Arya Stark

[vague sinew]

try fighting a half decent joker as garnet

same goes for arya

[azure scroll]

i mean yeah but you're taking the bottom and top of the tier lists and putting them against each other

garnet just SUCKS

that's the problem you face when you play a low tier

only thing we can hope for is a balance patch bringing other characters up to arya's level

[vague sinew]

characters at aryas level arent healthy for the game though..

imagine if every character had the same defining moves as top tiers

the game would just be unplayable

"buff everyone to top tier level" is very stupid sentiment

[azure scroll]

gutting the character isn't exactly a good move either, Arya will never be bad she's just too good at what the game engine of MVS promotes

there's always gonna be good and bad characters

it sucks but that's just how it is

[vague sinew]

my dude

youre just wrong

lmao

[azure scroll]

how am i wrong ?

what platform fighter is perfectly balanced to where every character is just as good as one another ?

[vague sinew]

none of them, but smash ultimate was remarkably close before dlc pack 2 released

multiversus is if every character in the top 10 was as broken as steve

[azure scroll]

smash's tier list is incredibly varied, and the meta game isn't warped around one character

check the top 100 right now, almost every character is represented INCLUDING garnet

recent top 8's at tournaments are incredibly diverse

[vague sinew]

incredible diversity consisting of Joker, Iron Giant, Gizmo, and Wonder Woman, yes

4 characters!

out of 28!

[vague sinew]

note the shocking majority of top 5 characters tho

[azure scroll]

harley, bugs, batman also have made recent appearances

there's always going to be better characters than others

but what i'm saying is it's not impossible to play a low tier

[vague sinew]

it really is

characters like garnet, velma, jason get completely suffocated by top tiers, you would never know because you never play them

[azure scroll]

Jason, Garnet, and Stripe are all considered low tier and are on the top 100 leaderboard

the matchups are hard yeah but it's perfectly possible to just player diff someone

[vague sinew]

guess where most of the top jason gets his losses from

morty and arya!

who would have guessed!

please shut up

dont say anything else

[azure scroll]

i mean sure, but you also don't get that high without beating them either

[vague sinew]

you already know youre wrong

[azure scroll]

i don't know why you're mad at me dude, i play the same game you do

[vague sinew]

youve said "i mean sure" then tried to change the subject like 30 times

youre just wrong

say it

[azure scroll]

how am i wrong at all ? by saying it's possible to win with a low tier when they have representation in the top 100 players on the leaderboard ?

[vague sinew]

you go against someone even close to your skill level playing a high tier you get stomped. you know this is what I meant from the start but you just kept going

[azure scroll]

like i get morty and arya being good sucks for you but it's entirely possible to just be the better player

[vague sinew]

your username says top tier enjoyer idk why im arguing with you

clearly a meta chaser

goodbye

[azure scroll]

i get you have to put a lot more work as a low tier sure but the skill gap between the top and bottom isn't so big that it's an instant loss

Hard but doable kinda vibe

maybe just get better at MVS

[vague sinew]

you say this to a top 10 garnet and you main arya

please man

shut up

[azure scroll]

yeah i do say that

[vague sinew]

you play a low tier for any longer than 30 seconds youd piss your pants and cry

[azure scroll]

mained jake for a while and won plenty of games like that

cuz of the player diff

i've played 90% of the roster at a good level i'm not unaware of the tier list

i'm sorry you chose to play a low tier character, i hope you get buffed i really do but just be better than your opponent and you'll win it's genuinely that simple

[vague sinew]

you main arya

idk how many times ive had to say this

i checked your ranked history and you consistently lose to STRIPE

thats embarrassing

[azure scroll]

i've played two stripes today and one i beat one i lost to

i can admit i don't know the matchup

[vague sinew]

i'll listen to your opinion when you can get your precious top tier out of master 5

all master 5 aryas are carried

[azure scroll]

still getting 30rp a win trust i'll be masters I tomorrow

[vague sinew]

oh you got DEMO'd from masters

thats even funnier

[azure scroll]

i never got demoted from masters ?

[vague sinew]

theres no way youre telling me skill issue when you're not even master as the easiest character in the game bro

[azure scroll]

i am masters i'm sitting on the home screen right now

[vague sinew]

misread this nvm

[azure scroll]

like my winrate is 73% overall i dunno why you're trying to insult my skill level

[vague sinew]

because you told me skill issue as an arya main

[azure scroll]

player difference is a real thing man i dunno what to tell you

like i'm sure you're goated at the game but tier lists aren't everything

[vague sinew]

the only reason you are not having the same problems I am is because you are an arya main

multiversus balancing genuinely is that bad

[azure scroll]

i dunno what you want me to do about it, i'm not a developer

i complain about MVS balance all the time

like daily

[silver lichen]

Why are you getting on this guy for playing Arya

Just let him play who he wants

You chose to play a trash character

[azure scroll]

they're not even top 10 they're top 20 peak diamond II i dunno why they bringing rank into this

[vague sinew]

i woulda let it slide if he didnt repeatedly downplay the character and tell me skill issue when i disagreed lol

[azure scroll]

i told you i agree that Arya is top 1 uncontested ?

[vague sinew]

because im not carried by my character and ranked is actually hard + 1v1s not having bo3 was painful for garnet mains

ask any garnet player

[silver lichen]

He didn’t downplay the character. He simply stated that you can see more success against top tier characters by learning the matchup. Is it hard? Yes. However, you chose to play the low tier. Why are you getting an ego over how much harder you have it? Nobody made you play a garbage character, bro. Idk maybe I’m misinterpreting, but you come off as incredibly condescending.

[azure scroll]

i've beaten top players in sets before, i'm a top 40 Arya which is neat because of how many there are and top 500 players overall on the board, I'm not carried by Arya i abuse her because she's good and I know how to play MVS

[vague sinew]

thats just another way to say carried

i was top 500 not long ago too, thats really not a flex

[vague sinew]

idk how im supposed to have a respectful conversation with someone who repeatedly says things that are blatantly wrong and dances around the point on purpose

[silver lichen]

I mean, I get why you’re frustrated, but he wasn’t being disrespectful to you.

[azure scroll]

didn't you just make fun of me because you thought I fell out of masters when i didn't ?

[silver lichen]

^

[azure scroll]

you're not top 500 anymore and i'm not jabbing you for it

[vague sinew]

this was after you told me it was a skill issue

no, the balancing

genuinely is

that bad

arya is genuinely

[azure scroll]

i never said the balancing of MVS was good

[vague sinew]

that strong

you did repeatedly downplay it

repeatedly

[azure scroll]

how ? in what way did I downplay the balancing ?

i personally don't think Arya is as overwhelming as prepatch WW and Joker since I know how to fight her

I've learned the matchup thoroughly and don't find it nearly as impossible as them, with or without playing Arya herself

[vague sinew]

garnet v finn after learning the matchup is positive for garnet, i'd say 60-40 garnets favor

im not saying matchups arent a thing

theyre just

so absurdly polarizing

especially against low tiers

garnet v joker

not winnable on an equal skill level

garnet v gizmo

not winnable if the gizmo camps all game

[azure scroll]

yeah but that's the price of playing a low tier, you're going to have more bad matchups than a top tier

[azure scroll]

that's why i'm saying you have to be the better player

because if you are you can win despite the egregious matchup

[vague sinew]

for characters like gizmo not even

you just have to know how to use popcorn and garnet v gizmo is unwinnable

she just cant get past the wall of music notes

[vague sinew]

and this goes for like

every character basically

you could be going against a potato on the sticks

picking a top tier

yeah its winnable but like

obviously

you know what i meant by unwinnable like the whole time

[azure scroll]

all i'm saying is it's winnable, i wasn't insulting your skill level i'm sure you're cracked

no match is impossible to win that's my point

is it incredibly difficult as a low tier, no duh

but not impossible

[vague sinew]

i would genuinely love to see you go against a gizmo spamming popcorn on dexters lab while playing garnet

its not winnable

trust me

gizmo by himself not abusing the most awful aspect of the character

not a problem for me most of the time

but

the moment the popcorn and music notes come out its over, he sets up his popcorn wall and sits behind it the game is just over

[azure scroll]

couldn't you just also camp and do your dance and force him to approach you that way ?

[vague sinew]

endlag on it is too high to avoid a punish from gizmo, he can inch closer with popcorn, keeping the wall up and hurling projectiles at you the whole time and punish you for trying

if it reflected it might be a different story but it doesnt, it bubbles em

[azure scroll]

listen man i'm not gonna try and give you advice on a matchup i don't know, my only point throughout all of this is that no matter who you play you can win I'm sure the number 1 garnet has gone against plenty of gizmos like that and found a way

i apologize if you felt like i insulted your skill level

[vague sinew]

they havent, I've asked

I know them

lol

[azure scroll]

then #nerfgizmo

[vague sinew]

we're not far off in terms of skill

[azure scroll]

i hate the rat anyways

character was my gateway into masters

[vague sinew]

nerf aryas killpower and shes in line with the rest of the cast

she shouldnt be killing garnet from mid stage at 100 off of a combo

garnet should usually be living to 120 at least

[azure scroll]

i dunno if it'll happen man, they have only buffed her so far besides the d-tilt nerf

and airwalker if you count that

i don't use it personally

[vague sinew]

airwalker was just broken across the board

too much crazy stuff you could do with it with every character it was viable on

[azure scroll]

a rick killed me at 15 earlier today off of airwalker

perk mad annoying

[gaunt garnet]

hey is there a video on face cancels

[azure scroll]

What do you mean face cancels ?

[twilit ingot]

I was thinking about making some points but after reading that argument, I'm just going to let it slide. I do believe aryas kit is amazing. I've played just about every patch since beta. I'm not a pro player, I'm just an arya enjoyer. I think anyone who gets to masters should be praised regardless of the character they use. You have to know the fundamentals to win with arya.

Also props koko on getting to masters.

[polar jetty]

Nah if u play u have something coming ur way and u skill less

I’m think u we’re trying to say that but auto correct be tripping sometimes

[twilit ingot]

This makes zero sense lol

[ancient crown]

@tropic willow Do you still play garnet?

[tropic willow]

Yes
Why asking tho

[ancient crown]

The only Garnet in our server wants to fight you. Would you be down to play?

They really want to face an actual good garnet

[tropic willow]

sure

i love to play some dittos

[ancient crown]

cool, I'll let them know. You definitely made their day

[ancient crown]

Should I dm you their ign name?

or do you want to join the server instead?

[tropic willow]

you can invite if you want

[ancient crown]

ok I'll let them know

[ancient crown]

are you in game right now?

[tropic willow]

just turned on

[ancient crown]

cool let me know

[tropic willow]

ok. in game

[ancient crown]

they've sent the invite

is the delay bad?

[tropic willow]

invite me to server. and tell him to put 3 stock

[ancient crown]

ok

[tropic willow]

worst than normal, but its playable for me
its intecontinental play probably so no wonder

[ancient crown]

oh ok

[grave mesa]

I love ult to death but it's really hard to say that's the case.
Pre FP2 still had Palu's old grab range.
And the Min-Min patch breathed a ton of new life into left behind characters like Bayo's up-tilt & up-b not dropping 60% of the time, and Ike not being dullest one trick Nair to win in the game.

[jovial delta]

that new arya skins is clean as hell

[azure scroll]

Real Arya gets spoiled with skins

[grave mesa]

Maybe playrate effects how much good skins you get.

[polar jetty]

All arya mains got something coming for them

[gaunt garnet]

like when arya use face steal then air dodge with air walker like in this vid

https://youtu.be/CFzG62oe7o0

2:55

[tiny sand]

What's better well rounded or trophy?

[azure scroll]

Really the only face cancel stuff you’ll ever do is jab 1, face steal, dash jab 1

Honestly I’m not sure if the air walker stuff still works after the nerfs

[azure scroll]

Well rounded and it’s not close imo

[grave mesa]

Maybe it's buffs. 👍

It would be nice if Arya got some more twos utility.
IDK but one hit of armor break, and an effect only she benefits from seems a lil sparse.

[azure scroll]

when her teammate dies the next hit she has applies 5 stacks of weakened at least

only character that can do that right now

[grave mesa]

Oh I thought that was a bug.

lol

[azure scroll]

the five stacks is but either way her applying weakened is supposed to happen

[grave mesa]

Like "Isn't the max 3 what happened?"

[grave mesa]

I see makes sense.

Make it could reworked into a sig perk.

Like have a kill list where the first player to knock out her teammate gets put on the top.

They get the max weakened stacks when hit and no one else.

I guess that would technically be a nerf. 🤔

[grave mesa]

I contradicted myself. 😦

[azure scroll]

i don't play 2s very often so i dunno how badly that would affect her

5% is the best perk for her imo tho

[gaunt garnet]

oof

thanks so much

[azure scroll]

The airwalker stuff still does work by the way I tested it

[gaunt garnet]

oh thats cool

[azure scroll]

Don’t want to lead you on a wrong path, but at this point air walker is optional for arya

[gaunt garnet]

can you link a good guide for the tech?

[azure scroll]

Arya doesn’t have a lot of tech in my experience, just a real good fundamentals character

I could def be wrong tho, have only played the character for about five days now

[gaunt garnet]

i've really enjoyed playing her

shes insane

[azure scroll]

Yeah she’s the best character in the game bar none in my opinion

[polar jetty]

No sht she’s like the best on the game

[winged rain]

No 1 D rider right here

Quit your crying

If you don't got anything to add actual value to the character or advice

Go to #game-feedback

We don't wanna hear it

[winged rain]

She can be a good support character in twos

You just gotta be careful against cheesy teams

Like ww and jack

[polar jetty]

Blud thinks I care

Cope bro

[winged rain]

You're literally the one coping in this chat

Seen nothing cry cry cry

Legit

All you've said is "you arya mains got something coming 🤓"

Like step outside lil bro there is a whole world out there

Instead of crying in here

We do not care

[polar jetty]

Shut up scum all Arya starks main suck cope lil bro

[winged rain]

Getting mad that someone called you out? Cry harder

Calling people scum over a video game

What a loser

[polar jetty]

Ain’t no one mad pipsqueak

[silver lichen]

Your weak ass rage bait finally worked

I’m so proud 🙏

You’re finally learning how to rage bait

But you’re still not #1

[silver lichen]

Read his name lmao

His whole purpose is to make people mad

It’s not worth arguing with him

[winged rain]

I'm not the one mad

I'm the one telling him he's mad

Cries all day

[azure scroll]

eh we play arya it's how it is

can't be upset about it

[winged rain]

You hit masters?

I know you said you hit diamond a while back

[azure scroll]

yeah, just beat Trihx (#4 Arya) in the ditto actually

Masters III right now, hoping to hit Masters I today

[whole willow]

not dair into platform jab

afaik upspecial platform jab and upspecial jump platform jab are the only platform follow ups

[azure scroll]

jab dair in general doesn't seem to be true in most cases

but i don't use airwalker so i dunno

[whole willow]

jab nspecial dodge cancel jab iad dair is true but frame perfect on light characters

but yeah jab dair not true anymore against most char at most % sadly

crazy how early on arya mains were crying about how much worse she is now compared to beta and shes only gotten nerfs so far and still top tier

[azure scroll]

the only nerf she really got was to d-tilt

unless you count the airwalker ones

but i never used it anyways

[azure scroll]

Masters I chat, the grind is over

[polar jetty]

I’ve been number pip-squeak

[tiny knoll]

Any advice on high level Batman’s, Morty’s, and Rick’s? Feel like atrocious MUs for Arya

[azure scroll]

d-tilt

[tiny knoll]

You’ll get parried if you do it too much

[azure scroll]

i mean yeah but none of them can outscrap you and they can't parry if you react to their projectiles with d-tilt

[tiny knoll]

Yeah that’s fair

[azure scroll]

keep an eye on morty paralyzer cool down, they almost always use it immediately

you can d-tilt through it and all your neutrals are faster than his

batman d-tilt through batarang then reset back to neutral you'll get hit from the back if you try to start a combo

rick d-tilt through lasers and meeseeks

[tiny knoll]

You’re right I’m not down tilting enough

[azure scroll]

it's a combo starter at earlier percents as well

move is just straight nuts

[tiny knoll]

Yeah if you hit em close enough the combo into f tilt yeah?

[azure scroll]

yeah, you can extend the combo percent range by dashing forward with jab

[tiny knoll]

Yeah true

I just want to escape diamond. Stuck at D2

D3 as of half an hour ago :/

[azure scroll]

also rick face steal is a stronger kill confirm on up-special DI in than u-air

i get it diamond was rough but you'll get outta there

[tiny knoll]

Losing 20+ RP to master 3s is BS

In diamond

[azure scroll]

yikes i never lost that much at any point

[tiny knoll]

Fr?

I just lost 23

Gaining 10-15

[polar jetty]

How u stuck a d2 and u play arya

Scum

That’s a big skill diff

[polar jetty]

Crazy thing to say 😭

[upper comet]

https://x.com/ytnibi/status/1821864584992448543?s=46

Lab goes crazy

[azure scroll]

I simply cannot trust any combo that has a knife at the start 😔🙏

[upper comet]

You can use the last part of airwalker tho

It kills

I’ve killed a few people with airwalker doing that

[azure scroll]

I don’t run air walker personally

But good to know nevertheless

[upper comet]

As far as I know not true but

https://x.com/ytnibi/status/1821941976687681550?s=46

You could absolutely try it

[azure scroll]

Triple dash attack is devious work

I don’t even think dash attack to dash attack is true

[upper comet]

Susprisingly enough I got it consistently

[azure scroll]

yeah i tried it on all di on the cpu and couldn't get it

dash attack d-tilt dash jab 1 is a good early percent combo tho

[upper comet]

Yeah I did put it on dodge after hitstun

And there is for some reason you can hit a dash attack with Arya

One is her be able to hit it 2 times

And one is 1

[winged rain]

Yeah especially when the bot Di into the third dash attack

[strong wave]

As someone starting learn Arya I have a question: what times should I be trying to land jab to confirm into combos. I know that's and important part to her, but it's a feel kind of stubby in some matches it feel a bit futile to try.

[gaunt garnet]

so what is the tech shown in this vid at 2:55 anyway

https://youtu.be/CFzG62oe7o0

[azure scroll]

basically always, you can always confirm into jab using things like d-tilt at lower percents

Arya is a bait and punish character so if you try to approach with jab that's when it feels its worst

[azure scroll]

a face steal cancel is just doing an action out of the face steal animation to confirm into jab, timing is tight tho I wouldn't even consider it tech just something you can do to extend combos

[gaunt garnet]

oh okay

thanks i was wondering why i could not do it

[azure scroll]

it's alright i still haven't gotten it down perfectly, it gets harder at higher percents

if you're in a matchup where the face steal isn't super beneficial i only do it at early percents to wrack up damage

[narrow crypt]

Why is Ayra played like a zoner? Genuine question.

[azure scroll]

Aryas best approach option is her d-tilt, other than that her kit is built around baiting and punishing the opponent

[silver lichen]

Yeah

[narrow crypt]

I feel like it shouldn't be a "tag you're it" thing where I have to either chase her or wait her out.

Give her some changes so she can approach maybe.

[azure scroll]

Approaching just straight up sucks in general

All the best characters right now either don’t have to approach or just straight up skip neutral

It’s just what the new MVS engine encourages

[azure scroll]

Even if they did give her more approach tools her best play style would still be to wait around until an opening happens, it’s just how she’s built

[narrow crypt]

That sucks.

[winged rain]

Yeah it's annoying

[winged rain]

Hey do you wanna join Aryacord?

More arya mains are active there

[azure scroll]

I think I joined the one you’re talking about earlier today

Just haven’t said a word

[winged rain]

Oh

You have

[daring trail]

Looking for good Arya to spar

[turbid crystal]

Alright Arya mains, what do you all think is Arya's best and worst move, and why do you think that specific move is her best or worst?

[azure scroll]

Her best move is probably up-b honestly, it's her best anti-air sets up into kills real nice is a good edgeguard and recovery tool decent range at that

[azure scroll]

her worst is jab 2, no reason to click that button literally ever

[turbid crystal]

Interesting

[tiny knoll]

Got master today so stfu

@azure scroll advice helped me homie thank you

[polar jetty]

Bros happy about getting masters with arya lol

[tiny knoll]

Work 40 hours a week and have a social life and then we will talk

[polar jetty]

Like girls than we can talk

[winged rain]

best move is either up speical or Jab 1

worst move is either jab 2 or side speical while the dagger is on charge

[azure scroll]

my goat 😔 🙏

[grave mesa]

Cooldown side-b is clutch in the Steven MU.

Jab 2 honestly feels like it was added to hold her back.

[remote nymph]

I love the cyber Arya skin so much, I'm determined to learn her. Being new to Ayra, are there any simple combos to start out with or videos on how to play her?

[azure scroll]

Jab up b will carry you really far, jab in general is your best combo starter and can really combo into whatever you’d like, but I’d start with jab up b and then sair/uair depending on DI

[manic eagle]

join the aryacord, really helpful people there

[olive otter]

Honorable mention: fair/sair (full charge)

Best move: up special and jab 1

Worst move: jab 2 and side b 2 (spinning move; during dagger charge)

Also yo arya mains, who's down to do double arya with me in the next wild card tournament?

[winged rain]

I mean I'd be down

When is it

Also note two aryas can get cheesed easily

It's why you don't see many dou aryas

[jovial delta]

inv me bro

[manic eagle]

check dms

[jovial delta]

anyone be using jab up special up special? it can kill hella early but im havin hella trouble getting it consistently

[manic eagle]

i jump then dodge down immediately after the first up special then up special again, then uair

it works 70% of the time but its janky with some characters

[jovial delta]

ok cause i always end up a little to far left or right

idk its hella jank

would be broken if it was consistent tho

[manic eagle]

try doing it in labs, its gets easier after practice

[whole willow]

is it true? i feel like u can dodge out of it

[jovial delta]

I dont think so

I can only hit it every now and then but thats only when im constantly going for it

Its hella satisfying to land tho

[nocturne spire]

Can anyone tell me why I’m a silver one facing diamond 3

[whole willow]

im master 1 i go against golds all the time 🙏

[jovial ether]

everyone of yall play the exact same btw

[calm lily]

does anything true combo into down special?

[molten viper]

jab, down special on bad DI and if you hit jab close

[winged rain]

Ain't no one asked bro

If every arya plays the same you should have no issue beating them

[jovial ether]

aint no one asked you to respond either

[winged rain]

Weak response

[jovial ether]

and yours wasnt?

[winged rain]

Again

Weak response

[jovial ether]

again

and yours wasnt?

[winged rain]

Bro is just copying way I'm saying at this point

[winged rain]

Depends on the character

[jovial ether]

not copying. it was a genuine question. but ight

dw about it

[winged rain]

Characters like buggs gizmo and a few others I can't think of it'll work

[jovial ether]

gizmo is annoying to fight against but i feel like its his character size

[winged rain]

Mostly and his strong attacks for his size

[jovial ether]

he does indeed have strong attacks

[winged rain]

And also a lot of projectiles and that stupid car

[manic eagle]

airwalker my beloved

[calm lily]

it never works in the lab tho

[winged rain]

It does

Do you dodge jab

List of characters down special combos will work on:

Agent smith 🚫
Arya ✅️
Banana guard 🚫
Batman ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Black Adam 🚫
Buggs bunny ✅️✅️ works best with him
Finn ✅️
Garnet ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Gizmo ✅️
Harley ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Iron giant ✅️
Jake ✅️
Jason 🚫
LeBron James 🚫
Marvin ✅️
Morty ✅️
Reindog 🚫
Rick ✅️
Samurai jack ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Shaggy 🚫
Steven ✅️
Stripe ✅️
Superman 🚫
Taz ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Joker ✅️/🚫 sometimes works
Tom and Jerry ✅️
Velma ✅️
Wonder woman ✅️/🚫 sometimes works

This was a list I made a while ago

[manic eagle]

make one with the up special tech

🙂

[winged rain]

Sure

[calm lily]

I only tried it on shaggy tbh

[winged rain]

Try it on buggs

[calm lily]

it works once every 5 times

[winged rain]

depends on how close you are

if you do dodge jab after face steal you'll be close enough to hit it

its more of a show off thing than a useful thing yk

[calm lily]

I start with it

I have to be kissing them for it to work and it still falls

[leaden atlas]

what’s aryas worst match up

[upper comet]

Please stop spamming down tilt 😭

[manic eagle]

gizmo probably

[manic eagle]

No

[west light]

As a mediocre Arya (#~400, plat 5), Jack is by far my worst matchup. Might just be a me problem though.

His jab is like 3x the length of Arya's and just as fast.

[winged rain]

Womp womp

[winged rain]

TJ

Coming from a diamond 3 arya

[azure scroll]

Harley imo

[leaden atlas]

too many mixed opinions here

[azure scroll]

It depends on play style I think the most

[whole willow]

If you run platform, jack's hitbox is big enough to almost guarantee a platform combo off a jab

I don't think I ever struggle against a jack

[west light]

I've just started using airwalker so I'm not that consistent with it yet. That may help some, because my biggest problem is probably that I'm dying to jack at much lower percentages than he is to me.

[winged rain]

Harley is easy 😭

They're so brain dead

Expect few Harleys who know how to play the game

[winged rain]

Foe the grounded side special you can jump

Mostly how Jack gets you is with his edge guard

I usually recover low then try to bait out his Dair

And get back on

Or up special in the ground

[west light]

Yeah, I take the same general approach, but sometimes I just space it or time it wrong and then off the map I go at like 50%. Just a skill issue honestly. 🙂

[winged rain]

That's the downside of arya no one wants to say

She has weaknesses

But alas people just see broken things and say nerf her into the ground

And our fate has been sealed

The great nerf is coming my fellow Aryas

[polar jetty]

Yup

[manic eagle]

dont fall off the edge, get out of the way when he does raged side special, dodge side special, bind neutral dodge to a specific button to make airwalker easier

[strong wave]

How do you do Arya's charged face steal move (she does an aoe stun before turning into the other character)?

People says it's been removed, but I've run into cases where I swear I see another Arya in a match doing it.

[ancient crown]

You can only do it when you steal Arya's face

[winged rain]

I really don't think it should've been taken out tbh

The stun isn't long enough to do anything insane

And it's more of a thing you just read

Can't use it in combos because it's too slow

[wispy talon]

Looks like someone fought a camping Arya 😂

[winged rain]

And?

Ifs almost like she isn't the most broken character in the game 😲

It's almost like

Even if they are playing a top 3 character

They still lose

😲

[strong wave]

Like, It's kind of the only way Arya can fight sometimes, especially if the opponent is passive themselves.

[manic eagle]

looks like someone got dogged on by an arya

sometimes it's better to appreciate someone's skill rather than complain

[polar jetty]

All arya mains are scum and are skillless

[tropic willow]

I appreciate skills of people that can reach master with things like Adam, stripe even Superman, ect.

Not selfplaying character

[manic eagle]

arya has been (almost) the same since game launch, now because every overpowered character got nerfed she's all of a sudden self playing?, I don't see anyone saying the she's self playing before their own character got nerfed.

look man maybe you're coping because your characters match up with arya is absurd but she's been the absolute same since launch

I admit she's one of the top 3 but if every top 3 character was nerfed everyone would be weak

also I've never seen you give an actual reason as to why arya is op

[manic eagle]

#1 ragebaiter

[tropic willow]

I was saying from the begining that she is broken

The only things that was covering it was joker and ig broken beyond imaginations

Problem is when they nerfed joker and ig in 2 patches
Arya did get ZERO nerfs expect dtilt nerf in last hotfix

[manic eagle]

airwalker got nerfed which is arguably one of her best perks

that and her dtilt which you mentioned

but whats specifically broken about her?

genuine question

[calm lily]

little to no whiff on all her moves, falls out of true combos for no reason - this includes falling out of shaggy's second jab, she has a true zero to death, her sair does too much knockback, her up special has too much hitstun

[gaunt kite]

Not to count hrr down attack that is just the best aproach/neutral option in the game

[manic eagle]

only way you can get up special'd is if you get jabbed, which you literally have to be kissing the opponent to land. also, im pretty sure some/most of the characters have 0td's too but i get your point

also yeah sair does alot of kb

[tropic willow]

Ye
But her dodge is kinda long and jab is literaly fastest jab or even move in the game, having 8 frames of start up. And even ofnyou miss you doesn't have whiff on it

[gaunt kite]

Arya mains downplay their character so much jeez

Like dont u get that ur character is op

I mean u do u just dont want to assume

[winged rain]

It's not even that fast

[winged rain]

They literally said arya is top 3

No one is saying she's not broken

[silver lichen]

Morty players downplay more than Arya players ngl

[winged rain]

Fr

"Well they nerfed my character and he's bad now so erm I'm skilled 🤓 "

Biggest cope I've seen

At least arya mains are self aware

[winged rain]

10 frames and ofc it's a JAB

No character has whiff punishment on jab expect garnet

And that's cause it's a multi hit jab

[gaunt kite]

But they are trying to make it sound like Arya is "not that bad" yes she is lol

[winged rain]

Didn't say that just made a point people didn't say arya was a play for you character till characters like buggs wonder woman and banana guard got nerfed

If you wanna be like this guy and say every arya in masters is skilless

Then look at people like Trihx

Or people like sveet

Zign

People who are skilled at the game

And want to just say people are skillless because they play character that you decide is OP

She's top 3 but that doesn't make from the players who are skilled

More so than a lot of players in this community

[ancient crown]

I just like cool combos

I don't play enough to be considered skilled

[winged rain]

70% of multiversus players don't even know how to combo

Lmao

[ancient crown]

True

Arya definitely needs nerfs everyone pretty much knows that

[winged rain]

No one is denying that but saying anyone with a masters rank as arya is skillless is purely stupid it's still a grind for masters and any skilled player has no issue with arya

[ancient crown]

Yeah that's pretty stupid

[winged rain]

Look at the last frostverse on 1s and 2s and no arya placed top 8

[tropic willow]

I played sveet in my life more time than i need.
I talked with him a lot.

Even he knows that arya will get nerfs

[winged rain]

I never said arya doesn't need nerfs

Literally never said that

I'm saying you can't call people skill less because they play arya and you don't like her

[tropic willow]

Im not calling arya skilless bcs i don't like her

I call her not hard bcs she is unpunishable and slips out of every dammed combo and string and punishing you for it.

And hitting her is hard enough
Bcs why should she have whiff times

[winged rain]

"I appreciate skills of people that can reach master with things like Adam, stripe even Superman, ect.

Not selfplaying character"

Basically denying any skill arya mains in masters would have

[rancid rock]

arya gaming

[gaunt kite]

I know what he means, The character itself takes skill but her moves in general dont

Her combos and etc take skill

[winged rain]

Yes

She has broken moves

[gaunt kite]

But whats the point when a bad Arya can just use her entire kit and dont get punished

[winged rain]

But there is a clear line between a arya who heard she's broken and a arya who is skilled with her

[rancid rock]

a bad arya is definitely punishable

metahoppers

if they've got good fundies though yeah you're in for a bad time

like if they're top ranked on another char well yeah they clearly will know what they're doing

[gaunt kite]

• most of the aryas in masters rn are just those type of people that only play the top character

[winged rain]

But honestly I want her to get nerfed

[ancient crown]

Likewise

[winged rain]

So I can stop being told I'm scum for playing her

[rancid rock]

beta arya was the perfect level of mid

[winged rain]

Even though I've been playing arya since people thought she was A tier

[rancid rock]

fr im a day one arya

i just liked the show 😭

[winged rain]

I just liked her kit

Felt like Marth

[ancient crown]

Same but I've never watched the show

[winged rain]

💀

[wary burrow]

Me too lol

[ancient crown]

XD

[rancid rock]

metahopper confirmed

get em boys

[ancient crown]

I just like her combo game

And design

[rancid rock]

and now she's got the sickest skin in the game

[ancient crown]

She's the most assassin looking character in the game

So I just had to main her

Her combo game made me stay though

[winged rain]

I miss stealing taunts

Bring it back

[ancient crown]

Yeah

PFG's biggest L was taking that away

If they made it a sig I would definitely use it

[rancid rock]

100%

i forget- what was the old binding?

[ancient crown]

Just neutral special

You had to use neutral attack to actually use the face

[rancid rock]

ohhh the stolen move was always neutral attack

hm

how could they bring it back

because i DO want the stolen moves

[ancient crown]

Neutral special+ taunt

[rancid rock]

ah ok so it wouldnt actually do the stun

just for funsies

[ancient crown]

Yeah

[rancid rock]

lmao so a better version of troll tactics

[ancient crown]

I'd be fine with that

[rancid rock]

id be down as well

[ancient crown]

XD

[rancid rock]

idgaf about the 5%

[ancient crown]

Same

[rancid rock]

i wanna style on these mfs

[ancient crown]

It's boring af

Trophy is also useless

[rancid rock]

if jab facesteal jab didnt exist it would be more useful

we'd all prob run it

[ancient crown]

The only good perk is the knife but that's locked to 2s

[rancid rock]

yeah shame

[ancient crown]

Arya really lacks sigs T-T

[ancient crown]

Probably not

Trophy was mainly good because you could stun

[rancid rock]

https://x.com/neffability/status/1806035626363683134

i let them know

[winged rain]

Her sig perks are so useless

Why would I need a face after someone dies? I can just face copy if I need it

And her dagger one

Don't even get me started on that

[ancient crown]

It's broken rn

[rancid rock]

if our combo routes didnt use facesteal within them, it would be helpful to have it already stolen for like bugs for example

[ancient crown]

Probably

But that's so conditional

[rancid rock]

i used to always run trophy

[ancient crown]

Some characters faces are just terrible

[rancid rock]

yeah if they are i would just not use it

5% time

[ancient crown]

XD

I'm gonna run trophy for the memes

[rancid rock]

might as well run troll tactics too

bring the fun back to mvs

[ancient crown]

Exactly

[tropic willow]

Even morties and joker players are not called by that

Bcs arya not only is broken, but she have the most frustrating to play against gameplay.

You literaly running and camping to find perfect opener, combo for 42 with true combo you can't do anything about, run on the other side of the stage and repeat.

Its so borring to play against. You know what arya will do, but thanks to her broken frame data you can't do anything about it

[ancient crown]

That does sound pretty sickening ngl

Not everyone plays like that, but optimally she's played like that

And I hate it too

That's why I don't play optimally

[tropic willow]

I respect aryas who can approche, who can actualy do first move.

But no
She will iframe over my move, hit me after that Iframe and combo me from it

[ancient crown]

Likewise

Aggressive Arya's are pretty rare since she doesn't really get rewarded for approaching

[tropic willow]

For me its just terrible design

Design character that apperently is assassin, looks like assassin, but play like absolute scared chicken

[ancient crown]

XD

Maybe she's an assassin chicken, who knows?

[tropic willow]

Who knows

[winged rain]

Also you're playing a tank

Who most garnets will bait out down tilt and go jab

Best option with that is to wait for garnet to approach and then punish for it

Easier to combo garnet cause she's so big

Like super man or jasonb

But garnet kills arya earlier

[tropic willow]

1. She bruiser
2. Jab have more start up then you have whiff on any move

I kill her early, that's right, but i can't build up damage bcs she so hard to punish

My only option is to go for shielded nlight that have shield after sec, and pray for her to be so stupid to go with roll vs me after roc gauntlet.

[winged rain]

Yeah but you're basically asking why doesn't the lightest fastest character just stand still and take my damage

[tropic willow]

She can be faster. I don't care. I just want her to actualy be punishable when she whiffing 50% of her moves

[twilit ingot]

People complaining about arya playing passive in a game that promotes it. Sure it's fun to approach with arya but you are not going to win as much playing that way.

[grave mesa]

Like I get she's fast, but she can run just as a quick backwards as she can forwards.
When you die in two or so mistakes playing aggro with that kind of movement is kind of choosing to die until you're very comfortable with her.

[polar jetty]

The problem is that ur playing passive and she’s the quickest in the game and has 0 whiff lag

[tropic willow]

Yes she have like 3 combos
But are so good and versitile that why you should have more??

Bad damage xDDDDDDDDDDDD
42 damage
One combo, 2-3 combos you dead
Bad range:
Roll is savest punish/approch tool in the game that you can combo from it

X D

W will not continue arguing
And will wait for 20 for nerfs

[grave mesa]

Fast character.
Good combos, & kill confirms
Good frame data.
Glass cannon means her main weakness only shows up when you make a mistake instead of something you have to wrestle with constantly.
You know the vibes.

Fox in Melee.

Akuma in Street Fighter.

Zero in Marvel vs Capcom 3.

All unique in their own ways, but all share the same goal of "really broken until you get hit"

Arya's simply Multiversus take on that age old fighting game trend.

And like them she tends to be one of the better characters in the game by default.

Yeah that's why I pick Arya.

🧠

[tropic willow]

If only she did not have lowest whiff times in the game

[grave mesa]

[tropic willow]

Who have lowest then? In your opinion

Do you even know what whiff time mean?

What?

What it means

You said bad definition
So now tell me
What whiff time means

X D

I just want to say
Tom have decently long whiff times on moves

He is strong
But that's not his problem

Im just gtfo there

You cant argue with stupid person, that person will just defeat you with experience on this level of conversation

[winged rain]

Womp womp frosstea we don't wanna hear your little temper tantrum

You Said you wouldn't be in here complaining if they added whiff punishment to down tilt

Yet here you are

Crying more

[tropic willow]

Womp womp
Nerf in 4 days

[winged rain]

Womp womp no one asked

[polar jetty]

Bro might be the #2 rage baiter … what’s ur rank lil bro

Bro legit doesn’t know what whiff punishing is lol

What’s ur rank

Change ur name and it will be official

What’s ur highest character

With who

[winged rain]

It's arya isn't it

[vital shard]

Bro Arya is broken 💀💀

#clips message

Look what someone did in a tournament

3 0 to deaths

How did this character upspecial go unnoticed like this?

[tropic willow]

thats my friend btw
xD

broken ahh character

[vital shard]

Bro imma spread this around

I didn’t even think Arya was THAT broken until now

But she definitely was cheesy for sure

But this combo is ridiculous

Mid season they need to fix a lot of stuff

[tropic willow]

Its like an 6 ToD they discovered in livespan of this character

She is fundamentaly broken

[whole willow]

hahahaha this is fckn insane

not even that hard to input

from my testing and with my perks its only true from 0 against anyone lighter than batman

[vital shard]

So basically midweight and lower

Being able to true zero to deaths midweights> is beyond broken

[vital shard]

This zero to death nerf will also be bad for arya

Since this is recent the are only gonna nerf up special hitstun

[whole willow]

basically, which is kinda insane cus the heavier characters u have access to easier gc combos so it doesnt rly matter

[vital shard]

And you know what that means:
hold sair
Airwalker without jump
Jump read nair
These are all at risk

[whole willow]

fair and balanced character

[vital shard]

Yea with airwalker right? This character is actually insane

[whole willow]

they dont necessarily have to nerf upspecial hitstun, they could maybe delay the window u can dodge cancel out of it. although i do think upspecial hitstun is a little too long

[vital shard]

What about dodge up - upair

Wait is upspecial sair 100% true?

[whole willow]

fair but tbh i dont think that its thattt broken

[whole willow]

yeah, sometimes u have to charge a bit to let them drop if theyre light

[vital shard]

Can kill so early ngl if your close

[whole willow]

yep lmao sair is stupidly busted

[vital shard]

Oh then dodge cancel is probably the right choice

[whole willow]

to the point upair tbh is not that great of an option unless ure really really close to the ceiling

[vital shard]

But ngl people had enough of Arya and this is just the cherry on top

[whole willow]

for sure hahahahahahahaha

[vital shard]

I wouldn’t be surprised if she did get that up special hitstun nerf

[whole willow]

me neither im almost certain they'll nerf it a little next patch

tbh i dont mind as long as shes still a bit playable and she still has some of her combos just with less killpower

[vital shard]

Yea

[whole willow]

i want arya to be more of an honest character yk hahahaha

[vital shard]

I also don’t think she should be able to hold sair for that long

[vital shard]

atp she’s just a cheat character.

[whole willow]

and her new tod doesnt help it at all 😭

[vital shard]

The dude in that clip still had balls to salt

[whole willow]

yeah thats crazy

[vital shard]

Zero to death that’s you can’t get out of and you’re still being toxic, nah bruh you’re cheating 💀

[whole willow]

😂😂😂

nah thats actually wild tho salted in a tourney while abusing a 0 to death is too funny

[vital shard]

And it’s so weird how far sair goes. I saw this the other day #clips message

[whole willow]

😂

yeah theres no way in hell thats staying in the next patch hahahahhahaha

[vital shard]

Yea upspecial hold sair gotta to go. This one the only way they gonna nerf:
• Endlag up special so you can’t charge that long
• knockback sair reduced
• upspecial hitstun nerf

I don’t see how else they gonna do it

[whole willow]

honestly thats a decent prediction

i could maybe see dlight coming out a bit later or just be slower to make it easier to react to

[tropic willow]

Mickey mouse character

[vital shard]

💀 number 1 hater

And I can’t blame you

[manic eagle]

arya worst character prove me wrong

[vital shard]

Bro it’s enough

This is new level of downplaying not even Finn mains can replicate

[manic eagle]

we need more D1 haters in the arya channel 🔥

[vital shard]

Arya mains have been quiet since the zero to death

They know they are cooked

[hoary scaffold]

yeah it took me an hour to learn and 3 matches before I could start landing it 10% of the time. In a few weeks it would be demonic.

I feel like good a nerf would be repeat move lockout window increase so you couldn't do the double upspecial but she would still have some of her cool dair platform resets. add 6 frames of lag to dtilt so it doesn't play the game for you.

[verbal kite]

Every move in this game needs a bigger lockout window between the same attacks

[gaunt kite]

Or maybe add more end lag to 80% of her kit

[verbal kite]

No move should be able to true combo into itself

Expect things like sair1-sair2 and jab1-2-3

[gaunt kite]

Cuz everything she has is unpunishable af

[twilit ingot]

She doesn't have the least amount of whiff frames in the game. She has clear punish windows. She doesn't even have a move that she can cancel out of. If you want to get mad at characters that have moves with no punish, look at samauri jack, ig, superman or batman. She does need to have dodge and jump locked out some frames after upspecial. But but her down tilt already has over 20 frames of whiff punish, same with dash attack. Her best approach tools are very punishable. That's why she plays so passive and goes for jab whiff punishes so often

[hoary scaffold]

i don't agree with that. I feel like she gets punished on par with the rest of the cast. save for finn and jack who have moves that create a bubble around them that don't let you play the game

she lacks range as well so it's really hard to get in on people. I think if you just took out TOD nonsense then she is a pretty balanced character

[gaunt kite]

U saying that as if down attack what not a thing lol

Side special

Etc

Down special too

Amazing aproach tool

[tropic willow]

jab is literaly unpunishable
same for lunge

[gaunt kite]

And insane range

[tropic willow]

it have like 4 frames of whiff

[gaunt kite]

Fr

[gaunt kite]

Only Arya mains can deffend Arya

[tropic willow]

of course

some will defend that you can 3 stock someone 3 times with one tod combo

xD

[twilit ingot]

We defend what's false and there is a lot of misinformation spread. She definitely has broken 0 to death combos, but getting mad at a pure melee character that's light for having good melee is a weird take

[gaunt kite]

Im fine with she having good tools, not broken and unpunishable onrs

[twilit ingot]

What you want tnj, morty, and Marvin to have range and then have a better close up game than arya? Why don't we just delete the character then?

[tropic willow]

up b having 2 hour stun time is not good melee

[gaunt kite]

Lil bro is acting like Arya is not the top 1 character rn 😭🙏

She was considered top 1 even before the 0 to death was discovered

[twilit ingot]

The hit stun is fine but it needs frames before dodge or jump to stop the double up special

[gaunt kite]

No its not

U can charge an entire move

[twilit ingot]

Like i said people spread false information. Sair can't not be fully charged. It can get a little less than half

[gaunt kite]

The hitstun still insane

She should not charge it at all

Lol

[twilit ingot]

That's fine if you think that but don't lie

[vital shard]

Nevermind I misread

[gaunt kite]

Bro why cant i reply to you

[vital shard]

Cause I deleted the message

[gaunt kite]

Ohh ok

[tropic willow]

YOU CAN CHARGE MOVE TO HALF ON THIS HIT STUN. HOW IS THAT OK

[vital shard]

Stripes double dair gone?

[tropic willow]

charge moves are literaly balanced around this that they are more riscy bcs enamy see you charging it

but no
you can charge it to half on fcking hitstun in combo

[gaunt kite]

If Arya mains tried other characters they would see what "punishable moves" are

[vital shard]

Balanced character 😭😭😭 Mf this character is a cheat

Without her zero to deaths she is still a cheat character

[tropic willow]

the only character that is close in bulshitt in this game is joker
but he at least is a bit fun to play against

[vital shard]

If you wanna exploit play Arya

[vital shard]

What’s your opinion on upspecial hold sair knock back 😭
#clips message

[twilit ingot]

Well you could di the other way and then never be hit by the sair. So there is counter play. If you played the beta as arya you would know the move use to mostly always combo into upair, people didn't like that so they let people di. However for one patch they didn't add hit stun so everyone could just di out. The move needed more it stun to let people di but to also give arya the ability to follow up. So now arya has to read the opponent. If she reads correctly they are going to the side she can charge it to less than half

[tropic willow]

you just said above that its above half bro

[twilit ingot]

This is more of an issue with the map than the move. The blast zone is crazy close, tons of bs happening on this stage

[tropic willow]

Nah bro

you should get special role on the server

[twilit ingot]

I said less than half.

[tropic willow]

T H E
gasligher

[polar jetty]

Arya mains trying to defend there character is honestly hilarious

[twilit ingot]

Well that's what you are doing right now which isn't cool

[tropic willow]

its amusement and rage fuel at the same time

[vital shard]

Even so it shouldn’t go that far

[tropic willow]

and like i said

broken characters was always in these game

superman in beta was broken
joker was and is broken

but you have at least some fun playing vs them
fighting good player on superman was like an anime fight.

but no
arya is beyond broken AND have the most toxic playstyle in the entire game

[vital shard]

Especially starting at 40 aswell

[tropic willow]

thats why everyone comming there to complain

she is just turbo frustrating to play against
you cant combo her, you cant punish her, she randomly kills you in 2 combos from fastest jab in the game

[twilit ingot]

She dies super early and lag makes her literally unplayable

[vital shard]

💀

[tropic willow]

XDDDDDDDDD

i cant bro

[vital shard]

Everything he said is that all you got

Bro ur cooked

You even know it

If lag is the reason why Arya is not OP* please stop

[tropic willow]

find comedy club
you will earn good money as comedian

[twilit ingot]

I'm just saying the truth. I've already responded to most of those complaints earlier. Why go in a circle

[tropic willow]

nah
im just gonna dip out
it's pointless to talk with someone so out of touch

[vital shard]

So you argument is basically Arya is a low weight and she can’t do anything with lag.

Gizmo is a low weight and he can’t do anything with lag

Dude ur a cap

[vital shard]

Hé needs to go to the pharmacy for his prescription 🤦‍♂️

[twilit ingot]

I had other stuff earlier. She has whiff frames on most of her approach tools, she can't cancel out any move, she light and dies early. Her walk speed is average. What else you want? The good? Her jab range is ok but the frame data is nuts, she has strong combos and a broken zero to death.

Look at the very least I didn't lie or insult yall. But sure act like yall are being the bigger person and walk away

[polar jetty]

Bro no way u jsut said that bro yall arya players are different

Bro said her walk speed is average like what are u yapping about

[winged rain]

Well hopefully after these mid seasons and they nerf arya into the ground they'll balance her out in season 3

This would be a perfect moment for that napoleon bonaparte meme gif

[winged rain]

You don't know what gas lighting means

And it shows

[twilit ingot]

Yeah I really don't mind if the nerf her.

Yeah my comment that said less than half charge was unedited and he said I was the gaslighted. Kinda wild

[winged rain]

There isn't no sense in arguing with frostea and rage baiter

Both are D1 arya haters

They cry daily in here

Demo is a pretty chill guy though

[twilit ingot]

I mean I get it. People get passionate.

[winged rain]

Nah they just riding at this point

[twilit ingot]

Maybe but I'm just going to stick to defending the lies that go against this character. There are definitely broken things on her but people keep targeting the wrong things. I also don't think people understand how busted projectiles are in a game where there is no shield and having ridiculous melee characters is the only way to make it balanced.

[vital shard]

Damn thanks 😎. I never really had a major problem with Arya until her ztd

Obviously I knew she was good but after that Im also jumping on the hate train 😭

[twilit ingot]

That's fair. I thought she was balanced before the 0 to death too. But I have to wonder how many high level aryas are abusing it and bloating her win rate up right now

[vital shard]

Nah but she definitely was not balanced let’s be real

Top tiers can never be called balanced

[twilit ingot]

I think by saying someone is top tier you are by definition saying it's not balanced, but realistically it depends on the gap and how game breaking those gaps are

It's not like Arya is Ivan ooze or something.

[vital shard]

Gap is huge. Balanced is more like Close B

Arya is definitely S just what pros rank her to

[twilit ingot]

Naw without the zero to death she doesn't have anything game breaking

[tropic willow]

im literaly in master 1 xD

[winged rain]

Not a ranked thing

[verbal kite]

imagine thinking arya isn't overpowered

💀 💀 💀

[winged rain]

Ain't no one saying that

[vital shard]

Yea but balanced contradicts overpowered

[twilit ingot]

I'm saying that she would be not broken without the 0 to death. She does have aspects that make her more fair than people thing

[verbal kite]

you're blind if that's your actual opinion

[winged rain]

I'm saying hopefully she will be by season 3

[vital shard]

Top tiers are either overtuned or broken

[twilit ingot]

Shed still be good with out the zero to death. She isn't going to be on the bottom half unless the do neuter her upspecial hit stun or neuter sair knockback.

[verbal kite]

she wouldn't be good

she would be too good

[winged rain]

I hate the tech because it'll result in over nerfs for her

[twilit ingot]

Yep get ready for it. It happened in beta. She's going to have another garbage patch again probably

[vital shard]

Ngl I hope it is upspecial hitstun nerf and not just dodge cancel window nerf

[winged rain]

I don't care for the nerfs as long as they don't nerf her jab hitstun

[twilit ingot]

Jab hit stun already makes it near impossible to do a jump dair after. But wouldn't be surprised if they give frames before jumping after a jab to multiple Characters, not just arya

[verbal kite]

i hope every move on every character gets a longer lockout before using the same move

that would fix so many things 💀

[twilit ingot]

It's not the same move that's the problem, upspecial has a ton of lock out frames before upspecial, it's the fact that jump and dodge reset it

Unless you literally make it so that moves have a window that can't be shortened by a jump or dodge then nothing changes

[verbal kite]

well you can make it so the lockout stays even if you dodge and input the same move

so you can cancel a move with a dodge into a different move

[twilit ingot]

I would be fine with that change. It honestly would be the most fair fix

It wouldn't fix all the loops in the game but it would fix quite a few.

[verbal kite]

Yes

and it would fix things like stripe dair into dair

which i am abusing right now

[vital shard]

Stripe dair 2x😳

[verbal kite]

do you really think that's normal

[vital shard]

OMG thank youuu

[verbal kite]

just do another uptilt

[vital shard]

The only stripe main who agrees with me

[verbal kite]

dair into dair is stoopid

[vital shard]

I think it’s wayy to good aswell

[vital shard]

You can literally loop it twice aswell 🤦‍♂️ #clips message

[verbal kite]

i know

and i jsut got hit by 3 true joker dair

[vital shard]

Im abusing it hard rn too

[verbal kite]

with a dodge cancel in between each

why is that in the game

[vital shard]

But why the hell can you do joker dair into dair anyways

[verbal kite]

imagine playing bralwhalla and some guy does a true combo with 3 sword down airs in a row

[vital shard]

Should have been nerfed

[vital shard]

That’s what I like about brawlhalla, no long true combos or the ones that require one move

[verbal kite]

yep

[vital shard]

I kinda wish mvs was a 4 hit combos max game would fix majority of the problems.

[verbal kite]

yep

and less ladders

[vital shard]

There’s no reason for character to do 7+ hit combos

[vital shard]

Yea exactly

[verbal kite]

absolutely

they should also scale the knockback of some moves according to the blastzone

like some characters will hit a upair at jump height and kill you instantly

[twilit ingot]

vertical kill power has been an issue with game since the beta but it got worse with launch when they scaled up the models but didn't move back the blast zones

[verbal kite]

exactly

[vital shard]

Crazy mvs needs to rework the game instead of giving iron giant the same nerfs every patch

[verbal kite]

what

you're getting all wrong

they should hire a team dedicated to iron giant

and watch the rest of the game burn

[winged rain]

Half the cast has loops

None of which have been fixed 😭

[vital shard]

A lot of them either burn the resources like iad loops or diable

[twilit ingot]

which is part of why I say arya is more balanced that people think. It's not like she is the only one with busted mechanics

[winged rain]

I mean when you cook a super man as Velma from good reads I shouldn't have to turn around and then get locked into a jab combo and do 0 to 60

Then kills me at 70

[twilit ingot]

well once they fix arya's 0 to death, she doesn't have a loop that I know of. So her play rate will go way down and so will her win rate

[vital shard]

I’m not gonna lie. Why tf is superman’s loop here, I saw that in a tournament… I’m sorry but if I was the tournament host I would tell them to replay the set 🤦‍♂️

[vital shard]

They had time to nerf

[verbal kite]

we both know that stripe jab dair into jab dair will be nerfed before superman's loop

[vital shard]

People won’t like but I have warned them

I said stripe is more likely to get a nerf than a buff and I got attacked 💀

[twilit ingot]

Well stripes loop will probably get touched, but he will need a buff once it's gone

[verbal kite]

i don't think they're buffing stripe anytime soon

because he still has attacks

[twilit ingot]

yeah but melee needs to be strong to combat the projectiles

[vital shard]

Yea no way

People are realising how good he really is

[twilit ingot]

This game promotes being passive which just leads to people playing projectiles spammers that whiff punish when you get close

[verbal kite]

yeah like morty

when's the last time you've seen a morty with a full dodge meter

they jsut attack, dodge, attack, dodge

[vital shard]

I hope Marvin gets touched. He can do the same combo twice in a row but it burns through a lot so it isn’t something worh mentioning 😔 #combos message

[twilit ingot]

As bad as the crazy damage combos are, it's almost justified if you are going to have characters that can just create so much space while also having the benefit of whiff punishing

[vital shard]

Nah the ones I verse dodge twice in a row 😭

[verbal kite]

right

the dodge into dodge mixup

[twilit ingot]

yeah marvin should not be doing crazy combos with all the space he makes. it makes no sense to give characters that are designed to make space wild combos they can get off a hit stun

[verbal kite]

well acutyaly before we continue to complain

[vital shard]

Marvin got crazy combos but the players are lazy to learn 🤦‍♂️

[verbal kite]

shouldn,t the devs focus more energy and time into giving the move more accurate hitboxes?

or making them available to see in training mode at least

[twilit ingot]

well I struggle do IAD's consistently, so I don't blame them. maybe it's easier on keyboard

[vital shard]

Apperently Marvin dair hitbox is the laser and his whole body

So in other words they decided to make the hitbox a rectangle 🤦‍♂️ #combos message

[twilit ingot]

yeah some hitboxes in this game are just trash. That marvin dair is almost as bad as beta finn's dair

[vital shard]

Yea iad took me a while to master

[twilit ingot]

I can do it in the lab ok, but in a game I'm probably dropping it 90% of the time, so I just go for garaunteed

[vital shard]

Hitbox shouldnt even be on his body makes no sense

[verbal kite]

or some characters that give punches have a hitbox on their entire arm

it should only be around the fist

[twilit ingot]

I think i'm fine with it being an entire arm. But the hitboxes or maybe it's the netcode messing up, but either way, attacks where the animation doesn't hit and yet a hit is registered is my biggest gripe about hitboxes.

[gaunt kite]

"Says an Arya main"

[twilit ingot]

Imagine using that argument in a court of law. Discredit whatever you don't like because of their background

[gaunt kite]

Arya is not balanced

.

Rven without her 0 to death

Her kit is not balanced

Just get it

[twilit ingot]

"Says the morty main"

[gaunt kite]

That does not make sense in this scenario, i said "says an Arya main" bcs u were just downplaying her cuz u play her

[twilit ingot]

Special pleading

[gaunt kite]

Uh

[twilit ingot]

Look it up

[verbal kite]

it does make sense. You're biased towards saying that arya is balanced because you play her

[twilit ingot]

I never said balanced. I said more balanced than people think. And that's with the stipulation that 0 to death doesn't exist. That guy moves the goal post all the time. Hence why he said balanced and not more balanced

Earlier in the discussion I even stated that she would still be above average if they only nerfed her 0 to death out unless they reduced hitstun on upspecial or sair knockback. She actually struggles to kill outside of that combo so getting rid of that she would be on the lower half

[gaunt kite]

She still needs nerfs on other stuff too

[twilit ingot]

Maybe some small adjustments but they should keep her bread and butter the same.

[winged rain]

Nerf Sair

Make her fully combo based with low kill potential

Makes her more of a skill character

[gaunt kite]

Make her more punishable could work

[winged rain]

Kinda hard

[gaunt kite]

She is already super fast, making here more punishable would not change much, would just make her actual fair to fight

[winged rain]

How do you make the lightest character in the game mote punishable without her being too easy to punish

[twilit ingot]

The moves she uses on offense are already very punishable. She'd locked out of moves way longer than most on the things people think are not punishable like downtilt and dash attack.

[winged rain]

Or one of the lightest

Gizmo arya and Harley are the lightest

But idk how you would make her more punishable

[twilit ingot]

She also doesn't have anything like batman where she can throw out constant attack frames

None of her moves are cancelable

You are committed and only rewarded for hits that land

[gaunt kite]

Ima just give up the downplay is insane