game-feedback

[dire zephyr]

Correct me if I am wrong but you don't have to approach Supes though. You could make him come to you and commit.

[plush epoch]

my other issue with superman, the flight move

because that's how he's going to approach

wanted to attack, grabbed
tried to dodge, grabbed

and he can just cancel and input another one right after

go high, dead
go low, dead

he just takes you to the blast zone and you're done

plus the stall at the ledge, just spamming the up version, can't approach cuz he'll throw you down, and he just get that refilled by grabbing the wall

at least with Bugs or projectile characters, you can counter it

but not always, because of my move's cooldown

[dire zephyr]

Ah, see? So it sounds like you are not playing the MU. You can't just go in on Supes (or any tank like that for that matter). Like with zoners, wait him out

[plush epoch]

he still has way too many options tho

I feel cooldowns should be implemented on his flight

because how easy he can just throw you out

I can manage Finn and Taz players, they are really annoying, but Supes is my most disliked character to fight

[lone hazel]

Please make it so armour makes you immune to vacuum boxes. It's extremely annoying to use Giant's bolts, only to just get stuck in Finn's backpack attack

[balmy wraith]

FIX THESE GODDAMN SERVERS I CANT EVEN CONTINUE PLAYING THE GAME AFTER A MATCH IT WONT LET ME PLAY NEXT AFTER MY PROG AFTER A MATCH AND I KEEP GETTING GIANT LAG SPIKES PER GAME LOSE A BUNCH OF MMR LIKE ARE YOU SERIOUS REIGHT NEOW BRO

[void wigeon]

relax bro. fixing the servers is their priority. the game is in Beta. it looks like you don't know that

[naive maple]

Improving the bots skill level, when you or your partner gets disconnected would be helpful.

[crimson quarry]

FIX the GAME, im done

[blissful knot]

nerf Finn, Harley, and Superman

[eternal moon]

Primary focus should be on server development

I dont know what pfg's doing

Servers are unbearable sometimes

[void wigeon]

the game is in Beta it has stability issues but it is their priority

[cinder sable]

Hitboxes/hurtboxes and frame data are atrocious. Why do animations not match up with active/recovery/hit stun frames? Feels like it’s a complete coin flip at which move will take priority in every interaction. Am I fighting an opponent or am I fighting some RNG based game mechanic system?

[broken helm]

The game is in beta you cant complain about it until its fully released

[broken helm]

a game cant have problems when its in beta

[cinder sable]

Smh you lil troll. Bless your heart

[eternal moon]

2 people playing the same character actually gives me aids. that needs to not be a thing.

[limber lantern]

remove armor on attacks when they have attack decay on that attack

[humble fern]

Please make the characters easier to unlock the gold is to hard to get. And im not really trying to pay to play just saying

Id rather pay for the game entirely then play it for free and use coins to unlock them

Similar to smash bros

[boreal plank]

Ong the hit/hurtboxes need to fixed big time. Absolutely no reason my attack goes through them while im getting hit while behind their character.

[gentle zinc]

best check out a currency grind guide on youtube I think they've already changed it and if so they're more than likely not going to change it again. Also if you actually say you'd rather pay for the entire game then dropping money to get characters shouldn't be a problem for you. Though I'm not 100% sure if you can outside of buying the founders packs

[humble fern]

I just bought 3 characters today ill probably do it again in a few weeks soon again to.

Not using coins i was buying gems

Via ps5 and playstation store.

I just wish i didnt have to keep doing that. I wish they made it easier to unlock them so i dont gotta buy every character that comes out. I mean cant they figure out a way to get coins easier just make the game non free to play ill pay 30 or 50 bucks for it as long as all the characters come unlocked

[eternal moon]

The Superman air up special (grab) cannot be dodged through? That's correct?

And has no hurtbox from the top, right?

[eternal moon]

Ranked should not have the ability to decline rematch.
There should be 3 stocks, not 2.
Superman should be disabled until fixes.
Mmr should ONLY be determined by ranked.

[loud gorge]

servers

[wise schooner]

Superman might be less of a problem if the game actually worked lmao. Half the time he gets his grabs from the ledge through the stage diagonally.

[stiff sun]

Look. I am giving this as feedback since this is a BETA. Certain characters need to be nerfed. For some reason tho? U guys keep buffing finn when...he is already one of the best in this game. I did realize that you can't dodge the up b entirely(the first hit dodged, nothing else). I do trust you guys to make this game better since it is in early stages. So I do understand there will be issues. Just gotta fix them as soon as you can.

[wise schooner]

Finn is not one of the best in the game lol

[wise schooner]

lol come on, bruh. I know you are not asking for LeBron nerfs. You ain't got to discredit yourself like that.

Bron is one of the weakest characters in the game.

[stiff sun]

Okay i agree the lebron is a bit much i can at least agree on that

[eternal moon]

Do you mind if I quote this comment to an outside discussion? I don't have enough experience to be sure about these things.

Does Superman's grab connect through a dodge?

[final compass]

No

People just can’t counter play superman for some reason

I can counter supes grabs as supes, the second slowest character in the game, just move out of the damn way.

[vapid lichen]

fr bro just don’t get grabbed 💀

[torpid wedge]

I've seen a clip of someone getting chain grabbed by super man into the blast zone because they kept jumping into it. They then went on to just call it broken

A game that still has over 10k players online at all times is not one that fell off.

[lone hazel]

If everyone on earth plays a game, then one day, only 10k do, it fell off. This game had a lot more than 10k at a time and now it struggles to get even that. Doesn't mean it's terrible, still on the Steam store stats page

[cyan patrol]

Yep. It was at 150k not long after beta release. So it's now at 1/15th the population and will continue to fall. The horrible match making and lag issues caused casuals to leave and as they leave the remaining casuals get matched more with non casuals and they get stomped and leave. This rollout focused on the wrong priorities and it destroyed the player population

[marsh echo]

Are there any plans to make the online mode accessible to 13+?

[robust cobalt]

Rick comes out next week, alright, but what is the plan in the long run the game will die if there are promises they keep delaying and can't keep, i honestly want the game to have success but it's seems like it's really not going to be the case if it keeps going like it has been for a month

[void wigeon]

only Morty and Season 1 launch delayed for like 1 week

[robust cobalt]

No

A character every 2 weeks my ass, that's the least of it, inform yourself bud

[void wigeon]

yes. Morty and Season 1 launch were delayed for like 1 week and Gizmo 2 days

[void wigeon]

what are you talking about?

[cyan patrol]

They said they wanted to release a new character every 2 weeks. Which again, totally wrong priorities

[void wigeon]

releasing character each 2 weeks was never a certain thing

[stiff temple]

Too much coding and they would also run out of characters to add lol

[edgy pulsar]

How is that MORTY has ultimate bullets but gizmo has 3 🤦🏻‍♂️

Can Gizmo have 3 arrows of fire that stun and infinite arrows that don’t stun.

[eternal moon]

So no more characters every two weeks! I knew that was unsustainable, but now we have an effed up release schedule AND still no modes or more stanges than we had on launch.

[void wigeon]

only Morty to Gizmo was 2 weeks difference(2 weeks and 2 days) so you can't say no more if it only happened once

they never said they'd release a character each 2 weeks

[eternal moon]

No, but people assumed. I think it's fine if people assumed, because the game is so bare bones still, you'd think it would need updates every two weeks just to feel a little fresh.

[keen warren]

yeah go ahead

[wheat pecan]

considering they can only license WB characters that is just simply false

they wont make any side character from a show

main villains and main characters only

so yeah, i dont think there is even a 1000 they can come up with

[unreal bison]

Anyone else got a bug where you can't sign into your WB acc or is that my internet being bad?

[void wigeon]

try another browser or incognito tab

[unreal bison]

Cheers bro it worked

[void wigeon]

np

[visual bough]

Hey is there any streamer tags

[void wigeon]

no

[visual bough]

oh

how do you know that im a MVP

[void wigeon]

everyone is

[visual bough]

and how do u classify it

how do i rank up

[void wigeon]

you only have MVP and Ultra MVP

[visual bough]

how do i get ultra mvp

[void wigeon]

Ultra MVP is for boosting the server

[visual bough]

does it provide in game stuff

[void wigeon]

no

[visual bough]

do u guys have like a founders role for people who spend 130 bucks on the game?

[void wigeon]

MVP and Ultra MVP are the only roles atm

[visual bough]

alright

[void wigeon]

idk if they'll add more but possibly

[visual bough]

one more thing

how do i change my name

[void wigeon]

in-game?

only through your WB account settings

[visual bough]

and if u dont have a wb account

[void wigeon]

you need one to play

[visual bough]

?

idk where to find it then

can you send me a link please

[void wigeon]

https://account.wbgames.com/account

[visual bough]

thanks I truly appreciate it toasts to you

[void wigeon]

np

[visual bough]

actally

whats a beta account code

[void wigeon]

wdym?

[visual bough]

it says "beta code" enter a wb games account code

where do i get that

[void wigeon]

it says that? weird

can you send a screenshot on my DM?

[visual bough]

stand by

[lone hazel]

It's for redeeming betas for games using a code, like a while ago, you needed a Twitch drop to play MultiVersus for like the first week or two of open beta

If WB makes a new game and releases codes for it, they'll go there as well

[wanton valve]

we ever gonna add a report button?

[void wigeon]

there is. you can go to the most recent player with and report from choosing the player there

[wanton valve]

oh god thats embarassing. im blind lol

thank you!

[void wigeon]

np

[crystal quail]

Since Gizmo was added to the game, every character's ring out lines are in English independently from which language you set the character voices on. Why? Please fix that.

[lament perch]

Gut Batman no character should be able to do what he does it’s seriously annyoing trying to have a fun game and playing against a broken character you need to actually nerf characters not take 5 updates to do so

[dreamy wigeon]

Matching System still blows

Keep getting partners way too weak and opponents way too strong

[eternal moon]

Didn't MK11 have frame data in the lab? Please implement this in MultiVersus.

[echo frost]

Different studio devs this title but sure it’s something they can take Into consideration

[tiny snow]

Get this right, so im fighting fin it all goes well

untill he starts using his upsword attack and holding it also his down attack

im superman but all my moves dont work on him

his sword keeps taking priorty over ALL of my moves

nothing work, super man is actually useless against finn

cant do anything.

i shouldnt be losing to a fin, even my command grab

dosent work on him, only thing that was working on him was my lazers

/ down special

but guess what, cant use it over and over again

do something multi verse

[eternal moon]

Are you trolling right now 💀

[arctic spear]

Really fun game until you go against multiple hackers in a row

[thorn parrot]

Remove Finn's eyebrows

Maybe just for his more neutral expressions, like in the source material

[shell mirage]

While using no weapon attacks i.e superman punches batman etc. Finn has priority. priority being he gos in to the neutral air of superman getting visibly punched 1-3 times, while he setts off his charged attack, then proceeds to hit you instead. Further more flying THROUGH Finn meaning your fist is visibly through his chest while he is setting off a attack will also prioritize hitting you first.

The hit box of his down air attack hits 1-12 meters (no joke) above his head. Down ground attack sometimes will not hit when it should but will defiantly hit when it shouldn't. His whiff recovery is set to 0.1 which is mental. He will attack and then dodge at the SAME time not even finishing the animation before spot dodging. His whiff recovery or there lack of, allows him in some occasions to attack TWICE as 1 attack as well as down air 3 times in a row. Call me crazy but ether no one play tests this game, or you have clear favorites.

[weary fern]

skill issue

[tranquil pelican]

skill issue

[gentle zinc]

Superman > Finn

[tranquil pelican]

There are so many characters better than Finn

[gentle zinc]

I won't say that but definitely Superman

[shell mirage]

in what way XDD because you cant stand in the middle you just have to go off stage and let yourself be grabbed?

[gentle zinc]

Boy what?

[shell mirage]

you dont understand the question? In what way is he better then Finn? that is the full question.

[gentle zinc]

Finn is only better than Superman in terms of attack range. He has some combos, but Superman has combos, a great dodge if not the best one, easy 0 to death kills, multiple armored attacks that he can spam, ridiculous knockback on some attacks, two grabs. Seemingly good air control, heavy weight character. Not to mention the amount of them that have easily killed me, opponents, or my teammates due to the grab being something you can't avoid if you have no dodges or just get lagged back into it.

He's the only character I see that can consistently chase and push people off stage into the blast zone

Finn just has range and a guaranteed spike attack with some combos. Which may not be as strong once the hitbox changes are done. Hurtbox changes seem to have already toned him down a bit.

@shell mirage

[shell mirage]

Finn has insane speed and no whiff recovery. Superman does not gain armor immediately and just WAITING can allow you to punish by WALKING up to him. He is good but not above 7 other characters

[shell mirage]

Finn kills on 20 as well so idk what you are on about XDD also can walk you off stage easily.

[gentle zinc]

That speed part is only due to his abilities and its good but its not that big a deal. Whiff recovery will definitely come once they nerf him again. Superman is 100% one of the top tiers . And yeah Finn does kill at 20 which is why I don't like him in this game and its just because of that one move that needs to be nerfed and or have its knockback changed. Nobody should be killing at 20 unless they've gotten a real good read like those superman's flying you into the death zone

[tranquil pelican]

I like the valve approach of balancing - if every character is OP, no character is OP

[gentle zinc]

I don't it just makes everything annoying but in theory I get it could work or sounds like it would.

[shell mirage]

Listen to yourself "WHEN they fix him" "WHEN they nerf him" "WHEN they nerf that move" "WHEN they fix the hit box" I think there is no point in continuing this conversation, you talk about this hypothetical Finn that does not exist. Im talking about the current Finn, and Superman might be better then this imaginary FInn u speak off but we will never know

[lone hazel]

I seriously don't get why randomly matching into an Arya with higher MMR than you as an Iron Giant warrants losing 30 MMR when you lose the match, considering it's borderline unplayable

[tranquil pelican]

It's the punishment for being an Iron Giant player

[lone hazel]

No, the real punishment is being nerfed in this state

Besides, there shouldn't be a punishment

[tranquil pelican]

It's a joke
That's the beauty of matchmaking

[gentle zinc]

Okay well my hypothetical Finn doesn't exist, but that changes nothing he's not better than Superman. He use to be but now he's almost nothing and his only redeeming factor is killing at 20 because of one move that is going to most likely be nerfed and even with it he's not that good. Every Finn lately that I've played against does what they can and when its not working they just spam the down attack because its all he has anymore at least for the not god tier Finn's.

[tranquil pelican]

Preach, my brother. One of these days Finn mains will have a chance again. 🙏

[shell mirage]

Fight @tranquil pelican i will give you $10 if you win

He mains FInn doesnt even use crystals

[gentle zinc]

I don't like him in this game I hope he stays this way honestly 😂 but I think the hurtbox changes hit him hard. They nerfed him but they undid the coin nerf and they gave backpack less vacuum.

[gentle zinc]

If he's down I got no reason not to but I'm at work for the next 8 hours

Don't even need the $10

[shell mirage]

You on EU or NA

[gentle zinc]

NA

[tranquil pelican]

I'm down to have a friendly match. Not sure how I got roped into this xD

[gentle zinc]

Me either he just volunteered you 🤣

[shell mirage]

lucky you, thats why you have that opinion

[gentle zinc]

What's your mmr of you know?

[tranquil pelican]

1667 1v1

[gentle zinc]

Definitely a little higher than mine

[shell mirage]

we are in the discord together.

[gentle zinc]

Like a different one?

[shell mirage]

in vc we know each other

[gentle zinc]

Oh okay

[tranquil pelican]

It'll be 11 pm for me when you get off work 🤔
Maybe a match tomorrow morning (for me) would be good. So in about 19-23 hours?

[gentle zinc]

Sounds good. My 1v1 MMR is 1435 so you're a little higher but close to the same area.

You're 300 from "high tier" MMR

[tranquil pelican]

oh damn cool

[lone hazel]

I just entered it by 2-0'ing a Superman as Giant. I swear, sometimes, they feel really overpowered, and others, they feel balanced

Compared to Finn, though, Superman has beaten me much harder than a Finn ever could

Disjoints are annoying, but if you can't beat their hitboxes, just dodge them

Arya is annoying because you can't

[gentle zinc]

Thank you xD

I think Iron Giant is good you've just gotta know what you're doing. But Superman is another beast. Finn is just living off the disjoint and the down attack now

[lone hazel]

Giant is useless in like 1 or 2 1v1 matchups

Other than that, he's hard

But fun and strong

[gentle zinc]

I just try to hit him with everything and anything now. Its funny to watch him be knocked around by anything 😂. Though I do it because I'm tired of the down special or whatever the cannonball move is. I challenge it everytime and its funny seeing them realize I know how to space not getting hit with it

[harsh thistle]

Superman kills at 0, get real.

[harsh thistle]

• Please watch the video below before you read -

• Something that makes me laugh the most is people in this discord trying to argue that superman is balanced and/or that there is suitable counter-play to him as an opponent.
  Superman is NOT balanced in this game genre and I'll explain why.

Multiversus is a platform fighter, and superman by far has the best aerial advantage possible, he can quite literally kill you at 0% with ease. I even tested out this theory myself and won 3 games straight against people who were higher mmr than me and who would've most likely beaten me on any other character. All of this is verifiable on my stats page.
With a platform fighter, the air and off-stage is a mandatory part of the game, the problem is, when you're fighting superman, there IS no offstage, the air belongs to him. One grab and the game is over, one whiff and the game is over even at the lowest percent's, this means you're stuck on stage and in the middle of the stage at that, this is now ALSO bad for you because superman has one of the best ground-games with his strong attacks being armoured and him being able to teleport with side-b. This would be the equivalent of a streetfighter character being able to instantly K.O you with one move. "Just don't go offstage" is like saying "Just don't get hit even once" to a streetfighter player. If a whole portion of the game is completely barred off due to one character having complete dominance over that domain, there's a problem. Think of StreetFighter buy ryu's shoryuken just instantly K.O's, the only counterplay would be to run away and spam projectiles in hopes your opponent doesn't get close enough to hit the shoryuken. That's the same with superman, you're barred to the stage and being off-stage even once could mean your instant demise. That's not a platform fighter, the purpose of the game has been lost at that point.

• Before anyone says "Skill issue 🤓" I'm a Pro smash player and ranked 300 best steven's in the world. Superman is a problem and something needs to change.

Video: https://streamable.com/984aeo

[robust cobalt]

It is a skill issue tho, i can comfortably beat a superman but on the other hand get my butt handed to me by a bugs or finn player

and i'm rank 3000 on batman, what difference does it make

[harsh thistle]

Congratulations on beating a 4 year old superman player.

I'm talking about actual players here though.

And rank 3000? One of my friends is a superman player in America who 2stocks rank 2000batman players for fun, you have no point here.

My friends IGN is dbreizin look up his stats.

He's a top 2% superman player, I watch him play everyday, he'd literally 2stock you in 5 seconds and laugh. Please don't get involved.

Superman is a problem

[robust cobalt]

I'm primarily playing superman that's why i know how to beat him, your friend would tell you the same thing if he's not biased

[lone hazel]

Friendly reminder the MMR-based matchmaking is pretty bad.
I (top 100 Giant) paired up with a top 10 Taz player and the game decided to put us up against a level 9, 727 MMR Arya and their teammate, also with lower MMR than either of us.
We matched into people with actual MMR twice. The second time, we lost, but not before a 29 match winstreak of almost exclusively players with significantly lower MMR, which makes it really slow to gain MMR as well, as you only get the minimal amount of MMR for a win.

Doing the maths, they were over 1500 MMR behind. If their best player duplicated himself, making it a 2v3, they still would've had less MMR

[harsh thistle]

That has nothing to do with my statement, I was miles better than that superman player because I found him again later when he switched to Arya and I completely destroyed him

[lone hazel]

Superman is hard to figure out, especially if you don't have much experience with him. He's one of the better characters in the game, but not that much of a nightmare. He has cheese, which should be toned down.

[harsh thistle]

I agree. The killing at 0% from one grab is completely ridiculous.

Even WITH lots of superman experience, one mistake could mean death, and I find that unfair as no other character can kill in a single move

[heavy obsidian]

I literally solo evryone here

[crimson quarry]

Combo loops are skilless and ruining this game.

[wheat pecan]

this, please tweet it out to tony hyunh

I tweeted to him and multiversus twitter multiple times but they ignore me :))))

why have ranks and why have mmr if it doesn't work? Just remove that system entirely from quick play, I just don't understand the thought process of this game

[lone hazel]

I don't really use Twitter. If I did, I'd probably just ask him if there were plans to adjust the MMR system/matchmaking and imply it would benefit the playerbase

[wheat pecan]

@lone hazel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiqoVFjJFyU

look at this :))

I am ranked 190,000 here fyi

[lone hazel]

Ah yes. The classic "let the pros fight the average" mentality

[wheat pecan]

with my teammate 60k, vs rank 29 arya and 11k jake

[lone hazel]

It seems almost like the game ignores the highest MMR player on a team

I can't play with low MMR squads, because we'll only fight people at their MMR

[wheat pecan]

https://i.imgur.com/4cF9FXr.jpg

here's another great match

[lone hazel]

Glad I'm on this side of the spectrum, at least. It just sucks when losing once to players with any MMR makes you lose the amount of MMR you get from 8 wins

[wheat pecan]

I play with randoms

[lone hazel]

Same, usually

[wheat pecan]

the matchmaking is non existent in this game, I've played with brand new players (literally) playing their first match on my team vs level 30s

[lone hazel]

But I get tired of being matched with bad players, vs players with lower MMR, not rewarding to win against

I randomly matched into a person named MadSoldier. We auto-partied and I sent them a friend request. They accepted it today and we had that 29 match winstreak. That put them in top 7 2v2 Taz players

And me in top 95 Giants

[wheat pecan]

yeah in order to have fun in this game you must have a premade team

otherwise bots it is unless you play 1v1

[lone hazel]

We performed pretty equally, there were matches I felt like I was carrying and matches where they had really nice plays

[wheat pecan]

like

[wheat pecan]

these guys were not only level 30, but they were duo as well so imagine that, communicating and having good synergy vs lower mmr players is just disgusting matchmaking

I was not duo here so it was random teammate vs premade level 30s

[lone hazel]

Premade isn't always communicative. It does imply the players know what to expect from each other though

[wheat pecan]

yeah

synergy with each other

[lone hazel]

But matching a level 1 vs them is pain

At least, if they are high MMR

[cyan patrol]

Level doesn't matter but regardless the matchmaking is garbage so pointing out level doesn't matter isn't really relevant anyway

[lone hazel]

Usually, people with a higher level do better, because they have more experience. Higher MMR players are all high level (except smurfs I guess) and most low MMR players are low level/vice versa

[wheat pecan]

level absolutely matters

the *** you mean?

someone who is playing their first match with 0 perks and 0 understanding of a character vs level 30 who has played 500+ games with said character is a huge advantage

[lone hazel]

I mean, if GSMVoiD made a fresh account, it would have no MMR and every character at level 1 and he'd still beat level 30 players

[cyan patrol]

That's nice. Low level players beat high level players all the time. Further you can lab or custom game with a character as much as you like and still be lvl 1

[wheat pecan]

I clearly said someone who doesnt have understanding of a character, I didn't say smurfs

[lone hazel]

I was also a level 1 Gizmo, but I beat everyone I matched into for a while, because of fundamentals

[cyan patrol]

In other words, it's about skill not level and people getting matched to people of vastly different skill levels

[lone hazel]

If a Smash or Brawlhalla pro starts playing, he's stronger at level 1 than most people at level 10

[wheat pecan]

bro defend this all you want but you are wrong

you shouldn't be matched vs level 30s when you are just starting on a character for the first time

[lone hazel]

What if they got to level 30 with a 35% winrate though?

[cyan patrol]

You're arguing about the wrong thing. The matchmaker isn't bad because of level. It's bad because it's not matching skill

[wheat pecan]

that's the main issue yeah

[lone hazel]

Level is an implication, but not a defining feature for a player's performance

MMR is more useful for determining a player's success, based on skill, character power, everything

A bit flawed, but more useful than level

[wheat pecan]

with the current MMR it absolutely matters because you are more likely than not going to face a decent player if they grinded so much to reach level 30 and knowing that you can face top 100 players when you are top 200k makes it even worse

[lone hazel]

Flawed logic, tbh. Hard to put to words why

[wheat pecan]

is it though

level 30 takes forever to get to, what casual player would play this game 5+ hours a day to do that?

at that point are they really casual?

[lone hazel]

The reason a level 30 player beats a level 1 isn't their level

[harsh thistle]

Does level even affect your MMR?
I'm lvl 31 and most of my opponents are lvl 12

[lone hazel]

Just like an old monk doesn't beat a new martial arts student because of the age difference.

[wheat pecan]

no

my experience hasn't been like that so I can't say I agree

the level 30s I fought were all good players

[lone hazel]

Sure, the old monk has had many years of experience to train, etc, while the new student hasn't, but if that student was an absolute powerhouse and the old monk was very weak, the new student could still beat him

[wheat pecan]

I am not saying you cant beat level 30s

I am saying they had a lot more time to play the character and the matchmaking shouldn't place you in unfavorable matches like that

[lone hazel]

But I don't think it should base its matchmaking on level

[wheat pecan]

well fix the MMR and then we will see, it's probably going to be fine if the player is (like you said, a newbie with 35% winrate) then yeah

but giving me top 100 players level 30s is not fine

[lone hazel]

Not a newbie with a low winrate, an experienced player that just doesn't have much skill

Skill matters

[wheat pecan]

if they are on your skill level yeah, not super above it though

I dont mind, personally, if I fight a level 30 who is on my rank and mmr

even if its a new character that I haven't played before at least I stand a chance

[lone hazel]

Pretty much

[elfin valley]

Good match making game i just started playing and go againt a lvl 34 bugs bunny that i destroyed with morty no perks (This was on my alt account)

[harsh thistle]

I don't know if any of the MV team will see this, but I really appreciate the cinematic trailer for rick's reveal.
It makes character reveals SO much more hype and I actually was excited to watch it, please continue to do this in the future ❤️

[shell mirage]

Its a skill issue, I saw the video you sent, i dont understand whats so difficult to understand about him. Some characters can no be challenged on the ground like Finn some cant off stage, some cant be stopped from ledge guarding etc. Dont get yourself in that position which is done by not going there.

Charging a attack while above him, the attack which gos sideways is mental. You in fact should counter Superman. There is no toxicity here so dont take it the wrong way

[harsh thistle]

You clearly didn't read my paragraph 😂

"Just don't get yourself in that position" is exactly what I'm talking about, you're contributing to this bad mentality of that a platform fighter should no longer be a platform fighter simply because a character has control over an entire domain.

Also if it was a skill issue I wouldn't have destroyed him when he switched characters

[harsh thistle]

That was a complete misinput, I intended to do down-b, No logical person would charge a sideb when their opponent is below them.

That doesn't at all change the fact he can kill at 0%

[harsh thistle]

Finn CAN be challenged on the ground, I can aerial downb him and fastfall it so it gets it out of his move

Superman CANNOT be challenged on the ledge without extreme disjoints

And even projectiles wont work because of the stage blocking them

[shell mirage]

He cant kill on 0 if you are not it the position for him to do it. Dont go off stage if you lack skill to attack off stage. Its not bared off by any means a Batman and Finn are characters who both can challenge Superman off ledge. You are playing the hardest character in the game

[harsh thistle]

Do you not understand what I'm saying to you?

Saying "Don't go off stage" is the stupidest thing to say to someone in a PLATFORM FIGHTER

That's like saying "Don't get hit" in streetfighter

Like I said, imagine a character in streetfighter that can instantly K.O you with one move.

And when someone complains, you say "Just don't get hit lol"

[low wren]

y'all should work on getting better looking maps. Most are bland

[shell mirage]

Mate get off stage if you have enough IQ, and skill. It is beyond your skill at this stage

You are playing the hardest character hence why there is no trace of a Steven in 2v2s top 30 or 1v1s Your character is bad at off stage others are good

A counter to your character does not make the character itself broken or your character bad

[tranquil pelican]

I wouldn't mind some more exotic gimmicky maps. Changing environment, very large or more stage hazards

[shell mirage]

Idk what you dont understand the grab is not absolute by ANY means

[harsh thistle]

Except that it's not a counter to my character, it's a counter to 70% of the cast and also breaks the purpose of the game

[shell mirage]

Its a counter to low elo players who rush their opponent

Play Superman for a bit see how high you come

Superman is anti noob, if you cant comprehend that you die when you peek down a ledge and stare at a gods eyes without doing a single move then maybe IQ and skill is what you are lacking

[harsh thistle]

I'm a top 300 steven and would literally smoke you in an 1v1, please don't try to talk about skill

What you lack is critical thinking skills.

[shell mirage]

sure

you know i main superman tho, right?

[harsh thistle]

So?

[shell mirage]

Dont be crying after a beating

You eu or NA

[harsh thistle]

You're a mid superman, you don't get to say that

EU.

[shell mirage]

great

[harsh thistle]

And it's so funny to me that you're desperately trying to prevent superman from getting nerfed by arguing with me

Not surprised that you main superman

You're a low-level player who relies on being able to instantly kill your opponents

[lone hazel]

This isn't a game about learning counterplay, it's a game about brawling opponents and having fun. The majority of players struggle to have fun when playing against a Superman who remotely knows what he's doing. This is an issue, whether it's a skill issue or not

[harsh thistle]

I want to see this VANJCHO guy play any character apart from superman and see how low his winrate is ☠️

[lone hazel]

When one thing a character does becomes too reliable, they start spamming that. Now we have Supermen who do nothing but camp at ledge the entire duration of the match and it's not healthy for the game

[harsh thistle]

Completely correct

OH MY GOD LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I JUST WENT TO HIS STATS PAGE.

SUPERMAN, DAMAGE: 130, KNOCKOUTS: 3

ALLL OVER HIS MATCH HISTORY, LOOOOOOOL

I WAS RIGHT, HE'S BAD AND KILLS HIS OPPONENTS AT 20% AND THAT'S WHY HE'S SO DESPERATE FOR SUPERMAN TO NOT GET NERFED

[lone hazel]

On top of everything else, due to his weight and overall kill power, his armour, hitboxes, everything... Superman has very high strengths and very little weaknesses, if any. He's a very strong character

[harsh thistle]

LOOOOOOOOL

[tranquil pelican]

https://preview.redd.it/pvn1d4r7zohz.png?auto=webp&s=76109096d94ba87f20b05184eacac37b89de1469

[shell mirage]

Its a low skill requirement

[harsh thistle]

HIS LAST 3 1V1 GAMES

Damage: 117. Kills: 2
Damage: 141, Kills 2
Damage: 122, Kills 2

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I WAS RIGHT LMAOOO

[lone hazel]

Depends. If you're up against a 2000 MMR Superman, you have to know counterplay or you die at 0 the whole match

[shell mirage]

yes which do be me

[tranquil pelican]

What's the website to see stats?

[wheat pecan]

I think the weight of superman is a thing that needs to be nerfed

[lone hazel]

tracker.gg

[harsh thistle]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/profile/wb/62e19199fc38ff7f6ece0785/overview

LOOOOOOOL

[lone hazel]

I don't think they should nerf Superman's survivability, I think they should nerf his killpower

[shell mirage]

You cant camp after 5s you begin to lose grip and slide

[eternal moon]

Wow, that was an AMAZING teaser!

[lone hazel]

I've seen a video of my brother fighting a Superman who just kept camping, dude

It's possible

[shell mirage]

Laughing and not joining the server because you are scared XDD

very funny

[wheat pecan]

if they nerf his kill power too much the character will be garbage, just nerf his survivability, he is way too hard to kill, almost as hard as iron giant

[shell mirage]

Again not with skill its really that simple XDD

[lone hazel]

He's supposed to be a tank

[harsh thistle]

I'm currently doing 2v2's with a friend

[harsh thistle]

ADDRESS THE LOW SKILL ALLEGATIONS

[wheat pecan]

wonder woman is suppose to be a tank too, but has the same weight as shaggy who is brawler

[harsh thistle]

`HIS LAST 3 1V1 GAMES

Damage: 117. Kills: 2
Damage: 141, Kills 2
Damage: 122, Kills 2`

THIS YOU? LOOL

[shell mirage]

You saw how i kill fast will only take 30s to 2 stock you

the way you play man im sure 30s is overshooting it a bit much, dont ya think?

[harsh thistle]

.

LOOOOOOL

[lone hazel]

Well, let's cut the toxicity for this channel. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Personally, I think Superman is a little too strong across the board and has cheese that shouldn't be as easy as it is.

[shell mirage]

No need to write in all caps, no one will hear you

[shell mirage]

He has 2 useless attacks because people called for debuff his grab should be debuffed but oh well devs dont listen XD

[harsh thistle]

Address the low skill allegations

[tranquil pelican]

Why don't you two duel? That should be enough to address any low skill allegations

[shell mirage]

Low skill allegations? Join the discord mate all will be addressed there

[lone hazel]

Frankly, it doesn't matter if 2 of your attacks are bad, if the rest of your entire kit is overpowered

[shell mirage]

How are attacks with the biggest whiff recovery overpowered?

[harsh thistle]

We're discussing a broken character that can instantly kill opponents here.

[shell mirage]

its the grab mate XD

[harsh thistle]

When it can kill at 0% 🤡

[lone hazel]

They don't even have the biggest whiff recovery though lol

[tranquil pelican]

Didn't you suggest the duel tho and now you are pussying out?

[eternal moon]

The meat riding is different

[shell mirage]

"im 2v2 with a friend i cant play u but i can continue to text for 5min "

[harsh thistle]

Clearly you didn't read my message, I said if he played any other character he'd get smoked instantly

Zeroneon when the challenge is to read

[lone hazel]

The risk is you get punished for whiffing an attack, the reward is a stock at very low damage. Having played at a high level, fought top 0,1% Superman players, I should know he's too strong as is

[shell mirage]

sure, you play a low level character and i will pick a low level as well

[tranquil pelican]

#game-feedback message

[eternal moon]

Bros killing people at 0% and things it balanced

[shell mirage]

i dont mind mate XDD

[tranquil pelican]

You answered with "So?" when he said that he is playing superman

[shell mirage]

Said multiple times grab should be nurfed

[tranquil pelican]

Clearly someone is pussying out rn

[eternal moon]

Pick one besides supes

[shell mirage]

sure mate, dont know what that proves since he says im low teir sup and cant play and will get smoked... then he looked at my stats

now is saying "pick new character "

[eternal moon]

he said he would smoke you ass never invited you to an 1v1 but you ass shouldnt know what an invitation is with no friends

[shell mirage]

Sent him the discord mate

[tranquil pelican]

I didn't get an invite to fight 🤔

[harsh thistle]

I don't HAVE any low level characters, the only character I've played is steven

[eternal moon]

Thats the point reading aint yours huh

[shell mirage]

no response, still waiting. He said he cant play rn since his 2v2 with a friend but then texted for 5min straight

[eternal moon]

IM THE FRIEND DUMBASS

[tranquil pelican]

Never said he'd smoke my ass either. That's this fellow @shell mirage

[shell mirage]

I only played sup so i can play any character to, no perks

[harsh thistle]

If I can play steven then sure, let's go

Because I don't play any other character

[eternal moon]

Brother ur Talkig BS for no reason

[shell mirage]

LMAO so the only time you can smoke a sup is when he doesnt pick his main you can have all the perks and he picks a character lvl 1

sure

i will fight you even now, pick your steven no perks

[eternal moon]

Aint everyone saying supes is broken

[harsh thistle]

This is LITERALLY a discussion about how superman is the most broken character in the game and you're confused as to why I don't want to fight a superman player

[shell mirage]

i said i woldnt use him multiple times

idk what else you want me to do but not use him XDD

[harsh thistle]

I accepted, check dms

[eternal moon]

sky daddy aint real you cant hop on that meat sorry brotha

[shell mirage]

English server pls use English

[tranquil pelican]

frfr on god no kap

[eternal moon]

I used English education is free 😭

[eternal moon]

Bros saying frfr on god no cap under something related to bad english 😭

[shell mirage]

it is, yet we are here.

[eternal moon]

Yet here we are not understanding basic sentences LMAO

[tranquil pelican]

I have no clue what you are saying jesus

[lone hazel]

Skill issue

[eternal moon]

deadass

[eternal moon]

BROS PLAYINNG TAZ

Feels like the devs released a teaser to try and get people back playing the game over the weekend, because... uh... it was bad

[tranquil pelican]

What was bad?

[eternal moon]

Yeah thats how marketing works

no release date, worse graphics than other teasers (i understand why, but still, bad look), not even a new stage tease!

[eternal moon]

yet still getting reteurnig players cuz of this like i said just marketing like its nothing bad

true

[harsh thistle]

I won the 1v1.

[eternal moon]

SMOKED 😭

[harsh thistle]

And Like I said, superman players are GARBAGE without their instant kill moves

😂 RIP BOZO 💯

[eternal moon]

BRO WAS JUST SPAMMING

[tranquil pelican]

Didn't you barely win against a character that he doesn't main with your main?

[lone hazel]

Funnily enough, the good Superman players are the ones who practice the entire moveset

[harsh thistle]

He spammed taz and still lost 😂

[eternal moon]

Proves our point abt superman players dumbass

[harsh thistle]

He literally did tornado around 5 times in a row, complete spam, and lost 😂

[shell mirage]

Is Taz also broken XDD

[eternal moon]

AINT NO WAY

[harsh thistle]

Did I say that? No.

[tranquil pelican]

If you don't mind, I would love to try and play either of you as well

[shell mirage]

mate you bearly won with a 31 lvl steven with a no perk taz

[harsh thistle]

You spammed tornado and used dogpile right off of cooldown to get ONE stock.

[shell mirage]

and you almost died XDDD

[harsh thistle]

You mashed the entire game, because you're a clueless player, you're a superman main, all you know is instantly kill. You have no concept of neutral or spacing.

[eternal moon]

taz(Easy to play almost no learning required) + spam against experienced support player

[shell mirage]

LMAO k dude

[lone hazel]

Oopstier could bury anyone in this chat while not playing Superman tho

[eternal moon]

ALMOST DIED LMAO

[shell mirage]

rematch with a character you pick for me that isnt steven?

[shell mirage]

i have a screenshot so dont pull that XDD

[eternal moon]

LIKE I WATCHED YOU WAS STRAIGHT GARBAGE

[eternal moon]

we can 1v1 you can even pick superman lmao

[shell mirage]

he pulled it anyway XDD

[harsh thistle]

1. Steven is a SUPPORT character
2. I had no signature perks which are a BIG part of steven's kit, it's not as impactful when you're superman
3. You spammed tornado, you used it about 12 times in 10 seconds

[shell mirage]

sure

[harsh thistle]

You LOST btw.

[lone hazel]

I still don't see the point of this

[shell mirage]

Bro its about you saying you would smoke me then you almost lost against a lvl 10 XDD

you are LVL 31 not to mention the sad wins you have on Steven

[harsh thistle]

Almost lost? I was at 50%, let's not lie to ourselves here

[shell mirage]

you wore at well over 60 my guy

[tranquil pelican]

It's fun drama

[eternal moon]

pick supes im gonna pick my worst char i can play with no perks

[harsh thistle]

I WAS at 60, and then I healed myself back to 50, stop lyin. I literally have it recorded

[shell mirage]

sure

[lone hazel]

It should probably move to a different channel or even server tho

[shell mirage]

healed while i was dead XDD

[shell mirage]

yes

[tranquil pelican]

As long as the mods dont enforce anything

[harsh thistle]

That actually works, you know that right?

[eternal moon]

JOIN THE 1v1 i invited

[shell mirage]

inv

[harsh thistle]

I can heal even if you're dead

While the "victory" screen is showing, my percent still can go down lol

but that's not what I did regardless, I healed when you were alive

Just watched him cheese @eternal moon at 30%, he's currently spamming armoured moves in the middle of the stage. This guy has absolutely no concept of neutral and doesn't know what he's doing.

[tranquil pelican]

Do you mind if we 1v1? I barely play against Stevens so it would be nice practice.

not a sup main either

[eternal moon]

Lost it 😭

[shell mirage]

man i emoted every time i attacked, also didnt grab you once

with no perks too

[harsh thistle]

He was playing lvl10 arya, that's not his main

[shell mirage]

LMAO

[harsh thistle]

Not rn

[shell mirage]

true but did it look like i was playing fr? or was i emoteing and not grabbing

gg bye

[harsh thistle]

You killed him at 30% lol

Anyways, you lost against me, my point was proven.

[eternal moon]

i was messing with you but we can retry honsestly i played my worst you played ur best bruh

[shell mirage]

he cant dodge

[harsh thistle]

Fight his main

[eternal moon]

i did didnt have anything left brotha

[shell mirage]

i emoted my best

whats your main?

[eternal moon]

what was the beginning brotha

[eternal moon]

Bats

[shell mirage]

sure

[eternal moon]

lets 1v1 again if you so sure lmao

[shell mirage]

sure

perks on?

[eternal moon]

yes

[shell mirage]

i thought you wore good XD

[harsh thistle]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[eternal moon]

2 STOCK

[shell mirage]

gg man what rank wore you

[harsh thistle]

HE GOT 2 STOCKED

[eternal moon]

HAHAHAHA

DAMN

[shell mirage]

English pls, tnx

[eternal moon]

EVERY WORD IS RIGHT AND IN ENGLISH BRUH

[shell mirage]

Whats your rank on main account?

[harsh thistle]

This IS his main account LOOL

[eternal moon]

THIS IS MY MAIN

[harsh thistle]

HE'S 1440 MMR, WHICH IS LOWER THAN YOURS

[shell mirage]

Get got is not a right sentence "bruv "

[harsh thistle]

LOOOOL

[eternal moon]

BRO READ

[shell mirage]

true, how does that prove your point XDD or did you forget

[harsh thistle]

AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY POINT HAS ONCE AGAIN BEEN PROVEN.

WITHOUT KILLING AT 0%, SUPERMAN PLAYERS ARE UTTER GARBAGE

[harsh thistle]

BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CHEESE HIM AT 0%, AND YOU GOT 2STOCKED BY SOMEONE WITH LESS MMR THAN YOU

[eternal moon]

THATS SUPES ARE TRAH PLAYERS LMAO

[harsh thistle]

REMOVE SUPERMAN'S UPB AND YOU ARE HARDSTUCK 900 MMR 😂 😂 😂

[shell mirage]

i didnt chese him because you cant if the player has the IQ to not get cheesed which we discussed is IQ and skill issue not a character issue

This proves it is so

[eternal moon]

IF HAD IQ YOU WOULDNT FLY AT THE WORST TIMES

YOU FULLY COUNTER MY COMBO ENGAGE TOO

[harsh thistle]

You COULD cheese him, you just didn't try.

He SCREENSHARED the ENTIRE match, I saw EVERYTHING

[shell mirage]

Beating me doesnt automatically win the argument in your favor, this is not a Anime

[harsh thistle]

Yes it does LOOL

[eternal moon]

BRO WHAT

[shell mirage]

<@&882349260409032746> the amount of caps in here pls

[eternal moon]

HAHAHAHAHA

[harsh thistle]

The one game you don't try and cheese people at 0%, you lose horribly to someone less mmr than you

[harsh thistle]

☠️ im crying LOOL

[inland agate]

@harsh thistle @eternal moon enough you two

[harsh thistle]

Alright.

[inland agate]

This chat is for actual feedback not for commentary on a match you had

[harsh thistle]

I understand, we apologize.

I did initially start this conversation with feedback however

[eternal moon]

what did we do tho all we said was to prove our point and get better feedback but we re sorry wont happen again i got too invested 💀 🙏

[shell mirage]

Scroll up and you will see that the discussion was that the character is not broken because you get grabbed and killed at 0. The grab is not absolute , and requires the opponent to mess up. Which if you have skill and IQ not to get yourself in that position then Superman is not the problem.

[eternal moon]

HE IS BROTHER

[eternal moon]

ALL YOUR MMR is supes the none of that is you

[lone hazel]

The counter-argument is that that fact makes him too volatile for offense. Most characters don't kill for free off a single mistake

[shell mirage]

chill with the caps mate

whats wrong with you XDD

[harsh thistle]

And like I said in my initial point.

Saying "Don't get grabbed lol" is like saying "Don't get hit lol" in streetfighter against a character that can instantly K.O you in one hit.

It's no longer a platform fighter if you're barred to the stage.

[shell mirage]

Got a little too excited

[echo frost]

Folks this isn't game feedback

this is more like a debate, and that isn't the purpose of this channel

In addition to that, you need to generally keep it civil and respectful

[eternal moon]

Were debating to set ur feedback right sorry

[harsh thistle]

I started this conversation with a whole paragraph of feedback for the devs.

This individual however, decided everything I said was bogus and started to argue with me on it, simply because he mains the character I discussed in my feedback.

[echo frost]

If you want to have full blown conversations maybe considering moving this debate to #off-topic #general #general-2

[eternal moon]

Im gonna but its difficult sometimes brotha

[lone hazel]

I don't think one side of a discussion is to blame for the existence of the discussion

Let's just move on. We've all stated our views

[eternal moon]

Ok wait im gonna write my feedback paragraph the im gonna go

[shell mirage]

You are clearly not, which was my point. Which your friend demonstrated in the match. He went off stage and got me from the ledge (multiple times) because his a good player. You my friend are not. The feedback you gave and the point many tried to make is that being a bad player =/= the character you have a problem beating is broken. But that it is your skill. Very simple

[lone hazel]

Any feedback sent in this discussion will likely be read and interpreted by PFG, regardless of what the other side is saying, anyway

[harsh thistle]

I've beaten my friend several times in fights, and my friend beat you. So how am I not a good player? Stop the cope.

Also I watched the entire match and he didn't go belowstage once to hit you

But anyways, let's end it here and let the feedback continue like the mod said.

[frank roost]

remove platforms and add more maps lol

[eternal moon]

SUperman is broken way too much knockback too much knockback reseistance shields and damage and is really the easiest and skilles of characters he also can freeze essentials of characters which is way too op and being able to knock out people at 37% min is outragous

[shell mirage]

My feedback was that the grab should be nerfed but thats not what makes the character broken because he is not. he has 2 useless attacks 1 burns for 1s every 8s while other characters have affects that last far longer like a 5 week debuff that can be applied much faster if not 1 weaken a 1 freez as well as 1s burn on top of that almost guaranteed.

[eternal moon]

Sir i respect ur opinion but that feceas of things youre brabling dont make sense and arent of high interlect

[shell mirage]

"interlect..." amazing English man. Even when you google what to say you cant type it out

[eternal moon]

Sir english isnt my first language i try my best this has nothing todo with feedback and something that the mods spoke against please remove your in efficient "contribution"

MY feedback for superman number one supes attack are not utilizing him properly and only giving him more knockback and too much strenght hence is up neuteral and many others should be nerfed because theyre all op

[shell mirage]

Because he is batman he doesn't need to go of stage which is what we talked about if you scroll up. Some characters have a better time dealing with others. Knowing how to utilize them is key. Again this is a discussion on the feedback you gave, not a anime episode where the winner is right XD . We played (in m mind) to see if you had issues with other characters, and if Supermans grab is unstoppable and absolute as you say. OR was it you not knowing how to do anything off stage, putting you to 50-60 with a character i havent played almsot at all while you are lvl 31 proved to me in my opinion that it was in fact a skill issue since when i did that to your friend he had no issues what so ever and used his full kit, while you never hit me against your shield once.

[eternal moon]

<@&882349260409032746> Hes beefing again no feedback man we just wanna post our feedback in peace and he argues that his main isnt broken please help 😭

[shell mirage]

Its my 3th language... and i agree many need to be nerfed especially the infinites. But the point again was that supermans kit is missing 2 moves, both of which are the worst in the game, calling him broken is just silly to me.

[inner oracle]

Guys

Leave your feedback and move on

[proper wadi]

This is not a place for discussion

[inner oracle]

This isnt the chat to be having discussions

[proper wadi]

Just the feedback.

Indeeeed

[shell mirage]

If you read all i do is provide feedback on the match and talk about it XDD

[eternal moon]

i changed to write feedback an you still harass me please stop.

[harsh thistle]

Mods, please help DvlSide

[inner oracle]

Guys stop. Ill hand out mutes if you cant be big boys about it

[proper wadi]

Not the place to comment on other people's stuff.

[inner oracle]

This is not the chat for discussion, you left your feedback, to another chat now, thank you.

[eternal moon]

We will thank you sir mod 🙏

[shell mirage]

Yes indeed, kids got a bit excited is all

[stiff nest]

pls don't nerf Finn if u do, the game will be full of Supermans. seriously, that armour break perk needs a buff

[eternal moon]

My full finn feedback Finn has way too large attack hitboxes hitstuns and speed and damage he just needs a stat nerf and a hitbox nerf and he shouldnt be allowed to break shoilds with one attack and that attack speed

[tranquil pelican]

I think there are more pressing balance changes than Finn. He doesn't actually do that much damage. It just racks up quickly because of the attack speed

Purely going by logic, Finn should not be nerfed at all. You don't see a single Finn in the top 30 be it 2v2 or 1v1, but there are plenty of Batmans, Aryas and Shaggies

[gentle zinc]

No

[shell mirage]

exactly

[gentle zinc]

Nice edit 👀👀

[final tendon]

I wanted to give a few future suggestions for custom lobbies. Like having friendly fire as an option, along with stocks instead of score. Also, as much as I dislike stages like Tree Fort and getting juggled around when doing matches with random opponents (which I admittedly benefit from here and there), I would like a few more stages of that nature with peculiar layouts (again, at least for custom lobbies).

While I'm here, I appreciate the work being put into the game. From the interface, constant work on character balance, new characters, and everything else. Relearning the hurtbox rework has even been fun in it's own. Keep up the good work. 👍

[elfin valley]

Fin needs a nerf in his attack range and hit priority. every time i play againt a fin they always sit on the fround and spam the same attack Hit delay doesnt do anything to stop him from spamming the same attack over and over again. Even if you hit a second before he decides to attack he will still hit you first. Ruins the game

[gentle zinc]

Hoping they do something to make attack decay better because it doesn't do much. You can dodge out of the knockback though

[elfin valley]

still hits you. all you can do Is play with a character that can range. His attack range is way to great and has to much knock back

When i play morty againt a fin i just know i automatically loose than i have to switch to jake to make sure i win.

[gentle zinc]

Don't know what to say about that. I play Tom and Jerry I can hit him. He uses a sword and any character like that will have that range advantage unless they really don't want him having it but I'm not good enough with Morty to tell you how to beat him with Morty

[elfin valley]

Only character i have a problem against is fin im fine against every other character

[gentle zinc]

Only move he has I don't like is the down attack. I don't think he's as op as before the hurtbox rework. He's annoying but I don't think he's that bad.

Idk who you play I can't give suggestions

He'll prob get nerfed again anyway

[hallow prairie]

I feel like one of three things needs to happen. Either the characters' gold prices get reduced (idc how much), the number of gold we get from matches increased, or we just get more ways to get gold. Heck, even making characters cheaper while on rotation would help lessen the grind in this game.

[tranquil pelican]

You have so many options as Morty

Your ranged attacks trump finn

[elfin valley]

fin is just to fast he has faster attack speed and after you shoot one laser you cant do anything. he can camp on ground the whole game he has hit priority

I went against 5 fins today. what happens is i try to throw a grenade he gets to me before the grenade animation is over even if he on the other side of the map

charging an axe is useless he will always have more range and hit priority

[tranquil pelican]

Morty's melee reach is also greater. The only advice I can give is practice more vs Finns.

I'm top 15 with Finn and the Mortys in my bracket always give me a hard time

[elfin valley]

I bet you always win against mortys you camp on the ground and just spam same ground move

Im gonna meta hop im becoming a batman main

[tranquil pelican]

No? It's a pretty even matchup

[elfin valley]

prove it. show me ur stat tracker

[tranquil pelican]

It's half past midnight and I am on my phone, I can't right now.

[elfin valley]

ign?

[tranquil pelican]

zeroneon

The only time I score wins against Mortys is when they dont pay attention and I csn spike them

[elfin valley]

btw im talking about 1v1s here

[tranquil pelican]

Ah I see. 1v1 is even more cancer imo

[elfin valley]

fin is cancer in 1v1

[tranquil pelican]

I don't know my winrate vs morty in 1v1 but all matches vs Morty have been absolute nailbiters

What's your rank?

[elfin valley]

I was 60k earlier today now im 150k

I looked at ur game history you lost only 2 games against morty

in 2v2s

[tranquil pelican]

🤔 Morty is a very difficult character. I think you need more practice. I have had Mortys that I couldnt even touch. Use your long-reach melee attacks more efficiently and use up/down attacks to your advantage

[elfin valley]

I dare you to play 1v1s with morty

[tranquil pelican]

I know what he is capable of. I am playing top players, Mortys included. His kit is well equipped to deal with Finns

[elfin valley]

I can beat a lvl 34 bugs but i cant beat a lvl 6 fin

[tranquil pelican]

That sounds like a major case of skill issue then.

Try learning Finn's attacks. It's all about practice.

[elfin valley]

fin, he is just overpowered

Dont lie fin can just sit on the ground and use the same move and hit delay does nothing to stop him

feedback - bring back assassin passive - assassins take 25% more damage

[tranquil pelican]

Yes, surely the guy in the top 500 overall in teams has no clue.
Man, you really just need to learn more. Don't get baited into fighting at the edge and learn the attack ranges

[elfin valley]

Good idea now im a batman main

[tranquil pelican]

Have fun with that

[elfin valley]

when i play with jake against fin its always a easy win but with morty nah

[tranquil pelican]

Some matchups are tougher, some easier. Just because your preferred charscter has a bad matchup against another, doesn't make that chsracter OP

Finn has loads of trouble dealing with Jakes, Harleys, Batmans but that doesn't instantly make them deserve a nerf

[cursive rain]

me back once again begging for a report unskilled player button

[solemn obsidian]

day 137 still no ranked but another character

[harsh thistle]

Can I ask what the purpose of this would be?

[cursive rain]

if a match has 3 skilled players and 1 toddler on a controller then that's an issue with the matchmaking and isn't fair to the player who's just getting absolutely dumpstered unable to play

and it's also not fair to the person who drops MMR solely due to matchmaking

[solemn obsidian]

maybe find some friends or solo q lmao

[cursive rain]

I have friends but they're not good at the game lol

so I don't play my high MMR characters with them

[stiff nest]

@solemn obsidian why would u want rank, so u can complain about the server stability more or how every character is balanced except for 3 out of the entire list? 🥸

[solemn obsidian]

what are you even talking about lmao. Who pays you to be a professional 🤡

[stiff nest]

u don't have to be paid to have common sense buddy 🥸

[solemn obsidian]

you cannot be top 5 million and have common sense, sorry buddy

[tiny snow]

batman needs to be nerfed, at least his speed please

[indigo flint]

harley is literally unpunishable unless you have armor

and the mallet is atrocious

[signal swallow]

Replays

plz

[harsh thistle]

I just watched one of the top10 best Stevens in America die to superman grabs at 30% twice.

This is quite literally not a skill issue and anyone who says It is, is just coping.

PRO PLAYERS ARE GETTING 2STOCKED.

Superman needs to be nerfed badly.

[eternal moon]

fix servers lol

[gentle zinc]

Agreed

[wheat pecan]

there are ranks and mmr in quick play so 🤷‍♂️

[forest socket]

aint rick dropping with ranked?

[crude phoenix]

Fix servers and nerf Harley, Batman, and Superman

[delicate ivy]

A few minor things that bug me. The fact that the voice packs don't replace the post-match lines.
The fact that some of the longer post-match voice lines are drowned out by the announcer voice.
The bots are really buggy, to say the least. As soon as both you and the bot are off-stage together, the bot instantly enters recovery mode. Making it do this weird ledge dash dance. This also applies for platforms.

[lament perch]

Buff arya in other places nerf hee thing where she can instant ko u

[stiff nest]

<@&882349260409032746>

[echo frost]

Thanks

[brave marlin]

Stop locking characters after we buy them

[vast quest]

good troll

[harsh thistle]

Once again, please nerf superman.

Me and my top100 friend just lost to a GARBAGE superman, destroying him 0-100% and then he grabs at 30% and that's the stock.

He's literally incredibly broken and it's not fair

[tranquil pelican]

I agree with this guy

[silver whale]

free rotation lasts too long please change it

[fading coyote]

Nerf Superman. When you're off of the stage, you literally have no chance at all to recover no matter what map you're on and what character you're playing as. His constant punches keep knocking you back, and not even Iron Giant can jump/fly over him because of his stupidly high jumps and his grab flying you right to the edge and getting you killed. No matches against Superman are ever fun

[harsh thistle]

https://streamable.com/qzb0h5

Nerf superman. NOW.

[smoky pecan]

Nerf bugs bunny, he's still way more OP than anyone else

[pseudo vigil]

Hit boxes are so ass on console and wonder woman op

[smoky pecan]

Finn and bugs are the main problems tbh

[eternal moon]

Can you speciffically tell us why like atk speed hitbox etc

[smoky pecan]

Bugs has better hitboxes than other characters, attacks hit mote frequently
Like Nakat said, Bugs can't really run out of air options because he can both glide and refresh them all with a rocket, meaning you can't edgeguard him, The safe is an incredibly strong move too that intercepts any attacks up or down, and controls the stage by being pushed.
The rocket can kill at ridiculously low damage and even if you hit him when he starts it, that doesn't refresh the cooldown

[wheat pecan]

dont want to be devil's advocate but bugs was nerfed heavily last patch, don't think he needs more nerfs, we dont want a character to become useless and have no potential in his kit

[eternal moon]

"Bugs has better hitboxes than other characters, attacks hit mote frequently" about that i would say on the rocket and some basic attacks but not really to bad like a superman hitbox or sum but it needs to be changed
"Like Nakat said, Bugs can't really run out of air options because he can both glide and refresh them all with a rocket" thats just bugs that isnt really busted and kinda essential he cant move during some moves so hes easily kicked out so he needs that (thats not busted thats just a strong aspect of his moves)
"The rocket can kill at ridiculously low damage and even if you hit him when he starts it, that doesn't refresh the cooldown" thats broken ur right but the rocket kinda needs the damage but less yes
So hitbox and damage nerf but not really too much i kinda agree with your take but also dont

[paper kestrel]

Why gizmo is so heavy

[plain ledge]

Hey PFG! I am very casual about this game (been playing like 20-30 minutes a day this season and QUITE A LOT last few days of the pre-season when I started.. yes I finished), so wanted to leave some feedback from someone's point of view who doesn't take MV overly seriously (completely non-competitive attitude towards it), but is still dedicated and a full supporter. Hope some that I'll say can be considered, or at the very least, read by you.

And before I start listing things I don't like, or want changed, I want to say I appreciate a lot of what this game does:
• Ultrawide support for a fighting game (something a lot of Japanese devs are ignoring, for no good reason) ;
• Possibility to progress both characters and battle pass versus bots (pvp only has added benefit of some extra gold) ;
• Free character selection with all their styles in The Lab (perfect as 'try before you buy' or just custom games) ;
• Somewhat acceptable battle pass implementation (though I dislike gated progression and exclusive content very much, at least there's stacking weeklies, so I don't really have to jump in every day and can probably finish the whole thing in the last few weeks if I wanted.. also grinding characters to lvl 15 takes quite a lot, so it lessens the blow of 'meaninglessly grinding dailies' for battle pass xp).

I find enough to like about this game, that I can put aside when I get frustrated with certain daily missions or just having a bad run some days.

Anyway, high praise out of the way, here's some things I would personally like to see changed/added/done:
• Consider battle passes (and all cosmetics) as permanent choice for the player, not timed exclusives! (Only game that i've known to do it sort of right, though in no means perfect, was Minecraft: Dungeons - you buy the 'seasonal' track, but can progress it whenever you want, and switch back and forth at will. Cosmetic exclusivity is f@#$ed concept - Don't do it!
• Add more stages.. ideally one themed stage per character! (Coming up with some static background and platforms is probably a fraction of the work that making and balancing a character takes. Not even asking for a full effort, just slight changes on current stages with different backgrounds would be really nice to add more feeling of variety.)
• Rethink daily missions / weekly milestones to be more varied, and also increase their visibility! ('Block as WW' as a daily is somewhat dull once I have her leveled and want to progress others.. might be better to 'play one game as support/tank/brawler'. Rerolling dailies sucks honestly and I wish I could progress all 6, not 3 at a time.. I'll put more playtime into this game earning gold and leveling characters anyway, just let me complete restricting daily missions faster. Also would be nice to see weekly milestones better between matches, not navigate into Battle Pass section constantly. Would be excellent to have the possibility to track some dailies or weeklies on screen even - would ask for pause menu, but apparently not a thing for bot matches even.)
• Make bots more varied and interesting! (Let them randomly choose any unlocked/bought outfit. Come up with more bot names. Make them emote at the end of the match, instead suiciding themselves like maniacs. Some balancing in their behaviour would be nice too.) - of all the things, I kind of want this the most, since after the first few pvp matches (getting matched against double lvl20 Bugsys and just seeing repeated meta selection) I ONLY PLAY VS BOTS and I'm happy this game can cater to both casual and competitive crowd.
• Take out 'the filler' from upcoming Battle Passes, or replace it with 'better stuff'! (You probably won't, I know. Nevertheless, things like stat counters and avatars/banners is lazy and not very interesting, and I think it should just be free for people who purchase/obtain their characters, or for low amounts of gold. Better to have 25 tiers of 'prime stuff', or make the full 50 much more interesting, with more skins/emotes/ringouts. Better track = more people interested in it!)
• Custom full 'bots vs bots' matches! (Its kind of doable in The Lab with one idle character - myself - and 3 bots fighting it out eternally, so would be nice to have a full 'bot vs bot' match that can just run in the background whilst I'm doing something else. I've always loved the spectacle of fighting games, but unfortunately so few fighting games allow CPU vs CPU, though it should be very easy to enable in all fighting games that have bots to fight against.)
• Take the game out of 'beta' and enable the store already! (I see it as a weak excuse for all the shortcomings, while the Seasons are in full effect. Pre-season was there to iron out the main issues and Season 1 should have been the proper release with all the features working properly. I'm giving feedback here now, but I honestly don't want to be a beta tester for any game that I pay for - not what I signed up for when I backed this game. I get that 'money is everything' these days, but I wish you had pushed back Season 1 until MV was proper ready. And please make the store reasonable in prices, without any extra layers of predatory mechanics!)

That's pretty much all I can think of now. Game is mostly fun and I hope it improves with you taking account of some player feedback as well. Batman is kinda annoying lol ("can't do this" ; "not ready that" ; "waah-waa-wah") 😄

[smoky pecan]

Some characters voice lines physically hurt my ears, e.g. Finn, Steven, Steven, Steven, Steven, Wonder Woman, Steven, Velma, Arya slightly and Steven

[void wigeon]

Just want to say one thing: there are no exclusive cosmetics besides Tech Test, Alpha Tester items/EVO items/Batman Day Profile Icon. BP items are not exclusive. quite interesting feedback tho

[signal laurel]

i think he hates steven voice lines

[gentle zinc]

not a dead game but go off

[signal laurel]

he wants supermans whole kit removed

[hollow lake]

Is it just me or is the game running horribly on xbox?

[gentle zinc]

I just want the armor nerfed or put on cooldown

[hollow lake]

Ive had great performance at the beginning of the game but now i run it at like 30 fps max

[glad thorn]

Can Finn's teleport be given a better animation? It might just be me but it looks like lag every time he uses it.

[smoky pecan]

Stevens voice lines in this game are a crime against humanity

[eternal moon]

And a disgrace for my ears

[smoky pecan]

Yeah

[wise schooner]

Insane that pretty much every single thing outside of the core gameplay itself has been wildly mismanaged. This game is so damn fun. But at this point, this genuinely feels bad. Not saying anything about servers in so long is in itself saying a whole lot.

I love this game. But it's very, very much in spite of itself.

[frail kindle]

Bro they show no typa love to bugs and u askin for another nerf? Gotta be a skill issue bro

[smoky pecan]

No

[boreal lion]

Bugs needed it

Most of the nerfs ended being pretty minimal anyway

[indigo dust]

Funny how this game is dying because they are so bad at balancing the game

Went from averging 50k to 8k

[boreal lion]

I'm not a player who usually struggles against grapplers like Superman and Iron Giant, but devs should consider making it so you can mash out of grabs for the health of the game like you can in smash (especially if they wanna keep air grabs in the game). counterplay beyond just don't get grabbed and would help deal with cheesy grab tactics that a ton of players struggle with since they usually work at low percent. Mashing out of certain attacks is already a thing and the game even tells you when you can mash out of something. In smash how much you need to mash to escape a grab is dependent on your damage and that should also apply if this is added.

[eternal moon]

please remove velma LMFAO

[rough mortar]

DID THEY FINALLY ADD CHARACTER SPECIFIC MMR????

im gonna be so happy if they did because thats the ONE thing i wanted

[void wigeon]

it always had but now you can see in-game

[hollow trail]

nerf superman his grap is OP 😤

[vast quest]

They had that at start the game lol

[hollow trail]

hey guys so saul goodman would make a good edition to the game pleaseeeeeeeeee put sau lgoodman from bcs and breaking bad into this amazing game 😄

[eternal moon]

Put lil yatcheeyyy in this freaked game right HECKONG now or else I will Uni ist all

[hollow trail]

Put nicki minaj in multiversus

[eternal moon]

ON GOD BRO 😭😭😭 if they ain’t put the QUEEN 💅in this game I’m uninstalling…

[paper kestrel]

put 144hz back 60 fps is ****

less projectiles in the game please this is too much

[void wigeon]

there was never an option to change FPS officially

[paper kestrel]

yeah you could put 144hz first weeks or 2

no fps cap

[void wigeon]

my point still stands. never had an option to change FPS officially

[paper kestrel]

you serious ? when you change to 144hz and you can support it .. it change fps

jeez...

[void wigeon]

the game always locked FPS at 60

[paper kestrel]

oh well man say what you want no point in argueing if you wont understand

[void wigeon]

you don't understand. you never could change FPS officially

[opal talon]

thats not why the games dying, honestly haven't played in so long because of the servers lmfao

[paper kestrel]

games dying 🤣 waiting not even 10 sec for match but the game is dying hahahahah

[wheat pecan]

actually it kinda is, if you look at the statistics

[indigo dust]

It is one of the reasons but not the only reason

[paper kestrel]

this was the new game hype ... its normal every game does this

[paper kestrel]

I still dont wait much for a game dont even have time to go in the lab almost so its not dying ...

[void wigeon]

<@&882349260409032746>

[glossy axle]

remove scooby haunted mansion

[ashen fox]

Is there a way to fix MMR? i keep getting matched up with players over 300 MMR more than me. like a setting to adjust MMR difference when matchmaking... i dont mind waiting longer for matches but 300+ MMR isn't even fun to play lol

[sage bluff]

remove treefort

[ashen fox]

1700mmr, 1900mmr, 1500mmr... doesn't matter than i'm 1200 lol. please adjust.

[peak ruin]

everygame since release I've had terrible ping in 1's and 2's. Im playing on my regions servers

so annoying after spending $150 on the DLC

[reef shadow]

character selection should be picked after map has been decided, nothing worse being forced to play velma on tree fort

[eternal moon]

delete my account with the email cause i cant now get in just delete my account cause it says email alr in use dm me if u and admin i will tell more

[solar crow]

It's fun that we get a new character every 2 weeks but what about stages? I'm getting bored of playing on the same 4 stages over and over again.

[harsh thistle]

It actually is why its dying, superman is the most broken character in the game

[solar crow]

Yeah, Superman can take someone out with only 60% damage by pushing someone off screen and there's seemingly no way to avoid that incoming attack.

[harsh thistle]

Batmans grapple NEEDS a cooldown.

[paper kestrel]

cooldown on superman command grab too ...

[fleet sphinx]

Honestly I feel like the battle pass should include gleamium

[upbeat rose]

It does, trillion percent needs gleamium

[fleet sphinx]

It not having gleamium is the only reasin I havent spent my money in multiversus yet.

Not only that but, the bp includes skins for character ppl dont own.

[cinder sable]

Nerf braindead spammable moves like taz’s tornado and all of Superman’s kit

[void wigeon]

then they only can put Wonder Woman skins. it's the only free character

[fleet sphinx]

Yea but whats the point of giving us skins when most skins most ppl got the characters for?

[void wigeon]

if you don't have the character, at least you have the skin if someday you want to use it and don't need to pay more Gleamium in it later

[final jacinth]

have they fix the lag in this game or its still broken?

[void wigeon]

lag is due to the servers not stable. the game is in Beta, it has stability issues but it is their priority

[copper wasp]

I don't know what was done after the supposed "c-stick fix" but now my game feels like it's constantly dropping inputs and doing attacks in the wrong directions

[final jacinth]

I was playing dragon ball the breakers open beta yesterday and it wasn't lagging this bad in that game plus I have wifi on my ps4. I'm not playing the game with one sided match causes me to lose every match because of lag.

[copper wasp]

lag has been an issue in this game ever since it was released so idk when it will be fixed

[cyan patrol]

It won't. They don't know how to make it any better. In fact since beta release its only gotten worse.

[stiff salmon]

will it be possible to get a legendary skin for Jake or batman samurai in the future ?

or are the skins from bp exclusive ?

[void wigeon]

Batman Ninja skin most likely will come to the game since it's in the trailer and it was during Tech Test and Alpha BP. Cake's skin will be able to get it in the future since BP items are not exclusive

[frail rain]

thats why they can just.......unlock the characters eventually?

Makes more sense than to just do it solely for characters everyone has by default, this criticism makes 0 sense

[eternal moon]

Finally people are willing to listen to criticism, now that Brawlhalla has double the current playercount

[night schooner]

add deaths to end game stats

[eternal moon]

Nerf Superman. When you're off of the stage, you literally have no chance at all to recover no matter what map you're on and what character you're playing as. His constant punches keep knocking you back, and not even Iron Giant can jump/fly over him because of his stupidly high jumps and his grab flying you right to the edge and getting you killed. No matches against Superman are ever fun

[eternal moon]

Nerf Superman. When you're off of the stage, you literally have no chance at all to recover no matter what map you're on and what character you're playing as. His constant punches keep knocking you back, and not even Iron Giant can jump/fly over him because of his stupidly high jumps and his grab flying you right to the edge and getting you killed. No matches against Superman are ever fun

[wheat pecan]

I absolutely despise this game's matchmaking @ devs

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/match/63309958898fed388d0a7591

if this is not fixed soon I am just uninstalling

[coral forum]

can we get the thing to send discord party invites

[hollow trail]

Yah man!

[flat zodiac]

superman is not that good i promise you

[smoky pecan]

To be honest people are overlooking LeBron right now he's incredibly OP

[tranquil pelican]

lmao that was rather balanced. Both of your MMRs add up to the same number

[candid ridge]

Some recommendation :
1: Add tech option after getting more than 4 hit combo for remove infinite groundspike combo.
2 : Add a little hitbox on reindog up B startup
3 : add an explosion hitbox on reindog hearts stop( apparition only ) when Neutral special is used.
4: correct some hitbox like fin Dair as example.

[harsh thistle]

^^^

[harsh thistle]

You must've fought a lvl1 superman because yes he is that good. He's busted.

[flat zodiac]

i fight double digits on the daily you guys are overreacting

[harsh thistle]

Double digits? I'm a top100 steven and I fight 1800mmr Supermen on the daily.

We are not over-reacting, he is busted.

[flat zodiac]

how come everyone was so happy about a dodge button and yet wont use it when it solves all the problems

[harsh thistle]

Yes, just read your opponents mind aye

In that case, why not make superman's move all instantly KILL, all you have to do is dodge right? 😂😂

[flat zodiac]

you’re twistin my words brother

[flat zodiac]

double digits as in level 15, 24, 30, etc

[harsh thistle]

LOL?

My opponents are lvl 30 MINIMUM

[flat zodiac]

cool

i fight them as well and the dodge button solos

[harsh thistle]

You have not fought a superman that knows what he's doing. Clearly.

[flat zodiac]

ive fought many

one of em hit me with the NASTIEST wall combo ive ever seen

[wheat pecan]

look at their profiles

they are top 1%

top 7k vs top 500k

and no it wasnt balanced at all

the game shouldn't match you on character specific mmr, it should be account bound mmr

we managed to take 1 game from them and then this scrub switched characters and were both abusing batman/superman combo, killing us on 50 hp

[cyan patrol]

Can we all join together in telling them the matchmaking and lag should be the 2 highest priorities

[flat zodiac]

what lag

i never seen any 🤷‍♂️

[harsh thistle]

It's like all you do is disagree with other people's feedback, that's not what this channel is for

[flat zodiac]

feedback is mostly full of skill issues and many others agree with that

[flat zodiac]

i aint even disagree all i said was i dont get any lag

[harsh thistle]

There's no "skill issue" about lag or dying at 0% to one grab.

[flat zodiac]

thats not even possible

[harsh thistle]

I literally have it on recording. Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

[flat zodiac]

ima need that proof

[harsh thistle]

On stages with low floor blast zones like scoobies, superman's upb kills you on ledge at 0%

[flat zodiac]

have you considered not going there

[harsh thistle]

Sending it right now.

[cyan patrol]

Dude you never looked. You can see clips on YouTube easy. Why post when you have no idea what you're talking about

[harsh thistle]

"Have you considered not going there"

That's like if they made superman's moves do 1000 damage per hit, and when someone complains you say "Have you considered not getting hit?" ☠️

[flat zodiac]

if yoy’re getting hit with one of the oldest tricks in platform fighter history you might deserve it

[harsh thistle]

If that trick is a one-shot instant kill, it's not fair and it's not justified.

[flat zodiac]

its only a one shot cause you let it happen

[harsh thistle]

You're the type of player that makes games stay in a bad state.

[harsh thistle]

That's like if they made superman's moves do 1000 damage per hit, and when someone complains you say "Have you considered not getting hit?"

"It only killed you because you let yourself be hit once"

[flat zodiac]

if you willingly went to the ledge with a superman KNOWING that the grab could cost your life

you deserve it

[harsh thistle]

The grab SHOULDN'T cost your life, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

[flat zodiac]

it doesnt

[harsh thistle]

ONE MOVE SHOULD NOT MEAN DEATH

[harsh thistle]

YES IT DOES.

[flat zodiac]

nobody dies like that unless you’re kissing the blast zone

[harsh thistle]

https://streamable.com/qzb0h5

[lone apex]

I simply CANNOT use the brunhild skin because you didn't animate the wings on the helmet in place of Bugs' ears for his glide and on-cooldown side and up special

[harsh thistle]

IT KILLS AT 0% FROM ON-STAGE, You have clearly just started playing the game today.

[flat zodiac]

that guy could’ve jumped, dodged, anything

the hell was the point of that

[harsh thistle]

NO. I COULD NOT.

I WAS STILL IN HITSTUN

[flat zodiac]

while you were moving around clearly

[harsh thistle]

I could not have jumped, dodged, NOTHING

[flat zodiac]

yeah ok I believe that

[harsh thistle]

? I'm talking about the second half of the clip.

In the first half I had no upb's or jumps or dodges left due to that disjointed hitbox.

[flat zodiac]

you only used the move once and yet you had nothing?

you were on the ground before so you surely had other moves to work with

[harsh thistle]

I used it twice, and steven's latest patch notes stop him recovering after he uses it twice

[harsh thistle]

No I was NOT on the ground before that, before that I was also in the air

As you can hear from the error sound effect when I tried to jump, airdodge or upb

[flat zodiac]

the side b launch trajectory indicates you were on the ground

so that must be a bug

[harsh thistle]

You may be correct, there is a bug that disallows steven from recovering randomly, lots of other steven players have reported it.

[flat zodiac]

oh word?

[harsh thistle]

But that's beside the point, the point is that on stages like scoobies, the floor blast zone is so low that superman's up-b instantly kills at 0 if hit

[flat zodiac]

bold of you to assume anyone can make it outside of the mansion

like good lord let me breathe

[flat zodiac]

actually tho that is true

cant say the same for other maps

[amber anchor]

Please fix these servers. Every single game is laggy.

[void wigeon]

it is their priority but the game is in Beta so it has stability issues

[lone hazel]

<@&882349260409032746> This isn't okay, is it?

Swift work, I like it

[strong cove]

What???

[chrome bridge]

You should redo Harley’s profile icon it’s kinda bad compared to the other ones :/

[opaque dawn]

please for the love of christ let us see the ping. im gonna dro pthis game cause of connection issues with jerry from JUPITER

[covert eagle]

There needs to be a delay on batman's projectile. It comes out way too fast and is way too oppressive. You should have an opportunity to counterplay it, but as it is right now, there's none. If it was like reindog where he has to have an initial charge up before he can throw it, I feel like it would be balanced.

[broken dagger]

<@&882349260409032746>

[vast geyser]

Literally killing itself with this lag try playing new character so mmr is low and all of my matches keep teleporting around when ever I queue at the low mmr player but not my higher mmr players ontop of the servers already being terrible no updates from the devs about anything this game is not gonna make it another 3 months the way its headed

[void wigeon]

servers are not stable, the game is in Beta but it is their priority as they already said it. Tony says a lot of stuff on Twitter and if you don't have Twitter you can still see in #pfg-tweets and I understand there could be a few news in-game. the game has been out for 2 months in Beta so just wait

[vast geyser]

Just super annoying every game teleporting players recently is just a joke I run speedtest etc my side is fine very frustrating

[forest crescent]

supermans grab needs a cooldown or sum the facts i can get grabbed 5 times in a row and throw out the map at 25 dmg is stupid

[vast geyser]

Press Dodge

[brisk harness]

Personally, i believe the Battle Pass should be extended to a larger number like 100. I finished 0-50 with still 2 months remaining on the pass, it feels like when you get to level 50 you have no real reason to play (Unless in the future the shops will sell some skins for Gold instead of Gleamium)

It just feels like it punishes for Playing the game too much. It rewards you for taking breaks with the whole "Rested" mechanic which i applaud, but perhaps either a Gold boost after finishing the battle pass or some more items in the battle pass would make the game more playable in the long run, Just to keep the players who are mainly dragged into the game due to the cool cosmetics you can acquire throughout playing. because currently it feels like i am just waiting for December

Other than that i have no major criticisms. Great game!

[void wigeon]

agree. but why are you waiting for December?

[brisk harness]

Pass ends in November, I assume the next pre-season/Season 2 battle pass would be in December. Still playing the game though cuz i love it 🙂

[void wigeon]

next Season probably starts when this Season ends, it's not going to take that long. it's probably the same day or 1 day later this one ends, doesn't make sense to wait that much

[brisk harness]

We Can hope!

[void wigeon]

Season 1 started the day Preseason ended and it doesn't make sense to wait that much, so 99% chance of starting the same day or 1 day later

[brisk harness]

Again, i hope that is the case! either way i'm still gonna play constantly, just not as much as when there was a bp motivating me

[amber rover]

scooby mansion and treefort definitely should be removed from online matchmaking in 2v2s. They are just so horribly balanced for some characters, especially when there is an iron giant

[opaque dawn]

110% AGREE

[amber rover]

like they are pretty maps, but are literally THE WORST when it comes to being balanced. They give insane disadvantages, especially to iron giant because he can't properly escape up/dair spam and gets comboed instantly to 100-200+ and then just cheese because he can't properly recover on those maps (mainly scooby mansion)

[opaque dawn]

no argument here. especially tired of getting them twice in bo3. i absolutely despise them and they show no skill imo

[amber rover]

I mean they kind of show skill, but only with certain characters. As an iron giant main, I truly believe scooby mansion should be removed from the game entirely tho lmao unless I am facing another ig, I just get comboed to 200+ and cheesed

[queen summit]

I like mansion but not one of the treefort layouts

[opaque dawn]

shaggy side b cool down to try and keep it from being the only move shaggy players use

considering the peanut for brains isnt too big maybe they can comprehend another move or two

[lone apex]

Revert taz's tornado to no cool down now that the game isn't 2 weeks old and people don't have the excuse of a NON-OBVIOUS KNOWLEDGE CHECK

Taz is the only character in the game punished for having moves on cooldown while characters like Arya, Bugs and Garnet are actually rewarded with decent, and in some cases better, moves. You need to fix this.

[lone hazel]

Laughs in Iron Giant

[proper oak]

Batarang cooldown nerf

Yknow what nerf batman entirely

[smoky pecan]

Nah batman solos

[maiden spindle]

balance game pls 😄

[maiden spindle]

just jump over it

[boreal lion]

Remove mansion entirely tbh

Tree fort is worse in 2s but it sucks in 1s too way too small of a stage

[opaque dawn]

jUsT jUmP oVeR iT

brilliant

[boreal lion]

you can hit shaggy kick with a projectile or use an attack that outranges it

the hitbox update made it easier to challenge

[lilac vine]

It'd be nice to have the option of showing a log of all the button inputs in the lab

[deep flare]

kill Harley Quinn

and nerf the hell out of Batman

[lone hazel]

[Scottish accent] "Kill Jester."

[night schooner]

eyebrow raised rock taunt for black adam

[empty mountain]

People don't get skins for every character in the game. You generally have one or two favourites.

[paper kestrel]

Explain me the difference between tornado and cloud ??

[lone hazel]

Tornado is useful even while on cooldown, but can be dodged through (unless you're Iron Giant, RIP).
Dogpile is almost impossible to contest without projectiles or serious disjoints and lasts stupidly long, basically just forcing you to move around it, which isn't too hard, considering how slow it is. It comes out faster if you get hit by the initial swipes, though.

Both terrifyingly powerful, especially in off-stage interactions. A dogpile can probably ruin a lot of players' recovery from below ledge

[wheat pecan]

what cooldown? taz can spam it over and over

[lone hazel]

A weaker version of it, yes

For more info, check Taz's move list in-game

(Probably? Might have to check patch notes for the exact details)

Or ask in the Taz channel or something

[vast geyser]

Using arya is litterally impossible with these laggy servers and people if u use her up special against them lagging u always end up above them every single time

Explains Why, Tony sitting there "FIXING HER" while watching an anime explains entire game every time a patch releases

[oblique ferry]

The amount of times I had to restart the game because it just breaks everytime is so weird I feel like it's still supposed to be in alpha

[vast geyser]

Yea especially with servers ontop of that legit so bad at sometimes its not even fun

[paper kestrel]

what is wrong with this game everytime i change it to High graphic and remove vertival sync i reset the game and it revert me to very high and vertical sync on

seriously....

[wide vector]

can we please get more counters to armored attacks. Im so done with dealing with armor spamming supermans its not fun to play against.

[vast geyser]

Armored attacks shouldn't even be a thing tbh

[lone hazel]

Just dodge and punish

[median zenith]

stop making it so i cant tab out

[cinder sable]

Garnet going to be the new spamming armored character smh. And why TF are they buffing the hell out of gizmo!?

[vast geyser]

please nerf morty a sped can play him just spamming grenades chair and dodge 24/7

[lament perch]

Nerf taz

Tornado

[snow acorn]

fix the ps4 servers, I keep falling out of the matches and the connection is bad even with a good internet

[copper wasp]

Here's a little feedback:

• I don't know if the game uses SBMM since there is no official info on it (would like to hear about it), but I assume it does since it felt like it was there a few patches ago. However after your most recent update to the MMR system I feel like it hasn't worked at all since I've been facing opponents from wildly different skill levels.

• I'd like to hear about progress and/or ETA for the promised features releasing in season 1. Personally I'm mostly interested in ranked since I've gotten to a point where playing feels like a grind without any incentive other than getting levels and it's getting really stale. The SBMM issue doesn't help with this at all since I'm not getting fair matchups to keep the matches interesting and competitive. This also gets worse with the implementation of doubling the required XP.

• I personally feel like I'm already playing a lot to get the character up to level 15. Required XP could be increased, sure, but I think doubling the requirement is too much. I'm in the top minority with my playtime so I can't imagine how bad it must feel for the average player to try to grind for XP after the upcoming update.

• Server and/or netcode issues have been persistent since the launch of the open beta. I think this is a core gameplay issue that needs to be looked into with a higher priority since I haven't heard anything regarding the matter. Same as with promised features applies here; I would really like to see or hear some progress updates to know that you guys are aware of this and working on making it better. I have patience but not knowing if this is even being looked into makes me kind of hopeless.

• Currently there's a visual bug with character XP not updating correctly after playing a match. This used to work properly but broke at some point. I believe there's a similar issue with gold as well but I'm unsure on how it exactly updates.

• I would love to see even the tiny technical patches being mentioned on your official website instead of mentioning them via Twitter posts like they don't matter. I'm a patch note nerd and trying to scroll through Twitter or Discord to find info about some tiny bug fix is really tedious

[void wigeon]

Tony already said netcode is their priority, so wdym they never said anything about it?

[copper wasp]

I wouldn't know, I don't actively follow Tony's Twitter account and I can't find any recent mentions about it either

[void wigeon]

they posted in #pfg-tweets

[copper wasp]

Makes for another point; I'm just the average community member and I'd really like a clearer channel for what PFG is up to, I don't want to have to go through a whole Twitter page to find stuff

[copper wasp]

like I said I can't find any recent mentions about it and I'm not going to go on a manhunt just to find the one tweet where Tony said so ages ago

[candid elk]

Servers lately 👎👎👎

[void wigeon]

He said it last update -> #pfg-tweets message

[wheat pecan]

The XP required to go from level 3 - 15 on the character mastery track has been doubled We were finding that players could get to level 15 of the mastery track too quickly. This is to help us make it a bit more of a journey.

I don't agree with this change.

this is especially frustrating for people who play multiple characters

[copper wasp]

Thank you for informing me, but I don't care when he said so. My whole point was about wanting progress/roadmap transparency. Same goes for ranked and new characters (and new content in general); I have no clue when to expect them coming, so if the devs want to keep releasing updates with a day's notice then I'm definitely gonna lose interest since I have nothing to anticipate.

Like I also mentioned earlier; I'm sure the devs are aware of the netcode issues but them saying that "they're working on it" doesn't really mean anything when I have no clue if I have to wait for weeks or months for a fix to a core gameplay issue which plays a huge role in making the game unfun for me

Right now I'm just gonna have to assume that it's gonna be months before the game has stable netcode and ranked which are the 2 core features I want from this game

[elder sail]

Please revert the XP requirements for Level 15. That is so dumb.

[eternal moon]

Wait, if people keep leaving the game, then how are people leveling up too fast? Is Tony just catering to the people who are staying? That's not smart...

[wheat pecan]

I don't see how anyone wins in this scenario

if people leave, the ones that stay won't have anyone to play with

[eternal moon]

Yeah, I'm at a loss. This game is losing people and leveling up is too easy? Why did people leave, then?

[lone hazel]

Probably not because they thought leveling up took too long

[wheat pecan]

well to be honest they didn't leave because of the leveling, the servers and matchmaking is the general issue

[lone hazel]

Also hype. People wanna try out the new thing and it's not for everyone

[wheat pecan]

but this change doesn't help anyone

they should've added more rewards pass level 15 instead of making it harder to get to level 15

[eternal moon]

right, but people won't come back if perks are even harder to get.

[lone hazel]

Idk about that

[eternal moon]

The folks playing now, who already have the characters at 15, are lifers. They're playing for the long haul.

But it'll be hard for new people to get into the scene when there will be a majority playing at level 15 with the OG 18 characters with the old school XP increase

[lone hazel]

Perks aren't game-changing

We're talking 2,5% overall damage

Per perk

Signatures are relevant. All the more reason to give people more time to use each individual one before they receive the next

This change also makes it so that players will stay much longer if they want to get every character to level 15

We'll have to see how it works out

[eternal moon]

I think the XP change was a Warner Brothers decision. It'll slow down coin gain, too. Just like the new Golden Reindog skin will be the Fred Icon of skins (because it's a gold outfit)

Because I can't genuinely believe Tony cares that much about too many people reaching level 15 mastery too quickly.

[lone hazel]

It's kinda like going "Oh, we've let people play the game for 2 months and they've already got 100% completion on it... might wanna double that to better match our original vision"

[eternal moon]

Maybe, but I think the game's original vision included a story mode with Reindog as protagonist, so we're doing the best we can with what we got. (I'm assuming, especially with the quickly-put-together rick teaser with in-game models.)

[wheat pecan]

what is 100% completion? reaching level 15 on every character and having all unlocked? because the average person wouldn't have done that

these tryhards evo esports players are the ones that have done that but the majority of regular players haven't

[lone hazel]

And that's great. Then they can take the full year they're expected to

I wasn't talking about average players with the 2 months thing.

[wheat pecan]

if they release a character every 2-3 weeks they will never get 100% completion in a year

[eternal moon]

exactly. I don't get why Tony seems to be catering to them. Are they thinking they'll fund the game until there's enough stuff for normies? Because winning back normies will take a lot more than just more characters and higher XP walls.

OR maybe development on new characters is slowing down, and this is the precursor...

[lone hazel]

The Rick teaser was a treat we could've not had. Before the Gizmo reveal, Tony stated teasers were a thing they eventually wanted to do, but didn't wanna spend too many resources on too soon... and yet here we are, getting teasers. Let's not be too picky

[wheat pecan]

probably

i never expected them to release that many so fast

[eternal moon]

Oh, I was implying the teaser was mandated by Warner Bros

[lone hazel]

Idk about it

I don't think PFG intended for the average player to get 100% completion

[wheat pecan]

a teaser would be something we dont know about

we absolutely knew about rick coming next

like the gizmo teaser was unexpected

[lone hazel]

I think PFG intended for the average player to get the rewards for their characters when they played them an appropriate amount and they think this is right

If you want a game where you can complain about how hard it is to grind for 100% completion, play Brawlhalla

MV is pretty tame in comparison

[wheat pecan]

comparing apples to oranges and you defending them on this is pretty bad

instead of saying they should add more rewards pass level 15, you are defending them on adding twice more xp requirement instead which hurts the average person and will just make more people one trick ponies

add things to grind for, dont take away the levels people already earned, it's absolutely horrendous game design

[lone hazel]

More like comparing two different types of apples. I don't think defending a decision made by the developers is a bad thing, either

On top of that, I wouldn't necessarily say it hurts anyone at all

Are you saying it hurts to play the game more?

The entire point of a game is having fun. If that lasts longer, that's a good thing

We also have no confirmation it doesn't take away levels, do we?

Pretty sure it's a system based on one total pool of experience. It would have to increase our experience points to keep up with the difference if we were to keep our levels

Or levels previously acquired cost less experience for the people who got them before the patch and the total exp required for any level is completely thrown off-balance

If that's how they handled it, sure, that's poor game design, but let's not make too many assumptions at PFG's expense