bugs-and-stuff

[dreamy sandal]

this is it now

thanks for explaining

[dim pier]

👍

[serene wren]

[vernal olive]

yeah the AK on his looks different

[serene wren]

anyways, non sub (editors) can't add 0-width emotes to a subbed channel

subbed editors can add 0-width emotes to a non sub channel

[dreamy sandal]

yeah it's the ak from rust

[pure oxide]

um it doesnt look evenly spaced

[deep sinew]

Their centers are though 🤓

But yeah that’s not the ideal spacing

That’s literally not grammar in the slightest

[serene wren]

i dont even think their centers are perfectly spaced

[deep sinew]

Measure it in photoshop

They might not be

[pure oxide]

dank ass spacing

[serene wren]

[high pivot]

text-align: center;

[deep sinew]

Total distance looks consistent to me.

Still not the correct way to do it. Imagine if a paint name was longer than Lavender Field

[high pivot]

width: auto;
justify-content: space-between;
or just some good old fashioned padding should fix

Anson you have the best badge

[deep sinew]

:ripbozo: contributor badge

[serene wren]

[deep sinew]

jk I liked the contributor badge :(

[high pivot]

contributor badge pathetic

[serene wren]

contributor should be on top of artist badge tho 🤔 contributor in general, including art, code,...

[pure oxide]

contribution by complaining

[high pivot]

by that logic 21mtd should definitely have one

[serene wren]

i didnt contribute shits

[slate locust]

fix

haveing page buttons in middle is weird

[serene wren]

why FeelsLagMan not working in chat? its just invisible

nvm only this one https://7tv.app/emotes/60ae9173f39a7552b68f9730

[slate locust]

iierbpaggijgb

[serene wren]

for others too

it shows thumbnail in chatterino tho

feature

[slate locust]

been happen for a bunch o0f emotes since reproccessing

[serene wren]

so its a known issue

[drifting flint]

can't use emote... O.o

[slate locust]

is this for a channel you are editor for?

[drifting flint]

yes

but he himself cant add emotes

[slate locust]

oh

have him try old.7tv.app

[drifting flint]

this works. thank you !

[humble pelican]

whats the error?

[drifting flint]

this is the error

there's no name to add the emote. even he cant add to his own channel

[humble pelican]

streamer would need to create an emote set

which he would be prompted to

[drifting flint]

with old.7tv it'S working

[humble pelican]

old.7tv is going away soon though

it's not a fix

[drifting flint]

but a workdaround for the next 5 minutes to setup the emotes for him 😄

there's no error...
just this empty entry

[humble pelican]

so when the streamer tried to add an emote himself, he wasn't prompted to create an emote set?

[drifting flint]

correct

[humble pelican]

seems unlikely

but i'll check if theres an issue which i doubt

[drifting flint]

for me it looks like

bit for him it's only use emote and then he cant take a choice

[humble pelican]

did he only try with the context menu

[drifting flint]

its empty

[humble pelican]

and not the main emote page

give me the username pls

[drifting flint]

mortabol

[humble pelican]

ok so did he try at all adding an emote through a main page?

instead of the context menu

[drifting flint]

he tried with right click on emote

[humble pelican]

okay

thats why then

otherwise it would've prompted to create a set

[humble pelican]

next time please avoid saying this

[slate locust]

ok

it still doesnt work usign the main page

[humble pelican]

?

how do you get that

[slate locust]

i click add emote

[humble pelican]

wut

[slate locust]

"use emote"

on my bot account

[humble pelican]

whats the name of it

[slate locust]

MrDestrucEg

[humble pelican]

ah

k i know i think

its because you have a different set selected that persisted from your other account

[slate locust]

[humble pelican]

nvm it's not that

idk then

it should prompt you to create a set

are you logged in as that account?

[slate locust]

yeah

[humble pelican]

ok i can reproduce it now

idk why that broke

i'll go fix

[slender minnow]

I can't seem to disable this emote because of its name https://7tv.app/emotes/611934f54a20425cff0638d0

[delicate pebble]

what?

[slender minnow]

it gives me an invalid name error

[delicate pebble]

want me to try to remove it for you?

im actually curious if i can remove it for you

[slender minnow]

Yes please!

[slate locust]

i cant even add it

[delicate pebble]

wanna add me as editor?

same user as here

[slender minnow]

added

[delicate pebble]

@slender minnow 🤜 🔔

ok cool

wtf?

[slender minnow]

LULE

[gleaming abyss]

[delicate pebble]

well good to know then

[slender minnow]

I guess if I can't add it back I don't know if I want to remove it yet

[delicate pebble]

do you not want it?

[slate locust]

exclusive emote

[slender minnow]

right now I dont want it but I might want it later so in case it's bugged forever I'll keep it for now

[delicate pebble]

[slate locust]

i have a global emote added

[delicate pebble]

ill remove myself as editor for you @slender minnow

[slender minnow]

I just did it

thanks

[delicate pebble]

nice

[slate locust]

just add it before its marked as global

[sharp patrol]

emote i deleted a while ago is still in my "owned emotes"
https://7tv.app/emotes/62bcc46e9882dfa63c815175

and i cant delete it

i went to old 7tv and still cant delete it from there

[serene wren]

weird, i renamed it to "test" and its added with the original name

[slate locust]

ahhh

i cant remove

it added as test for me

[serene wren]

shit

dont rename the second time, cant go back to original name

[slate locust]

i know

i tred

[serene wren]

unlucky

[slate locust]

elp

[serene wren]

help

[humble pelican]

using exploits, don't care if your shit's broken now

[slate locust]

clicking add emote = using exploit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/968927410613522464.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[humble pelican]

exploit by proxy

[serene wren]

what proxy?

[slate locust]

i thought maybe this could work

[humble pelican]

troll complete, returning to hq

[serene wren]

[dim pier]

Wait is it still there?

[slate locust]

yeah

[dim pier]

Aight I'm gonna try some stuff

[dim pier]

[slate locust]

of course this is supas emote

[dim pier]

Yeah

[slate locust]

mf breaks everything

[dim pier]

he does a little

[buoyant wind]

CLASSIC

[half meteor]

hi i just unlinked my acc and getting this message {"status_code":500,"status":"Internal Server Error","error":"Internal Server Error: Database Write Failed (user, stat)","error_code":70500} i just saw someone had the same issue but i think you removed the dc sign in again is there any chance to add it back or i just have to wait

[trail cedar]

idk that emote is weird, i tested that emote and it doesnt work

[slate locust]

only way too add with by alias

but cant remove

[pure oxide]

when do you get this message

[half meteor]

when i try to login

[pure oxide]

looks like you only have youtube connected

[half meteor]

yeah i just unlinked my twitch when i was try to do something and i cant login now

[humble pelican]

right click on the sign in button then click use discord

oh wait

youtube yea unlucky then

[half meteor]

so im stuck here

[pure oxide]

is the unlink warning gone or what @humble pelican

i thought it was impossible to lock yourself out

[humble pelican]

youtube oauth2 isn't a thing currently because it requires going through a whole process to get approved to use it

[half meteor]

surely noone can lock themself out

[humble pelican]

the system lets you unlink connections only if you have other connections enabled, which is intended

however youtube cant be used to sign in

so if your only connection is youtube then it is a lockout

[slate locust]

its a new site, these things happen

[humble pelican]

i guess for now i could hard prevent unlinking twitch if only yt is left, but yea

[pure oxide]

oh well

[humble pelican]

i should also at least fix the 500 error / generate a random username so it lets you log into a new account at least

[half meteor]

what if i just destroy my yt channel

and since its gone its not linked

so guys its not a good idea to do that it doesn't work

[serene wren]

can mods remove emote from a channel? elpppppp

[dim pier]

Which one

[serene wren]

the supa one

[dim pier]

No

[serene wren]

[serene wren]

add emote to set popup bug

[humble pelican]

already fixed

[serene wren]

[buoyant wind]

https://7tv.app/emotes/6300ea6f39238491a9b51a2d got this bug again where i upload a png and it looks like that

this is on the site

[humble pelican]

actually interesting the webp/avif are broken but not png https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/6300ea6f39238491a9b51a2d/4x.png

[buoyant wind]

happened to me when i uploaded

had to be converted to a different format

[humble pelican]

something your software is doing isn't being received well by the processor it seems

[buoyant wind]

im using photoshop

idk

[weary trout]

if you add any version of an emote, the chat will auto-update with the original 1st version of the emote. You have to manually F5 to see the correct added version

[buoyant wind]

it's because the image was on 16 Bits/Channel

changed it to 8 and it works now

[deep sinew]

Imagine not supporting 16 bpp omegalul

[humble pelican]

what would be the point of 16 bits per channel? no monitors or human eyes support that

unless youre a tetrachromat

[deep sinew]

No noise on badges, for one ;)

Also no a tetrachromat would probably just see more frequencies of light, not more precision.

[humble pelican]

huh

wdym no noise on badges

[deep sinew]

be me
a normie trichromat
can see 8 bits per channel banding on gradients easily

[deep sinew]

That noise you noticed on my badges was caused by dithering a color to 8 bpc

At 16 bits it was invisible

[humble pelican]

that seems like an efficiency problem

[deep sinew]

Nope.

That’s just how low the resolution is of 8 bit color

[humble pelican]

yes
if you have to double the amount of bits per channel, which is absolutely unnecessary given nothing visually supports it, it means the way you did something isn't efficient

[deep sinew]

No, the color difference between those pixels was 1 shade. It doesn’t get any better than that.

If you’re saying it shouldn’t be dithered, you’re not correct.

Because that would look way worse in every other situation

Dithering is necessary for 8 bit/channel images to look nice

[humble pelican]

i dont see why that would make a difference

[deep sinew]

I’ll whip up some examples when I get home

[humble pelican]

whole new level, he's complaining about something that only people with an unbelievably rare mutation could possibly take notice of

not only rare, but also can only affect women, which makes it even less likely to be notable for a 7TV user

[deep sinew]

Again, you don’t need to be a tertrachromat to see the difference between 2 8-bit colors. Particularly at the darker end of the spectrum, where the 2.2 sRGB gamma makes the color differences wider.

You yourself commented on the noise in the dark gray of the badge designs. That is the limit of 8-bit colors.

[humble pelican]

is it because of a limit or because you're putting a range that is way too wide

aka bad efficiency

[deep sinew]

Inspect it in Photoshop

[humble pelican]

i use linux

[deep sinew]

Wine runs Photoshop these days

Although it needs a little bit of elbow grease

But use gimp or photopea then

[humble pelican]

as if i have time for that

[deep sinew]

Then hire expert consultants in the subject who do have time for it ;)

[humble pelican]

idk i cant understand your point, monitors work with RGB, each pixel work by changing the three 8-bit values of red, green and blue

anything beyond that cannot be seen on a monitor

[deep sinew]

Tons of LCD panels are actually only 6 bits or something, and they just dither the colors to get 8 bits

But true 8 bit monitors exist too

But generally they’re higher end

Temporal dithering (changing noise patterns every frame) is imperceptible in most cases, so most people will never know their monitor isn’t true 8-bit

[humble pelican]

okay so then how is making an image far beyond the acceptable range of the average monitor going to perceptible

aside from making the file bigger in size

[deep sinew]

Because temporal dithering is magical and can make images look better even on an 8 bit monitor

It has something to do with linear vs sRGB gamma

me :)

🤓 18x18 pixels actually

Anatole is technically the one that originally pixel complained about the dithering noise

It wasn’t actually a complaint. He just mentioned the noise

[humble pelican]

ok but i still refuse to believe it's necessary to double the fucking channel bit size to remove noise

[deep sinew]

It’s not. 10 bits would be plenty

That’s why HDR monitors are 10 bits

The original point was that the image processor doesn’t support downsampling 16 bits to 8 bits

[humble pelican]

think its something to do with the X chromosome or whatever nerd shit

[deep sinew]

That’s tetrachromacy and it’s unrelated to anything we’re discussing

[summer terrace]

checkbox disappears when emote slots are filled which can be misleading if you want to remove an emote that's already added

[weary trout]

yeah idk why there's not a replace button for conflict as well

[summer terrace]

yea

[wise violet]

I'm joining in on your pixel complaint late

dithering wouldnt be a problem if you actually worked in an 8bit space

dithering is only neccissary when converting

if you made the gradient directly in 8 bit then the pixels would already be the right shade

and not some middle shade

blender designer problems

[vernal olive]

can I get a conclusion on who's in the right here

[slate locust]

I don't even know they are talking about

[vernal olive]

I sort of understand but I don't see any dithering on the badges

[deep sinew]

Blender runs 32 bit color depth internally IIRC

[wise violet]

ik

which is why your getting dithering

[deep sinew]

Also I don’t think I agree with your assertion

[wise violet]

because its creating imaginary middle shades

gradients are just stepped blending

stepped by the amount of pixels

the correct action would be to clamp

however whatever software your using/blenders output is dithering

because it thinks thats what you want

[vernal olive]

clap your cheeks melon

[wise violet]

(because it would be what you want for a 3d render or otherwise photorealistic scene)

[slate locust]

Photorealistic badges

[deep sinew]

So you’re saying that they should redesign every component of blender to operate in an 8 bit/channel mode, and restrict every color to the 8 bpc color palette with no dithering.

I think you’re crazy but that’s ok.

[slate locust]

or just make a toggle

[deep sinew]

Well having something to toggle would require them to actually redesign every component

I don’t think it’s as easy as just telling it “ok operate in 8 bpc now” since afaik 8bpc is always fixed precision while 32bpc is floating point values for colors. I might be completely wrong about that though.

Say you have 256 shades of gray: those are only evenly spaced when displayed linearly right? Once the sRGB transform is applied, the darker colors become much farther away from each other, creating much more noticeable banding or dithering. I mention this because blender also operates in a linear color space internally.

[slate locust]

Just make it work

[nocturne crater]

https://7tv.app/emotes/603caf21c20d020014423c16 Why does this have dots in the corners now

[slate locust]

It always has

[nocturne crater]

someone fix it I'll give you $5

[vernal olive]

encoding artifacts

actually I'm pretty sure that one was re-encoded like 3 times

does anyone have the original video of billy doing that btw?

I could try making BillyApprove that's less scuffed

[buoyant wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wteUTv9m26c

best one i could find

[vernal olive]

no way that's the source

[buoyant wind]

wdym

[vernal olive]

lq + lasts shorter than the emote

there has to be a better video

[buoyant wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX8YKHgITX4 idk but you can probably make as a better version with this one

[gleaming abyss]

https://7tv.app/emotes/623414ae39ddab79dd45679f like this one

[buoyant wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6MFL0nRU3E

[narrow matrix]

https://7tv.app/emotes/623414ae39ddab79dd45679f

[buoyant wind]

[narrow matrix]

went under the radar

[buoyant wind]

https://7tv.app/emotes/60acfeb439bba0ab6e311f71

[vernal olive]

@weary trout be a nice lad and put that rotobrush of yours to good use, will ya?

[weary trout]

is that the most hd version of the video?

[vernal olive]

the one we could find so far at least

[weary trout]

what's the source?

[vernal olive]

niconico

[weary trout]

find the og source and i'll do it

[vernal olive]

I wish I could

this is the best one we have so far

[weary trout]

yea so let's keep looking and then i'll do it

it's a shame bc it's probably gonna be on a japanese site

[vernal olive]

sorry but I think this is the source, seeing how it was first uploaded in 2009 with the description stating it came from the interview that user had with billy

[weary trout]

link?

[vernal olive]

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6135413

[weary trout]

that's the one i just found as well

how did you download it?

[vernal olive]

a friend of mine did it, let me repost it

[weary trout]

aight i'll give it a shot

[vernal olive]

I'd do it myself but masking everything out in vegas would take even more time than rotoing

[slate locust]

It's a pretty clean bg so ai browser tools could work pretty good

[weary trout]

should be even cleaner on roto then tbh

might get it all in one go

should i try to stabilize the motion?

[vernal olive]

I've uploaded the zoomed in version because that's how the original emote looks

billy is slightly zoomed in on

[weary trout]

i'll upload both versions

[vernal olive]

wait why are we even talking about this here

[slate locust]

Emote creations = bugs and stuff

[weary trout]

[wise violet]

no im saying your using the wrong tool

its like using a chisel and hammer to cut paper

you could

but scissors work much better

also nobody ever said you have to let blender do color space transformation

you could render to exr or some other linear format

and then you'd have complete control over how colors get transformed into srgb

[slate locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/883941564391514112.png?quality=lossless&size=100

[vernal olive]

this is some advanced pixel complaining

[slate locust]

This isn't complaining

This is pixel explainimg

[vernal olive]

mansplaining

[wise violet]

im counter complaining

[slate locust]

Pixplaning

Cumsplaining

[deep sinew]

Except that would introduce an extra step, because (afaik) 7tv doesn’t support exr

But it should :)

Also, why not use a completely overkill tool?

It’s not making it any harder

[wise violet]

for this reason

because it produces unwanted results

you dont want your gradients to be dithered

[deep sinew]

They aren’t unwanted

[wise violet]

and theres 0 reason to have unneccissary invisible detail

[deep sinew]

I argue that the dithering is correct and expected

[wise violet]

well just the fact that if you store them as 16 bit

then view them

they look normal and not dithered

disprooves your point

and shows that its posible to convert to 8bit

without dithering

and while looking "correct"

as your os is literally doing this

to show it on your screen

[deep sinew]

I see your point but I’m not convinced that it’s being dithered incorrectly

[wise violet]

well its not incorrect

if you actually meant to display those middle shades

as the artist

but if you just want a gradient from point a to b

i'd argue that you dont want that

[deep sinew]

Do graphics drivers temporally dither higher bit depth images?

[wise violet]

i'm sure they just clamp

[deep sinew]

If outputting at 8 bpc

[wise violet]

thats much faster

or rather the program your viewing in probably clamps

to whatever bit depth the gpu wants

[deep sinew]

Well clamping would result in incorrect values

[wise violet]

not really

incorrect if you wanted middle shades

correct if you wanted smooth blending however

in the limitations of the space

because the pixel grid is inherantly stepped

[deep sinew]

Dithered images would result in a more accurate color on average

[wise violet]

yeah but its noticable

is the point

which is bad

technically from a eagled eye perspective its more correctish

but its an unwanted artifact

[deep sinew]

Only subjectively bad though

[wise violet]

there is no objective color

it doesnt exist

color is a human construct

[slate locust]

Youve just described art

[wise violet]

its all about how its percieved

[deep sinew]

We’re not talking about that

[wise violet]

well if we're talking objectively

then dithering is wrong too

because colors next to eachother dont blend together

objectively speaking

subjectively they do because our brains are wierd

[deep sinew]

You said the fact that it’s noticeable is bad. I say it’s not because a slight bit of noise can look nice

[wise violet]

I meant for this situation

its only a good thing if its intentional

however I would say atleast in my opinion when you want a gradient

you just want a smooth gradient

you dont want noise introduced

[deep sinew]

So you don’t believe in happy accidents?

Bob Ross would be disappointed

[slate locust]

CoolStoryBob

[wise violet]

its only a happy accident in certain scenarios though, in others it could distract from the intention

[deep sinew]

The noise makes the gradient appear smoother

[wise violet]

but its not mathmatically a gradient at that point

[deep sinew]

You can get banding at low bit depths

Which is more noticeable

[wise violet]

of course you can

but

at 8 bits i'd say banding isnt really something you'd have to worry about

[deep sinew]

I mean, you can see it.

[wise violet]

unless you want a gradient of such little difference

that the steps would be larger than pixels

or tens of pixels

[deep sinew]

You should be able to make a gradient of any “difference” without banding IMO and dithering is the way to do it

[wise violet]

well banding is just another artifact

dithering is an artifact

it just depends on which is more suitable

[deep sinew]

Dithering is an intentional use of noise to improve perceived bit depth

[wise violet]

most of the time though i'd say banding is less noticable

for most gradients

[deep sinew]

I wouldn’t call it an artifact

[deep sinew]

I’d like to see some examples of this claim

🤓 source?

[wise violet]

not worth the argument honestly

that'd require real math

and im not doing that

[slate locust]

🤓

Well when you carry the 4 and square the root of 73 then multiply that by 9173/92824

[deep sinew]

Oh the old “not worth it” excuse

[wise violet]

it depends on alot of factors

[deep sinew]

Just admit you’re wrong and concede to the superior intellect

[wise violet]

no

you could also do the math

to proove your point

obveously there are going to be times when either approach is more favorable

[deep sinew]

im gonna proooooove

[weary trout]

staff fight

[deep sinew]

Like I promised Anatole, I’ll whip up some counter examples when I get home

[wise violet]

however my intuition is that unless your making extremely small differing gradients both in length and collor difference

than dithering is the more noticeable option

[deep sinew]

Don’t you DARE call me staff!

[wise violet]

this depends greatly however on both of those two factors

length in pixels, and difference in amount of steps you can take while clamped to your color space

even how noticable the dithering is

depends on those factors

if you had an infinite length

than dithering would always be favorable

however if you only have like lets say 10 px to work with

than i'd say dithering is never favorable

[deep sinew]

If it’s only 10 pixels long, (and it’s changing more than 10 shades) a good dithering algorithm wouldn’t actually create any noise.

[wise violet]

if it produces no noise

its banding

it may be invisble banding

but its banding

because its skipping shades

[deep sinew]

If each band is only 1 pixel wide, I personally wouldn’t call it banding

[wise violet]

it would be more than that

you said more than 10 shades

you only can take ten steps

[deep sinew]

Well if it’s skipping shades, the dithering could help

When I said “more than 10 shades” I wasn’t thinking like *60 shades

I was thinking like exactly 10 lol

But that’s my fault

[slate locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907390379547041815.gif?quality=lossless&size=100

50 shades?

[deep sinew]

(I am having fun)

[wise violet]

50 shades of gray

[slate locust]

50 shades of cum

[wise violet]

#bugs-and-stuff btw

classic 7tv discord

every channel is general

[deep sinew]

Luckily no one else is reporting any bugs at the moment

So it’s ok

But in the future please start a thread @wise violet

This is your final warning

[wise violet]

no

you start the thread

[deep sinew]

no u

[slate locust]

Fine I'll do it

[buoyant wind]

i uploaded the peeposad on the left and accidently uploaded a version instead of a new one. i deleted the original one and now it's bugged, when i go to it i get the usual broken link error, but it's still on my profile

the one on the right is fine, just waiting for approval

help plz

[delicate pebble]

link?

[buoyant wind]

https://7tv.app/emotes/63019543cb60104f45845f43

[delicate pebble]

moment

[buoyant wind]

[delicate pebble]

@humble pelican when you are available, can you check why this ID didnt upload 63019543cb60104f45845f43

🤜 🔔

wait...

@buoyant wind whats the file size?

i shouldve asked this before pinging anatole

[buoyant wind]

59kb

[delicate pebble]

weird

[buoyant wind]

it only happened cuz i deleted the original when there was still a version connected

[delicate pebble]

imma check your user rq

https://7tv.app/emotes/63019cd97f31c2c757a21162 is this it?

YOU GAVE ME THE WRONG ID

[buoyant wind]

no

it's the one on the right, the one that is said is fine

[delicate pebble]

ohhhhhhh

wtf?

this one for some reason doesnt wanna open

xd

[buoyant wind]

can you delete it?

on your end or something

[delicate pebble]

i cannot

[buoyant wind]

oh

[delicate pebble]

yea thatll have to be a anatole thing i believe i cannot do anything from here

[buoyant wind]

ok

thanks lipton

[trail cedar]

Is it suppose to not be able to add zero-width emotes to a channel that is a subscriber when the editor is not a sub?

https://i.imgur.com/GjSX1KI.png

[slate locust]

the channel needs a sub

[trail cedar]

The channel is a sub

the editor is not a sub

[slate locust]

🎷 🐛

[peak arrow]

can't auto-complete messages after being timed out

[slate locust]

i thought that bug was fixed

[peak arrow]

same

[slate locust]

anyways jsut refresh

[peak arrow]

I mean yea i know

just annoying to refresh

[chilly garnet]

just

[peak arrow]

just.

[weary trout]

if you right click and remove an emote from your profile, all of the added by icons disappear

[upbeat cliff]

every time i try to creat an emote its says not found and shows me this page. idk whats the problem https://prnt.sc/pezHp0dFGqZg

[slate locust]

resolution is too big

max is 1000x1000

[upbeat cliff]

oh, okay

thanks

[serene wren]

maybe ask the streamer to add 1 emote in their set first

this is the new streamer right? they dont have any emote set or emote yet, ask them to add 1 by themself first

[royal monolith]

https://7tv.app/emotes/630148635275c325fd8d9dfa this emote is bugged, i cant delete it

[serene wren]

its deleted, the site just showing the old version i guess

[royal monolith]

[fervent pond]

This dude has a long animated pic

[serene wren]

[stone shard]

Feature

[pale aurora]

https://imgur.com/WsXudRQ any idea how to fix that from happening? already cleared cache, checked other browsers but seems to be only in Chrome

[narrow matrix]

you just unlocked the secret party mode

[weary trout]

new easter egg

[buoyant wind]

⬆️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬅️ ➡️ ⬅️ ➡️ 🅱️ 🅰️

[thick widget]

its 🅱️ then 🅰️

[buoyant wind]

[vapid scarab]

how is that dude viewing in AVIF

[slate locust]

its default

but also might be why he has the issue

[humble pelican]

it's default if you're using Chrome v100 or higher

[vapid scarab]

uwah

[humble pelican]

can you confirm that this only happens on the initial load and lasts 3-5 seconds

[dim wind]

Hey I was signing in to 7tv and microsoft edge kept giving me virus alert messages for 7tv?

[humble pelican]

what do you mean

[dim wind]

https://i.imgur.com/JXPQLI2.png

[delicate pebble]

press more information

[dim wind]

I know that you can bypass this but wanted tell this is a thing

[delicate pebble]

[humble pelican]

what

micr soft

[delicate pebble]

edge

[slate locust]

edge has a side bar now

[humble pelican]

yeah idk, don't use shit browsers would be my advice

download chrome

[dim wind]

I hate edge but chrome is crap firefox sucks for twitch opera is bloat

edge is the least crap of all the browsers

[humble pelican]

edge is literally just a reskinned chrome

[slate locust]

7tv browser when

[humble pelican]

it's chrome but the spyware is owned by microsoft instead of google

there's no difference

[rustic raft]

I didn't see this reported, but if you get timed out in a channel you moderate you can still use the 7tv sliders to ban a user from the chat

[wise violet]

huh

you mean like when you get unmodded the slider doesnt disapear

I suppose that'd be expected behavior, its not constantly checking if your a mod

[rustic raft]

It doesn't disappear, but it also allows you to ban

[delicate pebble]

have you refreshed?

[rustic raft]

It allowed me to ban 1 person before making the screen go weird and I only tried it once

[delicate pebble]

ohhhh i see what you mean

so when you are timed out as mod you can still time people out?

[rustic raft]

Yes

My wife told the streamer to time me out so I banned her after he timed me out

But I had to use the 7tv slider

[delicate pebble]

interesting…

never seen that before because when broadcasters time people out it automatically unmods you

[rustic raft]

And it did unmod me. I did not expect it to work, but I tried it anyway

[delicate pebble]

weird

[rustic raft]

I was incorrect, Lipton. You can ban as many people as you want as long as you don't refresh

[delicate pebble]

good to know then

[slate locust]

wtf

[rustic raft]

Once your timeout expires you can't ban anymore

I wonder if twitch doesn't handle timeouts properly on their end and your integration shows that

[pale aurora]

i can confirm this happens on every load and lasts until i leave the site

[marble star]

Be a mod
Get timed out
You still have mod powers
Keep timeing yourself out to not lose them
Stay mod forever

[slate locust]

♻️

[gleaming abyss]

wtf

only when avif

[humble pelican]

it's new file format, these things happen

[gleaming abyss]

i see, was just wondering

[civic tartan]

i uploaded fridgE once but 2 pop'd up

[slate locust]

dif id's

tag order swapped

[serene wren]

[slate locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/788417794248015932.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

the forbidden emote

[civic tartan]

remove it

[serene wren]

forbidden emote but not with original name

[summer terrace]

I think it should pop up a checkbox when you're looking at a emote that's already added to the channel, or just a "remove button" so you know you can actually remove it

i thought website was bugged for me since i couldn't remove the emote, but it just didn't pop up a checkbox/remove button

[mortal zinc]

Hey I'm wondering if my bugged emote can be merged with the new variation since no one will be using the original emote as it doesn't show the right one in the chat.

https://7tv.app/emotes/6302cebb6123a9b97055f58c

I also found the other emote, my one got bugged with, not sure if it helps with anything to separate it but yeah.

https://7tv.app/emotes/61afaa5915b3ff4a5bb9e9fd

appreciate it

[serene wren]

[mortal zinc]

and ppl see the screenshot in the chat

[slate locust]

8 sizes

[chilly garnet]

wait. Im seeing the proper versions

[mortal zinc]

in twitch chat it shows the screenshot

and on jchat

[chilly garnet]

anyone see it differently

[serene wren]

i think u can just disable the emote, click the new version and enable it

[mortal zinc]

tahts the second variation

[chilly garnet]

I can merge em for you. gimme the old & new one

[mortal zinc]

this the old one https://7tv.app/emotes/611d56c2824b3bff13fddf5a

this the new one https://7tv.app/emotes/6302cebb6123a9b97055f58c

i appreciate it homies

[chilly garnet]

wait this one's a version I dont think its possible to merge into versions. Try re-uploading as a separate emote & then I can merge em for you

[mortal zinc]

okay 1 sec

here you go

https://7tv.app/emotes/630398a6dd2e5e55608efa4f

[deep sinew]

those are different enough that maybe people would prefer the old one

[slate locust]

the old one is broken

[mortal zinc]

the old one is dead

i'll add a second variation to this with the old one if anything

[deep sinew]

F

but then everyone will add that version

[slate locust]

the old one shows tiktok screenshot

[deep sinew]

better to do it in reverse; upload old one then add new one as a version

[mortal zinc]

atmos did u do it yet

[chilly garnet]

yes. merged with the new one

[serene wren]

the new one still showed 0 channels for me

[chilly garnet]

cache maybe

[serene wren]

ahhh cache moment

[humble pelican]

it's a 4 hour cache time

[mortal zinc]

[humble pelican]

altho should update if someone adds or remove the emote to their channel

maybe

[mortal zinc]

yep

[humble pelican]

there ye

[mortal zinc]

its already done

i f5 and see them all

[serene wren]

worked

[mortal zinc]

thanks guys

[serene wren]

[mortal zinc]

i'll upload the old one as a variation i guess

dock L

[chilly garnet]

[humble pelican]

dockle

[chilly garnet]

docker

[mortal zinc]

yes?

[vernal olive]

I'm trying to upload a new version of this emote, but it potfriends me every time I do it https://7tv.app/emotes/62dd89c73edaa95ec19e3fcb

[narrow matrix]

You got ed

[humble pelican]

does it fit within the limitations

[vernal olive]

yeah

[humble pelican]

whats the id

[vernal olive]

I think I know why

see, I've deleted the initial submission because it was scuffed

https://7tv.app/emotes/62d07a43fd42e1026fe7e965 that's why it doesn't load

[deep sinew]

bruh make it 128 pixels tall

so it doesn't get stretched to 128 tall by the processor

it gets blurry

[vernal olive]

I've partially lost the original vector. damn it

it's alright, at least I don't have to remake everything from scratch

[deep sinew]

you can just add some empty pixels

like we were doing with the -Time emotes

[vernal olive]

then it looks stupid

[deep sinew]

it looks fine on the website though

trust me

all it does is push the previous message upward, adding some space

which isn't ideal, but it's fine in most cases

[vernal olive]

idk, I think it'd look weird with a ZW emote for example

[deep sinew]

true

you could center it instead, adding equal numbers of empty pixels to the top and bottom

(or just ignore me because the stretched version isn't that bad)

(it's not like it's pixel art or anything)

[vernal olive]

@deep sinew et voila

[deep sinew]

so big

[vernal olive]

it's this big originally

160x128

https://7tv.app/emotes/62589908caeec18915c90a9b see?

[deep sinew]

yeah

still too big IMO

but I have come to accept that 7tv will always just have very large peepos and apus

[vernal olive]

but I still can't submit it

seems like the only way to do it is to delete the old one and just upload it again

https://7tv.app/emotes/6303bb2caff63f446aeffca3 there

[humble pelican]

It's just the normal size

The bttv ones are squashed

[deep sinew]

[humble pelican]

Ig people got used to it but it's not how they looked originally

[deep sinew]

twitch is 112x112 as well

there is nothing wrong with using a non power-of-2 resolution

[pure oxide]

yeah its based on twitch

[humble pelican]

Im not talking about as emotes

I mean the original drawings

Are not square

[deep sinew]

oh yeah

[humble pelican]

So the 7TV ones stay true to the originals

[vernal olive]

anson btw how the hell were you able to upload a 112x112 PianoTime

[deep sinew]

IDK it was 112x128 when I uploaded it

but I'll happily take the cropped version

because it's true to the original

doesn't arbitrarily push the message above it away with empty pixels

[dense oak]

Hello moderators, i've been gifted a 7tv sub for like 6 months total now, ( Never bought one myself ) but I've never gotten the sub badges other than 1 month and founder.

[gleaming abyss]

#help-old message

[dense oak]

[gleaming abyss]

[trail cedar]

https://i.imgur.com/UaOSCnl.gif

my name is moving together

[slate locust]

i thinks thats a feature

[trail cedar]

ah

[slate locust]

📐

[trail cedar]

whos who, who is gac and jeo i cant tell the difference

discord added clans?

[slate locust]

no

just []

[deep sinew]

I love how your profile pic spins perfectly around the circle

[slate locust]

[wise violet]

join the anal clan

[trail cedar]

thx

can i make POKI clan

[wise violet]

its just a nickname

[trail cedar]

i see

[deep sinew]

does this work?

[wise violet]

HUH

[deep sinew]

oh you said clan

nvm

[slate locust]

📷

[trail cedar]

??

[slate locust]

./nick [POKI] Kattah

[trail cedar]

done

[buoyant wind]

This looks bad. Looks like the triple parentheses

[wise violet]

oh true

it sort of does

I mean

its not worse than what he had it set to before

[deep sinew]

Better?

[buoyant wind]

Worse actually

[slate locust]

(ditto)

[buoyant wind]

It's a racist symbol

[deep sinew]

I didn't know that

[slate locust]

oh cool

[buoyant wind]

Classic jeo

[buoyant wind]

i still have the bug where an emote ive deleted is still being shown on my 'owned emotes' but the link itself is broken https://7tv.app/emotes/63019543cb60104f45845f43

[wise violet]

I hate having support above general

it always makes me thing theres a mod chat ping

[delicate pebble]

same

[regal loom]

you get used to it..

[delicate pebble]

[wise violet]

we wont

[regal loom]

ok

[buoyant wind]

stop typing here you're making people ignore my problem

[regal loom]

man you guys have habits? slow down your discord addiction

doesn't seem to be caching

or could be caching on the server side idk

[versed spear]

Why is there no China nor Taiwan flag at the webpage language option

[buoyant wind]

not cache related, and lipton tried and even he cant access it

[regal loom]

I meant on server side maybe. Like the server is caching your profile page

[buoyant wind]

oh

[slate locust]

the translations arent approved

[regal loom]

[buoyant wind]

some languages with no approved stuff are being shown though

[versed spear]

Approve a flag?

[regal loom]

I think putting flags next to languages is outdated concept

[slate locust]

idk i dont even work here

[buoyant wind]

yeah, especially when the language is being spoken outside that country too

[versed spear]

How do I see the translation discussion channel

[regal loom]

translation you mean? #i18n

[versed spear]

Yeah

[narrow matrix]

yea right

[regal loom]

today i'll move the mod chat to the bottom

[slate locust]

mod chat in archive

[regal loom]

put mod chat in public chat channels

[slate locust]

talk about mod things in gen

[weary trout]

fix it @livid matrix

[wise violet]

@boreal coral AVIF encode failure

[deep sinew]

common non-power-of-2 resolution L

[livid matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/193278651020738561/967294777253056562/RIPBOZO.gif

RIP bozo for that emote

[deep sinew]

non 1-bit transparency now that we have webp uploads?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/950284445401903164.gif?size=48

[delicate pebble]

avif moment

[narrow matrix]

oh this is very good for bandwidth, lets go all in

[weary trout]

why do 0-widths only overlay some animated emotes

in chatterino at least

[slate locust]

i think its only animated 0w can overly animated regualar

static 0w goes behind animated regular

and static 0w goes ontop static regular

[weary trout]

oh bc the 0width was static

[slate locust]

yeah it all super scuffed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/889016538684850249.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

fix it

[regal loom]

the temp solution is just always make animated 0widths. All my static ones have like a jumping pixel

[weary trout]

ok

[slate locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/848518180255432704.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

yeah but its like a chatterino rendering issue and idk

[delicate pebble]

@humble pelican 🤜 🔔 can you check why this didnt upload? 63046066d9bf10a26e1a1d10

[slate locust]

while adding editors, the last name in the list is cut off

scrolling doesnt scroll far enough

[hot raven]

It says that i am subscribed for 153 days at 101% but the 6 month badge is still locked, relogged the 7tv site and still appears locked, tried changing from edit profile only shows first 3 months badges

[serene wren]

anatole

[slate locust]

the progress bar has been broken forever

should get badge within a couple days unless theres some other issue

[hot raven]

i see ty for the help 🙂

[delicate pebble]

WTF IS THAT EMOTE

[pure oxide]

#help-old message

[tidal bramble]

snow

[gleaming stream]

I cant spam in other peoples chats, which i have vip in, can only spam in my chat & my "allow sending messages twice" is on

idk if its a bug or something with me

[clear forge]

yo I don't know if this is because it's of the emote name but I can't disable this from my chat https://7tv.app/emotes/611934f54a20425cff0638d0

https://i.imgur.com/bfa87ge.png

[chilly garnet]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/611934f54a20425cff0638d0/2x.png

8supa moment

@clear forge maybe try making a new emote set

[versed spear]

Disabled it would be haram

[clear forge]

thats the guy who did the big emote thing right

[chilly garnet]

among other things

[clear forge]

i can live with it until it's fixed i guess

[chilly garnet]

he also got lipton banned (coz his dumbass copied him)

[clear forge]

lmao

[chilly garnet]

masha allah brother

[clear forge]

[gleaming stream]

stay halal

[chilly garnet]

+1 virgin

[versed spear]

What is it mean

[clear forge]

it means bismillah

which is like "in god's name"

[versed spear]

Big emote thing got ppl banned?

[clear forge]

oh

[chilly garnet]

only lipton. so no real loss

[clear forge]

don't worry about it lol

[chilly garnet]

[versed spear]

Stuff had personal beef

[chilly garnet]

stuff?

[clear forge]

stuff...

[chilly garnet]

and things....

[weary trout]

private emotes are also bugged

[versed spear]

Staff

[weary trout]

can't add private emotes to your own sets

[versed spear]

Autocorrect

[chilly garnet]

oh nah. liptons my boy. basically my son

[versed spear]

I mean twitch staff

[clear forge]

i get it

[versed spear]

Or did he only banned on 7tv

[chilly garnet]

mans confusing

[versed spear]

[clear forge]

no we were talking about a separate thing

people got banned on twitch, but its fixed now

[versed spear]

[chilly garnet]

the big emote ban was for abusing API. nothing too deep

[weary trout]

wasn't it like a 3 month ban

[clear forge]

nah not that long

[weary trout]

ah 3 weeks

[chilly garnet]

it was perma. but some got it back after the appeal

[weary trout]

yea i think all got unbanned

[buoyant wind]

CLASSIC

[vernal olive]

the funniest thing about the giant emotes is that almost all of them are still available on the emote cdn

meaning they weren't full on deleted, just disabled

[glad drift]

hello

Edge is blocking 7tv.io (oath with Twitch)

[serene wren]

known issue, click more info and access anyway, and use chrome instead

[glad drift]

ok

[serene wren]

[vernal olive]

they came from behind!

[buoyant wind]

switch to a good browser

[civic tartan]

Can the Edge warning thing be put in the #faq ?

[slate locust]

and the editor thing

[buoyant wind]

Still have these 2 bugs:

1. An emote I deleted is bugged and still appears in my profile https://7tv.app/emotes/63019543cb60104f45845f43
2. I can't upload new emotes because it's showing me this error. I don't have any emotes pending

[heavy trellis]

Am I the only one with this weird issue where the chat input box sometimes disappears (or maybe gets sent below the screen) when attempting to type in chat?

[wind oriole]

It happened to me one time when trying to tab an emote and never happened again

[heavy trellis]

Yeah tabbing triggers it for me too.

[weary trout]

@heavy trellis what browser do you have and what emote extensions do you use?

[heavy trellis]

bttv, ffz, 7tv. chrome

[weary trout]

bttv might be the issue

[heavy trellis]

Does everyone with the issue just disable it? And use FFZ

is there any difference

[weary trout]

ffz + 7tv is the best native experience imo

ffz has all of bttv's features anyways

bttv conflicts with 7tv a lot so

[buoyant wind]

you can just enable bttv through ffz's settings

[weary trout]

^

[heavy trellis]

Yeah I just did.

I guess it doesnt matter if there is no difference

If the extension does the exact same as enabling it thru ffz

[weary trout]

idk if it'll fix it for sure but it might

[heavy trellis]

ah

it happened again

noooo

with bttv disabled 😦

[serene wren]

i get that bug too when i disable emotes in ffz and bttv, enable them all get duplicates

advice: use chatterino

webchat only for gamba

[weary trout]

[tidal bramble]

I had the exact same issue a few times, also ffz+7tv, chrome

[buoyant spade]

Emote is not published.

[civic tartan]

Check the emote:

• is it under 7mb?
• is it under 1000x1000
• is it under ~700 frames

[buoyant spade]

**Published, thank you. **
But it seems to me that both of these requirements need to be written on the site, well, or to compress 7TV itself to the required format.

[chilly garnet]

the revised upload page should have these restrictions printed when it comes out

[buoyant spade]

[humble pecan]

recently havent been able to see 7tv emotes in highlights even with ffz, dont know why

[buoyant wind]

you enabled 7tv in ffz's settings?

[humble pecan]

yes

[tawdry bone]

Has anyone else been having autocomplete issues? Sometimes no 7TV emotes will show on the autocomplete options. Empty cache+hard reload fixes it.

[icy sleet]

anyone else not able to click on subscribe/gift a sub on 7tv?

[slate locust]

nope

fix it

[gleaming abyss]

are you clicking on the left or right part ? you need to click on the right

[slate locust]

have you tried it

[icy sleet]

I mean

you can see me clicking it

nothing happening though

[gleaming abyss]

you click on the left

[icy sleet]

its either