#💬│palia-discussions
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How many stomachs does the cow have
wdym Co
Coleslaw opperator
four stomachs
Sorry I'm from Poland and "Co" means "What"
oh
Im from Georgia
/russia
wait what
bro i want palia to launch so bad
theres a place called georgia inside of russia
hello
no there is a country called Georgia or gruzia or whatever, im from there but Im half russian
which platforms is the game made for? only pc or crossplay? I don#t know if someone asked the question already
can i play it on my school chromebook 😩
At this Moment for sure PC but they aim to many platforms. No info on Cross play so far I think
ok 🙂 thx for the answer
The test is for PC only, but they do intend to release it for many platforms
hi 🙂
Hi Carl
ohhh
will you be able to grow animals?
like cows and sheep and such
Yeah so um
Does Palia have platypuses? Platypi? I don't know the plural of it
platypi sounds cool
Perry the Platypus?
Next votes will be creatures so we might get answer for that but right now tbh I don't know if any of Earth animals are in game unchanged.
Well platypus is the most fantasy-esque animal I could think of.
Have we even seen birds? Are birds normal, or are they also some mishmash of creatures?
We saw birds from far in trailer
Birbs are birds. If they have feathers and make weird noises in the early hours before the sun is up then they be birds.
This just in, Ana thinks Dinos are Birds.
and Eshe have a feather in her hairs
Perin, it is not nice to refer to old people as dinos
Well isn't the T Rex the ancestors of chickens or something?
Ohh wait does Palia have dinosaurs?
Eshe is the Devil wears Prada of Palia
She sounds slightly evil
What? I mean pinned into hair not as a hair!
She seems evil bue she's not that bad. Just very headstrong, ambitious, no time for nonsense type of person
At least as far as I remember it
No time for nonsense
This is why she's a villian to me!
Anyway back to Palia animals
If they can come up with something as weird as a platypus then I'm all good for it.
Ahh you must be a fellow enthusiast of nonsensical musings then
Aka you like weird and amusing topics
If I would not enjoy weird and amusing topics I would not enjoy my stay here that much 
fr
Hm....
Wonder if we can suggest weird exotic animal ideas for Palia
I wanna send a pic of an animal where can I do it?
In not yours #💬│off-topic-chat ' if yours #🐾│pet-pics
Just for fun tho, come up with something weird
My suggestion: the Poppin's gecko.
It's large frills expand outward like an umbrella when in danger. To escape, it launches itself from high cliffs, the frills then act as a parachute to slow their descent so they land safely.
Aye!
Its an Idea for palia SIUU
cursed indeed
The count is at 4 now
Do yall know what the fsk of Palia will be?
Fsk?
yes
I don't know what that is
fsk
I have no idea what that is
is like how old u have to be to play it
OH
shrug ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh like the game rating
oh
oh I think like 13?
oh okay ez
Like PEGI in Europe
I think they aim for Pegi 13 but not sure.
okay ty
LOL yes a video game content rating. We call it ESRB in the US
fsk is like just for age
Like Palia is meant for everyone but It has elements that may give it 13
Or Pegi 7 like Stardew Valley but as I said I'm not sure
pegi 80+
Good thing we are like 800 years old then nish
welcome to palia where you have to be at least 300 to log in
Weren't you 300 a couple weeks ago?
hi :)
Listen sometimes a person talks down their age for reasons
You probably aren't even a constellation! You're just a jumble of stars!
I'm a consternation
I was going to say the age of human's return, but your answer works too.
Now I wonder if we can have different Age as a character or everyone will be early to late 20's looking
Hell breaks loose as everyone is technically old enough to drink because they're 3,000 years old or something
That is assuming that the humans appearing are the same humans who vanished before
They could be brand new humans, so their age would be measured in days...
Do you think there will be other races besides Grimalkin, Human and Majiri?
You forgot Golem
yes
a palian day is 1 hour in Earth time so do humans age 24x slower than palians?
500m dash, probably
LOL GREG
What kind of races do you think there will be?
Besides 500m dash and relay
swimming race?
I figure the ones we have is fine enough. It's probably best we have their cultures, abilities, and so on expanded. Quality over quantity, y'know?

The race for the best seat at the bar.
The race to woo Tish
@worthy rose :whirlywaggle:
Dang sorry other nish that I tagged
will there be combat in palia ?
Don't wanna deal with "Oh, uhh... These are.... fish people! Yeah! Uh.. they look like fish and say glubglub every sentence! That's all they do"

Do you count hunting?
i guess fighting monsters count
How about deer?
hand to hand combat with a bear 
but the idea of physical combat goes against palia's aims no> ?
Time to bear arms
There will be hunting but no monster fighting
ty ty
And the image of Richard from LFG with bear arms on him popped into my head.
a staring contest with grumpy fish o-o
Like the bird that keeps itself in the air through sheer anger alone, the grumpy fish causes the water around it to ripple and shove it where it needs via how harshly it scrunches it's grumpy face
Probably

There's still a chance though!

Well, if we get a Christmas release, it could be the festival of Humans Return.
But the question should be, will holidays line up with our calendar, or theirs? With the 1hr=1d thing.

It'll probably just happen on our days and not theirs, and it'd be explained as saying holidays always last months or something
And there are 365 months in a year 
Let's be fair. If 1hr=1day is a standard, you'd blow through 24 days in a real day. That's almost a whole month!
So if there was really only 1 hour, the servers would probably die violently in a horrific explosion as everyone tries to log in to get a part of stuff
I liked my idea of having them have a separate calendar from us. Where every week was 1 season, and every month was a year. Then we can have seasonal stuff for crops and stuff every week. Also we could then have "year long celebrations" for what would be real world holidays. So the entire month of Dec would be the "Year of Giving" celebration.
Jan could be "The Year of New Beginnings"
Oct could be "The Year of Grim Tidings"
Nice to meet you all! Is there way to test game?
Not currently, next phase is in the first half of next year. You sign up on the main site.
So, what do you all think of the idea?
hello~
I feel like there’s so many good ways to tackle seasons and holidays in a game like Palia. I’m sure S6 will find a solid solution.
sign up on https://palia.com to have a chance to be selected for Alpha testing in first half of 2022
It's a pretty good one! We'll have to see what the devs do/prefer, though
I guess I'll type it up to add to the suggestions channel.
hello pals. 2 hours remaining of work.
meanwhile i'm listening to debates between ancaps and statists. it's interesting to say the least.
anyway, i like the idea of the different calendar. it makes sense, since palia supposedly is another planet with different day cycles and stuff
also makes it more unique from a writers perspective
How different exactly @abstract rover? Different seasons?
shorter than earth
for day length
obviously more from a gameplay reason but could still be lore
I like the idea, I just don't think it can be fit in the game in a satisfying way, gameplay-wise
why not? stardew did it well.
Well it just had a normal gameplay scaling down of a daily cycle, no?
28 day months, each month is a season, etc
i like to believe it has lore to it as well and not just as a gameplay thing
Honestly, I really liked the WoW's cosmetic 1 to 1 day cycle...
It just felt really immersive
From what I have heard the 1hr=1d in the pre-alpha went over well for those who played. I think they were trying to get away from the 1:1 day cycle so they could have night and day events without excluding those who could not play during the night or day due to real life stuff.
Yeah, I get that - actual gameplay day/night cycles are a different story
I haven't playtested it or anything, but 1hr=1d feels a bit too fast
Minecraft does 24minutes=1day
It may sound fast, but depending on the game loop, it could be just right.
well yeah, but that's a survival game, where you need to feel the rush before the night is coming 😛
I remember I modded minecraft to have 1 hour days and 1 hour nights.
Things get a bit wild when it is dark for an hour in minecraft...
Perfect mob farm material
Or me with a stone sword dodging creepers and arrows while I hunt for spiders to get string...
I wish the mod that allows you to get 9 string from wool would go vanilla...
Anyways, Palia!
❄️

Does anyone know if the game is going to be free or cost money on it's release?
They are not ready to talk about monetization yet.
I see
thanks for letting me know~
Hey all! New here. What are you most hyped about the game? Like what features or content? I really like having my own space to customize but still having that central hub. Also the push of my own pace.
I like how I get to decide what i want to do, as in i can avoid fighting or killing altogether, or partaking in dangerous adventures o-o (or in Palia's case not so dangerous?)
excited to cook in Palia! HAHA the villager-votes are showing food content and the food art looks so goooood T^T
Yeah I really like that too!
Daphne is Jinx now?
I need to go check this out! Just found out about the game and spent two hours looking at videos. Lol Now I am here!
Daphne's pfp is Jinx from LoL
arcane jinx supremacy 
What does PowPow think?
Hello, circedreams and welcome to the Palia community. Probably the most notable thing that caught my attention is the community philosophy that Singularity 6 is looking to bring to the game. According to Aidan Karabaich, the game director for Palia, the goal of Singularity 6 is...
...to build towards a particular future — a world in which the evolution of technology brings us closer together and not further apart.
Source: https://medium.com/singularity-6/the-singularity-6-mission-99aa3b71f0d0
Based on what features the game has (or doesn't have), I am hopeful they will meet this goal. For example, it sounds like they are avoiding any direct competitive player-vs-player elements. I play PVP games, and do enjoy them but having a game that I can turn to just be friends with other gamers, sounds really appealing to me.
Yes especially in this world we live in. 😂
I would definitely hold hands with arcane jinx
She would then shoot you in the face, giggle and walk away dragging your corpse...
that's ok!
Powder is a bit of a loose cannon.
Bonk.
bonking only makes me stronger
I'm mostly excited about forming a criminal empire
im calling the powlice >:[ jk 🤣
Cinna!!!!!





Here I am once again!
I should actually get back to things and do some more experiments. I got myself a fancy new toy since the Steam Sales hit!
I actually don't buy myself anything other than normal supplies in the month of Dec. Don't want to accidently buy myself something that I ended up getting as a gift again.

HUZZAH!
For the lurkers out there and any newcomers. Welcome to Palia : Jina's Research Lab. Jina is working on her human thesis and is currently browsing through the channels acquiring knowledge that you may find useful. She is starting with the #❔│game-faqs,#❓│old-team-answers-alpha and #🌠│official-art channels first and then maybe the currently archived #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha channel, lots of human interaction in there to flesh out her thesis. She will be delighted to know that the #❔│game-faqs also includes links to the documents compiled by Rin and Vlad, members of our human community. Once you have read through these documents you should know what we know about Palia : The Game so far. Jina has also browsed through the Pre-Alpha blog for further insights on the humans which you can find on the Palia site that can be accessed via the #📢│palia-news channel or the bottom of the Palia site itself. If you sign up and fill in the surveys I am sure Jina would love the chance to meet you and your friends in person. Again, welcome and we hope you enjoy waiting with us .
If I get in, I can't wait to just stand near the starting line and hand out really 'well-done' food to the others logging in.
N.. no thanks
If I get in, I can't wait to just stand near the starting line and shout "THE END IS NIGH! WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO PERISH IN THE FLAMES OF OUR OWN PRIDE" to the others logging in.
"Cupcake?"
"Nah, I already ate before I came out here screaming."
If I get in… I’ll be grumbles now how am I gonna theorise and suggest ideas …
You get promoted from Theorizing about the game to theorizing within the game
Then becoming the theory itself?
That's just called becoming so famous you get added to the game
Well I know I'm safe there .. they said there won't be a wiki in the game
Ranillis — 06/04/2021 Any way to put exciting things to discover in the world, like genuinely hard to find Easter eggs that aren’t just data mineable and discovered before the game even comes out? What I miss the most in mmos is discovering things in the world on a whim! [S6] BuscoBear — 06/04/2021 We like this too and one thing we ask ourselves about when designing spaces is discoverability. We don't want to put a whole wiki inside the game, but we don't want you to feel like you gotta have a wiki open to even play. Exploration will be more about finding whats going on in a world where people and animals have their own thing going on and you're in the mix there.
Well, that looks like a job for you!
Vlad said if he liked the game he may make a website.. but seeing as he hasn't been active since the first invite wave .. maybe he changed his mind .. 🤷♀️ .. I'm waiting for more details on how the communication across servers work before I do anything beyond thinking.
Aw. That reminds me of all the cool people I saw around here near the start of everything, but have since then vanished. I wonder where they are and what they're doing these days?
Probably work and dooting around in other games. They'll be back when there's big news.
I hope so. I kinda miss them
With a 3 year wait they may just come back after several months or a year to see any updates. Or just waiting for that invite before getting involved with chatting to everyone 
I wonder if they'll remember us?
if they were very active maybe they'll remember some of the vocal ones back then .. depends on if absence makes the heart grow fonder works for chatting to people 
Hopefully so!
Hi I just saw a video about the game and joined the discord how are you guys doing?
hi Llama .. welcome to Palia : The Chat Room 
Same Llama! Welcome!
What was the best part of the video you liked ?
Well I saw that the game was being made by very experienced devs wich is something I immediately liked
They're also fully funded. 👀
Interesting, Im also a huge fan of almost every game they say they took inspiration from so the game looks really promising
What are you hoping the game will have for you to do based on what you have seen so far?
Mostly multiplayer aspects, I love playing with either friends if they decide to get the game once its out or meet new people
Their server allocation system will definitely help with that .. you can play with friends and neighbours or if none are around .. you have the chance to make new friends 🙂
I liked the community part of the lands too. Neighborhood? I forget how it was referenced as.
Neighbourhoods are the Palia equivalent of guilds .. but mayhap with more usefulness due to the community aspect of the game
hi! super stoked for this bad boy to come out
Welcome both Phobos and Llama to the Palia discord community!
Thank you! ^^
Remember when DadJoke used to hang around here?
Yea, I kinda miss the guy. If ya see em, Cinna, tell him to come back!
Hello?
Hello! 🙂
Hi!
Aye!
Anyone learned how to play the Kilima Village theme song?
Not me .. guitar is still sitting in the corner of the room gathering dust
Haven't touched it in years so would have to relearn everything again , so didn't bother 
ooh i should try doing that !! that could be a lot of fun
I should touch my drawing tablet to see if I can make something happen. Hm
I wonder if someone has also made some grand remix or something of the Killima village song.
For the lurkers out there and any newcomers. Welcome to Palia : Lost. Nai'o has been given the task of directing you through the maze of channels to get you to Palia : The Game. Go to #❔│game-faqs and turn left at #❓│old-team-answers-alpha, then right at #🌠│official-art and around the roundabout at #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha. You can take the short cut through the pinned documents by Rin and Vlad. You should be nearing the gates to Palia when you see the pre-alpha blog in #📢│palia-news. Once there, all you need to do is wait ( don't forget to sign up if you want to try your chance to get in early ). But you'll be in good company. Again, welcome and we hope you enjoy your wait with us.
And on that note .. I think I'm gonna see if I can sleep before the sun comes up 
Aw. See ya Xrsytal
Now that the sun is gone, I can show up once more!
Dadjoke, there you are!
Rad jokes where?
The what?
Palutations! 
Good morning everyone!
morning!
Morning people!
Good morning 🔆
how r u today
Good Mango everyone 🥭😴
Greeeeeatest morning to you all!
ty
Good morning Palians! 
winter solstice grimples to all

Some of it

yupyup 
hope palia releases early for early access or something
if they do it probably won't be for a while .. it's still early on in its development. We've had invite only pre-alpha and invite only alpha is sometime in the first half of next year. What they do after then is still several months if not a year in the future. Based on their reluctance to even show info about the game until they are ready, I suspect they will do the same with the game as a whole. If you haven't already, sign up for test access. 🙂
i'll be waiting until it's released to the public, i can't stand the anxiety of waiting to be eventually accepted (chance being slim to none)
For the lurkers out there and any newcomers. Welcome to Palia : The Hunt. Tau is prancing about in excitement waiting to meet all of you in Palia: The Game but Hassian wants you to be prepared.. so he has sent Tau to hunt down all the useful information in the various channels. #❔│game-faqs, #❓│old-team-answers-alpha and #🌠│official-art has plenty of information to get you started with #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha containing tons of information but in a totally unstructured form, it may take some time to find what you want in there, but the information is there. Hassian, in the mean time has popped over to the palia website to grab the pre-alpha blog there. Lots of game play details there. To ensure you get a chance to see them ahead of time sign up for testing and keep an eye on the game-announcements channel for more details. If you are really lucky, maybe, just maybe you will get to pet Tau. Again, welcome, we hope you enjoy waiting with us
Hey
Happy Holidays
PALUTATIONS!!!!! hey everyone, hope your all enjoying your festivities :). for once im doin alright which is an improvement for me anyways. hoping the devs are relaxing too, everyone needs a break from time to time 🙂

Hi again! How's everyone today? 
mine has been pretty good, hbu?
All I want for christmas.... is Palia.
Maybe in a couple years?
Game release is in less than 2.5 years. First release will be on PC, other platforms may be added in the future.
No official date has been given
And they do plan on having multiple platforms, but not guaranteed.
Palutations!!
counting from this day?
or when it was first announced?
There was a post from a S6 person that said less than 2 years 7 months, about a month ago. But this was an estimate, Could be longer, could be less. No official date has been given.
ahh. Thanks for the information!
Beautiful day, Palia Peeps!!
Is there a release date?
No date, just a estimated window of about 2.5 years out.
we have to wait that long? sheesh
Most MMOs take about 6 years to make
ill be dead by that time, but the longer it takes the better
Palia is still early on in the development cycle.
but there should be alpha testing right?
yup, i did it already
Adventure awaits! HUZZAH!
hi!
hello 🙂
I can't wait till I get a chance to try out Palia
Well, as long as you have signed up for testing you might be lucky enough to get into the closed alpha testing expected in the first half of next year.
I can't wait to try the pre-alpha!
erm .. Gambit .. you already did the pre-alpha .. did you forget again ..? :shakes head:
checks calendar .. erm .. er .. yeah 
I hope you say that I win the lottery or something, next
........ nope, my crystal ball doesn't tell me that, sorry ... 
You already did with your Pre-Alpha invite
hahahaha true that
Ah. Wait, does this Odd-ball work with future-reading?
And aye, I'm sure my luck will come back! It's just busy doing God knows what. It'll return when I get lucky enough.
Only futures you can see with this ball are undesirable ones.
Now I can't wait for 2022. I have a terrifying amount of things to do there!
Also Dadjoke if you can see me, I call dibs on the "See you next year!" joke.
oi oi oi
Haha whaaat, why would anyone try to take that joke from you? I mean, that's crazy! nervously nudges next week's Palia art prompt under table
Does anyone know what thegame will end up costing
They are not ready to talk about monetization yet.
There are many "prices" to be paid on the game market as is. There is the 1 time buy option, The Sub option, the free to play option, the Microtransaction option (aka the spawn of satan), or some combination there of. All we know is that they are not ready to talk about monetization yet.
These are in fact the only reference to cost since they announced the game both here and on their twitter page
https://twitter.com/playPalia/status/1443644204618420236?s=20
https://twitter.com/playPalia/status/1443644204618420236?s=20
https://twitter.com/playPalia/status/1472986220418375685?s=20
https://twitter.com/playPalia/status/1471921021267574788?s=20
Is any part of this game going to be paid (outside of a monthly subscription or paid DLC) or based on microtransactions, such as cosmetic packs, purchasable in-game currency, etc? that's my least favorite part of some games D:
[S6] BuscoBear — 06/03/2021
Some part will have to cost money because game dev isn't free D: But we aren't at liberty to share specific atm, sorry```
Cinna, we need the bird. It's perfect for this question.
❄️

Also, I hope you know the moment we get any kind of Palia-related bird revealed to us, I'll be making you a new sticker.
What if the first bird revealed to us from Palia looks exactly like the bird from Cinna's stickers?
It'll have a slightly different outline probably 2-5 pixels in width.
2-5 pixels gives you a nice chunky line. 
I felt a disturbance in the force. For good measure, take this one too:
Thank you for your service.
o7
Perhaps Xrystal lives in a volcano and so, even when they winterize, we can't tell. We have no evidence to the contrary.
Hah, I just overwork my PC until it heats up the town
Someday.
I use the winter ones when I want to express even more laughter or excitedness than normal

Hasn't updated the past ones yet, but when I click on you, it is like that, yes.

im curious what all the character creation options will have
The Answer is Yes.
hehehe i like that answer
I forget the exact wording, but character customizations will be extensive.
Xrystal might be able to help me out with a quote.
yeah ive heard that before, ya know.. like there are 1000 of customization options. ie 5 hairstyles x 10 height options x 12 noses x 7 eye brows x 4 skin tones.... thats really not a ton.
does that make since?
Like the new pfp @remote latch !
Character Customization will be diverse
at odd-ball's request 🙂
*digs through the dev comments regarding character customization .. *
It's hard to see through all them crystals refracting the light
Oh I see Xrystal adopted the
profile pic tho! 
Until I see snow in the south of england .. it isn't winter 
i feel the same way in tennessee
Oh another person in TN!
Haha I saw snow at least twice while living in southern England. Strange times lol people busting out skis and taking to the closed streets haha
memphis
Hello from KY!
Chatt here
It's already been -19C here in Moscow, got a bit warmer now though
I wonder if Palia will have snow and if we will be able to ski! 
oh a ruby falls person
I run out and make footprints in the 5 cm of snow we get before it melts 
lol
It's gonna be 22°C here on Saturday. Definitely not normal for my area!
Only been there once, I preferred Racoon Mountain.
That's rough. How low was it in Texas a year back?
googles racoon mountain
Only got down to -2C for me last night,
man chat is so pretty. we have a brown river that smells of poo
I'm in Kentucky but last year the temp on 12/25 was about 0°C
Sooo a pretty big difference xD
I hope one day to experience a white Christmas.
well itll be in the 70s on christmas here.
I mean, sounds a lot like the Ohio River but I don't normally get close enough to smell it
Same. Last year it was 32 F. But no snow 
lol the ohio and ms river are the same body of water.
I've not seen a white Christmas in yeeeeeaaars
idk why they change the name
lol
Precisely
ohio has seasons. we dont down here. we have hot and then we have cold
I hope Palia has at least 4 seasons
samzies

i want so badly for this to be successful
I'm sure it will be 
relaxing gaming is what i need
I grew up in southern California, where there were only 2 seasons, Summer and Not Summer.
lol
I'm loving the 4 seasons of Tennessee.
Character Customization Quotes ( had the word character or customization in it ) - I think they are talking about Pre-Alpha rather than Alpha but I could be wrong
The Alpha only scratches at the surface here. Lots of customization options coming!```
```[S6] BuscoBear — 06/03/2021
We're trying to avoid male/female. You choose a body type and all the customization options are tailored to fit all body types```
```[S6] BuscoBear — 06/04/2021
All the content fits all the characters you may choose to make.```
```[S6] BuscoBear — 06/05/2021
We want you to be able to customize your character to be you. Lots of options on style, cut, color, shape and they're all interchangable.```
I suspect they have designed the system so that they can add things over time.
For those wondering about console - [S6] WhoaNonstop — 06/05/2021 We don't want to split too much of our focus, so console plans will be down the road so we can ensure the best game for PC. However, we will end up going wherever the players want us to be.
And .. machine learning has at least one more use in game than just server selection ..
[S6] WhoaNonstop — 06/05/2021 Specifically machine learning - I can't speak to everything that we are doing but matchmaking, as mentioned in the article posted by Nilesse is one. Another that I can directly call out which shouldn't come as much of a surprise is player moderation.
From my understanding, there are tools in Unreal Engine that they have access to that would greatly help them in the case they decide to port to consoles.
And if I recall correctly, the Pre-Alpha was built in UE4
i hope monetization doesnt kill this. too many mmo, games as a service games type games out there. not a business model that ima fan of.
The problem with monetisation is that there are people on every side of the equation. So, someone will be really happy, someone will be really sad and someone will be in the don't care corner
truth
I'm in the corner of "If there are microtransactions, I'm not going to play."
I think a more general goal is to make sure any monetization doesn't making it overwhelming for the average consumer.
I support microtransactions that are purely cosmetic based myself, but not those that either time-gate, play-gate, or boost players.
it's not about monetisation, usually. It's about greed
lets just agree. "zero loot boxes"
honestly, I'm fine with lootboxes that just reroll until you get a new item if you have a duplicate. Also if they're purchasable through in-game currency
No lootboxes.
Me and everyone on this planet can agree "surprise mechanics" can go die
It's probably the reason why they are taking their time to let us know their final decision... because it may be taking them a long while to decide and may be even looking at our concerns as well.
Loot boxes are quickly falling out of favor in the industry because of countries straight up banning them (Belgium, Nederlands)
That being said, I find the most fair Loot Box system to be Overwatch. Its purely cosmetic and you earn loot boxes for playing meaning the purchase is optional.
Define "lootbox" @carmine relic
Box you gotta buy (or buy a key to) in order to open for a chance of something
im ok with premium purchases and premium currencies. i am in no way ok with paying for "a chance" for an item
Bonus points if said loot gives actual advantages to be even more ridiculous
slot machines
I'm ok with lootboxes if there is a way to purchase an item directly as well, all through in-game currency
because sometimes I don't care what I get
i would like to see a crafting skill, that if maxed out can make every cosmetic item in the game. thoughts?
It's totally fine if you can directly earn or work towards what's in the box, but making people waste money on an item they aren't even gauranteed to get is just screwed up
The one thing I will note about "in-game currencies" is that it introduces the concept of "price shrouding." Similar to the model seen in the arcade entertainment industry (tokens, game cards). Price shrouding makes it easy to convince consumers to overpay under the guise that they are getting a good deal.
Maybe exclude certain things like possible anniversary, holiday, and/or special occasion cosmetics
I agree with this!
Agreed
any warframe players here? "Time Gating"
I'm okay with paying an up front cost to purchase the game, I'm okay with a sub to play the gam, I'm even okay with a cost to purchase large expansions, But I am not okay with tiny lil purchases here and there in the form of cosmetics, power-ups, or accessibility options, aka microtransactions.
right, buuuuuut there is so much content there to play you can start it and come back later.
agreed.
Let me link a document I once made in college that demonstrates the dangers of each type of microtransaction known out there...
Please note, this is a demonstrative poster to show the extremes of microtransactions. Also I share this to make everyone more aware of the impact of microtranscations when they are abused.
good stuff
I do believe microtransactions when managed with the goals of supporting the product especially when the user doesn't have time to play, should be the standard in the overall industry.
Now when it comes to Palia. It is my hope the game encourages a pay for what cosmetics you want type of model if there is going to be a secondary microtransaction market. I can get if they have some cosmetic items be behind a pay-wall but only if the price is moderate (less than $5 realistically). I sincerely hope there are no gameplay boosters (which seem pointless for a non-Competitive game).
Otherwise I rather support a moderate subscription-based model.
I repeat my statement of "If there are microtransactions, I'm not playing."
if its a sub based game, im out. i have too little time to play. i cant justify the monthly bill if i get to play for 3 hours that month
ow that poster actually gave me a headache to look at
lol
In terms of the design aesthetic or the information. Its one of my earlier pieces so its not exactly in my portfolio anymore.
well shes spending her moms money
if her mom has money to spend then her mom makes enough 😮 LOLOL
Key word in my poster... borrowed
its not borrowing if oyu takeyour parents credit card without asking
cuz as a kid i was tempted to do that too but thats because i hated my mom and wanted to teach her a lesson
Kid snuck into mom's purse for the card, spent the money, snuck and put the card back
now its worse because we have visa debit cards
can we get a coin purse in palia please
Either way the kid is stealing from their parents.
something i havent done like totally lolol. except i stole money for candy 😄
PSA for those taking notes: Don't be like Chapaa. Stealing is bad. The credit card and/or apple pie on the window sill is not for you. Taking things that don't belong to you will get you chased off with a rake by Nai'o.
I am so going to now draw a chapaa in bling.
I never stole from my parents, I haven't stolen from anyone in fact. I've had enough things stolen from me to know the pain of those situations to never wish that on others.
i took a few thing from the corp when i got out

I steal cookies. THAT is my weakness.
Out of curiosity, would any of you support Palia if there was an upfront price, and then one-time DLC purchases for expansions (of some capacity)?
Never ever bring chocolate chip cookies near me , or they will disappear.
I would Kaede
Yeah. That's how most games I've bought work.
That is the model gw2 uses.
yes
I would support an upfront cost.
I would even support free with a sub
I don’t mind a sub and I am a casual type due to life being busy
💸
This sounds like the business model used in TitanQuest. I would support that business model.
Would there be DLCs/expansions if they are planning Palia to be a live service game ? [S6] BuscoBear — 06/04/2021 Like done done? We expect to be a live service game and keep workin on it. If you just want to play its going to be really soon! Really soon!
I feel like it is a hard choice in this market especially when you see games that are free are a huge success with micro or gatcha transactions.
I feel better about one-time pricetags, because it's more like the physical games I used to buy when I was younger. You'd go to the store and get the thing and then it'd be your thing for all eternity (or until someone spilled soda on the cartridge).
right, if they have the content, hit me with a $60 price tag, im down. and then in a year or so release a dlc for 20
I would rather play without ads in my game though. Personally. Maybe that is old school of me.
Ads being micro transactions.
I am using it in that sense. Yes I feel like I am being sold to in my game is like an ad to me.
i agree. i already gave you money that i worked hard for and not youre push for more.
Oh man, I remember playing an MMO that had audio ads as part of their in-game voice chat system. You had to pay to shut them off; it was awful. Ads in a game shop? Fine. Ads in my ear? Aaaaa.
I did see the info graph and I don’t mind a splash page of optional cosmetic things that are fun. Just not in the game itself.
I doubt we would see ads in an aggressive way if they were even considered a thing. Like only if there are loading screens or be integrated into the environmental art. That being said, I would be shocked if a game of this particular design uses an ad-revenue platform.
Like in a shop. Buy for in game money or real money. Not a fan of that.
In my case it would depend on the cost for each item... A certain Sim game I have been buying for years .. has a upfront and expansion cost etc .. Way too expensive to get all the items you might want.... And then another game I have with DLCs and I don't even bother waiting for sales because they are in my reasonable cost range
But those are single player games .. for mmo's I have always felt that a regular payment ( month/quarter/biannual/annual etc ) would be more suited as it would ensure a regular fund to handler server repairs and purchases.
Which is why I prefer a sub because then it is constant upgrades and support that I am supporting monthly
Exactly!
merry christmas ,and happy hollidays
Frankly thr sub model is so unattractive to younger demographics, for practical reasons, that its almost non-viaable
Yeah that is why I said I am old school. I am not young. 😂
lol im 30 and i hate subs because of life/work balance
35 here, but still get carded if I shave.
I did my decade of subs, at my age though Im not as keen to jump into a sub. Only if they offered a service I want or need.
ff14 is my fav mmo but dont play because its sub based.... and ive even purchased all their dlcs. still dont play
I do not acknowledge the existence of age.
Now I'm curious Kaede.
Same Angel but I tried Genshin which is not totally an MMO and I just get annoyed with the model. 😂
yup
that is understandable .. but bear in mind that they have said they are unlikely to sell to children, just that it will be family friendly. [S6] Laurisse — 06/04/2021 We want the game to be enjoyable by all age ranges. We will most likely not be marketing it to children, but safe enough for it to be enjoyed yes How that will decide their monetisation choices I don't know.
Right this isn’t exactly Fortnite.
I forget how NeverWinter Nights did it but I don’t remember the extras being so in my face.
To buy
I misread this as 'they are unlikely to sell children' and instantly pictured Badruu pretending to auction Auni off to the first person who walks by if he's been mischievous that day.
Yeah! Child auction!
Three potatoes, and he's yours!
✋😶
I don't have a ton of time to debate as my lil one is doing laps around the room but
I'd be more than happy with something simular to waht ESO has, the game is buy to play with an optional sub and a cash shop, I am more likely to get a sub and support a game when I'm able if I can keep playing when money is tight
sea of thieves done it quite nice
you buy the game everything but some cosmetics are free
and everything is available if you play enough
this and no man sky
no idea i think it takes 2 years+
Alpha is expected in 2022. Don't forget, if you are interested in playtesting, be sure to sign up at https://www.palia.com/ with your email and complete the brief survey. You might have a chance to get into Alpha testing.
There is no release date yet, the alpha is next year
NICE
nah im not the lucky guy so no thanks ;D
i never had luck so yea im that guy:)
🥶 I can't get warm today. Where's a pile of Zekis when you need 'em?
You know any free access key for me Aery - Calm Mind
hey all, anyone playing this yet?
Greetings and welcome to the Palia Community. Palia is still in development and has no official release date. There have been some vague responses from S6 developers saying "less than 3 years" but we should not necessarily hold that to an official date or current state of the development for the game. The good news of course is that Alpha testing will hopefully be starting sometime in the first half of 2022. So if you are interested in helping playtest Palia, be sure to head for https://www.palia.com, sign up with your email and complete the brief survey. In the meantime, continue to expect updates from Singularity 6 in the #🌠│official-art, #📢│palia-news, and #❓│old-team-answers-alpha channels here on Discord. Hope that helps!
I hope everyone is having a decent day. By the ways, a fun simple #🎭│palia-memes is now up that I hope brings a few chuckles.
hey
Greetings
sup
I have not had supper yet.
soo... why i can't submit my forms formulary
Are you talking about the Google Form to sign up for future playtests at https://www.palia.com
it's not letting me click on the submit button
yee
Carefully review all fields as some of them are mandatory, scroll to the top to see if there are any error messages.
everything is correct without any errors but don't let me submit
And there is no error messages displayed?
nop
What web browser are you using?
opera gx
Try disabling any ad-blockers you have installed.
i will try
all off
and nothing
stay the same
Try unchecking "Opera Turbo" if that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas
Been a decade since I did IT work.
i will try in another browser
I was just about to suggest that.
Good idea; all the results I found regarding Opera GX and Google forms were along the lines of: Help this is broken.
in chrome stay the same
yes, but i try in another browser and stay the same
It wouldn't be unheard of for two browsers to both have issues with Google forms, but it's also possible there's some interference from a protective software on your PC or some kind of weirdness in your browser caches. If it helps, Firefox for sure works.
Dang, normally I would be pinging AmeliaMarz (who is this game's CM) at this pace, but S6 staff are officially on holiday break until January 3rd.
i have to dowdload it
but if works i tell you guys
and what i doo to work
I hope it resolves easily for you. Google themselves suggest doing all the same stuff:
Why can't I submit a Google form?
Try a different browser (Chrome instead of Safari or Firefox instead of Chrome, etc.) Turn off browser plug-ins and extensions. Clear your cache and cookies. Turn offline settings off and on again.
thanks btw
Also check at the bottom of the form and see if there is a "X questions to go" (X being the number of questions that are not fully completed)
just a question, how work alpha and register for some experience in game?
The grammar in your question is confusing me a bit.
i already do that, but no worry i will bring notices soon
my inglish is bad...
sorry
When you register to be in the alpha, that puts your name in a drawing.
hm
The people who will be able to participate in the Alpha will be selected from that list of names.
how do i do it?
By filling out the survey that we are trying to troubleshoot with you.
If you already entered your email, you are registered for playtests. However completing the survey does give the S6 staff a better idea about you to see if you can help playtest.
Important question, are your responses in English?
yes
yes, i wrote an opinion and some ideas for the game in the text... i am a person who likes to read and write so...
On question two did you only select 3 games (they only want up to three)
yes, i sellect gta minecraft and valheim
On questions 3, 4, and 5, did you make sure to confirm one of the possible options.
yes
Can you tell me how many characters you typed in your response on question 6 (if necessary copy into a word document and use the word count function).
what are chances of getting chosen to play?
We don't know how many spots the next alpha will have
All we know is that there will be more than the previous one.
What we can tell you is that during the pre-alpha test last summer is that they brought in 1,400 players, and at the time the discord population was 80,000+ when they started to draw names for pre-alpha. However we have literally no idea how many will make it into the upcoming Alpha test.
And at this point in time the discord has over 115k users.
So many possible pals!
and yet we all hope to get drawn for the next alpha
what MMOs are you guys all playing in the mean time?
Nothing, just got hyped by this "think Animal Crossing and Stardew Valley, beloved by our whole studio with elements from the open-world adventure genre."
this isnt a game this is my seconde life!!!!!!!!!
Many pals!
Second Life 2
Is this real life, or is this Palia?
I cant wait to test Palia
Same
how are you play the game? are a premium sign up or something?
Nah
Us pre-alpha people sent in our applications via that submission site, aaannnd we just got lucky. I think it was also helpful that a good number of us talked quite a bit, so they know we at least communicated.
I was playing WoW, but kinda getting mad about some toxic behavior in that game. Thinking of exploring other MMOs like Black Desert.
-.- so its a loooog wait and luck
The good news of course is that Alpha testing will hopefully be starting sometime in the first half of 2022. So if you are interested in helping playtest Palia, be sure to head for https://www.palia.com, sign up with your email and complete the brief survey. In the meantime, continue to expect updates from Singularity 6 in the #🌠│official-art, #📢│palia-news, and #❓│old-team-answers-alpha channels here on Discord. Hope that helps!
Heyyy guys! First time here, just saw a vid about this video 🙂
Yeah. Alpha testing starts in the first half of next year, but nobody knows the specific day, so it's just sorta... yea.
It's like knowing when the world ends! Is it tomorrow? Is it in 500 years? I don't know, but I'll find out when it gets here!
Welcome to the Palia community. Did you see the annoucement trailer or some content creator's video? (Don't necessarily list which video but I like to ask that to see who is hearing about Palia.)
thanks so much gambit
Aye!
The wait hasn't been too bad, for what it's worth. The devs beep often in the Discord about what they've been working on, so we have plenty of opportunities to drop stacks of ideas on them during their many visits.
They're taking a holiday break at the moment, but that doesn't mean some of them don't still skim anyway. Old habits. And then there's the memes from the community keeping us going since June. 👀
And if you're particularly lucky, you can make an archnemesis like I have with one of the Sarahs.
One of the Sarahs? There's multiple!?

Hola!! Glad to be here can't wait to see where this games potential can go.
hello friends, how is it goin
It goes well. Got my self in a Witcher hype mode. So replaying Witcher games reading the books and watching the show. 
helllooo palians
Blessed Shimmerflies and Happy Holidays Palia Fam!

Less than 3 years with alpha estimated on being first half of 2022
I mean it’s 2022 in 8 days
haha im so silly and omg im so excited
Do bare in mind it’s a closed alpha and only a small percentage of people will get to test it
i hope i get chosen
Fingers crossed! And happy holidays!
i really wanna play it the game looks dope


For the lurkers out there and any newcomers. Welcome to Palia : Chapaa/Chu I Chuuse Chu. Dig through the pile of channels and scavenge information from the gourmet left overs available in the #❔│game-faqs,#❓│old-team-answers-alpha and #🌠│official-art channels and the currently archived #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha channel. The #❔│game-faqs channel includes links to Rin's Overview and Vlad's Detailed FAQ documents. Consuming this information will bring you up to what we know about Palia : The Game so far, along with the recently thrown out blog on the Palia site accessed via the #📢│palia-news channel or the bottom of the Palia site itself. You could even rustle up some ideas before you go home and discard them in the #game-suggestions channel. If you are still not home, then make sure you sign up for an invite on the site and fill in the surveys. Again, welcome and we hope you enjoy waiting with us .
I've just got back from my nap 
HUZZAH!
rofl gambit ... couldnt think of a title yet ?
Nope
is the pfp a hound ?
Eh, sure.
space bound hound ?
Well now I know my next title if needed
👍
Sucks "Unidentifed Friendly Orbiter" didn't fit
It's Christmas Eve Eve!
It's almost 2022 🙂
I wonder if we'll get a special reveal for Christmas?
checks my Palia stocking for reveals
That reminds me, I should break into my candy stash more often
Amelia could surprise us but she did say there would be one more post before she goes quiet until next year. And we had that Monday I think
"See you next year!" -Sent January 1st, 2021 ~ 12:00PM
Now time feels like it's come to an abrupt halt, with that in mind

I need to figure out how to pass more time. Hm.
Oh no ...
what ?
CHRISTMAS EVE IS HERE!
Well it would depend on what signifies a best neighbourhood 🙂
Hah! I'll make a guild that has everyone focusing on the same thing, with everyone doing the same thing in perfect unity! ...I'm the only one in it.
Thai sounds crazy for a mmo.
But I wonder if palua will be doing some sort of seasonal or anual reset type thing
I doubt it. It'd feel very un-cozy and promote people to rush through things to get a taste of it all
You say that, but starting a new often refreshed the mind
They said the world will be growing as the story progresses .. so unlikely to have a reset of the whole world. As one story finishes another chapter is started [S6] BuscoBear — 06/05/2021 Just because one story ends doesn't mean its all over. We'll start a new chapter together.
Perhaps however just in my head here.
There could be things like event gardens ect.
The main reason these kinds of things are good is thru bridge the gap thst time has created.
random events I can get, but whether they will be game created or player / neighbourhood created I don't know.
but random events will imbue that fear of missing out feel which will force people to play more, which goes against playing as little or as much as you want when you want
Trust me, roguelikes can make my blood pressure spike higher than when I accidently crash directly into a mountain.
Yeah but something like a winter garden that last 3 months
Wouldn't really make fomo. Imo.
What would the winter garden be for / do ?
Ah .. a community garden type thing for farmer/gardener types ? Or harvestable by anyone ?
Candy Cane growing, gumdrop patches, the usual
Might be worth putting in #game-suggestions Panemu if you haven't already. Just a little something to explain what, when, why and who etc.
Would you start with the idea of seasonal gardens of winter garden in specific and then lead into the other?
Here's an outlandish idea; how about everything at any time, but giving certain bonuses to the current season to promote people to stick to it?
MORNIN!!
Gambits idea sounds pretty cool
Are they going to add some kind of Pvp/Pve or combat system into the game? I feel like some kind Pve system like guards that protect the town would be nice.
@carmine relic I like seasonal bonuses to default stuff.
Hunting is definitely theorized, but we don't have PVP
The reason for seasonal gardens as a whole would be to give players who need something new something new to work on. @carmine relic
Nobody needs 300 acres of snow peas..
But someones gonna want to grow a lot of snow peas.
Pvp is very low on the scale .. with combat slightly above it. Hunting is the nearest to combat at the moment but they may add optional traditional combat at a later date and if they do consider PvP later on down the line that will be optional as well. But these could be well after release as they are not the priority.
Hm. Tgats a pretty nice idea. Still, giving freedom to do anything but encouraging them to diversify via said bonus is a thought I really can't get rid of
Aye. Heck, maybe even a guild thing, too?
Yeah.
It's be quite cool to have the whole crew work togeher on the same goal, especially if it's a kind that specializes in a certain skill
That sounds good, anyway I really like animal crossing type game idea so I dont really mind if they add PVP but I think that (monster or animal) hunting would really diversify the materials and occupations in game
👋
Aye, good morning!
Well there is definitely a hunting skill but we don't know what it involves outside of using a bow and arrow ( from their announce video ). Here's what they feel about PvP
From June Q & A
PvP doesn't exist in the game. If/when it is added it'd be opt in```
From [#❓│old-team-answers-alpha](/guild/809856101326913567/channel/851872208196206602/)
[#❓│old-team-answers-alpha message](/guild/809856101326913567/channel/851872208196206602/)
Combat :
```[S6] Aidan — 06/06/2021
Hi Jeguer, we're not ready to get into detail on this yet, but we'll have both combat like systems, such as Hunting, and eventually more traditional combat. Like most of our skills, you'll be able to choose your level of participation in it.```
Action:
```[S6] Bourbon — 06/06/2021
Hunting is the most action-oriented skill in the pre-alpha. It's NOT combat. We have some really exciting plans in the "action" space for this game, but I can't tell you anything about them right now. Your patience is appreciated here.```
Good evening! 
So no sword?
Nothing has been mentioned about swords specifically. The phrase Blacksmiths make more than weapons hint at something other than the bow and arrow but we won't know more until they tell us.
My main worry is monster hunting starts to get relegiois no matter which way you go about it.
If I can't run into the forest swinging a 12 foot-long sword, what's the point?
Well we just need to wait for more info
berserk type beat
Although .. Ashura's broom is a repurposed sword .. so does that mean all weapons outside of bow and arrow for hunting are removed or that he has just retired from needing it
That does make ya wonder, why repurpose the sword? Has it been so long since there's been a fight that swords legit became useless?
Its a realy really hard balance to strike
thats what I am wondering .. how long ago did he have it repurposed
In the combat thing.
Unless it's for just scaring some people who aren't acting the nicest.
We are supposed to be getting some more animals/critters revealed to us next year and some of the crafting details at some point in the near future. Hopefully between them will glean some info on hunting etc.
This #❓│old-team-answers-alpha entry describes how they are building the world .. #❓│old-team-answers-alpha message
Like when you originally said monster hunting my initial thought was like scaring ghost and pixies from crops.
I don't know if we will have monsters as such .. although it is a fantasy world so who's to say that that big growly hairy animal that you can hunt can't be classed as a monster to some people 🤷♀️
Now I wonder what creatures Palia has. Good thing the critter reveal is coming!
I think.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS! 
SANTA ARRIVED EARLY!
Yeah, so ya arrived early
imagine getting this Chapaa from under the Christmas tree
yea coz ducks can't be predictable
Obviously it'd dig and rip right through the present within a few minutes
Ducks have plenty predictable properties. Probably
But I'm not entirely sure. I'm just a """physicist""" (Title debatable), not a duck-olagist
imma be back on lurk mode
**dives back to pond
Oooooh how exciting! I cannot wait for that! 
Not always. We established a few months ago that Duck can vibrate through physical matter - that's how they keep sneaking into my house. I come down to investigate the slapping feet on my kitchen floor at 1am and often find them raiding the pantry with Turtle (every other time it's just Berry returning to his Chapaa roots). Turtle is probably getting in through the mail slot, but I can't just not have mail, right?
It's an ongoing struggle.
All of you need to go to bed!
You first!
good morning u guys
I'm already in bed :v
good morning
good evening?
its 3 am
3am :P
Time isn't real
Well so am i

Time is real but can be bent in stupid ways so it can be treated as unreal
i just wanna play some palia
Don't we all?
fr
Dr strange is the marvel dude right? I can't keep up with all these super hero movies getting pumped out lol
yes indeed
lol
I dont really watch marvel but I like Dr stone
Tony Maguire is the one true spiderman T.T he's all we ever needed
TONY
LOL TONY
My phone changed it omg
MY PHONE DID IT
auto correct out to get ya
I would never wrongly name my beautiful ugly crying spiderman toby
tobey
Good early morning everyone. Long time lurker here
🙄
lol still spelt it wrong
morning!
No he spells it wrong :v
fr
no its tobey
Nobody is named tobey
BROOO
Toobey
im watching the new hot ones episode with gordon ramsey again ahahaha
Oh is he on a 2nd time?
nice
are u from the us?
I mean after last time I kind of expected it lol
nice
No Im from Georgia/Russia
Its not europe its Eurasia
After watching him absolutely butcher a grilled cheese sandwich, I immediately disregarded him as a chef
yes thanks
i wanna go to russia
I'm from over in ???
pastel it still probably tasted good
Russia is MID
chaayka ik ive travelled to 23 countries and i wanna go to russia
WOW
The cheese wasn't melted and the bread was burnt
where have u been
That's impressive
I suggest traveling to Georgia🇬🇪
Wow thats so nice
PAKISTAAAN
yesssirrrr
WOOOW HES A PILOT GRAAAPE
LMFAO
Oh yeah well I've been all over the eastern half of the US :v
US is beautiful but < europe
especially northern countrys in europe
or eastern europe
I wanna go to finland
chayka whats ur background
dangeraous for ur ears
if u dont mind me asking
wdym
No I live in Georgia,The country
My dad is Russian, my mom is georgian but they are split so I live w my mom(Im a minor)
and bermese
nice
oh cool (im not a minor)
I actually lived 5 years in germany and speak German fluent
isint it hard to learn german
Irish as heck and sorry if they ever comes.off the wrong way.
ive been only travelling for 1 year
for me it wasnt I was a kid
Nah German is easy
Not that easy tbh
i turned 19 this year and ive travelled so much im so happy
I'll eventually pick up the language again
Thats wonderfull I wanna be in every single country one day
@peak escarp
Critter Reveal info from Amelia -
The main Critter Reveal post - #💬│palia-discussions message
How many we might see - #💬│palia-discussions message
And Crafting info from Twitter -
https://twitter.com/playPalia/status/1468738089895936000?s=20
huh?
unfortunately there are some countries you cannot enter
afghanistan
lol
thats sometimes depending on the situtation
do you guys play any other games?
ofc
wdym other games we cant even play this game yet
ik ik

anyone play val?
🦾 me
wanna play?
anyone apex?
ill play on georgian servers lol
not now but sometime shure
there are no georgian servers there is a turkish one
cool
#🎮│other-games please 
yes sorry
Red tortoise
hwhat
I don't know if food will expire in palia. But reminder of me being irish as heck also has a really cool idea. But I'm not sure if there's a term you could use for it not being alcohal.
night! :)
food won't expire/rot [S6] BuscoBear — 06/04/2021 No to rot
Then no need.
I ur irish u only need beer and butter, hope they eont expice
expire
i hate beer ;-;
Okay Im a minor
im 19
in canada u can drink at 19 hehehehe
In germany 16
for beer
for vodka aso its 18
its pretty gooood
ive only tried corona
but yeah not the best one
i like whiskey
ew try german beer
I was going to say you could turn it into some other product.
where tf am i gonna get german beer LMFAO

