💬│palia-discussions

[ember lynx]

i dont mind :3 im into cutesy idol-y stuff

theyre just girlbossing its ok /j

https://tenor.com/view/slay-queen-yass-you-ate-omg-gif-3517938532433791187

[normal saddle]

speaking of sphere-kun, I can't open the chest I found in bahari. Is this an issue amongst all chests or is it just a glitch where chests you already found are showing up again, like someone in game suggested?

[marsh depot]

I honestly haven't actually been to Bahari/played in months, so I really wouldn't know :(. I know some patches ago, chests that were already picked up were showing again, so it might be the case

[thorn temple]

likely already clicked ones are back, like some achieves have reachieved

[normal saddle]

Well, at least using a guide to help me find the others (Litterally only found one more with Sphere Kun's help. I've been looking for months. ) then Sphere-kun can make it more visible for me, which is nice

[thorn temple]

silver lining \o/

[scarlet hazel]

wonder how they bugged the chest tbh

[normal saddle]

Maybe same way we have the accidental "skylights" with the glitched lighting. Thankfully, just seems to be visual bugs. So maybe someone just bumped into the code and messed it up. Although with the skylight, either the code got confused with the observatory lighting or maybe skylights are coming as a new feature. I can't remember what a certain apple dessert themed dev mentioned- allegedly-

[scarlet hazel]

ngl skylights sound sick to have

[normal saddle]

It really does my sun room boutta get sunnier

[scarlet hazel]

but ik if its ever put into the game the colors will just be washed out and all

[normal saddle]

especially since it only has a bay window facing the forest, for sunlight. TBH not my best placement but it's way to pretty to move now

[normal saddle]

I personally think the palia rooms get too dark if you don't have a window, so maybe builders can adjust the light level with some fancy tricks with curtians?

[scarlet hazel]

maybe. i find the lighting to be way too bright and just not spread out enough. its way too concentrated

[normal saddle]

I agree on the concentration. I feel like an ant currently getting fried by some kid with a magnifying glass

[scarlet hazel]

thats exactly what it feels like 😭 💀

[normal saddle]

Planted trees and the shade makes it look pretty and managable, but around my garden area it's too bright since I don't want trees around my plants since my gardening heart just can't bare it.

[dry swift]

Speaking of trees, did they ever fix plot flow trees?

[fiery perch]

yes

[hot terrace]

They are fixed since the Last Update already

[dry swift]

That's good to know.

[radiant sonnet]

hey so i recently started playing palia, again, and have a question about stickers. can u get them while playing? if so, how

[lyric night]

they are a rare drop and drop from basically everything, hunting, fishing, bugcatching, chopping wood, foraging, mining, tilling ur soil

[normal saddle]

Got reth saying "oops" after I caught a catfish again.

[tribal field]

The home tour flash gave me an instant migraine. Epilepsy + sudden white flashing doesn’t go good together. I really hope they fix it with the coming hotfix.

[marsh depot]

I'm sorry to hear, I hope you feel alright soon 🩷 /gen. Sadly it seems they still haven't managed to resolve the white screens entirely but sincerely hoping they push that as a priority, though I'm not sure if that's the focus of the hotfix (if someone else has info, please share it).

[lethal granite]

i also have epilepsy and as a result stopped playing the game really wish like palcat said they’d prioritize fixing it and also not add more of them to the game!

[marsh depot]

It really does upset me that it's a persistent issue people shouldn't have their health put at risk playing a game.

[loud axle]

Psst Anner are you lurking?

[radiant sonnet]

is there one u can get it more commonly from?

[fiery perch]

I know this was said a while ago, but yes, same here. I don't have epilepsy or anything, but im photosensitive-- and I get headaches and migraines very easily. Palia isn't friendly when ti comes to that.

And the white flashes inbetween loading screens.. I ended up with a really bad headache and migraine on patch day, and had to go to bed early and try to rest. I had a headache the day after, from it still, too. (saying this to say i sympathize, i understand at least to some extent, etc.)

...I've brought it up a few times here (to appy and to WC), so im really really hoping they work on it and fix it.

[tribal field]

If they can’t fix the issue I can’t actively play anymore until it is fixed. I can’t get rid of my migraine to save my life rn and it’s so anger inducing because palia is my comfort game since I can’t work and need something to keep me busy

[marsh depot]

I know I already said it but, you're really appreciated Ori, but your health will always come first

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I understand that. It really sucks. It's why I-- and others-- have tried to talk a lot and speak up about needing more accessibility in the game... if not for myself, then for others who have this game as a comfort. It's honestly really ridiculous at this point.

[fiery perch]

I appreciate you And I know. It's why i've told myself now, I refuse to load up the game on patch days, until I know for a fact this is fixed.

[tribal field]

This game is going to die unless they start being more transparent and show they care. But the population of their epileptic/disabled players probably isn’t enough for them to pay special attention to anything but monetization right now.

[marsh depot]

Even I am not photosensitive per se, but have friends/relatives who are and it's just... so disappointing and frustrating. I helped Ori and a few other friends test the snowball issue back when it was happening and while it didn't give me a migraine, it did strain my eyes quite a bit.

I can't get behind their cash shop while these issues persist. Your health is always more important and I hope you can find another comfort game that won't harm your health.

[fiery perch]

As I always say, it genuinely doesn't matter how many or how little the population, or playerbase, there is that are epileptic or disabled. That should always be a priority, imho. (I know you probably agree, it's just something I always feel like I have to say. Accessibility is so important.)

[tribal field]

I was one to give excuses for them just a couple of months ago but now I can’t. It’s too bad. I’ve spent well over $100+ on this game for cosmetics and such. I’ve commissioned art of my character because I love it so much. I just wish they would listen for 5 minutes and tell us they are working on a solution for all of it.

[fast sonnet]

If you're making a video game and you intend for humans to play it, accessibility will always be a concern worth addressing. Doesn't matter which game, doesn't matter how many people play it.

That is a non-negotiable.

And then those same people will huff and puff when told the same about another non-life threatening aspect of the game. Makes me wanna -table flip-

[fiery perch]

And it's like... Accessibility can also just be options-- like, cough VFX toggle. Some people who may not need it exactly, might prefer it because they might find a lot of it pointless. And it'd also help with graphics since it'd be less clutter on the screen. Just giving an example, ofc.

[tribal field]

As a person with epilepsy I understand to an extend that I have to monitor my own choice of content. There are certain things I don’t play because it’s just not epilepsy friendly and I know I can’t do anything about that. But for a small game and a small dev team to ignore the pleas for some extra accessibility in favor of monetizing…

checks notes

Googly eye glasses… it’s just awful.

[marsh depot]

Honestly... one never knows when you're gonna be in need of accessibility options. It benefits everyone in the bigger picture. But I guess that's what happens when you place profits over player experience.

[fast sonnet]

I'm sorry, it's not funny but I actually cry laughed when I saw those. FIX THE GAME, FFS. Lol

[loud axle]

There seems to be this idea that "well it wasn't made for you" and I'm just like... that applies to something like someone with thalassophobia complaining about Subnautica. Basic accessibility options for lighting, UI, etc. should be in everything because that helps everyone.

[marsh depot]

The problem is the lack of warnings this game has for the increasingly number of flashes present. Star Rail has a warning everytime you load up the game. It's a basic black screen with white text on top.

[fiery perch]

And to an extent, I understand that. And I think I told you at the time, when you mentioned this in the past, the reason why I get frustated with S6 in that regard is um... well,

Palia still doesn't have a photosensitivity warning. I think there was one when you make an account (idk if it's still there), but I know there isn't one when you load the game on PC.

It's hard to be aware of a game that might be an issue, when there's no warning or mention of it, you know? Like having a warning is like the bare minimum. :(

(I know technically there is one on switch, but that is Nintendo's warning, not S6/Palia. That's like the generic one on every game.)

[fast sonnet]

Heck, even people who don't normally have vision issues might be playing one day and go "damn i have a headache" and the option to change the lighting should just... ✨️Be there✨️

[marsh depot]

Yeppp. How are you expecting to make money if your players can't play the game

[fast sonnet]

That is of course an example but yeah

[fiery perch]

This, and when I talk about better Brightness/Contrast sliders (Not the gamma one omg, that one is honestly not helpful in my experience for Palia) ...

The brightness/darkness, i've learned while being in this discord, varies from person to person... because it can change depending on the monitor, and this and that, you know. I've seen a lot of folks say the game is too dark, while someone else will say it's too bright, etc. It varies so much. it'd help everyone.

[tribal field]

There are glitches I literally can’t handle. Like in bahari bay the water at times strobes so much I have to shut the game off. Idk what that even is but it’s insane. The shadows strobe too.

[vagrant lotus]

this is the most important part. things made for people with different needs pretty much always benefit the able bodied community. so literally why not?

[fast sonnet]

Exactly

[marsh depot]

Same. I have astigmatism and after they made the lighting all weird I had really bad eye strain. I can only play with glasses now but it still would make me strain my eyesight so much after playing for so long.

[tribal field]

You are absolutely right. It shouldn’t take someone having a seizure for palia to put proper warnings in their opening screens.

[fiery perch]

See, and this is where I would normally try to recommend, at least for the water, to try turning the "effects" to low, if that'd help at all. (I genuinely dont know, i just know th ewater effect stop when it's set to low or 0) ...

But then, there's the issue of some of the flashes to be more opaque, and bright, and even worse. so it's like.. a double-edged sword. there's no winning with it...

[marsh depot]

Palia players deserve so much better. Specially those asking for accessibility options.

[fast sonnet]

As someone who gets cluster migraines if the wind blows the wrong way, it is really disheartening to see that this doesn't even appear to be on their radar right now. Unless it is. In which case, why aren't they saying anything?!

[vagrant lotus]

I mean according to things I've heard/read, people have already been in the hospital for this game and the warning they did add was in the announcement tab and is now long gone.

So it's literally because they don't care/want to IMO

[fast sonnet]

Oh my god, that reads like "If we ignore them, they'll go away"

[marsh depot]

~~I mean you're not wrong ~~

[fiery perch]

They did a warning when the snowballs were up, and we pushed for it to have some sort of public warning like that.

They edited the announcement message, meaning, it wouldn't even pop up for those because... it isnt new. So it was still barely seen and was at the bottom.

[vagrant lotus]

I wish I had a better eye roll reaction

[scarlet hazel]

tbh if a lawsuit happens cause s6 refuses to add any accessability is a big /shrug and "...well we told you so" moment

[marsh depot]

I was about to say this. They're really lucky there hasn't been any yet.

[scarlet hazel]

somehow anyway

[vagrant lotus]

I wanna fax this to their office sometimes

[marsh depot]

I can provide with this one

[vagrant lotus]

I have this one from a horror movie server I'm in lmao

[marsh depot]

Sphere-kuns long lost cousin /j

[tribal field]

Oh if I have a seizure because of palia S6 will know

[young plank]

Better then long momo shivers

[marsh depot]

Long momo isn't real, it can't hurt you

Long momo:

[young plank]

if anything in palia could look like momo here. What would you think would mimic him? pekis?

[thorn temple]

what on earth are those o.o

[marsh depot]

Don't give them ideas /s

Probably the chapaas though.

[hollow crescent]

we’ll find out in elderwoods

[young plank]

omg i swear if it happens in palia too im yeeting it with fire

[warm python]

why must I suffer this horror while not having Nikki open /lh

[fallow saffron]

Wanted to say bye yall!

[warm python]

Peacin' out?

[fast sonnet]

Suddenly I cannot access any of the guild shops

[hollow crescent]

i’d try relaunching the game (steam did an update i think incase you play on that)

[fast sonnet]

Yup, just did

That's strange

[ember lynx]

nvm palia won’t take my money 😔

I need more gamr quests :(

[wispy abyss]

game has an update!?

[runic eagle]

It did on the 25th #📢│palia-news message

[tender mantle]

I also had an update available when I got home within the last 30 minutes. Not the 0.190 update, something new tonight.

On Steam, if that matters

[runic eagle]

Yeah if you play on Steam, they had an update.

But the in-game launcher and the game itself was the 25th.

[forest herald]

I'm currently upgrading also on Steam 🤨

[marsh depot]

Like someone mentioned in general, it's just a steam update. Not an update for the game or a hotfix. #💬│palia-general message

[forest herald]

Seems strange then it was only Palia and no other games I have

[marsh depot]

I wouldn't know 🤷‍♂️ Just passing down information so people don't believe it's the hotfix.

[lyric night]

update was for Palia itself
they pushed it live a few hours ago

[forest herald]

So far game is behaving its self.. "Touch Wood"

[marsh depot]

Odd they didn't make an announcement but something something communication I guess

[mighty ibex]

My game has been crashing nonstop all day no matter what I do and only doubled when I tried to go underground ☹️

Specifically the entrance by the sewers

[calm jackal]

whatever it was, I still can't even log in

[viral pecan]

Are we ever going to be able to gift or sell furniture?

[outer gust]

Mine has also been super crashy today, like 5+ times ;-; it's always when I'm loading from place to place

[runic eagle]

#📢│palia-status message

[teal forum]

Smoll patch today ?

[red pond]

Smoll patch and now I can't open the game at all I hope this is fixed soon

[solar quartz]

20 crashes in a row. i give up.

[ember rampart]

Yes, it's frustrating to restart the game like 5 times during the black market, only to change server and buy stuff.
I hope it will be fixed

[rare pine]

Did these crashes not show up in play tests/QA? They had to right?

[thorn temple]

That's assuming they have those at all, or enough time for some form of one.

Their internal build will always be different to live shards, same in every game, so even the smallest of things can go horribly wrong. But Palia as you know has always been plagued by it, like every patch iirc. So yeah I'd assume QA is too diminished/not enough of them/not enough time/etc

But as EA showed the world, why not make players do it for them, under the guise of early access/similar wording.

[ember rampart]

Oh, I hope to be fixed before Maji. I would like to be able to play and win prizes, not to crash all the time as we all do now

[mighty ibex]

I’ll try it again when I get home, I really wanna progress the story line and I can’t without the market

[fast sonnet]

What in the inception is this

[hollow crescent]

it’s kinda how their reflections work but it probably bugged there

[fast sonnet]

Okay, I was super concerned that my graphics card was having a moment

[thorn temple]

hmm, I think Hassian has seen the underverse

[fast sonnet]

I wonder what he'd think of the whole "you keep what you kill" thing

[thorn temple]

he'd have one huge pile of chapaa corpses lol

[dire river]

[Chills voice] 15 scary reflections that make you question reality

[wise moat]

Try verifying the files

If you’re on steam

[surreal lodge]

it's bug they know about. I was going through it yesterday too

[prime olive]

Yay a new update, hopefully it fixes all the mess ups from the last update.

[prime olive]

ok I think I figured out the problem, fingers crossed, hopefully. as long as I stay in my original plot and do not go to one of the other plots the game seems to work, but if I try to play from one of my other plots it constantly crashes and when it finally loads it only loads a purple starfield nothing else. so even though they have done yet another update, I am still unable to play the game on any of my other plots.

[marsh depot]

Just in case, do you happen to have any chapaa arcade machines in your other plots?

[warm python]

I'm hearing from others more savvy with this stuff than me that the problem lays moreso in map transitions (loading in also counts as one) but

[tranquil musk]

The arcade machine makes no difference... I have 3 accounts .... one has the machine and the other two don't and I experience the same problem on all three accounts....

[warm python]

arcade machines may be a red herring though they've had issues in the past

[marsh depot]

Ok.. just was trying to ask since a dev mentioned this recently #💬│palia-discussions message but 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil musk]

The machine may have caused other problems but for this specific update crashes it is definitely not the machine....

[marsh depot]

Alright, just disregard it then 👍

[fiery perch]

They're just trying to help. The machine has seemed to at least be one of the reasons, but not the full reasons for the crashes. It was, and is, a common denominator for some people/folks.

Whether this is a machien on your plot, someone else on the same server as you, the one in Kilima (zeki's), or in the underground. Again, not saying this is the cause for everything, but it was just a common denominator for some.

[brisk spruce]

nothing wrong with mentioning it, it's still good for people to see the dev messages. you were just trying to help

[thorn temple]

Still not crashed today, been in all zones... Palia be crazy yo.

[tranquil musk]

Currently I am not playing because I cant log into the game... this has been since the update... very frustrating

[fiery perch]

There's also been some folks who have had better luck with making sure the game was running in DX11 instead of DX12 (via making sure in the config files, since the settings in the game isn't always accurate with what it shows), and having some of it fixed/helped.

[brisk spruce]

it may very well be multiple different problems, or it might be a problem that isn't exclusive to the arcade machines but is made worse by them

[thorn temple]

Time to get a chapaa army going Storm, then we riot and charge!

[tranquil musk]

Good idea...

[marsh depot]

Thank you both Kali and Ori ❤️ , it just can get a bit discouraging trying to help people sometimes.

[prime olive]

I do have a machine on original plot, I will remove it just to see if it makes a differance

I did not seem to have the problem though until I put the new items on my alternate plot, the rocks and landscaping

no

I am thinking it might be the new landscaping items

had no problems until I used those on alt plot

[tranquil musk]

If I could get into the game I will also remove mine but that seems to be a tall order in itself....

[prime olive]

I was finally able to when it finally loaded to the purple star field I tried to bring up the map and click return to home plot and that got me home so I was able to get into game

now I am going to remove all the landscaping items, rocks and yardwork terraces on my alt plot because those items seemed to cause the problem

[thorn temple]

I doubt it'd be them on another plot tbh, they'd do it regardless as the "default" plot is the one you last logout from.

In which case I had 0 problems with the new stuff and I'd made a train station; got bored with it within a day and went back to minimalism lol..

[prime olive]

no actually I was on my alt plot when I logged out and when all the crashes and problems started

[tranquil musk]

My daughter played with me for a little while and has basically nothing on her plot... after building her first house she stopped playing... I tried getting into her account and her account has the same problems... If I do get on it crashes when I move to Bahari or Kilima...

[thorn temple]

I'd imagine they've changed something backend, again, and it's messed everything up.

[tranquil musk]

The game must be broken because of the update and not something we have or don't have....

[tranquil musk]

Agree...

[prime olive]

well all landscaping on alt plot has been removed and the arcade game on original plot too, will let you all know if it works.

[hasty grail]

Hello everyone! I’d like to ask if there is a website for tracking flowers. Even just a list of the flowers available in the game would be helpful. I personally have 18 types of flowers, but I know I don’t have all of them yet. I need to find out which ones I’m missing and how to get them. Thanks in advance for your answers! Please ping me if you reply 🥰

[brisk spruce]

the problem is the updates often break things that already exist in the game, so it can be because of the update... while being related to something specific that was old at the same time

doesn't mean it is this time, but at any time it can be

[tranquil musk]

Yes that makes sense...

[prime olive]

nope removing all those landscape items and the arcade game did not stop the problems, it is defiantly the update, it has mega problems, bummer as I will not be able to keep playing the game. They need to fix soon or will loose a lot of customers and players.

[thorn temple]

you on PC or switch though windy?

[prime olive]

PC

[thorn temple]

gawd noes what they've done then, I've still not crashed today

[prime olive]

I send the report every time

[tranquil musk]

Yes definitely the update....

[prime olive]

hopefully the 50+ times crashing since update info helps them figure it out

well, so long all I can't play the game anymore until they fix it.

[brisk spruce]

I havent crashed on PC yet this update interestingly

[tranquil musk]

Apparently they don't work on the weekends so it will be next week before we know the outcome of their search for answers...

[scarlet hazel]

hearing about all the crashing is making me not wanna play anymore

[prime olive]

I thought it might be steam so I made sure steam was up to date also

[scarlet hazel]

💀

[tranquil musk]

It is not steam I even verified my files it made no difference

[prime olive]

lol I don't get a random white screen I get a random very pretty purple starfield

[thorn temple]

ooooo windy is hearing the voices of the void lords

[prime olive]

lol

I will show a pic in a min

[tranquil musk]

Can you press any buttons at the screen... Like H or esc.

If I remember correctly someone said they were able to navigate to their plot from the starfield screen...

[prime olive]

looking up, down all around this is all I get a purple starfield lol

yeah that was me lol

[tranquil musk]

At least it is beautiful...

[prime olive]

yes that was me but every crash this is where I end up

lol yes it is

[tranquil musk]

Sitting here thinking about it I am jealous you get a starfield and I get kicked out...😢

[prime olive]

well that is just where I end up after I try to log in several times after crash and finally it loads to the starfield. lol

[tranquil musk]

Do we really have to wait until Monday before they look into it further.... It is taking a long time for them to get to the bottom of the problem.... me sighing heavily...

[thorn temple]

yarp, mon-fri work hours for them

[prime olive]

I know! withdrawal over the weekend from not being able to play. 😱 😭

[thorn temple]

earliest patch would generally be wed/thurs - if they know what's going on

which also sadly means another 3hr+ downtime

people that can't get in, no difference for them heh

[prime olive]

well, guess I am shutting down my computer for a week, maybe I will take a ride on my motorcycle. 😀 have a good weekend everyone.

[tranquil musk]

You too enjoy...

[tranquil musk]

We have to accept our fate and move on.... thank you for the response...

[thorn temple]

trapped in the void, forever!

[outer gust]

Man y'all get sent to a pretty void when your game crashes?? Mine just straight up shuts down and goes right to the crash report

[brisk spruce]

that's where they go when they log back in after the crash. you can end up there for some other reasons too (or at least used to?) though I dont remember any of them anymore

I could guess at the other ways but I dont want to be wrong so

[thorn temple]

time for a crash refund tbh, get your money back and demand the void!

[calm jackal]

Day 5 of being completely unable to log in. Is my broken record impression getting any better?

[tranquil musk]

RNG determines whether you get a starfield or a crash report.... 😆

[thorn temple]

head to the in game store, for 600 coins you can crash in the void \o/

[tranquil musk]

A new Landscape..... would be awesome....

But it must have the same purple glow...

I have it on my plot...

Agree but the void color is much more beautiful...

When I am on my plot I don't know if it is day or night if I don't look at the time because it is always dark... confuses me sometimes...

[wispy abyss]

Me just enjoying my default lot

[tranquil musk]

The default plot is also very beautiful...

[minor hornet]

So i wanna make a new cooking plot but I'm stuck on which building to use. Should I use the Conservatory or the Gazebo!?

[tiny iris]

Personally, I would go with the Conservatory.

[quick edge]

at this point s6 should be play testing patches and updates because omg this is ridiculous

[hollow crescent]

they so from waht we been told, they test like a month or 2 in advance, idk what is causin everything but their lookin into it... i just hope they start to look at that more, i know we want content, but fr until elderwoods is released they need to see what is goin on before no one is playing xD

[thorn temple]

I'd like to think they have their own, some mods and maybe alpha's (still under NDA) that are allowed in early to see if the basic stuff works... but that nagging feeling of nah is there heh

[supple finch]

I've crashed like 3 times playing a bunch since the update and my mom on the switch only crashed once so far it seems random

[rustic vessel]

its a known issue, not sure if they are having a hotfix

interesting thought lol, it makes a lot of sense bc i know switch players have the worst experience

[thorn temple]

heh hotfix

[lethal granite]

yeah… i’d rather they delay ew and focus on other issues (both technically such as accessibility and stability, but also things like their processes and inter-team communication.) it doesn’t really square for me that it feels like we only get issues pushed through to the studio when people who work there randomly decide to pop in :/

really hoping they make that CM hire before the ew release, but the job posting made it sound like they’re looking for one whose hire date will coincide with the launch

[hollow crescent]

yea im thinkin that too, that the cm will be for ew update. :/

[marsh depot]

I'd really rather they released an update solely for QoL/Accessibility or even just fixing bugs instead of updates mostly consisting of some furniture/plushies and more cash shop stuff. (not disagreeing though, I'd also rather they delayed EW until the game is stable enough but, we'll see)

[lethal granite]

spoilered cos walls of text don’t agree with everyone. shield thine eyes if needed!
||i want to be clear that everything i’m about to say is purely my opinion/speculation and i have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes: i’m worried the thinking process is that players won’t play without us giving them new stuff (like the furniture, plushies, and shop stuff), and we need an active player base, so we’ll continue to release those to keep players coming back. but, like… i literally can’t play bc of the accessibility issues, and now folks who aren’t affected by the stuff that prevents me from playing are getting a glimpse of what it’s like to be me bc they literally can’t play since it’s crashing so much.||

||the updates they have been giving do appeal to what i assume are their core base at this point (ppl who love decor, plush hunting/trading, and people who like the outfits or buy them bc they enjoy what the game is offering.) but, like… those people can’t even play the game if it’s crashing constantly (or if it gives them physical issues — even the people i know who are in all three of those categories have told me they can’t play very long without getting eye strain/headache/etc.) it’s not just photosensitive ppl.||

oof, was tryna split my response up so it’s not so wall of text-y, but this didn’t really help lol

i’ll spoiler instead

||idk why you’d pool your resources towards the new when even the people who are your most active players/purchasers can’t play the game. i plum don’t get it.||

[marsh depot]

I agree completely with what you said here, it has been my concern for a while too. Like many have pointed out, most of the updates nowadays just feel like "filler" content that's only geared towards inflating player counts (again, 100% speculation) and no susbtantial gameplay feature, QoL or just basic accessbility options (which I get can take time but this is also where a roadmap would help).

[marsh depot]

And yup, you'd think it'd be obvious but.. I guess we'll still have to wait and see but I know so many people are also tired of waiting, and I don't blame them (myself included).

[lethal granite]

idek if the focus is increasing player count. feels like they’re giving updates for the folks who enjoy decorating/plushies/premium outfits. which may also align with increasing player count. i’m just not sure what the expectation is when those folks can’t even play the game bc of stability/accessibility. just feels like they could balance what they’re working on a lot better. it feels so… focus on what’s flashy and new!, both the updates and the expectations they’ve been setting up for ew. but… it’s not like anyone’s been quiet about wanting the existing stuff to be better.

[marsh depot]

Yeah definitely. We can only speculate so much and it's hard to tell what their focus or aim really is (aside from, you know).

[lucid hornet]

well, we don’t have much insight / information but their maingoals were clearly announced by daybreak.
Release Palia for more consoles and first big content update aka EW.
No clue about PS/Xbox and their policies, but if there’s nothing in terms of accessibility I would not expect much changes this year, at least not before Q4, regarding bugs, guess it’s a coinflip. If they can allocate enough time Id guess they gonna fix as much as possible before releasing to new platforms, but at the same time, the time until then seems pretty limited.

Filler updates also make sense, either because of limited resources / time or to increase the amount / quality of content in EW.
Not that I like it, but Id say thats kinda normal in their situation.

[marsh depot]

Yeah again, like I said, it's just speculation. I guess I should've made it clearer.

[loud axle]

Quote from one of my favorite S6 GlassDoor reviews (a former employee:)

"There is almost no insight into what people who try Palia and stop playing it are not finding, they instead focus on what the most diehard players like."

[hollow crescent]

:/

https://tenor.com/view/different-remove-venndiagram-venn-diagram-gif-13360800655017572521

[outer gust]

just had my 5th crash of the day

[woven sage]

I had no clue that Daybreak was part of palia until i started reading the discord, and all the issues everyone is having with crashes and bugs makes 10000% sense knowing Daybreak is working on things.

[woven sage]

This is what daybreak does. You will get premium content, plushies, etc before you get anything fixed. I know this from h1z1. Went from being the most popular battle royale game to you cant even find a match anymore because they never fixed anything that anyone wanted fixed.

[brisk spruce]

actually - we've had problems like this since before daybreak bought S6

things got fixed faster before Palia was on Switch, but once it was put on switch & they started cutting their staff for the acquisition (months beforehand, multiple layoff rounds) we got fixes & updates much slower

all new quest/npc/story content stopped dead in its tracks though with the acquisition. until we finally got the end of the prologue quest

[woven sage]

Honestly I keep forgetting its on switch tbh. So thank you for reminding me. Yeah that's not good. The one thing good about daybreak I will say is though, is that they probably will get the decor limit to up itself because (base building in h1z1 is a thing and they didnt have limits until they changed ownership) So I think daybreak will listen to the building aspects for everyone tbh. The bugs tho, they are bad at fixing bugs. I hope that has changed tbh. I really do.

[quick edge]

id rather wait even longer for elderwoods if it means we get all these major bugs/accessibility fixes. im tired of new paid cosmetics. nah. give us a playable game please.

[lethal granite]

for a while, i thought the opposite was true! that things like plushes and decor were there to pull ppl in to the game and that there wasn’t rly anything to keep longtime players who’d run out of content around (that’s where i was at a few months before snowballs came back — just playing with friends and helping new players get stuff like plushes, sq bugs, etc.) it’s kinda unclear who they’re trying to appeal to with their updates atp?

[quick edge]

i hate that lately theres been more new items in the microtransaction shop than bug fixes in the patch notes. like what? the game is unplayable for majority of the player base, but thank goodness we have cosmetics to buy!!

[outer gust]

And the prices on top of that? You want me to spend $30CAD on a skin for a game I can barely go a couple hours without a full crash?

[quick edge]

give me a game that i can play without thinking "wonder whats gonna break next patch. hopefully it doesnt affect anyones physical health or send someone to the hospital!" then ill buy some cosmetics. like??

[lyric night]

daybreak is just providing money and managing work

they are not actively developing the game

the decorlimit is for performance reasons, not bcs the devs don't want us to decorate more.
they already communicated that they are working on housing optimization to allow a decor limit increase in the future

has nothing to do with "not listening to the playerbase"

[warm python]

They drove themselves into a wall with the switch release, simple as that.

If and how decor limits will change in the future, who knows, but they're stuck to whatever the switch will allow. And as someone who loves my Switch, it was such a huge mistake to port it to it, honestly

[signal kayak]

odds are in favor that when more people have access to the switch 2 (so maybe sometime 2026 if game lasts that long) we maybe able to see an overhaul for the limitations, as the switch 2 should be comparable to a ps4 (according to spec leaks)

though then again, maybe not as palia will always be as good as it's weakest link (the og switch), but then again, they could make palia a switch 2 only game, who knows

[warm python]

As someone who's played a game that was "held back" by an older platform (FFXIV, and PS3 respectively, and PS4 will only last so long I think), I think they're still gonna end up beholden to the switch for a while despite switch 2 :(

They're not gonna wanna lose that income stream

even if it's been holding the game back

[signal kayak]

probably not, but like i said, that would be something to look at when more people have access to the switch 2, as it's going to be hard to get hands on the system on launch, and they would have to completely revamp the game to move over to the other system, which would probably be a year or two (again if game survives)

[warm python]

I still think they should have never released the game on switch to begin with and screwed up badly by doing so but....yeah, they're desperate for more possible income streams. ps5 and xbox are their last desperate grabs at this point though so after they do that port they're kind of out of options other than. yknow. making good game.

[signal kayak]

palia has no chance in the world to survive on ps5 in current state. a certain pink haired girl game runs laps around palia

not sure about x box though

[warm python]

Ohhh absolutely, especially considering they're supposedly working on housing and some form of co-op soon. only thing Palia has over it at that point is a non-Nikki character to dress up

[quick edge]

so many of my switch friends constantly say "this game should have never been released on switch." its crazy. its never been smooth on switch. really unfortunate

now we gotta do things like have rules for cooking parties so switch players dont crash 😭 buttt now that everyone is crashing, guess it doesnt matter

[obtuse blaze]

when do yall think were going to be able to use the lettuce we accidentally got awhile back 😭

[brisk spruce]

I expect never, personally

[obtuse blaze]

😭

[mighty ibex]

I’m really disappointed to hear all of this about the game. I only got the game recently and to see it has so many issues, really disappoints me because I was genuinely falling in love with the game. But to see the members basically say the game is basically just as untrustworthy as the sims, really makes me sad

[umbral lynx]

Isn't it more if it's playable or not ey oh

Trust no, for obvious reason but I'd still like it to work out for the better. Alot of people do enjoy the game and just cas it's a "high risk" game for me and some recent... Additions I don't find... Suitable let's say doesn't mean I still don't hope they will learn and improve
Just hard to trust

I'm English i can confirm

[thorn temple]

Lies, you are a riddle of disks 😮

[loud axle]

All I can say is it should be quite telling just how long most people are willing to stick around with this game.

There were thousands of us in early tests... I see maybe a dozen alpha and pre-alpha testers around these days.

[umbral lynx]

Yeah like I want it to work for the people who still enjoy it, since no one wants someones else enjoyment to end logic
But overall each update and excuse inbetween just breaks my heart. No one expects perfection by any means heck things happen and that's life it's all good but seeing how long issues go on for and the little action done about them just sucks to see.
I use to enjoy testing palia and showing the silly fun things with bugs and glitches since why be sad about them when you can just have fun with them... Plus the more people who know the faster something gets fixed... Or at least use to be way of thinking...

[thorn temple]

Indeedy, I was closed beta and even those have massively dwindled. Expected over time ofc but this amount? Crazy...

[ember rampart]

Yeah, because the game isn't equipped with a track or hints for some things. For some, they tell you where to go and what to do, but for others, not that much

If you are new and don't know all the aspects of the game, yeah 😬
I was the same in the beginning

[supple finch]

I think the game is set up great for new players
I didn't need to look up anything or ask a question until I was getting into doing real specific stuff
I think people just need to learn how to learn by trial and error

but people being unwilling to explore isn't a failure of the game itself. Its as clear as it can get without being obnoxious about it.
It might be a buggy mess but like idk maybe I'm just old and cranky but its kind of shocking to see so many people spend 5 minutes in the game and then pop on here to ask questions the game would answer if they spent any more time in it

[ember rampart]

That's because that's how some us think, having pleasure in exploring more and finding out by ourselves. I found out everything mostly by myself, but asking some details here about game which aren't revealed there 😄
But not everyone have patience to explore

[supple finch]

My mom is actually the one who got me into this game and I have to keep telling her to relax
She keeps asking how I am so far along with my house and I have to remind her that I have been only doing quests as they happen to be nearby or align with my plans

lmao this is fine

[ember rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

Palia players be like: ☝️

[fiery perch]

I know this was like, a while ago, but I just got up so wee backreading.

So maybe unwilling to explore isn't exactly a "failure of the game itself", but there have been times where some of the quests/hints/info isn't as great as it should be. (Unless they've changed/updated some. I dont know.)

I know there were some quests (the ones with riddles, especially) that weren't very clear, and was very confusing to me. I can't remember what else might of had me stumped other than some random quests that wasn't super clear or gave a lot of insight in the description lol (it's been a while.)

However, I can also understand some confusion now, at the very start. Not knowing where specific shops are or who is who. I say this, because I have learned that the intro quests are different than when i played. When I first played during closed beta & early open beta, the intro quests had you to into town to talk to people & see where some stuff was. And maybe this is where you mean, "if ppl explored more", but I think it's also important to note, there may be some folks who are younger or not used to these kind of games, too.

Again-- maybe not failure of the game itself. But I do think some things should be tweaked or better to find the info (specifically for some of the quests).

I also am still shocked they changed the intro quests I know this game can be overwhelming for some, and I know that part didn't help too much, but at least (for me, personally/in my experience) it helped me understand where specific shops were, etc.

[rustic vessel]

lmaoo

too many caps is a thing

[fiery perch]

Yea, when im trying to say something in shock/excitement, i just type it in lowercase then end it with (in caps), lol

I dont mind that is a thing tho, it isnt always great for screenreaders (some will genuinely yell if reading things in all caps), and can be eyestrainy. ... i do miss typing in caps tho for excitement/shock, however

[rustic vessel]

oh i see lol oki i just thought that the this is fine gif was slay

[fiery perch]

It's great haha

[rustic vessel]

the gifs are so creative

[supple finch]

I mean I had no idea where anything or anyone was so I just wandered around
There are only so many buildings its not hard to find places.
And I didn't mean the puzzles or quest stuff, I meant more like people joining the game, seemingly not reading anything and then asking where copper is or where the general store is after not even bothering to look around for either.
side note: If a child is so young they developmentally can't understand how to do the basics without help they should A) not be playing unsupervised B) not be in a discord full of strangers

People can do whatever but this trend of learned helplessness is a personal annoyance of mine not just in Palia but in general.

[fiery perch]

ok

I don't really know how to respond to that, because that isn't what I meant when a child is young. Some people just might not be used to that in a game or anything else. It isn't even a trend or anything of "learned helplessness" but rather people learning that it's okay to ask for help.

[marsh depot]

Yeah, I don't know what to say either. I guess empathy goes a long way.

[scarlet hazel]

my brother in christ what are you yapping about? /genq

[fiery perch]

And there are some resources that you just won't know where it is without asking. Clay, for example, was one (and still is) the bigger ones that it's hard to realize or know where it is. For a while, I thought it was something I had to literally "dig" and not mine.

Some bugs/fish you won't really know where it is either, because the game doesn't tell you. You have to ask for help, or look it up. Really wish there was some kind of compendium or something in-game that helps or gives hints for that

[marsh depot]

Wasn't there also an issue in the begnning of the game at some point too? Which prevented people from going forward or something? Feel free to correct me if I'm misremembering something, but with the amount of issues the game currently has (and lack of direction in some areas) I wouldn't be surprised some people just dropped the game after 5 minutes.

[hollow crescent]

talk to einar/the related npc “where can i find X”? might get too big if there’s a lot but if there’s other npcs in each zone (like upcoming elderwoods who knows the area) might work, cuz in other mmos it’s not really told to you also you just find it (i do have to ask or look up things all the time) and there’s nothing wrong with that

[fiery perch]

Eh, I have a hard time sometimes comparing this game to other mmos like WoW. I think FF14 has a way to help show where some stuff is, anyways, I think? Like when youre in a gathering job? (I could be wrong. where's Relika when you need her)

But I wish there waslike, a little book or something you could open, that can help give little hints or tips with some resources

[scarlet hazel]

i honestly didnt know myself tbh. and the cooking part before the nerf was... something to go through thats for sure 💀

[supple finch]

Again, this is just me personally, my personal opinion, I think the game is ridiculously easy and well explained for its base mechanics but clearly that's not as universal as I thought if clay is hard to find. Also I don't know where the fish are, I just fish in every spot in order to learn what fish are where. I guess its a difference of gameplay styles. IDGAF about collecting everything or knowing where it is immediately.
Saying I lack empathy because I said people could perhaps spend time wandering around before opening the discord feels wildly disproprotionate

[fiery perch]

I think the comment was because of some of the word usage you used.

[supple finch]

what word usage is that?

[marsh depot]

For me it is too,personally. But I think your wording and tone could've been different and less condescending.

[thorn temple]

[fiery perch]

"Developmentally can't understand", and the "trend of learned helplessness."

It's what made me kinda stop and be like "okay I dont even know how to respond to this properly." (I'm meaning this in a genuine way btw, not trying to argue. just explaining)

[supple finch]

Yea, some children are developmentally too young to understand this type of game. Thats not a dig at small children that just a fact of how children work

[fiery perch]

But some people, whether they are kids or not, haven't even played a game like this before. And I think that's where a lot of the issue differs

[supple finch]

But I was talking about literal children, like 7 year olds

[fiery perch]

I was used to maybe running around to find things, or this or that. But I also have a background of playing WoW, other MMOs, stardew valley, etc. So I'm used to that kind of thing, you know?

But there's going to be some folks who haven't played that. I know this is the first game fors ome people. And when I say younger, i mean 10-13+, since that is the rating the game has.

[scarlet hazel]

my first experience was toontown and that game had like... no handholding at all tbh

[marsh depot]

Like I said before, empathy goes a long way. Children are not as dumb as some people think, and like Ori said,Palia is many peoples first game too.

[scarlet hazel]

i was just released into the wilds and able to be a feral child as i pleased.

[fiery perch]

Definitely, there are people who are like that. I won't disagree with that. It just felt like it was comparing everybody (to me) that asked for help

[scarlet hazel]

like something for people who cant get things quicker then others, would be nice for those who need it. and those who dont need it can just ignore it. its wild how basic accessible features like that are just completely missing from this game.

[supple finch]

I think you were assuming I'm more malsious about this than I am. I'm not like mad at people who do this. I'm just autistic. When I say words like developmentally I mean that it the literal psychological way, not some weird metaphor for stupid or whatever you think I said

If you need help, ask for help, I also help people in the game all the time. I just think it is healthier to try yourself first

[fiery perch]

I'm also autistic! I was wondering if there was some tone that was there, that actually wasn't, and it's why i tried to explain why ti might of came across as x, y or z! (and why I tried to clarify I was trying to explain)

[scarlet hazel]

my first games were some weird little console games here and there. but i took to toontown like a fish outta water tbh. it both helped and hindered me ngl 😭

[supple finch]

I had Wizard 101

[scarlet hazel]

whats up my fellow wizard 🗣️

[fiery perch]

My mum had me playing Everquest when I was very young , had stories of her friends following me around in-game so I never perished. Then I went to WoW and things.

It's why i was trying to mention like, I'm used to that kind fo thing in games. I just wish there was a bit more to help in Palia sometimes. Genuinely, would love a booklet or a compendium that helped give hints/tips in regards to fish, bugs, resources in general. Even if it wasn't something that would help everyone, i think it'd help at least some folks. (Or for people like me, who have a tendency to just.. forget.)

[young plank]

I was a sheltered child growing up so playing games when i was kid was almost nonexistent. I had to explain to my step mom at the time why and how pokemon was down to the science and that it contained no magic at all. I grew up playing leaf green lol till i was a teen and was free of my step moms grip did i start playing games like adventure quest and other types of online games. Never wizard 101 i didnt get the hype behind that

[unique thunder]

When S6 will increase decor limit on this game, huff.... we need more then 3000 limit, lol (dont count all the tree on plots)

[young plank]

Yes but remember the switch users cannot handle the high decor limit so i dont think they will up it again

[unique thunder]

Realy?? Ah that suck, at least make it 3500 then😆

[supple finch]

Could they mitigate this by having like bundles of objects like a dinner table spread instead of individual items or garden box instead of 8 flowers or whatever?

[young plank]

no sadly not that how palia works. I do wish trees didnt count as an item so i can have lots of trees

[fiery perch]

Tbh, I think they could also try to make plots/servers that are specifically Switch or PC, and then make it very clear that they are going to go to a plot that might have way more decor (bc they were on PC), and that it has way more than 3000, so it could cause the game to crash.

That could help, but I don't think it's the best option at this point. esp since, like you said, the hardware of the Switch 1 is very limited and things. :/ even some of the decor (max 3000), i've heard, can be too much for the Switch 1 currently, too, right?

[unique thunder]

I wish too, the tree's just make the limit gain more.. i dont like it

[fiery perch]

Ty! That's what i was wondering/thought. So even if they tried to separate the two, it'd still cause issues. It's a shame

[unique thunder]

I keep plot decor under 3000, but every time i plant tree on other plot, thats counting to my limit, huff

[marsh depot]

Forgot to reply to this (playing League oops) but yeah, agreed. Or the whole of Temple of Gales before it was """improved"""".

[young plank]

That gives me a great idea. If im going to do cake parties when ew launches ill for sure make it "switch proof" ahaha

[marsh depot]

I remember my switch proof cooking plot with gazebos

[pulsar meteor]

https://files.palia.com/press-kit/Almanac of Palia.pdf like this?

[fiery perch]

A little bit, yes! Something similar to that in a sense but in-game

I think this page in specific def is similar to what i was thinking

[young plank]

oh that would of been nice and it could of been a feature in the library to get more players into kilima.

[fiery perch]

I'd like this, or even just a little logbook that you can access via a menu, or something you have to have on your hotbar.

It could also be another way to use stickers-- use them to stick things/mark things in said book if you've gotten siad thing. Plushies, bug, etc.

(I know there's a way to view it via accomplishments, but if it was like this, then there could be a tiny info blurb about them, and a basic idea of where they might be.)

I love the idea though of it being in the library.

Also, if there was something like that to track plushies and maybe how many, it could make it a little better to make "trades" with plushies via in the underground, I think. Because maybe there could be an emote or a way to bring it up to showcase it, or show it via the trade screen?

I think maybe not saying what it is, but giving some little hint/detail about the bug/fish/resource could be nice! And then giving more info once you discover said thing.

It's sort of what I was thinking anyways. have it greyed out, maybe give a hint like, "you can find this in Kilima! But it loves the moon, so I hope you're a night owl!" (or something silly, idno. They seem to like to silly comments like that.)

Just something simple to give an idea. Or the one by the Dragon Shrine, give a small detail to look around there. Idno in what way currently, but just something that might help give an idea.

[marsh depot]

You know you gotta (I have a GIF in mind for this but I can't send it here

[fiery perch]

Then once discovered, can be more exact, maybe? And give more details about said bug (or fish)

Yes yes, exactly! It'd just be really cute and I think add a bit more to the game. Maybe give (some) people more incentive to look for all the bugs/fish/etc, too. Just to learn more about said thing.

It would give me more of one, anyways.

[marsh depot]

We all know they'd go straight to the suggestions box furnace /j

[hollow crescent]

yea cuz the amount of doodles for my feedback i leave would be so helpful then trying to explain in text

[ember rampart]

I would really like if devs would do something about magical creatures spawning often, especially Bluebristle. I enjoy hunting a lot, sometimes with a friend or two, but it's fun alone as well.
The problem is when you end up on servers with 10 players, all friends in group and you can't even hunt one. I ended up several times, chopping 100 trees and no Bluebristle. Some servers are rich in them, while on other are totally empty because everyone is "fighting" to get one 🥲

[hollow crescent]

i love the idea of the villagers description updating as you gain friendship (even romance if applicable)

[hollow crescent]

this sadly idk if they’d work in (maybe?) but once the other area(s?) comes out it might even it out over time, just there’s plushies to hunt and that’s probably what’s going on

[marsh depot]

I always loved the idea of a journal too, it helps you immerse in the world and lore more 🩷

[ember rampart]

Yeah, I know, but kinda sucks to have so few on the map. I need to change server until I see that is more free to get something for myself lol

[hasty grail]

If I order the “Palia Chapaaccino Collector’s Box” and “Blackberry Maji Dragonfruit” from Madrinas now, will I still receive the redeem codes for in-game plushies, or have the codes expired? The Madrinas website still indicates that redeem codes are included with these products.

[hasty grail]

Thank you for the advice! I have already contacted the Madrinas support team.

[calm jackal]

Day 6, unable, blah blah. Hope everybody is having a relaxing day!

[ember lynx]

could just be because im a lesbian but to me all datable femme characters are lesbians (except for kenyatta shes bi)

like wdym, tish is a femme lesbian she doesnt date men! /silly

https://tenor.com/view/pride-lesbian-flag-pride-flag-gif-9420001008003861890

[teal forum]

i feel like they-re all bi

[topaz otter]

Tish doesn't date men? Well, I'm a woman too and she's really very cute in the romance. If I were to play a male character now, I would have to be able to end her romance too. Apart from that, in my opinion, all romanticizable characters are not fixed to one gender. (and not fixed to one person - except for Hassian and Jel... )

[ember lynx]

you can, im just saying in my head shes a lesbian xD

no characters are fixed to only one gender

plus, there is no actual gender in palia, no explicitly mentioned at least. theres just femme and masc presentations

https://tenor.com/view/pride-lesbian-flag-pride-flag-gif-9420001008003861890

[topaz otter]

Yes, you're right. And that's a good thing. 🙂

[thorn temple]

I don't agree, but it's a game either way 😄

[ember lynx]

agreed :3 i think its cool to have a game like this. now we just hope they implement more character design options for everyone

[thorn temple]

All i know is, everyone needs to stay away from nai'o

[ember lynx]

how so? /gen /nm

[thorn temple]

I have no idea what you just wrote lol

[ember lynx]

/gen a= genuine question nm/ not mad :p

[thorn temple]

god damn language regression haha

[ember lynx]

i have trouble communicating over text so i use these, theyre prtty common for neruodivergent ppl

[ember lynx]

tbh i know 3 languages so i dont see it as a regression just a useful tool xD

[thorn temple]

I see lol.. well without getting into the thick of it cause of obvious reasons, I'd rather see male/female and that's it; the everyone for themselves and harems are not something I'm into at all 😄

[scarlet hazel]

harems??? 😭

[ember lynx]

thats fair. truth is genders are never explicitly stated in game so u can have whatever interpretation you want

[ember lynx]

they probably mean poly xD

[scarlet hazel]

that is the oddest way to put it 💀

[ember lynx]

OOP xd

[thorn temple]

sigh that bot..

[ember lynx]

einar bot got the whip out lmao

[ember lynx]

could just be the otaku brainrot xD

[thorn temple]

tldr: not a fan of the word beginning with s, that describes when one "sleeps around" aspect the villagers have, nai'o was my go to and that was that 😄

[ember lynx]

ah xDDD

[thorn temple]

here in the midlands UK they'd basically be chavs lol

[ember lynx]

will never stop saying i think its dumb this server is pg 13 bc kids shouldnt be on discord anyway it should be rated R (with certain limitations still)

[ember lynx]

ah british slang how i love you (its so silly to me)

[thorn temple]

is there a rating below R, would that be 18 or ish?

[ember lynx]

i think its 16 for rated R but i could be wrong

[fiery perch]

Um.

[neat compass]

I mean, Discord is 13+ per Discord

[ember lynx]

just looked it up, apparently pg 14 is also a thing, which is slightly above pg 13 but nothing extreme, just recommends stronger parental control for the media

[thorn temple]

we got all sorts of words, that if you drive let's say 1-2hrs away, change almost completely lol

[ember lynx]

(which i think would be approrpiate for this server)

[ember lynx]

one time i used the word bacon butty towards my online british friend and he was like HOW DO U KNOW THAT WORD XD

[thorn temple]

lol! now with my accent, change the butty to butteh 😄

[fiery perch]

Um. I'm backreading and uh--
The villagers are polyamorous. And it's kinda weird (for lack of better words) to say 'harem' or whatever. And people are who they want to be. Like... what in the world was that comparison.

[thorn temple]

bacon butt-eh, with buttah and a bottol of wata xD

[fiery perch]

also wanting to say, yes tone indicators are lovely & so helpful

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-butcher-gif-10356428607317138722

[thorn temple]

do you guys over there have a word for like, the small roads behind houses? Like a small path/passage/etc?

like if 5 houses back onto another 5 houses, their gardens meet, 1 small path between them

[ember lynx]

hm not sure, im not actually from american, im just studying abroad here. so i would know the word in spanish but not in english

[ember lynx]

woah thats so hyperspecific lol

[thorn temple]

ahh ok, I just wondered because back where I lived in further south midlands it was a jitty, I moved up here in 2015 (2 hrs away) and up here it's alley way lol

but because of my accent... "jitteh" xD

[neat compass]

Palia though amiright

[thorn temple]

what are the paths called in palia olivia!

[neat compass]

Pavers and they’re not broken anymore so that’s neat

[somber crag]

[thorn temple]

luckily that word my accent doesn't destroy, but I'm sure all sorts of palian words sound weird if I say em out loud

[fiery perch]

Hey Anner.

[ember lynx]

wait guys

[ember lynx]

does anyone see my vision

[thorn temple]

no, what on earth is that on the right? lol

[ember lynx]

its my Littleforestfellow from sanrio lol (hello kitty brand)

[thorn temple]

I have no idea what to say, so yes!

[ember lynx]

also this

[ember lynx]

[somber crag]

Per the discussion happening earlier about gender & relationships, let's make sure we remain respectful.
I don't believe it's appropriate to make comments about harems (that's a subjectively sexual/derogatory term for something that isn't that in the game).

Also, if we're leaning into the discussion of gender in game, let's remember to stay respectful there, too!

Sorry to kinda draw back to that for something that was discussed a minute or two ago, but felt it was important.

[topaz otter]

But... don't you speak Arabic? It's a great language! I love it! Everything always sounds so noble and flowery. The language is very polite, it almost completely avoids swear words or hides them in nicer expressions. I think it's very good and very cultured. It's a language at a high level. I would love to be able to speak and understand it.

[thorn temple]

arabic? Noes, UK common as muck me lol... I do love the sound of hebrew though

[ember lynx]

fair enough! i dont think there was any disrespect as to the gender discussion but i can see how harem was a harmful term

[somber crag]

I just wanna get ahead of it before we go down potential slippery slope!

[ember lynx]

god my palia brainrot is coming back which is bad i need to focus on school ;;

[topaz otter]

Yeah... hebrew is also a very melodious language. I recently saw a small Hebrew band. It was great!

[fiery perch]

Appreciate you, Anner. 💛

[thorn temple]

israel's eurovision song this year has english/french/hebrew in, sounds really, really nice and flows well... now we just need badruu to learn some other languages and get a band going xD

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/tentofate-elmo-elmo-staring-gif-11901234066681497328

[topaz otter]

@thorn temple Yeah! It would be so nice if we could hear any songs from him.... Maybe they'll add it in. Kind of like Alfira's song in BG3. ❤️

[thorn temple]

get the whole family doing a rave up, in their barn lol

[topaz otter]

@thorn temple Although in my opinion Badruu is somehow weird as a bard... 😀

[thorn temple]

You just know cottoneye joe is all he knows 😄

[topaz otter]

@thorn temple That would suit him very well! Oh dear... now I have an earworm. "Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, Cotton-Eye Joe?" 🤣

[thorn temple]

bahaha!

[ember lynx]

"Now just 2,040 Palia Coins!" insane to say "just" for this amount lol

[thorn temple]

New plot, Badruu's Rave Barn! 3000 coins!

[ember lynx]

see that i would buy

but A FIT?! insane. bro (@ s6 ) thinks i have money for that, i can barely feed myself xD

[thorn temple]

haha

sadly I would also buy a rave barn.. strobe lights, glow sticks... yes! 😄

[limpid raft]

I just finished the Acceptance ceremony main quest. Will there be more main quests available?

[thorn temple]

yus, jina is really your main over arcing story NPC, alongside subira later on for a not so mainline but close side line set of quests

remember to visit them daily with gifts to get their relationship levels up (opens up more stuff)

[limpid raft]

ok thank you!

[ember lynx]

anyone romancing subira? im curious as to how that is. shes really cute but shes from the order so im hesitant lol (im a reth girlie)

[thorn temple]

apparently no lol

[marsh depot]

Late to the convo but Reth girlies unite

[ember lynx]

yess! reth my beloved <3 need an option to hug him

[marsh depot]

It's funny, I started dating Reth because back when I started playing, Hodari wasn't romanceable, but I ended up loving him so much.

I also tried romancing Subira but I always forget she's locked away so I barely increased my friendship level with her

[ember lynx]

omg back when hodari wasnt even romanceable?! thats crazy to me lol

[lethal granite]

every dang day in the before times

||pedro pascal|| hodari my beloved

[marsh depot]

They were dangling him right before our eyes... Specially with those response lines

[lethal granite]

they knew what they were doing when they came up with him, his storylines, dialogue, etc. i romanced everyone but would even talk with him after i was max friendship and romance ||just to hear “darlin’”||

def my favorite. i really like a lot of the characters and their storylines in palia!

[marsh depot]

They really did, I don't think I've loved an NPC in game so much aside from Shane (and Reth). I love his storyline and his relationship with Najuma.

Now hear me out, Hodari in a Mandalorian costume /j

[marsh depot]

I def hope they do more with some characters in the future, I'm not a fan of a few characters (cough cough Tamala) but I can see the intention with the story lines. Hopefully we get more of that in Elderwoods (or well, after)

[lethal granite]

i’m still so angy about the ||hassian|| storyline. like… legit unnecessary. she already a witch out in the middle of nowhere who’s out here doing shady stuff. i’d really love it if vega came back and could explain that choice cos i literally do not get it

[ember lynx]

I dont mind it cuz I think its not a bad storyline but that said I dont like that witch lol

[barren wyvern]

I romanced her a while back, along with Jina.

[marsh depot]

(had to retype the message cause it got bonked first time oop) I think it's one of the reasons she's such a divisive character among players, I think aside from that, the rest of her storyline is alright. Some of her lines just feel a bit out of place in this game (but again, that's my own personal opinion)

[marsh depot]

I started romancing her entirely by accident trying to gift her a sundrop lily

[scarlet hazel]

some of the lines are out of place entirely tbh

they cant get the age range they want in this game down and it shows so much 💀

[marsh depot]

Oh yeah definitely, it's why I said in this game. She's like a toned down Bayonetta but, it very much feels out of place with the rest of the NPCs. At least some of the other lines are more subtle, Tamala is just... Not.

[lethal granite]

agree! but i rly think id be able to accept it if it weren’t for that storyline. it’s just… literally unnecessary. it adds nothing imo. it’s clear from the ending to the prologue and other stuff about her that she’s supposed to be ||idk what to call it… the closest thing to a villain the game has? although i feel like the story has been complex so far, esp with the order/subira, so it’s not fair to say there’s a clear “villain”.|| but i don’t think it added anything.

[scarlet hazel]

my memory is spotty on bayonette but that girl has charm while tamala is... just tamala

[marsh depot]

Yeah, for me that aspect of the story just feels like another excuse to make her unlikeable and ||to explain Hassians attitude at the beginning||.

And in regards to that, ||I think she's gonna end up being a red herring type of character. Like, they've hinted so much at 'she's misunderstood' but I don't know what they're gonna pull||

[marsh depot]

Bayonetta's got heart too. Tamala just feels like Mother Gothel.

[fiery perch]

A lot of Tamala's lines, body language, etc is very much... like you're saying, not subtle. It's not vague. It's very in your face (literally). It is incredibly uncomfortable, esp considering the kind of game Palia is.

And the storyline that she has, ||esp with Hassian||, again, uncomfortable. I don't really know how else to word this or talk about it. ||I don't even know if "Villain" exactly covers how I feel about it||. Just... the nickname that some ppl say, myself included, "Traumala", is def for a reason.

[scarlet hazel]

like a worse version of mother gothel...

[marsh depot]

Traumala the Tamale as I call her /j

[scarlet hazel]

mother gothel has some charm to her. tamala is just flat 😭

[marsh depot]

I get if they were going with that vibe for her but... It does feel so out of place in this game cause of the rating and all.

[scarlet hazel]

if they wanted a mother gothel character, eshe is right there...

[lethal granite]

||not me over here loving eshe tho ||

[marsh depot]

I actually like Eshe's character. She's fun to pester.

[fiery perch]

I honestly think Eshe was a very well done character

[scarlet hazel]

i just cant get over how she treats kenli and her daughter tbh... 😔

[lethal granite]

i’m bummed tamala seems to be ||super integral to the main story|| cos i’m so bummed with her as a character. i don’t think she needs to be so overtly flirtatious, but i get what they were trying to achieve with it. def could use a lot of toning down, but i would rather they have just scrapped the ||hass|| storyline in the first place if they felt strongly about making her dialogue/body language/etc. the way it is.

[scarlet hazel]

idk why some find it good. it feels very shoe horned in and something that is a set back instead of a proper thing...

[marsh depot]

I understand its part of her character and her story. I would certainly love if they expanded their quest lines where you can see them reconciling with each other as you deepen your friendship with them (though I know it's unlikely to happen).

Like Ori said, I feel her character is actually well executed because she feels more compelling than Tamala. You get Eshe's back story shaped her into who she is today, for better or worse. Tamala on the other hand, doesn't.

[marsh depot]

Yep, I agree. It's just.. Filler.

[scarlet hazel]

very disgraceful filler :/

[lethal granite]

is also weird that they’re trying to have that character in a game that is supposed to be inclusive? i like how they gave a lot of the other NPCs complex storylines/characters, but i literally can’t talk to her without being belittled, yet she’s ||part of the main freaking storyline!!||

[lethal granite]

this, basically. but eshe is not ||as integral to the main story||, so, like… you can have a complex character and not have them be that.

[fiery perch]

||Part of me is glad that im stuck in the story bc of Gales, so I don't have to deal with her character...

Her entire story, personality, etc, it sosmething I genuinely don't like and try to just.. avoid her if I can. The idea of having to interact with her and all that, which essentially forces me to interact with her, makes me... well: uncomfortable.

And if all this ends up trying to make her a redeemable character, i just... she's not redeemable in my eyes. at all.||

wasn't sure which bits i should spoiler in case of .. well, spoilers, so i'll spoil it all

And yes, exactly. I feel like Eshe was done in the sense of being a complex character, and that is what I think makes her a well done one. Rather than like... just there. I don't exactly like her as a person, like i dont wanna hang with her or anything lol, (from what i remember of her character, anyways), but the actual writing I thought was more put together than some others.

[marsh depot]

I personally wouldn't mind her so much if it wasn't for how out of place it feels in the game, and the way she was executed overall. But even then, just for the sake of comparison, you have Bayonetta who is a much more out there character than Tamala, but she has a heart. You see her care for the people around her. Tamala doesn't. (also should mention, Bayonetta is an M rated game. There is a place for these type of characters sure, but it doesn't feel right in Palia).

[lethal granite]

thiiiis! eshe is actually a perfect comparison — they can write chars that are rude/talk down to you/come off as generally mean (she’s cruella, lbh). but tamala is just… yeah, that storyline makes me super uncomfortable, but they gave eshe a lot of backstory and i actually grew to understand why she is the way she is while i completed the temples and whatnot.

tamala feels like an add. beyond just the gross storyline, i do not get the same amount of complexity with her char as i do with eshe’s. eshe does actually have redeeming qualities, explanations for why she is the way she is, etc. which is why im so perplexed that tamala ||is involved with the main storyline||!!

[loud axle]

"This was, by far, the weakest questline we've seen during this expedition. There is very little information revealed about Tamala's overarching goals, motivations, or history, and her story suffers a lot because of it. While this might be fine if it's left intentionally vague to allow for more expansion in the future, I'd like to see a bit more information given to players in what's available to at least hook them into her story.

As with every NPC, I'd like to see the quests Tamala gives greatly expanded... but moreso, I'd honestly like to see Tamala's almost completely rewritten. As it stands, her current quests are extremely repetitive, asking you to talk to the same group of NPCs not twice, but three times total before all is said and done. There's so much more room here for players to help her gather ingredients (or even the flowers she uses for her "apology bouquets") and delve more deeply into her past, perhaps by exploring in and around her house or talking to other NPCs familiar with her.

Additionally, the jump from Tamala rejecting the player to suddenly admitting she has feelings seems suspicious as all get out. I think the rare item requirements to woo her are awesome and definitely show a player's commitment, but I'm hoping Tamala is only faking her sudden interest in the player for some other mischievous goal. If so, though, this needs to be hinted at a bit more strongly during the quests... Otherwise, there needs to be a lot more buildup for the relationship to make sense."

-Roan's feedback on Tamala, circa 1/19/2023

She's just so... uncozy.

Like I'm all for a "villain character" but there's gotta be justification for it.

[lethal granite]

roan
ily for many reasons
but i do want to let you know that i especially love that you use “as all get out”

it’s one of my favorites

[loud axle]

I must admit that my language is usually slightly more... Colorful

But it is certainly a good substitution when I'm discouraging myself from using sailor speak

[fiery perch]

always appreciate Roan

[lethal granite]

always appreciate orii

[hidden jewel]

Sorry I'm late to the Tamala hate but I'm in GMT and I'm not passing up some Tamala hate, oh my lord I hate her so much. I love her as a character she's a really well written predator but she's 100% a predator all the same.

I love to hate the ||Hassian|| storyline with her because ||it's actually a REALLY good portrayal of how abusers treat their targets - there's a lot of in-game evidence to suggest she wasn't just grooming him and abusive when they were together, but that she's continuing to try and humiliate and isolate him now.|| It's also not much of a reach to suggest that ||she's preying on other members of the valley, specifically|| ||iirc Sabine's accident was close to her house|| ||so was Leta's|| ||which happened after Najuma ran off to the mines during the night|| ||and we know Auni's been sleepwalking to Tamala's neck of the woods, and that he found a book on magic in the library that 100% shouldn't have been there|| ||and that's without touching on the whole 'experimenting on other Majiri in potentially harmful and dangerous ways|| ||or the fact that she force-feeds you a potion that messes with other people's minds|| ||which just so happens to heavily include spice sprouts which is the first thing she sends you out to find for her|| ||and I ain't even gonna speculate on the whole Elderwoods Beast thing yet|| ||or how abusive she can be if you romance her||

^^^ every spoiler has its own tag but suffice to say Tamala it just an absolutely awful (well written) person and I really like her inclusion in the game but we definitely need some way to avoid having to deal with her, she's genuinely triggering for some people because of how authentically abusive she is. Like there needs to be a toggle in the settings and other ways to resolve the other quests. Being able to ||go to Tamala or Elouisa|| to help ||Hodari|| with his quest for instance, that's great, we need more of that, because we need to be able to choose whether we want to engage with that vile beast of a person.

I don't necessarily think she's out of place because there's actually a lot of sinister stuff in Palia with the NPCs and their stories

Wait is Daiya the blocked word?

Sorry I'm trying to figure out what I said in a longer post xD

Let's try again

[wide hound]

There's a limit to how many spoilered things you can have per comment. It would be better to group most of them under a few spoils, than individually.

[hidden jewel]

Ahhhhhhhhh that makes snese. Here I am trying to be considerate and post each spoiler separate so peopel don't accidentally ruin a specific character for themselves lol. Thanks!

But I mean I guess the spoiler free version woudl be, pick a character, any character, and I'll tell you the real world trauma they're dealing with, we have everything from financial ruin to alcoholism to domestic violence, and the game features death ever-presently through several NPCs as well as literally one of the main quests where ||you're told all about how all live leads towards death and you gotta go explore the memorial garden.|| The game is cozy in its vibes but definitely doesn't shy away from more sinister content so IDM Tamala's inclusion as an abusive seeya next Tuesday.

In somewhat tangential news I just clicked the quest dialogue option without reading it and accidentally gave the letter from ||To T, Love H|| to ||Tamala|| 🤢 welp that's that playthrough ruined lol

[slender crown]

Tamala is misunderstood. Independent women are not sinister.

Tamala refuses to be shaped by toxic masculinity. Sometimes, seeing something at odds with your own beliefs can feel overwhelming. That is the perfect time to reflect deeply about oneself. I find it to be more helpful instead of pointing out flaws of others to find out where the true nature of that feeling comes from.

[indigo seal]

Independent, sure. But that’s not the problem… the problem is how she treats others for her own bidding.

[thorn temple]

I see her as a sassy go getter that won't let anyone stand in her way, but also it's only a game 😄

[rare pine]

I wanted to like Tamala so bad because I usually love witch character. But she is incredibly creepy. ||And what she did to Hassian is unforgivable.|| There are other mean characters in this game, Like Eshe whom I have no issue with. Heck, i didn't even mind Hassian's unfriendliness. But from the moment I met Tamala I got creep vibes. Stop blowing kisses at me lady. I don't know you like that.

[teal forum]

Tamala sûre has trust issues and has some unresolved traumas. She's not indépendant, see how she treats the player ? That the total opposite of indépendance.

She can't reach out for help in a sane way, always thinking Lust is what motivates people towards her.

But hey... We can fix her 👀

[rare pine]

I hate the evil witch trope as a whole. Which just adds to my frustration with her character tbh. ETA: I'm with Valk. Nothing they add to her story can redeem her for me.

[marsh depot]

She just feels incredibly out of place in the game with her really unsubtle lines and body language. There isn't a problem with a sinister character in a game, she's just really over the top with her interactions.

[fast sonnet]

I don't remember how to spoiler things so if someone could show me how that'd be great lol but yeah, Tamala can be "independent" and also a horrible person at the same time

It may sound harsh but I'm almost embarrassed for her

[errant juniper]

I'm on board with this. Every time I talk to her she gives me the ick for a different reason. Especially in connection with ||Hassian's relationship to her||. It's like she's proud of her behaviour which I just cant understand and will never support

[rare pine]

Use these -> || on each side of the text to spolier it.

[fast sonnet]

Thank ya ma'am!

[errant juniper]

I wanna know whats her deal but not cause I like her.. I'm just nosy like that and it seems like a bigger-ish issue

[marsh depot]

I meant more that she feels out of place because some of her lines are very much... Bordering the line. It does make sense partially with what you said, but I think they couldve achieved a similar goal with less suggestive lines. (which I don't have a problem with a character being suggestive, Tamala just goes out the window with it)

[fast sonnet]

||Wouldn't it be hilarious if she's the one who accidentally created the elderbeast and has been looking for a way to deal with it all this time?||

[fast sonnet]

She goes all the way to the streets with it 😂

[rare pine]

||I have issues with how a lot of the women in this game are written but I'll leave it at that.||

[fast sonnet]

☕️👀

It bugs me that the few options we get to stand up to her sound the same as my 5 year old brother tearfully telling me not to do something he doesn't want me to.

[marsh depot]

Agreed, I want to be able to sass her out.

[supple finch]

Oh so like Tamala is ||not a good person|| ? I was planning on romancing her just based on looks

[marsh depot]

If you want to, go for it. If you don't mind her story much. She's just a very divisive character because of her backstory and dialogue.

[fiery perch]

I agree-- she feels out of place in some ways. I think a good reason/example of this is, there's some stuff about her I can't say or talk about, because this server is PG/PG 13.

Just that alone, is I think proof enough (for myself, personally!) of how "out of place" she is w/ the game and how much she "borders" the line. Enn earlier explained it well, too.

Not going into much more detail, but she is quite triggering for some people-- myself included for various reasons. She just. Yeah.

[supple finch]

also I didn't click on all the spoilers because I want to be somewhat blind
But like if someone could give a like spoil-free list of potential triggers or something that might give me more idea if I want to do that

[marsh depot]

Well, for once, her dialogue can get pretty suggestive, so if that's something that bothers you, there's that. As spoiler free as I can get without going too into depth into other aspects of her story.

[fiery perch]

"Predatory", as someone mentioned earlier, I think is spoiler-free and explains it as best as possible.

[supple finch]

oh
I will converse with caution

Wild that this is even a conversation to be had on this game

[fiery perch]

Yeah, and it's kinda why we're like.. She feels like she doesn't belong in this game haha

[olive carbon]

Also: she's just mean. Like, rude and nasty for no reason. I know some people like that kind of thing. But it just makes me feel sad. So. There's that.

[supple finch]

Like I've had this convo about like Baldurs Gate 3 romances but yikes

[ember lynx]

THANK YOU SM FOR THIS OMG i love discussing her character as much as i hate her

[fiery perch]

Yeah, she's straight up somebody I definitely avoid as much as possible because of it. I don't even try to start dialogue to skip it. She just.. makes me vastly uncomfortable, to put lightly, and can be overall triggering for me.

[ember lynx]

felt ;; made me so grossed out

[ember lynx]

bruh as a woman loving lesbian who is also a man hater that is def not wgats happening here

[marsh depot]

Same, I gave it to her too and ugh her response

[marsh depot]

Thank you for saying this

[supple finch]

I'm fortunately not easily triggered by fictional things (not a slight against people who are, just all my anxiety is irl) so I might just go down that route later out of pure curiousity
Also maybe I can make like a Does The Dog Die sort of warning list for new people

[ember lynx]

i will defend womens wrongs all the time trust me, idgaf for men (sorry, unless i know u ofc) but tamala is NOT the victim here. genuinely dont know where u got that from. im literally a radical feminist (NOT A TERF BTW) xD

[ember lynx]

ofc ofc, i dont like when people weaponize feminism and make it make no sense

[fiery perch]

Some stuff I just can't rly mention, due to 1) stuff that was implied and 2) the server is PG and PG13.

It's why I was saying 'predatory' is def the better way of explaining it. It's um. It's a lot (for me).

[ember lynx]

same!! when i first met her i thought she was so hot and i wanted to romance her and then i found out everything lol

[fiery perch]

to add to this: as someone who is AFAB (nonbinary, doesnt care for pronouns), who will shave my entire head, i agree with you

[ember lynx]

yeah this is why its odd to me that palia is considered child friendly sometimes. i really like the game dyanmics especially the darker bits but ||theres even a version of jack the ripper in game|| like?? odd to say its child friendly but atthe same time i was looking at WAY worse stuff as a kid

[supple finch]

Someone should add to the feedback blackhole "Hey maybe tweak the character whose dialogue is so not okay that we can't even fully discuss it in the offical discord"

[marsh depot]

There has been sadly. Even Roan, who was an alpha tester, shared the feedback they had for Tamala during closed testing. (it's up here somewhere)

[ember lynx]

ook ||that would be EXTRA effed up considering the beast if probaly haissan's missing mom ||

[supple finch]

Yea as a kid I was on IMVU or whatever which was sort of like roblox but with more nightclubs

[ember lynx]

im femme presenting but im good with literally any pronouns and have my own relationship w gender thats outside of the binary, except i just dont use labels for it :3

[loud axle]

Even in the small focus group we had (I think there were like, seven or eight of us?) about her my feedback was ignored sooo 🤷‍♂️

[ember lynx]

OMG war flashbacks

[marsh depot]

I see you Roan, sorry for not pinging /linking, I'm on mobile atm (but you are appreciated) 🩷

[supple finch]

fascinating

[loud axle]

No apology needed! I was just popping in to read up

[ember lynx]

yeah been there lol then i find out more about her and cannot stand her

[ember lynx]

same w hodari and reth tbh. im romancing them both and they have suggestive dialogue options which i personally like

[marsh depot]

Yup. I agree on this. Not to say there can't be stuff like this on a game, but it doenst help with Palia's rating.

And same. Damn otome games.

[fiery perch]

I'm also femme presenting! and I get what you mean. I usually just say I'm a glitch in the matrix & that im just me

(But yes, again, just agree w/ the whole.. yeah. Just, I agree with what you said and thank you for saying it haha)

[ember lynx]

no literally its insane

[fiery perch]

beep boop, this was the feedback Roan made/written/posted about Tamala! Not pinging, but this is a decent and good read.

[fast sonnet]

Tamala made it her job to blur the line between empowered feminist and abuser and I will never under why that made it's way into a game marketed both "cozy" and "great for kids."

[ember lynx]

!!! exactly. theres SO much dark stuff in game even if its not visually gorey or horror, and A CARTEL?! im from south america w italian ancestry so lets just say i dont see that as child friendly lol

[fast sonnet]

Understand*

[fiery perch]

Rated 10+ but TOS says 13+, yes.

I don't know all the romance quests, because I admittedly only did with Einar and Naio. I think Naio was okay? from what I remember? my memory is a little fuzzy

[supple finch]

Whoo Team Sure Whatever Gender

[ember lynx]

yes!! shes such a good cgaracter bc of this imo bc shes really intriguing (wish she was more 3dimensional tho) but i hate her regardless (im also a psych/neuroscience major so thats just me lol)

[marsh depot]

I feel like at least they're not as overt as Tamalas are (and I love my soup boy and Pedro Pascal dad)

[ember lynx]

i think 14+ might be better tbh. from what i know 14 plus just suggests stornger parental advisory

[fast sonnet]

Oh I'm sure she will become way more dimensional once EW comes out

[fiery perch]

in my opinion, yes. especially since we are still humans. i dont think it's good to try to make that line blurred in a game, whether it's with humans or not (personally).

I wouldn't want anybody to think it's okay (specifically folks who are younger) when it's not.

[ember lynx]

i love em too <3 theyre nowhere nearly as bad imo but still there (also reth's "you, me, backroom, 5 mins?" and the mc: why wait? and then reth's response 0w0)

[fast sonnet]

That's a great question, im inclined to believe that's the standard line of thinking considering how most of the characters feel about her too. If I remember correctly Sifuu in particular has a lot to say about Tamala that she won't

[marsh depot]

Not to go back to the previous discussions on child safety and stuff, if I had a kid, I would not let them play online games until they're in their teens maybe.

And also another fellow South American 🩷 (meant to say, I agree on what you said, some stuff in Palia definitely pushes the ratings for a game that's marketed as "cozy")

[fiery perch]

I genuinely love Naio, esp since I learned more about his story & his own trauma and stress/weight on his shoulders. I just wanted to give him a hug.

[marsh depot]

Really caught me by surprise first time I saw it

[ember lynx]

well its clear from sifuus pov that she agrees w tamala preying on haissan. even if we dont use real life povs for this her dialogues make it plain obvious that she was using him to her advantage without any consideration for his feelings --> taking advantage of him

[fast sonnet]

That and most of the characters who've interacted with Tamala personally think she is at the very least really unsavory and unpleasant to be around

[ember lynx]

also worth mentioning that palia has some human influence like the end of year fesitivities (v obviously christmas inspired) and lunar market (chinese new year)

[fast sonnet]

I want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and say they were going for Jessica Rabbit and just... Failed badly, but I don't know if my back could recover from such a stretch

[ember lynx]

<3 neighbors! i think letting them play online game is alright as long as you teach em the dangers of certain stuff and make sure to somewhat monitor the content. but im not a parent so i wouldnt know

[fast sonnet]

Then again, I'm super critical when it comes to this character trope because it's so easy to mess up

[ember lynx]

i LOVE problematic female characters (and just problematic characters in general, i literally have a "vampire lestat" tattoo lol) but they have to be 3 dimensional and well done. and in a game where tamala is the only "bad" character it feels off. like in some other media where all characters are morally grey, thats different. just enjoy your fav war criminal lol

[marsh depot]

I agree, I'd just be hesitant on a game like Palia/Habbo Hotel/Roblox. I just know even myself with my moms almost helicopter supervision was able to circumvent that. But yeah, I'm not a parent myself either, that's just how I feel at the moment too.

[ember lynx]

that'd be me xD yeah back at home theres a bunch of cartel run prisons and our government has big issues with narcs and not protecting their people and preferring to launder money so- wouldnt say tis a kid friendly theme lol

[fiery perch]

Genuinely, the game has a lot of trauma (as in the characters) and a lot of it can be triggering (in different ways, for different people) in the game. Which is a bit... idk the word for it.

[marsh depot]

We need a therapist in Killima ASAP /hj

[ember lynx]

ive seen a lot of people online point out how cozy games usually have that, same w stardew and stuff (i havent played it so i wouldnt know). but the general concencus from what ive seen is that theres always a BIG societal issue and what makes the game cozy is persisiting through that

[indigo seal]

As someone who appreciates darkness in creative writing, while I don’t like Tamala’s history & story at this point, I think a lot of interesting things can be done with it. The main thing striking to me is how PG the game wants to be but then has Tamala. It’s very dark, deep, complex stuff going on that children and teens are a little oblivious to. If this were a Mature game, I mean heck, go for it. It’s just a character and a story! I’ve read books like Haunting Adeline (iykyk) among others. Tamala’s inclusion is just, not the same as the others. Really, at all.

[fiery perch]

Stardew does in some ways, yes. Some worse than others (One character in specific comes to mind), but it's a bit more subtle. And I think the characters were written a bit better.

[ember lynx]

yup! (also oh not not haunting adeline xD cant say anything bc i am a sucker for gothic lit and anything anne rice tbh ;;)

[fiery perch]

Where's Roan. I'm sure he could answer that regarding SDV better than me

[ember lynx]

hum ig ur right

[indigo seal]

Yup they are definitely teetering on that fine line with Tamala

[marsh depot]

Yes, I agree completely.

Shane my beloved 🩷

[hidden jewel]

It’s even worse if you know Hassian’s comments on it 😭

[ember lynx]

its def a grey line, since some people nmight consider certain content more innapropriate than others

[fiery perch]

Also... with SDV (not counting on switch or anything, of course), you can get mods if anything is too bad. There's a possibility that someone has made a mod to help with anything.

THere's 1 character in specific that is usually triggering for quite a few folks, especially since you helping them work through things, doesn't properly show 100%... so there is a mod to kinda help and make it more consistent. I use that mod myself, and it has made it so much better for me.

[marsh depot]

Yep, it really makes me regret I didn't give it to him.

[ember lynx]

what does he say?

[fiery perch]

Yeah, and this is where some of the issue is, I think. I feel like some of the themes are def over the "mild" part, but. maybe since it's more "subtle" or "implied" it doesnt matter to the rating. but eh

[indigo seal]

He is a tortured heart boy!! I love him!!

[marsh depot]

I still don't like him because I feel like it's still not a compelling enough reason for his attitude towards you at first, but I did feel sympathetic for him during that. He deserved better.

[indigo seal]

For my other Swiftie friends Hassian is giving “I Can Fix Him (No Really, I Can)” vibes

[fiery perch]

I still don't like Hassian personally, but he is someone I relate to because of what he's been through. And I sympathize with the trauma & stuff from it, too. It's very heart-wrenching in some ways for me.

[ember lynx]

im wondering what the legality is for this tbh. like... is there a law to follow for certain content? cuz ik its that way for violent media like shooting games

yes, i accidently gave the letter to tamala without knowing ;;

[fiery perch]

I don't know. I don't think S6 are the one swho rated it. I think you have to send it in to get rated? i dont know the whole process so it makes me wonder sometimes, too.

[hidden jewel]

Honestly that would make it worse especially considering the writers are mostly women lol

[ember lynx]

i feel sorry for the mods looking over this xD we are going over dsome heavy topics

[somber crag]

It's all good.

People are keeping the rules in mind and it's good discussion, so carry on.

[ember lynx]

MY BAYBYE ueueueue ;n;

[fiery perch]

Hi Anner 💛

[hidden jewel]

Or the little boy blue quest 😭

[ember lynx]

that one is so sad ;; like THE TITLE ALREADY UGH :(

[hidden jewel]

Honestly I think the reason why I’m as sympathetic to him as I am is because he sees human as a dangerous invasive species. Which… valid.

[ember lynx]

honestly? yeah lol

[hollow crescent]

i know there’s not much consequences for our actions comment/quest wise(like that one)|| but boy it’d bother me if she used that for something later or just brush it off||

[somber crag]

I have conflicted feelings about Tamala. I understand (and even agree) with a lot of the points made about her not fitting in with the whole vibe of the game, but it is interesting... 'cause there are other cozy games that have triggering/heavy content.

If I was a parent, I'd have to figure out if I wanted to expose my kid to that or not. There are soooo many games that kids can get their hands on that I think would be more disruptive or problematic compared to this, but y'know. The whole thing is weird.

[fast sonnet]

What?! Noooooooo, that's... So much worse 😫

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/mom-lain-serial-experiments-lain-dance-gif-26098175

[loud axle]

The thing about how issues are presented in Stardew - they're usually not the entire personality of that character, and there's tangible growth you can see happen as those characters work through and past those issues.

It's always presented in such a way that it's not necessarily a personal failing of that character, either, but of their situation / past that made them that way.

[rare pine]

I think the biggest problem for me with Tamala is that she gets away with it.

[fiery perch]

Thank you. I knew you'd be able to explain it much better than me. Appreciate you

[ember lynx]

yeah this is how i land on it too

[somber crag]

It's also hard 'cause we're looking at a game that isn't finished. LOL.

[fast sonnet]

The way I scrambled to push that arrow button was unseemly

[loud axle]

There's just a lot of tact for how Stardew handles the issues. It doesn't linger on them, it doesn't shame people for them, it just says "this is the issue, and it's possible to get past it."

[hidden jewel]

I actually have a theory about this because ||it’s implied that he wrote that letter years ago but it’s still pristine, and apparently Tamala has never found it. Which makes me think she’s long since found ot and she’s planted it so people will find it and thus Hass is re-triggered and embarrassed by it coming back up||

[ember lynx]

well subira wants her locked up so xD maybe not for long

[fiery perch]

That's where she belongs. /halfjoking

[somber crag]

So it's like... will Tamala's whole thing make sense? Will it not matter because of how long she's existed as she is in the game?

[hidden jewel]

So far 😉 I have some theories about the Elderwoods

[hollow crescent]

i feel like maybe she should stay the muster character (games always have those), yes she can be a little flirty/deceptive ||if she’s done that to survive all these years||. i think it’s a “too much too fast” kind of approach to keep ppl interested in her character (for whatever reasons) , like maybe she should be that “slow burn” character? have her friendship be slower to gain and you be more friendly ||in elderwoods if she is going to have a bigger part in there?||

[ember lynx]

this makes me wonder if yall would be ok w tamala growing past this? and haissan forgiving her? i wouldnt like her if they went that route probably but i think it might be interesting. but i also think this is just the psych major speaking xD

[fiery perch]

to be quite honest. no.

[hidden jewel]

Yeah see I actually support Tamala inclusion because she’s a great example for young people of what a predator looks like. It’s not always a middle aged man offering you sweeties from a van, sometimes it’s a hot goth mommy who love bombs and manipulates

[rare pine]

I think if the game stated in unequivocal terms that her behaviour is far from acceptable, I'd feel a little better.

[fiery perch]

I can't properly go into depth, since again, paliacord & i want to make sure i'm staying PG and PG 13. but she's not redeemable in my eyes for reasons.

[hidden jewel]

Just call her what she is is all I ask

[somber crag]

Absolutely, but I think that's true for a lot of games that kids might play. Like... my mom didn't want my playing Sims at a young age because of the "woohoo" option (and I had to sneak around her back, eeehehe). Not that I think Sims is comparable to Tamala, but y'know. It's just complicated.

[hidden jewel]

This. This is my only problem with her in Palia.

[fiery perch]

I would say, good on Hassian for... well, moving on and getting past it, maybe even getting closure. That's great. But I just wouldn't be okay with Tamala "growing past it", or if they tried to make it seem like she's "redeemable", either. (i know you didnt say the word redeemable, but yeah.)

[somber crag]

Tamala has always given me huge Mother Gothel vibes from Tangled (if you've seen that movie). Like... I kinda view her as a villian.

[hollow crescent]

||tbh i was leaning to be “ok” until her found quest||

[fiery perch]

She has those vibes but worse, imo.

[ember lynx]

this is fair. youre not forced to forgive anyone. i dont think forgiveness is a cureall for trauma. i think it can be helpful for some people, more when it comes to letting go and moving on to help the issues stop encapsulating all of your other relationships. but again its a game, and tamala doesnt show remorse so even if they did do a redemp arc it would feel off

[hidden jewel]

No. She didn’t make a single bad choice here, she intentionally targeted and abused a very young adult, for years, and gloated about it

I’m never gonna be okay with someone who’s demonstrated that sort of consistent cruelty

[fiery perch]

Just wanting to say, ty Enn for explaining what i can in better, watered down ways lol

[somber crag]

I don't find her worse. I mean... Mother Gothel ||kidnaps and abuses a young girl in a tower for the majority of her life.|| From what I know of Tamala, it's like.. I mean, they're different villians for different reasons, but it's dark subject matter.

[ember lynx]

i agree, im just curious to what people think /gen /nm

[fiery perch]

There's some stuff that's implied that Tamala did, that just sorta crosses the line a bit for me. :( I mean, Mother Gothel did, too, but in a different way

[somber crag]

Who's worse is going to be subjective to the individual, probably. I'm just saying that it's dark subject matter that is also exposed to kids. How you navigate it is what's hard.

[hidden jewel]

Nothing wrong with that 🙂 that’s just what I think is all

[somber crag]

In an ideal world, a parent/guardian is working through that stuff with a child but y'know.

[ember lynx]

i dont think tamala can be redeemed tbh, she doesnt show remorse. its not even like cognitive dissonance to what she did atp. she literally gets off on it in a way (is that appropriate to say here? /gen i dont mean it in that way but it could also be applicable to that)

[somber crag]

All I care about when it comes to Tamala is her house. I would like to kick her out of the woods and take her spot.

[hidden jewel]

I mean there’s a lot to suggest Hassian is 21 at oldest, so Tamala could be a lot worse depending on how many years it’s been since their relationship. At best she’s that person who drives across borders ‘cause it’s legal in another state

[marsh depot]

I can get that but for me he does just really come across as an angsty character. But again, that's for me personally. In paper I should like him considering I love Shane from Stardew but, I feel their character depths are much more different.

[fiery perch]

Like I said earlier though, like... the fact that some stuff about Tamala, can't really be talked about (like what's implied), because the server is rated PG/PG 13 (and game), is... um, kinda telling for me.

[dark moon]

I didn't like Tamala until || I got to friendship lvl 3 and learned she was alive when they made the order and spoke against. To the point that her friend who is in the order sends her warnings||

[ember lynx]

even if he was a legal adult at that point the age difference is palpable, shes in her 40's, maybe 50's (mentality wise i mean) and hes 21 at most by the time we meet them so...

[hidden jewel]

Yeah I mean that’s fair but considering he’s a young adult coping with ||parental death, displacement, an abusive partner, and an alcoholic mother|| I think he’s got reason to be

[hollow crescent]

and not as a landscape (or you could do that but give us things to also make it on the basic plot)

[dark moon]

Now I'm kinda like tamala is just ||an old|| lady standing up for her rights

[somber crag]

I don't want to boil it down to who is worse, because then we start comparing different traumas and triggering experiences. My only point in bringing up Mother Gothel is that it's dark subject matter.

[somber crag]

I'm saying. Give me the actual plot.

[ember lynx]

im prone to immortal charcaters that feel everything and cant take it anymore bc they love humanity so much. like lestat and armand! lestat literally has to induce a coma to keep sane bc he feels too much.

[dark moon]

She got senile imo

[fiery perch]

This is fair and true. I suppose I was saying at least for me, that's how it feels , everybody's experiences and traumas are valid!

[ember lynx]

yeah, i agree. theres no better scenario here, theyre both different types of trauma. comparing stockholm syndrome to fearful/avoidant attachment styles as a result too is a choice lol

[marsh depot]

I understand that, but again, for me personally, it's also the reason I couldn't get into getting to know him better. He still acts really stand offish and I've heard he only really changes when you romance him. He's just not suited for me.

[hollow crescent]

we’ll only see what they do more with her character as the game progresses ||better or worse||

[dark moon]

The only difference between tamala and eshe is age. The both give the air if I don't care. Tamala just , didn't care too close to tge sun, and has somehow forgotten how to do it properly in a social setting

[hidden jewel]

I respect that he’s not for you, you don’t need to explain or justify it x but also I have no idea who said he’s the same if you romance him, he turns into one of the sappiest, most romantic, most affectionate characters

Yeah like we literally have another young adult ||enslaved by a gang|| it’s not like Tamala is the only grim thing in the game

[ember lynx]

i think eshe actually cares too much but bc of that she struggles w her relationships and pushes everyone away. she cares about her image, her failed past romances, her failed marriage, her "ungratefu;" daughter...

[dark moon]

If we get more ||order || interactions, tamala might actually become a hero. Cause as it stands, they don't know what to do with the humans , yet

[hollow crescent]

||not counting what happens to the humans as you read lore books||

[somber crag]

I don't know that Tamala will ever be viewed as the hero.

[hollow crescent]

anti hero?

[fiery perch]

Even if S6 tried to paint her or make her like a hero... yeah, nah, honestly.

[dark moon]

Vigilante?

[ember lynx]

honestly i can almost never get into the lore books. its an eays way to implement the storyline into the game especially since its still under development but it does nothing for me

[hidden jewel]

Yeah she gets antihero at best. VERY best

[hollow crescent]

i’m not sold on this one cuz their doin good for others with their own hands which i think tamala would be more for her own survival?

[ember lynx]

i love antihero characters but atp they would need to make her fullon evil to make that work imo. shes already awful but i dont think its clear enough that she is terrible

[somber crag]

She's too devisive and problematic (at best). I'd rather she just stay a bad person who sometimes has an okay opinion. Let her be the weird witch in the woods, but flesh out her story a little more.

[ember lynx]

yeah she does it for money lol

[dark moon]

Oh yeah, she just wants to be beautiful ||I mean if I was 500 yrs old, I would too||

[rare pine]

I thought the bad guys were gonna be ||the shadow people that drove humanity into hiding.|| Like... we don't really need NPC villains when there's a universal threat.

[young plank]

and can someone finally tell tamala to get over ||the breakup already|| jeez

[ember lynx]

it would be interesting though if they go ahead w the orderxtamala storyline and exempt her. while i hate her guts, its true that she probably doesnt actually have to be arrested (at least for magic use...) so it'd be interesting to look at a corrupt prison system and such.

[young plank]

Cause to me ( i am romancing hassian) it just sounds like you are salty cause i claimed the man. XD

[hollow crescent]

i just wish (i know it depends on the player as rp things) but if we do have memories of what happened, that they’d sprinkle some kind of flashbacks like cinematic or something so it’s not all in the books (i know some ppl don’t read those)

[hidden jewel]

Thing is she’s “over it” but ||Hassian|| is her current target. In a couple of years it’d be ||Najuma|| or ||Auni||

Just saying ||theres way too many accidents and sleepwalking kids in her neck of the woods||

[young plank]

Not from what i keep reading over and over. If you were truely over it you wouldnt remind the player EVERY palian day.

[dark moon]

She shouldn't be arrested imo cause insert spoiler tag here || she vetoed their ruling on banning flow usage and left the council||

[hidden jewel]

She’s doing it to ||humiliate and isolate Hassian|| it’s a really common abuser thing, It’s not about the relationship it’s about control

[ember lynx]

gasp!! i hadnt gotten that far yet, interesting

[rare pine]

||Einar also tells us a lot about him.|| Another issue I have with this game is that the hints at the lore are so subtle they're very very easy to miss.

[young plank]

Yes..... so again why is this is a thing in palia again? you know the "cozy" game

[ember lynx]

BRUH palia bot when i catch u....all i said was SAME in all caps lol

[hidden jewel]

🤷 idk dude I’m not a dev lol

[dark moon]

I mean palia is cozy, just look at the book coraline. The author used her 7yr old as a focus group. As an ex nanny, palia fits in with the stories kids come up with when playing pretend. It's frightening

[young plank]

It doesnt matter if its abuse or not witch needs to be rewritten for the fact she can flirt with kids just seems alittle to much for me

[indigo seal]

Creative writers doing, or trying, creative writing things. When people latch onto a story (good or bad) it leaves lasting memories, every game wants to be memorable. It’s just a matter of doing dark stories in a tactful, realistic, but not over the top way. A very hard path to navigate IMPO.

[ember lynx]

actually!! neil geimans publisher read the book to her kids to determine if it would be too scary for them and they admitted to lying and saying ti WAS too scary for them as kids. so i love coraline but its not that kid friendly. that and geiman is a predator so not the example we should be using methinks lol

[young plank]

I feel like certain paths shouldnt have even made it to palia but i mean hey they are killing the game so i mean im here for the ride

[hidden jewel]

Idk by that logic so do Reth and Hodari, imo it’s the consent/boundaries aspect that makes her different. They gents aren’t creepy about it

[hollow crescent]

everyone’s “cozy” is different (i mean i see OH described as cozy zombie game” by some) so i guess in palias term (at least to me) is little to no combat, no competitiveness, no urgency (like raids etc)

[fiery perch]

Coraline is also advertised as horror and dark fantasy, if i remember right.

Palia is not. It's advertised as cosy, inclusive, and "welcome home".

[dark moon]

Yeah, there should be a journal that compiles all the lore as you complete quest

[ember lynx]

@fiery perch pinging u cuz u asked if it was dark fantasy :p

[young plank]

right i get that but i also have had issues with the writing so i stopped trying to talk to the npcs unless i have to for story lore and heh well

[dark moon]

I was just pointing out that coraline is marketed for kids, and with palia if you don't do the friendship quests, it is rather cozy

[fiery perch]

oh thank you, i completely missed that lol

[dark moon]

I didn't know this, cause unfortunately, I don't look into people's private lives... I just don't care enough

[ember lynx]

@dark moon for the coralaine thing

[indigo seal]

Totally get not even wanting to indulge Tamala’s character & skimming over her dialogue, but I like games like Palia to have a variety of different topics & think pieces too. You’ll never make absolutely EVERYONE happy though

[ember lynx]

oops sorry kjust saw u read it as i pinged u again my b ;w; i dont look into it either usually but a show of his i was watching got cancelled bc of it which is how i know

[somber crag]

Let's avoid making personal comments about the devs. It's not appropriate.

[hollow crescent]

it’d be cool if it’d change too like annotated version? “the worlds understanding” vs “what happened” kinda thing?

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-movie-projector-gif-19435282

[dark moon]

I'd like a compilation of all the human lore left behind in the temples, cause the main quest lines are updated so far apart that I have to go back through to find information I'm looking for

[hidden jewel]

Dang, it's like that, huh? Okay sure thing.

[ember lynx]

how it feels tp say anything on this server xD

[hidden jewel]

I just mean, the "welcome home" tagline gets abit sinister when you realise there's trauma in literally every home in Palia. But I mean I figure it's someone's therapy piece so 🤷

[dark moon]

I mean, we were floating in space, so it feels kinda nice to be welcomed home. With the exception of hassian. Not a single villager batted an eye at a new mouth to feed/help

[somber crag]

Y'all can and do say a lot and it's fine, lol. Making comments/assumptions about the devs personal lives is just not appropriate nor necessary for this conversation.

[hidden jewel]

IKR? Speaking of seriously Ashura needs more love than he gets.

[dark moon]

If a person materialized out of nowhere in my neighbourhood, I would not help them find a home and learn to fend for themselves. I'd call the police

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/wally-welcome-home-voywex-gif-8291890059096873277

welcome home reference?!/silly

[indigo seal]

I’d love to just materialize into Palia. It’s so much easier for me to make 100k there than IRL

[hollow crescent]

and not just 1 person, many ppl

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/john-mulaney-yeah-you-point-pointing-gif-13472085

[hidden jewel]

Okay I g2g but if anyone wants to ramble more at me about how terrible Tamala is feel free to DM me I have a spreadsheet and everything. Love you all x

OMG same thooooough

[hollow crescent]

||i wanna go to the city and meet them there, maybe help with things if their causing him not to visit sooner, and then learn/see him visit as you play the game||

[dark moon]

Yeah no, I would reinforce the locks on my house if a flash mob appeared from nowhere claiming they are an ancient species from the triassic period. Kilima village is too welcoming. Like Coheed and Cambria Welcome Home, kind of welcoming

[ember lynx]

i hope we have an option to get a city map at some point. highly doubt it but it'd be cool!

[hollow crescent]

as long as it doesn’t look like the temple ones, no hate on them their pretty, but i need overhead view to show where i am like other games

[ember lynx]

the temples drive me insane... kinda hate em

[somber crag]

Gales.

[dark moon]

Minus the teleporting, I like the roots temple

[ember lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-elmo-stare-please-god-gif-25182854

[fiery perch]

Gales

[hollow crescent]

i liked them, even gale but i’m just sad others can’t do some of them for various reasons (and that i can’t just go help )

[dark moon]

And I don't mind the temple with the eggs. But I hate the fire temple

[thorn temple]

I liked that temple too, but not the original platform speed 😄

[dark moon]

Is gales the one with the eggs?

[thorn temple]

yar

[hollow crescent]

mhm

[somber crag]

Be mindful of potential spoilers. 👀

[dark moon]

Maybe it's because I played the game Myst back in the 90s, but I liked that one

[hollow crescent]

their easter eggs /jk

[dark moon]

Oh oops sorry

[somber crag]

[ember lynx]

if gales has 0 haters im ded

[young plank]

gales wasnt bad i liked it

[dark moon]

I just said i liked gales

[thorn temple]

booooo, parkour platforming is not nice xD

[indigo seal]

The temples actually took me by surprise when I got them each. I didn’t expect Palia at such an early stage to have levels like that. So I was kind of enthralled tbh. Gales, yeah… just. Yep. But I was still excited lol

[young plank]

i play to much of infinity nikki to say i dont not like it LOL

[hollow crescent]

if there’s alternate routes

[dense charm]

I’m new to Palia. Give me some tips that you wished to know what to do in Palia. 🧍‍♀️

[hollow crescent]

same i love good puzzles/places to explore

[indigo seal]

Yes! I love other games like Zelda BOTW and Elden Ring and even true puzzle games like “The Room” etc so it was a blast for me

[ember lynx]

i would go to gameplay help for that bc we're discussing heavy game topics/spoilers here

[dense charm]

Ohh. Which channel is correct?

[ember lynx]

#🤝│game-help i think this one!

[hollow crescent]

they should put us in an escape room next

[dense charm]

Alright, thanks !

[dark moon]

Omg yes, but no ||lasers|| as a switch user I cry

[young plank]

Pull a book and hear "Not that one hehehe" from zeki LOL

[thorn temple]

and then you see a poster on the wall with a duck, red circle and a line going through it... xD

[hollow crescent]

||no lasers, no heights/depths|| i can’t think too much but those were the issues with some on the temples i rmember seeing the most

[young plank]

also theres a chat for newbies too! ❤️ #🐣│palia-newbies dont forget to ask questions there too!

man going from nikkis type of parkour to palias def feels klunky? i dont know how to explain it

[hollow crescent]

at least we can wall climb (most times) in palia

[dark moon]

The only parkour i do. Is trying to get to that ||one tree on the default plot||

[fiery perch]

Nikki kinda gives you some "grace" in a sense, to mess up a little. I mean this as in like, sometimes if you barely miss a jump to get on something, sometimes she'll do the little "hop" up and make it anyways. It feels more 'floaty" as well, along with the help of a shadow (or highlight) beneath your character to help judge the distance!

Where in Palia, it feels definitely like your character has more 'weight'. if that makes sense

[young plank]

Yeah i do wish i could climb walls in that game... "Nikki for the love of PLEASE get. on. the. rock." -Said from a panda on a livestream once 🤣

[hollow crescent]

i think too it’s cuz if you hold the jump button long enough you “jump higher?” and you kinda float to platforms and not just “gravity exisits”

[dense charm]

Okayy, thank you!

[fiery perch]

And when youre jumping in Nikki, you kinda stay in the air for a tiny bit longer than you would in palia. Def what attributes to the 'floaty' feeling.

[dark moon]

When will palia give more stamina? Getting these heat roots are so tiring

[young plank]

Makes sense. i kinda perfer nikkis floating compared to the rock climbin into nothing but i do hope that ew launch fixes the climbing somewhat (not hopeful but here goes)

[fathom carbon]

Do we get to have an update today? (April 1)

[fiery perch]

It's still the 31st in the states
But no, it probably wont be an update

[fiery perch]

Just adding premium or turning on a 'switch' essentially. idk how to explain it. but this, yes ^

[dark moon]

Give us more ducks

[hollow crescent]

they better be really googly

[fathom carbon]

Ohh I see I thought there's more to it 🥹

[fiery perch]

I definitely prefer it, yeah. I feel like I have more control, and aside from that... the highilght/shadow underneath the character is super nice for me. I also have the setting where there's a guideline of where you'll land when you jump, which is also very helpful.

Some of those things I wish was in Palia-- specifically the highlight/shadow underneath the character

[fathom carbon]

as well as the chef's kiss animation/emote I think

[dark moon]

Giving me 5 more ducks and not the recipe would be a funny april fools

[thorn temple]

panda would burn everything

[young plank]

id stick my ducks in a circle to summon more /j

[dark moon]

You know what would be a hilarious joke, giving me a peki plushie

[dark moon]

So funny. Hahahaha. I would have never expected it. Why give animal handling when you can give me a plush >->

[hollow crescent]

with how we got some creature plushies before seeing them in game, sure why not

[dark moon]

wink wink nudge nudge

[hollow crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/nudge-boink-push-pushy-getoutofhere-gif-4672270

[young plank]

sits here knowing i have tons of chores to do fiiine im off to do chores yall better not light this discord on fire while im gone

[fast sonnet]

Off topic, but I just want to note that with the new crash feature implemented last update, my game has crashed -checks notes- 32 times today. 😅

I've been playing for two hours.

[young plank]

sorry if you already know but theres something said by the devs about the crashing #📢│palia-status

[fast sonnet]

Yup! I'm aware, but thanks for putting that out there just in case someone else wasn't

It's gonna be a great day lol

[thorn temple]

still 0 crashes for me xD

[fast sonnet]

We can't all be cool like you 😤 /jk

[thorn temple]

coolfield™

[marsh depot]

Palia clearly has it's favorites /s

[young plank]

Watch if i took the time to log in im sure i wouldnt crash right insert crash here (no im totally not stalling doing chores)

[acoustic moth]

The update on April 1 first right ?

I said that somewhere at that just furniture making but after that idk what to do in palia at that making money 🤑

[lyric night]

there is no update on april 1st
only new premium store stuff, maji market returns and maybe something for april fools

[young plank]

!doit

[opal cypress]

GREAT IDEA.

[young plank]

Them justifying that overpriced sugar coffee. LOL

flashback to 3 waves of layoffs

[tulip anvil]

It is awful that in such a short time there were this many layoffs

[marsh depot]

I understand some things probably didn't go as expected back then but I still can't excuse how much they've burned out on player's trust. It's really sad.

[fast sonnet]

Aaaaand we're up to 38...

This is... Really quite obnoxious even for a bug

[austere sapphire]

I've been crashing for months, but with other games too, so I can't even tell which crashes are caused by what. 😅

[fast sonnet]

Palia keeps crashing for me every time I try to go to a different location

[ember rampart]

Mostly in underground when is crashing almost non-stop

[slender crown]

Failed marriage is a nice way to put it.

[slender crown]

I actually really like the theme of Eshe's "failed" marriage. My own parents had the same dynamic and split because ||they married to fill the roles of outdated societal gender norms similar to the Palian couple|| It was great to see them happier after they split up.

Yes all of the characters are flawed. Many of them are flawed in ways that make them relateable to the players. I also lost a parent a year before this game was released and dealt with a massive amount of grief-anger like Hassan.

That's part of giving a sense of normalcy to the player. So they don't feel so alienated when events like losing parents to death and events leading to parental divorce occurs.

Children and adults often do bear witness to these events. I liked the inclusion of them.

[marsh depot]

I also can agree with the inclusion of events like those (having been through some myself), as long as they're handled with care and not just like a source of drama.

[austere sapphire]

This is why I got my 6yo daughter to play this game with me. It even helped her hone her reading skills.

[acoustic moth]

Ohh ok that sounds cool 😎

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. like serious things and all like that are important but they gotta be tasteful/respectfully handled instead of just for drama or other stuff :/

[granite crag]

When people get ignored for wanting a response back or just beating around the bush cause they refuse to actually communicate as a company.

The game becomes more and more unplayable each patch.

Meanwhile once human added 13 colors to furniture and it hasn’t been out a year, while Palia has been out over a year and we got one color.

[marsh depot]

I mean even The Sims 4 has slowly been releasing more swatches for base game items.

[granite crag]

It’s really not a big ask when every other game has every basic color of the random plus some for decorating.

[marsh depot]

Specially considering we've seen some of those recolors already.

[granite crag]

Let’s not forget “we will lose out on money if we give any sort of free cosmetics” and here we have the only game I’ve ever seen release a April fools cosmetic for money

Googly eyes should of been a twitch drop or a login reward

it’s almost like they have a color palette made (hair pallet) they could reuse for primary and secondary colors for furniture.

[lyric night]

the only reason I can think of them holding back the tints is elderwood, if elderwood doesn't include tints then... idk
its hilarious that they have them ready ever since open beta started lol
probably had some of them available in their alpha as well, would not be surprised

[granite crag]

If the game even survives elderwoods drop id be shocked. I truly enjoy the game (when it’s actually playable) but these updates aren’t it.

God knows how badly elderwoods is gonna break the game when they can barely fix the current bugs.

[marsh depot]

I miss the times when I had fun in the game and still had hopes for it. Now every patch just feels like a "wonder what they broke this time" kind of thing.

[granite crag]

I also think they should have waited for switch port until the game was out of beta. It would have given them more time to focus on bugs and new things rather than making sure the games functional on pc and switch.

[marsh depot]

Even moreso when half the patch notes are dedicated to the cash shop. I'd be content if they simply stopped pumping the shop for 1 update and focused solely on bug fixing/QoL features.

[granite crag]

Every other game I’ve seen that has gone to switch has never included it in beta.

[granite crag]

Oh you don’t wanna spent “750 on a random cosmetic” for your friend?

[marsh depot]

Part of me would hope so too but I'm also concerned given their history with taking months to fix bugs and such.

[slender crown]

Yeah. When I started playing a year ago, for a week, support was amazing! We got things taken care of quickly.

Then, S6 went and fired a large amount of staff. The quality of service and support tanked.
Then, they did it again! Fired even more without replacing anyone.

Suddenly, there was just an automated response when contacting support. So cold and devasting to players as well.

[granite crag]

not a cosmetic you think they’d enjoy but any random cosmetic in the game is such a great idea not

[marsh depot]

I'm gonna be honest, on paper, it is a good idea. But the execution is not great.

[granite crag]

If they want revenue so badly they are doing it poorly that’s for sure. Hey you have this pet how bout buy the same pet for the same price but it has a hat! (Instead of just adding the hat to buy for said pet)

[marsh depot]

They seem to have overlooked a lot of issues that could arise with the system and the "reasoning" we got for why the lootbox gifting is the way it is, doesn't make much sense in my opinion.

[slender crown]

How long were they working with a skeleton crew at S6?

[marsh depot]

I will never get over that, or the $17 cloud pet.

[fiery perch]

I probably wouldn't of minded the mystery gift thing, if this was any other game but Palia, personally. ... especially since of how it was executed.

[granite crag]

It’s been a year or so?

[marsh depot]

It's just like the ZLC, a bandaid that makes it seem like they're working on making purchases more "accessible" but not adressing the core issue.

[granite crag]

they honestly would of had a better chance as a kickstarter than what is going on currently for them as a f2p game, seems they couldn’t handle it.

[fiery perch]

Yeah. I personally think if it was like, the person receiving said gift, had a choice to pick 1 out of 3 choices or something. It might of been a little better. Not perfect, still dont like it, but eh.

[slender crown]

A gacha gift.

[hollow crescent]

nah they include that it has to be a f2p feature and the other pets are basically “skins” or something cuz that’s unfair

[marsh depot]

They should've just let us purchase/gift Palia coins for friends. Like RP. Then you can gift your friend something and they can choose what they want.

[fiery perch]

it still could be, since it'd be a mystery as to what the 3 outfits they can choose from are! imo anyways

[marsh depot]

possibly if it was like League's discounted skin shop where you get random skins on discount based on your preference

[slender crown]

I like the versatility of the outfits. Even if I get a dress as a gift, I will wear my gift with pride and as symbol of the gifter's friendship and generosity. I will be prettiest in my dress and adorn it with complimenting accessories

[calm jackal]

Day 7: still completely unable to log in no matter how many restarts! Sorry if posting this has become annoying. My intent isn't to drive my fellow players crazy, I just don't want S6 to forget.

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[calm jackal]

I already have

[warm python]

Even the subreddit doesn't seem to like the system that much which is saying something

(Also super interesting discussions from earlier, y'all!!! I just got caught up on chat)

[tranquil musk]

If I get glass building blocks I will never complain again.... promise...

[tacit fractal]

I really want decor trading eventually... the Makeshift is All Mine achievement haunts me.

[fast sonnet]

I am 🤏 this close to being done with this game entirely honestly. I have crashed a grand total of 65 times today.

I don't think I've ever crashed that many times in any other game I've played combined.

What in the actual frick.

[warm python]

I would have long given up playing

[fast sonnet]

At this point I'm just kinda seeing how many I can fit in a day

[supple finch]

Don't even get me started on those
My fav color is red
The red clothes have different shades of both primary and secondary color even for pants that should match as a set its very annoying

And yea the furniture swatches seemed to be picked at random instead of any sort of popular color choices

How is this

both this

and this

If someone told me the color swatches were made by a color blind person I think I would believe you

[marsh depot]

Same, I had Nikki crash on me twice the other day and didn't want to load it again. I can't fathom having the game crash on me 65 times.

[warm python]

Yeeeeah. Like if a game crashes once, okay, that's fine. Twice, ehhhh there is an issue somewhere but I might keep playing. Three times and I'm out for the time

[marsh depot]

Mostly why I stopped playing Palia (aside from the other issues). I know in the case of Nikki it was due to the graphic settings, so I could fix it. But sadly with Palia there doesn't really seem to be a fix.

[supple finch]

oop mine crashed so I'm done for today

[fast sonnet]

I'm sorry, what? We have pumpkins???

[scarlet hazel]

this is gonna be another "oops we did a silly billy! that wasnt suppose to be in game!"

lol

[fast sonnet]

Good bot. But also! It better not because I already feel sad about the lettuce

Especially since it looks like they don't intend to give us the lettuce ;-;

[warm python]

No idea why they won't be clear about it lmao it's been nothing but non-answers about the lettice and no mention of the pumpkin

I genuinely don't understand what they think they have to gain about being silent about so much

[brisk spruce]

they have commitment issues that's why they wont give us a roadmap too

[warm python]

It baffles me at every turn

like, seriously, what are they getting out of being so opaque

[fiery perch]

Lettuce probably wont actually be usable for a while, esp based off what WC said here: #💬│palia-discussions message

Hehe

[fast sonnet]

... Um...

[warm python]

typical day in bahari bay

[eager bobcat]

Oh, true. I would want pumpkin and strawberry before lettuce for sure since Bok Choy kind feels lettucey anyway

[supple finch]

More fruit

[tacit fractal]

As much as I have issues with this game, I do love it so, lol. It's very fun and cozy, though I've just been mostly hunting since finishing most of the quests; only have Hekla left to max for friendship, too :)

I also hope we get pumpkins first... they look so nice

And the sticker pack I just opened from Twitch drops gave me one of the Einar stickers I wanted :D

[marsh depot]

I tried checking in game to see if I could buy these but sadly, they weren't on store for me. I'd also hope we get them but considering the whole lettuce thing....

[fast sonnet]

It reeks of "we didn't mean to do that"

[lyric night]

i'd say that pumpkins are extremely likely to happen, especially bcs they have the seedmaker configs already implemented so they've been working on them

and bcs they keep everything for elderwood, that's probably when we will get them

[eager bobcat]

Different topic, but I was not around during the time Cyl was added. What exactly set off our lordship being added? I know it was some sort of rummage pile glitch but nothing else

[ember rampart]

Umm, what?
I checked yesterday, I think, and there was no pumpkin seed. Was this introduced today or...?

[brisk spruce]

it wasn't a rummage pile glitch, there was a time about a year ago where they accidentally left in a bunch of green cylinders visible around bahari bay. image example here: #🦋│issues-discussions message

[ember rampart]

Nevermind, just read the rest of replies...so it's an "accident" then 🤔

[eager bobcat]

Ah, gotcha. Maybe they will make little snowball plushies then too because of the chest glitch??

[brisk spruce]

also the part that I find funnier than the green cylinders was when it happened again one or two patches later... but this time it was yellow ones #💬│palia-general message

[fiery perch]

nobody seems to remember the yellow ones, i swear

[ember rampart]

I got like 4 cylinders back then where the pile was more "stable".
But it's so much better than getting corn for 2 weeks+. I prefer those, which are plushies rather than this...

[brisk spruce]

I demand a yellow cyl plushie! /j

[marsh depot]

I had completely forgotten about those too

[marsh depot]

You know they're just gonna make it part of the next landscape /j

[fiery perch]

it's fair. they weren't talked about often or as much, compared to the other

[eager bobcat]

Ooh? Lord Cyl customization options??? 🙏🙏🙏

If we get a landscape that is just a giant cyl I will buy it ngl

[lethal granite]

cyls… ||||

[young plank]

i must be able to change out the cyls for each seeason so i could have a spooky cyl or a cute thanksgiving one

[lethal granite]

stop giving them potential ideas

[marsh depot]

Don't give them more ideas guys /j

[eager bobcat]

Scary evil Cyl isn't real it can't hurt you

[fast sonnet]

I know, I'm really sad about it. I want pumpkins and straw bebbies!

[dense hill]

i'm a new player and i've been enjoying the game a lot so far, but i wondered if the developers are planning on adding some sort of faster traveling system? (ex. mounts, fast travel, etc.) i love the game but walking everywhere can be a pain sometimes, especially when it's a short quest like "bring this person this thing" and then you just have to... walk there and back. anyways a whole yap session just to ask if anyone knew of any plans to add faster travel?

[lethal granite]

there are fast travel boards. they cost gold, which is very difficult to obtain when you’re first starting out.

leave your plot from the opposite end of where you usually do and you’ll find yourself in northern bahari. look to your left and a fast travel board is there right next to you.

(not sure any of this is ever explained in the game)

[dense hill]

ooohh okay!! i didn't know so thank u sm!!! 😊

[lethal granite]

it isn’t explained anywhere! they’re at set points in kilima and bahari.

wish they’d have told us about them lol. but yeah! they’re all around the map.

[celest maple]

There definitely was not yellow ones.. lol

[brisk spruce]

yes there were, in a different patch. I even linked an image

[celest maple]

I wonder if those weren't visible for everyone.. I rarely miss any day on this game, especially not a patch day

[brisk spruce]

honestly not sure, didnt play during that patch but I was in here for it. here's another screenshot though, shows more of them at once #💬│palia-discussions message

[wicked canyon]

what is this

[torn kindle]

Bouncy shroom :)

[hard basin]

Newly added sandbox Bouncy Shroom can be purchased with tour tickets in the Housing Store Store

[wicked canyon]

ty ty

they added signs you can edit now

[torn kindle]

Mine is very buggy and the text does not display 2 times out of 5

[wicked canyon]

i want to look at the new plushie lot does anyone know of anyone on the tours who has the plushie lot

[dull crow]

did you already found out what the april fool was. Maybe a good runing game XD

[ocean plover]

Sorry, but where can i get a pumpkin?

[dull crow]

this was a limited timed item you could buy at the seasonal shop they got one for auntum and wone for winter you need to wait for this auntum to buy it

[ocean plover]

Yeah, about that

[dull crow]

ok thats is new

[ocean plover]

Is it an April Fool's joke?