💬│palia-discussions

[fiery perch]

Optional Dungeons for resources, that you can party up with people. Can have basic puzzles (standing on pressure plate, hitting a lever, maybe even use a bow to hit a large hitbox/target)... etc etc. And the reward is just more resources that you'd normally get out and about.

(I wouldn't mind extra rewards to grind for, either. A plush or something since palia likes plushes ...)

[loud axle]

When we originally heard about them working on the Pavel Mines a lot of us thought it was going to be an instanced thing for parties where you have to navigate a maze of sorts and solve puzzles in the mine to find Palium and such.

Lawl.

[humble crag]

Tbh there's a lot of quality of life things that I think S6 could add to make things more fair for everyone, as well as not leaving people feeling like they're missing out on resources. For example, multiple groves in a night. But I also don't just mean with groves.

[fiery perch]

I completely can see that. I was half expecting something simlar when I first started playing. I was a little surprised it was a mine with a few nodes and that was it lol

...then felt bad when i hit a palium once, and it broke & tons of people wlaked over. I thought I did something wrong, anxiety was spiking but i kept running and pretended i didnt do anything 😂

[loud axle]

Yeah that's why I REALLY started hating the whole "call out Palium nodes" thing. The health doesn't respawn so really only 4-5 people can actually get it, if you call out and the entire server wants to come too bad 🤷‍♂️

[humble crag]

wait what? how does that work?

Are they not just nodes that despawn after an amount of time?

[loud axle]

They weren't before. When someone broke it, it was gone and would respawn somewhere else on the map.

Well, had a CHANCE to respawn somewhere else. People have to break other iron / stone nodes around the map to spawn more Palium as well.

[humble crag]

That's crazy

[fiery perch]

Yeah at the time, I had no idea. I wasn't even reading chat or anything lol. I was like "oh this is pretty! (other rambling/yapping while I hit it and it is gone)" ... Then I saw ppl walk over, like a crowd and i was like "oh smokes uhh... i was never here (flees)" 😂

I was so clueless 🤣

Kinda how I was also clueless about the Proudhorns, the ones that teleport... I just remembered I saw it, thought it was "majestic" and pretty ... then felt distraught when I saw someone shoot it 🤣

how clueless & innocent I was back at closed beta 🥲

[fiery perch]

i kinda miss them tbh

[mossy mica]

The very first time I saw palium was right when I upgraded to the exquisite pickaxe. I was in Pavel, and saw a group of people standing by it, and I thought "OOOH, this is palium!?," then hit it, and wondered why everyone was just standing there...so then I mined the rest of it. I don't recall anyone being mean in chat, or I just didn't see it. I felt bad well after the fact when I learned the "unspoken rules." That's why I don't make a big deal if flow groves get chopped "early" or palium doesn't get called out.

[fiery perch]

I 100% would of done the same if that palium wasn't on the last hit honestly!

[mossy mica]

With flow trees (not the grove) I don't even bother calling it out if I can take it myself, unless I know there are other people flow hunting.

[zealous heart]

if i wanted to make an apple orchard on my plot is there a way to place apple trees not on a garden plot

[loud axle]

Nope

[humble crag]

would you be able to glitch something around the base of the tree?

genuinely not sure

[zealous heart]

im not sure i just started actually decorating my plot finallt

[hollow escarp]

why is it so...dang bright???

its like someone screwed with the gamma correction on this game. night time isnt dark anymore.

[fiery perch]

Try to turn bloom to 0. It's helped some people

[bright ledge]

#💻│tech-help <- consult ppl there maybe to see if they can see whats going on

[pulsar meteor]

i have a sneaking feeling that some of the Switch improvements they've done (or tried) recently come at the cost of PC performance. I was already on the low end of specs and I've also noticed it struggling more in the last couple patches

[runic eagle]

Yeah same here, I've noticed a change since the last couple of updates as well. I've always been able to run on epic settings pretty smoothly and now I have intermittent freezing from time to time esp if I turn the camera to fast and have even had a few crashes to occur, as well as falling when entering some of the home tour plots that are fully decorated with the landscape skins.

[chrome river]

Met with the end again

[scarlet hazel]

man i wish my game looked like that

[floral remnant]

Just went to play Hot Pot and there were literal death threats over "spam pot" players... I like playing the real Hot Pot game to chill out so I just avoid the spam pot players. I play this game to escape negativity and this is the first time I've seen a lot of it over one thing :c

[chrome river]

block and play regular hotpot with other players

[floral remnant]

I don't really need to do that, I just avoid their tables and play my own game. It just sucks reading a bunch of mean stuff in chat btwn spam pot and regular hot pot players.

[scarlet hazel]

hotpot has always been a little fiesty really

[floral remnant]

ig idk that, I've only been playing 4-5wks and Hot Pot has always been nice until this week when "spam pot became a thing"

[scarlet hazel]

its been a thing for a bit. its just got a name attached to it now

people will always optomize and minimax things whenever possible if they enjoy that sorta stuff

[floral remnant]

Idm it, there are different player archetypes and different ways to play games. I DO mind the death threats

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah only thing to do is report and block. I never have chat open so I never see this stuff in game

[floral remnant]

I was happy everyone actually seemed so chill and nice ig for the whole time I've been playing so far so this being the thing I've seen the opposite of that makes me sad 😅 I will just close chat next time, it's just a feelsbad in a different way.

[scarlet hazel]

Oof. Yeah it's a mixed bag like any other game. For me I've seen more snark and such in this discord then anything

[floral remnant]

oh haha, I only joined like maybe 2 days ago to ask about a bug I had from the update 😂

[runic eagle]

I'm sorry you ran into such players, this isn't acceptable. Be sure to block and report and I would change servers so I didn't have to turn chat off

[polar elbow]

S6 just needs to give people a way to play hotpot at their own house imho
I can't help but feel that all this conflict between those who prefer 'spampot' and those who just want to play normally, is because A) limited timeframe to play and B) no way to create a 'private' hotpot session for yourself/people you know

[floral remnant]

how do you change servers??

[runic eagle]

It was added to the Underground cuz so many players loved it when it was introduced at the Lunar New Year Maji Market last spring, but it seems to be causing a lot of anxiety and controversy between many players here lately. They may remove/replace it all together if it continues.

[runic eagle]

Just head back upstairs to Zeki's Store or out the back exit to KV then re-enter the Underground and you will be placed in another Underground server

[floral remnant]

I'd be quite sad bc I do really enjoy playing it to chill 😓 But it'd also make sense since they're trying to create a cozy, "you're home" experience

[floral remnant]

Oh nice! Tysm 😁

[pulsar ledge]

are bow tool skins have kill effect?

Stellar Sorcery vs. Ancient Champion? which is better

[tranquil root]

I very much agree with this… I think hoarding multiple plushies that are otherwise unobtainable outside of trading is immoral and not very considerate of other people

I understand that wanting to keep the plushies you trade, all of us do, but hoarding 5 of the exact same one, as well as boasting about it is poor behaviour

[lyric night]

the only bows with kill effects are the ancient champion one and the newest veilhunter one

[runic eagle]

Hey Tiny, since you're here could u tell me if others can see that effect or just us with those. I've not seen anyone using those yet and was thinking about getting the new Veilhunter set.

[lyric night]

afaik only the ones that got a hit on the same creature will see an effect but I might be wrong didn’t test it for myself on what I heard from others

(I love the new veilhunter toolskins )

[runic eagle]

Alrighty, thanks Tiny and me too

[thorn oriole]

dont use fullscreen when alt tabbing with palia, use borderless window

i cant use fullscreen with a few games that use unreal because my entire computer will freak out w my monitors

[heavy slate]

Hello there, I might have a solution for you to try. I've been streaming it for the past two weeks...before and after the latest patch, I play full screen with dual monitors.. there is a bit of server lag when entering the server for approx 1 to 2mins but after that it clears up just fine. I do mainly play on Asia pacific servers though, sometimes Na when American friends are on...maybe try hoping to a different server and see if that fixes the issue?

[ebon sandal]

@fiery perch @polar elbow @somber crag @warm python

I'm sorry it took me a couple days, but I wanted to come back and tell you all how incredibly grateful I am for all the FFXIV recommendations!

[fiery perch]

I'm assuming you're liking the game?

[ebon sandal]

I'm OBSESSED.

[fiery perch]

Hahaha, I'm glad!! That's so good to hear!!

[ebon sandal]

I've played for the majority of the time between messages 😂

[heavy slate]

do you have any other programs running in the background that could be taking up cpu while you stream? Best way to test is have task manager open while streaming and see how if it spikes when you alt tab. I usually also only play with things open that i need open while i stream (i usually have steam, discord, obs, an internet tab, my stream and thats about open when i stream). So id try that aswell if you havent already. Hopefully this helps

[heavy slate]

personally id try it without the pngtuber program open and see how that goes just as an experiment.

I did see soemone say they may have changed the shaders aswell so maybe its using more cpu now then it use to

[somber crag]

Me flinching because I thought something was wrong and this was a mod ping, but it's actually you getting sucked into FFXIV.

I'm glad you love it!!!

[warm python]

I'm so glad you're liking it!! Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions or the like

[vale bay]

hey guys, how rare is this plush ? i have nevr seen it

i hope this is the right channel to post

like what am i supposed to do with this LMAO

[quartz orbit]

Make sushi

[olive carbon]

It's one of three giant plushies that you can get from the hotpot prize wheel, the others being a chapaa and a maji dragon. They're relatively rare since the prize wheel has such a slim slice for giant plushies! But yeah, theyre big and bulky and lots of folks can only figure out how to use a couple before the rest go into storage I discovered they have smaller hitboxes for decorating than expected though, so you can tuck them into spaces and make them like a fun little Easter egg! One way I love using them is wrapped around trees or boulders on my plot since they can kind of shimmy right up to them. Other folks that know how to glitch decorate (floating and merging kind of things) have put them in their ponds on plot!

[cold iris]

Well now there's plush trading!

[ebon sandal]

I probably will lol. This whole real MMO thing is so new to me, I had a sort of anxiety attack early on bc I just couldn't understand some of the most basic bits, like maps and controls 😆

But once I calmed TF down and worked at it a bit more, I was super hooked. I think I hit level 22 this morning, and I'm having an absolute blast.

[ebon sandal]

Sorry! I didn't mean to worry you!

[warm python]

Yeah, it can def be overwhelming at first if you're new to MMOs, but thankfully FFXIV is pretty good at being an introduction to the genre since it's always wanted to snag in the fans of the singleplayer FF games

[wispy lance]

If you don't want it, you can trade it away for something else at #🤝│trading-archived

[warm python]

It's got a very, VERY extensive free trial so I always like to recommend it to people (I mean....look at my discord bio LMAO)

[ebon sandal]

It's amazing. From a really REALLY newbie, it's so addictive and immersive.

[wispy lance]

Let's not forget pls, this is still Palia chat 😅. We also have #💬│off-topic-chat

[ebon sandal]

And yeah the trial is incredible, though I'm already deciding what other subscription is getting cancelled once I hit level 70

[ebon sandal]

Okay but, to be fair...

[warm python]

LETTERKENNY REFERENCE AYYYYYYYY

[ebon sandal]

This was a continuation of a conversation that happened bc palia is kinda going down the 🚽 for a whole lot of long time dedicated players, like yours truly.

[ebon sandal]

I'm surprised we're not watching Letterkenny right now

[olive carbon]

(I'm enjoying the ff notes because I'm also in the market for a new game due to all the things being regularly discussed in here and how a new game might fill the sad hole in my heart that Palia left so that's what I appreciates about yous)

[ebon sandal]

Oh is that what you appreciate about me?

[olive carbon]

[warm python]

I will say that I've gotten a lot of former Palia players into FFXIV and they're even better than me now, and I've been playing for a decade So yeah again just hmu if you have questions/need advice

[ebon sandal]

Will do!

[glad basalt]

The original FFXIV I stillfeel imho was the best version until they killed off all the original npc's and then pieced mealed them back into the game when the fans went into an uproar

[ebon sandal]

Gonna need you to take about 20% off there, Squirrelly Dan

[warm python]

Now let that marinate

[ebon sandal]

Ok that's it. You're my people.

[warm python]

[olive carbon]

Can't wait for the next person to come in here about to ask about flow trees or crafters and be like what happened here

[vale bay]

i think i'll do that, thanks ! 🙂

[warm python]

/touches ground, Relika has been here

[west wedge]

not that rare, I've gotten 6 while i was trying for thev giant dragon

[heavy slate]

Yea i understand that. Honestly id try it and do test stream for a half hour and see how it goes...and run task manager at the same time. If it keeps doing it then might be something else

[hexed cloak]

We need to swap RNGs
I've gotten 12 giant dragons and it's my least favorite plush
Thankfully I can now trade them away

Technically it's supposed to be equal chance but you may get unlucky

[olive carbon]

Yes you can chop it doen but you'll never get another one like it nor a repaired version! Chop at your own risk

[west wedge]

I've met a lot of players who were shocked when I told them, but then it has also become a cherished item to many. They wish they had kept it

[haughty goblet]

i swear ive always hated seeing it broken! then when i chopped a tree next to it i didnt realize that i ended up chopping IT. the shock and relief is an odd combo

[west wedge]

My husband chopped the broken sign, but kept the pile of debris with the barrel by the shipping bin. To each his own I guess

[earnest geyser]

why do wall mounts have to sit half under floor and not hung on wall...it looks stupid...too mine down why have if u cant display them right who the he;; puts wall mouns half under the floor and the other have sits on floor not hung up

[olive carbon]

It's a bug, not intentionally like that. Hopefully to be fixed in the next patch.

[earnest geyser]

yeah bug just like tools huh

[olive carbon]

If you mean tool skins, that bug was fixed, but yes, a bug similar

[earnest geyser]

always next patch before they do a thing they dont care how stupid they look

[loud axle]

Sums it up well.

[heavy slate]

All g no worries. Let me know how you go with it when you test it out 🙂

[west wedge]

In the patch notes, it also says it is a known bug that right now.You cannot place certain items in the sunrise valley set

It's just like owning a house. As soon as you fix an issue, something else breaks

[hollow crescent]

don’t say that cuz i’m doin repairs irl next year 😩

[olive carbon]

Yup, I'm aware! They also have a known issues bulletin online on their website which is where the crafters being yeeted was acknowledged

[west wedge]

It's better to know that fact going in. Then you don't get blindsided

[vagrant star]

Does anyone have an idea what the plural of "Ferris" is? Ferriss? Ferrises? Ferris? Ferrisses?

[hollow crescent]

since it’s a ferret technically, i’m assuming something (if their grouped) along the lines of “business”, but maybe it’s like with moose and so it’s Ferris for more than one

[vagrant star]

So "ferrisses"? I'm not sure I've seen it written yet...

Maybe with one s only, Ferrises...

[calm gale]

Maybe its like cactus and cacti so Ferri

[hollow crescent]

ooh i like that

[languid tendon]

UUUUUGH I'm trying to get cooking achievements but cooking is glitched :(
My character freezes and it won't work when I press buttons to prepare ingredients...

[tulip sparrow]

Do you have cinematic cooking turned off? That helps a lot

You might also try using the unstuck feature. Some people jump between ingredients prep

[languid tendon]

Yeah... :(

[olive carbon]

For freezing at cooking stations try these tricks: make sure your stations aren't touching; hold a tool while you're at the cooking station like an axe; and put your stations close to the plot spawn point and use the unstuck button to get, well, unstuck, and itll pop you put front to run to the station and hopefully finish the recipe

[languid tendon]

Dang that's a lot of prerequisites :0
Gonna do a few changes I guess 😭
Thank you so much !!

[olive carbon]

Lastly you can also post in the #💬│lfg-chat or even #🍳│cooking-foraging and see if someone would like to cook with you maybe even on their plot - you do the first step and they can be there to finish it and you both should get the food

[languid tendon]

Ooh that's definitely another idea ! Thanks again 🥰

[olive carbon]

Good luck, hope it helps!

[stray nacelle]

Hey ^^ After a long time I'm back on Palia but I have an issue that wasn't there before, when I use my mouse it keeps dragging on my 2nd screen... It's really complicated to play because of this. Somebody with the same issue ?

[weak orchid]

I am so sad they brought Hot Pot from the Faire. People want to spampot and they don't care who doesn't want to. Name calling and threating because that is how it is played now... AND they join your table and proceed to push other players out.

[sand basin]

The easiest fix for this is playing in Fullscreen

[stray nacelle]

I was already using fullscreen mod, I connected my 2nd screen to the motherboard, now it's working ^^' might be nvidia driver issue or something like this idk :/

[sand basin]

Displays should connect directly to the graphics card, not mobo

[stray nacelle]

yeah i know but by connecting my 2nd screen on the mobo it let my mouse on gaming monitor (connected to my gc)

[silent tinsel]

hey uh... is anyone else crashing a ton rn?

oh im in the wrong chat my bad

[zenith bane]

hello! i have a quick question, as known after the last update stuff disaperad or was moved automatically.
Someone on discord told me though that if i place my plushies on my plot they could disappear, is that so?

[weak orchid]

I had crafting tables all over the place! I found them all, but had to search one lot several times to finally get a work table back to its original place. I haven't had any trouble with plushies though.

[heavy hearth]

Is it safe to update my game yet, or should I still be worried about things vanishing from my plot? I haven't played at all since the update out of fear things might get really scrambled :(

[fiery perch]

If your crafters & stuff does get teleported/scrambled, all you should have to do is remove the flooring that thye were on, then reload the game!

[heavy hearth]

Okay, and is there any solution if my crafters are on grass? Or were they only going missing if they were on flooring?

[fiery perch]

It has seemed like it was due to flooring (like building blocks, the new landscape pieces, etc). I think some people reported it if they were on grass? but the main common denominator was the flooring

[heavy hearth]

Alright, thank you very much!!

[light dagger]

Anyone else’s chat down?

[rain current]

Hi all^^ i hope you're doing well 🙂 I finished all the quests the game had for me, aaaaaand i'm sad now :3 I loved every bit of it. Do we have any hint on when the devs intend to release what comes next ? I really want to know how that story goes 🥺

[lyric night]

actually yes, no clue if it was on accident or intended as a tease but they updated certain areas in the game this patch

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1298474714586419273
(don't look at the thread if u don't want to spoil urself)

for the last main story they also had some parts in the game one patch in advance, so its extremely likely that we will get more main story with the next patch in ~ 3 weeks

• additionally the new map early next year will also bring new story

[rain current]

That's great news !! Thank you 😄

[gilded widget]

so are there potato pod bingo cards in game and if so, where do I acquire them?

[delicate roost]

No, they were just used in the ad/last S6 post.

[thorn oriole]

potato pod bingo was just social media stuff, you dont get anything from it in game

[rustic vessel]

anyone able to place valley sunrise bookshelf without crashing??

[rough stone]

Thiccy already knows, but just so others see too

Known issue mentioned in patch notes with Sunrise Valley items

[hollow ingot]

Elderwoods will be releasing next year.

[rare pine]

I wonder what it is about those specific items that's causing the game to crash.

[scarlet hazel]

who knows what ended up switched around when the patch dropped

[rustic vessel]

tysm mel

[stone vault]

Hi, Are You There Devs, It's Me, Quirky. Level 100 in any skill should get you a Palium Trophy. Level 250, should get you a nameplate with let's say 1 Fish on it (if it's fishing skill, duh), level 500 should get you a name tag with two fishies, and Level 1000... 3 star and an Einar inspired and/or flow inspired trophy? Just some system of reward for all the hard workers out there to show off their favorite activity. OMG, imagine the ability to spawn fish pools on your plot when you hit a certain level? Or have a permanent +5 buff to a skill when you hit a certain level.. or... I need less coffee.

[dull crow]

@stone vault You know they got a feedback site where you can post stuff like that i post them the same thing and i think more people that this aswell i hope they gonna do this soon cause i am 200 on all skill and on some nearly 300

[jovial stump]

game needs less rng. spending 30 minutes in hotpot to get 9 ingredient bags makes me wanna uninstall. should get hot pot currency to buy things. better off farming plushies and trading for them at this point than dealing with the ridiculous double rng fiasco you have designed. ive probably done over 40 spins today and gotten nothing of interest out of it. its a shame, cuz hot pot is fun, but the wheel is a giant piece of junk.

[stone vault]

Yeah, was more or less wondering what others feel re: rewards for higher levels, ways to spend renown, etc. I just hit 702 in fishing. I feel like Einar should be my loot pet/carry my hooks to free up room in my inventory.

[runic eagle]

I've been asking for a Palium Trophy to be added in game as well at level 100 for a good long while now in feedback, and mentioned it in here again last week too. It would be such an easy thing for them to implement as they already have the model/system in place for the trophys and it's the last ore we have in game atm and it would be another incentive for players to grind out levels. #💬│palia-discussions message

[dire prawn]

I've seen a lot of people use one item as a "Register" For their home plots... what item is that?? Please help

[magic raptor]

Creating a name was insanely frustrating!

Why allow two names, and then only disallow the first name if it's already taken?

There's a reason people have surnames. 🙄

[olive carbon]

It would help if you had a picture, it might be a combination of things that are glitched together or perhaps a paltech item

[lyric night]

most commonly the investigator endtable is used as a register
which is glitched into another furniture item like table or dresser

[potent verge]

the "not being able to pick up loot" bug has happened to me 3 times in the 30 minutes I've been playing, its really unbearable at this point, I already upvoted this bug on their website but I hope it gets fixed soon :c

[polar elbow]

The game is not very clear at all about what the full name and nickname actually are.
The "full name" is just your username, that's why it's unique.
The "nickname" isn't ever really seen by other players, it's almost exclusively used for NPC dialogue

[stiff fractal]

This part is something I couldn't understand... Why are you putting down a real-life-like name? (/genuine) Why can't you choose a username like pa1ian_m1n3r lol

Edit: Is it the wording? As in, if the textbox said "Game Username" and had a infographic beside it saying it's what everyone will see you as, would that solve the issue?

I somehow replied to the wrong message, my bad! Oh wait, no, it was in response to your last bit.

[unique nacelle]

im sure there use to be a plot sharing channel and i cant see it anymore.. is it still around ?

[fiery perch]

#1267963034110922904 ?

There's also #🏡│decor if you just want to talk about home decor stuff

[unique nacelle]

thats the one, weird i still cant see it on the side (home tours)

[fiery perch]

You might need to opt-in to view it. There's some channels that are 'hidden' that way. Can double check at id:browse !

[unique nacelle]

yer i use to be able to see it

ahh yer it was unticked, ty ❤️

[brisk spruce]

am I the only one having infinite loading problems when I try to log in?

not every time, but like.... 1/3 of the time?

[inner tide]

ahh that is discord updates for you, that sometimes happens with channels.

[proper jetty]

is spampot prohibited or is it allowed by the devs? like do i get banned if i do it? i couldnt find any info online

[marsh depot]

Nope, it isn't prohibited, you won't get banned for it

[uncut moth]

Is anyone else waiting a suuuuper long time to reach the log-in screen after booting the game on PC? >_<

[dry swift]

Don't have to wait for log-in times if you never play the game.

[hexed cloak]

Sometimes it stays on "Connecting" for a long time for me. I don't know if it's because of S6's crappy servers or Valve's crappy servers

[flat grove]

Yes, I have the same problem. It started about 2 days ago.

I reinstalled the game, but not helped.

[violet inlet]

I'm curious how many others are out there playing on steam deck. I know switch users have their own channel, would it ever be possible for steamdeck players to have a place to gather?

[orchid zenith]

Anyone knows if S6 is looking into ways to address "spampot"?
I see people getting harassed left and right for joining a table and not spamming their spacebar. "Spampotters" also spam chat to fill their tables, so there is that as well.

[olive carbon]

Knowing them, they might hear of it and adjust the game to not auto-complete after the designated 16 to intentionally nerf the coin farming mechanic. But no word on that at all, and we likely will not get any until they simply change it during a patch.

[orchid zenith]

I would like to see that.

[scarlet hazel]

or they will nerf the coins and it would end up getting worse

[orchid zenith]

Lets be honest, they won't do that. They would want hotpot to be played as is and not have players be harassed for playing the game as intended. I didn't mind spampotters until I saw this toxic behaviour.

[olive carbon]

I personally do not think they care how folks play the game up until a point, that point being that they're getting more coins per game night than you can farm the "intended" way and thus spending less playtime hours in game getting the same items that they wanted you to spend literal in game months to get. So if they notice a deflation in play time, that's when they will nerf that particular mechanic.

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. all they really care about rn is inflating the numbers from what i've seen. they can try their hardest to make hotpot playable as it should be but meta gamers are always going to find a way to speedrun those games.

its really pointless to keep fixing the game when your going to make it worse for everyone that doesnt meta game or is a casual player

it happened with cooking and the stargems... what's to say everything else isn't going to be affected also?

[marsh depot]

I don't mind playing spampot but I only do it with a group of friends who want to do so as well, I wouldn't go out of my way to force the rest of players to abide by my rules, that's just entitled.

[weak orchid]

It is a shame that gaming must give into those with troubles... cheating, hoarding, and bullying are with us wherever we go and some think it is just normal.

[scarlet hazel]

its hard to really stop it in palia because making a new account is easy. you can even use fake emails still if daybreak hasnt stopped that in its tracks

[weak orchid]

This is what some do not see... there is a group that tries to take over tables. Those who want to play Hot Pot are not casual players... they want to play Hot Pot.

[olive carbon]

It was patched a while before daybreak, you have to get a confirmatiom email now I believe.
for legal purposes I know this for.....reasons....

[weak orchid]

I would hope that before this game would ever leave Beta that it would have a whole new system.

[scarlet hazel]

i havent tried myself sinc ei dont really need more then one account

[marsh depot]

This is why I wish we could have private hotpot tables. The people who want to play spampot should just party up, grab a table before hotpot starts and that way they can just do their thing without affecting the rest. I genuinely enjoy playing hotpot, but the grind for coins for the lucky wheel is ridiculous.

I'd rather they fixed the RNG system, instead of nerfing the coins altogether.

[scarlet hazel]

and yet they keep adding more and more rng things to inflate player numbers n suhc

[olive carbon]

I only know for refer a friend reasons to be fair

[weak orchid]

I like Hot Pot... I liked it when winning wasn't the focus...

[scarlet hazel]

i dont do hotpot cause i cant do games like that. now if you gave me a bejewled like game, i would be able to do it in a heartbeat

[thick wagon]

or give us more Games that give us more price wheel coins

[olive carbon]

Bejeweled, omg, such a nostalgic throwback

[marsh depot]

I also enjoyed hotpot when I didn't have to grind a whole night only to get 5 ingredient bags

Bejeweled in Palia would be so nice

[olive carbon]

Be-starstoned

[weak orchid]

I can think of all sorts of things... but it wouldn't gaurntee and

Gah...

guarantee anything but complaints... limit the amount of coins per 24 hours. Or up the random... Still there are those who have lots with hundreds of plushies and 20 trees from the Temple of the Roots...

[marsh depot]

I don't think limiting the amount of coins would be a good solution, because it affects everyone. Sadly there seems to have been a lot more hacking in the game lately.

[orchid zenith]

I think removing the auto-complete game at any point should be removed. Cant spam win anymore, and hotpot will be played as is.

[olive carbon]

There's no anticheat code in this game, so, it'll happen and continue to until it's addressed in a much more widespread way than just illegitimate trading and such

[weak orchid]

I am not talking about a meager limit... But I am old and just like playing the game as is.

[marsh depot]

And that's completely valid! I enjoy both ways, I just don't agree with people forcing others to play the way they want. There are multiple ways they could potentially go about this issue, people who want to min-max/grind will always be present.

[marsh depot]

Id really hope they could implement it at some point, because there was a hacked plot in home tours getting tons of votes and it was up for an entire week.

My biggest issue with hotpot as it is right now is that the RNG behind the wheel is excessive, so it only enables spampot more. Of course, this doesn't mean rude behaviour is excused.

[past ingot]

Good afternoon you guys! Have a wonderful Monday. 💚

[exotic lynx]

This is an all new level of being stuck....

[dry swift]

hi friends! Hope you are all having a wonderful Monday 🙂

[fiery perch]

Delayed response(s) to the spampot/hotpot convo, but i think another way to help alleviate some of the toxicity... is, uh.. let people have 1 hotpot table they can set up on their own home plot.

Could have it to where you could play it anytime, but you can only receive coins via when the black-market is open. So people can play however they want, whenever they want, and they can even do 'spampot' at their plot if they preferred.

[dry swift]

Honestly, this. Home hot pot would have been cool; even if there were no rewards.

[fiery perch]

hahaha, Hi Fern

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I honestly think it'd help. Because yeah, people will stil spampot at the blackmarket, but the people who want to play it normally could invite players to their plot-- whether it's via server, or discord. or even their own friends.

Heck, people could make their own "tournaments" that way. and with plush trading, could try to offer a handful of plushies to someone. (ofc, that person would have to have a spare of a more common plush... but.. still...)

I also just like the idea of making a "gaming spot" on my own plot too, tbh

[dry swift]

I have an "arcade" on my plot with 16 or so Rage machines. I was hoping S6 would implement different types of games as well.

[fiery perch]

One of my friends would buy an arcade machine almost everytime she went to the blackmarket & saw it

[earnest geyser]

rdy for more lies of how grat this game is at it ppatches

[olive carbon]

Courtesy of @umbral lynx

[fiery perch]

was waiting for this heheh

[dry swift]

If only arcade machines didn't take more effort than pooptato pods.

[fiery perch]

im honestly still shocked/surprised that you can't find the arcade machines still in the black market 🥲 it's been months now, i believe?

[dry swift]

Just means those of us that do have them now have a discontinued item 🙂

That is, until S6 finds a way to make a bug that deletes them from our plots.

"Oops! Pesky chapaas chewed the wires after the latest round of 3 Twitch-Exclusive potato pods. Now everyone's Arcade machines have been deleted from the game. Unfortunately we don't know what to do and will not be refunding anyone their gold. Teehee oopsie!" 🤷‍♂️

[fallow saffron]

Did S6 give a statement about the arcade machines?

[dry swift]

I doubt it. S6 doesn't do statements unless it's about something that 's going to make money for them.

For some reason S6 has this weird thing where they like to be super secretive about their updates and not communicate with the community, then they put on a surprised pikachu face when veteran players get frustrated and leave the game.

[loud axle]

Oh boy another hotfix!

[fiery perch]

Roan 💛

[fallow saffron]

I also notice that they keep blaming the NPCs when things go wrong
“The chapaas are chewing on the wires” or “Tish is fixing the house tours”

[loud axle]

Hiya Ori! I got a ping so had to check in!

[fiery perch]

I think that's what made me peek in, too
I was just focused on vibing & playing my game. Didn't even realize what time it was, whoopsie

[dry swift]

At this point I have as much faith in S6's ability/experience to run a game that I have that I'll get a product exactly as advertised from Temu/Amazon.

[viscid socket]

Question? Did the abiltiy to put shrooms and flowers in trees get glitched out of the game?

[dry swift]

I didn't even know that was a thing. Was it done with floating or some other glitch-method?

[olive carbon]

You can try asking the helpful and knowledgeable #🏡│decor folks as they always know what works after patches and what doesn't anymore

[viscid socket]

Supposedly you put them on a pillar sideways and then grow trees around it. But I can not get it to go on the side of the pillar.

[dry swift]

Did you place the pillar on a shelf?

[viscid socket]

yes

and turn it 90 degrees

[dry swift]

hm... not sure then. Decor could definitely help you out. There's also an unofficial Palia decorating discord that is very good with that sort of stuff.

[viscid socket]

thanks I will ask there.

[hidden trail]

Will it be a hotfix or a slowbreak? Let's spin that chapaa roulette wheel and find out 😂

[dry swift]

Either way it should be entertaining. I'll bring the popcorn!

[loud axle]

I'll be at work (so... Active here) to watch the chaos unfold

[dry swift]

Anyone have their theory of why the game seems to break so much? Mine is that during Alpha/Early beta they put together a really experienced team to make the framework of the game; then before the first round of layoffs S6 hired a bunch of new programmers to shadow under the veterans. Then, to cut costs they laid off most of the experienced programmers once they felt the newbies were "adequately trained" The 2nd round of layoffs probably came after the remainder of the new programmers were "trained".

[olive carbon]

Pretty sure it has to do with a "tense hand-off of code" during a layoff that resulted in no ability for the new team to reconcile with the old, base team that created that code and no route of open communication in order to discuss and cooperate on existing and new bugs. This created a "rotting foundation" that we've been seeing the suffering of since.

[dry swift]

Who is the "CEO" of S6 anyways? Is that Wizardcrab?

[olive carbon]

I googled it, don't really want to share names here because we've been told off for that before even if those names are publicly available.

[dry swift]

Understandable. I don't want to personally attack anyone.

I just know we always talk about how bad the management at S6 seems and how the devs themselves seem to be trying their best but we don't even know WHO manages S6 lol

[olive carbon]

Well daybreak does now, but s6 has retained their company and control over the game [allegedly]

[dry swift]

The best thing to come out of this game is that hopefully future devs will learn from the mistakes of Palia.

And the community, of course!

I guess what disappoints me the most is that S6 went through the trouble of making an official discord for this game, with tens of thousands of members on it; only to never use it to actually communicate with the Palia community. The official Palia discord might as well be a billboard advertising the latest patch or shop items.

[loud axle]

Their programming language is Rust for a large part of the game, which is relatively new and not many people are experienced in it. According to GlassDoor, there was a mass exodus in the Engineering department sometime around the first round of layoffs. My guess is that there are very few people left that know what they're doing in the programming department, and they are stretched quite thin between all the different departments trying to get their stuff made and implemented.

I would also hazard to guess at this point that they might be using AI at least somewhat for their programming needs, which would explain why old bugs keep finding their way back into the game if it's learning off of previous iterations of the game's code.

[fiery perch]

They were a lot more talkative (from what i've heard) back during alpha. They had some CMs during closed beta (and early open beta) that were very talkative too.

Used to be some others, too, in other channels. But they were laid off.

There's a few times where some talk here, too, and sometimes in general? usually to clarify things-- but Vega is one that comes to mind that still peeks in here sometimes, to try to discuss stuff. Usually is about story-things, though, since iirc, that is what they work on in the game?

I still am very grateful for Vega for talking with me & others about accessibility and potentially even noting it down for future reference. esp for temple of gales.

[loud axle]

The crab is their CFO I believe (or at least the person in charge of monetization / the cash shop stuff.)

[dry swift]

I loved the CMs. They were the true heroes of this discord.

[dry swift]

Oh lol. I don't know if I feel like going into another rant about Palia's monetization xD. I feel like that would just be beating a dead Sernuk with a stick at this point.

[haughty tendon]

I am having the same issue. Looks like it's bugged or got patched out.

[dry swift]

Tech is so crazy nowadays. I remember back in college when it actually took some thought and effort to even plagiarize work; more than would actually be worth it. Now I hear people use AI on assignments all the time and there are even people making money off of AI writing books and publishing them. What a time to be alive. Also sorry Orii, I meant to respond to Roan since that was in regard to the possibility that S6 is using AI now.

[haughty tendon]

I was under that same impression, also could be the fact that Palia is client side instead of server side like most MMO's are. thoughts?

[loud axle]

Yeah AI is really doing a number on artistic communities. I am absolutely sick to death of seeing AI "art" and "photos" being passed off as actual art.

[dry swift]

There's supposedly legislation in the works in some writers guilds that would give human writers a special watermark they can use to certify that their work was not done by AI. Would be interesting to see how such regulations would be enforced.

[loud axle]

I actually had no idea that's the case and it's kind of surprising actually.

[haughty tendon]

I am wondering if that also could be why they can't actually fix some of these bugs that have been around since Alpha

[untold sluice]

Need the EU to show up and declare AI art without full declaration of its origin as illegal under copyright law

Google is just covered in AI art now when you look up concept art for anything and it's so crap, most of it is empty and vapid and there are very few interesting things in them...they just look superficially clean and pretty

[dry swift]

I guess the problem is that tech always advances faster than our lawmakers can keep up with it and write new laws. Was the same way when we had the good old wild west of the late 90's/early 00's internet.

[loud axle]

Wait y'all have politicians that actually create laws that benefit people? What's that like? /s

[dry swift]

idk I'm from the U.S. I was only speaking metaphorically.

[untold sluice]

The US seems to be in an era of law protecting upper eschelon managerial decisionmaking in corporations while the EU law tends to protect consumers and then those consumer laws eventually being adopted in the US due to convenience anyway.

So as a person in the US I'm hoping the EU saves us

[dry swift]

We're just stealing the EU's homework 😂 .

I guess it all depends on where you live in the U.S. anyways. I live out in the country so not much really ever changes.

And some laws that get passed are more for show than practical. They just can't be enforced for one reason or another.

[fiery perch]

Same, esp with art/photos/etc. As an artist myself, it pains me whenever I see it spread-- esp when people think it's actually, real or drawn

On the AI topic, if they are using it, they have to disclose it on Steam. Unless they have changed their guidelines, it's something that is mandatory to do.

[fiery perch]

one way to try to reduce how much AI you see, is by typing -ai after what youre looking for on google!

[dry swift]

The wild thing is I see a lot of articles online that appear legitimate from the titles, but then when you click to read them they seem off. I suspect many "news" articles are written by AI now too which is dangerous.

It's just healthy to be skeptical of anything you see on the internet.

[dry swift]

What's a Web3 project?

[fiery perch]

It's a bot, pretty sure. As in the person posting

[dry swift]

Ah makes sense. I figured this person was probably advertising some kind of scam. I just don't know what Web3 is LOL

[fiery perch]

ty mods

[dry swift]

Thanks based mods! ❤️

[olive carbon]

Always as soon as I hit send

[dry swift]

I was like, ain't no way bug testers are getting paid $27 an hour LOL. Nobody even uses bug testers anymore 😭

[olive carbon]

Being paid PER bug??? ya RIGHT

[cinder comet]

Sign me up lmao

[dry swift]

It's too bad stuff like that is out there now to steal peoples' information. I remember getting a few "job offers" on Linkedin too. Linkedin is worse than Facebook for misinformation these days.

Also, hello Juliet! How are you today?

[cinder comet]

I definitely get a ton of fake offers on LinkedIn

I’m good! How are yall?

[dry swift]

Great! Just talking about everything BUT Palia xD

[fiery perch]

Fake offers on Linkedin, sometimes fake ones on Indeed as well- whether it's actually fake or like.. they just never removed the listing 😭

[dry swift]

Linkedin has its funny moments, like when I'm told to follow some CEO of some company I never heard of. Or when I get inspirational talks from another fellow I've never heard of that sound like someone's shower thoughts.

I've definitely taken a step back from social media. It feels like I never gained anything from it, so I never lost anything from abstaining from it either.

[cinder comet]

I barely look at my LinkedIn because I don’t browse it. When I do check it there’s always some bogus recruiting scams in my inbox ir a competitor trying to poach me.

[dry swift]

Same here. I'm grateful to work for a company that does treat/pay me well. I feel for anyone who's in a vulnerable position who reaches out to those scams because they don't know better/are desparate.

[honest spade]

Is linkedin actually a thing people use? I thought thats some weirdo space

[heady arch]

I'm signed up on there still from yeaaars ago. A while ago, i got a job offer via email willing to pay me basically 100k a year, wanting me to sign a contract right away without an interview, with not a single word about what the job actually is. Was a bit funny, and definitely a real opportunity 😂

[dry swift]

it used to be hailed as a great space for professionals to meet and network, but now it's mostly degenerate ormuu dung-posting and job scams. It doesn't seem like anyone at Linkedin really monitors their site at all which is really sad.

My friend perfectly described it as "Facebook with a tie"

[heady arch]

Nobody ever really tried to scam me on facebook, so i'd say it might even be worse. 😂

[dry swift]

I used to get a lot of "friends" from highschool who would add me out of the blue after 10+ years of no-contact and would give me some sob story about how they're a great parent just trying to feed their kid for the month and immediately send me a link to their cash-app.

[heady arch]

I was lucky to have never encountered that kind of stuff. I do get calls on my mobile now and then that are like that - and it's always the most funny thing, because all my friends from school are german, and the scammers are always speaking english 😂 😂

[dry swift]

I'd say you get a resurgence of MLM schemes on Facebook too which I'm not legally allowed to say are scams, but you know.

[heady arch]

I get you, i get you. Maybe i just don't fit the demographic of scammers on facebook, if they have something like that. Or i am not active enough, my last public post was like 4 years ago 😄

[dry swift]

I think it's a lot less common than it used to be. I think it also depends on who your friends are. I think if you tend to be friends with certain demographics that are more prone to clicking phishing links, you tend to see more scams.

[heady arch]

That makes good sense. I know my mum regularly gets scam-links in her texts, emails and stuff. Luckily, she never clicks them 😂

[dry swift]

Yeah my family tends to be very tech-savvy as well so they usually know better. Education is important.

[heady arch]

My mum isn't really, but when i still lived with/near her, i kept telling her to never click anything she wasn't expecting. And luckily, she listened!

[dry swift]

My mom built and programmed computers and taught classes on it in the 90s 😄 then most everyone in my family has built a computer at one point or another.

[heady arch]

Oh that's so cool! :3

[dry swift]

By the time my daughter is old enough to build her first computer, they're probably going to come with a step-by-step instruction like LEGOs.

[hard warren]

i think it will be nice if there is chopstick in a game

[obsidian sable]

Like when you place the star dish?

[obtuse blaze]

anyone have a photo of all available potato pods? i feel like ive seen it before but now i cant find it 😭

[worthy iris]

Ignore the checks only one I could find😭

[worthy iris]

Thank you Kira I tried 😭

[wispy lance]

I actually needed one as well and you reminded me 🤣🤣

[worthy iris]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-the-mouse-jerry-shake-hands-handshake-gif-17827738

[obtuse blaze]

thank you guys!!! <3

[random compass]

these are all the little collectable pods?

[river nacelle]

Suggestion: could we earn seasonal nameplates? Fall, winter etc? Put those into the tour rotation, take out the current ones or move tier 4s to premium or ticket shop? New name plates each season would keep people coming back to house tours.

[dense topaz]

Here you have

[worthy iris]

AHH thank you that’s what I was looking for!

[icy galleon]

What do you think, will Fall, Summer and Leafy be dropped from Lucky Coins like Spring and Winter Flutterfox?

[lyric night]

its definitely a possibility

[icy galleon]

So it is not really logical to trade Nox or Sandi with them

[lyric night]

nox and sandi might return in the future as well, when they dropped, we got was a "maybe" on that question

so simply trade what u feel comfortable with

[icy galleon]

Well i guess Twitch drops will ne different, i would love to have the wallpaper and glasses with the Nox. But i am kinda sure that flutterfoxes will be for the lucky coin in near future. Ty for you answers

[wispy lance]

!feedback If you want to suggest this I would advise to do so on they're website.

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[dry swift]

Good morning everyone!

[loud axle]

Maintenance starting soon! 👀

[dry swift]

hehehe I'll start the popcorn

[fallow saffron]

[warm python]

[fiery perch]

Morning!

[polar elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-spying-bird-gif-19372795

ah... I forgot gifs dont embed here >>

[dry swift]

Time to go make an omellette for lunch 🙂 Let me know how the "small" hotfix patch goes 😂

[scarlet hazel]

wonder what's gonna break this time

[bitter vortex]

hopefully it wont take forever... bummed they're doing it at 9 intead of their regular 7

[loud axle]

Gotta love Steam moderation, got banned for a day for pointing out an obvious troll. 🤣

Same dude and his alt accounts that keeps asking for Najuma to be a romance option. 🤢

[warm python]

Oh god that person's STILL around?

[quartz orbit]

Wait what...EW!

[fiery perch]

Oh ew
I hate it here

One of the trolls, or at least, I'm assuming it was one of them, who constantly talks about needing swimwear/bikini's in this game, ended up on discord last night it didnt last long or anything, but it was still uncomfy to read/look at again

[loud axle]

Yep, they're baaaaaccck

[warm python]

oh god the swimsuit person, I remember that one too

why are people so wild (neg)......

[scarlet hazel]

some people are so nasty what the flip man

[olive carbon]

I was analyzing this comment today and it reads so ridiculously that it almost sounded like a bot hated it

[vernal coral]

V true. Until yesterday I hadn’t run into anyone bad until someone playing hotpot by spamming threatened someone ☹️ some people are wild

[scarlet hazel]

i remember the people who would be asking if tau would be a romance option...

[fiery perch]

💀 Considering how many times that person (or group of people?) go around on steam forums, not just Palia, asks for those kind of comments it's like ... it gets repetitive to where it sounds like a bot tbf

[loud axle]

Yeah because they have all their alt accounts and such that just piggyback it seems like more than it is.

[fiery perch]

idk if it's the same instance, but i remember something like this and we kept going "THE DOG??" to where i made an emote for it like HUh??? LOL wym

[loud axle]

But basically their latest post was saying S6 should do a Kickstarter, someone tried to be nice and explain they had investors and funding and the trolls kept telling them they were wrong, didn't believe them, etc. despite people supplying links and evidence. So I just told them the account's a troll and not to bother with links to all their other troll threads. 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet hazel]

it may have been. i dont remember when it was

[fiery perch]

we appreciate you Roan

[quartz orbit]

if they said Zeki then okay...BUT THE FREAKIN' DOG!?

[loud axle]

Appreciate you Ori! Steam moderation just doesn't read into a situation at all before they slam the ban hammer down lol

[scarlet hazel]

yep. like i'd get it if tau was a furry or something, but he's... like a real life dog.

some people are just nasty bro

[fiery perch]

Yepp lol, steam moderation is uh... yep.

[quartz orbit]

I don't have a problem with furries but that....no....just noooo...

[loud axle]

Makes me appreciate our mods here more for sure! ♥️

[fiery perch]

"the login item displacement issue should be resolved!"

So i am assuming this means crafters are safe now?

[loud axle]

Excited to hear about how it goes~

[warm python]

Hopefully!

[loud axle]

I will say props to them for doing a fix for something not cash shop related between patches

[fiery perch]

True. I still hope though, for that one issue with that Frog Outfit bundle to be fixed, though, too , cuz as far as i know, it's still bugged

[ember lark]

Field school & Funeral potatoes quests are still glitched :/

[brazen cipher]

Was excited to see if i can place my achievemend rewards on a Wall again but still only on floor

[fiery perch]

Yeah.. that probably wont be fixed until at least next actual update/patch

[river dew]

Does anyone know if the update for “placement issues” will fix my preserve barrels??? Everytime I log in, they are sideways, outside on the other-side of my lot from my kitchen inside the house… it’s annoying because it stops the crafting too

[loud axle]

That sounded like what it was supposed to fix. Did you login now and they're still placed incorrectly?

[river dew]

I’m currently at work and can’t tell. Was just curious if that included the issue 👀

[fiery perch]

It's apparently what it was supposed to fix. I know for some, it's showing the crafters at the front of the plot, or on a different plot.

[river dew]

Ahh I hope so, thank you guys

[lyric night]

functional items still jump off builder items (which are placed on "floor" so in buildings)
but they seem to land infront of the plot now instead of randomly underground or in the air, which should players allow to recover their stuff again

so it is more like a temporary fix for the missing crafters situation

[loud axle]

Oof

Well it's something. Any other emerging issues we know of?

[olive carbon]

So far reported fixes are the stuff on sabbatical coming back to work, and possibly a fix to tool wheel/tool switching not working (for PC I believe). Wall decor and sunrise stuff still borked so far. Background music and press A to loot still gone for switch players.

[dry swift]

Sup yall did I miss anything on my break? lol

[loud axle]

Soooo game is basically unplayable on Switch then if you can't loot stuff

[fiery perch]

Some people on switch can't press A even during like, cooking :( i dont think it happens as often as the loot one, but yeah...

And it looks like the tool switching, at least for some people, is still broken? I didnt rly understand that one either, but i think that's bc i never clicked to change my tools and only hovered w/ my mouse cursor

[fallow saffron]

Wait there’s no looting? /gen

[barren wyvern]

By looting you mean pressing A to collect anything in general?

[dry swift]

That seems like a big oopsie poopsie.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, issues like that though, I genuinely didn't expect to be fixed duirng the hotfix. Since it rarely seems to be the focus for hotfixes on Palia.
I don't expect that to be fixed until like.. atleast next update/patch.

[barren wyvern]

I did not have background music earlier, but I was still able to collect wood on Switch prior to the hotfix. Hopefully that has not changed...

[fiery perch]

It just seems to be a bug that happens every once in a while, and not something that's constant

[dry swift]

So what did the hot fix fix?

[fiery perch]

It moved functional items (crafters, chests, statues, etc) that were on building blocks/floors-- to the front of ppls plots (or on a diff one). It was like a temporary "fix" so people could access them and i guess move them back?

So hopefully it's more like that when it "yeets" rather than going into the floor

[tender mantle]

Not a biggie, but windmills appear to be broken. Seems like you can still hear them moving, but they no longer move.

[dry swift]

You know, I'm starting to believe in Roan's theory more and more than AI is behind the patches lol

Not being able to use "A" on Switch seems like a major issue though if that's true.

[blazing trout]

I didn't think we were able to place decorations outside our plot but I've seen a handful of homes in the tour that have done just that. How do you do that?

[olive carbon]

Check out the #🏡│decor channel, the methods are called out of bounds and glitch decorating which you can find a lot of videos on YouTube for how-tos!

[blazing trout]

Thanks. So a bug it is. I'm not getting banned for exploiting, so I'll refrain. 🙂

[dry swift]

You won't get banned for it.

[fiery perch]

You won't get banned or anything for it. It's not exploiting

[olive carbon]

It's not a bannable offense, there's nothing against clever use of the game mechanics in the ToS and you won't get in trouble for doing it.

[dry swift]

S6 literally does not care about you using the Floating technique. a large portion of the home decor community does it, myself included. S6 probably won't ban you for anything unless it's language/spam/botting related.

[fiery perch]

It isnt like youre using a bug to get infinite gold or anything! That'd be different. And even then, that doesn't get you banned. This is just doing different cosmetic/aesthetics on your plot, and they have no issues with it, and have even mentioned they have liked the creativity from it. (..which does make me wish they just.. made it easier or doable without needing to glitch, but alas...)

[hexed cloak]

They just (3 letters)

[dry swift]

I remember when we could craft Sunrise Valley furniture with 1 stone when Temple of the Gales came out, as well as parts of the Spring Fever set that weren't released yet and S6 did nothing about it.

[hexed cloak]

I don't think they did anything about the egg exploit either

[amber briar]

Hiii Palians, is there like… a safe place in discord for me to gripe a bit to my larger community…

[dry swift]

WELCOME! This is it lol.

[amber briar]

😂🤪🤣. Hi

[dry swift]

If you have things about the game you'd like to complain about you found the right discord thread.

[amber briar]

So I’m just sad they fixed the toolskins for the paying players (myself included) but they didn’t fix the game mechanics for that darned a button😂🤣😭😭😭

I’d rather be able to pick up that rainbow tipped butterfly, then look cool doing it… ya know…

[dry swift]

Of course! Totally get it lol. In here we've mostly accepted that when S6 patches something they usually break 5 more things xD

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[hexed cloak]

And as a hobbyist coder I totally get them 🫂

[amber briar]

I love and support S6… that’s why I pay… but I don’t think paying players should get coddled because we bought the devs a cuppa

[dry swift]

There's usually a debate in here as to why the game is so rough around the edges. I think the consensus is that we know the devs are trying their best but management sucks.

But it's hard to tell for sure when there is literally 0 communication between S6 and us.

[amber briar]

I mean the devs are fine really…. They just fired like 30 of them though

[hexed cloak]

They had to fix it because it is content people paid for. And they didn't fix it right away either

[loud axle]

It was well over 30 lol

I think the total after all the waves of layoffs was close to 100

[amber briar]

🤯

😭

[dry swift]

They fired the majority of the devs working at S6; including the CM's whose job was to communicate with the playerbase. So there has been a giant steel curtain between us and the devs for months. It has made many of us frustrated.

[loud axle]

One of the waves alone was 49

[amber briar]

🥺

[dry swift]

I think unless you're on this discord, most players don't realize how very close to the edge this game is teetering sometimes.

[fiery perch]

To be fair, I don't think paying players got coddled (im assuming this was an overexaggeration or hyperbole? the 'tism makes it hard at times lol)... but the tools def needed to be fixed, and/or:: have free refunds (specifically if ppl bought any during the skins being broken) and not advertised while it was happening.

I dont think, personally anyways-- im not a coder-- that the toolskins being fixed had any correlation to the "A" button getting messed :[

[dry swift]

Yeah... nothing wrong with giving paying players access to the things they paid for. That's just customer service.

[hexed cloak]

Even a coder wouldn't be able to tell you, since we don't see their code

[dry swift]

And for some reason, even though it's implied that S6 is in very deep right now, they still choose to be secretive about everything that's not shop-related. It's not a good look for them.

[hexed cloak]

Personally I understand that ish happens and was willing to wait for a fix, but some people might be (rightfully) mad that their paid stuff got taken away

[amber briar]

I really hate to gripe like this, and I feel super supported right now… and I’m almost ready to get Palia up again

[dry swift]

If you're still having fun playing Palia, by all means play! If not, taking a break is always healthy.

[loud axle]

A lot of us have given up on it but just continue watching to see if there's a reason to come back.

I was hoping trading was going to be a good enough reason for me and then they ruined that by making it plushies only

[amber briar]

Yup the trading broke my heart

[hexed cloak]

I feel like it being plushies only is them testing the waters

[dry swift]

Personally I played Once Human for a while after I got sick of Palia not improving much, then got bored of that and now I'm back on Runescape again and loving it.

[amber briar]

That’s true too

[loud axle]

I'd love to see some evidence supporting that but... 😦

They've basically equated trading to cheating before. Plus I just don't see how trading plushies would give any kind of indication on how actual item trading would go...

[hexed cloak]

Monitoring player behavior with trading?

[hexed cloak]

Palia is the perfect mindless game, where I can just hop on and do whatever

[amber briar]

They want to make Palia a bigger universe then mine craft if they can get out of the waters they are definately just testing…. With poor funding😂🤣

[dry swift]

People either seem to be for trading freely and letting the players run it, or think that trading will destroy the game for some reason lol.

[loud axle]

Their funding was quite a bit actually... $50 million initially and then Daybreak injected another $10 million I believe

[amber briar]

I don’t know much but that’s not that much money really😕

[hexed cloak]

And add cosmetics sales to that

[dry swift]

But didn't S6 say that without Daybreaks additional $10m a year, Palia would have been dead within the year?

[amber briar]

Fair

[dry swift]

Which implies that $50m went down the drain at some point.

[thick wagon]

...what the hell happened to that 50m?????

[loud axle]

I mean consider that My Time at Portia's Kickstarter only raised $150k lol

[amber briar]

Whatever happens to large sumps of cash when people just want more…

[amber briar]

Unfortunately that’s not saying much… money isn’t worth what it once was

[lucid hornet]

idk, if GTA V was about US$265 in development and marketing, Palia hasn't gotten really far with a whopping 1/5th of that.

[amber briar]

They have much bigger plans though then just the Palia we know right now

[loud axle]

They started development about the same time as Palia and have put out a second game in the same time though lol

Working on the third now!

[amber briar]

Different type of game to be fair

[dry swift]

You know, it does really make me wonder where all the money went though. S6 had around 200 employees with a 50m budget. Not counting costs to develop the game, paying all those people assuming they make ~$40k a year (Probably more), that comes out to $8m a year in salaries.

[lucid hornet]

yeah sure, metapaliaverse

[amber briar]

Kinda😅😂

[feral gate]

What was in the hot fix?

[dry swift]

A firm handshake and a new potato pod.

[amber briar]

They fixed the tool skins

[fiery perch]

not this hotfix from today. that was fixed earlier

[amber briar]

Haven’t gotten either yet😅😂

[amber briar]

Oh my bad😅😂🤣 ignore my answer then lol

[fiery perch]

it apparently has made it to where crafters/statues/chests/etc on building floors, will instead teleport to the front of the plot (or different one). Instead of it resulting in yeeting them at random places (including under ground).

[hexed cloak]

That's also the second hotfix already after last week's update

[lucid hornet]

i think even if you double your 40k you're still a bit low, iirc they are in LA?

[loud axle]

They're both life sims but Palia does have the online portion to be fair, yes.

[dry swift]

I think you might be right. so 80k here is probably average in LA lol

[dry swift]

So that'd be roughly 16m a year on employee salaries. Game was in Alpha/Beta for 2-3 years right? That explains where all the money went LOL

[loud axle]

Sooooo that's complicated. Because the studio is based in LA but had a lot of ICs and remote workers from other countries and states so I really don't know if you can calculate an average salary just based on LA.

[stiff fractal]

I agree. It doesn't even hurt to be a little more transparent. Now that being said... it was eye-opening to find out that certain things that existed in Alpha had not been released on Open Beta, and was later masked as a new update.

Even the camping gear... It already existed. All we have to do is look at Subira's room to realize those items already existed, and that S6 simply turned it available for us.

Makes me really take a double look at why we have a lifelong NDA (... I mean, that was supposed to be public knowledge but in case it's not, tell me I deleet)

[amber briar]

Even if S6 had all the money… plans for Palia are SOOOO ENORMOUS that Palia would still be in development for years to come😂🥲🤣😂

[loud axle]

Yeahhh the things I'd love to talk about, but NDA. 😅

[lucid hornet]

Id say its good enough for a rough estimate, with the amount of employees its pretty clear where the money was spent.
But with that many employees i am questioning what all these people did.

[dry swift]

Professional coffee-pourer, professional coffee carrier, professional shoe tier, etc.

[stiff fractal]

Basically nothing - they re-ran an event that already existed and added Chapaa Chase (right?) which was itself buggy as LKFAJLKEDF. They added new shop stuff, but that's LITERALLY the only new content we have seen :/ the rest were features that basically were already available in game, just not available to players (that's what I think anyways, at least about the camping gear and the lack of REAL content)

[daring lichen]

Yeah, and they have promised SO MUCH that they could give us, but they just go ghost and drop these crumbs for us

A few patches around the star stones they said we would have the ability to request star quality items. Cut to a year later

[dry swift]

I mean, I was watching the social feed/news feeds for months and only seeing shilling for shop products while the actual gameplay got stagnant so that really killed any hope I had in this game lol.

[stiff fractal]

All this being said, I feel like they do have hope - but that's only if they pull off a Elderwoods expansion so magical and so stunning, it immediately makes up for the years of dryness

[dry swift]

Them giving us maji market 1 week a month was a "WOW! This update is amazing!" moment for me until I realized that any other competent multiplayer game could do that with a few lines of code.

[stiff fractal]

Frankly embarassed myself going WOW over it as a lifelong multi-MMO player

[fiery perch]

I felt like such the unpopular opinion when I saw that and was like "ok...? this is.. not great" lol. or at least it felt very mid to me. I also felt like part of it was me being biased since I can't really be at maji much anymore for accessibility reasons

[dry swift]

I think 1 of 2 things would need to happen at this point for Palia to succeed. 1: Fire literally everyone who is in a management position in S6 right now and replace them with competent managers who know how to code/train/manage. 2: Let the game die and someone at S6 leaks the source code so that it can be crowdsourced to the actual players.

[fallow saffron]

@little estuary Pining you here because I totally agree. There should be more free clothing options. I do not think it’s too much to ask for more free cosmetics /gen

[stiff fractal]

Yeah, it was just straight up re-run with one addition iirc

the modders would literally save the game - do far more than the devs lmao (ESPECIALLY if that includes creating whole brand new zones like Bahari City)

[daring lichen]

I see the benefit in giving new players a chance to get these items. But they could also just add more stuff

[dry swift]

Another major problem I had with Palia is that there's too much wax fruit. Too many pretty things that do nothing.

[amber briar]

I think non paying Palians should still be able to get anything us paying players get hands down

[olive carbon]

Monthly/general maji market return hater, checking in. I really didn't like how they brought it back and liked the bugs even less. I actually haven't played besides to grab login rewards since the second rerun.

[amber briar]

They just need to grind extra hard for it

[dry swift]

"Wow! This refrigerator is so cool. Can I store food in it? Nope. Oh wow! This pirate cannon is so cool! Can I shoot cannonballs/fireworks out of it/does it roll? Nope."

[little estuary]

Yeah absolutely, but sometimes f2p players just can’t get what they want unfortunately. I really want to play the game again but it’s not that enjoyable since I care about cosmetics and looking pretty in games like these as well but I’m unable to pay for them, they become extremely overpriced for someone in my region (I live in Türkiye) and having stuck with only a few variants of the same clothing since release is a bit too boring

[hexed cloak]

Isn't that the case in a lot of games with decor

[dry swift]

OH neat. I just spent 3 hours getting the materials for this bed whose formula took me a long time to unlock. Can I sleep in it? Nah.

[fiery perch]

It isnt even the worst idea, but i just dont' like how they went about it. It'd be neat if they were themed depending on the season, have more games included (variety is always nice..), and maybe not lock most of everything (including food) behind the tickets...

And again, pls, i beg, give me a way to turn off visual effects and the like. I can't go there bc of all the fireworks, and the popping balloons is too much for me rip. so it's just inaccessible for me, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[stiff fractal]

Yeah, like... put in SOME effort?

[dry swift]

I guess. But then what makes Palia's decor any better then when there are other games out there where at least a good 30-40% of the decor does something?

[fallow saffron]

I agree! I too like to dress up in games like these earn-able cosmetics are a great idea, but they won’t listen

[worn snow]

beep boop how's discussions doing?

[dry swift]

For example, Palia has a functioning arcade machine you can put in your house. Why couldn't S6 do more stuff like that? Why does everything have to be plushies? What if I don't care about plushies every update.

[stiff fractal]

I mean about the maji market themes, it couldn't possibly be that hard to add some pumpkins for the halloween time, then some festive trees for when Christmas comes :(

[fiery perch]

Hey Eyore

[loud axle]

If the plans were so enormous I would have hoped for better budgeting and a bigger attempt to put out more content to keep players engaged off the bat. Launching a game with literally two playable areas was...a choice

[stiff fractal]

if we can decorate the heccks out of a plot a paid worker can too

[little estuary]

Yup! Maybe they will put them out in the future, I won’t stop hoping LOL

[lucid hornet]

the good old unobtainable arcade machine

[loud axle]

Well it does but you haven't been able to acquire it for months apparently for some unknown reason lol

[scarlet hazel]

It honestly so upsetting how the management keeps running this game into the ground

[stiff fractal]

When it does appear, it's a blank space LOL

[fiery perch]

Yeah, this is def what i mean by the themes. Could add a few extra. I fthey really wanted, could even theme some of the minigames.

Can re-add hotpot, but change the visuals for the cards. Chase chapaas? can put the chapaas in hats. Change what the balloons look like. Maybe add a seasonal vendor there.

[hexed cloak]

If they ever go mobile they could do something like watch 1 ad per irl day and get like 20 Palia coins for it

[fallow saffron]

I got tired of those plushies real quick. I notice they are using the plushies to advertise paid cosmetics sometimes too

[fiery perch]

I giggle still at the in-game mail you would get for the login rewards for some of those plushies

[dry swift]

My guess is that they just have 1 dev who REALLY likes to draw plushies in their spare time and the CEO of S6 was like "OMG this is brilliant!" Then someone at some point in the board room was like "What if we take the Jpeg of these plushies, blow them up 5x and add them to a gacha system?" Now that person is the new CEO.

[stiff fractal]

That kind of work feels literally doable by one or two workers, but I'm not in the industry and those who ARE in the industry apparenly feel very badly for S6 in a understanding/sympathetic/forgiving way

Anthony can you not

[hexed cloak]

Let's be honest here, Palia is one big collectathon with some story tacked on the side

[fallow saffron]

One of the six workers at S6

[amber briar]

Absolutely and…. The founders ideas are drifting away with this new development supposedly saving the day… it’s now more about the money! And less about building a community on a grand scale…

[fallow saffron]

They’re probably sketching plushies and paid cosmetics right now

[stiff fractal]

A incomplete story at that, if only we could know MORE.

[lucid hornet]

maybe 1 coin, 3 if they are really nice, one ad isnt worth that much

[hexed cloak]

If it's 1 coin per ad then you'd literally need more than a year to get the most basic tool skin.

[amber briar]

Ooh that’s not a bad idea!!!

[lucid hornet]

thats the point of these useless crap ads

[hexed cloak]

Giving some coins for free would entice more people to pay for them

[dry swift]

tbh I'm just glad Runescape has none of this lol. At least OSRS.

[stiff fractal]

Apparently the CEO of S6 went to a university in my city, and I won't lie... that does not really forebode well from my local insider knowledge and perspective PARTICUARLY because the folks who graduate from business at UBC tend to go crazy hard on getting money for themselves (and specifically themselves, anyone else is expendable that kinda thing)

[amber briar]

I love my outfits and skins but I want non paying Palians to get that joy as well

[stiff fractal]

Ngl though at first I went like OH MY GOD THAT'S SO COOL lmao

[lyric night]

they patched in some stuff in certain areas this patch which seem to be related to the next story update, just like they did with the last story drop one patch in advance as well (still don't know if that was ever intended, bcs the latest additions seem to be on accident lol)
but we should very likely get more story next patch, so thats at least something

[loud axle]

I would just love y'know, anything to grind and earn that isn't an RNG mechanic.

Skins and clothes for fulfilling long-term achievements and such.

[dry swift]

Catch fish. Good. Now catch all the fish. Good. Here is a fish on a board for your house. Good job!

[amber briar]

It wouldn’t bother me to pay while others get for free!!! We all deserve to have fun… and some people are just more/less fortunate then others

[stiff fractal]

I would say the reason they aren't giving F2P a way to get the outfits is because they NEED the money, but at the same time... why can't there be "premium-only" pay2wear clothing (perhaps the animated ones?) and the rest can be EARNED by F2P methods

[lucid hornet]

yes and no, depends on how they proceed with the store.
since they added uneven pricings, the entice is the left over coins.
waiting for time limited coupons and we may have a working model, if the store would actually feature more interesting stuff (well a bad model for us players, but it works..)

[stiff fractal]

that would literally encourage more gameplay if anything

[dry swift]

I mean, I'd buy $100 in cosmetics from the store right now if they'd ditch the predatory pricing model.

[amber briar]

Here here😅😂

[hexed cloak]

I already did that and more lol
I might have a small problem

I really love that new dress that lets you make your skin funky colors

[stiff fractal]

I don't understand why they didn't just go with a model that meant paying individual clothing item (not outfits bundled together) while having the coins be cheaper in terms of IRL payment - that way it's even more of a microtransition-y way to get money. We hate microtransitions for good reason, but if it means keeping Palia afloat, so be it

[dry swift]

I hate when gaming companies have a cash shop and then go "We're gonna make all the coin packages as confusing and uneven as possible so that people have to buy more to get what they want." It's such a scummy tactic for people with mental conditions like OCD as well.

[lucid hornet]

don't worry, i try to not to speak about my riot account.
just too embarrassing.

[dry swift]

tbf I spent around $400 on cosmetics for Once Human and I don't even play it anymore lol. I peak at the discord every once in a while and they have a new $200-400 gacha box every week.

[stiff fractal]

just keep it simple as fudge please lol yeah you're 100% right about that. it could be a price of 1,2, or 3 premium coins but nah it has to be confusing

NDA WHY DO YOU EXIST GO AWAY NDA ADLKFKALFJDFDJH /random vent sorry

[lucid hornet]

i mean it was pretty okayish for some time
a lot was 450 / 850 / 1700 which are available as packages.
but now.. well.. who wants a mask for 666 coins? maybe something for 818?
just roll the dice next time..

[worn snow]

hi valk!! im so sleepy

[dry swift]

I just look at anything in the Palia cash shop and just laugh because I know that asset probably only took a few hours to make with the exception of maybe a new housing plot skin. No way you're going to get me to pay $18 for a ferret with a backpack.

[hexed cloak]

Good thing I held onto my 213 coins It helped me buy the new outfit which also has uneven pricing (2750 coins)

[stiff fractal]

It's so dang cute though asdfsadf why can't it be in game?!!?!

[lucid hornet]

people buy it. pets/mount skins are extremely good sellers in games while being cheap to "produce"

[stiff fractal]

Imagine those lil things scurrying around delivering mail just because there's so many humans now that Auni's route is too vast

[hexed cloak]

New $90 WoW mount says hi

[dry swift]

I just wish more people would see that cosmetics =/= content. Cosmetics are sprinkles on the cake, not the entire cake itself.

[hexed cloak]

Uneven pricing is also why, when they released the Prismbeard outfit and glider, I opted for the outfit standalone instead of the bundle with the glider

[fiery perch]

this hurts/pains me so much LMAO esp as someone who always wants to use the AH since I'm always running around

It's been funny seeing how many ppl bought it & seeing the increase of price with WoWTokens, though tbh

[hexed cloak]

I hope we don't get outfits with such prices in Palia

Like, you can buy a budget phone with that money

[hexed cloak]

What's worse is that sometimes I'm lowkey bragging about it

[lucid hornet]

yeah, but I also have to disagree. kinda.
sure cosmetics isn't content (at least if u cant unlock them without $$)

IMO: the amount of hours played, also dictates how much money a game should/can be worth for the player.
I know sounds a bit weird at first, but you aren't going to play 500 hours without having fun. But apart from that, the amount/limits has everyone to decide for themselves.

Looking at (AAA/)story games which get more expensive with every release, yeah maybe the price wont change (tho it did a year ago or something lol) or not much, but many get shorter and shorter.

[hexed cloak]

Yeah Steam is showing 800+ hours on Palia for me, and counting non-Steam playtime there's easily 900+ hours

[thorn cypress]

I used to be able to justify spending money on cosmetics in this game because it has kept me entertained more than many of the AAA games I have purchased and played. But now, I can't justify spending money on the game in its current state with no clear roadmap and an unclear future. Things seem too up in the air right now. For me, that = purse is closed. No matter how darn much Ferris gives me cute aggression. Darn you, Ferris, why you so cute?!

[thorn cypress]

This is why I chose to not play on Steam. I don't even want to know how many hours I have 😂

[dry swift]

To make a counterpoint (I think) to what you're saying. I have at least 10,000 hours in OSRS (Been playing since 2002 on-and-off). Aside from membership subscription costs I have spent $0 on the game because there is no MTX. Every cosmetic is unlockable for FREE and there are even 3rd party plugins that can give you custom cosmetics (of course only you can see them). Jagex banks on its content being quality to keep players coming to the game and they regularly ask for player feedback and host livestreams. They also have a roadmap.

I have probably played Palia for around 1,200ish hours. I have spent $50 on the cash shop because I wanted to support what I thought at the time was a good indie dev. Since then I have been unable to justify spending a penny more in their shop because every update afterwards has felt lacking in quality.

[hexed cloak]

Aside from membership subscription

Well there you have it. Palia does not require payment to play

[dry swift]

Fair enough. But I forgot to mention that OSRS is also technically free-to-play now as you can buy membership with ingame gold.

[loud axle]

I'm just bewildered y'all found enough to keep you occupied for that many hours. I definitely put in several hundred hours testing and such but the RNG and decorating being the main attraction just really didn't do it for me. I guess it does show that there is an audience for the game that appreciates what it is, I just wish it appealed to a wider audience so that it would be more successful

[hexed cloak]

But you still need to subscribe to earn said gold in the first place?

[dry swift]

Nope. You can be a F2P player, make the money in F2p, then buy membership with the gold you earned in F2P. It might take a couple months but it's definitely possible.

[lucid hornet]

well, doesnt really matter if its MTX, sub or 1-time-bought (licened lol).
Any estimate how much in Subs you paid over the years?
You decide if its worth that money, sure its not only time, there are more factors, but one of the biggest factors for myself is time and with that entertainment/fun.

[dry swift]

Then once you're a member making the gold to sustain membership is easy.

[loud axle]

Like my playtime in Stardew Valley is around 1300 hours and I've probably gone through two dozen save files in that time

[fiery perch]

OSRS is free to play. There's just a membership option to unlock other stuff, if i remember correctly? I'm sure Herp can correct me It's been a while

[dry swift]

Over the years? I've probably spent around $1k on RS membership, as a majority of my childhood on it was in F2P. And much of my membership is now paid with ingame gold. As long as you play smart, it's a very cheap game to get into. Membership is ~$15 a month now, but they also do legacy pricing; so if you were one of the OG's that paid $5 a month when Runescape was new you'd still be paying that today.

I'll also add that there's more to do in the free version of OSRS than the entirety of Palia.

[lucid hornet]

This game gets me every now and then, without the rng and more content pretty sure more, it would be relaxing. I'll literally have 60 hours in a week and then none at all for weeks, even months.
sometimes only to help someone or test something.

[lucid hornet]

thats a steal for 10k hours of entertainment.

[dry swift]

I know Runescape isn't for everyone though and I respect that. I just think many other devs can learn from what Jagex does.

the Jmods (Jagex devs) have also openly talked about how they make less than devs from other studios but they work on Runescape because they love the game and the players. And our playerbase LOVES our devs.

[warm python]

also I'mma just say that I would MUCH rather pay a subscription fee and get quality content at a stable pace then play a free game with MTX and get uhhh /gestures to the state of things

[grave wharf]

Osrs maybe.. RS3 on the other hand is a whole other mess and full of mtx crud that I have stopped tolerating .. but that’s an off topic discussion. lol

[dry swift]

Of course lol we don't talk about RS3. The game itself is definitely good, but the MTX... sheesh lol

[loud axle]

This is why I get so frustrated with people defending Palia with "it's F2P!" like... F2P games generally make more money than they would by just making it a single purchase. It's not something they do out of the goodness of their hearts, it's a business strategy.

[warm python]

Exactly it's a business model not a charity which a lot of people don't get?? They sat down at some point and went "Okay, we'll make more income off of selling cosmetics instead of upfront purchases", it's just...another monetization strategy

though considering the bigger and bigger push on them and the needed buyout ig it wasn't making them as much as they hoped

and it's too late to change course

so they're pretty much stuck on the MTX route, I am very much expecting some kind of premium pass in the future as well

[loud axle]

Well that model relies on making a game people want to keep playing and they just... Don't have the content and don't appeal to a wide enough audience for that

[warm python]

Mmyup

[lucid hornet]

well, as an always online game, they need MTX or sub, or both.
But either way doesn’t work out without content. And I’d guess if it would be sub only, we wouldn’t even write here anymore.

[dry swift]

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the fact that S6 seems terrified of trying anything new/risky; like a new skill system or actual trading or combat... The entire game feels lukewarm.

[warm python]

Yeahhh. There's not enough (both in content and imo goodwill) to justify a sub at this point

[dry swift]

I thought raising livestock would have been a cool feature. Was highly suggested for a while, S6 said they'd look into it at some point. Never mentioned again.

[lucid hornet]

the other question is: how exactly did they built the game. With a lot of technical debt it could be very difficult to do stuff. Which really shouldn’t be the case.. but well…

[dry swift]

Don't you think all the recycled assets and lack of tangible content in the game suggest that after the layoffs they backed themselves into a development corner?

[lucid hornet]

the problem i have with all of that is still, what did all of the employees do before the layoffs?
there isn't that much content, so they focused on building a very solid, extendable, adaptable base? doesnt seem like they did that.
full circle to a hour ago

[dry swift]

It is very strange. It makes you wonder if this whole game was just a money laundering scheme or something lol

Like we all know that management at S6 is BAD, but so bad that we haven't had a CM in months? So bad that they needed Daybreak to bail them out after only a few years of development?

For all we know, this game could have been doomed from the start because of the decisions of 1-2 people and we would have been none the wiser.

[polar elbow]

They apparently got, what, 50m in investment funds towards making the game before daybreak, too, iirc?
something like that
That's a lot of money spent on developing a relatively small amount of game tbh

[dry swift]

Sounds like they need an audit tbh

[hot temple]

Horizon Zero Dawn was made with less budget which is wild to me

[lucid hornet]

i mean.... its cost-savings.
before the CMs didnt seem to have much of an influence anyways..
sure its bad, but well, not really sure if it would make a big difference

[thorn cypress]

This might be irrelevant, but something that always stood out to me was how they also hired a live orchestra for the game's soundtrack. I imagine that wasn't cheap.

[dry swift]

I thought S6 came out with a statement saying they would have shut down within a year if not for Daybreak.

[lucid hornet]

in terms of 50m of investments, i'd say thats a smaller one, still big, but not in relation. aren't the voice actors also more expensive ones?

[lucid hornet]

i mean having a CM wouldn't make a big difference. It simply doesn't seem like the feedback ever made it.. anywhere

[thorn cypress]

That is mind-blowing.

[dry swift]

I mean, it would help if S6 actually ever gave their CMs the resources they needed to effectively communicate with us.

Or if S6 actually ever talked to us on here, or anywhere other than through the social-feed/palia-news threads which are just Cosmetic shop shilling 90% of the time. It blows my mind that this studio thought they could get away with not having a conversation with its players, like ever.

[lucid hornet]

literally any communication would be an insane difference.

[dry swift]

I imagine the "feedback" inbox on their official site is also full and left on unread sadly.

[thorn cypress]

Oof, out of curiosity, I did a basic search. According to what I read, the average indie game voice actor could make $100 to $250 per hour. Your point is very valid. (I didn't research this in-depth so take what I said loosely)

[dry swift]

Reminds me of a Code Enforcement Officer I used to work with. Didn't have an email, didn't own a cell phone. Only way to get in touch with him was to come to the town hall during his office hours and he also LOVED to take spontaneous camping trips.

[warm python]

And theres NO way they didn't spent a big amount on the VA budget considering all the huge names

[thorn cypress]

True, admittedly this conversation has enlightened me on the cost of voice acting.

[warm python]

Like the voices are great and all but getting all those names was VERY ambitious for a company's first game

[lucid hornet]

iirc there were some huge names on the list on voice actors, pretty sure these are even more expensive.

[warm python]

My eyes popped out of my head when I heard Robbie

[lucid hornet]

I'd be very surprised if they read anything in there in at least the last few months.

[dry swift]

I love going down a VA rabbithole for certain shows/movies. I learned that Robert Paulsen (The voice of the Animaniacs), does cameos for a bunch of different kids shows.

[warm python]

Hell even having the games switch announcement right near the end/final award of the Game Awards could not have been cheap at all

Like that was a prime time advertising spot lol

[thorn cypress]

This is why I enjoy this channel. There is always something to learn or be reminded of. It's all very interesting to consider.

[loud axle]

I blew minds today at work telling people Gizmo in Gremlins was voiced by Howie Mandell lol

[dry swift]

Also learned that Kel Mitchell (from Keenan and Kel) VA'd for a dog on the Curious George cartoon. 😂

[warm python]

Oh man I love going down VA rabbitholes

[dry swift]

The thought of Kel Mitchell making barking and dog noises on a cartoon was just hilarious to me for some reason.

[loud axle]

This has always been hilarious to me because the soundtrack doesn't actually play half the time. It always seemed to come and go randomly while running around, with the game just being utterly silent at points.

[warm python]

But yeah I feel like.... For S6's first game, they got WAY too ambitious, budgeting it like one from an established studio

[polar elbow]

that's very much the impression I get, yeah

[dry swift]

Meanwhile, OSRS still using MIDI noises for its music and SMASHING it

[lucid hornet]

guess they tried to get the minecraft magic, but that doesnt work with their soundtrack.. well and game overall.

[dry swift]

Guild Wars 1 also has an amazing OST.

[cinder temple]

MIDI music, my beloved. 💙

[warm python]

The music is nice when it plays and the VAing is good obviously considering the cast but it would've been nice to see more of that budget put towards the gameplay and the like

[thorn cypress]

Exactly this. I feel like that is why it comes to my mind when thinking about the budget. The soundtrack doesn't stand out to me most of the time because it just...isn't there lol

[dry swift]

I'm bored of talking about Palia. Let's talk about VA's and music instead lol

[thorn cypress]

I usually love both of those things!

[grave wharf]

Probably good to do that in #💬│off-topic-chat though.

This is afterall Palia discussion.

[cinder temple]

Ray Chase is Einar and Naio's VA and he is also a werewolf in a game called Wylde Flowers. I also have it on somewhat good authority that he is a chill dude.

[dry swift]

VA's really do seem to be living their best lives.

[warm python]

Ray Chase is an awesome guy

[dry swift]

Robert Paulsen seems like a very down to earth guy and even has a TED talk.

[solid trail]

hi all!

[warm python]

He was at a small convention I went to that wasn't managed well so there was still a lot of people left on the autograph line after his time ended, but he stayed for everyone anyway

[cinder temple]

A real one, for sure.

Or, perhaps, a reel one.

[warm python]

Him, Robbie Daymond, and Max Mittleman are absolute kings

[dry swift]

Maybe it's just because they do what they love that they're happy.

And it shows in how they treat other people as well, ya know?

[cinder temple]

When the question is 'Would you like to be the soup man?" and you're Robbie Daymond.

[lucid hornet]

Yeah thats true for a lot of people.

[placid haven]

I mean, at least that mount DOES something. Not that I'm going to spring for it right now, but I'll probably legit get it at some point since farming the gold needed for the 'free' in game one is never going to happen! lol

[dry swift]

Once Human had a loot box where the top prize is a skin for your car. Average cost to complete the loot crate? $400-600 USD.

[lucid hornet]

yeah, i guess 10 minutes of palia has been enough for today, what am i seeing

[dry swift]

LOL

[random compass]

yikes

[dry swift]

All I remember were the people that would spam emojis in global chat.

Poor guy. I hope he makes some friends.

[placid haven]

Lemme guess, NIgerian prince? lolol

[fiery perch]

Yeah im going to be trying to farm the gold if i can for the WoW tokens .. since it looks like it's limited time & is leaving in Jan lol

[dry swift]

Will the mount do my taxes?

[placid haven]

Yeah, I figure I can save up for it by then,and the 30th anniv collection, too. And I need me the Ibelin pet too. Ever since the documentary about Mats came out on Netflix everyone has been stopping by his memorial, horde and alliance alike and kneeling down in respect. Sometimes I want to yeet that player base into the sun, and other times I am proud to be a part of it.

[fiery perch]

Yep same. I want to get both. 💛

[placid haven]

I'm still trying to figure out how to deduct my cats as dependents on mine, lol

[nocturne sparrow]

IF you figure that out, lemme know. I have two RL cats and one PalCat in Palia. That would be 3 deductions which would be fantastic!

[placid haven]

I have like 2K pets in WoW, not counting the hunter pets. I'd never have to pay taxes again and I'd be swimming in the pool of bennies every refund! lol

[dry swift]

dang that's a lot of pets. I have a dog and an axolotl 😄

[placid haven]

I love me my battle pets

[dry swift]

I didn't know Michael Vick played WoW

[placid haven]

The fun part now is trying to come up with original names for them! lol

Ooooo, too soon, still too soon!

Plus I always name a battle pet and a hunter pet after all the cats I've had too. So they can stay with me in some way.

[dry swift]

That's so wholesome! I don't think I'd have the heart to do that. I used to name my battle buddies after pets on my old Dreamcast game but once they passed it felt a little too real.

[fiery perch]

you can look at the exact number (like unique pets) via dataforazeroth lol if youre interested in that kind of thing.
I have over 1k, and i still gotta go back in zones to capture some of the pets

[placid haven]

I use warcraftpets (dot) com

And I am missing SOOOOO many now, I really slacked the past couple of xpacs.

[fiery perch]

i cant remember if warcraftpets uses your armoury or not it's been a while since i looked there

[placid haven]

And I thought I had a decent amount of mounts (over 400) but then I did that mount mania stuff for the anniversary, and I am missing SOOOOOO many too! lol. Time to have no life again and farm all the things! lol

[dry swift]

Wow seems like the kind of game you could sink 20k hours into and still be missing something lol

OSRS definitely grindy, but you guys are on a different level

[hexed cloak]

I wish Palia grew to that scale eventually

[placid haven]

Well, in that defense, there is 20 years of content too. But yeah, especially when you take into account playing both 'sides' horde and alliance, too.

Years ago I used to be in a top ranked raiding guild when my server was a high population one. That was basically a second job. I don't really raid anymore and basically just go back and do the raids after a couple of xpacs have gone by so I can solo them

[placid haven]

It won't until they get their heads out of their backsides and I'm not sure they even want to at this point.

[hexed cloak]

Maybe Daybreak will give them a couple good slaps with a stick

[dry swift]

GW2 WvW felt very much the same way which is most of the reason I think I stopped playing. Game became less about playing builds you enjoyed in PvP and more about being a cog in a 50 man blob.

I can appreciate that 2/3 of the OSRS raids are soloable and the game is very solo-friendly for people like me that have other commitments outside of the game.

[placid haven]

I'm not a big pvper either. I basically do it once a year for Korrak's Revenge, lol My main is a lock and we are squishy and die easily.

I do miss the feeling of accomplishment on getting a difficult boss down the first time, though. But my work schedule just doesn't allow for raiding anymore.

[dry swift]

Same here. I mostly afk on a game during work then if I'm lucky I get 1-3 hours a night for content that requires actual focus. Wouldn't trade it for anything though 🙂

[modest merlin]

Do you think they forgot to take the flowers off here?

[hardy owl]

are fishing hotspots broken? the last 5 I have fished have given me the icon for reeling in, then just pulled rod in and caught nothing

[opaque orbit]

Is it safe to place crafters on builder blocks again? I'm not ready to play hide and seek with my preserve jars again

[lyric night]

they will jump off when placed on builder items that are placed in buildings (rooms, gazebo, sunroom etc.)

u won't have to search for them at all bcs they will land infront of ur plot now, but they won't stay

only when the builder item is placed on grass, then they should stay

but tbh would just not place any functional items on the builder items for now, less stressful

[opaque orbit]

mine were originally on builder blocks flooring ontop of grass but they went mia... guess it's time to demo my builder block shed

[wispy lance]

Yup they did. I saw them as well 🤣🤣🤣

[wispy lance]

Maybe you pulled to fast or to late?

[modest merlin]

The window to reel in in fishing spots is shorter than open water.

[wispy lance]

#💬│palia-general message think you can help shelby with some advice 💜

[polar elbow]

I actually want to bring up some of my thoughts on this bit tbh
A lot of people feel like any kind of "pay 2 win" whatsoever is the devil, but I would honestly still vastly prefer a "pay 2 win" game where the cash shop stuff is tradeable through a player market, so even f2p have a path to obtaining them- even if it means buying the item from the whale and giving them gold in the process
as opposed to a game with "no p2w whatsoever" but completely excluding f2p from ever being able to obtain those items in any capacity

At least the "pay2win" game in this scenario lets me earn cosmetics. Or mounts. Or whatever the cash shop stuff is

[marsh depot]

Yeah, I can see this tbh. I'd rather be able to have a chance of obtaining the cosmetics through grinding, makes it more rewarding. Similarly with League where you can either earn skins solely through grinding or by buying RP.

[polar elbow]

Yeah, I generally prefer to judge a game's "f2p-friendliness" based on how much is attainable by F2P, as opposed to "does it give paying players an advantage or not"
If the "no p2w" in palia comes at the cost of completely excluding f2p from being able to obtain or earn the majority of the content showcased in any given patch update, is that really any better?

[marsh depot]

Specially for a game that's still in beta (since a lot of people like to throw that line as an excuse for the game's shortcomings), the system is really predatory and alienating.
I wouldn't mind the cosmetic shop as much if it weren't for the prices. But the fact they're so reluctant to give us any form of free cosmetics is just greedy.

[fiery perch]

yeah and i think this is one of the reasons i dont mind as much with WoW. Since you can earn some actual bnet credit via gold on WoW itself. It takes a bit, but at least i can earn it myself by just playing.

[marsh depot]

Like you said, nowadays half of the content showcased in the patches is pretty much the cosmetics, when there's been so little actual game content in these last patches. Even Honkai releases content at a faster rate and despite being a gacha, I feel like you can easily just be completely f2p.

[marsh depot]

Same for osrs, since you can actually purchase the premium membership bonds with gold earned in game, just takes a long time.

[placid haven]

Exactly, and for those folks who are really good at playing the AH on high pop servers, they can earn enough gold to pay for their memberships with tokens. They just miss out on the mounts they give out for 'free' with paying subs, but still, there are plenty of free mounts and cosmetics to get throughout the game.

[polar elbow]

Especially when it means that f2p don't even get to enjoy the social aspects of once-per-year holidays like dressing up for halloween.
Would it have really hurt them to give out like a cute little spooky pumpkin mask or horned headband or something? Even the "pay 2 win" games I play still know the importance of throwing the f2p a bone for events like this.

[marsh depot]

Yeaaah this is something that's disappointed me greatly. They definitely could've given us some free cosmetics, heck, they could've given us those as drops on Twitch (like with the glasses) instead of what we actually got.
Not even Pocket Camp was so greedy and still gave us free content despite how much of a gacha it ended up being 🙃

[fiery perch]

im honestly so glad theyre re-releasing Animal Crossing Pocket camp for a lower price, to get everything

[solid trail]

yahoo im finally at just over 50% installed now for this game! i cant wait to play it!

[wispy lance]

While you still wait, you can think up fun name for your character.

You have IGN (in game name) that everyone will see and has to be unique.
And nickname - wat NPC's will call you in quests.

[solid trail]

ok will do thank you!

where would i put them? once i think of them i mean?

[cloud lodge]

If I want to Romance Elinar SHOULD I also pick him for my shepp or should I pick someone else? I was thinking Tish if I had to change

[marsh depot]

I had stopped playing the game last year but I'm still so torn seeing it go 🥹 ~~I even paid for the cheapest subscription for like a year or so 😭 ~~

[wispy lance]

Well once u start the game it will be on the main screen, it will show you.

[solid trail]

oh ok i see thank you

oh! i think i got my IGN idea

and i have a childhood nickname that i use still maybe i could use that for nickname?

[wispy lance]

You can have Einar as both.

You can also romance all of the available NPC'S for lore and quest items

[polar elbow]

I'm really glad you thought to clarify how names work in this game before they trip up another person into making choices they wind up regretting

but yes. @solid trail the short of it is, when the game asks for your "full name" it is asking what you want your username to be
you do not have to type in an actual full name, but this is what other people will see over your character's head. It's what all other players will know you as, and the name you choose must be unique.

The "nickname" is used in NPC dialogue exclusively, other players basically won't ever see this. It is, however, not unique, so you can use whatever you like for the nickname.

[cloud lodge]

I'm just unsure if it's the best option for gameplay. Story wise aswell. Also since you can't change Shepp

[wispy lance]

U could use wat ever you wish for nickname. I have IGN bliood kira and nickname just Kira.

[loud axle]

yeeeep I had to ask for a reset on mine.

[wispy lance]

Well unless you roleplay I personally don't think it matters 😅. Since shepp's don't do much rn at least.

[solid trail]

ok thank you

[cloud lodge]

Nah just curious if it would deeply change my gameplay but looks like not

[wispy lance]

I sometimes like to mention this to new players, since it's hard to change name in game.

[solid trail]

oh ok i see i was thinking for IGN Spooky Nikki (nikki is my childhood nickname) and then just nikki for the other?

unless thats taken?

[wispy lance]

Sounds nice 💜

[polar elbow]

My character's "full name" is... Anna.
My character's nickname is... also Anna.

Meanwhile Reth calls my character 'sweet tooth' and thanks to that he is my least favorite character
I should have never given him that book. >>

[flint igloo]

But he’s Reth. He’s harmless

[wispy lance]

You can play a bit with the i and y if it's taken.

Also at. Character creation keep in mind you can totally change clothes easily, no point spending hours there, and you can also change body appearance even gender once per week.

[solid trail]

ok! thank you

[wispy lance]

He will stop calling u that lol

[polar elbow]

so I've heard, but I can't be bothered tbh lol

[wispy lance]

Each with they're own 😉.

I personally love reth, though I wasn't quite happy with sweet tooth either. But still better than the other option lol

[polar elbow]

I honestly would have preferred the other option, lol

[wispy lance]

😄

Just remembered, fancy pants 🤣

[solid trail]

sweet! im now at just over 70% installed now!

[proper sphinx]

wish they added small notes with every hotfix. doesn't feel like they fixed anything xD

[loud axle]

Communication has never been S6's strongsuit.

[wispy lance]

They fixed the crafters that went missing on people's plots

[proper sphinx]

ah okok awesome ty <33

been looking all over for what they fixed today and couldn't find it xD

[wispy lance]

They didn't say it anywhere , that's wat I figured out because the missing crafters are back.

For the people that couldn't find them

[loud axle]

I don't think they fully fixed it from the sounds of it though, just that when they move they move to the front of your plot instead of some random spot

[wispy lance]

Well they got unglitched from underground.

Or air or where ever they got

It's supposed to go at entrance 😅

[solid trail]

brb dog walk time hopefully it continues the installing! see you soon guys

[wispy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/palia-tau-dog-bark-gif-11870911794040348924

[polar elbow]

yeah, I remember seeing that in one of the pre-beta official streams and being like "uuuuuh.... that's confusing lol"
thankfully I was able to ask around and figure that out before the beta launch so I could get the name I wanted, but I know most people don't care about naming things quite as much as I do >>

It's still baffling to me that even now, over a year later, we're still having this "full name" confusion because they're unwilling to just call it what it is, a username

[hardy owl]

@wispy lance I think I figured it out. it only happens when I try to use glow worms in the hotspots.

[wispy lance]

Hmmm... Where r u fishing ?

[solid trail]

back! and had to restart download but i know why now! bc i left the computer too long idle and it stopped it but i re started it and it start off at about 70% so hopefully not gonna be much longer now!

[river trench]

I'm doing Hekla's level 4 friendship quest ||and I just talked to Reth while I've got tears in my eyes about this whole thing, and not only did he say, "Let me guess: you were just DYING to see me," but he ALSO gave me the "I miss my parents every day, but I'm especially feeling it today" dialogue and it made me simultaneously laugh and cry||

[hardy owl]

@wispy lance It's happened on both sides of the map in various locations, but mostly in bahari along the shore

sorry I'm not keeping up with chat here. My nephew gave me his cold and I'm fair miserable atm. just puttering ingame between naps

[solid trail]

im off now night all!

gonna read some book(s)

[quartz orbit]

Question...does it even matter who you pick as a Shepp?

[calm gale]

No but your personality type does. After you pick your shepp there is an ||acceptance ceremony and you get a decor gift. Your personality type determines what the gift your receive looks like||

[fluid isle]

Anyone else walk out the inn and it's dark and foggy. This happens either in the evenings, mornings, or even during the day sometimes. It looks cool! Kinda spooky which I like but I'm curious if it happens to anyone else?

[torn stump]

hi, are there any official statements regarding the item limit of 3k items?

[fluid isle]

I chose Hassian. He was the first romance I pursued and one of my favorites. Idk he made it special and everyone of the NPCs were shocked. Which was funny and idk it made it special.

[runic eagle]

No news of another increase yet, but it used to be 1500 then they doubled it to 3000. Maybe after they resolve some issues with Switch crashes they will again 🤞

[wispy lance]

Haven't seen fog in kilima yet 💜, it's so pretty though

[stiff fractal]

YES! I find it to be kinda buggyish though, so wonder if it wasn't on purpose

[lucid hornet]

lightning/fog/... (the skybox) isn't supposed to change at the moment (only day and night) - so yeah its a bug.
but it seems like they try to add more than day/night cycle, there wouldn't be a lot of other reasons to touch the behavior, maybe optimization, but i kinda doubt there is much performance to save there.

[fluid isle]

I don't mind it. At night it's really pretty the sky seems darker so the stars pop more.

[dusk pelican]

What are the last couple starred bugs everyone is stuck on for the collect all achievement? Mine: starred rainbow butterfly and spotted mantis. They have been the bane of my existence personally... Lololol

[solid trail]

morning all!

[dry swift]

Rainbow butterfly isn't SO bad if you use a honey lure/buzzy jar at the top of the pavel mines cliff during its spawning time. Spotted mantis shouldn't be as hard to get as it is lol. I think I went through at least 8 lures for mine.

Personally I think they need to up the spawn rates on spotted mantis' and raspberry beetles.

[dense topaz]

Does anyone know if support for OS will release someday? I've been playing on switch since last december, But i would really like to play in my mac with the full resolution and amazing graphics that we dont get in switch...

[dusk pelican]

I have heard about this spawn point but I have yet to see one up there! It's usually the jewelwing and azures that sets off the jars up there for me.. I have been finding my rainbows right near the lake in front of Hodari's! Just no starred. Lolol I have gone through at least 15 lures for these last 2 damn bugs!! I agree.. increase the spawn rate! Haha

[dense topaz]

I got mine starred with lures underneath the bridge near the entrance of the mines.

Not the bridge that does to the other part of bahari

[dusk pelican]

The one up high that connects to the little cliff area with the statue and pillars?

[dense topaz]

Yah exactly

[dusk pelican]

Ok! Thanks for the tip. I'll scope that out next time

[dense topaz]

Just set up the lure right under (the first one took me a couple of lures)

[olive carbon]

Hey if you're tired of using lures (they're not cheap to make resource wise!) I have a little write up of the methods a lot of us have had more luck with:

RTB methods for those in need- spawn all over the fields and plateaus of bahari and only spawns between 3am-6pm unless it's in a grove. You'll need buzzy jars and to run around a lot, starting at pulse stables right before 3am and making a big old loop around towards hodaris, above the mines, then to hideaway, and maybe try to be the first at grove cuz there's a chance it spawns there even outside it's alloted time. They're pure white, if you see any blue it's a normal butterfly or a lunar moth- scare or catch em for more possible spawn spots to open up. Lures aren't very useful in my experience for epics unless you're very patient and have lots of gold. Helps to team up and be in a party so you can spread out a little and catch all the buzzy pings. Good luck!

[dense topaz]

Is there anywhere where you can leave suggestions for the devs of the game? I've been thinking and i think it would be just awsome, to have some kind of object on the home plot (like we have the boards), but that we could drop up to 5 bugs inside and the bugs that we put inside would start spawning in our homeplot... I feel like some "movement" in the plot would bring everything up a notch!

[olive carbon]

!feedback is what you're looking for- I always thought home plot bugs would be such a cool addition too! Needs some life added to it!

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[dense topaz]

Thanks im going to write up a suggestion eheh

[dry swift]

I think that's a great idea. Also a hatchery for fish would be cool as well or at least some way to change the pond so that you can have fish from different water types there.

[loud axle]

I don't suppose they ever made the pond an object you can move?

[dry swift]

Nah. Would be cool but I imagine it would be a coding nightmare.

[elfin abyss]

does anyone know if theres been any comment or something regarding hot pot & spam pot behaviours, from devs? Like re-evaluating how the game works because right now it seems like its really creating this wave of agressive players who take over tables for spam potting & expect everyone else to read their mind & know what their tables are for 😵‍💫
like, seeing players berate & attack others (especially newbies) over joining tables that they decided are for spam potting
even though if someone just joins the black market, they likely have no idea that table was even decided to be spam pot. i just watched a (newbie?) person get yelled at by some bossy player again, who was being a straight up bully, berating them and telling them to get off the table because its "theirs" when the newbie asked what spam pot means. then minutes later the same player goes on to boss another newbie around who joined the table obviously not being aware its for spam potting.
hot pot used to be one of my favourite things as i like mini games a lot, but its been such a downer when i go down there now because of how people treat others. And i feel so bad for the newbies or other folks who simply cant read minds that keep getting yelled at by these people over something so trivial 😭

[loud axle]

This is the type of stuff the CMs used to deal with before they were laid off.

Back in early tests there were similar issues happening between solo players who wanted to just farm rare nodes so they'd respawn elsewhere on the map and people who wanted to call them out and wait five minutes for people to make their way over. The CMs had to put out a statement telling people there is no rule that requires people to call out resources and that if people want to just take the resource that's their right to do so.

[marsh depot]

No, and I honestly don't expect to see any sort of response from them regarding this issue in the near future, unless they get a massive influx of reports, but who knows if they even look at those.

Even if they did, I'd think it would be in a similar vein to what Roan said, they're going to issue an statement in the lines of "there's no rule in how to play" and encourage players to report and block rude players.

[loud axle]

Spampot is unfortunately a symptom of poor design. When everyone gets the same reward and there's a ton of grind involved because of RNG there is little incentive to play it "correctly" as it's just another time sink.

There can be a participation prize, but there needs to be an incentive to win.

[marsh depot]

I don't mind spampot because I agree it's a result of the ridiculous RNG rates of the wheel. But I don't understand why so many players have become so entitled, even back during Maji market there was the issue with people complaining about players who deliberately took too long in between rounds, those who did dirty hands vs clean hands and such.

[elfin abyss]

Yeah i remember the node thing as well.
Tysm guys, im not on the discord much so i wante to kind of get a vibe check on the situation. i think ill just avoid going down there honestly its such a bummer 😔 I may go ahead and send in a proper report sometime just in case so they can evaluate it i suppose!

I do agree that i think the game may need a rework in terms of rewards and such, im not sure how else to "discourage" this behaviour really besides that :c

Yeah, i think doing spam pot is totally okay but i wish folks would just... party up? theres no need to antagonize other players over how YOU choose to play something 😵‍💫

[marsh depot]

Bottom line should be, if you like to play a certain way, you're free to do so as long as you're not forcing others to go along with your demands.
I almost wish we hadn't gotten hotpot in the black market because of the troubles it's brought.

[olive carbon]

give. us. homeplot. hotpot.

[marsh depot]

And same, I've only done spampot with friends, I only really play hotpot in a party anyways. No need to force others to go along with it.

[full swan]

This could be a silly idea but could there be a color code to each table that could be implemented? Idk that could be silly but also maybe expanding the market space. Sorry if those are silly thoughts

[loud axle]

I just think it's amusing that S6, in their battle against any kind of competition / negativity in the game, have ended up creating other forms of competition and negativity.

[olive carbon]

Wow silliness in our super serious discussions channel???? Not allowed. Banned! /jestering and jokering of course no silly thoughts here!

[elfin abyss]

youre good calli, good ideas! i think having a way to designate tables could make sense, but it probably would still be a bit of a bandaid solution :c if it was a response to this

[loud axle]

I appreciate the cosy, non-competitive vibes for most of the game but I feel like some competition is healthy - and a good outlet for people to get out some of that negativity.

[elfin abyss]

its unfortunate that iffy players can spoil things this way, i dont envy the team having to combat silly issues like this while working on other features
but i do hope that maybe at one point they can reevaluate how hot pot works to create a built in roundabout to discourage this 😭 tough

[marsh depot]

I just wish they'd just rework the wheel entirely, they've locked so many things behind RNG already.

[loud axle]

Yup. I really do feel like "everyone wins, but someone wins a bit more" is a good compromise that would help alleviate multiple issues - not only how spampot is almost encouraged, but also giving people some extra spins on the wheel so the RNG isn't quite as oppressive.

[elfin abyss]

thats fair too yeah :c

[marsh depot]

If everybody wins, then nobody does after all. Hotpot at the Lunar Market was way more rewarding.

[inland crescent]

Visiting other player home tours and crying inside because they're all beautiful and I don't have the energy to dedicate into making something equally beautiful

[marsh depot]

Exactly what I was thinking of! Lmao 🤣

[loud axle]

Yup! Did we learn nothing from The Incredibles!?

[marsh depot]

Apparently not considering we have outfits with capes

[marsh depot]

I definitely get the feeling, but don't worry! Just go at your own pace and make something you're happy with. Decorating is also a matter of practice after all, and you can always take inspiration from the home tours.

[inland crescent]

Yea 😅 I really just toss random items I like onto my home plot in random spots

[novel oasis]

Hi! Are devs aware of spampot? I wouldn’t mind it normally but people are taking over the pot tables and I got bullied twice for accidentally joining "spam tables"

[olive carbon]

!feedback I'm sure by now they are aware as it's been a very hot topic- here's the feedback and support links if you'd like to chime in to the team

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[loud axle]

We had a bit of a discussion about it if you scroll up a bit. Apparently it's becoming more and more of an issue. :/ Really unfortunate that people are getting mad at people for wanting to actually play the game.

[marsh depot]

No, and like we discussed we're doubtful they're going to address it, but best chance you have is reporting and blocking the players and sending a feedback form on their page in hopes more people are doing the same.

[novel oasis]

Thank you!

[past ingot]

Good afternoon everyone. I hope you all are having an amazing Wednesday. 💚 Who is excited for Halloween tomorrow!? You taking your littles trick or treating or are you passing out candy?! 🍭

[hexed cloak]

I'm excited to go trick or treating in Palia because it's not something that's celebrated in my country

[loud axle]

Trick or treating in Palia?

[hexed cloak]

It's a player-made idea
Fulfill request or give a tour of your plot

[loud axle]

Oh 😦

[scarlet hazel]

But you can already do that in game

[loud axle]

Sounds like a lot of the "community events" we've always done during tests because there's nothing actually in the game for it. Firework shows, home tours, taking pictures in bizarre spots

Was cute at first but got old pretty quickly.

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah there just isn't anything to do community wise or anything. I know some tired to do a sort of newsletter but that fell of really quick since there's nothing to talk about with palia at all

[fiery perch]

Oh, yeah that's a cute idea.
Just wish something like that was actually in the game.

Also hello, hope youre all well today

[loud axle]

"Breaking News! Still no new content. Back to you, Steve!"

[scarlet hazel]

Honestly if people end up getting bullied they could try to server hop. And the block feature exist too

[marsh depot]

Yeah, that would be my best advice to people too. Report and block, and server hop. Sadly there's no other way to go about it for the time being.

[scarlet hazel]

unless s6 listens to feedback and adds a homeplot hot pot for those that want to spampot or such, this is just gonna keep continuing

[dry swift]

S6 listening to feedback? 😮 When will this happen?

[scarlet hazel]

probably never. or they will and do the complete opposite of what everyone wants and just does what they want to

[loud axle]

Man I hate referral programs in games. So tired of people making brand new threads on forums and such dedicated to Palia just to share their codes. :S

Just gives me such an ick feeling. Referral programs should give the new players the rewards, not the people already playing.

"Hey come join me in this game and I can help you get started with some extra stuff from my referral code!"

[warm python]

FFXIV's is nice, it gives both people some stuff

[cinder raptor]

Came across this on their website from 2 years ago, things are makin’ a lot more sense now. They relied a little TOO much on this aspect

[rare pine]

That fell super flat because there are very few meaningful ways to play together. It's mor like parallel play than ACTUAL multiplayer.

[alpine cliff]

I understand the need for microtransactions, because they help fund the game, but it seems more effort is being put into paid content rather than gameplay aspects. I still love this game, I just wish there was less empohasis on things to "buy".

[loud axle]

It's funny, because there is literally no reason to build a community. Nor can you really, truly do that when the servers are capped at a measly 25 players.

[alpine cliff]

You can be a community! As long as that community is relatively small.

[dense topaz]

So don’t make a lot of friends

Or if you do, make sure they play at different times 😂😂😅😅

[loud axle]

But even then there is nothing to do together. :/

[alpine cliff]

Yes. Everyone needs to be in different time-zones as well. It's in the TOS.

[alpine cliff]

You don't enjoy cooking the same thing 50 times in a row?

[dense topaz]

Not really I hate cooking and gardening… never went to a cooking party in 1 year of game 😅

[loud axle]

Man silly me. I forgot just how much fun making the same dish over and over is (because there's no meaningful use for food either.)

Are Sernuk Noodles or whatever still the most "efficient" item or is there something else people mainly cook now?

[alpine cliff]

I don't cook enough to know xD

[dense topaz]

What do you mean!? You ou gain focus! So you can level up your skills faster. Why? I don’t know you don’t get a lot after level 10

[cinder raptor]

Yeah, no reason at all and they also went nowhere with the ‘community’ tab in game either.

[alpine cliff]

If they had community plots that allow people to build neighborhoods then I would agree about this being a "community" game.

[dense topaz]

Yah, I think back in the day that part of the default plot that is locked was rumoured to be like a community hub.

[cinder raptor]

THIS. There is NO incentive for any leveling after 10 🙃 Gimme something to work towards and earn, anything but a trophy

[loud axle]

Sobs in NDA

[dense topaz]

But that never happened… we just gain skins for the plot

And the default plot became the smallest one because all the other have areas around the plot… 🙂‍↔️

[cinder raptor]

We just get to peek through the crack in the wall of the hidden section and dream 🥲

[loud axle]

I love how in the early days they said the Focus system was going to be a "reward for having it that won't make you feel punished if it's not full" and then... tied it to EXP

[cinder raptor]

I literally never fill my focus bar ever. I hate cooking and I have no incentive to level any faster than I am 🤷🏼‍♀️

[dense topaz]

I don’t play with focus AT ALL can’t be bothered

The only food I eat is the one reth offers me 😂😂😂

[alpine cliff]

But you need to play the game and that's the game-play they want you to focus on. Mindless activities for no reward.

[loud axle]

I don't know if it's still a thing but everyone used to do "focus checks" all the time and I found it highly annoying 🤣

[cinder raptor]

I don’t think it’s a thing anymore, never seen it

[marsh depot]

It still sort of is I stopped bothering with focus after reaching 100 cooking levels

At least I've seen it in cooking parties

[dense topaz]

100???? Im at level 12 for the last year! 😂😂😂😂😂

[cinder raptor]

Level 100 is crazy

[marsh depot]

I'm at 380 currently, just by doing a lot of cake parties, still not as high as some people I've seen with over 700 cooking levels

[loud axle]

Yeah it used to be literally every minute or two you'd have someone in chat "FOCUS CHECK" so you'd realize you'd been doing stuff without focus, losing out on EXP, and then feel like crap 😄

Or at least that's how I felt because I'm such a min-maxer lol

[marsh depot]

I didn't really care much, I only eat when I remember, and mostly just for fishing since it's such a grind, yet I'm still only level 15 or so.

[dense topaz]

For fishing o went with blobbers and it’s done

And the hooks 🪝

[lucid hornet]

did they really give out full blown indefinite ndas? seems a bit overkill for a video game alpha

[marsh depot]

Fishing is just usually my least favorite skill in any game, I just use the buffs if I remember to and the hooks. Still managed to catch some of the hardest fishes without buffs.

[loud axle]

Yep. With no expiration date either.

Though they DID basically say when the game went live "we can't stop you, but we're still asking you to not talk about it" sooooo

[dense topaz]

Same same, I made the accomplishment and that’s done

[loud axle]

I just try to respect it as best I can but still... there's so much stuff I want to talk about. I definitely expect they don't want us talking about it because some of it would certainly raise some eyebrows.

[dense topaz]

But a NDA in relation to what?

[marsh depot]

I haven't even finished the accomplishment, I think if I had done all the achievements in the game already, I'd have stopped playing ages ago.

[lucid hornet]

Don’t even know what to say to that.
Just.. crazy.

[loud axle]

Pre-alpha / alpha tests

[dense topaz]

Yah that happened to me. 😅😅

And now I play like 5hrs in a full week.

Because there is nothing to do in the game.
I don’t understand why they stopped giving us game content like missions and story and lore, and characters. Instead of furniture and furniture and furniture

[marsh depot]

Yeaah I mostly stopped playing as much after I left the community I was in. Now I only log on if I sign up for a cooking party and tend my garden. Occasionally I get the itch to decorate but with the latest bugs I've also lost incentive to.

[dense topaz]

Never played with communities

[lucid hornet]

Because they need money and the furniture pretty sure was already finished more or less.

[dense topaz]

I get it. But at least they could give us all villagers level 5 romance and friendship

I mean it would be already a couple of missions…

But we got just a few level 5 missions 🙂‍↕️

[loud axle]

The response to that on Twitter was kind of... messed up honestly. The writer basically said "we want to give you level 5 quests but we need more people to get to level 5 with those villagers" and like. Really? You're holding out on content because people don't want to grind things they know are unfinished and have no resolution?

[dense topaz]

The last big update for me it was the one where they introduced the ammo pouch. From there… blah

[marsh depot]

I'd assume the layoffs haven't helped either.

[dense topaz]

Yah I saw that and thought exactly the same thing… why wait? There are different types of players… some like missions and are more driven by it, other like to roam around and do their thing

[lucid hornet]

well, we cant forget that they are working on a bigger content update with elderwoods.
Id guess after layoffs there is just no time/workforce to dripfeed us at the same time.

that elderwoods update & release has to be on point tho...

[marsh depot]

At this point though, I can't conceive them adding more villagers/missions without a few dozen bugs along the way.

[lyric night]

they also locked themselves into a high(er) quality production level for lvl 5 friendship quests, which doesn’t help either, they require a lot more work -> cost more money to produce

[dense topaz]

I can understand all of that I just think that should be their focus… but the premium store is getting very busy instead… 😅

[marsh depot]

Well, they have to pull the money from somewhere

[dense topaz]

And look I’m here for it as well, I paid for my outfit and pet because I wanted to support them

Buuuut that’s not the focus of the game. In my head if they expand gameplay, they can bring more players. More players can bring more people purchasing the premium store… snowball effect

Here they just give more options of purchase to the same public they already had.

[lucid hornet]

Well, we can't look inside, but its pretty easy.
If money in smaller than money out, they need to make more money.
So they gonna focus on selling anything with the last bit of "time" in development.

at the current state i don't even know if I'd want new players, with all of the bugs, performance issues especially on Switch... Its kinda hard to get back a player which leaves because the game simply didnt work for them.

Idk, the too early release just haunts them.

[marsh depot]

Sadly, like many people have said, they've trapped themselves in the current situation. There are still new players coming into the game, the issue is that there's also quite a few people abandoning the game because they're burned out.
And even then, a lot of people are beginning to question the pricing of the premium store, and there are also a lot of players outside of the US who simply cannot afford them.

[dense topaz]

Im a switch only player and yes… I close the game for big periods of time… cuz there is nothing to do

And lag and bugs…
The new one is the A button stop working…

[signal kayak]

also the fact that there is absolutely nothing for f2p players to look forward to as far as playing the game goes. there is nothing earnable for them. you want to have a pet? pay for it. you want to have a new landscape for your home plot? pay for it. want tool skins or cosmetics outside of the starting ones? pay for them. you can't earn anything in the game

[dense topaz]

Yah and this game was created with no risk of FOMO for any type of players…

[marsh depot]

And I'd honestly not want more content without them fixing the biggest ongoing issues first. These last 2 updates have been nothing but a sea of issues and hotfixes that only apply a bandaid on top.

[hollow crescent]

oh but we get a billion plushies no worries on that /jk

[scarlet hazel]

Ngl the way they keep going with the game, they're not going to keep getting money to make a decent profit

[lucid hornet]

one of the worst decisions ever.
not only does it influcence f2p players but also the ones who buy stuff.
i.E. the pets will never be any real feature if they aren't changing their mind on giving out free ones.

[marsh depot]

Which only creates more alienation and can lead to players simply leaving because there is no reward.

[scarlet hazel]

They're probably just bleeding money rn. Management refuses to listen and change so

[loud axle]

I gave them a year when they launched open beta and sure enough, the Daybreak acquisition happened about eight months later...

[marsh depot]

Palia Squismallows when?

[hollow crescent]

irl? i’d cry if i see one in stores xD but not gonna happen at all

[loud axle]

Elderwoods is truly going to be a make or break moment. It needs to be a MAJOR update with some huge overhauls and big content additions.

[signal kayak]

and it (seems) so easy to fix as well. want to add new pets to the shop? create a new little questline to introduce them with the basic of basic color schemes as the reward, charge premium shop for different colors. give us a reason to talk to the guild leaders after we've done everything and bought items from them by selling their respective items to them for half the normal price buy instead of gold, we get the palia coins to go towards the premium shop, might encourage people to open their wallets a bit wider when they are half way to the purchase price of the outfit they want

[hollow crescent]

i’m still hoping that elderwoods turns things around, big update things can happen sure but just to give ppl things to do and look forward to the future of the game

[marsh depot]

It would have been such a given for them to sell plushies/collectibles with how many we have in game. But yeah, I doubt we'll ever see any at this point.

[rare pine]

If Elderwood doesn't absolutely slap, this game is not gonna last.

It's the last bastion of hope for A LOT of players

[dense topaz]

I know it’s mine! 😅

[loud axle]

The problem even with Elderwoods "coming" though... how long are people willing to wait? Because they only "estimated" early 2025... and that's still several months away.

[hollow crescent]

i’ll prob be around but it’ll be like past mmos i played and kinda neglected, i’d log on now and then to see what’s up

[loud axle]

It could very well still be another six months of nothing.