🌱│gardening

[hexed pasture]

That was a really useful link but I wish I could like transplant the knowledge of how to make these layouts into my head 😂

[sly skiff]

No but i get you, I'm so bad at understanding these layouts and how to make them ahdhhshs i just went with lines

A B C
I I I

A is bokchoy

B is cotton

And c is more bokchoy

[molten mirage]

guys , how can i get non stared corps ? i use non stared seeds , i don't use fertilizers but still the result is stared crop ???

i tried many things but no use

[clear kindle]

let me guess? garden level is over (or near) 38, right? if it is, you won't get any non-star crops anymore

[molten mirage]

Level 43 yes 🥲 , thanks for the answer

[neat vortex]

and @hexed pasture The guide to gardening linked in the pins has a lot of good info, if you haven't seen it yet!

But really I learned a lot by studying others' layouts and a lot of hours playing around with the planner. But for the most part, I end up more likely to recommend layouts made by others, especially now that it's become more important to include 2x2 crops in layouts

I don't really have the knack for them yet, lol

[wanton glacier]

Hi, does anyone know a good layout with both pumpkins and apples in it?

[neat vortex]

how seasonal!

There are lots of these - can you say more about what you want your garden to do for you?

[halcyon lynx]

I had a great one for 5 crops but now that I don't need quality increase & want the crops with more slots my brain hurts

And then I had this one optimized for apples (only two crops aren't watered in this one) but again at my level I don't think I need quality increase anymore 😭

[opaque cradle]

hi! trying to set up a lazy farm layout (mainly trying to get 100% water retain) & these crops (apples, blueberries, beans, tomatoes). Anyone got an idea on how to optimize it?

[clear kindle]

you can swap out the cabbage for tomatoes, and swap the blueberries for beans if needed (i run this layout with two blueberries and two beans) i only ever harvest the beans and apples (beans to seed and apples to jam) and leave everything else in the ground to maintain the buffs

[halcyon lynx]

Since you didn't mention bok choy or onions I removed them. This should water every tile.

This would it be full of tomatoes and potatoes.

one more because I misclicked and the last one wasn't symmetrical.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-TPTPTTAAA-TPTPTPTPT-TPTTTPAAA-AAAAAATPT-PTPTPTPTP-AAAAAATPT-BtBtBBtBtBTPT-BTBBPBPTP-BBtBtBBtBtTPT

[ivory pond]

This forever

[wanton glacier]

that's actually the only requirement for me (to have apples and pumpkins). I used to do one with 5 apple trees, rice, wheat, potatoes and tomatoes. Which is less work

[narrow steeple]

Is blueberries and apples seeds can only be bought with guild coins if you don't have the seeds?

[floral talon]

effectively u can also get some random apples/blueberrys from zeki coins and rummage piels but thats way to unreliable

[narrow steeple]

thank you

[neat vortex]

You also get them at level 9 and 10

[opaque cradle]

ooh thank you! you can leave them in fully grown and they will keep the buff?

[opaque cradle]

thank you!! This screenshot is super helpful I added the bok choy/onions for extra lazy weed prevention but i suppose i can fill the gaps on the image with those

[halcyon lynx]

You didn't mention bok choy so I wasn't sure what your ultimate goal was, so I left the spots empty for you 🙂 I hope it works well for you!

[halcyon lynx]

They don't need to be fully grown. So long as they're planted they give the buff, so if you wanted you could skip harvesting or watering them 🙂

[tall tundra]

hi!! can anyone help me with fertiliser - if i just plant my pumpkin seeds now, do i need to use the speedygro fertiliser the day before harvest or literally anytime throughout growth?

[floral talon]

the second time it procs it gives one extra growthstage or something but dont bother to much with speedygrow its kinda bugged and expensive cuz medals ar elimited

[opaque cradle]

ohh i didn't know that, thank you!

[tall tundra]

okay gotcha. i'm trying to hoard pumpkins to make preserves. what's the best one to use, harvest boost?

[neat vortex]

To make preserves? To sell, or something else?

[tall tundra]

i'm making preserves to sell because they make the most money out of seeds/preserves but i feel like im spending days just waiting on the pumpkins growing lol

[neat vortex]

Yes, unfortunately, because of their long grow time, relatively large footprint, and small harvest amounts even with harvest boost, pumpkins are the crop with the lowest revenue per tile per growth tick

[fading kiln]

hey everyone! this has probably been asked already at least once hehe but i couldnt find anything. my question is how to level up gardening fast? i really want the well for my farm/ranch build but its taking forever so if someone has a solution or some tips it would be very much appreciated!

[urban turtle]

Depends on how active you wanna be with your farm or what you need, like watering or weeding, bc every crop gives the same xp pretty much

The xp you get from each crop is based on how long it takes to grow so there isn't really a best crop for xp

So just set up whatever 3x3 farm you want and it shouldn't take too long to get to lvl 10

[neat vortex]

More tips here: #🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

As Beep said, all crops give the same exp (4 exp per tile per day, split across its harvests equally if it regrows)
This means that there are only limited ways to increase the exp you get

• Get all your soil crops asap (the more tiles you have with crops growing, the more exp you get)
• Make sure the garden is always watered/weeded so that it keeps growing - you can make setups that do this for you to make it easier
• The more you log in, the more growth ticks your crops get (they grow at 6am Palian time if you were online in the past hour, so logging in for 5 mins to sort your garden when you can, once per hour really helps with gardening exp)
• Level up focus boost asap (more exp per action)

And Ren's probably made this post irrelevant haha 😄

[neat vortex]

yeah but you said it more succinctly XD

[fading kiln]

oh im level 30 but i need more tokens to buy the well and thought there could be some trick to it but i see, ill just have to do that then

[fading kiln]

ive done all of this/doing but thank u anyway, like i said thought there could be some trick to it like how it is for ranching for example but thank u!

[neat vortex]

Nope, just consistency, I'm afraid :)

[fading kiln]

yea and patience lol. one more question tho, the post u linked said smth that made me think of the palia garden planner website and that it has different plots for different goals, do u know if there is one for xp farming? where like the crops are more independent for example?

[urban turtle]

There's definitely a bunch of farm layouts for being always watered and protected if thats what you mean, and then you could also try to use plants that can be harvested multiple times so there's less planting

[fading kiln]

yea i found a tool to generate a layout:D and ill def do crops that can be harvested multiple times, didnt think of that! thank u for all ur help guys:) i will have my well soon haha

[urban turtle]

Ofc anytime 🙏

[neat vortex]

If it's the Paliapedia Garden Generator, I wouldn't necessarily trust its results. It's based on inaccurate information for pumpkins, and it also just makes... weird... layouts

[fading kiln]

oh damn yea it is.. i put in water retain and weed prevention as priorities and it generated one with pretty high percentages on both but if its inaccurate do u have another website in mind that can do similar but better i guess or should i just test my way forward?

[neat vortex]

There are several layouts that have been shared in the channel with 4, 5, and 6 apple trees, if that sounds useful?

[fading kiln]

oh apples are always good and needed so yea definitely

[neat vortex]

Here's the layout my level-chaser friend uses:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-AAAAAAAAA-BkPTOTOTPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPTOTOTPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPTOTOTPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPTOTOTPBk-AAAAAAAAA

This assumes that you don't care about harvest boost (since that doesn't affect XP).

If you want the harvests to sync up more, you could use napa cabbage (6 days) instead of potatoes (5 days), and carrots (3 days) instead of onions (4 days). I use potatoes because they are a cash crop, and onions because they are used consistently for cooking.

The tomatoes in the centers of the water/weed modules could also be corn (5 days) instead for more harvest boost; they are only tomatoes because they are multi-harvest. (Or could be rice or wheat instead, whatever you want)

If you care about apple yield, you would need to boost it with HB fertilizer.

Here is the 4-apple Diamond Layout, a popular choice for balancing lower labor with profit:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkWTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkW.HTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTWBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTW.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTWBkP.HBkWTO.H

And here is a 6-apple one from DuhScape:
#🌱│gardening message

I would sub in tomatoes for the cabbage (DS uses those as an easier-to-see placeholder)

[fading kiln]

oh wow thank u so much! i will definitely have a look at this tomorrow since its sleep time here but again thank u so much for the help! this community is truly amazing and i really appreciate the help<3<3

[halcyon lynx]

yeah the generator I used once but i don't trust the math

[neat vortex]

It assumes that pumpkins yield 6 or 9 pumpkins per harvest

...which would be amazing, but isn't what occurs, sadly 😂

[halcyon lynx]

Also when I set it to prioritize watering it didn't give me 100% watered

[neat vortex]

Yyyyyeah it's not very good at full coverage

Sometimes in ways that are really silly if you just LOOK at them

like why are there three potatoes in a row there, that's not gonna work...

[mint sandal]

It doesn't even use all the crops you pick. I remember trying it out before I discovered the garden planner and it was always missing 1 or 2 crops from what I'd selected when it generated a layout

[ivory pond]

I once tried to ask gpt to generate a layout for me (before I got one from this channel). I do not recommend this xd

[plush hawk]

Why are rose bushes so TINY! 😭

[cobalt knoll]

Does anyone have any layouts for all crops excluding large plants?

[mint sandal]

You mean without bushes and apple tree?

[cobalt knoll]

Correct, only one slot crops.

[mint sandal]

You can look up the bullseye, pretty sure you can fit all 1 tile crops in there if you do some swaps for same companion buffs

[blazing jackal]

is gardening broken for anybody else??? i can’t place anything

[cobalt knoll]

I've just noticed my fertilizer is being weird and certain squares aren't using the fertilizer and are staying endless maxed, and then others can't be maxed out no matter how many fertilizer I put down.

[clear kindle]

not sure about the ones that can't be maxed out no matter how many fert you place, but those that don't use the fertilizers make sure that the crop next to the ones that have the fert are not sharing the same buff (i.e. if you have a tomato plant that has harvest boost fertilizer on it, but it's next to a rice plant that gives the harvest boost) the crop buff will take priority over the fertilizer

[neat vortex]

You're not the only person who has had trouble with this.

Here are a few troubleshooting steps to try, if you haven't already:

• make sure the tile is completely tilled (though it should give you a clear error if this is the case)
• make sure you actually have a seed selected in your action bar and not a crop <_<;; (this one still happens to me sometimes lol)
• if you have a tool in your hand, try putting it away first
• Try, in escalating order: using the unstuck command, opening the premium store, changing servers, rezoning, logging out and back in

And if none of that works, or if you get all the way to the last set of things before something works, then it sounds like a bug to me and you might want to reach out to Support.

And please report back with your results, if you don't mind! It would help us help others :)

[grand grotto]

Can someone give me their best garden layout with blueberries AND apples planted?

[clear kindle]

i run this layout, though i've switched two blues for beans (give the same buff). i also only ever harvest the apples (jam) and the two beans (seed) everything else stays in the ground to provide buffs. can just set it and forget it right from the start as the star crops (beans, blues and apples) are completely covered

[grand grotto]

I'll try that one, as long as the apples stay watered I'm happy lmao, I always forget to water them the next day lol

[clear kindle]

yeah, the apples and blueberries (beans) are covered for weed/water and harvest boost. the rest of the layout... not so much. but this layout was also designed to be (originally) for cake parties (as the blueberries are needed to start the recipe and the apples provide the best amount of money for the cakes) so it wasn't intended for everything to be tended to. if you want the aesthetic of the grown crops, you will need to water the bok choy and onions, and pull the weeds from the water retain plants until they are done growing, then you can just ignore the weeds that pop up on them

[neat vortex]

If it turns out you prefer fewer apple trees, let us know - there are a BUNCH of different layouts for that parameter

[grand grotto]

I'll accept all layouts lol, I'm new so I just wanna try new things and see what I prefer

[neat vortex]

Here is a list of "everything" layouts that Cysruleon pulled together.
An everything garden by definition will have at least one apple and blueberry plant in them.

You can swap out crops for their same-buff synonyms to skew toward solo processing or cooking party needs; actual everything gardens are harder to optimize.

#🌱│gardening message

And here's a list of layouts created by Astrea Moreno, including multiple everything gardens - lots of variety here:
#🌱│gardening message

Are you planning on hosting cake parties, or just working on accomplishments/other checklists?

[grand grotto]

Mostly make money to build a better house 😂

[neat vortex]

Ah... well, in that case, don't plant blueberries lol

They're one of the least-efficient crops for generating revenue via solo processing; they're really only good for money if (as mentioned) you're hosting cake parties/regularly signing up as starter at others' parties.

[grand grotto]

Ah ok, what would I use instead of blueberries?

[neat vortex]

Give me... 10 minutes and I can get back into this discussion, gotta take care of something rq :D

[grand grotto]

Alright

[ivory pond]

Can I interest you in 12 bean bushes /jk

[neat vortex]

Okay, back.

So, for solo processing (that is, taking your crops and making them into seeds or preserves before selling them), the top cash crops by gold per tile per growth tick are:

• bok choy (as seeds)
• potatoes (as seeds)
• rice (as seeds)
• tomatoes (as preserves)

Beans and apples are middle of the road, so they're good if you want your garden to be mostly multi-harvest stuff, at cost of some gold generation power. The other multi-tile, multi-harvest crops are purely utility crops for cooking.

I personally grow apples and beans in my own gardens, because sometimes it's nice not to have to replant everything to keep the money coming in xD

Here are some numbers if you're curious:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1n9ehqr/seeds_vs_preserves_which_crops_are_the_most/ (does not include replanting cost, but very readable - the main difference is that apples move down a few tiers as they are expensive to make seeds for)

And the big one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569
(does include replanting cost and also includes examples of cooking parties for profit (some more effective than others), but not mobile friendly, alas)

[neat vortex]

whoops, forgot to ping :) See above!

So, what you choose is ultimately going to come down to your playstyle, needs, and preferences

[ivory pond]

Btw I assume the new spreadsheet has the updated bean values and I forgot the old ones (didn't play palia for a while, missed the patch when they nerfed it). By how much did the value drop?

[neat vortex]

Oh lord

Um. Beans used to beat bok choy soundly

[ivory pond]

Ya I remember the bean craze

[neat vortex]

And also generated 50g per hour without stalling for 62 hours straight lol

But yes, both of the things I linked have the current bean values

[ivory pond]

hmmmmm contemplating somehow putting more bok choy in my layout

[neat vortex]

The raw value of the beans got nudged up a little bit, but the per-bean value of the seeds got halved

[ivory pond]

A

Why u do dis to burgir

[neat vortex]

Hm?

[ivory pond]

I assume that burger value is much worse too then imma google

[neat vortex]

No, burgers went up a little

Because of the raw bean value (on which the dish sell value is based) increasing slightly

[ivory pond]

Wait it's not cuz it's raw nvm

[neat vortex]

Also the seeds are worth the same as they were before; they just take two beans now to make instead of one

[ivory pond]

Hmmmmm

[neat vortex]

23g -> 90g for seeds was WILD, even if it did take 2 hours

I still don't fully understand the burger craze, but as long as people are having fun and I have somewhere to dump my excess wheat/milk/tomatoes XD

and beans, because I'm growing those now

tbh I should probably quit with that, because beans for burgers is a worse deal than apple fruit froster

[ivory pond]

I need afk boy choy xd

[neat vortex]

I think Cysruleon has a mostly-afk bok choy focused layout

[neat vortex]

Found it: #🌱│gardening message

24 tiles of bok choy is... a lot of damn bok choy lol

I still favor the Bullseye
#🌱│gardening message

[ivory pond]

Yeah but I need to figure out how to fit that into the diamond apples xd I'd like to keep apples and 2 2x2 for whatever I need

[neat vortex]

Do you still need 4 apple trees?

[ivory pond]

Apples forever

Time to mess around the planner

[neat vortex]

Check out some of those Everything Gardens I linked above for ideas, as well

But once your apple count goes up it gets harder to also have bushes and still have reasonable amounts of single-tile crops

(and have it stay AFK)

idk if sylvablade's layouts will do what you want? you can reduce the number of bushes
#🌱│gardening message

[ivory pond]

The first one is the one I use, I just swap companion crops

But trying to go above 8 bok choy while keeping all boosts seems tough, in place of 2 bean bushes

Idk if it's worth that idk extra 2 bok choys

[clear kindle]

i will say this about the first layout and the way that i run my crafters. i run 2 beans instead of blueberries, i have 2 seeders, one for apples and the other for the 18 beans that i get per harvest. i have 8 preserve jars for apple jams. i usually don't empty my crafters until the preserve jars are full which is usually every 2-3 days or so. i usually get for everything around 77-78k depending on how many bean seeds are in the seeder.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, 31k per RL day sounds about right

How many growth ticks per day is that?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, 8 is already pretty impressive, considering the original diamond only has 10

[ivory pond]

Guess 8 bok choy remain

They should just give us 9 more soils

[sly skiff]

got distracted and forgot to water my crops and it was nearly 6am in game. I finished watering everything at 5:55am 🤣 living life on the edge

[clear kindle]

depends on my mood, really. some days (my day off and i'm doing diamond art) i can leave my switch on and get about 8-10 hours, recently though other games (ark survival ascended mostly) have been taking up my time to be on palia (also kinda going back to the "bored, when will the game get somewhat good again? stage)

i mean, outside of going to work i'm a recluse at heart

[sly skiff]

question! and please ping if you respond as I'm off to bed and I have adhd and I'll forget to check the answers later.

Going by the rule of single tile crops are better than multitile ones: using cotton is better than using spicy peppers no?

[slow flame]

Hey!
Where can I find these planters or plant holders, and are there specific types of flowers that work best in them?

[neat vortex]

Yes... sort of. (And that's not a hard-and-fast rule, anyway — more of a coincidental pattern. Cabbage ranks below batterfly beans and apples, for example.)

Buff-wise, by the time you hit level 8 or 10, you gain more benefit (in terms of gold generation) from a harvest boost crop than you do from a quality boost crop: at that point your base star chance + the buff from starred seeds is 66 or 70%, so quality up doesn't increase the amount of starred crops by as much as it did at very very early levels.

If it's fabric you're after, you actually "grow" more fabric per tile per growth tick by growing the top couple cash crops and process + selling them to buy fabric than you do by growing actual cotton and looming it.

So, cotton isn't really recommended as a cash crop, a buff crop, OR a utility crop except below level 8, ish.

However, some people do choose to continue growing it up to level 25: that is when the last dregs of the QU buff's benefit drop off entirely and you only get starred crops if you plant starred seeds. There is an argument to be made about when you need to consistently generate starred crops as quickly as possible for cooking parties (which typically require starred produce). However, my approach to this is to NOT use your precious tile-ticks on a buff with greatly diminished returns, and instead get your QU buff from fertilizer!

...spicy peppers, meanwhile, DO have a lot of applications in cooking. A LOT of recipes use them, and, like fruit, you can't buy them from the farm stand if you need some quickly. The tradeoff is that then you have to somehow fit a deadweight 2x2 crop into your layout: it effectively doesn't buff its neighbors at all past a certain point. If you want harvest boost on the surrounding crops like you would have had with beans or blueberries, you'd need to fill it in with HB fertilizer. (A minor annoyance, mainly.)

[neat vortex]

These are the Greenhome planter set! The recipes drop from the hourly forage bloom event in Kilima: each flower/forage you pick up from the event spawns has a (rather small) chance to grant you one of the recipes. For flowers to put in them, I will direct you to #🏡│decor :)

[slow flame]

Thank you.

[blazing jackal]

I was on my steam deck. Tried restarting & my plots were all tilled. Couldn’t pick any of them up because of them being tilled. I went to my PC & that ended fixing it for me! even when i went back to my steam deck, it worked on there again, so really i have no clue what was going on.

[neat vortex]

Oh, wacky!

[glass pivot]

Newbie question here. Is it worth upgrading the gardening hoe once i already unlocked all 9 farm plots and tilled them?

[supple stone]

Yes, you will need to re-till every 2 irl days after harvesting what's on the tile

[glass pivot]

Thank you

[supple stone]

And it is far easier with a better hoe 🙂
Especially when there is a lot to till

[atomic merlin]

Hi guys I’m bored does anyone want me to water and till their gardens? lol (/srs)

[mystic skiff]

I hadn't played in ages and searching isn't helping. What's the next best crop for cash after bokchoy? I don't remember much or know how the crops are doing nowadays.

Something that is nice for me to quickly log in a few times a day, that doesn't need too much replanting?

[supple stone]

Potatoes, seeded. They last 5 days before needing replanting. So a bit better than Bok Choy's 3 days.
You do need harvest boost buff on the crops to maximise revenue though.

If you want less replanting, Tomatoes only need replanting every 10 days and are still in the top 5 crops for revenue (preserved, not seeded).
And Beans is the highest revenue multi-tile crop, but lasts 12 days. Apples aren't far behind Beans, last 30 days.

[mystic skiff]

Thanks I'll try more potatoes. As I already have some tomatoes for wTer boost & I have a ton of harvest boost leftover I hadn't used up.

Beans process much faster now that they use up 2 beans right?

[craggy portal]

just bought the well with points and its dry

[floral talon]

u have to run into it then u can refil the watercan

[supple stone]

Yes, the timer was reduced as well too, so seeding Beans is significantly faster than it used to be.

[supple stone]

The fact it has the ground texture inside does really bug me tbh
But at least it is functional

[slow flame]

Hey folks. I'm just starting out and I'm confused about gardening. I'm trying to find a few easy to follow layouts, that are varied enough for what seeds I have to use currently. I found some documents but they are a bit overwhelming, and I can't understand why I'd pick one of the layouts in it over the other. Does anyone have a small collection of layouts in hand to point me to? Preferably with easy explanations about them. Thank you

[grand grotto]

I need that wooden box wall planter thingy asap lol, how do you get it?

[sly skiff]

I also don't know a lot, but I think it would help narrow things down if you mention a bit of what you want and don't want, if that makes sense.

for example, do you find watering your plots a bit of a bother and would rather the plants retain water so you don't need to water it as often?

or do you prioritize making money off the crops? or wanna use them for recipes, gifting, etc?

[slow flame]

You're right. Well, I don't mind it at all if I have to water or weed my plants, although the convenience certainly would be nice.

I think I'd need only two layouts? One for profit and one for every kind of crop at once, so I can exchange between them when I want to grow stuff to cook

[supple stone]

Ren has a post with links to min-maxed layouts as well as some other tips. If you want a fairly easy layout, the Bullseye is a good one imo
#🌱│gardening message
(Also, you can grow any missing single-tile crop in Bullseye layout by swapping it out for something with the same buff btw, and there is a variation for adding 2x2s in the corners of the rice/wheat circle...just no scope for an apple tree)

For one of everything, Astrea has an everything garden compilation: #🌱│gardening message)

[slow flame]

Thank you, you're a life saver. I'll check these out. Do you have a recommendation for the everything layouts also?

[supple stone]

The one with 15 fertiliser, I always like less fertiliser haha

[slow flame]

Thank you! And last clarification. I understood your first comment about the Bullseye layout: If I'm missing a specific seed, I can replace it with any other that has the same type of boost, as long as it's single tile.

I didn't understand the part about the 2x2 variation though

[supple stone]

I didn't elaborate in case you decided you wanted a different layout, but this concept #🌱│gardening message

Blueberries directly sub out for Beans, Spicy Pepper/Pumpkins would need some HB fertiliser in the 5 corner tiles around them (1 already needs it, so 4 additional fert)

And that bottom left corner can have another 2x2 as well, think they initially left it blank as they either only had the seeds for 3 beans or felt they didn't need 4 bean crops. Can't remember now

[hardy perch]

Hey there, i`m new to gardening and was wondering if i should always use star seeds, do they give more crops or beter crops?

[slow flame]

Ah, interesting. And this 2x2 variation is for more profit? So when it's available does it straight surpass the regular bullseye?

[supple stone]

No, less profit actually. But you said you would want to grow other crops sometimes to restock. The 2x2 alteration just allows you to use mostly the same layout but also covering 2x2 crops easily when needed

[supple stone]

Yeah, always use star seeds when you can. Additional chance to get starred produce (25% extra chance), which means more to turn into star seeds and complete the cycle, but also more profit 🙂

[hardy perch]

i`m in need of more gold and was wondering if the apple was the best option to sell as jams

[slow flame]

Ah, understood. That should be everything I needed. Thank you!

[hardy perch]

thanks! is there any definitive gold earning guild using gardening?

[supple stone]

In general, you are far better off taking the produce to a cooking party if you have the time and inclination (they're not for me haha)
Otherwise, check out the same link that I gave Chrono - #🌱│gardening message
Ren's post is very useful!

[hardy perch]

thanks so much, i`ll check it rigth now

[urban turtle]

Do harvest boost crops and fertilizer stack?

[supple stone]

No. If you put HB fert on a crop that has HB from an adjacent crop, the fertiliser just sits there and is never used.
However you get HB buff, it's 50% extra yield
You need it present the whole time to guarantee that though - if a crop takes 4 days to grow, and you have HB buff on it for 3 days, only 75% chance of the extra yield. You either get the extra 50% or you don't.

[urban turtle]

Oh so ive just been wasting my fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Fun fact, you can plunk an apple tree into the center of the Bullseye and it will water/weed buff it :D just no HB

and you can't do that and 2x2s at the same time without significant mods

[supple stone]

But HB is the one I'd want!

I guess you could make changes to get weed block the buff the tree doesn't get, but would take a chunk of change

[neat vortex]

Yeah, exactly, and it would basically turn into the cross layout at that point lol

[true phoenix]

Are there any layouts for beans?

[neat vortex]

Oh, so many :)
To help narrow it down, how many bean plants at once (or how many beans per growth tick)? And what other crops do you want? Any other requirements?

[neat vortex]

(whispers) fertilizer ✨

XD

(kidding, I know you avoid it)

[neat vortex]

The fertilizer is still there in the soil, at least, so it's there if you need it :) You can retrieve it by putting another type of fertilizer on that tile and it all should come right back out. I actually store weedblock and water retain fertilizer IN my garden that way XD

[supple stone]

I don't entirely avoid it, but do like to avoid fertiliser on multi tile crops especially

[true phoenix]

as many as possible, maybe some plants with water retain and harvest boost. im trying to prepare for a burger party so need to get as many beans as possible... if there are any layouts for it ofc...

[neat vortex]

One bean plant produces approximately 3 beans per growth tick (average), or a maximum of 3 beans per plant per hour over the 12 growth tick lifespan of the plant

We actually just had an adventure of trying to come up with a few different beans-heavy layouts - start here and read down for a few options: #🌱│gardening message

and if you really, really end up in a pinch, you CAN buy unstarred beans from the farm stand cash register

oop, forgot to ping @true phoenix

[true phoenix]

Ty so much ❤️

[floral talon]

after all this time it finally happened to me i witnessed the fert vanishing

[neat vortex]

Any thoughts?

[slow flame]

Hello guys!

[floral talon]

ok so i had 5 trees without fert and 1 with 9 fert
i topped em all up alot the one with 9 i misclicked and filled it to 99
the others to varying amounts but not 99

i leave plot to get zeki coin i return the one wiht 99 who started with 9 is 0 fert

mh so it could be that topping stuff to max might be the problem

this would explain why poeple usually dont run into it as they wont have enuff fert ot top stuf up

[slow flame]

With this new update that dropped. Any new profit layouts or crops?

[floral talon]

no cuz it didnt change gardening

[slow flame]

🥲 oh…

[floral talon]

but we do have an entire new skill YEY

[slow flame]

How profitable is ranching?

Also. I had scrolled up.

[floral talon]

its very expernsive at hte beginning

but later on it might provide a few thousand per day

mh by observing my fert vanishing we might be able to come up with reproduction steps

[slow flame]

I’m just now coming back to the game after a break. But I noticed I had wet on my hiatus and came back to barely and money. Do we have any profit gardens that are low maintenance?

I had found this one from scrolling up.

[neat vortex]

This is fascinating because I have 4 trees across 2 characters that I fill to 99 consistently... ...but they're not cross-plot

[neat vortex]

We don't know yet (so far doesn't seem like very), but #🐔│ranching will know more

[neat vortex]

Please define "low maintenance" - what parts of the maintenance do you most want to avoid, and how much profit are you willing to sacrifice for convenience?

[slow flame]

Basically not having to use fertilizer. If I can grow a whole garden and only harvest certain plants for profit would be ideal. Basically as long as the main crops have full weed and water

[supple stone]

Actually, talking about buggy gardens, my garden has been acting up the last couple days actually, with no obvious cause. Random tiles which haven't been water retained (despite the buff still being there). Has happened with both WR from adjacent crops and fert.

Sounds like you want Sylva's afk layouts, one sec

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Top link in this post is probably most useful to you

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that one with beans is what I'd recommend in that case

[slow flame]

That one with beans? The one with blueberries and apples? But sub the blueberries for beans?

[floral talon]

i was so busy i forgot to help nyxta
nyxta u good now?

[slow flame]

I think so! 🙂 you guys are the sweetest. I think Ren is making a reply

[supple stone]

RIP message

[neat vortex]

Low-Replant AFK Garden by Sylvablade

(crop tweaks by Ren)

• ALL FERTILIZER OPTIONAL: sylvablade designed this as a low-maintenance or "lazy" layout, with full AFK buffs on only trees and bushes. The rest of the crops are never (or rarely) replanted. Fertilizer is only there to clarify the buff gaps.

Layout has only 8 unweeded tiles, protecting it from 9-weed crop regression.

• Tomatoes are also multi-harvest, if you want to pick them. Weedblock fertilizer optional, but helpful.
• As always, crops may be substituted for their same-buff/footprint synonyms if you need crops for cooking, etc.

EXPECTED ACTUAL REVENUE

Only apples and beans: 2,476g per growth tick
Apples, beans, and tomatoes: 2,712g per growth tick
(after processing)

• For additional revenue, prioritize replanting (in order) bok choy first, then potatoes, rice, and onion last.

Planner link

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YO.YRBtBtT.WBtBtP.W-AAAAAAAAA-BtBtBk.YBtBtO.YP.WT.WR-AAAAAAAAA-O.YBkO.YBkP.YBkO.YBkO.Y-AAAAAAAAA-RT.WP.WO.YBtBtBk.YBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-P.WBtBtT.WBtBtRO.YBk.Y_D180GtL25Cr0.BkS2-OP-TP-PS-AP4-BtS2-CrP-RS

sylvablade's original post: #🌱│gardening message

There we go. Forgot the image at first lol

[slow flame]

Oh thank you Ren! ❤️

I appreciate you also adding the seeders vs preserves!

[neat vortex]

Sure thing! lol it was bugging me deeply that there wasn't a proper planner link, so any time I wanted to recommend a modification I had to recreate the whole thing from scratch xD

There, added the expected actual revenue from that strategy

[supple stone]

Right, I'll need to remember something to search for this with 😄

[neat vortex]

Added a few more keywords...

(I almost typed "keyboards" there 🤔 )

[ivory pond]

gardener would like to join this channel

[floral talon]

SYLVA oh sylvaaaablade @clear kindle theres alsoa a layout with full HB water retain weedblock with 5 apples trees and 4 blueberrys

[clear kindle]

WHERE??!!

[floral talon]

let me recreate it for you i think it would be PERFECT for YOU

idk if this is the one but i gues its A layout

hey i never said it was fertless XD

[supple stone]

You're mean, Duh, baiting Sylva like that!

[slow flame]

🤣🤣🤣 Not me also eyeing it and realizing their is fert

[clear kindle]

yeah, i saw the fert and was like, "mmm.... i stick with what i got"

[floral talon]

but htere was one that used way less fert though but yeay if ur not into fert

[floral talon]

but im sure that extra apple tree more hten makes up for the fert cost

[slow flame]

I’m honestly kinda giggling at the fact Sylva and I have the same wants regarding gardens

[simple mulch]

does anyone else think its dumb that watering things doesnt count toward any skill? I probably do that the most in this game between my garden, flowers and trees.

[loud summit]

Does anyone have an everything farm similar to this one by Ilyeana but including cotton? I build everything so I at least need some available to me as buying it gets pricey fast T-T

I tried swapping one plant out for cotton but no matter where I put it I seem to break everything else...

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BtBtCBtBtPCPC-ORTTCrOOWT-PSSBkSSPBkP-OCbORCrWCbOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCbWCrROCbO-PCPPmPmCPmPmP-TWOOCrTTRO-BkPBkPBBBkBB_L45

[floral talon]

why do you need to include cotton i mean i do have it but why though

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Astrea's everything garden compilation. At least one of them has cotton

[loud summit]

Like I mentioned I build/craft furniture a lot and end up needing it to make fabric and buying it instead with how much I build gets pricey fast so I would rather grow it if I can

[floral talon]

seeding a bokchoi and buying the fabric wiht it is still cheaper htough (but this kinda makes no real sense

[supple stone]

Well, growing Bok Choy, potatoes, tomatoes or rice instead of a cotton makes you more money than the cost of the equivalent amount of fabric you could make from growing cotton in those tiles

[loud summit]

Really? I can burn through 10K+ in a single trip to tish for it while trying not to buy too much T-T

[floral talon]

yeay htre real downside is u gotto go to tish and use the seeder which is way slower then loom
but it prevents us from having to do cototn which buff is completely useless passed lv25

[supple stone]

It doesn't make much sense, but fabric is just a terrible value proposition. If there was a chance to make more than one when using starred cotton, it would be better growing and making your own. But until then... Not really

[loud summit]

huh maybe itll feel worth it once I have my farm set back up then I'll just try the Ilyeana one as it is for now

[supple stone]

Fair, happy gardening 🙂

[bitter path]

Best gardening layout for profitability & what to do with the crops? I usually have a bit of everything growing with 100% a water retain pattern and use weedblock fertilizer on most so I can ignore it. But I want to redo my main plot with the the new cottages and need tons of gold 🫣

[stuck frigate]

Would anyone happen to have a spreadsheet or something that shows crops value when preserved or made into seeds that also includes the amount required for each? I’m trying to maximise my profits 😅

[loud summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1n9ehqr/seeds_vs_preserves_which_crops_are_the_most/

[floral talon]

if u got the crafter time jar is best aside for potato bokchoi beans

[loud summit]

Just saw this on that redit post and it feels too relevant XD

[bitter path]

This is my current layout. All starred crops anyway so quality increase is pointless.

[bitter path]

If you wanted to put more weedblocker down, you could probably swap out 2 carrots and 2 onions for more cotton. Or reverse bok choy & cotton to add 2 more there with weedblocker too.

[mint sandal]

Made another everything garden with even more grain tiles (16 total) by shifting things around a bit in one of my previously shared layouts (this one #🌱│gardening message)
You know me, this layout is ofc 100% watered/weedblocked, and it requires 18 ferts to get to 100% harvest boost. Ideal for people who regularly go to epic sushi/sashimi parties due to the amount of rice in there. You can obviously swap the grains around to get a more balanced amount of each instead to fit your needs
EDIT: looking it back over it actually needs 16 ferts instead of 18 for 100% harvest boost, the potato at bottom right and bok choy bottom left are already boosted by the rice
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkRTC.HTRBkP-AAAAAAAAA-RPBk.HCT.HCBkPR-BBTBBRPBkCr-ORCbBkWPPRBk-CBtBtRBtBtCrPBk-T.HCRS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.HP.H-CbROOWCbCbRO-RTC.HP.HPm.HPm.HBk.HPm.HPm.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BP-SP-RS-BkS-CP-PmP-BtS-PS-CbP-WS-CrP-TP-OP

[stable marten]

what items do i put in the worm farm to get more hydratepro?

[jagged rampart]

Is anyone else having a problem with the water retain buff not working even when a crop says it’s in effect? Started happening after the update.

[neat vortex]

I think they partially don't want there to be a disincentive for using companion planting to keep your garden watered between plantings

And flowers don't count toward anything in general, lol

[stuck frigate]

Thank you!

[supple stone]

The only fertilisers you can get from the worm farms are harvest boost and quality up. Hydrate Pro and weed block fertilisers have to be bought from Zeki.

[supple stone]

I've had it on a few random tiles, yeah. Not been able to work out a pattern, but my garden is out of sync and it is rather annoying haha

[supple stone]

Cool, can see this being popular 🙂

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
This post of mine has some relevant info on profitable layouts

In general though,
Seed: Bok Choy, potatoes, rice, wheat and beans
Preserve: everything else

I notice you use an everything layout at present. They, by nature, don't tend to be particularly high on the profit scale

[neat vortex]

ooooh

Y'know. This is actually a pretty succinct illustration of a few different things... (one of each plant)

(though doesn't take apple's much larger footprint into account - it's more than twice the tiles of a 2x2)

bean seeds are 2 beans per, so it's at 990 beans in 360 growth ticks XD

to translate the apples to be comparable to the rest...
496 apple jam per 4 tiles

(And that's why pumpkins are AWFUL 😂 )

[craggy portal]

ive been using this layout since last year, minus the beans and pumpkins which were another plot of spicy peppers and blueberries. can someone recommend how i can get my money's worth, all i know apple jam used to be the best money maker but now i have no clue

[supple stone]

Using this layout, best money makers are:
Seed beans, potatoes and cotton
Preserve all else.

Apples are a great convenient crop, but are very middling for profit. For more info on profitable crops, the first paragraph of this post and follow the link in that paragraph. #🌱│gardening message

[craggy portal]

oooh ok, thank you so much

[upbeat ivy]

how are you chatting so much with him?

[prisma vale]

If we ever get a bot in here for gardening FAQ, it needs to be called The Gardener. I will accept no other name

[neat vortex]

Spoilers for Gardener friendship progression ||As part of his friendship level 2 quest, you get one of his portable hubs to place on your plot. :) Very convenient!||

[solar quail]

Anyone having issues with crop growth? Whenever I leave the plot and return it seems to reset the growth tick as well as the fertilizer amount available.

[craggy portal]

anyone know how to remove fertiliser from a crop

[supple stone]

Put one fertiliser of a different type on the tile.
I use quality up as it's less likely I will have the buff from adjacent crops, so the fertiliser will get used up after 1 day and it's easier for me to tell where all the fertiliser actually is

[supple stone]

The fertiliser that's resetting, is it on multi-tile crops and do they cross the border of 2 or more soil plots?

I have had some issues with crops not growing or not being watered, but not noticed a pattern yet

[solar quail]

Yes

[craggy portal]

thank you again!

[solar quail]

Oh, actually it's on multi slot crops, but not all of them are crossing boundaries.

[sleek kiln]

Kinda overwhelmed with gardening rn, i would like good profits, maybe water retain and weed prevention, probably just for solo profits so not for cooking parties, can anyone help 😵‍💫

[supple stone]

Huh, the cross-plot crops were always a bit buggy, but if it's all multi-tile crops, all I can say is take a video of you repeating the steps to bug it out (if possible, otherwise pics and the Steps written out)
Then put that in a bug report

[supple stone]

Ren has a good post here: #🌱│gardening message
If you have any questions, feel free to ask 🙂
We often recommend the Bullseye layout as it doesn't need fertiliser to function well and still is good for profit

[solar quail]

Now that I check again they fully reset the fertilizer amount to the 60 I added. I have a setup with 4 by 2 soil and a separate soil with an apple tree as decoration. I had it gather 9 weed since apparently that prevents weed growth anywhere else. That's when the issues started so I removed them and now the plots fully reset the fertilizer... so here's hoping.

[supple stone]

Oh

[supple stone]

OK, this is a known bug then. Crop growth CAN revert if you have the max number of weeds in your garden. So... Best not to do that

[sleek kiln]

Layout looks good, now how should i process all the crops tho?

[solar quail]

I see. Thanks!

[supple stone]

Seed Bok Choy, potatoes, rice, wheat
Preserve anything else

[sleek kiln]

Thank you very much! :)

[supple stone]

If you ever end up growing beans, they're best seeded for profit too, fyi

[ivory pond]

You can talk to npcs every in game day

So every time I'm on my plot and it's another day I talk to him

[full idol]

got setup for 4 soil ?

[wispy girder]

Couldn't find the bullseye layout

[supple stone]

ok, direct link then #🌱│gardening message

[wispy girder]

Do we also have any layouts that's specified for certain uses? For example, as a mid game player that just started the game, I'm finding cotton to be something I need to create some furnitures, would it be best for me to buy it in Zeki's instead of planting cotton?

[supple stone]

It is cheaper to grow bok choy/potato/tomato/rice over cotton and seed (or preserve in tomato's case) and use that to buy fabric from Tish
You end up with slightly more money than you would have had just growing the cotton...assuming you are getting mostly starred produce

But what sort of layout are you looking for?

[wispy girder]

Not necessarily any specific layout since I'm yet to get lvl 8 in gardening to start preserving

Ill be using bullseye for now, I was just wanting to know if it's better to plant profitable layouts and then buy some of the other stuff later

[austere bronze]

Holy moley! This looks amazing, it waters and stops weeds on all of the apples/bluberries, AND PROVIDES 100 HARVEST BOOST? mY GOODNESS...

Aaah harvest boost with the fertilizer, still very good layout!!

[flint elbow]

Does anybody have any insight as to the most efficient way to farm Guild Store coins?? (before i go crunching my own numbers)

[austere bronze]

I'm not sure-- But I would say probably just follow your accomplishments tab

[proper geode]

Only way to get guild coins is leveling up the skill and weekly accomplishments afaik

[supple stone]

Honestly, just do the weeklies.
Levelling gardening is rather slow. You could log in every hour to maximise the growth (and so exp) you get, but I'd say just do weeklies

[flint elbow]

I guess I should have asked a more direct question - Does anyone have numbers on the best XP per time spent for gardening? If I were to be able to tend to it every hour, and were to throw out cash flow or cooking mats as a driver for what to plant, what would yield me the best XP.

As an Example - I know apples give the most XP per harvest. But, over any given time frame, do they give the most XP per hour if I am capable of hitting my garden every hour?

[supple stone]

Everything gives the same exp

4 exp per tile per growth tick

[flint elbow]

Orly?? Man I really ahven't been paying attn to XP gains for gardening LMAO

[supple stone]

It seems different because you have crops like apples which dump loads of exp on you in one go, but it's exactly the same

[flint elbow]

So rly being more efficient with time management is more benificial. No amount of different crops will yield me any more xp 'per hour' (or day or week or w/e)

[supple stone]

Well, exactly the same assuming you have everything watered and weeded all the time so it actually grows, and harvest/replant on time too

[supple stone]

Yup!

[flint elbow]

Exactly the info I was looking for TYVM!!

[supple stone]

Apples are less effort, and would take less irl time due to their size, but you also run the risk of losing exp if you run out of focus (quite easy to do when harvesting multiple apples in a row)

By less irl time I mean each time you go on, less time is needed on average to tend to the garden for replanting

[flint elbow]

So, just to be 100% sure I understand - Given that every tile is watered/weeded/planted 100% of the time, the maximum hourly XP gain possible is 81x4=324 (without focus I'm assuming). And does harvest boost affect XP gains?

[supple stone]

Harvest boost has no effect on exp
And...you know what, I can't remember if the 4 exp is before or after focus boost

[flint elbow]

Thank you! And the focus is an ez test i can run on next harvest.

[supple stone]

It is. Bok choy or rice should be 12 exp per harvest if after focus boost and you have 100% boost, or 24 otherwise

[wispy girder]

In midgame, which is the best crop or food to put in my worm farm?

[pale reef]

Higher gold value = higher yield
Sweet foods give quality-up fertilizer
Savory foods give harvest boost fertilizer

There is no “best” but I usually attend burger/cake parties and use starred ones for my glow worm farm. If you can get into a legendary fish cooking party that requires garlic or rice overprep, that’s an easy option as well

[wispy girder]

I just atended to a burger party yesterday, it was my first one, no glow worm farm forn ow

Wanted to know anything I can throw there to lvl up some xp and that could probably be of use to me

[pale reef]

So I don’t think worm farms give xp? Someone fact check me pls tho
If you just want a ton of worms over time, chuck in some expensive food
If you want cost-efficient, I think it’s always pretty fair on value return
If you need worms right now, just buy them from Zeki’s

[floral talon]

due to rounding some stuff makes profit worming while others a loss

[supple stone]

Nothing makes a loss when worming it, but due to the formula some things make more profit in worm farm Vs glow worm farm. Most things are better in regular worm farm, but very cheap stuff is better in glow worm farms... Generally

[supple stone]

You're right on the exp front there

[pale reef]

Thank y’all

[twilit tinsel]

Any idea on how I can improve this farm?

It’s all star seeds so

And I have quality fertiliser

[upper gorge]

why isn't my apple tree wanting to plant here ?? i literally just had one in this same spot 😭

[supple stone]

Middle spot on the right column in this pic might not be fully tilled?
Either way, try re-tilling the whole plot. If that doesn't work, log out and back into the game and see?

[upper gorge]

OH thank you! you're right, it wasn't fully tilled 🥲

[rustic tapir]

hi ,is there bug with seeders and preservers jars ?

The timer is set to zero and its not processing

[supple stone]

What level are you? The buff coverage of quality up essentially only covers the apples (which I'm guessing is intended)
Fertiliser would be an easy way to boost buff coverage too, eg get you to 100% water retain and maybe Harvest Boost too
If you wanted to try and fit weed block onto the apples, you'd need to move one of the bushes next to each tree so that only 1 tile touches it (keep the other bush with 2 tiles touching)
That middle tomato could be a weed block plant for added weed block coverage
That's all I can see rn

[supple stone]

Not that I've seen or heard, try leaving the plot and re-entering, or if that doesn't work reloading the whole game?

[ivory pond]

Jesus Christ when I actually go and harvest and replant everything I have no way of processing it without stocking everything

I do not want 100 bok choy pls process faster

[rustic tapir]

It happens frequently i log back to the game and its the same

Only when i cancel then start again it start counting

I mean processing

[supple stone]

Make a bug report, I don't have a clue I'm afraid

[ivory pond]

I had this happen once when everything just decided to stop working but removing all the crops and restarting the game fixed it for me :/

Have you tried emptying them fully and picking the crafters up and placing them again? Not sure if that's gonna reset them

[rustic tapir]

I did all but moving them around

I will test

[twilit tinsel]

Level 13

[twilit tinsel]

This helps a lot thank you :]

[modern ember]

Whats better to make from potatoes(for profit)? Seeds or pickled potatoes?

[floral talon]

Seeds

[supple stone]

Btw, with starred seeds, even without the quality up buff, you have a 76% chance of starred crops.

[thorny jacinth]

Have a crop question maybe someone could help me with
What's the latest time I can water my crop for it to be counted in that in-game day? Is it 6pm, 9pm or 3am?

[pale reef]

5:59am

[thorny jacinth]

Oh wow that late, nice!

[pale reef]

It just has to happen before the growth tick which always happens at 6am. This applies for anything as well

[thorny jacinth]

Thank you!

[floral talon]

<06:00

[neat vortex]

Some items will lose up to 5g in value in a glow worm farm 😔

[neat vortex]

This does sometimes happen, like if a player has been out of the game for a long time and there were updates since (or sometimes for unknown reasons)

If you can cancel the job, pick up the crafter into your inventory, and then set it back down, that might help.

I would also file a bug report, because this bug has been hard to squash since it only happens sometimes to some people

HOWEVER it could also be the thing where it stalls when it doesn't have space for a possible bonus seed or preserves (i.e., 2 stacks + 3rd partial stack in the output bin). That's normal.

[supple stone]

Huh...well, @floral talon sorry for not trusting you!

[floral talon]

im rarely wrong cysrulean rarely

[supple stone]

I've corrected you a couple times before though 😄

[floral talon]

yes rarely XD
me beign wrong is still usually poeple misinterpretating me lmao

[supple stone]

Oh sure, seen that happen at least once

[haughty hill]

Anyone got any small garden setups? I was thinking about splitting some plots away to have smaller areas filled for decor purposes but have it functional for Bug catching and cooking still.

[unreal solstice]

how close is "nearby"? adjacent tiles? tiles on the diagonals too? multiple tiles?

[floral talon]

directly adjacent SO NOT diagonal
and an apple needs 3 of a buff next to it to get it from plants cuz its larger for example and 2x2s need 2

[unreal solstice]

thanks for the info!

[sly skiff]

the shape is like this + with the seed in the middle

[strong pewter]

Any layouts focused on high quality & high harvest for bean burgers?

Tried searching but couldn't find anything

[supple stone]

Off to bed, but can look for you tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it, but what is your gardening level? You might not need high quality.
Assuming you mainly want wheat, tomato, onion and beans though?

[strong pewter]

Gardening is at 53 and yeah, those or if you'd replace one for rice, I'd be fine with that too

[floral talon]

idk what stuff u need in ur layout for burgers

[strong pewter]

Onion, tomato, wheat and beans

[floral talon]

ic ic ic ic
what ratio does the uhm recipe use it

[ivory pond]

3 bean : 2 tomato: 2 onion : 1 wheat

[floral talon]

il whip something right up for ya

and by that i mean commit plagiarism of cysruleans copy of my layout

[ivory pond]

Bullseye? Idk whose layout that is

[floral talon]

oh righ ti could grab the bullseye but that be low on beans if converted

[ivory pond]

Can u put more than 4 beans in it

dont mind my edit

The ratios ain't it

[floral talon]

this any good?

[ivory pond]

Big beans

[floral talon]

stonks

[ivory pond]

What's the boost/retain stat with no fertilizer?

[floral talon]

not ont he spots i put fert on?

[ivory pond]

I mean the whole thing without fert

[strong pewter]

Ty! That's a lot of beans xD

[ivory pond]

A

[floral talon]

i should see my maximus beans one is a german cross shape

[ivory pond]

broo xd

[floral talon]

you wanna see it?

[ivory pond]

show me

[floral talon]

ok il show u the maximus 100% 3 buffs one

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Cb.HOBt.HPBkBt.HBt.HBt.HBt.H-Bt.HCb.WBt.HBt.HPBt.HBt.HOBt.H-Bt.HOCb.HBt.HBkPBt.HBt.HBt.H-Bt.HBt.HBt.HCb.YO.WCbBt.HBt.HBt.H-Bt.HBkBt.HP.WCb.HP.WBt.HBkBt.H-Bt.HBt.HBt.HCbO.WCb.YBt.HBt.HBt.H-Bt.HBt.HBt.HPBkBt.HCb.HOBt.H-Bt.HOBt.HBt.HPBt.HBt.HCb.WBt.H-Bt.HBt.HBt.HBt.HBkPBt.HOCb.H

[ivory pond]

I have one of these saved back when u made a layout with 12 beans a few months ago

[floral talon]

yeay must have bean one of those then

wanna see the tryhard max bean?

[ivory pond]

Sure

[floral talon]

behold insanity

[ivory pond]

Bro xd

[floral talon]

before bean nerf this was insane coin per growthtick

like 9k or something

[haughty hill]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-WBkOTPWOWBt-PRPTBkTBtOBt-OBkWWPTBtRO-BkWBtPBkOBkWBt-BtTBtTPTBtTBt-BtWBkOBkPBtWBk-OWBtTPWWBkO-BtOBtTBkTPWP-BtWOWPTOBkW_D60L23

Did I do a good job? 😮

[neat vortex]

by what metric?

[haughty hill]

Huh? Oh Idk I was just playin with it.. Im not good at this stuff...

[neat vortex]

4 bean plants produces 226 rounds of burgers' worth of beans in 60 growth ticks.

To cover that many rounds of burgers, you need:

• 452 tomatoes
• 452 onions
• 226 wheat

(I don't have a point here, I just wanted to do the math)

[haughty hill]

Did I do it wrong?

[neat vortex]

I mean, there's not really a "wrong" in a layout as long as it works for what you're trying to do and what you're trying to avoid, which is why I asked about your parameters XD

But I'll let you know that it's completely possible to hit 100% water/weed with those crop choices

[haughty hill]

Oh ok! Thats what I was Aiming for.

[ivory pond]

I closed it and lost the planner math

[haughty hill]

Im not good at math and Im not the smartest x.x

[neat vortex]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkBtBtOBtBt-BkPTWRWTOBk-OBkP.HBtBtTBtBtO-TWBkPROBkWT-PWPTRBkPWP-TWBkORPBkWT-OBtBtTBtBtP.HBkO-BkOTWRWTPBk-BtBtOBtBtBkOTP.H_L25

and you could actually fit one more onion in there, but it wasn't necessary

lol you don't actually need that much wheat XD

[ivory pond]

The ratios are off in this no

More tomato than beans xd

[neat vortex]

Tomatoes are just super fast, but what else are you gonna plant? Cabbage?

[ivory pond]

That's the question

I think duhs layout had closer ratios to the recipe

But it used more fert than urs

[haughty hill]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11_CR-TPABBABBA-AACrAAPAAT

Did you guys see my Apple and Blueberry 1 by 2? I think its a cute settup :>

[neat vortex]

Hmmm this one is closer (453 burger rounds in 60 ticks), but doesn't have quite enough onion 🤔

so yeah, DS's is the closest so far

but also that is. so many burgers. lol

I only have TWO bean plants and I have to ACTIVELY look for parties to use up my beans

[haughty hill]

Idk if this is already a thing, but I wish the layout stuff could include recipe's we are trying to build our layouts for.

[neat vortex]

because otherwise I have zero storage space

[haughty hill]

So it does the math for us xD I suck at math

Wait, two beans make that much?

[neat vortex]

Depends how many growth ticks you get in and how consistent you are about harvesting them, but it can

3 beans every growth tick per plant (averaged out)

So I get two rounds of burgers out of my garden every hour I play (again, averaged out lol)

[haughty hill]

If I want to join a party for these Bean burgers (Once I catch up and get the recipe xD), do I need to have all the ingredients or just some?

Im still learning about parties and such sorry

[neat vortex]

Usually you only need to fill one role/do one step of the recipe

Sometimes hosts will ask people to also do one of the free roles

So, for a burger party that's making the recipe 100x, you would need, say, 100 wheat and that's it

[haughty hill]

Ohhh ok

[neat vortex]

Or 100 tomatoes, or 100 onions, or 300 beans... etc.

100 vinegar, 100 eggs, and 100 oil if you're doing mayo (and carrying the whole party lmao)

[haughty hill]

Is there a guide on these parties I can go back and look at?

[neat vortex]

This is the gardening channel, so check the pins in #🍳│cooking-foraging

[haughty hill]

Ok thank you!

[ivory pond]

Maybe ath feeds their animals burgers

[neat vortex]

god.

[ivory pond]

Why do u actually need all ingredients for burgers

[strong pewter]

I was feeding my Ormuus with burgers, but because I was going to lots of burger parties. Now I wanna go to the parties again, but my current layout isn't giving enough beans 😂

[ivory pond]

Damn I was right

[strong pewter]

To have more flexibility if you aren't the host

[neat vortex]

Why burgers, though, they're only Uncommon and they're so expensive D:

Y'know what I wanna see? Meaty stir fry parties, lol

Ev'rybody hop on the carrots train like it's 2023 🥳

[ivory pond]

I want them they're rare no? Good for gourmand

[neat vortex]

Yeah, meaty stir fry is rare and is absolutely the most cost-effective rare food

AND you can use ginger for the any veg if you want

Chapaa onigiri might arguably be cheaper for parties

(most expensive role is butter, I think, or spice sprouts tied with garlic if you buy them)

[frigid wing]

I just wanna make sure I have this right, so correct me if wrong, apple tree with speed gro finishes growing in 4 days right?

[neat vortex]

Er, to first harvest or all the way done?

[frigid wing]

First harvest

[neat vortex]

The first harvest is at 12 days. Speedy gro gives 1 bonus day of growth every 2 days, so as long as the grow time is a multiple of 3, it reduces it by a third.

So, that would be 8 days. Assuming it doesn't bug out (it's inconsistent about whether it works when you aren't home for the growth tick) or interfere with your harvest boost buff or just flat disappear off your trees...

[strong pewter]

Because it's what I had to feed them tbh, now I'm using cheaper foods and I'd be so down for the Meaty Stir Fry parties, ngl 😂

Easy to set up, cheap to make, and just enough to get their food bar filled

[ivory pond]

Meaty stir fry is meat, rice, garlic, veg and someone to start and stir a pot no?

So 5 ppl. We are 3. Can we rope 2 more into this

Cys and duh

[wild glacier]

Why does it only want me to use corn when it says one of any veggie? xD

[ivory pond]

Nah idk if duh even ranches

[ivory pond]

Illusion of free will

[wild glacier]

I have so many veggies, let me use them! xD

[haughty hill]

I would be down for a Meaty stir fry party!

[neat vortex]

Visual glitch - once you start the recipe you can use any vegetable you want (except spicy peppers, which don't count, but ginger, green onion, and flowtato do!)

Oh and for the meat you can use crab if you want

or elder clam mushroom meat

I'm not in-game currrently or I'd be down

[ivory pond]

What time are u in game anyway cuz these are degen hours for Europe

[neat vortex]

I joke that I live in Central Time US but on Aleutian Time (roughly UTC-9 or 10 lol)

normally I would be awake for another 6 hours

[ivory pond]

Yeeeaaah I think ur awake when Europe is asleep

[neat vortex]

Pretty much lol

If I'm awake when Europe is waking up/getting online, I should be going to BED

[ivory pond]

Can I interest u in a cooking party until 4am

[neat vortex]

well past even my bedtime lol

Probably, just not today, I'm wiped

[ivory pond]

Lmao

[neat vortex]

Ping me if you set one up though - I'll bring all the ginger anybody could ever want lol

(pls I beg let me use all this damn ginger)

[ivory pond]

Should make one, I need the food for my legendary chikin

And it should be a young adult today (my today) so I can finally feed it

[neat vortex]

My main focus food for humans is stuffed cabbage rolls, so I go and gather green onions all the time... ...and they share spawn points with ginger. After a few weekly 60x cabbage roll parties, you can guess how this ends up. xD

[strong pewter]

Pls @ me if you do, because I'm out of cheaper foods rip xD

[ivory pond]

Ya lemme know what time (roughly, can just be a range ur normally awake) yall available on Thursday (18th sept) and ill see what overlaps cuz i think we're all over the map

[strong pewter]

Anytime tomorrow, as long as I'm awake ^^ Out of work until monday

[neat vortex]

I have plans between 9pm and 11pm BST, but I'm available after that lol

I am also willing to host on my cooking plot

but someone else would need to ride herd on everybody/do the organizing

If I feel up to it, I'll probably bring my alt as well so both characters get the food

[ivory pond]

Das fine with me

I mean I can host meaty too it's literally 5 stations

I can't host anything bigger cuz I only have my house xd

[magic crypt]

What's the quickest way to level gardening?

[sweet sedge]

You only gain experience from harvesting (not hoeing or watering), so buy carrot & onion seeds from Zeki's store for short grow time. You can also buy more soil tiles from Badruu once you level up enough, and unlocking bok choy is the best gold per growth tick currently. Lastly, don't forget to get a seed collector when you're eligible; you'll still have to buy the first seed from Zeki's store (or the produce from Badruu's stand and run it through your seed maker), but it's so much easier when you can make your own seeds rather than always having to go into town.

[supple stone]

What you grow doesn't matter for exp if you are replanting on time and always have the garden watered and weeded.
#🌱│gardening message for more detail on exp, answered this yesterday 🙂
Ren also has a post linked just above my answer, but I always struggle to open message links from a search on mobile, so you have my message linked instead

[haughty hill]

Oh lord... I just realized I have like.. 400+ Star Quality veggies... xD

I should probably use them...

[magic crypt]

Oh ok and yea I have max soil and the seed maker so I'll give those a try

[neat vortex]

mahnies

[true phoenix]

Does anyone have any layouts for Beans + Pumpkins?

[floral talon]

i can make u one
but why would u need it?

[true phoenix]

wanna have enough ingredients for cooking parties

[floral talon]

oh u wanna do the pumpkin and beans role then seems fair
do u need water retain and weedblock to?

how many of certain plants do u need

[true phoenix]

ooo yes those would be nice

[floral talon]

im asking questions so i cant get u a layout that mazkes sense

[true phoenix]

idk about how many but if it is possible to put in tomatos or rice as well then that would be nice too

[floral talon]

yeay can do that so u need rice to got it

uhm im not sure how many pumpkin and beans u need though

[true phoenix]

yeaaah im not good with numbers but usually i´ll want to do like 100 rounds, Beans are like 300 for 100 rounds, dont have cooking stations in front of me rn so pumpkins like 100 for 100 rounds

idk if it makes sence sorry

[floral talon]

mh yeay that gives me a rough idea of how many u need ratio wise

some poeple need like 1 pump kin and 1 beans others need MORE always MORE

[true phoenix]

if we had unlimited store the MORE would be nice to have XD shame its capped at 14k

[floral talon]

something like this?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HTCbBkBtBtCbBtBt-BkOTRCrRCb.WTBk-Cb.HBk.HO.HPmPmT.HPmPmCb.H-TRO.WOCrCbBkRT-BtBtOBtBtRORO-TRBkCbCrOBkRT-Cb.HPmPmT.HPmPmO.HBk.HCb.H-BkCbTRCrRTOBk-BtBtCbBtBtBkCbTO.H

[true phoenix]

oooo that looks amazing! Will do very nicely ❤️ Ty so much

[floral talon]

gl with it and gj on providing the pumpkins and beans so othersdont have to thats very nice of you

[hollow flare]

i'm trying to plant Apples so i dug out some of my plants that i kinda don't need that much anymore but it says can't plant garden not empty

does it only work with fresh soil or something

[round sorrel]

how big of a soil plot are you giving it? apple trees take up a 3x3 grid (one soil plot)

[hollow flare]

it said 9 soil slots so i emptied 9 (Nvm i realized my mistake)

[wild glacier]

Is it more worth it to sell starred bok choy or make kim chee with it?

[supple stone]

Neither.
Seed it and sell the seeds > sell preserves > sell raw

[wild glacier]

Bok choy seeds are more worth it???

[clear kindle]

yes, as 1 bok choy yields 4 seeds when compared to the one to one of the kimchi. time really doesn't matter (the 1h12m seed vs. 36m preserve) as the crafters run even offline

[wild glacier]

😮

[real sinew]

Question, for the gardening plots, do they need to be next to eachother or can there be some space between for the buffs they crops give to other crops?

[clear kindle]

have to be together

[floral talon]

they need to be super connected more then regular
they ned to be snapepd together

[real sinew]

Understood, thank you!

[plush sedge]

does anyone know what the number on the flowers and bushes mean i have a few flowers with number 1 and a few with 6 and ones with a medal

[floral talon]

their growthstage

[plush sedge]

@floral talon thank you for the information

[floral talon]

your welcomne

[tall tundra]

hi! could someone please explain speedygro for dummies? i'd expect it makes crops grow quicker but the item explanation confuses me a little

[neat vortex]

I did a breakdown here w/r/t speedygro on apples a little while back
#🌱│gardening message

but note that it's buggy as heck, only obtainable via guild medals, and fertilizer sometimes disappears from multitile crops for no apparent reason

[tall tundra]

okay thank you!! that makes so much more sense to me!

[clever terrace]

Im new-ish to this, how does this layout look in terms of profitability? any ways I can improve it?

[lunar ingot]

i might copy that 👀

or do similar

[clever terrace]

lol, so its good then?

[lunar ingot]

given how it says total is over 400k, im certainly interested

[clever terrace]

as long as you keep replanting lol

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

[neat vortex]

Unless you specifically need to grow them for cooking, peppers, pumpkins, and blueberries are not very good for revenue - they are utility crops. Apples and beans are middling for gold per tile per growth tick.

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that this figure is over 180 growth ticks/in-game days :)

However, multi-harvest crops do have the advantage of being much more hands-off.

This layout also has a lot of redundant fertilizer (fertilizer on crops that are already getting the buff from companion planting).

imo you can also skip quality-buffing the cotton — the only reason to grow it is if you are below gardening level 8 or 10 or so and need to stock up on fabric. (Fabric does not benefit from star-quality cotton.)

Nice work getting the whole plot water-retained without fertilizer! I bet you could work some weedblock and/or more harvest boost in there if you wanted to. Harvest boost is generally more beneficial at level 10+ than quality up is.

I also appreciate that you don't have any cross-plot multi-tile crops - it's possible to do, but can be kind of buggy, so I like to avoid it

[clever terrace]

11

[clever terrace]

I need them for cooking but once i have enough of each, ill swap em

[neat vortex]

If you need 'em for cooking parties, then focusing on quality up does make a lot of sense - though mind that it's nearly impossible to get unstarred peppers, blueberries, and apples from your garden past level 38, and accidents do happen where someone forgets to check "use starred."

So, you might want to consider stockpiling those unstarred fruits and peppers now, while you still (rarely) get them, and save them to fill requests/save the day when oopsie rounds happen xD

Beans, pumpkins, and the other crops, though, don't worry about that as you can buy them unstarred if you need to restock in the future.

[clever terrace]

Heres what is gives for a shorter length of time, its still a lot of in game days but its more manageable

[neat vortex]

The gold per growth tick is a better comparison, tbh, though setting it to 180 also makes sure no harvests are being cut off

You can also specify processing methods in the settings and it will tell you how much the seeds/preserves add up to

[lunar ingot]

idk 50 something

oh you werent asking me, i can read.

[wild glacier]

I think I lost the garden thing for the pumpkin curry someone sent me xD

[neat vortex]

this convo? #🌱│gardening message

[wild glacier]

yes LOL

[neat vortex]

A secret: I searched in this channel for mentions: alexmancer 😉

That pulls up all messages in the channel where someone either ping-replied to you or @-mentioned you

[wild glacier]

Yes

but now I'm trying to actually find the planner

Okay, I had to search you to find it xD

[mint sandal]

The website?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[wild glacier]

Oh no, not the website, the particular set up

[mint sandal]

Ah

[neat vortex]

The planner link for Yexol's beaned bullseye is what I had linked Alex before, which was linked in the post I... linked... lmao

[wild glacier]

yeah, it uh... took me a sec lol

[mint sandal]

Lol

[neat vortex]

link is no longer a meaningful word

[wild glacier]

I see that xD

If I replace the blueberries with more beans, is this good for beanburgers too, you think?

Does this expect me to just sell the crops rather than make products with them? The gold output is high xD

bok choy is the one you stick through the seeder again?

[neat vortex]

bok choy, potatoes, rice, wheat, and beans all get seeded for best gold return per crop

[wild glacier]

Okay, seems like this can be a very easy set up for both cooking and profit then xD

[neat vortex]

But the numbers there are BEFORE processing

[wild glacier]

Right

I have two seed makers right now. Should I maybe have 3 or 4 for best results?

And then tomatoes all go in my jars?

[neat vortex]

uh

depends on how many growth ticks you get in per day

^ this is recommended for 6 growth ticks per RL day

Here's more info on calculating that for yourself: #🌱│gardening message

[wild glacier]

12 collecters and 4 jars? Wow xD

New set up here, I guess I can grow to that

I have 3 jars already though

[ivory pond]

Get all of them I'm building up my crafters rn cause I have 6 seeders and they ain't enough

Well all of them is a joke. But you'll see how much you need as u start processing

You'll see if based on how much u harvest you're able to process it in time or not

I cannot and my veggies keep building up lol

[wild glacier]

I need the gold, so I can slowly build up the license fee xD

[supple stone]

I have 20 seeders+preserve jars and with how often I have been logging in for ranching data collection, I'm really struggling to process everything in all honesty

[mint sandal]

Dang, that's a lot. You got 10 of each?

Or you have more preserve jars?

[wild glacier]

I have level 19 gardening, I'm building up xD

[ivory pond]

I have 12 jars 6 seeders not enough

Probably gonna lower to 9 jars and put more seeders

[floral talon]

gj cysrulean

i got the problem of needing to many storage crafters ...

[wild glacier]

I'm trying to make enough money to decorate lol

[ivory pond]

Grind the cooking parties

Especially epic+ fish lol

[supple stone]

12 seeders, 8 preserves

[wild glacier]

need newbie friendly ones lol

[supple stone]

Yeah, platinum storage chests can't come soon enough!

[wild glacier]

gardening is great for adhd...

[floral talon]

windirstat for storage when

[ivory pond]

Epic fish is fine no u can just bring tomatoes or onion or something to chop

Try to stock up at least 50 of the items needed for the parties

[floral talon]

we actually have an adhd gardening layout

[wild glacier]

yes??

[ivory pond]

What's an adhd layout lmao

[floral talon]

do u want lots of dopamine and be constantly distracted by it we got u covered

[floral talon]

max dopamine max distraction for optimally capturing ur focus to interrupt u from what ur suppseod to do

[wild glacier]

I do! xD

[floral talon]

hangon lemme grab it

[wild glacier]

😄

[floral talon]

btw im literly not joking

[wild glacier]

I was hoping you were not joking lol

[floral talon]

u want hte fertless variant or the worse one

the worse one comes with more dopamine

[wild glacier]

less fertilizer the better. xD

[floral talon]

i just finished reamking the fert one well ok

[wild glacier]

I only have harvest boost because I haven't really figured it out yet

[floral talon]

fert one
and fertless

the way this works is its highi maintenance and the lots of collection moments of shiny red orbs is great for the dopamine seekers

the layouts are also simple so getting distracted wont make u mess up planting it

[mint sandal]

I have 6 seeders and 8 preserves, I definetely need more seeders cause I need 2 for potatoes and 2 for bok choy alone haha, that leaves only 2 to deal with rice, wheat and beans and all the seeds I need to make fo replants

[wild glacier]

omg

[floral talon]

so what do u guys think of the adhd layouts

[wild glacier]

this really is click on all the shinies

[mint sandal]

Which one is that?

[floral talon]

#🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

ikr its just perfect for those poeple

[supple stone]

Ouch...yeah, get yourself some more seeders!!!

[wild glacier]

this will keep me from chasing butterflies lol

[mint sandal]

It's gonna mess up the symmetry of my little seeders/worm farms area

[supple stone]

All I have to say is 👀

[mint sandal]

I'll have to figure something out

[supple stone]

Well I guess it can wait then 🙂

[floral talon]

dont forget to offset the seeding growthticks of the tomatoes so u gotto work onit every growthtick

[wild glacier]

my in game husband will never see me again

[floral talon]

i like hwo with fert the entire layout looks super shiny

sparklies everywhere from the fert and ul be spending so much time watering and weeding

[wild glacier]

tbh. I love the shiny look

[floral talon]

diagnosis confirmed

[supple stone]

wut, no! It bugs me so much when the layouts get desync'd! You'd actually do it intentionally?

[wild glacier]

I cant help putting harvest boost on

[floral talon]

i mean not me i dont have adhd after all i got uhm other charms

u really dont wanna know how i got those layouts 😭 🤣

im serious i can make a layout for every personality thing poeple can have

[supple stone]

Yeah, I'm elsewhere on the spectrum, which I imagine surprises no-one who has been reading my Ranching notes haha

[supple stone]

But...maybe I do?

[floral talon]

yeay im like unique even on the dam thing

[ivory pond]

Bro what am I looking at

[supple stone]

Shhhh, don't ask questions you don't want the answers to

[wild glacier]

My new hobby

[floral talon]

ok so i noticed what some streamers go most insanely crazy pointlessly overhyped about and i put that in a layout

[supple stone]

hahaha

[ivory pond]

But just tomatoes??!?!?

[floral talon]

scrnshots of layouts

[ivory pond]

Do streamers love tomatoes

[floral talon]

not just a monocrop specifically tomatoes

[wild glacier]

"Where did Alex go? I haven't seen him indays!"
On his farm, just giggling

[floral talon]

well not integza but others usually go nuts about them well he goes nuts to but its a opposite kind of crazy

alexmancer i must know how the heck are u adhd and somehow water instead of fire type

[wild glacier]

Shy adhd

[floral talon]

oh yeay shy is super water

[wild glacier]

possibly undiagnosed autism

[floral talon]

mh must be that type i keep forgetting the name from

[wild glacier]

there's some overlap, but usually when I was a kid, if you were diagnosed with one, you wouldn't be diagnosed with the other

[ivory pond]

My chaotic trait is choosing the element either for the wreath or to match the color of my username

[floral talon]

welcoem to the audhd spectrum era

[wild glacier]

yup xD

[floral talon]

a very fire type thing to do

[ivory pond]

Someone told me I'm fire when I had water because I liked the water wreath

[wild glacier]

I think I'm maybe somewhere between water and the green one

[floral talon]

einar had such a nice convo when ur firetype it really hit where it mattered

[wild glacier]

but I'm a chaotic gremlin with people that know me xD

[ivory pond]

Idk I'm water in game

I shall never know

[floral talon]

burn bright little ember but do not burn out

[wild glacier]

aww

I had a lot of that sort of thing with Jina, I think. I felt like I related to a lot of her woes and then it hit me that I am kinda the same to the point where every time I see her I just wanna hug her and tell her to be kinder to herself.

Besides, if I thought she was a bother, I wouldn't be going out of my way to talk to her.

[floral talon]

me as a firetype seeing her being all im not a bother am i blab bla bla
an dim like girl get the point PLZZ XD i wanna ocntinue my quest ahhh

[wild glacier]

she's a sweet girl, sometimes you just need her to buckle in. xD

I did jokingly tell someone I wish I had a Hekla to remind me to eat and put on pants in the morning lol

[ivory pond]

I'd space bar fast forward her xd

Tbh I fast forward a lot of the convos xd

[floral talon]

how could u that ruins half the experience of a quest the other half being wlaking sim

[ivory pond]

More stuff to figure out cause I didn't listen

[long tapir]

ok so... i've been playing on an off for a long time and very out of the loop on the current best way to make money with crops. I don't like to use charts and plant lots of different crops, so I stick to only one. My go to is potatoes: plant'em, pickle'em, sell'em, and i keep some for eating. I am aware that at some point it, glow worm farms made some money (which i still use for any forage i don't need), but I don't think that's the best use for crops either. Read somewhere about planting cotton and selling the seeds, but one cotton makes 3 seeds, at 30 each for a total of 90... that's less that what i get from my pickled potatoes (1 potatoe, if pickled, is 102). So... yeah, what's currently the most lucrative crop?

[clear kindle]

bok choy seeds, either a full field of them with harvest boost fert on all of them or you can mix a few rice/wheat/corn into the mix to get the crop buff. this is a very tryhard layout though as it needs to be babysat, seeders i think can only hold 16 bok choy before it becomes full, and depending on your growth tic play time, you could wind up with more crop than crafters

[long tapir]

thanks, good to know!

[tepid cipher]

Ive tried out the seed maker bok choy/rice/wheat method and ended up with too many crops for my seed makers.. so looked up crops that only bring in a slight profit when processed for a straight up harvest - sell layout to go with for a bit. If anyone has a suggestion for a crop i should use instead lmk

[supple stone]

Best crop to sell without processing is still actually Bok Choy!
What gardening level are you? Because if you have preserve jars (from level 8), Bok Choy preserves are still better profit than most other crops, but easier on the crafters.
If that's still too much for the crafters you have, then can work out something else
In that layout, I would swap half of the corn for rice/wheat and half the cabbage for potato/tomato for better buff coverage btw

[severe python]

Does anyone know how to grow Non star Crops?? i plant and i dont havw any Quality Increases but i ONLY get Stared and i keep running out of non stared food for cooking

[supple stone]

After a certain level (25 if using starred seeds, 38 if using unstarred seeds) it is impossible to get unstarred crops
However, starred crops can be used for cooking. If you click on 'use starred ingredients', it will try to use only starred ingredients. If you have starred stuff you want to save (for example, starred Dari Clove, Heat Root, Flowtato, etc), you can put these in your lockbox. If the recipe sees no starred version of something, it will pull from the unstarred stuff in your storage (or inventory)

[severe python]

my locked box is at Max lmao (im a horder) im tryna make non stared food for the new bundle thing rn as im not sure if stared versons of the items would work

but ah ok so there is no way for me to get unstared crops basiclly

[ivory pond]

They work

[supple stone]

Starred food can be submitted for the bundle

[ivory pond]

Same way when a quest asks for a regular fish/crop/bug etc. You can also submit starred

[severe python]

ah okay good to know, thank you

[wild glacier]

Time for me to get more seeders and try to actually make money and not just pumpkin curry

The cottages are so expensive lol

I think I filled my plot with rice before I went to bed though. I feel like I had a reason, but now I cant remember what

[supple stone]

For cooking parties maybe?

[narrow thicket]

is that a bug? This apple tree has 1 rice and 1 blueberrybush around but didn't get the buff for harvest increase? All other apple trees have this buff! But another one don't have water retain, although there a 3 potatos around?! xD i only get 16 apples instead of 24. Replant doesn't change anything

[supple stone]

The bottom edge of the apple tree doesn't quite look in-line with the bottom of the bush to me?
Maybe try moving the soil plot and moving it back to see if it snaps into place properly?

[narrow thicket]

i had test it before, also change 2 of the apple trees, its always the same that doesn't get the buff. For the blueberry bush its the same...

but i will test it again

[supple stone]

I don't really know otherwise

When you say you tested it before,what have you done though? Have you moved all of the soil plots a few metres to one side individually? Trying to snap them to each other?

[narrow thicket]

ah you see the blueberry bush at the screen? thats the one. And the potatos are on the same field! so i can't change the position

a wait my fault xD thats the one that doesnt the harvest boost also

nevermind, still i have the problem

[sly skiff]

Hi everyone! I have a question! So i was looking at the layouts for bok choy. And saw this one (see pic). Placing the wheats right next to each other like this, won't that mean that they're not getting the harvest boost? Cuz from what i read, the same type of crop can't give itself a boost, that's why the need for rice, no?

[supple stone]

Each one is still next to a wheat and getting the harvest boost from that

[sly skiff]

sorry, I'm esl and maybe I didn't say it right. I meant the wheat giving the wheat next to it the HB buff

[supple stone]

The only reason you shouldn't be able to move it is if a 2x2 or apple tree is over 2 different soil plots...but that doesn't appear to be the case for you from what I can see?

[supple stone]

You highlighted 2 rice. But each rice is next to one wheat, each wheat is next to 2 rice. They only need to be next to 1 of a crop to get the buff as they are only single tile crops

[sly skiff]

oh oh, I get it now! thank youuu! ❤️

and I'm sorry, I keep getting the icon for wheat and rice mixed up 😭

[supple stone]

All good haha

[narrow thicket]

puuh now i fixed it completly! Thank you :D one field wasnt in line, as you said. I redone all and now it is workling :D

[supple stone]

Excellent! Glad it is working 🙂

[austere bronze]

I'm planning on using this; I'm not level 25, I assume it'll just be less profitable until I get to 25?

[floral talon]

yeay cuz ur star chance is lower but its all good if u dont wanna bother with quality up

[sly skiff]

did anyone do the math on how many seed machine and preserve jars one needs for this layout?

[floral talon]

yes

which planner do u even use?

[sly skiff]

using try hard bok choy

#🌱│gardening message

ren said to preserve the rice and wheat, and I just unlocked preserve jars so I was wondering how many machines i need all together

[floral talon]

ok so settings in gardenplanner
use hte layout select it so ur lv25
go to crops select what u wanna do with em and up the one with the slowest time till u run out of creafters uw anna dedicate to crop processing

[sly skiff]

thank youu, I didn't know I could do that in the planner

[tepid cipher]

i play so much i always end up with more crops than i can process since it takes many many hours for the machines to do their thing. so i just end up with an overload of crops no matter what, though i could always just stop tending to the gardens until the machines are done processing. i've got like 10+ seed processors :P

[floral talon]

how much do u play how many crafters and u using any for not processing gardening

[tepid cipher]

sometimes up to several hours, and i have a cap of like maybe 20 machines and are using every slot for processing crops. still ending up with more than i can process

[floral talon]

gotto unlokc those extra 10 machines for sure

[tepid cipher]

just seems like the machines take way to long to process goods for really no reason, 20-30mins would be reasonable but some taking up to an hour for each is just crazy

[floral talon]

yeay but htey keep processing even when not online
but u can have like 50% mroe machines

[supple stone]

Yeah, I'm with Duh. You want to unlock more crafter slots.

[paper rain]

Is Speed-Grow working? I haven’t tried it in over a year, before it was removed from the worm farms and back then it was glitchy.
I wanna get some for blueberry bushes, if it’s working now, how does it work exactly?

[clear kindle]

never fixed it, we don't recommend using it as it glitches with harvest boost which is far more important

[paper rain]

FFFFF someone else said it did and I just used it 😭

[paper rain]

How does it glitch with harvest boost?

[paper rain]

Ugh great. Thanks for the info 💜

[clear kindle]

i think that's why they moved it to the garden guild store, it's now only needed for one quest

[lilac prism]

This might be a dumb question.. but are the weeds while gardening just annoying, or are they actually detrimental to the garden/plants?

[floral talon]

they stop growing and if u got to many nothing will grow

[lilac prism]

Got it, ty!

[quick mist]

Where can I find Dari in Bahari? Is it a low spawn rate? Or is it a higher rotation than Heartdrop?

[quick mist]

Thank you Duhscape! A friend just asked me about this.

[quick mist]

what if we fed Epic or Legendary food to Ommuru for a low RNG GroFerilizer? That'd be cool.

[clear kindle]

grow fert has been broken for a long time, i doubt at this point s6 would bother fixing it. would also wonder if we would even use it in planning gardens, honestly

[lean birch]

haven't really touched my crops in months... does anyone have an updated "money making" layout?

[floral talon]

they do not have staff that CAN fix it

[clear kindle]

if you're solely into money making, bok choy to seed, either 81 bok choy with harvest boost fert or mix in a few rice/wheat/corn to get the bok choy harvest boosted. it's a hard layout to work with as you have to babysit it to water and weed, and it takes a lot of seeders to keep it going if you're online for long periods of time

[clear kindle]

fair

[lean birch]

I used to have a good ol' bok choy layout, i'll have to find it

[paper rain]

So far it’s been working as intended!

[grim osprey]

I want to move my garden plots to another home plot , but I can't because they're tilled. Do I have to wait for the tilled tiles to disappear or is there another way? TIA

[quick mist]

Wait I have been buying those. Is it actually glitched?

[paper rain]

It’s been working fine for me so far 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hollow gyro]

you thinkin like i did the other day making sure the plot waters itself and takes out all the weeds itself too while i'm out adventuring 😂

[supple stone]

As Sylva said, best for money is full Bok Choy with full harvest boost fertiliser.
Other high profit layouts are included here #🌱│gardening message
A bunch of them are water/weed proof so a bit less work, as the cost of a bit less profit

[supple stone]

No other way, they will be un-tilled 48 irl hours after you last tilled them

[karmic bluff]

Something weird is going on with my fertiliser, I am putting on both harvest boost and quality boost, but I'm getting unexpected results. For example, quality boost only giving harvest boost. Harvest and quality giving me weed prevention and water retention. I only use the fertiliser frm the worm and glow worm farms. Any ideas why I am seeing this?

[supple stone]

You can only pu on one type of fertiliser at a time. When you put on a different type of fertiliser, all the old fertiliser is returned to you
But you also get buffs from the crops themselves - a potato will give water retain to any other crop around it (that isn't also a potato). Larger crops need more of each buff to activate it though, 2 for 2x2s and 3 for an apple tree
Does that help explain what's going on?
If not, may need a screenshot of the layout with the buffs showing

[karmic bluff]

Oh, I wondered what was going on. I thought I was just being lucky. Well, one of my apple trees now has 28 quality boost on it...

[supple stone]

All this means is that there is 28 fertiliser stored on it. It can have up to 99 on it.
The amount doesn't increase the buff, it just allows the tree to take the 9 fert it needs each day.
Also, the way harvest boost and quality up buffs work, if you don't have the buff present for one day, you could end up not having the buff trigger - in the first 12 days of growth to the first harvest, if you have 6 days of quality up fert, you have 6/12 so 50% chance of the buff triggering

[karmic bluff]

Ah, now if I plant a star crop, do I just harvest boost it?

[supple stone]

Star quality chance:
25% base chance + 25% if a star seed + 50% if quality up buff + 2% per gardening level
I only bothered with quality up for the first few levels, then when I realised I wasn't getting the full 50% boost it seemed less efficient and I wanted the other buffs instead.
(And honestly, Harvest boost is always the best imo - 50% extra yield is HUGE)

[karmic bluff]

thanks I will do that from now on

[true phoenix]

Last time i needed help with creating a layout for beans and pumpkins prioritly, turns out im running out of apples as well... is there a way to add them somewhere to the layout?

[fossil folio]

Currently Gardening level 46 using harvest boost fertilizer. Is there a big difference between using starred seeds versus regular?

For example: I forgot to make spicy pepper seeds and I don’t want to wait 1.5 hours for them to finish. Am I losing out on anything by just buying one from Zeki?

[slow flame]

Can I have soil on two different plots? As in.... My 3x3 weed plot on my storage plot so I don't have to look at it and the rest on my main plot...?

[manic meteor]

Mhm you can divide your soil onto different plots if you like.

[slow flame]

Thank you 🙏

[neat vortex]

Weed plots are really not recommended unless you can commit to interacting with the garden (i.e, harvesting something) absolutely every time before you log off. Having 9 weeds accumulated will make your crops regress in growth stages, otherwise @_@

[neat vortex]

At level 38 and above, the chance for starred crops is 100% with unstarred seeds. So you can freely use any unstarred seeds you acquire (from your kitsuu, from gathering beans in EW, from lucky boxes, etc. etc.) and you'll get all starred crops no matter what.

[mint sandal]

Idk about integrating it in that layout, but I do have an everything garden I made that has 2 apple trees and 6 bushes. You can replace the blueberries with beans and the pepper with pumpkin, so you'd end up with 4 beans and 2 pumpkins. The layout is also 100% water/weedblock and needs 18 ferts for 100% harvest boost
#🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

Is possible ask me a later time

[violet quiver]

Has anyone heard of any news on the lettuce they gave us a while back?

They gave seeds and I grew them, but they're not used for anything in my understanding

[fossil folio]

Thanks!

[floral talon]

no news

[austere bronze]

Hello Palians! To those who use 100% weedblock/100% water, how do you know when its time to harvest? I've been trying to track but not doing it very well and end up missing 2-3 in game days of harvesting my apples xD

[clear kindle]

apples are available at 12,6,6,6 growth tics, apple trees are harvestable when they have fruit on the trees.

[rancid karma]

is there a way to give other players flowers outside of the request system?

[hoary surge]

quick question see your soil plots do they need to be connected for the effects of the crops to work on each other?

[clear kindle]

yes they need to be snapped together to get the buffs

[hoary surge]

ok tyty

[upper gorge]

how do you remove crops ? i tried using my hoe but that did nothing lol

oh wait i figured it out xD it’s right click, not left click

[steel ore]

Are there different growth rates based on what garden plans you use?

[supple stone]

Not based on the garden plan as such, but each crop has a specific growth time, counted in growth ticks.
Every 6am in-game, if you were online in the past hour, you get a growth tick.
So basically, it's based on how much you are on and the crops you are growing

[steel ore]

Ahhh so that is the problem. I haven't been able to log on a ton.

[steel ore]

@floral talon Do you have a screenshot of your everything garden layout? I can't find it. 😭

[floral talon]

which one?

[steel ore]

I'm looking through your messages atm. It's the one with all crops but cotton. It has atleast 1 of each 4x4 crop and one apple tree.

I found it! I'm pretty sure you're the one that made this or pointed it out to me.

[twilit tinsel]

I spent 2 hours making a 100% water retain and 100% harvest boost farm with 2 apple trees and 4 harvest boost bushes but it crashed and deleted I want to cry if anyone has one I’m to lazy to re make that

There’s this one but my new one was better icl

That one isn’t mine btw!

[wise lava]

Can you use both quality fertilizer and harvest boost fertilizer on crops at the same time?

[floral talon]

YOU called

[steel ore]

Yesss that's another of your good layouts!!

[wispy girder]

eyy everybody, what should I do with rice? I have like 261 starred rice

[twilit tinsel]

Bean burgers

Oh wait nvm I’m going crazy

[wispy girder]

I'm unsure if I put them in my worm farm, if I just sell them

[desert berry]

Hey Guys, I'm new to the discord and I'm trying to max out profits for Gardening. I bought the max 9 soil plots and I'm just trying to figure out which Star Crops are best for preserving and selling or if I can just grow certain star crops and sell them after harvest

[drifting onyx]

uhhh what! when did we get lettuce?

ooh i googled, it was an accidental reward XD. so ill just hold onto it XD

[supple stone]

I have one using 3 apple trees and 6 bushes here #🌱│gardening message though probably not what you're looking for.
Having issues with the search bar rn so can't find other better layouts for you. However, I think you could easily adapt some of Astrea Moreno's everything layouts. She has a compilation post which I would link if my search was working. Try searching 'list of my best layouts' in this channel and you should find it.

[supple stone]

Definitely hold onto it! Can't get it now haha

[drifting onyx]

i use this one! https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.HC.HBkPTPAAA-B.HB.HSB.HB.HSBkPBk.H-SP.HT.HSBkCPBtBt-AAAAAABtBtC-OCbORCrWCbOCb-TBtBtAAAAAA-BtBtBkPTPmBk.HC.HPm-P.HBkPPmB.HB.HPmB.HB.H-AAABkCBkPT.HP.H_D180GtL75Cr0.PS-CbP-BkS-OP-CP-AP-BtS-BP-PmP-SP-RS-CrP-WS-TP

[supple stone]

First off, welcome!
I wish my search was working, as there is a great post by Ren I'd link you to...
But basically, always process your crops if you can. It always boosts your profit.
Best for profit is Bok Choy seeded > potato seeded > Bok Choy preserved > rice seeded > tomatoes preserved.
You will need heavy crafter slot investment if you play a decent amount and do Bok Choy though.

Max profit is a full layout of Bok Choy with full harvest boost fertiliser and manual watering and weeding. It's very labour intensive and not the right layout for many people.
There is a link with a bunch of good layouts, but my search is being funny so can't link it =/

[supple stone]

Yeah, she has a bunch of good layouts 🙂

[tribal musk]

hi how many grounds can i have? i go to the store but said i already have all there is a limit? or can i buy more?

[frigid forge]

Mines limited at 9 as well

[clear kindle]

9 is the max

[tribal musk]

ohh ok u_u

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's mine
#🌱│gardening message

I also revised it not long ago and squeezed in a few more grain tiles
#🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Bit late but here it is
@twilit tinsel
I have a 2 apples and 6 bushes layout in there as well as a 2 apples and 4 bushes. You can just replace the quality up bushes with hb bushes in that last one if the 6 bushes doesn't suit you
#🌱│gardening message

[upper gorge]

is this a known glitch? my harvest boost fertilizer never disappears xd idk if it still works, or if it's just a visual glitch ?

[neat vortex]

If you Examine the soil plots (G on PC, Y on Xbox controller, dunno about otherwise) it should show you how many units of harvest boost fertilizer are on each tile.

It does stay in the soil between plantings if it wasn't consumed completely during the plant's lifespan (except for multi-tile crops, which pull fertilizer out of the soil when they are planted)

If it's absolutely NEVER decreasing, it's probably because it was on a crop that was planted next to another crop that gives the Harvest Boost buff (probably rice, wheat, or corn, looking at the pattern on your garden there). The companion planting buff takes priority over the same-buff fertilizer, so the fertilizer will just sit in the soil and not be consumed.

[austere bronze]

Do plants growth slow down/stop when you log off?

[manic meteor]

They will grow one more growth tick while offline.

[austere bronze]

Aaah okay, thank you 🙂

[deft pivot]

hii 😄 what can i do with bok choy to get most money out of it ? 😄

[clear kindle]

seed it

[deft pivot]

oki 😄 ty 😄

[wise lava]

Can you use both quality fertilizer and harvest boost fertilizer on crops at the same time?

[clear kindle]

not fertilizer, no. you can only have one fert type on a crop at a time. however, you can get both buffs on a crop through companion planting. by placing a crop next to both a harvest boost crop (rice, wheat, corn, blueberries, apples or beans) and a quality up crop (peppers, pumpkins, or cotton) you can get both buffs on the one crop. likewise, you can place a crop next to one of the aforementioned crops you can use the other fertilizer to get the buff as well.

[twilit tinsel]

Thank you sm!

[hot aspen]

what stuff would be the best to plant if i wanna make money? im trying to plan out a garden

[floral talon]

Think beans

[blissful shoal]

not sure if this is gardening related, but I only noticed now that the young flow birch tree I'm growing has autumn colors. the regular version doesn't

[coarse vapor]

your profile layout is so cute

[floral talon]

Wut

[blissful shoal]

trees in our plot don't usually get the autumn leaves colors. but this flow birch did for some reason

[floral talon]

Did u plant it later or

[upper gorge]

ohh okay, yeah i planted my bok choy next to rice, so that’s what it is. thank you!

[twilit tinsel]

Most profitable farm is probably just 9 star quality apple trees with harvest boost fertiliser no?

[severe flower]

Are you talking about making more worms?

[twilit tinsel]

Nah more money 👀

[severe flower]

Apple jams

[twilit tinsel]

Yea thought so thank you

Crafting licenses are so expensive man I need like 5 more preserve jars 😭

[severe flower]

You can sell seeds too

[twilit tinsel]

Yea I do I think there’s a chart somewhere for what crops to sell as seeds

[blissful shoal]

nope, it has been there for some time now as a decor, I don't grow it. but I checked my other plot where I grow my flow trees, only the young birch flow trees are turned like that. its next stage gets green leaves again

[hot aspen]

Thank uu

[floral talon]

No

[floral talon]

They should all turn fall cuz fall but uhm palia being palia

[twilit tinsel]

What is it then? :0

[floral talon]

Bokchoi beans potato if turned into seeds

[twilit tinsel]

Cool thank you! :3

[inland radish]

I was looking to tranfer my garden from one plot to another, and it says the ground cannot be tilled for me to move it. Any recomendations on getting the soil plots to go back to dirt quickly??

[supple stone]

There is nothing you can do to un-till the plots quickly I'm afraid.
It un-tills 48 real life hours after it was last tilled

[floral talon]

Definitly place stuff down tgat dont take all week to grow xd

[neat vortex]

Why the beans?

[floral talon]

nvm beans are on the lower end now sigh i thought they adleast be mid

[slow flame]

@supple stone Hey, that bullseye layout you helped me with the other day is working really well (thank you again for that). But I had one further doubt about it. The layout only requires 4 Harvest Boost at the potatoes in the corners, right? I was wondering, would there be any benefit to using Quality Boost fertilizers on the rest of the crops?

[clear kindle]

depends on your level, if you're level is around 18+ you're going to be getting star crops from star seeds (86% chance) anyways. if over level 25 you will only get star crops from star seeds. if you're closer to level 38 you will only be getting star crops from any type of seed. star or reg. it's why mid-late game layouts usually don't have any quality up crops unless they are an everything layout

[slow flame]

Oh wow, wish the game would've told me that. Thank you , that's super helpful

[clear kindle]

yeah, gardening i believe is the only skill that gives bonuses to what you do with the skill. the math works out that if you are using star seeds you have a starting chance of getting 50% star crops from them, then it's a +2% for every level in gardening that you have

[slow flame]

Oh so you mean gardening level, not character. Understood

[clear kindle]

yeah, gardening level

[slow flame]

Thank you for the clarification

[true basin]

Looking for the best layout to maximize gardening XP. I'm at 40 and I want to get to 50 in an efficent way!

[floral talon]

everything is same xp per grwothtick per tile so something that keeps growing when u play or makes u keep at it

[true basin]

What about like amount of XP per growth time? Or is it that even?

[floral talon]

growhtticks is when the plants grow
everything is the same xp per itlesize per grtowthtick unless u do weird thigns like only harvest an apple tree once before replanting but th en the apple tree is less xp so why do that

[true basin]

ohh interesting

ok good to know, tysm!!

[floral talon]

i use a afk lazy apple farm cuz otherwise i stop btohering with gardening to much effort

[neat vortex]

Beans as seeds are better than apples per tile per growth tick when you take replanting costs into account

[floral talon]

apples are just not good for money but such low effort

[neat vortex]

They are still middling though (apples move down below beans due to replanting)

[neat vortex]

Yeah, lol, the set-and-forget is their main virtue

while still being okay for gold

[wispy girder]

eyy people, I'm using a "everything" layout and I was wondering how correct are these numbers? Like will it really take 60 days to harvest everything and it'll give 1.5kk?

(this is the link btw)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkRTC.HTRBkP-AAAAAAAAA-RPBk.HCT.HCBkPR-BBTBBRPBkCr-ORCbBkWPPRBk-CBtBtRBtBtCrPBk-T.HCRS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.HP.H-CbROOWCbCbRO-RTC.HP.HPm.HPm.HBk.HPm.HPm.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BP-SP-RS-BkS-CP-PmP-BtS-PS-CbP-WS-CrP-TP-OP

[neat vortex]

So, the 60 days is an arbitrary number: it's just how long you want the planner to run the simulation for, basically, so you can set it to any number you want.

The planner simulates the garden output with the assumption that for those 60 growth ticks you always tend, harvest, and replant exactly on time.

For example, when your rice, bok choy, and carrots are ready after 3 growth ticks (assuming they were properly tended/not delayed by weeds or anything), then you pick them immediately and put new seeds down to replace them. (And then you do that with every crop.)

At the end of those 60 days, that total is the predicted value of ALL the crops produced from the layout during that time as long as the conditions are met (minus crops held back to make the seeds for replanting)

You can find more details on how the planner calculates everything in the ℹ️ pane

You can also tell the planner how you plan to process each crop before selling it (seeds or preserves) and it will use the processed value in its calculations instead of the raw value

[novel yacht]

What do i plant simply to sell or preserve then sell?

[supple stone]

Always want to at preserve or seed, it boosts profit considerably.
If you're looking for max profit, you want Bok Choy with harvest boost. Best profit is seeding it, but it does better than almost any other crop when preserved too.
For most convenience, you'd want apple trees and preserve the apples. Again, ideally harvest boost buff on them.
I also tend to recommend having a layout that is water and weed proof for convenience, lets you do more other stuff each hour

[hot aspen]

im having a really hard time figuring out how i wanna put crops in my farm i feel like i choose a hard farm layout to get it good

[long tapir]

ok so... the good news is that seeders can hold more than 16 bok choy seeds. But I'm going to need an explanation on how those are more profitable than what I was doing with the pickled potatoes, because the bok choy seeds still sell for less, and have an extra day of growth?

[floral talon]

Nah its ez

[supple stone]

Bok Choy grow in 3 days, Potatoes in 5. So the profit per day of growing is higher for Bok Choy despite the sell price being slightly lower per seed.
Bok Choy seeds work out at something like 20% more profit than Potato seeds over time.

[supple stone]

It is a bit harder like this for sure, as there are more corners and edges, which make getting a variety of buffs harder.
Ren does have a linear layout that's somewhat similar if you'd like me to find and link it for you for inspiration?

[long tapir]

oh i must have confused the grow time with something else, sorry

[supple stone]

All good 🙂

[neat vortex]

Oh, I think I can help with this! I use a very similar layout

as Cysruleon mentioned lol

[neat vortex]

Do you absolutely need that third apple on the exact end, or could it scoot in one?

[floral talon]

Dont place that apple on the end as u cant give it many buffs then if not 0

[hot aspen]

that would be nice ☺️

[hot aspen]

I wanted to put the trees in like each corner bcs i liked how it looked But maybe i should just put something else there

currently this is all ive put down on my farm in game, idk if its "good" but i just really need apples and blueberries rn

[floral talon]

nvm if ur also doing 2x2s in a astrip layout im not gona make that

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message - Ren's linear garden. If you need more help with planning it, let us know. Reckon Ren's probably about to sleep now else I'd consider tagging him haha

[floral talon]

there u go and now u notice why poeple dont do that much cuz they are super complicated and force fert usage

[hot aspen]

i usually just use the fert to get star quality crops as thats what i want

[floral talon]

not lv 25 yet?

[supple stone]

What gardening level are you?
Star quality chance increases with your level, to the point that if you are level 25 you are guaranteed star crops if using starred seeds, and at 38 you get starred crops even with unstarred seeds.
Even at level 10, you have a 70% chance of star quality crops with starred seeds

[hot aspen]

no, im lvl 17

[supple stone]

So you have a 84% chance of starred crops

Without quality up buff (if using starred seeds)

[floral talon]

i mean harvest boost is +50% more produce so its better then more quality chance which is already at like 85% or something fo ru anyways

[hot aspen]

so i should use harvest boost fert instead?

[floral talon]

yes

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11111-10001-00001-00001_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OCbB.HBkPB.HPCb.HO-B.HCb.WB.HB.HP.WB.HBkCb.HBk-B.HCbOB.HPBkOCb.HP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbPOBkCr.HBkO.HPCb.H-OPCbBkCr.HBkCbPO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkCbPCr.HPCb.HBkO.H this is the link of the layout i made ya it got stuff marked wiht fert if it dont have tha tbuff naturally

[manic meteor]

New milestone for me

[supple stone]

Oh damn, gg!

[mint sandal]

Whoa!

[vernal prawn]

Am I supposed to place fertilizer on crops at every stage or just at the end? It disappears constantly, and when I examine the finished crops, it doesn't show any fertilizer. I feel like I'm just wasting it.

[floral talon]

it consumes one per growthtick per tile
and if somehow more its ab ug

[pale reef]

It needs fertilizer at every stage/every in-game day. You can stack more than one so it has a supply to pull from, instead of actually applying 1 per day manually

[floral talon]

i mean if u gotto baby sit it it kinda ruins the point

[topaz crow]

Hi all! Sorry to rehash stuff people already talked about but I am also trying to max profit -- I am confused though: if Bok Choy is 30g, but seeds are 15g, how is it better to seed BC?

[neat vortex]

4 seeds per bok choy :D

[neat vortex]

Thank you, lol, I was indeed falling asleep and forgot to dig up that post

[neat vortex]

I also really love the look of the trees in the corners :) I use a linear layout despite the high fertilizer requirements because I get lost in the Garden Cube lol

[crude mulch]

What do you guys think about this? I wanna make preserves (And I don't wanna water and weed)

[floral talon]

No harvest boost but simple pattern

[crude mulch]

I'm trying something to be afk

[pale reef]

Bok choy and potatoes are both better seeded as well (for max profit if selling)

[neat vortex]

I'd swap in tomatoes instead of the cabbage if your aim is making money, and definitely would weave in some rice (or corn if you want to stick with mostly preserves)

Lemme find an option for that

[neat vortex]

Assuming you seed the bok choy & potatoes and jar the onions and cabbage, with no fertilizer, this pulls in 3,084g per growth tick (assuming starred seeds and all starred crops; ymmv with your gardening level)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PCbPBkOBkPCbP-CbPCbOBkOCbPCb-PCbPBkOBkPCbP-BkOBkPCbPBkOBk-OBkOCbPCbOBkO-BkOBkPCbPBkOBk-PCbPBkOBkPCbP-CbPCbOBkOCbPCb-PCbPBkOBkPCbP_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

Tomatoes (jarred) bumps it up to 3,124g/tick
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTPBkOBkPTP-TPTOBkOTPT-PTPBkOBkPTP-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-OBkOTPTOBkO-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-PTPBkOBkPTP-TPTOBkOTPT-PTPBkOBkPTP_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

You can also adjust the pattern a little bit to emphasize bok choy (and to a lesser extent potatoes), since, strictly speaking,
ABAB
CDCD
ABAB
CDCD
alternation is redundant; instead you can do:
ABA ABA
CDC CDC
ABA ABA
ABA ABA
CDC CDC...
etc.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk-BkOBkPTPBkOBk_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP
This bumps it to 3,420g/tick, although 36 bok choy is A LOT of bok choy...

Now for the shock: replacing HALF of the bok choy with corn (which isn't even the highest-revenue grain crop - that's rice) brings the layout all the way up to 4,275g per tick — without fertilizer.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk-BkOCrPTPCrOBk_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP
+50% yield is no joke

And 29 units of fertilizer in nice, easy diagonals (plus the 2 spare corners) brings it up to 4,841g per tick, minus 145g in fertilizer costs, or 4,696g per tick.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.HOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk-BkOCr.HPT.HPCr.HOBk.H_D180GtL50Cr0.C.P-CP-R.S-RS-Bk.S-BkS-O.P-OP-TP-W.S-WS-P.S-PS-Cr.P-CrP-Bt.S-BtS-S.P-SP-Cb.P-CbP-Pm.P-PmP-B.P-BP-AP

[neat vortex]

Also just shoving corn into your original layout in the same pattern (diagonal corners on each soil plot), without making any other changes, pulls it up to 4,064g/tick without fertilizer

Again, assuming all starred crops, ofc, so that might be lower depending on your gardening level - but if you have preserves jars unlocked, you're already at level 8 at least and are getting 66% or higher starred crops without the quality up buff (if you are using all starred seeds, which you should be)

[neat vortex]

Er, to explain all that rambling... I'm not arguing that the diagonal-corn thing makes for an IDEAL layout or anything, but I just got really curious about how much of a difference small changes could make!

[clever blade]

Has there been any changes with the latest patch? Since my apples all the sudden is geting weeds, even tho i have onion and bok choy next to it. Ive had the same layout for months, not any weeds before!?

what the flip 🙁

[floral talon]

teach me ur ways

[clever blade]

someone else in here made the layout that i use, this one

its the best ❤️

hoping ive done something wrong to cause the weeds. Will see tomorrow 🫣

[floral talon]

u may ahve harvested hte weedblock during growthtick so harvested growthtick apples get weed replant

[clever blade]

maybe something like that 🤔

[upper gorge]

how on earth do i flip this to match the others? 😭

[winged grove]

Same, with weeds, and then things that have water retention aren't retaining water

[supple stone]

You have to rotate the soil plot it is on, which can be annoying when things are growing on it as you will often upset the layout

[upper gorge]

ahh okay. tysm! <3

[crude mulch]

I'm using this one now but instead of tomatoes I'm using cabbages

[untold rune]

How many times do i have to do fertilizer? 🙂