・theorycrafting

[twin crest]

Where can I find spreadsheets of characters ?

[elder cliff]

try asking in #・tc-lounge first, have you?

[twin crest]

sorry

[austere thicket]

Can you proc Fischl's C6 with charged atk/elemental skill/burst hits?

[devout cliff]

NA

[robust hatch]

About tighnari's bow, does the charge atk passives also work on childe as well?

[cedar zodiac]

@knotty oyster

[tidal cypress]

is there a tc for king's squire on ganyu

[lament patrol]

Anyone have calculation about quicken/aggravate/spread dmg?

[keen cradle]

Quick Dendro Guide from Kusanali Mains
https://tinyurl.com/DendroGuide

[steady beacon]

can you have two characters with Timber Blade and stack both their buffs on one character?

[torn bobcat]

If you’re trying to go for a reverse melt burn comp and you’re using a consistent dendro applicator/bennet/rosaria/ what are your options for the 4th? It seems like a flex slot

Thank you

[tepid pendant]

Do I still need EM on my Keqing if I want to deal high Aggravate dmg?
I literally have 0 EM on her

[west talon]

Does nilou absolutely need a dendro to be good?

I heard her passive buffs dendro blooms

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[west talon]

That would be kind of a bummer because she would go into a very niche category tbh and as a five star I would expect her to be more flexible
(Cough Gorou cough)

[crimson compass]

the bot message please

[pine ivy]

We haven’t seen her full kit yet

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[woeful stag]

Probably most likely through sub stats and external buffs this since aggravate bonus does gain a great increase, around 400 since that's when aggravate em buff is at its peak

Aggravate (Electro being the trigger)
-1664 at 0 EM
-2853 at 200 EM
-3744 at 400 EM
-4437 at 600 EM
-4992 at 800 EM
-5446 at 1000 EM

Better than attack sands I doubt but that'll most likely depend on sub stats

[woeful stag]

We don't know her full kit yet bestie, most likely to unlock her full potential

Despite me leaving you at level 20 for all eternity, you deserve better than getting ignored Hu Tao

[crimson compass]

omg so quirky. Please practice self awareness

[woeful stag]

Why can't I react with emotes 🗿

[woeful stag]

[devout cliff]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game.

[hot rivet]

Sorry

[digital tiger]

Hey guys what y'all think of the gilded dreams set? Who might a good user for this?

[devout cliff]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game.

[humble tiger]

i guess there must be nothing fruitful in the game as there's never any actual discussion here

[woeful stag]

I'll might as well answer it I guess

[woeful stag]

Fischl and yae- based on WFP calcs it's better than 4pc tf, no surprise, but for Fischl, 2pc tf and 2pc attack is better, although keep in mind, as per usual with characters with no signature set, difference is so small just use which one has better stats.

Tig- although at higher em thresholds caused by external buffs or sub stats in general, wanderers can overtake. Also I've been seeing a lot of solo dendro calcs on Tig at WFP lately, and because it's solo dendro, deep wood would be better.

Other dendros (referring to collei and DMC), as solo dendro, 4pc deep wood would be better.

Yoimiya- in vape cuz witch domain is a bit annoying to farm and shimenawa's is too problematic.

Rosaria- in reverse melt, she's pretty flexible with her sets, so this will be an option, can probably be better than lavawalkers actually since there aren't much em buffs in a traditional Rosaria reverse melt (Rosaria, xiangling, bennett, Chongyun).

Xiangling- primarily in overvape teams, I doubt this set will over take emblem in vape (never even mention it if it's mono Pyro xiangling), overvape, I'm referring specifically to Raiden national because ER requirements there are lowered (there's also witch who I doubt glided will overtake but my argument to that is witch domain sucks).

Beidou- she's flexible with artifacts, same argument as Fischl.

[upbeat quiver]

Daaaang

I’m reporting back on my thundering fury superconduct shatter kazuha team

It sucks

[woeful stag]

[upbeat quiver]

Semi sound idea of using Chongyun to infuse kazuha normal attacks so he could trigger superconduct and get tf proc

Prob a better meme comp for physical kekqing or razor

Also the elemental gauge was waaay too fucking dank for me to optimize

[muted grotto]

Way ahead of you https://youtu.be/V_-5l8w9GGI

[plucky junco]

Has anyone compared the damage of melt ganyu with hunters path and amos bow?May I have a look at the calculation

[errant kettle]

hi, do we have somewhere a collection of the aura gauge unit resulting from dendro reaction?
Like burning bloom/seed reactions(or are like OL/SC no extra aura from the proc?)
Burning frequency of ticks of pyro ICD and if changes duration based on aura of pyro/dendro applied and their order
Seems like a very basic knowledge to have that is hard to access at moment
Thanks for your time!

[devout cliff]

You can head to Kusanali Mains in the channel Findings and Dendro-tc.

[errant kettle]

"kusanali mains" its another discord server?

[devout cliff]

yep

[errant kettle]

oh, got a link to it? weird we dont have some summary of that somewhere in pins here also

[grim mica]

https://tinyurl.com/DendroGuide

[devout cliff]

Here. It's not the same community
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiHpMudsrL5AhVNnaQKHYo7BIIQFnoECAQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.com%2Finvite%2Fkusanali&usg=AOvVaw1EbIUJH7xcA1MJ4ZL7DHPP

[errant kettle]

what do you mean its not the same?

[devout cliff]

You were asking why a link wasn't in the pins. Oh you meant the gauges and stuff ?

[errant kettle]

yes for gauges and stuff reaction with dendro about basic mechanics on aura and frequency

[devout cliff]

Yeah it would be nice to have a summary in #979373957255954522 but I guess the dendro guide from Kusa Mains is what most tcers use atm.

[errant kettle]

by the way on the seed reaction with electro/ pyro their dmg is electro/pyro (ruputre/dendro) but do they have inherent/self aura application? or are just like OL/SC reaction?

[grim mica]

All bloom related reactions deal dendro (no elemental application like sc or ol)

[errant kettle]

oh..they are even all dendro dmg.. totally missed that issue passed under my radar, thx again

[inner tusk]

Hello TC-ers of WFP

I have a query on a rather complicated rotation

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002460469044461568/1005501001287081984/unknown.png

I'm trying to get the highest possible melt Xiao nuke in coop

How would I go about with the rotation or why would be the best way to do this

Additional notes would be that I only have Lisa as shredder, so I'll be the one with Lisa and Xiao in the co-op

[hot rivet]

Are dendro reactions similar in dmg to overload? Definitely weaker than vape melt right?

[devout cliff]

I'd head to Xiao Mains server if I were you, you'll have a better chance of an answer

[inner tusk]

Fair I suppose

[devout cliff]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game.

[errant kettle]

Kinda need to be more careful with words also "melt nuke in coop" seems very eh eh eh
first of all benent + TTDS mona+ c4 jean(or meanwhile ZL) should be the max possible way on first view

but for real coop team dps all rest 3 are dead weight in party, 1 bennet and 3 xiao would do more dmg team wise
1 bennet 1 xiao with dps VV set and other 2 hyper elemental dps( some combo of ellectro+hydro and bennet with TF set) would be the max dmg i guess as team wide general dps

[inner tusk]

im planning on doing it via people joining and leaving coop

i have sorta of a sequence

[errant kettle]

what do u mean join and leaving? if u got mona and ZL u dont need others for "screen shot" damage showoff i guess

[inner tusk]

you know that one vid of xiao doing 3.21mil? yeah that

[errant kettle]

dont know the specific thing u mean but i guess yes -> damage per screen shot showoff yah
probably specific abyss lvl or bounty with weaknes to anemo

[inner tusk]

yeah bennet c6

[errant kettle]

ah that thing..eh

[ionic tusk]

Do we have any research about projectile speed and how could they affect the gameplay? (E.g. would every bow user have similar projectile speed, ...)

[pine ivy]

i think my question is more about dendro as an element, I've seen that there are lots of reactions for dendro and even just one element

I think the was a board with all the current and new reactions to come

[real steppe]

@safe solstice not the chat for this, read sticky msg

[pine ivy]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SUcDmc09jUBJGvvGlTUFgtO5Oa0FcuB-qLV13U0Vs1g/edit?usp=drivesdk
Will someone be kind enough to pre calc Team 9 Eula Rosaria Shenhe Zhongli with Dori in place of Zhongli with the same assumptions as what this sheet use so that we get a rough idea on what to expect from Dori in Eula teams

[pine ivy]

I was thinking about Dori on Favge and Exile but I am not an expert here so I might be wrong and there might be a better set than Exile to run there

Also because Dori will have energy regen it will affect the substat distribution on Eula as we can focus more on offensive subs now which is part of what made me interested
So if someone is interested in calcing this please ping me to discuss the assumptions on Dori and then see the results

[lofty wave]

i noticed your message and saw no reply idk if you got it but here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RMkCsQyht765JZlZSPPcbbwcwmcl-htd/edit#gid=847999601

[spark badger]

so, i have a bit of special lore for you guys today. i made this kazuha portriat, but his hair is

1. very frail and dying
2. long
   so as you can see, his hair is very long and dying. he is very sad because of this, which is why is expression is so upsetting. I think we can relate this bac k to khraniah becauyse every update keya loses a little hair, a lot like kazuiha here, and also he is eroding just like albedo.

[brave orchid]

Hi please read the floating bot message and posting right stuffs in right channels

[spark badger]

ohh ok i am sorry

[upbeat quiver]

Can you tc dendro comps here?

I have an idea for a burgeon quickswap team but it might be hard for me to tc it

[lapis oasis]

with what bloom dmg scales?

[torn ginkgo]

Can Yae's A4 benefit from Sucrose buff?

[sterile scarab]

Anyone got any idea about how good dendro and electro reactions actually going to be?

[edgy drum]

not the place for questions but yes, yae's sesshou sakuras do not snapshot so she can make use of them

[edgy drum]

depends on character, not the place for questions but you can take a look in #979373957255954522

[edgy drum]

elemental mastery, just as other transformative reactions

[sterile scarab]

K thanks, btw any idea why it's lock?

[edgy drum]

locked to tc author and staff to prevent misinformation on very technical dendro stuffs
you can still get a general feel for the question in #・tc-lounge, but #979373957255954522 is if you really wanna see what they have in depth

[sterile scarab]

Ah that's great thanks

[edgy drum]

np

i wanted some input on the actual mathematics of this sheet myself
did i miss anything or fuck anything up because 9/10 chance i probably did
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV7YfCnwm03-sfHOQvzdzLEufTmeKvzstjPMulpFmx0/edit#gid=1011578383

[soft drift]

Look at cell L5

*13 instead of *B13

Also your average dmg formula is long and can be simplified further

If u want to create a sheet that doesn’t need u to manually input formulas all the time, should use if statements

Though if u just want a sheet, there are alr calc sheets in kqm

[soft drift]

Just factorise dmg out and when expanding the inside u get

dmg(1+crit*critdmg)

[vestal arch]

wrong formula here, also redudant cell seperation for a decently simple formula

its just "(CharLevel + 100)/((CharLevel + 100)+ (EnemyLevel +100) * DEF Shred*DEF Ignore))

and since you dont seem to include those def shred values or functions in this sheet, this would suffice,

a good check is when character lvl = enemy lvl, with 0 def shred and ignore it should be 50% dmg reduction

[glacial patrol]

Does raiden work in dendro teams?

[edgy drum]

better for #・tc-lounge or have a look through #979373957255954522

[gaunt tangle]

Also does the new artifacts buff stacks ?? Like i.e yae and another party member equipping that same 4pc set??

[cloud imp]

How does spread/aggravate work with swirled elemental application?

[rugged spire]

Use the same formula just minus the Crit DMG% and Def modifiers

[tepid pendant]

Do I need to refarm my Keqing to get more EM so I can do high Aggravate dmg?
Or is it fine if I just stack EM on the dendro unit instead?

[cloud imp]

does the damage increase ignore enemy resistance?

[rugged spire]

If you plan to use aggravate you'll need some EM on her

[rugged spire]

No

[tepid pendant]

[cloud imp]

Huh, so the final damage is swirl_dmg + damage_increase * resistance_multiplier?

[rugged spire]

Yes

[cloud imp]

Thanks

[rugged spire]

No wait

Q: Does Aggravate buff Swirl?
A: Swirl electro damage is buffed by LevelMultiplier×1.15×[1+(5×EM)/(EM+1200)]×EnemyResMultiplier. In this case, the buff won't crit.

Q: What is flat damage?
A: Info on how flat damage affects outgoing damage: https://t.co/yciB1x3wEC

That's the formula

[cloud imp]

Ok so a slightly different formula for damage_increase

[rugged spire]

[runic hatch]

i have a question, would gilded dreams be a good option on Fischl ?

for aggravate teams

[rugged spire]

Yes

[runic hatch]

thank you

[pastel berry]

Which set will be best for fischl? New tf set or gilded dreams? I am aware there is nothing set and that things can only be confirmed once the game is out but im wondering if anyone has done some early maths on it.

[pastel berry]

Would you know if it beats tf?

[rugged spire]

that I do not know

though I think some of the people in #・tc-lounge might

[tepid pendant]

Is thundersoother better for aggravate? or is it 2pc thunder fury with a 2pc atk artif?

[rugged spire]

Thundersoother only works on enemies that have an electro aura and I don't think it's possible to have an electro aura on a quickened opponent.

[tepid pendant]

that reminds me the 4pc thunderfury was given additional descriptions does that apply to the dendro reactions as well?

[rugged spire]

yes

[upbeat quiver]

Yes even at 80% uptime TS is competitive with 4TF/4GD for aggravate units

[upbeat quiver]

It’s similar to frozen where you can have an underlying aura. You can have dendro OR electro under quicken

4P TS is Fischls bis in best case scenarios

[signal silo]

how much aggravate bonus do you get with 200 em?

[torn ginkgo]

Do we have math-sheets for Bloom's reactions?

[plucky junco]

tyvm， it helps me a lot

[grave delta]

I was wondering if we knew yet (tentatively know, based on beta) how Elements which react with Electro but not Dendro will react with the Quicken Electro + Dendro aura?

For example, if I am running Fischl + Yae who are constantly applying Electro but also a Geo/Cryo unit, will I be in danger of removing the Quicken aura?

[weak locust]

Ive heard Overload removes Intensify, so it might be the case

[devout cliff]

#・tc-lounge but no you'll just have a harder time to refresh since you need both electro and dendro

[fading saddle]

Can someone confirm if Quicken can coexist with Dendro, and if so, if applying Hydro with sufficient gauge units can trigger 2x Bloom?

[sterile scarab]

Anyone got any idea of dendro will going to be actually really good or not?

[torn ginkgo]

@grave delta
If cryo or freeze, and e-charged, overload too removes the aura, then what does it lead to? No aura - no buffs, no buffs - low dps. Then why is this shit necessary?
Except for puzzles.

[soft drift]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113J1xXIBVD0QxtGI4p-QxJLXFpCuQUTy-8Hzl4mCV0I/edit?usp=sharing
Updated my ERC, any feedback / issues given appreciated.

[humble tiger]

where do i add klee flat energy

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[humble tiger]

im tryna do mono pyro but got stuck https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZG-ynUbL6sPJKAc5Hd_pKTM9QoBk42bYZKsbVdQaFDM/edit?usp=sharing

it's also tricky cause first rotation has 2 klee E and 2nd rotation has 1 E

but i still got stuck calcing for 1 E anyway

[pearl latch]

Hallo I'd like to ask if anyone knows what thundering curry is

[muted grotto]

!!noir

[soft drift]

Haven’t added her A4( flat energy to team on crit) yet, once I add it it would be near the bottom of the sheet sadly
for now u can click on the + sign at the side and enter the amount of flat energy teammates get from the passive manually

[humble tiger]

wheres the + sign

[soft drift]

Plus sign at the left side to expand the sheet to fill in ER% buffs and other stuff

[humble tiger]

[soft drift]

• sign to hide it

As for the number of procs

U can use the cell formula

= Binom.Inv(number of crits, crit chance , chance of success(eg. 50% for avg number of procs))*2

For now , while I add Klee’s section when I update it

[soft drift]

As for this, would u like the sheet to show the ER % needed for further rotations?

Note that since it will like double the length of the sheet

[humble tiger]

yea i usually just record both seperately

so just 2 version of the calcs

1 for end game players 1 for lower lvl accounts

similar to xiao stuff

[soft drift]

Alr I’ll add a row for u to copy paste the other ER % values

[humble tiger]

i thought ur old sheet just had a extra flat energy section at the bottom

seemed fine

[soft drift]

It still does, just need to click on the + sign

[humble tiger]

oh

its kinda dank

is that where u would add xingqiu c6 and raiden burst too

[soft drift]

^ try this formula as a coping measure

[soft drift]

Nope , I’m adding character specific sections at the moment

Raiden is alr accounted for

And automated

[soft drift]

chose to hide it cos it makes the sheet look messy

Thxs for the feedback btw

[humble tiger]

no problem, it looks really detailed i just struggled to finish it

[soft drift]

We(me and some kqm members) actually plan to make it more detailed

Convert to Excel sheet to use solver for some cells

Lmk if any details here aren’t necessary

I’ll try cutting them out

[soft drift]

@humble tiger checked through the values and wanted to point out that Favonius didn’t trigger , looking at the 0 in the gray coloured cell

Also spotted a mistake with the additional E calculation, a mistake on my part

[humble tiger]

oh i can give u some references although zaks calc doesnt let multiple funnels for multiple skill uses

[soft drift]

Pls do

[humble tiger]

1 skill use, 3 charge atk crits

also 1 fav proc

1st rotation numbers

2nd rotation but with 4 charge atk crits, still only 1 fav proc

if i can get similar numbers to these in ur one it should be good

also i couldnt figure out where u set the enemy

and orb count

[soft drift]

That would be the plus sign to the left of the HP Threshold Particles section

[humble tiger]

oh i see. i think thats also a bit too dank

[soft drift]

Regarding Favonius, it’s calculates the number of procs and the chance to proc per hit

[soft drift]

And shows u the number of calculated procs in the gray cell

[humble tiger]

if i could give harsh feedback now it seems like this is way harder to use for the avg player like myself. rather its really for theorycrafter/spreadsheet ppl who can navigate things

also i think it would be a good idea to see er calcs for more generous energy situations. like having a setting for small aoe or mobbing

since people can also want to calc aoe style teams like freeze ganyu where it doesnt make sense to do single target energy

[soft drift]

Would it be a good idea to have several presets for different situations like the one u described?

And let the user choose which preset to use?

[humble tiger]

yeah if anything u can put it here theres empty space and its obvious

maybe u can do simplified settings, and then "advanced" settings with the + sign

for things like specific funneling

and other non basic stuff

would make the ui a lot easier

[soft drift]

Oh that as well

Alr I’ll work on it now since I’ve got some time

Thxs again

[humble tiger]

[soft drift]

Any suggestions for Aoe hp particles preset amount (clear orbs in 90s) and is 3 orbs ok in ST?

[humble tiger]

not sure i can't say

[soft drift]

Each mitachurl (big hilichurl) gives 2 orbs ,fatui mirror maiden gives 3 orbs , normal hilichurl gives 2/3 orbs

Bosses do tend to give 3 orbs + 1/3 orbs from death

So should be fine in ST

Still not sure about AOE

Maybe 4 orbs ?

[jolly hemlock]

will noblesse be good on collei?or dendro trav?

oop wrong chat

[wild haven]

don't you mean particles? orbs are the big ones

[soft drift]

Ok everything works

I do want to point out that

Kaz is funneling 50% of a fav proc in your sheet

To Klee

Which is weird u might want to tell zak

My numbers were all off till I did that

Lemme just reset some stuff

Done

[humble tiger]

theres not really any other way to do that on his sheet, which is why im interested in yours

there is only 1 direction u can go with funneling energy no matter how many skill uses or fav weapons u use

[soft drift]

Tbh some ppl have modded zaks one to include the specific funnelling percentage, actually got the idea from them

The main one I’m working on is the excel copy since it will allow the user to accurately account for rng particles for wtv % of success

Currently mine is abit scuffed, since Zak uses a different approach for rng particles that affects results slightly in a good way

[humble tiger]

i can send u a rotation if u want to test the exact results u get

maybe that can help calibrate things

in terms of being able to easily convert a rotation onto ur calc to get the er requirements

[soft drift]

Ah no need, my sheet slightly underestimates energy from rng particles , which I prefer over slightly overestimating it

Fyi

[humble tiger]

[soft drift]

That is why kqm tcers and I want to move to excel so it’s exact

Kinda hard though

[brisk rampart]

Wasn't really sure where to ask this but is Hunter's Path going to be better than Amos on Ganyu?

[lavish forge]

is swap time usually considered for team calc rotation ? what is a good estimate?

[devout cliff]

There is no consensus but most of the time we don't really take it into account as sometimes you can just swap-cancel sometimes not. Either way team sheets are mainly meant for internal comparisons so this degree of accuracy is not that impactful in my opinion

[lavish forge]

people do use calcs and sims to compare dps of different teams
but I actually wanted to make sure the rotation is optimal(buffs etc) without recording gameplay

[devout cliff]

Yep in those cases it's more significant but you usually do the same number of swaps at the same time so it doesn't affect it that much in practice.
I wouldn't worry if I were you some calcs don't even use frames and just use some approximation as it shouldn't affect the optimality of the gears that much

[austere thicket]

Has there been any dps comparison between fischl and yae in aggravate comps?

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[jolly hemlock]

will the new 3.0 craftable sword be good on xinqiu or will amenoma still be better?

[devout cliff]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ).

[willow void]

does sucrose with hakushin ring works with spread

[fallen remnant]

With aggravate yes I believe she can buff dendro damage, but it needs to be in AoE or with her burst infusion

[spice vine]

I only did this comparison of damage and as we see the damage here really depends, with those assumptions yae damage range from 201k to 237k dpr and fischl is between 242k and 298k. It depends on if we're building er on yae and c6 behavior of fischl, so fischl is doing way more damage with c6 and about the same if c6 not procing

[austere thicket]

Blimey, thanks!

[proper falcon]

is leak character tc chat available here?

[ionic tusk]

Did you calc with the buff from Widsith?

[spice vine]

yep, those pics actually kinda badly formatted previously so i better resend them

[ionic tusk]

oh that was my bad since I didnt see the averaged part. Thanks for the reply tho

[south oar]

Anybody have any idea of Candice leak like it works like beidou

[weak locust]

what about thundersoother?

Ive seen Kusanali mains reccomend thundersoother

[serene saddle]

has gilded set been looked at with pyro characters yet?

im considering calcing it but only if it hasnt been done already

[torn ginkgo]

[soft drift]

We r still not sure about the exact mechanics of glided dreams afaik so might be better to just wait a day for patch before any calcs

[torn ginkgo]

I was doing calculation for my yanfei. Witch is ahead by 9% or so. Provided that not every charge vapes.

[nova escarp]

Hello. I read about how elemental infusion works on different characters in Genshin Fandom Wiki. I got curious about it and my question is: if we had a character that grants Hydro and Electro infusion, how will it affect Keqing(Hydro only ofc) and Ayaka or Chongyun? Will Hydro and Electro elemental infusion overwrite their elemental infusion? Will we get a Frozen weapon like what happen to Mitachurls?

[soft drift]

No test cases so we r not sure yet

k!gauges

[lofty echo]

Elemental Gauge Theory

Elemental Gauge Theory is our current method of explaining all game mechanics involving elements.

[nova escarp]

Thanks!

[soft drift]

U can search up more about weapon infusions in kqm, there’s a table of current know info

Combat mechanics> elemental reactions > weapon infusions

[nova escarp]

I see. Thanks again. I didn't they also had that topic.

[serene saddle]

ok ty ^^

[spice vine]

Made calcs with 4ts, and apparently it's the best option for fischl

[abstract maple]

what mainstats is this on fischl?

[spice vine]

adc, she doesnt need em with stringless

[abstract maple]

right yeah that makes sense

i wonder if equipping elegy would make gd pull ahead on her

[spice vine]

well fischl needs around 150 em and then atk% is better so elegy makes no difference here

[clever coral]

a question with the new reaction aggravate i see fischl will be broken but a question which artifact will be bis the TS?

[spice vine]

seems like 4ts will be bis as even at 80% uptime it's above other options

[tough tangle]

amenoma isnt that great on xq is it? his E cd is very long

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[edgy drum]

can someone help me get further testing on live collei's mechanics
because it looks to me as if they removed the weird icd on her skill
https://streamable.com/e3qvg9

[devout cliff]

Wasn't the "weird" ICD only on the burst (and still is from my testing) ?

[edgy drum]

no, the wfp guide had a section on sac's interaction with the weird icd

Some weapons in the mastersheet are listed in a different order, placed, higher, or not listed at all. Sacrificial Bow is one of these weapons. Sacrificial Bow looks good on paper, compared to R5 Stringless, but it only reaches this damage after you’ve significantly altered your rotation.

The reason for this is that Collei’s Skill only applies Dendro on the throwing of the boomerang once per 5 seconds, similar to how Ningguang’s Jade Screen can only generate energy once every 5-6 seconds. This means to maximize Spread instances you have to wait for her boomerang to return most of the time in order to get the damage boost from an additional Spread reaction. Since Spread accounts for around 30%+ of her personal damage, this is a significant loss. You either stay on the field as Collei and deal mediocre damage, cutting into team DPS for the rotation, or you interrupt your rotation to switch to Collei, use her Skill, and swap out.

Because of this, I do not recommend Sacrificial Bow to most players, especially since it extends rotations when below refinement 5, due to passive cooldown time.

[primal whale]

does fischl a4 work with aggravate????????

[devout cliff]

I think what they mean here is that the boomerang also applies dendro when it comes back. So with Sac it was worth to wait before recasting it otherwise it would disappear and you would lose one spread. I agree the wording is weird but I'm pretty sure it's that because there were no such 5s ICD in private server iirc

Oh oh jrm is coming to get me

[crimson compass]

pre-release she had a 5s icd on applying dendro on her skill so when you threw it out twice using sac, it would only apply dendro twice (one outgoing, one return from the first boomerang), instead of the expected 4

[primal whale]

don't tell me it does not work

[low shale]

It does work, dont worry

[hot pagoda]

Can anybody confirm whether or not ownership of a burning aura can be changed by subsequent pyro/dendro application?

For example, say pyro is being applied virtually constantly, and dendro once every 1.5s, then would the dendro character's EM be used (since dendro always triggers the burning reaction in this case) or the pyro character's (if applying pyro constantly immediately switches ownership)?

[soft drift]

Burning dmg should be based on the last character that applies pyro/dendro element

https://streamable.com/2cg7kt

wait did burning also dmg my yanfei in the vid

[fallen jetty]

Yes, burning also dmg those around it. but idk if the dmg is quadra scaling like Childe's riptide

[real steppe]

@gaunt tangle not the channel for this

[unborn willow]

[pearl latch]

Yo what's salad teams

[gaunt tangle]

For some reason yae's aggravate with dendro MC is very inconsistent
Her turrets shoots others which is not affected by dendro. Plus when using MC burst, yae's skill Hardly does aggravate as MC steals most of the reaction 😭😭
Any advice on how to fix this ?

[violet fox]

Yae’s turrets hit enemies in range randomly so there ain’t really much remedy for that. dmc isn’t stealing aggravate from yae, it’s more yae applies electro once every 3 turret hit so she only aggravates once every 3 turret hits

[gaunt tangle]

Na like when MC uses burst he mostly does the reaction, yae applies electro and he does the reaction. Any way to avoid that ?

[violet fox]

have dmc start applying dendro before yae starts applying electro, dmc will still do more spread than yae does aggravate (because he applies dendro more often than yae applies electro iirc) but he is not preventing her from aggravation, we should probably move this conversation to #・tc-lounge tho

[zenith surge]

Is there a weapon calc for Fischl after 3.0. Like is stringless R5 better than Harp R1?

[eager plaza]

do you mind sharing the whole calcs for Yae? because this just doesn't make sense

[spice vine]

ofc i can share, if u can point on mistakes i'd appreciate any help https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1_1PCmBVVmVPS2opea5dDLXixrfaQt8M2?usp=sharing

[eager plaza]

wait this shit is too complicated
how many hits are you Aggravating? single target and 21 hits should be 7, 8 for 24 hits
and did you take in consideration the fact that 4GD doesn't have 100% uptime?

[austere thicket]

Has there been any weapon list for fischl in avaggrate teams yet?

[spice vine]

yes for 21 i make 7, for 24 hits 8 aggravates, changed to 80% uptime 4gd

[eager plaza]

looks good now, 4GD being a 6% increase rather than a 11% increase from 2/2, you could even use 85% uptime but it won't change much

[willow void]

how to build yae now for spread? still adc?

[thin bane]

.

[lost silo]

Best set for Fischl in dendro teams

[visual badger]

are there any kokomi hyperbloom teams already

[lament isle]

I use Kokomi dendro mc collei and Kuki

[unborn willow]

Nahhhhh

Over what

Wtf

[hard wharf]

#・tc-lounge , not here

[iron tundra]

Question: Has anyone done testing about what is a better support for a Yae aggravate team? Between Sucrose EM buff and Kazuha Elemental bonus buff

[unborn willow]

I'm free

[hard wharf]

for chitchatting please do it in #・tc-lounge, not here

[lapis whale]

Anyone caculated for C0 raiden hyper Carry with dendro MC?

[lapis whale]

Raiden + kazuha + bennet + DMC

Basically raiden e > DMC ult e > kazuha ult > bennet ult > raiden ult. I made sure that kazuha triggers aggrevate before bennet burns so the aggrevate scales in kazuha’s em no?

My raiden hitting for 40kish with my raifish team now deals lime 60k per Ca

And my kazu has 500em

Damn

[small meteor]

is there a channel for theories about lores?

[hot pagoda]

Is it possible to simultaneously proc vape and bloom when applying hydro on a burning aura?

[hard wharf]

#・lore-basement for that

[small meteor]

thanks~

[lavish forge]

ST or AoE she applies more electro than DMC does dendro

ST = 6 from E + 4 from Q + ~4 from NA/CA
ICD is separate for each enemy so ~12 on average from E in AOE

MC burst can match her turrets but doesn't make up for the rest

[spice scroll]

Help. I'm a bit confused. Burning aura is 1U, so why I can do 2 OL per burning window in this setup?

burning setup with DMC seems to be able to sustain well enough for both Lisa OL and kuki OL teams.

[spice scroll]

got my answer from tc-lounge. yyep, burning aura initially is 2U

[earnest lagoon]

Is Thoma Burgeon build worth it?

[night dock]

Please redirect your question to #・tc-lounge as your question is not in line with the purpose of this channel

[spice hound]

Not sure what you're looking for but here's a weapon comparison https://docs.google.com/file/d/1RMkCsQyht765JZlZSPPcbbwcwmcl-htd/edit?filetype=msexcel . You could also ask in the Ganyu mains server

[torn ginkgo]

How can this information be used? Ganyu can clean burning aura quickly.

[spice scroll]

2U aura means that as long as dendro is applied fast enough, reactions on top of it is viable. Currently, you can do overload consistently on top of burning with electro transfigurated DMC burst. I don't know about melt though since it's very hard to test melt on burn now. Maybe we will have clearer idea when better dendro applicator comes.

[burnt prairie]

Is it known whether Staff of the Scarlet Sands is better than Homa for Hu Tao or not?

I have my reservations about it

[burnt prairie]

Mostly because KQMC would prefer Scarlet Sands ratio wise

[ocean blade]

unless u have 0 CR and 300+ em, homa will always be hu tao's BIS

[upbeat quiver]

Pin this

Not even algebra just variable arithmetic

[pastel solstice]

[mighty radish]

💀

[twin owl]

awh its gone how sad

[mighty radish]

L + ratio tbh

[upbeat quiver]

Yeah or A + B or X*Y type of sh¡t

[mighty radish]

Naur

How can you still even type man?

[upbeat quiver]

Based moderators appreciate what I bring to the server

[mighty radish]

[twin owl]

we love you

[mighty radish]

And other wisdom?

[upbeat quiver]

Uhh

Characters triggering hyper bloom with hakushin ring only buff dendro and electro, not hydro

[mighty radish]

[opaque summit]

anyone got freeze ganyu sheets

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[golden acorn]

Ok, I have a theory about goblets for the four elements: cyro, hydro, pyro, and electro.

[pine lintel]

do you think there is a meaning behind why doesn't the traveler use it's name? nobody knows it except the players

[hard wharf]

hi! this topic is more suited for #・lore-basement than here.

[lost silo]

How much dps difference is there between 4 Verm set and 2 VV 2 18% atk set for Xiao?

[split quail]

(from the Xiao KQM guide) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1tvOeeWVfFMxsLZ6eFkaQWvUvt2yIDpiW5yOlFyl-XXg/htmlview

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[harsh spindle]

How well will Dori do in a taser team?

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[tribal bridge]

Better off asking in #996721190284574741

[lapis whale]

Any ganyu sheets

The freeze team one pls

With ganyu ayaka and Mona and any anemo

[serene scroll]

question, is gilded dreams good on yae miko?

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[serene scroll]

oops wrong channel

[copper ginkgo]

Where can I find freeze ganyu sheets

[rugged spire]

you can check the updated ganyu guide on kqm

[pine ivy]

The KQM compendium has some variations https://compendium.keqingmains.com/

[smoky wedge]

Anyone know the duration of xq eqe Yelan q n1e zhongli hE Tao 8n1cj?

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[maiden tangle]

damn why sevy always good at guides

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[clever phoenix]

how is this new wpn calculated? is it giving flat atk instead of %?

[dusk token]

Yep it's flat atk

[clever phoenix]

base on holder base atk right? since it give % to the holder then take 30% from that.

[dusk token]

Yes based on the em the user has

And this isn't the channel to ask questions like this please keep that in mind

[clever phoenix]

yeah sory. idk why i cant talk in leak-question. so idk where to ask and this is calculative question which kinda tc. lmao. mb

[shrewd zephyr]

hello, i'd like some help with my Tighnari build- i'll send a pic of his build. I'm confused bc I haven't broken even 20k dmg

[split quail]

#・genshin-help please

[shrewd zephyr]

Thanks!

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[fallen remnant]

@muted grotto

[muted grotto]

hi

how many seconds is raiden cast q

[rugged spire]

Raiden E 1
Zl Hold E 2
DMC ENQ 2
Raiden Q
Cyno EQ N1E 6N4E 19.5

wouldn't you want to do a few more AAs on raiden for more energy

[fallen remnant]

Like 2

[muted grotto]

no

the er needs are already very low

she doesnt need to aa at all

might be best to cut Cyno down to the 2 A1 combo here

[rugged spire]

cool

[muted grotto]

since er needs are already low

[fallen remnant]

Why is dmc using a normal

[rugged spire]

fav proc ?

[muted grotto]

Raiden E 1
Zl Hold E 2
DMC EQ 2
Raiden Q 2
Cyno EQ N3E N5E N4E N4E 13

[muted grotto]

Idk actually

cut that out

[rugged spire]

💀

[fallen remnant]

I didn't do ot

Don't cut me

[muted grotto]

only do it if E didnt proc fav

[fallen remnant]

E will always proc fav

Always

Isn't there a cancel tech for raiden eq

I wonder if extending cyno's field time to almost max could be worth it

Need numeros

[rugged spire]

none that I know of

[soft drift]

Raiden Cyno

[rugged spire]

cyden

[soft drift]

Rhino

[muted grotto]

based

[soft drift]

[muted grotto]

Raiden E 1
Zl Hold E 2
DMC ENQ 2
Raiden Q 2
Cyno EQ N3E N5E N4E N4E 13 this should be like exactly 20s i think

[soft drift]

Er req?

[rugged spire]

did you mean to add N on dmc again

[muted grotto]

[soft drift]

Raiden will have to battery with E mainly

[fallen remnant]

He says no ER req

[fallen remnant]

[rugged spire]

fav

[muted grotto]

er needs are low

[fallen remnant]

Is it 2 fav procs on dmc

[muted grotto]

1

[rugged spire]

dmc

[muted grotto]

214 er on dmc is low

[soft drift]

The erc assumes Raiden gets all 5 procs of flat energy

[muted grotto]

wait what

it auto calcs her flat energy?

[fallen remnant]

[muted grotto]

why

[signal breach]

think its unironically not worth to even Q with Raiden there

[soft drift]

[muted grotto]

so how do I remove it sigurd

[rugged spire]

[rugged spire]

maybe remove Q as a whole

[muted grotto]

ah yeah that seems to have worked

[rugged spire]

[soft drift]

I haven’t actually implemented that, u can scroll down to cell 355 and make everything 0

[rugged spire]

what are the new reqs ?

[soft drift]

[muted grotto]

so changing it to 0 burst on raiden doesnt work?

[soft drift]

No

[rugged spire]

[fallen remnant]

Why don't we just kill zhongli

[soft drift]

Kuki instead

[muted grotto]

sigurds calc discriminates against e bot raiden

[soft drift]

[rugged spire]

[fallen remnant]

Does sigurd's calc even work for fav totm raiden

Smh

[muted grotto]

its still fine i think if i did this right

[fallen remnant]

We should just make an actual dual carry comp

Maybe I'll do that

[rugged spire]

[fallen remnant]

But I have 4 mono hydro teams I promised I'd Calc

Or Jamie will arrest me

[rugged spire]

[muted grotto]

changed 355 to 0

[rugged spire]

256

[muted grotto]

shoould have removed raiden flat energy

[fallen remnant]

Raiden can use the sumeru craftable

[muted grotto]

another beenfit of q bot raiden kekw

e bot*

my brain is still learning

[rugged spire]

@soft drift can I get you new template pls

[fallen remnant]

If you think about Raiden is usually a Q bot

Not being used to her full potential

[soft drift]

#834184944674537493 message

[soft drift]

[muted grotto]

imm calc this in a bit

how much petra uptime is this

[soft drift]

E bot Raiden is real?

[muted grotto]

lets find out

[rugged spire]

the max no ?

only 10s

since you wouldn't switch back to zl to pick up a crystal or whatever

[muted grotto]

tryna figure out how many of cynos combos and raidens Es would get it

[rugged spire]

[fallen remnant]

Silly idea but is Cyno close enough to get good uptime on Beidou c6

Maybe we can cut Zhongli and rely on Beidou DR and C1

[rugged spire]

I'd assume it'd be about 8 or 9 raiden E procs, raiden Q slash and then it'd fall off during the N5E

let me go brush up on cyno frames

wait nvm his Q is only 84s

yeah I think the buff would go away during the N5E

[soft drift]

Should be, beidou’s c6 lingers about 2s after Q ends

[fallen remnant]

It's like melee distance is all

And she'd do good damage

[soft drift]

1 abyss tile range for c6

[fallen remnant]

I thought it was like 2

[soft drift]

Tcl has it slightly over 1 tile

[muted grotto]

whats the name of the new craftable polearm

i forget

[fallen remnant]

Moonpiercer

[rugged spire]

moonpiercer

[fallen remnant]

She can also run kitain

Unironically

And kitain gives skill damage

[muted grotto]

too bad cyno doesnt benefit from burst dmg% for raiden to give him full uptime on a good buff

[fallen remnant]

Noir I forgor how did I even handle raiden e buff

[rugged spire]

[soft drift]

Hope rhino works

[muted grotto]

@fallen remnant how does your sheet do resolve

[fallen remnant]

There's a buff

But also

Raiden literally isn't bursting

So why does it matter

[muted grotto]

i had her cast Q

[muted grotto]

automated or manual?

[fallen remnant]

It defaults to 50

But change it to what you want for the calc

[muted grotto]

team only came out to 40k dps with scarlet

back to barbara-sama

[soft drift]

[muted grotto]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MOwyep14K51lGI7Oj2-wdUWVC5MFlcT4_mlwZx-sgGE/edit?usp=sharing

[rugged spire]

[fallen remnant]

make a beidou version

Also

7k dps with 1 second of field time

oh she bursts

nvm

[muted grotto]

in place of who

[fallen remnant]

Zhongli

I think Cyno will usually maintain the range for her C6

she benefits a lot from the Raiden burst dmg%, more electro particles always goodge

[muted grotto]

where healer

[fallen remnant]

Beidou C1 and DR will be fine

[muted grotto]

she doesnt even microheal like zhongli tho

i mean like xinqiu

[soft drift]

Abyss healing cards

[north meadow]

Hey it's guaranteed

[red bison]

do we have calcs on how the new staff fares against homa for hu tao?

[carmine obsidian]

Is there a consensus on Missive Windspear yet? Who would it be best on, and is it even worth ascending at all? Thank you in advance!

[lofty wave]

#・tc-lounge but its 2nd place after homa due to it being a fat stat stick since tao doesnt care about base attack much

[torn ginkgo]

Hi ppl, who tested the burgeon thoma team. Who can replace kokofish as a hydro applicator.

[blazing nymph]

Best is just xingqiu since he give dmg reduction and lots of application to overidden burning for emergency

[torn ginkgo]

Good. I hope that xingqiu will cope with hydro apps

[buoyant verge]

Chat is cyno a game changer char or my raiden is enough?

[spice hound]

Try asking in #1011954056966717522 for details but

[golden coyote]

[steady beacon]

Can Hyperblooms spread?

[spice hound]

Nah, it doesn't apply dendro. Also plz go to #・genshin-help for questions about in-game mechanics

[ember crescent]

for aggra keqing which one is better, fischl or sara c6?

[lofty wave]

one is a battery and a great sub dps and one is a buffer to damage but needs field time and some energy

[fallen remnant]

[idle valve]

Where can I find calcs for Scarlet Sands on other characters

[gaunt tangle]

Raiden c3 > Engulfing lighting or Engulfing lighting > c3 ??

(Already got c2, just taking about c3 as a single constellation)

[pine ivy]

I calculated in total we need 1750 sigils to unlock vanarana so my doubt is how many sigils we get in this patch after 100%?

[soft drift]

Bot ded?

[rugged spire]

[quasi slate]

[soft drift]

[blazing nymph]

No more bot?

🤓

[tribal bridge]

[low shale]

172 if you get every chest

Oh wait, this isnt tc-lounge

[inland ruin]

idk if i should ask here but: does R1 xiphos moonlight outperform R5 favonius for kazuha? in terms of overall energy/team usage and stuff

[clear terrace]

#・genshin-help

[neat niche]

will candace be competitive in a team with ayato

[cobalt blaze]

#1011957642886910054 or #・faq

[tepid pendant]

I want to try and pull on banner 2
is Kazuha's new sword on R1 better than Iron sting R5? or should I just give up on pulling it at all?

[cobalt blaze]

#・genshin-help

[winter cobalt]

where's kusanali tc channel omg

[spice hound]

She's getting a dedicated channel soon after we actually know how her kit works and her banner is live

[undone lintel]

does anyone know if cyno’s spear is good on hutao? id like to pull for the weapon banner but i want to know if cyno’s spear is any good on anyone that isn’t cyno.

[winter cobalt]

can't wait

[winter cobalt]

i think polearm that has crit stat on it is bound to be good on anyone with a certain exception. unfortunately i don't remember the passive of that weapon. maybe someone else do?

[spice hound]

As far as i know it's second best for her after Homa, dunno by how much exactly

[undone lintel]

ahh may i know where you got that information from?

[spice hound]

I've seen it in a fair amount of convos in #・tc-lounge , so no solid proof atm

[undone lintel]

alright thank you very much !

[pine ivy]

Between Rosaria and Heizou who should I main Next?

They both already have goblets of the respective bonuses they would use, it's just a matter of building so

Who should I main now that my Lisa is friendship level 10?

27????????? SO THE UPDATE US TOMORROW?????

[split quail]

@pine ivy all of these questions are better suited for #・genshin-help a lot of those questions are subjective as well, go with whatever your heart desires

[pine ivy]

Oohh okoke thank you

[gilded aspen]

how good will this weapon be on hutao

[hearty mauve]

Idk if someone already done the math but I'm kinda interested in the BiS of Nilou... her weapon gives EM based on their HP... if I build Kuki (for example) full HP% on the Main stat is it better than a full EM set? Or mid? Or same as full EM?

Bc I'm interested in Jade cutter and if Key of Khaj Nisut is her BiS then the weapon banner is good for me

[digital tiger]

Yo guys, as we can see we got some Nahida kit leaks, however I'm concerned about something, are we gonna dendro DMG bonus or EM goblet for her?

[torn ginkgo]

Waiting for start beta. I think any dendro char have em goblet and best option 3*em like anemo chars

[north solar]

We have to check her beta state first before tc of which goblet

[opaque summit]

does kazuhas c2 affect characters off-field?

[fair aspen]

No, only chars in his field

[shell terrace]

can we guess what talent books nahida will use

[safe ridge]

Is the new pull arm good for ZL?

[woeful stag]

You don't build em on Zhongli…

I guess it can be a good stat stick if you don't have deathmatch, but I wouldn't pull for it for that reason specifically

[woeful stag]

The current pattern for All current archons afaik use Wednesday books

[torn ginkgo]

A-afaik? Wtf. And boss materials too, element life.
Anemo, geo hypostasis and thunder manifestation.

[safe ridge]

Maybe I should just wait for homa then. I’m somewhat at 60 weapon pity

But homa when 🥲

[nimble ivy]

has there been much testing with cynos Polearm for xiangling yet?

[gentle viper]

where do we ask questions abt leaks

[lofty thorn]

#1024566676659912734 #1024566845681958932 #・tc-lounge

[crimson compass]

bro you mean #853474886047629323

[lofty thorn]

OH those kind of leaks

[gentle viper]

lwad u done got me askin in the wrong channel

[tropic lichen]

Yall think i should use kuki and yae with tighnari or fischl and yae with him? And if Kuki, should I use Tenacity or Gilded?

[fading light]

Bro the comments right above you are talking about this not being the place for simple questions

[tropic lichen]

Apologies!

[hard wharf]

#853474886047629323 still locked so have to redirect to general chats for now

[nimble ivy]

are there any damage calculations for staff of the scarlet sands? and or specifically for Xiangling?

[west talon]

does reducing dendro res (via deepwood memories set) affect bloom damage? if so, is bloom damage considered dendro damage?

[spice hound]

Yes and yes, also this q is better suited for #・genshin-help

[south oar]

Where can I get tighnari faq?

[real steppe]

#・tc-bot-spam and do h!tighnarifaq

[soft drift]

Anyone knows if there is underlying dendro for quicken , if u apply hydro does it deplete both gauges or just 1

[zealous eagle]

#763610791839924224 message

so it shoould be both reduced to my understanding tho still one bloom

[dusty basalt]

Yeah it should be an identical scenario to freeze and cryo being melted

[soft drift]

Thxs

[knotty gull]

Will cyno nahida fichl zhongli be a top tier team?( And would cyno c0 surpass raiden c0 here?)

[knotty patio]

#1024566676659912734 #・tc-lounge

[spring bone]

hey

whats nilous best team comp

also whats nahidas best team

would they be teamable in the future? to know if its better to get them on the same acc

[amber olive]

too early to rly say anything concrete on nahida rn but i expect them to work. also #1024566676659912734

[tranquil ember]

Question, is the Missive Windspear (the new one from the event) good on shenhe?

[hard wharf]

hello, apologies, simpler questions like these are more appropriate for #・tc-lounge or #・genshin-help since this channel is for more in-depth discussions in theorycrafting

[unreal smelt]

Has anyone got a link to an excel sheet containing info for the new polearm weapon? Would love to see how it compares to others

[white knoll]

Who’s a numbers guy here? I need some help

[white knoll]

Which set is better. 1st is GD and 2nd is TF

[violet fox]

hiya, the best way to answer this would be to put your relevant equipment into a genshin optimiser. Also this question is more fit for #・genshin-help than here

[silent portal]

What is scaramouche speculated visiion

[tribal bridge]

#・tc-lounge is the place you're looking to ask

[tired spindle]

Hi all, KQM is looking for Assistant Editors to help with the production of character guides on keqingmains.com. You don't need to be a well-versed theorycrafter to apply. We would greatly appreciate your help with any aspects of guide production based on your interests and skill set.

Application Form: https://forms.gle/qskTPVNFcfSbcbJ86

Note: To get a sense of how KQM guide tickets work, grab the “Guide Submissions” role from the #theory-readme channel in KQM.

[abstract phoenix]

How many hits can c6 Itto do in burst?

[muted grotto]

i was told quicken gauge uses the lesser gauge of the elements involved. (ex: 2u electro 1u dendro quicken is 1u) does anyone know if thats true and if so what the evidence for that is?

[zealous eagle]

datamine + in game verification

[cloud stratus]

Up to 21

[muted grotto]

how was it verified in game?

[zealous eagle]

Beidou burst -> dendro app should give roughtly the same as any other electro app -> dendro, and also because the datamine has the exact decay rate, that duration can also be used

[muted grotto]

has it been tested with 2u dendro app though, to see if higher gauge dendro app on lower gauge electro app results in higher gauge quicken aura?

[zealous eagle]

I think so tho i'd have to check

[muted grotto]

if you can check that would be appreciated

[zealous eagle]

The only discrepenacy related to dendor I'm aware of is dendro -> pyro has differnet burnign duration compared to pyro -> dendro

[golden coyote]

2U dendro into 1u electro results in a 1u quicken aura

i'm pretty fuzzy on stuff like aura tax

but it seems to line up with a 1u quicken aura

cause it seems to last around 10s (pay attention to the quickened lady)

these bad boys on the other hand seem to last around 13s

with a 4u and 2u electro and dendro aura respectively

which should be 2u quicken aura

[fleet pawn]

Does anyone know if Blizzard strayer works in fridge teamcomps?

Also, does the th BS work offield ?

[earnest knoll]

You’re better off asking #・tc-lounge for questions like this, you’ll also get a reply quicker

[muted grotto]

Thx

[neat niche]

Guys, are there any viable raiden aggravate teams

And why isnt there a fischl guide on the keqingmains website XD

[rugged spire]

Raiden kuki dmc flex works well enough afaik

You can ask in #・genshin-help

[broken skiff]

what's the strongest yae team

[tribal bridge]

#・tc-lounge

[clear oxide]

Hello. Which section discusses about theory crafted lores?

I just wanna ask something

[spice hound]

#・genshin-spoilers

[clear oxide]

Thank you

[tired spindle]

Hi everyone! If you are interested in updating the Kaeya, Xingqiu or Kujou Sara KQM guides, please let me know. We are looking for authors/co-authors and contributors. We'd love for you to get involved and are happy to teach you how to do TC and guide work if you are inexperienced, as long as you are willing to dedicate the time and effort.

[buoyant verge]

Chat, which is better on hu tao, crimson or shim

[quiet remnant]

Hey guys, we just got some artifact calc. Thing in this server right

Can anyone send that link

[tribal bridge]

#・genshin-help

[tribal bridge]

!!optimizer

[misty thistle]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[crimson compass]

do we have a command for Little Bro?

[tribal bridge]

Not sure

[crimson compass]

if we don't, we should

[tribal bridge]

Are you able to or is it a team lead that has to

[crimson compass]

higher up probably

[quiet remnant]

Thanks

[sly flint]

we do

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[crimson compass]

that was made because gerry and i said we should

[sly flint]

alright sorry

[empty saffron]

Im running raiden national but with yelan, and yoimiya vaporise with yunjin and xingiqu

In terms of damage wise, should i choose to pull for thundering pulse for its huge buff from its passive and crit stat, or should i just pull for engulfing for raiden so i can hand over the catch to xiangling?

[soft geode]

Anybody know what's the ICD for dendro traveler's burst? how often does it apply dendro without electro infusion

[rugged spire]

Standard icd

[alpine ore]

imagine if vv worked off field like deepwood

[south oar]

Is leveling up talents for tighnari not necessary?

[hollow cloak]

it is, basic attack and burst. his playstyle is basically frontloading as much damage as possible in a short window

[south oar]

Okk

[hollow cloak]

does widsith EM buff also affect Yae's passive, 0.15% damage per EM point?

wondering if optimizer is taking that into account, if so, i don't see it changing

nvm i see it

lol

that was dumb 😅

[violet fox]

yes it does, although you should ask questions like this in #・genshin-help or #・tc-lounge

[hollow cloak]

yeah srry my bad xD

[austere thicket]

Guys if I understand this correctly, a 38k kuki using Key of Khaj-Nisut will receive 137 EM with three stacks from passive and grants 76 EM to her teammates right?

[pine ivy]

The teammate buff part also applies to herself

[austere thicket]

Oh damn that's pretty sick then

[pine ivy]

Do be aware that it requires on field skill hits to stack though, you cant just e and swap to get all the benefits

[austere thicket]

aw shucks nvm then

[cursive summit]

it will stack automatically cause the stacks last 20 seconds

or you stack it to 3 stacks once and then refresh it within 20 seconds

[fallen jetty]

Key is looking better and better

[neat niche]

Okay, so like, we need to wait until 3.3 to get dendro traveler to c6, the max now is c5?

[gaunt sapphire]

Yes

[rare turret]

is there anywhere to check my calc? it's my first time actually finishing a sheet and i don't want it to be wrong

[finite zinc]

Been breaking my head over this for a couple o days
Team option① Emblem Raiden・Nahida・VV Kazuha・Benny
Kazuha on VV Benny on Noblesse
I really want both Nahida and Raiden to do high damage in that team. Deepwood vs Gilded dreams on Nahida?
Instructor or Noblesse on Benny?

Team option② Emblem Raiden・Nahida・Elegy VV Venti・Zhongli
Still want Nahida and Raiden to do a lot. Deepwood vs Gilded dreams on Nahida? Tenacity vs Deepwood on Zhongli?

Would appreciate input on the above(I don't want to replace any characters in the two alternatives above)

Which combination would lead to the most damage from both Raiden and Nahida?

[real steppe]

you can send it here for feedback

[cloud stratus]

todays survey
https://forms.gle/DWY7RFCeuKDnQbs17

[spice scroll]

GD nahida, deep wood benny, vv kazuha. This is same team that I want to try. I also want to try instructor kuki instead of raiden.

[pine ivy]

should just be 3.2 archon quest, there's no more in the statue past the current max

[abstract phoenix]

Do we think Mika might be a xiao support?

[rare turret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AQCigs4rgeidJPybYoSkYOI8BCEUm1pjLHTwyu86Iso/edit?usp=sharing

[kind dawn]

sorry i'm new to this server, is this the place to talk about builds for existing characters?

[sly flint]

#・genshin-help

[kind dawn]

thanks

[supple spire]

What are you guys opinion on Layla?
Her shield seems better than Diona's and her c4 seems pretty strong

[desert cedar]

I think thatshe'll be an upgrade to Diona in most cases, but if you have C6 Diona and aren't doing a lot of pulling to get her cons, probably not a big upgrade

[supple spire]

Well I'm going to c2 Nahida só I might get all her cons

[viscid flare]

Whats best on Full EM raiden weapon wise? Wanna try it one day just wanna make sure I dont level the wrong polearm

[supple spire]

Why would even do that? At that point just use Kuki

[viscid flare]

Just to try it out lol. I already use Kuki

[supple spire]

Okay... I i guess Dragon's bane would be the best

No

The Inazuma 4 star is the best

Choose either of this 2

Either of them should be fine

[dusty osprey]

Dbane is pretty attractive for em raiden builds since it gives much more em

Also the raiden nahida hyperbloom teams have tame er needs

[supple spire]

But isn't the passive basically useless

For EM Raiden

[dusty osprey]

Doesnt matter, half of your team dmg is em hyperblooms

And the other passives are less attractive for those nahida teams

[supple spire]

Hummm that's true and since you are in a hyperbloom team as long as the enemies have hydro in them it is going to boost her E

[dusty osprey]

I would say dont worry about the passives for that team

Like refines dont make much of a difference

[supple spire]

Yes, that's true, what I was saying is that the passive is not useless for her as it would seem

[dusty osprey]

Her e is somewhat negligible though for the dmg

Its more of a tool to proc blooms and dmg% for yelan/xq

[supple spire]

Well that's also true but as I said before. At that point, just use Kuki, she is a lot more effective in hyperbloom teams

[dusty osprey]

Theres pros and cons for either

Raiden has dmg% for high invest yelans and needs to spend less time on field

Kiki has healing to make it comfortable

And access to fs

[knotty patio]

thats not true, kuki offers survivability, but raiden offers more damage, smoother rotations and will generally be better once you dont need the sustain. So like, any team with XQ and/or Beidou should be better with Raiden, unless u fight wolves/really cant dodge big attacks. So kuki being a lot more effective isnt really true, it just depends on your priority and team. Yelan XQ dmc would prefer Raiden, Ayato dmc Yelan would prefer Kuki.

[winter steeple]

still a bit confused about hyperbloom, let's say Kokomi creates a bloom reaction and Raiden triggers hyperbloom, who's EM is being used here?

man I can't wait for EM% goblets

[clear spear]

raiden

[winter steeple]

Ty

[supple spire]

While what you said is true, I think I express myself badly. What I meant is that Kuki is more effective because her skill set encourages you to build EM, while for Raiden, there is nothing in her kit that encourages you to build her full EM like Kuki does. You are basically build Raiden as just an E bot, which for me, does not make sense.

[pine ivy]

are there calcs of burgeon hutao vs regular hutao teams?

[desert cedar]

Yeah, then I think she'd be great!

[tardy bolt]

by any chance hu tao could use gilded dreams, guys?

[supple spire]

Technically, yes. But it's not the best for her. While the Em that the set gives is pretty good for her, the atk bonus is basically useless on her

[empty trellis]

my main dps is currently ayaka team and raiden team in abyss.
ayaka, ganyu, sucrose, kokomi
raiden yae xiangling, xingqiu
i want to get nahida or nilou who shouild i get?

[grim mica]

Nahida ofc

[real steppe]

use #・tc-lounge for these types of questions please

[supple spire]

Nilou right now is not wroth it. She has no supports that enhance her play style. Like a well build c0 Kuki does about the same dmg

[pastel gull]

Anyone try out burgeon yoimiya?

[tribal bridge]

No but that sounds

[spice scroll]

https://youtu.be/QrWlhdN5gKI

Ryuukin Saxifrage works really well for burgeon. Team is good at AOE.

[cursive summit]

dayum

very impressive

[chrome inlet]

are spread/aggravate affected by any sort of icd?

like the same icd as anything else or do they ignore it

i feel like with it being a reaction that seems to basically be made for fast hitters it would have some sort of special exception

this just popped up in my head cuz i was thinking like "wouldnt yoimiya be insane with the new reactions if she were dendro or electro" but then remembered icd rules

but i feel like that semi-defeats the purpose of quicken reactions in the first place for it to not ignore icd

maybe they just give super low or even no icd to characters designed to make use of quicken

is cyno like that?

sorta

oh wait no the bolt having icd is just mihoyo deciding he shouldnt be allowed to near simultaneously proc aggravate 4 times every time he presses e when the thingy is up

ok i've really just answered my own question here

[primal whale]

where can i find exact aa and recovery frames for all characters?

[violet fox]

https://library.keqingmains.com/characters kqm library has them for released characters, unreleased should have them in their designated channels here

[pine ivy]

do nilou need crit rate crit dmg if i don't have her bis sword ?

[sly flint]

#1011954196175671348 and the answer is no

[spice scroll]

I wonder, will nahida 1.5U dendro make burning aura more than 2U, or still 2U.

And what is burning ICD? Can I restart burning aura before the 2 second period ends by adding dendro?

[zealous eagle]

Its still 2U and no

You can't refresh burning guage as long as burning is active

[spice scroll]

I see

[zealous eagle]

youcan extend it by adding more dendro

but you can't refresh it

[spice scroll]

thank you. So theoretically, 4 reverse melt is possible per 2 seconds?

and 2 overloads?

Does burning aura decay during the 2 seconds period?

hmmm. no decay

[zealous eagle]

Burning has no releation to 2s

2s is how often it applies 1U pyor

The gauge of burnign is comeptely unrelated

[spice scroll]

yes.

My last question. can you explain how 3 overload is possible here?

ah fuc.. Collei C2

but still.. you can't refresh burning gauge

im confused

Unless... you CAN refresh burning gauge

[zealous eagle]

Burning went out

and was triggered again

By collei's A1

Burning lasts <2s with 1U dendro

or like 7 ticks

leaving 1U pyor

that collei reigniite off

[spice scroll]

oooh right

[strong moat]

In the first phase do you know how much wishes can be gained

[soft drift]

Not the place to ask

[sly flint]

wait for some time and check pins in #・genshin-help

[rare turret]

albedo weapon calcs (not checked by anyone) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1lj3f1rLZYy-b0pkU8RKAr0KuaXpcUhX9TzW1MwUJk/edit?usp=sharing

[spice hound]

You might be interested on #834184944674537493 to get them verified

[neat niche]

Does that mean that when cyno uses an empowered skill, the skill itself and only one cyno bolt are able to aggravate?

[chrome inlet]

yes

[quick fiber]

Hey Have anyone found any use for Key of Khaj-nisut besides nilou, layla, kuki? I tried to slot it into some seed comps but I dunno who could even wield it and not lose too much

[clear spear]

bennett for reaction teams

[quick fiber]

Hmm I guess it could work in burning ganyu

but since you lose like 50 base attack over skyward it's not ideal

[lusty raft]

Crit Ratio Comparison

79.2:205.8 is 3.32 % stronger

72.9:212

254.55 % Damage

79.2:205.8

262.99 % Damage

Crit Ratio Comparison

79.2:205.8 is 9.16 % stronger

60.1:234.5

240.93 % Damage

79.2:205.8

262.99 % Damage

[neat niche]

When using cyno with fischl, does cyno's aggravate count for an electro-related reaction for fischl's A4 to proc?

[west spire]

yes

if it's an eletro reaction it procs fischl's a4

[neat niche]

Oke ty

[pine ivy]

will nahida be a good support for cyno?

[sly flint]

#1024566676659912734

[bold pumice]

I kinda want to use candace as an onfield character. any way to make her stronk in this role? 😄 sorry have to ask here since I can't find a channel for her

[ionic tusk]

use h!candacefaq, also you should ask questions like this in #・genshin-help next time

[fossil rune]

Do any of you know the formula for the number of triggered ticks and aggravates in the MultiTarget(target number=n) of yae miko's E-totem?

for eg in ST(n=1), one EEE will attack 12 times and 4 of them will be aggravate

i need generalized formula about N

[soft drift]

No

[fossil rune]

oh there is not?

even in two target?

[soft drift]

Maybe 1.75 average agg for 2 target

Per 3 s

[fossil rune]

hmmm

[soft drift]

As for a generalised formula

[fossil rune]

Is that a commonly used formula for yae miko TC?

actually i need mastersheet of her, but usually ST... so..

[soft drift]

Idk

[fossil rune]

oh... thx anyway

[soft drift]

75% of the time the 3 E bolts (1 tick) will target both enemies

So 1.75

:clueless:

[heavy harness]

I want ask something abou c1 nahida...

"When the Shrine of Maya is unleashed and the Elemental Types of the party members are being tabulated, the count will add 1 to the number of Pyro, Electro, and Hydro characters respectively"

If in party no electro/hydro/pyro character,can you still get this buff c1...example i use all dendro mono...

[sly flint]

please head to #1024566676659912734

[maiden tangle]

h!cynofaq

[lusty raft]

Cyno FAQ

The General Mahamatra in charge of supervising the researchers of the Akademiya. It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the “Great Vayuvyastra” made by the Kshahrewar.

Cyno Mastersheet by: Akane#0926:

Google Sheet

Cyno Frames Mastersheet by jrm.spirit#2671:

Google Sheet

[maiden tangle]

ok i get it now

[violet wing]

h!nahidafaq

[lusty raft]

Nahida FAQ

A caged bird secluded within the confines of the Sanctuary of Surasthana who can only see the world in her dreams.

Nahida Artifact Sheet Compilation by ඞඞ#6874:

Google Drive

Nahida Weapon Ranking Sheet by Raikh / Vailen#8564:

Google Sheet

Nahida Frames Mastersheet by jrm.spirit#2671:

Google Sheet

[violet wing]

h!tighnarifaq

[lusty raft]

Tighnari FAQ

A young researcher well-versed in botany who currently serves as a Forest Watcher in Avidya Forest. He is a straight shooter with a warm heart — and a dab hand at guiding even the dullest of pupils.

Tighnari Constellation Mastersheet by XenoVX#6150:

Google Sheet

Tighnari Weapons and Artifact Mastersheet by Raikh/Valien#8564:

Google Sheet

Tighnari Frames Count by jrm.spirit#2671:

Google Sheet

[clear spear]

#・tc-bot-spam

[jolly hemlock]

is the new 3.3 set good on nilou? the bloom one

[sly flint]

#1011954196175671348

[pine ivy]

Are the 3.3 character leaks confirmed or fake?

[real steppe]

#853474886047629323

[glad grail]

hello! I wanted to ask, which is better dendro support, c4 collei or dendro traveller?

[dusk token]

please go to #・genshin-help for this type of question

[soft drift]

Collei is better in st, u can use either for aoe preferably dmc

[glad grail]

ok thanks!

[lusty raft]

Cyno FAQ

The General Mahamatra in charge of supervising the researchers of the Akademiya. It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the “Great Vayuvyastra” made by the Kshahrewar.

Cyno Mastersheet by: Akane#0926:

Google Sheet

Cyno Frames Mastersheet by jrm.spirit#2671:

Google Sheet

[sly flint]

#・tc-bot-spam

[surreal vault]

oh sorry im new to these channels (theorycrafting)

idk their roles

[torn bobcat]

With dendro doesn’t c4 and c6 make childe become the best hydro applier in the game for bloom? Nahida has decent and long dendro application with fischl and yae covering electro if you’re doing hyperbloom

C4 for more hydro and c6 to make childe be able to stay on field for a long time

Also yeah wouldn’t that make childes c6 finally a dps increase? With the hyperbloom comp above everyone would be applying stuff for a long time off field so childe with c6 can just apply hydro for a awhile and then burst when you have to swap

[kind dawn]

h!candacefaq

[lusty raft]

Candace FAQ

A descendant of King Deshret with an amber left eye. The defender of Aaru Village.

Candace Mastersheet by Emiliabyss#1641 and Athena#2444:

Google Sheet

Candace Frame Mastersheet by Sir Von | Skill Deficiency Cult#7672:

Google Sheet

[crimson compass]

#・tc-bot-spam

[kind dawn]

oh no

sorry 'all

i thought only i can see it

[acoustic widget]

can the new EM catalyst r1 in nilou banner do anything better than r5 wishlish ? for nahida

[sly flint]

#1024566676659912734

[spark falcon]

this isnt really a theory more like something i noticed but...

COUGH

Archons = some kind of support
harbingers = some kind of dps

i mean

venti = SWIRLS EM INNNN
zhongli = shield
raiden = electro apliciatig omg i cant spell

and now that we have nahida = uh.....actually i diddnt read her kit-

childe = SHABLOOM
scarmouche????? = heizou 2.0
dottore = I SPAWN MY CLONES

[fading light]

Wrong kind of theory crafting my friend

[spark falcon]

thank you TC monke for pointing dat out

[pine ivy]

would the new artifact set with the EM bonus be good for Kazuha?

[mystic thistle]

scara theorycrafting where

[hard wharf]

still have no kit leaks rn so no channel for it yet

also let's keep this channel topic to more in depth tc, else please proceed to #・tc-lounge thanks

[mystic thistle]

fack

[south oar]

Can anyone tell me a quickened enemy will lose its status if I add hydro to it or will it retain its status

I am planning to run cyno beidou nahida xingqiu m

[unborn goblet]

quicken has its own gauge and applying hydro or pyro will reduce the gauge, thus its duration

[south oar]

I see... thanks

[clear spear]

now that we have wanderer and faruzan numbers will their respective channels be opened? 👀

[bitter flower]

what do we think about the new bloom artifact set? How much of a increase is it to bloom/hyperbloom dmg?

[robust basin]

With max stacks it's a 150% bloom dmg increase, which is ab the same as ~205 em

So not too bad

[stoic crag]

guys

question rq

im on 4pc tf homa cyno can i run atk sands

and if em sands is better, how much better is it?

[robust basin]

Yea u can but it depends on teammates & substats

How much em would u have w atk sands & vice versa?

[surreal vault]

can someone upload my artifacts on the optimizer i cant with my phone

ill just dm the screen record

idk if its possible

[sly flint]

idk if thats doable but this is certainly not the place

[winter steeple]

is the energy gain from prototype amber affected by er%

i have an interesting idea for overworld shogun

[clear spear]

it's flat energy like raiden's

not affected by er

er only affects particles, like favonius

[winter steeple]

oh
in that case does there happen to be a way where i can acquire 15 prototype ambers

[patent sequoia]

Is GD better than that new bloom set or nah for kuki hyperbloom

I’m also running nahida, xq and Beidou in the comp if that matters

[patent sequoia]

Ok so it's better, but minimally

However, I'm only getting 2 party members with 2 diff elements, so it's gunna be noticeably better for me to get flower of life

Aight got it, thx

[soft drift]

Oh sry the hyperbloom set is called “flower of paradise lost” not “flower of life”

[patent sequoia]

Who cares lmfao

[soft drift]

||dn ||

[uneven chasm]

What exactly is Diluc's most optimal combo, if it even exists? I just mash buttons, making sure his e's all vape and thats it

[brisk rampart]

Is there anywhere where the new Bloom artifact set is bis for someone or is it just comparable to Gilded?

[toxic arch]

look up 5 msgs

[brisk rampart]

I'll be honest, all the Dendro stuff is still a little confusing to me. Is that saying that it's better on the electro character for hyperbloom? So Kuki, Raiden, Yae etc? And it's only better for hyperbloom and not Nilou blooms?

[toxic arch]

it works on the triggerer of the bloom and sub-bloom reactions, thats why its on the electro char but it also works on bloom and burgeon, just bloom doesnt always have consistent trigger so harder to calc

[brisk rampart]

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

It's really hard to remember what triggers what with Dendro lol

Oh, that image is great, thanks again @toxic arch !

[dense bough]

is totm buff still useful in a hyperbloom team (nahida raiden kokomi xingqiu) or would it be better to run kokomi on deepwood

my gilded dreams are much better so I wanted to put it on nahida rather than scraping together deepwood for her

[patent sequoia]

I got an answer yesterday showing that it's better than GD for hyperbloom kuki

[patent sequoia]

Koko on GD is greater