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And the Fae were created by Koitar
So maybe there's some relation there
But the likely answer is that she's pro Koitar yeah
Being the God of Love as well
I mean we don't know how they really went about it yet and Nicole frames it as a tragedy that the Gods destroyed them
Yeah but she might be a fae too she just didn't like the supremacy Fae had over humanity
It's unclear whether Fae were enslaved in Hyperborea though
We know both the Fatui and Hyperborea have a fixation on the "Pale Star" too
So they're definitely linked
Well, former god of love
But I know what you mean
Who is this pale star again
We don't know
Probably something linked to Seutervoinen
Btw there's something we discovered about the pyro gem
Oh God
Its not a leak is it?
Is it really spoilery?
Not really?
"Walking a pilgrimage for a wish, gathering to fight for the title of strongest...
"Finally, burning to ashes in the flames of destruction for a dream.
"If the original heart remains in the ashes, then he has achieved the truth of ██."
This is it
The last line is the stand out
Oh God
Instead of saying the "intention" remains it's "the original hearts remains in the ashes"
Uh
Well okay
Idk what to make of it
Original heart huh
It would be referring to Capitano's heart thing right...?
Now I'm so much more confused
How the fuck do the translators take away the word "intention" from "original hearts remains in the ashes"
Unless heart is not a literal heart but with the mention of "remains in the ashes" it seems weird...
But also, burning to ashes, and remains in the ashes tie even more to the Mare Jivari
And also it's looking even less like the blank word is a name...
I really don't like that
Wait
Original heart could also be the Gnosis??
Because uh
Scaramouche
Idk
I was thinking the Gnosis
Gnosis is the original Chinese was literally "heart of God"
More like burned Irminsul honestly
Well I suppose it could be a double entendre so to speak
"The heart" could refer to "the heart" of an idea of movement while also referring to the Gnosis
I mean did you read the recent Dottore drops?
Yeah?
But I don't remember any mention of a heart in them
||Dottore says that the Third Descender was "erased"||
Yes I did see that
||So the blank name could be The Third's name after being erased||
I don't think so
Or at the very least I don't hope its the case....
Ugh
But it makes the most sense
Fuck me
?? No??
I hadn't thought about that theory in ages what the fuck are you talking about
I mean what else would it be now
I just want it to tie into Natlan
Sorry I just misunderstood
And Natlan's lore
I mean like
The descenders tie into every aspect of the lore
They're linked to everything
We already know ||the name of the third descender anyways why would that be the big twist????? Like yeah whatever, its actually his "erased" name just like Koitar had her name erased but like ughhh||
Plus the "he" has always been speculated to be Capitano so it was never "just" Natlan
But its literally Natlan's Gemstone Description
Every other Genstone description has always tied back to its specific nation
God this is so stupid
Well Koitar isn't her real name either
Probably
I can't win ever in this fucking game 😭 😭
I just want Natlan to be important how difficult is that to ask from the fucking devs
I mean the Natlan gem was always stand out
I'm pissed
If this turns out to be the case I will actually end it all
Calm down dude
The Pyro Gemstone is literally the only thing I have to look forward to in the game
Its the main reason I haven't fully "quit" and am still sticking around to check for updates
If it turns out to be this I'm just going to be so dissappointed
I'm not asking for all my theories to be real, I'm just asking for Natlan to have the spotlight for fucking once 😔
What the hell does the 3rd descender even have to do with Capitano that's literally Childe's thing
||I mean I was hoping we would get a Dainsleif quest in 6.7||
Childe literally just shares a name with him
Not even his real name
Not at all comparable
Ok
He shares a billion things with the third descender lets not kid ourselves
Natlan will probably get the spotlight again
I have little doubt about that
Well I have officially lost all my hope
Like we don't know jack and shit about the Third's full backstory while we have Nibelung and Phanes' full biographies atp
Everything we know about the third descender ties back into Ajax
And the Saarelainen prayer
Yes, because there's so much evidence Saarelainen and Ajax are the same person
And we only have literal fairy tales about Ajax
His full story is a complete unknown
A character can have more than one connection
In fact it would be pretty fitting if the first and last Harbinger had similarities
This is sounding like the "Rhinedottir isn't Gold because this and that" argument all over again
I'm not denying that Saarelainen is Ajax
Just that his character doesn't have to be restrained to just fucking Childe in a game that doesn't create SPs
I don't see how SPs have anything to do with this
Its not like Saarelainen is going to be revived
Just that Childe is Ajax's reincarnation or whatever
SPs are how they make a character relevant again while also selling them again
If Childe secretly was the most important person in existence and the rebirth of Ajax (all because his parents named him after a popular fairy tale btw) then they would give him an expy to sell him again
You're overthinking it
Well whatever I guess
This is just making me upset
I guess I'll have to pray like a dumbass that it doesn't turn out to be the case and that the Pyro Gemstone is something else
Sigh
What character could it be without them coming out of nowhere though
Like at this point
I don't know
They could always introduce someone at the very end
I don't wanna talk about it anymore
Alright then
Or we pulled a collei

She got her special powers literally removed at the end of the quest
Left it up to zero interpretation 😭
That's what I mean,we rename Childe so he escaped fate,or we give him the durin SQ special
That won't happen
He'll get screen time in Snezhnaya but he won't be the star
We dont
His story got a name
And oh well its a story, not a 1:1 retelling
I felt they took Nilou’s jam and gave it to her
Bro she's just a cosplayer
This sounds like a genuinely terrible reason to keep playing and all you're doing is making yourself miserable.
And then subsequently airing out your misery making everyone else miserable
Reason why she has only 1 screen time in 6.6
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You guys are losing your shit
It is just a model that existed in 1.0😭
But imagine it is actually Nibelung design teaser
Lizard = dragon
Its fine its lore basement we are all fans of terribly handled characters
Yeah but THAT SPECIFIC LIZARD
Indeed
This is dragon dottore boss actually
He took the pyro gnosis, and in natlan becomes the second weekly boss as an ascended dragon
I would take Dottore as Pantalone's stand over everything else
Pantalone not being a good fighter is a good enough set up

Neither is furina and look where we are
Dottore dps to pantalone sub dps
Well,she is a summoner
Like a stand user
Every gem has personalized dialogue for their respective archon
Pyro gem could just be of xbal
Which would be a bit different because every other gem has current archons signature
But not pyro gem...
I guess that's where the mystery lies or maybe they retconned natlan anyway and xbal was supposed to be the current archon 
YOOOOO
It's called confirmation bias 
nah nah
which harbinger can turn into an animal ?
besides MAYBE Pulci
which harbinger has turned people into animals ?
We know Capitano could
Cause he's already the goat
True
hes a goat AND a kangaroo
but he does not scold his underlings
Momma Capitano and her boy Ororon
They don't need scolding
hes the son she can never have
capitano is nibelung reborn not saarelainen
Possibly
He's one of them
I lean on one or the other depending on my mood
the lizards are nibelung's fragments surely
i can wait patiently
i need Time to fix my resin deficiency
i pulled ... 6 five stars in the last one month
Are you f2p?
hoyo mandated khaenrian man 1 line per patch
Better than Signora at least 
🥀
she paid for out slaying most of the female cast
Dottore too
too much c*nt can get you killed
If her design happened today it would for sure be called go*ner bait ngl
tbh theres a fine line between goon bait and c*nt / slay
the latter needs some design to be cohesive and a personality to go with it
re: Bayonetta
Yeah
an example of cheap goon bait would be whatever they did to sunbringer
Escoffier is goon bait with no sauce
Just raw sugar
shes not even that, its too much credit
shes at best raw salt mixed with grounded glass powder
Skirk fans somehow managed to avoid the nuke of slander that comes with being tied at the hip to a dedicated BIS
oh they did not
There was a brief shining period where Lohen mains were triumphant against them
Then.....the day of reckoning
the stygian bruteforce noise drowned out some of the justified complaints
skirk mains and their black magic
Zajef
Cursed be his name
Well Sandrone is going to be blow them both out of the park when she gets her proper BIS teammates so I suppose it doesn't matter 
gacha meta laws
Anyways did you see that stuff about the CN pyro gem?
no
what happened ? this is all in live version right ?
No nothing new happened
People just realized how sus the original version was
original ?
"Walking a pilgrimage for a wish, gathering to fight for the title of strongest...
"Finally, burning to ashes in the flames of destruction for a dream.
"If the original heart remains in the ashes, then he has achieved the truth of ██."
explain
The original Chinese version of the description of the pyro gem
The one in English is the localized version by the translators
This is it
Hes
Yes
Hmm
Its as cryptic as the EN
Yeah but it's a little more weird
You know that gnosis is "heart of God" in the original CN too?
Hes
Yes
In gnosticism it means Truth
Truth of The world
So that's probably why they mixed it up in the EN translation
But still the use of "heart" in the original is much more suspect
Especially now after what the "ashes" it remains in could be
Irminsul
Also we now know that the Third Descender was "erased"
Now who was burnt in the flames of destruction ?
Yes
It isn't Dottore
I mean the "he" isn't going to be Dottore
Natlan = Saurians
Saurians and Dragons are overgrown lizards
You know who else is a lizard ? dottore
Natlan is missing its second weekly, and dottore can fill in once more
Jokes aside
Yeah
Captain is one candidate
The main candidate right now
Since it's Mavuika who is saying the quote
Also if its her
And if this is him, the dream line makes more sense
Dainsleif too mentions a dream
For khaenrians
Original heart of capitano in the ashes…
And also it makes sense with the Alberich clan's motto remember?
What was it
Let me grab it
Hmm
So capitano and dottore are both returning
Capitano first
Then Dottore sometime later
"Though we could not restore Khaenri'ah to life, we of the Alberich Clan should lead lives as those who blaze like fire, rather than those who wallow in the embers."
Is this from anfortas
There seems to be a split in this clan
The AO was founded by the same clan too
Not Anfortas
Kaeya's records from an old event way back
Hmmm
Kaeya is suspicious
Anfortas is still weird too
Because his name inspiration has him guarding the holy Grail despite being crippled and no longer able to walk
But we don't know what happened to Anfortas
And the holy grail was literally just mentioned in Athame Artis
Holy grail ?
Yes the holy Grail
For sure he was not capitano
They're at least linked
Captain was in Natlan at the time Anfortas was commanding the golems across sumeru
That is for certain
No
Which reminds me
Sumeru is right next to Natlan
He could have went from Sumeru to Natlan
Anfortas, Capitano and Dainsleif should have coordinated the evac efforts at wake of the Cataclysm
Thats what i was getting at
Dainsleif had his hunk underling take the civilians into the chasm, to Lang Gan, while resurfacing at the desert across the forest nation, beside the Pari
Anfortas was coordinating Golems across sumeru
Capitano must have been called into Natlan while fighting in the deserts of Sumeru
Dain didn't intentionally have him go to Lang-Gan
Hillichurls naturally sought it out and Halfdan was naturally protecting them
Oh yeah mb
And Lang Gan was affected by Vedrfolnir’s shenanigans somehow
Inversion is Vedrfolnir’s theme
They had normal soldiers too
Also Capitano had those two soldiers we fought in Titu's quest
Meanwhile Dainsleif was “cursed” and turning into a monster according to the Pari
Yes
And Anfortas was betrayed by a Lady Black Serpent Knight
Iirc
Yeah but he survived
But crippled
Oh
Who crippled Him then
Was he even crippled
He wasn't crippled that's the thing
He doesn't have an apparent connection to his namesake
Hadura also had the title of "sentinel of the Golden Hall"
..the golden hall
"Sentinel" too
Capitano was Swan Knight of the Golden Hall wasnt he
We don't know what he was
We know fucking nothing
Vagueposting
We could have held dainsleif down after NK and have him write down everything he knew about KH
MF has Vedrfolnir’s ring protecting his memory too
He would just write
"Uhhh it existed I guess"
His memory is still fucked up remember?
No hes lying
The ring is preserving most of it
The ring is just preventing him from rotting
Dainsleif is a skilful liar
The traveler should have joined the sibling in kicking his balls
During bedtime story
He would have had to activate the symbiote suit then
You mean.. let the wolf out ?
Or he would have had to use Alien X
No thats aether at full power
Aether at full power is him wearing a skirt and crop top
Stunned at the truth
No thats the secret of the world
he probably is a liar, but i dont think he's lying about his memory. at least, I would say he was being mostly truthful about it.
He did say back in the chasm or another old quest that his memory is eroding
Then we learn in 5.7 how his memory is more intact than any other khaenrian at present thanks to the ring
yeah. I think his memory is still probably significantly impacted, but he remembers more than he let on in that quest.
which I think would further the abyss order plot line (in a good way), so I think it's true.
the fact that we got nothing from it during whole welkin moon patches.
Now his memories have been used for loom of fate
The only other purpose they have left is for revealing his side of the story with the Sibling
Oh and btw
I am rewatching inversion of Genesis
An interesting tidbit
Sibling was recorded in Irminsul only after arriving at KH
Due to the heavens responding to KH wishes
But after NK we know they have been at Teyvat for thousands of years prior to arriving at KH
could be a skirk like situation
Or he just had early onset dementia
Apart from the curse ?
Yes 
Still the ring would handle it
Wouldn't heal him it would just prevent him from rotting and getting worse
No it resets his body’s constitution
To the time he began wearing his ring
Not his mind though
So he keeps the dementia 
But he also gets those memories back…
What a wretched existence
Well his arm is still weird
And he was corrupted prior too remember?
"becoming a monster" or something
We don't know how
He wore the ring after he began turning into a monster
Is the assumption
Yeah but it's still abnormal
And he still wears that mask
He appeared to the Pari’s while half dead, turning but wearing the ring
He confronted Vedrfolnir again during the Cataclysm
While his chess piece did not
Yes
So he started wearing it after the Cataclysm
Same as Pierro
Because they didn't help defend Khaenri'ah
And only pursued selfish goals
No not that
Yes that
He is wearing Vedrfolnir’s final gift to him
Because it helps him
And definitely met him after the power split
He has to
Ends justify the means to him
I mean Vedrfolnir is kinda omniscient
Well i mean that he is aware of Vedrfolnir leading the Abyss Order
But seems chill in not pursuing more
Hates Abyss becomes Abyss
He's aware he influenced them
It should be more than influence
He wants to stop the Abyss Order
But not kill the Sibling
Only two people are / should br aware of his ring
Vedrfolnir and the Sibling
Haden would hear of it from them and plan the bait for Dain
what's the basis for sibling? just that he would've told them? or they would infer that he has something because he's not rotting?
For one i do not see the Sibling having the expertise to lead the loom project on their own
So 5.7’s bait for Dain must have been planned by Ved
Rude
you are forgetting we are twins. so it makes sense if u imagine sibling is as smart as MC
I mean the sibling travelled 7 nations with dainsleif
If they did not notice it, they are dumber than Paimon
No
Yeah
Fair
doesnt that entirely depend on the rate of rot and time travelled?
The rot resets at end of day because of the ring
Dainsleif should ideally suffer no effects of Erosion
where was that said. i thought it just prevented the rot
Lemme find the text
But i need to finish going through this one fanfic and Inversion of Genesis before
Apparently there are NO records of Escher within Irminsul ?
nvm i cannot find any such info regarding Escher
fym iog
there was an allegation that Escher had no record in irminsul
that it was an identity fabricated by dottore
in which case there would indeed be a segment still alive in ToS
but that turned out to be false
i cannot discovery any such info about Escher like that
yes
but that happens after the moontorre episode
huh?
yeah
we know when maukie left?
acc to istoria's reaction people inside didn't have the same perception of time
he was kicked out of TOS for "distoring and abusing the power of Space"
they found out how much time has passed after people come in
yeah
for his paintings
like the three zones were reversed
and we meet the real Maukie the day Traveler reaches Dornman
no not his paintings
he committed blasphemy inside
then where did he disappear off t
the release order is chronological btw
remember how skirk sq is set after fontiane aq?
no clue
he left with a note from Vitruvius with his name on it
WAIT
because of the hydro traveler and later chronology menu it is confirmed to be the final fontaine quest
maukie's memory is wiped
yes
if he's a segment only is he a weirdo whos the only one with wrong hair, he's got the "blank slate nice person" option...
which is worse than sandrone's skirt
ye so release order needn't be chronological
it is in this case
but like
not a general statement
we go to dornman after Varka's expedition to nod krai concludes and everyone important returns
i.e Seamus and Lohen return
until proven otherwise i suppose
at least Space and Time had happened before the temple of space quest
if escher is indeed a dottore segment then he would have survived the killswitch
death is prohibited in the temple afterall
yeah
its unlike natlan
mhm
but like it's
nice person dottore is worse
the resort order of quests happened before space and time for you (which is the final Natlan quest)
regaining memory is possible
dottore of all people would figure it out
that'd be the bastardization of the character they were accusing wanderer to be
i hope they don't go the wan route
it'd be interesting for their stories to mirror after their "death" at the hands of the same small archon
but no
omega is gone
dottore's main gripe was being frozen in time and unable to gain new perspectives
if he returns, it would be a zandik
Reason why Pantalone taking the pyro gnosis is a good idea : He can light more cigarettes at once with it
dahlia birthday letter is sus
Does anyone remember what the device Tighnari has hanging from his right shoulder blade is based off of?
I feel like it's some ancient Greek thing and I think I used to know, but I've just forgotten
Guys, anyone remember what is the source for our knowledge about the date: 6000 years ago?
I remember something about the Chasm, that become the base for a lot of other stuff because it marks the end of the funerary war where every celestial nails seems to fall st the same time.
But I forgot the main source for the number. By the way, we had more sources with the numbers besides that old one?
I found in liyue archon quest.
Anyone know any recent mention?
I found it. Nefer said in the "A Nocturne of the Far North" that the ghosts came from hyperborea, (lauma told her about it) and that means 6000 years ago.
Yeah Seamus family foreshadowing
My theory of getting a quest where we try to get him back together with Frederica is coming true
Traveler new job/talent : wingman
They guide others to a treasure they cannot posess
Seelie ahh
There are more, like records of jueyun and BSAM
Marriage counselling
