🎮〕illuvium-zero

[dry forge]

June 2nd is the date set for the first Land Sale. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero is a building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There are 100k plots of land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. We delete all progress when Illuvium: Overworld launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[ivory timber]

So what are the 3 fuel resources and 3 element resources and what are their roles sers?

Doing some deep research and writing a blog on the land, can anyone point me to any info on this? ^

[blazing ferry]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

lot more info if you check out the pins for this channel

[ivory timber]

Thank you ser, thats perfect! Will have a good sus

[tardy fern]

@high sleet what's your thoughts on T1 now?

I'm not so sure anymore as T1 was only a no brainer if BP's were easy to come by and if they brought in decent income which by the sounds of it they are super rare according to kieran haha

.
I'm thinking what ever has the biggest discount relative to the other tier lands could be the best option as that means your getting the best bang for your buck for resources + BP's as they scale relative to the Tier you purchase. Also less maintenance if you have a T3 vs 10 x T1's lol

[iron laurel]

I don't think they will take less time to manage. They are all about 30 minutes a day, you just get more resources from higher Tiers due to production boosts .

[hearty cradle]

scholars can keep the fuel, landlord can keep the bp

[blazing ferry]

That's what I'm thinking, wherever the best "deals" are relative to amount of production. Nice thing about more T1 is ability to scan illuvials in multiple regions vs fewer higher tier lands

[hearty cradle]

Lower tiers = bp farm
Higher tiers = fuel farm

[blazing ferry]

Since higher tiers have more element and fuel sites, I could easily see them taking more time to get optimized.....of course that's entirely up to the play style of each person on how much time they spend there

[hearty cradle]

T3 + T1s
is the best bp farm setup

[blazing ferry]

yep, think so

[spring jetty]

if mega city is a thing. i thought it's not confirmed yet

[tardy fern]

hmmm true true, im just thinking about how much maintenance managing 10 + T1's is going to be 😆 pretty much a full time job

[hearty cradle]

you can still transfer the surplus elements from a higher tiers to lower tiers

[spring jetty]

t3 + t4 + t2, t1 is the dream setting lol

[hearty cradle]

just remember, bp farm is gacha. You gonna burn A LOT of money

[spring jetty]

wait, it costs element or fuel or both?

[hearty cradle]

elements

[spring jetty]

we can just passively farm element instead of buying it for gacha. but people will buy them for gacha anyways

[hearty cradle]

if you want to wait

[tardy fern]

+T5 😆

lets combine forces and try snipe a T5

[blazing ferry]

For sure, it would be good to have a solid answer on what options owners will have for restricting renters when it comes to blueprints.....ahead of the land sale. Then again, if you're putting everything towards blueprints and not fuel sales it may be hard to find a renter!

[spring jetty]

t5 will make boatload of money through Arena lol anything else is just a bonus

[hearty cradle]

my best strat for bp farm:
buy a T3 in one affinity
buy a T1 in each affinity

The T3 will supply the elements needed for the T1s in each affinity

[spring jetty]

the question is how long will it take a t1 to gather enough elements for bp if not whaling

pretty sure I heard someone said it will cost a fee to transfer resources unless in mega city

[hearty cradle]

yes

[tardy fern]

Yup there's just so much speculation atm around what the best play is. Johnny said earlier today lots of things are still subject to change even when the game goes live which could have a big impact on our strategy.

All I know is I'm going to be focusing all on BP's and trying to get as many as possible early on before it gets harder to find them

[spring jetty]

im more interested in making passive income off fuel first. maybe i will try to go for bp in the future. I need stable income right now

[blazing ferry]

That's the great thing.....two completely different yet very legit approaches!

[tardy fern]

yup which is what the team wanted

[spring jetty]

this how you know Ilv will become a successful meta verse

[tardy fern]

BP's are going to get harder and harder to find as time goes on though so the sooner someone starts farming for them, the higher your chances are of coming across them

[blazing ferry]

I just see those types of options and decision points growing more and more as they release more games out in the future

[hearty cradle]

to be able to create higher tiers blueprint, you need to burn the previous tier blueprint

so it is a race

[spring jetty]

what do you prefer, bp or fuel

[hearty cradle]

bp

[blazing ferry]

What is the mechanism that makes them harder to find over time? I know that's true of Illuvials in the over world. Certainly the first to get blueprints can profit the most before others find it. Just don't recall seeing this exact mechanism for blueprints

[hearty cradle]

yea i cant remember there is a bonding curve for bp

[tardy fern]

Idk to much about it but I remember seeing an exponential chart showing it becomes significantly harder to find bp's as time goes on. It might have been on the illuvium land trailer or in one of @high sleet videos showing the exponential decline in bp's

[blazing ferry]

gotcha, if so it certainly will intensify the race!

[tardy fern]

it wasnt on the illuvium trailer just checked

ill check scorioxes bp video

[spring jetty]

I can see people spending a lot of eth to speedup building for bp farming at the early stage, yay for the stakers lol

[tardy fern]

yep I may be one of those people 😆

[blazing ferry]

haha yeah

[spring jetty]

and in order to craft bp people will need to farm over world then fuel will be consumed as well. yay for land owners lol

it's a win-win and everyone is happy lol

[prisma pelican]

Illuvium has the best market/business model for sure 💰❤️

[hearty cradle]

or buy the illuvial

[spring jetty]

does it take illuvial to craft? i thought you just need to gather resource in the over world for crafting

[tardy fern]

@7:26 talks about it being harder to come across blueprints

Don't think this was the place I saw the chart but here's a reference.

Kieran also in a recent interview gave the impression there would be a limited supply of bp's discoverable and the chance of coming across them decreases as more are discovered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dNoUStTYeA

[hearty cradle]

you need 3 illuvials to craft skin

[spring jetty]

wuuuut, i did not know this

[hearty cradle]

that's how illuvidex is gonna make sense, people buying floor illuvials to make skins

good stat illuvials = farming pve & pvp
low stat illuvials = skin

[spring jetty]

so if everyone use illuvials to craft bp. it's possible that some illuvials could be extinct lol

[hearty cradle]

eventually yes
that's why choosing the region is a gamble

[tardy fern]

yes us bp farmers are gonna horde them all 😂

nah there would have to be supply on open market right otherwise no one will buy bp's?

[rugged epoch]

chicken egg kind of thing

[spring jetty]

this game is so realistic lol, cos human do the same thing in real world through the history 😂

[tardy fern]

fun times lol

[blazing ferry]

Good blueprint video, thanks. Pretty sure I saw that one but it's been a while, so nice refresh

[tardy fern]

would highly recommend watching this one on blueprints. Starts at 19:30, kieran will get you super hyped for blueprints hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazrID_gjrU

[blazing ferry]

For sure, saw that one last night!

[tardy fern]

I think bp farming is definitely for the gamblers and fuel farming is for people who want to play safe. From kierans words bp's are gonna be "super rare" but once you get one, you control the monopoly until someone else comes and screws your gig up haha

[stray fulcrum]

Hello 👋 usually I lurk around in discord here. Wasn’t interested in land at first but now I am, can anyone tell me or point me in the direction of what the land region has to do with things? Do certain ones have advantages over others or? Apologies of this is worded badly 🤦‍♀️😅

[blazing ferry]

lol yeah. I liked his examples of selling skins for several ETH.....think that's realistic for many of them??

[blazing ferry]

You will scan illuvials in your land. Most of the time you scan an illuvial crossing your land that has the same affinity as your land type. Those are what you can then research skin blueprints for. There may also be aesthetic reasons for picking a certain region as they are all different

[tardy fern]

if you get the right one that has high enough demand maybe

there will be lots of duds though also haha

[blazing ferry]

yeah, I'd think there have to be some duds in there even though still rare

[stray fulcrum]

Oh ok that makes so much sense now thank you 🙏

[hearty cradle]

duds as in snaily

[tardy fern]

also as the meta changes, the demand for certain bp's will also change

[tardy fern]

duds as in not ideal haha

[blazing ferry]

That may be the biggest gamble....which illuvial do you try all your research on? Need to pick one that hopefully not everyone else is going after, that skins will still sell well for

[tardy fern]

decisions on top of decisions haha most of these things we will only figure out once we start playing and seeing how the market reacts

[blazing ferry]

for sure

[muted tree]

I know Illuvial(s) is need for skin, but can I know where did you get the info that we need 3?

[hearty cradle]

oh man you can look it up yourself or take my word for it

[stray fulcrum]

What tier land are you all hoping for? 🤞 I’m just hoping for a T1

[muted tree]

I did the search already but couldn't find this info, anyway let me do it again...

[blazing ferry]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[high sleet]

So most systems in the game are found in many locations. Like this blueprints have a bonding curve. But it works a little differently. Essentially any individual cannot find a blueprint twice. So if u find an atlas sword blueprint the next time you would research that it will fail and you'll have to wait another 24 hours. So over time your success rates with blueprints will decline

[muted tree]

Oh, got it, thanks....

[high sleet]

Its chance based

[tardy fern]

wait but someone else could find the same blueprint as you right?

[high sleet]

Yes

But it's probably harder to find as they get found by people

[muted tree]

I just saw the clips @blazing ferry provided above, which is by @high sleet
It mentioned all the blueprint is unique but I think this might be incorrect.
In Johny's AMA he mentioned some high tier blueprints were one of one, that means others are not unique I guess.

[tardy fern]

hmm that's something I don't fully understand.

My impressions were once you find a bp, no one else could find it. That's what give BP's their limited supply.

However, if people can find the same bp as you multiple times, doesn't that make the supply infinite?

[hearty cradle]

yes

[tardy fern]

scoriox's video was from a few months ago so there will be lots of alpha that has come since he made the video that isn't accounted for.

That would make sense if some bp's were 1/1 and others had 10 x copies of them

[hearty cradle]

the first minter might have a benefit, like royalty
to be announced/decided

[tardy fern]

so is there an infinite supply of blue prints as the user basis increases?

[hearty cradle]

based on the latest kieran's ama with volkin, yes

for example, im just gonna buy T1 in each affinity region for free bp
i wouldnt have to buy skins ever

[tardy fern]

since there is a limited number of lands, there can't be an unlimited supply of each season bp's because the number of bp supply isn't based off potential players but potential lands and potential lands is a limited number therefor number of bp's per season is also limited

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-mic-drop-wwe-raw-wrestling-gif-13776271

[hearty cradle]

wth did i just read

[muted tree]

Man, bp is not related to skin...you need skin even you got bp

From Johnny:
Skinned Item = BP(not consumed) + Item + Skin + Fuel
Skin = Illuvials + Fuel
Item = Ores/Gems + Fuel

[hearty cradle]

you can sell your bp if you want

[muted tree]

I agree with you, blueprints should be limited but not all of them is unique

[lapis ledge]

I've been asking and talking about BPs before the interview between Volkin and Kieran, but no one really batted an eye. An interview comes and it's not the hot topic. I feel so sad 😭

[hearty cradle]

how is skin not related to bp, when you need bp to craft skin? and you need bp to progress the research

there is so much confusion in this channel

[vivid cipher]

oh he saying skinned item and skin is not the same thing.

BP stands for blueprint. It’s in the recipe…

[spring jetty]

😂 we need more information

[hearty cradle]

just wait for the official document mkay?

[spring jetty]

Not AMA we need some written guidelines for this stuff

[muted tree]

Kieran said they will provide it this week but delayed lol

[spring jetty]

As long as we get to read it before the land sale I will be happy

[muted tree]

Yeah, the skin mentioned by @hearty cradle seems to be skinned item, not the skin fused from illuvial.

[tardy fern]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-popcorn-movie-time-gif-12551924

[hearty cradle]

ah jezus

[spring jetty]

Sounds like they need better names to avoid confusion like this lol

[vivid cipher]

I’m pretty sure skins will be useless without a blueprint to then put it on an item.

[vivid cipher]

It’ll have to make more sense when there are the different in game nfts to actually look at and move around in our inventories.

[high sleet]

Yes and no. 10k unique blueprints. You can only discover one a day. Let's say the set cuts off after 12 months tops. 20k plots. Maybe 40k over the first year. Let's say you can make at most 20k every day in total or so. It costs money to research so more like 5k. With the bonding curve this decreases over time. Over 200 days or so that's 1 million minted. Or 100 of any given unique blueprint. Given that you'd say the more rare blueprints have less than a dozen each in circulation

Do I need to tell you the value of owning one of 12 rhamphyre armour blueprints??

[tardy fern]

Oh ok so there are 10K total blue prints that you could discover.

Some blue prints are going to be significantly rarer than others so there will be double ups.

After X amount of time, the BP's won't be able to be found anymore.

From kierans interview with Volkin, he said that blue prints are super rare to come by which gives the impressions we are going to have a lot more failed attempts than successful attempts 😆

[tardy fern]

a lifetime supply of eth

[blazing ferry]

imagine burning 3 rhamphyres each time....

[high sleet]

Yep this is a great breakdown of the mess that was my message hahah. But yeah you're on the money

[simple grove]

Wats Name of fire Region ? For rhamphyre

[tardy fern]

I think you would cause an uprise in the community lmao

[blazing ferry]

haha

I get the bonding curve thing now though. If everyone has lower chances of researching blueprints after each blueprint they research.....over time every land out there will have lower and lower chances of finding new blueprints overall and fewer duplicates will be made essentially

[tardy fern]

lol thanks ive watched way to many videos on them now and think you've finally cleared things up for me around the blueprints.

I was under the impression for a while that once you minted a bp, no one else could mint that one, which isn't the case as there are going to be double ups.

I'm definitely going to go full send on bp farming, fuel farming can wait 🤣

[tardy fern]

T1's are sounding much more inviting now

[blazing ferry]

back to where you started!!

[tardy fern]

man we have gone full circle at least twice lmao

super pumped for land, its going to be epic

[hearty cradle]

is this 10k blueprint a theory or has been confirmed?
i remember there are much more than 10k blueprints

[lapis ledge]

I think we should just wait for the doc on how Land works 😂 I think there should be one posted soon.

[wary prism]

Yea, can’t wait for the doc. Should definitely make things clearer.

[hearty cradle]

so you have 150 illuvials, 8 weapons and 8 armors

[tardy fern]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

this is all of us atm haha

[hidden dagger]

Cheers mate, so how would you define a Mega City? 1 T4 clumped with multiple t1s or what? Cheers

[hearty cradle]

they havent decided yet, 2x2, 3x3

[tardy fern]

can we combine our plots of land?

[hidden dagger]

May I ask your opinion on some questions please. 1. Best region to buy land and which regions will be available in the first sale? 2. Best clumping strategy considering T3 and T4 will have minimal clumping opportunities and T1 and T2 much more viable for clumping. 3. Considering the clumping question and the possible advantage of clumping how would you deploy capital of say 10 ETH? Buy multiple T1, T2 or wait to the end of the bonding curve and gamble on getting a T4/T3, buy all T1 or T2 or some other configuration? Cheers

[hearty cradle]

it has to be adjacent in the same wallet

[tardy fern]

I did not know this thanks! Do we have to have a T3 to make this work?

[hearty cradle]

1. which color of 1st pokemon did you pick? red, blue, green?
2. they are using clumping-algorithm, so if you buy a T3/T4, there will be plots available adjacent to it in the next batches. so the algo will help people who are aiming to build megacity
3. you need to secure a high tier 1st, and then try to buy adjacent one. remember, people will snipe those lower tiers surrounding a high tier
   megacity is a whale game

[hearty cradle]

you can build a megacity of T1s
but i prefer at least a T3 for the landmark bonus

a 3x3 of T1 will need A LOT of elements, you are going to burn a lot of money to try to upgrade them

[hidden dagger]

Which colour of pokemon? Sorry mate i don't understand? Got you mate thats great information on the Aglo clumping I didn't know that thank u V much mate.

[hearty cradle]

Crimson waste is going to be the most sought after, fire is the most popular element for boys, esp in gaming
then halycon sea, water (blue)
then a nature / wind affinity region

just have a look at ramphyre
and imagine your ranger in ramphyre skin
blazing !

so ill be looking at my favorite illuvials, and try to pick the region that have that affinity

plus, the last illuvial is fire+wind

so theres that

you're welcome

[hidden dagger]

So Jagnite what is the reference of the pokemon thing? Why boys like the fire? So basically you would advise I get a T3/T4 if super lucky and then build around it with T1s T2s?In Crimson waste if possible

[hearty cradle]

100%

charlizard is the most expensive traded pokemon card

[hidden dagger]

Lol sorry I,m still lost I,m old 50 and never knew what pokemon was till I come across ILV, been crypto while so found ILV through that, not through gaming. So Charlizard is a fire Pokemon? So you reckon people will pursue that one most in ILV as they prefer fire characters?

[hidden dagger]

Also, will the clumping algo, designate more tiers the same as you initially bought next to the original purchase or will it be random?

[high sleet]

We don't have a confirmed number but minimum 10k is their goal. Obviously they'll make set 2 and 3 and so on

[lapis ledge]

Although Jaganite has his own opinions and some might agree to some extent, I think that you research first about what he's saying.

[ancient matrix]

That was my plan 🙉

[hidden dagger]

I hear you mate and please give me your opinions also on the question, I greatly appreciate help from all people.

[hidden dagger]

May I ask your opinion on some questions please. 1. Best region to buy land and which regions will be available in the first sale? 2. Best clumping strategy considering T3 and T4 will have minimal clumping opportunities and T1 and T2 much more viable for clumping. 3. Considering the clumping question and the possible advantage of clumping how would you deploy capital of say 10 ETH? Buy multiple T1, T2 or wait to the end of the bonding curve and gamble on getting a T4/T3, buy all T1 or T2 or some other configuration? Cheers

[ancient matrix]

@hearty cradle @tardy fern @blazing ferry I'm going through your comment's and they are so good very interesting 😁👍

Appreciated

[lapis ledge]

1. I don't have an opinion about the "best" region, but I will be more likely to buy a region that has my favorite Illuvial in it. Right now it's Dualeph, but price is more important. I think all regions will be available in the first sale.

2. No strategy imo, just be on the look out for lands that are adjacent if you're going for a megacity.

3. Not sure what best here means, but I'll probably be getting a T3 with surrounding T1s at a 3x3 size with that capital in sILV2. I'll start with a T3.

[hidden dagger]

Best is a simplistic description of Optimal capital deployment to produce the greatest compunded retrun over multiple years.

My "Best" team set up and land purchase will be the optimal one that produces on average the greatest net return.

So what you said was basically identical to what Jagnite had suggested

He would pursue a T3 Core element land and build around it in his favourite region Illuvial base. Thank you for your reply i appreciate it.

[lapis ledge]

I have no answer to that then as there isn't an exact description of how much you can get. I don't think anyone will ever be able to determine what the prices of each resource you get either over multiple years.

[hidden dagger]

Offcourse there is no exact calculation, There is a probability calculation that will be available with further data. I was asking for your opinion and you gave it and i,m greatful.

[ancient matrix]

Johnny said in the intervies with polemos that they wanted to make 10k-15k skins but they decided they will not make skins for Weapons because they already change a lot
there is not much to skin he said

[spring jetty]

I'd also like to see some details on skins too, like what they look like, effects and etc

[hearty cradle]

yes, imo

1. Fire (red)
2. Water (blue)
3. Nature / wind (green

RGB

[hearty cradle]

Random
you can have a look at an example on how the Tiers are distributed
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

we have sneak peak of M0z4rt skins

[fair temple]

Earth (purple)
RGB P 👍

Definitely gonna get all the different fireworks lol

[hearty cradle]

yea i have no desire to compete with the whales. Im just gonna buy a T1 in each affinity region

[tardy fern]

I think illuvium will be like axie where the best illuvial comps will constantly change depending on what the meta is, and the meta constantly changes

meaning that the most in demand illuvials will change

[hearty cradle]

i def want ramphy and stabin skins

[fair temple]

I wouldnt bother with a bunch of T1s if you dont have T3-T4s to support them with resources / fuel :)

[hearty cradle]

i just want free skins

[fair temple]

Thats still really inefficient.

[hearty cradle]

im not looking to make money out of land

imo land is not profitable, unless you are a whale (megacity) ill be better of staking slp

[fair temple]

You would have no resources to scan/research anything for at least a year 😅
Or at least thats what im thinking...

[hearty cradle]

you can "buy" elements

3 x T1s have more element nodes than a T2

[fair temple]

3 T1s produce the same amount of elements as a single T2 due to production boost.

And T2s at least produce some fuel for research :)

[hearty cradle]

3 x T1 = 9 element nodes
1 x T2 = 7.8 element nodes

Research dnt use fuel as per khaled

[fair temple]

It does as per Kieran AMA with volkin

[hearty cradle]

im not gonna take kieran's word lmao

[fair temple]

That is fair 😂

[hearty cradle]

He confused a lot of people with what being said in the ama

Kieran used Confusion !
It's super effective !

[fair temple]

Alright well we'l see how things play out! Ill personally be going for a T2, or possibly 2 if they allow it to drop lowww

[hearty cradle]

ill trust aaron, johnny and khaled lol

[manic hemlock]

hey guys. what exactly are blueprints?

[fair temple]

They are NFTs that allow you to create an infinite amount of skin - nfts. (If you have the required supplementary resources)

If you are the sole owner of the blueprint, you will be the sole creator of that particular skin :)

[manic hemlock]

and what do skins do?

[fair temple]

They are aesthetically pleasing get-ups that can be used in-game

[manic hemlock]

just visual? or affect the game at all?

[ancient matrix]

Just visual you will not have any advantages

LOL is a free to play game and they made their business with selling skins. It is the biggest esport game for years

So skins are a big deal no doubt

[hidden dagger]

Even with the sILV2 Discount, you don't think the land is good value if produces 5% Revdis and what you can sell from the land rev as well as add capacity to your own playable team?Plus the lottery chance of a rare skin.

[tardy fern]

same with pretty much every popular game, aesthetics are an important part of most game economies. People like to look good when they play and are willing to pay pretty crazy amounts at times

[ancient matrix]

Exactly
Fortnite made that much money with skins that they had 100 million to spend on earnings 😆

[manic hemlock]

so you can find blueprints once you buy the land (and thesedon't get wiped i heard)?

[ancient matrix]

Imagine you are in charge 😳

[tardy fern]

yes, imagine you and a very few other suppliers control the market of some of the most sort after skins....you will have an amazing business going lol

[fair temple]

100K lands produce 5% of the in-game revdis compared to 10M tokens (100x) producing 95% (19x) of the ingame revenue + outside of game revenue such as merch etc.

So on avarage, 1 land would produce a similar fuel revenue as 100/19=5.3 ILV tokens.
So to me, even with the lottery chance of getting a blueprint, more than 5ILV in value for the avarage land would not make sense. If you can buy that avarage land with 5sILV2 then that changes things. But then the sILV2 value would be close to ILV and you might still be better off flipping sILV2 to buy more SLP :)
Especially since SLP would allow you to make those 5 ILV tokens grow into 10 in say 2 years through its APY.

[ancient matrix]

The blueprints can play a big part that be more beneficial than the outside of game revenue That will come later.
Nobody said that the ilv you get from land you cant stake in the slp pool

[hidden dagger]

Yes, mate good points, however, I think as the apr depreciates over time on SLP then it becomes a better long term compounded effect on the land. If ofcourse, ILV is the global success we all hope it will be. Without the sILV2 metric, i agree i would not buy the land either. Also if like me your compounding ETH apr sub 5% then transfer into silv2 makes a lot of sense but to be fair also into ILV SLP so there are few angles to play it I think. Also if I don't get the land i want at the bottom of the bonding curve I won't buy either.

[ancient matrix]

Hii

[empty path]

No

[ancient matrix]

Tell us

[tardy fern]

Imo if you get the right bp's and the game takes off, it could be very lucrative

[ancient matrix]

Its getting closer 😁

[hidden dagger]

PS luv your website, thanks for the work you do very valuable. Cheers.

[empty path]

@fair temple the goat 🐐

[hidden dagger]

What's the goat reference ??? i see it a lot lol

[empty path]

Greatest Of All Time

[hidden dagger]

ahhhhhh gotta ya lol

[fair temple]

Lol i dont hold a candle to the mods in this discord though you guys are always there for everyone!!

[hidden dagger]

Garf what's your thought on what i said earlier mate? agree or I have it wrong you think?

[fair temple]

Makes sense man! Land builds up over time and the APR of SLP drops... so yes buying land in a year would be a lot more beneficial than SLP. (As far as we know now)
But that is a year from now. I would expect the SLP and rewards of a month to equal the land plot value by then (might be very wrong lol idk), and then youd have another 11 months of rewards on top of the same amount of land.

[hidden dagger]

Yeah mate, I hear ya, I have a significant bit of my stack in SLP and now silv for the in-game assets plus I like the idea of the build and forget, as the land is developed and clumped could just be a buy and forget with the magic of compounding doing its thing, as the apr drops exponentially as the game becomes more adopted but yeah defo doing both land and SLP for sure, won't be selling ILV anytime soon. Cheers for your reply appreciate it.

[fair temple]

Yeah man! Im really excited to see where we go in the future! Ill have a land and a couple of tokens as well to take benefits ^^
Lets see where we get to in 2 years - 4 years 😆

[hidden dagger]

Yeah absoulutley be intresting to watch it grow, 100% on this project, more than any other i,m in at the moment.

[hearty cradle]

and you can hire scholars to work the land for you

[spring jetty]

i wanna be a scholar lol

[hearty cradle]

SCHOLARSHIP

[fair temple]

They are not called Scholars!!! Business partners is the correct term for it! 😂

[spring jetty]

i got some labor to spend

[hearty cradle]

neva gonna happen

S C H O L A R S H I P

and we are the landlord

cotton field

[spark ruin]

How are the gas fees today?

[hearty cradle]

bueno

[empty path]

Lovely

[fair temple]

13 gwei lol compared to the 200-500 we saw 2 days ago 🤩

[timber sapphire]

Wow never seen such low gas

[spark ruin]

So, I have usdt on binance, the best way to do it is to buy eth and then transfer it to meta mask right?

[timber sapphire]

Is everybody waiting for bitcoin to crash more?😂

[empty path]

I don't even know BTC price, not looking anymore

[fair temple]

Imagine this gwei during landsale 👀

[empty path]

I wanna sleep for 2 weeks

[hearty cradle]

a bottle of xanny can do that. nfa. dyor

[empty path]

1 bottle of land sale booster pls

[proven wigeon]

Hi how much does land cost? I haven't been here for months

[quick flower]

Land sale is on Thursday and gas is very unlikely to be this low. I wonder why didn't they push the sale 2-3 days later

[lapis gulch]

I think the team will have to work almost non-stop during the land sale, so pushing it over the weekend would be a devastating crunch time.

I even thought solely because of working hours they would have started it in Wednesday.

[quick flower]

True, fair enough

[lapis gulch]

If something goes sideways the team should be on point. So this might make the whole thing more stable.

[quick flower]

I'm setting aside $1-200 for gas anyway 🤞

[hearty cradle]

the sad thing is that OB will probably be in Q4

[wary prism]

Na, Q3 at the latest 🤞

[spark ruin]

I need to have eth on the wallet to pay the gas right?

[spring jetty]

Kieran said end of June, let's see if he is right lol

[slow cedar]

OK, here's a question I've not seen asked - what day and times do people imagine land prices being the cheapest with the constant dropping mechanism? I imagine the first sets of land and last few sets will go for a lot so somewhere in the middle... Any guesses as to when?

[hearty cradle]

when you are sleeping

[quick flower]

That's the most asked I think... And no one can answer that. It depends on the market and how people fomo in

[ancient matrix]

The most believe at the second day after it cool off but if a lot believe that than it can be true 😅

[slow cedar]

Have to admit I don't fully pay attention here like I used to. I'm guessing when the eth network is at its average quietest on the second day should in theory be when it happens

I think those of us asking here are doing more research than most of the people interested, so not sure how many others will think this

If I see a T3 for my price range I might snipe it regardless of timings

[quick flower]

Yes that's the way. I will have a set price I'm happy to pay, and wait for it to drop to that point. If it drops lower I will be happier obviously. If it doesn't, it's not for me.

[spring jetty]

I plan to stay up for 3 days, but dont know how that will be possible lol

[vapid bough]

Yes - purchase happens on ETH main net L1 with gas fee and then minting is on IMX L2.

In future land sales all will be on IMX L2, things just weren't ready on their end this time around.

[empty path]

3 days is a long time

[spring jetty]

I know right, any advice on how to achieve it?

[quick flower]

Have a friend and take turn sniping

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelles-show-dave-chappelle-chappelles-tyrone-tyrone-biggums-gif-4958017

[slow cedar]

Step one, don't have kids

[pure cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/blazzord-high-iq-intelligent-smart-think-gif-17492383

[ancient matrix]

You need a parnter and split in shifts

[spring jetty]

done

im anti-social i have no friend

[slow cedar]

I'm now wondering if we could get a community made or official tracker for the lowest & average sale prices of plots per tier - info is all on chain after all

[spring jetty]

Kieran said no to this

[coral tree]

Do you all think land will be cheaper towards the beginning, middle, or end of land sale? I’m thinking 1/2 way to 2/3

[spring jetty]

will cause gas war

[slow cedar]

Community made could still be done

[coral tree]

Yeah… I think then the person he was talking to said we are going to need a good calculator lol… maybe plotting prices once an hour might be a good thing on your own

[spring jetty]

i hope not, might cause gas war

[coral tree]

You just need to make two columns in a spreadsheet I think for the tier you want… time/price and put it in once a half hour or hour while you watch. I’d think that would give you a good idea without needing a gas war causing community plot

The price you put in would be what you could get land for at the time

Gas at 17! Darn… I got nothing to fuel up lol

[hearty cradle]

bad return policy

[shell rose]

This guy knows your time zone watch out LOL

[austere whale]

Deraji made some land sale related calculator, check that out

[ancient matrix]

100k plots and in total we have 495k fuels compare to 9.4 million (if 600k are silv2) we have a 19x and on the revdis we have a 19x
So to me it looks like 1fuel equals 1 ilv token.

Right?

[fair temple]

Would like to know the exact calculations you did on the max fuels because i got a little less than 1 to 1. :) but yeah pretty much.

[vivid cipher]

I just want to make sure it’s clear… land produces fuel tokens and blueprints. There is no direct production of ILV. But since the other things can be sold for eth then ya, You could always get more ILV.

[spark ruin]

what is better, 1 t2 or 3 t1?

[vivid cipher]

My recollection on pure potential fuel production is that 1t2 has a very slight advantage. But there are of course other considerations. Scanning, Blueprints, initial cost, build cost, land space, multiple nfts…

[spark ruin]

also 1 t2 will be easier to manage right?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah

[spark ruin]

will 100 dollars of eth be enough for the gas fees?

[queen folio]

If GWEI is around the same levels as right now, then I think that'd be enough. But who knows where GWEI will be that weekend 😮

[vivid cipher]

I really don’t know for sure yet. What I hope to be able to know is what an average gas LIMIT will be. But remi is right. I can’t imagine it won’t be enough if the gwei is under 30 like this.

[slow lily]

When big marketing landsale?

[spark ruin]

t1 only have 1 fuel site, does that mean that will only produce 1 type of fuel?

and since t2 have 3 and there is 3 types of fuel is it guaranty to have one of each fuel?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. But any fuel can be converted to any other fuel at a cost.

[vivid cipher]

No.

Which fuels are available will be randomly generated when the land is minted.

[spark ruin]

so why is 1 t2 better than 3 t1 if 1 t2 have 3 fuels and 6 elements and 3 t1 will have 3 fuels and 9 elements?

[pure cloak]

Production Boost / less time needed to manage the land.

[spark ruin]

i see

[spring jetty]

I wonder do we get to choose which landmark we want for t3 and t4? cos we only get one type that boost one specific type of fuel or element

cos each land has different amount of sites for each resource and some might have more than the other

[fair temple]

Random landmark upon mint regardless of sites.

[vivid cipher]

Even though a landmark may not match any of your sites I believe the landmark also gives you a discount converting other resources to become the resource your landmark benefits.
(Source)
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

thats a real sad consolation prize

[vivid cipher]

Flexibility in fluctuating markets is better than being locked into only producing a single fuel that may end up being the lowest value at the time. But yeah. Not everyone is gonna be the biggest winner.

https://tenor.com/view/there-three-consolation-sad-gif-12886667

[spring jetty]

That's terrible news, imagine I spend tons of money on a t4 and it turns out I get a land mark for a type of fuel that has only 1 or 2 sites

[pure cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/edge-of-seventeen-edge-of17-the-edge-of17gi-fs-life-isnt-fair-gif-6202225

[spring jetty]

And why would someone spend resources to convert fuel when we gonna sell them anyways

This could be really bad for t4s

[celest wagon]

Me who wants to buy 1 t4 I'm scared now..

[spring jetty]

We should be able to choose which resource we wanna boost when we are spending so much money instead of relying on luck

[celest wagon]

Maybe better buy than t2

[spring jetty]

Cos land marks are the reason people wanna buy the higher tier lands, and if they turn out to be useless it's really gonna hurt us

[hearty cradle]

that is called the floor price

[celest wagon]

Yes....

[spring jetty]

Now buying higher tier lands almost feels like it's an insanely expensive gacha game

I wonder if the devs have considered this factor cos it's pretty important

[celest wagon]

I'm just going to buy t2s in each region, it tires me

[hearty cradle]

ive told ya, its a whales game

[spring jetty]

This ain't right though 😂

They need to make changes for it

[ancient matrix]

@hearty cradle do you believe the plots drop to the 60 -70 minutes mark?

I can see that people will be more careful with the general sentiment going on in the crypto space

[vivid cipher]

They have. It’s a game.

[hearty cradle]

people will still try to flip land and cry later

[vivid cipher]

How important is the matched landmark to potential production?

[ancient matrix]

That will happen for sure 👍

[hearty cradle]

but you will get lucky if you dnt sleep for 3 days

[ancient matrix]

You gain 33% of one site type

[vivid cipher]

It’s a pretty bad 3 days for me. Gonna be busy.

[hearty cradle]

you wont be buying land?

you can take your time off, ill be here. Im not buying land

[vivid cipher]

So less than the increase in production for land tier increase. Right?

[vivid cipher]

I want to get one for fun. But my real life job is gonna be hectic.

[empty path]

Just send me 2 ETH, I'll get you a T1 😏

[vivid cipher]

Too poor

[empty path]

ikr

[ancient matrix]

T3 has 33%boost on one mineral site, and tier 4 33% on one fuelsite. So you could say it has 9 fuelsites +300% = 36fuelsites .. and one of the 3 types gets a boost 33% extra. Which lead to 48 fuelsites on average

[hearty cradle]

you can send me 1 eth, no land

[vivid cipher]

Too poor

[ancient matrix]

I have 45 silv2 and I'm going for a land 3 and filling up what I can. That is my plan

[vivid cipher]

I’m gonna have to use my sILV2

[hearty cradle]

hmmm you really need to get lucky lol

[vivid cipher]

Boost on a single site? Seems wrong.

[hearty cradle]

T3 is around 70 sILV2 at 50%

[ancient matrix]

It boost a site type

[empty path]

I still didn't make up my mind

[hearty cradle]

should be only 1 type of element/fuel, NOT one node
landmark i mean

the Tiers bonus is for elements AND fuels

[ancient matrix]

I checked on etherscan and I'm placed 800th placed with the most silv2 😄 I hope some will take a nap and let me grap one haha

[spring jetty]

How do you check this I wanna learn lol

[hearty cradle]

you have a better chance in T2

[vivid cipher]

Etherscan

https://etherscan.io/token/0x7E77dCb127F99ECe88230a64Db8d595F31F1b068#balances

[ancient matrix]

Google etherscan silv2
And look for the holders data

[spring jetty]

Number 1 has 11k 😂

[ancient matrix]

Sure I will observe the market and if all gets bought at the 30min mark already than I have to go for T2 but i will not fomo

[spring jetty]

I'm ranked at 220+, and I want a t4 gotta wait at least 60 mins during the sale

[hearty cradle]

yea the whales are pissed that T5 cant be bought in silv2

[empty path]

And already sold 4k

[ancient matrix]

I'm glad they did that 😌 fresh money coming into the project

[hearty cradle]

thats why i dnt bother with the land sale

[vivid cipher]

Yup. If you don’t want to play the #🎮〕illuvium-zero game (including all it’s complex and real world economic forms) then land is not the thing

[simple juniper]

Ranked at 220+ what?

[frosty shoal]

Can anyone tell me how many ETH will the sale of the land start from? Thank's!

[vivid cipher]

Of all sILV2 holders

[simple juniper]

Oh wow how do you check that

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message it’s in the IIP

And you can check the other pinned messages in here too

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message etherscan has all the answers

[frosty shoal]

Thank's!

[ancient matrix]

Almost 😆

[shell rose]

dang, looks like i need to step my sILV2 game up!

[half turtle]

I know this is off topic here, but are there really only 4700+ unique siLV2 addresses? I would have assumed there were more

[empty path]

Etherscan doesn't lie

[half turtle]

yea Im just somewhat shocked considering the size of the community. Im also assuming that some people have multiple wallets

[ancient matrix]

I dont have multiple wallets but i have some friends that only claim ilv

[half turtle]

also makes sense (in the long run)

[spark ruin]

with so little people holding i think the land price with be low

[hearty cradle]

it is really centralized

[half turtle]

well some of those wallets are deep.. some of these peeps can buy compounds with their sILV stash

[spark ruin]

yeah but we have 20000 land

[ancient matrix]

And those few 100 people cant be on 3 days long 😆

[hearty cradle]

cocaine

[ancient matrix]

You always have a matching answer 😁

[half turtle]

agreed.. there is a large concentration at the top. Those in the top 100 could easily buy several plots. Im sure many of them are earning high yield on a dinosaur stash of ILV.. and yea its only three days.. Staying awake for a few days is do-able. much crazier things have happened!

[ancient matrix]

It will be thrilling

[jagged brook]

Indeed I feel like that is going to be the way to go.

[celest arrow]

🤣

[desert trout]

There will absolutely be lulls in buying since they are doing it in the middle of the work week

[slow cedar]

I'll be on my phone at work watching and buying, don't you worry

[austere whale]

That's why I took day off for 2-3 june

[little moon]

Should I buy Two lvl 1 lands or one lvl 2 land ???

[austere whale]

Depends what you wanna do with land, if you plan to flip in future, I would go for 2 t1 so thay I can keep one and sell one for profit

[shell rose]

Is anyone here planning to build some kind of community tracker for the sale, or nothing anyone knows of yet?

[vapid bough]

Woo!

[vivid cipher]

Do you think Kain will outbid keiran in the t5 auction?

[odd brook]

Keiran said he wouldnt be going for t5

[vivid cipher]

Shh don’t tell Kain.

Yeah. I knew they weren’t. But it’s fun to pretend.

[karmic imp]

ayo, gm gm

[plain sundial]

Does anyone know how the rev distribution will actually happen?

[blazing ferry]

No, I don't believe that's been finalized/released. In some way it will be paid out regularly but randomly in a way that prevents people from buying/selling ILV just for revdis. i.e. I think the land sale revdis will be spread over 6 months (if I'm remembering that time frame right)

[foggy glacier]

Has the price of lands been announced yet?

[plain sundial]

Hmmm. So its not a smart contract mechanism?

[blazing ferry]

ETH generated will be used to purchase ILV for the revdis at each distribution

[blazing ferry]

That's beyond me 🙂

[blazing ferry]

yep! #🎮〕illuvium-zero message These are just the starting prices for the Dutch Auction though, no one is expected to buy at the starting price

[plain sundial]

So profits in. ETH go to Vault and with that randomly triggers a buy on $ILV. And that gets distributed?

[blazing ferry]

correct, then stakers will have access to liquidate that ILV right away (no lock period on it)

[sacred needle]

Has it been officially confirmed that the revenue of the land sale will be distributed over a longer period? I thought we'd see an IIP on that

[plain sundial]

Cool Mozeen thanks sir.

[blazing ferry]

Good question. I do wonder if we should expect an IIP or something more formal. It makes a ton of sense to do it that way though to prevent buying ILV just for the land sale revdis and then dumping right away afterwards

[sacred needle]

Definitely! I heard Kieran as the main advocate of spreading it out, but Rahlord seemed to be against. Was just wondering if I missed anything👍

[slow cedar]

I remember this spreading out of the land sale funds being talked about 6+ months ago. Pretty sure if we were going to see an IIP it'd have happened long ago

I think tbh, the spreading out has to happen or people would buy in, get revdis, instantly sell - that's not the kind of people anyone wants gaining from big sales

[blazing ferry]

yeah, best for everyone to attract long term investors and not traders looking for that quick flip

[plain sundial]

I think that the whole mechanism is buld around that random buy wall that the gets triggered randomly so it can not be front run by whales/traders

[sacred needle]

Just flipped through a couple documents in #📰〕governance-news, and there doesn't seem to be one adressing the spreading of revdis. I do fully agree the revenue shouldn't be paid out all at once, to discourage flippers

[slow cedar]

I guess the worry is that someone internal front runs the times to buy and sell - but there's no way to fully remove that in a clear way I don't think

[plain sundial]

I mean, if someone wants to exploit or try to, can but the play the warwicks are counting on is long term holders. And rewards according to your loyalty!

[sand radish]

Relentless 😆

[sacred needle]

I think the market cap will grow in tandem with the revenue (distribution), so the effect of the revdis will just be a gentle nudge upwards, as buys happen pretty frequently; Aaron said every few hours.

This way even someone internal couldn't make that much profit off of the knowledge a buy is going to happen, since the price wouldn't spike That much. This is just about the day-to-day stuff though, not the big events (like landsales)

[slow cedar]

Yeah that sounds useful. The lamd sale was a particular concern I remember from deep in the past though as they knew they couldn't just do it as a lump sum

[blazing python]

Why are we doing the land sale before the Illuvium Zero Alpha?

[desert trout]

Probably because the land units are unique and the owner is the person who should be testing it to make sure it works / see how it works

[vapid bough]

IZ is pretty much a fully functional game already to my understanding - it's just that Grant demanded to redo the art for the entire game at a higher level, so he's been working tirelessly on that to bring it to top quality graphics and art. I say this based off the interviews I've watched with the devs lately. While this introduced a small delay, the outcome is a MUCH nicer looking IZ game.

Small sneak peak at the new art. You can find more in #🚰〕leaks .

Open the original file in new window and zoom in. The level of detail is insane.

[blazing python]

I'm hearing the same thing Lucius and I keep asking myself.. Couldn't we just patch the skins on the buildings? It is only an Alpha and highly subject to change.
As a potential land buyer, I'd like the opportunity to test drive the mechanics to assist in establishing my price point.

[desert trout]

I think we can all understand that perspective but also it is just an alpha for a game mode that will have lots built on it in the future so it’s probably not going to be a huge concern investment wise rn whether we’ve tested it or not since the main function is just produce resources and find blueprints rn

[tardy fern]

wow this looks insane! Was this all grants hard labour hes been putting in over the past 6 weeks?

[vapid bough]

Exactly. Dimitry and others also.

[tardy fern]

do we have an eta on when the new doc talking about land will be published?

[mild ledge]

New art looks insane. Now I want land in each region

[vast gate]

It really does look insane. It didn’t look bad at all before but this is really next level

[barren spruce]

Where can I see this

[hearty cradle]

i am 100% for evenly distributed revdis over 6 months or so.

however, for this land sale and illuvitar, we need to show some revdis for the OG holders aka angels, VCs and whales

so that they dont dump heavily on us in july

this is how see it if i were the dev

[rotund vine]

I feel if you believe in the project long term there wouldn't be a point dumping ilv in July

[mild ledge]

If you scroll up a little you can see an example. There are a few more in the #🚰〕leaks Instead of the same generic land in earlier versions now each region will reflect the fauna and terrain of the region they are located in.

[undone skiff]

Hi, They mention "Mega Stuctures" in the Polemos hosted AMA regarding land. Do we have more info regarding what this Mega Structure do?

If they require say 2x2 plots. does that mean that structure can be shared between adjacent land. Example, warehouse structure can be shared between 2 or more lands.

[blazing ferry]

There will likely be a significant gap in game revenue after the land sale, before over world sales really ramp up. Wouldn't holding back some of that revdis from VCs (via 6 month distribution) help encourage them to hold tokens past the unlocks?

[hearty cradle]

they havent decided on how megacity works. As far as we know, the resources transfer fee is free for the plots in the megacity, they teased something about a spaceport

[little moon]

So I'm confused where can I find how much silv2 is needed to buy land ?? i know its 2ETH to start on lvl 1 land but how much Silv2 would that be ??

[hearty cradle]

The OG was promised revdis. Revdis is like the holy grail, the promised land. Evenly distributed revdis will benefit new holders more than the old holders

[hearty cradle]

Just divide $ETH by $ILV
Atm it's 6.68 sILV2 per ETH

[little moon]

Wait so is silv2 and ilv the same price just one is the tokken and one is in game ??

[hearty cradle]

sILV2 value = ILV price

the $ u see on uniswap is the market price for sILV2

[little moon]

So can you explain what people mean when they say Silv2 is 60% off ? if your going to need the same amount of Silv2 in the land sale as ETH how is it cheaper ?? sorry for all the Qs man I'm trying to learn as much as I can before the sale 😅

[deft marlin]

What’s the realistic price of one of these land pieces outside of the Dutch auction starting price?

[desert trout]

@little moon the land sale will assess silvs value at the value of ilv so even though secondary market it costs $140, it's worth 311 for the land sale if it were to happen now

[hearty cradle]

25%-50%, maybe much lower after the rate hike in june

[neat plover]

Eventually we won't be able to catch some illuviuals right? Does that mean that specific type of illuviual will never be released again, or just that particular skin is discontinued?

[desert trout]

@neat plover eventually the only place to get axel or ramphy will be secondary market

[neat plover]

is that a certain skin

ohhh it's a type of illuvial so it has in game battle effects

[hearty cradle]

it can go extinct, yes. probably 18-24 months after OB

[desert trout]

yea they are like pokemon, the actual creature

[neat plover]

Hopefully we don't see too much pay to win in the game

because that will cause alot of balancing issues

[desert trout]

doubtful since first stage is all you need to use any of their stages. you'll need to invest in the game for sure to compete in ranked but after a certain point itwon't make much difference except maybe leviathan depending on how levels and stats and abilities work

[hearty cradle]

leviathan, pve farming and bp farming is P2W

ascendant arena is not P2W, the stats quality is normalized

[hearty cradle]

i gotta give it you man

[neat plover]

thanks for this explanation man

That makes sense and also makes me more comfortable about the balancing

[rotund beacon]

Also by definition alphas aren't supposed to be for external playtesting.

well that response was apparently for a reply a long time ago :/

[simple grove]

I want motown @brisk plume

[austere whale]

Woohoo finally crimson waste leak

[ancient matrix]

Where?

[sacred needle]

True, but I doubt whales/VCs/angels are desperate for cash. Showing that the revdis system works will be a huge milestone and I think that will keep most people from selling. I would like the revenue to be paid out during a shorter time frame, but with the current market cap & market conditions, I think we should take our time

[austere whale]

Check the medium article

[ancient matrix]

Oh I found it 😁

[hearty cradle]

looking at the downward trend and the possibility of OB in Q4, i can safely say that the whales would want to take profit, and buy back the token near the OB.

just look at the sILV2 transaction history, the whales sold in batches of hundreds of sILV2, why would the whales sold their sILV2 ?

[pliant zenith]

Woohoo, it again looks pretty awesome!

[hearty cradle]

sILV2 bottomed at $105, only to recover to $148, would you suggest that the whales need cash?
the whales become the whales because they are smart with money management

the whales dont care about you or me, the whales only care about wealth creation, and moving market is the way they do it

[sacred needle]

There will need to be a balance between paying out quickly and discouraging people who are just trying to make a quick buck. The whole thing with Illuvium was that the gamers would have the power, so I guess in the long run we don't even want whales to be here(?)

[fathom ridge]

Probably make sense for them to pump ILV then right? So their sILV2 has more purchasing power?

[hearty cradle]

during the land sale yes, after that straight to the abyss

[tardy fern]

could be a play to flip sILV2 tbh offload during land sale pump then buy back in before illuvitars, nfa

could be a 4x accumulation of ilv or eth maybe

[hearty cradle]

the whales want land, no doubt about it,
im not sure they want illuvitar, that's for retail

[tardy fern]

yea illuvitars wont do that great imo volume wise because it's an infinite supply. Secondary sales heavily dictate what people are willing to pay during mint, it's the most important factor with out a doubt

[ivory bough]

They might be infinite, but not everyone will buy a T5 pfp of set one, which will make it probably priceless in a couple of years (that is if the game is pretty successful).

[hearty cradle]

land sale has been and will always be for whales.

and if you look at
kieran's tweet about "scholarship" and him tagging the guilds

[ivory bough]

Not really, but I suspect A LOT of ppl just sell their sILV2 before the sale, that is if the pool is still standing

[tardy fern]

yup once minting stops of illuvitars then you have a capped supply but during the mint, it's theoretically an infinite supply which is never good for secondary sales

[hearty cradle]

kieran literally wrote "Also, good news for whales looking for a passive income. I certainly don't have time to manage it"

[ivory bough]

Yep. But still a lot of ppl will want them, even if not a T5. Also this land sale might burn a lot of sILVe already and if the pool gets dried, the only way to pay for Illuvatars can be ETH unless you have some sILV2 around that you can use.

[hearty cradle]

guilds and whales

[ivory bough]

Tbh I won't really take the land passive income as that kind of an income you wanna spend your life on haha. 😄I wonder how much you can make in a month by playing on one T3 land everyday. Guilds can give you yield depending on the contracts. A lot of variables. Still, almost everyone can buy a T1-2 imo

[hearty cradle]

the sILV2 wallet rank scared me, i mean 11k sILV2

just how quickly can you sweep the auction?

[ivory bough]

It can also be to take profit at sILV2 pool, maybe not all of it. But when/if its close to ILV, that's good liquidating strategy.

[ivory bough]

Not quick enough. Not all lands will be added to gethere. Gotta wait for the next batch to come in and start the descending

[hearty cradle]

whoever created that pool is already winning

[ivory bough]

That's the point of being a whale in the crypto space, esp if that whale knows how the market works and is not a noob with daddy’s money 🙂

[hearty cradle]

well you are the most experienced person i know

[ivory bough]

lol I'm not THE MOST. Just been here for some time 😄

[abstract crown]

I feel like if your wanting to play the game properly buying silv now will save you so much money when it’s actually released

[cyan dew]

Exactly

[hearty cradle]

idk man, 2 months ago there wasnt much activity in that pool
now it is closely following BTC

[ivory bough]

Sure. I bet many will do that as well depending how many paid hours a day you wanna grind ILV

[abstract crown]

All the hours!

[ivory bough]

The liquidity is still not that much. Can easily move up/down. Interesting times. You see someone buy 1k sILV2 and push the price up and then sell and take profit.

[barren spruce]

how long does it take for the email to be sent to you after you get into the beta ? I C-A-N-T-W-A-I-T

[hearty cradle]

2 days for me

[cyan dew]

Did you got your email already?

[barren spruce]

that's fast, the list came out 3 days ago and I still haven't receive an email

[rotund vine]

Could you please help me find the list

[hearty cradle]

what list, guys this is IZ lol

[rotund vine]

Beta access list and yeah true my bad will keep it to IZ content

[barren spruce]

it's pinned in general

[spark ruin]

Do we have any ideia of the amount of silv needed to travel and to build the different shards?

[ivory bough]

Guys for Beta please use #💬〕general

[ivory bough]

Not exactly. It will be made clear closer to the launch

[ancient matrix]

Rich will add all manually over the week and he smis starting day so be patient my friend 😄

This one looks clean 😁

Shouldn't we have got an article for the land sale last week that provides all information about land?

[timber sapphire]

Yes

[fair temple]

We will be getting a complete revamp of the art though :D

[hearty cradle]

which region is this
i wan

[fair temple]

Seems like an icey one so Taiga 🤔

[spark ruin]

We can see the region before minting right?

[ancient matrix]

Yes

[spark ruin]

Ice is the best one so far

[tardy fern]

loving the confidence

[tardy fern]

dam that looks clean

[hearty cradle]

it looks tropical to me? ru sure its not halycon?

[umbral hull]

That's a good question. For all tiers of land.

[slow cedar]

In Johnny's interview with @ivory bough he talks about 15 - 30 mins per land. Could slim it down if efficient, could spend hours to get the last few % of increase

[umbral hull]

Makes sense. Though I think it will be more like checking in every several hours to harvest/build something.

If buying 10 t3/t4 land is even possible for you, then you are quite a whale 😄

[ivory bough]

just tell me where you are buying them and I'll sit right next to you

[umbral hull]

But remember I think it's spread out through the day, as an idle game

[slow cedar]

Don't forget lands all close may benefit from the future mega city expansion

[umbral hull]

That's a lot of shitcoins LOL. But yes, it sounds like a good play :)

Oh. I dont think they'll be minimum price. Hopefully they'll go down tho

[ivory bough]

you can follow all here: you can use the tabs to see the live prices in both sILV2 and ETH https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18u7qTwcm7EJNt0sW3YrZ19-W0U8-ta5uTMBpz9LzEAI/edit#gid=1624078536

[fair temple]

So, going off of how long it took for me to play Clash Of Clans, I played 5-8 hours initially per day, and grew like 5x as fast compared to others.

but as Johnny and the others of the team have said multiple times, This is just a click and go idle game.
Based on this: If you skip over the first like 5 weeks of playing by hand with a bunch of cash, then you can manage the lands a lot easier.

When you login when everything is maxed, I expect you to need to click on: Harvest resources and then have to click on "start" for all of your gatherers as well on top of re-starting your scanner. Since that's all, initially you will need half an hour to figure the stuff out, but eventually you'll be able to finish within 5-10 minutes 🙂

Not sure if you have to do these actions multiple times a day, so if you don't want to live by the game, doing these handlings every 6-10 hours, then you could just let someone else do it 🙂

[ivory bough]

The lowest T4 can go is like 5 ETH

[umbral hull]

Yeah @brisk plume keep in mind that you will be able to lend it to a property manager to play it for you, if you want

[ivory bough]

IF it gets to 5 ETH you'll be a happy man I reckon

T3 wil be 1.23 the lowest

[fair temple]

and if you give them a finished plot and they have nothing to do other than click for 20 minutes each day, they can manage like 50 plots a day if they really want to. And if you give them 10% revenue per plot then they would still make as much income as 5 lands 😮

yeah but imagine getting 5 T4 plots of lands in revenue for working as someone living in a third world country? 😄 he'd be the richest man in the city

[ivory bough]

wondering how much $ you can make from 1 T4 land every month if you play it everyday yourself

[umbral hull]

I suggest you start your own third world country, at that point.

[ivory bough]

Make sure crypto is allowed there so you can withdraw your gains. Otherwise no point in making ETH when you can't withdraw it.

[hearty cradle]

ser im good with land ser

[umbral hull]

@brisk plume lm if you want an invite to our guild btw. It's a great group. But your dms are off.

[ivory bough]

I just hope Gas stays as low as it is today on the days of the sale

[hearty cradle]

hes my whale

[umbral hull]

For real. Is it possible that the sale will significantly affect the gas price?

[ivory bough]

Not really since it's a Dutch Auction. No way everyone will FOMO at the same time when it starts.

[umbral hull]

Lol I mean I'm trying to invite whoever - oh wait you're in it lol

[fair temple]

imagine us trying to do 270 transactions at the same time. It would still not affect the gasprice xD

[umbral hull]

Gotcha yeah it's not gonna be enough. Okay good lol

All good! I think one can be in multiple tho

[fair temple]

Polemos is not a guild, it's a universe xD

[umbral hull]

That's okay. We're pretty open lol

[hearty cradle]

[umbral hull]

I'm gonna be with my in-laws during the land sale... on a trip. I'm gonna have to explain why I keep checking the computer.

[fair temple]

If you only buy one land then you have no excuses

[umbral hull]

Lol nah I mean I'll be able to get my land, it's just that I'll have a tough time explaining what I'm doing lol

"I'm buying magic internet land with magic internet money that I got by paying real money."

[fair temple]

"i don't care about your crypto, boy" 😛

[umbral hull]

"Want to go for a hike?" "NO LEAVE ME ALONE I HAVE MY EYE ON A T3 TAIGA RIGHT NOW"

[austere whale]

I already got 2 days off from work for land sale, be careful I'm gonna snatch those juicy lands while sitting with my redbull stash 😉

[umbral hull]

Nice!! Yeah I may be at a slight disadvantage since I'll be distracted

[austere whale]

Take my advice: buy high and be done with it 😜

[umbral hull]

Lol yessir!!

[austere whale]

I'm jk

[umbral hull]

I imagine you cackling like an evil villain every time you successfully buy one

[tardy fern]

lol yes, hopefully people sleep for 3 days straight 🤣

[austere whale]

I don't have much silv2 though only 30 😅..still planning to grab 3 t1s or 2 t1s and 1 t2

[umbral hull]

Seems like that should be enough for 2-3

[crude lily]

i hope to be able to grap 2 tier 1 with 11.5 sILV XD

[austere whale]

I'm definitely not jumping in on very first day of sale

[umbral hull]

Def 1. If you get 2, you are probably pretty lucky

[umbral hull]

See the problem is, I think most people will wait til day 2-3. So there might actually be good deals on day 1

[fair temple]

Im gonna buy at initial value day one right away!!! Lol

[austere whale]

Oh yeah I know that's why I will be watching on sidelines, if I see a juicy deal I'm gonna grab it

[umbral hull]

Hah why? Real or jk?

See what I'm wondering, is.... are there going to be enough buyers for the t3/t4? I feel like they're releasing a lot of those.

[tardy fern]

well they certainly wont go for free

[austere whale]

He is playing mind games..so that everyone tries to jump on it and he grabs at cheaper prices lol

[jagged brook]

The answer is yes lol

[umbral hull]

Exactly. But maybe better discounts at that level. I think lots of people will want t1

[crude lily]

150$ of eth for fees is enought_

[umbral hull]

I would think so. Can't guarantee it though...

They're streaming the t5 sale live, right? That's gonna be fun af to watch.

[tardy fern]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-head-banger-moshpit-gif-10643462

if people ape in at 2eth, they are gonna get wrecked on secondary sales imo

[austere whale]

If you're planning to buy multiple lands, I don't think so it's enough because you can buy one piece in one transaction only

I'm definitely not paying more than 50%

[umbral hull]

Looks like he's only doing 1-2 transactions tho. But yeah, might want a little more, just to be safe.

[austere whale]

Then maybe enough I guess

[spark ruin]

T5?

[umbral hull]

Even if you realize you wont get any?

Like... I could maybe see some t3/t4 hitting 50% but I think t1 is gonna remain pretty high. Just my speculation though.

[vapid bough]

For those wanting to see a new land map, please go to our official website > exchange tab > Land
They just updated this page so now you will see a cool new interactive map and some other changes!

[vapid bough]

No ETA, but I assure you it is being worked on as a top priority.

[austere whale]

I believe t1s can definitely go to below 1 eth

[umbral hull]

If so, I want. But I'm not so sure. I think there's big money out there that will literally buy any t1 below a certain price...

[austere whale]

Let's hope for the best 😅..but I think if I sit for 3 straight days I might get atleast 1-2 deals definitely

[quick flower]

Including common Illuvials 👀 👀 👀

[umbral hull]

Hope so!!!!

[vapid bough]

The alpha drops are ever expanding 😉

[spark ruin]

Were can I see the looks of the different regions of land

[tardy fern]

@high sleet feel like your fate has already been determined with setting up camp in crimson waste since scoriox is there

[shell rose]

This is my guild guy - what guild you in? Man? I’m here for the jokes ha.

[hearty cradle]

im his scholar

[shell rose]

Haha. Youre not getting your own land?

[high sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[hearty cradle]

not from the dutch auction, no

[timber sapphire]

Why not?

[hearty cradle]

im not paying a premium during a bear market lol
ill pick something up when they fire sell it on the 2ndary

[timber sapphire]

Ill just 1.9x it for you

[soft spindle]

Jaganite just fudding the DA so we all sit out waiting for secondary and he swoops in

[umbral pecan]

Hi guys..... a question... is it official that the land can be purchased with silv2? and that silv2 at launch will have the same value as the ILV token?

[small star]

Yes and Yes

[umbral pecan]

THANK YOU

[vocal ridge]

just bought some more silv, im going after tier 3 land, wish me luck

[glacial garnet]

Do we know whats the island between the 2 continents? If not yet its gotta be something exiting in the future, cant be there for fun

[muted moth]

Yes. That is Sanctum Mesa, and you can’t buy land there. It’s kind of the home base that is used to travel to all the other regions

[true horizon]

Do we know if we can use land in game if it is on a hardwallet

[slow cedar]

Mind sharing how much your thinking a T3 will cost? I was hoping to snipe one around 20 silv2

[hearty cradle]

im just being defensive in my investment
i have seen OpenSea volume and it is not a good look
plus money committed in IZ land is not earning anything for at least a quarter or more
it is just not wise for me

[ivory bough]

With these prices and the current price of ETH and sILV, T3 will be anything from 20 to 1.2 ETH (134 to 8 sILV2)

[slow cedar]

Urgh, that's such a big variance. I both love the Dutch auction and hate it

[ivory bough]

So do I 🙂 It can both be a savior and a life taker haha

[outer flint]

oh man, on one side I love scrolling in this chat to get some input of other thinkings and on the other side it always show me that I'm on the poor side of having sILV2 since I only have 10... and won't be able to get a good land that I want to play and progress

I have to think about how I will be able to participate the most of the time in the auction since it's starting on a Wednesday. And exayctly on that time I'm on a business trip.... that's just my kind of luck 😛

[timber sapphire]

10 should be enough for some land

[amber narwhal]

i also think 10 is enoth, my concern is that my 6 silv is not enouth :((

[austere whale]

2nd June is Thursday

[timber sapphire]

So buy more :)

[timber sapphire]

Depends on your timezone too i think

[amber narwhal]

i have a little bufer if its not enough ;)) but also wanna safe money for illuvitars and gas fees and so on

[austere whale]

Argh these confusing timezones

[timber sapphire]

But you can buy illuvitars too with silv2 right?

[amber narwhal]

actually not sure,but cant see why not

[timber sapphire]

But yeah silv2 price can be very different soon so it should be your own decision

[ancient matrix]

How long have the auction being live that you consider buying?

[hearty cradle]

25%-40% maybe

i know i can get a bargain on the secondary, just look at otherseed

otherseed FP is 2.9eth, that wont cover the mint price + gas fee lol

[ancient matrix]

I also don't want to buy at higher prices as there was planned from the beginning 😄

I'm really curious if the gas fees will spike

Or stay under $100 over the whole time

[coral tree]

Here too… gas has been pretty low and with this type of auction there should be no war. I think below $100 but Saturday and Sunday is cheapest. When does the sale end??

[ancient matrix]

Sunday morning

[wary prism]

Yes, silv2 can be used to buy illuvitars

[spark ruin]

What are illuvitars?

[timber sapphire]

Pfp

[timber sapphire]

Depends on your timezone. For me it starts Thursday morning and ends Saturday morning if i remember correctly

[coral tree]

Well if you’re worried about gas middle of the night US time into Saturday morning and Sunday morning should be best I’d think. It usually is

I know Easter Standard Time middle of the night early Saturday and early sundays are usually best is all. But I think getting a low price on the land itself will far outweigh 30 GWEI to 200 GWEI

[ancient matrix]

I live in Europe so it will easier for my than 🙏

[outer flint]

I guess with timezones and stuff for me it is the 1st 😮

[ancient matrix]

Lol

[outer flint]

if 10 is enough then 6 would be also enough. It's not so much different since it declines much faster when it's later on. we both have to wait and maybe see on the 2nd, and 3rd day...

[ancient matrix]

Be careful than to not miss it 😆

[outer flint]

which country do you live in europe?

[amber narwhal]

same 😎

[soft spindle]

I am going in with a low target too. I think the current market is not conducive to a strong product for 6-12 months. It would be silly to overpay when you could target the secondary market in 6 months and use the capital elsewhere in the meantime

[hearty cradle]

smart

[outer flint]

I'm living in Austria 🙂 how about you?

[amber narwhal]

Denmark 😛

[hearty cradle]

i love vienna

[ancient matrix]

Switzerland but originally from greece

[outer flint]

nice 😄

so are our timezones favourable for the start of the sale?

[ancient matrix]

It looks like

Probably the morning hours are the best for us

[outer flint]

but it starts on wednesday the 1st of june right?

[ancient matrix]

I thought 2st of June 11 am mesz

[outer flint]

oh okay I have to check again then

[austere whale]

2nd June 0:0 UTC

[outer flint]

Sorry for the misunderstanding it is indeed 2nd of June

that's a lot better anyway for me 😄

[wary prism]

09:00 UTC

[crystal wave]

11:00 for me in Sweden

[mild ledge]

what percentage of sILV you guys are planning on spending on land vs illuvatars?

[glacial garnet]

100% land!

[mild ledge]

it's hard to judge the appreciation on both but some people seem to think illuvatars could even outpace land

I'm thinking 80-20 or 75-25, wanna spend most of it on land but wanna get some illuvatars too, just in case

[spark ruin]

Why would people want illuvitars? I don't get it

[quick flower]

Why not?

[coral tree]

90% land 1 illuvitar maybe

[analog tangle]

Why yes?

It’s a genuine question. Why would invest in a illuvitar rather than land

[spark ruin]

I don't know what the use cases of illuvitars are, that's why I ask

[quick flower]

I will use leftovers from land for illuvitar. Also, people have rock and ape images as pfp, I would much prefer an Illuvial pfp

[spark ruin]

What is a PFP?

[quick flower]

Profile picture

[spark ruin]

For Twitter?

[quick flower]

And also in game

[spark ruin]

I see, what Is the price of these illuvitars?

[quick flower]

It will be your identity in game basically. As you get achievements and such you can add to you avatar, as a way to flex

I don't think we have a set price yet, but I reckon they will be fairly cheap

[analog tangle]

I quickly went through pinned messages here and I couldn’t find any info on illuvitars. Do you know where I can find more details?

Except for pfp I still don’t know what their use case is.

[quick flower]

Just pfp

[spark ruin]

Can I chose what illuvitar to buy or is it random?

[analog tangle]

Thanks

[quick flower]

You can choose the illuvial, the frame, background, accessories. You can see examples in Kieran's tweets or some of the leaks

[mild ledge]

well, their use case is just being a pfp, however, they will only be available to buy for a very limited time and as with all collectables, the first generation ones could become very valuable in the future if the game does well

[spark ruin]

Can I buy it when the game comes out or is like the land?

[mild ledge]

and I expect the game to do well

[quick flower]

Illuvitars will be availabe soon after land sale

[spark ruin]

I can see myself getting one if it is cheap

[quick flower]

They also mentioned limiting set one sale for only a few days. So set 1 will be very rare in the future

[quick flower]

Yep, if you don't add a bunch of fancy accessories it should be very cheap

[mild ledge]

exactly, that is why I wanna buy some for sure

[spark ruin]

But we have the know the full list of illuvions before the sale right? I don't know what my preferred one is

[quick flower]

Those in the beta right now will be available for sure. Let's wait for official announcements

[ivory bough]

The old proposal is in #📰〕governance-news with old prices

[vast gate]

Are you sure? I thought it was all randomized. The information is in IIP-13

[quick flower]

I was referring to this one :/

[vast gate]

Ok yea but you don’t choose the illuvial, you choose the rarity level

[quick flower]

Oh I see, it's a gacha game then. Sorry for the misinformation @spark ruin

[vast gate]

No worries. Just didn’t want people to be disappointed if they thought they get to pick everything

[spare sleet]

Guys what about the price of silv2? Is it time to add a bit to portfolio before land sale?

[spare sleet]

Is this from devs or is it alive already?

[half turtle]

Has there been a tutorial for land purchases marketplace?

[granite pecan]

I know ill be buying all silv 2 prior to land sale. gives me more buying power

[vapid bough]

Illuvitars page not live yet, but it's in the works. The little I've seen so far has me excited! The team is working hard behind the scenes.

[hybrid thicket]

Someone have a board of lands prices ?

[empty path]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hybrid thicket]

Thanks bro

[iron laurel]

Kieran mentioned in a YT interview with Volkin that the first batch of Illuvitars would be available for a short time, he was talking like 3 days. The second batch is already ready to go.

My understanding (someone please correct me if I am wrong) is that we will all get to mint a free Illuvitar but this will be a Tier 0 Illuvial picture. We can then purchase Illuvitars. They will be different tiers with each tier costing more but you won't get to choose the exact Illuvial in the Illuvitar. For example, I want a Fern or Blazenite Illuvitar so I will need to purchase a Tier 4 box and hope for the best. But maybe I get a Singe instead. I would either be able to sell that in the marketplace and then try to buy a Fern/Blazenite or I could try to do a 1:1 trade with someone I trusted.

There will be 15 in the first batch. Unlimited mints but for a short time. Then they are gone forever. Realize that people will buy accessories for these and once the accessories are put on them they can not be removed. They are permanent. So if you put glasses on Atlas he will always have those glasses, even if sold on to someone else. This is why the future value of these could be very high. Imagine that Illuvium goes from the number of people we have now to 5 million. Those new people may really want those first batch Illuvitars. Now imagine trying to find one in a few years that has no accessories. They will be rare and if NFT's teach us anything it is that people like PFP that associate themselves with the originals of whatever space they are in. So, that is why a lot of us think Illuvitars will be valuable in the future.

[fallen nymph]

Awesome info. 👍
Has any price info been leaked about the different tier boxes?

[fair temple]

Illuvitar boxes 😂 but yeah these are nice prices... why so high tho cmonnn :]]

[empty path]

You ask prices in #🎮〕illuvium-zero, you get land prices

[empty path]

I think you should be able to find them somewhere in #📰〕governance-news.

[fair temple]

Wen illuvitar channel @whole spear

[empty path]

Frikking mega pint did it again

[fair temple]

Meg...a pint? 😂
I really hopes he joins us in Illuvium...

[whole spear]

sooooonnn

[undone phoenix]

Soooooonnnish* there - I fixed it

[fair temple]

Thanksss

[tight kestrel]

we'll be able to add an illuvitar acessory anytime? or just during the sale?

[vivid cipher]

Any time.

[grim yew]

is lands on silv2 insanely cheaper or same price as if i buy with eth?

was seeing some sheet about land prices and feels like half the price if i buy using silv2

[floral locust]

this is true, assuming the price of ILV does not drop by the time the land sale is around. If it's the same or higher its a discount

[grim yew]

So eh correlation for land silv2 price is $ in eth = $ in ilv. but silv2 price is 136 while ilv is 300??

i dont understand, why silv2 less than half on ilv?? care to explain?

[floral locust]

simply put, silv2 will have the same purchasing power as the current price of ILV during the land sale

[grim yew]

woww

[floral locust]

because it's a gift card with no use case yet

[grim yew]

crazy, imma load silv2 them

[floral locust]

not a bad bet just be careful, my last buy of silv2 was just under $300 before the crash, now ILV is at $300 so not discounted. need to weigh the risk of of market goes down further

[grim yew]

yeah im like 80% liquid, was gonna throw at eth for land but now imma dca into silv2 instead

[ionic sierra]

and the nfts that are sold in opensea now? can they be used in the game? what do you think of them? Their value will be high and if you have those that are the authentic originals, you will be an OG… they could be worth 20 ETH or more

[bold hollow]

Do they plan to sell all of the land before game launch? Or will the 20 000 plots be generating all of the fuel in-game initially and then slowly become diluted as land sales occur?

[vivid cipher]

My understanding is that future land sales will occur hopefully as demand for fuel ramps up.

But if there ends up being low fuel demand there will probably still be another land sale before the end of 2022.

[bold hollow]

Thanks 🙏

[dapper frigate]

Hey guys, I'm planning to get a piece of land, problem is, I have 0 liquidity. I can only use my ILV sitting on Binance. Should I swap it for silv2 or eth? Do I do it now or should I wait? I'm kinda lost

[tardy fern]

thats upto you. Keep in mind sILV2 will = ILV price for land sale

[tawny sandal]

Swapping to silv2 will give you more purchasing power.

[tame brook]

i sold my SLP for 180 silv2. i am retiring in 2 months not a gamer but would love to have an app on my phone making me 20-100 a day. i should buy a couple 2 or one 3? what u all thinking? how close to full price ILV u think silv2 will be at time of sale?

[forest jetty]

im trying to buy 2 or three plots of land, id really like to run like 10 plots tho and be kinda like a property manager lol hmu if you need someone to run the land!

[coral tree]

Who’s fired up for some Zero!!!!? 🙂

[coral tree]

If I had 10 I’d end up spending 6 hours a day running them lol

[mental niche]

I am baby! haha I already took off work

[forest jetty]

same, but thats the idea. might stream it. i just love the idea of running a bunch

[coral tree]

Nice 🙂 I love city builders and cell games. I’m going to play the S@&/ out of this game.

[coral tree]

I didn’t take work off for land sale but I’ll be taking it off for the full game at release for sure

[tame brook]

What’s a good game to play now to practice up the skill set for Zero?

[hearty cradle]

CoC

[vivid cipher]

Simpson’s tapped out is one they’ve mentioned.

CLash of clans has too many other things going on I’d say.

[coral tree]

I think Simpson would be good. That was my first thought… but I think it’s going to be a lot like command and conquer but without the battles

[hearty cradle]

oh yeah simpson. farmville?

[coral tree]

There’s another good one like it… I’m trying to find it

[hearty cradle]

i remember simpson was a bit expensive

[vivid cipher]

when used in the land sale (or any other payment to the game) sILV2 is accepted as being equal in value to ILV at that moment. So it does not really matter what sILV2 is trading for in any third party liquidity pools.

[vivid cipher]

Oof

[desert trout]

soon as they introduce mechs and space battles to illuvium lore i totally see more CaC combat being introduced to zero / overworld

[vivid cipher]

Yeah. Eventually. I don’t see that any sooner than end of 2023

Probably later

[desert trout]

@vivid cipher damn, you're ambitious XD

I was thinking late 2023 if not 2024 for that considering all the work still to be done imo on what we have atm

[vivid cipher]

Oh lol you said soon as. I though you said soon when.

[desert trout]

I want the full auto battler and overworld out asap but I'm completely ready to watch them focus on building that out heavy for the next few years really. expansions are great and it would be rough if the team moved on too quickly.

[hearty cradle]

hell yeah RTS

[desert trout]

@hearty cradle off topic but you know about metal core? That stuff gets me excited seeing a hopefully good mech game finally

[hearty cradle]

no really sorry, i just yt it and it looks dope. is it like starcraft?

[desert trout]

i'd say the premise as far as i can tell so far is kinda battle royale esque with mechs, aircraft, and land vehicles. so royale scale with maybe a mix of say starcraft, titanfall, armored core style gameplay. @hearty cradle

they shared some in engine screenshots the past few days and it looks good. environments are well detailed.

[wary prism]

I tried playing simpsons. Problem was I kept thinking about how much more fun it would be with NFTs. I need IZ!

[hearty cradle]

i reckon a CoC style RTS is going to be easier to implement with the current IZ build, i mean have the builder and a map right

[opal arrow]

whens the sale for land?

[empty path]

!land

[dry forge]

June 2nd is the date set for the first Land Sale. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero is a building game staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints, interacting with the main game. There are 100k plots of land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. We delete all progress when Illuvium: Overworld launches. For more information, visit #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[spice patio]

Just got me 21 sILV2 lets go

We shall see what was better to hold onto, 1.5 Eth or 21 sILV2

[bold hollow]

Anyone know where to find the chart showing land prices in SILV2

[empty path]

Check the pinned messages in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

Oh that's here

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[manic hemlock]

oh thats you who just pumped the price 😮

[empty path]

SM, timer update?

So when do you send me that bored ape, I only got 16 days left to paperhand it

[cyan dew]

Hyped

[hearty cradle]

16 days to pump $ILV

@vapid bough how are we doing with the IZ doc?

[timber sapphire]

Im guessing Thursday like most announcement/reveals

[hearty cradle]

so it will be exactly 2 weeks from the landsale huh

[empty path]

[hearty cradle]

aaaaand it's back

[empty path]

At least this time it's kinda correct

[hearty cradle]

Lord SynthaMan is always correct

are you applying for scholarship too @empty path ?

[empty path]

Where? How? What?

[hearty cradle]

Our Lord Syntha ser is buying 5 x T4, better get your shovel ready

https://tenor.com/view/farmer-gif-23977318

[empty path]

Lord SM can DM me if he needs somebody to take care of those 😏

[timber sapphire]

Do you have to arrange things with the owner or will it be a platform where you can apply for scholarship?

[empty path]

Unclear atm afaik

[teal idol]

2weeks to pump

[hearty cradle]

im guessing it will be official platform

[vapid bough]

It's the land doc (more focused on land details and auction info, mentions of IZ but not so specific to the gameplay). It's an absolutely massive doc that's still being worked on as top priority.

[hearty cradle]

thanks lucius-sama

[vapid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/well-done-good-work-kakashi-naruto-anime-gif-21617874

[tardy fern]

evening degens hows everyone doing

that land update looks great on the website

[split vortex]

Is there a demo version ready from illuvium zero?

[fair temple]

Internally they are already playing yes, check out the releasrd gameplay footage:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

but the public will have to wait approximately a month after buying land to play it. They are currently revamping the art entirely. Once we can play it, it will be the alpha, that will be reset upon launch of open beta.

[timber sapphire]

Wen open beta?

[spring jetty]

So i guess affinity doesn't 100% determine where an illuvial is located, since dash is a water type and is most common in Taiga Boreal which is an air region

[timber sapphire]

How can illuvium zero alpha be in may when land sale is in june?

[rotund forum]

Question. You have several lands… you can “lend out” each plot to a different person, right?

[rotund forum]

It will be launched like the other games end of june

[timber sapphire]

But the devblog said may

Is it just t0 and end of june rest of plots?

[bold hollow]

Can someone share their opinion on where tier 3 price might land in sILV ?

[rotund forum]

Can’t upload images here?

[timber sapphire]

Somewhere between 20 eth and 4.78% of 20 eth in silv2 at the time of land sale

[timber sapphire]

Only rangers can send images/gifs

[bold hollow]

That’s tier 4 isn’t it

[timber sapphire]

Wasnt that 80? Im not sure havent checked in a while

[bold hollow]

Yeah you’re right

[timber sapphire]

But yeah prices depend on eth and ilv price at the time

[bold hollow]

I considering having 62 SILV in case it drops to that. But then I might just be stuck with a heap of SILV 😂

No chance actually I just read the chart

I think you will need a 100 SILV minimum for tier 3 I think.

[timber sapphire]

If you are in it for the long term, holding silv2 is never wrong. Will be used in game and at later land and illuvitar sales as well

And will have ilv price

[bold hollow]

Yeah that’s my plan. Very keen for hunting in the open world.

[hearty cradle]

[queen ore]

i doubt it, ILV will be pumped to give SILV2 more value in the land sale and it will then be dumped just as fast

[slow cedar]

I would be surprised if all go for that high tbh

[bold hollow]

True maybe 80-100 range ? Or you think even lower

[queen ore]

for what tier are you talking

[slow cedar]

My gut says that some will drop really low - like 5 eth

[queen ore]

if ILV goes to 1k AUD or 700USD which is what im predicting, you will have SILV2 left over, and ETH has dropped in price also,

remember in the current market a lot of people have lost a lot of money, especially with what happend with luna, so not everyone may not be as interested to buy also

[slow cedar]

Agreed. I think this might be the best time to get deals on nft's ever

[queen ore]

can only wait and see

just dont FOMO in the fist 5 hrs lol

[timber sapphire]

3

[timber sapphire]

How is it supposed to go to 700 in 2 weeks?

[queen ore]

just like SILV2 got pumped from $220 to $440 AUD in 6 hrs

hype is a wonderful thing

[timber sapphire]

But the silv2 pool is way smaller right?

And thats only a 200 increase not 400

[quick flower]

It's 100% increase, doesn't matter 200 or 400
And whales can do wonderful things, we shrimps can only wait and see

[slow cedar]

Where can I find the price of silv2?

[potent dock]

About $146 rn, you can Google it and there are multiple sites that show it. I usually just check the last trades on Etherscan personally.

[slow cedar]

I've got to admit I'm a total noob when it comes to ethereum - basically using eth for the first time for illuvium

[potent dock]

https://etherscan.io/token/0x7e77dcb127f99ece88230a64db8d595f31f1b068#tokenTrade

[quick flower]

I use Dexscreener 🙂

[slow cedar]

So before I had a link to the silv uniswap pool, but not sure there's one for silv2?

[quick flower]

#🔗〕helpful-links go here

[slow cedar]

Thank you

[heady dew]

like a whitepaper?

[rugged epoch]

Where can i find info about the map and land region charateristics ?

[hearty cradle]

web

[high sleet]

dropped a banger in #🎨〕community-content 🙂

[empty path]

The clickbait tho

[hearty cradle]

im getting used to it

you dont want to be a millionaire @empty path ?

[empty path]

Correct

[hearty cradle]

more millions for me

[empty path]

Good luck

[timber sapphire]

No a billionaire

[hearty cradle]

silly me

[empty path]

No

[high sleet]

hey when i include millionaire i get more views 😛

[empty path]

Or less cause I didn't open it because of that 😄

[quick flower]

Try billionaire, you may get ten times more views

[rugged epoch]

How will items get created in game if illuvium zero will only create skins ?

[timber sapphire]

You can get 3 different kind of fuels from illuvium zero. For travel, items and shard crafting i believe

[hearty cradle]

crafted in the main game maybe

[hearty cradle]

it is just a click fraggy
help a brother out

[white cedar]

has the team said anything about when their marketplace is going live?

[spring jetty]

Fraggy doesn't need to be a millionaire she already is one

[hearty cradle]

marketplace no
Landsale yes

[white cedar]

I'm just deciding if we want to support the land on TT. they haven't released a map or anything yet either right?

[hearty cradle]

what do you want to know

they have a world map on the web

[white cedar]

where is that at

[empty path]

Wen 1 ETH 1 Million?

[spring jetty]

thoon

[swift goblet]

whats a rough estimate of how much, lets say, a tier 1 land can yield per day? That is probably the most important question.

[hearty cradle]

illuvium website

[white cedar]

thx

[hearty cradle]

if you are trying to estimate ROI, you are gonna have a bad time

landowner gets 5% of all ingame revenue plus revenue from blueprints

[swift goblet]

lol that depends on how good your land is at producing and what tier land you own.

[hearty cradle]

you have to assume the ingame revenue

[hearty cradle]

Yes 5% divided in proportion to your land tier

[swift goblet]

would still be good to know the limits of the land, and how efficient you can make it by spending money, or checking it every 6 hours or so.

[hearty cradle]

you can buy speedups. The detail on speedups is pinned

you can take a number,
$1.2 b rev/year
x 5%
/ number of fuel nodes (including the boost)

im too lazy to make the calc, someone said something about a T1 making $100/year

[swift goblet]

Cheers!

[hearty cradle]

any estimation is 100% speculation at this stage

[timber sapphire]

Of fuel right? Blueprints and other materials not included?

[maiden wasp]

if tier 1 plots can be combined will the plot coordinates be layed out in x,y terms so we know ones that are side by side?

[steady crypt]

So what happens in the illicium zero

[hearty cradle]

Yes

[hearty cradle]

yes, and you get a map too

[hearty cradle]

its a builder game

[maiden wasp]

Perfect, thanks for the info, trying for a tier 2 plot but not sure what type of fomo we'll see

[hearty cradle]

In which region?

[maiden wasp]

Havent decided yet

[drowsy portal]

will buildings have a set level depending on what tier of land you buy? or will they have small upgrades no matter the tier of land?

[maiden wasp]

Any thoughts on which ones would be most popular / bring most demand

[empty path]

Hard to say since it's the first land sale

[spring jetty]

so far fire and water are the most popular based on what i have seen

[hearty cradle]

imo

1. Crimson waste
2. Halycon sea

I want ramphy and atlas

[spring jetty]

btw the penguin is not in Halycon Sea

[maiden wasp]

Yeah this everyone is pulling for atlas

[hearty cradle]

taiga maybe

[drowsy portal]

Halycon sea looks the most interestingbut the more powerful illuvials are in the crystal shore soo xD

[maiden wasp]

Was looking into crystal shores

[hearty cradle]

which illuvial

[spring jetty]

the penguin lol

[drowsy portal]

xD

[hearty cradle]

stabin is in crystal shores?

[drowsy portal]

yea and pho

[hearty cradle]

how about that last illuvial?

[drowsy portal]

i know nothing about it lol

[maiden wasp]

Pho?

[drowsy portal]

yea i only remember the name of the description of the crystal shore

[spring jetty]

at this point we dont know, there are 7 regions and only 5 affinities

[hearty cradle]

i like the looks on halycon

[spring jetty]

and Dash as a water type belong to Taiga Boreal which is air region

[hearty cradle]

always wanted it by the beach

[maiden wasp]

Which region for tatopee?

[empty path]

There are good stuff in al areas

[spring jetty]

Shardbluff Labyrinth

[maiden wasp]

Looks op from the recent gameplay footage

[spring jetty]

I was wrong but fixed it

Shardbluff Labyrinth is pretty good too since Titianor is also in there

[drowsy portal]

Theres a small island on the middle of the map any ideas of what that will be used for? maybe a spawn/starting area?

[maiden wasp]

Appreciate it, need to do somemore digging and prep for the sale, hopefully 12 silv2 will get me there

[hearty cradle]

if i remember correctly yes, T0

[drowsy portal]

Would be a nice place to put the obelisk but I have no clue what else would go there

[hearty cradle]

poor kwon

[ivory fjord]

what you think the gas prices going to be on a T3?

how much eth should I set aside for that yall think?