🎮〕illuvium-zero

[barren spruce]

Wait, the first questio, are you asking if the buyer would get reimbursement?

[hearty cradle]

this is not a fair dutch auction

The transaction will be on IMX. Fees are on purchases
Gas fee is on withdrawals from IMX to your MM wallet and vice versa

[ruby oar]

when is the land sale?

[hearty cradle]

End of May or mid June

[waxen vector]

Do we do pvp battles in the lands? Like steal the ressources from each other?

[barren spruce]

As far as I know, land only collect resource and scan for imprints and that’s it for now, it’s not a main game and the team should focus on ILV first before ILZ and rightfully so

[waxen vector]

Is it official news?

[harsh acorn]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[harsh acorn]

☝️

[hearty cradle]

anything official you'll read it from the #📣〕announcements

[vivid cipher]

Apparently some people want to buy land only if there is a specific guaranteed return. There isn’t a guarantee. it is NOT yield farming. Just like how much revenue will be distributed to each ILV token. It is not know. Because none of us are living in the future.

[south belfry]

It’s fair just not that fair lol

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-truth-truth-i-want-the-truth-be-honest-say-the-truth-gif-17060758

[south belfry]

It’s gamified yield farming, and the team should have a general idea what they want people to pay to do a loop which would make it a simple calculation to find out 5% of that and then multiply it by how many possible loops happen in a day and then take that 5% and divide it by the land holders

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-whatever-gif-12942763

[south belfry]

I’m glad I live rent free in your head solar

[spring jetty]

people who are looking for a safe investment should really look into government bonds, just saying

[hearty cradle]

russian or el salvador?

[spring jetty]

im sure they will make a come back when the war ends 😂

[south belfry]

Lol

Can get more staking a stable coin over a bond lmao

[barren spruce]

Bruh…
Don’t you understand there’s just too many factors to be accounted for ? And doing so is as stupid as one can be because the moment the income doesn’t meet what’s expected, these ppl who commanded these ROIs are the first to cry, you are doing a business harakiri by showing any number at this moment

[vivid cipher]

So there’s maybe 3 billion potential players. $50 per loop average (across all tiers). 1 hour per loop. Most won’t do that loop everyday while some will do it many times a day so let’s say 1 loop per person per day. That brings us to $150billion per day. Ridiculous yes? 3billion players is a stupid estimate. But It’s all preposterous because we don’t know how many players will be playing or how many will be paying how often. We can estimate and guess all we want. Which is EXACTLY what has been done in the spreadsheets and videos that everyone gets directed to. But there’s no guarantee.

There’s a significant difference between yield farming. Yield farming (at least in the illuvium protocol) has a preset amount of tokens to get distributed. Staking for revenue distribution is different.

[south belfry]

We don’t need to know player amount but if it truly is 50$ average for a loop that’s plenty of information to derive some sort of calculation

[vivid cipher]

There’s a variety of price points available.

[south belfry]

So do we know what area 1 loops will cost or what they want it to cost?

[vivid cipher]

#814313779696238642 message
Prices aren’t set in stone yet. Because why would they be

[shrewd dagger]

When land sale

[south belfry]

So if loops were 50$ and every person in the discord just did 1 loop for the first day there would be around 700k in rev for land owners for the 5% and then if it was divided by 4000 land owners each would get 157$

As an estimate cause obviously the higher tier would get more and if all their plots were maximized

[vivid cipher]

One persons loop is not the same as another person’s loop. One will pay travel only and grind the harvesting. Another will bring a ton of shards (paid) and catch as many illuvials as possible.

Plus there’s multiple tiers of travel and shards.

[south belfry]

Everyone is pretty much gonna have to do the same loop once they first start the game are they not? I’m not talking about all the possible ones just the one loop that everyone’s gonna have to do atleast once on day one to get their first illuvial

[vivid cipher]

Almost certainly less than $50 then.

[south belfry]

Yeah so the number just changes

It’s just the most stable variable to calculate to get some idea

[vivid cipher]

Except the first day could even be grinding t0s for free for many people.

Except doesn’t it make more sense to assume people will simply pay what people are willing to pay into a game? That’s why taking a look at other games’ revenue numbers is the way most look at it. The team will be looking to set prices at a point to maximize revenue. Because that’s just smart business.

[south belfry]

You can copy other games all you want and take inspiration but at the end of the day it still comes down to if people want to do it and like playing

[hearty cradle]

• Travel cost
• Shards curing
• Fuel production rate
• Price of speed ups
  Are all determined by the dev or by the DAO

the only thing that we cannot predict is the number of paying customer and how much they are willing to spend

[south belfry]

Lost ark for example people pay stupid amounts just to progress faster but if the game wasn’t good they probably wouldn’t

You can’t really set expectations for your game to compare with another when the gaming community hasn’t really determined if it’s worth it or not

[vivid cipher]

So are you saying we can’t make estimates on the land roi?

Jokes.

It does sound like we are saying The same thing though.

[south belfry]

No take a step back now you said they’re trying to generate as much as possible by looking at other games

[vivid cipher]

No. I said when estimates are made by community members regarding how much revenue there could be community members look at what other games revenue looks like.

[vivid cipher]

I saw that you misinterpreted what I’d said but I didn’t care to correct it

[barren spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-ağlamak-duygusal-duygular-sel-cry-more-gif-19422074

^ Inside the Pelican22’s mind

[south belfry]

Well besides that not trying to compare to other games revenue but if there’s set rates for every kind of loop it’s easy to just make a calculation if 200000 catch loops happen a day or 10000 shard curing loops happen a day.

[vivid cipher]

The team doesn’t care about our estimates. They do their research and set their own economy models.

Yeah there’s tons of models that can be made.

[south belfry]

All I’m saying is they can atleast lay out a price chart of what they want each loop to cost depending what area you’re in where you travel or how much each shard costs to cure

I mean we can speculate everything else but this comes up and everyone runs like the plague

[hearty cradle]

they probably going to figure that out later
the average final land price will be a huge factor

[barren spruce]

I wonder why

[south belfry]

Because they don’t want to hurt land rev dis lol

[hearty cradle]

yes

[vivid cipher]

I feel like there may have been a bit more info shared but I don’t know if it was for public or not. I’m trying to find it.

[south belfry]

Well see if the silv all gets used up though

[lethal thunder]

Where do you think the price of sILV will go to if they are all used up?

[south belfry]

If no one buys silv it will just stay the same but if people buy silv to use for the sale it will go up

[simple grove]

Can you use the fuel from your own land to keep for playing the game?

[hearty cradle]

Yes

[simple juniper]

That’s a large reason why people are getting land. They like to be self sustainable

[hearty cradle]

not really

sILV2 is going to be cheaper than fuel

[barren spruce]

That’s one of the reasons I’m getting a land

[simple grove]

Lol, So if we get more than 20k players so not all can be self sufficient. Get in early guys……

[south belfry]

Not all even want land

[spring jetty]

i think Silv2 will be burned out eventually and the private pool will disappear too, so being able to provide fuel for self usage is important in the future(maybe not near future)

[south belfry]

There’s like 19k ilv holders and 4300 silv holders so at minimum 4300 want land and half of them can’t even afford land until it drops to like 1 eth

Plus a lot don’t even know how self sufficient t1 will even be

Will it make enough for 1 loop a week 2 loops? Completely unknown as of now

[hearty cradle]

T1 wont be enough for grinders

[hearty cradle]

whts yur plan?

[south belfry]

And I doubt casuals will want to spend that much to not be able to be self sufficient

[barren spruce]

Play the game, own the land, not expecting too much as of now, I only want the game to succeed and everything else will fall into places

[hearty cradle]

wht ru buying?

[barren spruce]

was aiming for T4 but as of now and all the delays, realistically T3

bought a lot of silv when everyone was expecting "late november" landsale, now i'm licking my wounds lol

[south belfry]

rip

anyone ever have a discord server on their phone just straight disappear but still show it on your pc?

[hearty cradle]

why not 3 x T2?

[barren spruce]

I'm hoping for any future implement for higher tier lands (3&4) but most of all, I don't want to own too many, I want to focus on the main game not ILVZ

[fair temple]

Who would want to play 3x as much for the same realistic returns Jaganite?

[spring jetty]

with the current economy in my country, t3 is most realistic for me as well. I hope to get a T4 in the future though

hopefully I will make enough money to buy t4 and staking :p from the main game lol

[south belfry]

if the floor for t3 is 20 eth and you buy 3 t2 for 6eth each its 2 eth less for 3 more fuel nodes

[fair temple]

But T3 fuel nodes produce 100% more than T1s compared to the 33% of T2 nodes.
And you have an elemental landmark boosting the production and conversion rates by 10-25%? (unconfirmed)
So yes 3 more fuel nodes but you would be able to build your land quicker regardless.

[south belfry]

thats a confusing statement made, from each tier is a 2.2-3x production over the previous tier

so since t3 has 6 fuel sites and t2 has 3 it has double the production basically

[fair temple]

No it has almost 6x the production.

Lets make it with random numbers:
T1s produce 100 fuel
T2s produce 33% more per node so 133 fuel per node.
T3s produce 100% more than T1s so 200fuel per node.

So T1 = 100
T2 = 400
T3=1200

[south belfry]

T1 - 0% boost
T2 - 10% boost over T1
T3 - 20% boost over T1
T4 - 50% Boost over T1
T5 - 100% Boost over T1

When combined with existing site increases per tier, and the landmarks (both as per current design), this gives a 2.5-3.3x boost to overall production from one tier to the next (edited)
Jump

[vivid cipher]

I’m not sure it’s per node garf.

[fair temple]

Im on my phone and i cant screenshot the table in the IIP easily. But it would not make sense if that production boost column wouldnt be per node.

[vivid cipher]

Ah the IIP. I’ll take a look

[south belfry]

t3 has a 10% boost over t2

[south belfry]

and only a 20% over t1

[little moon]

Viggy did you even read the proposal?

[low quiver]

my mans 6 months behind lol

[south belfry]

yes im literally copying what johnny said

[vivid cipher]

I tried to capture it on my phone anyways.

[south belfry]

so if its not right then it shouldnt be pinned anymore

[vivid cipher]

Probably a good call

[fair temple]

Makes sense that rhe production boost is per node right? Or is it the total production, which is the same as per node?

[vivid cipher]

Voted land sale IIP. https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/0xc6edddb2618ffb4b1d83933a27c35c7a483afba1d2aba0bd882dcb773c8ef71c

[south belfry]

but then again what does the production boost mean in the iip is it 33% more than t1, 100% more than t1?

[fair temple]

Yes obviously it is compared to the control group which has 0% boost

[south belfry]

like total production amount or what

[fair temple]

Makes no difference if you do the total amount +100% or do it individually for all nodes.

[south belfry]

i dont think it would be per node, it has to be overall production since theres more nodes

[little moon]

So each fuel node on a t3 produces twice as much as a fuel node on a t1

[fair temple]

Yep at least thats what im getting out of it

[south belfry]

that doesnt sound right and broken af

[fair temple]

Thats also what Johnny said: each land produces 3x as much as the one before. (But he left out per node lol)

[low quiver]

how is that broken?

[little moon]

That’s why the higher tiers are way more expensive.

[south belfry]

but then why is T2 shafted with only 33% lol

[little moon]

Otherwise T1 was by far the most cost efficient.

[fair temple]

Cuz it already has 3x as many fuel sites

[low quiver]

10X the price and 6x on element generated from a t1 to t3... still getting more value from t1 if it goes for max

[fair temple]

True... but elements dont matter as you cant sell em to the main game... it is all about the fuel and you get 12x the fuel production.

[low quiver]

12x fuel production and 10x price doesnt sound broken at all.. plus going to take a long time to get to that point

[little moon]

The landmarks add some value. Plus I would speculate there might some day be buildings that are only available to higher tiers.

[south belfry]

i feel like theres more confusion every day lol

[fair temple]

That would be a fun feature.

[south belfry]

it somewhat makes sense but its very poorly worded

[little moon]

Yeah I remember Kieran saying something about a spaceport one time. Do we want 100k star ports or only a couple thousand?
Locking cool stuff behind high tiers would create a cool market dynamic as the game gets upgraded over time.

[south belfry]

so t4 is 300% over t1 and t3 is 100% over t1 which is clear that t4 has 3x more than t3

[fair temple]

Well no that is not completely true... as 100%+100% = 200% production speed of T3
But T4s have 400% total. So they produce 2x as much per node. And have more nodes as well

[low quiver]

uhhh dont think thats how that calculation works lol

[south belfry]

but i guess the only way to get that is per node cause 3 more fuels cant produce that much more alone unless its per node

or i guess you can look at it as t2 is 33% and 3x is 100% for t3 and 3X gets you 300% for t4 and then 3x gets you 900% for t5

so then yeah it must be per node, or if theyre taking into account buildings optimized and next to eachother for a boost

[fair temple]

I think that locking away the PvP content would be pretty boring and maybe the team could even think up a way to leverage the free to play game. There can be a lack of participation if we have 4K T4 lands who might not all play the game intensively. And it would also get boring to fight the same people over and over.
So it could be fun to have T0 lands make some kind of invasive manouvers that you would have to deflect as land owners. This would spice up the competition rather than only having 100K (or less) players.

[south belfry]

also brought this up add some kind of clash of clans style gameplay for t0 since honestly there wont really be a reason to play it

unless someone really just wants to play it as a building sim

[vivid cipher]

If it came to it land holders could even receive additional playable land for pvp stuff. Land subdivisions.

[hearty cradle]

smart people
the return of lower tiers will be much higher

[hearty cradle]

it is

[barren spruce]

Don’t forget there’s this valuable thing we called time

[hearty cradle]

lets talk about discounted future cash flow
what is your investment horizon?

[barren spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hooray-its-weekend-ok-bye-ciao-slide-gif-15739082

[young linden]

😂 😂 😂

[barren spruce]

TBH with you, the only thing I care is for ILV to take off, the rest? I’ll think about it when the time come

My plan is veeeeery simple, get a land and pray 🙏🏻

[hearty cradle]

hold my hands

[cyan dew]

Wen land?

[timber sapphire]

Before the end of the year

[hearty cradle]

this year?

[timber sapphire]

I didn't say that 👀

[hearty cradle]

2077?

[timber sapphire]

Hope the game will be good by then

[barren spruce]

I hope my son will be taking a good care of my illuvials and the land he inherited from me

[fallow yacht]

lmao this

son I built this gas extractor over a decade don't mess it up

[timber sapphire]

deletes it immediately because you only played the game the last decade instead of spending time with him

[barren spruce]

To my sons, Kieran, Grant and Aaron..

I have left you each a land in this thing called hardware wallet, it’s an old gadget that you might have to get used to a bit but inside, you’ll find different kind of illuvials aside from lands, please divide them up equally and take good care of them, they should explain why you’re all have been neglected all these years.

Love,

Dad.

This letter was wrote somewhere around late November 2077

[signal raptor]

o/ guys, litlle question, is the revenue from I:0 (land sales) will be distributed to stakers ?

[hearty cradle]

they gonna open the "free mint" email and connect the wallet.
sorry

[fallow yacht]

still getting link scammed in 2077

[simple lance]

So I hear land owners get 5% of gas revenues from the game. I also hear it will take 6 months until your land is up to maximum performance. My question is if the game produces say 100million in gas revenue the first month and 100million dollars in gas revenue the 6th month, won't the land owners split 5 million dollars in the first month and split 5 million dollars also in the 6th month? So how does your land not being up to maximum performance affect your revenue. Seems land owners will be splitting 5% of gas revenues whether the land is up to max performance or not and I'm just a little confused on how that works. I haven't had my coffee yet so might be a very dumb question. The first month when we all start, most won't have their land at max performance yet we still split 5% of all gas revenue.

[barren spruce]

Yeah, seems you really need that coffee

[timber sapphire]

You dont get the revenue right? your land produces a certain amount of fuel and you can sell that to the DAO, thats how i got it. Idk if its right tho

[worn bridge]

Yes, your land produces the resources and you can hold, send them to yourself in the main game or sell them to the market for people to buy. But the resources we produce will only make up 5% of the total. The DAO will also provide these resources in market.

[lapis ledge]

Are the Land Production Boost (from higher tiers) and the Fuel Production Boost from T4 multiplicative or additive?

[worn bridge]

Don’t know if they’ve shared that.

[hearty cradle]

it takes time to upgrade your buildings to it's maximum capacity
just like Clash of Clan or other builder game

[hearty cradle]

5% of total ingame revenue is a ballpark figure
it denotes the amount of fuel supplied by landowners relative to the amount of supplied by the DAO

[worn bridge]

Yeah it depends on whether you want to spend $$$ to speed your builds up

[timber sapphire]

Yeah thats what i thought, thx

[hearty cradle]

should be additive
e.g. +100%

[hearty cradle]

you still need the resources to upgrade the buildings
so far, we cant buy resources in IZ
if they allow resources purchase in IZ, people can max out all the buildings in 1-2 hours

[worn bridge]

It was mentioned that we would be able to pay to speed up builds. With ETH OR sILV2 I believe

[hearty cradle]

yes, afaik you can buy speed ups from the app store / google play using fiat, but only the speed ups, not the resources needed

[worn bridge]

I may have misinterpreted

Gotcha

[hearty cradle]

i can ping johnny if you want a clear answer

lol i need that answer too

[worn bridge]

I have watched 100s of hours of YouTube AMAs and interviews, but I still am not 100% on everything

[hearty cradle]

@amber atlas
we have questions
we already know that we can speed up building upgrades using "speed ups"

• do we buy the "speed ups" from the appstore/googleplay using fiat?
• are the speed ups for duration only? or are they including the resources needed for upgrades?
  thanks

now we just have to wait

[worn bridge]

Thanks bro!

I’m wondering now cause I was planning to use my sILV2 to speed ahead a bit. Hopefully that’s the case.

Who said that?

[empty path]

Yeah, I don't think so 👀

[mortal mural]

Aren’t we still waiting for auditing to finish?

[empty path]

Target date is mid may

If they find an issue, they gotta change the contract and get it checked again

[mortal mural]

I wish lands were next week. My body is ready

[empty path]

Do you have beta acces?

[worn bridge]

@brisk plume I’m just as hyped as you brother! But…… more like 3-4 weeks I’m thinking.

[quick flower]

Do we need gas to send the fuel and resources for ourselves in the main game 👀

[hearty cradle]

probably not
its on imx network
you only need to pay gas for withdrawals from IMX network to Ethereum network, vice versa

[quick flower]

Oh yeah, i forgot they were both on IMX

[worn bridge]

Yeah the ability to provide yourself fuel in the main game is so dope.

[little moon]

on IMX isn`t a little Fee?

[hearty cradle]

on purchases

[little moon]

ah okay i tougth on every transaction

[harsh dew]

Does the spending time per day for the owner of T1 = T2=T3=T4=T5 is the same if we are only talking about 1 land here ?

[shell rose]

I think ‘mostly’ yes though maybe small differences may cause you to spend more or less on different tiers. I remember Johnny saying that Different tiers go faster to build to full efficiency of producing fuel etc.

[simple juniper]

They will be relatively similar after they have maxed out. You will have more things to upgrade and plot with the higher tiers in the beginning which means it’ll be a lot more time but as time goes on the gap between the time of upkeep between each tier will decrease based on what Johnny said

[hearty cradle]

dont we have to click each node to claim resources?

[spark crest]

Hello there, I just saw new land related page and in land tier grid, there is a column called Illuvials in each tier, where T1 land has Illuvials Tier 1, T2 has Tier 2 and so on. Does that mean, that we can scan for blueprints only for those Tier of Illuvials? So for example on T1 we cannot get Ramphyre blueprint?

[lapis ledge]

The answer is no, there is a mechanism of how this works in the pinned message regarding Researching. Any tier of land can research blueprints and/or scan biodata from any tier, as long as the building performing the task has reached the required level.

[spark crest]

Thanks. Then does anyone has explanation what does that column mean?

[lapis ledge]

Mm I'm not getting what you mean. Which land-related page are you referring?

[spark crest]

main illuvium page slash land, there is grid of tiers and each one of them column (or data or whatever) ILLUVIALS

[lapis ledge]

Got it. There must have been a mistake. Maybe someone from the mods or the dev team can confirm what the Illuvials column mean on the land page on the Illuvium webpage.

[quick flower]

Do we know what fuels and elements are used for yet?

Fuels are for shard curing I think, but what about elements?

[fair temple]

Elements are used for the Illuvium Zero game. Building upgrading etc.
Fuels are used for travelling, curing and crafting equipments. But also in the illuvium zero game, for certain high level upgrades

[quick flower]

Players can also get fuels in the openworld correct?

[fair temple]

no the only way, as far as i know is by getting them from Illuvium Zero

[quick flower]

Sick, more reason to grab a piece of land now

[spark crest]

AFAIK fuel from land can be only sold to illuvidex (not transfered to player) and player in main game can only get fuel by buying it from Illuvidex

[low tusk]

Hey guys, the land sale will happen on Inmutable (zero fees) or Eth (high fees)?

[lapis ledge]

On L1, not on Immutable.

[hearty cradle]

we should ping @amber atlas or @thorn wren about the Illuvials Tiers
this is news to us

[lapis ledge]

Ping ping ping! What is this heresy?!

[hearty cradle]

Players can buy fuels from the weighted-balancer pool with ETH.

• landowners produce 5% of all fuel supply
• the DAO produce 95% of all fuel supply

[hearty cradle]

buying land will be on L1
minting will be on L2

[quick flower]

So land owners essentially get 5% of revenue from fuels?

[spark crest]

Landowners get "money" from selling their generated fuel. 5% is just portion compared to whole fuel supply

[hearty cradle]

Yes
divided proportionately to the land tiers

[mortal mural]

@amber atlas what is this?

[thorn wren]

Hey bro, If im not mistaken this could be a typo and it should say Land tier and not illuvials 😬

[hearty cradle]

Thank god
Fewh
thanks for the clarification !
thanks @spark crest for noticing

[spark crest]

No problemo, glad its figured out 😄 was getting nervous about it

[hearty cradle]

tell me about it
you literally dropped the ball dude

[vast gate]

In addition, I hope some of those are place holders. I count 10 element sites when there should be 9 (and I’m not counting the mark in the middle which I assume is the landmark). The fuel sites are split 2/2/2 yet it says low variety. Wouldn’t that be the highest variety?

[shell rose]

The site hasn’t really been advertised anywhere yet has it? My guess is somebody got trigger happy and published ha.

[left fjord]

Do we know a date of mint?

[floral locust]

no official date, maybe end of next month

[analog inlet]

@floral locust there is no mint for illuvium .

the land sale for the separate game #🎮〕illuvium-zero is unknown at this time continue to watch #📣〕announcements for more official info

[little moon]

Whos in charge of IZ now? Is it nick?

Nvm. Just backread and my thing was about the “illuvials” by tier discussed above.

[amber atlas]

the Illuvial Tier is incorrect, and the renditions are artists renders, it seems artists can't count (joking Florian 😉 )

sorry I didn't pick this up before publication, been a bit slammed

I've contacted marketing team to get this cleaned up

[quick flower]

Any reason why it is divided that way? Seems a bit underwhelming for land holders

[jade ruin]

how much for each land at silv2??

[floral locust]

There is a spreadsheet in the pinned messages

[dire tiger]

Please note this is just a starting proposal by the team and it may be changed through iip proposal with council voite if needed. Most of the demand depends on player base and fuel consumption. You can also check out the Kirean’s AMA on Vetemor YouTube page on land sales to better understand.

[quick flower]

So it's basically the DAO'S ability to burn or add fuels if the price fluctuates right?

[dire tiger]

That’s what I understand. 🙂

[harsh dew]

Dmitriy and Grant have been upgrading drastically the graphics on ILZ, Have a look 🤩

[harsh dew]

What is the second build on the second image ?

[hearty cradle]

It's always been divided like that. For stakers the revenue is divided by up to 10m tokens, proportionately to the staking weight

[hearty cradle]

the number of plot wont change, it has been advertised.
the 5% is unlikely to increase, it is more likely to go down, because there will be more stakers than landowner

lol

[barren spruce]

Hell yeah 2 more weeeeeeeeeks

To wait another few more weeks

[lapis ledge]

Are only Illuvial-related skins obtainable through Land or will there be board skins/theme or music also obtainable through Land?

[quick flower]

Sorry if I miss anything but how are lands and fuels related to stakers and the 10m ILV rewards?

[hearty cradle]

Landowners produce 5% of total fuel supply
the DAO (staker) produce 95%.
This is subject to change by the staker

there are 100,000 plots across 5 tiers of land

there are up to 10m tokens across varies staking weight

[proper void]

who created this?

[harsh dew]

Us the Infoluvial look at my profil you will find our website.

[proper void]

could you send me a DM regarding an upcoming publication?

[harsh dew]

turn on your dm ?

[south belfry]

Price increase and eth droppin let’s gooooo

[viscid solar]

So beautiful 😻

[uneven dawn]

Will Illuvium Zero lands be tradeable via Opensea? Or exclusively to the Illuvidex because Opensea hasn't integrated IMX yet?

[barren spruce]

On illuvidex yes

[viscid solar]

Did anyone else catch this mobile image on the land site?! 🙀✨

https://tenor.com/view/so-excited-baby-cute-adorable-bath-gif-15061321

[carmine cliff]

wow..

[spark crest]

It was on official Illuvium facebook page

[carmine cliff]

how are we still dropping

[hearty cradle]

its just the market

[uneven dawn]

stocks are nuking and there's correlation between tech stocks and crypto

[cyan bone]

Nice share, really excited to see the direction Grant, Dmitriy and Kantemir are taking Illuvium Zero!

[placid musk]

So on a tier 1 land we can only scan tier 1 illuvials for blueprint?

[quick flower]

It's supposed to be land tier, not Illuvial s

[placid musk]

are we sure on that? So image is wrong?$

[quick flower]

Yep, scroll back a little bit, it was confirmed above

[placid musk]

Is it 'could be a mistake' or 'is a mistake'?

[placid musk]

Ok this is more clear, thanks. So whatever tier land you own you can scan every tier of illuvial for blueprints

[amber atlas]

yes Khaled wasn't absolutely 100% sure as he is relatively new to the IZ team, hence the cautious language

it is a mistake, Illuvial scanning has no relationship to the Plots tier, it is affected by Plots Region/Illuvial Affinities as per the pinned scanning design

---

also Grant is insane the new renders are amazing

[barren spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-point-wisdom-you-gif-5133380

[hearty cradle]

thanks for confirming
it is such a huge relief

anyway, i just have 1 thing that is super important to know
are we able to transfer elements and fuels between the lands in the same wallet at OB?

[amber atlas]

transferring betwen lands that aren't in a megacity will have some kind of transfer fee in Elements/Fuel and behind the scenes will go: Plot 1 => DAO => Plot 2

UX wise, the plan is for it to be a single action, so it is convenient, but not free

think of it like the energy required to teleport... in a megacity you dont need to teleport

[hearty cradle]

will it be enabled at OB? is the fee somewhere near 5%-10%?
my purchase decision really depends on this 😛

[south belfry]

so are you inferring mega cities will be a thing off the rip?

[harsh dew]

Is this building name is Power station ? It's a new design or I know one ?

Dmitriy and Grant have been upgrading drastically the graphics on ILZ, Have a look suite

[worn bridge]

Looks amazing!

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-wow-stare-cute-gif-15802629

[compact nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/were-the-millers-shocked-startled-oh-my-god-gif-5568395

[harsh dew]

The loop last 5min 45sec.
17min 22 sec of Illuvium Zero music is { Your thought } ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYgM0HGKLMI

[hearty cradle]

good video
damn T1 looks so deserted

[ashen palm]

Hei there. one noob question. on the new video about the five land tiers there are so many buildings on t5 and like 5 buildings on t1. is that like this? Is there not smaller outputs on the t1 lands? it looks so empty on the video.

[hearty cradle]

Yes
thats what you are paying for
im saying goodbye to my pets

[quick flower]

What if we can release some Illuvials on the land so we can see them walk around and feel less empty?

[lapis ledge]

Will board skins and background music (for example Christmas event) be available for purchase in-game or also discoverable exclusively through Land?

Will there be event-themed skins only discoverable through land at a certain period (e.g. Halloween-themed Rhamphyre that rains blood instead of fire 😂)?

What's the production boost for Fuel Landmark on T4 Lands?

[hearty cradle]

im gonna release matt

[tight kestrel]

thats nice... imagine releasing a rhamphyre in ur land, and than he just destroy it all

[shell rose]

Do we know how many plots and in what physical config make a mega city?

[iron laurel]

We know there are 7 locations to choose from for land and that different affinities of Illuvials will be showing up more often in different locations.
Do we know yet which of those 7 locations are linked to which affinity? Looking at them I can make some guesses but want to know if there was anything released from the team about this that I missed. I am planning my land buying strategy.:)

[reef jasper]

i would imagine that they would be friendly within their owners land

[simple juniper]

It will be 2x2 or 3x3 or any setup of that sort

[reef vapor]

@simple juniper I wish we had more detail on this. Does it have to a square? Would four adjacent lands in a straight line be able to form a megacity?

I know they probably don't have those things sorted out yet, but it'd be helpful to know when coming up with a buying strategy.

[muted moth]

From what we’ve heard it has to be a square. Now of course this could all change with a council vote, but it seems likely that is what they will go with. So 2x2 etc.

[simple juniper]

It will most likely have to be a 2x2 or 3x3 or bigger in that aspect now with what @muted moth is saying is obviously this has not been voted on yet but those are the details given to us by Johnny

[tall bear]

You you say 3x3, does it mean 3 adjacent T3 ?

[simple juniper]

no, 3 squares by 3 square. Each plot is going to be a map of square which are the plots of land

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/916099912947609670/unknown.png here is what it will look like

[tawdry plank]

My guess, megacity can be build around plot with landmark only. With T3 as a center, size will be 2x2, T4 - 3x3 and T5 4x4.

[shell rose]

I don’t think tier would matter for city size - I’m hoping it can just be ‘any square of any size’ maybe with a maximum limit for reasonableness.

[muted moth]

That is what I understand as well, just any plots in a square should be able to be merged

[livid gorge]

What tier land do you guys think 25 sILV2 will be able to get?

[toxic zealot]

Hey guys, how is the roadmap going? Is there any date for the illusion zero launch?

[austere mortar]

hello boys and girls, what do you need to play this game?

[rotund vine]

@livid gorge T2 Land with some Silv left over imo

[viscid bolt]

Currently, patience. It's not out yet.

[austere mortar]

T y

[hearty cradle]

hair

hi bro @thorn wren sorry to bother you
Can we have a confirmation about megacity? Is it going to be 2x2, 3x3, or either?
Thanks !

[little moon]

Nothing about megacities is confirmed yet. I think the current idea is that they would be square 2x2 or 3x3. Maybe bigger if you can buy the plots for it.

[hearty cradle]

2x2 and 3x3 is a big diff
we need a confirmation

[little moon]

You cant get a confirmation about something they dont know. But my impression was that they could be 2x2 or 3x3 depending on how big of a square of land you had.

so it would incorporate however many plots you could buy in a square shape.

[hearty cradle]

ru buying in 2x2 or 3x3?

[spring jetty]

I'm curious, what are the reasonable prices that you would purchase t1-t4 at?

[floral locust]

at the very original prices would be nice

[hearty cradle]

[hearty cradle]

im not sure man, probably we be getting cheap lands looking at current market condition

[spring jetty]

that be good, cos I was not able to sell my kidney after all lol

[hearty cradle]

you can sell other stuff like blood and semen

[spring jetty]

I doubt they will be enough to get me a t4 lol

[hearty cradle]

lol better start eating some celery

[spring jetty]

what does celery do?

[hearty cradle]

make it taste yummy and increase production

[floral locust]

You can confirm first hand? o.o

[hearty cradle]

you dnt? Weird

[floral locust]

lol let's get back to IZ speculation

[opaque spindle]

Looks like the otherside land sale is gonna bring in new liquidity 👀

[barren spruce]

Late November

[quick flower]

T1 lands only have one fuel site, meaning they can only mine one out of the three fuels right?

[simple juniper]

Correct however there will be a converter that can convert fuel into other fuels for a small portion of said fuel

[hearty cradle]

you gonna do this everyday arent u

[exotic ocean]

Her**

[south belfry]

still gotta wait for the marketing

[reef echo]

right, i was hoping we would see some of that this week

[south belfry]

i thought we were supposed to be seeing it since last week lol

[reef echo]

thats why I was hoping this week... lol

[south belfry]

but i guess just posting a sound track cycling the land for 17 minutes is enough

gotta compete with that bayc land

[simple juniper]

we are gonna go down as the #1 land sale

[south belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mcjuggernuggets-chillout-gif-13306028

[barren spruce]

I mean I would be surprised if we wouldn't

[empty path]

Wdym

[hearty cradle]

Fraggy is back

[tulip perch]

I sold my APE coin for ETH to make up for me spending some eth today worked out well ....wont be buying APE land

[south belfry]

well you cant even get their land unless you did KYC

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/letgo-lets-goooo-pickles-lets-go-excited-gif-13808708

[spark needle]

When is land sale

[hearty cradle]

end of may/june

[south belfry]

november

[empty path]

Where did you get this information?

[south belfry]

i have sources

[empty path]

Well please stop spreading false information

[vapid quartz]

Hello can someone explain this part to me

[mystic gull]

Not sure which part you are pointing to. Hope it is Illuvium-zero

[hearty cradle]

I hope its about illuvium

[mystic gull]

Most of the information is already pinned in this channel

[vapid quartz]

Damn i wanted to put a picture about the land sale of illivium but i cant put picture

[hearty cradle]

you can take a screencap

[vapid quartz]

No, something is not clear, they say :

While silv2 will not attract external revenue, it will incentivise current token holders to claim their yield tokens as sILV2. This phenomenon will massively reduce the total supply of ILV long term

I dont get their point

[south belfry]

nothings confirmed so everything is false info

[hearty cradle]

There are 3m tokens from yield farm
we can either claim as ILV or sILV2.
Every sILV2 claimed means less ILV minted
sILV2 is burnt when used

[mystic gull]

good info will be, contract audit ongoing. Estimated to end mid May

[topaz fable]

Land cost?

[empty path]

I already replied to this in #💬〕general, please don't post the same question in multiple channels. All information can also be found in the pinned messages here in #🎮〕illuvium-zero

[thorn wren]

no bother! I'm here to help :D, The megacity is a feature that is yet to be decided on its details.

[hearty cradle]

thanks!

[snow karma]

Are there articles or video's available which go in depth about the 7 different regions in Illuvium? Like which element belongs to which area, etc.

[shy burrow]

yo yo is land for sale yet?

[obtuse lagoon]

Alright so where can I find the details about everything related to this game? I'm looking for new investment opportunities, or am I late?

[fervent pilot]

!welcome

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started?

The #🔗〕helpful-links and #814084157713940482 sections have everything you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information.

Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date:

#✍〕rules
#📣〕announcements
#❓〕faq
#🚰〕leaks

[obtuse lagoon]

Tysm

[snow karma]

No info about the land regions?

[hearty cradle]

you mean regions and their affinity??

[snow karma]

yes

[hearty cradle]

not yet

[snow karma]

thanks

[lapis ledge]

I have some questions too. If it's TBD it's fine

• Will board skins, thematic background music when playing, announcers and other misc stuffs be researchable on Land or will they be separate in-game items that are purchasable?

• Will Land have time-limited skins (e.g. researchable Ramphyre skin BP in Halloween 2022 for a limited time)?

• What's the boost for Fuel Landmark on a T4 and is the boost multiplicative or additive with the Land Fuel boost?

[little moon]

Will be possible to show your own Illuvium NFTs on your land?

[thorn wren]

• Will board skins, thematic background music when playing, announcers and other misc stuffs be researchable on Land or will they be separate in-game items that are purchasable?
  Yet to be decided.

• Will Land have time-limited skins (e.g. researchable Ramphyre skin BP in Halloween 2022 for a limited time)?
  Very likely Yes.

• What's the boost for Fuel Landmark on a T4 and is the boost multiplicative or additive with the Land Fuel boost?
  Multiplicative for now. (might be adjusted once we finalize our economy data analysis)

[thorn wren]

Currently we have Hologram statues in illuvium zero that can be used to showcase illuvials that were scanned, maybe we can add a way to showcase ur illuvials there as well, but thats not yet decided on.

[little moon]

What about genesis holo promo NFTs on this?

[thorn wren]

Good question, also not decided on, but we can definitely look into it. (i actually like this idea and will add it to possible features for the hologram statues as well as showing the owned illuvials there)

[little moon]

Thank you very much, yeah I think genesis promo are made to be shown by definition

[lapis ledge]

Thanks! We'll be waiting as always and chanting wen.

[cyan bone]

Courtesy of the wizards, Dmitriy and Grant 🧙‍♂️ 🎨 Now we’re talking!

[simple juniper]

Absolutely beautiful I just love how our minigame is going to look better than 95% of games out there right now

[cyan bone]

Absolutely - we’re crunching to finalise the few remaining core features. It’s going to be wild for Land Owners

[hearty cradle]

my iphone 6

[simple juniper]

And im so glad im gonna be one of them. keep doing what you are doing

[hearty cradle]

guys would you buy 2x2 of higher tiers or 3x3 of lower tiers?

[simple juniper]

Higher tier 2x2 most definitely

[potent dock]

Budget notwithstanding, assuming a 3x3 and a 2x2 were equal prices, I'd go 2x2 to minimize playtime. I'd try and get it somewhere where a 3x3 was possible though, preferably with mostly T1's adjacent.

[spring jetty]

the real question is how much would it cost for high tier 2x2 vs low tier 3x3

[hearty cradle]

interesting
wht do you think of
3 x T1 = 9 elements nodes
vs
1 x T2 = 6 elements nodes (7.9 including the boost)

Both options are priced at 6eth

[simple juniper]

2x2 would be extremly extremly expensive because not only are you buy 4 but you have to make sure you get all 4

[spring jetty]

because I imagine it will be more expensive when people try to buy 6 and 9 lands all connected to each other, they need to purchase them at relatively higher price so they can make sure to get them

[spring jetty]

yeah, I think the better approach will be 1 high tier surrounded by lower tiers'

[simple juniper]

i agree with this yes

[spring jetty]

I think my limit my be 1x1 , i only have 81 silv2 and i need at least a t3

[hearty cradle]

aside from the element node arbitrage, wht do you think of the scanning chance arbitrage?
Assuming maxed out upgrades, a T1 and a T5 have the same chance of scanning an illuvial

[simple juniper]

with 81 Silv i bet you can get a T4

[spring jetty]

i doubt it, but I will certainly hope for it

[simple juniper]

i dont doubt it really

[simple juniper]

but hey i guess only time will tell right we shall see we shall see

[spring jetty]

yes! lower tiers are just as important and more cost efficient

[simple juniper]

i have 90 and im looking for a T4 so I believe you can do it too. Got some more in ETH just incase I need to bump that number up a bit. Dont forget its a dutch auction and 81 Silv is a good chuck of eth. If ILV goes up a little bit more thats around 20 ETH which 25% which is the price T4's are expected to sell at

[spring jetty]

i know I tried to sell more property to get more eth, but failed

[simple juniper]

i believe in you man just watch it for 3 days straight and as soon as one drops to 81 silv hit that buy button

[spring jetty]

im planning on having my friend come over and do a 3 day marathon with at least one of us staying awake all time lol

gotta catch that low price to purchase

[hearty cradle]

loan shark accepts properties

[simple juniper]

no way thats exactly what im doing with my friend and my brother @gritty briar i am determined to get one

[spring jetty]

i have some family issues and i'm already under a fuuuuuuuuuk ton of debt thanks to my brother

[hearty cradle]

sssss is your brother???

[pine prawn]

i have 12 silv2 now... i need more

[hearty cradle]

A T4 is probably harder to liquidate ya know
and we dnt know when is OB

[pine prawn]

want to buy some decent land looking like it will be pretty prcy

[simple juniper]

Me and @gritty briar are brothers. Just like the Warwick Brother, however not as cool or smart or handsome or funny. But hey other than that we are exactly like @noble quest and his brothers

[eternal wigeon]

1 t2 right?

[spring jetty]

yeah, that's why i can only pray at this point

[pine prawn]

yea hopefully

[hearty cradle]

a megacity or a T4 that is the question !

[spring jetty]

you are good, i sincerely hope my brother go to prison so he can stop fuck me up

[pine prawn]

i just dont see the silv2 price getting lower once we are at the sale from here but correct me if im wrong with the stakers

[hearty cradle]

there is always that one in the family

[spring jetty]

seriously, sometimes i wish im the only child or i was never born

[hearty cradle]

most of us are

you are not alone

[spring jetty]

thanks mate, I'm hoping to make money from ILV and move the hell away from my family

I miss living in the States

[hearty cradle]

they are the worst

[pine prawn]

everyone could likely be regrettting not knowing about illuviuim right now in a couple years and getting in on this land sale so . thats just how it go's with this market

[hearty cradle]

maybe this is why im here and not there

people and their expectation

[spring jetty]

today is my b-day, no one even remember it lol I at least get some kind wishes from my US friends on facebook

anyways, this is getting too personal and negative. im gonna stop

[hearty cradle]

happy birthday friend

[spring jetty]

thanks man! i should probably delete some of this stuff 😂

[hearty cradle]

We are going to be neighbours soon

we should gather some sILV2 crumbs and buy solarstorm a T1

the guy hated IZ so much

[spring jetty]

😂 he should give it try at least. t1 is totally affordable

[hearty cradle]

i was thinking of buying a couple of T1 megacities, and i just realized that not only they need a lot a work, it wont be possible

i imagine hundreds of T1
all scanning that holo skin

[spring jetty]

yeah, i will try to get connected lands but if not possible i will just get them from different regions

[hearty cradle]

which region are you getting?

[amber narwhal]

is it better to swap your eth to silv2 now? saw a video where he said it will be 2,5X more worth than just keeping the ethereum

[hearty cradle]

i think we just saw the dip
another dip on 1st of may is possible tho

[spring jetty]

water or air, Love that penguin and quite a few other water illuvials

[lapis ledge]

I just can't wait for the main game and land 🍟🍟

[hearty cradle]

stabin is ice?

[spring jetty]

and I like air for obvious reason, my name is wind lol

[hearty cradle]

Lol which region is air?

[spring jetty]

water for the stage one and water/air for 2 and 3 i think

[amber narwhal]

is everyone buying land with silv2? or is someone going for ethereum and why? at the moment i got 2 ILV which i cant use for landsale and some ethereum which i consider swapping for silvw

[spring jetty]

i have heard some people in the Chinese community are gonna use eth because they have doubts

[hearty cradle]

Go for it

[hearty cradle]

about what

[spring jetty]

i have no idea, i dont know them that well

[hearty cradle]

lets not

[spring jetty]

I just saw people talking about it

[amber narwhal]

i mean i think ethereum is more stable in price movement but silv got the change to move higher in price before landsale, but i quess ethereum is more safer because sivl2 also can go lower

[spring jetty]

that's why a lot of people are still waiting to decide if they wanna buy silv2 or not

[hearty cradle]

All time low was $140

[humble lichen]

I don't see in IIP-20 that tier 5 will need to be bought with ETH (and no sILV2 bids are allowed) but I saw somebody saying it here, can mods validate the claim plzzz

[spring jetty]

validated by Kieran

[hearty cradle]

i dnt feel like playing the main game anymore, i just feel like laying on my bed, extracting some fuels, hanging out in discord

[humble lichen]

Boring af

[hearty cradle]

it was not in the iip 20, so technically it is still eth and silv2

[spring jetty]

you need to work your ass off so you can buy more ilv

[spring jetty]

but Kieran confirmed it in iip discussion at some point. pretty sure I saw it

[hearty cradle]

When you reach a certain age, you cant sit for longn

[humble lichen]

Yea ok so it's Kieran's preference, still DAO needs to approve the IIP

[spring jetty]

well i'd like to sit around and do nothing too but i need to make as much money as possible and fast

[spring jetty]

he actually said if they wanna make it happen it will delay land sale even further

cos t5 auction is on different platform and not compatible with silv2 currently

i doubt that's what the community wants since t5 not something we can afford anyways

[livid gorge]

Yea t5 will be sold in Eth only. Makes sense because the biggest players all buy in eth. It’s much easier.

[floral locust]

What benefits do you guys think there will be for mega cities that don't have a landmark, like a 2x2 with t1 and t2's

The only thing I can think of is better spacing to increase illuvial scan chance

[spring jetty]

we dont have any set in stone info, devs are still planning

but I did see that mega city will probably have the benefit to transfer resources within the mega city for free

[hearty cradle]

there are whales who have thousands of silv2

[hearty cradle]

still cant decide whether i want 2x2 higher tier or 3x3 lower tier

Lower tiers, imo, have more element nodes and they have the same chance of scanning as a higher tier

[spring jetty]

you are loaded with sivl2 arent you

go for the 2x2 for less clicks per day

[amber narwhal]

what do you guys think tier 1 land will go for?

[floral locust]

Yea that's a tough choice

[hearty cradle]

Wht do you think?

[floral locust]

Going to be a while before we really know what we can do with them. But yea landmark benefit sharing, better spacing to increase scan chance, and sharing resources with no fee seems like safe guesses

[spring jetty]

oh yea, if 2x2 with 2 t4 and 2t3 will be pretty damn nice with the landmark sharing

[floral locust]

Without thinking about it too deeply I would go for 2x2 with higher tier, but I'm sure there is an argument to get 3x3 with lower. Again we don't know if there is additional benefit in future for larger cities?

[spring jetty]

i say high tier mega city all the way, at least as many high tiers as possible

[spring jetty]

tbh we don't even know if mega city will be a thing since it's technically not confirmed

[floral locust]

That's a lot of capital haha, but yea that would be awesome

[floral locust]

True

[spring jetty]

it's just a vision that could happen in the future

[hearty cradle]

wow i feel so much productive today

good talk guys

[humble lichen]

What are the synergies you will get if you combine land in a 2x2 or 3x3?

[simple juniper]

Most likely if you have a land mark in one of them (T3 or T4) then that boost will be given to all plots in the mega, but this is just speculation at this point

[storm beacon]

Hey. I only got 3 sILV. You guys think that would do for a T1 perhaps?

[simple juniper]

I don’t think so it’s highly unluckily but anything is possible with a Dutch auction

[hearty cradle]

Unlikely

[storm beacon]

Damn. Just claimed a bunch of ILV so I won’t get many more until the land sale :/

[gritty briar]

is gabe doing it too?

[simple juniper]

Yes I believe he is

[gritty briar]

sheees, you gonna buy him a tier 1?

[simple juniper]

Maybe a tier 2🤔 possibly a T1 we shall see

[gritty briar]

no way, for real

[opaque osprey]

when will be the landsale?

[simple juniper]

We are looking somewhere close to the mid-end of may

[undone phoenix]

Maybe

[simple juniper]

Hopefully* 😅

[noble drum]

Has it been discussed if the prices for land sale #1 will be set prices for the other land sales? Or will the price of the land in each land sale be up for debate before each land sale?

[simple juniper]

Depends on a lot of factors. Depends on how this sale goes. Depends on how the community reacts to this sale. Depends on how many more people join this game before the next land sale. Depends on when the next land sale is. Depends on what the price of ETH and ILV are for the next sale

[noble drum]

Hmmmm. I guess now that I think about it there is no actual “land price set for this land sale.” The land price will be whatever people pay at auction. Which could be higher or lower at the next auction depending on overall pubic and market sentiment. I guess the better question would be if they would change the starting price of the auction. Which they probably wouldn’t unless everything sells out at max price. (Unlikely)

[stone maple]

Do we need to do anything to be in the first sale or will it be open to everyone?

[humble lichen]

Why do people all say around "end of May". Is that actually based on something or nah

[hearty cradle]

2nd land sale will be higher

[reef echo]

Thats when the audit is supposed to be done. If they don't find anything wrong they can move forward with the land sale, but still no marketing yet so not sure if that timeline will hold

[floral locust]

audit completed mid may, so the guess is that it would happen a couple weeks after

[hearty cradle]

June

[reef echo]

till we get to june... lol

[hearty cradle]

november

[royal coral]

Do you think guys with 22 sILV2 can I get 2 t2?

[floral locust]

yea

[reef echo]

I think just one, you never know though, but you need to be thinking in terms of how many Eth you have in silv2

[floral locust]

wait 2 t2? prob not

[royal coral]

Some rumours about the land sales?

[floral locust]

depends on how low they drop

[royal coral]

Yep 2

[hearty cradle]

its not a rumour

[stone maple]

This is their spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18u7qTwcm7EJNt0sW3YrZ19-W0U8-ta5uTMBpz9LzEAI/edit#gid=1624078536

[royal coral]

When is it? 🤯

[hearty cradle]

End of may or june

[reef jasper]

no one reads anymore 🤦‍♂️

[royal coral]

So how many sILV2 you think I need to get 2 T2?

[hearty cradle]

as much as you can

[stone maple]

I just joined this discord cuz I forgot about this game until today. I just scrolled up in this channel and read a bunch

[hearty cradle]

ewww google doc link

dnt click it guys

Sus as hell

[stone maple]

bruh its literally from this discord

[reef jasper]

is the exact same as the link in pinned lol

but still you shouldnt post links

[stone maple]

my bad

[hearty cradle]

[reef echo]

Well it can't be more then 72 silv2 but if they sell at 60% somewhere closer to 43silv, again think of it in eth and do some math. If it sells at 40% it will be more like 28 silv2 or 4.8ETH for both T2s

[queen folio]

Will depend on the demand from all of the buyers since the price decreases rapidly. Take a look at the spreadsheet in the pinned messages though, just to get a general idea of how the prices will look over time 🙂

[hearty cradle]

instead of 2 x T2
wht do you think of 6 x T1?
you get more element nodes

[reef jasper]

at that point just go for megacity

[royal coral]

Right! But I really don’t understand how much I need to get 1 t1 or 1 t2

[hearty cradle]

1 eth = 6 sILV2

[simple juniper]

Ya that’s what I was referring to

[simple juniper]

Yes Kieran said that in a recent interview I believe he said hopefully around mid may

[hearty cradle]

it's time to watch moon knight

[humble lichen]

Shill me what is it

[hearty cradle]

Marvel series

[humble lichen]

Can you link source?

[humble lichen]

Makes sense to do around end of May so you pump ILV price a bit before unlocks and start of game

[mystic gull]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[humble lichen]

ILV sell pressure is nonexistent before unlocks and Tier5 will prob get atleast 100-200eth in for revdis

[ivory fjord]

where did you get this number?

[empty path]

Math

[agile sigil]

how many sILV2 for a tier 3 you guys think<+

[floral locust]

Take a look at the spreadsheet in the pinned comments, you have to look at where the auction starts in SILV2 value and decide from there how far you think it will drop and what you are willing to pay

[hearty cradle]

andrew got a lot to explain

[untold relic]

40% so 8 eth, around 48 silv

[ivory fjord]

sent you a dm bro, new in ILV. just trying to learn and get updated

[hearty cradle]

that low huh

[steep ivy]

Finally have enough to guarentee a T1 land… anybody want to be land neighbors?

[empty path]

Are you loud? Do you have kids? Married / single? Pets?

[hearty cradle]

the value of sILV2 = price of ILV

[steep ivy]

Divorced mother of 3, some baby daddy issues, and a poorly trained dog

[hearty cradle]

i got lice, do you mind?

[queen folio]

Jeez, which region is this...

[hearty cradle]

craigs list

[empty path]

The poorly trained dog is not going to work for me

[queen folio]

I'd rather have no lice on my land! Other things, I'm cool with.

[hearty cradle]

lice is a good companion

[empty path]

We realised the dating simulator might me linked to the land so better pick a nice neighbour

[steep ivy]

I hear they just autospawn free of charge if you just dont wash for a couple days

[hearty cradle]

search for single serial killer around you

[simple juniper]

I’m gonna say T4 are going to go for 25% of the Original cost which is 20 ETH. What do you guys think

[steep ivy]

Stupid question tho, when we are able to visit our plot of land in the over-world, would the buildings also be visible?

[hearty cradle]

they are at a different zone

[hearty cradle]

im not sure, whales got thousands of sILV2

[simple juniper]

It’s a different place/game

[steep ivy]

I think 25% would be too low. If it hits 22.5% then all T4 and below landplots theoretically can be sweeped up by strictly sILV2. I think in the 40%-50%

[simple juniper]

We shall see

[steep ivy]

I hope it gets that low! If so i may be able to snag another T1

[simple juniper]

What im saying is T1 will go for around 50-70% but T4 Is going for lower than that most likely becuase it’s so expensive

All of the Silv can only buy up 22.5% of land which is not much

[stone maple]

it probably depends on the time of day too. The website says they will be released in blocks every hour over the course of 3 days so if you are on at like 5PM EST shit will probably sell higher

[steep ivy]

No i meant if the land prices drop to 22.5% of the original price then ALL land can be purchased without any ETH… its all going to depend on strategy it feels like most people are banking sILV2 to go for the higher tier lands, wouldst be surprised if T1 sells out last

[stone maple]

I think T5 can only be purchased with Eth

[simple juniper]

Possibly. All speculation at this point. We shall see what happens

[steep ivy]

T2 & T3 i feel are going to be purchased the fastest, and then as people realize they may not have enough buying power they settle with T1

[simple juniper]

No, T5 can be purchased with either eth or Silv

[stone maple]

Tier 1-4 Land is available for purchase with ETH or sILV2. Tier 5 Land is only purchasable with ETH.

[empty path]

Only ETH afaik

[simple juniper]

Precisely I don’t think more than 869 people can afford a T4 land worth more than 100 Silv

[steep ivy]

No it cannot, T5 is only going to be purchased in ETH and its going through a separate website. One of the warwicks mentioned it in an interview recently

[simple juniper]

When did this happen?

[steep ivy]

I think its always been up in the air but confirmed recently

[empty path]

I think it has always been like this but people only started to realise it with the last IIP

[pure cloak]

Nah I don't think so. T1 are going to be sold very quickly because a lot more people can afford it.

[simple juniper]

Ohh ok I see

[stone maple]

I had a general question, so they have it listed that they are releasing in blocks every hour. Will those blocks be randomized so you just have to be lucky at buying higher tiers?

[empty path]

No, you see what you buy

[steep ivy]

With 200K+ sILV2 i feel like people are grinding for those higher land tiers, buying a T1 off the bat couple potentially mean taking capital away from a higher tier purchase.. all speculation, thats just my opinion

[muted moth]

I think it was mentioned each batch would have a relatively even spread of all tiers released in them. So a bunch of T1's, slightly less T2 and so on

[simple juniper]

@steep ivy I don’t believe there are that many people in this community that are super Silv rich and want land. I could be wrong though we will see in the sale. But hey the higher they go for the more rev dis we get from ETh

[stone maple]

I worded my question poorly but thankyou for answering Kyriffin

[steep ivy]

Just check out the amount of sILV2 on the market, impossible to tell who has how many but that is alot of buying power especially when sILV2=ILV during landsale

[stone maple]

oh there are only 2 T5 lands available anyway

[steep ivy]

Plus you have people like me who are going to convert ETh to sILV2 closer to landsale

sILV2 is the major dark horse in this entire scenario, i just hope everybody gets a kick-ass piece of land for a price theyre happy with

[simple juniper]

Hopefully that would be amazing

[pure cloak]

Just because there is 200k sILV2 doesn't mean people are going for higher tiers. There are many people who can potentially just buy 1 T1 with sILV2. And people with more sILV2 like myself will probably go for 1 higher tier and for multiple T1s because T1s are probably going to give the best value for the money.

[muted moth]

Yea this is my plan as well; get a T2 or 3 for myself, and then a bunch of T1 to sell/rent later since I'm not going to have time to manage multiple lands

[steep ivy]

At the end if the day all speculation, theres 3 people w three different strategies in this convo alone.. def goin to be exciting

[gritty briar]

and people might be holding this sILV2 for using in the game, if they dont have the funds to play the pay to play side, sILV2 is a great way to do that

[steep ivy]

How do you plan on renting land? I heard that idea floated around before

Hearing all the different approaches makes me even more excited for this sale, shit is going to be awesome

[muted moth]

Polemos has plans to do this in the future; I let others play on my land, and I get a share of the profits. The whole system isn't entirely worked out yet, but is definitely planned to be released

[simple juniper]

Hearing all of these different strategies is just absolutely amazing IMO

[gritty briar]

my strategy is to buy the tier 5 land

[muted moth]

Let's all strategize to wait for the land to drop to 10% of starting price😅

[steep ivy]

I dont know if it was someone from polemos but i saw people talking about combining funds to buy a T4 and split the rev.

[gritty briar]

thats kinda hax

[empty path]

I can add $10

[steep ivy]

Interested in the numbers from the people who share a higher piece of land vs owning a T1 or 2 on your own. The rental system sounds exciting too

[muted moth]

Yea very interesting for sure. I'm curious how the whole fractional ownership would work; who would actually own and play on it, how do decisions get made etc.

[stone maple]

I wouldnt be surprised if thats how some of the guilds here operated

[paper flame]

Got $5

[steep ivy]

Me either, especially from the guilds that have been around for a long time. It would be kind if sick if a guild purchased a T5 land and had their stadium named after it. Nightmare rev dis wise but cool

[stone maple]

It would add a lot of drama because youd have to trust someone else with your money on mostly a gentlemans agreement

[empty path]

Why join a guild if you don't trust them?

[muted moth]

I know Polemos plans to have it all done trustless with smart contracts, so no trust needed, but not sure where they are with that currently

[steep ivy]

With the amount of capital required to purchase a T5 land im sure contracts would be signed

[stone maple]

Thats pretty cool

[steep ivy]

“Polemos arena” “infoluvial area” sounds bad ass

[muted moth]

I'm crossing my fingers Polemos buys a T5. That'd be awesome

[empty path]

Come on be optimistic, Polemos can get 2

[muted moth]

Psssh they can get all 7

[steep ivy]

It could set the stage for the E-sports. Each major guild has a T5 land. So when events are hosted each may have a “home” tournament.

[muted moth]

Yea for sure. I just hope whoever ends up buying them actually uses them to their full potential and doesn't just leave it as an asset in a wallet

[atomic zealot]

Aside from a T5 owning land isn't really profitable, even if you fully own one.

[steep ivy]

I dont agree with that sentiment. If you want to make your money back in 1 month then no but if its a1+ year investment i see people easily making their money back

[muted moth]

We don't really know the profitability of fuel sales and blueprint sales yet, so I don't think we can conclude that

[steep ivy]

Especially land owners early because their 5% of rev dis will only be split between the plots of land that are already out. So there is some incentive to get in early

[atomic zealot]

It'll take a few years to recoup your cost in dollars, assuming eth stays relatively the same price. If eth goes up then you really just lost money

[atomic zealot]

We do tho, they said land owners will get 5% so even if it gets to 1 billion transactions/ year (current axie transactions) you aren't being much

[muted moth]

We don't know the prices of fuel, how much we can make and sell, how much rare blueprints can go for; there's a lot of factors we don't know yet, so no way to say conclusively in either direction

[steep ivy]

You seem to not factor in the potential of land appreciation as well. If illuvium does a billion transactions it would be reasonable to assume the land has increased in price too. I think theyre are a lot of factors youre leaving out

[atomic zealot]

Those details don't matter. The team said the goal is for land onwer to make 5% of total transactions. All you have to do is guess how much per year and you can get close to how much each tier will net.

[steep ivy]

If i buy land for 2 eth, make money from rev dis all while my land has APPRECIATED in value, how did i lose money?

[little moon]

@empty path you are so hard ironic xD 👍

[muted moth]

But we can't guess how much per year that number is lol. Illuvium is a much much bigger game than Axie, you really can't compare them

[empty path]

What did I do?

[atomic zealot]

Yes that's possible but that won't matteralize for a while if any, don't forget first land sale is only 20% of all land...plenty of supply

[paper flame]

Seems to me like if Illuvium.io land ownership is the most profitable land project ever that would be best for Illuvium ecosystem and game hype. That 5% should go way up imo

[little moon]

xD

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/positive-mental-attitude-panda-rocking-wednesday-gif-12187081

[steep ivy]

If you dont belive that land will ever appreciate in value, you must also believe illuvium will not succeed, so my question now is, why are you invested?

[atomic zealot]

Shoot for the moon, say even 3 billion, it'll still take a few years to make your money back and that's assuming eth stays the same price around

[little moon]

i love to read you xD

[steep ivy]

I try to see all view points but im just going to call FUD

[stone maple]

Look at the economy worldwide(not china). Real estate ONLY goes up.

[atomic zealot]

I think the game will do well but the current land structure cost and rev dis doesn't make much sense

[muted moth]

I think you are also underestimating the potential value in blueprints. if you are the sole owner of 1 blueprint, that could bring you lots of profit

[steep ivy]

If the game does good then so would land…. Because land supplies crucial materials for the game… so youre losing me

[atomic zealot]

No see that's the problem the DAO is the main supplier they supply 95% of the fuel, land is only 5%

If they fixed the ratio id be wwwaaaaaayyyy more excited

For the land game, I think the game will be fun

[little moon]

dyor what opinons you have with land! and what is the future of land

no more leaks xD

[atomic zealot]

?

[little moon]

i invest like 10h research to understand what you can do xD

Fuel (maybe its rentabel trade fuel)1 revdis from it...Blueprints...

[atomic zealot]

Blue prints might offer an additional avenue for revenue but why would I rent it when it's already not profitable? Why would I pay rent for a land on something that doesn't really produce profits.

[little moon]

okkay you know what is 5% of all? it`s a spekulativ Invest...in a ecosystem who can have a great future... because only income go distibuted... not like other projekt with a quick roi without future

[paper flame]

It would be better for everyone if they raised that 5% The landsale would get more attention too.

[little moon]

Im not the biggest land bull but there is certainly money to be made here. The supply of land is low so even 5% is significant.

10,000,000 tokens x 95% = .00001% of revenue per token
20,000 lands x 5% = .00025% of revenue avg land
100,000 lands x 5% = .00005% of revenue avg land

Looks like at full dilution average land will have approx 5x the fuel revenue of a single ILV token.
That means if you can buy the 'average' land for $2500 you are really obviously in the money. I think the T2 ends up being around the average. Its not the greatest value proposition in all of crypto but its really not that bad of a deal.

To say it doesnt produce profits just makes no sense. If you buy a land and it at minimum retains its value, 100% of any fuel or blueprint earnings are 'profit.'

Land Tier # of Element Sites # of Fuel Sites Number and type of Landmark Production Boost
Tier 1 3 1 None. No landmark. 0%
Tier 2 6 3 None. No landmark. 33.33%
Tier 3 9 6 1 Element landmark. 100%
Tier 4 12 9 1 Fuel landmark. 300%
Tier 5 15 12 1 Arena. 900%

higher the tier so better the boost ... its worth buy higher tiers

[iron laurel]

If I understand correctly the higher tiers will get blueprints to use for higher tier Illuvials, no? Those may make a 2x2 higher tier worth more.

[floral locust]

no, once fully built out a t1 and t4 have the same chance to scan

t4 would just get there a lot faster and produce more fuel to sell

[regal trout]

not a correct analysis.

[little moon]

Please correct me then. I would love to see what numbers youre coming up with.

[iron laurel]

Really? I thought that was part of the point, Tier 3 Illuvials showed up on Tier 3 lands. Huh. I need to do a lot better research apparently. Now that taxes are done I can regain my focus. I am trying to figure out why I would possibly spend so much more for a tier 3 or 4. I am not sure fuel is going to be enough to make the difference?

[little moon]

The high tiers have a production boost (+300% for T4) thats means they will crank out huge amounts of fuel.

So a T4 acutally makes 27x as much fuel as a T1.

[floral locust]

false

[floral locust]

99.99% sure, the info is spread around but perhaps @amber atlas can point you to this material

with higher tier land you are banking on getting to the point that you can start scanning sooner than lower tiers, and the extra fuel being worth it

[little moon]

its pinned

[muted moth]

The only difference in Illuvials to scan on your land will be what region you are in. You can still scan all available Illuvials, but you'll have a higher chance of say finding water illuvials in Halcyon Sea than Crimson Wastes

[steep ivy]

The land permabear really set the discord ablaze

[little moon]

true sorry xD

[floral locust]

no worries 🙂

[iron laurel]

I thought it was tier and region, but yeah, the pinned post says region. So now to figure out which Illuvial comes from which region.

[little moon]

Johnny`s PDF never Lie xD

[muted moth]

I think it is safe to assume fire comes from Crimson Wastes and Water comes from Halcyon Sea, but can't be quite as positive on other regions. Maybe @amber atlas will tell us which affinities are more likely to be scanned in which regions👀

[paper flame]

Ask Solar. That guy knows everything.

[muted moth]

No way to know what hasn't been shared publicly yet lol

[regal trout]

The case/cenario that i can find/calculate its 0,00001263%/ILV (considering a mean of 40% in the auction and only the 1/5 of lands being on marketing). Its like 133% more efficient that just stake the ILV. The 5x that you are talking about its like the mean price of sales takes on 10% of the initial prices on the auction.. common, this not gonna happen.

[muted moth]

I did find this in the original GDD, not sure if the affinities are still accurate:

Abyssal Basin - Rich in Hydrogen. Water Affinity is commonly seen.
Brightland Steppes - Rich in Carbon. Nature Affinity is commonly seen.
Shardbluff Labyrinth - Rich in Carbon. Earth Affinity is commonly seen.
Crimson Waste - Rich in Silicon. Fire Affinity is commonly seen.
Halcyon Sea - Rich in Hydrogen. Water Affinity is commonly seen.
Taiga Boreal - Rich in Carbon. Air Affinity is commonly seen.
Crystal Shores - Rich in Silicon. Unknown

[iron laurel]

Thank you for this. I probably saw this at one point and it is what my brain was remembering.

[muted moth]

Yea I had to dig pretty far to find it lol. Do note that none of the regions are more rich in one resource or another now, every region has an equal chance of spawning each element. So you aren't more likely to get carbon on land in Brightland Steppes for example

[iron laurel]

Yes, I remember that change. This does lead me to question whether water Illuvials will be more easily found than say fire or if because there are 2 areas of water there will be less land in each area. It's always seemed odd to me that there aren't 5 regions if there are 5 affinities. Ah well, these things will probably get announced more clearly before land sale. 🙂 Thanks for digging that up.

[muted moth]

Yea lots to think about. Hopefully Johnny responds to the ping

[stone maple]

is there a full map of all 100k plots or the 20k available in the first sale?

[muted moth]

Not yet, no, but you can see a leak of what the map will look like in the pins in this channel

[paper flame]

I like Scoots numbers better.

[atomic zealot]

If the game has 1 billion I'm transactions/ year that means about 50,000,000 is getting distributed to 100,000 land owners.

And higher tiers get a bigger portion of that

[regal trout]

np. math don't cares about what you like or not. You can contest me, and a urge for. As a engineer, i know that i can make mistakes on it. I always make it.

[little moon]

Its different ways of calculating. He is starting with what he expects the prices to be. Im starting from where I want revenue to be and using that to calculate my 'buy' price where i will be happy with the profits.

[little moon]

So the average land will make $500 profit from fuel per year using those numbers. Factor in blueprints and call it maybe $750.
So the ILV holders would get the other $950,000,000 split between (lets say 10m) tokens for a total of $95 per token per year. Like I said. Its not the greatest investment ever but there is definitely money to be made.

[atomic zealot]

So far you are loosing money. Let's look at a tier 1. If you spend 30% of starting price you'll be spending about $1800 if eth doesn't go up by auction time. For a tier 1 you'd be making way less on fuel probably closer to $200+$300/ year plus blue prints. It would take you several years to make back what you spent and that's in terms of dollars if eth moons it'll take way longer.

Also this is assuming you are selling all your fuel, you still need to play the game and I doubt a tier 1 would be enough to allow a player to play daily without buying additional fuel from the DAO

[stone maple]

Are you able to sell the land on the marketplace after the original purchase?

[muted moth]

There hasn't been anything said about that yet, but I'd imagine pretty soon afterwards the marketplace would open up. And if not, you can always put it up on opensea and sell it there if you really wanted to

[little moon]

I agree that the rate of return isn’t great but you aren’t losing money. If you spend $1800 on a land then you have a $1800 land AND whatever return you generate. If land gets additional utility in the future then the value of the land as well as the revenue from fuel can go up.

By that logic staking ILV is a bad investment because you buy the token for $500 but only get 20% rewards. It would take 5 years to ‘get your money back’

[stone maple]

if you are looking for immediate returns this probably isnt a good idea

[iron laurel]

I'm expecting the land to appreciate in value over time. You only lose money buying land if it depreciates.

[atomic zealot]

Umm sure if that's how you are calculating it. I guess you have a piece of land that YOU paid 1800. I know everyone wants this to work but it's best to be impartial.

[atomic zealot]

It's possible, sure. But it may be more profitable to just hold the eth lol

It feels like we are trying so hard to rationalize it

[little moon]

Yeah I mean if you buy at twice the market value youre gonna get rekt. Just dont buy it for more than its worth. I thought that was a given.

[stone maple]

buy right as the auction starts

[atomic zealot]

That's the whole point of the excersise, to put a value on land and if the passive returns are bad why would anybody buy it aside from fomoing in?

Why would it appreciate in value. Especially since after the first land sale they still have 80% of the land to sell....too much supply

A large supply, low returns and expensive entry.

[little moon]

Exactly. Estimate the return then determine how high of an ROI you want. Then figure out how much you can spend to get the land at a rate of ROI you are comfortable with.

Nobody HAS to buy the land. If its not worth it to you until it drops to 10% of starting prices then just dont buy it until that price.

[atomic zealot]

Yes and returns aren't there, if they kept original starting pricing or increase the rev dis then there's a chance but this seems like a cash grab to me

[little moon]

Just dont buy it then. If everyone agrees with you then the prices will drop to where you want them to go. If people think its worth it they can buy at higher prices.

[atomic zealot]

Yup math is math

[spark ruin]

@atomic zealot how do you know you can only do 200/300 per year with a tier 1

[waxen vector]

In Zero, do we trade ressources with other lands or with the fuel&element/ETH pool?

[little moon]

You can trade Fuel with the dao

Aswell you can convert all Ressources

[atomic zealot]

If the game generates about $1 billion in transactions then the total land revenue distribution would be about $50,000,000. So divide that by 100,000 plots of land it's about 500 but tier 1 is only 1 fuel site and no boost so it's much less. I did the math, I'm thinking about making a video on it.

[spark ruin]

and the blueprints? do you have any ideia of their price?

[little moon]

You can Trade with the dao!!!!👀

[atomic zealot]

Its impossible to say to be honest but I added some in my calculations for that, the 200-300 is only fuel. But no matter how I sliced it the lands generates very low returns for fuel even when I added skins it was low. Also this is when the game actually gets big enough for 1 billion transactions (current axie transactions/year)

[little moon]

Axie<ILV

[spark ruin]

i get your point, but i think this game will be much bigger then axie and also you say that the price of a t1 will be 1800 but i wont be buying it a that price for sure

[atomic zealot]

In terms I agree but it'll probably take a year to get to those transactions or so, point is even those 200-300 dollars won't come for a while so returns would be even lower

[atomic zealot]

I agree I like ILV main game but I'm saying even 200-300 isn't the first year, the game will need time to ramp up so year 1 would probably make much less than that. Btw the 1800 is at 30% of starting cost. I've never done a YouTube video but I can try to show and explain my math if there's interest there.

[stone maple]

$603.93 is 30% of starting cost

[spark ruin]

you think the land will be sold at that price? it think it will come down, less then 1000

[stone maple]

nevermind I cant read

[atomic zealot]

It's hard to say but I hope not, I hope people don't just fomo in and fight for land...that would be bad for everyone

It kills the play to earn space and the recent price hike doesn't help.

[stone maple]

I think T1 and T2 will sell on the lower end. once the sale starts everything will probably sell out, but then after a bit it will slow down

[atomic zealot]

Who knows I hope people don't get too excited and just throw money that doesn't make sense. It's bad for the game and the space imo. People should do their due diligence before fomoing in.

[stone maple]

People always get too excited

[little moon]

Im calculating $112 per month for a T1 if we have $10,000,000 in fuel revenue per month.

[simple juniper]

However the higher things sell for in etherium the more rev dis we get

[atomic zealot]

Where'd you get 10,000,000/month from?

[little moon]

Just a number.

thats with only 20,000 lands in circulation. So its a short term outlook

[atomic zealot]

And that's at like 3billion/year

[little moon]

Thats $120,000,000 a year

oh wait i done fucked it up

[atomic zealot]

Yes but 5% of 3billion/ year Which is not a realistic short term number at all. Maybe later down the line but more land would be out already.

[little moon]

Yeah your right. $5 per month 🤣

[atomic zealot]

Lol

[little moon]

Yeah looks like my buy price is at about 10% of starting price. I think im gonna end up in the no land club 😢

[simple juniper]

Well yup never know maybe a piece of land goes unnoticed

[simple juniper]

It could be an odd time of the day and they miss buying it til the bottom and you snag it

[atomic zealot]

Don't be upset, I feel bad for people that will fomo in without really doing the math.

[little moon]

Yeah some people can get told not to fomo 100 times and will still do it.
Hopefully some of the content creators put out some realistic videos about the potential returns instead of the usual hype show.

[atomic zealot]

No they won't, they have an incentive to push the game. Like I said, maybe I should make a video explaining the math and realistic expectations.

[simple juniper]

It’s hard for us to put out potential returns when we don’t really know much information about the money side of land. But my most recent land video was not unrealistic I don’t think

[floral locust]

I would like to see a video of your maths

[atomic zealot]

I think I'll make one, it'll take some time since I've never done one before and life has been busy but I might make one. Would it make sense to just create a channel so y'all can set notifications when I make it?

[floral locust]

yea that works

[atomic zealot]

I'll post it later when I make a channel

[dire drift]

witch wallet i need 4 the landsale ?

[harsh dew]

Illuvium is build on Ethereum network.

[simple juniper]

Hey man if you need any help with anything with YouTube or the video dm me I am happy to help

[twin olive]

beside buying the land what will we need to build the buildings?

[little moon]

You get all the resources to build in the game so as long as you have a land you dont need to pay for anything else. You can spend ETH to speed up build times and maybe to get extra resources.

[atomic zealot]

Thank you, I might take you up on that.

[simple juniper]

perfect shoot me a dm

[loud bobcat]

I would be interested in watching

[vast gate]

I believe Scoriox did a video on this but I ran my own numbers. Assume whatever revenue you want and then multiply by 0.05 and then divide by total number 47438. This will get you the revenue per whatever unit of time you choose per fuel site. It assumes the fuel sites are equal and at full production. So there is another variable of time to full production

[little moon]

That video is outdated now that the production boosts are in for higher tiers.

[vast gate]

I think his new one included it but I could be wrong

[little moon]

If theres a new one I havn't seen it. Ill have to go check it out.

[slate pendant]

these prices in silv2 are not accurate because it all depends on the ILV price on the day, ILV could be pumped to 1000AUD which would mean you would need a lot less SILV2 to buy somehting, and ETH could also go up or down, which would give SILV2 more buying power etc

[vast gate]

They are accurate as of today. But yes it is possible whales pump the price of ilv to give their sILV2 more buying power

[slate pendant]

its only natural for a market to pump for a positive event like this

im banking on ILV will get pump to over 1000 and eth may even go down during the 3 day perioud

is there any news, will land owners be able to start playing straight away? to start accumulating resources for game release?

is there any info on what price resources will be able to be sold at?

[stone maple]

Oh thats pretty cool

[lapis ledge]

I did this, but token staking is just more profitable. Not to mention that there's yield. I think one of the major points of having Land is having ultimate control on all Illuvial-related skins. Fuel alone can't compete with ILV staking.

[vast gate]

My numbers agree with you as well. Hopefully people don’t fomo in on the land and then get disappointed with the relative low earnings

[iron laurel]

I think it will appreciate in value because I think the team is smart enough to not release more land until there is a demand for it, whatever length of time that is. Maybe I am crazy, but I think Illuvium will be huge. If I am right then 5-10 years from now there will be ample demand for the land. Land in a well known, heavily played game will be a status symbol and people pay for those.

In the meantime I will be playing for free with the gas I produce and making some extra off the scans.

I am not saying I am paying top price. I have it in my head what my price is. If it goes over that, so be it.

You think I am wrong and that's cool. Let's meet back here five years from now and we will see who is right.

BTW, I hope you make the video. I am interested in watching your entire thought process and the math behind it.

[slate pendant]

what data are you using to calculate theoretical possible profits?

[stone maple]

Everyone is using arbitrary numbers that makes themselves happy lol

[vast gate]

Just my own estimates. A lot of assumptions including sale price, game revenue, fuel production ramp up time, etc.

[slate pendant]

ok, so until official data comes out no one will know LOL

[stone maple]

yeah people just making educated guesses

[slate pendant]

in all honesty, if the game goes as big as they intend it to be, land will be a huge passive earner, dont forget land will also be used in all other titles they plan to release in the future, and the longevity of the earning also

im looking at my ass hole in the mirror and its telling me im right 🤣

thats what the mirror is for

[lapis ledge]

I know this was directed to another person, but my rationale is simple. Perhaps someone can tell me that I'm wrong so that I can make better decisions 😂

• Get the revdis % for each fuel production rate (5% divided by total fuel production rate of all tier of lands)
• Get the revdis % for each ILV token staked (roughly 7.5M <- another guess; 95% divided by 7.5M)

From this alone, you'll know that each fuel production rate has a higher revdis %, but you'll also know that instead of buying one plot of Land, you can buy more ILV tokens such that the total revdis % from the ILV tokens you buy is > from the total revdis % from the production rate you'll get from buying Land (assuming that Land price only drops to 50% of its starting price). As such, skins from Land have to pull the weight.

[lapis ledge]

While holding Land gives nothing (except price appreciation, which will also happen with ILV tokens), staking gives an extra benefit of yield.

[stone maple]

so I should probably buy Eth now given its at a relative low?

[atomic zealot]

He used 3 billion in rev with only 20,000 land extreme best in all directions

[vast gate]

Yea. I thought his estimates were a bit optimistic and future looking but to each their own

[atomic zealot]

But see that's exactly it, when there's demand the team will flood the market with more land. And a 5 year time horizon for a game isn't very good very very few games stay relevant for that long plus it's probably more profitable to just hold eth.

In terms of playing for free and selling some, depending on how much you play and what tier land you get it might not be possible just by land only supplying 5%

[hearty cradle]

dude seriously $5 / month for T1???

[simple juniper]

great ROI 🤣

[iron laurel]

I believe the team can keep it relevant by continuing to add different games. I think they are here for the long haul. Maybe I'm naive 🤷‍♀️

For interest sake, say you had a lot of sILVwould you do Illuvitars over land then?

[atomic zealot]

No, it maybe better to just buy fuel and play the main game and sell the illuviuls

[muted tree]

47438 did not count the boost in, maybe it is better to use the total number with boosted? At least I am doing this way....

[hearty cradle]

Scoriox assumed unrealistically high revenue

[little moon]

Thats with only $10 million a month of revenue which is a very small amount.

[hearty cradle]

we should not trust CC lol
he doesnt invest that much tbh

[vast gate]

Yea for sure better to use the boost. I just used that number to keep it more simple (assumed all fuels sites are equal which they are not)

[hearty cradle]

I trust you guys will come up with a number, i was planning to do my own, taking account the tiers and prod boost but then i got high

[atomic zealot]

With only 20000 land plots

[potent flare]

guys do we have any date or idea of land sale>

[floral locust]

no official date, maybe end of may

[muted tree]

mate, how did you get the staked amount 7.5M? where can we find it?

[lapis ledge]

The current staked amount of tokens can be seen in the website. The 7.5M number was my personal assumption regarding the total tokens staked in the long term.

[muted tree]

Oh, I didn't notice that in website.... I get it now, thanks bro!

[south belfry]

Lol

From the biggest nft project in the space

[hollow mountain]

You should make that video and post it in community content. We are all interested 😊

[hearty cradle]

Dutch Auction is BULLSHIT

im reading the thread, make sure its not click bait

[analog inlet]

who cares?

[south belfry]

The one word summon

[little moon]

Looks like ape coin dumped right after that tweet. Maybe dutch auctions are more popular than they thought 🤷‍♂️

[hearty cradle]

They were at $10 lmao

[hearty cradle]

Apparently the whole crypto market

$ape was $10 5 days ago

[little moon]

The tweet was like 2 hours ago

[south belfry]

Or… it’s a typical sell the news dump after the coin pumped 3x in under a month lmao

[south belfry]

The whole market we’re trying to target to get in on our land

[little moon]

I like the apecoin strategy.

1. Make a token and airdrop it to a bunch of rich degens who can afford to let the price pump.
2. The only thing the token can buy is land.
3. Claim success when the free tokens you gave away are returned to you in exchange for land.

[hearty cradle]

Someone doesnt like bluechip
it's called utility bruh

[south belfry]

This is literally just a hate the rich rant lmao

[hearty cradle]

so are you saying ethlizard wont airdrop the revdis?????

[little moon]

Its def not a hate the rich rant 🤣
I just think the whole bored ape ecosystem is dumb. Thats just my opinion though, obviously a lot of people like it.

[hearty cradle]

Ethlizard revdis is free token ?
i love grape koolaid

U t i l l i ty

[south belfry]

It’s no different than whales staking and claiming silv to use on the land, the silv was free

[little moon]

I hear you use that word a lot. But I never hear about what the utility is.

[hearty cradle]

thats free token! Lmao

[hearty cradle]

You must be new to nft
IZ fuel and blueprint is utility

[little moon]

I thought you meant apecoin utility. I obviously know about ILV utility.

[hearty cradle]

nft is all about
Art
Community
Utility

Giving $ape to BAYC MAYC holder is utility

the dev get % off NFT trade, they give part of it back to holders, as revdis

[little moon]

so its a ponzi scheme

[south belfry]

Everything’s a ponzi

[hearty cradle]

LOL
just like ILV is ponzi?

[south belfry]

It’s just who does it best and is sustainable

[hearty cradle]

stop calling ILV ponzi dude

[little moon]

Well Illuvium is delivering a game that will bring in outside revenue = not a ponzi
Ape is just recycling the investor's money back to them = ponzi

[hearty cradle]

Ethlizard revdis is ponzi too?

[south belfry]

Bring in outside revenue to pump the bags of the people who got in first

[little moon]

Ethliz is only like half a ponzi. For now it relies on trading fees to build the vault = ponzi
In the future it will generate revenue by selling investments = not a ponzi

[south belfry]

What do you think life is lmao recycled money given back to you

[hearty cradle]

Thats exactly what bayc is doing bruh

[little moon]

Ok then its just a ponzi for now and once they deliver and actual product it wont be.

[hearty cradle]

So the otherside is not a product huh

[south belfry]

Actual products can still be ponzis

[little moon]

Not until they have something that generates outside revenue.

[south belfry]

Amway for example

[south belfry]

Then it’s just a ponzi with other peoples money

[little moon]

The key detail is that the revenue will be coming from people paying to play a game. Not from investors who are having their investment slowly paid back to them.

[hearty cradle]

everything is a ponzi but ILV and ethlizard
LOL

typical cultist

[little moon]

If its other peoples money then its not a ponzi 🤣

[south belfry]

So when you’re getting your money back by investing it’s a ponzi but when people are giving away their money to help you get you money back it’s not a ponzi

[floral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-9864414

[south belfry]

Man I knew the koolaid was bad but this just passed a whole nother level

[little moon]

Yeah. The first thing you described is a ponzi scheme. Where you invest money and that money is paid back to you.
The second thing you described is a business where a service is provided in exchange for a fee and the profits are distributed to the investors/owners.

Im not sure how this is a controversial idea

[south belfry]

They’re the same thing

[little moon]

Theyre not the same thing...

[slate pendant]

lol dutch auction is brilliant, people wont know what to do, so the people that will know what to do will win and profit from the stupid sheep

im guessing they all got vaccinated also? and thats why its so hard?

[south belfry]

So all the money raised from the land sale is a ponzi

[slate pendant]

they are selling a product and you are buying it, how is that a ponzi?

[south belfry]

Because the revenue is being redistributed to the investors just like scoot said

[slate pendant]

yeah and that is a problem how?

[simple juniper]

Not sure how any of this could be remotely close to a ponzi

[slate pendant]

by owning land you are an investor

[hearty cradle]

not according to scoot no

you are a victim of a ponzi scheme

[cosmic aspen]

is every channel just jaganite arguing with people?

what happened to this discord

[south belfry]

id say the same thing about people just attacking you cause you say stuff they dont like

I catch everything before it gets deleted too lol

[hearty cradle]

[analog inlet]

to be fair viggymy is actually worse because the keep repeating the same rage every night regarding what perceived injustices and other stuff regarding the pricing and structure of the Dutch auction

[south belfry]

prime example just throwing people under the bus lmao

[little moon]

https://tenor.com/view/three-stooges-hello-telephone-gif-22486894

[analog inlet]

its not throwing under the bus when its actual fact...

[south belfry]

yeah but the fact you just feel the empowerment to even bring it up un solicited lmao cmon man

do better

[analog inlet]

how is answering a direct question unsolicited?

[hearty cradle]

and $ape just said viggy was right lol

$ape is doing it right
kyc !

[south belfry]

lol im not fond of the kyc but they clearly had to do it for some legal reason and i wouldn't be surprised if big gov forced illuvium to do kyc down the line

[hearty cradle]

dnt jinx it man

[south belfry]

once they see people betting on battles its gonna open up a can of worms unfortunately especially if its usa based

[analog inlet]

#814313779696238642 message

[south belfry]

doesn't matter really, theyll just block out iluvium from the us and youll need a vpn

ill still play but as for being accessible for people it might turn mainstream gamers off

[lofty bramble]

Do you think google play and apple store would pull illuvium off their stores though due to this?

[south belfry]

especially if they're scared of getting caught making money in ways they're not allowed to

[south belfry]

i dont think we'll see apple for a very long time just cause its apple and cause of the whole epic games thing, illuvium wants to keep revenue in house so it would make more sense to just sell boosts on the website etc

[analog inlet]

mobile version of the main game illuvium hasn't even been officially announced yet i would guess sometime next year before that becomes a concern

[hearty cradle]

US dnt like gambling?

[south belfry]

they want their cut lmao, thats why stake is in canada, too many us laws

[lofty bramble]

Sweet thanks for the replies team. Wasn't sure if the team was aiming to be listed on these app stores or just be a downloadable apk.

[hearty cradle]

so they like gambling as long it's taxable

[hearty cradle]

speed ups could be on appstore/ggplay or on illuvidex idk
imo it doesnt make sense if its on illuvidex

[south belfry]

ILZ is supposed to be mobile but only for android rn

[lofty bramble]

Yeap I feel ILZ wouldn't have issues on either. Just the eventual full game mobile launch which I know is quite awhile away

[empty path]

Ffs

[slate pendant]

lol do you know there are exemptions in the USA, how about stop being a slave and read you constitution and tax code

and indian tribes are tax exempt, and so are tribal corporations. i know this becasue im part of one.

im in australia and stopped paying taxes 7 years ago to these satanic lepres vipres leaches

screw the cabal, if the developers or co founders read this we can provide tax exemption in australia, under DE FACTO jurisdiction.

[hearty cradle]

you dnt pay taxes?

[slate pendant]

lol hell no

tax is voluntary, so why would anyone voluntarily pay??? it is a theft of wealth by these idiots that endlessly continue to print more money than god

[hearty cradle]

do you use public facility?

[slate pendant]

you obviously know nothing about the monetary system

[hearty cradle]

do you use the road? Gardens? Public toilet?

are you served by the police?

[slate pendant]

to the devs and founders, we can provide tax exemption in australia and USA under De Facto jurisdiction. im no longer going to talk about this subject

[hearty cradle]

have you ever called 911?

do you claim unemployment benefit? Or use any public services?

if you answer yes in any of the questions above, you are the leach

[slate pendant]

no comment to this stupidity

[hearty cradle]

And we are paying for your sht mate

[slate pendant]

go educate your self on the monetary system

[hearty cradle]

at least you pay some GST

how does the government or local municipal pay for public services?

[slate pendant]

LOL from your birth cetificate bond!!!

[hearty cradle]

how does the government pay for your priviledge?

[slate pendant]

why do you think your birth certificate has a cusip number?

[slim flint]

new screenshots of the buildings for IZ looks very nice. but why so much purple on the buildings?

[hearty cradle]

i dare you to live in a third world country

[little moon]

#799010390201466880

so so very off topic.

[hearty cradle]

yea

i hope we dnt have leaches in IZ

[outer flint]

where was this published that it only will be on Android

[mystic gull]

Mmh not sure as I saw it was going to be PC and Phone

[timber sapphire]

It will probably not be in the app store because apple is annoying, might be downloaded through 3rd party apps i guess

[tall bear]

Not really, IZ is a building game and @hearty cradle is trying to build a functioning brain inside the head of people who thinks taxes are a theft by government, so pretty relevant imo, he’s currently playing IZ alpha 😂

[shell rose]

I think the team must be able to provide a method to play ILZ on iOS - if apple doesn’t approve, through dev mode and cert approval if we must. Very far from ideal on day 1, but can work with apple to make it happen before too long for more adoption. I hope the team is already in talks for the last few months with apple or we will be waiting a very long time though.

[timber sapphire]

Probaby, but i don't have apple so haven't really looked into that

[tight kestrel]

hey, whats the utility of the elements after the land gets 100% fully build? is there any recurrent utility?

[hearty cradle]

we can ask @thorn wren he's the man!
we have an investor with a question

[tight kestrel]

ya, we have a whale's question