🎮〕illuvium-zero

[willow torrent]

I have seen an image of the plots of all the lands in a infographic. Is there a raw image for this or was that made up?

[autumn island]

I double checked #❓〕faq and it does say Android and web. I didn’t update myself with that information. I still think (hope) there is still chance to get in apple store, also PC MAC versions.

[viscid solar]

Thank you

[willow torrent]

@autumn island hey mate just a heads up your site emails often and the unsubscribe button doesnt work. I have had to block it and I dont want to block it I just dont need multiple emails a day. Thanks in advance

[autumn island]

Do you mean the landsale leak that pinned on this channel?

[willow torrent]

I found it after a while on twitter. I refer to this block layout. Is this legitimate? https://twitter.com/infoluvial/status/1488385965119111168/photo/1

[autumn island]

I apologise that happened without my intention to let visitors experience that at all. Can you kindly help me check if those emails came from Notion instead of the website? I will see if I can turn notifications off for visitors.

If you can forward to [e-mail] so I can look into what happened, will be appreciated.

[willow torrent]

Sorry yes it is from Notion

[autumn island]

Those are information leaked/ announced in discord. They are doing good job putting information together.

[willow torrent]

Amazing and great stuff I agree. So the layout of land it correct?

[autumn island]

Yes, there are more those pictures pinned here

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

The colours mean different tiers of lands

[willow torrent]

I am such a discord basic. Took me too long to see how to find the pinned things. Legend thanks

[autumn island]

That’s okay 👍🏻

[willow torrent]

Now I can finally put my settlers of catan skills to use hahaha

[viscid solar]

Scott check general for scam plz

[vivid cipher]

You really should not spam these Hi posts. Please stop. #✍〕rules

[winter vapor]

Sorry again
Illuvium Zero is the upcoming game or a MiniGame?

Ok nevermind found the MAp 🙂

[empty path]

minigame 🙂

[winter vapor]

oh thought it will be implemented, when planets are
So is it playable?

[empty path]

Not yet

[winter vapor]

ok thanks man

[chilly hill]

but we need the minigsme to gather ressources for the main game right

[willow torrent]

No you dont need it. It does supply the main game with some resources. The minigame if you purcahse land can reward in resources for the main game. I am not sure if you can use your own resources though??

[marsh sage]

Mini game isn’t needed but you can presumably be self sufficient (and have excess) on your fuel costs in game by harvesting and selling/trading what’s leftover.

Most players will not have land and so will just use a small amount of ETH/sILV to purchase fuel from those that do

[chilly hill]

Good to know, so rich people will have high advamtage in game with their tier 4 and 5s land at exorbitant price?

[marsh sage]

Maybe. They’re certainly investing a lot up-front to buy the land so hopefully for their sake it’s a worthwhile investment. Not that much different than a real-life land investment. If you buy a farm you’d pay millions of dollars to the. Be able to sell the resources to those who don’t want to be farmers. No different here.

[chilly hill]

facts

[polar crag]

does anyone know what wallet will be useable for the land sale?

[signal raptor]

metamask probly

[polar crag]

hoping that the devs can give us a better heads up for the minor details for the land sale 😂

[heavy venture]

Any idea on when the land sale will occur?

[empty path]

Maybe end of this month or maybe next month

[carmine holly]

Lets think about this: What do you think how ETH you make with the resources of the tier1 - tier4 land?

You think return on invest in more or less than one year?

[abstract crown]

I can’t see you getting the whole value of your investment back in a year. That would be insanely good.

[orchid cliff]

what wallet should i use for the land? ive never done anything with nfts

[vivid cipher]

Metamask is the standard here. Don’t trust DMs. Don’t fall for the celo scam. You may want to consider getting a hardware wallet like ledger or trezor that offer metamask integration.

[viscid solar]

Metamask is the standard…Unfortunately. Their support is shit and doesn’t cooperate with Illuvium website as @sand quarry can tell you, ESPECIALLY while using iOS of OSX

[vivid cipher]

The mobile version is wonky.

[viscid solar]

“Unusable” is the word that comes to mind . Doesn’t matter if I’m on Ethereum Mainnet, it’s been like this on safari and chrome for months now

[lofty cape]

We need more details like how much fuel is produced per node and what is the value per fuel that they are trying to regulate

everything will be the wild west for a while

[potent dock]

I think the amount of Fuel is irrelevant, since it's always 5% of all Fuel. It'll scale to demand. The price of Fuel does matter though.

I mean, it matters, but the question is "How much Fuel is being used", because once we know that, we know that 5% of that is from land.

[lofty cape]

one of 100 variables with no answers lol

[potent dock]

Yeah, not really possible to answer until we see player numbers once we're live

[vivid cipher]

I only ever use the browser built into the metamask app.

[mint horizon]

What is sILV? How can I make money from illuvium

[loud gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[spring spear]

Does the last announcement have to do with a airdrop for SILv that was reduced to 0 or something else?

I don't think I ever let a scam account get access. My SILv was just diluted to worthless

[viscid solar]

Interesting. So you log into Illuvium with the apps browser you mean?

[dire tiger]

Nope. It is not for sILV. It was for the prior discord hack scam prior to sILV nuke.

[vivid cipher]

Oops I forgot to reply @viscid solar. Yeah. I usually just use it to check my rewards though. I did successfully claim from the ILV pool though. The issue with using it to claim from the SLP pool was that it would not have the 2nd transaction pop up. However it seems like I’m guessing that in v2 staking that exact thing won’t be a problem. Less transactions will be needed.

[tranquil rampart]

Can anyone explain what the effects will be from last IMX L2 update in addition to ILV?

[viscid solar]

Wow! Took a few times rebooting but WORKED! Thank you

[fickle forge]

Hi guys

I have a question

Lands of tier 1 will not have fuel right? What about Landes of tier 2 will they contain fuel? What are the differences between the 2

[signal raptor]

T1 1 fuel T2 3 fuels

[copper falcon]

Read this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/895516904951779358/IlluviumZero-WIP-LandTiersSitesAndLandmarks-GDD-20211007.pdf and in general check the pin, many useful info there

[left fjord]

Do we know mint day for land?

[simple juniper]

No specific day quite yet sorry maybe late February or early March IMO

[left fjord]

Thank you sir

[inner briar]

do we know anything about lands roi?

[vivid cipher]

The ROI is dependent on the amount of paying users that the illuvium maingame has. All the land owners will produce and be able to sell around 5% of the total fuel (in game tokens) supply used in Illuvium. It’s an active return. Not passive. You must play #🎮〕illuvium-zero to be able to produce the fuel. There’s also the ability to produce special skinned items for the maingame as well. Check the pins for more info about fuel sites.

[inner briar]

Yes, thanks. I meant if we know anything about estimate numbers. We have some investors interested in buying lands, but, of course, they would like to know how much will they be able to earn. And as far as I know, we know nothing about it.

[vivid cipher]

Unless you can predict how many players will spend how much money on a game that is not yet released…

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

[inner briar]

well, there is no way of knowing that... but there is a way of knowing how much fuel could be produced. And knowing that the price of the fuel will be more or less fixed, it is not so weird to think that they could have given us an estimate... thanks anyway...

[worthy musk]

Yes that's true but the numbers will always change and if they did that it could be used against them if things change, so I think that them holding that info is best as not to get a pump and dump mentality forced on the community

[burnt thunder]

It would be nice to find out how much time you would have to dedicate to your Illuvium zero plot of land to maximize the benefit of fuel production. To be honest The time I do have to play games with, will be mostly with the main game since that's what is most fun for me. Although if you have to be seriously active everyday to maximize your land plot, then I feel buying the land won't be worth it unless that's your main game play and not the Illuvium game itself.

[vivid cipher]

I’ve heard 30 minutes to 2 hours. Depending on what stage in development. And 30 days of that to get to max levels. Or pay to speed things up. At least that’s the info I’ve read in the past.

It’s mostly an idle builder.

[burnt thunder]

Oh well then it could be worth it, if after a certain amount of days spent building it up, it takes much less work to maintain and therefore leaving you more time for the main game.

[lofty cape]

There is active playing the land and passive generation which is less

There has not be a ton of detail around both but one yields higher returns

[viscid solar]

The question is tho IF you have developed land with building and SELL IT, do the buildings go with the land or are they wiped?

[viscid bolt]

Good question!

[muted moth]

Johnny sort of talks about this here: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message seems they want to add a market for buying bare land and then building it up to sell for a profit

[viscid solar]

“Structures would persist” TLDR :

[granite meadow]

Do you have to buy any tokens etc before the land sale or is it just a straight price tag in ETH and you click "buy"

[analog inlet]

its a Dutch auction the price starts at MAX ( final prices is still unknown) and gradually go down . Yes there will be a "buy" button and You can "try" to buy a land but if multiple people try to buy the land at the same time only one will have success the rest will play failed transaction gas fees and get nothing. Payment is in ETH and sIlv V2

[supple light]

forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the reason for switching to Layer 2 with Staking V2 to avoid the gas war? or is that still going to be a factor?

[analog inlet]

staking will not be on L2 until V3 farrrrrrrrrrr into the future

[supple light]

oh my mistake, I thought a big point of V2 was to avoid insane gas

[analog inlet]

its more optimization ofthe contracts to hopefully lower them

[supple light]

ah okay got it thanks

[storm crypt]

It's clear that we don't know the amount of players but we should know the yield which is achieved by Land. Do I understand correctly, 5% of fuel used/bought for the game is produced by land 95% is sold by ILV (means goes to RevDis)? Are there other incomes. And how expansive will fuel be, I mean in relation to other things you will need (shards, etc.)?

[storm crypt]

Yeah, I also saw on youtube that gas will be gone (or much smaller) with V2. It seems untrue

[fickle forge]

From what I know is that the first land sale is not on v2 immutable x

That’s what @violet karma said in an interview

Is that right?

[empty path]

Yes

[viscid solar]

It is true

https://tenor.com/view/uh-thats-the-point-christina-applegate-jen-harding-dead-to-me-this-is-exactly-the-point-gif-17811423

[idle blade]

It should be smaller, but it is true only for contracts on V2

[boreal sparrow]

wen silv v2 bruv

[idle blade]

Ask developers 🙂

I am sure there will be a session next week about it

[analog inlet]

staking v2 does not get rid of gas fees . We don't know right now what the actual effect will be other than it will be some % less

[viscid solar]

That’s what I said was true: reduced gas 💯

[analog inlet]

sorry then i though you were saying it was true it would get rid of gas as that was part of their question

[vivid cipher]

The yield is gonna be variable based on demand. The rest of the fuel sales do go to ILV revdis. The other potential resource for land holders is blueprints.

The price of 1 fuel token in relation to 1 shard is irrelevant at this point. It could be 1 trillion fuel tokens for 1 shard or it could be .001 fuel tokens for 1 shard. The USD value of that shard and the amount of USD value able to be produced by land holders would be the same. I will share a link to something you may think is helpful though.

This is something from a long time ago. There may be some newer estimates but the actual usd prices won’t affect how much fuel land produces. Land will be able to produce about 5% of the fuel that the users of the maingame are using.

Here is a post regarding the cost to play the game. It is based on hypothetical amounts but gives an idea. Note: values are in USD but they'd be paid in either FUEL or sILV:

If you want to enter the P2E regions, you will need to pay a small travel fee. To capture an illuvial, you will need to cure a shard; to profit off that Illuvial, you will need to sell it on IlluviDEX. So let's break down those fees for a second (none of these amounts are confirmed, and this is NFA.)

Travel Fee = $10
Avg. Curing Fee = $20
Sell Price of Illuvial $100 - IMX receives $1, Seller receives $94 and $5 goes to the DAO Vault
Here’s kieran’s original post… #💬〕general message

[signal raptor]

It will be strange if curing fee cost more than a travel no ?

[supple light]

this would be a really cool idea! It would open up the options for how you want to play even more. You could end up with ILV architects who make their money by buying, building, and flipping. So many options

[storm crypt]

Thanks for the link. That is interesting information. I don't think that ratio between shard costs and fuel are irrelevant. If for one loop people consider a certain amount as maximum and most of this goes to shards and only a minority to gas then land would not be very attractive, in comparison to staking ILV.
Or can you use gas to cure a shard.
Is there any source for more details about the game loop expenses etc. (besides the post you already linked)

[vivid cipher]

Not necessarily. Since the illuvials are more valuable than the other harvestable items we can get while doing a run.

[vivid cipher]

Staking ILV is pretty much always going to be a better investment for passive income.

The scarcity of land compared to scarcity of ILV along with the 19:1 (95:5) is simply not going to be as good. Land is for two things in my eyes. To be able to play to earn in #🎮〕illuvium-zero AND to hold the scarce land NFT asset. The inherent value of that may very well be worth it. But it won’t be a strong PASSIVE return. Well at least not AS strong as ILV.

The math is pretty clear on that.

[analog inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[storm crypt]

You mean the math is as simple as 'value of Land' = 'value of ILV'/19 + 'unknown value originating of scarcity of land'? If we for now we ignore that ILV will be also generate profit from future game projects and merchandize (which should not be negligible, if I reconsider).

[storm crypt]

Makes sense, I guess. Good to know that approach or understanding of Illuvium.

[vivid cipher]

The problem is scarcity of land doesn’t create more passive income. It creates inherent asset value. Not quite the same thing.

There’s some numbers run in an old document pinned in here. I’ll share I picture of it in a minute.

[analog inlet]

@storm crypt NFA my personal view #💰〕token message I am NOT a potential land buyer in due to the the content in the link I believe any liquidity is better spent what is noted.

[storm crypt]

On the other hand it seems unfair that an active investor should have less or same return. On the other hand he has exclusive land. Interesting to think about it.

[vivid cipher]

Actually I’m not going to sorry. It’s not as clear as I’d like. Oh well. I’m logging off for the day.

[storm crypt]

🖐️

[lofty cape]

Good afternoon folks

[undone phoenix]

Hi all

[lofty cape]

Need some V2 land sale to happen!

[small star]

No one is hoping for it anymore 😂

[distant lodge]

Yes we itching for it bad!

[abstract crown]

I can’t decide whether to buy land or just stake more ilv instead. Torn 😦

[simple juniper]

I know it’s a hard choice

[abstract crown]

I like the passive eth from the land but think revdis will be worth more in the long run.

[fair temple]

Land will be producing fuel for all the different games as well. so land basically gets a cut on any game Illuvium makes. You do have to put in effort to continue harvesting resources there while Revdis is passive income. 🙂

[thorny crater]

Damn 1eth + for a tier 1?! I wanted 7 of these and I think I’ll have to settle for like 2 lol

We only get 5% of profit though. Better than nothing but it ain’t much

[abstract crown]

Yeah I think il be good at that though as it’s something I could do while I’m at work on mobile. It’s so tempting but I only have about 5000 gbp to invest overall so it would be quite a big chunk I’d have to put into the land

[idle blade]

it is a tough choice, there are too many factors involved in land. For now revdis looks more appealing

[main crag]

Remember, it’s a Dutch auction: that’s the maximum price

[little moon]

is that mentionned in the game ?

[lofty cape]

It has the "efficiency" listed on the buildings

You will have the ability to move them to get higher or lower depending on the layout

[cyan dew]

same

waiting for my SILV V2 ^^

[long tendon]

Its a dutch auction so it may go down to a reasonable price.

[viscid bolt]

As long as someone doesn't buy it first

[long tendon]

Im of the opinion that people will run out of their alloted budget pretty fast shouls they buy off the top. As nanaki just mentioned. Instead of buying 7 hell use his budgeted allocation to get only 2. So that leaves 5 more to others 😜

[analog inlet]

there has been no official update on the time line so I think "any day now " is setting yourself up for disappointment but would not sent my expectation before beginning of march it if happens earlier you'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't think we have even reached this stage yet.

Soon: Deploy Staking V2 contracts, and begin the 2-week window to upgrade.

They may be still waiting for the audit to finish

[static blade]

Sorry what is revdis? Am thinking of getting some land some trying to learn as much as possible thanks!

[static blade]

Is the price list already out? Or still speculation

[analog inlet]

This is jsut a draft and the contents are all subject to change including the prices which most probably will be higher in the next revision as it is the main reason for the revision after a earlier discussion with the community reach consensus the prices were to low when compared to the amount of sILV that had been claimed.

[marsh sage]

Agreed on the above comments on number of people actually buying land. I also think that with future land sales, some will choose to sit in the sidelines here and focus more on staking for now until future use cases and land value is clearer.

[vivid cipher]

!revdis

[dry forge]

The tokenomics of this DAO include a 100% revenue distribution (could be subject to change - DAO governance). This means that any kind of revenue generated through sales or in-game revenue is distributed back to holders of staked ILV. The same max supply of 10 Million ILV will be used for this purpose regardless of how many games the DAO develops.

Revenue distribution is paid out in the form of unlocked ILV and the payout is done multiple times a week without a fixed schedule. Before paying out revenue distribution, the vault converts ETH spent in-game into ILV by buying it off the market which puts buying pressure on the ILV token and thus supports its price development.

[marsh sage]

The likely weighting of T1 to T2 is very interesting to me

Starting bids have T2 at 3x the T1 starting rates. I recognize that the fuel resources are the primary income stream but that would indicate there is effectively zero value to the other resources

[normal bough]

"paid out in the form of unlocked ILV"

Didnt we say a few daays ago that staking rewards come in the form of 1year locked staked ILV?

[marsh sage]

Because if you can buy 3 T1 for about the same price as one T2, you can get 9 nodes of the other resources instead of the 6 that come on a T2, while still having 3 fuel nodes

[vivid cipher]

Staking rewards aren’t revdis.

[normal bough]

Ahhhh so those are 2 different things. We will continue to get staking rewards as well as Revdis, as long as there are Staking rewards still available in the pool. But eventually, the pool is going to be dried and then it is only revdis, right?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah. Yield farming/staking rewards are set to runout after three years. Revdis is forever.

[normal bough]

Will RevDis be subject to Locking weight due to lock time?

[vivid cipher]

Let’s continue this elsewhere. #🥩〕staking seems right.

[static blade]

Thx!

So essentially purchasing land lines u up for revdis as long as the game is running

[vivid cipher]

No. Revdis is for ILV tokens.

!land is different

[dry forge]

There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in📣│announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game which will be staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints which can interact with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #illuvium-zero .

[fair temple]

No... land and ILV tokens both have their benefits.
Land produces fuel for any in-game action. Fuel has to be bought from the land owners to do the actions therefor it gives revenue to the landowners. To get fuel however you need to put in continuous effort.
ILV tokens give revdis, this is a 5% cut on every transaction that happens in the game or on the market. Revenue from these sources go directly to the ILV holders. You just have to hold and stake the tokens to get this revenue passively.

[barren shale]

In respect to the discount with buying land with SILV please could you explain how this is achieved… and the savings that will be made. I am looking at land but want to know how to buy with SILV because of the discounts

[long tendon]

Just to clarify. Fuel is bought through the balancer pool which the dao produces 75% of the fuel and the land owners who produce 25% of it sells it to the same pool. Theres no direct selling of fuel from land owner to a player of the main game. (Percentages may be wrong)

[fair temple]

I didnt read the last line. But it would more likely be a 5/95% split :)

[long tendon]

Ive never really gotten to confirm that numbers if the 5٪ is only on the sale of the fuel or if the team was talking about 5% of the overall revenue of the IP.

[fair temple]

Messaged with Johnny on that once. The DAO provides 95% of the fuel.

[long tendon]

Thanks for the clarification! interesting to see the actual numbers on the income of based on that

[fair temple]

Yeah we all are excited to see how it plays out :)

[static blade]

Thank you for that! So essentially as a land owner, I have to play the game and mine my land to earn the fuel in game and then sell it in market for $. If I don't play the game then land is pretty much useless other then hopeful capital appreciation?

[fair temple]

Yes that is basically it :) but you should be able to somehow get a scholar to play fór you on your land. So someone else plays and it would benefit you

[static blade]

Like renting! So would it be safe to say thay if i end up buying 10 different plots of land from tier 1 to tier 4, it will take alot of my personal time to mine all this fuel also considering the land will be spread out across illuvium and takes time to travel to as well?

[fair temple]

Now there is another misconception. There would be no travel times as it is a whole different game than the main game "Illuvium"

Yes you would have to manage 10 different plots. But this is in a mini-game like space.
Illuvium Zero that has lands is a very different genre than the main game Illuvium. Think of it like a clash-of-clans game where you manage 1 account per land you own. When you have 10 lands you will have to manage 10 different accounts.

If you have never played a builder type of game i would recommend playing Clash of clans till you reach town hall 4 once. It takes like 2-5 days orso depending on your activity.
If you like it then land is for you, if you dont, then you might want to focus on ILV tokens or buy land for potential value appreciation or to have scholars play on it for you.

[static blade]

Ah thanks for clarification, so the land will only be in illuvium zero which is separate from the main game. The main aim of this game is to mine resources and sell them to players in the main game.

Also would it make more sense if you have a limited amount time to only focus on your higher tiered land (assuming they will be more fruitful), while renting out the rest to scholars

I will download now, never played clash of clans but have played numerous builders before

Thanks @fair temple !

[fair temple]

Anytime! 👍

[static blade]

So illuvium zero will be reset once the main game starts and we will have to start building again?

[abstract crown]

Yeah good practise run for efficiency though 🙂

[static blade]

👍👍👍

!land

[dry forge]

There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in📣│announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game which will be staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints which can interact with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #illuvium-zero .

[undone phoenix]

Also, blueprints

[static blade]

Just did a search, I guess there is no set date for the mini game to start yet?

Do we need to register somewhere

!illuvium zero

[undone phoenix]

No need to register anywhere. Everyone can play. If you want to be able to earn, you need to buy land though. This will be sold via auction. No date yet though

[static blade]

Ah sweet! So assuming the game only starts after the land sale

[undone phoenix]

Correct 👍🏻

[static blade]

Thanks for that, am waiting intently

[oblique basin]

If the DAO sell 95% of the fuel that means holders of ilv will get the 95% of fuel money where as those who wold land will only get 5%. Hope that is enough income considering how expensive are lands

[icy pecan]

Hello

[analog inlet]

Just clarification you do not sell it to market individual landholder earnings are a stable 5% of total are earing as simply based on what that individual landowner can produce.. So there is no peer - peer sales or any "competition" between landowners for the "best price"

example:

1 landowner only produced 1 unit of fuel to swap to the balancer they get whatever 1 unit is worth in ETH

if another land owner produces 5 units they get whatever 1 unit of fuel is worth when swap to the balancer x5 in ETH

so it really does not matter how many plots of land are active as the DAO produces 95% of the fuel so there will never be a "shortage"

[marsh sage]

This particular concept is very nice too. You don’t have to go tot he marketplace and constantly be trying to run sales transactions.

Instead, you’re able to just generate the resources and the market takes care of it for you by calculating your respective portion of the economy.

[slate goblet]

Is there any word regarding fuels being traded on IMX or we still gonna need to spend tons on ETH network fee to buy fuels and transfer them to IMX?

[analog inlet]

please my post 2 post above you should not need to trade them as Fuel is bought in game 0 gas traded to a balancer in #🎮〕illuvium-zero for ETH if you are a landowner

[slate goblet]

please ur above post doesn't answer my question :p

[analog inlet]

if you read my repose it did ** you should not need to trade them as Fuel is bought in game 0 gas traded to a balancer in ** #🎮〕illuvium-zero if your a land owner

[slate goblet]

so there won't be a Balancer pool anymore? fuels will exist only in-game and we gonna buy them directly with ETH on IMX? do u know any article explaining the change?

[analog inlet]

no you buy form the balancer in game ..... they wil have a place to buy fuel in game

[slate goblet]

buy with ETH directly in-game?

[analog inlet]

yes no gas the game is built on IMX L2

[slate goblet]

cool! so we won't be able to swap fuels? only buy and spend them?

[analog inlet]

yes fuel can only be bought with ETH at this time and is spend on the appriate action

[slate goblet]

so they won't be on blockchain anymore?

[analog inlet]

as far as we know it will still be a erc -20 token on the block chain

[slate goblet]

so we gonna need to transfer ETH to IMX first to buy fuel?

[analog inlet]

yes and for that you will need to pay gas fees anything going from ETH mainnet - IMX or for IMX to Eth mainnet will require gas fee.

However IMX has a FULL KYC on ramp with Moonpay if you want to deposit ETH directly into IMX

[slate goblet]

I'm glad, this reassures me

[storm crypt]

As I understand you do not need IMX to use it. That was stated in the whitepaper "Unlike other solutions, there is no need for you to own a unique L2 token to buy, sell, send, or receive NFTs."

[slate goblet]

I guess that refers to f2p, doesn't it?

[storm crypt]

Don't thinks so. Read yourself https://docs.illuvium.io/

[analog inlet]

Fuel is used for all activities out side FTP . So you will need eth and will need to buy fuel .

Your statement is out of context it means** you do not need to be an ILV holder to play the game**

[solemn wadi]

Land sale is gonna be silent or public? I do not undesrtand pretty well this

[analog inlet]

T1-T4 public dutch auction. T5 silent auction

[marsh sage]

They will post plots of land at first at the starting price. Over a 2 hour period the price will drop til all have been purchased

[abstract spruce]

Bro so a Tier 4 piece of land will be 40-50 ETH? thats insane......

[marsh sage]

They’ll then repeat this over and over again through a three day window.

[solemn wadi]

Thanks! So prices for t1 starts at 0.5?

[marsh sage]

Prices will start at the higher proposed rates (like 1-1.25 ETH for T1)

[abstract spruce]

So to confirm.. Tier 4 will be $100k+ USD?

[queen folio]

Potentially. And Starting price. Keep in mind it is a Dutch Auction format and the price will rapidly decrease every minute the land is not purchased.

Please be sure to read the proposal in its entirety to understand how the sale will operate 🙂

[abstract spruce]

Yup I'm opening it now just want some background knowledge that i can get from the surface

[marsh sage]

Correct

[abstract spruce]

Just blows my mind.. i grew up playing $60 video games now we talking $100k+ just for a piece of a game !

[marsh sage]

Owning the land gives you relatively pasive income from fuel sales though. So it’s an investment class item, not really an expense like purchasing a game was 20 years ago

[abstract spruce]

Yea makes total sense i love it baby

[queen folio]

You shouldn’t be buying at the starting price. But it’s totally up to the buyer to decide how much they want to spend. Also, you skipped 3 tiers of land plots in your analogy which will be relatively cheaper.

And like Animositas, this is an investment.

[abstract spruce]

lol relaxxxxx and stop getting all butthurt I'm just making a point 😹 I'm all with the model

[marsh sage]

Yes, this too. The T1 land will likely be somewhere in the $1-2K range so certainly a good bit more accessible.

[queen folio]

Haha, No butt hurtin over here. I’m just providing you with the info you were requesting “from the surface” 😉

[abstract spruce]

Well if you wanna be a smartass, all i requested was confirmation on the Tier 4 price.. 😹 😹

[late parcel]

people aren't blind and they know land is selling for 10k+ and sometimes millions. so unfortunately the days of $40 land are fast disappearing, esp for premium games/metaverses.

[reef echo]

Thats the starting price, it goes down really fast. It will be half that in 40min or so

[sharp pewter]

hi

[civic merlin]

thanks

[empty path]

Why are you just dropping random words in channels?

[viscid bolt]

Maybe it's a form of discord poetry?

[gray spire]

Where is the poet that talks about land prices and where they start at? Link?

[empty path]

It's the poet of the pinned messages

[muted moth]

You can look at the current proposed prices in the pins, but they will likely increase by 2.5x

[sonic meteor]

thanks

[marsh sage]

Use the far right side with the updated proposed prices when making your plans and estimates. The initial prices are too low as starting points for the Dutch Auction.

[oblique basin]

The land sale will take 3 days right. I wonder how many person in the discord already have what it takes to atleast buy one land

[vivid cipher]

When you say “already” it could mean a few things. ETH in wallet (probably someone that holds ILV is a good. place to start). old sILV that will become new sILV. Enough pending rewards to claim enough sILV to buy land. Much of this can be seen on the blockchain.

[empty path]

If you have ETH, you are ready to go 🙂

[marsh sage]

Yes, I’ve been reorganizing and am holding ETH now because I think it will mainly increase from now until land sale. I suspect that most are either doing the same or are ready to purchase once the land sale date is announced.

[ripe rune]

Does anyone have any resources comparing expected returns of ILV revdiv vs land?

[analog inlet]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[subtle shell]

T5 is NOT going to be a silent auction, but a public one

[analog inlet]

wrong

[subtle shell]

Nope

[analog inlet]

Mic drop

[subtle shell]

This is OLD. Has been said in various AMAs with Kieran already

[muted moth]

It did get changed. I believe Kieran said it in a few recent AMA’s

[analog inlet]

@muted moth It may get changed it may not who knows my point is anything can be said in a AMA its still not official till the new Land IIP comes out and that is not official till the council votes. The community as whole till needs to discuss the updated IIP

Also the above is the " official" information until it is changed in a New IPP so saying its outdated is inaccurate .

IMO It would be much better as a silent auction want to see people massively overbid to make sure they are not over bit will make awesome revdivs

[finite glen]

it was changed on proposal, like what the starting price would be.

Not final call.

[low quiver]

Yah Kieran did say it wasnt going to be silent.. not official but close enough

[analog inlet]

it still has to go though due process

[low quiver]

yah everything does but we can only go off the last info we have heard lol.. better than referencing something 3 months old

[analog inlet]

for some i guess i stick to official information myself. Things will happens when they happen. people just need to chill and have patience

[low quiver]

true we all have our own insight. i like to reference the last info given as more official but we can just wait and see 🙂

[little moon]

Itll be fun to watch the auction if it ends up being public. People have made a huge range of guesses as to how much they will go for and I cant wait to see who was right!

[low quiver]

Yah gonna be crazy.. You hear people guessing 5m+ idk that seems crazy to me

[little moon]

Ive seen some guesses of $25m. Im thinking $3-5m is pretty realistic with current market conditions.

[marsh sage]

My money would be on $5-7M. It would be higher but there are 2 dropping in first wave.

[low quiver]

Yah who knows that would be some good revdis lol

[late otter]

!land

[dry forge]

There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in📣│announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game which will be staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints which can interact with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #illuvium-zero .

[viscid solar]

We’ll be able to claim sILV awards prior to auction tho right?

[simple juniper]

Yes I believe so

[viscid solar]

If bought with ETH. Not if it’s all purchased with sILV

[vivid cipher]

Exactly. That’s the “pending rewards” thing I mentioned.

[viscid solar]

I was addressing the timing was all . V2 comes first I’m assuming is an “absolute”

[simple juniper]

Yes they need to have v2 set up and everything before they can move on with the sale

[low quiver]

someone has enough silv in their wallet to purchase a tier 5? insane

[viscid solar]

You havnt seen the top sILV wallets? 🧐

[low quiver]

i checked like a month ago dont really remember any one person having millions worth. gonna check now lol

yup i was completely off 🙂

[viscid solar]

If I were the WARWICK brothers, I’d 💯 would create a holding company that controls a shared wallet and attempt to cap a T5. Just sayin, I can’t see why they wouldn’t, Kieran wanted to be and is (rightfully so) on counsel. They all worked on this with blood sweat and tears. I can’t imagine them not controlling one of the 7 T5’s

[simple juniper]

7 T5s right?

[viscid solar]

Edited, yes you’re correct

[simple juniper]

Ok perfect just making sure

[low quiver]

you buying one of them? 🤑

[marsh sage]

You gotta spend money to make money.

[left musk]

Does the T1 and T2 also give blueprints?

[simple juniper]

No no planning on buying a T4 or a couple T3s

[muted moth]

Yes. The only tier that doesn't is Tier 0

[simple juniper]

Yes and T0 generates 0 revenue 😎

[left musk]

Ok ty

[wicked imp]

Just wondering when you buy a plot of land after the game releases and you build it up etc, when you sell it on the market as an nft does the buyer get everything you did or a fresh plot of your land

[marsh sage]

I don't think it's completely clear yet. We've seen speculation both ways but I haven't seen anything definitive from the devs.

[wicked imp]

Whats the idea behind the scanning illuvials and making blueprints, are there different tiers etc?

[analog inlet]

cosmetics mostly

[wicked imp]

Yeap so they are cosmetics, but how do you get them?

[vivid cipher]

I think it’s actually 8. To match the 8 regions. But one will be kept for the DAO to own.

[vivid cipher]

Eventually yes. But it might not be ready to go like that right at the official launch. It could take a little more time.

[simple juniper]

Ohhh so the dao will own one

[boreal barn]

wen land

wen reimbursement for Silv

[vivid cipher]

Yeah

[simple juniper]

Ok thank you

[wicked imp]

Correct me if im wrong when you scan an illuvial you get a blueprint for a cosmetic, not the actual cosmetics, so how do you make one?

[vivid cipher]

First v2 staking. Then sILV stuff. Then land stuff.

[simple juniper]

Correct then you craft the skin with materials

[vivid cipher]

Check the pins in here.

[wicked imp]

And do the higher tier lands change the type of illuvials you can scan for ie. higher tier land cooler illuvials= cooler skins?

[vivid cipher]

The blueprint NFT would need to be used in the other game. Along with some ingredients.

[wicked imp]

is this done in the illuvium main game or illuvium zero

[vivid cipher]

Crafting is In the main game using materials from the main game.

[wicked imp]

So the blueprint itself is an nft, is it unlimited use or 1 time blueprint?

[vivid cipher]

Unlimited use.

So it’s interesting how the owner would be able to PLAY the market supply/demand

And eventually there could/would be other owners of that same blueprint.

[wicked imp]

Is it possible to only transfer the blueprint to yourself since you have to sell it on the market?

[vivid cipher]

I’m not sure what you mean. But it won’t be account locked or anything. Fully transferable.

[wicked imp]

As in can you have the blueprint in your own main game or do you have to sell it and if you want one you have to buy one urself?

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero and illuvium accounts would ideally be linked. But if not you could send the NFT to your other account.

[wicked imp]

Cool and when you craft the cosmetic does that also become an nft?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah

I think that even just The skin can be crafted/minted And then that skin can be applied to a previously crafted/minted item.

[wicked imp]

how abt this?

[vivid cipher]

This is tricky to remember correctly. I think at first the idea was yes. But then I think they decided it would work better differently. Like any illuvial on any land. Let me check. That is in the pins somewhere

[viscid solar]

Thank you

[wicked imp]

Alright thank you, im just trying to decide what tier land to buy in terms of what I can get out of it haha

[vivid cipher]

The heck? Did the bot warn me but not delete this?

[wicked imp]

Haha I cant see the link if there is one on your screen

[viscid bolt]

?

[vivid cipher]

Can you see the image?

[wicked imp]

Nope

[vivid cipher]

Freakin bot

@dry forge !!!!

[viscid bolt]

Where? Are you okay? 🙂

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-crazy-shes-jim-gif-17994547

[viscid bolt]

Alright, as long as everything is okay 🙂

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Alright both of those posts have good working game documents if you want to check them out. Again those and so much more is pinned.

[viscid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-kimberly-wilkins-interview-gif-3531013

[vivid cipher]

Apparently not.

[viscid solar]

“note that scanning is not research”

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-stressed-read-reading-gif-4469320

[viscid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-what-im-doing-gif-7850523

[placid cypress]

So t1 is estimated to be .5 to 1.5. Eth, what is T2 estimated to be please?

Or can someone point me in the right direction? I can't find the original post I saw on it ...

[vivid cipher]

[placid cypress]

None on this channel

I just checked the pins in 5 diff channels none have them.

Been trying to figure this out the past hour on my phone and now it's dying. How irritating

@vivid cipher what channel pins dude

[amber atlas]

a new IIP will come out with the updated STARTING prices, the original STARTING prices IIP can be found pinned in #809220563397902346, it is expected the new STARTING prices will be higher than the original ones as per the discussion in that channel

note that these are starting prices, 'estimated prices' don't really have much meaning: just because the most people, or the loudest people, predict some price, it doesn't mean it has much weight

[placid cypress]

Thank you. @vivid cipher were you trolling me bro? I checked like 10 channels none of them have pins

[amber atlas]

(and there are absolutely parties that aim to influence such speculation either up or down to suit their own agenda)

[vivid cipher]

It’s literally the second pinned post in here. I’ll find it for you.

[amber atlas]

---

land tier does not affect scanning or research, but (leak alert) in trying to achieve balancing goals we may introduce some overall production modifiers to ensure that higher tiers are better producers

[amber atlas]

(details will be included in an IIP, presumably the same one as the updated prices)

[marsh sage]

Go on…

[vivid cipher]

Lol and this one. This is the top pin in here. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[placid cypress]

Sorry then the pins must not be working on my mobile, thank you for the graphic @vivid cipher and the clarity @amber atlas

[vivid cipher]

Yeah discord glitches.

[placid cypress]

I will say thats the most beautiful graphic I've ever seen for a game

[vivid cipher]

And it’s community made. Not even the team.

But yeah. Illuvium brings out the best. Thanks @amber atlas

[viscid crypt]

I’m new here. Hi.

[vivid cipher]

!welcome take a look around and don’t trust any DMs.

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[viscid solar]

Some great golden nuggets

[acoustic vine]

any news about the landsale?

[vivid cipher]

Nothing significant yet.

[heavy venture]

so people are thinking the land will be more between 1 and 1.5 eth for T1

[empty path]

Could be more

[static blade]

Will land sale be on imx net work or eth?

[heavy venture]

Oh damn, how high do they think T1 will be? I just saw that last graphic

[umbral badge]

getting closer to that Land launch... Lucky February is short!

[dire tiger]

could be less 😛

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-fortune-teller-tell-fortunes-read-fortunes-see-your-future-gif-14068961

[empty path]

ETH

[wispy aurora]

I must agree (not bias👀)

[long tendon]

I second. (also not bias)

[opaque spindle]

hopefully we sitll get it in Feb!

[boreal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

silv2 ^ 😦

[proper nest]

Hope we don't get land in February, as I bought more ILV.

[umbral badge]

Personally I doubt it.
I expect Staking V2 will need 2 weeks of full focus once it is released (which I hope will be in maybe 1 week)

Then landsale will need to be hyped for a good 2 weeks before the sale.
So I think land sale will be minimum 4 weeks from when Staking V2 is announced/released.

Just my opinion though

[opaque spindle]

totally get what you mean. Think it is reasonable deduction. With little updates on staking v2, i am also not really expecting the land sale to happen so soon.

[tight kestrel]

i have some eth and i'd like to put it together to my sILV to get some higher tier... will it be possible? i rather buy one high tier than 2 T1...

[abstract crown]

Pretty sure you have to buy in either all eth or all silv

[torpid geode]

This is cool! But wen silv v2 haha, I really need that back! Want to buy that land

[torpid geode]

This is what I am thinking as well

[lofty cape]

If there is a secondary market you will swap ETH for sILV but use caution ⚠️

[shell rose]

Probably this month sometime is the latest we know

[loud gazelle]

with this dip in price my measly 8 silv will barely be enough for 1 tier 1 land fk

[empty path]

Yeah I feel your pain

[teal garnet]

Is there a date for the first land sale yet?

[muted moth]

Nope. Hopefully happens by the end of March tho

[slow cedar]

When is it that seed investors unlock? And are they entitled to rev distributions while locked? If land sale is delayed too long could this have an impact?

[vivid cipher]

Yes to all. Check pins in #💰〕token

[civic merlin]

Great thanks

[primal zephyr]

How long has it been since the SILV2 upgrade started? I'm not getting any rewards for the moment.

[vivid cipher]

Check #🥩〕staking and #📣〕announcements.

[lofty cape]

They are paused for the upgrade just wait till it drops!

[quaint rampart]

hey guys, any idea or news when the land sale will take place?

i just lost track like 2/3 weeks ago

[analog inlet]

please see the info in #📣〕announcements if you see no new info regarding this no more official information has been shared by the team and no specific dates have been given

[neat plover]

ooooo

[viscid solar]

January 20th #📣〕announcements

[normal bough]

@amber atlas Will ILZ include blueprint for Mozart skins?

[amber atlas]

no

[viscid solar]

Good question actually

[amber narwhal]

When do you think we will be ready for the land sale? ://

[ashen kestrel]

+1

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wen-elephant-wen-when-gif-23807749

[alpine wagon]

what do people think the T5 land will sell for?

[empty path]

People have been saying millions

[mellow cedar]

So from what I’ve gathered, actual private land will be available for purchase inside the game? What kinda benefit would come from that. Or is it just clout

[analog inlet]

No there is only going to be 100 000 plots in existence released over the next couple years in 5x 20K land sales on the Illividex ( which can then be sold on the secondary market again on the Illuvidex ( not yet released ) S0 only 100 000 land will ever be "active" the rest will be "ftp" land which offer no practical benefit its simply for fun .

for example if #🎮〕illuvium-zero has 500 00 players only 100 000 will actually be "real" once all the lands are released

[left sinew]

Any ideas as to what the land plots will sell for?

[fluid needle]

It will be a Dutch auction, so the prices will start high and go lower until someone buys it, so its hard to guess the price

[vivid cipher]

!land it’s not land in the main rpg game. Check the pins in this channel. There’s a ton. All great info.

[dry forge]

There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in📣│announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game which will be staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints which can interact with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #illuvium-zero .

[static blade]

Here

[frosty lagoon]

are we ever going to get an update. Would be nice to know at least the basic timeline.

[amber atlas]

I don't think we will publish a new timeline until we get silv v2 and staking v2 released, but I'll raise your concern

[lofty bramble]

New timeline would be great! I'm lost now when to expect things to be happening. Everything just seems to be soon haha

just trying to keep my excitement in check. Getting more hyped every day

[viscid solar]

I’d be happy to hear Q1 2023. It’s takes as long as it takes 💪🏻💯

[left musk]

WTF

[heady dew]

this

[barren shale]

whats the reason behind new land prices?

[empty path]

Don't want bots to buy them all because they are too cheap

[analog inlet]

the new land prices have not been released . After a discussion with the community there was a consensus that the prices were way to low given the total amount of sILV ( now defunct and worthless ) that is currently in circulation. ( sILV will be replaced with sILV v2)

[undone phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[worthy musk]

do we have an answer on the land sale start prices yet what's been voted in?

[undone phoenix]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vague tide]

there was a DM me to join mint in mint(-)illuvium.io look very good, they much spend a lot of time to make a duplicate like that ,LOL

[empty path]

Please post this in #🚨❗〕report-scammers make sure you add the FULL discord-ID

[barren shale]

Okay thanks but this don’t help the ones paying with ETH such as myself. What would you do in my situation by SILV and then buy land? Will this be more beneficial? Thanks

[iron laurel]

Do NOT buy sILV right now. That can't be said forcefully enough. You will just be out your ETH.
At this point, imo, just hold your ETH to buy land with.
Version 2 sILV will be coming out before the land sale and there may be an UNOFFICIAL pool on uniswap again.

[barren shale]

Okay thanks

[harsh dew]

What is the name of the type of building that collect Elements ?
As Extractor is for Fuels ?

[muted moth]

I'd recommend taking a look at this leak Johnny posted: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[autumn island]

Those are the names but I am not sure if there is a term to call this type of buildings.

[glad venture]

sorry if this has already been answered but is there a maximum to the amount of fuel you can generate from your land per day/week/month?

[autumn island]

We don’t have the numbers yet, and it’s possible to change during beta. The production will depend on the number of fuel sites on each land, and how efficient you build your city.

I can’t think of reasons to put a hard limit on the production, I would assume it’s unlimited

[high sleet]

just dropped a new vid in #🎨〕community-content I'd really appreciate a couple likes and comments guys!

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-sleeping-bed-gif-7518157

[tawny wasp]

Do we know anything about what the gameplay will be like?

[ebon edge]

is there now any new Info about the landsale date

[opal thistle]

Yes, you can check the official Illuvium YT channel and there is a pre-alpha vid about IZ:
https://youtu.be/qZrAlOQgdpY

[opal thistle]

Not an official date yet but V2 contracts are getting out soon!!!

[queen folio]

[hollow crystal]

Hi. Which one of land is more profitable? x5 Tier 1 or x1 Tier 3??

[marsh sage]

Profitability isn’t probably clear yet. But from a productivity standpoint a 2xT2 is more closely aligned with 5xT1. It’s 5 vs 6 fuel nodes and 15 vs 12 resource nodes. A T3 has the landmark which will likely make it much more valuable. The developers have valued T3 as 10x a T1 (at least as far as starting rates in the auction).

[amber atlas]

very roughly each tier is 3x more productive than the previous tier from a pure Fuel production stand point

higher tier has other benefits like less management time (its ~ 9 times less time consuming to manage 1 T3 vs 9 T1) and also the time it takes to reach max output (in a T1 you might be waiting quite a lot longer for the various elements, etc, required to build your next building)

[fair temple]

are the landmarks added in the 3x already? So the T3 produces roughly 3x of a T2, but only due to the landmark?

[amber atlas]

as per a leak I posted a bit early, we are adding an overall production boost to tiers as well (increasing as you go up Tiers)

(but yes this ~3x includes the boost from landmarks)

we will include details in the IIP for land sale price update

[muted moth]

Any ETA on that or is it more something that you are waiting to finalize until closer to sale time to see how the market is behaving to set prices?

[amber atlas]

yes, the closer the IIP is to the release the better it can reflect the market, so we need to drop it with enough time to allow for discussion and vote, but not so early that a market shift can lead to sub-optimal starting price values

[muted moth]

Ok that's what I figured. Any news on when the IZ trailer will launch? I know Kieran said it was pretty much done

[fair temple]

we gotta push those starting prices up now that the closed beta is almost ready lol People will go ham on land as they realise that there is a game! XD

[amber atlas]

hah

[mint geyser]

Hey, I would like to prepare for land sales. Does it make more sense to buy and stake ilv or will it be too close with the landsale and I should try it via eth?

[simple juniper]

I see, this is very interesting I was contemplating purchasing 3 T3 or 1 T4 and I think this sways my opinion 😂 if you have time quick could you go into a little more depth about this

[vivid cipher]

It seems we missed pinning that one. 🤷

[proper storm]

How much is the T4 auction starting price?

[simple juniper]

The proposal is being updated to a little higher of a price but atm it is starting at 20ETH

[reef echo]

When I saw the announcements lit up just now I got way too excited..

[amber atlas]

Basically:

1. we were seeing that Fuel production was becoming the primary mechanic for the valuation of land, even though most other land sales have been about rarity, putting something concrete like Fuel production in place, seemed to downplay the benefits of rarity

2. although the ability to get to the optimal state quicker and pivot faster was a benefit of higher tier lands, the overall production (including landmarks and additional sites) wasn't balancing out against the value calculations from 1

Rather than subtle hard to calculate differences, or simply adding a bunch more sites (which have their own problems as they consume space), it seemed the obvious solution was to go back to some element of the original proposal where there were overall quality differences between Tiers

With that in mind the current view is to add the following production boosts for Fuel and Element extraction:

T1 - 0% boost
T2 - 10% boost over T1
T3 - 20% boost over T1
T4 - 50% Boost over T1
T5 - 100% Boost over T1

When combined with existing site increases per tier, and the landmarks (both as per current design), this gives a 2.5-3.3x boost to overall production from one tier to the next

[autumn island]

Does the xxx% Boost over T1 mean over all FUEL/Element production per plot, or does it mean for each FUEL/Element site?

[amber atlas]

subtlety to note this applies to extracting fuel from a site only, not conversion ... unlike a landmark which boosts both

[amber atlas]

the boost is applied on a per action basis (when you extract on T1 you get 100 Solon, when you extract on T3 you get 120 Solon), it is only applied to the extraction action, and it occurs after other efficiencies are calculated

undecided: it may also apply on passive collection of resources (I think yes, but haven't worked through it)

[viscid bolt]

It seems like T4 and T5 have other benefits besides fuel such as rarity, landmarks, arenas, etc. So may not need the fuel boost as much as the T2, and T3 lands may need. For me it would be nice to have something like...T2 = T1+30%, T3 = T1 + 60%, T4 = T1 + 80% and T5 = T1 + 100%

[amber atlas]

obviously T5 is a very special case

[autumn island]

Awesome, that is a decent amount of boost 👍🏻

[stable plank]

Illuvium is on which testing and developing period? On alpha on beta ?production or live release? Which one it is? 🙂

[muted moth]

Getting ready to start private beta. Please refrain from posting the same question in multiple channels, someone will get to it eventually. No need to spam

[stable plank]

What’s the difference between beta and private beta?

[oblique basin]

one question, can silv replace fuel to do any action in the game, or is there some things where only fuel can be used to accomplish a certain thing?

[autumn island]

sILV will have the some user case as FUEL and ETH but not trading between players. So, fuel can sell for ETH to players but not sILV on IlluviDEX.

[oblique basin]

i know this is land-related, but the other channels seem dead, can i know where i can learn more about illuvitars

[lavish escarp]

buying land is pretty much pay to win

[autumn island]

you can try #💬〕general , it's always active there. You can find out more about illuvitars in #901583408235446292 message with IIP-13

Community have the idea to do unlimited base mint with free T0, so if that the case the IIP will need to update the pricing later on. No date is set for the sale, it would be after land sale. Please don't reply here, any future discussion can go to general 😀

[autumn island]

how do you win ZERO, there is no PvP or PvE, just enjoy building it, right?

[lavish escarp]

it translates to in game stuff doesnt it? the building is like a sidegame type of thing

or maybe the whole game is pay to win in general, because you have to pay for everything

[vivid cipher]

Private beta is only played by a limited number of registered users that can’t share anything because they are under NDA. But what the actual game Launch will be is called OPEN beta. Anyone can play its all blockchain connected and there’s no NDA. Live streaming and everything. It’s the game. But it’s expected to be worked on to improve it.

[amber atlas]

off-topic: but the core ranked mode is aimed at being an esport, there is some spend required to get started and get the core creatures you need, but the expectation is that any one serious about the game will easily reach this threshold and thus it will be a completely level playing field for serious play

[late parcel]

yea i was saying a full team of illuvials is no problem for any esports org. tryouts would be key. most pros would be able to get one too, if they were switching games.

[amber atlas]

remember you only need the stage 1's to unlock all illuvials in a line in ranked play, and you don't really need a full set, like most games people will probably tend to have several favourite compositions with 'sideboards' to tech against various competition ... e.g. you can easily make Legend in Hearthstone without all the cards

[late parcel]

stage 1 = all evolved tiers? am i getting that right. and yes if people agree on a meta that'd surely be the case.

[amber atlas]

in any case this is a bit off-topic for IZ channel, but ranked is not pay to win, its "be good at the game to win"

[late parcel]

just to clarify, atlas stage 1 unlocks his fully evolved form?

[amber atlas]

in ranked play, (you don't get the NFT obviously), but you can play the evolved versions during ranked play if you own the Stage I

[late parcel]

right, and you'd still want the NFT because the stage 1 of other desirable illuvials for ranked are in higher tier Zones? which you might need that NFT to reach (and try and build that Legend deck as per your Hearthstone analogy)

[amber atlas]

PVP: there is also Leviathan Arena where you can only play what you own
PVM: stronger Illuvials make it easier to capture other strong illuvials in more difficult zones 🙂

[late parcel]

Idk how leviathan arena will go exactly.. most people would want to do ranked/survival (and im assuming survival, u get the same benefit of all tiers?).

[amber atlas]

I think maybe getting a bit too deep in an off-topic chat now

it is also best to have this conversation with Aaron or designers working on Auto-battle game, I try to keep up-to-date, but not heavily invovled in the design of AB anymore

[late parcel]

alright. thanks, maybe I can write the wiki so everyone could know this stuff xd. a lot is in #🚰〕leaks or not in whitepaper...

[late parcel]

yeah sometimes, but understandably its infrequent and they will have many people asking questions.

idk if you need someone to bounce ideas off im willing to help, love talking about competitive modes and metas.. studied some tft challenger

[lavish escarp]

i see, thank you for clarifying

[elder trail]

Yup that's my understanding. It's all gonna be about building, resources and fuel. Oh and blueprints which I am also curious to see.

[autumn island]

There was leak from Kieran's interview, land sale / ZERO open beta might be ready by middle of March, exciting everyday getting closer

[abstract crown]

Uh oh that goes against my strengths lol

[uneven sparrow]

Will the Illuvium zero game initially come out on both Android and iOS or just Android? Any info on that?

[hidden swallow]

both.

[viscid solar]

They tryin get apple approval, but at least browser and PC

[long tendon]

Oooh skill-to-win

[tawny wasp]

What game do y'all think would be most similar to IZ? I used to play Evony a lot. Any thoughts?

[torpid geode]

anybody wanna buy my silv 🙂 need some of that back!

[muted moth]

Yea….no. That stuff is worthless now lol

[torpid geode]

Nah not worthless...just in limbo

[muted moth]

Well it technically is. If you sell that to someone, they can’t use it. It’s a worthless token now. We will be reimbursed with the new token, but not if you bought/sold it after the incident

[torpid geode]

True, haven't bought sold, so I'm good, Just really really need that 20 Silv back in eth for a 3 day play haha

[muted moth]

Yea afraid that’s not gonna happen lol.

[harsh burrow]

Do we have a timeframe ?
The wait is getting long...😫

Bought that silv back in november hoping to by the Land 2 weeks later...😆😫

[muted moth]

Hopefully getting sILV V2 by the end of the month with the land sale occurring not too long after. Maybe early-mid March? Anyways, as soon as this audit gets finished the ball will start to roll a bit faster

[harsh burrow]

Okok thanks 👌😁

[fickle forge]

Guys

Isn’t all lands in illuvium same size?

[muted moth]

Yes, just what is on the land is what differs

[fickle forge]

I saw it somewhere that there will be 3x3 land and 1x1 but I don’t know if it’s true

[fickle forge]

And the location will not be known accept after purchasing the land

[fickle forge]

Is that True

[muted moth]

There is a possibility of if you own either 4 or 9 plots in a square, (they must be touching and in a square, you can't just own 4 seperate plots across the map), that you can merge your lands together into a bigger land called a megacity. Not confirmed yet though. And yes, you will know the location of your land BEFORE you buy it. You can see a picture of the land map and what it will look like to buy a land in the pins in this channel. When buying land you will know its location on the map, its region, and its tier. Everything else is randomly generated on the land after you buy it

[fickle forge]

Oh okay but when will we know how many plots we need to get a mega city

And are all the same tier lands the same price even with different location?

[chrome elm]

Yes

[fickle forge]

It’s a question 😂😂😂

[little moon]

The starting price will be consistent by tier, its a dutch auction so the actual sale price is determined by the market.
From what ive heard mega cities will need to be larger squares (2x2 or 3x3) of adjacent lands. Mega cities arent even 100% confirmed though.

[elder trail]

I remember reading somewhere land sale around mid Feb, so ZERO ready by March sounds about right

[autumn island]

Land sale will be three days and ZERO is ready to come straight after land sale, will be more likely to both be in March if not later.

[weak sedge]

Have they confirmed if the auction will be in the layer 2 to save us gas?

[muted moth]

No. In the recent devblog, Aaron mentioned that they are trying to get it on L2, but if they can't they can't.

[reef echo]

The way I understood it is if they do a L2 it could push the land sale out more. If thats the case keep it on layer 1. I for one have no issue with the current gas fees on L1.. The land is worth so much whats another $50 or even $100 in gas?

[muted moth]

The issue with layer 1 is potential gas wars if the pricing isn’t set right; for example, with the current T1 price at 1/2 an ETH, whales may be comfortable spending another 1/2 an ETH on gas if they value the land at 1 ETH. But if they price the lands high enough we should be ok. Still waiting for a pricing IIP to be released

[viscid solar]

Any confirmation of a Zero Apple client?

[autumn island]

No confirmation yet, better to wait for information from team once it’s ready.

[shrewd kettle]

Can you show post that land sale is in 3 days? I've been looking for this info lol

[little moon]

See the land sale IIP (not yet approved) linked below
#809220563397902346 message

[shrewd kettle]

Thanks!

[vivid cipher]

Not in three days from now. But that it will take 3 days to complete the sale. Just making sure that was clear.

[autumn island]

yep, like pelican said it takes 3 days

[shrewd kettle]

Ahh ok thank for that

[tawny wasp]

How are the regions and tiers set up? Is their Tier 0-5 land of each region?

[lusty estuary]

Can ae currently buy sILV somewhere?

[dusty cobalt]

No it's not possible, and sILV will never be officially purchasable anywhere. The only official way to get sILV is through staking rewards

[lusty estuary]

I know it's not official, just wondering if the token issues were already fixed and if a lp was live on uniswap

[analog inlet]

PSA: DO NOT Buy, Sell or Trade ANY sILV

• sILV v2 release will be announced in #📣〕announcements **(ETA unknown) ** ( if there is nothing new in announcements there have been no updates)
  - Illuvium will NOT be making an official pool for sILV V2.
• sILV2 has no official value outside or use out of the illuvium ecosystem
  -** An unofficial sILV V2 pool is not guaranteed and may not happen right away <--------------**
  -sILV v2 is NOT an official investment and it was never intended to be traded or speculated.

**FYI: Trading sILV v2 will

• be unofficial
• not be supported by the DAO
• be at your own risk
• have inherent risk

DO AT YOUR OWN RISK!**

[sweet void]

what tokens will be accepted in the land sale when it happens? eth and ilv?

[tawny sandal]

eth and silv (v2)

[sweet void]

ok cool so we are good to go if we only have eth

[topaz flax]

do we need to buy tokens to play ?

[marsh sage]

T1-T5 of land in each region

[tawny wasp]

Have they mentioned if they will separate land sale by each region and tier? Or is it just going to be by Tier?

[marsh sage]

It will be a mix across regions and tiers for each of the five land sales

First one will have 20% of all in-game land and they’ve published the breakdown by tier already. They’ve also said all zones being implemented

[tawny wasp]

Thank you sir

[sweet sun]

what is meant by (v2)? What happened to sILV on UniSwap?

Contract: 0x398AeA1c9ceb7dE800284bb399A15e0Efe5A9EC2

[opal thistle]

That token got nuked (check past #📣〕announcements). Do not buy or sell that old sILV it is useless

[empty path]

Not used anymore. Tokens will be replaced

[sweet sun]

Thanks, I will check past announcments.

But which tokens are getting replaced? I had contributed to the LP a while back

[sweet sun]

Useless? Nooooo

[tawny sandal]

silv being replaced with silv v2

[sweet sun]

We have taken two snapshots:

1. Attack block: 13940652
2. Rescue block: 13940833
   If you held the sILV token at the time of the rescue snapshot 13940833, you are entitled to the same amount of the ‘sILV V2’ token. As long as you provided liquidity at block number 13940652, you will receive your ETH/sILV amounts back as ETH and sILV V2. The founding team has decided to personally reimburse all liquidity providers (LPs) at the attack snapshot 13940652, so there will be no loss to the DAO.

[opal thistle]

If you received all your sILV from staking you are fine, don't worry you will get the same amount dropped to you of the new sILV token when it's ready. What is not going to be cover are sILV traded after the announcement of the attack. This is for the unofficial sILV pool formed in Uniswap

[tawny wasp]

What are your plans for the land sale? What region/tiers are you going for?

[terse sable]

How do we participate in the future land sale? How will the ETH be linked to the sale? May we also use ILV? What wallets are supported?

[elder trail]

No ILV, only ETH and sILV. Once v2 is live I’ll stake my ILV for sILV. For land sale will be using ETH probably, not sure if there’s a benefit of using sILV instead.

[terse sable]

If we have not staked, how do we get sILV from the ILV we own now?

How do we link our ETH so we may buy? May we use MEW or do we need metamask, CELO, etc?

will there be a L1 or L2?

[sharp sierra]

Hello When is the beta?

[elder trail]

Don’t know which wallets will be supported. sILV cannot be traded right now until v2 is live. When live, then get staking rewards in sILV and via unsupported LP. NFT trading will be on ImmutableX, not sure if that’ll be true for land sale too. Hopefully!

[terse sable]

thank you

[empty path]

I think they said IMX is not ready for the landsale contracts.

[terse sable]

where is the link that explains iluvian zero from you all? looks at the land and all aspects of Iluvian zero?

[abstract crown]

Think it’s in the pinned messages. It’s like 3rd message up from the bottom

[marsh sage]

I’m undecided at the moment as it will depend on where the prices are landing. That said I’m looking at some combination of T1 and/or T2.

I’m using a general feel of the guide @high sleet put together here: https://youtu.be/pjA8YqeQLrU as a rough guide for demand. And I’ve got some supply side evaluations from what we’ve seen leaked to try to formulate which zones are the most valuable.

I’ll also take a look at if I’m able to get land next to guildies for potential future expansions.

[abstract crown]

I want to buy land in the middle of other peoples guilds then hoping to get bought out for a fortune later on

[marsh sage]

Brian the cunning seems more like it amiright?

[abstract crown]

You knows it

I’m guessing when we buy land it will be with the same account that we use for the main illuvium game. So same like usernames on both. Will I be able to log in to both games at the same time on different computers?

[high sleet]

Ive spoken to whales. None of them are really interested in paying a premium. However there's the very real possibility that a year or so down the road. They announce some extra earning mechanics and megacity benefits for illuvium zero that they are adding. Then maybe things change

[abstract crown]

If that becomes the case rather than buying me out they can add me to the guild 🙂 win win

[high sleet]

Yeah no doubt hahaha

[sweet sun]

#📣〕announcements message

[tropic shard]

Yeah. I tried to get some mobile gamers interested. They laughed once they read the three page iip. I think in a year once the fuel pool equalizes between the council vs lander owners it will be more interesting to actual gamers.

[high sleet]

What are you referring to with the pool?

[tropic shard]

Landowners only get 5% of the fuel production. Remaining 95% is produced by the DAO once it’s mined by landowners. I think it’s far fetched that we will be collecting 250m dollars (what they’re estimating ) for 20% of the total land that will be sold which only produces 5% of the most valuable resource in game.

[analog inlet]

Just clarification you do not sell it to market individual landholder earnings are a stable 5% of total are earing as simply based on what that individual landowner can produce.. So there is no peer - peer sales or any "competition" between landowners for the "best price"

example:

1 landowner only produced 1 unit of fuel to swap to the balancer they get whatever 1 unit is worth in ETH

if another land owner produces 5 units they get whatever 1 unit of fuel is worth when swap to the balancer x5 in ETH

so it really does not matter how many plots of land are active as the DAO produces 95% of the fuel so there will never be a "shortage"

[rugged epoch]

Will we be able to see where the land plot is located, before we buy it at land sale ? Or will we only be able to see the tier of the land plot and not the exact location ? thnks to anyone who takes time to respond.

Was wondering if we could pick the location before we purchase plot.

[vivid cipher]

Yes. We will see the location. And tier.

[heady reef]

Great info 👍🏽

[terse sable]

If we all start playiing for free in Iluvium Zero how do we get to our land if we buy any? For example a tier 2 land? How do we work the land? How do we travel between our land and where we are playing?

[vivid cipher]

The #🎮〕illuvium-zero game is not an RPG like the overworld game is. IZ is a city builder a bot like clash of clans. But without the battles.

You can play IZ for free. Or you can own a land NFT in your account and play it connected to the blockchain and be able to earn.

There’s no traveling around in IZ. That’s the overworld game.

Here’s the leaked gameplay video for IZ. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[terse sable]

So we start out in IZ.... and can play there and start building like in Starcraft..... Where is the land that we own if we buy land.? Is it in IZ orthe Overworld? If the land is in IZ... why buy it... if can build more things over time? Can't we just build more and more over time and make the same thing?

[vivid cipher]

!land is for IZ. No land in the overworld.

[dry forge]

There is no set date for the first land sale. The land sale will be announced in📣│announcements when the date has been confirmed. Illuvium: Zero is a mobile mini-game that will interact with the main game. Illuvium: Zero will be a base building game which will be staged on a piece of land. Paid land will produce Fuel ERC20 tokens and Blueprints which can interact with the main game. There will be 100k plots of paid land in total, and the first land sale will offer 20k of these plots for sale in a dutch auction format. All in-game development on land will be wiped when Illuvium launches. For more information, visit #illuvium-zero .

[vivid cipher]

You should check this and more of the pinned PDFs in this channel. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message There’s a lot of info on IZ. It’s a self contained game that will have economic impacts within the main game.

[terse sable]

ty

[undone phoenix]

Some have sold land for more, without even having an income stream. It’s also a collectible and status symbol. Though the revenue gets a lot of focus, when it ‘pops’ into the picture

[molten cape]

Hello, how the different lands will be, Why there are 3x3 and 1x1 and which will be the price?

[vivid cipher]

Each land site will be 1x1. The idea is that in the future a 3x3 section of 9 lands (or even a 2x2 of 4 lands)
could be used in a special way to offer further upgrades beyond what is possible in just a single land plot.

The price. The Dutch auction style sale will have a bunch of individual nfts go on sale at a high price and overtime that price goes down. When ever someone likes the price they can buy that NFT. And that single item sale is over. Not directly affecting the price of the other sales.

You should read the pins and the proposal linked in there for possible prices.

[little moon]

i know there was talk about early February land sale, where are we at now, and what's the new estimated date for the sale

[shell rose]

March at the earliest. Waiting on sILV and staking v2 first

[left fjord]

Do we know when the mint for land will starts?

[shell rose]

Read one message above ha.

[fickle forge]

Guys where can I find information about illuvitars?

And how will the 5% of revenue will be distributed to landowners ?

[little moon]

Its not a flat 5% to landowners. The goal is for IZ to produce about 5% of the total fuel used in the game. Landowners will sell fuel to a pool for ETH but the price can vary over time and it wont always be 5% over any given length of time. 5% is just the long term goal

[fickle forge]

Honestly didn’t understand

I know landowner mine fuel and 3an sell them But is that what they mean by 5% revenue

I understood it as they will distribute revenue to land owners to their wallets

[little moon]

You misunderstood. Revenue distribution from the vault is only for ILV stakers, not land.

[fickle forge]

Then land owners can generate revenue only by fuel and blue prints nothing more?

[analog inlet]

Just clarification you do not sell it to market individual landholder earnings are a stable "5%" of total are earing as simply based on what that individual landowner can produce.. So there is no peer - peer sales or any "competition" between landowners for the "best price"

example:

1 landowner only produced 1 unit of fuel to swap to the balancer they get whatever 1 unit is worth in ETH

if another land owner produces 5 units they get whatever 1 unit of fuel is worth when swap to the balancer x5 in ETH

so it really does not matter how many plots of land are active as the DAO produces 95% of the fuel so there will never be a "shortage"

Revenue Distribution
Land owners will have the opportunity to earn revenue from players in the main game through novel use of a Balancer multi token Weighted
Pool. They will do so by swapping fuels they generate in game for ETH.

On the other side, players in Illuvium will swap ETH* for fuel, which is used to complete all transactions in the game except for IlluviDEX trading between players.
The target will be for land owners to be able to earn approximately 5% of the total revenue generated from in game purchases in Illuvium.

This is achieved by the Illuvium DAO swapping 19 fuel for every 1 fuel swapped by players of Illuvium: Zero.

[muted moth]

Correct.

[fickle forge]

Shit there is not special advantage 😢

[analog inlet]

0

[muted moth]

Of course not. Illuvium gives special advantages to no one

[fickle forge]

Shouldn’t it have more utility so that lands increase in value

[muted moth]

No. Land will increase in value just by it being rare (NFA). And the small earning capability they have is more than enough. Plus there are only 100k, and by giving a huge advantage to landowners that would make it unfair to those who can't afford it

[analog inlet]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero is a mobile mini game. Its not supposed to have the same earning potenial as the main game .

However there will only be 100 000 ( released in 5 20k sales over the next couple years) active lands in existence that gives them value right there

[fickle forge]

Ik there are only 100k plots but even tho if it doesn’t have much utility it won’t rise in value

[muted moth]

Then don't buy lol

I am not buying land because I think it will increase in value. I am buying because I love games like Illuvium Zero and would love the opportunity to earn a little while playing. And it will also be nice to offset the price of or fully fund my gameplay in the main game.

[analog inlet]

@fickle forge I am not buying because i personally would rather use the money to buy more ILV to stake

[fickle forge]

Yeah I want to get a land because I love illuvium

I was just curious to know the utility behind it. Maybe there could be more utility

[muted moth]

I mean the fuel produced on land will be used for ALL future games that Illuvium makes, so that 5% that landowners are responsible for producing will increase as the number of games increase. So theoretically, we'd be earning more. Personally, I think the fuel-earning and blueprint mechanics are plenty of utility and offer quite a rich game experience

[vivid cipher]

The IZ game could be expanded in the future. But no guarantees. The other stuff is how it will work.

[amber atlas]

you generate both fungible tokens and NFTs which are usable in the Illuvium universe, in the end what more utility can there be?

I mean we can create new features which generate new types of tokens, but at the heart its still the same thing

[lofty bramble]

I think i remember it mentioned that blueprints come from land as well - is that going to be similiar to fuel that some come from the DAO and some from land? Or will blueprints only be supplied by the land holders?

[amber atlas]

blueprints only come from land/IZ

[harsh dew]

Is this building Sediment_Excavators_Prev = Extractor for Carbon ?

[lofty bramble]

So people without land will have to purchase them off landowners on the illuvidex? Appreciate the replies thanks

[late parcel]

do you think a cool use for land would be healing stations for you + illuvials? I heard players must pay/consume resources for healing. or is that OP. and then you could rent out the healing stations.

[lofty bramble]

That'd be cool. And the land owner gets the resources used

[late parcel]

it wouldn't ruin the economy/revenue for illuvium hopefully, since there's limited land plots. just an idea anyway

[terse sable]

Abyssal Basin - Rich in Hydrogen. Water Affinity is commonly seen.
Brightland Steppes - Rich in Carbon. Nature Affinity is commonly seen.
Shardbluff Labyrinth - Rich in Carbon. Earth Affinity is commonly seen.
Crimson Waste - Rich in Silicon. Fire Affinity is commonly seen.
Halcyon Sea - Rich in Hydrogen. Water Affinity is commonly seen.
Taiga Boreal - Rich in Carbon. Air Affinity is commonly seen.
Crystal Shores - Rich in Silicon. Unknown
What Affubuty is commonly seen in Crysto Shores?

[terse sable]

What Affinity is commonly seen in Crystal Shores?

[misty grove]

Is there any official date about the lands presale? Thanks!!

[empty path]

Not yet, is there is it will be in #📣〕announcements

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cnft-nft-wen-when-over-exposed-gif-24787226

[trim loom]

Why would the ILV token go up in value better than land?

[abstract spruce]

Whats going on with land sale are we still just tracking 2H of February? @pallid pythonTeam

No finalized proposal yet correct? just checking in hope the teams doing well! 😺

[empty path]

Staking v2 has priority atm. After that we can have land sale.

[muted moth]

Looking like Mid-March for the sale. Waiting for implementation of Staking V2 before the sale can happen. Don't worry there will be a proposal coming at some point with updates

[abstract spruce]

Hype thanks dude just want to make sure im staying in the loop 🤙

[slow star]

Because of many reasons, one being revenue distribution when game launches. But also you gain rewards (more ILV) when you stake ILV. Land does not have this same utility, however it does provide resources to be used (or sold) in game.

[fallen nymph]

Good question. There are already 2 Water affinities... waiting for the big reveal! 😉

[abstract crown]

Imagine if it’s water. The disappointment…

[fallen nymph]

Yeah, for sure. And I'm pretty sure they won't do that.
It's rich in Silicon, which makes me think of sand... my first impression is Earth, but it could be any of the others.
What would you like Crystal Shores to be?

[vivid cipher]

He didn’t say it that way actually. Since that’s not likely to happen. But the passive return on staked ILV will probably be better than the active ROI for land nfts. IF you are not wanting to SELL your land NFT. Land will have its value in the scarcity of the asset itself. Not as much in the potential for passive income, when compared to staking ILV. At least this continues to be my conclusion every time I run the math. 10m vs 100k. 95% vs 5%. There are of course other variables but they are all based on market factors that can’t be well known. The above numbers are strictly defined.

Crystal shores’ most common affinities are certainly a secret. We will have to wait and see.

[fallen nymph]

We do love to speculate around here, don't we? 😉

[abstract crown]

I havnt really thought about it. But yeah very optimistic it wouldn’t be another water one. I just cannot wait to explore the open world now. Finding secret caves and hopefully catching some holos. It’s going to be sooo good.

[fallen nymph]

Me too. I'm also looking forward to geeking out on the Zero land builds as well.

[cursive walrus]

So what's the order of operations around here these days? We're waiting for the new round of audits so then v2 staking can launch so then land sale can happen. And maybe a delay depending on the choice for an L2 solution.

[vivid cipher]

Sounds right. Here's something infoluvials worked up. Mostly speculation. As you can see its getting a little old. But the order of events is quite accurate

[meager prawn]

we`re in the first half already... no V2

[vivid cipher]

Those are all best case scenarios for the dates. Closed beta stuff may happen before staking stuff. We shall see.

[cursive walrus]

That feels aggressive, but I like it. Thanks.

[open lynx]

Hi... Has land sale launched already?

[vivid cipher]

no. Don't trust anything sent in a DM

Watch #📣〕announcements there will be plenty of notice

[lucid ibex]

You'll know land sales are right around the corner when V2 staking goes live.

[nimble sierra]

Does anyone know what kind of daily minutes / hours is required to maintain the land?

[vivid cipher]

About 30 minutes a day once it's maxed. about 3 months to get to maxed if spending 30 minutes a day. Faster if you spend more time and spend money to speed up building processes. Some of the maxing time depends on your land tier and resources you get.

[nimble sierra]

Thank you! Is more detailed information like this stored anywhere, I've not found it

[vivid cipher]

We try to pin the best leaks from the devs in here. There's a lot. But I just checked and the time I gave is not pinned. It's just what I remember Johnny or Aaron saying.

Simply what I remember. Things may have changed or I could be wrong. But that's probably pretty close

[lofty bramble]

Hmmm that's interesting I'd never thought about it like that (95% vs 5%) - I wonder if that calculation on ROI is still true when only the first 20k lands have been released? (10m vs 20k)...but then again not all 10mil are staked to receive rev dis so may ILV still wins out

[vivid cipher]

That's a good point. But It won't take too long for the remaining land sales I guess. But THAT is a VERY good point. 4x difference. (95% vs 5% will remain true but we'd need to consider it being 20k vs. 7.5m ish tokens eligible for revdis)

[lofty bramble]

Yea - and I guess it will take quite a few months/years until all 7.5mil tokens are unlocked and available to be staked to receive the rev dis? So Land release and token unlocks may roughly match up to keep the original estimation on ROI true

[vivid cipher]

Thats not right. 7.5 mil tokens are currently eligible for revdis.

ALL team, seed, treasury, vesting tokens are all staked for revdis. They just aren't all staked for YF

[lofty bramble]

Ooo wasn't aware of that, thanks.

[vivid cipher]

The only tokens that aren't eligible for revdis are the rewards still be distributed and claimed/vested and the tokens on the market that aren't staked.

[lofty bramble]

Hmm I wonder why they didn't make the rewards pool eligible for rev dis. Could mean that it keeps getting topped up for more rewards in the future

[vivid cipher]

Probably because most of the rewards pool haven't been minted or claimed/vested. Maybe also because the DAO will need to get by using the Treasury revdis so why have it be getting extra revdis at the start and then take it away, could lead to cutbacks instead of ongoing rampups. But really that's could be an intriguing idea.

[lofty bramble]

Yea good point. Can't wait to see rev dis in action, madness to think it goes back to the ILV holders 100%. Hopefully the illuvium model sets the standard for future game companies in the space

[distant gale]

any updates on when aprox the land sale will be ?

[vivid cipher]

Nope not yet. Sometime after v2 staking is ready to go. #📣〕announcements is the place to keep up to date on that stuff.

[hollow sage]

hey guys can u help me where can i know as much as i just can about the lands that coming out what are they good for etc.

[vivid cipher]

Read all of the pinned messages especially the PDFs that are from the game designers. Start at the oldest pinned message. There’s a lot of info.

[terse peak]

I really hope the landsale doesn't end up like the fancy birds public sale earlier today. That was a mess

[late parcel]

what happened?

[terse peak]

The remaining 2000ish birds for public sale was sold out in seconds. It was a gas war even on polygon and I believe most were bots. Hate them bots. Those who got on the WL and minted then we're the blessed ones who did not have to go through this.

[late parcel]

since the WL birds were going for well above the public mint price, you can expect bots for sure. sorry to hear. I guess only way to avoid is KYC the public sale or something xd

[terse peak]

Yeah.. it's selling quite high above the mint price. I mean expected the bots but I was quite annoyed coz I had to wake up early in the morning, buy some matic, send to my mm, then bridge my ETH to polygon mainnet. Quite a number of steps and couldn't even get a single bird. Really no idea how to prevent bots. Maybe kyc or some captcha thing. Who knows😅

[vivid cipher]

Dutch auction of every single land nft. A sale that lasts for 3 days. The team has a good plan.

[terse peak]

Yeap.. I'm aware of the Dutch auction. But still not convinced by the Dutch auctions that happened on other projects so far. I guess we will see. I have faith that the team knows what is best.

[timber hemlock]

Hello!!Any info on illuvium land sale?

[fair temple]

They also say that higher tier lands are maxed out quicker than lower tier lands.
So that could be something to add along with the 3 month time period :)) im personally excited to see the time necessary to max a T3 compared to a T1. Would it be 9x as fast as the maximum production is roughly 9x as high? (Every tier having a 3X compared to the lower one?)

[prisma horizon]

Waiting for the beta

[dire tiger]

seem like no one said it today yet. so..
Wen land?

[loud gazelle]

https://c.tenor.com/HBr3xjGPM8oAAAAM/when-wen.gif

[primal widget]

Land Sale - estimated: early-mid March

[harsh dew]

What stage is the Nexus building on this Metropolis ? 2-3 ?

[little moon]

looks like 4-5

[placid musk]

Do claimed rewards who are still in vesting period receive revdis?

[placid musk]

@cosmic aspen this one for you too then 😳

[cosmic aspen]

yes

[placid musk]

Good man

[abstract crown]

Do they get it at the 2 weighting?

[cosmic aspen]

yes

[abstract crown]

Oh well that’s even better then. Thanks informative and straight to the point!

[boreal barn]

when are we getting reimbursed for the Silv that’s now worthless

[empty path]

Soon

[steep geyser]

Staking V2 should be ready by end of Feb.

[high sleet]

Hey everyone quick reminder I am going live with kieran in a few minutes #🎨〕community-content

Got lots of land questions lined up 😛

[viscid solar]

LOTS OF INFO in Kieran X Scoriox YouTube interview just now! #🎨〕community-content

[lofty cape]

Just waiting for it 😂

[pure mason]

No one knows. They are still holding our money hostage

[pure mason]

Of 2023. Lol

[boreal sparrow]

right lol

[little moon]

Itll be before the land sale. Theres no real need for it to be released sooner since thats the first use case for sILV.

[molten cape]

Source?

[primal widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PWR0wWrbLA&t=5534s

[low quiver]

Do we have an idea of how the 5% rev dist for land owners will be distributed amongst the 20000( or whatever the number of lands released at the time).. are all the lands weighted the same or will higher tier have higher yield weight %

[distant lodge]

good question ...

[frozen bough]

It depends on how much fuel you sell into the Pool. So yeah, higher tier have more fuel sides --> they can sell more ;)

[low quiver]

Any good videos on this? still a bit confused on how it all works

[harsh dew]

Anyone can identify some of those buildings ?

[simple juniper]

So i dont believe that the land owners actually get 5% rev dis. What they were trying to say is 5% of the gas that is being sent out and sold to travel will be given from the land owners. Meaning every 1 fuel that a land owner sells into the pool the team then sells 19 into the pool (19 +1 = 20) and 1 is 5% of 20

[viscid bolt]

That was my understanding, too

[potent dock]

All land, total, produces 5% of Fuel. This will be approximately 5% of sustained revenue when the game launches (ignoring stuff like Illuvitars/Land Sales).

Your earnings from land are based on how much Fuel the plot produces (and you do have to produce and sell Fuel to realize a profit). Higher tier plots produce more Fuel, and thus you would earn more.

[lofty bramble]

Curious what happens to land if you buy/sell it in regards to ILVzero? If I sell my land do they pick up from where I left off on ILVzero?

[potent dock]

I know two possibilities were discussed (land wipes -OR- land retains structures). Both have some interesting implications, I'm not sure what got decided on though. AFAIK land wipes on sale though.

[lofty bramble]

Sweet good to know

[civic quartz]

what up

[viscid solar]

I’m last house on the left 💁🏼‍♀️

[viscid solar]

I thought latest was land retain buildings on sale

[abstract crown]

Yeah last I heard the land wipes and you start fresh on it

[hollow sage]

hey guys, the lands which we will can buy will be for illuvium zero or for triplaA illuvium game?

[abstract crown]

All the lands are illuvium zero. It’s a separate mini game. But the land can generate you fuel which you can use in the main game or just sell if you want

[left musk]

Can i also buy from my Metamask Ledger the land ?

[ivory bough]

Yeah you can buy using MM-Ledger wallet

watch out for DMs they are all scams

[subtle obsidian]

Is the mini-game now live and playable?

[ivory bough]

Nothing is live now

[harsh dew]

Any idea of the names and utility of those buildings ? Cmon!

[left musk]

Ty bro💯

[bitter glade]

I know.

[undone phoenix]

Teasing

[harsh dew]

Can you leaks some of them ? I'm on a quest for the greater good of the community.

[fallen nymph]

I think 3 is a Curiosifizing Transmogrification Unit, and 7 is a Puzzlic Unifactorizator and I think 8 is a Neuronal Discombobulator. I'm not sure about the rest.

[harsh dew]

Where you get those names from ?

[marsh sage]

I think the answer is NSFW…😂

[bitter glade]

No.

[harsh dew]

How to waste time....

[warm moat]

Hi, 6weeks from sILV hack, still no progress?

[reef echo]

Check out the updates like the AMA where they say they are on external audit, which I believe is the last one, before V2 comes out. So if everything goes smooth, around the beginning of march. If they find something maybe the middle of march. No hard date thought but its gonna happen

[fallen nymph]

Hahaha from a crazy brain

[hollow sage]

are they generate any other stuff? Or just fuel? Every land will generate fuel?

[little moon]

What makes you think there has been no progress?

[primal widget]

also crafting resources and blueprints to craft skins

[hollow sage]

i heard that there will shards so you mean crafting resources for that too? And what if someone catch and illuvio at my land? Is it possible?

[primal widget]

you can only catch illuvials in the main game and also the shards are going to be mined in the overworld of the maingame

[mystic solstice]

Any updates on when the land sale could possibly take place?

[little moon]

Should be some time next month unless there are unexpected delays with V2 staking.

[distant lotus]

ur liz is awesome btw

[amber atlas]

1 and 2 - > Singularity Scanner I
3 and 4 -> Power Station I and Power station II
5 -> Engineering Workshop II

Most of the others are old designs and no longer in the game

Here's a frustratingly zoomed out view of the tech tree (as seen in the games custom editor)

😉

Data Bank image not in there as its just been re-worked

these are all the Level I buildings which don't cost Fuel

(some values might change but getting pretty close to final now)

[amber atlas]

😮

[autumn island]

most important channel here

[vivid cipher]

Oh dear. I’ll look back and start pruning.

[autumn island]

I am not sure which to unpin

[amber atlas]

initial announcement...

maybe some of the images

[vivid cipher]

On my phone im unable to unpin

Some app bug maybe.

[autumn island]

I can see some unpin happening

[amber atlas]

I removed a couple of the older posts that are not that relevant any more

[autumn island]

oh, so it's not unpin, it's deleting

[amber atlas]

oh it deletes the message?

[vivid cipher]

The bottom two docs are in this one post. Efficient

There used to be a way to be able to unpin

But right now just delete is the option. Very crappy.

[autumn island]

I thought you said remove and meant delete. Never mind

[amber atlas]

no, unpinned

although it is effectively deleting given you would have to scroll for a long time to find it 😉

[vivid cipher]

While I am a fan of this document. It could be unpinned if needed.

[amber atlas]

I'll leave the rest to you guys

I unpinned a few to make a bit of space

on desktop client unpin seems to work as you would expect

[vivid cipher]

Oh! Here’s a work around. We could make a new message that had a bunch of the old less relevant pins linked in there. And pin that single post.

[amber atlas]

sounds like a good idea

in any case I need to run (or at least leave at a stately pace)

ciao

(don't tell Grant I dropped image with bad quality)

its so we don't lose the wow factor of all those buildings in full res, animated and with particle effects

all very intentional I swear

[primal widget]

Thanks man! He appreciates the flattering! Urs is pretty steezy too!

[crystal smelt]

Hi,
Is there any beta available ?

[little moon]

You can apply for the closed beta on the website. Open beta will hopefully be some time in april.

[crystal smelt]

There is a closed beta on illuvium 0 ? I already applied to the beta of Illuvium « normal »

[pure mason]

Next year at this rate

[silver snow]

Equipment forging

[balmy ruin]

is tier 3 worth it? Or should buy multiple tier 1 lands?

[tranquil rampart]

Can anyone explain whats the difference between "element landmarks" and "fuel landmarks"?

[muted moth]

Element landmarks boost production and conversion for elements(hydrogen, silicon, carbon), while fuel landmarks boost production and conversion for fuels (solon, crypton, hyperion)

[mint geyser]

Most of the people in this discord are from the United States or ?

[empty path]

Don’t think so

[queen folio]

Alllll over the world, really 🙂

[worn crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/kate-mckinnon-where-in-the-world-is-kellyanne-conway-snl-idk-gif-9335257

[rain tree]

Can blueprints only be found by land owners?
or can they also be found in main game?

[copper falcon]

Only scanning on a land from IZ

[rain tree]

what about on the free tier 0 ones?

[copper falcon]

hmm, i am sure you can't convert them to something valuable on tier 0, but don't know details

so buy at least t1

[little moon]

The blueprints for the base items (no skin) are all public. You only need the IZ blueprints for making a skinned version of the item.

[rain tree]

so the 'skins' blueprints can only be originally found from paid land T1-T5?

[little moon]

Yeah, the T0 land is just for fun, its not connected to the blockchain at all.

[rain tree]

Okay, makes sense.
And then what about when you craft a blueprint.
Are you selling the blueprint or just the skin from the blueprint?

[little moon]

You need to own the blueprint to craft the skin. So it makes the skinned item but you keep the blueprint and can use it multiple times.

You can also sell the blueprint instead since its a NFT as well

[rain tree]

Okay, thanks makes sense.
Pretty fucking sweet

[little moon]

Kieran posted this yesterday if you want to be confused again.

#💬〕general message

[rain tree]

Thanks. Okay, that makes sense.
So in a completely unrealistic world, if every land owner never sold a blueprint, then the only way anyone in the main game could craft a skin was from buying it from the land owner.
Definitely makes buying land a way bigger deal, even if its a T1

[terse sable]

Isn't it true that once the landowner crafts the skin and the weapon/armor then the "bluepritnt" recipe is released to the game so ohters can then make them?

[little moon]

Nope.

[amber atlas]

sorry if that post is hard to follow, it was just rough notes for Kieran, didn't intend it to be a public post 🙂

(scanning above it looks like everything the community members ares saying is right ... 👏 )

[shell heart]

any update on when land sell will be

[muted moth]

Soon after Staking V2 launch. Seems like it will be around March-April. Hopefully on the March side of that date range

[shell heart]

ok thanks

[fleet pumice]

Man what happened? How can land sale go from dec to march-april

This audit must be of the entire crypto market of australia

[pure mason]

Maybe it’s a scam/rug pull?

[empty path]

Land sale was delayed because staking v2 became priority.
With this came the sILV issue and so they are making sure the new contract is bullet proof.

[vivid cipher]

Just 3+ audits of a protocol with between 1billion and 6billion riding on it. What happens next? We get to wait and see and help guide.

[pseudo orchid]

I'd rather they take extra time to make an air tight contract, another hack would mean we all lose a lot of money.

[viscid solar]

Exactly ✨💯✨

[high sleet]

Hey everyone I just threw my new video in #🎨〕community-content if u were curious as to if you could use land to play the paid part of the game

[gusty aurora]

Sorry for jumping in, any updates on the lost sILV situation?when and how will it be returned to us? Since it happened I have been off of discord and haven’t kept track of the whole drama. Man I have bought 10k worth of sILV in October in readiness for the initial land sale and it all went shambles. I’m so frustrated that as soon as I get my sILV back I’m out of the whole ILV soap opera!

[empty path]

In last AMA Kieran said there might be an update next week

[gusty aurora]

Thanks! It is just dragging for too long now..

[empty path]

It's normal, contract audits take time.

[gusty aurora]

It’s understandable to some extent but from our position, the ones we put money and hope in it, it can get very frustrating

[empty path]

I understand that it is frustrating but imagine how you (or other people) would feel if this happens again because they rushed this.

[analog inlet]

PSA: DO NOT Buy, Sell or Trade ANY sILV

• sILV v2 release will be announced in #📣〕announcements ( if there is nothing new in announcements there have been no updates)
  - Illuvium will NOT be making an official pool for sILV V2.
• sILV2 has no official value outside or use out of the illuvium ecosystem
  - An unofficial sILV V2 pool is not guaranteed and may not happen right away <--------------
  -sILV v2 is NOT an official investment and it was never intended to be traded or speculated.

**FYI: Trading sILV v2 will

• be unofficial
• not be supported by the DAO
• be at your own risk
• have inherent risk

DO AT YOUR OWN RISK **

[cyan dew]

when is the landsale?

[reef echo]

no date yet

[deft tulip]

what is a ledger wallet?

[lofty bramble]

Hardware wallet / cold storage. A way to hold your crypto keys offline and is seen as a more secure form of "storage" for your crypto over using hot wallets such as web browser or app wallets

It's a physical device that looks like a USB/thumb drive

[deft tulip]

That does really exist , where can i get one bro?

[analog inlet]

ledger.com only buy direct form manufacture NEVER buy from a third party including andespecially not amazon and ebay

[loud gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[harsh dew]

They are working on a video right now. Have you notice the tranquillity on discord ?

[willow torrent]

Zoom out my friend. If you are in this project for the quick gains you aren't looking at the potential of illuvium the studio and it's DAO. We all want the products but when personal skin is in it, you want them to do all the due diligence for your sake.

[quaint prism]

Are there any definitive docs or posts that explain the utility of non-fuel Land resources?

[little moon]

Do we know when the land sale is going to be

[vivid cipher]

Check the pins.

[deft tulip]

I can also use normal metamask wallet right, the extension at web ?

[analog inlet]

yep ledger.com/academy/security/the-safest-way-to-use-metamask

[tranquil rampart]

Will Illuvium Zero be playable on Bluestacks?

[muted moth]

Wasn't sure what bluestacks was so googled it. Looks like a way to play mobile games on PC. This won't be necessary since the team will be releasing a browser version of IZ as well, so you'll be able to play on PC without having to use any third party software

[tranquil rampart]

Ok nice, thanks for the info

[little moon]

with the growing popularity, what do you think is going to be the lowest cost for a tier 1 land

[tawny sandal]

Will the mobile version support hardware wallets that don't have mobile support (e.g., Trezor)? Can I link my wallet on the desktop version and then play the mobile version, for example?

[muted moth]

Should be able to yes. Though probably the transactions would have to be done on the desktop version since you have to be able to approve transactions.

[muted moth]

Who knows? Really hard to tell. Kind of depends on the new starting prices as well

[little moon]

got it, do we know when the sale is estimated to happen?

[muted moth]

Seems like sometime in March. Basically, as soon as possible after Staking V2 is implemented. So hopefully in March

[loud gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-wen-naru-yummi-yummi-universe-gif-23030317

[stable bolt]

Hi guys! I know you probably had this question a lot but I’m new here but a fan of the game and the zero version. Do you know the land sale date yet? Thanks! ❤️

[muted moth]

Not yet no. Seems likely to be sometime in March, but it heavily relies on when Staking V2 is live.

[stable bolt]

Thank you!

[small pier]

Thank you Kyriff aka Halcyon Sea Lord @muted moth

[dry hawk]

Do you have as much as chance to get a skin blueprint in T1 as you do in T5?

[high sleet]

Hey @amber atlas you seem to have a good understanding of your ILVZ. How often do you think blueprints might be created?? Eg if I owned T1 do you reckon I'd make 1 new blueprint every week? Start to finish? Research through to crafting the cosmetic item

[vivid cipher]

This is what you want to check. But the answer is yes, as long as the land has been upgraded to the point of being able to scan and research then the tier of the blueprint is just random. There’s further conversation following the post. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[amber atlas]

crafting the cosmetic item is something that happens in the main game using items for the main game, so that doesn't make a lot of sense

for sure you would be getting more than 1 BP a week if you were constantly doing research

you can also run multiple research labs (Materials Lab)

we haven't finalised the exact success curve, and it will be tweaked between alpha and beta releases (unless somehow we get it perfect first try)... but keeping in mind you get better at research as you do more of it, I would expect you would get a few BP per Material Lab per week once maxed

noting that it will (very slowly) get harder to find them ... but I imagine even with multiple Material Labs this wouldn't really noticeable (by the time your number of discovered Blueprints is high enough to have more than a negligible effect we are probably on to a new set)

[high sleet]

Okay this brings up 2 more questions. Thanks for your response though :)

Firstly so you can never craft cosmetics in ILVZ? you will send the recipe to the main game and hold it as an nft there? Or I guess if the wallet is shared.

Secondly if I discover Santa rhamphyre everyone else can as well? Is it discovered once period or just on a bonding curve like illuvials?

[amber atlas]

1. in IZ you have to upload the Blueprint which is in real world minting the NFT and adding to your wallet, the server stores details of the Blueprints you have discovered separate to the NFT... so you can't get the same things twice, even if you sell the NFT, go to a new piece of land, etc (of course you can run multiple accounts, but that's a different story)

2. currently it is a not a bonding curve, so one person discovering something doesn't effect the chances of someone else discovering it, but the exact curve is not locked in

[high sleet]

I see so since you cannot discover it twice eventually every landowner gets every nft. However if you weren't fast enough and the set ends they are locked out forever

[amber atlas]

there are many thousands of skins, and a set lasts (probably) 1 year... so even if you get 10 per day (which you don't) you still don't get them all

you also don't get more chance of getting an NFT as you discover others, you just fail more (offset by the fact that you get better at research)

the curve is sort of like this:

at the start you get better at research so you rapidly increase your chances of getting a Blueprint, but over time as you get more and more Blueprints your chances slowly go down

[viscid solar]

So, timing is everything, and being early has its “benefits”.

[high sleet]

Thanks heaps johnny that clears a lot up! So much demand for blueprint videos on the channel hahaha

[viscid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-panther-pinkprint-nicki-minaj-blueprint-gif-12085833

[high sleet]

Apologies I will ask it here to remove the clutter from general which is more constant

@amber atlas I've almost wrapped my head around it. One last question. It is mentioned here that fuels + 3 Archie + blueprint + bladed shield II. Then Kieran mentions the blueprint is not burned.

Can you please clarify blueprint and bladed shield II and which is and isn't burned and what not

[high sleet]

Wait I think I've figured it out. Now just confirming that blueprint weapon/armour skins do not augment statistics or anything and are purely cosmetic?

[amber atlas]

Blueprint + Fuel + Archie Skin + Bladed Shield II => Archies Bladed Shield II ... everything except the Blueprint is burned ...

... it may be possible to reverse this, I don't think @bitter glade has finalised the decision here, but the idea would be that you can take apart Archies Bladed Shield II , it would csot you Fuel to do this, you would not get the Fuel from either side back:

Archies Bladed Shield II+ Fuel => Archie Skin + Bladed Shield II

I don't think the Archie Skin would be reversable (Illuvial sinks are good)

but this definitely needs confirmation from Aaron, these are some ideas we have talked about, but I don't think any of it is final

[amber atlas]

skins are cosmetic

[fair temple]

This got me curious, would the shield's entire tech tree be given an Archies skin when you give the first weapon of the tree a skin? Similar to how Monster hunter has different sword trees?
Or is it rather that you skin a certain weapon, and it is locked like that. It can't be upgraded. In the last case it would be good to be able to reverse the skinning or you will be left with a cute looking but worthless piece of equipment once the game introduces stronger weapons.

[amber atlas]

you are skinning a very specific instance

but its not neccessarily bad to force people to make hard decisions, if the top tier of weapons in the game are worth huge amounts of money (not a price prediction 😉 ), many players might have to settle for a tier or two below 'best'... and if you are going to wield a weapon for 6 months, maybe you do bother with skinning it, even if you can't reverse it

(not to mention just because something is best in power level doesn't mean it is best in looks)

[fair temple]

In this case the trade-off could be between whether we want the fuel + skin costs to be farmed by the players. Or that the armor production costs are farmed.

Eager to see what you guys work out :) I personally dont think it will matter much as the costs would be similar.
Resources + blueprint + fuel -> skins
Or
Resources + fuel -> armor.
Either you spend time skinning once and then building a new armor, or you skin multiple times, every time that you come back to using this specific armor.

Since the requirements will be quite similar, the niche of the skin could be the deciding factor.

What i just now thought up:
If you can not change the equipments back after skinning them, there will be a limiting factor to the amount of skins that would need to be produced. As there would be no need for a skin once everyone has that specific one. In this case, limiting the blueprint use would be interesting to give the skins some sort of limited collectibility. (E.g. bonding curve)

If you however can return them to their original form then it just becomes something of a fun sidegig, where once you are stuck at a certain tier of equipment you just skin it which requires a blueprint. and once you skinned it, you sell the blueprint, as you dont need it anymore. If you then reverse and end up wanting the skin again, you might want the blueprint back. In this case you can leave the blueprint at infinite uses as the playerbase could constantly trade it around whimsically.

But with this second approach, to make players reverse rather than just make a whole new equipment, the costs of making a skin would have to be reduced, or the production of armors should be that much higher.

Idk sounds like balancing things :) im not sure about any of that and i might have made some silly thought errors.
Like i said, im looking forward to either of them, as they both seem viable in their own way.

Sorry im always super long-winded. 😩

[harsh dew]

Are those information correct ? if yes.... image 2 building has changed ?

[latent kiln]

we already know when is the sale ?

[empty path]

No, we hope it will be next month. Keep an eye on #📣〕announcements

[latent kiln]

thanks

[sage inlet]

Soon.

[cyan dew]

😩 🔥

[sage inlet]

Alpha first, beta second, then release. It's going to be good.

😆

That land sale...

[cyan dew]

I am so hyped

[sage inlet]

Also.

[cyan dew]

Will wait for my SILV V2 💯

[sage inlet]

The team have been working hard on alpha this week - so much of it working so well. Really happy.

[cyan dew]

This will be huge!!

[sage inlet]

We're delighted - but we're here to make you happy, too

[cyan dew]

Only if you look at the hard work behind the team you are already confident.

This models are so great and it will be for sure one of the biggest blockchain eth games

[sage inlet]

Incredibly confident. So many good people working very hard.

[empty path]

Getting hyped reading this 😄

[sage inlet]

I have never worked harder.

[simple juniper]

That’s good news

[sage inlet]

A strong team with a lot of good people, everyone working hard - and Johnny directing... Yeah. This is going to work out just fine.

[sage inlet]

You getting away from me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC2dRkm8ATU

If that breaks, we looking at: The Chemical Brothers - Wide Open ft. Beck (Official Music Video)

It's getting away from me...

❤️

[amber atlas]

that's called "we don't have an image for the singularity scanner yet, so lets use something else that looks cool"

the zero point transducer is a teleporter and was always that second image 😉

[amber atlas]

"If you can not change the equipments back after skinning them, there will be a limiting factor to the amount of skins that would need to be produced" -> this is why skins will very likely not be reversible, creating a skin is an item sink,
but the skinned items themselves is another matter (and likely will be reversible)... but again not until Aaron confirms 😉

[vivid cipher]

@quiet trail if you are serious about the land you’ll be most interested in the pdf documents from the team that we’ve pinned. But anything from johnnyA is fantastic. Best leaks on the server.

[harsh dew]

But did not you said that?#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[amber atlas]

I was referring to the image from the video made many months ago

all art is done now

[harsh dew]

10-4

[vivid cipher]

Maybe I’ll pin this. Lol not really.

[amber atlas]

(well I mean artists like to change stuff, but we have all structures, backgrounds, animations, Illuvial holographs, UI, icons, splash screens, etc)

[late parcel]

having to play IZ on each piece of land is a big whale deterrent/scholarship material

[amber atlas]

that like saying having to explore the Overworld is a big whale deterrent... it may technically be true, some people might just like to put in money and get resources with various random chances... but we are building games, so people... you know... play the game

the DeFi aspect of Illuvium (e.g. Staking) is for those who aren't interested in playing games

[late parcel]

I was just commenting on the logistics of owning tens or hundreds of land and playing IZ on each one independently. The logistics get out of hand, esp for whales who typically value their time higher. And not doing so would greatly reduce the output. Yeah, seems like whales are better off owning ILV or getting scholars.

Whale is a loaded term but I just use it as description. It's good that there are tradeoffs built in to accommodate different kinds of players.

[vivid cipher]

All the more reason for whales to pay out the nose for t5

[amber atlas]

for sure it is a valid point, just putting out our rationale, the game is deep enough that you couldn't do many actions in bulk, and I think its a good thing to encourage a large number of owners rather than consolidating in the hands of a small group of land barons 🙂

[amber atlas]

plus this 😉

[late parcel]

Really looking forwards to the game 🙂 IZ and Illuvium Overworld + Arena

[sterile bough]

much appreciated!

[sterile bough]

much appreciated!

[simple juniper]

did you mean to say this twice?

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-misspiggy-gif-22107452

[long tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-all-might-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-mha-gif-16557252

[hearty cradle]

i will mow your lands for fuel

[sterile bough]

Oops

[sharp gate]

Hey did the land sale happened already?

[wild falcon]

where can i find all the information about lands?

[ivory vine]

No it did not 🙂

[wild falcon]

Don't really understand , sorry guys. lands are in a different game?

[ivory bough]

Land belongs to Illuvium Zero AKA a mini-game that is not in any way mini anymore lol

[wild falcon]

ok thank you, but what do you exactly mean by mini game?? items from the mini game can be used in the main game? and viceversa?

[ivory bough]

Not all of it. You don't need land if you wanna play the main game. Make sure you read the pinned messages

[sharp gate]

Any idea when is the la d sale happening?