🎮〕illuvium-zero

[swift condor]

so what have i missed today?

[ivory bough]

you can still use that sILV later in the game or buy Illuvatars or (probably) merchs. Though yeah, you need a plan. Ending up with too much sILV is bad for your health 😄

[ivory bough]

nothing really. A quiet day.

[subtle shell]

Good question. If you're looking at all of today's posts, you can think about it for the next 30 minutes. 😉

[copper inlet]

merch 😍

[subtle shell]

Well, when I look at the good glass of wine here, I think that my health can still handle a lot.🍷

[copper inlet]

i'm totally down for some good mouse with ILV logo xD with some cashback cuz revdis ^^

[swift condor]

done i was testing the community before i sent a message

[ivory bough]

You made me feel unhealthy

[subtle shell]

😛

[agile sigil]

I thought my 6 sILV whould take me to 2 tier land, now i have doubts about tier 1 ^^

[ivory bough]

All speculation. You might even buy a T3 if it dropped that low 😄

[limpid terrace]

Also, don't forget that there will be a total of 20k plots for sale (mixed tiers) and the 10-100 people that actively chat here may not be a good representation of the financial position of the majority (that are looking to buy land). So it's kinda hard to judge those things

[agile sigil]

True that Arash and Axelator. We will se how it goes. i think the price will increase when were there. from now it seems like the auction will be end of november if we just guession 6 weeks

[ivory bough]

For now the trailer takes precedence. So, yeah, the WHEN in November is not clear yet

[spiral sail]

me need land 😦

me get land 🙂

Is it to late to stake even tho I want to buy land?

[ivory bough]

never too late to stake until it's too late. Staking will be live like forever, (YF for about 2/5 years). That's a question for #🥩〕staking not Zero 🙂

[spiral sail]

ty

[little moon]

Do you guys think 2000$ will be enough for me to buy land?

[muted moth]

Maybe? If you have 2k in sILV that probably ups your chances, but there is really no telling. Imo, 2k is right on the edge of either you won’t or you will. You should be able to get a better idea once they release for land sale info

[mystic harbor]

Many of us are kind of expecting a land rush to happen quickly and feverishly. But reality is, it may start on the expensive side and take many many weeks to drop down to realistic 'purchaseble' values

*Purchase-able? Heh

[twin atlas]

hey fam

[little moon]

Im sure the rate of decay for the price will be fast enough that it wont take that long. Probably would hit 0 within a week if nobody bought.

[twin atlas]

Is it confirmed 100% that sILV can be used for land at same price as ILV or still need to go through governance proposal?

[potent dock]

100% confirmed sILV can be used in the land sale, and it is pegged to the price of ILV.

[twin atlas]

Thank you sir

[mystic harbor]

Could quite be true but do you really think the natural price decay would all be settled within just one week?
Demand seems high but initial sticker shock could cause many to take a step back and analyze the first week or two of sales before snatching things up

[little moon]

Well if I recall correctly they were planning on selling the lands in smaller groups, not starting all 20k at once. So if it took longer than a couple days the land sale would drag out for months. I dont think thats the objective.

[severe karma]

It's gonna be fast and furious baby get your hands ready

[mystic harbor]

How has Star Atlas land/ship sale go? Comparatively to what informed ppl here would expect? I have 0 experience here, trying to learn

[little moon]

That would probably be a question for the star atlas discord.

[mystic harbor]

Right, but just drawing parallels if anyone knew

[severe karma]

There was some drama with it.

I dont remember exactly but I think some whales were buying it up or people got stuck on the site trying to buy but some others were able to bypass it and by directly because they were more savvy

I could also be making that up

[umbral abyss]

Hello. What is the best place to check sILV price?

[merry sand]

Probably uniswap

[soft yoke]

Hey I found out about illuvium yesterday. I’m wondering if I need $ilv to buy land

[long lantern]

$sILV and $ETH can be used only in the land sale

[soft yoke]

Makes sense. Thanks

[vivid cipher]

ILV and sILV are not the same token.

[soft yoke]

Yea I assume it was a typo

Also, any idea how much it will cost to play the game?

[humble ether]

it's not a typo. they're two different tokens. $sILV can be used to buy land. $ILV cannot.

[exotic valley]

There is free to play but you don't actually make income unless you actually buy land.. In illuvium:zero, the mobile land farming game

[soft yoke]

Ohh thanks for the clarification

[vivid cipher]

!ilv

[dry forge]

ILV is not needed for gameplay in any way. Instead it has three main functions:

Governance:
Together, we have the power to shape the future of Illuvium through our community collaboration on game improvement proposals as well as electing the initial model of governance, the Illuvinati Council.

Liquidity Mining:
Here, you will gain more ILV (or sILV). Additional ILV will increase your voting power in governance & increase your share of vault distributions.

Vault Distributions:
When you stake ILV, you share in Illuvium's success and earn a passive income of additional ILV, funded through in-game purchases and fees. Vault distributions will only be available from sales and once the game and Illuvidex are launched.

For further details please read:
https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be
https://medium.com/illuvium/28-everything-you-need-to-know-about-staking-ilv-6669594b2fac
https://medium.com/illuvium/29-governance-yield-farming-and-vault-distribution-faq-7327ae7eb507

[vivid cipher]

!silv

[dry forge]

sILV is a substitute currency that can only be gained as yield when staking ILV. In game, it can be used to pay for any fee (excluding IlluviDEX trades and Leviathan Arena wagers) that otherwise would be paid for with the main currency ETH. The value of sILV in the game - and for possible sales where sILV is allowed - will be equal to the value of ILV.

While claimed staking rewards in the form of ILV are locked for 12 months, sILV offers the opportunity to liquidate your staking rewards immediately. The tradeoff for that is that sILV only can be used in-game and does not provide compounding in any form.

[exotic valley]

In the main game you might make some money in the free to play catching and selling illuvials, then spend that to go into the paid areas to get bigger and better gains

[vivid cipher]

!f2p

[dry forge]

You begin our game with a free-to-play experience that immerses you in our richly-detailed world, lets you enjoy some action, and helps you understand how the game works. The free-to-play experience of the Tier 0 regions will familiarize you with Illuvium, and won’t feel like an “abridged” version of the game. It is a full-fledged gameplay experience! If you like it, you can then decide to opt in to the paid experience, start collecting NFTs from higher tiered regions, and delve into deeper adventures to explore the mysteries of the game where the NFTs you gather start to hold more value as well.

Just after game launch, when everyone starts fresh, you might even be able to sell free Tier 0 NFTs on the IlluviDEX for ETH, but there is no guarantee for that.

[vivid cipher]

Even the #🎮〕illuvium-zero game you are in the channel for will have a free to play option. You just won’t be able earn when playing for free in illuvium zero.

[soft yoke]

Thanks for the information guys

Any idea of what one piece of land will go for?

[vivid cipher]

Not really. 1k to 10m depending on tier is what some of us say.

[soft yoke]

Hmmm interesting

[vivid cipher]

You could play around with this sheet to make some estimates https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mjxD-MjO4eSG8IKTRewCzWbv6cYt1BVwFV276HyJPHA/edit#gid=0

[hot canyon]

guys, any info on when the sale will be

[slim flint]

6 weeks from now was a leak a couple of days ago. but nothing official yet

[hot canyon]

ty!!!!

[slim flint]

So we know that the T1 will have 3 Element sites and a T2 will have 6. My question is, does a T1 site produce the same amount as a T2 site?

[fallow igloo]

If you are referring to the sites themselves, no. All sites produce at the same rate. However with more sites you are able to “produce” more and upgrade faster.

[slim flint]

If that is the case based on the price speculations I've seen it looks like a way better deal to get 2x T3 than 1x T4 or 3x T2 than 1x T3.

Guess it does depend on how much that landmark helps though. But just the number of sites per dollar it looks better value for money.

[fallow igloo]

Yeah the landmarks will definitely be a factor for that and it depends on what kind of sites you get. The more options you have the more self sufficient you are and the faster you can build your land up

[slim flint]

And another question. If I have 5x lands. Do I manage them on one account and do these lands share resources?

[fallow igloo]

They said that as of rn you can’t share resources for lands and I believe you’ll be able to pick between what lands you want to actively manage in the app

[molten quest]

When is land sale again?

[ivory bough]

November. Date unknown

[sweet lintel]

There are no tiers for sites, all sites are equal

[mystic gull]

Where can I see the estimated prices for land. At least to prepare some money

[ivory bough]

All speculation. From Stormi’s vid

[gaunt fiber]

where can i read more about land, what perks do they give? Can i buy them for sILV? Cause they are really expensive

[ivory vine]

Land can be bought with ETH or sILV. Prices floating around right now are purely speculation. Game Design Documents can be found pinned in this channel. If you prefer video, I made one recently explaining Illuvium Zero from scratch for newcomers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7V4wD6AUuE&ab_channel=RisingStorm

[wheat trail]

So it's not possible to invest into lands from non crypto ? I haven't invested much yet and I'd like to avoid the 'middle step' of buying an unknown amount of Eth to be ready to buy land at the auction. If that makes sense

[native lichen]

Hey will there be any measures in place to stop whales buying up all the land?

[autumn island]

The land sale auction would go on for a few days if not at least 24 hours. you can look at how early auctions have done with finial price, then prepare your ETH.

Each of the 20k lands are individual auctions.

[ivory vine]

No because from a DAO stand point that doesn't make sense. If a few whales would poor hundreds of millions of dollars into the land sale, then this would only mean that the DAO (=everyone having ILV staked) gets that much revenue paid out (at least the part paid in ETH). Also, the marketing effect in the space would be huge.

While there MIGHT be some limitation on quantity per wallet, there will most likely not be any major measures to prevent anyone from buying multiple lands. It is a dutch auction so the market determines pricing with everyone being free to participate.

[autumn island]

In the gaming and mining perspective, too many lands will be hard to manage with designed to spent 30-60 mins each day for each land. Then it become an ART NFT sitting there, not what whales would want, or maybe yes I don't know, I am not whale enough to know.

[slow cedar]

The clever thing with the auction is there are targets for most wallet budgets. I honestly think most whales will aim for t4/T5 and focus less on hoovering up huge quantities to actively work

[little moon]

Do you have link where we can see T4/T5 land?

[still crag]

Hope its a bit less in the low tiers up to T3

[slow cedar]

I'm not too sure what you're asking? The whitepaper has info on T4 and T5 lands

[vast saddle]

bro its a city builder mobile game. imo divide those price by and 10 and it would make sense

[ivory bough]

I’m with you in that

[ivory bough]

Oh it’s not a mobile game inly. It provides sustenance to the main game buy producing Fuel. So, the prices are like that if not even more expensive

[brittle fiber]

Hi im New in this how I can play?

[ivory bough]

!timeline it's not launched yet. 🙂

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[umbral abyss]

Hello. Does anyone know which sILV/ETH exchange rate will be used during the land sale? Will it be the same as the ILV/ETH rate at that time?

[ivory vine]

sILV is always pegged to ILV within the Illuvium Ecosystem. So for the land sale sILV value is going to be whatever ILV is at that time 🙂

[umbral abyss]

Thanks man. Is it pegged one to one?

[ivory vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[copper glen]

Presumably we can trf land easily between wallets? So if i buy on my ledger on desktop, I can trf to mobile wallet to then play the game on my phone?

[lapis gulch]

You shouldn't need to transfer it. My guess is that mobile will just work out of your account, not out of your wallet. At least axie does it that way. Also this allows scholarships altogether.

[copper glen]

Makes sense, thank you!

[molten cape]

Hello, how many lands will sell in the first sale (do we have a date of the first sale?) Thanks in advance

[mystic gull]

I'm a able to still get into the beta?

[queen folio]

20k Land Plots will be in this first sale 🙂
No date set but on the recent Spaces call with Wilder World a few days ago, Kieran mentioned the land sale would be "in 6 weeks"

[queen folio]

Hey Alex-- since you're in the Illuvium: Zero channel, not quite sure which beta you're referring to.

If you purchase a plot of land (or even choose to start up a free Tier 0 land) when the time comes, you'll have access to the "beta" of Illuvium: Zero and will be able to build on your land up until the wipe happens prior to the v2 Illuvium: Zero launch.

If you're talking about the beta for the main Illuvium game, the application is not yet live but you will have a chance to be selected if you submit an application when the time comes. See the latest message in #795444126421483520 🙂

[mystic gull]

I'm talking about the Tier 0 - 5 lands

so, I don't need to do anything to get in unless I want land?

Just don't want to miss it

[queen folio]

Correct-- the land plots that are sold, as well as the free T0 lands that become available at that time, will be connected to the game for the first Illuvium: Zero mobile release as far as I know. So as long as you have a plot of land, you should be able to access the first release of Illuvium: Zero and start playing around.

Then it will all be wiped when V2 is launched along with the main Illuvium game 🙂 (Pulling this info from the proposal shown below)

[mystic gull]

@queen folio thank you

[lethal trail]

Is it possible to buy the land with a cold wallet connected to metamask?

[queen folio]

As long as you have enough sILV or ETH in that wallet to complete the purchase, I would assume so! (Hoping so as my ETH/sILV is linked to my Ledger ha)

[native lichen]

Will land be set up in different regions so it may only be able to mine a certain type of mineral type thing?

Also will the resources we mine be able to be sent to a friend? Say if we went halves in land?

[azure lark]

Will landsale be revenue be used for ILV redis?

[glad laurel]

Land purchases in Eth produce RevDis. sILV purchases burn the sILV.

[azure lark]

Okay cool, just wanted to make sure the land sale wasn’t a separate ido type thing, and ILV holders would benefit

[onyx cosmos]

For staking I've used Coinbase Wallet. Will this wallet be compatible for the Dutch Auction Land Sale?

[thin cedar]

I think I have read in some posts in this discord that cold wallets can be troublesome during time sensitive actions.
Like auctions. Maybe I misunderstood. Try searching the discord.

[exotic escarp]

There’s no speculation on IZ earning potential until Illuvium actually drops, right?

[ivory vine]

Zero since v2 of IZ (meaning blockchain features including fuel) drops the same day as main game launch 🙂

[exotic valley]

It was like that, but I think they have changed it so no matter which region you buy in, the resource sites are randomly generated,

[exotic escarp]

That’s what I was thinking

[dawn cradle]

@amber atlas question for you. I'm assuming this has been asked already but in Illuvium Zero once the game exists on the blockchain (so main game beta launch) it sounds like one can spend to speed up production. Is this limited to paid for lands or can someone speed up their T0 land as well? It sounds like I can spend SILV for this. Can I? Can I spend ETH? And can I spend USD via applepay/googlepay like most other games?

[native lichen]

The resources we mine from land, will we be able to send them to someone else, say a friend? Or will it only be locked to our account?

[humble ether]

the mined elements, no.

the fuel, yes because they're erc-20 tokens.

[dawn cradle]

A bit more detail, in the start the elements won't be transferable. It is likely in some future release they will be transferable but there will be some kind of penalty associated with transferring them inside Illuvium Zero. As for the fuel, I don't think it is that simple. I think that you have to "claim it" in Illuvium Zero and when you do that it becomes the ERC-20 token. I'm not confident Illuvium Zero will let you import ERC-20 fuel tokens to use at launch, only that once you claim them they can then be sold or used inside of the main game. A developer can answer that part in more detail.

[amber atlas]

sorry guys, not many answers of late, I've been unwell for a few days

[amber atlas]

T0 can be sped up too, we haven't worked out exactly how payments work for this, definitely native IAP for mobile users
note that speed up wont apply to Fuel generation, Research, Scanning, and maybe a few other key activities... it is mostly about getting structures done quickly

[dawn cradle]

sorry to hear. I hope you are feeling a bit better

[amber atlas]

still a bit 'meh', but nothing serious

[dawn cradle]

Will we be able to spend Eth or SILV to speed up structures? I'm guessing that is harder than it sounds.

[thorn moon]

Hope you recover soon! Always good to take a break here and there

[little moon]

I read that you can scan for illuvials in Zero. Does that mean that if you find one, that you can use it in the main game later?

[amber atlas]

no scanning doesn't capture them, it records their Biodata (see pinned design docs on Scanning and Research)

[amber atlas]

you buy credits, credits are used for speed up, ETH/sILV based purchase of credits wont be in v1, but should be in v2

[autumn island]

hope you wasn't at the dentist been asked to sketch from mobile phone (joke shared by Von N) Awesome to see you back here, take care and get well soon.

Since IZ is on IOS, can it be run on M1 chip set Mac Book Pro? also if you don't mind being off topic, is the main game able to run on M1 chip set?

[fresh swallow]

A quick question..I know that the first land sale is coming up in November. When will the other land sales likely be? I'm thinking this one will sell-out very quickly, at high prices. If the next one happens to be after a market-wide dump, it might be possible to pick up some land at a relatively cheaper price? Let's say this bull run last until the end of the year, or Jan/Feb next year..then tanks, a sea of red. Will the other land sales likely happen before or after January?

[autumn island]

Johnny talked about this before, I will try to find the chat for you, but in short they plan to launch lands slowly and their thought for now is strongly no addition land sales before main game launch.

here we go: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

there would be more estimation about future land sales in the FAQ coming soon.

[spice patio]

Does anyone know if the art that we saw for Illuvium zero is near final?

[autumn island]

No defiantly it's not final, it was an alpha demo to should functionality.

I am not sure if much of the art can be done in V1 launching in Nov, but there are plenty of time till main game launch for the team to work on graphic.

[spice patio]

Ok, Just given the intense visual work done for the main game what we saw seemed very elementary.

[native lichen]

Cheers for that, yeah if a dev could expand on that would be much appreciated :)

[autumn island]

main game visual is lead and done by the mystical Von Neumann, where we don't want IZ slow down the progress of the main game, and please note IZ team only had 7 weeks to produce that demo which is really short period of time.

[spice patio]

7 weeks is an extremely short time. This is good news

[fresh swallow]

Thanks mate, much appreciated!

[amber atlas]

hi @spice patio IZ is a casual city building game for mobile/web, it will follow the art style typical in those types of games, it wont be leaps and bounds different to the first demo video, but expect a lot more variation and detail in the environment, expect also many of the buildings to come to life with particle effects and small animations

for v2 (beta) we will continue to refine and improve it, with several new art positions opening up

[autumn island]

Hi @amber atlas can you help me out on this question about M1? I am planning on getting a new machine for illuvium, thanks #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[amber atlas]

IZ will run in a browser, should be fine anywhere with full WebGL support, I don't think we have released any details on main game specs, so I can't really talk about that

orthogonally I know both Aaron and I are considering getting the new macbooks, so there will be some reasonably senior core-contributors pushing for good mac builds ... but I can't make categorical statements about a certain chipset or configuration being supported

[zinc shuttle]

@amber atlas I was wondering if there has been anything put out on how land will be purchased? Will it be through the website? And what currency will be used? Sorry if I should know this.

[amber atlas]

only in chat I think, so nothing that would be easy for you to find

like we did with other things, e.g. balancer sale, we will be building a custom sale web app that lives up to the quality of our other assets, this will be tied in to the Illuvidex and include thing like map view, wishlist, etc

currency is ETH and sILV (but not mixed, you buy a given plot with one or the other)

[autumn island]

Thank you for those information, I will keep struggling for a few days until I say to apple "take my fk money" 😅

[zinc shuttle]

Thanks, I just got on the discord so I'm way behind.

[autumn island]

would there be auto bid function?

[amber atlas]

not sure

[deep iris]

Just ordered my M1 Max!

[deep iris]

Probably overkill but literally sprung for it just for Illuvium 😅 I kept imagining how good the game would look on the computer!

[autumn island]

not overkill if you link it with 3 monitors and play with 4 lands at the same time.

maybe even run a machine learning program to find most efficient strategy for the buildings with the 32-core GPU

[deep iris]

Haha maybe do some video editing and 3d modeling on the side on one of the computers at the same time 😂

[mortal merlin]

Im dissapointed

Using macbooks..

[pseudo orchid]

Hey guys is this the link for Sushi Liquidity Pool : https://app.sushi.com/add/ETH/0x767FE9EDC9E0dF98E07454847909b5E959D7ca0E ?
I got it from the Illuvium Academy vid on youtube

Sorry thought I was in #🥩〕staking , I'll see myself out.

[arctic veldt]

Hay guys wen is the land sell day

[autumn island]

Hi Zaza, the date is not confirmed yet but it's getting ready for the end of November.

Here is the leak about being 6 weeks away, as an estimation. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[plain pulsar]

Yes

If they are available in your wallet I believe so.

[little moon]

All staking rewards claimed as sILV are unlocked and sent to your wallet as soon as you claim them. You should be able to see them on your staking dashboard or in your wallet after you add the token address for sILV.

[spice patio]

@amber atlas Thats all it was missing was detail in the environment. Thanks for the reply!

[ruby swallow]

will the land sale start next month?

[ivory bough]

Probably yes. Date unknown

[ruby swallow]

ok

have you got the land sale detail?

[ivory bough]

you can check pined messages and search for JohnnyA and read his comments 🙂

[true bluff]

First is the trailer then the land sale

[autumn island]

First is the trailer, then the ILV rocketed, then the land sale with sILV worth more

[pulsar rain]

Is there any whitepaper for ILVZero?

[ivory bough]

You can find the GDDs in pinned messages

[buoyant wasp]

You can even sell it on the secondary market 🙂

[slim flint]

There are a bunch of separate docs in pinned messages.

[pulsar rain]

Ty guys im watching it atm 💯 👍

[hearty wraith]

Is it true that illuzium zero will get reset once the main game launch ?

[muted moth]

Yep. Everything is wiped, but you keep your blueprints

[inland smelt]

will credits also be wiped if we selll/transfer land to other wallet ?

[hearty wraith]

Ooo thanks

[cinder fractal]

Didn't check this chat for last 5 days do we have some new informations ?

[wheat trail]

wait, not even produced consumables/ fuel stay ?

[muted moth]

Those aren’t valuable at that point. Fuel doesn’t become ERC20 until after launch of main game. It has no use before launch

[potent dock]

Nothing stays, so it's a fair launch. The blueprints obtainable pre-launch of the main game will be, to my understanding, exceedingly common.

[wintry cobalt]

when land selling?

[wheat trail]

november's end

[wintry cobalt]

is that the only pre sale in illuvium land plot only? any other selling asides from plot?

[glad storm]

maybe thats the only one

[thorn moon]

There will also be illuvatars coming (TBA) since you’re looking for other pre sales. Check out the most recent IIP in #📰〕governance-news

[vast reef]

hello .. who tells me about zero what is it about?

[magic iron]

is there an ETA for ilv zero?

[eternal lichen]

ok spent some time going through the pinned messages good info.. obvi higher tiers are better but is there any rough estimate on how much eth I should have in my wallet to try to get a tier 1?

[south belfry]

Almost November 👀 need some Infooooo

[thorn moon]

Check out this video by @ivory vine, he does an excellent job giving an overview of what we know and what has been leaked 🙂
https://youtu.be/n7V4wD6AUuE

[vast reef]

thanks bro

[eternal lichen]

oo thank you

[pseudo sail]

0,

[undone phoenix]

25

[muted moth]

25 ETH for T1!?! I know prices will be high but I don’t think they’ll go that high 🤣

[stray patio]

Hard to speculate, but maybe somewhere between 0.3 and 1.7 eth? $1k to $5k. Really no telling, though. We'll get more solid info before the sale and get a better idea perhaps.

[little moon]

Guys when does the trailer come out?

[dire tiger]

9 days to go! please check #🚰〕leaks

[little moon]

Soooo

Pump in 9 days is what you’re saying?

[dire tiger]

Yes. The trailer will come out in 9 days based on what is posted on #🚰〕leaks

[opal path]

the land auction is going to be crazy

[undone phoenix]

Brace yourself. FOMO is coming

[opal path]

diamond badges did sell for over 100k i think

[muted moth]

True, but I don’t think people will FOMO 100k for a T1. Starting prices probably won’t even be that high. Probably starting T1’s at 10-15 ETH would be my guess

[opal path]

even if the first few t1 do go for crazy amounts there should still be a lot of opportunity to get a t1 at a far lower price as the auction goes on

maybe that is wishful thinking

[potent dock]

Is my math bad? 100k T1 would mean our first land sale was worth over 2B. I don't think that's realistic at this point, for our 1/5 land sale to exceed our MCap by 4x.

[muted moth]

Maybe yes maybe no. I tend to agree tho

[muted moth]

My point exactly. I know prices will probably be higher than estimated, but not that high lol. 100k is a LOT for T1

[opal path]

20000 land in the first auction i think

[wheat trail]

I think it's unreasonable to expect T1 prices in several thousands. but maybe I'm hopeful

[muted moth]

I think top would be 5k

[potent dock]

5k average land price would make for a 100M land sale, which I'd be into. That seems like it could be about right, with T1 from 1k-3k, and higher tiers substantially more than that.

[wheat trail]

I'd like to grab a t3 or a t2 but I won't go above 10k for lands with undisclosed productivity

[opal path]

ya its hard to gauge value with the limited information we have

[vast reef]

un videaso maravilloso jajajaja ya quiero jugar parece un age imperie

[viscid solar]

quick question for my YouTuber friend who is about to do an Illuvium video: the mini game, if people play with tier zero, do they earn anything useful for the actual game?

[little moon]

No, T0 doesnt produce any blockchain assets. Its just for fun.

[viscid solar]

Thank you so much for the quick reply!

[little moon]

Yeah no problem! If you were wondering, the logic behind this decision is that if it made any assets, people would just make bots and farm those assets into infinity, essentially making them valueless.

[dawn cradle]

And I'll take it a step further. For phase 1 and 2 the answer is there is no blockchain assets. And it is probably safe to say there will never be fuel developed from T0s. Now I think it is possible that they will eventually develop a reward you could get in the Illuvium Zero game from T0s that would give you an "award" in the main game that does not affect the economy. Like maybe an appearance blueprint or just like a mark next to your name would be something I would see long-term. But no correlation short term and nothing ever that could be botted and affect the economy of the main game (AKA no fuel from T0 ever probably).

[viscid solar]

Is there a way of viewing pinned messages on an iPhone discord app because I don’t see them

[ivory bough]

yep. swipe left 🙂 the pin is on top of the screen

[viscid solar]

I absolutely love little markers next to your name in games designating different achievements like in Destiny 2

[viscid solar]

Oh my God it’s been for me this whole time thank you so much Arash! 🤦🏼‍♀️

[ivory bough]

haha don't mention it 😄

[eternal lichen]

thanks for your response.. i'll start packing my wallet..

[unborn pilot]

Easily 1 ETH+ per T1 imo. I don't see land sale raising anything below $100m in ETH/sILV value. Quite possibly $200m+ when you include higher tiers and T5's

[merry sand]

Hoping to snag a T2 for 6 sILV but idk

[eternal lichen]

man i may not get a chance at even getting one..

[unborn pilot]

Ofc it's all speculation at this point so I could be wrong. But you have like 5~6 weeks to start farming sILV for it in either case haha

[stray patio]

Same!

Relying on my positive thoughts to help me secure a plot lol.

[eternal lichen]

i heard liquity on SILV is toast

[eternal lichen]

sending you some.. you got this!!

[unborn pilot]

There's a ton of liquidity on sILV now, it's like $2m+ I think

[tame jolt]

Is there a release date for Zero? Any place where we can get updates?

[waxen token]

5-6 weeks? I thought end of this month was +10

[tame jolt]

Is there a beta or anything we can try?

[eternal lichen]

what? what the hell did i read..

[unborn pilot]

https://info.uniswap.org/#/tokens/0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

TVL shows $2.47m~ in sILV/ETH pair

[unborn pilot]

There's been several mentions here of some leak somewhere (twitter or an interview I forget) where they said 6 weeks out a couple days ago

[eternal lichen]

i think uniswap was having trouble with buying it.. some medium article I read. .thanks for the help.. i'll look into staking but not sure if it's worth it if sales coming in november I was just going to eat it with eth

[waxen token]

You should almost certainly buy sILV then use that.

[unborn pilot]

Sure, up to you man. Personally I think staking now in SLP until land sale is still worth it given that you'll earn 20%~ in redeemable sILV by then (if it's 6 weeks~ from now). ILV looks like it could really take off from here, but then again you also risk losses if it goes down

It also depends on the amounts you're dealing with, the gas fees may not be worth it if it's a few hundred dollars for instance

[waxen token]

True

[eternal lichen]

right what is a lot to me isn't a lot to ETH GAS GODS..

[fluid lily]

1.42m

[azure sonnet]

Do we know how many plots will be part of initial sale? And breakdown by tier?

[muted moth]

Nope.

[unborn pilot]

1.42m in sILV, but also it gets paired with equal parts in ETH, which almost doubles liquidity depth

[fluid lily]

ok. sounds legit. https://etherscan.io/address/0xa7f72a1ec0ab189998a3eec8b886e6360aff39da

dunno why info.uniswap does not count sILV value.

[spring isle]

If I stake for 1 year sILV, so I get to use my sILV for the land sales?

Do I get to use*

[muted moth]

So, you can't stake sILV, it is either earned as a staking reward or bought off of the secondary market. And yes, you can use it for the land sale where its price will match ILV

[fluid lily]

do we have final date for land sale? or its still TBA with no actual date? (previous info was end of oct. begining of nov?)

[spring isle]

Would you rather invest 5 grand in illuvium and stake it to get sILV or directly buy SILV from the second market

[muted moth]

So from a recent interview with Kieran, he said 6 weeks. But he also said that we have to wait for the new contracts to be audited before the sale can happen. No official date, but I would guess it'd probably be either the second to last or last week in November now

[fluid lily]

could you please provide the link from this interview?

[muted moth]

I don't have the link, but here is the link to the post of Kieran confirming it: https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/899565369528819754

[random oracle]

Illuvium Zero is going to luanch as the mobile game in late 2022 right?

[muted moth]

I believe its initial launch will be on mobile, and should be available not too long after the land sale. So possibly by the end of the year

[random oracle]

Really? So your saying its supposedly launching on mobile first and possibly by the end of 2021?

[muted moth]

Yea. It is being designed on unity with the intent for mobile, and it is definitely being released prior to main game launch since they are going to wipe the land plots at launch. So if not by the end of the year, probably sometime in January

[random oracle]

Everything you earn and create on the land will be erased when Illuvium goes live right?

[muted moth]

Everything but the blueprints, yes

[random oracle]

I just thought the mobile game wasn't coming till late 2022 when this did change?

[muted moth]

I think you are referring to Illuvium coming to mobile. IZ was always intended for a mobile release

[random oracle]

So Illuvium the actual game will get a mobile version in late 2022. Illuvium Zero will be on mobile and pc eventually?

[muted moth]

Yea. Though I think IZ will launch for both at the same time; unity works on both mobile and browser

[random oracle]

I know I should be up to date on this stuff, but dealing with my issues has really messed with my mind and everything.

[random oracle]

Gotcha okay this makes sense now. I really appreciate the info.

[muted moth]

No problem! Love your vids btw

[random oracle]

One last question when you say blueprints you mean the scans for illuvials skins and armor and stuff?

[muted moth]

Sorta yea. So you scan for illuvials, and if you find any you record their biodata. You then research this biodata, which can give you a blueprint(basically instructions for a skin for armor and weapons based on the illuvial)

[buoyant wasp]

You can stake sILV in the uniswap V3 pool, that's how the pool get created in the first place, however all you get is 1% of the transaction in the pool across all stakers, which is huge if there is high volume

[muted moth]

True lol. I was more talking about within the Illuvium ecosystem

[viscid solar]

It was in a twitter room interview with Wilder Worlds last week

[stoic hawk]

What do you think for revdis on that

[viscid solar]

Yes. 20,000 first drop. There’s a chart maybe it’s pinned for the proposed tier breakdown I believe

[viscid solar]

Are you implying 1 ETH per tier, or just tier 1?

[vivid cipher]

Well about 6.5 million ILV is eligible for revdis. So if the sale netted $200m in eth then the vault would buy that much ILV and distribute it to the stakers… at like $30 of ILV per ILV staked (when exactly is not clear since it will be a relatively short time for the sale to take place and revenue would not be continuing after the sale ended). But I don’t know if that’s even close to accurate revenue wise

[dusk scarab]

wyhere can i read up on land?

[fallow igloo]

If you look in the pins on this channel you will find everything you would like regarding what we know of the lands and the upcoming sale

[dusk scarab]

what exactly does this mean?

"Both ETH and sILV will be used as payment methods for land. While sILV will not attract external revenue, it will incentivize current token holders to claim their yield tokens as sILV. "

is it talking about buying land with sILV wont be able to generate you revenue that you can transfer into actual currency, but only generate sILV

[buoyant wasp]

It means that buying land with sILV will not contribute to revenue distribution , instead the sILV used will be burnt , hence reducing the theoretical maximum of ILV ever minted

[dusk scarab]

im so lost atm lol. how's land related to revenue distribution?

[hidden lava]

It's the transaction to buy the land that is rev related friend

[dusk scarab]

ok yeah that makes sense
also what is the rev im hearing

[last jetty]

Hi guys, do we have any idea when the land sale will take place ?

[unborn shore]

What are the lands used for?

[ivory bough]

Probably November. Date unknown

[last jetty]

Thank you!

[ivory bough]

I suggest reading the pinned documents in pinned messages to have a complete overall view towards land sale

[unborn shore]

thank you, id didnt think of that

[dire tiger]

was planning to buy some ILV for land when I get my salary. and the price of ILV keeps going up 😦

[cyan dew]

any news for illuvium land? when will it be aviliable?

[near hornet]

Expected release is approximately 6 weeks.

[shrewd dagger]

How can you generate income from land?

[lapis gulch]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

And there are blueprints also. You can check the pinned messages in this channel as well.

[shrewd dagger]

Thanks looks like a sim city type scenario where u generate income from construction u do

[lapis gulch]

Immagine a simple town building game in which resources can be "exported" in the main game in order for people to craft items and skins.

[shrewd dagger]

Do you think land would have resale value?

Sounds interesting. I might get a plot if affordable

[warped oyster]

??

[lapis gulch]

1. The land price will be dependent on the success of main game. If main game does not take of, the zero game will be near useless.
2. It also depends on how much people will be making out of land. It's not like axie infinity in which people are still speculating how much money they will make from land. Just immagine if in Axie land makes $2-$3 dollars a day. Noone in their right mind will pay 3-4-20-30 ETH for a piece of land.
3. You have to take into account the fact land will be sold as dutch auction, so a lot of it will sell high to begin with. And it's possible that short term price will drop.
4. Take into account sILV can be used to buy land. sILV at the moment is $400, but will be equal to 1 ILV durring auction. This means people will use it as levarage to double their spending power. So if land sells for 10k, it'll cost some people 5k to purchase. And in that case a price of 7.5k will be good resell value for some, but loss for others.
5. This is not a financial advice, please do more reasearch and try not to invest what you're not willing to lose.

[undone notch]

I thought land would be auctioned in ETH, and that ILV is used as a government token and some in-game purchases

[lapis gulch]

sILV will be usable for the land sale. And it's price will be pegged to the ILV price at that time.

[little wagon]

So when you wanna buy land with eth it is smarter to buy sILV now, because it has a big discount compared to ILV currently 😉

[true bluff]

How low can the land get in the Dutch auction? Can somebody with experience explain

[little wagon]

No, we don't know the preset limits yet.

[muted moth]

Technically price could go all the way to 0$, but that won’t ever happen

[true bluff]

If nobody bets high the price sets low ?

[muted moth]

Well it’s a Dutch auction, so price starts really high at a price no one would buy at, and then starts to drop. Once someone sees it at the price they want, they buy it. So no bidding really

[true bluff]

Oh I see

Thanks

[lapis gulch]

Basically whales will buy at whatever price and we'll just hope something is left 🙂

So it's best to just get staked in order to get something back from the RevDis, even though sILV payed for land won't be distributed.

[onyx cosmos]

Let’s say I have $5000 worth to spend on buying land. Is there a way to set up my bid so that I have one bid for one tier 1 land at $5000 and, if that price is too high, another bid that says two tier 1 lands at $2500? I’m worried that if I had the opportunity to buy multiple lands instead of one that I’ll miss out.

[lapis gulch]

I haven't seen auction on IMX(except tik tok) yet to confirm this. But I think they lack that technology yet. My guess is they're gonna copy what axie infinity market does. Price just starts at value X, then in time its value drops. Until someone just spends the money. No limit orders. You'll have to be online and track it yourself most probably.

[muted moth]

So Illuvium is building their own platform that the land sale will occur on; they may add functionality like that, but it is unknown at this time. So plan on having to buy it yourself for now

[random oracle]

Quick question, for the land sale will silv be valued as ILV? So like 1 silv be worth the price of ILV when purchasing land?

[ivory vine]

sILV used within the ILV ecosystem is always going to be 1:1 of ILV value unless something changes that. So yes, for land this is true as well 🙂

[random oracle]

I know it’s been asked 1000 times but what do you think tier 1 will sell for? We could say 1ETH but does that mean 1ETH even if it’s at 6K by the time the land sell happens?

[muted moth]

My estimate is 1-5k usd, but that’s obviously guesses

[ivory vine]

I obviously can do nothing else than speculate as well, but I included my estimations in the IZ video last week at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/n7V4wD6AUuE?t=754

[random oracle]

Gotcha, one last question. If you buy silv can you resell it?

I know that’s dumb question lol.

[muted moth]

Yep. It’s an ERC20, so you can always sell for ETH and then convert to fiat

[ivory bough]

Make sure it's on V3. V2 is flushed

[wheat trail]

So IZ being mobile, it will interact with the metamask app for the things generated/minted ? Or what ? Any info how that will work ?

[ivory bough]

How it's actually going to use your wallet remains to be seen. The full data will be disclosed.

[south belfry]

Morning slum lords check out my disc inv in the guild recruitment channel hah can all get a jump start with ILZ

[mental dagger]

What kind of in game rewards will each land tier provide ?

[muted moth]

No real in game rewards per say; it’s more you can sell your fuel for ETH, and then use said ETH in game. There may be other things added in the future, but for now the main benefit is profiting from selling fuel

[mental dagger]

When will we know how much eth each land tier produces ?

[muted moth]

Well it depends on how much fuel sells for, how efficiently you set up buildings on your land, and how much time you spend on your land per day. I think they will release some estimates per tier prior to the sale, but a lot of depends on how you set your land up as well

[mental dagger]

Thanks for that

I appreciate the response

[thorn moon]

There’s also blueprints! Check out the Research GDD in the pinned messages, it’s a long read, but there’s possible revenue from selling the item skins

[random oracle]

Can I convert ETH into SILV?

[ivory bough]

yes. you can converts any token Uniswap supports to sILV. But ETH is better

[random oracle]

I know they are simple questions, I’ve just never used uniswap.

[ivory bough]

it's exactly the same as Sushi 🙂

[long lantern]

another banger video, thanks for making this @ivory vine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWeBw5aTwzs

[ivory vine]

I really appreciate it, thank you 🙂 😍

[shrewd dagger]

Thanks. It sounds like it is more predictable revenue stream by just staking ilv which I'd what I have been doing and will continue to do so

[iron bough]

Nothings a dumb question man

[stray patio]

Indeed! We're all just excited about this and trying to learn as much as we can.

[odd pumice]

I found the contract on Etherscan for sILV, but do you know where we can actually Swap it?

[ivory bough]

you can buy sILV on Uniswap V3

[odd pumice]

Ok, super cool. Thanks 🙏

[opal path]

good discussions thanks for the read

[muted moth]

All depends on price of ILV at time of sale, but right now, no I don't think so. But that is just my opinion. I think T3 will go for somewhere between 30-50k

Crazy isn't it?😅

Yea as much as I love Illuvium, I can't say I would recommend that lol

[clear badge]

hey guys im in uniswap where do i convert to silv? all I see is ILV

[fallen nymph]

In the pinned messages in the staking channel find the sILV contract address and paste it in uniswap

@clear badge

[clear badge]

thank you, I saw it

[little moon]

Ive seen some 250$ t1 land price predictions, praying thats true.

[clear badge]

noob question - how will sILV equal ILV value during auction?

Doesn't that mean hoarding sILV now is good if you'll use it to buy land?

[fallen nymph]

$sILV will be equal to $ILV during the auction.

That's what I'm doing 😉

[clear badge]

thanks man 🙂

[fallen nymph]

no problem

[fallen nymph]

Pray hard! lol

[upper gust]

If so they'll sell out immediately.

[little moon]

yeah dont click that

[fallen nymph]

It's a Dutch Auction so the price would have to drop for a long time to get to $250.
I would love to pay that but I think there's a better chance of farting a tier 5 Illuvial into existence IRL.

[upper gust]

If they start the T1s at $250, they'd be sold out in a few minutes.

[fallen nymph]

The Dutch Auction works backwards. I'm still trying to figure it out but I think they start the item price really high and it drops steadily until somebody clicks buy.

[upper gust]

They don't necessarily have to start it super high.

I would assume the T4-5s certainly would. But I hope they make the base land affordable.

[fallen nymph]

Google Dutch Auction.
I read that they're going to start the price at about x10 what they expect it to sell for and it will slowly go down until it's sold.

[muted moth]

The way it works is they start the price at around 10x(just a filler number here, not confirmed yet) what they think average price will be, and then the price drops until someone decides to buy it. So it is not a fixed price

[true bluff]

Im ready to drop 2000$ to grab anything

[fleet pumice]

What happened to the auctions being end of October?

[echo swift]

It was never set in stone. The trailer is roughly the end of month. Auction maybe a few weeks away

[vivid cipher]

!timeline

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[lapis gulch]

Has it been discussed if we'll be able to spend sILV in IZ before the wipe? And say we buy credits, will those credits be refunded after the wipe?

[vivid cipher]

I suspect no refunds if we are even allowed to pay. Since we will be able to hold the blueprints.

I don’t see how they will accept sILV as payment in IZ before the wipe since it won’t be connected to the blockchain.

[lapis gulch]

Maybe if you can buy via in app purchases? Heartstone did this in their beta. All purchases were refunded ingame after beta wipe. This allows testing both purchasing and speeding up. It'll be good if players are able to reach into later stages of the game as well in order to test out later levels of buildings.

Also - why not. This is revdis 🙂

[vivid cipher]

in-app purchases seem likely especially during the prelaunch

[autumn island]

I agree to that as well, Genshin Impact did the same where in app purchases are allowed in close beta test, then such amount is claimable after data clean to spend in the open test. If we have the web version ready it would be even better to by pass apple/google.

[little moon]

Hi guys! How we can buy land? Where is this auction and which date? 😅

[ivory bough]

Hey. In November after it goes live. Instructions will follow. For now you can watch Stormi’s vid regarding IZ in #🎨〕community-content and read the stuff in pinned messeges

[little moon]

Thanks for info👌

[cosmic aspen]

please use #👑〕bot-commands for these things

[wispy fulcrum]

thanks. dont know you all can see.

[cloud glacier]

I’m ready to max bid the auction. Hello admins, wen live?

jk. I’m excited for this

[ivory bough]

Eh.... Sorry, but there's no bidding in the auction 😄

[cosmic aspen]

maybe they want to bid the maximum on the dutch auction? i say let them. that should be...what do you think...1 billion in rev or so?

[ivory bough]

Haha didn't look at it this way. So T1 is sold for $10k 😄

[cloud glacier]

Auction will be on mainnet?

[lapis gulch]

I think IMX. But it's not confirmed.

[cloud glacier]

$10k for a T1? Seems reasonable. And low supply right?

[lapis gulch]

Prices are not know at this point.

[ivory bough]

No. It will be done on IlluviDEX.

[ivory bough]

My man, if you buy T1 for $10k, then T5 should go for $5M 😄

[lapis gulch]

But how will the DEX work? Over IMX or Ethereum?

[cloud glacier]

Lol just read the pins. Yes no go for T1. I assumed 1 was highest haha

[ivory bough]

It'll be on ETH. But since it's done through Dutch Auction, there will be no gas war. You click buy, and it’s yours

[cloud glacier]

ILV was offered on Alchemist right? So using their auction system for this?

[ivory bough]

ILV is using its own system and has never used other platforms. Later it will be on IMX.

[cloud glacier]

This one? https://copperlaunch.com/v1/auctions/0xd0dd7451d58318d8d528b83a8f45b0a22b7eacd1

[cosmic aspen]

the IDO was on balancer

the land sale will likely be a custom UI either on top of IMX or mainnet(most likely mainnet iirc), the IDO sale was a custom UI on top of balancer

[cloud glacier]

Thanks guys. Good luck on the sale. Hope it goes smoothly for the team

[vivid cipher]

It looks to me like most of what that copper site was showing was a third party tool scammers used to profit during the ILV blbp. The prices don’t line up to my memory of initial sale at all.

[undone notch]

I saw an ILV contract in Polygon. Does anyone know if it's legit? Has anyone sent ILV to Polygon? It could be a good way of staking without paying insane gas fees

[cosmic aspen]

think this might've been answered already but no. ILV is on ETH only atm

[lean geode]

when start auction please ?

sorry i didn't read all the message

[ivory bough]

Auction next month. date unknown 🙂

[true bluff]

🤙🏼

[little moon]

Playing*

[warped oyster]

I’ll trust you

[ivory bough]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-blake-shelton-the-voice-well-thank-you-i-feel-so-honored-gif-15185419

[warped oyster]

Please 1 Ilv token please I’ll dm you first 😂😂😂. But no for real (us dollar has power of my African money

[ivory bough]

I though you said you were rich already haha 😄

[sonic flume]

Since it’s a Dutch auction will there be gas fees?

[warped oyster]

When was that I will give you my NFT IF YOU CAN PROVE IT

I’m hoping it even blows then sale and help ma family I’m broke

[ivory bough]

There will be gas fee but no gas war 🙂

[ivory bough]

donno maybe I misheard in voice chat haha 😄

[sonic flume]

Thanks mate. I hope to snag one but seeing everyone’s else’s amount I feel threatened hahaha

[ivory bough]

many will use it for passive income or a sustenance for the main game.

[warped oyster]

Ow I remember yeah my NFT IS WHAT HAS VALE BUT is not dropped

[ivory bough]

I'm sure you can. It's lots of lands 🙂

[ivory bough]

lol.....I have a good memory

[sonic flume]

First sale 20k! Not that much compared to the users and big wallets here lol

[warped oyster]

That’s me but I don’t even have enough for a full coin I can afford half

[ivory bough]

gotta keep on having hope 🙂

[warped oyster]

Yeah but you didn’t listen carefully 🚶🏽‍♂️please help me

[ivory bough]

as long as you have ILV, you are GMI and that is Not a financial advice 😄

[ivory bough]

I need some one to help myself haha. Let's not go #799010390201466880 🙂

[warped oyster]

Bro gas look up my currency and tell me if my wallet will even make it to the Ilv pool I swear bro i need help

[lilac parrot]

When is land sale?

[ivory bough]

November. Date unknown

[lilac parrot]

where is it on what website?

[ivory bough]

It will probably be on ILV website in IlluviDEX tab

[lilac parrot]

Oke thanks for the info

But the Illuvidex isn't even out yet or will that mean it will release at the sametime the sales are gonne be done

[ivory bough]

It will be live when it's done and ready, but there will be more info before so you can get prepared. For now if you wanna learn more abut lands, you can check the pinned messages or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7V4wD6AUuE&ab_channel=RisingStorm

[lilac parrot]

Oke thanks man

[craggy kiln]

How much gas fees do you expect?

[amber atlas]

morning folks

[weary swan]

Morning

[long lantern]

the game will run on immutableX.. or are you referring to land sale?

[craggy kiln]

I mean in the land sale, what ID the expected gas fee? Will it be more than 200 dollars

[autumn island]

Good Morning~ Are you recovered?

[fallen nymph]

Good morning

[muted moth]

Just depends on the day and the gwei; hopefully we can see sub50 gwei for the sale, but be prepared for higher gas

[autumn island]

Is it likely to be correct only these 8 BD can be find in the open alpha and mint-able? And whoever discover them first wiil keep their name in the global system?

[craggy kiln]

Thank you so much! I have 1 more question... Will we be able to buy land with sILV? I saw some discusions about that...

[muted moth]

Yep! And it will match the price of ILV

[long lantern]

no it is a dutch auction which occurs in rounds over the course of days..... so there shouldn't be crazy gas fees

[muted moth]

First off those are biodata not blueprints. You research the biodata to get blueprints. Second, I’m pretty sure there will be blueprints for most illuvials, so I think more than 8. Johnny can probably confirm

[amber atlas]

yes, but second covid vaccine shot today so might be heading back in to the ringer for a few days

[amber atlas]

we haven't locked down which Illuviuls it will be, but almost certainly not high-tier ones like Ramphy

[autumn island]

Panadol help some people went through. It should get better in a day or two if you actually have any symptom. Good luck.😀

[amber atlas]

yeah not concerned, just losing more time 😒

[amber atlas]

for Alpha it wont be a lot, but probably more than 8 (I'm thinking about 15), Beta will be all Illuvials

[little moon]

How many days till trailer

[main crag]

6 iirc

[weary swan]

holy shiz silv mooning eee i need more cheap silv

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[main crag]

where are you trading it?

[weary swan]

Uni swap

[main crag]

?

[muted moth]

So sILV is not recognized by uniswap, so you need to paste in the contract address for it. You can find it pinned in #💰〕token

[main crag]

Ah I see! Tyvm

[severe karma]

Don't type it in as SILV do ILV and sILV will show up

You risk not getting the right one the way you're about to do it

I missed @muted moth response my bad, he's also right

[stray oyster]

Cheers! Cant wait for this !!

[ivory bough]

https://tenor.com/view/you-and-me-both-marcus-white-lines-both-of-us-were-on-the-same-page-gif-18646312

[south belfry]

neeeeeeed sale updatessss

[little moon]

Lets imagine i can buy a land T1 to start minting it, how much gas fee it would be, during normal gas fee session. I'm scared that i have raise my money up because if i don't have enough to pay the gas fee, i would be rekt.

[tough field]

Everything in Illuvium 0 and the main game will happen in an L2 (Immutable X) of the Ethereum network. Fees there will be very very low. So don’t worry about fees

[terse peak]

But wouldnt the land sale happen on eth main net? I thought IMX wont be ready for use for illuvium by landsale yet no?

[ivory bough]

Initial land sale will be done through IlluviDEX, but there will be no gas war as it's done through Dutch Auction and you pay, you get. No bidding 🙂

[slow cedar]

Gotta keep a chunk of change in eth to pay the gas still though right?

[ivory bough]

yep. Already have it ready. I'm fully ready for Land sale now. gotta keep on adding to my ILV starting from 5 mins ago lol

[sonic flume]

how much silv/eth you have for land there Arash O.o

[ivory bough]

not much. I'm Plankton 🙂

[sonic flume]

Plankton x 1000 ^^

[clear badge]

would you recommend buying sILV instead of ETH for land sale?

[ivory bough]

I wish lol. It's never enough haha

[ivory bough]

No recommendation here like ever. I myself have only bought 2 sILV when it was $180 something. The rest was just claims.

[clear badge]

right???? wish I have boomer wealth for this

[ivory bough]

It's not wealth. It's just planning. Many of us are not rich at all. Many just try to time their trades right and maximize their gains. Getting rich is not important. staying rich is.

[clear badge]

youd still have to break the barrier though and get rich then can focus on how to stay rich

[clear badge]

there has been some recommendation from some fellows here in this chat, considering that silv is 400 and will match ilv price on landsale. but I will hold on to my ETH, safer that way

[ivory bough]

ILV will get us all there and that is NFA haha

[sonic flume]

for me. i think illuvium seems fun as hell and i want land just so i can be more apart of it lol. bad or good roi / rich or not I'm just here to enjoy

[clear badge]

this is what I tell my friends, buy even just 1 token and let it sit there

[ivory bough]

sILV will be pegged to ILV price yeah and buying it also makes sense. The token is authentic, the pool is not. So everyone should trade at their own discretion in case someone gets scammed or loses money due to using the wrong address

[ivory bough]

You are GMI and your friends are NGMI haha 😄 NFA again 😛

[slow cedar]

Calling yourself plankton makes it hard to have a classification for the rest of us @ivory bough

[cosmic aspen]

photons

[ivory bough]

Haha. I'm plankton in sILV holding. That should help with the classification 😄

[ivory bough]

Is that a living creature? Thought it was physics 😄

[cosmic aspen]

true...

[tawdry thunder]

Everybody should be a humble plankton

[molten quest]

What tier are people going for?

[ivory bough]

T3- T2 -T1 😄 (mostly T1 cuz the rest gonna be expensive but one can hope even when they know it's futile)

[waxen token]

To restake my profits or buy land that is the question

[ivory bough]

you cannot restake. you can claim and they will be added to ILV pool and stay locked. claiming sILV however, means you can use it for land

[waxen token]

Yea sorry the first part is what I meant — actually get to compounding gains

[ivory bough]

haha sure 🙂 just wanted to clarify in case you had misunderstood 🙂

[waxen token]

Any reason why one shouldn’t buy sILV with eth for the land purchase? Seems like it’s more bang for the buck

[ivory bough]

No reason. Personal decision 🙂

[waxen token]

Well if 1 silv = 1 ilv, does eth translate into ilv price?

[fair temple]

if you buy too little sILV and you can't buy a land with it, then you will have to buy more during the landsale which will have a higher cost or the liquidity is empty so you might be left with sILV that you can't use to buy land this time.
If you buy too much sILV and the pool to sell it gets taken down you are left with sILV that you will have to use in the future of the game either through the illuvitars/other landsale/in-game purchases.

[ivory bough]

1 ETH = like 5 ILV/sILV and 1 ETH = 10 sILV (on open market atm)

[waxen token]

Yup totally. How will everything be priced? In ilv? So if land is say 10 ilv. Wouldn’t it make sense for me to buy the silv since I get it for half the price vs me having to buy “full price” with eth? Or will eth have the same buying power as silv?

[lapis gulch]

Should be priced in USD and you pay the value in whatever token you like.

[ivory bough]

sILV will be pegged to ILV. so whatever the price of ILV, your sILV (regardless of having been claimed/bought on open market) will have the same price as ILV. However, ETH generates RevDis while sILV gets burned upon use.

[waxen token]

I see. So as stakers I’m sure we hope that people pay in eth 🙂

[fair temple]

but as potential land owners we hope they don't so we get more land! 🙂

[lapis gulch]

Keep in mind that claiming sILV is a deflationary mechanism for ILV. For each sILV claimed, there will be an ILV not minted. So people using sILV will make ILV more scarce => more valuable => produce more revdis.

[ivory bough]

doesn't matter. Even if they keep on claiming sILV, the total number of ILV will be reduced. Both way stakers will be in profit. But RevDis imo mostly will come through the game(s)

[lapis gulch]

So keeping ILV is the safest bet long term.

[waxen token]

I see. All an interesting discussion I very much appreciate it

[ivory bough]

keep it coming cuz we love discussing haha 😄

[waxen token]

I got the ilv for sure wish I didn’t go so heavy on normal staking

I split the total funds 50/50 between lp and regular. Wish I YOLOd into lp!

[ivory bough]

If you are already happy with your investment, you will be just fine. Don't leave room for wishes and regrets. I myself am fully in ILV pool.

[waxen token]

Yea not too much regret with 100% ROI in a couple months 😉 not to mention ilv appreciation!

[ivory bough]

there you go 🙂

[lapis gulch]

I find myself from time to time wishing I would invest more. Because gains are soo good, but then I realize this is just greed. Even small amount of money will go a long way here. We should all just appreciate the project and contribute. Just playing the game, spreading the love will get us to a future we all want to have.

[tawdry thunder]

Greed makes the bull market go round, and your wife very happy, then you can spend more time on illuvium

[lapis gulch]

Those is the case on coins without utility. ILV is a different case. It has value beyond it's nominal value. Having access to revdis and voting and future products/profits is something that neighter BTC, nor ETH provides. I'm pretty sure the first revdis we get will be a game changer on all people, that just use regular crypto logic on ILV.

[tawdry thunder]

So, what you are saying is ‘invest more’ and buy land

[lapis gulch]

I'm saying you should not be greedy. If the project hits it out of the park you're good anyway. No need to overexpose in order to reap awesome profits.

[tawdry thunder]

Definitely not in public anyway

[gusty gale]

Hi guys,
I scrolled a little but did not find an answer.
When will we be able to acquire some land? :)

[shrewd dome]

Sometime in November. No date set

[gusty gale]

Thanks, that's what I rezd but thought we already had dates :)

[shrewd dome]

Nope. After the trailer they might update us on dates

[autumn island]

The land purchase market will be on our website, where for now it says land coming soon

[gusty gale]

Thanks for your help! Do we already have an estimate about the price of the Dutch auctions?

[muted moth]

All guesses at this point. You can check out Stormi’s YouTube vid on land where he speculates some possibles selling prices, but nothing concrete for now

[gusty gale]

Many thanks! 👌

[autumn island]

The DAO will use ETH earn from land sale to swap ILV in the sushi pool, while holding the ILV they will share it to the staked ILV as RevDis.

The RevDis will be shown on the website where the vesting tag is now.

Therefore 1. there will be buying pressure to push ILV price to go up; 2. staked ILV holder's will receive free ILV as RevDis.

[shrewd dome]

We can talk more about it in #🥩〕staking if you want more info

[autumn island]

Sure, thanks for reminding😀

[vocal pasture]

How will that happen, is there any plan? Otherwise it may be easy to manipulate prices, pumping and dumping, due to insider trading....

[cosmic aspen]

the buys will be randomized, preventing botting and pump/dump events

[vocal pasture]

that! 😉 thanks!

[slow cedar]

Did they ever say how they'll do the rev dist to stop short term speculators benefitting too much from the land sale?

[cosmic aspen]

land sale revdis* will specifically be spread out over a long period of time

as will any similar sales that might raise a very large lump sum

[slow cedar]

Perfect, thanks Jeff. Hopefully it's not so long that I can't stake it on the 1 year 2.0 weighting

[tawdry merlin]

What the purpose of owning a land?

[icy stratus]

But technically it currently has no utility. It’s just a coin with fancy art right now.

[lapis gulch]

You can vote right now. And the first revdis is coming with V2 staking from DRACE cross promo.

[ivory vine]

You can vote right now. You get staking yield right now. You get revdis as of v2 staking. I wouldn't call that "no utility" 🙂

[little moon]

..

[next juniper]

I am bullish on ILV and I have a good amount staked but the estimated numbers people are tossing around seem crazy to me. Those prices would price-out like 95% of the people I think. Not many can drop an amount that is about the same cost or cheaper than real land.

Also, won’t the total number of land to be sold suppose to be 100,000 plots? They will not be extremely rare with that amount and should not command the kind of prices people are thinking?

[opal path]

going to be an exciting auction thats for sure

[livid tundra]

no, not everyone can. but this is crytpo...so there are a lot who can, and will. its a sad reality, but the land won't be affordable for everyone. thats just how it is

[lofty cape]

they are dropping 20,000 first so the land is going to depend on the price and then the price of resources

if resources are scarce the cost will go up making the land worth more, I just wonder the ROI on land, if I am dropping 20k when can I get that back in resources

a week, two months, a year? Who knows the cost/return is going to be the question

[paper flame]

How much will tier 1 land cost?

[ivory bough]

I suggest watching this https://youtu.be/n7V4wD6AUuE

[next juniper]

Yes. There is a lot of money in crypto and many have deep pockets. But you have to remember, not all those people are even aware of Illuvium or have any interest in gaming. That is just how it is?🧐

[paper flame]

@ivory bough I did watch. I think he guessed 5k for tier 1.

[ivory bough]

All are speculation, but I wouldn't pay more than $2k for T1. I would wait for it to drop and if I missed it, then I hav missed it 😄

[paper flame]

I'm hoping for $1000

[livid tundra]

well put it this way, the many thousands of people who bough illuvium early enough know about illuvium and should be in the 'can afford it' catagory

[next juniper]

There will be a lot of plots especially of T1… you may have a good chance at that price.

[paper flame]

I wish they made it easier for the poor man to partake.

[long lantern]

There is a free to play aspect in this game
!f2p <- @ivory bough

[paper flame]

Poor not broke. Who wants to play for free?

[next juniper]

We don’t know the prices. It is all speculation. No one really knows what the values will be. I would recommend you wait a little while after the lands begin to be auctioned. They will be in batches so you should wait it out to see what people are willing to pay. They will surely go down after a few batches have been auctioned.

[ivory bough]

!f2p you meant this?

[dry forge]

You begin our game with a free-to-play experience that immerses you in our richly-detailed world, lets you enjoy some action, and helps you understand how the game works. The free-to-play experience of the Tier 0 regions will familiarize you with Illuvium, and won’t feel like an “abridged” version of the game. It is a full-fledged gameplay experience! If you like it, you can then decide to opt in to the paid experience, start collecting NFTs from higher tiered regions, and delve into deeper adventures to explore the mysteries of the game where the NFTs you gather start to hold more value as well.

Just after game launch, when everyone starts fresh, you might even be able to sell free Tier 0 NFTs on the IlluviDEX for ETH, but there is no guarantee for that.

[umbral hull]

I will be a paid player, but honestly I hope that all options are open to f2p players, even if it just means they have to grind more. I feel that this is critical for building a thiving economy.

Even when you think about old school WoW, there were people buying up low-level weapons/items in the auction house. That's the kind of thing that Illuvium needs.

[next juniper]

I agree, catering to only paid players and those who are invested is a recipe for failure as a huge percentage of the player base will be free to play. The game economy needs them. Remember that League of Legends was a game you had to purchase, it was failing until they decided to switch it to f2p model. Not the same thing here with Illuvium, but trying to prove a point that f2p players and low pay to play players are needed as well for the game to thrive.

[versed skiff]

hi all, rewards in LP staking shows APY, does it auto compound?

[livid tundra]

starts to compound once claimed. until then, builds up in a rewards pool

[versed skiff]

got it, thank u

[slim ice]

Hello guys, I have a simple question that I cannot find any info on.

I know you will be able to sell the mined resources you get on illuvium zero on the illuvidex. But how do the lands themselves relate to the main gain? How can owners of a T5 terrain organise a tournament in their terrain if those terrains are only used in the illuvium zero mobile interface.

So, how are illuvium zéro mobile terrains connected to the main illuvium "physical" world?

[potent dock]

Thematically, IL:Z takes place in the outlying regions of the world we're landed on. Bots are sent out to mine resources to send back to the crashed ship. So you don't travel to those regions directly in Illuvium normal gameplay, but having a tournament out there kinda makes sense.

[livid tundra]

They arent at this point. They are seperate games. The actual physical illuvium zero land doesnt connect to the main game aside from selling the fuel they need. For the stadium, when they have tournaments (I dont believe you as the land owner arrange it, although technically you could) but, when there is a tourney, they host it in one of the 7 virtual stadiums which is on t5 land and you profit from it

[slim ice]

So every terrain from ILZ will have a location in the main illuvium game? I feel like I'm really not getting this

[livid tundra]

no, they are seperate lands and will not correlate. you dont go to illuvium zero lands when playing the main illuvium game

different games, different planets

[slim ice]

So how do you host a **tournament * in main illuvium if you can't go to the land it is hosted on since T5 terrains are on ILZ?

Meant tournament sorry, not game

[livid tundra]

I suppose that depends on how the tournament is set up and broadcast. It will likely be built somewhere into the game where you join the tourney to play or watch and it takes you to whatever land its on

[potent dock]

Thematically you could take a shuttle there, or walk, or just a jetpack.

Think of the game area for IL:Z like the next city over from you - you likely don't go there often, but it's possible. They are set on the same planet, IL:Z is just not set in the "main" game area of the planet.

[slim ice]

I see what you mean ok, but I think the concept is so confusing in that regard

[livid tundra]

i believe they are seperate planets

[slim ice]

They are the same planet though, that's the reason illuvium zero will reset after at the launch time of the main game, right?

[potent dock]

Same planet.

Have a look through "Story" in the GDD

[livid tundra]

true. i misunderstood. i thought thery drones were jettisoned somewhere else before the crash, not same planet. thanks for info

[potent dock]

The idea is you're gathering resources and sending them back to the main base (Fuel) and learning about the planet through research and scanning.

[slim ice]

Ohk well thank you guys, the final answer is then Thematically

[potent dock]

I'm not sure specifically how travelling to arenas on Land will be addressed thematically to be honest, but thematically the games are connected through story elements.

[slim ice]

Also, do you guys know if in the auction all tiers will be available to purchase at the same time or will they first auction all the t5 then all the t4, and so on until t1? Or maybe they will start by all the t1 to t5 ?

[potent dock]

I think they will be done in blocks, as per Johnny. Let me dig the post up. Note that the example of how large a block will be (I think the given example is 100 plots at once) is just an example, and that number may change.

[slim ice]

Ohk but let's say it's 100 plots at once, is it all tiers at the same time or in order

[potent dock]

Blocks would be mixed, but I think we will be able to see what will go on sale beforehand, so that someone looking for T4 or T5 (of which, for T5 specifically, there may only be 1 or even none in the first sale) knows when the sale is happening for the block they are interested in.

[slim ice]

Ohhhhk thank you

[potent dock]

Johnny has a lot of posts and I can't find the one I'm looking for atm, but feel free to browse what he's said here in the past, there's a LOT of information about the game AND land sale.

[slim ice]

I will thanks for the tip 👍🏻

[amber atlas]

you don't have to physically walk to a place to play PvP autobattle games

entering a tournament would simply be a matter of selecting "Enter Tournament" in the lobby

(assuming you qualify for that tournament, etc, etc)

in terms of the physical map the area in which the main overworld game takes place is a reserved area on the map (one in each region)

but you can't venture out of these bounds in to player owned land plots

[simple estuary]

Land sale after game released? Will there be a lottery-style implementation on this as I feel the bot accounts will swoop in so hard on this no matter the price.. Seeing how Sandbox / Axie and other projects sell their products there has to be a better way. A lottery where you stake an amount of ETH and if you're successful then it is withdrawn... Just an idea

[livid tundra]

a frickin lottery?

[amber atlas]

unless we don't like the first Dutch auction I assume we would continue with Dutch auction

the only way a bot can 'swoop in' on a Dutch auction is to pay more than others

which is great for ILV holders

[simple estuary]

Tell me how it is a fairer distribution on a fixed price?

[amber atlas]

(although pretty pointless for the bot owner)

[livid tundra]

its not a fixed price

[amber atlas]

in any case we will observe the first sale, and the community and council will decide via IIP

I assume if it works well we stick with it, but who knows

[simple estuary]

Bots front-run so many projects and actual users who want to be a part of the game left with a $600 ETH fee with no mint or sale

[amber atlas]

you can't front run a Dutch Auction, except by paying a higher price

[mortal merlin]

Its a dutch auction.

[amber atlas]

I mean if someone wants to set there bot to buy land at a million dollars a piece to "win"

good for them 🙂

we will just enjoy the revdis of 20 billion dollars (not a real revenue projection TM)

[muted moth]

Good for us lol😂

[simple estuary]

when is land sale?

ETH used for sales?

[amber atlas]

land sale date is not confirmed yet

ETH and sILV for sale (but not combined, one land must be paid for with all ETH or all sILV)

[simple estuary]

I mean... Dutch sales are not a very ethical way of conducting business. But it seems its the only way that works in this Meta space. This happens in Real Estate or anywhere IRL and you're off it

[loud yew]

hey guys! im looking for someone talented in graphic design to do some basic photo adjusting/editing for an illuvium guide (that will be all about illuvium zero too of course). anyone interested? DM if you're up to it, would love your help, and itll be super helpful to the ILV community 🙂

[amber atlas]

it is not ethical to let the buyer but at the price they want? to provide the best mechanism we can think of to avoid gas wars? to provide the option that was discussed and widely agreed with the community?

[simple estuary]

I don't wish to offend... I did say that; it's the only method that works in this space... But why can't there be a fixed price? Financially I will be able to come in and buy but this method often prices out the less fortunate

[amber atlas]

fixed price in blockchain world just means gas wars

[simple estuary]

yes it does...

[amber atlas]

you will probably pay more, or more likely you just wont get the land

also our goal is to maximise the generated revenue, that revenue gets distributed to the ILV holders, there's no reliable way for us to get the price right

[simple estuary]

That is why is mentioned a lottery system... fixed price and distributed fairly, I know it will all sell out

but Dutch Auction has greed written all over it for me... I had a deal on a house that went to contract and it was torn up because a city buyer came in over the top of me.. Wasn't illegal because the owners hadn't signed

[amber atlas]

in any case this ship is sold, but to suggest that a mechanism is not ethical is taking it a bit too far, we will provide all of the information about the game, the auction, and so on, the contract is there for you to read, we will be clear that we can't make any statement about fututre revenues or sale prices

if an uninformed buyer overpays, well that's because they are stupid, not because the system is unethical

[potent dock]

While fair, a lottery system doesn't serve the DAO. We are hoping to maximize revenue for token holders and for the long term health of the project via revdis paid to ILV holders and the treasury.

It can also be exploited through multiple accounts/wallets etc. This happens with NFT whitelists and lotteries all the time.

[simple estuary]

agreed

[amber atlas]

right so you are basing this on a totally unrelated system, coming over the top of someone is not possible in a Dutch auction, and that literally cannot happen given out dutch auction will be encoded in a solidity contract

[muted moth]

Hey Johnny, not sure if this has been said yet or if you guys even know yet, but do you plan to have batches going on sale at all time of day? I know there are people all over the world looking to get into land, and wanted to know if this was planned or not.

[lofty cape]

do we know which company is going to be hosting the auction?

[simple estuary]

Just thoughts man... I'm buying the shit out of the land plots! I love this project I feel that you're getting super heated

[amber atlas]

not heated but unethical is a big word to throw around

I vehemently disagree with it

[simple estuary]

I can tell

[amber atlas]

yes, sale will be in batches that release every X, and last for Y, current thinking is about x=1, y=4

[muted moth]

They are building a custom site where they will be hosting the auction. So no company

[lofty cape]

I hope so with a lot of NFT games and NFTs in general it's been a train wreck for most lol

[amber atlas]

we are writing our own contract, and creating out own sale app, similar to balancer sale we think we can do a better job than the defaults... having a custom map view is pretty important also

[pulsar carbon]

On a completely different note, how good are the current sILV exchange options (to ILV or ETH)? Are the easy enough to use, or somewhat obscure?

[amber atlas]

not sure if von has leaked anything of the land sale app, but it looks sick

[lofty cape]

@amber atlas Just like Amazon... we can do it better so just leave it to us, we got this... I love the idea!

[potent dock]

There are no officially supported sILV exchanges (i.e. Illuvium doesn't have a program in place to provide liquidity), but Uniswap seems pretty stable for sILV to ETH. Just be cautious if there's ever low liquidity, or you could overpay by a lot.

Uniswap is very easy to use IMO, it's just like any other DEX.

[simple estuary]

@amber atlas no hard feelings? There'll be an announcement I'm assuming when you're ready to release lan plots?

[lofty cape]

They said all things will be known at least a week prior

[pulsar carbon]

I'm not too worried about using one myself. In point of fact, I'm working on an exchange for sILV/ILV and sILV/ETH with more features/visibility. I just wanted to know if there was still a niche for it or if someone else has already done it properly.

[amber atlas]

no hard feelings, its just we have to fight that kind of thinking from the "regular world" and we do a lot of stuff to ensure everything we are doing is in line with the law whilst honoring the ideals of a DAO

[potent dock]

I haven't seen an ILV/sILV LP at all yet. I'm sure there'd be a market for it though.

[amber atlas]

(in positive news did anyone see that Australia may recognize a DAO as a corporate entity... woo!)

[simple estuary]

This project is so clean... Been staking for months and loving the development. Got a big pool of sILV so I'm pumped that I can use this for land sales!

[muted moth]

Just curious, what benefits does that give to the DAO?

[pulsar carbon]

Excellent. Any idea if I'd be able to get a new exchange officially approved if I did it right?

[lofty cape]

I just figure setting aside $20k for land sale is not a bad idea lol not sure how many plots you can own

[amber atlas]

I think I have to step carefully in this topic, maybe something to discuss with people who aren't core-contributors

[potent dock]

That's miles beyond my ability to say.

[pulsar carbon]

Fair enough. Thanks for the help regardless.

[potent dock]

^Information Disseminator only 😉

[muted moth]

Lol no problem. If you say it’s good, that’s all I need! Thanks for answering our questions

[long lantern]

@amber atlas general question and this is no way supposed to be disrespectful. the ILV prototype video released, the game looks super fun and good! But, do we expect the ENVIRONMENT graphics will improve in quality? The desert land looks repetitive and overwhelming compared to the high quality buildings and ui assets

[lofty cape]

@long lantern with a ton still under development I would wait till the final product is revealed 🙂

[amber atlas]

yes, but its not going to be orders of magnitude better: more variation, more trees/rocks/small features, but in the end it is still a flat place to build stuff

[long lantern]

thats what I meant, was hoping there would be some variation. thanks a ton and I love all your work on IZ so far 😄 (i plan to play this game so much, not sure if i will be good enough for the auto-battler)

[amber atlas]

honestly right now it was just a single texture from the main game, spat on to a tile, it took one of the env artists like 15 minutes to export one for each region

[lofty cape]

I love the building aspect and that might be where the end of my ILV goes 👍 I promise to farm everyday to keep us going with resources

[amber atlas]

so yeah will definitely be better, but don't expect something like 3d terrain 🙂

[lofty cape]

I have 4 weeks of vacation saved... going to get rough live streaming Zero

[pulsar carbon]

You know, looking at the amount of sILV already claimed, I'm going to be very surprised if T5 land isn't valued in the millions.

[amber atlas]

☕ time

[autumn island]

You have to understand 100% of the revenue goes to stakers, not a cent going to the team because their team ILV is not allowed to stake. What they are doing here are supper fair and open and honored.

[simple estuary]

did not know that! look, I'm in heavy already with staking... I plan to buy and play the hell out of this game

I guess there is just some Socialist element to my being that wants everyone involved no matter their financial situation

[amber atlas]

that is a totally reasonable view

remember though people can play the game without paying, you just can't earn revenue

[autumn island]

After all any proposal are decided by the community, you can have your say as a staker next time some new iip iccp come up. I am sure your view will be respected the same way you respect the system, with fair voting.

[amber atlas]

I'm hoping to make the game, you know ... fun 🙂

I mean casual builder type games aren't everyone's cup of tea, but we have tried to put a fair bit of strategy in to it, as well as aesthetic design type elements

[autumn island]

(couldn't find it, care to share a link?)

[next juniper]

I believe a lot of that was claimed just to be sold though. Many wanted to get some of their investment back without having to wait, so they sold it at a huge discount compared to ILV. A lot have also scooped up the sILV at a huge discount to save for the launch, land sale etc.

[amber atlas]

I only have a paywall link behind AFR

here's one: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/07/15/australian-lawyers-propose-creation-of-a-dao-legal-entity-report/

[pulsar carbon]

Even so, the thing is, there's 23 million worth of sILV out there, and if the voting history is any indication, there's going to be a small handful of addresses with the vast majority of it.

[autumn island]

Ok I will search in AFR, I have account

[amber atlas]

in that case: https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/digital-lawyers-call-for-a-new-legal-entity-the-dao-limited-20210715-p589wp

wait thats an old one

https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/senate-report-proposes-model-to-regulate-the-crypto-economy-20211020-p591jh

[autumn island]

Thanks. This could be the pump up in ILV price by sophisticated Sunday morning news reader🤣 (sorry off topic, I will stop here)

[amber atlas]

hah

[bleak stratus]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[thorn moon]

All speculation, but I think common consensus is $1000-2000

I’d guess around 2-4 ILV

[nova grail]

Hey guys will it be possible to buy land with ETH?

[muted moth]

Yep. ETH or sILV. Just not a combo of both

[nova grail]

Awesome! Thanks

[mortal merlin]

Gotta correct you on that. The team token receive revdis.

[autumn island]

Thank you for correction, got to learn the details. So seed and team token not staked but receive revdis, until released in March they can choose to withdraw/trade or stake, right?

[mortal merlin]

Presale/Seed/Team tokens are staked in a 0 weight pool with 2.0 token weight.

[pulsar carbon]

How much is the amount of team tokens vs general distributions again?

[mortal merlin]

So they receive revdis since they are staked but no yield farming rewards since their pool weight is 0.

[mortal merlin]

Medium Article #9

1.5M for the team.

[pulsar carbon]

Do SLP tokens receive anything for revdis?

[mortal merlin]

Yes

[autumn island]

got it, make sense, I will note that. Thanks.

[pulsar carbon]

Hm. So if my math is right, we've got a little over 5 million tokens in play (10 million total - 3.25 million in undistributed rewards - 1.5 million in treasury). If we assume 40 million$ of tokens are spent on the land sale (23 million$ of SILV already exists, assume most of that spent plus an equal amount of ETH), that would work out to 8$ per token, for a roughly 1% dividend for staked holders.

[pulsar carbon]

This auction contract, will it be published ahead of time? One of the things I know has been raised before is the possibility of a DAO specifically for us non-whales to pool our assets for buying higher tier land, but that's only feasible if no trust is required. (That is, if there's a way to bid with the pooled sILV or ETH without having to trust any one person with an intermediary.)

[glad laurel]

Treasury gets RevDis, that's how operations continue to be funded after the initial token sale $ runs out.

[unborn pilot]

Couldn't a bot in theory target a specific piece of land, but in such a way that they frontrun the first buyer and buy it first? Thereby acquiring the land they want, but at the lowest possible price (i.e. the price it would have been bought by someone else at)

[muted moth]

With the dutch auction, there is no way for the bot to know when someone will buy. If I decide I am going to buy at 1000$, the bot can't know that and buy at 1010$ if that makes sense

[unborn pilot]

There actually is though. A bot can frontrun your transaction as soon as you're ready to buy it at $1000, and buy it for $1000 (in theory)

Basically a bot could potentially say, I want to buy 50 T1 lands at a maximum price of $5000 a piece, but won't necessarily pay $5000 a piece. Instead, it'll wait until a land drops below $5000, and when the very first transaction by a normal buyer is broadcasted to buy the land at say, $4000, the bot which is monitoring the transaction mempool frontruns that transaction with higher gas and gets processed before the normal buyer's. This way they would get the lands they want at the lowest price possible

[muted moth]

Ah I see what you are saying. Hopefully that doesn't happen

[unborn pilot]

Yeah same.. just pointing out a potential blindspot that maybe there's a way to address it, but I could really see it happening. Have seen a whole range of different ways that bots have exploited various sales. There would definitely be good reason for someone to do it if they have the capital, to pay say $200k for 50 T1's instead of $400k or more

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!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[livid tundra]

If the possibility to front run a transaction is going to be a possibility regardless of the style of sale since there needs to be a transaction to purchase, at least this way it will be at the highest possible price.

[hasty wagon]

hi gm gm gm. any rough ideas how much T3 Illuvium Land would be?

what are the community's thoughts so far?

[muted moth]

imo, 50k+. But there is nothing for me really base that off of, so it is just a guess

[hasty wagon]

ok, fair enough.. and that would be in $ETH right?

[muted moth]

ETH or sILV

[hasty wagon]

damn.. so Axie Land + Illuvium Land roughly $80k
https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-omg-really-whatever-bye-gif-13634171

[mystic solstice]

So for the land sale do we just need a MetaMask or is there more

[jagged canyon]

I think it is any compatible wallet and enough ETH or sILV

[lethal trail]

Is it possible to use trezor connected to metamask in the auction?

[iron bough]

yous think 10 Sliv is enough for atless T2??

[dire tiger]

No one knows for sure yet. You can find some speculation here

https://youtu.be/UBpaPbbXu4g

[glad storm]

Can anyone pin this pls?

[ivory bough]

They are all in #🎨〕community-content more than one vid

[glad storm]

Nvm just read earlier

[glad storm]

10k is my bald guess

[candid elk]

That’s a very good point and actually the first time I see it. Has it been brought up to the team before?

[coarse wave]

this is scary as retail shrimp.

[potent pollen]

Do we know the date of the start of the sale of land? I read that 6 weeks 6 weeks ago which is the end of this or the beginning of the next month. Is it possible that it will be in 6 weeks from today?

[ivory bough]

6 weeks is an approximate date. it starts from now to the end of November. Can happen in between

[potent pollen]

Thanks

[little moon]

What would a tier 1 cost? And any estimates on what you can earn by buying it?

[ivory bough]

I suggest watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7V4wD6AUuE if you haven't already. Stormi can give you some ideas

[main crag]

This is great - thanks for sharing

[ivory bough]

Anytime brother 🙂 the credit goes to @ivory vine

[main crag]

@ivory vine 👍

[inland smelt]

Hi guys, except for selling to other players, what else can we do with Elements when we've reached the maximum building limit?

[lapis gulch]

That would probably be it. But I imagine this will take quite a while to accomplish. Also maybe scanning and research can use them?

[inland smelt]

Yeah, I saw that in video, it take only 5 Silicon per scan. I don't know whether 5 Silicon is a large number or not, but I think that's not a big problem with land T3 or T4. I'm thinking what if 100k land had reached building cap, and no one need to buy elements anymore, then what should we do with elements ? 🤔

[fallow igloo]

Im pretty sure it’s elements that are locked to your account because they aren’t ERC-20 tokens, it’s the fuels that can be sold. But you can use a converter to convert you excess elements into fuel

[inland smelt]

Seem like it will not work like an ERC-20 token, but @amber atlas said that there would be a marketplace for element
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[inland smelt]

And I've checked GDD again, converter can only convert element -> another element, fuel -> another fuel, not element -> fuel

[fallow igloo]

Ahhh I didn’t see that, thanks for pointing it out

[viscid solar]

This is a problem on VeVe NFT drops.

[fallow igloo]

I could of sworn you could convert it to fuel because that’s what we’re saying about t1 lands before they had a fuel site that you could use a converter to get a small amount of fuel

[inland smelt]

Yeah I remember that too. If you have time pls check out my question about what if some one cheat by generate a lot of elements then convert to fuel here:
#802110554784661544 message
Then Blickter said that Element can not be converted to Fuel 🤔

[fallow igloo]

You are correct, they only convert either element to element or fuel to fuel but fuel converters can also generate a small amount of fuel. This is a quote from Johnny “ you can always use the Converter structures to get any Fuel (once you have the required tech), but it will be slow, you will be waiting to gain resources, rather than actively building or doing”

[fallow igloo]

Here is the message #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[molten cape]

Hello, when is the land sale?

[livid tundra]

no confirmed date. expected to be in about 5 weeks

[amber narwhal]

if they said late oct and early november should it not be like in 3 weeks time?

[subtle shell]

@timid basin shares his views on the prices to be expected: https://youtu.be/kzViqFxm8jw

[wind briar]

Try to keep this only in #🎨〕community-content

[sand cypress]

Hello when will be the auction plz ?

[potent dock]

It should be in 5-6 weeks. Basically as soon as the team is ready 🙂

[sand cypress]

thanks

[jagged canyon]

Feel like that gets asked a lot...

[autumn island]

Many of us are excited of IZ and desire new information. Once we have FAQ for the land sale it would be easier to manage, I get lots of these questions from the Chinese community as well.

[lofty cape]

Within about the next 2 weeks we will know everything we need to prior to the sale

They are going to stagger the sale of land with 20,000 plots available

So it's going to be a long day if you looking to buy land lol

[torpid pollen]

Where did you get this information? It's great though...I just like to do my own research haha

[lofty cape]

Johnny in here

He was talking about a 4 to 1 timer so every X amount of hours more land is up and Y is the price reduction per hour

to server all players around the world with different time zones

Not sure how much I would have to scroll back lol it was last night

[torpid pollen]

Oh yes, I remember that he was saying that... I just didn't understand him then xd

[lofty cape]

They have also built their own platform for the land sale

[torpid pollen]

He said:
yes, sale will be in batches that release every X, and last for Y, current thinking is about x=1, y=4

[weary flint]

I hope they are not going to sell all the land in one day. Too long, painful

[torpid pollen]

I hope I will get one... Idc if it's going to be in one day or one week haha

[lofty cape]

I hope they just release more each hour or something lol I do not want it to be a week long

[autumn island]

The lands will be released in patches, and last for a fews day if not only one.

[lofty cape]

sitting on sILV waiting to spend it!

[autumn island]

They are also releasing the patches with random mix of different tiers. Everyone should have a fair chance at different time zone.

[lofty cape]

I also wonder on the amount of land one can purchase like a NFT mint

do not want someone buying up all the T1 land!

[autumn island]

but purchaser can easily by pass it by using different wallet

[muted moth]

Johnny said he was thinking 4-5 days

[torpid pollen]

Was this statement somewhere written or that's like your speculation?

[lofty cape]

We need the Johnny cliff notes!

[autumn island]

It's in the chat leaked by Johnny, very trustful source

[autumn island]

Stormi did a video of that, very helpful

[torpid pollen]

I am going to take a look at that video right now... thanks man... Once I will be done I am coming back haha

[autumn island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7V4wD6AUuE&t=602s

It's more about the feature of ZERO, limited info on land sale

[torpid pollen]

I have seen this video already and I didn't catch the information that you are talking about. I thought it's in the new video he uploaded...

[autumn island]

here is the new one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADkoiy6dR1A

[muted moth]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/901593467296309248 Here is where he talks about the batches

[autumn island]

Thanks👍

[torpid pollen]

X=1 is amount of what? batches or like 1 land? and Y=4, that's like a hour and after that the price will drop according to the Dutch auction?

Damn man... I have lot of researching to do with this game hahahaha

[muted moth]

So I think it is a batch releases every x hour and lasts for y hours. So in Johnny's example where he says x=1 and y=4, a new batch would release every hour and it would last for 4 hours to go from starting price to zero. Most likely, the price will never get to zero tho

[torpid pollen]

OH!!! So that's how the auction will work... I thought that every 4 hours the price will drop for some amount until the price will meet demand...

[muted moth]

Nah. So during the 4 hours, it will drop from top price to zero. Though since the price will never get to zero because we will all buy before then, that batch will finish before 4 hours. So 3 or maybe 3 1/2 hours before all the land in that batch is sold

[weary flint]

All the sales will be in batch?

[muted moth]

Yep. But we don't know the size of the batches yet

[weary flint]

I see. thanks

[muted moth]

So the only thing that doesn't get wiped at launch are the blueprints that you discover

[amber atlas]

batch (in the quoted post) simply refers to when the plots go on sale... you don't have to buy a whole batch

(in case that wasn't clear)

[muted moth]

Yea let me clarify; a batch will be x amount of lands that go on sale at the same time. Say x=20 (theoretical) all 20 of those lands go on sale and have the same time to buy. You don't buy all 20 (unless you want to), you just have the opportunity to buy any of those 20 if that makes sense

As far as the 2 weeks goes, I have not heard of that and would not rely on that. As far as staggering the sales of the batches of land, Johnny said that here: https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/901593467296309248

It just shows how much you have participated in this discord and what rank you are. For Valain Survivor, you have to be level 2, and for Valain Ranger, you have to be level 5. You can type ! rank in #👑〕bot-commands to see what level you are at

[lofty cape]

@sweet carbon Johnny shared the info on staggering the sale due to time zones etc, with the land sale being next month he also shared they are trying to get the info to us in a timely fashion prior to the sale. Two weeks takes us a week into Nov... not to much time left lol

[odd pumice]

Does someone know if there'll be a whitelisting for the land sale or just a puplic (dutch auction) sale?

[muted moth]

Just public to keep it fair

[odd pumice]

Love it, that's actually really great.

[lofty cape]

It is public on a site the team has designed

[odd pumice]

Does someone know when they'll actually announce the exact sales date?

[muted moth]

Probably not until early-mid November

[lofty cape]

they have not shared the screen shots but they said it's crazy cool, they said we will have everything we need to know a week prior or more

[odd pumice]

That's cool. Really looking forward to this 😁

[lofty cape]

I honestly I think the land prices will start much higher than players think 🙂

[amber atlas]

yes, they will start high and fall fast, the rate of price decay slows over time

not sure everyone has really understood that

[lofty cape]

I know I tried to explain that to a lot, their going to see the price and be like OMG bye!

[muted moth]

So kinda like a 1/x function?

[amber atlas]

exact function hasn't been decided but something like that

[lofty cape]

so IF T4 starts at $50,000 it will slide fast lol

[muted moth]

Yea, but I think T4 will start WAAAAAAAY higher than 50k lol

[amber atlas]

I don't want to delve in to price speculation but I'm confident in agreeing with that

[muted moth]

You guys still speculating that starting price will be roughly 10x what you think it goes for?

[amber atlas]

that's only my view, others might prefer 5x or 20x

[lofty cape]

T4 land for $500,000 sounds about right!

[amber atlas]

in the end thats mostly a marketing decision, for reasons like @lofty cape mentioned above (people being scared away by too high a start price)

[muted moth]

Cool. Man I am excited for this

[buoyant wasp]

I think everyone is eager to know the plot ratio so we can speculate on price more accurately 🙂

[lofty cape]

make me sell my NFTs to get land! lol

[muted moth]

I am just eager to see the land map lol. I want a poster

[lofty cape]

Going to do a ILZ video tonight anything you want to include @amber atlas

[odd pumice]

Is the Land going to be flat or are there going to be valley's and mountains? Or in other words, will we be able to utilize every pixel or are there going to be "natural" limitations?

[muted moth]

It is going to be flat, but there may be just slight variations in terrain for stylistic effects. Ex: a tree there, cluster of rocks there etc. Every square of land will be usable

[odd pumice]

Cool 👌

I guess when we buy it's going to be random so that no one will be able to see what kind of recourses they're getting, right?

[muted moth]

So when buying, you will know its coordinates on the map (which will tell you what region) and you will know the tier. Resource sites are randomized on purchase. I recommend reading through this great doc Johnny posted a couple weeks ago: https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/857471213513605140/895516905190875187

[odd pumice]

Thank you 🙏

[thorny crater]

Do we know the coordinates of each region? I want nature

[muted moth]

We will for the sale yes

[autumn island]

I want water, after seeing what Von leaked with amazing water bubble animation

[muted moth]

Not to burst your bubble (sorry couldn’t help myself😂) but those pretty animations and high quality plants won’t be in IZ. Though I agree, I want my land to be in Halcyon Sea as well

[torpid pollen]

what is the link to the site please?))

[leaden bear]

Gm guys i'm new here... Im interested in the land sale happening later this year and the FAQ directed me to illuvium zero... but not sure what illuvium zero actually is!? Can anyone assist?

[muted moth]

Not out yet

[muted moth]

Here is a link to the original design doc. It is not all accurate now, but it should give you a good idea of the game: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf

[torpid pollen]

Thank you man, I will be looking out for it haha 💯

[leaden bear]

thankyou. any details on the land sale happening later in the year?

[muted moth]

All we know is that it will most likely be next month; more info will be out as the sale approaches

[viscid solar]

Sorry for a basic question, but are land plots NFTS themselves?

[muted moth]

Yep

[autumn island]

lol I can handle bubble poping🤣 still though really like the Halcyon Sea and water element in general

[trim swallow]

In the land in this game what would the main benefit be

[viscid solar]

Hide dead bodies

[muted moth]

Yea me too. Definitely my first choice. Hopefully we get to see an example of each of the regions before the sale to see what they look like

[viscid solar]

Generate up to 6 resources or 3 fuel types for personal use or marketplace

[viscid solar]

@timid basin dropped a good review of land today here https://youtu.be/kzViqFxm8jw

[autumn island]

Johnny mentioned not very much of the graphic will be done for alpha test when we buy lands, but there are plenty of time for improvement before main game launch. (background will be updated in alpha and that's most of it I guess)

[muted moth]

Yea. I just hope we get to see the difference in terrain before buying. Ex: crimson wastes had a red ground, would Halcyon have blue for water, or like a sandy color? It doesn’t really matter lol but I love ocean themes so it’d be nice to see an example of each

[trim swallow]

Thx

[autumn island]

Can they just use those beautiful art work as background?

[muted moth]

For real. Where’d you find that one? I don’t think I’ve seen it

[autumn island]

It's for the main game I think, as drafted much earlier

[muted moth]

It’s beautiful

[autumn island]

It is

[trim swallow]

The graphic 😭😭 so high

[autumn island]

We have the best team here.

[viscid solar]

If it’s gonna be in apple App Store, I hope the graphics at least are on par with modern simple clicker/building games. Not super dumbed down, not super high res, but at least “interesting”. Like plants or trees swaying, water waves/ripples when touched would be cool. Even early 2010 koi pond iPhone games did that .

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!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[long tendon]

Ayiiii... i had this channel muted for some reason and have missed several days lol. Has there been a new leak on I:Z?

[autumn island]

The land sell is happening tonight

lol sorry I was kidding

Can’t help to tease you when you said you muted us

[long tendon]

Hahaha i didnt do it on purpose though. Mustve accidentally clicked it. Or my toddler did it one time when i left my pc unchecked lol.

Gonna be looking at johnnya's messages for his leaks lol

[autumn island]

I noted these two you may have a look. not so much as update or any offical info released:

#💰〕token message

#💰〕token message

I can't find it now but potential bot purchasing was pointed out, and we would want to prevent it since the auctions are designed to be a fair system

[viscid solar]

I’m so glad someone did it 💁🏼‍♀️😂

[long tendon]

Thanks! Nothing of note in I:Z channel itself? 😀

[long tendon]

Almost fell for it but i remember they were gonna announce it a week or so before then lol

[autumn island]

No, not from my memory.

[cosmic kestrel]

Any guess what land will cost? Are we thinking more than an eth?

[autumn island]

have a look at #🎨〕community-content the latest video by Vetemor did some prediction

[cosmic kestrel]

Cool, thanks. Still figuring out my way around here. About to stake for the first time. Very exciting.

[autumn island]

The price prediction from that video is the lowest I have seen so far lol, not financial advice but if you find auction price go crazy high, you better off put your money into stake. You get revenue from ETH spent on land by others if you stake

[cosmic kestrel]

Yeah, I assumed from the beginning the land would be crazy. Just figuring out what's best long term.

[autumn island]

If it's for fun or for collection, then land is much more entertainment than staking for sure

[viscid solar]

$ > fun 💯

[autumn island]

fun > $ 😎

[thorny crater]

$ = bonus^2

[viscid solar]

Well we have different priorities then. If I wanted fun I’d play my Xbox all day instead of planning to fight for ETH

[autumn island]

I think you are right in that example. But if I play gamefi only for the $, I would be bored enough to sleep on my keyboard in other games like 3 pets making baby or battle.

[long tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-have-both-both-celebrate-happy-gif-4997058

[autumn island]

yeah both, find a balance in between.

[cyan pelican]

Money = Fun And fun = More money (lol problem solved)

[inland smelt]

Great! So element can be converted to fuel. This will solve all of my problem about excess Elements. But that is old message, since T1 also has fuel site now, I affraid that that wont happen anymore.
@amber atlas would you mind re-confirm this ? About can element be converted to fuel using converter.

[amber atlas]

reread that I think... Elements can be converted to Elements, Fuels can be converted to Fuels, Elements cannot be converted to Fuel

the passive Fuel generation of a Fuel Converter does not require an input

that said conversion is a concept that sits on top of the underlying sytem, the underlying system is: Resource In + Time = Resource Out

there will be ongoing actions which require Elements as "Resource In"

although once you are full built up it is likely (or at least possible, depending on what you build) that you will eventually have excess Elements

[limpid terrace]

is conversion going to be done at a fixed rate (i.e every 2 hydrogen can be converted into 1 carbon) or would it be more of an exponential based conversion, meaning the more you convert at a time the more beneficial (less loss)?

[inland smelt]

Ohh, that'd be a pity if we have too much excess Elements with no use, especially for T4, T5. So, it would be a big advantage for anyone buy land at the early time then sell Elements to the new players.
Another question: how can elements be sellable on marketplace ? It's now an ERC-20 token right ?

[amber atlas]

it is fixed depending on efficiency of the building

Elements are not an ERC-20, they exist in the game world only

this could change later, but I don't know if there is really enough to motivate them being on the blockchain

possibly just motivated by the ideal of everything being on the blockchain

but in any case they wont be ERC-20 to start

[amber atlas]

in most games there are lower class resources that just aren't important to high-level players, so worrying about elements is more early/mid game concern

once you are fully built up you will still need them, but they will be very easily sourced such that you don't really 'care' about them

[limpid terrace]

So elements are only used in IZ? Does that mean that they are only useful for the land that you generate them on? (can't trade/send to other land plots etc) As you mentioned before, there will be lots of actions that require Elements as a 'resource in' so I'm guessing that means elements will have lots of 'sinks' (ways to use them) and that will grow as the game continues to devlop.

[amber atlas]

we expect the ability to trade them to open up, but its not a day one system so its not well fleshed out

(and at least as yet not a beta/v2 system either... but that might change)

[limpid terrace]

Oh yeah fair enough, I wouldn't expect that from day one lol. Glad to hear there's already been thought into being able to trade it though

[amber atlas]

yeah the challenge is really around killing the early game, if you are willing to buy credits to speed up early game, and have capacity to trade for Elements, then you will move to end game really quickly

maybe this is okay... but it needs some thought

will think about it post alpha 🙂

[limpid terrace]

That makes sense. kinda just like most other similar games, you get a massive advantage by paying to speed up progress and developing faster.
I'm sure after IZ beta(?) there will be heaps of vids about the most efficient way to build, what you should spend credits on for speeding up and what not to hahaha

[amber atlas]

it can actually lead to some interesting end game decisions, if you have a healthy mix of element sites, maybe you, for example, can get rid of most of your storage... so you kinda aim for just-in-time supply chain like you would in manufacturing

[limpid terrace]

ooh that is a really interesting concept. can't wait to see all the different ways people build and optimize their plots!

[inland smelt]

Did you have any ideas about how it can be sell on marketplace ? a P2P system or something like that.

[amber atlas]

yeah, if not on the blockchain we would do something like that (well to be clear P2P conceptually but it would happen via the server, the server has data about what's on each plot)

but really it is just a 'wait and see' at this point

[viscid solar]

Credits to “Speed up” : will sILV be useable for credits?

[inland smelt]

cool, very much appreciate all of your replies ^^ Hope to play it soon.

[amber atlas]

in v1 (alpha) probably not, in v2 (beta) yes

[autumn island]

Have this been thought about, having infinity levels to grow but each level up require x times elements of the previous level up requirement, sooner or later the requirement will be so large near impossible. But we still see the elements are useful.

[viscid solar]

Thanks, how do we get credits then? ETH?

[amber atlas]

in alpha there are two ways to get credits, through IAP on the associated mobile store, and by selling things you have already built (basically you can get some of your 'time' back)

[viscid solar]

Thanks for your time @amber atlas 😁

[amber atlas]

we may have a release between alpha and beta for this, but I think it will make more sense just to wait

without the full server functionality of the beta, anything to do with payments gets a bit tricky

[inland smelt]

More detail about selling building here:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[viscid solar]

Will this be on apple App Store? And buying credits via fiat > IAP ?

[amber atlas]

plan is play store and app store, although Apple isn't exactly friendly to NFT based apps right now

[viscid solar]

VeVe is #4 on the App Store and makin TONS for Marvel, I think you’ll be ok 👌🏻

[inland smelt]

As an iOS developer, and has been rejected by Apple many times, I would say that would be tough, especially for blockchain things...

[viscid solar]

They even switching from Go to immutable this week

[amber atlas]

I think the issue is NFTs that cannot be purcahsed via Apple, for example they blocked gnosis updates for simply showing NFTs

[viscid solar]

Nah VeVe Ecomi is 100% NFTs , and killin it on apple. They been working on their MTL for 7 mos and will be finished nov for OMI to NFT and Gem to fiat cash outs to bank accts worldwide

[amber atlas]

in any case we will work with our Apple reps and come up with a solution as best we can

[autumn island]

This way we farm our lands with valuable building for the time input, so we are proper developer instead of only flipping lands for those who want to.