🎮〕illuvium-zero

[fossil flicker]

Ola

[inland smelt]

And seem like that invite link direct ppl to illuvium:zero

Hi, head to #📣〕announcements to read the instruction of giveaway

[fossil flicker]

Entendi nada deste jogo

[inland smelt]

#808499666639388682

[fossil flicker]

#808499666639388682

[inland smelt]

I mean, click in it to head to the portuguese community

[mortal merlin]

Joining the discord.

[little moon]

Hi to all.

[solar trench]

Hello everyone. Just want to ask, were there already winners for the free 10 ILV?

[wispy warren]

Hoping for the chance of 10 ILV.

[inland smelt]

@wispy warren Not sure what you guys mean about the free 10 ILV. I’ve received an email too but the content not mentioned anything about that 😵‍💫

[robust sierra]

Hellloooo!

Yeah. Me too

[solar trench]

Oh i see thanks for the replies. I think we just got to wait. Good thing this discord group is still available. 😅

[barren cave]

Hey guys

[coarse ledge]

Hey guys. Anyone can guide me (or give me a link where I can learn) how to buy sILV? I'm planning to convert my ETH to sILV and use it instead for the land sale. Thanks! 🙂

[vivid cipher]

Not yet. You are eligible for the drawing.

[vivid cipher]

!Contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[ember compass]

There are unofficial pools with limited liquidity on sushi and uniswap... just be sure that you use the official sILV contract address. You can find it by using the command !contract

[vivid cipher]

Search on etherscan using the sILV contract. Then find the liquidity pool.

In either uniswap or sushiswap and then connect and swap

[coarse ledge]

Ok got it. Thanks! 🙂

Are you guys planning to use ETH or sILV for the land sale? Trying to assess which would be the more practical choice.

[vivid cipher]

Ok it is a thing. It’s the old #📣〕announcements but this event is still live. The email went to some and will go out to the rest soon

Here’s an announcement regarding the 100k discord member celebration!

TLDR: by being a discord member you might win some ILV

#📣〕announcements message

It does seem like the email links them to this channel. Oh well.

[ember compass]

That's really a personal choice... gotta be up to you. sILV might give a bit better leverage IF you can get a discount, but doesn't have the utility/liquidity/resale that ETH does.

[coarse ledge]

How about you? Will you be using ETH or sILV?

[inland smelt]

Ok so that’s 10$ILV. not sure why they forgot the $ symbol lol

[hollow sparrow]

How to join on giveaway

[inland smelt]

Read lastest #📣〕announcements

[velvet kettle]

Hi

[split nexus]

When release?

[inland smelt]

Open beta Q1 2022 for main game
This november for mini game (Illuvium:Zero)

[sour orbit]

YO

[vivid cipher]

!welcome

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[marble bone]

yeah

[vivid cipher]

Checkout #💬〕general

[buoyant wasp]

It’s about a 60% discount

[buoyant wasp]

This is the pair , do check the contract before buying thou https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

[strange kelp]

10ilv?

[inland smelt]

10$ILV
Checkout this annoucement:
#📣〕announcements message

[devout crow]

Hi

[ivory vine]

Just as a general reminder without addressing anyone in particular:

Anything about ILV token, price, market cap, supply... => #💰〕token
Anything about land, land sale, mini-game... => #🎮〕illuvium-zero
Anything about LP vs ILV only staking, APY, Impermanent Loss... => #🥩〕staking
Anything about general ILV topics without their own channel => #💬〕general
Anything about issues with and possible solution for Gas => #880885576591634492 or maybe #887631374578757692
Anything not related to ILV at all => #799010390201466880
Any bot commands like !rank => #👑〕bot-commands

Thanks 🙂

[crisp blaze]

Heya guys so I got an email in my inbox about the 10 ILV giveaway, question is where do I find the rest of the instructions how to proceed?

[midnight flax]

it is 10$ worth of ilv and not 10 ilv

[ivory bough]

I believe there will be an announcement and/or more tweets about it once more info is published

[misty orbit]

Lol where was this posted

[wise flume]

He said it was in an email. Are you signed up to Illuviums mailing list?

[misty orbit]

Ah I’m not

[misty crane]

I got the same email, it said 10 ILV each 😆

[worn scaffold]

It is 10 ILV each

That dollar mark, is just the meaning of the token. Otherwise it would be $10 ILV

[misty crane]

Those 3 persons chosen wil be very lucky indeed.

[torn atlas]

How much we need to invest for this game? Any thoughts?

[ivory bough]

Investment and Playing are two different things. For the investment part, there is no minimum. You have to decide how much is best for you.

[torn atlas]

Thank you

[coral citrus]

helllo

[old osprey]

Hi everyone! 😃

[dense cipher]

Hello guys welcome 🙂

[granite mortar]

Hi

[dusk fox]

Welcome

[versed anvil]

Hi

[sleek stone]

hi

[inland smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-steve-harvey-really-gif-14173355

[acoustic vine]

Hi is there an application needed to join the beta this Nov?

[slate goblet]

we'll need to create another channel to talk about the game

we should create a welcome channel and direct ppl there when they join, and then to #❓〕faq :p

[lament plover]

Where to read info about the land in Illuvium zero?

[swift condor]

pinned is a good place to start👍

[grand adder]

Hi

[queen folio]

@lament plover Hey! Just answering that question about fuel you asked in #💬〕general
Yeah, fuel will be an ERC-20 token so it can be transferred/sold to other players 🙂

[untold fulcrum]

Hi

[slate goblet]

maybe we should change the channel icon and call it something like mini-game, so that ppl don't come by mistake

[distant bramble]

Friends I have a doubt the game will work on linux operating system ?

[slate goblet]

it's gonna be mobile 🙂 so yeah, it'll work on linux under Android

[magic fossil]

hi

[buoyant wasp]

I realise that the sILV I bought in the secondary market will appear in my staking dashboard so it is pretty legit 🙂

[ancient olive]

Do we have any idea of land prices yet?

[lament plover]

Where'd you buy it?

[buoyant wasp]

You can search for the silv contract on uniswap and sushi swap , to get the contract , you have to use !contract in the bot channel, it is going for 60% discount atm

[ivory bough]

That's a potential T3-4 I see there lol.

[buoyant wasp]

That’s only 2.8eth I spent, I doubt T3-T4 is only going for 2.8eth 😩

[ivory bough]

well, gotta wait to see what price ILV will be ssitting at by Land Sale

[graceful geyser]

Any idea how much the land is going to be???

[little moon]

none, plenty are throwing out estimates though

[buoyant wasp]

We won’t know for sure until the sale but I believe T1 will be 0.5-1 eth based on the interview on YouTube

[graceful geyser]

Thanks for the info

[swift spear]

I think T3 will be doable with that. Just depends how they break it down

[graceful geyser]

T1 still still expensive 😩😩

[swift spear]

I expect there to be t1 available for under 0.5 as well, we will see

Depends if the whales decide to buy 100 plots or something 😂

[buoyant wasp]

https://youtu.be/x5D5_4SYrhs watch at about 1hr 5 mins

[swift spear]

Yeah I’ve seen it, means literally nothing :p

[swift condor]

OG Flex

[swift spear]

YouTuber picked random figure and he just said yeah probably, because he has no idea 😂

No one does. I’m just looking at it from a numbers perspective. Number of people in discord vs number of plots available, there’s gonna be a lot of supply. But at the same time, community could be 10x what it is now by the time the land is sold, so who knows

Maybe everyone is richer than I think but I’d imagine the average person interested in land doesn’t have thousands to drop, I certainly don’t 😂

[buoyant wasp]

There are 120k in discord and 20k land :). And whales are going to snap many as wel.

[slate goblet]

there are 120K accounts on discord server, but less than 10K ILV holders + stakers, and we'll have another 4 auctions with 80K lands to be sold

[swift spear]

Yeah, I’d be surprised if more than 10% of the discord intend on (or can afford) buying land

[pastel jackal]

Any good faq for land sale I should read?

[summer hollow]

ill be dropping over 100k on land

[polar yacht]

I am expecting more demand than normal for a standard pfp/generative NFT drop since this is a productive asset in a hot project. Bid early

[sage tree]

I can't wait to buy land. Gonna be awesome

[steady zealot]

Have a look at the pinned messages

[pastel jackal]

Thanks

[summer hollow]

back up the brinks truck to buy as much land as possible

[steady zealot]

A lot is still unknown

[sage tree]

Hopefully get a tier 4 or 2

[swift spear]

What’s wrong with 3

[potent dock]

No specific FAQ, but we do have a bit of information, anything specific you wanted to know?

[sage tree]

lol. Meant like 2 tier 4s

[swift spear]

I’d be happy with 1 tier 3 but probably out of my budget. Was going for t2 but decided to put more cash in

It was this that made me want 3 over 2, seems like a biiiig upgrade

[pastel jackal]

So t1 won't even give fuel... What's the point then?

[sage tree]

Yeah. I hear ya. Don't know what the pricing will be so we'll see but I should be able to snatch at least a tier 4 and other pieces of land too

[potent dock]

Whoa, the T0 is straight up wrong there haha

[swift spear]

How much are you budgeting?

[pastel jackal]

Yea I think t0 and t1 are wrong

[long lantern]

t0 has no financial connection to the main game;. this is correct.. its to give free players a "full" game experience

[sage tree]

As of right now around 75- 100k

[potent dock]

RE: Fuel, no, that chart is not correct.

T0 will not produce Fuel.

[swift spear]

Wish I was in your position! Good luck

[long lantern]

they cant sell or transfer that fuel it was said. so i think its correct

[potent dock]

You can scan for blueprints with T0!

[sage tree]

Thank u sir!!

[potent dock]

Also, as Johnny mentioned, Converters will passively generate some small amount of resources.

(including Fuel)

[potent dock]

I could be mistaken there - it's possible some non-NFT Fuel is available in T0 to facilitate building structures that normally require Fuel.

[long lantern]

tbh i am not sure either, just relaying info passed on to me. 1 big game of telephone 🤣

[slate goblet]

I understood that fuels are on blockchain and other resources that are used to build structures are off-chain. Maybe T1 won't be able to build some structures and T0 won't be able to build structures that produce fuel, blueprint, scan, etc. And they'll be able to produce those resources that are off-chain

[long lantern]

from what I understand, all tiers can produce fuel from mining or converting. t0 just cant sell that fuel and only can use it for themselves

[potent dock]

T1 should be able to build any structure, provided you're willing to be patient with converters.

You're probably right about T0 being able to do things off-chain though, including off-chain Fuel.

[slate goblet]

They said that T1 can't produce fuel directly, I understand then they can't build fuel buildings. We need more details on how it's gonna work 😄

[potent dock]

You don't get Fuel sites, but converters passively generate resources, let me find a source.

[slate goblet]

No we can't produce fuel on T0 land and send it for our consumption.

[slate goblet]

Yes that's what I understand too. But then T1 can't be able to build "main" fuel structures.

[potent dock]

Oh I get you, yeah that would make sense.

Structures whose only function is producing Fuel from Fuel Sites would have no place in T1 (because there aren't any Fuel Sites).

[long lantern]

typo, can -> cant

[mystic blade]

Does anyone know if I can let a friend play on my land and reap rewards? Like if I have a friend who doesn’t have the capital upfront to buy land, could I let them play on mine without giving them my account? And he still gets to keep the rewards from my land?

[neon sable]

Sounds like axie scholarship but with land...this would be nice if the game allows this. Not everyone will be able to afford land

[lucid karma]

you might be able to similar to Axie scholarship, but I have not seen anything official regarding it

[graceful geyser]

This is a good idea land just too expensive for me 😩

[neon sable]

Well one way to reap passive rewards is to simply stake ILV and earn Revdis and yeild

[long lantern]

there is a free tier of land

[long lantern]

I dont think so from the start, and they are looking into something similar to scholarships, maybe with guilds. I think in the interview they mentioned how scholarships dont make sense in this game since anyone can start for free. But they are looking into it

[thorny crater]

Aaron stated in a video that they were talking about potential allowing land to be rented out…..its nowhere in the works, as far as i know, but was just being talked about.

[uneven elbow]

T1 babehhhhhhh

[dusty scaffold]

omg literally landlord

[inland smelt]

I don't think IZ wil have a scholarship like axie. The basic reason is because in Axie, scholar won't have any permission to touch the SLP that they've gained from playing. Imagine if IZ have scholarship, how can manager know if scholar do something wrong with the elements/fuels ? Even if there is a way, it would be definitely super complicated.

[drowsy dagger]

newguy here, any news about launching date?

[swift spear]

For land? Probably early November

[drowsy dagger]

that's soonish

[swift spear]

Feels like years away 😂 so hyped

[drowsy dagger]

any other game fi projects of similar size to illuvium besides star atlas around?

[thorny crater]

Lol I wish i was a whale haha

[fathom ridge]

When you say this do you mean stake in the ILV pool? Or the sushi LP pool?

[ivory bough]

You get RevDis if you stake in either/both.

[mystic blade]

You really have to have quite a bit of Illuvium for this route to make sense with the eth gas fees. You need to put in quite a few tokens for it to make financial sense currently.

[low geode]

What qualifies as quite a bit of ILV?

[slate goblet]

I'd say 15x spent fees

[inland smelt]

New IZ leak is soo good. I'm super FOMO right now 🔥

Now lets look back the building in GDD

[vivid cipher]

Did y’all see this?!? #💥〕leaks-discussion message

[surreal junco]

When is the land sale?

[ivory bough]

end of Oct or early Nov

[surreal junco]

Thanks

[livid tundra]

nice. now i know to come in with like $125k

[long lantern]

nice, im coming in with 125,000 pennies 😛

[slate goblet]

😦

[inland smelt]

Ikr, there're so much 🦈 and 🐳 here

[slate goblet]

indeed 😦

[livid tundra]

honestly all mine is coming from the rewards, not new money. the amount im getting from the staking is wild. i might bring 250k in all from like 2 months of rewards i swear

[ivory bough]

These whales and Sharks are gonna pump so much $ in ppl's pockets by their purchases. All will gain 🙂

[inland smelt]

I love revdis 💰💰💰

[ivory bough]

Better to say "I ❤️ ILV" for coming up with the best tokenomics....like ever 😄

[inland smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-illuviumio-yield-farming-staking-gif-22200244

[slate goblet]

Indeed 🙂 if rich ppl buy lands too expensive, we just wait for auction 2 when lands availability will double and prices will surely drop!

[ivory bough]

Well, yeah, but imagine buying a land and farm like crazy and have your farmed $ ready to buy even more land, quoting from you, cheaper 🙂

[slate goblet]

then we cry out loud 😄

[sage tree]

yep

[tidal arrow]

Do u guys think 30k will be enough for a T3?

[swift condor]

its probable but till we get more info and action day happens, its anyone's guess🤷‍♂️

[tidal arrow]

The selfish side of me wants the hype for land to chill so prices arent too crazy 😆

[brave lark]

Dutch auction? More like Wallmart on Black Friday.. 🤺

[swift condor]

this monster is yet to be unleashed, IMO i just be happy to get T1 land at a max of 3x sILV

[swift condor]

dutch auction first come first serve

[little moon]

3 sILV???

[autumn ruin]

will land be priced in eth?

[swift condor]

yip thats where i draw the line. FOMO wont skew my conviction

[swift condor]

ETH or sILV

[little moon]

Im ready for this land

[cinder fractal]

That's smart approach to any investment have a strict budget and don't let your emotions to guide you

I will wait for more informations before I decide my limit for tier1 and tier2

[swift condor]

its save me $1000's

[hallow sage]

do we know total amount of lands?

[swift condor]

100k between all tiers, scaled

[hallow sage]

ye ty

[cinder fractal]

If we enter short term bear during sale I expect to buy some land for a nice price but if we are in bull and everyone is hyped we can see some crazy prices

[swift condor]

get out of my Head!😋

[cinder fractal]

People are very strange creatures, if we are bear 1eth is let's say 2k they will be I'm afraid to buy tier1 for 1eth, but if we are in bull and eth is 10k they will be more than happy to buy tier1 for 1eth

[swift condor]

exactly FUD is a powerful tool if played right

[sharp elk]

Its not that strange. People who feel rich will be more likely to spend more... That's normal.

People who win the lottery and then refuse to spend more money are the strange ones...

[swift condor]

https://tenor.com/view/rave-rave-girls-took-too-much-autobattler-rpg-gif-22413111 IMO land is the long term investors game

[sharp elk]

We don't actually know enough to know whether land is long term or short term.

[little moon]

Im puttin all my eggs into da land

[sharp elk]

If the returns on land are low, buying land will be done by people looking to resell. So very short term.

[cinder fractal]

Do we know for sure how this land is going to be for any future game or we will have some new land

[hazy flower]

Goodnight! Will a place be released where we can download the game?

[swift condor]

buddy im thinking 2030, fluctuations are Noobs ponds i don't play in

[sharp elk]

Your thinking dates, i'm thinking maths...

[hazy flower]

Cadê os Brasileiros aí

[swift condor]

illuvium is a DAO so it evolves with the times

[cinder fractal]

Anyone? :)

[sharp elk]

You just lost me there. Correct me if i'm wrong, but DAO litterally means 'decentralised autonomous organisation'. I.e. it's just a different way of governing. It has no impact on evolving with the times. Unless of course you are saying that people evolve with the times.

[swift condor]

thats not even factored in with my expectations of land value in a decade. WOW still exists

[swift condor]

the game will make upgrades and improvements according to the votes casted by all ILV holders

[sharp elk]

Hopefully. Just like any organisation.

[vivid cipher]

The 100k is gonna be a hard cap on land... much like 10m is a hard cap on ILV

if you think staking ILV for revdis is a good idea then producing fuel on land is the same play... just actually playing for it

[cinder fractal]

So even if we have 9th game in 2033 this land will produce same fuel for that game?

[swift condor]

look at Nintendo market cap and apply it to 10m coins. as a joke if ILV reaches it in 10 years😏

[vivid cipher]

that is how I read the GDDs and the IIPs

[sharp elk]

I could be wrong here but i think the 100k illuvium land is the limit of land in the world of illuvium. It doesn't mean that other games produced by the Illuvium devs will actually be set in the same world...

[vivid cipher]

the dao isn't about to start inflating ILV token. Why would the DAO start inflating land?

[cinder fractal]

It's just a little bit strange we will be limited with new games in that case imagine completely different game how are they going to implement fuel from this land...

[vivid cipher]

the token is ILV... everything will be the same universe even if not the same world

[sharp elk]

Why would the DAO limit any future games to the same setting as Illuvium?

[cinder fractal]

It's easy for a token land is different story it must make sense

[vivid cipher]

Riot did just fine

Blizzard does have a couple universes I guess

but that is debatable

Continuous lore is the way to create an actual franchise

[sharp elk]

Sure, they could tie their own hands and say any future game has to fit into the setting of the first game. But that is an assumption not based on anything that we've been told. They could just as easily decide that their cool idea for a second game is too different to share the same setting as Illuvium.

[cinder fractal]

Don't get me wrong if I buy land of course I would be extremely happy to produce fuel for 100 games I'm just worried about limitations, but like you said one never ending lore is powerful thing

[swift condor]

we will have to see how the DAO evolves. we are making history here

[vivid cipher]

The conversations i've been in certainly imply that the plan is to use assets already created for the first game to help build the second third ... games

||Illuvium FPS||

So I messed around on the second page of a calculator pinned in here. It's mostly for fun...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mjxD-MjO4eSG8IKTRewCzWbv6cYt1BVwFV276HyJPHA/edit#gid=855788814

I put some info describing at least loosely where I'm pulling numbers from

[swift condor]

i love that parabola

[vivid cipher]

Yeah I was really happy when someone else in here made it for me... and its even editable

But I like the constant of 3... its perfect

[sharp elk]

That would make sense. If you've done all the work to create a first person view for one game, you are going to want to re-use some of that code to create a first person view for a second game. That's nothing to do with whether resources generated from an illuvium mini game are going to be relevant for a second game. Maybe it will make more sense to have a second land sale for the second game, thereby bringing more money into the ecosystem. Given that it will likely be several years between games, surely this is just as likely.

[vivid cipher]

But we shall see what the distribution actually looks like

[swift condor]

its a game for me at that tier😅

[cinder fractal]

3 is magical number :)

[vivid cipher]

3 become 1 become 3 become 1

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/three-gif-8890449

[swift condor]

dude i have a thing for 13, dont play with me like this

[vivid cipher]

I'm referring to the fusing mechanics in the main game

[cinder fractal]

So basically if we are able to buy tier 2 for 2x price of tier 1 that would be considered a great deal

[vivid cipher]

Seems like a good fit to use in the land sale as well. Rarity increasing by 3x each tier

[vivid cipher]

Thats only if those are the actual distributions... they could make it 2x the rarity... There is also the idea as I understand it that they are actually planning on having the collective fuel producing power of lower tier lands be more efficient than higher tier lands.

[ancient panther]

Do we have any updates on the Land Sale?

[vivid cipher]

if there are 3 tier 1s for every tier 2... Then 3 tier 1s would be able to produce more fuel than 1 tier 2. Or maybe they skip a tier... 9 tier 1s produce more than 1 tier 3... I don't know...

[vivid cipher]

not really... just speculation here

[cinder fractal]

If that's the case i don't expect it to be a huge difference, otherwise everyone is going to fight for tier1

[swift condor]

it gives me the Hopium i need, lol. i like my kidneys 😬

[vivid cipher]

I expect to see the land sale sometime in November

[sharp skiff]

we will have to buy the game?

[cinder fractal]

No and this is mini game you can play only main game if you want

[sharp skiff]

i am talking about full iluvium

[cinder fractal]

What is full illuvium?

[swift condor]

IZ and the main game is free to play, but if you want to generate Eth from play you have to purchase land in IZ with the upcoming auctions and the ones that follow. the main game you only invest if you like the game and want to progress off T0 (but you can advance for free)

[sharp skiff]

all right perfect!do you know something about prices or so?

[vivid cipher]

nope

[cinder fractal]

One run through tier1 is expected to be around 50$ that's main game

[swift condor]

on which game IZ or main platform? but no concrete things yet but @cinder fractal is right

[sharp skiff]

oh ok i got it!I really hope they will launch it soon

[dry forge]

The current estimates are:

• Closed beta in October / November
• Gameplay trailer end of October
• Illuvatar auction before open beta
• Open beta (launch) on PC & MAC in Q1 2022
• Mobile launch in 2022

Ongoing: Hiring of new Core Contributors, Influencer Partnerships and more

[vivid cipher]

I really should get back to work. Keep making this community the best it can be.

[sharp skiff]

what will happen in the auction?Buying credits or actions or what?

[swift condor]

$tip @vivid cipher 0.000000000003 ILV

[fleet tapir]

@swift condor sent @vivid cipher 0.000000000003 ILV (≈ $0.00).

[cinder fractal]

Have a good day I must go2 @swift condor is keeping everything under control :)

[sharp skiff]

have a good day bro

[vivid cipher]

noice.. my first @fleet tapir ILV

[inland smelt]

Price will drop, who buy first will get it first. And a terrible gas fee also

[cinder fractal]

Read documents in pinned messages a lot of informations there

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-illuviumio-whale-yield-farm-gif-22293367

[sharp skiff]

oh ok guys

[tight osprey]

is there a market for sIlv tokens?

[swift condor]

yes, i used https://www.dextools.io/ to get it, you can get it now at 50% of the market price of ILV as its a open market (sILV only really has value in game 1:1 with ILV). (research the site first!) but i got 1x sILV successfully

[west storm]

$tip

[inland smelt]

Next time pls use it in #👑〕bot-commands

[slate goblet]

I also like 3 a lot, but here it makes T2 in a rly small quantity :p

[hallow sage]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-cat-gif-21860834

[drowsy raptor]

Will i be able to buy the recources people make in illuvium-zero with sILV?

[slate goblet]

nop

[tight osprey]

yes, i used https://www.dextools.io/ to get it, you can get it now at 50% of the market price of ILV as its a open market (sILV only really has value in game 1:1 with ILV). (research the site first!) but i got 1x sILV successfully
@swift condor thats awesome , thanks. Last time i checked nothing was there. Can be good arb when land sale launches and they equate sIlv to Ilv for land oricibg

[little moon]

I thought you could buy those resources with sILV?

[slate goblet]

not from other players, sILV isn't meant to be circulating 🙂

[lucid karma]

you will have to exchange it for Eth

[slate goblet]

it seems we'll be able to exchange for fuel with the DAO, but not sure

[buoyant wasp]

Yes you can , sILV is for buying from DAO( in game shop) I.e buying from the system. Player to player transaction is only via eth

[hearty stirrup]

Hey guys, I’ve read the pin messages and not sure if the details are out yet on the likely price of each land?

[shrewd dome]

No prices yet. It's a Dutch auction. We should know more in a month or so

[hearty stirrup]

Thanks legend. Still looking like November for land sales?

[shrewd dome]

Yep.

[hasty haven]

Are there any details on how the rev dis from the land sale will go to stakers? Will it be in ETH? ILV? Will the ETH/sILV raised be swapped for ILV tokens (bought on the open market) to stakers (similar to the future vault)?

[potent dock]

ILV.

The specific process is detailed in the Medium papers and maybe in the Whitepaper. Basically, the vault recieves ETH from sales. It periodically uses that ETH to purchase ILV from the market. It then immediately distributes that ILV to ILV stakers.

ETH recieved from the land sale may or may not be used to buy ILV over time (as opposed to in a single bulk purchase) to avoid negatively impacting the liquidity of the market and artificially spiking the token price. There's also implications for the "24h staker" as I call it that should be addressed before the land sale. Specifically, if someone were to buy ILV before the land sale (like, 12h before), stake it flexibly until the land sale concluded, and then sell it, that person could stand to profit somewhat unfairly compared to long term stakers and supporters. The team is aware of this and I expect they have ideas for solutions.

[hasty haven]

I'm guessing there will have to be a time minimum

[potent dock]

There's a lot of good solutions, the team probably has one even better than my best idea, considering how good the tokenomics are (and the fact that they actually understand smart contracts and what is possible lol).

[thorny crater]

They have some clever people in this world, but not as much as the illuvium leader ship🤓

[cinder fractal]

On sushi if I check price for ilv/sILV when Im buying sILV ratio is 1silv/0.71ilv but when I go to sell 1silv/0.3ilv is spread always this big?

Is it possible to catch sILV for 0.5ilv?

[swift spear]

I dunno about the ILV ratio but its usually around 0.06 eth for 1 sILV, or $200 ish

[cinder fractal]

I don't know why but for me it's 1silv/0.67eth right now something strange is happening

I guess there is not enough liquidity

For 0.1silv price is 0.069eth that's like 10 times less :)

But gas would kill me if I buy it like that

[swift spear]

Yeah sushi price is a little high right now. Its 0.058 on uniswap

Oh I see what you mean, wtf is going on with sushi 😄

[stiff haven]

oh so illuvium 0 is also a play to pay game but not on pc?

[little moon]

when the land sale comes up in a couple of months, will we be able to purchase with sILV?

[swift spear]

Yes

[little moon]

thanks, i have a question around gas. If i was to purchase land via ETH do you envisage hi gas fees? would it be simpler and faster to purchase with sILV?

[small star]

🤷🏻‍♂️ difficult to say

At least having eth only you can benefit from up and down of eth

[little moon]

ok thanks

also i heard Kieran mention on a webinar that there will be 26 different factory types/plants for resources. Question around the factories and upgrades. Will the prices vary dependant on what level your purchasing on or are all the buildings/upgrades the same regardless of the level?

[slow cedar]

That we don't know yet. They'll release more info nearer launch

[humble ether]

i think even with sILV we'll have to pay gas since the land will also be an NFT in the ethereum blockchain, so gas will be paid with ETH.

[polar dock]

Just wondering, what's the current estimate on what top tier land is going to go for?

[echo swift]

$100,000+ easy

[polar dock]

Is that it?

[echo swift]

I'm thinking 1mil

[humble ether]

for T5 theyre expecting 7 figures in some interviews ive seen

[swift spear]

There’s only 7 T5 available, wouldn’t be surprised if they’re 7 figures

[cinder fractal]

Even if you are buying with sILV you will need to pay gas 100% but at least we are not going to experience gas wars

Price will start extremely high for every tier and it will drop gradually over time once when there is a price you are willing to pay just make transaction

[slate goblet]

I wonder if the same person is able to manage 4 or 8 lands, maybe that will stop the same person from buying many of them

we have few lands, so I guess land renting shouldn't be allowed so more ppl can own them

[cinder fractal]

People are always able to find way around if I have enough money I would buy a ton of land end pay someone full time job to work for me...

And I'm sure some whales will buy land just to hold it so they can flip it later there are factories that can do everything on their own you don't need to do almost anything but extraction of resources will be lower from your land

[slate goblet]

yeah maybe buy and let to develop them later

[little moon]

is it possible if the team could give some indication as to wether having more than one lot beside each will be beneficial for expansion. maybe having two plots would allow the owner to build a more productive plant?

[vivid cipher]

It’s possible, even probable in the long term, but it guaranteed. Though it won’t just be 2 side by side. More likely 6-9

[little moon]

How much more or less would tier 2, 3 and 4 land cost?

[shrewd dome]

No way of knowing. Depends on starting price and fomo. T2 i would say 2k-5k, T3 5k-10k T4 10k-100k. Only my thoughts. Just speculation

[little moon]

profits of owning a land?

[shrewd dome]

Again there is no way of knowing. A lot of variables. If you believe in the team and believe the game could be successful then the sky is the limit

[shrewd dome]

Have you read through the pinned info in this channel?

[little moon]

Nooo

[little moon]

dam 6 to 9 thats a lot to buy. Would there be the possibilty of doing a JV with other land owners and if so would the game have some kind of terms that need to be locked into a contract?

[shrewd dome]

Ok, I would read through a lot of that info if you're serious about owning land. The GDD would be the most important but the other info is good as well

[little moon]

GDD?

[ivory bough]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[little moon]

thanks

[shrewd dome]

Game Design Document

[little moon]

awesome thanks

[potent dock]

There's no confirmation mega-cities will even exist, it's mentioned briefly at the end of the GDD as a possibility for expansion content or future titles.

I think the numbers that were pointed at as likely were 2x2 or 3x3, but I wouldn't explicitly plan a land strategy around adjacency personally. NFA.

[shrewd dome]

Didn't one interview even say that land wouldn't even need to be conjoined? I have watched so many I can't remember

[potent dock]

I think Aaron suggested that adjacency might not need to be literal adjacency in an interview.

[opal thistle]

We still don't know where the auctions are going to take place correct?

[potent dock]

You could technically make all land adjacent to all other land, which would solve a bunch of bullshitty "need this plot" problems.

[opal thistle]

Yup I heard that too

[little wagon]

Oeh, 17.3k sILV already out there,..... almost 1 sILV per land piece for this auction,..... that means +/- $500,- per land plot at least if you decide it equal. I know this isn’t the right calculation, but it shows some perspective lol

The closer we get the more sILV wil be claimed,....

I hope for some buying pressure with ETH too, just for the RevDis ...

[dawn cradle]

Have they talked much more about blueprint availability and rarity? From what I have seen it looked like blueprints would be available for all land types and all land rarities. Is that true? Or is there going to be blueprints that can only be crafted on a T4 water type land for example?

[potent dock]

I want 5 sILV by land sale to try for a T2. Any extra I'll save for the launch

There's WAY more than I expected to be minted already 😄

[potent dock]

I'd search for what JohnnyA has said about Blueprints in this channel.

[little wagon]

It surprised me too to be honest. It is more lucrative to buy the sILV then to claim at this moment.... but one never knows what the price of ILV is gonna do in the future,... decisions decisions, never easy haha

[potent dock]

Yup lol - I really wanna grow my ILV stack but sILV at $200 is hard to say no to considering it's worth $500 for the land sale (and maybe more by the time we get there)

[little wagon]

Yes, yes, same here haha

[weary wyvern]

hi where can I buy silv?

[little wagon]

Sushi and uniswap

But at this rate land prices will be going higher than 5sILV I am afraid,....

[potent dock]

!contract There's no officially supported source for sILV, so bear that in mind.

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[ivory bough]

Imagine knowing what to do, but having no $ to do it haha 😄

[potent dock]

Haha honestly I'm in the same boat for the most part - picked up 2 sILV yesterday and now I wait xD

[weary wyvern]

which pair should I put to buy silv?

[ivory bough]

I was gonna buy 5 sILV, but some stupid paper work came up and and I have to take care of it. I hate bureaucracy

[potent dock]

I'm also staring at my initial ILV stake which expires in like 56 days and wondering if I can get it staked into SLP after it unlocks, but before V2 is out.

[ivory bough]

that's what I call a close-call. I guess you will be crossing your fingers and toes to get it in SLP before V2 😄

[potent dock]

Feels like staring down a train lmao

[little moon]

im looking at the available plots and doesnt seem like much will be up forsale

[potent dock]

20k in the first round of 100k total

[little moon]

oh thats better, the document had something like 1500

[potent dock]

Oh - I think the GDD was just exemplary - some of the info in there has changed now that the game is actually being developed.

[lament plover]

Just wanted to ask what is the role of fuel to the main game?

[potent dock]

JohnnyA has been a boss sharing info in this channel, searching his posts is VERY useful.

[potent dock]

Primarily for travel I believe.

[ivory bough]

wish we could use it in gas stations in real world too lol (NFT scanning)

[potent dock]

Coming 2033 xD

[lament plover]

Thank you lods

[inland smelt]

As far as I know, there're 3 types of fuel and here're their role in main game:
-Crypton: used for fusion (Illuvials or equipments)
-Hyperion: forging weapon and Armour
-Solon: curing shard
Johnny also confirmed that there won't be any forth type of Fuel for Traveling.

[lament plover]

Are these finalized?

[inland smelt]

They're written in the GDD so...

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-robert-downey-jr-sherlock-holmes-rdj-gif-4384335

[opal thistle]

Where exactly I've teied looking for it in the swap but the sILV does not appear as a swap option

[ivory vine]

!contract You might need to add the token manually via the contract address

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[silk aspen]

Does it matter to swap at sushi swap or uniswap? Which is better or both are similar in fees?

[ivory vine]

Gotta look what the prices are at the time of your swapping. Those are changing all the time after all 🙂

[slate goblet]

did he confirm that? I missed it

how will we pay for travel then?

[silk aspen]

Yes, that makes sense. I will go do that. Thank you!

[inland smelt]

here: #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[slate goblet]

cool! how will we pay for travel then?

[inland smelt]

I don't know either. Maybe need 3 of them for traveling ?

[silk aspen]

Just want to confirm. The bidding for the dutch auction will be in ETH, but one can pay in ETH or sILV (which is considered the same price as ILV at that time)? So after bidding, one pays the ETH price in either ETH or sILV? Do I have the correct understanding?

[chilly smelt]

I just saw in sushi swap that 1 SILV is 0.672482 is this right? That's much more than the 0.14963 that cost the ILV

[ivory vine]

I'd expect the price to be in USD but haven't heard any details yet about the auction. Payment can be done in either ETH or sILV though and sILV will have the same value as ILV, yes.

[silk aspen]

Ok thank you!

[silk aspen]

Do you know if the dutch auction is linked to wallets at all, or do we just bid and then, connect afterwards to pay? I love the ledger but it can be slow.

[ivory vine]

No idea about the exact workflow in the auction yet on my side.

[feral hedge]

i think sushi is out of liquidity. try uniswap, should be around 0.06 eth/ilv

[glad heart]

Why is sILV so cheap on uniswap? i mean its kinda 1:1 with ILV correct, why are people not arbitrage it ?

[cinder fractal]

Some whales taking profit

Imagine if you staked milions in ilv/eth pool at the very beginning

[glad heart]

yes sure but isnt it a nobrainer to buy sILV at those prices?

or is there any risk involved with buying sILV right now ?

[cinder fractal]

If you are looking to buy land yes but imagine you are making 100ilv per day

It's like 20000k per day for what are they selling right now

[glad heart]

i understand but still i find this weird why price is so different from real ILV

especially when its supposed to be 1:1, this looks like easy 2.5x to me but i guess i miss something lul

[cinder fractal]

Because use case is still months away closer we go to land sale and game price will go towards 1:1

[hot vortex]

We can buy land in illuvium ?

[little moon]

land is part of Illuvium Zero, which is a minigame. take a look through the pinned messages/resources to learn more

[little wagon]

https://app.uniswap.org/#/swap

And add this sILV token contract adress 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[slate goblet]

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[neon sable]

Is the sILV bought on the provided contact address legit?

[swift spear]

As long as you are using the address from the bot above, then yes. When you buy it it shows on your dashboard on illuvium website

[ivory vine]

If you ensure it is the right address then the token should be legit, yes. I have bought sILV on the open market as well already and it shows properly as balance when checking on the ILV staking dashboard for another form of check 🙂

[cinder fractal]

That's the beauty of the blockchain if you have right contract address you can't go wrong

[neon sable]

Anyone know if you can own more than 1 land per account?

[swift spear]

Don’t see why not

[neon sable]

Trying to figure out if its better to buy lots of lower tier land or focus on higher tier land....assuming i have enough to buy that is lol

[swift spear]

We won’t know until we have more info. They did say in an interview that there may be benefits to buying land that’s next to each other

[thorny crater]

Gm

You can buy all the land you want.

HAd a convo about this a few weeks back. I was worried about whales buying all theT5s and then multiple lower level. But over ruled for 100% capitalism….But the DAO can with hold a T5 for them selves/other aspects. So there will more than likely have balance

[tidal arrow]

Thats the great thing about the rev dis system. Greed from the whales is not bad, but encouraged haha

[thorny crater]

Exactly!…see when i was making my argument i still didn’t fully undergrads the 100% back to stackers….Insert foot in mouth lol

If i win that 10 ILV I’m staking it all.

As for land i either want two T1s or a T2-4

[pine ember]

wen u resell land do u get sILV or eth

[tidal arrow]

eth

[full dune]

So what’s the point of converting my ILV staking to SilV claims to buy land? I might as well buy silv for 2.5x value from uni swap correct?

[slate goblet]

the point isn't to claim sILV to buy land, the point is claim reward, and u use the reward to buy land or other content on the game

[muted moth]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I am still relatively new to blockchain stuff, but will there be a gas fee when buying land?

[obsidian field]

Yes

[buoyant wasp]

If you think about it, it is actually the same thing , when you convert your ilv to silv, you are converting it to a token that the market value at $200. I.e you can sell it at that price as well if you want. You think it is different because you perceive it to have more value

[fading fulcrum]

Personally I see sILV as undervalued right now, and expect it to raise relative to ILV when we get news and dates about the land sale.
Whales are taking profits and theres just not enough buyers to match the selling pressure yet.

[thorny crater]

I will save all my ILV and never sell. I am using ETH to buy land if i can

[muted yew]

where would you buy sILV? i don't see it on uniswap when i search it on the site

[cosmic aspen]

search the token contract on sushi/uni and/or on a dex aggregator like 1inch

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[muted yew]

would you be able to go into a little more detail? i'm not sure i follow

[buoyant wasp]

https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

[cosmic aspen]

for example - on uniswap when you are on the swap page and have the "select token" option you can paste the sILV token address linked above and allow you to swap

if you paste the official contract address of the sILV token you know it is correct

[muted yew]

Ohh I see - it looks like when I try it on sushiswap, it says unknown token and gives me an option to import it. I assume that's normal?

[cosmic aspen]

yes

note there WAS liquidity for sILV on sushiswap, but i see now that liquidity has been removed

see here:

https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x28b3f067af4f4501a7df03859ab6f8b142c4ab2e

[muted yew]

and if i say, swap my ETH with it, it would be added to the pile of sILV that i claim (if i choose to do so) from my staking?

[cosmic aspen]

uniswap still has decent sILV liquidity

[cosmic aspen]

yes

well - you'd see the sILV in your dashboard under "Your sILV balance", yes

[muted yew]

oh very cool

i guess people just sell their sILV for instant profit, rather than waiting a year for their ILV to be unlocked?

[cosmic aspen]

more or less

this is a link to a commonly overheard strategy for sILV

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[muted yew]

oh wow that's a pretty smart strategy. i guess you'd only really do that if your stake was high enough to justify the gas fees

[cosmic aspen]

yes that is certainly a factor to consider

and weighing the risks of an APY decline as well!

and the short-term forfeiture of revenue distribution

[muted yew]

lol ya true - does seem like a risky bet. all pretty interesting stuff for sure. thanks for the info, i really appreciate it!

[cosmic aspen]

anytime

[neon sable]

Just bought a bunch of sILV on uniswap for the upcoming land sale. Hope i can afford a high tier

[vivid cipher]

I should delete this… 😂I have not actually seen anyone put it in writing until now… not that it wasn’t alluded to or on many minds including my own. I don’t have enough rewards saves up for it yet to set aside as ETH for gas I’ll want and the land I hope to get.

[arctic garnet]

Any exact dates for the land sale yet?

[vivid cipher]

No. I’m thinking early November though.

[arctic garnet]

thanks!

[cosmic aspen]

yep, sILV price is very interesting right now as you have this sell pressure from longer-timeframe revdis+compounding yield minded people and buy pressure from short term land speculators wanting to increase their purchasing power

[potent dock]

Honestly if I miss out on land I'm happy to sit on (hopefully) appreciative sILV for either the next land sale or the main game release. I plan on playing a TON, and getting 2.5:1 on your dollar is just... really good.

[vivid cipher]

When I first figured out how I could do it I almost pulled the trigger but then I didn’t because gas was like 100gwei. And I didn’t actually have nearly enough ILV rewards pending.

And probably I’d have earned enough to make up for it.

Freaking fear

Also I don’t have much free time to make all the transactions

[potent dock]

And if that drives supply of ILV down, it's a double dip for anyone holding ILV. So stronk.

[cosmic aspen]

lack of free time is killer in this space, sometimes

[barren spruce]

what do you guys think land price will be around

[cosmic aspen]

i have to keep convincing myself there's no such thing as a sure thing...but the price of sILV eventually approaching ILV is...well...pretty close

only uncertainty is, obviously, the future price of ILV.

[cosmic aspen]

absolutely no idea - it will be a dutch auction

will land sell for too much because of the initial hype? maybe
will land sell for too little because no one knows the true revenue value of the land? maybe

[potent dock]

Speculatively, I think 1k USD will be a starting point for T1 land. NFA and all that.

I think that's on the LOW end of what's possible though, given that 1k USD is only currently about $400 of sILV on secondary markets.

[vivid cipher]

Yeah I agree

[potent dock]

All this sILV business is gonna drive the price of land WAY up.

[deep ether]

hello

[cosmic aspen]

i think this is pretty close to my best guess as well

i figure T1 would be about 0.5 ETH on average...100% speculation, of course.

[vivid cipher]

I put a calculation together based purely on revdis from fuel sales comparisons between ILV and Land

[deep ether]

newbie here from Philippines

[cosmic aspen]

haha, i think someone reading our convo is buying sILV

[vivid cipher]

It’s super low ball for the land price. But it’s the absolute floor

Lol

Good

sILV is a freaking deal

[potent dock]

Hello 😄

[cosmic aspen]

reminds me of the voice chat where i was talking about how undervalued the platinum badges were and someone bought 2

rofl

[vivid cipher]

Maybe I’ll still have a chance to sell some

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-rofl-lol-funny-hilarious-gif-16308002

[deep ether]

i am new for learning crypto and this game i hope i can survive

[cosmic aspen]

!crypto

[dry forge]

New to crypto? You may need to undergo Know Your Customer (KYC) verification with a centralized exchange - like Binance, Coinbase or Kraken - to turn your fiat into crypto. You will also need a wallet to hold your crypto. We recommend a free Meta Mask wallet: https://youtu.be/Sc8J98m6SZE.

Make sure to look into GAS / GWEI, as Eth transactions on the ETH network require a gas fee. You can use this historical data to get an idea on GWEI averages: https://etherscan.io/gastracker#historicaldata

There are many people on the Discord willing to help out newcomers but you really should do your homework as well and study this further on your own. DYOR (Do Your Own Research) is an important concept to understand in crypto.

[vivid cipher]

Take a look at #💬〕general for more basic information

[humble ether]

did sushi swap sILV just run out of liquidity?

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

My land floor value calculations are on the 2nd sheet of the document in this post. It was a fun thing to put together.

[cosmic aspen]

whoever was providing the sushiswap sILV liquidity has removed it, yes

there is still about $1 million sILV liquidity on uniswap however

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-illuviumio-whale-yield-farm-gif-22293367

[cosmic aspen]

https://gfycat.com/unimportantgargantuanamurstarfish

[deep ether]

ok

[vivid cipher]

It’s sILV even. Nice

[cosmic aspen]

indeed

[vivid cipher]

Do you just keep that website open and copy links?

[cosmic aspen]

i just have them favorited in discord

[vivid cipher]

Aha

One of mobile’s many weaknesses

[cosmic aspen]

then i upload them all into tenor as well for the discord gif search

[vivid cipher]

No favorites

[deep ether]

how i can earn 10 ilv sir?

[barren spruce]

hmmm I see

[cosmic aspen]

yeah that's weak

[cosmic aspen]

#📣〕announcements message

[deep ether]

ok copy

[polar dock]

Has it been decided how sILV will be valued vs ETH in land sale?

[humble ether]

sILV is going to be pegged to the price of ILV for land sale

[polar dock]

Hmm, so it makes significantly more sense at this point to buy sILV than pay with ETH I guess

[little moon]

As long as the price of ILV doesnt tank then yes.

[weary spindle]

I cant wait to buy some land. I will prepare 3 ETH for Tier 1 land. What prices do you guys expect?

[little moon]

most people are saying $1000-$5000 for T1 probably. Beyond that I think T2 could be as high as $20,000

[vivid cipher]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Play around with this spreadsheet. Page two has the lowest values for land IMO

[little moon]

If the FOMO kicks in hard everything could go for double the current estimates too. We can only wait and see.

[vivid cipher]

Yeah. I imagine land prices will detach from their potential in game revenue valuation compared to ILV prices. But that’s why I calculated that as the absolute floor.

[potent dock]

20k T2 would be wild, I'll sit that ride out if that's where we're at lol

[swift condor]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-yes-nodding-golden-girls-confirmed-gif-19805811

[terse peak]

Yeah.. 20k is waaaaaaaaaay beyond my expectations. Not gonna buy land if its gonna cost that much

[potent dock]

I'll have 4 or 6 sILV ready when land sale gets here and be willing to spend it all on T2, beyond that I'ma hodl for release.

[terse peak]

3 eth sounds more like a tier 2/3 land. But that's how I hope it will end up costing.. If its too far beyond that then I'm sitting this out

[little moon]

Yeah i figure thats kind of the max. I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 sell at 20k, probably not many.

[potent dock]

The first few of each tier will probably sell way above the floor cause that's how fomo rolls

Probably the last few as well.

[dry plank]

Grabbed a small bag of sILV ready for the sale, more to come from my staking. Will be interesting to see how strong ILV is in comparison to ETH. If ILV runs stronger than ETH then buying sILV at current prices rather than more ETH will be giving you a huge discount. What do you all think?

[terse peak]

There is going to be quite a lot of tier 1 lands being released. So I'm just gonna assume its gonna fall within my mind expectations.

[potent dock]

Haven't seen any big ballers talking about buying the first T5 yet, that'll be fun to watch.

[vivid cipher]

Here’s my guesses at a floor.

    cost per land in USD
        Land cost in sILV

13498.6 T1 $681 1.361252278
4500 T2 $1,944 3.888888889
1500 T3 $5,833 11.66666667
500 T4 $17,500 35
1 or 2 T5

[dry plank]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-watching-eating-popcorn-oh-yeah-watchin-gif-8938478

[potent dock]

I think your spread is right, but I'd double everything in light of sILV shenanigans

[vivid cipher]

2x-5x for actual numbers

[weary spindle]

I think its imposible to catch a T1 land under 1 ETH

[potent dock]

I think you might be able to snipe a T2 for 1.5-2 ETH. We'll have to see how ETH is doing when sale rolls around.

[vivid cipher]

The issue is we don’t know if 90% or 50% of the lands will be t1

Or something in between

[terse peak]

I think based on the number of t1 available, I think it should cost below 1eth

[weary spindle]

That would be awesome

[vivid cipher]

We have no idea how many there will be. Just that there will be more of those than any other tier.

I made up a number that I like for the distribution of land rarity.

[weary spindle]

If you catch a T2 with 2 ETH..after 6 months from the game launch you could sell it with 10 ETH if the game is awesome

[dry plank]

I think as well, we don’t know how much fomo there will be. We could be at 1/2 mil people on discord waiting by that date..if that is the case there will be a lot of high buy pressure.

[vivid cipher]

The thing there is if you take the price in sILV it doesn’t matter.

[dry plank]

I wouldn’t be surprised land flips may go crazy once the game releases completely hey

[vivid cipher]

If this discord has 500k the ILV value will be pumping too. Almost certainly

[weary spindle]

There are a lot of people that want to buy land...and there is a fixed number of it. So the buy pressure will be huge.

[potent dock]

There's also some people after 4-9 land on the chance that megacities are possible in the future.

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-hellothere-hello-hi-hey-gif-4505186

[potent dock]

If I can sell an organ before land sale I can dream about 1x T2 + 3x T1

[weary spindle]

You will see that after the trailer at the end of October (we will be over 200k in discord) we will attack the 1000$ zone per ILV token.

[vivid cipher]

I am hoping for a t3. But I doubt I’ll get one. T2 may have to do.

But if things are insane I’ll buy a t1.

[weary spindle]

Me to

[vivid cipher]

The issue for me is that I suspect t1 will be the most overpriced. It’ll be the lowest cost but it’ll have far more demand compared to its revenue value.

Lots of folk will be priced out of the t2+. But t1 will have a lower entry price.

Me speculating again

[terse peak]

The land sale is still targeted for end Oct early Nov right? This should be right after the release of the trailer in mid to end Oct I would assume

[dry plank]

I think that argument has merit. With that in mind though, perhaps the second round of sales might prove a better entry point for t1 as people might realise the land is overpriced?

[dry plank]

Right when the fomo is highest!

[vivid cipher]

Maybe. Or maybe the price will have balanced compared to other tiers but at the new level they have rocketed to. My FOMO is real.

[dry plank]

True that, impossible to predict hey haha

[vivid cipher]

The question is… do we think the land prices and ILV will remain attached? Or will land take off without ILV?

[dry plank]

If the recent NFT mania is anything to go off, I would say the latter

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/nasa-nasa-gifs-rocket-separation-space-gif-9399323

[little moon]

Itll depend how good the revdis is once the game is launched. ILV could easily outpace land value as well.

[dry plank]

Especially considering ILV is for governance, not for gameplay or purchases, it will run but I have a feeling land will go nuts.

[vivid cipher]

It’s just exciting to be here and be part of this conversation

[dry plank]

Definitely possible

[swift condor]

the later, the T0 land is like owning a little cafe shop, then its like they said, T5 is like owning a stadium

[fierce glen]

@vivid cipher is there an updated form for all the information on zero? Looking through pins there's a lot of stuff over time

[dry plank]

Another interesting thought, possibly not for this chat, is I wonder if the sILV token will ever outpace the ILV token haha

[vivid cipher]

Not really. No

[vivid cipher]

Nope. Why would it? It’s a gift card…

[fierce glen]

Dang ok thanks!

[little moon]

We should be getting the proof of concept soon. Hopefully that includes some updated documents.

[swift condor]

if there is major supply shock in 10 years who knows?

[vivid cipher]

I’d never pay more for an apple giftcard than it’s worth.

I can always pay apple in dollars.

[dry plank]

Supply vs demand considering it is the in game currency?

[vivid cipher]

We can always pay illuvium in ETH

sILV will eventually be all burnt up. Gone.

[dry plank]

That is true yeah, that would be a good controller of crazy sILV pricing

[vivid cipher]

Or I guess sILV could be held as a collectors item. But there wouldn’t still be markets for it.

[little moon]

I dont see any reason why sILV wouldnt be 90% of ILV price by the land sale.

[little moon]

Haha, never thought about this, Ill have to stash away a couple sILV at some point.

[vivid cipher]

Gas fees is the only thing I can think of.

[vivid cipher]

An entire sILV!!! Not me. I’ll maybe save some dust.

[little moon]

yeah maybe just not enough liquidity in the pools to actually move a meaningful amount of value unless people start adding more liquidity.

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/dropping-kinetic-sand-sand-tagious-kinetic-sand-sand-purple-sand-gif-17747351

[dry plank]

I think sILV will definitely be eaten up, especially coming up to land sale and also especially if ILV runs better than eth before that date

Will be interesting to see if people stacking sILV or stacking eth will be better positioned at land sale

Either way my popcorn is ready haha

[small star]

🤔

36m$ + t5

[vivid cipher]

Based on spreadsheet pages in here. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[small star]

… seems low … knowing already 9m$ of silv is in circulation ….

[vivid cipher]

But the USD value is not really relevant IMO. Value in sILV is more useful.

[small star]

Ouch… difficult to judge on that 🤔

[vivid cipher]

Yeah for sure. It’s just the floor based on revdis potential compared to ILV revdis potential. And I translate that by looking at scarcity of ILV compared to land. And assume (probably wrongly) that ILV price is based on potential for revdis.

[slate goblet]

I'll hardly buy land before auction 3

it's better to spend the money on illuvials, now we know we'll choose our team from deck of 30

[vivid cipher]

Not likely to be a good prediction of cost. But pretty good prediction of fuel return.

[vivid cipher]

Page two of that spreadsheet does the work to calculate value based on ILV price. It’s wonky but it was more of a fun for me to think about thing than actually estimating land prices.

[small star]

I think once people will understand the revdis potential it’s what will influence the price of ilv more than anything else. While for the land price I don’t know, too many unknown … difficult to predict. First would be important to see the repartition of the plots in each tiers. But who will be ready to bu my for how much … that’s too uncertain ….

FOMO will kick in when whales producting 100 silv a day will not care much of the $ value and just buy, people will see plot getting away from them and buy anything they can …

[hallow karma]

hi guys im new here

[vivid cipher]

!welcome checkout #💬〕general

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[hallow karma]

any idea if i can buy illuvium of BSC? or strictly ETH only

[cosmic aspen]

ETH mainnet only

[small star]

Deck of 30 ?

[dry plank]

Welcome 🙂

[hallow karma]

Thanks bro i was smacking my head searching for it on BSC hahahha

[vivid cipher]

#💬〕general message

Ben has another pinned message from awhile back in #💬〕general too

Basically a “card” is an nft asset playable in the autobattler. It’s not really a card.

[coarse ledge]

Hoping for ETH to pump big-time before the land sale. ETH to the moon!!!!!

[buoyant wasp]

Need eth 10k and ilv 1000

[swift spear]

As long as they pump together to minimise impermanent loss 😂

[viscid solar]

Won’t land x sILV be on immutable?

[buoyant wasp]

I think eventually now is still L1

[viscid solar]

Well I mean by time it releases, or is L1 the plan regardless?

[buoyant wasp]

Just realise the uniswap pool price just went up like 25%, I guess buying silv now just make good sense

[little moon]

im reading through the game design doc have yet to see if a player can own plots on different tiers with seperate operations?

[buoyant wasp]

The plan is to move to immutable X, I am not too sure of how the transit is going to happen or has it been discussed already thou

[humble ether]

im quite sure you can. i also do know there's a possibility of plots, that are next to each other, having benefits

[amber atlas]

to be bolder than that the plan is that many of the NFTs are reusable across many games, the core Illuvial NFTs will likely be the 'most' reusable asset

conjecture only, given that we don't even have one game out yet, but that's kind of the idea of creating our own universe (or do I have to call it metaverse to be cool)

[fierce glen]

Will Zero resources (fuel) or others to come be multi game applicable as well in theory?

[amber atlas]

well Fuel is already multi game applicable ... if you mean beyond Illuvium and Illuvium Zero, I would say it is a reasonable assumption

[fierce glen]

Yeah that's what I was getting at, exciting stuff

[fierce glen]

Quick question, can players who go t-0 land mint NFTs from blueprints discovered?

[inland smelt]

I think it wont be built on blockchain to avoid bot

[fierce glen]

Gotcha makes sense

[muted wadi]

Anyone know or willing to speculate on what will come first? Land sale or gameplay trailer

[obsidian field]

Would hope the trailer to get a bit more hype for the land sale after but who knows

[zinc basin]

Srry for noob question but how do we get sILV? I'm have ILV

[inland smelt]

stake it at https://staking.illuvium.io/

[rocky dew]

[quaint kiln]

how do start playing this game

someone should put me through

what is next after registration?

[muted wadi]

@quaint kiln game is still being made. If you scroll up and read there might be some interesting info for you to read

[quaint kiln]

Thank you

@muted wadi

[muted wadi]

Your welcome... also if you check ou this channels pinned section there is a document that goes into details about the game, although cause it's still being made those details might change

[obsidian field]

Probably a question for staking but do we really think there is enough time to stake if we start now to be worth it by the time the land sale hits? Or better to just put my money directly to the land sale?

[muted wadi]

Anyone know where the info about deck of 30 is

@obsidian field that is the question on many minds. If you stake though, you'll be able to earn some revenue distribution from the land sale

[obsidian field]

Sure but that’s not gonna to be usable for the land sale if I get it during the land sale right? Feels like I got here too late 😰

[muted wadi]

Also, if you stake, you could claim you reward in the sILV token, which in turn could be used to help purchase land

Also, I think this first round of land sales is only 20% of total land with future land sales to come, so there is definitely time for you @obsidian field !!!

[obsidian field]

Oh I know it’s 20% now but I haven’t seen any time frame for the other 80%. I know I can play on a t0 but I’d much rather snag something else from the start. Guess I’ll keep poking around and see.

[muted wadi]

I wish you success in whatever choice you make!!!

[dense cipher]

It s all about how much you gonna stake… if you are doing with 10 ILV I don’t think it will be worth for the sILV for the land sale

And of course depends on which land you want to buy

[obsidian field]

Honestly probably@just a t1 to get my feet wet

[still crag]

Hi community!

I've read there are some $ilv being on sale at exchanges like uniswap and sushi

Are this legit?

[mortal merlin]

!buy

[dry forge]

We recommend buying ILV on the main DEX here: https://app.sushi.com/swap?inputCurrency=ETH&outputCurrency=0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
After acquiring your ILV, make sure to add the ILV token to your wallet. You can find the contract address at https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/illuvium and in the case of MetaMask, you can just click on the Fox next to the contract address to add the token.

Here is a video that goes into detail how to buy ILV and stake it afterwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6YugU4zZr4

[still crag]

I know how I can buy ilv

[mortal merlin]

'I've read there are some $ilv being on sale at exchanges like uniswap and sushi'

You asked for ILV

[still crag]

But the token for $ilv is also available for exchange

[mortal merlin]

$ILV is ILV

$ is the ticker symbol

sILV is what you are talking about

And yes it is legit, just make sure to use the contract to make sure it's the good token.

[still crag]

Silv ok, sorry for the mistake then

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796506693973311549/889159678993526804/unknown.png

Yes

[shrewd dome]

Yep, I purchased some from Sushi. Just import Token address into Sushi or Uni

[still crag]

Ok

[feral hedge]

check sushi and uni both. sushi is out of liquidity atm.

[still crag]

Thx!

[hollow bay]

ILV or SILV, receive which is better

[minor steeple]

@hollow bay - There isn't 1 better option, it depends on what you want to use it for. sILV will be able to be used in-game whereas ILV is the governance token and cannot be used ingame

[brave pebble]

Hello guys, what is the ETA for ILV zero release andthe landsale?

[little moon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/791148476218081321/889207892899659827

[brave pebble]

sorry, scared to click on links :/

[little moon]

info is in the pins and the governance proposal initiating ILZ development. You gotta dig it up yourself if you dont want links though.

[onyx tinsel]

do i buy a land before or after beta wipe? why

[low geode]

I’m going to guess before. Idk that there will be land available after the land sale…

[low geode]

Or if there is, it will be on secondary markets and more expensive. You get to keep any blueprints or NFTs minted prior to the wipe, so that holds some weight, IMO

[fallow barn]

Almost certainly there will be more lands sales in the future. Pretty sure the first land sale is only 20% of available land...

[low geode]

I was understanding the question as purchasing during the first sale but yeah maybe they meant after the first sale…

[viscid patio]

Hi.. download area for illuvium APK ?

[fallow igloo]

When V1 comes out after the land sale will only be open to land owners? Or will there be T0 lands available to use at the same time or do those only come out after V2?

[acoustic igloo]

Where can I buy land and is the mobile version of game available for playing now?

[round stag]

When are the land sales?

[thorny crater]

Land info/mini game info

https://gov.illuvium.io/#/ilvgov.eth/proposal/QmNab3vqQX3q2yTNSo1rwK5PzPgE8QxRnEA13jKz8gWQu9

[dry plank]

Both Illuvium and Illuvium Zero haven’t been released yet. The first round of land will be sold through auction possibly around the end of October. Beta should open soon after I think.

[acoustic igloo]

thanks

[graceful geyser]

so all land will be auctioned even tier 1?

[little moon]

yes

[graceful geyser]

probably all whales will get it xD

[little moon]

isnt it only a percentage of all land being auctioned and the rest will be for purchase upon release?

20k of the 100k total in the first auction.

but we dont know how or when the rest will be sold. It will probably also be auctioned.

And if its all whales paying super high prices thats great. More distributions for the investors.

[obsidian field]

That’s great for investors but kinda sucks for the little guy who just want a small piece to play on

[vivid cipher]

Play for free. Using tier 0. You won’t earn anything. But you can play.

[obsidian field]

True and probably what my buddies with do but I actually wanted to feel like I’m progressing. Ah well I’m sure it’ll all work out

[fading flame]

Am I correct in saying that it is still unknown if we will be able to buy land with a combination of ETH + sILV?

[potent dock]

Still unknown, but also unlikely. I think there's technical issues with allowing both currencies in a single transaction.

[fading flame]

Thanks, that makes sense. The tricky part will be deciding on whether to take sILV staking rewards. If a user's rewards are less than the piece of land they want to purchase, they won't be able to use the sILV at all until the game is released.

[potent dock]

This is true, but being pegged to ILV price means that your sILV at least appreciates in that timeframe (at least in theory, if ILV goes up)

[fading flame]

And then can be used in-game...but do we know exactly what sILV will be used for?

[vivid cipher]

Yeah everything but player to player transactions

It’s an illuvium gift card.

Pay the game with sILV.

You just can’t pay another player in sILV.

[fading flame]

Thanks @vivid cipher and @potent dock , much appreciated

[potent dock]

Tell that to my relatives at Xmas... stupid gift cards lol

Maybe I'll get sILV this year...

[vivid cipher]

Imagine! “Hey I know you wanted ILV so I got you one this summer. My budget was $30 so I had to wait awhile.”

[thorny crater]

If I can't buy land Ill put all the ETH i am saving into ILV lol...Then stake it

[wide otter]

How to join giveaway?

[mystic birch]

@wide otter
You can Check out the latest announcements that have been posted check #📣〕announcements and #768749491171229716

[spice walrus]

Hi everybody, new to the community. Could you please help me understand what the Land in Illuvium is for? Thx in advance

[ivory bough]

Hey. Check this out #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[spice walrus]

Th a lot. What is the fuel for. Do you already know or we still wait for infos?

[ivory bough]

You can read all about it here #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[livid kestrel]

will the starting price of lands auction be in USD or sILV/ETH?

[ivory bough]

It is based on $ but you pay with Eth or sILV

[livid kestrel]

it means that if the T1 land is starting at $1000, now if I buy 1 sILV off the market. Saying that at land sales period, ILV is worth $1k, and sILV is 1:1 ILV, so I can buy T1 land with 1 sILV right?

[obsidian field]

Gonna need gas fees

[livid kestrel]

yeah i know, wanna know if my assumption is correct

[unkempt steeple]

Hey guys i have a question before go eat , when the 20K lots will be ,how many T1/T2/T3/T4/T5? + how much max we can have lands + all auction will be simultaneous?

[humble ether]

pretty much the answers to all those questions are undisclosed. mostly speculation but we should be hearing news at some point

[ivory bough]

Doesn't matter what ILV is at. sILV hold the same value in game. If land is like $1k (with current ILV price) you pay like 2 sILV

[rustic kayak]

Will 1.14 eth be enough to buy tier 2-3 land?

[shrewd dome]

Probably but there is no way to know for sure.

[rustic kayak]

Ok awesome! Well just have to wait and see! Thanks

[little moon]

how ?

[ivory vine]

For the current GiveAways please check:
#📣〕announcements message
#📣〕announcements message

[thorny crater]

Yes

[thorny crater]

Yeah it will be a Dutch auctions so no one know 100% what the buying price will be

For all the mini game/land info :

https://gov.illuvium.io/#/proposal/QmNab3vqQX3q2yTNSo1rwK5PzPgE8QxRnEA13jKz8gWQu9

[timber phoenix]

COMO JUEGO

[thorny crater]

Yo hablo un poco de espanol

#796506693973311549

[obsidian field]

@amber atlas no rush but curious about any sorta beta for zero or at least some game play stuff. Iv read the pinned documents but was looking for something more before we commit funds to land. Was advised you might be the man to see.

[thorny crater]

Not sure if you saw these two site shared a while back. But good reads while waiting for a response:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/867823747330474014/SPOILER_Illuvium_Zero_GDD.pdf#page11

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857471213513605140/872697327503163453/IZGDD-Tokenomics.pdf#page11

[obsidian field]

Thanks but Iv read those a few times now

[thorny crater]

Same haha

I made note cards for the materials cause i 1000% nerding 🤓out to this game…..its like waiting for Christmas Day when youre 8

[obsidian field]

Haha for sure. My hope is this will replace my teams last game we played competitively. So lots of research to do

[rustic kayak]

Thank you!

[thorny crater]

Right! I literal quit all other games, selling my switch lol, bought a gaming laptop only turn on once to set thing up haha. All i do is work practice coding, and learning illuvium/NFTs, and crypto haha

[obsidian field]

I get paid to play games at work and I have a bad back so I can’t sit at a desk like that. #mobilemasterrace

[thorny crater]

Oof Yeah i am constantly look for ways to mitigate bad posture when i sit. I have a set up to where i can lean back 100% and be comfortable doing the due

[uneven elbow]

Still going for the T1 lands 👀

[thorny crater]

Awe meh yeah. 2-5 would be a bonus but if not 1-2 T0s for sure

If i fail at getting lands all the ETH I’m saving will just go into staking TBH

[uneven elbow]

Yeah either want a T2 or a couple of T1

[thorny crater]

Just need to win the lotto real quick to get a t5

[uneven elbow]

This is the way

[fast edge]

I'm not too sure if even winning the lottos can get you enough for a T5 TBH unless it's like 5million or more 💰

[thorny crater]

I mean the lotto is 400 million last i check so after taxes about 280 million to spend:
-1 mill going into my APY account
-5 mill into fixed income life insurance policy
-20 mill going to BTC/ETH 10 each

Leaving 254 mill left over lol

Just enough for 1 T5 😜

[thorny crater]

If only though🥺 i could have the job title i always dreamed of = Retired.

Spend my days coding/illuvium, working out, coding/illuvium, meditating, coding/illuvium, traveling. Repeat lol

I could do that with 1 million to be honest.

[slate goblet]

I wonder how land renting would work. I expect that when all structures are on lvl max there won't be anything else to do on the land, so why would a land owner rent it?

And while the land is being upgraded, I know some structures require resources and even fuel to be upgraded. Who'd pay for them? the owner or the lessee?

And even while the upgrading, how much time will a land require? I expect that we'll start the upgrade and set a timer for when the next upgrade will be possible, and nothing else will need to be done. So why rent it?

I'd see it more of a traditional job than renting. The land owner pays an employee to do the job. Not somebody rent a land and play it for profit.

[thorny crater]

Great questions. For me I’d see it as a house rental. I’d take care of upkeep and then charge a fee based on my expense and market demand.

T5 just arena profits alone, to have someone else manage…..like a franchise McDonalds…i get 13% per month standard fee (i forgot how they do this part) plus a % of total gross sales. Incredible deal tbh

Also too i think i read even when lets say everything is upgraded, you still have to go an collect. It’s not automatic….so now you got me thinking does the renter get all the resources as well?

I would say yeah on my part and just I what I need. But Renting can become super complicated quick

[slate goblet]

Yeah there's the collection, but I had read we can stock fuels for months without needing to collect, and I doubt owners would rent that part 😄

T5 yeah they may require some special work!

[lucid karma]

T5 may end up being small companies with staff to manage everything

[slate goblet]

The comparison I see in illuvial or armor x land:

• land requires less action to play, IZ is intrinsically an idle game, while illuvial and armor are useless when they're idle

• land provides passive income by itself, so land owners alrdy have it, while illuvial and armor owners earn nothing when they are idle, which creates the need for renting

• illuvials have the need to be trained to lvl up, but I'd not see training an illuvial as a job, but I might be wrong and some ppl might be willing to pay for other player to train them

[thorny crater]

True. For me for train would depend. Like in Pokémon if you give it to that caregiver, and she gets to pick the new moves they learn = gross.

But if the moves/skills set in stone. Why not while im at work.

As for the land aspect i agree 100%. It’s why I’m saving everything i can to buy 2 T1 or a t2-4. Bonus with this is i want to be a smith/extractor more than PVP is my end goal

[quasi tinsel]

Would you be able to set up multiple land plots to generate resources for 1 account? If so what would be the max and what would stop whales from hoarding everything to completely monopolize the in-game market? Restricted a number of plots to an account wouldn't be perfectly ideal, but neither would the opposite.

Also, if 2 people go in on a plot of land together to get a higher tier plot would they be able to split the resources or would the 1 account be able to send resources to the other persons account cost free? or would it have to go to a public market preventing the sharing of resources?

[little moon]

All the ingame resources created by land will also be created by the DAO and added to the LPs that the resources trade on. So whales could influence the price but they wont have complete control.
At the moment I think we are looking at 1 land 1 account. There is still a lot of time left for development of this game so more details will come out with time.

[thorny crater]

There is no max. I could buy all the T5s if I had the cash flow.

BUT the DAO has the right to reserve a t5 for themselves and some other aspects. Still early for most details

[quasi tinsel]

Perfect, thank you! Any idea on the sharing of resources with a friend or second account?

[little moon]

I imagine you would be able to. There will be a gas fee for transactions until Immutable X launches support for tokens and LPs on L2.

[quasi tinsel]

I was mostly curious if lets say someone had the funds to buy 2 or 3 tier 2 plots that would generate the almost the same amount, the same, or even more than a single tier 3, but potentially cost less than a tier 3 then would multiple plots be able to resource 1 account. And then the game economy ramifications of that kind of thing. If you can only use 1 at a time (which I think would be most ideal, especially in spreading the wealth to the community/player base) that would change how people buy in the land sale. Obviously wouldn't change how much land people buy to then flip for a profit though.

[quasi tinsel]

Thank you again! Of course there will always be a gas fee 😦 but if that is the cost splitting land cost with someone for a share of higher tier resources then it could potentially be worth the trouble. Any idea on that potential launch date?

[thorny crater]

Yeah that won’t happen lol. Capitalism is a big thing with the economy with this, which i like, but i am also concerned as yourself. But if everyone Ghent’s to participate then capitalism is awesome, but if it become just whales making the rules then yeah it would be as fun.

That’s said though, redivs. We get back 100 % of the profits distributed to the stake holders. So we want the whales to pay top dollars, pluse the DAO can adjust things as needed if stuff gets to one sided.

I want two T1s or a 2-5….i wont be v\able to get a 5new more than likely but i could dream lol

[uneven elbow]

I suppose even tho it takes longer to get fuel for T1 you could just build up the resources over time and sell when you have bulk? Be interesting to see how it works

[slate goblet]

yes that's what I understand too 🙂

[thorny crater]

^^ yup you can hold till there is a fuel shortage and then flood the market getting great prices. From what i understood is a supply and demand ecosystem

[uneven elbow]

Sounds like a plan for the shrimps to come together 😏

[thorny crater]

That’s a lot of shrimp 🍤

[thorny crater]

But t1 do not product fuel so that’s why I’m trying to get a t2-4

[uneven elbow]

Yeah we shall see, like you said if I don’t get land I’ll prob stake majority that I have and using a portion of it to get geared up with everything on over world the catch illuvials and travel 👌🏼 if you stake which pool you going for? @thorny crater

[thorny crater]

Just the ILV. Least risky gets you governance, and i can just claim for ILV where ill get more rediv every time a purchase is made. @uneven elbow

[slate goblet]

Aaron said that the DAO will have fluctuated production so fuels prices are kept stable

[thorny crater]

Well that’s good. I’d vote that’s up lol

[uneven elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/kummeli-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-12348671 sounds like a plan brother

[amber atlas]

there will be gameplay footage before the land sale, how long before I'm not sure... I don't think there will be a released build before that time, the problem with a leak right now is mainly that the game is in a bit of an awkward stage, it has a lot of final art in there, but also some placeholder art, and thus it feels a bit disjointed

[distant lotus]

Thanks for keeping us updated mate, much appreciated! What part of the game are you most excited about?

[slate goblet]

that's normal don't worry 🙂

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/large-duck-cute-giant-duck-huge-duck-gif-17586378

The Placeholder

I wouldn’t even be mad 😂

[fading flame]

Did you basically buy a laptop that can handle high-end games, or are the hardware requirements for Illuvium already known?

[vivid cipher]

Not officially no. They want middle of the road computers to handle it fine. Someone has mentioned 1050ti. But it’s not official

Of course that is the maingame and not #🎮〕illuvium-zero which will be on mobile

[buoyant wasp]

Wow someone just dumped like 300 silv in the secondary pool , now price is 1:3 , too bad I am out of ammo 😦

[thorny crater]

I looked up min requirements for unreal engine 4 games which I think they said 1060….so I went higher lol

[amber atlas]

lol

[arctic garnet]

whats the pool?

[buoyant wasp]

https://www.dextools.io/app/ether/pair-explorer/0x13cf86f52d4a3000ca7349ce5cf107c248dfea81

[arctic garnet]

tks

[terse peak]

its no longer 1:3 😩

[buoyant wasp]

Ya fastest finger 🙂 too bad I have no eth left

[terse peak]

it seems to be a cycle, ill wait for it to drop below 0.059 sILV/ETH ratio again i guess. Unless it gets to a point when liquidity runs out. But im just itchy, I don't actually need to buy

Was just hoping to top up a little bit more for land. Ah wells...

[obsidian field]

Still time

[little moon]

sad day when you have no money left to buy the dip

[dense cipher]

lol

[distant lotus]

Yup, I was all in on everything too soon!

[ivory sage]

How much tier 4 land will cost... Any guess

[ivory vine]

Your guess is as good as any other. There is nothing that will let you estimate this. It will start with a incredibly high price and slowly go down with time until someone buys. The market will determine the price.

[south laurel]

Hello, do we already have info on the estimated cost of the tiers of land? And when will the auction be held?

[ivory sage]

How high t-4 ... 1 M

[ivory vine]

No on the date and for costs look at the message above yours 🙂

[ivory sage]

Will t-4 start at 1M

[fathom ridge]

It could start at 100M and if anyone want to pay that much it’s possible ahhahaha

Prices will start high and go lower. First bid wins. (Dutch auction)

[dense cipher]

lol

[brave pebble]

hello guys, will people be able to sell land on secondary market after the auction?

[crisp blaze]

Hi guys, since fuel only becomes available on T2 land and above, is there any advantage to owning T1 land?

[tough field]

Will be there a limit of lands a single user can purchase during the land sale? This limit should exists to better distribute the lands between users and give anyone a chance to have one, right?

[tough field]

From tier 1 and above, all lands will be NFTs. So yes, it will be possible to sell them.

[obsidian field]

I saw someone mention yesterday there is no limit to how many you can buy but I haven’t seen anything official about it pinned anywhere

[tough field]

We should encourage people to buy the lands to play on them and bring real benefits to the game. There will be of course users that will buy lands only with the purpose of selling them later with profit. That's is not beneficial to the game and to the community, so we should apply mechanisms during the land sale to avoid that, like limiting the number of lands per user (at least on oficial land sale), and try to better filter the bids.

[obsidian field]

I’m not saying we shouldn’t just that I read there isn’t a plan currently to limit people. I certainly fear that whales will scoop everything up and the rest of us looking to actually play will be sol.

[tough field]

I am worried about that too

[obsidian field]

The rational was that even if whales buy everything that income goes right back to the people in the stake pool so it’s not really hurting anyone. I however think the game will be very short lived if the cost of entry is too high and land isn’t available to the average player. But just like any game we’re gonna have whales and they are gonna make life miserable for the rest of us. Have learned that lesson in nearly every game Iv ever played

[ivory vine]

For whales to scoop up everything they would have to snipe all lands at incredibly high prices which would mean a ton of revenue and a ton of publicity for the DAO = win/win. No limitations thus on purchases.

[obsidian field]

And while I understand the main game will be completely ftp if you’d like not everyone is interested in that portion of the game. Personally the city building and resources harvesting/management is what I’m after and it’s a shame there isn’t a way to get that without spending (excluding t0 which should be worthless and not connected to the game anyway)

[tough field]

That is a point. But if whales use sILV for most of the purchase, there will not be to much revenue. Only a deflation of the ILV token, but I did not calculate if that deflation has potencial to have a big impact

[obsidian field]

And even if there is a ton of revenue who do you think has a majority stake in the pools? I’d assume the same whales who buy up all the land.

Could be wrong though

[ivory vine]

For whales to get all lands with sILV only, they would have to burn a ton of ILV = long-term again good for the DAO and it doesn't remove the fact that the value of sILV still was spent on that land = publicity.

[ivory sage]

Hi guys. if anyone interested in creating dao for buying T-5 land ... It would be great ...

This how things goes -
First buying the T-5 land with the treasury ... (Treasury will be filled by u guys )

If a t-5 piece is sucess purchased... Dao tocken would be formed and distributed according to the contribution of each

Any future build in land will be desided by dao vote...

Revenue from land would go to dao treasury

.....

[tough field]

Thanks @ivory vine , Good points for both sides. I will think about that

[hasty wagon]

Hey @ivory vine how are things? Been off the channel for more than a month (was busy with Star Atlas).

What's up with the Illuvium Zero land sale? Any early price indications? Also, is there an in-game mechanics where people can share buying a piece of land?

[ivory vine]

No details yet about starting price, auction date or the possibility of land fractionalization. Gotta wait for info on that, sorry 🙂

[ivory sage]

Will the surface area of t-5 will be same as T-1

[obsidian field]

Can others utilize my land if I grant them some sort of access?

[ivory vine]

Try to check out the GDDs pinned in this channel and search for Aaron | Illuvium and JohnnyA | Illuvium in this channel. That's most of the info that exists so far (and some GDD parts have changed according to info from Aaron/Johnny in here) 🙂

[ivory sage]

Thx

[crisp blaze]

Hi according to a message from Aaron, T1-5 land can produce fuel, but according to a more recent pinned message from suatmm T1 land can't produce fuel. Is there a GDD link where I can verify if T1 is worth potentially trying to buy?

[ivory vine]

GDDs pinned in here + searching for Aaron/JohnnyA to see if any changes to the GDDs were confirmed would be the way to go here.

[crisp blaze]

Thank you

[mild pewter]

T4 17500 .... I hope its true

[vivid cipher]

Where I say floor I don’t actually think the price will get that low. It’s just the price shouldn’t get lower based on current ILV valuation.

[small star]

I don’t see that happening but I hope I’m wrong, I’ll take 2 😬

[ivory sage]

30k -50k I am happy to buy in... But if it goes 200k-1M ... 😢

[vivid cipher]

It’s hard to know. But I really think there will be around 500 of 2500 t4 in the first sale.

My guess is there won’t be enough sILV to get it all if it’s selling above 200k. So… ETH revdisssssss

Or maybe I’m wrong.

Nope. Not wrong.

[ivory sage]

Can t-4 generate 500$ a day... Than I can compare them to cyberkong... Extremely stupid question but still by your guts

[vivid cipher]

I don’t guess at what USD revdis will be.

If my guess of each tier being 3x rarer than the tier below it is correct… then t4 would earn about the same revdis as would 35 ILV if it were staked.

[ivory sage]

Wait... 35 ilv for month or year or day

[vivid cipher]

No.

[fierce glen]

hey @ivory vine , just wanted to confirm that blueprints **won't **include the "discover % reward" where someone get's a cut from that blueprints use if they are the first to discover? As it's still in the GDD

[ivory vine]

Not sure what the latest status is on that, sorry.

[ivory sage]

OK I get... It would earn 35ilv if stacked in single sided pool

[fierce glen]

no worries ty

[vivid cipher]

I think Johnny and Aaron were leaning away from that.

[fierce glen]

yeah that's the last I heard, but haven't seen anything official on it

[vivid cipher]

If you staked 35ilv you could earn a similar amount of revdis from that as you would from the fuel produced by a t4 land. (If my guess is correct. Which it won’t be exactly)

ALL land receives 5% of total fuel sales revenue.

[ivory sage]

Thank you... I guess my 500 ilv would earn more reward locked in stack... Than me buying tier 4 ...

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Unless there are only like 150 t4s. But there will be more than that.

[dark mulch]

Hi! I'm New Here 🙂

[ivory sage]

How about T-2

[vivid cipher]

!welcome

[dry forge]

Welcome! Wondering where to get started and learn more? The #791148036935516161 section has all the information you need. From a brief overview to links that lead to highly detailed information. Also, be sure to check out these channels in the discord to stay up to date: #✍〕rules #📣〕announcements #❓〕faq #🚰〕leaks

[vivid cipher]

Play around with sheet 1 & 2 of this document…. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mjxD-MjO4eSG8IKTRewCzWbv6cYt1BVwFV276HyJPHA/edit#gid=0

[fierce glen]

Will going off chain (f2p) on Illuvium: Zero have any benefit?

[vivid cipher]

Not financially

No ownership

[fierce glen]

what about practically? Like does it connect, or can it connect to my main ilv game

giving fuel/blueprints ect

[vivid cipher]

No.

No blueprints. Blueprints are NFTs.

[fierce glen]

so then begs the question, what's the point of f2p ilv zero? Not trying to be rude or anything just gathering info for yt lol

[vivid cipher]

Yeah it’s just a game. Like any other game. No ownership of assets.

Same as f2p in illuvium main game.

[fierce glen]

yeah but in ilv main you can grind to profit

[vivid cipher]

MAYBE

[fierce glen]

no worries, was just curious to get the right info on f2p ilv zero

[vivid cipher]

I guess it might be possible for there to be t0 blueprints that are actual NFTs. But I doubt it. This would be similar to how t0 illuvials would work. But…

[fierce glen]

yeah just thought there might be a fun use case where it's not a nft but it can connect to your main character, so you can still style yourself but can't profit on it

[vivid cipher]

Yeah maybe they’ll do something like that. But if they are going to make t0 illuvials NFTs then why make anything that isn’t an NFT?

[vivid cipher]

Honestly I personally like that idea. I think t0 illuvials need not be NFTs. Create a bit more opportunities for f2p players to enjoy the game. but this would likely reduce the number of players wanting to make the jump to the play to earn model.

It reduces the ownership though.

[obsidian field]

If we can’t start ftp to earn what will the minimum game starting amount look like? Do we know? I know for illuvium zero it’s a land tile but the main game I though was going to have a way to play completely ftp

[fierce glen]

i think they have a good plan in place where all illuvials are nfts, it allows for true marketplace and barrier to entry being free if you want but in exchange for massive time

[fierce glen]

it does have a way for f2p, he's just speculating what ifs basically

[vivid cipher]

Or early adopter

[ivory vine]

T0 Illuvials will be NFTs since they can be sold on the IlluviDEX

[obsidian field]

Ok cool. I don’t spending a bit but I got friends who probably can’t. Would be a bummer if we couldn’t play together

[ivory vine]

That's one way to get from free to play to the earning parts. At least IF(!!!) there is a demand for T0 stuff (which I still expect there to be since everyone needs them to beat T1+). For IZ though, you need at least T1+ land. No chance to get something from T0 afaik.

[fierce glen]

you're all good, they'll be able to enjoy it too

[vivid cipher]

If you battle each other you may need to play without your best illuvials to make it fair. But that’s ok.

[obsidian field]

Not being able to play iz ftp and earn is sorta a bummer because idk if I can afford it but I see why it’s like that. Just want the main game to be ftp so it’ll draw more users

[vivid cipher]

And if they play long enough and well enough they could get some better ones eventually

[ivory vine]

Free to Earn economies are unsustainable. Having the option at all to get from T0 to T1+ with selling T0 Illuvials in the main game would be nothing more than a bonus for as long as it might last. There is no intention at all to guarantee this. So obviously there is no counterpart to this in IZ either since here the whole gameplay can be enjoyed with free lands.

[obsidian field]

Sure but I thought the idea was with enough time anything is possible

[fierce glen]

sorry gona keep picking your brain, can land be sold on secondary market? Let's say 6 months from now I'm wanting to cash out with everything I've built in IZ

[ivory vine]

It's a NFT, of course you can sell it. How soon that's available via the IlluviDEX I cannot say, but in general, yes, you can sell it 🙂

[fierce glen]

noice, thanks

[vivid cipher]

Have you guys heard whether they plan on structures to be permanently linked to the NFT or to the player account?

[fierce glen]

that last part about playing iz free but not making anything just shook me....me thinking - "who would play a game that you can't own the assets?" - Revolution has taken over my mind lol

[viscid solar]

It’s amazing how much stuff are NFTs in this game

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-final-space-tribore-autobattler-rpg-gif-22423184

[fierce glen]

gonna be one wild ride!

[dusty scaffold]

any idea how dutch auction is held? is there a set price while ppl bid for it? if they wan they can just buy at the set price or just a set period when it ends, the highest bidder get the land?

[vivid cipher]

Each individual nft will have its own Dutch auction. Many running simultaneously.

The price will start very high and go down overtime. When someone decides the price is a good buy they will buy it. The auction for that NFT will be over because that person bought it.

[fierce glen]

what was the "anticipated" land sale date roughly?

[vivid cipher]

Early November

Late October maybe

[fierce glen]

q4, perfect thanks

[sand radish]

For the land sales the sILV will be worth 1:1 with ILV right ? How is that suppose to work (i mean right now sILV is not close to ILV at all). Is it really worth to buy some in hope to get some piece of land ? ^^

[ivory bough]

Unofficial pools give their own prices. But in game and anything related to game, sILV should have the same value as ILV, but with different utilities

yeah I believe so. Until IMX really starts operating I guess OpenSea is the main market, but I'm not sure

[vivid cipher]

It works because sILV is like a gift card. Illuvium can decide it’s value “in game” (and in land sale) and that will always be 1:1 with ILV. The open market can make a different decision.

[onyx tinsel]

sILV collected during landsale is burned, ETH collected during landsale is revdis. Let's say out of 1-3M sILV 2M is burned then ILV FDV is roughly 20% more. Would you prefer more ETH collected or more sILV burned? What about a whale with huge stake size?

[ivory sage]

Hole point of nft is u can sell to other players

[fierce glen]

well yeah, i was clarifying if the land itself was an nft or just the resources from it

[ivory sage]

I also have same question

[potent dock]

This is how my brain works - I could sell you 1 ETH for $1 USD. That doesn't mean 1 ETH is worth $1 USD, just that I sold you one at that price.

Similarly, people are selling sILV on secondary markets for literally whatever price they can (ends up being around $200 right now), but sILV for all in-game purchases is pegged to ILV.

It's like how someone could sell you a gift card for a restaurant they don't intend to eat at for less than the gift card is worth.

Probably a better example, that.

[potent dock]

Both end up benefitting the price in different ways - I'm equally happy with both TBH.

[ivory sage]

If the land is not a nft I would not buy it even for a 50$

[thorny crater]

I’m buying no matter what lol. NFTs, the money making aspect, etc are just bonuses.

Here for the game itself, would 12/10 put down $30+ per month just to play it.

[kind wave]

What secondary market might that be?

[potent dock]

sILV has been for sale unofficially on Sushiswap and Uniswap.

Keep in mind that there's no official liquidity pool on either of these sites for sILV, so use at your own risk. You can find sILV by the token address.

!contract

[dry forge]

ILV Token: 0x767fe9edc9e0df98e07454847909b5e959d7ca0e
ETH/ILV SLP Token: 0x6a091a3406e0073c3cd6340122143009adac0eda
sILV Token: 0x398aea1c9ceb7de800284bb399a15e0efe5a9ec2

[fading fulcrum]

I suspect that sILV will skyrocket when they release some official information about the land sale.

[little moon]

I think it will be equivanlent to ILV

[thorny crater]

sILV is 1:1 with ILV. (Official markets)

[potent dock]

I'll eat a sock on stream if sILV on secondary markets is the same price as ILV. I think it will get to within 80 or 90% though.

Let's be diligent with our language though - sILV is pegged to ILV for in-game spending. sILV on secondary markets is totally different.

[fading fulcrum]

right now sILV = 43% ILV, even if it got to 80% thats almost 2x

[thorny crater]

That’s un officials markets aka secondary markets

[potent dock]

If used for land or in-game, it's basically 2.5x the secondary price. That's good bang for your buck!

[thorny crater]

Which i have a question about.

Why is illuvium allowing this secondary sILV to be bought and used.

[potent dock]

I think post launch is when we'll see sILV on secondary markets stabilize at 70-90% of ILV price.

[potent dock]

Well, sILV is an ERC20 token. How do you stop people from trading an ERC20 token?

[fading fulcrum]

its a crypto currency, they don't really have control over what the market does with it.

[thorny crater]

Ah. Gotcha makes sense because ILV isn’t anything in game. So that is technically a token right?

New to crypto in general FYI

[potent dock]

Don't get me wrong - there are solutions which weren't implemented to stop people from "getting" their sILV until there was a use case, but people claiming rewards as sILV to sell on secondary markets isn't really a bad thing. Every sILV claimed decreases the maximum amount of ILV.

[fallow barn]

Quick thought before I start work. The current price of Silv means that the land sale will be more successful as people can have afford more then what they would be able to if it were pegged to Ilv. Higher land sales is better for everyone.

[potent dock]

It doesn't have much to do with ILV, it's just like... sILV, once it's in someone's wallet, is just a token, and can be traded like any other token.

[fading fulcrum]

ILV and sILV are both ERC20 tokens, they just have different uses. Currently there's no use for sILV so the market values it lower.

[tender marsh]

Free flowing sILV is good for illuvium. It allows people the ability to leverage/deleverage. As well as add a gamble element to it. promote more sILV claim.

[thorny crater]

Ohhhhh i see now. I can sell my sILV on secondary markets to make my ETH.

Sweet thanks i get it now