🎮〕illuvium-zero

[radiant sky]

Ignore dm's he's a scammer

[nova epoch]

[radiant sky]

Mint the blueprint, and send the minted blueprint nfts to your passport from the wallet your Land is on

[nova epoch]

I'm lazy

[tardy falcon]

A mega city can be formed when u have 4 or 9 plots in a square. You can either buy them as a package from someone who has them… or buy one buy one over time.

Is it worth it?
Illuvium focus is on arena and mmo
There will be no significant development aside from basic updates to zero for the foreseeable future.

That said… if illuvium starts making a shit ton of revenue then maybe revenue share for land can be good.

But to put in perspective…. For every million dollars of revenue a t4 can get between $25-200. That range is so large because it presupposes that every land plot is active and burning fuel… all the way to a small portion of plots burning fuel. The latter being most likely for a while.

[pseudo elm]

do you think there might be more use for the blueprints since arena is more of a focus right now?

[rose thicket]

Reading this clarified to me how crude and damning this change truly is to Landholders. Following basic game theory landholders are now incentivized to hoard as much fuel as possible and time their burn for the period when revenue will spike, such as a Beyond sale, and those with insider knowledge can time their sales just like politicians or 'Wall Street.' Compounding the problem is the fact that there is no transparent reporting of revenue, so you can never properly reconcile your fuel being burned. I am afraid this short-sighted "emergency change will prove riddled with confusion and easily corruptible as it plays out. It actually invites it by first principles and incentives. And like other short-cited constructs like the 19:1 fuel exchange that would obviously create exponential excess in fuel supply, but nobody on the team was either competent enough to understand it or, worse, even cared.

[tardy falcon]

Land was a good idea in the beginning but implementation has proven very difficult… now it is a problem. So they chose to put Land in a corner…

I agree it essentially pits Landholders against each other and is an awful feeling mechanic.

[fair temple]

Wasnt land always pitted against one another to get the best prices for your fuel? You list it, someone else lists lower... rivalry ensues.

[rose thicket]

Landholders were pitted against the 'failure to perform' in the production of the product sold. One of the most obvious negligence was having a feasible fiat on ramp, no fungibility for fuel, and no coherent game loop to generate demand. Adding the 19:1 fuel supply creation mechanism to work around the IMX NFT store limitations was just insult to injury.

[tardy falcon]

I wasn’t much into selling… I preferred to send it to my account and use it

Now I am forced to compete

[fair temple]

Idk, it is like some people staking more ILV for a month during beyond wave kickoff period. It doesnt really matter does it?
You either do dilligence on how to make the most money (around specific sales) or you dollar cost average your sales.

Probably better if you time the market with your fuel sales. But once we have multiple games it becomes less and less intuitive. Imagine a new Overworld drone run taking place every 3 runs, at the half time of beyond waves. You'll have two moments to sell. Now add 5 more games. And at some point it will balance out.

From my perspective, if you spend 500$ getting land then you'll likely do some research on how to make the highest roi, or you enjoy playing the game and it isnt a big deal.

[fair temple]

That has nothing to do with "being corruptible" the previous system was just as easily corruptible with people hogging fuel for a month and forcing people to sell fuel at top rail or otherwise bottom rails at unanticipated times.

[rose thicket]

I would call that naive wishful thinking, but I understand where you are coming from. And I am sure you will a much better mentality to have fun with this than will I. So, in the end, your mindset will be much better off. I only come on here and banter while working through my land bubble popping

[fair temple]

That was the entire ides tho!

[rose thicket]

My point is that there will be actors who know exactly where fuel sales are or have people with access to that info. I could be one of them...

[fair temple]

Yeah im not too bothered by the changes tbh. I understand the sentiment of feeling like you lost out, but there is also so much crying to retain value, it is indecent.

[astral nimbus]

Thanks for the reply. So these plots have to be beside each other & they have to be square? Ok thanks bud I think I'll forget the mega city! Aye im usually just playing overworld and arena but I've been away from gaming computer few weeks and thought zero would be good way to stay in touch with game and learn another side of it.

[rose thicket]

Concede to your point. Land was always a hope to generate some passive renewable income and for my son to learn a a bit about economics/business. I have no R&R yield from this stuff so that is my problem.

[fair temple]

Always 🙂 but that would have also bren the case in the previous system (worse had we had a community that bought enough fuel)

[tardy falcon]

The choices illuvium has made in regard to land and landholders has created this monster.

With beyond they listen and continually develop… making the game better and better. With land they feel it’s a burden… but ppl are still here and trying to make something out of it.

[fair temple]

Imagine Polemos with 600+ plots of land that just hodld fuel for a week. Thats 3% less fuel, likely a majority being high tier plots.

Now those plots will all burn during an expected high revenue peak, and in turn cause a dump in actual revenue per fuel. So maybe dollar cost averaging would be smarter 😄

[rose thicket]

It's why I drafted IIP-64 for fair disclosure to landholders. It got 100% thumbs up, and on the final IMC vote two people shot it down.

[fair temple]

I need to look back to IIP 64. Sorry ser

[tardy falcon]

If it were up to illuvium they would scrap land I bet

[fair temple]

Maybe. Sounds sad tho. I wouldve loved a good mobile city builder game

[rose thicket]

By the way ILV dumped in the same time period and five months prior to FTX collapse. Wonder how that happened?

[fair temple]

Global crypto dump?

[tardy falcon]

Whatever the origins are they developed a game… and haven’t put adequate effort to build it up despite having a solid player base. So yah… zero will continue to be a cancer of disappointment until it receives proper handling.

[rose thicket]

top line is BTC

bottom w/ ashi candles is ILV

[fair temple]

Nah this was purely due to the unlocking of tokens around that time.

[rose thicket]

This looks like a classic liquidity exit to me

[fair temple]

Yeah very likely early investors jumping out prior to that nuke where tons of people sold after unlocking from the TGE after one year.

I personally was telling everyone that a lot of tokens would unlock in June 2022. I however had no clue that it would affect price back then 🤣

But that wasnt much of a price stimulation

[rose thicket]

grok's breakdown of the unlock

From June 3, 2022, to November 10, 2022, ILV underperformed BTC by approximately 37.9%. From June 3, 2022, to November 10, 2022, ILV underperformed ETH by approximately 50.86%.

November 11th was the FTX collapse.

[pure fable]

we still need all nexus for building number right?
so you still need 4 nexus on 2x2

or was there a change that you only need one nexus?

[radiant sky]

Only need one, Same with QF and EWS.
Apparently there's a Bug according to a community member that you need to Max out to lvl9 the 4 Nexus before deleting 3

[fair temple]

idk where he got march. sale started on July first. So people locked for a year by then. and on July 1st 2022 we saw the first major unlocking happen. also visible on the ilv/eth chart.

[livid nebula]

@radiant sky My megacity has been frozen (infinite loading screen on Mac, Windows, and Ios) and unplayable for 3 months now. I have a ticket in, but after 2 months they stopped responding to my requests for updates. Could you please escalate this to someone who can look into and resolve the issue?

[vivid cipher]

The fix should be included in the updated build that is in internal testnet testing right now. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[tardy falcon]

U don’t need to… but if you want max buildings then each needs to be maxed from each plot

Then delete…

So if 3 are at level 9 but one is level 7 you can still delete the three level nine and bring up the level 7 to nine and then get max buildings.

But if you delete the level 7 and two level nines you won’t have max buildings possible and will have to rebuild nexus to nine on that plot

[pseudo pulsar]

Ill buy it put moongates up to travel from land to land 2d pathways across all the lands as open mmo light

[rose thicket]

Anyone read IIP-EP-1 - Illuvium - Fuel Exchange and Economic Model Rework?

[pseudo pulsar]

Nope any thing good ?

Just seen more fuel storage for fluctuation

for early on development

3 fuel turns to one utility coin

[tardy falcon]

yah why?

[rose thicket]

thoughts?

[twin sequoia]

what curious about the numbers ... and did mine. Without converters, T4 landmark and with the same path bonus, they match

as this is proportional, it doesn´t matter the path bonus, the science costs or the period, only the % of fuel and the revenue

For example, a $60 T1 would need 105M for break even. A T4 at $1000 only 49M

[rose thicket]

its worse than that because you also have to perfectly align your burn of fuel for the periods when the revenue is receipted. this was not even addressed as an issue in the IIP-EP-1 .

[twin sequoia]

But it is only theory, for the fun, can be sent to the trash

[tardy falcon]

Well. Bluntly put, I think it's terrible for land.
And yet to be seen if it will be good for Illuvium.

From a landowner perspective, it detaches land from the Illuvium economy and puts Zero safely in a corner so they don't have to think about it much other than basic maintenance. Thus allowing them to focus on Arena and MMO. So in terms of Zero development... it's stagnant and ded. To boot landowners cannot send fuel from land to account anymore so players are forced to BURN fuel in order to gain a percentage of the 5% revenue share.

In terms of the bigger picture... it's good they did something. The old model was a fkng slow trainwreck. The changes essentially simplify the economic model and makes it easier for them to dev and onboard. Therefore costing less to maintain and balance. Those are all good things.

As a landowner though it feels terrible though... cuz no one on the team is an advocate for Zero development. We need a Rogier for land... but land has no one.

[twin sequoia]

But that happens for everybody so, like an average, it is the same

[tardy falcon]

It's likely that a fraction of people will actually play. I'd estimate maybe 1000 plots will get played... like 5% of supply

[twin sequoia]

Yes, that an other factors can make a break even very soon for those that bougth the plot recently

[rose thicket]

No, think it through. When introducing "periods of performance prior to settlement," it introduces duration risk. So if you say contribute 1% of all fuel through all periods, it is not the same as if you produce, say, 10% of fuel for only periods of high revenue such as Beyond sales.

[twin sequoia]

but, as al the number are in theory, I in theory assume that all people will do the same in those periods

[tardy falcon]

What I think is also sad is that these huge changes are supposed to bring new enthusiasm and excitement... but instead it seems like the opposite. Discord seems quieter... I don't hear people raving and cheering because of the proposal.

[rose thicket]

well, I am not going to assume anything in Illuvium. I have been surprised and underwhelmed at every turn.

[twin sequoia]

That´s why I say only the % of fuel produced and the time to get the revenue are importan (5% of revdiv for landowners is taken into account)

[twin sequoia]

I don´t think that. It is to make a basement for the ecosystem, so it can evolve with less volatility

[rose thicket]

It is not a proposal. Simply a staff member writing a justification for what Kieran wants. So reduce everything down to the minimal burn and permanently devalue all of the NFT lands so we can try to get some cash in the door once the arena goes live with a battle pass and drone runs. So lets issue the first "state of emergency IIP" and pass it without any DAO review outside of the paid council.

[tardy falcon]

Yep... I get that. Will have to see if it works.

[tardy falcon]

This isn't a DAO 🤪

And these 'emergency proposals' have affected land the most. Even back with the 75% nerf... there were other ways to adjust but cutting fuel production was the easiest. And there was no communication beforehand... just a couple murmers in subchannels and then poof.

If there were some care and effort put into land I wouldn't be such a debbie downer. Beyond has energy and momentum... rewards for playing... custom cards... community engagement. Zero could have all those things if there were someone actually developing it and HAVING FUN WITH IT.

[rose thicket]

Zero's development died with @amber atlas .This is all so pathetic and I state that using the most gracious word that came to my mind.

[tardy falcon]

I think the current Megacity implementation came after Johnny so there are developers working on Zero. But there's a difference between a dev executing an already existing set of directions vs a dev that's actively creating and inspired to move things forward.

Maybe rename Zero to Ghost Town

[rose thicket]

The MC implementation still does not function. I could not even access my plots for the last 72 hours and support admitted in writing it never has worked properly and they do not know why.

[twin sequoia]

This is may main concern. On the safe side, at this rate, we would need 13 months for 1M revenue (and from all sources, not only fuel I guess). So, by some "real" hand made previsions, I would need 6 years to recover the cost of my T2 and T3 and 11 years for the T1. I used 10% of playing plots, so with a little improvement in revenue, 2 years is not so far away. And I enjoyed the plots. so not so bad

[tardy falcon]

Yah I hear that... I'm not saying it's devved well... just that it has some dev

[rose thicket]

Outside of Beyond have we generated $10,000 since mid-Oct? Landholders are on the instant zero coupon loan related to all the Beyond sales, while RevDis goes out to ILV holders inside the period earned. And nobody on the IMC/ICC can explain why other than the team keeps telling them "its coming" WTF is taking so long?

I guess we should be super confident that Labs is going to properly administer all "fuel burn" receipts and reconciliations per period with great urgency and accuracy, given non-fungible units of fuel in the millions in variable quantities and randomly burned throughout the period. The basic ledger, bookkeeping, and reconciliation will be an absolute nightmare to administer. You are going to need to hire two full time bookkeepers just for about 1,000 ILZ player base to do a monthly reconciliation. However, none of that is addressed in IIP-EP-1, and I bet ZERO diligence has been done on how any of that is going to be implemented. <@&814435151307866142> <@&1107754780744487002>

Labs cannot even produce a basic financial statement. We have some made-up bush league formatted "burn report" that gets released at random dates over the last 18 months.

[tardy falcon]

Tbf the equation to determine percentage for fuel burn per plot isn't that complicated. I imagine the amount of fuel u burn is attached to your plot. Then they simply take 5% of revenue/week or month and divide it between the different plots based on the ratios. Seems pretty simple. Much more simple than creating a FEX that you send fuel to and where players buy or sell.

[rose thicket]

They never built a DEX. We used IMX's NFT store that was built years ago. Its like deciding to run an interoperable economy on a shopify store...actually its much worse and limited in functionality than that.

Labs deceitfully put the label "IlluviDEX" when nothing of the sort was ever performed.

[twin sequoia]

That is only and algorithm with some formulas. Once determined, I gues it is already, it is just a few seconds on a server

[tardy falcon]

I mean the fuel exchange orderbook system... you know that took a shit ton of dev time

[rose thicket]

Get that algo over to them so they can get us all paid for the Beyond backlog,

[twin sequoia]

It tooks a lot to implement in production, but the code should not be that complicated

[rose thicket]

The entire framework was built by IMX prior to ILV existence. I have confirmed all of this and its why some fool came up with the 19:1 fuel supply "patch" so they could easily transact on the IMX rails.

[twin sequoia]

19:1 was not a patch, it was implemented since start I think

[rose thicket]

Lets get back together 60 days after they launch shit...I bet we will all learn a thing or two about this matter by then. I predict it is an absolute shit show...nothing gets done.

[rose thicket]

No, it was an IIP by the Rainbow-haired influencer dude when he was on the council. He admitted it was to keep from any serious dev being done and just the easiest path.

[tardy falcon]

oh you're talking about the fuel bonus system?

[rose thicket]

Yes.

[tardy falcon]

Ah yah... well that was def a bad choice.

I still think it was pretty impressive to build an entire FEX orderbook system that you could send fuel from plots to and people could buy from. Amazing actually. I wish a fraction of that dev time could be put into the game aspect of Zero.

Anyhow... enough of my useless whining for the night. Time to go make music.

[whole spear]

I just bought a mega city

[tardy falcon]

t3? t4?

[whole spear]

😦

no

[rose thicket]

Rich, how we going to reconcile tens of thousands of fuel transactions every month and get all of us paid with the new system?

[tardy falcon]

t2?

[whole spear]

t2 t1 x3

[tardy falcon]

Good space for science if u want

Already developed?

[whole spear]

If you want to have additional discussions on this we can have another town hall on all this. We had to have one immediately though to answer as much as possible and I think having another one with the OW game designers in now maybe they have some insight into how zero can play its own role. I want zero to be great too man. I have 6 plots now and gave away like 6 others before to get people into the game. There was a lot to communicate with this one patch in a 24 hour winow.

[whole spear]

Yeah somewhat

needs more

gonna have to actually play since @glad relic rugg me

[rose thicket]

i appreciate you doing it

[whole spear]

Capa was supposed to be playing my land but he playing his own

[tardy falcon]

If the new game designers can have a hand in Zero that would be great... for real

[whole spear]

I mean imo they should figure a way to make Zero connected and great, while not being tied down to any one requirement from current zero at least that feels like the point of this to me

Perry basically echoed the same but not sure if people picked it up

Did torrex rug me? Are my plots any good haha?

[tardy falcon]

Yep... I get that detaching land from economy frees up Zero to be whatever it can be.

But that fact is different than someone breathing life into what that could be.

[rose thicket]

Torrex got me pre mainnet launch…he is the plot mogul

[tardy falcon]

When they are developed it'll be chill... I'd prob focus on science with them. Get all the BPs... but not gonna make tons of fuel with it

[whole spear]

i just want clash of clans style zero guys hahah

cmon

[tardy falcon]

do it

Making Zero fun would be amazing

[whole spear]

MZFA

[sacred mural]

How did you get it? Did you buy the 4 plots of land together or did you buy them one by one?

[whole spear]

@hearty cradle's next marketing ploy for council MZFA

[whole spear]

He offered it to me

and i sent him money

[rose thicket]

at least you got space for your converters and power-stations SPAMing because that is what zero has been reduced to

[whole spear]

dont do this with random people

obviously i wasnt gonna scam him

he couldve me i guess

but he wouldnt have

[tardy falcon]

he cool

[whole spear]

we do need a megacity sales thing though

has been an issue for a long time

i remember jeff wanting to sell his

[tardy falcon]

thankfully i never got skammed with buying or selling land or illuvitars... can mostly tell if someone is legit or not

but yah trust

would be noice to be able to bundle lands

[whole spear]

yeah i mean everyone i ever dealt with i knew bascially

quite a few in the community

[tardy falcon]

I wonder now... since Zero is being detached from economy... will it be possible to optimize gameplay? super laggy when plots are maxed

[whole spear]

buying d1sks off the seatin market

[tardy falcon]

Anyhow... gotta go. Congrats on MC and hope to see some life for Zero

[twin sequoia]

approximately how much?

[twin sequoia]

too much work for that haha! they could start with an editor

[twin sequoia]

I can develop them ... for a rent 🙂

[rose thicket]

we got some selling to do boyz!

Monthly revenues at $6.7k with $3.1k on the in-game would cost more in bookkeeping fees to administer uniform fuel proposal than the DAO gross in February if this is accurate! @hearty cradle

[spring void]

What's the path forward for revenue? No VC is gonna give more funding to this team if they can't show a plan to achieve 100k+ revenue/month

[iron laurel]

Prettiest region. Congrats.

[rose thicket]

I think the only hope is wagering on arena (like gambling fight for fuel) and hitting a home run in esports that creates a new genre in the western world given that we are not even relevant in asia due to language and no mobile development for the auto battler (baffled at why not)…none of this will happen!

[hearty cradle]

i asked about this to danny in november 2024, he said team need to work on the smart contract or something.
and he mentioned @bitter glade was working on it

[hearty cradle]

it's not a ploy if u can deliver

[pseudo elm]

i just want a way to make a few bucks a day passively playing a video game. that's all. illuvium has all the pieces. they just need to figure out the economy and how to make the game feasable. hell, people pay real money to play candy crush.

[tardy falcon]

Well we are back to the cat chasing it's tail with that desire

The only way we can make a few bucks passive is if there are active players purchasing fuel and engaging in the ecosystem... in order to get that the games need to be good and ready and fun to play... that's the goal now, make games good and fun and easy onboarding. Won't happen overnight...

[pseudo elm]

right. the overworld is beautiful. people just need a reason to play it. arena has potential for people to play a battler, especially with the play to earn and gambling angles. hopefully the team keeps grinding and finds a way.

[hearty cradle]

to earn something, you need other people to spend

[tardy falcon]

We shall see...
Not an esy task. I mean... with the new fuel economy system Illuvium is essentially shifting to web 2.5.
Purchasing fuel to use in the ecosystem is the same maodel as many web2 games. Arena doesn't require nfts. So now... there isn't much of a reason to acquire nfts. Actually, if they took away all nfts now they could still make the game as they are and have it be all in game assets... except for Beyond.
They need to give nfts more utility otherwise there's no reason to have them... connundrum

[lyric lodge]

how can I have two of these ? ****

I thoght it only looks for ones you dont have ?

[glad relic]

Give it to him

I resign

Never paid me, my bastard sons need food

[lyric lodge]

ahhh so there are different drones ones but no difeernt armour ones ?

thanks

[copper inlet]

but if I recall correctly this may change in the future

[radiant sky]

you have 4 different drone Blueprints each biodata and you have 18 different armor Blueprints each biodata.
Making it 22 different blueprints in total you can find each biodata.

[glad relic]

So with the new fuel and suites, for what is the blueprints if not a nft?

[lyric lodge]

To creat skins

[glad relic]

But cant sell it?

[twin sequoia]

AFAIK, it doesn´t change, at least yet. The BP you have in IZ is not an NFT. You have the ZeroPoint Trunsduce in Zero to mint the BP and create the BP NFT, that will appear a few minutes after minting finishes in the wallet where the plot is.

With the BP NFT you can create the skin in OW, or sell it in Illuvidex

This burn the BP NFT, but you can mint as many BP NFT out of each BP as your resources (element and fuel) in Illuvium allows.

[rose thicket]

@vagrant rock can you supply a status update on this half of a year project to reconcile Beyond sales with Landholders. This is actually over due by 1,007 days since the Landsale? Zero confidence in how EP-1 will be executed as a result. @minor pagoda

[lyric lodge]

ofc you can sell it, they already ones listed

[austere flax]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[iron laurel]

Awww...I like this one. I can picture a proud Adorius walking along leaving pretty little hoof prints.

[sacred mural]

Good that you uploaded this picture, I always wondered what the facts are for, could you tell me?

[radiant sky]

They increase the successrate of finding a blueprint when researching the Same illuvial biodata

[sacred mural]

Thanks

[rancid turret]

Has anyone else had this bug where all of your credits just disappeared

[pseudo ocean]

Hello everyone, a consultation to sell my fuel do I have to wait or is it sold automatically?

Is something selling?

[vague tide]

i can not send my fuel? Bug??

[iron laurel]

Fuel can not be sent to OW any longer. New system in place which will basically be us burning our fuel and getting 5% of revenue distribution proportionally with other playing landowners.

See the announcements:
#📣〕announcements message

[lyric lodge]

do you know how we can see what BP are currently minting ?

[lyric lodge]

thanks , do you know how we can see what BP are currently minting ?

[radiant sky]

you can not see that

should be in the activity tab like with matlabs, but that feature is (currently) not implemented.
Make sure to leave an ingame feedback. 🙂

[lyric lodge]

So you could mint someone twice by accident

[radiant sky]

yes, for sure

[iron laurel]

Do it all the time in my ZPTs. I tell myself to write a list but I only did that for 2 days.😂

[lyric lodge]

Zpts ?

[iron laurel]

Zero point transducers. To make skins BPs. They take days and I forget what I put in or which I put where and when. I make future me surprises.🤣

[solid cove]

And how do I get the amount of resources that are 150 and 180 on the screenshots? That when I said that the image for my mine, Solon gave me 100, not 150, and for Crypton 130, because there is a reference point, not 180. Or how do the numbers (*1.8) (*4) work in the information about the mine?

[solid cove]

@radiant sky

[twin sequoia]

The base for a fuel extractor is 25. You have a x4 multiplier because it is a T4, and a x1.8 because efficiency from power plants is max (150%) and the fuel landmark of your T4 is for crypton, so another +30% for crypton but not solon

[radiant sky]

hmm you should get the amounts outlined in that info screen.
Calculation as Sergioytc already explain right above my post.

If you don't get the numbers outlined in that info screen i would really appreciate it if you would submit an ingame bug report.

To be honest, i haven't checked it for a while, but i will as soon as i can harvest my extractors

[solid cove]

thank you very much for your reply, I will send a bug report

[solid cove]

I understand the logic of strengthening landmark, my question was why I should have received 180 and 150, but received 130 and 100

[lyric lodge]

So the BP are also on a bonding curve ? Do they become harder to find as more are found ?

[solid cove]

everyone has a bug in this plot information window displaying that it is t3? green color as if t4, but the indicator on top is 3 sticks, as if t3 plot?

[lyric lodge]

Man there are so many bugs in ilv no one can keep up

[iron laurel]

Honestly have no clue any more. I know nothing any more about anything. Spoon may know this.

[solid cove]

that's clear)) well, is it like on the screenshot for everyone or not?

[minor pagoda]

been a while but I think so, but it's only the "balancing" part of the bonding curve, not the "rarity increase" part, unfortunately 😦

Wish I started meddling with Zero sooner

[lyric lodge]

You mean collecting BP ?

Been building for like over a year got quite a lot of BP...collecting every dayv

[radiant sky]

there should be.
And in my personal experience, yes.

Finding all chukoondi (T1) took the same amount of time as finding all Rhamphyre+ophisto+Titanor blueprints.
I don't know how much facts increase the successrate tho and chukoondis are bugged, you can't find them. (at least i couldn't)

[cold owl]

Don't facts increase success rate just by taking away a possibility of finding a fact?

[radiant sky]

can't check it since my t4 is in the megacity and never really paid attention to it to be honest 😅

[cold owl]

If you've discovered all 5 facts, then a successful research attempt can't be a fact

[radiant sky]

no, they do increase the successrate.
it's just not visible ingame

[cold owl]

gotcha, good to know

[radiant sky]

finding a fact is as far as i understood, very very long time ago, not a successful research 🙂
You either have:

• Success
• A fact
• A fail

[iron laurel]

It was a good Tiktaalik day today!

[bold field]

Hello everyone, is there an updated article on how Zero works with the latest updates and a description of all the construction functions?

When I was building there was a fuel exchanger, now I don't see it in the list of buildings

[radiant sky]

Hmm with "fuel exchanger" you maybe looking for the converters?
Those who can swap one fuel into another?

latest updates you find in the latest blog:
#📣〕announcements message

but in general it's still pretty much the same as it was since launch. Only big new things are the megacities that got introduced and that science cost are now tier based.

[sleek rose]

So is the fuel exchange closed until the unified fuel system is rolled out or?...
Also, what will happen to the existing converters and extractors then? Will they all be transformed into general extractors and passive generators?

[bold field]

Was there an opportunity to exchange fuel with players like an exchange where you put what you want to exchange, for example, solon for сrypton?

[radiant sky]

zero ingame the 3 fuels will remain.
Yes, fex is closed until ne system is live

[radiant sky]

you mean an ingame exchange in zero like the marketplace in alpha version?

there's no structure currently with such a feature

[sleek rose]

Right, but do you then trade the 3 fuels into general fuel? Like, what do you sell and how.

[radiant sky]

You will have to Burn them to get a share of the revenue.
You also won't be able anymore to send them to OW ranger

[sleek rose]

Ok, thanks do you burn from within the game then?

[radiant sky]

Hasn't been leaked yet, but i guess the "send to OW" Button you had will be turned into a "Burn fuel" Button and thats basically being the Change to zero

[sleek rose]

That makes sense

I guess the only thing to do now then is to farm fuel

[radiant sky]

Yea, and do some science Stuff if you are interested in it.
Fuel storages got increased to Make it easier for Landholders to stack up fuel while there is no burning Feature available

[rose thicket]

note: increased after raising hell for 4 months and post the 89:1 destruction of fuel. scroll up or search my thread if you need verification.

landholders (the few engaged on discord), you need to jump in and let your voices be heard on @radiant sky's thread. the team ignores me because they have no rebuttle to their 'emergency confiscation of fuel' IIP. https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1346770169871073311

[radiant sky]

That thread is actually more about the fuel conversion specifically and affects everyone in the ecosystem, not just but also land holders 🙂

I opened another thread specifically for Illuvium: Zero, to get some answers not only but also about the vision labs/IMC have for Zero and try to make everyone understand how a Landholder being arround since landsale feels like and the growing uncertainty + devalue of Land itself:
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1347194091418419352

[leaden egret]

🔥

[sage bough]

My T1 plot update. Have just been scanning for illuvials for weeks now and not much else. Level 4 scanners and working to upgrade to level 5, just a big fuel jump and the T1 generates a very low amount.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, there should be 4 at the top, not 3. The color is right, as there are 12 element sites and 9 fuel sites, it is a T4.

[twin sequoia]

Try to move a power plant next to the fuel sites away, and move it again next to the site. This sometimes fix bugs with efficiency

[solid cove]

yes it helped

[solid cove]

can you send me your screenshot of where the tier 4 stripes in the information are shown on the t4 plot?

[twin sequoia]

I don´t have a T4 to show it ingame

On a T3 it is like this

[solid cove]

that's how it shows up on the website in my inventory, but in the game itself I dropped it higher as if it were tier3

[twin sequoia]

Why would someone do this? And it is not part of a MC

There were more movements between "IlliumLands" account and that 55a9, that now have ¡56! lands and is dropping T1 as hell

You were fast removing the link, I coudn´t even click it! xD (it wasn´t mine, it was an scammer 🙂 )

[pure fable]

what is he doing?

[leaden egret]

Boom !! 🔥🔥🔥😍

[unkempt kettle]

Hi guys, I have material labs V but all biodata shows red if I want to reaserch that biodata. Is this a bug?

No blueprint or fact researched for weeks now

[bleak stratus]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vivid cipher]

I’d guess bug. I’m not super aware of everything but I haven’t heard of this bug.

Is it possible you’ve discovered EVERYTHING?

Bug report button in the game

[unkempt kettle]

No maybe I discovered all biodata but surely not the blueprints 😆

[twin sequoia]

Without an screenshot, it is more difficult to say what could be

Did you look if the labs have enough power?

[vivid cipher]

Hmm maybe that huh

[unkempt kettle]

Seems that I have enough power…I opened a ticket in-game, let‘s see…

[copper inlet]

hey can you send me a pic from the game when you see all the buildings 👀 (I will NOT dm you, if id do its a scam)

based on what I see, all your Material labs are working currently (researching something and they having power )

[lyric lodge]

I minted my first skin today but i cannot see it in my wallet, where can we see the skins we minted ? thanks

[copper inlet]

I assume you have your land on secondary wallet? just switch in your Profile this option:

[lyric lodge]

no on the imx wallet

[copper inlet]

kk, send me your wallet will check

(as skin, I assume you mean BPs)

[lyric lodge]

ok i will DM you, pretty sure its on imx wallet

[lyric lodge]

no bp creates the skin right

i can see this

[copper inlet]

skins you create in OW

[lyric lodge]

so whats ths building for ?

[copper inlet]

yup so thats BP that you can mint in Zero, now if you want a skin, you go to OW (when its back online) you burn 3 Illuvials and this BP, and this way you create a skin

[lyric lodge]

is it offline ? so you need 3 ilvulas of the same skin aswell ?

[copper inlet]

correct

[lyric lodge]

is it offline for maintiance ?

[lyric lodge]

wow that could get pretty expensive

[copper inlet]

its offline due to preparations to implement Unified Fuel

[lyric lodge]

oh awesome so testing is done ? When will this happen, did not see an annoncment

[copper inlet]

#📣〕announcements message - all here

https://illuvium.io/news/unified-fuel-automated-drone-run-overworld-tweaks-and-more

When team pushes new version to mainnet (the one we play on testnet) we back online with all products

(but dont know exact date)

[lyric lodge]

so at lest 40 dollars to create a rhampye skin at the current price and this will just go up as they become more rare?

thanks

[twin sequoia]

It depens on what people is willing to pay. It won´t became rare if not enough people wnat to pay for it. As now BP are permanent, people that discovered the BP can mint all they want.

And we still don´t know what changes (if any) will be done to the skin system.

[timber sapphire]

They still need illuvials to create them so it's not endless

[lyric lodge]

It's a bit expensive but I guessed that makes it rare

[timber sapphire]

Once we get an actuall player base there will be more available and prices will drop

[iron laurel]

I have a Rhamphyre suit skin ready to be forged and now this is in a ZPT.
I miss making skins in OW.

[sleek rose]

A friend of mine is having issues with blueprints not showing up on account after minting. What could that be about?

[iron laurel]

Does he have his land on a hardware wallet? If so they will show up there and your friend will need to then transfer from there into the passport wallet.

[sleek rose]

I'll ask, but I don't think so

[iron laurel]

Or even if not a hardware wallet a different MM wallet than the primary Passport wallet?

That is usually the issue, just a different wallet and it is an easy fix so see if that is the issue. 🙂

[vivid cipher]

Imagine Hilde with wings

[wide bobcat]

Hi, maybe this question is already asked and answered, but can we delete the Nexus from other landplots in a megacity & keep only 1? (how to decide which one to keep)

[vivid cipher]

Yes you can. But currently the building maximum that your nexus on the plot had will remain the building maximum. So typically removing nexus is a late game strategy. After getting your nexusesn/nexi to their max level.

[iron laurel]

Ooh now there is a good idea.

[cerulean kettle]

I’ve been working a T2 plot. Can we only upgrade a Zero Point Transducer to level 3? I want to upgrade them to level 4 and 5, to mint BP NFTs.

I say this since once I’ve upgraded to level 3, the upgrade options is not available.

[radiant sky]

ZPT lvl 3 is Max Level. (For all Tiers)

[wide bobcat]

Hi Jesse, I have maxed out the nexus on all 4 plots, so was thinking of making more room by removing 3 of the 4 nexuses. so I was thinking of keeping one nexus on the lowest tier plot in my megacity and removing others. what say?

[vivid cipher]

Should work. Check the notes https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-2-7

[cerulean kettle]

OK, so I’ll be able to mint Tier 5 and 4 BioData BPs, correct?

This is certainly one of the best looking ones, reminds me of Pokemon-Umbreon.

[twin sequoia]

Yes, you can mint any lvl in a ZPT. The lvl of the ZPT is only for the minting time: 14d on lvl1, 10d on lvl2 and 7d on lvl3.

[unkempt kettle]

Not sure what happened but they are not underlined in red anymore…let me research for a few days if still no fact or blueprint I will come back to you

[copper inlet]

kk, will close your ticket for now, but ping me anytime

[unkempt kettle]

Thanks for your help so far; keep you updated!

[wide bobcat]

thanks, checked the notes but didnt find anything that answers my question :/

[grand silo]

@vivid cipher any up date on when this next patch is coming through fixing the mega city issue please?

[grand silo]

that would be nice

[copper inlet]

after the update we will be sending out emails to affected users right away to confirm, but feel free to ping me after the update if any issues arrive

[grand silo]

appreciate it

[slate merlin]

@minor pagoda Now that landowners have ample fuel storage, can you please explain why any fuel at all is being pulled from our land BEFORE the conversion to the new Fuel? In the Townhall you said that all but 1,000 of each type would be taken out, but that means our fuel(s) would be devalued by the conversion rate into Fuel. If the conversion rate was to mitigate the bonuses players have been receiving when buying fuel(s) from the Illuvidex since launch, why would that conversion rate also devalue the fuel(s) we are currently producing now, every day, on our land?

We have storage now, once the games are updated and all the systems are changed over to Fuel, the new sale process from IZ to the Illuvidex will be in place, and then we can sell our IZ fuel(s) normally 1:1 in the new system, correct?

[minor pagoda]

No, you would burn your fuel to get a stake in that period's land holder revdis

Given the revenue we're making now we're assuming land holders want unified fuel and not a stake of said revenue

[slate merlin]

Not sure I understand the difference between burning our fuel(s) and selling our fuel(s), but either way, I don't see how that answers my main question. Am I correct that the converstion rate would be applied to the fuel(s) being taken out of our plots before the games and systems are changed over to the new Fuel?

[minor pagoda]

Yes

First all gets sent to your "OW account" (outside the plot) up to the threshold discussed, then converted

Because after your fuel can no longer be sold

[rose thicket]

Can you share the tactical plan for how EP-1 is actually going to work? Namely, how is Labs going to reconcile and pay out in ETH on a monthly basis proportional to the revenue collected by customers?

[whole spear]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-george-takei-wink-ohoo-gif-15032207

[minor pagoda]

wdym how

[rose thicket]

Yes, how is Labs you going to account for all of the off-chain fuel units being burned in a period. Then, proportionally weigh that against realized income in the same period. Then disburse ETH to individual accounts? Then make sure the interface is clear enough so that Landholders have confidence all was properly reconciled? This will require aggregating reporting for revenue across all lines and transparency in financial reporting that has not been done to date. I would think through these items before just making a migration.

[hoary gazelle]

First Land finally lvl 201 .... (4.5 Month 1-201)
6 more to go 🙂

36 Fuel gen ftw ! 😄

[rose thicket]

EP-1 will be a reputational disaster if you do not nail the implementation of the second and third-order effects. If Labs continues the precedent of withholding RevDis from Landholders, as they have done with ICCP-17 + IIP-54 (complete delinquency on paying those who invested in the project), then the Trolls and their hounds are going to come out. The confidence will collapse, and the capital will flee. Any planned excuses for non-performance on payments after 30 days from converting to the unified fuel will be insufficient. This is setting up to be a disaster and simply trying to be 'the canary in the coal mine' for the council. <@&1107754780744487002> <@&814435151307866142>

[hearty cradle]

[tardy falcon]

Guessing revenue will be low for many months… so I’m not super concerned about that. I’m more concerned that zero dev has no motivation or energy behind it.

The logic is, focus on the other games first. But without vision for zero it gets left behind and further removed from the ecosystem. A forgotten relic of old times.

[rose thicket]

I say, pick up that torch and carry it. And find you some comrades to demand change.

[tardy falcon]

Pitchforking never really worked for zero. But a reasonable proposal would be worthwhile to explore.

Also… I’m guessing most of the current council will be voted out. If we can get a zero friendly council in for next epoch and push a thoughtful proposal then maybe there’s a path ahead for zero.

[radiant sky]

What makes you think that?

[tardy falcon]

After this epoch I bet a couple don’t even run again. Couple others might get voted out. Who knows though.

I’ll be voting with the beyond Ilv rewards tho. Gonna stake just to vote.

If anyone else is running and is pro land then chime up… you’ll prob get my vote

[tardy falcon]

Maybe we can get a FEW pro Zero/Land members on council that will advocate for Zero. Making sure that it doesn't get left behind as Illuvium Game Dev continues.

Some things that could be considered:

• A dedicated goto team person for all things Zero (Rogier of Zero) Perhaps this could be one or both of the new game designers. But ensuring Zero is included in the holistic ecosystem design.
• Regular Zero direction updates, art updates, idea updates
• Timeline for BPs/Skin rework
• Timeline and progress updates for gyms
• Create some kind of trackable leaderboard for zero for Fuel farming by tier - or create something new for zero that can become leaderboarded - so players can be more engaged in Land and have something to be jazzed about.
• Start thinking about Zero as a game rather than just a revenue generator

[whole spear]

I like the leaderboard idea

And I can be some of these things

Albeit I’m not the most avid zero player. But I do have mega city now

And other plots

[tardy falcon]

Nice... hopefully that can translate into some positive energy for Zero

Another idea... a simple drone wars mini-game within zero. Players can choose from list of current players online and attack their plot (other player accepts). And then you each try to shoot all of each others drones down. Last drone standing wins... DRONE WARS

[lyric hamlet]

Is the game dead?

They haven't posted the burn report for January. Sketchy

[tardy falcon]

No. But things are in a transition period as Unified Fuel becomes implemented and updated OW & Auto Drone Runs. I hear things may move to main net in a week or two.

Arena should be getting ready for Leaderboards soon as well. And we know that leaderboard rewards bring players... So I'd expect an influx of new life once that resumes.

You want burn report ping rich... but since they cut back workforce there's prob less bandwith for stuff like that... maybe he can poke someone for you though

[sharp jolt]

Honestly surprised no one else has asked for it

[vivid cipher]

There’s never really been a time when there’s been monthly burn reports. I believe Quarterly is typically what’s been done. With a few times of more often reports.

[whole spear]

Burn reports are quarterly

[tardy falcon]

Cool... he wanted to know @lyric hamlet

[iron laurel]

I really want to know about BP/Skin Rework.
Just got this tonight and threw it into a ZPT but I am not as excited as I used to be over making these when I don't know what's going to happen with them all.

[tardy falcon]

Lots of uncertainty
That's what I am wanting for Zero... some more communication about what's happening and what's going to happen.

[shut wave]

Can anyo e still sell fuel? When is that comi g back online?

[unborn osprey]

How many BioData is there?
Is there an easy way to find out what am I missing?
Why not?
Why can't I order it somehow? Anything?

[fossil galleon]

I’m also more cautious, so just been doing some drone blueprints (also up in the air). Clearly not a good situation for players.

[lyric lodge]

quite a few bangers in here !

[lyric lodge]

well its not going away so i think still good to hold

[lyric lodge]

they still refining it

[rose thicket]

Great question and dedicutive reason. I wonder how many others left the community based on this deficiency and defaulted on payments to players? Capital (time and money) flow to confidence...common sense. <@&814435151307866142>

[rose thicket]

@whole spear could you pass along to Labs that the burn report is a worthless exercise without being accompanied with aa profit loss (income/expenses report), balance sheet, and statment of cashflows. The IMC/ICC of the DAO should has receive a compulation of how financials were reconciled and an annual audit. Nonprofits with $100,000 in annual revenue performing this basic elementary accounting practices. Anybody with TradFi money understands this and does not want to hear "its on-chain" that is an absurd and rediculous reply that is worse than sketchy. This issue is a big lid on the future potential of Illuvium...free VC funds are highly unlikely in the segment of crypto that has produced some of the worst performers (gamefi). <@&814435151307866142>

[glacial garnet]

I like the leaderboard idea too

For the communication side, im currently writting a proposal that is adressing this. Ill share with you in dm's if you want to chime in

[lyric lodge]

no mae its not dead at al

all

[lyric lodge]

i tihnk they post one ever month

[radiant sky]

leaderboards are always a cool idea to keep your community engaged but needs another new feature for that i feel.

• Fuel production/science is very static there would be some optimizing maybe the first couple weeks and after that leaderboard is almost set to be the same all the time.
• Megacities also don't play well into a LB i feel, sure could do it's own leaderboard but then you implement another system where mc again have no advantage

[glacial garnet]

Thats a good point @radiant sky

I feel like it would still be fun to see your fuel produced per week or month compared to the rest. Then you would see whats possible and strive for better production. Even when maximally optimized the numbers would still vary has no one claim the fuel perfectly on time all the time

If going with fuel, we could have the lb by land tier. Unfortunately, like you say, MC cant really fit there

We could also have one for skin produced maybe

[radiant sky]

would definetly be nice to see that, there's still a ton of information missing in the game itself.
But making a leaderboard out of it, basically making a competition out of it doesn't seem reasonable to me.

[glacial garnet]

Ultimately what would be best is to have some sort of guild wars, raids, etc and there we could have real competition and leaderboard but that type of development wont happen in the near future

[radiant sky]

yes 🙂

rather than talks about leaderboard, i would more like to see talks about fixed number of runs each tier can get each week.
It was never promised, sure... but i feel it would be good to talk about it now with the upcoming changes of EP-1.
Could also talk about airdropping land to existing users.

i don't think giving away an emote each week to the top fuel producer will solve an concerns surrounding zero

and as you say... any meaningful feature needs dev time which is unlikely to see happening befor mmo lite is live and running

[glacial garnet]

Something could definitely be explored concerning the OW/ADR runs

Its something that a lot of people enjoyed and that is important for those who enjoy the full ecosystem loop

Even if we dont sell/transfer fuel in the new system, do we know if its really impossible to still have our fuel equivalent changed to unified fuel in our passport?

If we cant and simply explore giving runs to landowners id prefer to see runs dependant on fuel burned rather than just giving away depending on tier. I believe people who work their land and optimize it should get more than the ones simply holding the lands, just like it used to be

As for airdropping lands i dont think this is a good idea now. A system that benefit landowners by diluting their own supply kind of lose its purpose and with everything that happened with lands i dont think the community is ready to see new supply come out

[iron laurel]

I agree with all you said Dr Spoon except airdropping land. I am with Patate on that one.

[iron laurel]

Yes, I know they are trying to figure things out too but I am a planner so this not knowing is difficult.

[iron laurel]

Yeah, I am still playing, making stuff and continuing but the excitement is dulled for me with everything up in the air right now.

[lyric lodge]

tbh this is the best place thye can be in, worse would havew been to leave the game as it is, the best part of ilv is the IP and art, its top class, we just need a grea game now

only fear is

i think mmo will take like 2 years to build

imo

[iron laurel]

I don't disagree, I know changes had to be made. I have no idea how long an mmo will take. I think a lot of it is done but also, it can't be rushed too much because it has to be a really good game right from the start.

That all said, from a totally selfish point of view, I would like some clarification on where we stand with our skins. It's all Zero has going for it now.

[lyric lodge]

yeah this really is there last hope, if mmo tanks, project is done

[lyric lodge]

they probabley still trying to work it all out imo

[iron laurel]

I'm sure they are. There's a lot involved with the whole suits issue. If they are no included in the game what to do with all the ones purchased before? If they cut down on the number of suits and weapons what to do with all of the blueprints from Zero already out there? It's a lot of work. I don't envy them trying to improve this now.

[glacial garnet]

I wouldnt think of last hopes yet as we didnt even try our first hope with arena

[rose thicket]

My crazy idea for the week is for Labs to focus on delivering what they sold regarding Zero. After 33 months of history, it seems like a big enough challenge for them with a $1M/mo spend, and now they are down to ~$500K. Maybe the spend $1K a month on Zero...who knows, as there is zero transparency with their DAO on anything material.

[radiant sky]

The argument i read from councils so far is that there is no revenue if everyone just transfers fuel from their land to use in the ecosystem
As it looks to me everything gets set up to survive with the current followers + some fresh whale blood and since many claim to own land and most land is cheap to buy for the new couple whales that argument is valid if there are not masses (20k+) getting onboarded into the paid systems with arena relaunch.

How it gets set up for sure needs to get detailed out. Completely agree that it should be proportional.
With the current set up cost of runs there needs to be way more than just sustainable revenue inflow that a landowner can do a meaningful amount of runs.
Most probably not realizing that for now, but i guess that topic will get heated after everything is patched what is announced now.

Ya, i'm not talking about just airdrop everyone lands.
As the x amount of runs thing this needs to be fleshed out in details, but should mostly lower the concern that landholders get diluted in future.
Many parameters you can implement for airdropping over time to increase land prices and also decrease the dilution over time concern.

Also i'm just throwing out ideas here to adress current concerns and some that have been arround since landsale.
There's probably a dozens avenues you can go with minor development workload, but i just don't see leaderboards being one of them in the current build we have.

[tardy falcon]

Sure hmu… down to chat

[twin sequoia]

I also don´t like the idea of leaderboards for zero in its current state. There is a point with how much fuel a Tier can produce, but it is not much for devs to spend time on it. About Biodata and BP, as they are limited to 5 scanners/labs and they are a matter of luck, I don´t see it being important for leaderboards

[tardy falcon]

Yahh it’s a stretch to make a leaderboard for the current state of zero. Leaderboard idea is more to generates engagement with zero community… so creating something that could be leaderboarded would be cool… not sure what that could be yet without huge dev time. But creating positive zero sentiment would be a very good thing.

[glacial garnet]

The argument i read from councils so far is that there is no revenue if everyone just transfers fuel from their land to use in the ecosystem

Yes makes sense. Perhaps we can explore a way to give some runs proportionate to what you burn but that isnt equivalent to if you were to transfer everything. We might still be able have a meaningful amount of runs without affecting revenue too much

I need some numbers to further explore this. Ill bring it up to our council meeting tomorrow

[radiant sky]

i can give you some averaged out numbers calculated for a sustainable revenue needed before the lay-offs.

[glacial garnet]

Awesome, ill take a look tonight when i get on pc

[radiant sky]

just keep in mind, those numbers can vary quite significantly.
It's just average out theoretical numbers.
In reality t1 would get a slightly higher share, t4 a slightly lower share and t3 a quite significant lower share.
Also the Share of DAO will likely decrease when there's more confidence to stake some tokens for retail.
etc.

[timber sapphire]

This is each month?

[radiant sky]

Yes

[timber sapphire]

Man I'm never getting my money back for my land

[radiant sky]

You can obviously exchange the month with days or years or seconds... Whatever you Like 🙂
But monthly Made the most Sense, since i wanted to calculate for 1.2m DAO rev because of the sustainability before the Lay offs

[radiant sky]

Never say never 😄
I think i'm arround 31y with my Land collection... Long time but achievable 🙃

[timber sapphire]

So this is my pension, got it😂

[radiant sky]

But to be fair, revenue can increase to more than 2m/month AT some point in future. Which would increase Zero share and decrease the decades it takes for 100%roi

[timber sapphire]

Yeah but that's gonna take some time. Excited for next big update tho

[sharp jolt]

They can stay building forever, leaking stuff here and there, and most of the people here will stay.

[cerulean kettle]

The top priority that will fix all of our concerns is the obvious one, which the team is working on. Grow player counts and keep them.

[cerulean kettle]

This will explain how many there are and the different ones: https://illuvium.io/news/expanded-airdrop-points-in-the-open-beta-testnet

[radiant sky]

• 130 Biodata in total
• Not really
• IDK, that's a question a team member has to answer
• What do you want to order?

[unborn osprey]

I want to order BioData so I can see what I’m missing.

[radiant sky]

aah i c
haha, thought you want to order something 😄
but yea, that's sadly not possible to do

[iron laurel]

I filtered by Stage so that I could at least have less to look at but yeah, I wish there was an easier way to do it. It is worth checking though because some of us have gotten multiples so you can't even think "I have 130 so I am done".

[lyric lodge]

They can't ....but they can't afford the mmo to fail either

[worthy rover]

Hey guys, where do I report a bug? My crypton converters are supposed to giving me 65 every 6 days and they’re giving me either 45 or 54. Thanks

[thin wolf]

You can use B ingame or use #❓❓〕support and send in a ticket

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[tall crypt]

How foolish to give away land to users who will end up selling it on the marketplace and further depressing its price.

[radiant sky]

Click on your pic on the very top left and then "Report issue"

[sacred mural]

Did you check the efficiency?

[worthy rover]

Gotcha thank you

[worthy rover]

Yeah I’m at 180% and supposed to get 65 but only got 54 when I collected and it was maxed

[copper inlet]

can you send me a pic like this 🙏 (just collecting some data)

[twin sequoia]

Move away power plant that is beside the converter and move it back. Sometimes there are efficiency errors that are easily solved this way (anyway, it is a bug that should be solved. But this is an easy hotfix).

[radiant sky]

is it in a megacity?
i Just checked when farming my plots in the MC and it seems the land mark bonus doesn't gets applied to converter passive generation. (But still shown in the info screen as it would)

[worthy rover]

I’ll give this a shot

[worthy rover]

I don’t think I can post pics in here, can I DM you?

[copper inlet]

totally (I will not DM first, if you got DM its a scam)

[worthy rover]

No megacity. I reported it but will try moving a power station and report back in a few days when it’s time to collect

[radiant sky]

might be a general bug then...
Your extractors get your landmark bonus, right?

[worthy rover]

Correct. I’m in contact with Peter about it, we’ll get to the bottom of it soon 😄

He’s gonna let me know if it does in fact give me 65, even though it says 42. I have over 10k fuel so it’s too small for me to see

[rapid tartan]

wow tier 4 land at 800 bucks...the people have spoken

and i heard today that theyll take the ability away from landowners to use their fuel for runs, theyll have to sell it, then rebuy it, is that true?

[tardy falcon]

Yep…
Land is in a sad state right now. Crippled and sidelined until other titles are developed and running well.

In their eyes fuel to plot is a money printer

[rapid tartan]

so it's probably safe to say land prices will continue to dump until it gets an update or we change chains?

as much as im dissatisfied with how theyve treated landowners, 800 bucks for t4 seems like robbery, high risk high reward play

[tardy falcon]

Idk… but it’s going to be a while before anything meaningful comes to zero

Yah it’s crazy

If you believe the games can be successful then t4 is good for fuel generation for that share of 5%

[rapid tartan]

5% is such major ass

[tardy falcon]

Revenue ain’t pouring in tomorrow though so I imagine there’s plenty time for them to sit cheap on the market

[tardy falcon]

Yah idk… if they were making 10mil per month then that’s half a mil shared by landowners monthly

[rapid tartan]

what a joke

i cant wait till ronin people realize that and roast them, maybe then theyll make a change

[tardy falcon]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m not happy about land at all… have explicitly stated my thoughts in here and other channels. But I do still wish for illuvium success. At least they are still around and haven’t folded like so many other projects.

[spiral turtle]

anyone else having trouble loading the game today?

Get here and its stuck.

I logged out and resigned into my passport but same problem?? Anyone else have this issue?

[tardy falcon]

U try different devices?

[spiral turtle]

I’ve only ever used 1

[tall crypt]

F

[wispy gale]

Dear community why i get this message when go to fuel exchange is it not working or it's under other adrees?

404 Not Found

[fair temple]

Fuel exchange is temporarily closed.

As in, there is a new process being introducrd. Currently they are testing the featueres on sepolia testnet .

Afterwards, the fuel exchange links on the site will be completely removed.

[radiant sky]

Have you tried letting it load for a couple mins?

[twin sequoia]

I still don´t know why 3 fuels was considered complex and needed to be simplified, but Gaunlet is not when all these things need to be "studied"

[spiral turtle]

Do we know how we will sell fuel after this update? The testnet fuel exchange doesnt appear to have a sell fuel option there.

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-elmer-fudd-looney-tunes-no-hagan-ruido-silencio-gif-15359412335766305595

[tardy falcon]

You can’t sell fuel anymore

[radiant sky]

Can't sell fuel anymore after Update.
You will have to Burn it to get a proportional share of the revenue depending on how much fuel you burned compared to the total amount of fuel burned.

They likely swap the "send fuel" to your overworld Ranger Button with a "Burn fuel" button

[tall crypt]

Temporarily? No, indefinitely. Temporarily is a period of time; permanently is undated, after several days have passed. It would have been better not to implement changes if they hadn't been prepared. But since the owners of the Illuvium Zero lands are the ones who get ripped off, it's worse than if they had bought a Beyond disc.

[tall crypt]

And what will happen to the Illuvium Events Crate vouchers?

[radiant sky]

No changes there.
You get x amount of fuel for what they are worth.
For example for a 15$ voucher you should get 15$ worth of fuel

[rose thicket]

The reason its "complex" is because it conflicts with this agenda: https://sandbox.illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel

Labs needs cash and fast

[rapid tartan]

wow, ravenquest giving 50% to their landowners instead of 5%

did you see that @tardy falcon

[graceful siren]

Land was a scam. Have the devs even apologised for taking our money and forgetting about us?

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[vivid cipher]

Seems like that is what was advertised. Are ecosystem rewards and revenue the same thing?

[rapid tartan]

not 100% yet, all i know is during the years i owned land i dont remember ever getting my 5% cut

[vivid cipher]

Forgotten does not seem accurate. The economy as designed prior to land sale proved to be broken, even after multiple modifications. And is now being redesigned.

[vivid cipher]

Did you sell any fuel?

[rapid tartan]

no, thanks to the 19:1 ratio selling fuel was impossible, i tried selling 50% below floor for the first few weeks before i gave up

[vivid cipher]

I tried once. But I don’t expect 5% of very little to be a significant t amount.

[vivid cipher]

Yeah those were the worst times since there was very little access to the information sellers would need

[rapid tartan]

and i thought the 5% was supposed to be all in game revenue, not just fuel sales...so there should have been other channels of revenue land owners were getting a cut from

[vivid cipher]

That’s true. I believe it’s been accumulated. And remains a small amount. But it’s not been allocated to anything else.

[rapid tartan]

i guess it is what it is, people spent 80k on t4 land and its now selling for 800 bucks and those individuals and early supporters never saw a return

[vivid cipher]

I’ve not paid attention to it too much. Typically the policy has been not to do a thing that costs more to do than is being distributed .

[rapid tartan]

the real cost was losing all the whales who were willing to throw around 10s of thousands of dollars per year

by leaving their product for last lmfao

[vivid cipher]

I can’t imagine anyone spent thousands to play zero. They spent it to get their share of the revenue.

[rapid tartan]

they also spent it because the original plan was that we could play 2 weeks after land sale and start accumulating fuel to sell to players when the overworld was ready

[rose thicket]

yes, there was a reason for IIP-64. And reason why I sent off the alarm bells 72 hours into mainnet about the 19:1 FEX. However, this was meet with FUD Warnings

[rapid tartan]

they were willing to be flexible about everything else in the game except the most important thing people cared about, the 19:1 ratio, this is why i and many others have left

[vivid cipher]

An old story full of misunderstandings. Certainly bad times.

[rapid tartan]

i still want the best for illuvium, but greed and stubbornness are hard for people to witness and swallow

[rose thicket]

glad you stated it here...it was so obvious...then Labs did a pandemic-level intervention thinking it would fix geometric growth and unaligned duration with demand with the 3 year paid game economists...it did not by a few magnitudes.

[rapid tartan]

they couldnt understand that it's purely a psychological play, 5% is bad mental, 50% is great, even if there isnt any revenue anyway

people want to think that there is hope for the future, 5% leaves very little hope to be had

[vivid cipher]

I had liked the taxation design better than the multiplier design. But a lot of people seemed pretty optimistic

[rapid tartan]

well 95% tax isnt very feel good either lmao

like i said, its all psychological

[rose thicket]

what is insulting is they sold a product in June '22 that was used to service the stakers debt (get people they owed money to not extract it). And the product was just conceptual...this is failure to perform at best and bet everyone can call it by other names that are much more accurate.

[rapid tartan]

psychology and sales/retention are synonymous in business

[vivid cipher]

I’d think 10x the income is more than just psychological. That would be real value change.

But if it’s short term when revenue is insignificant I guess that’s a different thing.

[rose thicket]

what the hell is "tax" mean in degen gamefi? you only tax "earnings"...landholders never experienced earnings because there was never demand.

[rapid tartan]

yep and my proposal was to decrease revenue based on player count, so while player count is low, landowners rev is higher, when player count goes up, the rev scales back down

[vivid cipher]

At some point the design had been discussed as being land owners produce fuel. And sell all their fuel onto the market. But the DAO takes 95% of the sold value.

Tax vs multiplier (what happened)

But any variable market without demand is gonna get messy

[rose thicket]

here is the deal. ICO enthusiasts $100M worth of tokens. Then owe them $60M worth of debt financing. Issue at sILV and get it hacked, so you issue out sILV2. Then create a campaign for them to spend it on Land NFT art. Issue sILV hire Andrew Wall to pump it with their own capital. And then dump that conceptual asset back on them. This is more accurate of what we are dealing with.

[rapid tartan]

the fact that theyre now removing the ability to use your own fuel is likely the last nail in the coffin for zero, landowners should be treated like VIP, and have a seamless coheasive experience, not having to do the land chores, then sell, then rebuy, then use your fuel...all the extra steps arent going to keep people sticky to the experience

that being said i appreciate the back and forth, have a great evening

[rose thicket]

Your voice is needed. Nobody is buying the fooly or smoke and mirrors this time...at least not accoring to the ILV chart.

[vivid cipher]

My memory is that I disliked the idea of sILV from the beginning. Though I was not too idealistic to not pull the claim, swap, stake loop.

[rapid tartan]

in illuviums defense, though we can pinpoint a lot of obvious mistakes theyve made, there are nearly no assets in the gaming NFT world that havent depreciated by a significant %. There really has been no winning with gaming nfts across any IP.

[rose thicket]

true

[rapid tartan]

imx in particular was really good at selling their platform to gaming companies, but really terrible with support, they did a lot of hit and runs on many different communities, illuvium being one of the major ones

performance, education, marketing, has been sub par and overall lacking from the imx team

[rose thicket]

where did the $100M go?

[rapid tartan]

i think the best thing illuvium could do at this point is rotate to a better chain, and cater to a fresh audience, but only after they balance the economy better and develop the IP further

thats the 100 million dollar question my friend

[vivid cipher]

I’ve certainly tried to share in the past that this count is not a real count.

You don’t agree.

I think that Most of that $100m you mention would have been sILV2 that was burnt.

[rose thicket]

there is $100M worth of captial that flowed into the ILV ICO. $8-10M into Land net of sILV. And another ~$20M from VC.

the best thing ILV could do at this point is admit they cannot manage capital and return it proportional back to the stakeholders at like 10 cents on the dollar.

[vivid cipher]

You mean the Balancer sale of 640,000 ILV.

[rose thicket]

I am speaking of the total external capital that has flowed into this IP over the last four years that had an investment nature to it.

Technically, the $60M of sILV was capital. It was dividend or yiel from the junk bonds called ILV or the ICO. Its not magic money.

They have destroyed at least $150M worth of capital and not generated $1M in four years.

In the meantime, the world has experienced about 15% inflation year-over-year for four consecutive years. So get all of that in some perspective on performance.

[vivid cipher]

Oh I’m definitely too dumb to not think of it as a marketing gimmick/gift certificate

[rose thicket]

I certainly did not call you dumb. You know way more about this whole thing than do I. But I just trying to help call "balls and strikes" of the reality of the financial picture.

[vivid cipher]

I did not intend to put those words in your mouth. No worries. That’s me about me.

[rose thicket]

well thanks for all that you have done for the Zero community for many years. you have been a champion and of great help to me.

[vivid cipher]

I think there was $5m revenue that got put in the “safety pool”.

But that’s technically ILV stakers funds too. The massive amounts of revenue getting distributed to people that are not the DAO doesn’t work when there’s not massive amounts of revenue.

[rose thicket]

why did ILV start receiving strong sell pressure in March '22 and again in early fall of '22 prior to the FTX collapse of Nov '22?

[vivid cipher]

I assume increasing supply. But I’ll check.

I’m not looking at actual volume, just prices. March was actual a fairly positive month in 22. But the tank hit in April.

[silver bluff]

i have minted some blueprint in my land, where i can see it for selling ???

i can t see it in illuvidex.illuvium.io

[vivid cipher]

The IlluviDex

Go to illuvium.io

Hmmm

I’ll ban the scammer too. Hang on I’ve got another idea

[vivid cipher]

Probably your land is on your metamask. And your metamask is not connected to the IlluviDex.

If so then tranferring the blueprint from metamask to passport would help.

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10286692776591-Guide-for-users-who-skipped-the-migration-from-old-account-system

That guide would do it.

[vivid cipher]

Beware anyone sending you DMs.

[silver bluff]

ok thx, i try it ...

[minor pilot]

when are blueprints going to be useable ?

[spiral turtle]

Anyone else on a MAC having difficulty loading the game last couple days? I'm stuckon the Loading Plot Screen.

Mac. I havent changed a thing. I log in 3 to 4x a day. Yesterday and today it stopped working. I can hear the audio kick in but the game screen never opens.

are you sending me a friend request?

[spiral turtle]

Heres the kicker.. I can get into my free plot. But not my MegaCity. This game. 🙄

[grand silo]

you're lucky if its only just started for you. some of us had well over a month knocking on 2 months with no access. Hopefully a fix is coming soon.

[vivid cipher]

Sounds right. Fuel will be fuel.

I’ve not heard definitively what the window would be.

[vivid cipher]

Scammers do love doing that

[spiral turtle]

Oh wow really?? First time ive had this issue.\

[spiral turtle]

Oh yes I know. Ive lost more money to so called helpful people dm'ing me. Ashamed to say it happened twice.

[vivid cipher]

Dang sorry man

[spiral turtle]

1st time they just got me because I was naive. Second time I was jet lagged and brain dead. Value at the time from both projects is probably in the range of 20,000 usd in losses. So i wont fall for it again. But yeah it hurt bad. both times

[radiant sky]

I had the Same thing twice recently... Letting it load for a while worked tho.

[grand silo]

yep im about 6weeks now but others are more count your blessings youve only come across it now

[leaden egret]

Hi all, on two lands from my mega City I have such différence !
Why that ?…
Both level 3, don t understand why.

[tall crypt]

This data isn't true. $73 million was raised from the sale of 20,000 plots of land, which are now worth barely $4 million. Another portion was raised from ILV's ICO... Of all that capital, there's hardly anything left. Illuvium has already spent its last bullet. The only thing left is for the CEOs to resign, admit they mismanaged the project, and sell it to another company, which would leave ILV tokens and land without economic rights.

[solid cove]

when switching to a single fuel, will the entire amount of fuel that we are currently producing be left in zero? let's say I have 60k crypton, will that be what I will have left to burn?

[agile sigil]

Could someone update me in short term what changes for lands now? Have been ackumulation fuel for all time and was gonna send to overworld but cant do that? Scoriox and TSG mention something on there youtube like it is what it is. For me i bought these lands on promises not ROI but what land will do. Now i wonder what changes for us land owners since he was going to get 5% revenue and fuel mining with blueprints

[tall crypt]

Ha ha... ILV isn't a share, it's a token that currently grants economic rights. Corporately, Illuvium is a company with separate capital. The shareholders of the parent company (3 Arrow, Alameda, etc.) are the actual owners of Illuvium; they have only invested $5 million. The company was funded by the sale of land and the placement of the ILV token. Organizational decisions are made by ILV token holders.

Currently, the ILV game is merely pretty, but financially, it's a ruin incapable of generating revenue. Typically, in a project's development phase, the initial managers are innovative developers; in a second phase, they should step aside and let a professional management team make decisions based on economics; and in a third phase, the management team should be replaced by a team that expands the game.

[minor pilot]

any idea of when they are going to do something with blueprints

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-did-i-just-read-what-the-fuck-wtf-did-i-just-read-wtf-i-read-wtf-gif-22159188

[hearty cradle]

hi
illuvium labs is a company contracted by the illuvium dao to develop the project

[timber sapphire]

Basically you can only burn your fuel and get a portion of the revenue based on the total amount of fuel that was burned in a certain time period. You can't set your own price anymore and you can't send it to your overworld account anymore. They fked landholders again and hope this will fix overworld because those people are too dumb to figure out how 3 different fuel work

That's what I understood from it

[agile sigil]

I think we landholders are the dumb ones bought this 😅

[dusk siren]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-gif-11069524170536970907

[timber sapphire]

Yeah bought on too many empty promises

[rose thicket]

Since you know all..what was the ICO raise? How much in the VC raises?

[tall crypt]

ICO 95M, sell lands: 76M$ but a lot of this was payed with sILV2 (dividens ILV holders)

[rose thicket]

So 95+76 = 171M. I have figures for another ~20-25M in VC funding. So my 150M capital is figure ~50M short (I knew that when I stated it). My point, replying to Labs staff (not you), is that whatever has been done over the last four years has NOT been accretive to whoever invested in it. So please understand where Landholders discontent comes from.

[tall crypt]

Between 2020 and 2022, there was a lot of faith in the markets. When they launched the land sale, they found themselves with $72 million more, although there was considerably less in the form of ETH. So they decided to modify the project for one with much higher quality, thinking that the more beautiful it was, the more profit it would generate (at the time, they called it a triple-A project). It was a shift mixed with vanity and egocentrism that has led us to now have a high-quality, loss-making project. What to do now? The CEOs are in a good place because they'll say there's a lot of competition and the market situation.

[hearty cradle]

we dao didnt raise $96M from the ICO

guys all raises are on the blockchain

$5m from pre/seed
$40m from balancer sale
$10m from framework
$5m from safety pool
$12m from serie A
Total raised $72m

[tall crypt]

72M or 96 M$ its the same. Now only have funds for pay servers.

[hearty cradle]

im pretty sure they didnt raise $90m from the balancer sale
maybe @vivid cipher knows

[hearty cradle]

u said $96m from ICO
pre/seed and the private raises are not ICO

land sale on gave the dao about $1.4m

[vivid cipher]

I should write it down somewhere. But this is almost certainly accurate. The balancer sale was NOT as much as many people like to say.

[tall crypt]

Preseed 0'5M, seed 4,5M Public sale 90M

[vivid cipher]

It’s wrong

The public sale was not for 1,000,000 tokens at $90 each

Fact

[hearty cradle]

just wanna let u know that.
please proceed with the rant

[vivid cipher]

As jaganite says it’s possible to check all of this ON CHAIN. All of the eth that was received from the balancer sale was all in one wallet address after the sale.

[dusk siren]

Can someone make a one pager and pin it in token chat?

[hearty cradle]

this is the token chat now

[tardy falcon]

Idk Ravenquest.
But I'll say sure, allocation is not good for Land. 5/95%. I've always felt it pitted Land against Token holders. And the priority is token holders holding on to their revdis. So any attempt to change that has been dead in the water. But that was set from the beginning and why? IDK... wasn't there for that.

I'll also say... land would have permanent value if they could produce X amount of plot to account transfer.
The DAO sees that as free money for Land.

BUT... what if we make a deal with the DAO
For every 1 fuel we transfer to our account then one fuel gets burned and opts out of revenue.
So if we have 10,000 fuel we can transfer 5,000 and the other 5,000 gets eliminated
@minor pagoda What do you think about this for making plot to account transfer work?

Nevermind... that just changes personal allocation and doesn't affect the 5% allocation.

Wish there was a way to make Plot to Account transfer work

[dreamy pollen]

What happens after you mint the blueprint? Where do the skins go? I'm trying to figure this out.

[vivid cipher]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/account/profile?collection=Blueprint

You’d need the wallet that has the land to be connected to the IlluviDex. Passport and/or secondary wallet (metamask)

You should also see them in the overworld when that’s live on mainnet again. When you look at forging skins

[dreamy pollen]

Ok, Thanks. I'll take another look. I think I know what I did wrong.

[open stratus]

I mean they also had a game before introducing web3 elements to it.. and let's just say the artwork and graphics are not comparable

[stiff talon]

So if fuel is becoming one unified fuel system what actually happens to land and having all 3 fuels on a plot? Basically having a plot with all 3 fuels has become redundant, making those plots less desirable?

[untold relic]

For now plan is that you will just burn fuel for 5 percent revenue. Probably in the future, if arena succeeds and new overworld does well, they will come up with new ideas for zero.

[stiff talon]

Interesting. I just hope Zero isn't left behind and dead in the water. It would be sad. Will Arena be making it to mobile?

[untold relic]

It won't be, but priorities right now are Arena and Arena mobile. Then overworld, maybe in mean time we get some ideas about zero. I think new director said that he has some ideas about it.

I think first good thing that happened was unified fuel. Of course if isn't yet on mainnet. The second are drone runs. I think the next unknown thing from outside perspective is what they will do with Illuvial collection, it needs utility. And the second thing is land. But if there is no revenue land doesn't serve any purpose. Also they could make zero more fun to play.

Generaly I think they are moving in right direction. It just depends on execution.

[stiff talon]

Yeah look I want the project to succeed so whatever if for the good for the project. I also just want a super fun game in my hands to enjoy. I like what they are doing with Arena - a TFT knockoff with Iluvium assets - the overworld game sounds cool and Kieran mentioned hes keen on a MOBA at some point. I think the MOBA could be massive but the illuvials would just be a character like in LOL. Then land can build different skins for Illuvials so that your character stands out. That could bring utility. Common, Rare and Legendary skins.

[vivid cipher]

Different Fuel sites has always only been most helpful when building up your land. Has much less to do with selling or providing fuel for overworld, since there’s always been fuel conversion.

[stiff talon]

Fair enough

[zinc cloak]

The fact is your team sucked money out of your community like crazy and are failing on every metric while reneging promises to your community.

Go to your mirror and repeat the prices you charged people for land until the only words you can think to say is ‘I’m sorry’

To be clear I have NOT lost money, I bought when ETH was low and sold when things started to become clear that you guys didn’t know what you where doing. I am in profit but very much feel for people who bought tier 3 and 4 lands

Study humility

[vivid cipher]

Thanks for the reminder. Let me know if there’s ever anything you are unclear on.

[timber sapphire]

I hard disagree with that. There has been a price difference in the types of fuels for a reason. Same for landplots with the different types of fuels which were a higher price because you get less with conversion unless you have it fully optimized, but then you still lose time and space. But I guess we just have to deal with it

[vivid cipher]

Yeah ok there’s that

[pseudo pulsar]

@stiff talon ease of operation is the perk of having three fuel sites

@stiff talon having 3 fuels makes it that much better/easyer to level up dont have think as hard ...

[white axle]

So where are all the blueprints i made in zero!?

[iron laurel]

If you have your land on a cold wallet that is where they are. Link that wallet to your Passport account to see them.

[vapid quartz]

hey, i am a land owner here, been forever i havent checked this project, the last messages makes me understand as a land owner i got fucked? why?

[graceful siren]

Because the sale value of your land is pennies as the project is a failure. Your fuel revenue is basically zero because nobody is paying to play any of the games. Only thing you could do was send your account your fuel to use in the linked games but now they stopped that too. All dev focus (such that it is) is on trying to fix the other games. We’re basically 3rd class on the titanic. Whole ship is going down but we’ve still been treated worse than most

[vapid quartz]

ahahah that's great

[iron laurel]

Or if you want to be less pessimistic, the team quickly realized that the other games need changes to become more sticky and are focused on making those changes as the only way land owners will ever see an ROI is if the other games get in players. So, yes, we are on a back burner for now but it is not to screw us over but to give the team the resources to make Illuvium successful.

[graceful siren]

@iron laurel not sure you can say it’s quickly when they are out of money and had to sack half the team

[iron laurel]

Going from time when game was released.

[tardy falcon]

Either way... Land right now = not so great as reflected in land prices
A T4 is now close to the cost of what some people paid for a t1 in '22
2022 yes. Almost 3 years ago. And Zero still has to wait for future development.
If there were some momentum or effort or energy behind Zero I wouldn't be so pessimistic... but this is the reality right now until something changes.

First image is an example of purchase price for t1 in '22. Second image is current price of t4.

[iron laurel]

During land sale I bought a MC with a T3 , 2 T2 and a T1 as well as 3 T1 plots so yeah, I know we are down and it hurts.

[tardy falcon]

I just don't understand how halting all Zero energy is supposed to help. Clearly the sentiment is shit. I get the focus on the other games is priority. But the negative effects of decoupling and shoving to the side land only makes people talk bad about the project. The amount of money saved per month if there were a SINGLE person dedicated to developing/promoting/advocating for Zero would very likely save the project money because sentiment is huge in this space. All it really takes is one Zero cheerleader on the team to show effort towards land in some capacity. No confidence in a product by it's own developer speaks volumes. Rich wants to be that cheerleader but he's got about 24 different hats on and Zero really needs someone who knows the ins and outs and can dev it also.

[vivid cipher]

I can’t imagine that there are very many game devs that do a good job at being the front man and the backend developer. There are at least two people on the team still working on zero that I don’t think work on other things.

Much of the bug fixes that have been needed have been fixed but that patch has not been released. The work actively being done is on the Fuel integration system as that is key to the economy and is what most anyone playing on their land will need to work properly.

[iron laurel]

Games were released and didn't have the huge number of players we all wanted. So, now it is back to try to get the MMO as fast as possible and make changes to gauntlet. I don't think it is a lack of confidence in Zero by the team, I think it is just a question of what to prioritize first. I know how unfair it feels but we have to be realistic and focus on our best chance of success. When MMO is in full swing, Gauntlet is done, then it is time for the team to look at Zero and figure out a way to make it attractive as a city building genre that will bring in new people. Is it disappointing for land owners because we have already waited a long time? Yes. But, I don't believe the team is purposely rugging us, which is the only thing that would make me mad enough to leave. They haven't totally halted everything in Zero. I think they are doing their best to give Zero players a game to play and some assets to accumulate in the form of BPs and skins while trying to get Illuvium going. I won't say anyting bad about a team who I believe is giving it their all, even if I don't always agree with their decisions on how to do things. The best thing we can do now imo is let them know our concerns with policies but then continue to try to be patient. Kieran has a ton of land. I am sure he wants Zero to one day be profitable too. They don't have a way to make our land worth what we paid without making the other games successful. It's just how it is and until that happens sentiment will continue to be low around land no matter what they do. Decoupling is a hard blow to take though, I admit that. I bought land to play the economic game and that is gone. Still, buying into something before it is done is always a risk and I own that it was my decision to take that risk.

[tardy falcon]

Well, I do agree about the speculation aspect. Was a risk all along.
And I'd love to see the other games be successful and therefore land get the attention it needs eventually. Time will tell.

[dusk siren]

did you see how my megacity ended up? I think the dev was wearing meme glasses

im letting the weeds grow so I can catch that first kraken illuvial real quick

[rose thicket]

It is a fallacy to equate the success of other ILV games with the sabotaging of the investments made in Land (ie. mostly used to erase the ILV staking debts of the ICO without ever building a true product to sale). If it is expedient to write down half of the capital invested in this project (EP-1) so you can attract people to buy Auto Drone Runs that have no real utility today, why would anyone take a long position in this project ever again? If Land goes, my prediction is that the ILV sale pressure will not be far behind.

[iron laurel]

I don't think your average ILV holder cares about Zero. They just want Illuvium to have at least one very succesful game and for alt coins to pump.

[rose thicket]

Total folly in logic. Who received all of the sILV? What was used to by 6/7ths of the land? Who has acquired the Land during this downtrend. Who elected Epoch 10 (that was electable)?

[spice vector]

i bought 2 more plots 😅

[vivid cipher]

Hehe the waterfront property doesn’t have the higher value you were hoping for?

[dusk siren]

nothing today has the value I was hoping for. I at least hoped for a tunnel when the roads were crossing the water

[rose thicket]

@vivid cipher & @spice vector is there any data on the number of wallets that have made a unique purchase of in-game assets post mainnet launch?

[vivid cipher]

I’ve only ever looked on immutascan. And the typical metric looked at is illuvial minters. Which is not necessarily the same thing. Since the t0 illuvials cost nothing to mint.

[dusk siren]

mainnet is yet to launch. We will erase all those nfts real soon and make new stuff

[rose thicket]

what would be a conservative estimate? I would hope Labs is managinge leading and lagging indicators of success for its strategy...surely unique active buyers is somewhere on the dashboard to measure

[iron laurel]

Not everyone who owns ILV or stakes ILV bought land.

[rose thicket]

who said everyone. use basic deductive reasoning...its a huge overlap and correlation...if you lose confidence in land, hold ILV, then what?

[vivid cipher]

I’m NOT Athe guy that would have access to that stuff. The only data that was ever made public was the monthly user data for the first few months. I don’t have the clout to change that.

[rose thicket]

thanks for the straight answer. My guess is around 500

[dusk siren]

my guess is about 99% bots to farm the airdrop

scoriox did post a vid with the exact numbers I believe

[rose thicket]

well, I am excising bots from my estimate

we are probably down to about 4,000 unique landholders...and no more than 800 total uniques buyers of in-game assets. I think by any basic measure of reason that there is a HIGH correlation between landholders and in-game buyers.

I communicate with over 50 landholders and can only think of 2 that do not hold ILV.

[iron laurel]

But it isn't a huge overlap. If you are right about there being 4,000 unique landowners, there are 53K ILV holders. That doesn't include the people who hold ILV and have never staked.

I know the number that used to get thrown around in 2023 was 7K unique landowners. I think you are right that the number did drop though as people who had one or two plots left.

[rose thicket]

would be interesting to see a total % of market cap of ILV held by Landholders (would even carve out the admins as that is irrelevant).

what we had like 220 wallets vote in Epoch 10?

[dusk siren]

the whale that is dumping 50 T4 plots holding the floor taking a 750K$ loss is trying to drop

[iron laurel]

It's hard to get real numbers. Speaking personally, I have multiple wallets holding my ILV that have never interacted with each other. I also don't have any staked ILV in the same wallet as my land.

No one cares about governance, voter numbers are no indication of how many unique wallets there are. OK, some do care but very few. It's the same as in any project.

[rose thicket]

far, it is intriguing...I bet if land goes, ILV will be impaired for the rest of this bull run (yes BTC is up 5.5x+ from the bottom).

in other words, the most assured mutual self-destruction is to completely devalue either ILV or Land at this stage. think this is a no brainer conclusion if you think 2nd and 3rd order impacts

our strategy is to pull the plug on land, turn on stripe for fiat transactions (I pushed the IMC for and educated them), and sell ADRs at scale with no utility for the NFTs?

peg our entire economy to 'full illuvial set collectors' worth ~$300/ea...you only need to convert 1,667 new buyers every single month so that @vivid cipher & @plain oak keep getting paid after our capital is exhausted...then after we cover overhead there might be a dribble of dividends kicked out to ILV holders since the Landholders will be whiped out.

[vivid cipher]

Thanks for looking out for me. My 12 children would get very hungry

[tardy falcon]

If only they would implement a burn mechanism for all illuvium nfts... especially illuvials and illuvitars. Reduce supply and benefit current users with XP... that would help with over supply a lot.

Boggled why that hasn't happened yet

[rose thicket]

well, they would have been a long time ago if $10M worth of ETH had not come in and $62M have capital was paid out to ILV holders...your 'baker's dozen' is eating equity and not merited earnings from actual customers...fairly naive and pompous to forget that detail.

all original holders were sold 'fight for eth' and they should have delivered on it...still told that they could with the Lizard Labs API. Don't "relocate" to the UAE if it jeopardizes your strategy. All the analytics I have seen show this project fell off of a cliff in terms of engagement right after that was abandoned, and Adrew Wall got shown the door after helping them pull off the $72M landsale. The ILV token price correlates closely to this timeline.

[tall crypt]

With me 3.

[open stratus]

3

Ok 4

[vivid cipher]

But that’s just wallets. Not people. 🤷

[flint frigate]

Hi Jesse.

just a question about the "token" used in ILV0 for builders and speeding up building.

when u transfer or sell/buy them, they reset right?

do they still have a chance to regenerate back to its max after that transaction?

[native lichen]

Anyone researched and found any sear blueprints lately? I've searched for 10 days running 5 labs and nothing... found a bunch of umbre prints on my other plot, just nothing for sear 🤔

[flint frigate]

also, max builders is around 2? correct?

if i want to read about specific info about this, where can i find them?

[vivid cipher]

I’m fairly certain but will check…

The speed up tokens are account based. So they should be kept in the account after land is sold or transferred.

Regarding getting more tokens for free… Probably not. Players would get the speed up tokens when the lands would level up. Lands retain their level when sold or transferred. Now there should not be a maximum level. But I think the levels beyond 201 don’t give speed up tokens.

But again I’ll ask.

[vivid cipher]

Max builders is 3

The BUILDERS do not transfer. And are lost when sold/transferred

[flint frigate]

so, basically, those builders get nowhere and only the minters/original holders have a chance of using them. correct?

[vivid cipher]

Builders are only for the account that paid for them. Yeah.

[flint frigate]

thx for answering..

[vivid cipher]

So if you add a secondary wallet to your account, You can transfer the land to that wallet and it will still be in your account.

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-patch-notes-1-0-4-backend-patch-and-secondary-wallets

[flint frigate]

got it.

figuring it out now.

i have 2 T1s, and im wondering why I can only build with 2 builders the next builder should be 400 tokens and yet its not longer generating those. maxed out i think, or i need to purchase via mobile? correct?

[vivid cipher]

That’s right. You’d have to buy tokens for the third one. Only doable on mobile.

Your free tier 0 land also produces speed up tokens as it levels up

Reseting a land does not reset its level. So that’s not a trick to get more speed up tokens.

[flint frigate]

yes, i purchased a T2, and im wondering if it will still generate those. cuz it too slow building with just 1 builder

[vivid cipher]

So the trick I’m thinking might work is transferring a land to a new passport account. The new passport account would get a new free t0 land that could earn more speed up coins. But even that has a limited amount of speed up coins it can generate. So maybe not better lol

[flint frigate]

got it. gonna try this one!

[vivid cipher]

You lose any extra builders you already have on the land before you transfer. So… be smart there I guess

The free land is pretty slow slow

Paying a few bucks on mobile works pretty well! Haha salesmanship fail

[flint frigate]

welp, i moved to a different country, and it started rejecting my orders. hahaha

if i lose patience maybe i can just shrug it off. lol

so currently, i cant purchase those extra tokens for my 3rd builder

they never thought of having the ability to purchase on desktop would help player more no?

[iron laurel]

Not lately, at the very beginning though I got Sear Scales suit and all 4 drones.

[native lichen]

Yeah over a week ago I got 1 sear Armour BP but nothing since... its the longest drought I've had haha

[iron laurel]

I had my longest drought searching for Titanor Hilde but I finally got it! Hope you get Sear BPs soon. It's always sad having nothing.

[tardy falcon]

I went to show a friend how Zero BPs work... I have like 35 Mat Labs across my plots... didn't get a single BP that day /: That was awkward.

[vivid cipher]

“Let me show you how it works”

https://tenor.com/view/slightly-rugged-robin-james-rugged-look-slightly-rough-rough-around-the-edges-gif-24900238

[tardy falcon]

The odds were ever so in my favor thoooo D:

[safe crater]

So will the changes in land revenue, will landowners be actually be able to earn more then a few cents per day?

[hearty cradle]

technically the changes in IZ should not affect overall ecosystem revenue but it will make it easier for landholders to earn by burning the fuel instead of undercutting on the FEX and waiting for buyer to buy their sell orders

indirectly the change to merge fuel into 1 and fixing fuel price should have overall positive outcome for players

[safe crater]

Ah so easier to sell, but still close to worthless?

Thanks for the explanation

[hearty cradle]

easier does not mean more

the amount of earning will solely depend on demand of OW and ADR

which depends on the success of gauntlet

[timber sapphire]

You get a few cents a day?? Lucky

[safe crater]

I suppose then its irrelevant for now. Cool upgrade to sell faster for worthless for the future, but not worth to play for now

[safe crater]

I just didnt want to hurt anyone's feelings 😂

[hearty cradle]

ur welcome

[twin sequoia]

Don´t buy a third builder for a T1, you will never have resources to use it. Stay with 2 at most. In a T2 you can take advantage of the third builder if you regularly enter to collect resources but with 2 builders it should be ok if you aren´t on a hurry, as it will take time until there is good demand for fuel and/or BP.

[foggy sage]

How many bio data are there 130?

[tawdry plank]

Yes

[sacred mural]

Is there any list of all the biodata?
Once we found them all 130 we could sold the scanners and place some more energy converters for passive energy generation right? Is there any reason to keep the scanners after that?

[twin sequoia]

AFAIK not until a new set of illuvials is released, and it won´t happen anytime soon. Now it would have been a good time to do it, as fuel is almost useless until the first "dump" is done when next patch is deployen on mainnet

[agile sigil]

Im really disapointed in Illuvium zero and all they promised, now they change everything and we are down 95% of our investment...

[hazy crest]

What did they promise?

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-idk-i-dunno-i-dont-know-no-clue-gif-5178996

[grand silo]

hey guys any update on when MCs can get access again?

[whole spear]

It’s the next update, it was aimed to be this week but it’s intertwined with the unified fuel integration now so it’s pushed it a bit more but I’m hoping next week 🤞🏽

[grand silo]

thanks Rich appreciate the update

[tulip perch]

Is buying fuel in IZ also disabled ATM cant seem to buy fuel to get another builder ?

[twin sequoia]

Builders are bought with credits, and they seem available on mobile device, as always.

[tulip perch]

Couldn’t buy earlier maybe my wifi was low

[radiant sky]

Ignore that Guy he's a scammer

You have to buy them on mobile in case you didn't know

Can't buy on desktop

[twin sequoia]

ummm, where is the bot?

[radiant sky]

What bot?

[twin sequoia]

scamm

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[twin sequoia]

that one!

[twin sequoia]

I´ve been unable to list/unlist plots in Illuvidex for some time now.

Did it happen also to you? I tried relogin

[mortal spruce]

Works

[mortal spruce]

What get you all per day? Or every 20h?
I have a T4 and get complete 1440 per 20h

[stable minnow]

Has anyone found the Ophisto Mozart skin? Trying to see if it’s a bug or I am just super unlucky

[stable minnow]

Thanks, good to know it exists and my last week chasing it has just been RNG hating me 😂

[tardy falcon]

same... past few days have been pretty sparse here too

[lyric hamlet]

Just read the burn report

Omg

January revenue 7k and February 9k, down from its peak last year by 80%

Not much confidence in your job after seeing your company's number like that

Operating Income at negative 710%

And this is allegedly lol. Nothing similar to an audit version of a real company

[rose thicket]

$100M of capital invested and generating less than $120K ARR. Perspective, this is the minimum monthly quota for almost every middle income earning sales producer in the US selling to small businesses.

[radiant sky]

#💰〕token

[lyric hamlet]

We're not talking about the token

[lyric hamlet]

Man, I would of bought at least 25 million in long term bonds at 4%

[radiant sky]

Ya, but it's #💰〕token topic, can also be #💬〕general topic
Definetly not Zero topic

[lyric hamlet]

Guaranteed 1 million in cash for each year

I'm a zero bag holder trying to understand why this company not delivering on their sales pitch to investors

[vivid cipher]

Looking for #🎮〕illuvium-arena ?

[terse flare]

My mistake 😆

[vivid cipher]

IZ devs had success testing the fuel migration system today. Gotta wait for the overworld side before it can be implemented for the public.

[tulip perch]

Some sort of imx issue me thinks cant log into iz

[hazy crest]

@lyric hamlet What sales pitch?

[twin sequoia]

If fuel cannot be bought and big changes are expected for OW, I see it quite normal. Let´s hope it improves soon.

[vagrant steeple]

I think I've got all the biodata for all the illuvials of zero (discover the illuvial, not all 5 data). Has anyone else managed to do this? I've been entering to my land every day since launch; it took me 8 months.

[hazy jewel]

Is it possible to transfer a land on open sea ? is there a guide ?

[harsh dew]

😄

[radiant sky]

Honestly... i have never done it, since it doesn't make any sense.
But i would try it maybe with "transfer out" in your Passport settings.

maybe try it with a super cheap illuvitar first...

[iron laurel]

Congrats on finding all 130!

[jagged bough]

If you are interested, I am selling my 3-room apartment, very good location, 2 fuels of each near the break at the lowest price. everything is almost built and optimized to the max.

[twin knot]

Congrats! Got 98 still some efforts needed...

[vivid cipher]

Technically any nft on immutable X chain can be withdrawn to ethereum mainnet. There are mainnet gas costs involved. Once it’s on mainnet you could use opensea for helping do things with it. We don’t have any guides for doing this. There should be some guidelines somewhere for withdrawing (it’ll technically be minted on mainnet, maybe could be described as generative bridging) NFTs from imx to ethereum. Getting NFTs back from ethereum mainnet is slightly more tricky, I understand. But still doable.

[gilded hemlock]

Been scrolling for 10 min. Can't find any info on what happened to the fuel exchange. No announcements from the Dev's. What's going on?

[timber sapphire]

They are gonna implement a system for overworld where you only use 1 fuel. You can convert the current fuel you have in 1:89 conversion. You can't send your fuel to your own overworld account anymore and you can't sell the fuel yourself you burn it and get your moneyportion of the total fuel burned

[vivid cipher]

https://illuvium.io/news/unified-fuel-automated-drone-run-overworld-tweaks-and-more

[gilded hemlock]

Great. Thanks.

[twin sequoia]

I suggested that they should add a message

[radiant sky]

it was announced

[rapid tartan]

I hope there are some serious eye opening lessons here about land, after seeing the success of Ravenquest. They put landholders first, they made land simple to profit from and use, and have been agile enough to make changes on the fly since launch, instead of going on vacation for 2 weeks after release.

As far as I'm concerned if landowners aren't happy you don't have a game.

Land owners are the people with $ that will increase your annual reoccurring revenue, help you with consistency and more accurate financial projections.

[torpid relic]

Hey, hoping I have an easy question for someone to help me with. Just created my Passport account, it's attached to my wallet. Online, I see my plot of land, but I just downloaded the game and I can only see a free plot on my account. Any suggestions or clarity on this?

You have 0 chat history here

[radiant sky]

Have you linked your wallet your Land is on to your passport Account?

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10406704244495-How-to-add-an-External-Wallet-to-your-Passport-Account

[radiant sky]

No teammember or mod will dm you first.
Be aware of scammers and stay safe out there 🙂

[torpid relic]

I assumed because I saw it logged in on the website with the passport account, it'd be set. I'll have a look at this though. Thanks

[radiant sky]

Should actually, but better Check it 🙂
If you just Set up everything just now, it might be worth a try to Clear Browser data, restart Browser and login fresh.

[torpid relic]

Doing that would be on the browser side, right? Not the mobile game side

[radiant sky]

Yes

[radiant sky]

If you play on mobile, a restart of your Phone did solve multiple Problems in the past. Might be worth a try aswell

[torpid relic]

I'll try that real quick.

[torpid relic]

Got it. I see I had to transfer from my wallet to the Passport account itself. I see it now

Thank you

[radiant sky]

actually you should be fine holding the land on a 2nd wallet, like a hardware wallet or MM or whatever.
You just need to link it in the passport settings.

like my land for example is on a MM wallet, linked to the passport.

[torpid relic]

That's how it was, but it wasn't showing. Did the transfer in to the passport and now it's on there.

[minor pilot]

How many different bio's are there im at 130 ?

havnt found a new one for a week or so

[tawdry plank]

You found all of them

[minor pilot]

awesome tyvm will stop searching

[quiet ocean]

Cant log in to zero?same problem?

[quiet ocean]

Ok ty

[placid plover]

Anybody else stuck on 'Checking Registration' this morning?

[copper inlet]

Immutable having some issues today, situation s developing

[placid plover]

Gotcha, figured the outage hadnt resolved or there was something else. I'll check in later.

[fossil galleon]

Logged in to Zero just now. Didn’t work about 10 mins ago. See how it goes …

[iron laurel]

Hilde and I have another matching outfit for OW.
I hope we know soon what is happening with skins.

[broken roost]

Wait we have stage 2 and 3 bps?

[radiant sky]

no, but we have BP's of stage 2 and 3 biodata.

[broken roost]

Sorry I don't see the difference

[radiant sky]

the blueprint itself don't have stages

[broken roost]

I see. I should still research stage 3 biodata then

[radiant sky]

if you want it's blueprint you have to, yes 🙂

[broken roost]

Yeah iwas only looking for stage 1 blueprints

Thought they were the only ones

Sorry, stage 1 illuvial bps

[radiant sky]

bps +biodata

😄

yea
you can find 22 Blueprints for each Illuvial biodata there is (130 in total)

[broken roost]

I keep getting more and more confused 😂

This isn't written anywhere official where I can read is it?

[radiant sky]

no not really

[broken roost]

I completely trust you but I don't want to bother with questions

[radiant sky]

what's the confusion?

[broken roost]

How are there 22 blueprints for let's say pho biodata?

[radiant sky]

na man asking questions is a big part of justifying this discords extisence 🙂

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

this might help

still was too lazy to look up the names of the t0 armor lines tho 😅

[broken roost]

Oh my god

I just read that, who the hell came up with this mess

[radiant sky]

it's actually pretty simple i feel
however, there are some flaws community already talked about in for example:
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1320645180755284040

[twin sequoia]

but 3 fuel types was complex haha

I noticed some strange behavior that I don´t know if it is intentional. This is the reward of the daily goals, depending of the level of the extractors

To highlight, once last level is developed, all goals go to a minimun as you can see in plots #2 and #3 ... almost always.
In the fourth plot carbon and Hydrogen extractors are not maxed out but goal is minimized and silicon mine is at max level but also reward. But there is not solon extractor, so this could be the reason.
But in the first T3 all Hydrogen and Hyperon is maxed and also is the reward. And in the second there is no Crypton extractor but Carbon reward is minimized, so I´m not sure.

I guess this is only another bug, but I didn´t know how to report this ingame

Also, the "Stage" view in some plots get updated after resources are spend and in other not

At the end, it is better not to maximize element extractors, as the rewards give more resources

that a lvl9 extractor

[exotic yacht]

Illuvium was my worst investment this cycle

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-11689059539835963602

[coral geyser]

Hi, I claimed part of my Season 2 rewards, but now I can't see any button to claim the rest after vesting. Can you help?

[vague summit]

Once you claimed them, you forfeited the remainder.

[gritty saddle]

Is sending fuel disabled atm?

[iron laurel]

Land will no longer be able to send fuel to OW.

[gritty saddle]

Sooooooo...what is land for then?

I'm afraid I might have missed some crucial announcements, lol

[iron laurel]

https://illuvium.io/news/unified-fuel-automated-drone-run-overworld-tweaks-and-more

[iron laurel]

We will get 5% of revenue distributions.
We will be able to do something with BPs and skin but as far as I know that isn't all sorted yet.

[gritty saddle]

Ah, so in theory this is the fix to end all land holder sufferings?

[iron laurel]

Well...it's a way to potentially make it easier to balance economy by removing land totally out of the question.

Sad for us land holders though who wanted an economy game.

[gritty saddle]

Yeah, but the fuel inflation WAS getting a bit out of hand, admittedly

[iron laurel]

That's because they never used a free market. They brought out a game before land was producing fuel. Which made prices too high so in came the whole 19:1 method and then of course fuel price plummeted.
We never did actually get to see if a free market economy driven game would have worked and sadly we never will.
Anyhow, hopefully we will have skins and BPs to play around with and they will continue to gamify Zero at some point in the future.

[gritty saddle]

I wonder whether it will end up mattering at all how or if we develop land or if it's just going to be a matter of owning some at this point

[iron laurel]

If I remember correctly you will produce fuel and then it will be burned when you reach a certain amount. Then your revenue will depend on how much fuel you burned but don't quote me on that. @radiant sky would know for sure on that. He's the Zero expert.🙂

[gritty saddle]

And I suppose the Illuvidex missions interface is still just running on auto? No actual functioning metagame going on atm?

[iron laurel]

OW is currently down until all this unified fuel stuff is sorted.
Missions are nothing at the moment.
Arena is playable and is being tweaked as people play and make comments and suggestions.
Beyond has all be paid out for last rewards and wave 4 is coming in May.
I think that is all the major news.

[gritty saddle]

Thanks, man. Lot has happened around here it seems. Hope it all works out for the best

[iron laurel]

Yeah, same. They have a couple of new guys hired to help build the MMO lite for OW and they come highly qualified so that is good.
There really has been a lot going on.

[radiant sky]

There are actually not many Info about the fuel burning Feature.
But it will likely be Like they replace the sending fuel to OW Button with a Burn fuel Button.
Where you probably can choose what amount of each fuel you want to burn

AT least thats my guess as a it noob... And i feel it would be the most straight forward approach with lowest amount of dev work possible

[inland shore]

Will we be able to use fuel for drone runs?

[solid cove]

when switching to this system, will the fuel that we currently earn remain, or will the production progress be reset again?

[radiant sky]

You will have to buy it, there won't be a transfer option anymore

[inland shore]

So what’s the point of my fuel

So I have to make a securities transaction just to play the game lol great for taxes

[radiant sky]

According to the townhall with Perry, will 1k storage of each fuel remain in Zero, everything above 1k storage will be transferred to OW Account before old fuel gets swapped to new fuel

[radiant sky]

It honestly Looks Like, yea.
However, i hope that Feature will Return in future in some Way

[inland shore]

This is so wrong. Between this and an incompetent IMX network this project will continue to struggle

I just don’t feel like the project supports the efforts of the community at all

Constantly having to jump through hoops to participate

People spend thousands here and get back very little

I run 5 lands daily and have yet to see a meaningful ROI in gameplay or revenue over a 4 year period

I even throw thousand into beyond and then can’t even distribute rewards on time

Beyond is the only reason this project is still alive

[radiant sky]

More Like 3 years if you bought at landsale.
But ya, i feel you mate... Hold some Land myself since landsale.
Can just hope we get some traction with relaunch of Arena/marketing

[inland shore]

It’s been 4

The project existed before the land sale

[radiant sky]

Ya

Thought you were speaking about Land roi

[inland shore]

Are they actually considering a move away from IMX?

IMX has done them zero favors

Pun intended

[radiant sky]

Yes
A move away from immutableX is just a matter of time.
Can also Land on immutable zkevm in the end but obviously all possibilities get explored with such a change

[inland shore]

I thought so. You can tell that IMX and illuvium are at it with the lack of support and advertisement from the IMX side

[radiant sky]

Smsrtcontracts would also make life easier i guess 🙃

[inland shore]

The band aid needs to be ripped off

[radiant sky]

I guess it's just a matter of when do they consider to put the workload in, a chainswap will bring with it.
Probably not done in just a few clicks 🙂

[dusk siren]

I'm scared for any swaps. The odds of everything getting ruined by some exploit or oopsie are way too high

[dry otter]

can we mint blueprints multiple times?

[tawdry plank]

Yes, we can

[dry otter]

that makes them worth noting 😂

[radiant sky]

Same feeling

[tall crypt]

A few days ago I saw a video on You Tube where the community surveyed said that they would rate RON very positively. Immediately someone close to Illuvium said that this was not possible because RON predominates in Asian communities where people play a lot with their phones. On the other hand, it would be to recognize that the decision to adopt IMX was wrong as well as the decision to include the game in the EPIC GAME platform. Illuvium never recognizes mistakes, it will do anything to maintain pride. To see where we are we should compare ourselves with axie Infinity, with a system very similar to Illuvium. In Axie Infinity the land system works and gives a return of $ 1 per day for every $ 1000 of land. The accessibility of axie Infinity is immediate, you only need to register in Axie, download the games in Mavis, download the Ronin extension and start buying, playing and exchanging coins. Illuvium requires you to register with Epic Games, download the games, register with IMX, activate the passport... it's not a friendly environment. In addition, the game is very heavy in size and resources. It was thought that people would have a fever to play iLLUVIUM to the point of buying a $2000 computer. Axie Infinity supports third-party games, has a capitalization of $550M, has its own RON network of $500M and SLP tokens of $72M. The people of illuvium don't like Axie Infinity, it doesn't have the quality of Illuvium but has managed to keep the game's economy at a breakeven point. Illuvium is going straight to bankruptcy, it's a matter of time.

[viscid bolt]

is there a place to see what the blueprint skins look like? It would be nice if the image on minted blueprints had an image (or collection of images) that showed what they looked like when made into the skins so blueprint minters could know which blueprints to go for. I imagine some are much more appealing (and thus would go for a higher price) than others.

[iron laurel]

When OW was up then we could go to the forge and see what they looked like before making them. The pics didn't do them justice though tbh. Still it gave an idea of what the colours would be. I am sure when OW is back we will be able to see them again.

[sharp jolt]

You know it’s bad when Axie is the good guy

[tall crypt]

Iluvium worst. Axie survivol 4 years, illuvium bankrrupcy in 8 mouths.

[iron laurel]

Ronin has been hacked more than once. Not sure why people trust it.

[inland shore]

SUI would be awesome

[viscid bolt]

When is OW coming back?

[iron laurel]

Don't know. Hopefully we get some news this week.

[solar topaz]

Question: I started a "mint blueprint" activity on a zero point transducer. When the activity was finished I clicked it like everything else, but nothing happened. Where do I find the blueprint?

Or rather... I had blueprints before - what is supposed to be the output of minting in a zero point transducer?

[inland shore]

You’ll find it in your illuvium account under your profile

[solar topaz]

that is somehow not the case

there are a bunch of blueprints from before, but not the new ones

(the ones we got from playing the beta are there, but not those I should have gotten now from the open beta)

[candid urchin]

hi guys, been away from the game for a while, I'm thinking about buying a land plot, what resources/fuel sites should I look for?

[cold owl]

That's not a simple answer dude. You should read up on how land works and learn about it and decide how you want to approach it

Is minting working for anyone right now? Is blue print discovery disabled during this big upgrade?

[candid urchin]

yep thats it, where can I find that info?

[cold owl]

Illuvium.io, youtube, reading through the illuvium news

[candid urchin]

well I found some videos on YT, gonna watch them

[vestal spear]

Go to https://illuvium.io/ and sign in and go to your profile. You will find everything you own there.

[solar topaz]

thanks for the advice. I did that, but with the filter "blueprints" I only find those Atlas, Ti-Ru and Tatopee blueprints, but no Rypter I recently minted.

[vestal spear]

I just tested mine and the filter works, all my blueprints show.

[solar topaz]

does the zero point transducer give any feedback when you mint something?

[vestal spear]

no

When you click the bubble it goes away

[solar topaz]

AH

I think I found it. They are on a linked wallet

[vestal spear]

cool

[radiant sky]

Blueprints always get minted into the wallet your Land is on.

[radiant sky]

Yes it is working.
No it is not disabled

[radiant sky]

I would recommend playing the f2p plot for some time to get a feeling for what would be a better Land than others

[inland shore]

It is the case

[minor flame]

Hi I’m new to ILLUVIUM, I’m interested in buying land. I’m not trying to play the game. I’m believe in the game and like to buy a little bit of assets in there. How can I go about the land and the fuel extraction the easiest way ? Thanks

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-michael-scott-dunder-mifflin-the-office-welcome-aboard-gif-27005393

[radiant sky]

Not sure i totally understand your question 🙂
You have to play Zero in order to be eligible for a share of the 5% of the toal Revenue that gets distributed to the Landholders.
The System is just about to change, so after the update is on mainnet, you have to "burn" fuel, how much of that 5% you get is depending on how big your share of fuel burnt is compared to total fuel burned from all landholders

[minor flame]

Thanks for the reply. So I haven’t gamed since Super Nintendo days lol so I’m kinda lost when researching ILLUVIUM. I was ILV holder at one point but it seems if I’m correct the real “token” are the fuel in the game. Believing this game in 5 yrs are so can be MASSIVE, I’d like buy some plots of land, since you can extract fuel and sell them in the illuvidex. I’m not an active gamer and curious how to go about this all. I heard the CEO in an interview saying you can just buy plots and of and do nothing and it can generate revenue. Just trying to see if I’m seeing things correctly and how to go about it before purchasing anything. Thank you!

[radiant sky]

Yea, it is a lot to learn about Illuvium 😄

The fuel system is just about to get an overhaul, during this time Overworld and the Fuel exchange get paused and all fuel freezed.
You can read all the details in this announcement and the linked blog posts.
#📣〕announcements message

Before that change, you had to place a sell order for x amount of fuel for y price on the Fuel exchange and someone could buy it from you.
This gets changed now, you have to burn fuel to earn your share of the 5% of the total revenue and Illuvium itself is selling the new Fuel to a fixed price.

You can also go the science path in Zero, to find blueprints (Kind of the recipe for a specific skin), you can then mint and sell on the Illuvidex, or use the blueprints for crafting the skin and sell the skin on the illuvidex or use it yourself.

---

The economy system eli5 in Illuvium is basically.

• 95% of the total revenue gets distributed to token stakers.
• 5% of the total revenue gets distributed to fuel burners in Zero
• Illuvium itself staked a considerable amount of tokens, to pay development of the games with their share of the total revenue
• Theres roughly 9.5million tokens in total.
• There are a total amount of 100K Land, whereas 20K land got minted during the first landsale.

[minor flame]

When you say burn fuel, you mean I would have to play the game and use the fuel? Is it possible to be a passive investor in the land without playing the game?

Like I bought some illuvials with the intent just to holdl it

[radiant sky]

Yes, you will need to play the game.
Since the change is about to get implemented, i can just speculate that there will be a button "burn fuel" where you can burn the amount you like which you farmed before with active gameplay.
There might be or already are, platforms where people could be able to "rent" your land for a share of the profits.

Zero itself is a very basic Citybuilder game.
The amount of time you need to spend is massive in the early game, low in the midgame and in the Lategame you have to spend like 3mins a day for farming your fuel or do science stuff for each landplot you own.

[radiant sky]

That's a legit way i guess to speculate about the future of Illuvium.
There's a lot to know about Illuvials aswell, since there will be a gameplay focus arround Stats, which are individual for each Illuvial.
This means, one Atlas can have way more value than another Atlas just because one has way better stats than the other one.
There will be a new Indicator implemented called TPI in the upcoming update, which essentially says how good the stats are on your illuvial in a number between 1-100 to make it simpler to estimate the value for casual people.

What also is important to consider when buying Illuvials to speculate in the future is, that during a Set all Illuvials can be minted unlimited. (No hard cap)
At some point in time, set1 will be over and set2 gets introduced which means that you will never be able to mint set 1 illuvials again.

[minor flame]

Oh okay I see. Yah you guys are def on to something special with ILLUVIUM and the future of gaming. Yah I saw when I purchased some illuvials it says set 1 production # 27. So I guess maybe gathering some illuvials on the illuvidex may be better and purchasing some ILV for long term hodling. Would you agree with this strategy or any suggestion to long term hodling methods? Thanks for alls these replies too it’s been very helpful. In the past I bought a good amount of promotional fuel in the illuvidex and retrieved it and can’t do anything with it guess. I thought could sell it later on but doesn’t seem like it

[radiant sky]

yea, i feel the same way... love the IP, fingers crossed many others will aswell 🙂
yea, i guess those with low mint numbers could inherit a special value for collectors aswell in future.

Can't give you financial advice 😄 but in my opinion...

Every route has it's own advantages/disadvantages i guess.
Hard to predict which one would be the best.
I feel if you don't want to play or interact with the ecosystem and just get a share of the revenue the buying and staking the token would be the most straightforward way, its more Liquid than land if you want to sell it and doesn't require additional time to get your share, you just have to stake it.
Land is hard to predict, your share of the 5% for Zero is depending on multiple factors for example total revenue made, strategic skill of your fuel production, number of landplots that are actively played, how many and when will more land get minted in future, what are future features of Zero etc. Land value could potentially increase to more than just the calculated number of $ you can earn with it.

Then there's also Illuvium:Beyond, which is kinda like a collector "game" with special rewards.
You have kinda like a sticker album where you can put in your Illuvitars. Depending on what collections you have you get mostly cosmetic rewards, but there are also leaderboards with ILV rewards... One leaderboard pays out weekly rewards and one leaderboard is just for the wave that is currently selling.
Very simple said, it's basically buy a packs, hope you are lucky and get good Illuvitars you don't own yet or can sell for good money on the illuvidex and put the stickers in your album. Your album power then ranks you somewhere in the leaderboard.

Oh yea, the fuel you can't sell.
Fuel is basically the currency in the gaming ecosystem, you should be able to buy all digital products Illuvium sells with fuel.

[minor flame]

Okay cool man appreciate all the feedback. I’m going to let the information you provided rest in my head and see what I’ll do lol.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[minor flame]

I can use the fuel in the illuvidex?

Sorry last question haha

[radiant sky]

you can always ask more questions if you have more, many helpfull community members arround 24/7

[radiant sky]

no. The illuvidex is the marketplace where people buy from other people.
With fuel you can buy things Illuvium is selling, like the Disks in beyond (lootbox for Illuvitars), or do Automated drone Runs (Lootbox for Illuvials), emote disks (Lootbox for emotes), go on a run to catch illuvials and other stuff.

you could also replace "lootbox" with card-pack i guess 🙂

not sure you know the term lootbox 😄

[minor flame]

I don’t know the term haha. Okay great got it! Might go get some disks then 👍 Thanks again 🙂

[radiant sky]

you are welcome.
And yea, take your time and ask questions and do your research, there's really many things you have to consider for each subsystem in Illuvium.
You also often find info in pinned messages in the different channels for those or can ask questions that often get answered from "experts" in those systems, like in here for Zero stuff, #🎮〕illuvium-beyond for Illuvium beyond, #🎮〕illuvium-overworld for Illuvials etc.
Or #💬〕general is always a legitimate place to ask questions in general.

[iron laurel]

Wen make skins again?

[prisma trout]

@radiant sky
When you say burn fuel, what do you mean? To sell it? I barely produce enough to be able to update everything on my T1 plot. I haven't been able to sell any if that is what burning fuel means. I only have Zero. I don't have a PC to play OW or the other games.

[hearty cradle]

refund proposal is up

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1353554628830302210

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-vbucks-refund-vbucks-refund-gif-27267463

[prisma trout]

@hearty cradle
Thanks. Looks like I won't get anything...again. I was unable to produce enough to sell & bought a bit of fuel before I found out it couldn't be used in Zero. Thanks for posting that it was up.

[hearty cradle]

you still have unused fuel that you purchased or transfered out from iz?

[prisma trout]

@hearty cradle
I have unused fuel. I didn't transfer any out as I don't have a PC to play OW

[hearty cradle]

how much fuel do u have

[prisma trout]

Not much, maybe 400 Solon and about the same Crypton I believe. I haven't checked in a while

@hearty cradle
I've mainly used it to update storage & such on my T1 plot. It's torture having a T1...lol

@hearty cradle
I've forgotten how to see how much fuel I have🙄

[hearty cradle]

open the game?

[prisma trout]

@hearty cradle
Ok

I looked where my assets are, but the fuel I bought isn't showing & I cannot remember where to find it.

It's no biggie. I'll try to figure it out. In Zero I have less than 100 each. I keep using it to update storage & such. Have a good night.

[sage bough]

I did a quick check and if all the remaining 80K land were minted today at current floor prices, that would raise around $11 million. The actual number would probably be lower given market saturation. Also updated some floor prices today vs. the land sale prices, in USD. Every tier has dropped over 90% in value. Tier 4 looking like it might be the first to reach a 99% loss.

T1 (90.19%)
T2 (93.26%)
T3 (93.84%)
T4 (96.70%)

[gentle grove]

Damn that's was a bad investment

[sage bough]

Pretty sure a lot of folks used sILV which likely reduced the impact. But some used ETH.

[gentle grove]

True but either way people lost their ass on lands worst investment in the game

[open stratus]

This is painful

[hazy crest]

A bad investment compared to what?

Worst investment (at this point in time , that could change.) or a great opportunity?

[tardy falcon]

Reflective of uncertainty on how to actually integrate zero into the ecosystem, or how to develop it as a game.

Treating it solely as a revenue generator primarily fkd it up as it was never seriously developed as a game past blueprints and farm fuel.

When it was understood that it needed decoupling from the ecosystem it lost majority of utility because it’s not a developed game of its own yet.

So, opportunity? Maybe, if they eventually develop it and put thought into how it can be part of the gaming ecosystem and not some irrelevant side piece.

[stable minnow]

It's a shame as I actually enjoy the zero game loop generally. Building up and min maxxing was fun, now only having to check in on blueprints is also pretty nice. It could do more, but I think in general it's decent.

Economy side of it has obviously under delivered - I have a bunch of fuel sitting on my OW account / on my lands, but I think it has a great baseline

[heady marten]

Can we sell fuel again yet??

[heady marten]

Can we even sell blueprints yet?

How to check which are good?

[heady marten]

Wow they really killed it. Team sold at a price with telling a story of selling fuel and changes it

So for now we can't do anything with the land now?

[midnight yew]

Hello. I have blueprints in illuvium zero but I can’t see them in illuvidex

[timber sapphire]

Did you mint them through the zero point transducer?

[midnight yew]

Some of them yes

[timber sapphire]

Hmm weird then I don't know, probably contact support #❓❓〕support

[midnight yew]

Thanks

[copper inlet]

if your land is on secondary wallet, its minted there, swap the wiev on the illuvides for secondary wallet:

[twin sequoia]

@copper inlet do we expect patch this week or is it still unknown?

[copper inlet]

nothing known to me yet