🎮〕illuvium-zero

[radiant sky]

I hope they do .... With the Next wave of games

[weary bluff]

such games have no success btw, pve/pvp shooters.

stepping up to fortnite or even call of duty is near impossible tbh, theres nothing that they can provide to beat fortnite.

so their option is some sort of pve game

[teal mural]

OW is big and if we already have a lot of players then ppl would play just for fun when they are bored and to talk shit to each other as a min game. If they made it a main game then it would take more work and need something unique

[grave island]

Yea there is noway Arena will be big, aint happening, its very niche. It maybe a thing if they prostitute the rewards so much but it wont last smilar to Axie. If somethings goes big, ill bet it would be overworld. Its very simple, catch collect and explore it scratches the itches of many people.

[teal mural]

Multiplayer dungeon divers would be cool to

[weary bluff]

honestly it depends on the gamemodes they make. i can totally see it super popular with kids

if they play their cards right, parents could be shillin the game for us . 😄

but as ive said before.. to know what users like requires you to be user, devs dont rly hav e time to play games

so i doubt theyll nail it

for example i can already tell you that if ilv focuses on the experience in party, a funny lobby to gather with your friends, emotes, etc

if they make insanely cool social part for ow

itll increase the chances of success and people enjoying the game by 1000x

[cerulean steppe]

Interesting that you mention this, because OtherSide is going that route. More a social experience, taking care of Illuvials in our case etc. and then hard core gaming ... We can not compete with Epic etc.

[weary bluff]

i dont like otherside tbh, i think they had too much resources and didnt do much. not that ilv is doin great , but yeah, ive seen that social experience and while it could be cool , its too expensive and exclusive, id like to chill with my homies, not the richest 200 mfs in nft space

[cerulean steppe]

You don't have to like the OtherSide, especially since not much is known.

But being a browser based social experience with your own unique NFT avatar is something new. The exclusivity is just for now, while it is being developed, will be open to all NFT projects in the future.

I am not saying Illuvium needs to do that, we don't have the resources, but social experiences around Illuvials should be possible.

e.g. instead of building a Zero city with just buildings that produce fuel, we could have had a mobile game that uses the produced fuel/resources to level up Illuvials, you unlock new animations with certain levels/stats and do so in a small team based setting e.g. with friends helping you out on your land plot.

We would have Illuvial 3D animations at the center stage, instead of some abstract fuel, it would be social and help to invite mainstream friends into our metaverse.

[paper lance]

ilz is dead,raised funds to create new project,abandoning zero.suits its name actually.zero.

[cerulean steppe]

Lol. On the other hand: If we get the 5% for doing no work and can get additional rewards, I would not mind at all.

Producing fuel to sell is not too much fun with an upper rail anyway and I have developed the plots already too often just to get wiped again, that I am not too eager to rebuild all over again.

Give us some useful gameplay that also works for F2P and call it good.

[weary bluff]

theres more to zero than fuel and its not just the 5%. but even if there wasnt, we paid some crazy $ to have free fuel from our lands to play ow, they cannot give you fuel, cuz the dao has to pay for it, even if they do, u saw what they give.

15$ for 2 years waiting, which is probably not enough for 3 runs and the dao is still crying daily about it. they want to take more money from us with this tactic. thats why they dont care when and how they release it, nobody is producing fuel and we all have to pay for it. of course i will not play if i cannot make fuel, im not stupid to feed them even more money.

if u r not able to play or make use of the land for the airdrop. there will be no point to play ilv at all, cuz the airdrop as u can imagine will be few bucks per player and when u consider how much u gotta spend to play, it will not even cover your cost.

im curious where are the t3-t4 holders? how come yall are not flipping out, we are literally being lied to and used after investing 72m.

theyre doing make it or break it moment, cuz of the arena fail, but theyre also making sure that even if they make it or break it, land holders will lose in both scenarios, which is unacceptable, we must be their FIRST priority, there is no other asset in ilv games.

arena - leaderboard with money (literally zero investments for this and somehow it makes money)
beyond - leaderboard with money (people spent money for this, so its acceptable to give them money)
zero - 72m invested, not even functioning (15$ reward once)

it was extremely easy to make the price of land 2-5-10x with like 1-2 steps for the airdrop if zero was finished, but now the only people making money will be airdrop hunters with 25 phones each, chilling afk in zero, which will leave post airdrop happy with full pockets, unlike ilv investors.

theyll use the numbers to raise more money from investors and continue like nothing happened. they dont care about the games, they care about money.

[wintry cedar]

Sad but true 😞

[weary bluff]

whats sad is that council enables them to do that.

effectively i believe land owners will not get anything from ilv this bull and we are stuck here for 4 more years, because of this strategy.

[cerulean steppe]

I agree with your point about airdrop farming to prop the numbers, although there are good arguments also e.g. getting attention and testers. But land holders don‘t seem to have a game ready to participate in the airdrop. I think a lot of this is Kieran’s fault, he is a good salesman making all sorts of promises, but not much strategic skills. That leaves us with this mess of unknown economy, Zero no visible progress at all, F2P on mobile completely missed, no plans for mainstream adoption etc.

[hearty cradle]

bruh

im down bad

but at least mavia plot got staking

[weary bluff]

if yall should know one thing about web3 is not to buy lands. im yet to see a successful land investment in any game in last few years

[hearty cradle]

im a donkey

[weary bluff]

i think u just have too much money for ur own good : D

which is still nice : D

but if u want to remove some of that pressure, i can send u my wallet 😂

[hearty cradle]

sure i got some hidden jpegs id like to get rid

[weary bluff]

😂😂😂 i got some of those too

mainly on polygon

[hearty cradle]

oh god no

[hearty cradle]

jeff sold his 3x3 for 21e

[weary bluff]

and he paid how much ? 45?

he still sold at good price tbh, as soon as the news hit everyone, cuz pretty sure that less than 5% of land holders know whats coming

it might go very bad.

[lusty crag]

Do you know who he sold it to and which Tiers have been involved in his Megacitie?

I'm also considering selling off mine since land is basically useless, as we all know by now. Every single Megacitie I own has a Tier 4 involved.

[vivid cipher]

It’s stakers choice. The stakers decide what they want to claim their rewards as. So if the tokenomics designers actually wanted to avoid paying ILV then they could have actually not paid out staking rewards or in game yield in ILV. But they designed it in such a way as to offer an alternative to ILV but no one is required to use it. I’d say that sILV2 exists so stakers can avoid receiving their rewards as locked ILV is more accurate than what you are suggesting.

But do you truly have no idea how ILV staking works? I can ping you some links to messages in #🥩〕staking that covers the basics.

[radiant sky]

If ibremember right 2t4 1t3 and some other stuff

[lusty crag]

As 2x T4 does not bring you as much since it doesn't double the efficiency in the MC

It's so cringe hearing nothing in detail from the team regarding Illuvium Zero besides telling us that we should be grateful and that f2p "will" bring a million players in - LOL.

Instead of delivering on their promises to Illuvium Zero holders over the years, they are delivering it with the launch of Open Beta!

[fierce fern]

A lot of complaining about the f2p Plots but this are not actually facts?!

You guys are just in a Bad mood or do you guys are sure about that f2p will earn...i dont get it

As i think back to the Land sale it was very promising.

[radiant sky]

Landmark Bonus does stack

[spare spire]

Hello everyone 👋 I've been out of discord/illuvium news for a couple of months. Would anyone be so kind as to share a brief summary of where we stand on land revenue going live within Illuvium zero?

[broken roost]

Since some people keep asking what would we like to see as a change here are some personal ideas.

Proposals of ways in which paid landowners can benefit from the f2p people

Transparency, being that the main reason many of us got into Illuvium. I'd like to know what the idea of IZ is for now and the near future since plans seem to be constantly changing.

Develoment of new features that give more utility to land other than mining fuel, like being able to level up or care for illuvials in some way would be nice. Seems like we got stuck with the same game for 2 years while OW and arena kept getting better and better.

I believe investing more into zero is the best way to not only compensate for a 2 year delay but also add to the illuviums ecosystem beauty and value.

[fierce fern]

At the moment some things are spooky and the Infos what we got are a little bit less latly.

Everything considered at the moment some things defenitly need to be more clear

[hearty cradle]

his chat is still here. he just want out.

[hearty cradle]

he paid 60e

#🛒〕land-dex message

[lusty crag]

And sold it for 30 eth, right?

[hearty cradle]

21e

bundled on opensea

[lusty crag]

Considering that one or two of the t4 in this mega city alone had this value of the megacities he sold, what a steal.
But on the other hand, considering what the team has made out of Illuvium Zero in the last two years, it doesn't surprise me.

Especially when you consider back then, ETH was around 1,5k $ LOL.

It's such a shame seeing it go down the drain like that.
No explicit communication and no clear roadmap for Illuvium Zero. We only know that if Kieran gets a new idea, everything will be overthrown and adapted according to his idea.
Well, how well did that go? The last years have shown many examples, one of which is excellent time management regarding launch.

[fierce fern]

Yes but in the other hand when you think about it he almost broke even with the ETH price now

If he swapped that amount of ETH at this time to Sol he ist Bake in the Green

Yes sure i think a lot of the angre comes from the market being up.

So if you have waited in iz you have at the moment a bad Investment.

Maybe with the Launch things will switch around

[hearty cradle]

jeff was an OG, and he was a council

i know a few OGs who left angry

[lusty crag]

Can you give more context then these few words?

[slim wigeon]

O bought a single t1 for 2.5 eth

[lusty crag]

Same for my last land, which I needed for my 3x3 city

[slim wigeon]

Only completed a 2x2 with t4

Congrats bro 3x3 is suuuper rare

[lusty crag]

But at least I know now what the promises Illuvium made to its landholders back then are worth.

[gentle grove]

I knew there was no way in hell they were going to have zero ready by q2 all they done is push back and will continue to do it because they know zero won't make them money because all they have to do is make the fuel themselves so they won't give a crap ever about zero

[cerulean steppe]

This makes me doubt Kieran‘s new promises and why I want to see their detailed plans for F2P and Zero NOW.

[slim wigeon]

I think he ment that megacities will be valuable and not that we overpaid for nothing

[tardy falcon]

Make an iip that landowners produce 100% of fuel for the Illuvium ecosystem and the DAO produces nothing... instant add value and player base ready to play on launch. 80% of revenue of sales go back to Dao/Stakers, 20% for landowners. Dao doesn't produce any fuel, only gets their 80% cut from Landowner's sales. F2P can still get their airdrop Love.

[gentle grove]

Don't think that would ever pass and if it did I bet the developers step in and stop it

[tardy falcon]

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try... the message lately is: Bring on the proposals!!!

[wintry frigate]

I'm trying to figure out if I sold my land and forgot or if someone else put it on the market? Does inactivity force it to sell after a certain time?

[little moon]

nope....

if you think someone must have it up for sale, then your account is compromised

it's only you who can put an asset to sale

[lusty crag]

I love this idea!

[lusty crag]

Let‘s come up with an IIP!

That will show us quite quickly how toothless or not the DAO of Illuvium truly is.

[vivid cipher]

They never explain much. How can we read their minds? Usually they say things like “Can’t you see it? You’ve been here so long and still can’t see what they are doing?”

[iron laurel]

Yeah, for my megacity I have a 2.1 ETH T1 as well. Just can't take the chance of losing it when building a city.😔

ETA I didn't pay ETH though. I used sILV2.

[lusty crag]

Fair enough, but that speaks for itself in this case.

[narrow oasis]

The people who decide, obviously not the DAO, do not listen or care about improving Zero. It's been at the bottom of their priority over the past 2 years.

According to what we know, Zero is likely to launch...
Sometime in the future (still waiting for an official announcement).
After launching the other finished and polished games (Arena and OW).
After making a big marketing push; “the BIGGEST airdrop in crypto gaming”.
Before Zero launches, we might even see the creation of a new game, a fifth game! (This however has been announced on the official roadmap)

These people don't like or intend to cultivate Zero — as a game.

[iron laurel]

Zero came a long way from where it was when it was first released.

[vivid cipher]

I don’t remember Jeff saying this but anyway…

[narrow oasis]

Did it though? For a two year time frame?

It's irrelevant to my point. Zero is far down their priority list. They don't care much about it and it's clear. I hope I stand corrected in a year time. After 3 years.

I think competing with Mavia is high on that list. Which I find sad.

Instead of focusing on making Zero a good game.

[lusty crag]

Hopefully, they will keep their promise this time, and it won’t take another 12 months from now to launch it.
But honestly, I doubt it regarding what we have seen so far.

[lusty crag]

Yeah, Kieran’s brilliant idea after playing a random city builder, which came out not too long ago, was to throw all the original Illuvium Zero plans over the hood.
This is insanity regarding the promise he and the team have made longer ago than Mavia is old that Illuvium Zero will be launched with Open Beta (the latest)!

[forest jetty]

Annoying part is there's actually so much that can be done, added or worked on to make zero a fun/interactive game with value or earnings and nothing is being explored

[fallow lily]

I think the answer to this is easy, but I want to be sure.

Are city wipes not happening, or will be see our cities wipes at "launch".

Just trying to confirm

[little moon]

everything will be wiped except the biodata/facts you researched for BPs

they will be carried over so that you will have an edge over others

in researching higher tier illuvials

when OB is launched (don't know when)

[weary bluff]

if i was part of the ilv team i would be hiding from shame.

72m worth of scam is what we r experiencing. i cannot believe that zero hasnt made any progress since it first opened

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[tardy falcon]

Alright... made an ideas post about changing the fuel system for Illuvium. Go check it out and comment/like pleez

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1226688381132476536

[celest wagon]

Unfortunately it will never happen😢

[tardy falcon]

If there’s enough support it’s worth getting voices heard

[little moon]

I agree with LOL👆🏼

it's never gonna happen

[pallid lintel]

I like the idea too, but it would allow the economy to be manipulated by merchants

[iron laurel]

Question about blueprints and how it will all work. I loaned out land. He got the BPs for me. I moved the land back to my main wallet. Will they count as being completed since the BPs were found? Do I need to build them back up or do they just not count and will need to start fresh at wipe?

Anyone know?

[tardy falcon]

I hear that. There would be a significant shift in the balance of power. I agree the risk is there for such manipulation. However, currently the balance of power is swung the other way... where landholders are castrated and unnecessary. Certainly there can be a better balance that would make landholders integral to the game while also establishing a fuel system that is not exploitable.

The idea aims to 1) increase the revenue share to landholders and 2) take production out of the DAO's hands.
Another way is to simply set aside 80% of landowner's fuel production into a vault where that is available to be bought on the market anytime at top rail price.

This would still give landowners significant power... but assures fuel is available for market orders.

[weary bluff]

tbh i dont even understand why the dao gets % at all, they didnt pay for land. the tokenomics r weird and i dont rly wanna understand them, cuz ill only get angry : D

[sweet vortex]

Land is essentially 5% ownership. I do agree it was overhyped and oversold but since land is only 5%, the $72million invested on land sale would've put the speculative value of the whole illuvium ecosystem at $1.4 billion. The current ilv market cap is only $470million. So i think current land prices are pretty appropriate tbh. A total value of ~23million. Even still I think land holders could and probably will receive some kind of bonuses as compensation.

I'm still a proponent of letting land holders use their fuel directly in overworld. The dao could still produce a 95% match for whatever is used directly from zero into overworld. The only thing the dao would miss out on is the percentage they take of fuel sale directly used. And tbh they're only losing a fraction of a % on that and that fraction of a % would make a lot of land holders happier.

[ocean haven]

becouse they got the voting power, conflict of interest DAO is fully broken

the funny thing is we dont need a token

if it wasent for the DAO this would have been fixed long time ago

it was very obusly for a LONG time land wasent going to workout this way, but the greed of the DAO restricted it from being fixed

[hearty cradle]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1226758651285340245

[grand sigil]

Whats the catch woth ilv zero fuel crate airdrop?

Been a while since i checked here lol

[terse rain]

just a token gesture to try to alleviate the broken promises of Zero launch and progress basically. but general consensus is it's too little when the original 4-6 week promise of land utility has turned into 2 years and now instead of Zero launching before open beta, it looks like it is delayed to after with focus changing to supporting F2P players instead of long term land holders

[grand sigil]

@terse rain but i didnt get any aidrop...

[timber sapphire]

Did you have land before the airdrop?

If so check your imx wallet

[grand sigil]

@timber sapphire i think over a year ago. A year and half or so. I even have all mints for blueprints lol

[timber sapphire]

And you are sure you don't have one in your imx wallet?

The airdrop I mean

[grand sigil]

@timber sapphire i didnt checked the actual wallet i use. But weren't we suppose to get an email or something?

[timber sapphire]

No

All emails are scam

[lethal wyvern]

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Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

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[timber sapphire]

There was an announcement at the time

[grand sigil]

@timber sapphire i must've missed it... so hard with so many projects lol

[timber sapphire]

But yeah everybody shoudve gotten one. Even if you bought 1 day before the airdrop

[grand sigil]

@timber sapphire ill check wallet when i get home.

[paper lance]

most useless land in the history of nfts

[cerulean steppe]

Please join us here: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1226758651285340245

[hazy jewel]

Been out for a while, wen WIPE ?

[hearty cradle]

lol
my mavia plots are down bad too

[grand sigil]

@cerulean steppe lmao... i accessed the link and 1st thing i read was "scruebadubadoo | illuvidata" 🤣🤣🤣. I need a strong coffee lmao

[paper lance]

i both minted ilv land and mavia land. hold both of them until now. at least mavia land pumped initially 5x. and even if you did not sell during that, having it soft staked will reward you with mavia airdrops. ilz land literally did zero lol.

i also know of some lands that still has no use until now. but then again, those lands pumped for like 10x and stayed there for so long, until it drops back to mint price with no volume during the bear market.

[iron veldt]

That is the reason it is called zero 🤣

im myself also holding land - it’s just very sad

[hearty cradle]

ah yea
big time space did well too

[long tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-herro-wru-scooby-doo-gif-9236603839823020764

[astral tapir]

own land ..if i play Illuvium zero will that make me eligible for airdrop?

[atomic cove]

I have a question:
If I own crypton/hyperion/solon on my landplots do I need to sell them and then buy them back to use them in the OW?

[timber sapphire]

#📣〕announcements

[timber sapphire]

Yes

[viral star]

IIP to cancel all future land and increase the 5% to 15%.

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[blazing ferry]

They have talked about making this a one-step process, but I don't believe there's been any confirmation of when it will come. May even be in OB for all we know?

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[blazing ferry]

Seems it definitely won't be on OB based on that link.

[tall night]

Does Illuvium will wipe the progression before the official launch of the game?

[atomic cove]

Wow that's lame. We're really lagging behind on the blockchain department.

[blazing ferry]

yep

[fallow lily]

So as a land holder, as well as having ILV staked, Can someone catch me up on the drama regarding IZ land holders not getting what was promised. here is my current understanding

• IZ full release has been delayed, meaning we don't get rewarded for investment (at least not right away)
• There is finally a F2P model, which have the potential to get air drops as part of PB4. This is a point of contention as it is thought that land owners should be rewarded for participation before F2P players, do I understand this correctly?
• The DAO is the true beneficiary of the RevDis, where the IZ land holders get 5% RevDis, is that correct?

I just want to better understand the points of contention so I can form my own opinion here.

So far, it seems to me that the team wants to get more people playing the game, which is why they are doing the airdrops (for which I understand, as that brings more potential earnings to us all).

Please help me understand the differing arguments if I don't have it clear above

[gritty wave]

to be fair, it was truth in advertising: they did call it zero 😉

[blazing ferry]

IZ P2E for land owners may be delayed up to two months after open beta launch, but 5% of revenue will still be distributed to land owners at some later point. It will be equally distributed based on land tier instead of based on gameplay.

F2P was pretty much always part of the plan, with a bit of hesitation due to ensuring it would actually be attractive to players and bring people into the ecosystem

The 5% of digital revenue that land owners get isn't really part of revdis, it's a bit different. Revdis benefits all ILV stakers.

Hope that helps a bit

[fallow lily]

It does, thanks!

[gritty wave]

land owners who've been here for a while are understandably upset, but that being said I think land is a good value here and by third quarter all integrated and working properly should see a pop, an ILV airdrop and rev. dis. (though watch out for the last of silv2 working its way through the system, meaning lower rev. dis.) and they have said no more land sales for the foreseeable future so I think land should go up from these prices and be more fun also.

[blazing ferry]

#1226758651285340245 message check here and down a bit too

[fallow lily]

Thank you both for sharing

[junior hollow]

Despite all the constant complaining and whining, mostly from the same people, I don't see anyone getting rid of their lands. I mean if I don't like the direction where the project is heading i would move on. The hypocrisy is too much for me.

[cerulean steppe]

I just thought about it, but I will wait for their decision and I might then sell during the airdrop.

[gritty wave]

I actually just bought land as I think it's good value..and though pedantic, I enjoy playing it lol
And yes, it's easier to complain than to complement alas and seen as intelligent by our society, same as it is easier to destruct vs construct 😉

[cerulean steppe]

I don't see how they will ever be able to make money.

They have no plans for mainstream adoption and instead rely on airdrops for web3 users to get "players".

But this won't work forever and then what ? Mainstream gamers that pay for paid runs in the OW ? Not gonna happen.

Someone buying Illuvials? The community has been milked by land and Illuvitar sales and no other web3 gaming community will buy our Illuvials.

Maybe a new mobile game will bring the solution, but there are millions of F2P games that try to get attention.

We need runway for many more years in order to maybe create a game that is a hit with mainstream.

If we would convert the money set aside for airdrops into an extended runway and developed some real fun mini games with the awesome Illuvial IP, we might have a chance.

But not, if we waste it on airdrops to farmers and grinders.

[narrow oasis]

It's sad to read that you think mostly of it as complaining. When really it's obvious why people give feedback and still don't want to sell their land. They care about the project and they're trying to nudge it in the direction they think is the best. Not everyone has the same opinion. No need to discredit their comments.

[fallow lily]

Same, I just purchased a Tier 2 in preparation for whats to come. This game is one of a very few that is actually a game, and fun to play--and only getting better

[gritty wave]

well we will see what the smart money decision is by later this year 😉
And T2's are the sweet spot I think so good job

[fallow lily]

True indeed, and yes, I have two tier 1's that I decided to sell because I rather have tier 2+

if those sell, I will buy another tier 2

[cerulean steppe]

I also like Zero, but I don‘t like the business plan for Illuvium.

[fallow lily]

I am curious as to what parts you dislike. I keep hearing positive things about the business model. I am also hearing frustration from the IZ community here, which is understandable for sure

Is it the IZ part that is disappointing?

I am in the camp of those that feel the fuel should come from IZ only

I am still getting up to speed on everything though in this regard

[cerulean steppe]

This is my take #🎮〕illuvium-zero message, where do you hear positive things?

[cerulean steppe]

I think farming the airdrop will be the best value proposition for land for a long time to come. That's why I am not selling now. But after the airdrop is over ...

[fallow lily]

Very fair, but here is my thoughts from someone who is a HUGE gamer, maybe in some ways more than an investor 😄

1. The collection aspect of the game, where you own and can sell your assets should be a huge draw. There is nothing like having something of value for your time spent playing a game. Once regular people get over the cryptobro nature of this market, that should be a huge draw. The idea of any game is to get people in the door and let the game do the rest. though scary, this initial beta test with airdrops is good hail mary to get people in the door and let the game do the rest

2. From a gameplay perspective, this game has legs. From a collection perspective, this game rivals any pokemon-like game out there imo.

3. The tokenomics are honestly some of the best in the space imo. I check all kinds of games, because I want block chain games to succeed and cater to actual gamers as much as they do to investors.

You say not many web3 communities will buy our illuvials. I actually disagree, and I actually believe that if the gameplay nails it, who cares about other web3 communities, when actual gamers are interested (no offense to web3 communities -- they are gamers too tbf)

From everything I am seeing however, all efforts from the team is in this direction. The results are all that are left to realize. I think its a good plan and I hope it pays off (because I am an investor, but I really like this game).

It will need marketing though, and some really good marketing focusing on the gameplay aspects and what value can be added to the gamer... not the investor

the investors are already here imo

I say, focus on marketing the game--as a game, and let the blockchain aspect of it be the second layer of the message. However, I think this is exactly what they may be doing

Maybe I have rose colored glasses on though, but we will see in a couple of weeks 🙂

[hearty cradle]

the marketing = play our games, get token

[fallow lily]

Hopefully it will be more play our game because xyz, oh and you can earn token 🙂

[cerulean steppe]

I will still be around to see if it works. And I like it to work out for us. I just have huge doubts.

[fallow lily]

I watched the latest interviews with Kieran, etc... it seems this is the plan, as they are going to plug in all aspects of the game, and we will have a more complete experience

[fallow lily]

100% understandable for sure

[golden spoke]

It's the sunk-cost fallacy at play. With that said, I think the project will be a success. There is nothing in the space IP wise that is even close.

[cerulean steppe]

I agree, the IP is great, but web3 Degens only care as long as they can make money with it. And they sell the moment they see a new meme coin. The market for NFT art is extremely thin and for web3 gaming almost any pixelated art is enough. Mainstream would be different, but how do we get mainstream? We are neither web3 gambling nor AAA fun game. We are in the middle and hard to describe. Neither fish nor meat.

[fallow lily]

there is still plenty of hope for this "nor AAA fun game"

I promise the foundation is absolutely there for a banging AAA title

[cerulean steppe]

Yes

[fallow lily]

Just need a bit more meat in overworld

add more mechanics and things to do, and bingo

the replayability factor is basically already there with the collection aspect

[cerulean steppe]

And a social hub.

[fallow lily]

that will matter more than most think

I have a group of friends that want almost nothing to do with blockchain gaming, but I showed them this game and they were intrigued

In fact, they love Palworld, pokemon, etc...

They were intrigued by this one. One specifically said, if this gets on mobile, its a day one for him

he is most interested in overworld

[cerulean steppe]

This is good news, but what do they say when you mention paid runs?

[fallow lily]

So I havent got that far yet, but the fact that not all runs will need to be paid may bode well

I will say, as long as there is a slight chance to get many illuvials on tier 0 runs, that might go a long way

[cerulean steppe]

Maybe ask them about this part of the business model.

[fallow lily]

Just make the higher tiers provide a MUCH higher chance of finding, etc...

[fallow lily]

Its definitely the plan, in fact I am just waiting to play PB4/open beta to see for myself first

Get a good feel for how it will all be in the end, so that I can properly discuss what it will actually be, etc.. They might get invited to PB4 themselves though 😄

[misty nest]

Got asked today it the comments if the Zero-FTP part was going to be worthwhile.

[vivid cipher]

What’s their while worth?

Answers and results will vary.

[misty nest]

lol, true that. Told them that we don’t really know yet, rely look nice though. 😅

[rapid forum]

Can anyone tell me why I can't play Zero on my mobile? I have a Samsung Galaxy s22 Ultra

[vivid cipher]

Do you own a land nft?

[weary bluff]

so far the answer has always been no or hell no

we tryin to change that

[vivid cipher]

FTP stands for free to play. Are you sure that’s what you want?

[weary bluff]

well, technically if we dont find a way for f2p to be somewhat profitable all of this work on f2p was pointless, wasnt it

surely we didnt do it just for the airdrop

but ive expressed my concerns about balancing f2p plot vs t1, cuz t1 is stripped out of everything already

it has to be like 20-30 times less earning in order to keep t1 price

[vivid cipher]

I guess we’ll see

[weary bluff]

20 times is the minimum i believe, cuz t1 is 600$. land value has to be preserved.

[rain axle]

hello

[vivid cipher]

Hello. Did you have any questions?

[mild copper]

hello, why everyone is talking like IZ is not the only way to get fuel?
i thought IZ is the only way to get fuel and by selling it to use in OW. please enlighten me if im wrong. 🙂
Im not owning a land, but Im feeling to buy 1

[radiant sky]

IZ produces 5% of the total supply, the DAO creates 95% of the total supply

[mild copper]

total supply for fuel? or you mean revdis? Sorry, it's too brainy for me to catch up.

[broken roost]

IZ prodices 5% of the total supply of fuel, DAO creates 95% of the total supply of fuel. Unless IZ cannot produce enough, then DAO creates as much fuel as needed and redistributes 5% of the revenue to landowners

[fallow lily]

I wonder if there is a way to program it so that the DAO only creates fuel when the IZ lands are not producing enough

[broken roost]

i believe thats where we stand right now

[fallow lily]

If so, then I don't see the concern I've been hearing lately around it

That is a good failsafe to have imo

[broken roost]

the concern was, what is actually happening right now, that OW and Arena are launching without IZ

[fallow lily]

Yeah that I totally understand, but I've also heard people upset that IZ isn't the only fuel producer

[paper lance]

they want to have airdrop initially to attract f2p. but literally most of those will stop playing when there are no more free money for playing free.

this is already happening in mavia

[fallow lily]

I guess the hope is that the game itself will speak for itself.

To be honest, you will always have a player falloff

[broken roost]

exactly, because if IZ was the only fuel producer (as it was sold 2 years ago), we could be sure that the team worried enough about the game working properly

[fallow lily]

No avoiding that, but the more people you can hook, the better of course

[paper lance]

and then you have arena that was supposed to be a mobile game, ow that high spec requirements, and ilz literally dead gameplay.

they made emote airdrop for people who play arena for a set amount of games back in december. and promised to deliver it q1 2024.guess they cant even meet deadlines on emotes?holy.

[mild copper]

thank you.
i felt like I unlock the horror of IZ now

[broken roost]

what do you mean?

[mild copper]

that 5% and 95% Dr.spoon said to me. if IZ cant produce much. its like DAO will take over by 95%

[broken roost]

have you ckecked https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1227003710840766484 ?

[radiant sky]

Maybe read up on IIP-39 + iip-45 in Governance section to get a feeling for economy of IZ

[radiant sky]

Not yet... Should actually sleep, but Suffer a headache strong af.
Not the time for Stuff Like that, gona have a look into it tomorrow 🙂

[broken roost]

damn, sorry to hear that. For sure there is no hurry, but yeah have a read when you can, i believe its worth it. More importantly i think its a very good starting point for a decent discussion on the future of IZ

[radiant sky]

Good to hear, we have to rail the future of IZ asap... before the landlords voices won't get heared that much anymore because illuvium gets flooded of Arena and OW fanboys wanting to Change this and that.

[broken roost]

i think so aswell, this couple of weeks might be our only window

[radiant sky]

Could be. For sure changes can be made later on, but if they have 50k+ people screaming for changes in Arena and 100k+ people screaming for some changes in OW... It could Look bad for those 7k people holding Land and wana have some changes 😅

[broken roost]

exactly. Sad it had to come to this..

[long tendon]

Theres too many threads I dont know where to share it hahaha but for all concerned parties, there will be a town hall scheduled next week. I will be sharing the list of concerns that was posted and dm'd to me to Labs in an effort for them to be addressed.

Once the town hall is posted as an event in the discord, I encourage everyone here to attend. Thank you!

[radiant sky]

Thanks for your Hard work scrub 🙂
Answering questions is nice but, personally....
Rather than being questions answered i would love to have at least a somewhat detailed Info on the state of IZ and outlook the Next Couples of months. But an honest one, Like cards on the table... Show transparency the Team likes to highlight everywhere

[mortal mural]

I think it’s better dao mints 19 when player mints 1 fuel and only can sell at rail price for example. In which case they would only be selling on excess demand. I think this is the current case now.

[cerulean steppe]

Exactly, we need Kieran to answer us in writing. Either here or he writes a response we can discuss here.

We have our points written up here: #1227003710840766484 message

Excellent work by @narrow oasis .

[teal mural]

@weary bluff @radiant sky what if the delaying of IZ is to make the airdrop look better. For instance a whole lot of ppl can download IZ on mobile phone so the airdrop would be spread thin and they wouldn’t make any money back because ppl wouldn’t need to pay for fuel to play IZ and OW you have to buy fuel which would give money back to the DAO and players that go hard would post about getting a 1k+ airdrop and finding good illuviuals and selling some for good money on the DEX all which would bring attention to illuvium

[mortal smelt]

Real question is are you in it for Zero or for Illuvium as a whole, yes the issue lies in not knowing the exact layouts for what is going to happen but at the end of the day Illuvium as a whole needs to succeed.

[teal mural]

I think they are goin to market IZ with skins because if we get 100k players they will want to have a different look a few months into playing the game and that where IZ come in. Now they are marketing IZ for producing fuel, and making skins

Imma buy up all the T1’s I can for cheap to make skins and sell them if I can make a 3x on my money then that would help me recover for the lost’s over the years.

[teal mural]

I guess were vegan meat 🤣🤣

[cerulean steppe]

A great marketing slogan to bring mainstream in.

[hearty cradle]

Landowners!

https://tenor.com/view/dune-part-2-part-two-paul-atreides-gif-3004313211967113463

[blazing ferry]

F2P zero will be available for the airdrop, just not NFT lands

[cerulean steppe]

Yeah, a real metaverse fight fought out in Discord.

[paper lance]

so is it ok to ignore zero,or use it just for initial attraction to the ecosystem,or whatever if it benefits the whole?

[teal mural]

I kn but not for the first few months

[paper lance]

if they are planning to have earnings through nft with land ignored like this, idk what to say lol

[blazing ferry]

F2P zero will be ready at the beginning of PB4

[weary bluff]

1k airdrop requires like 8 ilv, thats not possible considering that the whole bag is 200-250k and usually there are more than 1m walletrs grinding

i expect maximum of 40$ per person, which if its on eth wont be worth claiming

ofc we talk about the casual grinders, not the 24/7 ones

depends how they made the system tho, if lands get boosted based on tier, that would reduce the airdrop by a lot

so maybe 20$ per person, idk

but probably even t4 wont get 1k $

[teal mural]

Hopefully it’s done on IMX and hopefully the ILV hits $300 to $400 by time they airdrop it, which could happen if ppl like the game and we would be in the bull market by then

[weary bluff]

even if thats the case, 1k is not possible

casuals will not get more than 0.5 ilv

0.2 perhaps

[teal mural]

I kn just saying that would help the $40 look better at $100+

[weary bluff]

it would, as long as ilv gets pumped

[paper lance]

farmers and bots will be very happy

[teal mural]

I can’t wait to see what the illuviuals will be selling for and how much time and cost will it take to make a skin. I’m still thinking this will be the best play for good gains

[weary bluff]

we will make sure that the nfts are available too, no worries

[weary bluff]

for t1 especially, cuz we wont make money from fuel

[teal mural]

Yeah imma do min fuel production and put 6 scanners on each plot. I grabbed one for each region for a better chance to get all types and some rare ones

[paper lance]

would there be people willing to buy your skin though, with so much supply

illuvials, well maybe because they help in gameplay. but still depends on player base outlook

[blazing ferry]

Town hall should be real interesting. Hopefully they come with real answers.

[teal mural]

Illuviuals would be in high supply and skins won’t rite away and the more ppl that play and buy skin will lower the supply so it shouldn’t be a problem. It takes time to make skins

[celest wagon]

@tardy falcon No one is interested in your topic.... it's the most important topic for IZ

[weary bluff]

i will flip out really bad if they start talking about compensation and not ways to finish the game

[paper lance]

why would people buy skin though if they can just set aside liquidity to buy better illuvials?

[weary bluff]

to be cool

[paper lance]

f2p players want money, not to be cool

[teal mural]

Because that not how gamers work, everyone what’s to look cool and different in a game

[weary bluff]

oh, nobody said that f2p will buy skins : D

[paper lance]

they are dreaming if they think they can amass genuine players outside web3

[weary bluff]

these dudes here with the ethlizards will be the buyers : D

[blazing ferry]

I understand emotions are high and this is not what we were promised. We want the game delivered obviously.

I think we do need to be willing to listen to alternative plans that might make this right though.

[paper lance]

zero has been out for how long.the only content they added is that marketplace iirc.

[weary bluff]

there isnt alternative plan, theyll just airdrop some bs and ruin our investment, send us back into bear with empty pockets and promises, then ilv dies. they should look a bit further than halving.

[paper lance]

this is now how mobile games work.you update monthly bare minimum lol.and by update, i mean new content not patch

[blazing ferry]

Why do you say the investment will be ruined?

Even if land integration is two months late, it will still be there early in the airdrop compaign, right?

[teal mural]

They could if they do it rite, I would put the game out on web2 and 3. For web to charge them $20 to download and like to spend money on skins and in game coin just like any other game, no reason to leave money on the table. If then think they are good enough and want to own shit and make money off of it then they can start trying out the web3 version

[blazing ferry]

I'm just saying it will be delayed, but still available early in that airdrop period where everyone is grinding. So why is the investment ruined?

[paper lance]

investment wise it is already ruined. if instead of minting land, you just staked your fund on ilv or eth, you are already winning at this time. you held land for so long, and get zero.

[blazing ferry]

True, but from today forward?

[teal mural]

Moving forward is the only way but it been an annoying ride, a 2year wait has been wild and then not to be able to start early is wild and now having to start late is even wilder. We are at the finish line and the only way is forward but also we must understand that every last complaint is also understandable. Detailed information would help. We must continue to move forward. This is the way.

[blazing ferry]

Yep, and I think if we identify these specific ways in which (as @weary bluff says) they will "ruin our investment" then we can be more open to compromises that address those specifically such as in the event that land can't be built up ahead of release.

[swift crown]

sorry to bug again G but does ETH withdrawals from IMX to MetaMask shows on Immutascan? Because It's not showing From/To but Withdrawal.. @whole spear

[whole spear]

Its a two step process, you need to finalise the transfer to L1

[swift crown]

fasho. I think I exited out the final phase to corfirm it to transfer to L1.. is there a way to correct it

will it reverse the transaction if i didnt

[teal mural]

He maybe talking about F2P. How do you keep them play? After the airdrop, IZ isn’t a super fun game as in you building up for something like it is for us landholders, so in till they can add on the tower defense mode then you would need another way, do you allow then to be able to collect a 1/10 of the fuel compared to what we are able to produce? and if so what would that do to the landowners land value.

[blazing ferry]

That's a tougher question that certainly won't be feature complete by OB, but it would be good to know their intentions for sure. There's plenty of time for an expansion in the 6 month airdrop window, but only if they commit to something. Good question for someone to ask in the townhall next week.

[mortal smelt]

ignore? that is pretty far fetched, what point is it to reward at a expense if there are no players?

players that would bring in revenue

[paper lance]

where would really be no players

you play ilz for what?

[mortal smelt]

lol you act as if this is not a pre-production product

I play to see if I like it, and there are any errors and improvements needed

The greedy part of me left when I sold some land, but I still hold some for the vision.

[forest jetty]

Anybody think samsung cares about landholders?

[paper lance]

what new contents have you seen for the past year and months with regards to ilz?are you still playing the game to this date?

[mortal smelt]

Just tell me what it is you are looking for that way we can cut to the chase.

[mortal smelt]

Who knows maybe they purchase the T-5?

[mortal smelt]

And fyi I play daily to see what I can come up with to strategize how I want to play my lands.

Is it easy to switch from BP to fuel mining, but I won't get that info until I can print T-5 blueprints and etc, which is the most frustrating part.

not being able to play the "full" game is what bothers me, I mean its not even on the blockchain...does that mean when people play the beta 4 will they have access that us land owners don't have? so many questions that I have...

[teal mural]

They care about their reputation! And they will drop a project that can make them look bad real quick. The true is at some point they will turn up on IZ. One they need good mobile games to bring in players and IZ + Arena can do that

[teal mural]

Yup which mean they will have to get IZ to a good spot

[mortal smelt]

If PB 4 allows a "full" version of IZ regardless of F2P without actual land owners experiencing it, would be a big fail imo.

and by full version I mean a version we land owners did not get to play

[swift crown]

@whole spear

[whole spear]

Just go to withdrawal again and should be there or in pending

[hearty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/awoo-awoo-300-spartans-warriors-gif-16099810

Landowners !

https://tenor.com/view/sparta-300-gif-20692124

[cerulean steppe]

Where can I play this game ? Is it on virtual land I can buy?

[hearty cradle]

token channel is the true pvp ser

[radiant sky]

IZ F2p is available for pb4 airdrop farming, it's just paid Land which could be delayed.

[iron veldt]

No way 😄

f2p ILZ will come but not our lands?

🤣🤣

there is a reason i left reading the Illuvium discord

[radiant sky]

Yea, looks like

[grand silo]

bs

as in if this happens that would be total bs for us land holders

[iron veldt]

Yes

[amber rune]

sorry been out of this for a whilel - is zero live? can we produce and sell resources on market now?

[timber sapphire]

No

[amber rune]

ok - I'll keep awaiting - thanks.

[timber sapphire]

Check #📣〕announcements for more info

Pb4 soon

Although zero might not be included

[grand sigil]

So i was thinking of buying a t3... and i have a question for whom wants to answer lol... same money more or less that t3 costs... i can buy 4 t2... isnt that better? 4 t2 against 1 t3?

[radiant sky]

No detailed Info about changes in beta Version, so you can just Make assumptions based on Alpha build, undetailed Info we got so far about Beta and what might happened to Change in future

So it's basically a uninformed guess you have to Make 😄

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky yeah. I was looking more like personal opinions. I know there are no further details lol

[radiant sky]

What's for sure an advantage in 4xT2 is you have 4 Lands with a lower floor price. You can sell one Land AT some point and still have 3 and you most likely sell it faster because of the lower floor.
But you also have to manage 4 Lands which needs a tiny bit more time spent

[radiant sky]

Hard to Tell. A good strategy is probably Stick to lower Tiers.... More people advocating for buffing those, faster liquidated, the time needed to handle those compared to a higher tier is minor if you reached midgame, Team is for now developing and balancing with focus on low Tiers....

Not really much speaking for high Tiers except "maybe in future they get something cool which is worth the price"

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky that last part is like 50 50 chances to be "good" haha. Been there done that.

@radiant sky thanks for your opinion. 🍻

[radiant sky]

Absolutely 😄

[radiant sky]

Always.... NFA tho... It's probably the most uncertain time right now to buy a plot of Land. But o can See how tempting low floorprices are

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky dont worry bro. Ill never blame anyone but myself for the decision i make haha. Im old enough.👊

[mortal mural]

i just read kierans responses in the call into question, did he just say zero team started from scratch a year ago?

[radiant sky]

Some really personally Info... My guts Tell me t2 will Profit the most by far with the upcoming changes, and were already in the best spot in Alpha season1

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky exactly what was on my mind haha. A t2 farm

[mortal mural]

i also think t2 have great balance price wise

[grand sigil]

I just hope they will let us use our own fuel... like sync 0 with ow

Gotta sell my 100k account on BT and buy like 50 t2 mmmuuhahahhahahahhaha

[radiant sky]

Yes, he did.
I guess he's reffering to the Beta build.
Thats why we never got an updated Version Like Arena, Lot of devtime without really gamedesign changes

[mortal mural]

i think t3 are kind of overpriced because of element production, which there is no way to dump at the current moment. and T1 are too slow too develop.

[fair temple]

I bought a megacity of 4T2s over a T3. Imo made much mure sense since we will probably see expansions catered towards megacities. And T2s are the golden standard as they are the foundation for F2P gameplay. If you want the most balanced plot, gameplay and retuens wise, get T2 :] thats my thoughts at least.

[fallow lily]

QQ: what exactly is a megacity?

Just a fully built out plot or is it more to it than that?

[fair temple]

It is a 2x2 or 3x3 plot of land.

You buy 4 or 9 plots in a square and can merge them into a megacity

[fallow lily]

Oh I see, interesting

Never knew that was a thing, thanks!

[fair temple]

You will only need a single nexus, resources are shared and so are storages and blueprints and research data builders etc. So basically it allows you to progress quite a bit quicker.

Future updates may require you to have a megacity for certain features as well. Thats what im hoping for at least :]

[fallow lily]

Yeah that sounds pretty cool

[grand sigil]

@fair temple yeah i think megacity is a bit spicey if i dont sell other assets lol... ill see... thanks for reminding me, i was forgetting about megacities👊

[radiant sky]

Keep an eye on #🛒〕land-dex there are already complete megacities for sale here and there

[timber sapphire]

Yeah but you might need to pay a premium now because they are a megacity

[radiant sky]

Yea, but don't let you fool about premium.... Everything above 20% is most likely too much

[fair temple]

20% higher than floor imo is a very fair price for only having to open a single Large plot when playing.

[timber sapphire]

They are already implementing that?

[fair temple]

Some people ask for 20% above floor.

[fair temple]

Ohh yes 1 single big plot

[timber sapphire]

I meant the 1 big plot

[fair temple]

And i thought scanning would be worse on megacities as you remove half the edges on your plots... but you only need a quarter of the storage buildings. So thats a lót of free space.

[radiant sky]

Totally

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky what was the advantages of megacities? I forgot lol

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[grand sigil]

@radiant sky damn... i shouldnt have read that... im like a blueprint obsessed hunter🤦‍♂️

[worn bridge]

Anyone remember the 3rd party application that listed available mega cities for sale?

[slim wigeon]

Its so sad even with prices so much down no chance to build out my megacities in any way.

[fallow lily]

Give it time, if the bull markets goes as everyone expects, those prices will rise. The only remaining question is will there be buyers at that time, as it may price people out of the market

[radiant sky]

Never heared of that before 👀

[fallow lily]

IMX?

[radiant sky]

If no buyers, prices Fall.... Market regulates itself 🙂

[worn bridge]

Maybe, but I thought there was a bot or something.

[fallow lily]

true indeed

[worn bridge]

Like a mega city bot

[slim wigeon]

oh I am not planning to sell anyway

Land for me is not an investement I was planning to sell to begin with but I want to get a juicy 3x3 but the snipers fq me

Is the owner of this little megacity here:

@fallow lily does it belong to you?

[fallow lily]

no, unfortunately 😄

[slim wigeon]

If anybody knows who this is please let me know.
Will also do some research on his wallets now.

Are you here?

[vivid cipher]

I’ve been doxxed! Mods help!?!?!

[slim wigeon]

Is it you?

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/issa-joke-its-a-joke-im-joking-gif-7246089

No not me.

[slim wigeon]

Also asked in Ethlizards?

Haha you pranker

[vivid cipher]

What’s the address? I might recognize an og

[slim wigeon]

he is an OG

Address:

0xfcc7d79424afaaff1e3cbf7c6f52f33bdbebfbdf

It's not the one he bought the land with

[hearty cradle]

Landowners !

https://tenor.com/view/glory-charge-civil-war-civil-war-charge-war-gif-25539430

[vivid cipher]

Puppet master is pretty limited edition.

[slim wigeon]

Found him already I am in an italian Discord now lol

He's an OG with so many Illuvium NFT's an posten 0 times here lol
And one single time in Ethlizards he doesn't waste time at all 😂

[slim wigeon]

You are the best Jag not holding but fighting for all of us (hopefully not only trolling) 😄

[vivid cipher]

Nice

[spark ice]

Will be a reset on Illuvium zero before PB4?

[radiant sky]

Not known.
Since there is most likely just f2p available for pb4 they could just Upload the new build while still keeping Alpha season1 available i guess

[barren turtle]

Would fuel be for sale from land owners during PB4?

[radiant sky]

No

[radiant sky]

AT least most likely not 😅
Land would need to build fuel production first and f2p isn't even allowed to sell fuel

[atomic cove]

Question: If I list 1 crypton to sell it will show an order of 20 crypton since the DAO is putting the other 19, what happens then if for example I remove my 1 crypton order but 7 of the 20 crypton correponding to that order have already been sold?

the only way I see to prevent this is once the player submits a sell order he can't cancel it. Or players can only buy a minimum of 20 units.

[tardy falcon]

I think it's one order... player buys 20... not 7 of 20

[mortal mural]

i dont think tokens mint on listing on orderbook. seems really bad mechanic

[tardy falcon]

That's another reason why it's fucky for players... cuz we will have to consider what will sell

I list 1 I need to expect 20 will sell... so I may have to adjust and sell .1 instead

In other words... players may also be stuck with excess of fuel if there is not enough demand

BUUUUT... if they are erc20 tokens... I guess there is no stopping people from doing back room deals... Selling fuel directly to other players via transfer and trust system

Or setting up an LP and trading the tokens via dex

[knotty blaze]

guys I would really appreciate if someone explains the latest news (ie megacity) to a poor guys waiting to play his poor land in this rich and slow game. thanks

[timber sapphire]

Don't think this will happen, that's why you can't use your own fuel as well to prevent things like that

[timber sapphire]

Not much news other than delays afaik

[tardy falcon]

Really? I mean if they are tokens can't we do what we want with them outside of the system?

[radiant sky]

Check Pins

Megacities:
#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[timber sapphire]

I dont know, I'm sure the team already thought of these things

[radiant sky]

Yea, pretty much

[tardy falcon]

I don't think there is anything stopping someone/people from creating a trading pair and adding liquidity for say, crypton. There's risk for the probider as well... so it's not like 100% a good idea

[radiant sky]

But, the only Way out of IZ for now is via orderbook.
Ingame fuels are no token, fuel is just an ingame asset inside of iz

[tardy falcon]

I thought they were tokens

[radiant sky]

As soon as they are minted, but that mint happening in the orderbook afaik

[tardy falcon]

ahh... so it's a closed system and the fuel appears in game

That's weird tho... so I extract fuel on my land... but that fuel isn't actual fuel? Just a representative number of fuel? And minting happens during the orderbook process?

[radiant sky]

As far as i know, yes.
Could Change tho, AT least Johnny mentioned it a few Times that it could be possible in future to get fuel back into iz, basically a landplot could buy fuel

[tardy falcon]

Maybe that's another reason for IZ delay... getting that system functional.

If anything landowners should be able to operate on a testnet even through this whole F2P Airdrop extravaganza... Smells to me like things just aren't ready and more technically challenging than anticipated.

edit Just read through some of the IZ dialogue in ideas and Kieran said Orderbook/Fuel system has been audited... so that's good.

[tardy falcon]

Looking forward to the townhall...

[sacred holly]

me too

[fallow lily]

when exactly is the next one?

[tardy falcon]

Check announcements

[sacred holly]

you'll know it here #📣〕announcements

[fallow lily]

Just saw it lol, they posted it right as I asked

[sacred holly]

they hear you. lol

[radiant sky]

1 Day after airdrop Details and registration 😄
Perfect timing.... AT least it can get clipped for airdrop marketing 🙃

[little moon]

AMA 8 PM which timezone? It didn't show the time in my timezone (EST)
@whole spear

[broken roost]

Yeah that timing.. and I thought AMA was only going to be about Zero, silly me. We need to flood the form with questions about IZ

[radiant sky]

Looks more Like a General townhall about open beta

[broken roost]

Yup

[lusty crag]

Unfortunately it does.

[shy wedge]

Is ilv zero currently available for mobile?

[fallow lily]

yes

[shy wedge]

Even on android devices?

[fallow lily]

Yep, I play it on my android phone

[shy wedge]

If yes, are there any tutorial link I can have to learn how to set it up?

[fallow lily]

Primary place I play

[shy wedge]

I have lands since the beginning.

Never played

[fallow lily]

I would check YouTube

Its easy to learn though

[radiant sky]

It's a simple apk Download on the official Homepage
Download, unzip, (maybe reboot device needed), install, reboot device, have fun

[shy wedge]

Do I need a crypto wallet on my mobile hot wallet to hold my lands?

[fallow lily]

Ah I think I misunderstood your question. As Dr Spoon stated, you download the apk file to your phone then install it. You may have to enable manual installs on your phone FYI

No need to have the wallet on your phone

Your land is attached to your acct

So make sure the wallet is linked to your acct on the illuvium website, and you should be fine

That is in fact what will be tested during PB4, though not for Zero yet, but def for overworld

[shy wedge]

Ahhh. Ty

[hearty cradle]

that would be game breaking

i would prefer "true ownership" that the fuel from land can be transfered in and out

but it has been said that if they allow fuel to be transfered to land there will be no need of storage

even if they allow it, you will only receive 1/20

Landowners !

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-horse-charge-gif-17468559

[blazing ferry]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message Johnny thinks of everything

[fickle goblet]

What's happening, are we getting some love

[bitter phoenix]

No

[slim wigeon]

maybe you share something with my friend @little moon too

[bitter phoenix]

He’s already Rich chigga 888. I don’t think he really needs our help

[slim wigeon]

only Rich people ask for money right

[rare stream]

Guys, tell me, was there any information at the AMA about the lands and what awaits them?

[frozen finch]

If my memory is correct they mentioned that only paid lands will produce fuel and that paid lands may not be ready for pb4/open beta

[hearty cradle]

we'll see

[hasty bone]

I was told as a land holder I can come here and get access to the overworld haha?

[slim wigeon]

@vivid cipher can you give Slappa a key to play OW 🙏

[radiant sky]

There are no keys given out at the moment
But registration for pb4 starting April 15, you might be lucky and get access to it 🙂

[polar cosmos]

I hope that 10k players will not be picked randomly and our experience with actual game be more considered

[radiant sky]

Hope so too 🤞

[polar cosmos]

btw, im already playing in OW xD

i got access once before and it's so good, i hope i will be in Private Beta 4 for gettin some points

[radiant sky]

And get the first Lore leaks 🙃

And ofc give quality feedback and Report bugs over all 3 Games
(this is for Aaron to give me access, i know you are reading now i mentioned Lore leaks)

[frozen finch]

Yes. I love me some good lore. Gief access please

[blazing ferry]

Try c5aae852-2cb7-4cca-81e0-8967d9c385c8

[vivid cipher]

I’d be surprised if that works. I do not believe that there is even a place to input codes at the moment.

[polar cosmos]

its my last catched illuvial, strong one

[winged lynx]

Is there a way to see how much eth it cost me to mint my land in the land sale?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Look on ethereum mainnet. You spent eth on June 2-6 (I can’t remember exact dates). Maybe it says on the IlluviDex as well

[polar cosmos]

yes, you have to look at etherscan and paste your adress to see transaction history ; )

& click the transaction to know how much u paid for minting yours land

[winged lynx]

Thx !

[pine kestrel]

Hello friends. Could you send information about the efficiency of fuel and resource deposits? That is: comparison of the efficiency of fields between T1, T2, T3, T4, T5 with percentages.

[radiant sky]

All Tier can reach Max efficiency of 150 except t3 can push a specific Element higher, up to 175 and t4 can push a specific fuel higher, up to 175%.

[spark ice]

Ok thanks mate

[pine kestrel]

Thank you

[radiant sky]

There are many different perks about Tiers of Land and many things to consider.
Make sure you do proper research before buying

[bitter phoenix]

Sorry @radiant sky I should be asking skin questions here instead of clogging up the ideas channels

[radiant sky]

Right 😅

[bitter phoenix]

With the edition of lvl requirements high t skins will be extremely rare

[radiant sky]

And expensive

Aaron just told today, they are lowering the time needed to lvl up

Answer for your statements in the other Chanel 😄

[bitter phoenix]

Wait…what…. Where? lol. Getting lost now.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

[bitter phoenix]

That’s a relief. It was pretty brutal

[slate merlin]

Best to go to this page https://illuvium.io/jobs and enter all of your qualifications, resume, etc. in the Talent Network link on the right of the screen.

[copper crescent]

Hey guys, I just posted some suggestions in my Twitter/X for benefitting land holders amd the current sentiment. Perhaps you might find some of those ideas worth supporting:

Speed-ups: A fixed quantity of speed-ups for every day IZ is delayed. The amount should be enough to compensate for the missing building time plus the speed-ups we would have been able to farm. This means 24+ speed-ups per day, since each speed-up equals 1 hour of building time.

Random blueprint drops: Since we should be able to start building or using singularity scanners to search for blueprints, it would be fair for some of us to receive blueprints.

Set maximum plots amount to 20,000: This would mean no more land being sold, which is something Kieran has expressed a preference for, and it would be the best way to retain the plots' value.

Assigning 5% of voting power to land: This could be done by assigning a set vILV power to each plot depending on the tier, which would equal the 5% in-game revenue distribution.

[astral tapir]

I have 2 x T3 and 1x T1 land.
I figure i should play all games to maximise airdrop. I assume I play through my immutable wallet?
Is this safe on iphone?
thanks

[cerulean steppe]

The voting power is probably the most important.

[astral tapir]

ok. no iphone. hi powerful must your computer be to play Illuvium ?

[hearty cradle]

u can play iz on browser

[vivid cipher]

Check out the epic store to find out the recommended specs for #🎮〕illuvium-arena and #🎮〕illuvium-overworld

[slim wigeon]

What do you guys think about airdropping the remaining land over 5 years to landholders holding land at the time of the snapshot or several snapshots per year.

For me personally this would be amazing and I think this is a game on its own to sell the airdropped land buy other plots to build megacities 2x2, 3x3 and later even other cities.

For the DAO this would give much more revenue than currently. The land would also go down in price and would be accessible for much more people!

Tracing wallets finding owners start negotiations I would love it.

This is how I found you @blazing ferry
smart sniper haha

And you @errant pewter I am still interested in your city but no response 😄

[pine kestrel]

Hello. Is it really 175%? I Googled it and found the Illuvium fandom site. There is an article about landmark. There I read about 160%. Which information is correct?

[pearl marten]

100% that it's 175%

[radiant sky]

Landmark Bonus got changed, and as far as i know landmarks get changed again

[pine kestrel]

Got it, thanks

[radiant sky]

So there's probably old data on the site you looked it up

[pine kestrel]

I also wanted to clarify. What are blueprints for? Are these the colors for certain ranger outfit slots in Overworld? Or what are they for?

[blazing ferry]

Yeah, something along these lines would be really great. While we'll never want to see our land values diluted, it would also be unfortunate to never have the ability to make the rest available for new players/trading/megacities/filling in gaps in the map.

This is an option to do that without upsetting people and I like that far more than locking the number of lands at 20k forever. Just imagine if we have 100, 500M+ players some day and some IIP from 2024 before the game is even out says we can't ever release the rest of the plots.

Glad you found me too! 😁 I have a feeling a few others will too once we release....megacities will be OP for sure

[slim wigeon]

Also think it would give more opportunities to small fishes being lucky swimming in the pool with whales who need your plot.

[blazing ferry]

Yeah, could be a lot of fun there. Maybe still not the experience of the original land sale though, not sure we'll ever get that one again 🙂

[radiant sky]

Blueprints are Kind of Like recipes to create skins for Ranger and drones

[slim wigeon]

I hope not as this will basically just half the value of our land 😂

[fallow lily]

I think the ability to zoom out a bit further would be good for this game: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1227975033440178240

For those longer sessions, being able to have a macro view of your town/city, would be great

[blazing ferry]

They've added this

[fallow lily]

Ah, that is a great news

[blazing ferry]

Instead of an airdrop....maybe way down the road they could build something into ILZ that allows you to expand into another plot. I could see options to take a fast route and get a random land plot or take more time to be able to select one...race against everyone else for a big land grab, or even just small chunks at a time. Gamify it some.

[frigid stag]

illuvium zero on IOS? some news ?

[sweet vortex]

It's gonna be a while. Maybe playable in browser

[copper crescent]

Support 💯 or any other idea that locks the max plots to 20,000, this one seems good as it allows for more players, more land holders, and more fun MC strategies without selling more land

I do hope Kieran is able to look though these ideas before finishing the draf of his proposal

Something which is also important I believe, is the aupport of the 5% of voting power to land holders

Locked max plots, 5% vILV to land and 5% in game revenue will make Land incredibly valuable I believe

Consider Kieran is already looking for ways to make the land hplders feel valued, this is the best way to ask that , also it was his idea to lock the max number of plots to 20,000 and distribute the rest as f2p land plots which would only produce fuel for the current paid land plots, which is an interesting idea

[molten kite]

One of the best ways to make me happy, is make a kick ass Overworld and Arena product, so there is a super high demand for fuel. Zero forms a symbiotic relationship with the other 2 games.

They could focus.more development on Zero, but unless the other 2 games are placing a demand on fuel, our land is useless.

Outside of the delays, logically you finish development on OW first.

[junior hollow]

the rest of the plots are only 80,000. So still won't be enough for the amount of players they have in mind.

[glad relic]

Wow i was thinking i gonna make 4x solon and u now saying is only 75%+ than the other, wtf

[radiant sky]

It's 25% plus, and you need to "waste" Space to push it for now.
Don't know how it will be in beta

[fallow lily]

Not a bad idea imo

[iron veldt]

Will we get the "fuel rewards" automatically or do we need to claim them?

[fallow lily]

insanely low carbon orders on the market in IZ right now. Anyone have any carbon they want to sell me in exchange for silicon or hydrogen?

I also have a 50k offer up rn now

[radiant sky]

You are not trading with other people in Alpha season 1

It's just trading with npc

[fallow lily]

Ah, I always thought it was other people lol

So, when I create an order, how are those handled? (are they even handled?)

[radiant sky]

Yea, you can Set a good premium on them and they should get bought.
After in Beta, you trading with other people.

[fallow lily]

Okay thanks! and I am REALLY looking forward to trading with others, should be good fun

and most importanly = useful

Do we know if the store will be live too in the next update or is that further down the line?

[radiant sky]

Absolutely

[radiant sky]

Will be live... Should contain speedup tokens and additional builders at least.

Sidenote; harvesting trees won't grant you speedup tokens anymore in Beta, bit some small amounts of Elements.

[fallow lily]

This sounds perfect!

[jade socket]

any news on when the beta will be?

[opal thistle]

No news yet but there is townhall on Monday, check the events calendar and send your questions

[ancient nacelle]

Has the idea of a illuvial training gym on Zero land been brought up? I wonder if this is another way to make ILZ useful. Could be just a megacity building or something to train them passively. Use the gym for your own Illuvials and rent the space to OW player to train theirs. Each stage of the building will allow an increase in the number of illuvials that can be trained at a time.

[broken roost]

i'd love this

[radiant sky]

Working on an iip for new Building right now 😄

[ancient nacelle]

Ha! I've just started a draft post in feedback.

[bitter phoenix]

I was thinking more you send them out on missions into the overworld from zero but a dojo makes way more sense and adds a huge layer of utility to zero. I love this idea

[gritty wave]

make sure to share link here so we can upvote it

[ancient nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228121146902184037

My link in ideas to get the convo going until then.

[radiant sky]

Gona take a while, probably Finish them at the Weekend.
It's actually 2 Buildings... Training grounds so high Tier are still able to focus on fuel rather than do mixed plots with bp production and 2nd Building for variety to do explorations being an Element + fuel sink for lategame

[gritty wave]

appreciate you care for the ecosystem 🙂

[fallow lily]

In regard to land tiers, what is everyone's opinion on what the best ones are? Is it really genuinely 5 is best and 1 is worse, or is the sweet spot tier 3?

[bitter phoenix]

Floor is extremely thin on t3 with only 4 listed less than 2 eth

[fallow lily]

So would you say Tier 3 is the best tier?

I am considering a higher tier. current highest tier land is 2

[tardy falcon]

I have a t3 in Shardbluff if u wanna chat

[fallow lily]

😄 I am still considering and moving my crypto investments around to see if I am truly in the market for a tier 3

Not ready to dive in just yet

just doing a bit of researching at the moment

[tardy falcon]

Right on... yah I'm shuffling some lands... trying to change up what I have

[fallow lily]

Can we already mint blueprints now?

[vivid cipher]

No.

[hollow shoal]

Not gonna lie, I think I am more hyped for blueprints sometimes.
At work, checking my land, doing my rounds. Bam! Blueprint! Get hyped! Can’t wait to get home to see it built etc

[paper lance]

will f2p plots be able to produce fuel?

[random siren]

Im sure but you wont be able to sell it to other players, Im guessing the fuel you collect will allow you to do other things within the game

[random siren]

https://tenor.com/view/field-of-dreams-baseball-if-you-build-it-they-will-come-gif-17965185

[paper lance]

like, in overworld too? or just inside zero?

[random siren]

unsure but I would imagine the design team will want to encourage ZERO players to play all games by giving f2p fuel as much utility as possible

perhaps it gives you a boost for your jet pack, boots etc

[ancient nacelle]

Guys I'm posting this feedback link here again as suggested by @whole spear .https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228121146902184037

I'm keen to get as much feedback as possible so I can start putting an IIP together to add utility to ILZ and cross game benefit.

[random cobalt]

Just upvoted. Love the idea.

Reminds me of the house in Pokemon where they level up your Pokemon for you. I'd always leave togepi there

Side note - is anyone else finding it extremely difficult to connect with someone holding a plot of land you need for a mega city??

[vivid cipher]

Everyone is. Always.

[random cobalt]

If someone branded themselves the real estate agent of Illuvium, I'd pay for services

[frozen finch]

I like it

[grand silo]

me too

[rapid forum]

Yes I own a tier 2 land, can you write me a dm?

[willow torrent]

can i bring up this old post. A partnership with gforcenow would make OW and arena a mobile hybrid game? please and thank you

[fathom burrow]

finally some pressure for land owners in the feedback channels, great job everyone that push those things 💪

lets upvote the land suggestions people, thats the least we can do

[hearty cradle]

Landowners !

https://tenor.com/view/vikings-valhalla-harald-finehair-hear-our-cries-gif-15738518

[pearl marten]

https://tenor.com/view/awoo-awoo-300-spartans-warriors-gif-16099810

[ocean haven]

https://tenor.com/view/guerra-war-ready-to-fight-gear-up-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-13809686

[bitter phoenix]

It depends on what you’re wanting the land for.
I have a selection of land but just bought a t3 for extra fuel production.

[fallow lily]

Right, for me its about efficiency. Fuel production is my priority, blueprints second.

So I am thinking T3 as well

Then the next concern is time management, how much time am I planning to dedicate to playing

[bitter phoenix]

I’m going to blueprint from my t1s and t2. Then just straight fuel from my t3 I think

[fallow lily]

That is a very solid plan

[bitter phoenix]

Time is a big factor. T1s are a pain if you have a lot of them

[fallow lily]

I decided to keep one of my T1 lands

selling the other

[bitter phoenix]

I will keep all of my t1s as they cover most regions. Good for bp

My only suggestion is if your going to buy a t3 or t4, buy a well balanced one that has the land mark matched well to the element or fuel sites

[vivid cipher]

No. I don’t help in DMs. You should contact support.

Support does not work through discord.

Contact #❓❓〕support through the website shared in the #❓❓〕support channel. Or look for HELP(?) in the top menu of the illuvium website.

[tardy falcon]

Fuuuuck!!! I just got the last plot needed for a MC!!!!!! 😍

[iron laurel]

Congrats!! Where is your city?

[tardy falcon]

Tyyy... In Crimsom

T4,T2,T1,T1

[iron laurel]

A T4? That is NICE! CW - might get a Rhamphyre skin, that would be awesome.
Did you buy three during land sale and were missing one or??

[tardy falcon]

I hope... the t1s will be scanning territorry for sure!!

No I bought the t4 & t1 last year january. Then the t2 came available a few months ago. fiunally this morning the last t1.

[iron laurel]

That's cool that your patience paid off! Good timing too. I sure hope when land is released the cities are playable as cities.

[tardy falcon]

Yes, I hope so too. That's what has been communicated so far.

[vocal stirrup]

Congrats on your MC @tardy falcon Hopefully they update Zero w MC perks soon after it hits the blockchain. Might scan the map looking for you lol. I have a MC in CW as well...

[tardy falcon]

Thx! Ooo neighbors maybe?!
Yess… let’s see what comes for mc!
Just check the recent t1s bought in crimson… easier than scanning the map (:

[fallow lily]

Congrats @tardy falcon
So it must be a collection of 4 directly connected blocks required to make a MC?

[frozen finch]

2x2 or 3x3 only confirmed formations I believe

[fallow lily]

Gotcha, thanks

[little moon]

grats @tardy falcon on your new MC

[misty nest]

Congrats!!!!

[amber atlas]

Hey folks, I'm back from my holiday/working-holiday. As I've mentioned in one of the feedback channels I'll be looking to do a couple of things this week:

1. Break down of features for f2p and p2e, what is done and what remains in sone kind of side-by-side view.
2. Effort and Risk Assessment of some specific ideas (such as the idea to enable landholders build on their own p2e land using the f2p release)

I can't do them right now as they all need me to talk to the rest of the team, but I will be pushing to get info as quickly as I can.

I'm also going to keep my responses to technical feasibility, technical risk, development effort, and game design. I won't be talking about changes to airdrops, revenue structure, and timelines (except with relation to implementation effort). These are items for council, marketing, etc.

[spark ice]

cool idea congrats

[pearl marten]

Welcome back Johnny! Can't wait to hear some updates 🙂

[amber atlas]

🙂

[young nacelle]

Welcome home Johnny. Gm.
Looking forward 🙏

[bitter phoenix]

Congratulations 🥂

[radiant sky]

as promised the link to my version of training grounds
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228481690566000640

[bitter phoenix]

Love this idea.

[weary bluff]

i got an idea for the next silv2 washing machine aka land sale, make it purchaseable only with silv2 with fixed prices, t1 at 1 eth worth of silv2 and scale it up. before burning the silv2, get 5% for land holders and distribute it, then burn the rest

we can do it tomorrow if yall want np

[teal mural]

Would be a waste to do it before the bull market starts

[spark ice]

looks very good

[forest jetty]

Hilarious

[teal mural]

I like this idea, we could also use this to lvl up our attack units in the tower defense mode for IZ

[acoustic igloo]

Hi. Where can I find the distribution of land tiers/ count please

[tall crypt]

There will not be a new placement of land as you think. They will be mini placements of 1000 plots.

[ancient nacelle]

So I've collated some of the ideas that we have come up with so far. I still need help with turning it into an IIP. I have used some of the info @radiant sky put in his previous post. I believe that there is something in it for all players. Happy to amend if there is enough support for those ideas. Please read below.

.

Proposal for Illuvial training gyms in ILZ "O'Doyle's Fight Club"

Structure Plot: Size 4x4 with levels 1-9
Max efficiency: 150%
Upgrade lvl: 2-9
Required structures: Nexus, Quantum Fabricant
Possible additional structures (TBD): Feed lot, +++
Possible additional resources: Hero Trainers (Badass Illuvials, Drones, Humans), +++
Land Tier production boost: Additional XP gain + ressource cost (yield) according to production boost

Outline

• The idea is to allow the plot/gym owner to train their unequiped Illuvials and grow XP passively without an XP cap.
• The speed of XP growth and leveling in the gym would be slower than if the Illuvials were used to battle in OW or Arena.
• Each upgrade stage of the gym (stage 1-9) can train more Illuvials and at higher speeds.
• XP gained increases with every stage upgrade of the gym.
• The number of spots available in the gym for F2P and P2E is equal at each upgrage stage. Example Gym lvl 3, 30 spots each.
• The gym uses Elements (carbon, silicon, hydrogen) in equal ammounts to run the site similar to extractors.
• Running cost increases proportionately with each upgrade level of the gym(element sink).
• Gym needs to be constantly active (daily or weekly activity clicking) for the Illuvials to gain passive XP.
• F2P players can train their T0 Illuvials in P2E gyms to an XP cap. Example - upto 25% required XP for fusion.
• F2P players can provide sustenance(TO plants, an maybe Illuvials from OW) to the higher tier Illuvials of gym owner for an additional 25% XP.
• OW players can use gyms for their Illuvials at a fuel cost, example 1 fuel per Illuvial per 10 levels or per week (TBD by labs). Passive XP growth has no cap.
• Regions boost illuvial traits in proportion (TBD by labs). Example Shardbluff boosts earth and fire, Halcyon boosts nature and water etc.

.

Optional ideas for interoperability/cross promotion

• F2P players may get an aditional reward with a gift or lend of Illuvials from gym owners for OW, Arena or future games for loyalty.

To be determined (TBD) by Labs

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228121146902184037

Please post feedback using the link above.

[sweet vortex]

cool idea

[hollow shoal]

Very interesting indeed 😮

[radiant sky]

Tower defense inside IZ?
Always thought this could be a relatively quickly developped standalone game.
I even started once creating it in UE5 but gave up since i had no models with illuvium theme 😄

[radiant sky]

Have you pinged community council for help?

[spark ice]

Everything well explained and i like your idea. But somehow Landowners must have more benefits from a f2p plots. Personally my target as Landowner was to produce fuel for me and use them on OW to catch more Illuvials. Instead of this i can accept your proposal it's not perfect for me but it is OK. But there are people who have buy 4-5 plots as an investment to produce fuel and sell them to marketplace and just a 5% of Rev is not enough to pay off their investment.

[weary bluff]

tower defense best mode ever.

[young nacelle]

@radiant sky
Your reply to my link,
Unsure how to explain in detail..
But above ☝️have a line I'm trying to tell
Landowners must have more benefits from a f2p plots.

[ancient nacelle]

@hearty cradle said he would have a look into it. Just waiting on that reply.

[hearty cradle]

yea i read it, but on dad duty today

gotta write later

[fierce fern]

I think what is misunderstood is that this Team is building 3 Games at 1 time with the Integration of Marketplaces and blockchain.

All of this should work in crosschain interaction.

Its basically a miracle if they pull it off.
Discuscions about next Games and so many different ideas to implement in Games which are not tested jet.
I dont know but dont you need to Focus to Finish something first

[radiant sky]

Played a Lot back then in starcraft, loved them

[radiant sky]

And with benefits you mean money?

[young nacelle]

Sorry late response, doing mom duty. Hands not available! 😅

Nope, I mean access to certain features.

I understand free stuff even in real life attract all kinds of customer and keep them coming back.

But what they have to take note, free stuff are limited to certain features.

[gritty wave]

is there any benefit to putting a path on the outer ridge of the property or is the boundary act like a path for upgrade benefits on land?

[misty nest]

No benefit unless you like how it looks.

[blazing ferry]

The outside edge of the map does not act like a path for the benefits shown in this infographic, if that's what you're asking. Note that how paths work will change with OB.

[gritty wave]

that is what I'm asking..thanks...so put the paths in if you want the performance boost 🙂

[blazing ferry]

yeah, sometimes you have to sacrifice a bit if you want buildings like scanners all the way on the edge

[gritty wave]

how will the paths change with OB?

and I realize this is all nerd stuff but is part of the fun of land 🙂

[blazing ferry]

We don't know exactly, but I think they will provide benefits by connecting buildings together rather than surrounding them

[gritty wave]

interesting..almost like a sidewalk or road adds value to buildings..no need to surround them just connect them

[blazing ferry]

makes more sense and will also allow for more interesting layouts I think, looking forward to seeing it

[gritty wave]

agree 🙂 I've just been putting big boxes around groupings now, but be more fun if they indeed were paths....excited all our weeding could have new benefits also

make the layout of land art, not just pure function.

and for what it's worth...I see land as the best short term value in the ILV ecosystem

not that there is currently much else to invest in 😉

[blazing ferry]

I'll certainly agree when I see a compelling F2P end-game....OB will bring in some land buyers regardless though

[weary bluff]

i still play tower defense in warcraft 3 from time to time : D

[pine kestrel]

Good afternoon. Do you happen to have any art showing how plants from Illuvium Zero will be used? I remember that such an image definitely exists, but I can’t find it. Perhaps you have one?

[barren turtle]

I think maybe nobody knows?🤔🤷‍♂️

[blazing ferry]

Not sure how official/final these are, but definitely gives some ideas.

[pine kestrel]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much friend!

[lyric hamlet]

Hi, do we do weekly updates anymore?

Is the game fully functional and can we make money yet?

[narrow oasis]

Not yet.

[weary bluff]

we will not be able to make money this cycle, founders decided to kill land and boost token

in 4 years after another land sale and 15$ airdrop, we might start making some money

if zero is finished by then ofc

could be delayed

[winter python]

Im not into taking shots at the team or the game, hopefully when they do finish everything it will be worth the wait. I personally have been sitting on this land for 2 years. Bought a computer 2 years ago that’s now 2 years older lol 😂…. It’s pretty frustrating to say the least…. But I will still apply to be able to play Private Beta 4…. And pray 🙏🏽 I get accepted….

[weary bluff]

ye, trust me, if theres a single land holder without access imma blow this place up : D

[fair temple]

Maybe zero is their game. And OW and Arena arent. I would prefer 8000 enthusiastic players than 8000 land holders who play 10 hours and quit "cuz its not their cup of tea" 😉

But yeah thats just me.

[weary bluff]

ye, they can still whitelist whoever else they want too : p

[compact nebula]

They need to work harder and stop enriching themselves until the product is out and show some results

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wayne-toss-throw-kid-gif-11623901

[weary bluff]

thats not possible, all they think about is money, always has been. game was never a priority.

in fact if they could suck even more money from u rn, they would. thats why a new game is going to be suggested soon. they need to sell stuff.

[narrow bear]

i think what the team is building is fantastic, innovative, and a real vision of blockchain gaming. Palworld demonstrated there is a gap in this market and the ability to own your assets is a huge win. ILV looks to dominate blockchain gaming and whilst the initial prices were high... thats your risk and your investment. The long term game looks AAA and has a thriving economy with potentially 4-5 operating games in the ecosystem

i don't think 4 simultaneous games have been built and succeeded before.

[narrow bear]

ill buy 1 T3/T4 plot but no where near market prices. If anyone here wants out of a plot let me know.

[placid finch]

I’m selling 2 t3

[orchid quest]

hello, question, is illuvium zero free to play?

or i need to buy land?

newbie here

[mortal mural]

Not yet. F2P plots is in the works

[orchid quest]

i see

thanks

[weary bluff]

im sure johnny has great plan to devalue lands, no worries

if theres one thing ilv can do, its screw land holders : D

[atomic cove]

look man I get that you're upset but your negativity is becoming a bit excessive

instead of trash talking, we should try to focus on how can we help improve the games for the sake of the DAO

[fallow lily]

Yeah it is clear some people invested more than they could afford to lose...

There is salty, then there is salt mining

[weary bluff]

if you have read everything and you are aware of everything you will know that the dao doesnt want to improve, neither does ilv. they want to put a bandage on a dam. the dao's job is to come and tell you that 72m worth of investment is equal to 1.4m for the project and to make sure the revdis % doesnt change.

until there are some changes in the dao or the people in the dao and the project itself, ilv games cannot grow, investors cannot be taken care of and there will be no profits in game assets, that much should be clear by now?

ilv token on the other hand, might. itll only get worse in the long run. ive told them what i need to tell them. ive done my part, but nobody is listening and the damage will be so great that land owners will never be in a good position, not this cycle atleast, but u can probably imagine that by next cycle theyll make another land sale.

if this project wasnt web3, many of these things wouldnt happen, its all about greed.

but i do understand how it might look from your point of view, we have been fighting here for 2 years for your investment, so u can mock our opinion : ))

[weary bluff]

salty couldnt possibly describe my disappointment in leadership.

[fallow lily]

As one who admittedly has not ready every single line of updates provided, and who invested later than those who were there day one, I can say I will only respect your opinion and thoughts on this.

I simply don't know enough to properly rebuttal or agree with you. I am just going by what I have read and what I see (actions, not words), and it looks like progress is being made. I will let the dust settle though before arriving at a final opinion on the matter.

[weary bluff]

thats the biggest issue ilv is about to face, 90+ % of the holders have no idea how much we r about to be screwed.

when it happens this chat is not going to look good.

[atomic cove]

if you don't believe in Illuvium's success then just cash out... I don't get why ppl invest in stuff they don't believe...

You managed to hustle the higher ups to the point of getting them to discuss presenting a proposal to compensate landowners. Just wait and see what comes out of it. We might even not get IZ delayed so you might want to consider a bit further your opinions.

Regarding this not happening if it was web2, thanks for the laugh. Web2 are all about profit I don't even get how you can make sense out of that sentence. Thanks to the DAO we have power to shape the game, we would never have that with a web2 gaming studio.

[weary bluff]

i did everything i could to prevent compensation, thats the easiest way out for them, dont u get it. they DIE to give u few $ instead of allowing you to be part of the ecosystem on launch, they dream about it . i requested doing everything possible to finish the game or adapt to the situation, but compensation will not work , it will not do anything, you will simply not be able to play, they will not pay for your fuel that you are supposed to produce on your own , which is why you purchased land, along with few other ways.

[atomic cove]

time will tell my friend. I think they were just being cautious saying it might get delayed. I still choose to believe they will deliver all 3 games in time with the OB by the end of Q2.

[weary bluff]

if theres even a whisper about it, in ilv that means 2-3 months delay. it was even mentioned 2 months somewhere, so that could mean 4-6

by now after all this, they would have verified schedule n shit, they would have said its on time

it is delayed, it is bad and theyre managing the outcome. the damage. but they cant do it, there is simply no way, too much at stake.

[atomic cove]

there are still 2 and a half months till Q2 ends. I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Just let em cook,

[blazing ferry]

They would prefer to hand out $ instead of launching Illuvium Zero with the other games? Can you explain how this would even benefit them? Of course they want all the games ready for launch day! This is just nonsense

[weary bluff]

no, they want to launch without zero. this is why we r having this discussion?

they wouldnt have set a date without zero, if they wanted to launch all games?

[atomic cove]

"they want to launch without zero"
It's you who should stop this false narrative, raising false alarms to everyone...
They've said all this time they are trying to release all 3 games simultaneously. Please stop spreading false information.

[weary bluff]

its literally happening.

[fallow lily]

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Its good to hold them to accountability for sure, but lets not accuse them of things we literally cannot yet prove.

If I am saying anything, its that.

Also, you really have to consider the market effect. The market is the reason for most "loss", not the decisions of the team (imo)

[tardy falcon]

Idk... I think it's great that @weary bluff is here. He's just pushing a more extreme position and he's passionate.

But one thing about all the ideas swarming around Zero rn is... there's SO MANY of them. Would be good to compile an easy to read summary of everything going on... I'll give it a go here:

CURRENT ILLUVIUM ZERO IDEAS & PROPOSALS

GAME CHANGES:

Land Raiding: Filow
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228406767944204388

Zero Training Gyms for XP: HappyBallz https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228121146902184037

• Similarly -
  Zero Training Grounds: DrSpoon
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1228481690566000640

Player-driven Quest System: Filow
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1224359515521159389

Make P2E Plots available to earn airdrop points: MegaRatty
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1229138369330675804

__ZERO COMPENSATION IDEAS:__


10% vs 5% revs during any delay period, speed up credit airdrops, element airdrop, production boost: Jaganite
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1226758651285340245

Airdrop Additional ILV rewards equal to beyond for landholders + Revenue distributed based on weekly fuel sales: Kieran

Community Awaiting Proposal

Continued Fuel Airdrops to landholders to incentivize OW gameplay: Multiple Community Members

OTHER ZERO IDEAS:

Delay OB until Zero is ready: Battlecries
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1225372981262553149

No more land sales ever: zzcap
#1226758651285340245 message
No formal proposal yet

Questioning Launch Timing: Yellow Party Hat
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1227003710840766484

• I’m sure there are more - but this is what I can find or remember for now. Lmk if there’s any that should be added to the list!

[atomic cove]

nice one @tardy falcon this should help everyone navigate through all the recent ideas posted.

[hasty temple]

What time preregistration startsss 👁️‍🗨️👁️‍🗨️

[celest wagon]

00:00 ?

[dreamy mist]

Im waitiiiiing

[bitter phoenix]

There is also all of the stuff here in zero chat. It has all become very messy and hard to follow.
There are a lot of good ideas here but the main points get lost in a sea of discussion.

[mortal mural]

I think during townhall we should listen and ask aaron and Kieran what’s the direction they want to take for IZ. Like the big overall direction and see if community members agree. It’s been a long journey, maybe ideas evolved. And see where community wants IZ to go. I personally want to stick to the main and first idea Kieran came up with, which is why I bought into zero plots.

[tardy falcon]

I hear yah. I’d say, if there are any ideas worth exploring they should be added to feedback/ideas channel in order to explore those ideas further and keep things organized. Otherwise, if all the ideas just float in the sea of comments nothing will come of them. So let’s get them where people can engage with them!

[bitter phoenix]

It’s very hard to compile the essence of the discussions into a coherent format.
I love discord for all of the open conversations but man it’s hard to follow.

I wish I knew how to use ai to compress and bullet point conversations. Or better yet make visual graphics.
There is too much reading.

[ancient nacelle]

Sounds like we need a ZeroGPT.... Anyone good with AI?

Maybe we could power it with fuel tokens.....? lol.

[tardy falcon]

I know we've all been through revenue projections... BUT, for the sake of entertainment and current info available... How much revenue do y'all think a T3 land will produce per month? Including revdis, rewards, fuel sales, blue print sales & airdrops. Consider a primarily fuel-centered plot with 2-4 scanners... Go!!

[weary bluff]

a factor that many ppl arent considering is fuel demand, what the demand would be post hype? even before land holders join the ecosystem the hype will be gone. in order to make profits from fuel we will need some sort of demand. we r still counting on an untested approach thats expecting web2 ppl to pay, if players dont wanna pay or it is too expensive it would also multiply the effect of the delay until zero is functional

[tardy falcon]

So how much does that thought convert to revenue per month for a t3 as mentioned above 🤪

[fallow lily]

I think that worry is a bit inflated. The market cost of fuel will adjust to demand

In the end, you are right though, we need to see how the game appeals to the masses

and it may take a while to catch on

Patience will be required

[bitter phoenix]

I have no idea but I’d love to hear your projections

[tardy falcon]

Idk either...
But my guess is:

• Likely 2x more fuel airdrops = 2x$135 ($270) divide by 12 months = $22.5
• Possible ILV rewards equal to Beyond leaderboards thus far = 3200 ilv/20,000 plots given weight to tier... Maybe 1 ilv? So ($100) divide by 12 months = $8.3
• Revenue share 5% of all sales back to landowners given weight to tier [Have no idea pure guess] = $5/mo for t3
• Pure fuel sales from maxxed plot 5/95 split... [Have no idea pure guess] = $25-50/mo for t3
• Blueprints [Have no idea pure guess] = $10/mo average for 2-4 scanners
  So total for a t3 = $71-96/mo

[glad relic]

5 bucks x month a tier 3?

[bitter phoenix]

Hmm going to take a while to pay for its self

[tardy falcon]

Idk... it's 5% of all in game sales distributed to all landowners (20k plots)... what's your guess?

[glad relic]

mayb 10 x month😆

[tardy falcon]

Yahh... if this is what it ends up being... but this is just my quick guess... I have no fucking clue XD

[bitter phoenix]

I agree. No clue. I’ve placed my bets. lol.

Do you have just mega cities left now?

[tardy falcon]

I have a t3 I'm considering trading/selling... but trying to figure out if I should keep it or trade

[bitter phoenix]

I just bought a t3 so holding a variety of plots now

[tardy falcon]

Nice!

[bitter phoenix]

It’s a long term play imo

[tardy falcon]

Yahh... I bet land will pick back up as we get closer to launch, similar to last summer

[bitter phoenix]

I’m conflicted about the t1s. If bp are viable then I will keep the all. If not I guess I’ll sell some

[tardy falcon]

Yah there's just so many unknown variables still... so who know reallly til we get more details. Still... gotta make some kind of educated guess.

[bitter phoenix]

I’m hoping to be able to play and earn from several aspects plus rev dis so maybe it will all equate to some reasonable side hustle money

[hearty cradle]

i missed the ama, TLDR?

[blazing ferry]

Tomorrow

[whole spear]

We have 50 questions or so

Not sure how many we get to

About 15 of them are zero related

[hearty cradle]

oh its tomorroe lol

[oak solstice]

Onry 15!!! 🤣

[whole spear]

ikr

I expected more

[narrow oasis]

I'm hoping that other 30+ questions and concerns gathered by Scrubadubdad and sent directly to Kieran, will be acknowledged and discussed in the townhall, as assured.

[weary bluff]

im trying to mentally prepare myself for disappointment tomorrow, ill also roll couple of joints, so yall dont piss me off so much : D

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/zen-gif-5626544

[hoary forge]

I am gonna leave. Don't need that .... Anymore. Really, make an idea and get embarrassed by Kieran.

[atomic cove]

don't leave us @hoary forge! Don't let this fade you, let's w8 for the team's proposal.

[dreamy cipher]

any good news for landholders?

[hoary forge]

I know. But blaming one for an idea is not great as an CEO

[atomic cove]

I don't think he was blaming you, there are good and bad ideas np in that. Your idea was pretty outlandish, giving all the remaining 80k plots to landowners seems pushing our luck a bit too much imo.

[paper lance]

idk why landowners had no auto registration on pb4

really useless land

[hoary forge]

Maybe but still you do not blame anyone for an idea. Not as the head of illuvium.

[cerulean steppe]

To @hoary forge defense: Yuga plans to give a deed to every current deed holder at the end of the OtherSide development. Basicall a deed on the other side.

[fair temple]

i think i was one of the first to come up with that as well 😛 But it was pushing it indeed haha
Totally didn't think it would happen, but would have been fun.

[atomic cove]

guys, what are your thoughts about the F2P landplots being equal to a T2 landplot?

I find it a bit awkward some1 playing for free having a better plot than some1 that actually bought a T1.

[hoary forge]

Isn't it a tier 3 right now?

[blazing ferry]

Agreed, I submitted a question about this because if any future end-game content is competitive between F2P and paid land, F2P will potentially have an advantage over T1.

"If F2P plots have production values equivalent to T2 land plots, could this create issues down the road for competitive features where FTP would now have an advantage over T1 land owners?"

[atomic cove]

this town hall is gonna be a juicy one 😛

[blazing ferry]

We'll see if they actually answer that though...and my 7 other questions 😄

[atomic cove]

I think it's time for more clarity overall

[blazing ferry]

I guess I submitted half of the zero questions

[atomic cove]

some questions probably were repeated

[narrow oasis]

From what I understood, it's not "equal" in the sense of production. It's only similar in the sense of layout or playability. I hope I understood correctly otherwise it's unbelievable really 😄

F2P should not to produce any fuel or BP Tiers 1 and higher

[full zinc]

Hello! I bought an illuvium land two days ago and have been progressing in the game. I'm really liking it, but now there comes a time when I need to climb several buildings and they all ask me for krypton, hyperion, solon (my land only has 1 lake since it's the lowest tier).
Can I only get one of those materials each day? or is there any other way?

[blazing ferry]

F2P isn't producing anything that can be sold right now. The concern is just that their element and fuel generation is far faster than a T1 plot. Could this matter in the future?

[narrow oasis]

You can use the converter buildings and/or the marketplace building to acquire the other fuels.

[narrow oasis]

The way I understand it, is that if their environment is closed, i.e. the "fuel" is like fake fuel or simply can't exit the F2P land, it doesn't matter.

[full zinc]

oh, thanks!

[atomic cove]

that would be the case if F2P plots have literally no utility. What would happen if training gyms, quest hubs, and other buildings with functions outside IZ were introduced?

The team IMO has made a clear mistake of not integrating F2P from the get go. They created the stage 0 regions with T0's for the OW and that's it.

Nothing beats a good game with a good progression system. Something that we're lacking in Illuvium. Since everything is gated by a pay wall.

[celest wagon]

I have an idea so that the value of the first 20,000 land sales remains high, we could say that the next generation 2 sales do not allow the creation of Blueprints?

[celest wagon]

nop 🤣

[radiant sky]

Considered sideeffects Like OG Land has to focus on blueprints longterm or value dropling massively, which means less flexibility and with that more boring Way to play and expand.
Or the value proportions between the Tiers being changed, since some are better suited for BP production than others?

[celest wagon]

it is discussed

[blazing ferry]

Not a bad idea, but I think options that don't split functionality would be more straight forward. Buyers wouldn't need to understand that not all land behaves the same.

[fair temple]

I guess you would just want T1 lands to be subsidiary plots of T3 or T4 holders to make up the difference of their reduced effectivity.
But otherwise you could give the T1s some kind of boost because they paid?

Like a secondary resource that increases the power of your PVP stuff? it would be quality against quantity or such. idk. But that could be a fix?

[celest wagon]

generation 1 =20 000 first generation 2 = 80 000

[celest wagon]

I'm not completely convinced of your answers

[atomic cove]

I'm personally against making fixes to bad game design. The ideal solution to me would be to design from the get go an holistic approach to the land system.

[radiant sky]

Okay.
Have you thought about Next Generations of Land are not able to sell fuel, but they can create and sell BP ?

If you think about that, maybe my answer is more convoncing 😄

[celest wagon]

Selling fuel is the basis of the lands that the blues print, no, I found this interesting to give this kind of advantage to the first investor in the land

I didn't think too much, I'll let intelligent people think about my proposal 😆

[celest wagon]

@amber atlas

[hearty cradle]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1229420814986772510

the revenue IIP is up

[oak solstice]

Cant talk in it cuz of wallet getting hacked a couple months ago and losing the little bit of staked ilv i had in it haha

[narrow oasis]

the revenue delay IIP***

[dire herald]

how do i register for private beta 4??

[oak solstice]

Will find out in 6 hours

[oak solstice]

The first come first serve bonus iip

[dire herald]

ok thx

[hearty cradle]

oops

[narrow oasis]

It's fine lol I made the same mistake

[oak solstice]

That iip chat now haha

[narrow oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-where-were-we-the-pit-of-despair-reading-stories-gif-16368557

[ancient nacelle]

Hey @hearty cradle I sent you a PM when you get a minute.

[fair temple]

Does the delayed launch of Zero have something to do with balancing fuel output with actual fuel demand in-game?

Waiting 1-2 months to see how much fuel is being used is probably smarter than flooding the markets or keeping the price at the upper rail right?

Is this partly to get a feel for the amount of fuel required in the ecosystem and then balance gameplay around it?

[sage bough]

That was my thought.

[fair temple]

You shouldve pinged me with those godly thoughts. Took me 2 months of getting back into the system to think of that haha

[radiant sky]

imo you can't say shit about economy until airdrop phase is over + a few months.
Like all the data you get during airdrop is highly compromised and most likely misleading

[fair temple]

So lets wait 8 months to launch Zero!

[ocean haven]

https://tenor.com/view/handsup-surrender-animal-gif-5704812322184961370

[hearty cradle]

it shouldnt be called "bonus" because that is landowners delayed revenue

[radiant sky]

there is no bonus

it's just the way of distribute the 5% that changes

[hearty cradle]

yea theres no bonus

[oak solstice]

That's what I'm saying, it would be a bonus if the iip was just written wrong and the DAO is eating that chunk.

[hearty cradle]

The IIP is keeping landowners 5% revenue in a pool.
and landownerd can claim that revenue by playing the game for 10 months

somehow an airdrop sounds better than playing for 10 months

[weary bluff]

now that we wasted this time discussing pointless stuff and everyone saw that there isnt actual compensation, can we go back to discussing how to push the zero faster or discuss delay?

do not get baited by numbers in example, there will be no such numbers in fuel revenue, this is nothing.

@whole spear can we check why i cant write in #1229420814986772510

[radiant sky]

you need to be verified token holder to write in there

[tardy falcon]

Anyone want to comment on the proposal just post comment here and someone can copy paste in the proposal thread

[weary bluff]

oh right, i forgot land holders were considered less than humans around here

well i cant link my binance acc to discord

[hearty cradle]

just send 1 ILV to your wallet and verify ser

[golden spoke]

landownerds is a great term. 😂

[hearty cradle]

lol fat thumb

[sage bough]

I feel like a lot of people are misreading the proposal. Could have been written better tbh.

If that's the case I'm sure it will be cleared up at the Town Hall later today.

[mortal mural]

hahahha im taking its a great term.

im just venting. sometimes the whole land thing was a huge mistake. and now we gotta make it right somehow.

[cerulean steppe]

It was the biggest mistake the DAO made.

[sage bough]

Just the timing really, would have been better closer to or after launch.

[cerulean steppe]

Even then: Land has no real purpose in Illuvium, there is no game that requires land. Without land and Zero everything else would still be working just fine or better and we would have saved us the risk of this half baked fuel economy.

[sage bough]

It draws in investment-minded folk, the idea of land generating passive revenues. Maybe worked too well.

But I expect perks will come along that benefit land owners in the other games.

[cerulean steppe]

Hm, it could also be the other way: All perks go to new games, because land was already sold to investors and they are just a few thousand compared to million other gamers.

[sage bough]

I think the goal is to have all the games in one big happy ecosystem. So a player can choose to only play only one or two of the games, but playing all of the games provides the best experience. That can include F2P plots, but in the same way players in overworld and arena will want/need to purchase fuel/blueprints, buying & playing land should be a reasonable step.

If/when the games reach a million players I'd expect more land sales, too.

[mortal mural]

this whole zero discussion feels like a land field. im often writing and erasing what im about to say.

is way too complex for me and feel like im sinking my time, and im very thankful others mind my interests for me. both council members and community members.

[cerulean steppe]

You are not the only one who feels like this. Zero and land have made Illuvium unnecessarily complicated.

[hearty cradle]

yes

[mortal mural]

imma just stop thinking about this. ill be fine with whatever we decide. i trust jag , ani and all the council members and the most fervient comunity members. if i ever complain take a screenshot of this comment lol.

[placid finch]

is it in favour of us land owners?

[hearty cradle]

hard to say

the IIP requires u to play for 10 months

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/a-little-bit-michael-che-saturday-night-live-lil-bit-a-bit-gif-15024532712384690663

[placid finch]

can u give me a summary

[hearty cradle]

some people might prefer without the IIP

[placid finch]

of it

what its proposing

[hearty cradle]

during a delay the revenue will be pooled, and u need to play for 10 months to fully claim it

[placid finch]

dang

play zero?

[hearty cradle]

yea sell fuel

[placid finch]

or the main game?

[placid finch]

but if zero is delayed

how we play?

[hearty cradle]

after its launched

[placid finch]

lol

how is that a win for us?

so basically wait 1.5 years more for any earning

[hearty cradle]

well if u actively play u will be rewarded

i guess

not rewarded but can claim yur missing revenue

[placid finch]

but after 10 moths from after the zero is release which is atleats 4-5 months delayed

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494

[hearty cradle]

u claim everytime u sell the fuel

[placid finch]

so basically after 1.5 years from now

we will earn something

[hearty cradle]

lol no

reas the iip

[radiant sky]

Already giving up?

[viral star]

join the cancel all future land team. We should keep the earning potential

equity not compensation!

[hearty cradle]

it will take some time to claim the whole missing revenue

[placid finch]

has the proposal passed or gone for revisions?

[radiant sky]

Not on that Stage yet

[placid finch]

when is it expected?

[radiant sky]

It most likely not even get enough upvotes to be on that Stage 😅

[placid finch]

lol

so whats the situation with zero?

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/drop-the-soap-gif-23778161

[placid finch]

we will be without earning?

until the game comes?

[tardy falcon]

Proposal on the left… landowners on the right

[placid finch]

lol

[little moon]

as the name suggests

[placid finch]

dang

i hope its not a rug

[hearty cradle]

Withe IIP u wont receive anything until iz launched

[ancient nacelle]

"Here I am, stuck in the middle with you".....

[hearty cradle]

withour IIP u will prob get airdropped revenue

[tardy falcon]

Some landowners are crafting an alternate iip

[hearty cradle]

its not lol

[placid finch]

the prosal does not have enough votes right?

[hearty cradle]

who knows

not yet

[tardy falcon]

Nop

[hearty cradle]

but so far ill vote no

based on sentiment

[placid finch]

where can i see the vote

[hearty cradle]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1229420814986772510

[viral star]

https://tenor.com/view/the-revolution-has-begun-area51-ready-to-attack-gif-15323378

[placid finch]

it says 10 percent of eth bonus

what does that mean

10 percent of what?

the pool'

?