🎮〕illuvium-zero

[weary bluff]

oh u paid 20000 $ for a land ? sure, take some fuel while we give your ilv to arena and beyond

[pure fable]

yeah just a soundeffect and maybe a blinking star in the corner would do it. Nothing where you have to click and what jump scares you everytime. I mean I was afraid of it popping up at some point

I had to talk to my therapist

about it

[tough field]

Devs are doing a great job. And ILZ has a huge potencial despite the fact that it has no relation to beyond game now. I also understand that it’s very hard to make everyone happy. But I agree with you that beyond is a game from the illuvium ecosystem. So it would be nice to fit it in the concept that all games use fuel. If beyond starts to fuel, landers can receive part of the revenue from beyond game. I think the most difficult part here is how you can fit the fuel concept on a collectionable algum card. Ideas will show up and maybe things can change in future

[weary bluff]

it doesnt need fuel, we just need 5% of the sales

we also dont need fuel bonus.

[tough field]

The whole ILZ concept was construct based on the fuel production. Receiving 5% of beyond revenue just because you hold a land does not fit into that ILZ concept. If you want to just receive revdis from an illuvium game, buy and stake ILV. The whole idea of ILZ is that his income must come through its fuel production/sale. We must keep this concepts, imo. That’s why I think the way to go is somehow use fuel in beyond game in order to land owners.

[tough field]

Again, I don’t know about any promise of 5% beyond revdis to land owners. I was off for a while. If that promise exists, I assume it is single bonus event. But I can’t confirm anything. What I heard recently is that land owners will receive a bonus soon (specially long term holders and active players). But I don’t have details about that, not even the source of this bonus.

[pearl marten]

#1196516944124334100 message
Beyond has basically evolved into a 'card collection game' if you want to .. but there's an entire topic on the matter... maybe it'll make more sense if you go through it

[weary bluff]

yeah, so according to this, the airdrop is NOT compensation , its not the 5%

[tough field]

Thanks.

@weary bluff according to this proposal, all land owners will receive 5% of all in-game revenues, regardless of whether FUEL was used or not. The solution they found for non fuel in game purchases, like disk sales from beyond. is to use 5% of money received (the DAO would do this) to buy fuel from the pool, which in short words would pay the land owners. It’s similar to the solution I proposed, except that they preferred the DAO to buy the fuel instead of the end player, to avoid forcing all games to use the fuel concept. Clever.

But it seems the discussion is still in place.

[weary bluff]

wym buy, they just print it

[tough field]

They would burn the fuel in the pool. The details of final tech solution seems to be in discussion yet

The main goal is to match to the fuel production.

[weary bluff]

smh 😄

[tough field]

The point is, to earn revenue for in game purchases, you must produce fuel.

[weary bluff]

im too high to think about that while playing valorant, but what i hear is they will take the money and give the money to themselves in order to fuck with the fuel

[pearl marten]

If they airdrop 1000 fuel and at Open Beta 1 fuel = 1$ then sell it and there's your compensation (numbers used are random)

[pearl marten]

I think you should start getting high using some other stuff than what you're using at the moment 😄

[weary bluff]

bubble gum

[tough field]

Not true. Try to understand how the fuel pool will work. For the fuel producers, there is no difference who is buying the fuel, the player or the DAO.

[weary bluff]

i mean, it would depend when they buy the fuel, cuz initially only t4 will be able to sell

[tough field]

Yes. The time matters, but it does not remove the fact that the money will flow to the land owners. Where did you get the information that only T4 will be able to sell?

[weary bluff]

because ive played the game

[tough field]

All tiers will be able to produce and sell fuel (except the free tier 0)

The difference between tiers is how much fuel they can produce is a period of time. Higher tiers can produce more fuel than lower tiers.

[weary bluff]

theres more to it than that, but still only they will be able to make profit

[tough field]

Only if there is no fuel producer

[weary bluff]

yes and if uve played the game ull know that on day 2, a t4 land has like 1-2 weeks worth of t1 progress

[grand silo]

just had a quick scrow through all your rants. What is your desired outcome and how would you recommend the team go about achieving it? seems like the team could get some direction to speed things up which would be helpful

[weary bluff]

all of them, really? 😄

[grand silo]

a quick scroll, not just todays as its been a lot lately

[tough field]

I ve played the game. I know about the progression difference between tiers. I agree with some things and disagree with others. Put my opinions at that time, but I also believe the dev team is working hard to make it all fair.

[grand silo]

outcome/recommendations?

[weary bluff]

ill have to devote too much time to be able to give perfect suggestions, but i can point out mistakes in ongoing stuff

but if theyre cookin something im more than willing to check out what theyre cookin and give my 2 cents , also im pretty sure theres very few people that understand the entirety of it, too much stuff happening and the info is provided over the course of 2 years.. but such mistakes are so obvious that it shouldnt be happening

[grand silo]

tip. all the constructive stuff is great Helpful for all of us. The emotional complaining however serves no one infact one could argue you are a drag on the project.

you ranting about 2yrs and investment amounts blar blar to be frank at this stage who really cares?. Does it change anything? nope. We will launch when we are ready and no sooner.

The sooner you put your big boy pants on, suck it in then let the team do there thing would be helpful to all since we all own land here

[weary bluff]

u didnt scroll far enough i guess, cuz one of the things i rant about was the launch of arena

[grand silo]

whocares

[weary bluff]

no thats definitely not how it works, the team doin their thing is what got us in this position.

[grand silo]

like I said

solutions please? you seem to know

the sooner you accept things are the way they are and everyone is doing there best the sooner you can stop the ranting.

but hey, you want to play the victim card cherry picking. I have time, lets play

[weary bluff]

there are investors like you that dont care and they wait until somehting magically happens and others that care and are invested in the project beyond money

[grand silo]

magic aye

[analog inlet]

That only passed one council still has not been voted in on Main Council.
Until then it is **only fuel **as the current "wording" needs to be clarified I submitted a IIP to clarify the wording. Here #1198686621701259294 message
I have attached the PDF. As for the person you quoted IMO I really don't think they understood the concept of what they purchased and have also tried to explain it to them here. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[grand silo]

I wonder if cloaking is still on the cards so others cannot view our base

[analog inlet]

thanks not as active as I used to be because ...reasons.

[ancient nacelle]

What have you got that needs cloaking??

[grand silo]

the entire plot

[vivid cipher]

MAXIMUM Efficiency

[vivid cipher]

No

[ancient nacelle]

Yeah but why?

[severe sparrow]

Do we think the fuel airdrop will be higher if we have more fuel in the Alpha?

Or just a certain amount per plot?

[fierce fern]

i switched from daily to monthly checking and then to several months checking...
Whats going on at the moment do we get to play soon or next year?

[teal mural]

I spoke to a VC today, and his comment resonated with me. "Building three games in three years simultaneously seems too good to be true."

It definitely does, and the same comment will be made about the launch airdrop we do.

You were warned.

Airdrop baby

🔥💪🏿🔥

[harsh dew]

Aidrop = bad, suspicius or scam most of the time.

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[radiant sky]

When i heared first about it, i thought it was a nice idea to airdrop fuel.
But the more i think about it, the worse it feels.
On one Hand, you can sell it after Launch, so it's basically Kind of $ we get.
On the other Hand, it totally messes up the early game, where low Tier had to wait and build up fuel production, to really get everything going on. With an airdrop of fuel that isn't really the case anymore. Especially thinking about buying multiple builders, it seems the gap of Progress between high and low Tier gets thinner with a fuel airdrop as a reward.

[clever comet]

but I think with out airdrop, also we can buy fuel on the market...

[radiant sky]

Not for IZ as far as i know

[clever comet]

From IZ you can only to sell? not to buy?

[radiant sky]

Yes, if i remember right it's a one way street

[clever comet]

I didn't know this...nice

[radiant sky]

Maybe it changed and didn't got shared.
Could also be a reason why they thought fuel airdrop is legit 🤷🏻

[teal mural]

Understandable but they could make so the fuel they drop can only be sold this way everyone still have to grind it out and we have fuel to put in the pool

[heavy hamlet]

I'm sure Scoriox has some videos or you can also sign up for the Polemos Forge for their ILZ tutorials

[cinder grove]

Personally not a fan of a fuel drop. An ultra rare useful NFT for all long term holders that also gained 15 BP would be a nice. I know it will be a lot of work to create something like that as each should have own design to make it very rare. So probably won’t happen.

But if that happens, it shows a lot of respect to first time landholders who are also active and care

[vivid cipher]

It's always been my understanding that things like fuel can't be moved back into the iz game after it's been minted

[radiant sky]

Yes exactly. Mine too

[vivid cipher]

This idea sounds a lot like a land nft to me.

[vivid cipher]

In-game progress would not be impacted if land owners received an airdrop of erc20 fuel tokens. It would likely change how the fuel market was initially supplied at launch. It’d still be super beneficial to be quick to progress your lands. I don’t see a significant change there.

An even split of fuel between all eligible lands would add weight to lower tiers. But there’s little reason not to have a tiered weight for the fuel drop.

I feel like I must be missing something, what is it?

[bitter phoenix]

Doesn’t it just flood the early market with fuel and make it worthless?

[vivid cipher]

Fuel value is always going to be based on demand. Land owners ought to have expected to have a hand in fuel prices.

My worst case tin hat scenario is that the airdrop provides the means by which the land owners can prove their incompetence forcing the council/team to take stricter control of fuel markets.

I won’t be selling fuel for $0

It’s possible that such “discounted” prices to be able to play #🎮〕illuvium-overworld would be nice.

There is fear that land owners won’t have enough fuel to sell into demand so land owners won’t get their 5%. Providing more fuel supply to land owners directly addresses that.

If demand is too low there’s no way for an airdrop of NFTs to fix that. Land owners likely have already experienced the impact of super low volume and understand what it means when attempting to sell their assets. Erc20 tokens scale much better into low demand situations than NFTs do. Regardless of fuel price land owners that are selling their fuel will be able to get 5%. Maybe those land owners undercut the market and reduce their profits but that’s on them. It’s also the game they bought a ticket to play.

[radiant sky]

I'm not too much in dev Stuff, but imo there are 2 ways to drop it. Either you spawn it on Land as Kind of a Start Ressource or you drop it into the wallet.

If i remember right how developement of fuel pool Stuff got leaked, with drop into wallet as an erc20 token you can't sell it, just use it in overworld
If it got dropped as a starting Ressource it messes up early game ingame economy.
I don't Like both ways, but maybe there's other ways to do it i haven't thought of.

[vivid cipher]

Oh goodness yeah. If you got fuel erc20 airdropped but could not sell it then there’s little point. And in game fuel airdrop is a progressing skipping mechanism.

[cinder grove]

Was more thinking in the direction of an ultra rare Illuvitar beyond NFT, but more out of the box would be even better, like a NFT for the blueprint for a rare car when the race game is created, landowners are the only ones who can make cars and long time owners will all have individual BP’s for these car designs. Or a fuel production increase NFT that you can merge with the land NFT and make your land more valuable or you can sell the NFT before you merge. Or any other cool and valuable NFT’s

And they promise that they will do something like this for all 4+ year landowners every two years. Will reduce the selling and make land very valuable

[blazing ferry]

Yes, still waiting on clarification how they will do this. Waiting on that next Johnny AMA!

I think you're right on though

[radiant sky]

No point in doing another ama/townhall until we got out Hands on Beta gameplay or they announced prices with production numbers etc.

[blazing ferry]

I think it should be in a live stream

No reason they couldn't do that now

[radiant sky]

I guess that could be a compromise 🙂

[blazing ferry]

My response to Johnny's poll on a game update. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

not sure we've heard anything since the poll though

[fierce fern]

but is there a valid roadmap
cause at the moment it feals so lost

i thought we can play Land now but as it looks like there will be a ahalf year of nothing

[radiant sky]

Don't think so, stuff like that needs time.
I actually don't think it needs too mich time giving US the Beta Version they are playing, but who knows. Maybe it's more of a hustle than i'm thinking

[blazing ferry]

Yeah, it would add a lot of extra effort

With very little to gain

[radiant sky]

Yea looks Like. Updated roadmap ist usually End of a Quartier or beginning of the Next Quartier. Wouldn't expect anything sooner

[radiant sky]

Wouldn't say that. Alpha Version was unbalanced af and had missing stuff. If we can expect the same from Beta... GG
First changes would come far into open Beta, better See that Stuff asap

[blazing ferry]

I hope they don't require community input to balance a city builder....

[radiant sky]

Obviously they do

I mean they do some great Stuff, but missed imo some crucial things Like;

• Element sink
• t3 landmark
• fuel output ratio between tiers
• ress Transport between plots not ready
• etc.

[blazing ferry]

At this point they've heard community feedback on these and will either agree they need to be addressed for open beta, agree they need to be addressed in a later release, or disagree that these are issues. Another alpha release won't allow us to give them improved feedback

[radiant sky]

Not talking about Alpha, talking about a Beta release if doable prior to open Beta.

[blazing ferry]

on chain?

[radiant sky]

Not necessarily, even tho Johnny talked about a possible testnet release some time ago, so why not.

[blazing ferry]

If it's not on chain yet, we're talking the same thing. Testnet release would be good if it helps them validate some things, but not if it's only to placate the community and gather a ton of feedback they're in no position to do anything with ahead of launch

[radiant sky]

Why should they be in no Position to do anything before Launch? There's plenty of time to change stuff

[blazing ferry]

It's too late if they're releasing in Q2. No way they should add scope now. Feature freeze should be wrapping up by the end of Q1, so then just QA and fixes until release.

[wicked horizon]

Been trying to go back and read but struggling, what did I miss? Some big news that everyone is panicking about?

[blazing ferry]

Not really, just excited for launch coming up! Also Kieran mentioned a possible airdrop for land holders who have been hanging on since the land sale or at least a long time and those who played to end game during the alpha to help with testing, so speculation around that

[radiant sky]

For sure too late for adding scope, but definetly not for tweaking numbers.

[open gulch]

I’ve seen people talking about getting rewards for maxing out our plot. If it’s true, what’s considered maxed out??

[wicked horizon]

Yeah would definitely be nice for land holders to get a reward that seems warranted

[tough field]

Can someone give me a brief explanation about this fuel airdrop some of you are talking about? Is that a single event/promotion devs are planning for the game launch to cover the initial OW fuel demand (since the lands will be on low production capacity at the very beginning)? Is that a mechanism to redistribute fuel production by the DAO in the the cases where the land producers are unable to supply the 5% of the fuel demand? I appreciate if someone can get me update on it. I was off for a while and returning now, so I am trying to catch up the latest news

[left onyx]

When are plots going to reset?

[vivid cipher]

So there’s been very little information shared about it that I’ve seen. I hear it was mentioned in an ama video. It was first mentioned in a vague way only here. #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

Unknown. Though it seems likely that the reset would be at the time the game is publicly launching.

[slate geyser]

Is there any point in playing zero alpha now ? Or should I wait for the next release/reset?

[tulip perch]

T5 land sale sell it to that redbull sally wag 😉

let him build a F1 Track in Crmison waste

[timid robin]

Is concept of megapolis (adding extra boost) still planned to be realized?

[empty path]

Do you mean megacity?

[timid robin]

Yes

[pure fable]

I hope not since people who played 100+ hours on multiple plots but didnt fully maxed them out would get screwed this way

[ancient nacelle]

Not really as the would be aware now if they are still active continue to chip away at there plots. I had a break for awhile then minted BPs and being getting my buildings to max levels since.

[empty path]

https://x.com/KieranWarwick/status/1756295932331876791?s=20

Kieran.eth ♊️ (@KieranWarwick) on X

Limiting our mobile game to 20,000 players will soon be a thing of the past.

Gear up for the biggest GameFi airdrop in history.

Twitter · Feb 10, 2024, 12:35 PM

[cerulean nest]

I'm a bit confused about trying to market ILZ to f2p - I may have missed something but I see very limited reasons why anyone f2p would engage with ILZ as it is currently? If that's accurate, is it wise to artificially inflate initial playercount with an airdrop incentive when the game won't be enjoyable to f2p users and they will stop engaging immediately after this incentive is taken away - this is exactly the kind of thing that I believe web2 people detest about web3.

I know the touted idea about adding in pvp etc. but that's honestly going to be years down the line right?

Seems as it's taken years to get to, what f2p people will see as a relatively limited basebuilder. Albeit a very intricate one, for the purposes of web3 integration, but f2p people aren't going to care two hoots about that.

[empty path]

Since we have no idea what he means with that tweet, we can only sit and wait. It was never supposed to be limited to 20k players since you have f2p plots.

[cerulean nest]

Yeah, I assumed f2p was there to avoid people feeling excluded, but those people would at least be interested enough without a load of hot air in airdrop form. It just feels very artificial to me. And the constantly expanding scope with the products never being quite ready or perfect, leading to delays - I just feel very jaded by the entire thing at this point.

Reactionary scope expansion for overworld from palworld. Is this reactionary scope expansion for ILZ from mavia? What next?

[empty path]

😅

[cerulean nest]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the engagement farming marketing silver bullet that is airdrops - but the product has to be able to stand on its own afterwards - do people think ilz can do this for f2p?

[teal mural]

The air drop is just for land owners. Why would F2P get anything

[cerulean nest]

Kieran is laying the hype-groundwork for an additional airdrop, likely for anyone who simply downloads and plays ilz as f2p, echoing the tactics of Mavia recently.

The difference is that Mavia has an engaging gameplay loop for f2p people, whereas ILZ does not - which I hope I'm wrong about?

Anyway, I don't mean to sound overly critical - just my two cents from a straddling web2-web3 sentiment perspective. I suppose hot air is the essence of all marketing, and web3 will do what web3 will do.

[cerulean steppe]

Sounds like special F2P land dropped to existing land holders, who can then give it to their friends or social media followers. Maybe also some revenue sharing from F2P micro transactions with existing land holders?

Maybe I am biased, because I have always dreamed of it, but I also don't see another way to make sense of Kierans statement.

[cerulean nest]

I suppose that's a possibility, but I've never thought of f2p land being an nft - seems like a massive barrier to entry that will dissuade a very large amount of potential f2p players.

[cerulean steppe]

Not if NFT and wallet are hidden by Immutable Passport.

[cerulean nest]

But the act of having to acquire the nft in order to play can't be hidden?

[cerulean steppe]

If I can send a friend a referral link that installs Zero and includes the F2P land in a newly created wallet behind the scenes ?

[cerulean nest]

I suppose, it would need to be untradeable though otherwise the entire notion of f2p is undermined

As if it has even the possibility of having a value attached to it it's no longer f2p and long-term it's not going to be acceptable to force assets onto people without their consent

Seems as I have had to pay income tax on airdrops...

in which case, it seems pointless to make it an nft, other than as an egoboosting web3 self-handshake

[hearty cradle]

ur missing the point.
the point is we can pump the numbers and post bullish tweet

[cerulean nest]

Oh no I get that entirely, I question the wisdom of doing so

[hearty cradle]

cant raise fund and pay salary with wisdom ser

we need hype and numbers

[cerulean steppe]

The whole income tax thing is a problem for sure. But as long as you don't sell the airdrop... At least in my jurisdiction airdrops are free.

[cerulean nest]

Yes I understand, but if there's no engaging endgame or loop for f2p other than airdrop, they will take a very dim view of ILZ going forwards, that could have a lasting impact?

[hearty cradle]

its obvious

[cerulean steppe]

We will see. It just came to my mind when I saw his tweet. Maybe it is something entirely different.

[cerulean nest]

Long may that stay the case in your jurisdiction, in UK we are taxed on income and taxed on sale (as capital gain)

[hearty cradle]

sorry nda

[cerulean nest]

Well I mean clearly I'm hoping there is something currently NDA that we're not aware of. I just pray it isn't going to add another year to the timeline

[hearty cradle]

team is cooking

[teal mural]

F2P does make sense to start the same time as ours because they need to build up their land so they can get the resources to play in the free of overworld. Just like when need to start early to get resources to sale to the pool for paid players to play overworld

[cerulean nest]

I think i've been out of it for too long, what resources from ilz are used in overworld, other than fuel, which definitely wont be available from f2p?

[radiant sky]

None

[teal mural]

That what I mean fuel

[radiant sky]

F2p fuel is just used in IZ

[teal mural]

And they will use fuel but it won’t be on the blockchain

In one of the interviews he talked about to in the loop play

[radiant sky]

You can't use fuel out of your f2p plot for anything else than upgrading your Buildings on your plot

[teal mural]

Yes as of rite now but when the game start free to play has to generate fuel so they can play in the overworld and collect t0

[hearty cradle]

we can make T0 fuel

useable in ow t0

if u wanna force people to play iz

[cerulean nest]

I don't think that sounds like a good idea

[teal mural]

We will see, I’m telling you he said this in an interview explaining the loop play. Unless they change it

[hearty cradle]

we def cant give T0 the real fuel

[teal mural]

It’s not real fuel

It’s just the free to play version

[hearty cradle]

then the airdrop worth zero

[teal mural]

T1 and up use real fuel

[radiant sky]

If you Make people play IZ in Order to play OW in Order to be able to play Arena for free, onboarding people gets Hard af

[cerulean nest]

Forcing people to play a type of game they hate, in order to progress in the game they want to play - sounds pants

[hearty cradle]

sounds like arena

[cerulean nest]

Well that's the problem with overworld becoming the main thing, when I joined it was all about the autobattler

[hearty cradle]

was it

[radiant sky]

It was

[hearty cradle]

bbbut the arena is in sanctume mesa ser

[teal mural]

Long ass OW is crazy fun with the updates then ppl will play IZ to play OW because IZ don’t need much play time

[cerulean nest]

Oh it was so simple in those days, autobattler was the proposed game, overworld was a simple way to acquire illuvials - no frills. Beyond didn't exist, ILZ didn't exist.

The scope exspansion on this project is one for the history books

Anyway we're digressing here lol

Me with my optimist cap on says it's all going to pay off

[teal mural]

For the ppl that don’t want to play IZ shit make them buy off blockchain fuel for a cheap price which gives use more money. And then they will want to buy fuel from us to play T1 runs up

Yeah we goin to be good🔥💪🏿🔥

[atomic falcon]

can i still find illuvials if i scan?

[radiant sky]

Illuvial biodata, yes.

[atomic falcon]

Thanks - do you have any info on the airdrop they keep talking about

[radiant sky]

No, community knows not really anything about it.
Guess we have to wait until we get Info on that from council

[atomic falcon]

I’m excited been playing zero for a while

[arctic needle]

Hello

[lusty crag]

This is quite a bad joke, in my opinion - the way Kieran hypes it up on Twitter, but we do not even know anything about it.
Let’s see if the hype he‘s creating stands up to the announcement about it.

[radiant sky]

We will see if it was a smart move 😄
If it really is such a big airdrop it's worth catching attention. If it's not, the dissapointement for sure is bigger than it would be without hyping.

The thing about open it to more than the 20k landplots... Wouldn't be surprised if he got a dm from Johnny, sorry ser not possible atm without totally screwing priority list for IZ 😂

[glossy ruin]

So to interrupt is the priority list a thing?

[radiant sky]

What?

[glossy ruin]

"priority list for IZ" ?

[radiant sky]

It was said f2p is not ready for open Beta, so i guess other Stuff has to be delayed in Order to get f2p running

[glossy ruin]

ok thanks for that 👍
Hopefully the airdrop is for land holders 🤞

[sonic junco]

Anyone looking to sell a T2 land hmu. Shooting offers rn

[little moon]

check out postings here - #🛒〕land-dex

[sonic junco]

Thank u ser

[wispy prism]

The reactionary aspect you talk about is completely untrue.

[cerulean nest]

In regards to expanding the scope of the intended open beta release it's not

Of course the talk has been there about all of these additions for ages

[split sail]

Anyway to mint the blueprint? Been playing for long time but haven't been checking discord

[radiant sky]

Minting window closed on feb 3rd, ser

[split sail]

undortunately have not been around discord lately...

[weary bluff]

so whos gonna explain the latest mess they have made

so i can catch up

[bleak prawn]

do we know when lands are getting a reset ?

[shrewd flax]

there will be a reset???

[cosmic spade]

^^

[shrewd flax]

ser?

Our lvl in illuvium zero will be set to 0?

[cosmic spade]

the hole land will be reset

[shrewd flax]

what does that mean

[cosmic spade]

nothing is on the land than and you have to rebuild everything

[shrewd flax]

WTF

this has to be a joke

who is responsible for this?

@radiant sky is that true ser?

[cosmic spade]

this is not a joke and was always clear communicated

this is private beta

we are not on the blockchain at the moment

[shrewd flax]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepeexit-exit-pepe-exit-angry-gif-19807528

[cosmic spade]

lol

[shrewd flax]

It would have been clear if there would have been a notification about it inside the illuvium zero application

[radiant sky]

I think they discuss to keep the biodata or the blueprint data, can't remember exactly. But yea, everything else gets wiped

[shrewd flax]

Im deeply disappointed about that. and not motivated to grind it back

you can tell that to the boss if you see him

[shrewd flax]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-pepe-laptop-crying-pepe-laptop-gif-24151788

[radiant sky]

It was always communicated Like that.
We are in testing Phase.... Everything gets resetted before open Beta Launch(more resets until we are there possible), so everyone gets the Same chances when we Start.

You can't let it stay, because there might be exploits etc. People abuse during the testing phase

[shrewd flax]

At least record the lvl before the wipe and give the same amount to them in form of these yellow tokens. The ones that can speed up things.

Maybe you can propose this idea

[radiant sky]

Bit late for that imo
It would also be a bit of an Overkill.
You can't give people thousands of Speed up coins. Would totally Messe up the early/mid game and they also wana sell those coins

[rotund forum]

Anyone have any hunch for how much a Tier 5 would sell for? If you look at the difference between tiers my best guess would be anything above 32 eth, but given their rarety and the tournaments ability it will probably be a lot more, maybe starting at 100 eth?

Anyway, I am not sure what it means that they can host a tournament. There are tournaments being hosted right now and T5 isn’t even out yet, so what is their added value exactly?

[rotund forum]

I doubt we will get those, they don’t want us to reach endgame that fast (except if someone is willing to pay a lot and create revdis for the rest). Giving fuel would make more sense as there will be a few months with scarcity until the bases start harvesting sufficient to actually sell (remember you need fuel to level up some buildings first).

[radiant sky]

Yea, i also never understood how that really should work.

[hallow dagger]

Hi friends, I have Tier 1 land, when can I sell my blueprints and multiply again

[radiant sky]

You can sell them already.
Don't know what you mean with multiply

[hearty cradle]

lol ur a good sport

[weary bluff]

😂

[idle parrot]

is now a good time to buy land?

like is it cheap right now?

[hallow dagger]

How can I sell and how much are all the blueprints and data worth?

[radiant sky]

You can't sell the data, just the minted blueprints.
Idk, last i checken was arround 2-3$ probably cheaper now. You can Check on illuvidex, link is in #🔗〕helpful-links

[tardy falcon]

Was cheapest last summer... but currently not so bad either... not as high as mint and a little lower than the average over the past 1.5 years. Imo not a bad time to buy as things lead up to launch might see prices rise as ppl wanna get in. But wtf do I know... nfa

[grand silo]

I fkn love Zero. gm everyone:)

[ancient nacelle]

Definitely quieter in here since mint window complete. I guess waiting is the name of the game atm.

Or wait for the FUD... gates to open... Any takers?

[vivid cipher]

I see what you did there

[late grove]

Any news on the next season? I’ve been away for a while. Weeks? Months? Years?

[vivid cipher]

Would be months according to the roadmap. It would be the public launch. Sometime in q2

[late grove]

Darn, back to hibernation I go, wake me up if this game ever comes out.

[glossy ruin]

guys I built up one of my plots before the BPs got released now thye have all been reset.
Q: Will they be reset again or can we actually start building reserves that wil be kept for open market sales/use etc....

[radiant sky]

Will be reset again, at least once. (Prior to open Beta Launch)

[weary bluff]

so with 54 people on the team why isnt there anyone thats summarizing things up and posting in announcements

i dont even know whats the latest shit to rant about

thats unacceptable

[empty path]

It's posted in the pinned messages

[reef jasper]

too ez to complain without using resources

[teal mural]

It’s pointless now anyway, The best move is to wait to see what happens and if we don’t like it then we take over the council and push what we want. It is a DAO after all. We have the dev’s and the foundation ( no matter what anyone say they are amazing) just need to push the rite direction. But I think they will surprises with something great

[weary bluff]

no thats different stuff, im talking about the large scale fk ups

[weary bluff]

i get the feeling that we will get destroyed with some announcement soon, they keep doin questionable stuff and now with latest bs about fuel and airdropping stuff to randoms... im not sure how bad itll become if they screw up again, we might live to see people burning lands to protest : D

we might be bullish on the games, but the project is trollin us every chance they get and theyre about to get more chances with upcoming releases

the project was super promising and i hate to see what they did to it , so we must face the inevitable before they destroy the project itself and go down as the biggest flop in web3

cuz thats where we are headed atm, the downtrend has been insane.

[reef jasper]

literally praying on our downfall..

https://tenor.com/view/all-these-flavors-and-you-chose-to-be-slaty-youre-jealous-why-are-you-salty-why-are-you-jealous-the-situation-gif-17203331

[pearl marten]

Prophet of doom strikes again 🤣

[unkempt bronze]

I have to admit i get tired of reading your messages. They are all the same, negative and boring.

[cinder grove]

I didn’t hear any constructive feedback yet or ideas, also not when someone asked you what should change in your opinion, but if you have any feedback, there is a feedback post group in this discord. Let them hear all your ideas. I think we all heard what your emotions are in the previous days, noted. Let’s move on.

[barren barn]

Have we received any info regarding the reset for zero? Last I heard it would be possible this month?

[radiant sky]

No, no official announcement yet

[livid tinsel]

God... this guys keeps dropping floor everytime ETH go up. What we gonna do with them ???

Im about to panic sell

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/panik-kalm-calm-meme-memer-gif-20895926

[heavy hamlet]

You can just buy off the market if you don't want to play OW

[finite lily]

Hello everyone, Illuvium zero doesn’t work, how can I fix it?

[reef jasper]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1108308385138479124

[finite lily]

already tried, nothing

[reef jasper]

give them a solid 48 hours, im sure they will help

[finite lily]

it just hangs on endless loading

[cerulean nest]

That conversation was in relation to the idea of f2p fuel which wouldn't be on a marketplace.

[heavy hamlet]

F2P fuel being farmed in F2P land to play F2P OW does sound like ass

[cerulean nest]

Haha you said it

[next juniper]

When was the last time you played? Maybe you never downloaded the newest version they put out where you can mint the blueprints?

[vivid cipher]

Did you open a ticket on the website with support?

When was the last time you went to the website and installed a new game build? Just use #🔗〕helpful-links

No one legitimate will send you a dm or invite you to a different discord server.

[cinder oasis]

I minted 3 of my 5 blueprints and I can’t mint the last 2. It also says minting window closed, am I missing something? I thought I could mint 10 blueprints

[hexed abyss]

Was the minting window closing date announced? I probably missed it, but been playing hard for a few weeks to get the blueprints and now can't mint 5 of them 😢 . Also if the game was going live tomorrow I wouldn't mind, but I'm gussing no. OK, no more Zero for me until live...

[tough field]

Closed at 03 Feb 2024

[vivid cipher]

Blueprint minting window… (using localized discord timestamps) from Nick. #💬〕general message

We have a product deployment scheduled for tonight (<t:1704272430:F>) which contains an infrastructure change that sets the Start & End Time.

Starting: <t:1704315617:F>

Ending: <t:1706994017:F>

Provided no issues (and I wouldn't expect any) this will be the case.

#📣〕announcements message

[chilly ravine]

When comes zero in Epic Games?

[autumn hill]

No one knows, no info yet
Open Beta will launch in Q2, so maybe then
This is only an estimation from my side, though

[fathom iris]

So, that means all my hard work, 5 plots of land, multiple blueprints in 0.2.2 ; but nothing minted and now... "minting window closed" ... they're just, useless now all of a sudden ?

[heavy hamlet]

There was months of lead up to when the minting window was open and when it was closing. The amount of people without enough sense to pay attention to information that effects their investment is incredible here

[cerulean nest]

Don't worry about it, they're worth almost nothing

[vivid cipher]

You should contact #❓❓〕support using the website or email address shared in the #❓❓〕support channel if you had attempted to mint but it failed.

[quiet hare]

What would be better at the moment, buying land or ilv ? 🥂

[true rampart]

considering buying a land to play zero

can someone give me a tldr of the prons of holding land and playing zero

apart from the fuel generation

[nimble lichen]

the x factor on land imo, is there will be a supply shock due to the groups buying up large amounts for the rentals(won’t be selling on launch)…

should make land prices run up pretty high before there is more supply of land

[true rampart]

dont really care about the price ... you can get a better return just holding ILV

im curious if it gives any in game advantages/rewards

apart from fuel

any airdrops or something ?

[vivid cipher]

Blueprints

[nimble lichen]

exposure to blueprints which is a lottery

[true rampart]

so its fuel and blueprints ?

[nimble lichen]

pretty much, there’s been talk of airdrops to get the ball rolling but no real details

[radiant sky]

And dye's

[true rampart]

airdrops of what ?

[nimble lichen]

we don’t know.. possibly fuel people have suggested

[true rampart]

ah ok and is it for all land holders or is there some criteria to be met

[nimble lichen]

i think the Mavia model people have pointed out is great for on-boarding people into the ecosystem

i mean it is zero

[true rampart]

so no real info atm only speculation

got it ... ty for the info

[nimble lichen]

a lot of speculation based on small pieces of info

[radiant sky]

It's said that time of buy and reaching "endgame" are criterias for the additional rewards

[true rampart]

yeah got onboarded into mavia and the game is super fun and smooth

cant go wrong with a chill phone game

[true rampart]

what does reaching endgame mean ?

some sort of zero misison called endgame or ?

[radiant sky]

Nobody knows

[nimble lichen]

the numbers are on mobile so makes the most sense

[true rampart]

so buying land today would only secure the base airdrop of fuel if it happens

and bonus fuel will be only for people that bought way before

[radiant sky]

Not really, if you buy now you probably get nothing or almost nothing.
There were leaking Info about 2 rewards.

• 1 for longtime holders (point of time of your buy is criteria)
• 1 for playtesting the game (reaching endgame is criteria)

[jaunty rain]

sounds reasonable 😶

[radiant sky]

There actually should be more Info about the rewards this week. AT least Nick said that.

[true rampart]

aha that makes sense ... valuable info ty

[livid tinsel]

Do you guys check this??? The biggest airdrop on the history of the gamefy... it is huge 🔥🔥🔥

[real ice]

so i was paying and minted all blueprints for my 2xT1 and 2xT2 but i sold because i wanted to get T3 land and i bought,and thinking for T4,so for all that i was playing everyday i do get rewards or nothing because i wanted to get better land?

[polar cosmos]

what does it mean: reaching endgame?

[radiant sky]

Nobody knows

[junior hollow]

hopefully it means getting all 15 bps, cause that's when most people stopped grinding

[polar cosmos]

My highest level was 670, when is endgame?

[radiant sky]

Yea, played 1 or 2 plots a bit higher.... Rest stayed at 15 BP's

[radiant sky]

Nobody knows.
I oersonally would consider endgame when everything is maxed out. But that's vmcertainly not the case for rewards 😄

[mystic grove]

Any estimate about each fuel prices? 👏🏻

[radiant sky]

Nope, also not how much fuel a Stage needs

[quiet vector]

Friends, will the lands be reset after the beta?

[radiant sky]

No, before beta

[pure fable]

what does this mean?

[ancient nacelle]

I pushed my plots to lvl 1000+. I figured that it shows decent commitment to testing the game plus getting all buildings to max. There are plots that have gone alot highed but there can't be many.

[sturdy thorn]

hi team

[fervent slate]

Is this referring to ZERO?

[vivid cipher]

Oh that’s one way to get t0 plots to people.

Maybe.

I’m not actually sure what he’s referring to

[craggy bison]

Has there been any mention of the rental system at all ?

[teal mural]

This is an great question!!!

[teal mural]

Shit I’m only at 600 to 700 for all my plots trying to max out but I work a lot🤦🏾‍♂️

So you should be more then good

[iron veldt]

What does this mean?

Will we get an airdrop?

[ancient nacelle]

I have no idea. Imagine "endgame" was lvl 2000. The team would have some very salty and upset T1, T2 AND T3 holders.

[livid tinsel]

Looks like, he is talking about lands.

[livid tinsel]

That would be great...

[livid tinsel]

It is what i thought. Who knows. Lets see.

[iron veldt]

20.000 that must be us

[livid tinsel]

Yep, i have the 0.01 of lands

[iron veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-waving-gif-10469145330196716351

[ancient nacelle]

You have 200 plots? Big dawg!

[teal mural]

Yeah the truth is people didn’t go as hard this time and just did enough to get the blueprints since everything is getting rested anyway

[ancient nacelle]

Yeah, that was me also. But then when the talk of airdrops came up I was sure there would be some milstones that would need to be reached.

I also like round numbers so 1000 made sense to me.

[thin roost]

anyone have any lands for trade?

[radiant sky]

#🛒〕land-dex

[paper lance]

illuvium-zero rewards

[cinder grove]

I would be surprised if end game is anything else than 15 BP, as this was the end game in Alpha

[teal mural]

I agree and I been playing to trying to lvl up

[grand silo]

hoping for this too

[terse sable]

Johnny, could you make a chart of boosted effect for megacities? For example, make a 2x2 or 3x3 with T1, T2, T3 qne T4 plots and list the increase or boost in fuel and element production for each plot and sho a landmark with it? For example, If there is a T1 with carbon, silicon and hydrogen and Crypton, it made 1 unit of each element and 1 Crypton. A T2 with 2 carbon, 2 silicon and 2 hydrogen, 1 solon, 1 crypton, and 1 hyperion would make 1.333 times each element at each element site and 1.333 times crypton and hyperion and solon. A T3 with 3 carbon, 3 silicon and 3 hydrogen and 2 crypton, 2 hyperion and 2 solon with a elemental landmark for carbon would make 2 for each of the landmarks of hydrogen and silicon but 2.2 for the carbon element on each site with 2 solon, 2 crypton, and 2 hyperoion at each fuel site. A T4 with 4 carbon, 4 hydrogen and 4 silicon (and 3 Crypton, 3 Hyperion and 3 solon) with a Hyperion Fuel Landmark would make 4 times the elements at each element site and 4 times the Crypton and Solon but 4.4 times the Hyperion because of the landmark. Please say what each Tier (T1, 2 3 and 4) ould produce if it as in a 2x2 megacity. IS there no increae production in the T1, T2 or T3 sites other than the 33%, 100% and 300% for the Tier level. Why pay the exorbedent price for a 2x2 or 3x3 for only having less builidings and same data? Wasn't it stated before the first land sale that there would be a geometric additive or multiplicative progression of each of the sites for production over the standard? There should be some boost in the production of all the Tiers from working efficiently and being part of the Megacity. (not just storage or buildings) Could you look back at hat as "promised or stated" as to what as likely to occur for the Megacities? I paid 2-3 times the price for a 3x3 to get each of them or barter ith others that sniped them.

[narrow oasis]

I agree with this. As far as I know, there are no other structures or features past the point of being able to acquire the BP. They also let everyone know that there will be another reset before Open Beta, further emphasizing the discouragement of playing further.

[orchid ibex]

I am not getting levels in Zero anymore did something change?

[fierce fern]

At the moment it looks like Land is a very bad investment
Almost all of the coins are growing meanwhile Land lost value in the last month.

How d you guys feel about that.

Everything could be over end of Q2 and... Q2 means most likely end of Q3

So just wondering were ILV will stay in 2 months compoared to ETH
and were Land will be
If you loose value in your spot and Eth is growing you have the Problem that are some guys selling there spots in USDC

[junior hollow]

chasing the pumps is pretty dumb. if you don't have any faith in the game, then sell and go after the other coins. if not hodl on to your lands. with all due respect, no one gives a f what you do with your investment

[prisma swift]

Is there any risk to giving my password out to another person who will play for me?

[teal mural]

The land will make it move during the peak of the bull market like other land did last cycle. So for now the plan is the make money paying the game and when it’s time sell the land if you want or keep it to add to your monthly income. Once the illuviuals start attacking back and then we get multiplayer when are goin to but more then good

[teal mural]

Finishing all the goals. the last one I see is getting the material lab to level five

Which is a lot of work😅

[vivid cipher]

No. Not really. You still control the wallet. Don’t give them the keys to the wallet.

[pure fable]

I really like your approach to the game

[pure fable]

but someone could reset the plot right?

[lusty crag]

Will land plots will be reseted a little earlier then OB so we can ramp up fuel production for launch?

(so we would be able as land holders having our own fuel ready for OB)

[vivid cipher]

lol I guess that’s true.

If you give your password to someone that is out to troll you

Or someone exceptionally stupid

Or maybe just with poor English skills

Hopefully the reset button is removed soonish

Land Utility and other valuable infographics

[lusty crag]

Imagine you build up the base to a point were it's easier manageable and someone resets it mistakenly xD

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-21789210

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-looks-like-youre-out-of-the-job-youre-out-of-the-job-fired-youre-fired-gif-19428763

[grand silo]

wait till those T5 blueprints are up for grabs and we start getting a few sales.

[golden spoke]

Does anyone have some rough estimates on how much fuel a t-1 , t-2, and t-3 can make currently?

[barren turtle]

T-1 about 220/day—— T-2 about 450/day——T-3 about 900/day

[golden spoke]

Appreciate it, now I just need to wait until they announce how much over world runs will cost.

[radiant sky]

The output numbers will Change a Lot with the new Updates coming

[little moon]

To the upside or downside?

[radiant sky]

Nobody knows

Out of community at least 😄

But most likely to the downside

[velvet hornet]

hey guys... any news about when the next stage of the game will be live?

[radiant sky]

No news on that yet

[amber atlas]

I think that's something players should work out for themselves.

Nothing has been formally published about megacities production rates, and I don't think anyone has ever committed to any specific formula. Its definitely not geometric nor exponential and has never been that.

[amber atlas]

We are also kind of stuck waiting for pricing decisions from council, as the production has to be adjusted to match the max price of Fuel.

Fuel might be max cap price of 1c or it might be $1. Zero numbers will have to be multiplied to match once economy team and council comes to a final value.

(final in the sense its what we will launch with, nothing says IIP can't change that value down the road)

[amber atlas]

Sorry been a bit lax on news since the Town Hall.

We've seen how well Mavia has done, and Kieran really wants to push f2p forward. So what I've tasked the team with is coming up with an f2p scope that can be delivered to Open Beta timeline (or earlier) without impacting schedule.

(previously we had put non-f2p as first priority, f2p to follow)

The big open question is what, if any, features do we need to add to make the game interesting for f2p users. The game revolves around generating value (Fuel and Blueprint NFTs), without that why would an f2p person play? I think there is some merit to just enjoying collecting blueprints and facts... the completionist angle, but its also valid to say this is not enough.

(Personally I loved Dragonvale and it has been a big inspiration, it doesn't have raids or battle and yet is still fun).

---

Also less be clear this is not about deprioritising land holders, if we can get a million+ f2p players, some percentage will want to transition to holding land which will surely impact price for the better.

[heavy hamlet]

Scoriox made some k8nda spreadsheet in one of his videos recently

[amber atlas]

Some ideas thrown about for f2p:
(these are jsut ideas, and I'd love to hear yours too)

• Tier 0 Blueprints, some way to make some kind of low value NFT from free play
• Raids... either the simple version I've described in the past, or a more invovled version ... but this wont help us short term as its not going to be done in a week or two
• More collection elements
• Some kind of Beyond integration
• Leave it as it is, despite being 'unfun' people seem to spend hours and hours playing the game ..

[radiant sky]

I bet. I guess it's Hard to balance, especially if you do it this Way. If you raise output numbers, Building cost in IZ also should increase or you Messe up the whole land developement Speed.
Don't you balance from the otherside? Like increase or decrease fuel needed for a run?

[amber atlas]

Balance from both sides, but the macro decision of Fuel price needs to come to set the boundaries

We can still balance without this, its just a multiplier effectively, but it is a pain 🙂

[radiant sky]

Lmao i thought he is going to poke you.... Messing with the whole priority list 😆

[amber atlas]

Its not much of a divergence, f2p was always planned, and the core features are all the same, just a little shift

[vivid cipher]

T0 blueprints that are in single use maybe. Or something.

I’m trying to understand how there would be t0 skins anyways. They’d be pretty simple I’d guess. And paying even a little to have to get a colored set of armor seems like a weird thing

[radiant sky]

Never played Dragonvale.
Imo you have 2 ways to go, either Make it very social including pvp/pve/cool/guild Stuff, or you go Like Sim city Route where you enjoy Building a complex city having to balance everything out, and build optimal to get a bigger, cooler, more beautiful looking city than all others... Both Systems worked well in the past.
But i feel social aspects and some Kind of pvp is needed these days for f2p enjoyment

[amber atlas]

I think long term pvp is the direction it will go. Some kind of opt-in raids system. But I'm not confident we can do that in Open Beta timeline.

[vivid cipher]

Makes sense for sure.

People like the idea of getting stuff. But they also like to battle

[amber atlas]

...Totally unrelated but Ophisto PFP is very cool...

[radiant sky]

I feel you can't leave it as it is. I feel a Lot of people who are playing now, looking forward to possible additional rewards.
T0 BP sounds very interesting and also Like a somewhat easy approach, since Systems are Set up and you just have to bother the Art Departement for even more skins 😆

When it comes to pvp, i really enjoyed the mechanics of summoners war, where you have a Team of heroes( in this case could be illuvials) where you Battle 4 vs 4 Turn based. You could also implement consumeables you can equip and being triggerd automatically in fight. Would connect it more since you use Stuff people have to Farm in OW, would increase the demand and you could as they did guild wars where you have to out a defensive Team other guild can attack.
But that would obviously be far down the road, if ever.

[little moon]

You could have the f2p players use the fuel they generate in OW with a limit cap of how much they can use.

[pure fable]

maybe you can make it in a way that you have to sign something in your ETH wallet to reset plot. But it is not very important to implement now I guess

[amber atlas]

Pretty interesting idea, but also fraught with risk. Bots will bot whatever they can, and if we give the bots a (free) on ramp in to being able to play Overworld with travel to non-free areas it could be pretty bad.

Definitely worth thinking on some more. Maybe its highly restricted, but still more than 'normal overworld f2p'.

[little moon]

Bots are everywhere. Anyways, you do have the captcha to login. That may restrict most of the bots if not 100%

[amber atlas]

You can pay real people to solve captchas (really cheaply). Fighting bots will require a full time team. NFTs make it particualrly hard becasue banning means nothing if they manage to get the NFT minted.

[little moon]

Or you could introduce 2 factor sign in for f2p plots

[pure fable]

One question regarding 'end game' of plots. Why would someone who owns lets say 10 plots play every plot to nexus 9 and all buildings 9?
It makes sense to max one plot because you wanna test it (I did this in last phase before blueprints were a thing).
But I really hope people like me who played 20 plots to lvl 400+ don't get left out of rewards 🫡

[amber atlas]

In any case anti-bot discussion is way out of scope for this chat. Will definitely take the idea to the team.

[little moon]

Yeah, crooks are always a step ahead of us

[amber atlas]

Becasue we wont just stop. We will introduce new features, new structures, and they will have higher and higher requirements. Maybe a space station needs level 15 Nexus.

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/office-dwight-dwight-schrute-the-office-gif-7503670389037255308

[pure fable]

Yes but I am talking about the upcoming rewards for landowners.
I will not play all my 20 plots to lvl 1000 before the next wipe just to farm an 'end game' reward now.
BUT I will happily play my plots to max after the wipe

[little moon]

So, it's decided endgame would be to maximize to LVL 9?

[pure fable]

no it should not be IMO
it is not clear what endgame means

I hope just rewards for players in general

[little moon]

Yeah, I thought so

[amber atlas]

There is no reason to max 10 plots in Alpha (other than your own sense of completionism). The alpha was never intended for this and the only Alpha reward was the Blueprints.

[pure fable]

happy to hear that 🙂

because I maxed some plots in the last phase and won't be maxing my plots now to farm a mystery reward

[amber atlas]

We might tie some future, pre open-beta, rewards to gameplay, but it would be on the beta stream code base not the alpha.

I can't say if every detail of any future rewards or drops would be released, that's a marketing thing, but I think for sure we would at least let you know that its tied to playing if its tied to playing.

[pure fable]

got it 👍

is there any public info about the 'airdrop' Kieran tweeted about?

[amber atlas]

I mean there's been some brief discussion of some of the ideas for it here, and the details are now approved by council, it is imminent.... but there's nothing formally published and there won't be until the drop.

From a safety perspective to be clear: there will be no need for you to go anywhere, or attach your wallet, or sign anything.

[pure fable]

very good, connecting feels always bad.
Especially connecting to see if you are eligible ^^

[vivid cipher]

Ah! T0 land can use fuel to “purchase” t0 shard fragments. And possible other t0 materials from overworld.

Time is money. And those t0 overworld things definitely take time to collect.

[pure fable]

My take on the whole Illuvium Ecosystem is currently that Arena is great and ready, gameplay is really good.
But Overworld and Zero really have to evolve faster.
Especially Overworld since I am fine with Zero being an Economic game in the beginning mostly.

Beyond should take no energy and time+money from the team imo.

not saying it is bad.
but the only thing that matters right now is getting Overworld to be awesome

[vivid cipher]

There could certainly be new assets that could be what the f2p land owners get. But I like avoiding adding new things to the number of different assets when possible. The core loops and assets seem to be in place. No need to add side assets when the f2p land players can get access to some of the core assets that are part of the already existing loops.

[pearl marten]

Crap .. honestly i'm again dissapointed in an ILZ announcement - not that that's a surprise lately and not targeted towards you Johnny. I personally am 100% against towards giving f2p players Blueprints of any kind (T0s do sound okay -ish though). I don't understand this sudden change - of course we all know if Kieran plays something that he likes he might want to implement features from there - which fundamentally is not wrong if the game is good, BUT IL Zero was never meant to be Clash of Clans right?! ILZero, to put it as simple as i can, iss supposed to be just the 'interface' of land owners to generate fuel.

We've been waiting for news about those whatever rewards or anything for months but now just because a new Clash of Clans is on the market we want to shift and make it a priority. Yes i do understand that it might be a plus and it could attract new players, but honestly we don't really know - because if you give f2p players raids for example and want them to convert into real land owners they will expect to have this feature also on the paid land - and personally i'm 100% against raiding in ILZ

[amber atlas]

I mean the shift is minor, "hey guys can we shape the current Beta stream workload so we can do the f2p release first without impacting timeline of Open Beta"

as to any new features being in or out of that f2p build ... that is definitely not announced, we are just looking for ideas and feedback

raids will be opt-in, for free or paid players (it could be a strict "opt in" button, or slightly more subtle where we use a new resource and structure types for raids... if you don't build them you can't be raided... think something like 'letting down shields' ... you need to do it to raid, but you also make your self vulnerable by doing so)

[pearl marten]

Idk i was expecting another type of announcement i guess and i can't be constructive at the moment - sorry for that, but to try to reply to your question yeah maybe T0 BPs after all won't hurt and it sounds like a decent idea and some social interaction feature would work i guess also.
This all to me seems to add more complexity and workload which is not towards Open Beta.

[amber atlas]

What kind of announcement?

The airdrop is imminent, days at most.

[pearl marten]

Whatever about the rewards system ... a new wipe .. a new test .. some new integrations .. progress etc

[amber atlas]

Releasing the Beta stream early is very related to an f2p release.

One of the good things about f2p version that doesn't generate value is that we don't have to be overly concerned with cheating.

(i.e. the version we were hoping to release early to land holders could potentially also be released as the f2p version)

I'm watiing for dev teams analysis but I expect we end up with an 'early access/next' version that IS server connected, for example it will store your structures and activities, but doesn't have every server connected validation.

Of course if this is only going to be doable 3-4 weeks before Open Beta we might as well just wait for Open Beta... hence waiting on dev teams analysis.

[pearl marten]

Maybe a really enticing 'feature' would be the possibility to give F2P plots to generate some kind of material/resource using a late game building that would allow them to make 1-2 travels/month to a Stage 1 ? But as you said, by giving value this opens the gate for cheating. It would have to be very well balanced or thought of i suppose.
Maybe that Stage 1 run they get would have a limited sset of Tier 1 Illuvials via a rotation system for example:

1. Every 10 days of harvesting that material you gather enough for 1 xStage 1 travel
2. Every 10 days that travel would have Tier 1 and T0 illuvials - maybe 50% T1s and 50% T0s -
3. Every 10 days the T1s would be limited to a few in a rotation system (Atlas/Archie/Kukka for the 1st run, tatopee/Rota/Ti-ru on the next run etc)

[amber atlas]

I defintiely like the idea of gating it to Stage 1.

Maybe with further limits as you suggest (certain tiers/stages exlcuded from possible encounters for example)

Plus it encourages people to get in to the other games.

[pearl marten]

Yep nothing too crazy in terms of value such as Holos and Rare materials and yes only stage 1 and it can have only T1s Stage 1 ... it sure has to be more refined but you got the base idea

[next juniper]

I used to play this game called Entropia Universe a long time ago… that game has a real money economy. In that game you couldn’t do anything without spending any money, hunting and mining cost real money because weapons/ ammo etc costs. Anyway, there was one thing that game did to make free players earn a tiny bit however. You could use this device to collect sweat from the dinosaurs and creatures in the world. The creatures could attack you when you were collecting their sweat so it was not too easy. The sweat collected was usually sold to crafters who needed it to craft certain things in the game. People would sell them in like stacks of 250 or something. However, the value of the sweat was very low and essentially determined by the crafters who needed it. But free to play players could earn a tiny bit after many hours of accumulating the sweat. Since the sweat was only used by the crafters, it really didn’t affect the economy and allowed f2p players to earn if they dedicated enough time. Something like this could be used. People could earn some type of resources that crafters could use and the crafters would determine the value overtime. Sorry for the long post. 😞

[amber atlas]

As long as we dont call it sweat 😉

[radiant sky]

What if they get into a something Like a t0.5 where the least captured t1s1 illuvials spawn?
Also ofc Like torrex said once or twice a month. Not only you have an onboarding effect, it also doesn't hurt the bonding curve of the adored illuvials and it somewhat balances out the offer diversity in the marketplace

[wind bolt]

hey does anyone have a link to where I can find out how much each extractor extracts at each level of the building?

[fervent slate]

It would be good if the value of the land would increase.
If it goes down, please don't do it.

[amber atlas]

one sec let me get my crystal ball

😛

[nimble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22827303

[tepid hazel]

Gm

[vivid cipher]

@tepid hazel

This post has 7 no 8 infographics that cover most of what land is for

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[honest willow]

I reckon it would be nice to have some mechanic for f2p people to travel to stage 1 region in ow. It would motivate people to play zero and give them chance to try out stage 1 regions, which would likely lead to purchasing in ow if they nice the experience

[hearty cradle]

is the proposal going through ICC or just IMC?

[hearty cradle]

i believe giving P2E to T0 will definitely attract more players into the ecosystem. i am all for pivoting to web3 market.
the questions are

• how good are the skins from T0 blueprints? are the T0 blueprints going to dilute the T1+ blueprints?
• are the T0 bp good enough to entice more adoption? as we can see the price of alpha bp is $4. the T0 bp value should be much lower

[tough field]

These are not really f2p ideas, but here are some simple ideas (maybe easy to implement) regarding IL games integrations (including Beyond integration).

1. For OW and ILZ integrationIn OW, there is a bonding curve that helps illuvials to become harder to find as more people find and capture that illuvial, right? That same bonding curve should also affect the % chance people has to scan and find its biodata in ILZ. In other words, as more people capture Rhamphy in OW, the harder it is to scan and find its biodata in ILZ.

2. For ILZ and Beyond integrationOnce we have the biodata, we need to research with it to produce the blueprints, right? The idea is to be able to increase our changes to produce a blueprint by holding illuvitars of that same illuvial from the biodata. The more different illuvitars of that illuvial I hold, more chances I have to produce a blueprint. How much my chances will increase can be discussed. Illuvitars power points can also be a factor for my blueprint success rate. So rarer and more powerful illuvitars matters. We can also put rules like the longer I hold the illuvitar the more it affects the illuvial blueprint success rates.

3. Just another ideaTime and year season could influence locations and chances to find an illuvial, both in OW and ILZ. Ex: Quinx can have a slight better chance to be found at night and in the last quarters of the year. Maybe we can use blockchain timestamps to make sure about the time and year used in the game and bonding curves (to prevent players from cheating the game clock).

[still wadi]

is Alpha over and theres a new season? What can we get on the new season?

[lapis gulch]

Leave it as it is, despite being 'unfun' people seem to spend hours and hours playing the game ..

I spend 8 hours a day going to work... It doesn't make it fun.

[still wadi]

can we get something if we play now?

[lapis gulch]

The blueprints might be still mintable. Not sure.

[radiant sky]

• Blueprint minting window closed.
• could be that the blueprint data get transitioned to Beta
• rumors about rewards for reaching "endgame", but nothing really known about that.

[still wadi]

ty

[signal jewel]

Hi Johnny, any ideas of having a notification system for getting ahold of other land owners to purchase or trade lands? There is a plot of land I would like to buy but I don’t know how to get ahold of the owner. Looks like they currently only own land. Thanks! Hope you have a great day!!!

[orchid ibex]

Why is my T2 land no loger leveling at 797 but my T1 land continues to level?

[jaunty rain]

you are probably still leveling but a lot slower due to the increase of needed experience for higher levelups

[fierce fern]

So i have to admit that i thought we will get the Game after 3rd february.

Now i am really wondering who came up with that minting window and then dont have a Game for almost half a year.

We have this worthless blueprints now and playing is just a waste of time

Solutions
At least give everyone the Chance and say what "endgame" is.

Or airdrop every Land in a wallet.

With this 0 comunication at the moment prices will drop to all time lows again

But maybe illuvium Zero means no comunication

[fierce fern]

A hug feels good thanks bro but everything about this last 2 years is so weird.

The Land sale was so smooth with so many good ideas.

Endless waiting

Then you get a Game which was just expected fine.

And so more waiting time.

Blueprints

And now i think i have to wait again 1 more year.

Maybe i need more then 1 hug

[vivid cipher]

Shouldn’t be a year. June is the last month in Q2. That’s only like what four months away.

[radiant sky]

Totally feel you, been waiting since sale aswell.
AT least they think about dropling Beta in "test-mode" so we can get a feeling for the new mechanics.

[glad relic]

In q2 i will b able to get revenue from my lands?

[vivid cipher]

If illuvium is selling fuel in q2. Yes.

Which it should be.

[glad relic]

Omai

Thanks bird

Take a fish

🐠

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/pelican-angry-bite-gif-25461149

[deep granite]

more scam crap i assume?

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[vivid cipher]

Yes. Scams

[deep granite]

it seems to be listed under the same address as the gamestop disk plates. advanced scam?

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[vivid cipher]

I’ll take a look

[deep granite]

havent heard anything about this but yeah definitely under same contract address so its interesting

yep its also on the illuvidex so i guess its legit lol

[vivid cipher]

Oh goodness imagine that.

[deep granite]

did we miss an annoucement?

[vivid cipher]

My guess is they did not announce it to prevent scam versions going out.

It does indeed looks legit. The contract does not lie.

[deep granite]

a lil fuel boost for the lads it seems

[vivid cipher]

And the IlluviDex would not have them in the UI if it was not legit.

Yep. Fuel NFTs. As I predicted years ago.

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

https://tenor.com/view/smart-brain-gif-24918687

[spring jetty]

t3 is 135?

thats crazy

t5 is what 1000?

[deep granite]

t5 is the unminted tournament lands

[vivid cipher]

Doesn’t exist

[spring jetty]

why

this is fuel right

[deep granite]

t5 lands havent been minted yet no one owns any

but ye thats is a fuel package or something

[pure fable]

where can I find these NFTs, on Illuvidex?

[spring jetty]

I dont think this is final, since Jonny just said they are waiting for the council to decide like 2 days ago

[vivid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/shell-game-toki-gif-18073399

[spring jetty]

there is gotta be a t5 fuel, but 1k is a bit extreme

[pure fable]

it seems like these are already airdropped?!

you can see the owner of each NFT

[spring jetty]

wut

[radiant sky]

That's the Way how fuel gets Sold no?
You pay 15 bucks and depending on how expensive the cheapesr fuel is you get a certain amount of fuel.
Unpack it and lets go ow

[spring jetty]

oh you are right

I have some

[radiant sky]

Hmm...
Why is there a $ price?

[vivid cipher]

It’s the value it will have when used

USD value

[radiant sky]

To Make it Look worthy?

[vivid cipher]

It’s not actually fuel

It’s an nft replacement for fuel

[radiant sky]

So it's usable but not sellable

[spring jetty]

after 2years got close to 500$ worth of fuel. I have mixed feelings lol

[vivid cipher]

It’s an nft. Do with it what you want.

[pure fable]

I hope that is not the airdrop Kieran was talking about xD

[vivid cipher]

Looks like they go straight to wallets.

[spring jetty]

yep, I have the option to list it

[true cradle]

why if i have two lands i have only one of them?

[vivid cipher]

Probably just be patient. They are still minting a bunch

[radiant sky]

List it for 2k... Easy 4x 😆

[spring jetty]

are you buying lol

[true cradle]

oh ok

[spring jetty]

boo

[amber atlas]

Yes its legit there will be announcement shortly.

[fervent slate]

Wow! I'm looking forward to it.

[random siren]

It's already in you Illuvium account 😁

[fervent slate]

I checked, but there was none.😭

[random siren]

I had to refresh my account page, it showed then disappeared and then reappeared

[fervent slate]

There was!
But it doesn't match the number of Land.

[winged lynx]

i got one for a land that i minted but none for 1 i bought. Maybe its only for the lands you minted that you get an airdrop?

[fair temple]

I sent one of mine to my other wallet so that someone could play on it. shouldve held onto it xD

[random siren]

nope I got some for land bought, it might have had to been a long time ago. when did you buy the land?

[winged lynx]

yeah probably lol

[random siren]

are remember they did mention someething like that

[viral star]

where do we see them

[amber atlas]

they are still minting, almost done, announcement will be immediately after mint finishes

[radiant sky]

https://twitter.com/djsamwithers/status/1758273705950765360?t=VblZdQDE8cC2HSsFr4hQFw&s=19

Sam Withers (@djsamwithers) on X

🚨AIRDROP TIME!🚨

Hey Illuvium Zero Land holders 👋
@illuviumio

👉Based on the tier of your land plot, you will receive one of four unique NFTs.

🌟Eligibility Criteria🌟
Air Drop 1: Each wallet holding land at the Snapshot time will receive one Tier Adjusted Fuel Crate per…

Twitter · Feb 15, 2024, 11:34 PM

He faster than announcement 😂

[vivid cipher]

First to market

[blazing ferry]

Hey Johnny, thoughts on this? #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

Or you guys figure something out for sure yet?

[whole spear]

We wanted to make sure everything went smooth and finished before we announced

[amber atlas]

Some quick FAQ on air drop:

1. This is not the big ILV drop Kieran has talked about recently, this is the Zero drop we have been talking about in this channel for 4-5 week.

2. What does the dollar amount mean?

---

The redeem mechanisms have not been finalised and are open to community discussion, however the current plan is as follows:

• The Fuel Crates will be redeemable either as a direct Fuel transfer to your Illuvium game account/wallet OR used to create sell orders in the Fuel Exchange.
• Fuel crates will redeem for their dollar value a the max Fuel Price Cap (same value shown to buyers in the Fuel Exchange as per IIP).
• Fuel crates will give an equal amount of each Fuel (viable alternative you can pick one Fuel type)

---

...
3) Ahhh I'm not sure any other questions?

[fair temple]

Air Drop 1: ...
"the first Airdrop"
👀

[amber atlas]

No comment 😛

[fair temple]

air drop 69 is immanent.

[random siren]

will announcement clue us in?

[radiant sky]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-zero-alpha-reward-fuel-crates-rewarding-our-landowners

[atomic cove]

noice

[radiant sky]

Max fuel price cap? O.o

[amber atlas]

I'm not sure what your question is

Guardrail Introduction: A top guardrail or ‘maximum price’ at which unlimited fuel will be available will be set via future ICCP.
IIP-39

[blazing ferry]

This is the fuel price before discounts are shown?

[hoary forge]

Did this go through Council before or wasn't that needed?

[amber atlas]

IIP-39

[hoary forge]

I mean the Airdrop

[amber atlas]

Yes. Was resented to council a long time ago, and they approved.

[hoary forge]

Ok thanks and THANKS

[radiant sky]

So we don't get Discount for reedem if price of fuel is lower than Max CAP?

[neon light]

Is that land fuel airdrop the biggest airdrop in web3 history that Kieran mentioned or will the historic airdrop be something else ? 😄

[blazing ferry]

Sounds like it, not sure why that would be though

[amber atlas]

In case you missed it:

To simplify the buying process, and ensure it always (almost) instant when a user buys Fuel they buy at a fixed price.

Their order however is fulfilled with the sell orders (which must be at or below max fuel price). Unless all sell orders are exhausted in which case they buy from DAO at Max Fuel Price.

The buyer is then shown that they got the amount of Fuel they paid for plus "bonus Fuel" (which corresponds to the difference in price between sell orders and max cap).

[blazing ferry]

Oh yeah "bonus fuel", was thinking discount but same thing

[amber atlas]

---

Basically to a buyer it just seems like they buy Fuel and get it instantly and they get bonus ... 'yay'.

But underneath its still using the order book to fufil orders (unless there are literally no sell orders left).

[tulip perch]

dont think this was the biggest more to come me thinks but this was probably the quickest got mine before the Announcment ....lol

[amber atlas]

Yes. The consideration was that having these redeem for an unknown amount of Fuel is too volatile/risky for our early launch planning. But as I said this is not 100% locked in, we can discuss an adapt.

[blazing ferry]

makes sense

[radiant sky]

It just feels(psycological) like more of the side of "use it" instead of sell it, because price of sell shows lower than what it is marketed now as soon as the first dude sells fuel.

[amber atlas]

Its just a fixed amount of Fuel.

Thats what we wanted to do. Its just right now without a max price cap being set by council we couldn't publish the fixed amount of fuel.

[radiant sky]

Yea of course

[amber atlas]

Anyway I'm on leave, I'll be back in a few days 🙂 @whole spear or @bitter glade or @noble quest or @dusty cobalt can help with your questions I'm sure.

ciao 👋

[blazing ferry]

Enjoy!

[livid tinsel]

So what about the airdrop for playing the game is still coming? On another batch???

[radiant sky]

It says airdrop1, so i guess there is at least one more coming

But that's just a guess

[rain coyote]

Hi, does it mean that with a land lvl 1 the fuel cap is set at 15usd/day?

[radiant sky]

No

[rain coyote]

We have any info about that?

[radiant sky]

Nope

Not even sure the Team knows yet 😄

[rain coyote]

lol i hope they does since the beta shouldnt be far away

[wispy prism]

See here #🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[wispy prism]

Enjoy your leave.

[wispy prism]

❤️

[tulip perch]

just need IZ to go on chain then we know its coming soon

I thought IZ was going online first to ensure enough fuel but maybe this airdrop is a way to ensure there is enought fuel

[wispy prism]

It will happen. I'm just going to keep playing while I wait. So I get an idea of max level progress. Even though I know the rates will be different.

[wispy prism]

Maybe. I think it also allows us holders to start using it in the game straight away.
Plus you're probably right too as I don't see any reason why people with large holdings won't be able to sell some when it goes live.

[tulip perch]

I can already feel it in my bones Openbeta coming when Im on holiday in singapore and I dont have a PC ....might have to buy one there if it does drop when im on holiday

[wispy prism]

I assumed, and it's a big assumption. That ilvlabs will sell fuel until the market fills up enough to start churning.

[radiant sky]

I guess most are selling until price decrease to a certain amount of "Discount"

[wispy prism]

Omg yes need one. I agree, everything seems like the standard ramp up marketing of Illuvium

[radiant sky]

They sell Unlimited fuel at max cap anyways.
There can't be a shortage of fuel

[wispy prism]

Probs. That's to much mathematics for my head. I need a dumbies version. So I just do what I see can be done at the time.

[wispy prism]

Yeah i was answering more to Fubahs questions.
I always say assume when it's something I don't 100 percent understand. Even then I'd probably say assume. Everyone perceives information differently.

[gentle grove]

When should that be know I mean q2 is coming up soo

[radiant sky]

Now you know 🙂

[wispy prism]

Thanks.

[nimble lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-gif-25269017

[livid tinsel]

I thought the same

[wispy prism]

Johnny is on leave now need to tag others. See above for who. It's not many messages.

[teal mural]

What lvl of land you have

[vagrant steeple]

I think it's a good idea that the airdrop is fuel. It does not negatively affect the token, the lands, it is useful for those of us who want to play the game.

[timber sapphire]

i like that we finally get something but i dont really like that the snapshot was taken yesterday. Landsale people are way longer ago seems kinda weird

[high sleet]

Im not loving this airdrop... like 1m missed opportunities and its going to make generating revenue much harder than it would have been :/ idk just something feels off

[tardy falcon]

Well... it does affect the lands. Because now that an airdrop has taken place for landholders then it automatically devalues the land. Some landholders could be inclined to sell land now that they have something to keep. And the buyers won't be getting the airdrop. Those sellers also could set prices lower in order to move the land.

Evident in an immediate drop in land prices if you check in relation to the past few days

[high sleet]

Yeah u gotta do airdrop dates for the future

[spring jetty]

1,1,2,4

[livid tinsel]

Same feeling 🫠

[white field]

When will we be able to make skins with our blueprints?

[snow hatch]

only 22.5Fuel can make 24hours for T1Land
and 29.9X3 T2Land?
Stage1 travel fee is 470crypton S3 4500fuel...

[high sleet]

Travel costs etc in the overworld beta are completely random numbers

They cannot be referenced in relation to land. All these numbers will be changed drastically when Open Beta hits on both ends

[snow hatch]

so Q2 OW travel fee is not sure yet?

[high sleet]

The IMC has been discussing. But it has not been revealed

Supposedly they aren't far away

Johnny was actually trying to hold out before even making this airdrop announcement by the sound. But figured they can be separate events

[snow hatch]

thanks got it Travel fee is CORE THE GAME

[high sleet]

Yeah nothing agreed upon yet

[vivid cipher]

Sure. But it’s also made up numbers based on made up numbers.

[teal mural]

I wonder when the snapshot was taken

[paper lance]

huwow.fuel airdrop.they sure about this?LOL.

[paper lance]

seriously, i have never seen a land this useless.

[teal mural]

You got a drop for each plot of land in your wallet rite?

[paper lance]

500$ assumption for those 4 lands?

[shrewd dagger]

So for the fuel airdrop u just wait for it tondrop in your wallet?

[teal mural]

So I got the same reward for holding since mint as someone who just bought 🤦🏾‍♂️. Well free is free

[paper lance]

hahahaha.

[timber sapphire]

yeah this feels kinda bad

[white field]

mine already in my wallet i check on illvidex

[paper lance]

and then those who just bought, can sell their lands now that the crate will be airdropped directly on wallet.

[timber sapphire]

yeah and land prices will drop

[paper lance]

come on illuvium. definitely you can do better than this.

or is this just one of those projects that will be overtaken by new bloods?

[twin grove]

@paper lance got nothing better to do.

[paper lance]

how about dropping it at the start of the open beta?so people hold lands.

[fossil galleon]

Sheesh the whiners are in force today. Thanks Illuvium team. Looking forward to hearing about the other airdrop for “end game”.

[coarse wave]

gm! LFG AIRDROOOOOOOOP

[radiant sky]

looks like, yes

[teal mural]

@weary bluff is going to have a field day with this 🤣🤣🤣

[radiant sky]

at least dao is not missing much of revenue right after launch, even if everyone would just use it and nobody would sell.

[tardy falcon]

At this point I’m happy to get into ow right away (:

[radiant sky]

but... but... who is playing your land then?
or did you already list it now? 😄

[tardy falcon]

I still have 6…. Almost a mega city… not planning on selling

But I could see some people might want to based on the airdrop

[paper lance]

is dat. 15$ max value for 1 t1 land?

[radiant sky]

it's the value the crate holds you got for a t1

[paper lance]

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-11734056932374068596

[teal mural]

🤣 na the point is, this wasn’t the best move. It would have worked out better if it was dropped rite before the game started. An extra builder now that would have been cool

But free is free at the end of the day, it’s more about ppl now might start selling their land

[radiant sky]

probably too expensive to airdrop a free builder 😛

[paper lance]

not to mention,people who was there day 1 just got that dust lol.

[vivid cipher]

If they do they’ll start to miss out on the airdrops that are likely upcoming still. But of course we do not have any sort of confirmation that there will be others. Just talk about other types of airdrops.

[teal mural]

I do understand T1 quantity is higher but value is lower

[marsh sage]

The quantities across tiers are aligned with the roughly expected production strength of the land plots. So the intention is to keep things inline there, not related to quantity of land plots in anyway

[teal mural]

Yeah, will be nice if the plots of land that I need to make my mega city come down in value they want around $2000 a pop for the tiers 1’s

[marsh sage]

We would have preferred to use actual production numbers from Zero players but the current build allows for too much security risk to be able to trust those numbers so had to settle for tiers

[radiant sky]

security risk?

[fickle goblet]

Wait just snapshot doesn't matter when you got the land? Need to backread how this happened lol

[radiant sky]

so production ratio of 1:3:9:27 is what is going to be the new ratio for T1:T2:T3:T4?

[marsh sage]

We can’t guarantee with the current build that the production of zero players is legitimate so we can’t actually drop real fuel based on that. Those systems will be finalized before launch but weren’t in place for this season of zero

[radiant sky]

😄 team is cheating to test beta?

[harsh acorn]

I feel like a dollar an hour respects a gamers time and money. So if fuel can be based around that ideology mass adoption can occur

[slate geyser]

How does the paths work? When I place a path around my building I don’t see or notice any improvements ? Can some provide some guidance ?

[radiant sky]

note that paths will get a rework for beta version.

[cerulean field]

air drop 1 probably there’s another for other qualifications

[fickle goblet]

There's multiple confirmed? Or just wishful thinking

[marsh sage]

The snapshot is used to determine who had lands as of that time for the airdrop. When they were purchased doesn’t matter

[fickle goblet]

Yes but we got under the impression it was about loyalty

How can they reward loyal supporters who have been there since the beginning and give the same reward for people who got in last week

[cerulean field]

kieran mentioned it cant find it ath the moment but it is something 1 is for thank you and the other one is for something else.

[fickle goblet]

Okay thanks I rest my case if we get multiple

[primal wagon]

this?

[cerulean nest]

Pretty sure kieran is not referring to a second land holders airdrop there

[marsh sage]

Many people bought at many times over the past couple of years for a whole host of prices and different durations. Everyone that is holding a land plot as of the snapshot was doing so before knowing the details of this airdrop so is a loyal holder. We intentionally didn’t do external marketing and announce the dates to avoid having farmers come in and game the airdrop meta. This is going to members of our community, not value-extracting tourists who will just pick up the land to farm the airdrop and dump it right after.

[marsh sage]

He’s not. In that tweet. The announcement is worded as it is for a reason though…

[cerulean nest]

Fair, so people should settle down and chill

[random siren]

Airdrop #1..

[wispy prism]

Oh time to buy 😁

[tardy falcon]

Maybe yah... I doubt it will dip much more as OB approaches

[radiant sky]

The guy holding land since almost 2 years is as loyal as the dude buying yesterday.
i don't think you have to do a different airdrop for every day land being on a wallet.
But weighting the sale landholders of june 22 a bit more than bob who bought yesterday, sounds more reasonable to me.

[fickle goblet]

You can easily get duration of holding. So if you bought some time in the middle then you get something like half (or curve it however makes sense) but saying someone who bought last week is a loyal holder just because the team didn't do any marketing for this is a long reach. I'm not going to advocate for this to change but saying it's for loyal holders is meh

[marsh sage]

I’m not somewhere I can easily check, is it just the normal ETH reduction as price increases or an actual drop in real terms? I would be surprised if this sort of announcement actually depresses the price of land in the mid/long-term given how bullish it is that it means we’re heading into open beta soon

[wispy prism]

Maybe there is something else coming. There were a few things mentioned

about long term holders and players.
For large holders they can sell and make some $ back just as with blueprints I think that's quite fair. Especially as the nft may be worth more than the market cap price.
Also there are other fuels there. So we can boost our land build as well.

[marsh sage]

Certainly that’s one way to look at it. We also had to consider what if Bob paid more? Should that matter? What if someone else paid a higher price because they were buying for a megacity? Should they be further incentivized? You’re not wrong at all that it’s a reasonable way to look at it as we went through about 3 hours of scenarios over a 2-week period in IMC for this.

[radiant sky]

you can't put fuel back into iz. which is good.

[wispy prism]

Ah that's good to know. Thanks.

[cerulean nest]

I feel like I'm going to need to go back to university to understand this fuel order book system

[radiant sky]

look at the prices of landsale... no way anyone paid more 😄

[fickle goblet]

For the loyal members with land specifically I don't think there will be, else they have clarified it by now. This is already the thank you. Thank you to someone who bought last week doesn't make sense to me. This plain snapshot is the lazy method. There are many other creative ways to do this even base it off game activity. Now those are the loyal bunch

[tardy falcon]

Yesterday floors were... t4 7.5... t1 .19+... t2 .49... now t4 7.1-ish (that one is in usdc) next one is 7.25... t1 .18-ish ( the .176 one sold)... t2 .46

[marsh sage]

Land has been higher than the initial sales prices at multiple points in the past 2 years

[marsh sage]

Value has gone up in USD terms then. Pretty standard when we see ETH prices move as much as they have this past week to see ETH denominated NFTs drop a bit. Doesn’t seem too major either way though but we’ll certainly monitor it

[radiant sky]

na mate.
i would have totally missed that.

[wispy prism]

At @marsh sage is this all Kerian was getting at for long term holders.

[radiant sky]

delete the "long" 😄

[tardy falcon]

Yah with eth rise

Maybe not the t4

[fickle goblet]

I hope you're right. But now I'm skeptical just think it's from left field like an airdrop partnership with lizards or something with money

[wispy prism]

I kind of mentioned it, because I'm fairly sure there were differentiated, yet I'll need to go back and check or actually @noble quest are you able to clarify here. Either way I'm not worried about it, just seeking clarification.

[livid tinsel]

Does someone know how much this will worth of fuel like $10 $100 or $1000 ????

[radiant sky]

price is written on your nft

[tardy falcon]

I can see the logic in that and how people would try and game it.
I def appreciate the fuel. Going to use it.

[livid tinsel]

The nfts are already on the wallet?

[radiant sky]

yes

[cerulean nest]

I think it's best to take it for what it is. They didn't have to do anything, and whichever way they decided to work it there would inevitably be unhappy people. Plus it's heavily hinted that there is more to come. Its all good

[livid tinsel]

Omggg that was quick, i don't have my computer. I think i wont sleep today. 🤣🤣🤣

[hearty cradle]

congrats on the airdrop guys

[marsh sage]

I’m not aware of any other plans to do anything different for holders of different durations. Land is intentionally not set up to have a ‘staking’ sort of component. The idea is that the amount of time you have it (and then play on it of course) gives you more fuel. So the idea is that if you own it you get the benefit. Obviously we all would have liked to be actually farming fuel for as long as possible but this at least gets us all moving that direction as open beta approaches

[radiant sky]

2% roi
the beginning is made

[wispy prism]

Hmm. I'm getting the idea from previous conversations, within this channel. Yet I will watch the insider again.

[marsh sage]

Appreciate that Wizard. I agree that we can’t make everyone 100% happy with any decision but we definitely were solely focused on doing the right thing for our community.

[wispy prism]

I was hinted that long term holders were taken into consideration. Unless this is the best outcome that fits all.

For what it's worth I'm fine with it, I think it's good. I will definitely use mine.
I think it could be worth clarifying the intent.

[livid tinsel]

10$ for a T1??? Omggg

[radiant sky]

15$

[livid tinsel]

What a joke we are a bunch of homeless ppl

[radiant sky]

it was the whole point this came up actually.
But on the other hand wasn't expecting much anyways. It could have been way worse 🙂

[polar cosmos]

Thank you team for saying thank you to me 🫠🤌

[tardy falcon]

Fuel already on sale 👀

[hearty cradle]

$15 for holding 2 years is good guys

[radiant sky]

15$ for holding 1 day indeed sounds not to shabby

[mild umbra]

What are the perks of playing open beta? Do we get to stack fuel now? More illuvials to scan?

[vagrant steeple]

It seems like a good thing to me, they have given me money that I did not expect. The worst thing is that if they had not given anything, no one would be complaining.

By the way, the lands came out in the middle of the bear market, they have held up to the price quite well and they have been able to make a profit. I've done. In fact, I warned when the T2s were at 500 dollars and they reached around 2000. When the game comes out is when we will really see its profitability.

[spring jetty]

lol

[vivid cipher]

It’s not open beta now.

[vivid cipher]

Too late

[mild umbra]

Right, but when it does launch will we get to stack fuel? Scan more illuvials?

[vivid cipher]

Yes. It’s the game launch. Everything for real.

[mild umbra]

Sweet so only a few more months

[marsh sage]

I suspect these comments from Kieran would have been in either earlier ideation stages in the process. I don’t have the exact comment to speak to but it may be the difference in long-term vs. loyal (which may be similar but are different meanings). I don’t want to parse an unknown comment of his too closely but we intend to reward those who are here getting ready for open beta to come out. Land plots generate fuel and we’re getting started now!

[wispy prism]

Yep. Agreed. I'll go look myself and I think you are right.
It's so freaking exciting

[high sleet]

Wait it was already airdropped?

Oh shit thats a killer video coming up

actually maybe I shouldnt

Yeah I better not

[thorn shadow]

immutascan.io/address/0x0d78b8aeddb8d3c8b8903a474f8a91855bfdf6f2?tab=1&forSale=true&chartTab=TradeVolume&sortBy=newest

[hearty cradle]

a sequel to the "billionaire from land" vid?

[high sleet]

didnt realise they had pricing set for the value

Idek what to think about it tbh

[high sleet]

@bitter glade Just need one clarification, on Immutascan it says Tier 1 Fuel crate ($15 USD).

At the time of redemption this will be claimed as X fuel where X is $15/upper rail. This will all be split equally among the 3 fuels??

Is the above correct or no?

[hearty cradle]

u pick one fuel imo

[spring jetty]

I think Johnny said you can choose which fuel you want

[quasi oasis]

Wait they airdropped already?

[radiant sky]

Not finalised yet

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

my first reaction, it kinda set the expectation for fuel price

[vivid cipher]

They got minted straight to our wallets holding our land

[quasi oasis]

Where are people trading these?

[vivid cipher]

The IlluviDex

Same with all illuvium nfts.

[radiant sky]

You have no clue what amount of fuel is in it 😄

[vivid cipher]

It’s just $15 worth of unknown amount of fuel

[high sleet]

These tickets would be an excellent giveaway nft

Ill buy some if I am able

[hearty cradle]

well ur holding land for 2 years and get $15, so my simple degen mind i saying that land is overvalued

[vivid cipher]

It’s basically stable sILV2

[hearty cradle]

kinda gave me a vibe that fuel will be cheap

[quasi oasis]

Oh nice. I see mine ❤️

[quasi oasis]

Thanks. I've always looked at TokenTrove lol.

[radiant sky]

Got it the other Way arround 😂

[high sleet]

yup

how much did each tier get btw?

[hearty cradle]

i mint t1 was minted lowest for 0.3e
and u get 0.006e for holding 2 years?

[quasi oasis]

Was Tier 1 land 0.3e?

[high sleet]

I mean its Airdrop 1

[hearty cradle]

the mint

[quasi oasis]

It's been so long since minting ILV land I have completely forgotten mint prices lol.

[radiant sky]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[vivid cipher]

When eth was $1800 but still.

[vivid cipher]

Saw that too…

[hearty cradle]

its still better than no airdrop tho

[radiant sky]

I guess it depends where you come from 😂

[hearty cradle]

and might set the expectation for "the biggest gamefi airdrop in history"
lets hope its bigger than $15 voucher

[high sleet]

Hey I have a T3 and got $130

[hearty cradle]

i dont have a plot, but i got $100 from downloading mavia

[spring jetty]

I got 405

after all these years

it's making some money

[hearty cradle]

free money

[quasi oasis]

Or offsetting losses?

[thorn shadow]

Ilv drop mavia style

[spring jetty]

that's a very low offset

[hearty cradle]

how much ilv do u think?

[radiant sky]

Ilv? ... 0

[high sleet]

1m

[hearty cradle]

the easiest is to just airdrop fuel like this for downloading

[high sleet]

per person'

[high sleet]

Mavia capped out their slots

we'd have to do the same

[thorn shadow]

I think 1 ilv per player who get to level x in zero with free app launch

[high sleet]

and only enough for 1 stage 1 run ideally

[radiant sky]

That's not bound to Zero gameplay

Most likely

[hearty cradle]

mavia airdrop worth $10m if mavia at $8

ape airdrop worth $2b if ape at $14

[thorn shadow]

How many got that mavia drop

[hearty cradle]

100k

[high sleet]

got 100 tokens from common land... Sold way too early tho

[dense bane]

Hey guys, I missed the blueprint minting window 😦 Is there anything I can do now or did I jsut lose the blueprints now?

[spring jetty]

I wonder what the airdrop will be based of

[hearty cradle]

fuel nodes i assume

[spring jetty]

I meant does one get X something for staking X ILV, or having X land or owning X beyond Pfp

or all of the above

[noble quest]

I said no speculating

[radiant sky]

I guess none of those.
You will get x reward for playing one lf the Games or multiple for x amount of hours.

[spring jetty]

Kieran is a ghost

spooked me

[spring jetty]

Then I wont get much lol

[radiant sky]

As much as every one if you play a little bit

Don't ya worry, won't be much playtime 😄

[spring jetty]

wow, I think I played around 48 hours

[radiant sky]

I guess it's more arround maybe 5h to reach certain Goals depending on what game you play

[spring jetty]

probably more, the early memories are vague

I played OW the least, less than 3 h cos it's so boring

[hearty cradle]

u mean the next one?

[reef otter]

Ty for the airdrop ser🫡
Thanks to the rest of the team also😁

[spring jetty]

yeah

[hearty cradle]

have no idea, but if u ask what i think should be a good airdrop is download, create passport and play few games

[spring jetty]

I c

[hearty cradle]

maybe imx can contribute too

[spring jetty]

well I hope everyone gets some fuel then

[hearty cradle]

what u want is that surge of players at launch to get traction

[spring jetty]

true

[hearty cradle]

yea fuel could be good. its printing free money

and people might actually use it instead of just sell it

[spring jetty]

it's very versatile, you can use to catch Illuvial or build land

[radiant sky]

You can't put fuel back into land

[spring jetty]

oh, so i cant use those fuel for my land

[hearty cradle]

johnny said utilize or sell

[spring jetty]

that's kinda sad

[radiant sky]

Yes

[radiant sky]

Yea play OW

[spring jetty]

I guess I have to use it in OW and save the fuel I generate for my land

was hoping to speed my building process

[hearty cradle]

what about true ownership if u cant put fuel back into land

thats not true ownership

[radiant sky]

True ownership doesn't exist

[hearty cradle]

but thats our main selling point

and interopt

[marsh sage]

It creates fundamental balance issues (pay-to-win) with Zero if you can buy assets that work in that direction back to land plots. We’re still giving access to own assets. Just because theres a particular use case doesn’t mean it’s not true ownership. If I want my Illuvitar to work in place of an Illuvial, it doesn’t mean that I don’t own it. It just means that in Overworld that asset doesn’t have a use case in that way.

It also breaks the functionality of storage on land plots which is an important mechanic for the game to function

[empty path]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[teal mural]

T2 got $45 In fuel?

[wispy prism]

I own 3 t1s I got $45 I'm definitely going to use that, maybe give away one. That's a good idea.

[wispy prism]

Of whatever the max rail gets set to I think.

[radiant sky]

Yes, ser

[empty path]

Oh they are already airdropped?

I need to talk to my landlord 😆😆😆

[teal mural]

Cool can’t check since IMX don’t work on the phone anymore

[vivid cipher]

Immutascan is just a website

[wispy prism]

That seems highly unsustainable. Plus likely to create a lot of pump and dump.

[wispy prism]

Oh yes. I worked other lands. I need to talk to mine as well.

[teal mural]

WhenI try you go on the website Thu metamask it won’t pull up my account

[empty path]

MetaMask doesn’t support IMX

[teal mural]

Yeah super annoying

Are we able to check fuel on illuvdex

I got $370 in fuel 🔥💪🏿🔥

[empty path]

I assume you can sell the fuel NFT

[teal mural]

Yeah but I wonder if we can use it in game. Fuck selling it. I want the boost it can give me in upgrading faster 🕺🏿

[empty path]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero message

[hearty cradle]

speed up is pay to win too. illuvitar vs illuvials is not a good example, they are different assets. this is the same fuel that is produced, used in IZ and transfered out. the only reason for doing this is gameplay, nothing to do with ownership

because u want to force people to sell their fuel

[hearty cradle]

what is unsustainable?

[empty path]

So can we sell these fuel NFTs on the Illuvidex?

[hearty cradle]

and u believe our launch airdrop is sustainable and people wont sell the airdrop if they can? have u seen the fuel crate listing on the marketplace?

airdrop is never about sustainability, its about traction

if u want sustainability, the airdrop need to be vesting for 12 months

[empty path]

How can I find them? I only see land / blueprints

[marsh sage]

There’s no reason we couldn’t make Illuvials and Illuvitars have the same functionality, except it breaks the game design. I agree that it doesn’t have anything to do with ownership. That why I commented when you said this goes against our principle of ownership. It doesn’t. It just breaks the game economy design with land plot development and storage.

[empty path]

aha promotional, glad you decided to hide it

[late quarry]

where to get scholar in illuvium zero? im a Clash of Clans player

[teal mural]

I just want and extra builder that I can see move around doing shit lol maybe it looks like a drone and we can put a skin on it to personalize it

[lavish narwhal]

Hi guys sorry for the question but I haven’t been here for a while. Is zero playable still just in computer?

Also, will the gameplay be erased at some date again or now whatever we advance stays forever?

[sudden zinc]

GM! Why are so negative on the airdrop? Its nice to get something as longtime holder...🙏

[hearty cradle]

i had the idea that IZ is mimicking real world fuel producer countries, where u can do what u like with the fuel given limited storage. and fuel can be freely moved.
one thing about mavia, they havent implemented the purchase of gold and oil, but it is coming.
like CoC, you will be able to buy speed up and resources, dont you think we should follow their lead if we want IZ to have similar or bigger success?

[late quarry]

how to apply scholar in this game?

[hearty cradle]

how much are you willing to pay for one additional builder?

[teal mural]

We like the airdrops, ppl think that some land owners are goin to sell their land now that they gotten the airdrop

[teal mural]

$20 in fuel

[hearty cradle]

no chance man

it has to be expensive

idk how much mavia is going to sell their builder

[teal mural]

How expensive? No more then $100

[teal mural]

$20 is low be $50-75 isn’t bad

[marsh sage]

If you can move fuel back into your land plot after it’s converted to the tokens, the concept of storage doesn’t exist in game. You would just move all your fuel to the ERC-20 and then drop it back in whenever you want.

[hearty cradle]

if we are going to implement Raids and maybe leaderboard in IZ, its only make sense to offer speed up and resources for purchase

thats how CoC make their money

[teal mural]

It wold be cool if we could them up to put a magcity together but to do so we would have to op-in for battles

[marsh sage]

The plans for in-game speed-ups are already in development and balance. So for sure, you can take the loop of ‘sell fuel’, ‘buy speed-ups’, ‘make more fuel’. But that loop should be much more expensive than just ‘buy fuel’ from the market and drop it onto my base to rush to completion. Speed-ups (at least in any gatcha sort of game I can think of) are much better for the studio when they are less efficient than just playing the game normally

[hearty cradle]

it really depends if we want to make IZ like CoC

[marsh sage]

You know the in-game speed ups already exist in the current version, right?

[hearty cradle]

speed up is fine, just the fuel

if we want IZ to be more like CoC

[marsh sage]

In COC, I can’t undo a unit research or building development. It’s a one-directional movement by design. In their case it’s due primarily to matchmaking and pvp purposes. Having a mechanic that locks the fuel out of game once it leaves is similar for us for gameplay. I don’t think it makes us not like COC. We just have different end-game mechanics. Adding pvp doesn’t change this at all either

[junior hollow]

wow these fuel airdrops were quick and decisive, does this mean the games coming soon?

[hollow quiver]

anyone know what this mean? i stopped playing after getting the BPs

[silk comet]

So if I hold like 4 tier 1 land plots on one wallet I get onyl one crate?

[junior hollow]

how much people listing their fuel crates for? better not be selling them for peanuts like the alpha blueprints

[junior hollow]

you should have 4 tier 1 crates

[wispy prism]

👀

[amber atlas]

This has always been a planned feature, it just comes with a time and resource cost. Makes for some interesting games decisions on storage space vs raw cost as well as allows the market vs in-game arbitrage stuff that I consider so important and unique to Zero.

It has been removed from Open Beta scope, but I can't imagine its going to be too far after.

(also I'm on leave but couldn't help reply to this, but I may drop off suddenly if my wife sees me working 😉 )

Also I haven't read all the threads above, but just want to be clear that this Fuel airdrop is just a little boost to say "thank you for sticking with us and holding" to those land owners out there. Not that its a tiny amount, but it's not the major airdrop to gain new players that Kieran has talked about.

[worldly flume]

What are we getting in those crates exactly? I didn't understand. A nft that we will use to get fuel when game goes live?

[teal mural]

When was this put out?

[atomic nexus]

Illuvium team is the best project I ever met! And I realised it much more compared with STRK.😀

[high sleet]

They r certainly getting better at the onchain stuff. Looks like some of their systems are coming together

[lavish narwhal]

Anyone can help please?

[teal mural]

This was too funny

Hunt them like illuvium hunting tho🤣🤣🤣

[obtuse violet]

Will reset again with open beta launch

[hearty cradle]

as per announcement