lore

[livid elm]

"No spell can reawaken the dead, Harry. I trust you know that"

if inferi are in game, they're not going to be friendly

but that leads me to ask who or what brought them back as its said the curse used to create them was extremely difficult and complex

[empty vine]

There might be a way with necromancy or another category that is also within the Darkest branch to my knowledge which is Black Magic.

[indigo basin]

Where do we submit feedback at?

[random moon]

For the server?

#💡discord-suggestions

Depends on what your feedback is for though

[indigo basin]

Nah for the game

[random moon]

How can you provide feedback for a game that isn’t even released yet?

Discussion about the game is in #💬hogwarts-legacy-general

[indigo basin]

I want to give ideas even if it may already be implemented.

[full crypt]

you could share your ideas about the game on #💬hogwarts-legacy-general

[viral badger]

On that note let's get back to what this channel is for please

[indigo basin]

Kinda seems pointless if it doesn't get read or passed on?

[vivid owl]

That's not what this server is for.

Also to quote something I heard a lot as a joke when getting into making games when people say they have ideas "Yeah, you and a million other people."

That's not to be mean but ideas are cheap and most people don't understand how difficult it is to make a game. My suggestion is to leave the devs be, let them make the game they are making and then give feedback once it's out if you can do so in a constructive manner.

Now I'd say back to the lore but unfortunately we've kind of exhausted lore topics

So I guess an interesting question is to be the canonicity of the lore of Hogwarts Legacy

Obviously it's staying true to the already existing lore, but is the new lore created for the game going to be canon to the larger HP universe

?

I'd love it if the answer is yes.

[full crypt]

on one hand, i’d like to say yes. but saying that begs the question of ‘how can it be lore as part of the wider universe, if each player interacts with it slightly differently?’ Some players may choose to go down a darker path, and others may not- leading to several different ‘mini-lores’ ..? i guess it also depends on how the game ends, which we don’t know yet

[vivid owl]

Fair point

I guess certain events and of course the characters from it will be lore

but the minutiae, and player chosen events will be left in a nebulous grey area of "Well it could have happened this way, but we don't know for sure"

[indigo basin]

It's lore that every player can read only difference is they obtain different pieces at different times. This is to force the player to find the experience rather than just googling where to find it.

[subtle olive]

I'm actually quite curious if Jo is going to play the game herself and how much she'd actually approve into actual lore as opposed to pulling a George Lucas and going "alternate universe" for the EU

[celest pasture]

I would love a let's play from her

[subtle olive]

Jo's barely hip to Twitter, but I have seen stranger things happen.

In actuality tho, it is most curious what she'd keep versus what she would toss. To use the Star Wars EU Canon, whenever games would give a multi-option RPG ie. Dark or Light, the "canon" lore would default to light side tho leave easter eggs to all the other various choices in order to maximize the headcanon of people's playthroughs.

So that does beg the question: will this game do the same? Because the world state has to accomodate the Grindelwald era and later the Mauraders era and then finally the Potter era.

[earnest linden]

I don’t think anyone can be hip to Twitter. Twitter is a very strange beast.

[vivid owl]

Interesting point.

The current games like Hogwarts Mystery and that new one that's been out in China for a year seeming to have more open playthrough possibilities though in the end they still have a single main storyline which even if you choose to be a bully you have to follow.

Whilst it seems like Hogwarts Legacy might have different endings depending on player choices.

Most likely you're right and the "good" option will be the canon one to the rest of the lore if it is going to be canon.

[rain grotto]

You are very right, it makes me excited to think about different alternative endings, if you are good or bad, it all looks very interesting.

It can also be an option to be neutral, with this game there are many possibilities. Let's remember that you don't necessarily need to be bad to kill, even the kindest like Molly Weasley could kill, as he did with Bellatrix.

[rain grotto]

I also hope everything sticks to the nature of the wands and their cores.

[modern moth]

That would be incredible but I have a feeling something like that might not be focused on compared to the locations, story, lore etc.

[lilac flint]

in the first trailer, there's a shot of skeleton looking enemies. I always assumed those were the inferi

[spiral summit]

It would be soo nice to have at least one path each :')
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/800801a5-8581-4d4a-9ba5-87edd26fc813

But well, I'd be pleased even with the 3*3 classic alignment chart

[devout kettle]

The lore I'm most interested in is the origin story of three things you can see on the panoramic desktop image. First, the large dead tree that is far to prominently emerging from the fog to be unimportant. What could be it's purpose and could it actually be a giant snargoloph? Also, I want to know the story of two ruins you can see. One is in the mist up the hill from where the future whomping willow would be, and the second is on the far left shore of the black lake.

[tranquil lark]

where is is this picture?

[south wraith]

This is realistically a stretch but for those of us with aspen wand wood..
It’s stated on Pottermore that in the 1800s at Hogwarts there was a secret society/dueling club that only allowed members who had aspen wands to be apart of it due to how often aspen wands are specifically suited to exceptional martial magic and charm work - It would be so cool if you could join this club in HL 😅😅😂
Anyone else thought of this?? The group was called The Silver Spears (this is assuming we get to pick our wands in the first place lol)

[strange bone]

it would be entirely possible that the devs or J.K. Rowling could say that the game can be seen as canon or non-canon as even if it is canon the ministry would try and sweep it under the rug. to quote the trailer "something wizarding kind has been hiding, even from themselves"

[earnest linden]

Very true but I wanna say they’re secretly trolling the server and picking things up that we’ve debated here in lore.

[hasty yacht]

Well at the time it makes sense tbh

with all the witch hunting and porpaganda against the wizarding world

[vivid owl]

the 990's CE in Britain were not exactly noted for their witch hunts

Getting into the 1500s - 1600s then yeah

even then though Britain as a whole was notably less witch hunt crazy than say France or Spain

The big bad of the British witch hunts is Matthew Hopkins, who's career as "Witchfinder General" saw some 300 people killed after his sham trials.

at the time of the late 10th century though the practice of the church was to basically say that anyone claiming to be magic was trying to scam people.

the whole witch-phobia really wouldn't come about until about the mid 1400s

I will admit, that looking up the laws, we see extra reason as to why magicals in Britain would have been disenfranchised with the crown.

James the VI & I enacted a law that made witch hunts legal in 1604 in Britain and it wasn't superseded by an act that repealed it until 1735.

By which point the magical community had already retreated into itself and the Statute of Secrecy was a thing

that was Elizabeth in the late 1500s

though it should be noted that the Malfoys argued against Britain accepting the Statute of Secrecy

[modern moth]

wtf

[vivid owl]

Partly cos they'd stayed up with the British monarchy and didn't want to lose their influence with them

They would have probably been one of the faction who argued for the return of the monarchy after Cromwell's stint as government head.

Charles II of England was well known as the Merry Monarch due to the excessive parties and well just excesses of his court.

British history was a wonderful mess of revolutions and war

sounds about right

To go back to this question though, from what little we know of the Founders it seems that Slytherin was the oldest of the four and probably was the one who originally owned the ground the castle is stood on.

As for how they became friends, that's less clear but they definitely did and started their school.

Considering it seems that blood purism as a belief in the magical world started after the cultures were separated, as a way to make some magical families feel more important about themselves after having lost their political capital with the Statute of Secrecy removing their access to the royal courts of their lands, then I highly doubt that Slytherin was some jumped up blood purist who didn't like muggle-borns

he probably just didn't like the hassle of having to introduce them to magical community and so thought it easier to take on children from magical families

[sharp elk]

So with the new ASMR video, I spotted the following stores in Hogsmeade:

• Three Broomsticks (at 10:00, the center)
• Ollivanders (at 10:00, to the left, across from Three Broomsticks)
• Quality Quidditch Supplies (at 10:00, to the right )
• Madam Puddifoot's Tea Shop (at 12:35)
• Gladrags (at 12:35, the "GR" in the center, I think)
• Dervish and Banges (at 12:35, right next to "GR")
• Scrivenshaft (at 12:35, at the very right)
• Hog's Head Inn (at 15:00, left side)
• The Magic Neep (at 17:35)

I don't remember Quality Quidditch Supplies being in Hogsmeade?

[random moon]

The game is set in 1890. Quality Quidditch Supplies could have been there back then, but closed up shop later?

[dusk summit]

Where exactly is Dervish and Banges again? I can't spot it at that timestamp.

I was really hoping we could go into it!!!

[sharp elk]

to the right of "GR"

found Scrivenshaft, to the right of that as well

[dusk summit]

Oooo good eye!!!!

Thank you!

[sharp elk]

In the context of the game, I'm kinda assuming we wont be seeing Diagon Alley, so they had to ensure the most well shops would be visit-able. Quallity Quidditch Supplies especially since that's where you would probably buy brooms?

[frank jewel]

With both Ollivanders and Broomstick supplies here, right by the entrance of Hogsmeade I almost assume you can upgrade your wand / broomstick there

[near quiver]

oh man this reminds me of Universal's hogwarts sections

Loved that place

[hexed echo]

Quality Quidditch Supplies, like Ollivander’s or Potage’s Cauldron Shop could have locations both in Diagon as well as Hogsmeade! Not necessarily a chain store, but definitely a secondary location

[vivid owl]

Or potentially they could have started out in Hogsmede as it'd be cheaper to get a shop there and upon getting more popular with the arrival of mass produced brooms in the late 1920s/early 1930s then they moved to Diagon as they had more money to spare.

[devout kettle]

If you go to hogwartslegacy.com/en-us and click the stay connected option and sign up for the newsletter they’ll send you a free desktop background that has really good resolution. It’s the same picture as at the end of the trailer, but without the game title in the middle

[slim helm]

This one

[devout kettle]

Mine’s a little wider but the three things are still there.

[slim helm]

That one is cooler

[uncut portal]

Seeing all of this really kind of pushes the we may not go to diagon alley thing a bit more. Like may go to gringotts in the beginning, then everything is hogwarts and hogsmeade

[old hazel]

Just made this my background love the shot

[devout kettle]

the little family of graphhorns in the bottom left quadrant makes me happy.

[wheat sand]

it's massive miss if Diagon Alley is not in there, why wouldn't it be? I don't get it.

I mean, they seem to be nailing a lot of it and somehow they'd leave such an iconic location out? Unless they're saving it for a sequel, but even then, I can't wrap my head around the reasoning.

[slate shard]

There’s no real reason to build an entire level only to go there once I suppose

So it’s easier to have everything in hogsmeade

I guess it’s just to make gameplay easier

[frank jewel]

I like Diagon Alley as much as the next person, however I don't think it's crucial that it's in this game. Seems to me that they're mainly focusing on Hogwarts and the immediate area around it, and I'd rather much rather have that space fleshed out instead of them spending a lot of time on a one and done location. Could they have made it so you traveled to Diagon Alley to shop? Probably, but seems cumbersome compared to just having it in the same area. Makes it all feel more seamless and natural. At the end of the day we don't really know if it's gonna be in the game or not, but given that we haven't seen anything from it, I wouldn't expect it.

[strange bone]

yeah it would be sick if you could add cosmetics and upgrades to your broom I can already imagine like adding a lantern to a broom and having my broom be able to produce light

[strange bone]

also if the added Diagon alley as a dlc or after release that would be amazing

[earnest linden]

I wanna say that maybe there were more magical in the time before Grindelwald war. As wizards arnt killing wizards. It’s wizard vs some goblins…as gringots is wizard bank. Controlled by goblin nation.

Do population was bigger more shops and chain economics. Etc. then after issues with Gellert and war Amd blood purity contests the need for those chains dried up as less market….

Like during the Great Depression when places shut because people left places and couldn’t pay rents and land owner taxes and all that.

[vivid owl]

Mmhmm, and again with Moldyshorts two wars killing even more of the population, it's likely that Britain as a whole has a lot smaller magical population relatively in comparison to most other European or even worldwide nations.

[earnest linden]

Yeh so the idea that diagonally will have a few more shopping areas and chains besides knocturnally. Such as hogsmeade or independent venders or sketchy salespeople in taverns or town squares etc.

[vivid owl]

Well Diagon also has Horizont Alley, and Carkitt Market

[left mason]

Surely Horizont Alley isn't an actual thing, right?

[vivid owl]

the names for it and Carkitt Market come from the Wizarding World at Universal Land

basically they made Diagon and then realised that with the amount of people going to the HP land that it couldn't fit them all, so they asked Rowling and so yep it's canon.

Horizont Alley doesn't have much really, a barbers, a sweet shop and some other miscellaneous stuff

Carkitt Market has a Wands by Gregorovich, an pub of its own called the Hopping Pot, a magical blacksmith, and the house elf hiring services as well as another owl post place

and another entrance through to the normal world into the real life Carkitt Market

[left mason]

Is there a canonical explanation for how spells are made?

[junior rivet]

"Only witches and wizards with great understanding of and skill in magic were known to be able to invent spells. It is unknown what the exact process was to creating spells other than crafting the wand movement and the incantation. What is known is that it was a very difficult, even dangerous process."

[left mason]

Fantastic!

My inquiry has absolutely nothing to do with the game, by the by. Just curious, since a character I've been designing in the wizarding world is meant to be somewhat of a magic scientist

[junior rivet]

Ooh

[narrow verge]

no diagonal alley? because in the state of play the olivander appears

[frank jewel]

It appears in Hogsmeade

[paper ingot]

But I think we saw diagon alley in one of the trailers didn't we?

[left mason]

We saw Gringotts, which is in Diagon Alley

[frank jewel]

Haven't seen any shot of Diagon Alley, no

[left mason]

But no footage of the alley itself

[frank jewel]

We do have a shot of something that looks like a portal to the inside of Gringotts too, which might mean we will never actually go to Diagon Alley even if we go to Gringotts

[left mason]

That's been my belief so far

[sharp elk]

Did we see shots of Gringotts "London" though? Could've been something around Hogwarts made by the Goblins

[left mason]

We saw the rail carts from Gringotts

Unless those were also built somewhere else

[narrow verge]

I saw a recent discussion about whether or not Diagon Alley exists. I remembered the first JKR drawings where they had a round shape, like in the picture.

in my opinion, this is the entrance to the Diagon Alley, thus being linked to the first JKR drawings.
which maybe is a sign that hogsmeade and diagonal alley are different locations (as per recent discussion in some post)
what do you think?

[quaint oriole]

I mean.. diagon alley and hogsmeade ARE two different places

[frank jewel]

It's an interesting theory, but I don't think that wall is the entrance

Doesn't really look like it's in a city

[random moon]

Yeah Diagon Alley is in London and Hogsmeade is in the Scottish highlands

[quaint oriole]

Tbf

its very much in the distant past

so it could be that the entrance to diagon alley we see in harry potter hasn't been built yet?

[frank jewel]

According to the wiki it was

"The Leaky Cauldron was present long before Charing Cross Road was even planned in the nineteenth century; its true address was number one, Diagon Alley, and it was believed to have been built some time in the early 1500s, along with the rest of the wizarding street."

[vivid owl]

Nothing stopping the Goblins from having other underground complexes where they may live or hoard stuff and use said rails and minecarts to move around.

[neon kindle]

Would be weird just teleporting in gringotts

[frank jewel]

Depends how they do it I suppose

[slim helm]

i mean not really if they do it right

like a portal int the wall or we get apparated

[sand linden]

I was thinking about all this the other day: and I have a guess as to whats up with gringotts and diagon alley etc

I saw a youtuber point out they wouldnt be surprised if the Gringotts shot in the state of play, along with the reveal of Ranrok may be at the beginning of the game before we ever set foot at hogwarts; and this had me thinking:

What if Diagon Alley is just the "tutorial/character creation" area? It happens so often in games; RPGs especially, where theres a part of the game meant for a very specific part and then is never available again.

Prediction: Prof. Fig, for some reason that is probably story related, meets with us before our trip to Hogwarts and shows us around Diagon Alley; being a mentor figure in more ways than one (hagrid to harry esc), it is here we learn the open world mechanics, get our wand/pick our stats, depending on how "Mass Effect-y" this game is- perhaps some decisions to give us a house recommendation before the sorting hat, customize our appearance, all that fun stuff.
Then we go to Gringotts for some reason, Ranrok finds us; bad guy reveal; we escape to Hogwarts where the Game begins; never able to go back to Diagon Alley because 1. The tutorial is over, and Hogsmead will play the role of whatever we need and would usually get at Diagon Alley and 2. Ranrok can apparently easily find us there, so why return? Or maybe we cant/shouldnt return to Diagon Alley because of a plot point?

Just some thoughts! Anyone thought similar?

[slim helm]

I had the same thoughts

if you look in the trailer, pay attention to the clothing that they wear

that within itself is its own story

[sand linden]

Absolutely! The clothing and newspaper holds key clues! Its all on September 1st, first day of school. So its gotta be at the beginning

[slim helm]

Yup, that's what it would seem like.

[sand linden]

i just realized i probably shouldve put this in the "theories" section... sorry yall 😅

[slim helm]

its fine, mistakes like this are common lol

[soft mulch]

that fine we all makes that kinda mistakes

[harsh frost]

The sweets shop, Florean Foretscue's is mentioned in the books, and it's still apart of Diagon Alley, it's an ice cream shop. Harry, Hermione, and Ron eat ice cream there every year after shopping for their school supplies, it's mentioned in the books a few different times. I'm not sure if that's the sweet shop you're speaking of, but I go to Universal Orlando twice a year with my family, and that's the only sweet's shop in Diagon Alley/Horizont Alley/Knockturn Alley. Of course, there's Honeyduke's, but that's only found in Hogsmeade😊

[vivid owl]

Ah my apologies, the sweet shop is meant to be in Carkitt Market.

Carkitt Market is actually quite an interesting place and a shame it only got invented after the books were finished and they were building the park

but still Rowling signed off on its creation so it is canon

[harsh frost]

ahhh Sugarplums, yeah that's next to Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, I always forget about that sweets shop because it's not in the book😂 Sorry about that

[vivid owl]

No worries, when I was talking about the areas previously, I hadn't looked them up in a while so made the mistake of where it was.

I've never been to the park myself, being A) British, and B) broke as all heck. So I've not got any first hand experience of it, therefore all my info comes from the wiki.

[harsh frost]

that makes sense! I'm actually putting together a puzzle of the map to Diagon Alley currently, so it's super fresh in my mind

[vivid owl]

Neato.

The wiki has never made it clear how Diagon, Knockturn, Horizont, and Carkitt all tie together.

Like does Carkitt connect directly to Diagon or is the connection to Horizont which then connects to Diagon?

I'd love a map.

[harsh frost]

when you're walking out from the stone wall, to your immediate right is Weasley's joke shop, and Carkitt Market. if you keep going straight instead of turning right, that is Diagon Alley itself. that has all the main attractions (Madam Malkin's robe shop, Ollivander's, The Magical Menagerie, etc) which deadends with Gringotts at the very center. Horizont Alley runs well, horrizontally across the top of Diagon Alley (when you're facing towards Gringotts) kinda like the line of the uppercase T. then Knockturn Alley is found on the left side of Horizont Alley

[vivid owl]

That helps a bit

danke

I'm aiming on using Horizont and Carkitt for a fan fic of mine, so that's why I have the wiki tabs for them open, but info on them is kind of sparse

[harsh frost]

so I circled the alleys.. red is Diagon Alley, blue is Carkitt Market, yellow is Horizont Alley, and green is Knockturn!!!

[vivid owl]

You know what I always wondered about, if the two different streets that are made where Diagon splits into a Y at Gringotts are both still called Diagon or if they have their own names.

I've heard that there was supposed to be a Vertic Alley as well, so maybe that's one

but nice to know that Horizont Alley is the one that cuts across Diagon just before Gringotts, and that Knocturn is an L shape connecting Diagon and Horizont.

[zealous mica]

Yo since there is no mention of the main character in the books/movies what if everyone gets Obliviated about us????!!!

[junior rivet]

Obliviating someone from memory or as if they never existed?

Either way I don't think there's a possibility of that happening so that it would match the books/movies, since the game isn't an adaptation or written by JK Rowling herself

[quaint oriole]

Wow is that an ingame map?

[left mason]

Legendary raid? Not sure I understand what you mean by that. If you mean like a Destiny Raid, I doubt it since this’ll be a single player experience

[harsh frost]

haha, no actually. it's a nap of universal studios in Orlando, but it is cannon

[quaint oriole]

ohhh

that's why it looked familiar

I actually have that map

[neon kindle]

I doubt as this game isnt gonna follow everything from the books and movies itll be almost something new

[vivid owl]

That and also the books contain massive gaps in the lore that this game can neatly fit into without any major problems

[upbeat knot]

Be prepared. Potter fan's probably know the lore better than the devs. So we might encounter things that should not be there yet. Like the womping willow, a tree that wasn't planted until Remus Lupin started Hogwarts.

Or things that should be there but arent.

[random moon]

The Devs are Potter fans too though. I think they’ll do alright considering the scale of the game as far as we’ve seen so far.

[upbeat knot]

The thing with game devs, they are often more focused on "making a game" than having it be lore accurate. Even dev companies that use their own in house IP make lore mistakes. Using an out side IP, i'll bet they show us many places we've not been introduced to yet. simply so they arent bound by lore as much. Because locations we do know, details we do know. will be found and discussed a LOT.

[junior rivet]

I mean, if the game is like genshin (which is REALLY lore heavy) such that fans could make many plausible theories from almost anything then I would have to disagree. It really depends on how the story is written and what they choose to leave at the player's discretion

[vivid owl]

Oh my dude, there's a massive difference between devs making a tie-in game cos of the offered money versus devs making the game out of love.

A fantastic example is the Lego games by TT Games. I'm lucky enough to have sat through two guest lectures by Arthur Parsons, who was Head of Design at TT Games for the Lego Batman/Marvel/Harry Potter games.

His lectures were about working within an IP and about limitations leading to greater creativity but most importantly about loving an IP and being a fan of it.

For the Lego Batman games, he bought the entire team Batman comics and had them pick 3 random ones each, read them, and then try and figure out a way to tie some obscure Batman character into the game. Condiment King being a great example.

With the Lego Harry Potter games they took the whole team to the Universal Studios Harry Potter Tour down in London.

The reason why I say all this is to show that when devs care about the lore, as is obvious for the devs for Hogwarts Legacy as they've said multiple times that every team member re-read the books at the start of development and that they use the available lore, that that care will come through in the final product.

So I trust that even if they've edited parts of the lore to make aspects of the game work, then it is done in good faith and with care and respect for the world.

[outer valve]

Well, they did miss something in the trailers alredy. They said Merlin studied at Hogwarts (when actually he died long before Hogwarts was created). Thats a tiny detail I'm super okay with, but yeah. Its almost impossible not to make mistakes. XD

[vivid owl]

That's in mythology not in HP

in HP lore Merlin was one of the first students at Hogwarts and an early member of Slytherin house.

[outer valve]

I just find nice that that is the only lore mistake I found after seeing so many lore details. Such as magical plants, the hopping pot.

[vivid owl]

in British myth, Merlin lived several hundred years earlier than the 990s that he supposedly attended Hogwarts at in the HP universe

so it's not really a lore mistake so much as it is Rowling not giving a rats behind about history and liking to upset me because of it

[outer valve]

Oooh.

[outer valve]

APKOEOAOSKRO Yeah, that happens.

I guess thats why so many people is confused about if he attendet hogwarts or not lmao

[stone matrix]

Consider it this way… myth and legend changes over time. So the very real wizard Merlin at Hogwarts became the legendary Merlin of years ago to muggles

[vivid owl]

I've ranted more than enough about Rowling ignoring history for the dumbest of reasons and not taking its effects into account for the history of the magical world as well.

[outer valve]

Thanks for reminding that. I'm feeling better now knowing that the game developers didnt made the same mistake as me.

[vivid owl]

Only the legendary Merlin is meant to have been from around the 400-500CE as the King Arthur mythos came about as a rallying cry for native Britons against the migrating Saxons, Angles, and Jutes.

So that'd make the "muggle" myth some 500 years older than the actual magical history.

That's ignoring the fact that potential origins for that myth come from another 500 years before that during the Roman invasion of Britain

[hasty yacht]

wait a second since merlin is cannon, is Arthur cannon and further up question is Excalibur Godrick's sword?

[random moon]

The sword of Godric Griffindor was made by Goblins iirc

[hasty yacht]

yeah but maybe folklore made it into being a mythical sword in the stone

also was morgana a witch in hogwarts?

[random moon]

Don’t know. Doesn’t seem to be any mention of what school she went to, just that she was a practicer of the Dark Arts and enemy of Merlin.

Also a bird animagus

And she was called Morgan Le Fay, not Morgana

[hasty yacht]

ah sorry

thanks for the clearup tho

[slim helm]

Morgan Freeman?

[left mason]

I believe that in the Harry Potter canon, Merlin was supposed to have been a student at Hogwarts somewhere around the 14th-15th century, so about 300-400 years after Hogwarts was founded

He’s also one of Slytherin’s main claims to fame, as he was a Slytherin

[raw zealot]

i agree, love and money dont mix very well. look halo infinte, im sure devs love Halo, but the suits are in charge

[earnest linden]

Probably a student of beaxbaton maybe…

[earnest linden]

I love the fact that they’re using the books as in Harry potters story not the fantastic beasts films as much except for creature design,…

or the vomitron that was cursed cough child hurlk. Sorry that was gross. But like

Using the books to focus the lore…also on the subject of Merlin…I think JKR took inspiration of it from a mixture of the folklores surrounding it and just went eh this makes sense I’m picking this date. It doesn’t entirely matter on the historical accuracy as I’m focussing my tale about this abused boy who must save the world as he knows it. Blah blah blah.

So like I know she took a lot of liberties to make her story and then later decided to retcon her own lore to suit the prequel instead of sticking to her own canon. I thought it a mistake but whatever doesn’t distract me too much from newt or Tina so I’m content….

I think I’ll be more pleased with this team that doesn’t have jkr involvement tbh I think they’ll fine tooth comb the books more than she will to bring the game to fruition Amd may tell a better story…idk. But more heads are better than one.

Also I like lore heavy games. Makes the world interesting. Like elder scrolls or ff or others.

[raw zealot]

expand the hp universe and not make it fit just to the books, there´s a lot to go on. fandom, writters, JKR, games

[rain steeple]

I wonder if there will be cross over in Hogwarts Mystery, like clothes or event (probably both at same time) because Star Wars The Old Republic did one with Jedi Fallen Order and you could have BD-1 as pet in The Old Republic.

[rain steeple]

That would be interesting side content, I love this idea

[gray vigil]

That would be cool if they could do little nods to each other.

[undone lion]

They probably will do a crossover for Harry Potter Magic Awakened and maybe other WB properties

[rain steeple]

I wonder if this game turns into series (considerable possibility) and after all said and done, all story archs arched, book ends and all will our character have their own "17 years later" and in one endings we might be old person who might greet young Harry Potter or hear about his achievements through descendant or descendants.

[cyan dew]

I hope for a trilogy at least, if it's as good as everyone is expecting

[paper ingot]

That what be so amazing, like all my dreams would come true at once xD

[modern moth]

Hi, I wonder if, instead, there will be annual story extension updates with multiple dlcs between them like we see in other big games. I like these type of updates because the game never ends and the lore can continue each year with another story.

[dusk wraith]

I would love that, that's so cool

[earnest linden]

T would be nice. But would need a function to either port your prev game I. Or have an account on wizardinf world where you check boxes and link to game so can port prev games into new system. So that choices matter.

[modern moth]

That would actually be a great plus for our game experience

[empty vine]

Like Destiny does.

[modern moth]

Yes for example

[nimble plaza]

Having Summer dlc would be amazing. Maybe a sojourn to Egypt or even the Americas Colonies would be a great way to bridge the gap. I could see 3 games over 3 different school years being so much fun

[modern moth]

I like the idea

[gusty bough]

If they build actual books into the library, nobody in Ravenclaw will finish the game, they’ll just read the whole time

[full crypt]

you’re… not wrong lmaoo

[empty vine]

You’re not wrong lmao

Tbh i would spend hours reading in the library as well if they do add books, tomes and scrolls to the library 😆

Knowledge is power!

[undone lion]

I would like to visit Mahoutokoro if we get to visit other Wizarding Schools in DLC content

[pseudo dew]

i hope so, but itd be unrealistic spending all of our time in the game solving all of these huge mysteries in just a few short years

i hope that your character gets to become an adult and stuff

maybe watch how hogwarts and the society in genersl progresses

[calm condor]

The whole HP series seems concentrated around schools - Hogwarts to be exact. Hogwarts, Hogsmeade, Diagon Alley. Without these its as if the magic is gone. I cant imagine what life looks like for an average adult wizard tbh.

[pseudo dew]

yea

my main hope for this game is to become a prefect

thatd be awesome

[lean lava]

Didn't the dude say in the bts that the thing that grounds us all in this universe was Hogwarts

it truly is a magical place.

[gray vigil]

The “colonies” would have been established for over a hundred years by now and MACUSA almost 200 I think. Though I suppose it still is slang across the pond to refer to them as such.

[gray vigil]

It would be cool to see new areas though!

[vocal ravine]

How many elder wands are there

[vivid owl]

Wands made of elder whilst uncommon aren't super rare, though the wood itself isn't anything anymore special than any other wood

what made the Elder Wand so strong was the core of Thestral hair

though I also doubt that it's the only wand with a thestral hair core

[empty vine]

Wands made of Elder isn’t common though it isn’t very rare either , This is the lore regarding Elder wood : Elder

The rarest wand wood of all, and reputed to be deeply unlucky, the elder wand is trickier to master than any other. It contains powerful magic, but scorns to remain with any owner who is not the superior of his or her company; it takes a remarkable wizard to keep the elder wand for any length of time. The old superstition, ‘wand of elder, never prosper,’ has its basis in this fear of the wand, but in fact, the superstition is baseless, and those foolish wandmakers who refuse to work with elder do so more because they doubt they will be able to sell their products than from fear of working with this wood. The truth is that only a highly unusual person will find their perfect match in elder, and on the rare occasion when such a pairing occurs, I take it as certain that the witch or wizard in question is marked out for a special destiny. An additional fact that I have unearthed during my long years of study is that the owners of elder wands almost always feel a powerful affinity with those chosen by rowan.

[junior rivet]

Damn I would want to break into their common room if that's the case. I'm guessing we'll be allowed to infiltrate common rooms for quests and storyline, but if it was just because, probably not then.

[vivid owl]

why not, if we can figure out where they are, well certainly Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff common rooms are ones a Slytherin or Gryffindor could get access to as their isn't a changing password like their is for Gryffindor or Slytherin.

Instead access to Ravenclaw tower requires you to answer a riddle, and to get into the Hufflepuff dorms you have to tap a barrel to "Hel-ga Huff-le-puff"

[lean moon]

if you can learn spells that you see in the books that would be awesome

[dusk wraith]

that would be SO COOL. Imagine they're like little weird spells you don't actually NEED for the game but they make cool stuff happen around the castle, or get you cool stuff

[lean moon]

That would be awesome!

[lean moon]

Maybe if you're like preparing for a duel (or something like that) you can go to the room of requirement (DA style) and practice spells and learn new ones

[dusk wraith]

I assume that'll be a possibility yes!

[hard forge]

hmnF sounds familiar

[prime pilot]

oooh i like this idea

[quaint oriole]

of HP

[empty vine]

That's nice though it isn't really related to #lore for your information. Thought to let you know 😄

[quaint oriole]

Why not?

[empty vine]

Because it doesn't have anything to do with the lore regarding the Wizarding World.

[quaint oriole]

So... the harry potter movies doesn't have anything to do with the wizarding world?

[empty vine]

That isn't what i'm saying... I'm saying it doesn't have anything to do with the lore.

[quaint oriole]

Riiiight

Not like the movies were based on the books that started all of this

Nah that's definitely not lore ^^

[viral fox]

We actually have a place to discuss the movies at #🎥film-and-tv

[quaint oriole]

I'll be sure to use that in the future

but seems strange to say the movies have nothing to do with lore regarding the wizarding world

[viral fox]

This channel is for the game's lore and anything from the Wizarding World lore that can relate to it, but not really a discussion of the Harry Potter lore (that is, the books and movies)

if that makes sense

[quaint oriole]

but isn't harry potter's lore part of the wizarding world lore?

[viral fox]

like.. coming to start a topic on a subject in the book =/= referencing lore from the books while talking about a setting in the game

The lore is part of the same universe but the movies/books are way after this game is set, and this channel should primarily be focused on the game's lore.

[quaint oriole]

do we know if the game is canon to the rest of the wizarding world's lore ?

or if it is its own thing

[viral fox]

Q: How does Hogwarts Legacy fit into the Harry Potter Wizarding World?
A: While Portkey Games are not direct adaptations of the books and films, the games are firmly rooted in the magical universe of the Wizarding World. While remaining true to J.K. Rowling’s original vision, Portkey game developers chart new territory by creating fresh ways for fans to immerse themselves in the Wizarding World.

[quaint oriole]

so its technically not canon?

[viral fox]

I'm not really sure what they consider it, I just have that from the #👉faq

I suppose it is canon?:

Q: Will Hogwarts Legacy adhere to Wizarding World lore?
A: Yes. While Hogwarts Legacy is not a direct adaptation of the books and films, the games are anchored in Wizarding World lore. Avalanche is creating a unique gaming experience that is inspired by the magical universe created by J.K. Rowling’s Wizarding World, in which players will find new and unexpected locations, characters and story elements.

but yes! movies can be referenced but this isn't the main discussion spot for it, to TL;DR it.

[slim knot]

Like it is prequel to books

like mostly you learn about old wizading world

[stray tangle]

I'd personally consider the game canon

[slim knot]

same

[frank jewel]

I'd consider the world canon, but not the story. Given that everyone can make different choices and have different characters, it doesn't lend itself well for something to be 'canon'. Unless the story is strictly linear I guess, but doesn't seem like it will be

[modern moth]

I think what is needed here is the definition of lore

“a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth.
"the jinns of Arabian lore"”

As opposed to whatever was suggested, I don’t know cos the comment was deleted.

[slim knot]

like you can be bad or good in this game so probably 2 possible outcomes

so story of this game might not be cannon but world story is

[vivid owl]

We don't know how much of the story the player can influence so there might be some parts of it that are the same no matter what and therefore can be solid canon

that and also the developers are allowed to state that there is a canon path to the game come the end of the games lifecycle in a few years time after release and any expansions.

[craggy moon]

maybe some side quests with different endings?

or something like telltale games

[vivid owl]

I was thinking more like how Fallout 3 has different ending options but due to the existence of Fallout 4, we know that the canon option project purity, beating the Enclave, and expanding the Brotherhood, due to Maxon becoming Elder and expanding the Brotherhood up and down the coast all the way to Boston.

I'd assume if the game gets a sequel then one of the paths (generally developers go for the generic good path) is selected as canon and they proceed as if it had happened.

the Metro games are another good example of this

But also cos Hogwarts Legacy is existing in a multi-media franchise and the books exist, if the game doesn't get a sequel but still has a few years of dlc expansions, then come the end of its lifecycle, the devs can say which is the canon path to help lead into say the build up for Fantastic Beasts or for the Harry Potter books themselves.

[crisp raven]

It is canon

Although it is made before the lives of hp

It supposedly follows the lore that we can take from the books and such

[hollow plover]

Right so hoping to see the Dumbledores

[solar cloak]

why though

i'd like it to be more of our adventure not dumbledore's

[hollow plover]

Kinda like in the Assassin Creed games you meet real historical figures.

[solar cloak]

oright but AS is not HL

[hollow plover]

huh

[crisp raven]

From what I’ve taken, we may not see any Dumbledore at all due to how early this was unless Albus’s parents tie into this

This is when our story starts

And dumbledore was born in 1881

This means that we might see him near the end of the game

But unlikely

As the trailer states “throughout the year” meaning this may be only 1 year and maybe we will get other games

[hollow plover]

Yeah I mean it's still possible I think because that's September so it's near the end of 1890 the game takes place across three years 1891, 1892 and 1983. Dumbledore went to Hogwarts in 1892.

[crisp raven]

Maybe

Then again, these are just theories

Maybe we are in the wrong channel

[hollow plover]

Well it's a bridge haha the lore of when albus was there but when the game happens around that paper is a theory.

That paper is from the first day of school according to lore and it goes for the normal school year. The game you start in your fifth year so in your seventh year albus will be coming in for his year one.

[gusty tartan]

Doesn't mean we'll meet him

[hollow plover]

I know but he'd be there.

[crisp raven]

We might just pull an HP and leave school final year

[quaint oriole]

What do we know about the other witchcraft and wizardry schools

[barren jewel]

Hi all, I just joined to this server recently, and I just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything about official release date for pc? Thanks for your answer.

[frank jewel]

It's releasing for everything at the same time. An exact date isn't know, but estimated in November / December

[barren jewel]

@frank jewel Thank you. 🙂 I can not wait. 🙂 I loved all the previous games, and I am quite curious about this one too. 😄

[dusk wraith]

I really wish they gave us more info on the other schools. Specifically castelobruxo

I wanna know more about the houses and robes and stuff there, it would be so cool if they made a movie set there or something

[oak fulcrum]

Brazil mentioned

[modern moth]

Was the true Izard tournament running in this era?

Oh gosh auto correct 😛you guys know what I meant

Tri wizard

Also if Albus joins Hogwarts in 92’ what about Grindelwald? weren’t they the same age roughly

[zealous mica]

Yo what if everyone at the end of the game gets obilivated about us that would give a reason why the main character is mentioned in anyone other wizarding world books/movies

[celest pasture]

I would hate that tbh

So much lore isn't mentioned in the books, wherefore the game can still be close to canon lore.

[full crypt]

we're living the unwritten- so honestly who knows what could happen

it's all very exciting though :D

[silver python]

It may be unwritten lore but it still needs to be faithful to the origin material.

That means there will be some constraints to what the developers can and cannot do.

[modern moth]

are some of you guys gonna treat the game as something that takes place in an alternate reality ?

[stray tangle]

Nah I am going to treat it like it's canon but the same way you don't hear much about Newt Scamander's name many years later besides that his textbook is necessary reading at Hogwarts despite his huge part in the battle against Grindelwald, our time period is even older with a headmaster that has only been mentioned briefly throughout the story. I think our name will fade into anonymity in canon the same way a lot of people from the past have.

[stray tangle]

You can tell the developers and people associated with this project deeply care about the world and basis canon of the universe it's really refreshing to see. The ASMR video only further proves that to me.

[earnest linden]

I sort of agree. I don’t think the game will destroy too much of canon and may aid it a little. And like so much of history. We know very little in the great scheme of things. Still learning actually. Even about history we think we know a lot about. Take Pompeii for instance. We’re (humanity) are still learning And uncovering artefacts and historically significant items in ancient Pompeii and Herculaneum in souther Italy.

So I think what the devs have said they will be doing and focussing on will be treated with care. Probably why they haven’t released yet. Imho. Want to double check not just quality of game code. But that the details are as accurate as they can make and still have a bit of poetic license to build upon the world.

At least that’s my hope.

[dusk wraith]

what do you mean? In the game?

[oak fulcrum]

castelobruxo

[quaint oriole]

Why do we only see horace slughorn in the half blood prince?

[oak fulcrum]

wasn't he retired

[random moon]

He was yeah

[candid marsh]

Will there be house cup/points in the gameplay

[frank jewel]

They haven't really said much about it, but there's a shot from the gameplay that looks like it has some of the hour glasses for the house points. So maybe

[cosmic flame]

I bet it will be, like some sort of long run side quest in order to win the house cup or something

The year we're entering hogwarts seems to be the 75th year of potions tournaments though that would be heaps of fun

[dusk wraith]

Yes I know it's in Brazil I'm saying I wish they gave us more!

[oak fulcrum]

and I just said Brazil mentioned relax

[dusk wraith]

sorry I misunderstood you

I wish we knew what the robes looks like

or more about the houses

[quaint oriole]

Rewatching deathly hallows i noticed something interesting. the symbol in the asmr hogwarts legacy video is quite reminiscent of xenophilius lovegood's necklace

[uncut portal]

Digging too deep. Looks like a panel you cast a spell at.

[quaint oriole]

I don't think its digging too deep, the peverell brothers were born in 1214

this game is set in 1890

[frank jewel]

The symbols aren’t even similar

[broken surge]

that websites familiar though

[wooden cave]

So... there are no houses 😦 and the uniform is bright green. I guess the minor details are open for your own imagination

[undone lion]

So I just watched Secrets of Dumbledore on HBOmax and they mentioned the origin of ancient magic (or important magic) comes from Bhutan. Will there be any relation? I doubt we would be venturing outside of the UK

[modern moth]

Secrets of Dumbledore movie was okay

[quaint oriole]

What were the issues people had with it?

[random moon]

I think one was the recast and the controversy surrounding it

[dusk wraith]

they don't have houses at all or like, we just don't know them?

[viral badger]

Let's get back to the topic please

Just a general warning as this seems to be heading off course abit

[undone lion]

Yes, the ancient magic in Bhutan. Supposedly all important ancient magic originated from there

[compact kelp]

Bhutan?

[vivid owl]

It doesn't say all, just that some of the most important ancient magic comes from there.

[compact kelp]

but where is Bhutan?

[vivid owl]

Also ancient tends to be some 1500 years ago plus from modern understandings, so about the 300CE would work

[compact kelp]

is it a real place or wizarding world place?

[vivid owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan

tis real

similar to Nepal and Tibet in that it's in the Himalayas between China and India

But to swing it back to Britain, well perhaps ancient magic could have something to do with the Celtic tribes and druidic religions from before the Romans

but unfortunately not much is known about them beyond them existing as until the Romans turned up, most of them didn't have written language

[undone lion]

A small country between China and India

[undone lion]

Right. I didn't realized I said "all" lol

[neon kindle]

Didnt dumbledore say something about him going to school in a time where there was ancient magic?

[coarse turret]

technically the love countercurse IS ancient magic

[undone lion]

In the movie?

[harsh frost]

yeah, if I remember right he mentioned it in the first movie towards the end, when Harry was sitting in the hospital bed after Voldy/Quirrell's attack

[modern moth]

Hey everyone. I got a question about something I've been thinking lately. Do you think that the whole <<Slytherin is the "bad" house>> thing is the result of bad writing? I've read quite a few interesting theories, like the one that says that we read the book from Harry's perspective, so I guess he sees them as bad.

[vivid owl]

It's not just the "from Harry's perspective" part, it's more that the Slytherins we meet, even when they don't know Harry is there, their attitude is just being an A-hole.

The only exception is Slughorn and he's more just "I'mma help you as long as you help me" kind of guy.

[modern moth]

I've read a super cool theory that says that the founders of Hogwarts cursed the hat to put "problematic" children in Slytherin, because of the whole Muggle issue of Salazar. Ofc it's not the case but pretty cool

[vivid owl]

Like sure Harry's bias could is certainly a limit on us seeing more of Slytherin, but also it really should be noted that Rowling straight up is awful at writing personalities for characters outside of the Golden Trio

So therefore we're kind of limited lore wise on our perspective

[modern moth]

I just realized it the moment I read it, about the whole personality writing of Rowling

Even though Voldemort is my favorite characters, I just find him extremely interesting

[vivid owl]

Not just that but also that in lore, we hear basically nothing from characters we know are in Slytherin, they basically don't exist beyond a name

Daphne Greengrass, Tracey Davis, and poor old Lily Moon, who didn't even make it into the books but according to Rowling's student list is in Harry's year in Slytherin

[modern moth]

Yes! I mean, we don't really need 100 pages about Slytherins, just throw in some lore about a couple students just so we see that they exist

[vivid owl]

I'd like them to not just disappear for entire books

[modern moth]

I'm really curious about our Slytherin friend in Hogwarts Legacy

[vivid owl]

Daphne and Tracey get mentioned in the first book at the sorting, and then never again

Whilst we don't know much about the Hufflepuff common room and dorms, we know enough about how their house operates that the devs wouldn't have to just make it up as they go along, whilst Slytherin, who knows how it works, it's just there

[modern moth]

Tbh I just hope that each common room has different points of interest and it will not be just a reskin

[vivid owl]

Oh we know they all look different, we've seen that already

I was just more of thinking about how the house actually works

I've read a lot of good fics that have Slytherin have internal politics that can affect relations into the wider magical Britain as a whole, and I wonder if that's how it actually is in canon

I doubt it cos that'd be a lot of effort to code in and make work for the game

but who knows

also there's a 100 years between Hogwarts Legacy and the HP books, so the way the house works could change over time

[formal holly]

Do you think if you choose a male character in Gryffindor and you try to run up to the girl’s dormitory they will implement the slide? Or just have an invisible barrier?

[leaden cypress]

Maybe an invisible barrier

Or maybe you can actually go in

[manic storm]

😭

[cobalt bison]

Polyjuice Potion

To get around the barrier of gender

[random moon]

I think that any magical barrier barring you from a sleeping area would be able to tell even with Polyjuice potion

[vivid owl]

Yeah it doesn't work for magical detections, after all there are several ways of seeing past polyjuice.

[gentle tartan]

El juego estara doblado?

a doubt, will the game have dubbing into Spanish?

[sly bramble]

I think it will probably have a lot of languages eventually.

Spanish I would actually anticipate being one of the first.

[iron karma]

Me imagino q Spañol va ser uno de los primeros languages q agregan

[viral badger]

Let's be sure to stay within lore guys. Anything else you can take it to off topic or general channels

[modern moth]

I perhaps the main reason that slytherins and their families have so much weight in the Izard of world is because they are almost always pure bloods. Old families with a lot of weight behind their names. I would be curious to know the outcome of a muggle born trying to get into slytherin. Anyways I could only imagine the weight behind an old wizard img families name would only be weightier in the past and be influential in the wizard of world regardless of whether they were slytherins. 😊

Oh gosh auto correct really doesn’t like wizard of world

Wizarding world 😛

[modern moth]

Yeah but designs can change over time. Perhaps this does belong in the theories section though 😛 it’s a possibility that is intriguing. But then it could also be digging too deep. Who knows until we get there.

Do we know when Beadle the bard wrote his exposition on the deathly hallows and was he the one to create the symbol for them? It stand still reason that their may be other renditions of the symbol.

[modern moth]

Tbh this alternate reality stuff that we get for other huge IP’s is getting a little confusing and really. As far as lore goes about this IP and how the game portrays that, Port key games have the rights. They shouldn’t need an alternate reality. It’s set in the past of the wizarding world we know and love and should treat it as such 😊

[gentle tartan]

gracias

[modern moth]

It only just occurred to me that slytherin hid the entrance to the chamber of secrets in a girls bathroom. Am I the only one that finds that weird?

[frank jewel]

Wasn’t it marked on one of the 3 brothers gravestone?

Surely that gravestone is much much older than this story

And even if it wasn’t, why would the symbol be on a random bridge at Hogwarts 😅

[modern moth]

True true 😊 it was on Ignotus’ gravestone and usually gravestones are engraved when they are placed so yeah.

[modern moth]

What does the bridge look like? The beadle the bars story mentions a bridge the brothers were trying to cross

Or at least the bridge the first brother made to get across the river

[frank jewel]

It’s this one

[modern moth]

Well I wouldn’t know what the bridge looked like that the oldest brother made so I don’t know why I asked 😛 but it’s certainly a big structure. No river though. Or maybe there is can’t see it though. Either way. We will have to wait and see. Or maybe we won’t see maybe it’s just a tease

[frank jewel]

I think it’s a symbol that means something, be it for casting a spell at it or some sort of secret. But I don’t think it’s related to the deathly hallows at all

[modern moth]

Then let’s kindly agree to disagree 😃

I will eat my words if you are right

Just a theory 🤣 we could both be wrong

[uncut portal]

Yeah, my money is something to interact with because of how much it stands out

[subtle olive]

How much do you reckon the Devs are going to borrow from the companion compendiums? Quidditch Thru the Ages, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, and the Tales of Beedle the Bard?

[modest yoke]

Hey guys i am watching the movie secrets of dumbledor and i am in the begging i paused just to ask you this

Can anyone tell me the name of this beautiful village and if it will be included in hogwarts legacy ?

It is so freaking beautiful

On the sign it says hogwarts

But it doesnt look like hogsmeade

[frank jewel]

Pretty sure it's Hogsmeade

Looks very much like it

[forest blade]

yeah it is, there is a short shot of the other sign showing hogsmeade at the beginning of that clip

[modest yoke]

Oh have the chimneys changed shape at some point in time? I didnt remember them like that

[vivid owl]

Pretty sure that it's almost the same as we see it in the HP films.

[frank jewel]

This is from the 5th movie (I believe) and It looks very similar to me.

[steel arch]

Yes it will be in Hogwarts Legacy 👌

[uncut portal]

https://tenor.com/view/longstare-stare-gif-5366362

[tiny berry]

Just watched fantastic beasts

That shit was so boring omg

[kindred thicket]

Thats something for the #🎥film-and-tv channel ;). And i loved it.

[hexed echo]

hello! adding a bit here, since Hogsmeade is so close to Hogwarts (within carriage/walking distance), the signs point in the direction of the castle. So in this pic, the path that leads to the castle is to the right. I believe there are similar signs near the gates of the castle that point to Hogsmeade. Midway in the path, you'd find a directional sign with both names

[iron karma]

really????? I loved it-😭

[trim swallow]

Do we allready know something more detailed about the game release?

[stiff garnet]

The only thing that is known is that they will not give new news until the end of summer.

[undone lion]

They did say "later this summer". We have between now until end of August for any news. The next gaming event is Gamescom on August 24-28 in Cologne, Germany

[exotic urchin]

watch it get released either christmas or december 31

[drifting flower]

😢

[random moon]

Everything about these “pre order” things atm are just placeholders.

The date is just the absolute latest date, being the last day of 2022 when the game is slated to release this year

Wait for a proper release date announcement. Which will probably happen when pre orders start properly.

The current pre orders are more reservations of copies for when the game launches/retailers start buying copies wholesale to then sell

[modern moth]

Does anybody know the name of the spell Voldemort uses here? (If it's known at all) 🙏

[violet lion]

sorry I don't know

[barren merlin]

I guess it's not been ever mentioned before

I'd always supposed it was some kind of dark magic as Fiendfyre

[modern moth]

It's all good, thanks a lot! I was curious because it's probably my all time favorite spell from the movies, I don't know why, it looks super cool

[tacit plinth]

I don’t think it’s a named spell, as seen with duels between more powerful wizards, they often silent cast, and i believe once a wizard gets to a certain point they no longer need to use certain spells and they just will it. So with that in mind I always thought he was just focusing his rage into a dark force and just kinda shooting it at Dumbledore, sort of what we see with Credence and his obscurial.

[frail forge]

It almost looks as though he’s channeling an obscurus. 👀

[stone matrix]

Yeah I’ve always read that fight as raw power. In the films we see the flames vs water… I think it’s elemental magic, than only the most powerful have. Very possibly related to the ancient magic that we will see in the game

[modern moth]

So epic

Thank you all!

[languid cloud]

They need to let us use that magic

[carmine shadow]

I like the one where he spits out a bonfire serpent.

Voldemort looks demonic with these face expressions.

[earnest linden]

Hey yo. Does anyone have ideas about wendelin the weird and maybe fiendfyre or other types of fire spells. Specifically in use of flame freezing charm and not dying in fire….

[vivid owl]

don't think flame freezing charms are going to stop fiendfyre considering it's meant to be a malevolent dark flame that wants to consume everything within reach.

[earnest linden]

Ig. Was just curious about thoughts on spells and counter spells.

Think it’d be cool if like that were a thing…no?

[vivid owl]

I mean maybe but then it kind of removes a big part of the threat of fiendfyre is you can just defeat it like normal fire.

[earnest linden]

Maybe.

What if not fiendfyre but other types of magical fire. Like the barrier snape used o. The potions puzzle in philosophers stone?

That used a potion to get through the black flames.

Why not the same spell.

[vivid owl]

should work there, yeah

[earnest linden]

I mean if you think about logic tests and hermiones comment about lack of logic in wizards. If you see potions I front of you. But you want to trap someone. Bait them into thinking a potion I’d only solution then cast charm. And see what happens.

[vivid owl]

after all the potion does just give the same effect as the spell

[earnest linden]

It’s something I’d do in a dnd game development. Speaking of. Maybe I should.🤔

[vivid owl]

hence why Quirrel didn't take any of the potion and went straight through, so Harry was able to take it

[earnest linden]

Was my thinking too.

Unless the potion is enchanted to be refilling. Which I’d doubt if it were Snape.

[vivid owl]

When you're looking up the political situation of Britain in the 1690s for the jollies of writing a HP fan fic so you can have characters belong to actual parties instead of simply the "Light" or the "Dark" factions

Tories (Conservatives) and Whigs (Liberals) were the two main parties at the time and the Whigs did seem to generally have the upper hand though they actually lost the election in 1690.

The reason why I'm looking this up is that the Wizarding World is shown to be traditionalist (even for its liberal members) and so I feel they'd stick with those parties pretty much ever since the 1692 Statute of Secrecy Act by the ICW.

That's for the House of Commons

but as the Wizengamot functions as a mix between the House of Commons and the House of Lords, it complicates things as the hereditary Lords have permanent seats no matter what, whilst the elected seats can change hands.

ooh complications

love it

This is the sort of in depth lore I'd actually love to be in the HP world

like how'd Fudge get to be Minister of Magic?

does the Wizengamot call elected seats "Warlock" or "Minister" ?

who knows

[faint compass]

Warlock is a title in the HP universe but we aren’t really sure what it means (unless it’s been explained in some obscure place I missed) so it could be that.

[vivid owl]

Yeah hence why I'd like to know

but honestly I put more thought into this than Rowling does

so

[sly verge]

i doubt the traditionalist world would have a house of commons where there could be people elected the old pure bloods don’t approve of and so it’d only be house of lords acting as a deciding body

with dumbledore acting as chief warlock it implies there’s lower warlocks perhaps the people who hold the seats of the sacred twenty eight and have a double vote weighting of some sort

either way some of the best fanfics have these accurate politics much more thought out than mine and the best part is that you can pretty much make it up since jk doesn’t care to elaborate and harry never knew

[vivid owl]

The House of Commons has existed for a long time since before the Statute of Secrecy existed. So I don't really see that being a problem. Especially as it is the Statute which caused the pureblood tendency to look down on muggles, after all many pureblood families interacted and married muggles before the Statute, and so swung heavily conservative as a way of denying their connection to the muggles after it was enacted.

I know I put way too much thought into the whole situation, and that technically I don't need to, but I find it interesting so I end up doing so.

[subtle olive]

well we saw the MC call down the lightning so elemental magic kind of goes without saying. The one that really caught my eye was the telekinesis where using magic you can ragdoll people. TK is an extremely OP skillset and even in Potter it's both the easiest to learn but most difficult to master. I want to maximize that potential

[stone matrix]

That could make us potentially more powerful than Dumbledore. Could be fun! One thing I liked about HP is he was never the most powerful or most clever etc. he was Just Harry. But being all powerful in that world would be very fun

[subtle olive]

Well the game implies we already can bend ancient magic. But how we choose to play the game will determine if we're either a Dumbledore or a Harry. It's our personal customization and gameplay style that makes up the difference

[modern moth]

Just like any rpg building a set that works to your play style to crush anything that comes your way

[craggy moon]

what if i just wanna be chaos incarnate?

[hollow plover]

I'd say you are in the wrong house

[craggy moon]

i switch houses every few days

[viral badger]

Let's keep on topic please

[paper ferry]

yeah i kinda wanna be the bad guy in the game ngl

just like destroy everything

or like take over the world yk

[idle cypress]

not destroy everything but just take over the world and become the most feared/powerful dark wizard type

[paper ferry]

huh?

[viral badger]

@sour bramble probably not a good topic to bring up

[signal thistle]

Yeah this is going to be the second save file for me

[paper ferry]

yesss

one for the main story and one for the dark one

[earnest linden]

That hasn’t changed. Lol.

[vivid owl]

Technically it's a different Tory party now, but yeah.

Either way the historical research gave me a good base to work from for my most recent HP fan fic

[earnest linden]

So I think you have it just about right. But the wizzenagamot or wizarding judiciary and legislature. Same office… is I thought the sacred 28 as the permanent seats and the rest of the seats that were seasonal or “elected” were based on job. Ie minister, heads of departments and secretary’s …

At least as far as wizarding Britain is concerned.

[vivid owl]

The Sacred 28 was only declared back in the 1920s by Cantankerous Nott, so it's not exactly like they are going to have permanent seats

especially as like say the Weasleys, well known pure-bloods, never seemed to have ever had much power really.

[vivid owl]

I was thinking that the Wizengamot being a merge of the House of Commons and the House of Lords would have a similar sort of layout as the House of Lords with the two main sides of benches and then the crossbenches at the back.

I was thinking makeup wise it's have around 50 peerage seats (around some 30 for England/Wales and then around 12 for Scotland and 8 for Ireland), an elected seat for each county (so 39 for England, 13 for Wales, 33 for Scotland, and 8 for Ireland, using numbers than I can find from stuff around 1600s), plus the Minister for Magic and the 7 Department Heads.

Making for around 151 seats in total.

Which sort of fits with the amount of people are supposedly in it when Harry faces a trial in front of the full Wizengamot

Also I discounted using any Boroughs or Cities that provide MPs that existed back in the actual parliament during the 1690s

but if I was to add some of them in then it'd probably be for specific areas like the "Borough of Hogsmede" or something

which with a greater than average concentration of magicals should probably get their own representative

And by law everyone has to refer to each other as the "Right Honourable Warlock" unless they are addressing one of the nobles at which point it's "Right Honourable Lord/Lady", or the Minister and Department Heads which would just be "Minister" or "Director"

Do you think I might have put too much thought into this?

[earnest linden]

Ig your right. What about more prominent pure blood family lines so the sacred 28 being a part of a much larger forum? So like as well as the 28 you also have the potters the macgonagalls dumbledores princes And crabbe and goyle etc.

It just seems more fitting that as you said the wizenagamot being mostly like the House of Lords and a few elected positions thrown in for variety. Like maybe the head of the dmle the ministers position the secretary, and maybe the the head of the unspeakables. And maybe a few others.

[earnest linden]

Maybe. I don’t think it’d be made up by geographical locales. Maybe not specifically because wizarding World is smaller population than muggle pop. I mean look at h the kids at Hogwarts. It’s barely a hundred 11yods in a single cohort at a single school.

I think it’s more reasonable to go with the based on the different locales the lords manors are. And take it from there. Also I imagine some of the pure blood “lords” seats to be vacant as the lines may have died out in the male line since the formation of the government. ie Peverell, le fey, emrys, etc.

[earnest linden]

Also your about 101 excess members.

There’s roughly 50 seats in the wizzenagamot.

So I’d say probably <20% of which would be elected positions. And the rest being lords of wizard kind.

[craggy moon]

isnt hogwarts hard to get into or somethin like that?

[earnest linden]

No idea.

[craggy moon]

"very single magical children born in the British Isles immediately gets a place in Hogwarts. There's no acceptance requirements or anything. If you're magical, you get in" nevermind i was wrong

you just have to be british

ew

[earnest linden]

In the book there’s not much to go on except what sounds like 1 boarding school per nation of wizard folk.

And looking at Europe there beau-baton in France west Europe and durmstrang where Bulgarian player viktor went so assuming east Europe…. . Illvermouney in US Mahoutokoro in Japan. And the rest are not officially recognised yet.

[earnest linden]

I imagine you need to have magic to perform the core curriculum. The gaunts preferred homeschooling after a time when they started to marry to close to home….

I luv how incomplete the wizarding worlds conceptualisation is. Means more for the imagination.

[vivid owl]

So @earnest linden to answer most of your concerns in one message I guess.

The numbers I arrived at came from taking the Parliament of England which at around 1690 was made up of around 200 lords from across the British Isles in the House of Lords, and a total of 513 elected seats in the House of Commons. I then basically shrunk those numbers to the minimums in a sense.
For the Lords I imagined that many of the older named families have backed the crown over the centuries and hence been ennobled in some way be it Baronet, Baron, Viscount or even Earl, which gave me at least 30+ families from named lore who are "old pure-blood" who could be noble, so I just roughed out a guess for other Scottish and Irish noble magicals and added them to the mix and got around 50.
For the elected seats I just dropped all the boroughs and metropolitan areas and just went for the counties that existed at the time, though I could potentially add a couple of magical ones in like Hogsmede, Diagon, Godric's Hollow and so on.
Then lastly we already know that the Minister and the Department Heads all get seats as well.

So overall I achieved the number of around 151 after totting everything up.

Now I guess I should state this is my idea for the Wizengamot as it should be and as it is before Grindelwald and then later Voldemort decimate the Wizarding population in Britain and murder a load of the old families.

So come Harry's time the group would be a lot smaller say around the 50-70 member mark because of everything that's happened and is happily declining even more over the course of the book series.
By the end of the series I'm surprised that there's enough members for it to even sit in session let alone actually function.

[earnest linden]

Hahaha. I can imagine why the numbers dwindled. What with Grindelwald and Tom riddle. But that should have only affected England not all of the British isles and rest of wizarding world. As for numbers. I don’t think it would be as larg given population size of both worlds. Muggles number in the many naturally afterall.

Also the wizarding world didn’t have kings as muggles did….as far as I know….they had their elected official the mugwump or chief warlock or what have you…. The only “lord” in wizarding culture were those that chose self proclaimed titles over a branch of magic….

Ig the numbers being more than 50 but I would t go so high as 151 just yet. Cause even toting just the family members I don’t see that many elected ones. And to suit how the politics of wizarding world seem to go. The majority of the seats should be in old pureblod families.

Also I’m starting to think we’re arguing the same points. Lol. If debating the minutia that we dont rightly know. Due to the incompleteness of jkr s book wasn’t about govt.

[vivid owl]

Oh that decrease in population from Grindelwald and Moldyshorts would have effected all of Britain, not just England.

So my thought is that most of the elected seats are no longer held by Harry's time as there aren't any magicals living in those counties and so they don't need representation.

Either way I mostly came up with those numbers to justify a fan fic I've got set around the same time as the current Fantastic Beasts films.

[earnest linden]

Good luck with that.

[heady current]

My thoughts on the position of Warlock is that the Warlocks are the Wizarding equivalent of Nobility, in which the position is earned through great works for the Wizarding community.

[rotund raptor]

is there a lore explanation about moving pictures or portraits? are they like ghosts stuck in pictures?

[random moon]

They’re enchanted to move and have an imprint of the personality of the person/thing they’re a painting of

So they won’t have the memories of the person/thing they’re a painting of.

[rotund raptor]

but they can also be faked right? like them being made to have a different personality

like with sirius for example

in the paper him acting all crazy and stuff

[celest pasture]

The portaits have the memories of the person as well.

[random moon]

No they don’t

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/hogwarts-portraits

[devout kettle]

The portraits only have the memories of the person if they are given them directly. For example, Headmasters of Hogwarts actually have their portraits done quite in advance so that they can have plenty of time for imprinting their personality, mannerisms and memories/bits of wisdom. If this isn't done, then the painting is given as much as the painter knows.

[random moon]

They’re made to emulate the person thing they’re a painting of. But it’s just emulated. They don’t have the memories of the subject, just emulated behaviours and maybe some phrases.

[random moon]

And they’re not exactly memories, just told experiences/knowledge given to them that they can then say to anyone they interact with.

[devout kettle]

well if the painting remembers them aren't they still memories?😏 jk jk

also, where do y'all get the house emblems at?

nvm found it

[celest pasture]

So the paintings are given the memories of the person they portrait, which means they do have some kind of memory.

How would Dumbledore's portrait know what he has put Harry through? Definitely not through "emulated behaviour".

[random moon]

JKR said in that post I linked earlier that Headmasters get their Portraits early so they can impart their wisdom/knowledge/experiences to them.

That’s different to the portrait having the actual memories. They just have the knowledge of what experiences they were told be the actual person they’re a painting of.

So all the painting would be doing is parroting what it was told. Not remembering the actual experience because they don’t have the actual memory.

[celest pasture]

Knowledge of experiences is essentially memories. Of course they aren't their own and I never said they were.

[vivid owl]

The paintings can learn and remember things from after they were painted though, so there's that

For example say someone is murdered in front of a painting, then said painting can recount the murder to someone

[solar cloak]

thats cool

so not only their image is a worked on by the artist, also their personality is given by the artist or other people

[earnest linden]

I’ve always wondered if she of painting is also required. Because Hogwarts gained a personality from all the magical children wondering it’s halls for centuries. So I wonder if the same is true for the paintings.

[tacit plinth]

Oh I was under the impression that they just appeared after the headmaster left office and that hogwarts itself makes them, I’ve always been pretty sure about that, maybe it’s stated in the books
somewhere. Otherwise I have no idea where I came up with that

[raw zealot]

so basically NPC´s

I had the belief that a portrait was a copy of your soul locked it inside, this way the witches and wizards portraits could actually learn about the current situation and act and give advice about stuff

[balmy acorn]

well they can learn and give advice. they are taught to think and act just like the person the portrait is to portray.

[sharp arch]

In the books harry potter actually talked to Dumbledore via portrait so the soul belief could be true

[random moon]

The portraits are taught the experiences and mannerisms of their subject,

Headmaster portraits are given early to said headmaster so they can impart any knowledge they deem important and help them better mimic their subject.

It’s not a soul. It’s just a facsimile of some of the subjects mannerisms and verbally told experiences.

The paintings are sentient. But they’re not sapient in a traditional sense, they are imitations taught to emulate their subject to varying degrees.

[modern moth]

as for the picture of sirius in the daily prophet raging and screaming who's to say he wasnt doing that when he got to azkaban. he was still probably really pissed off as to why he was there.

[fervent crest]

I wonder why voldemort didn’t create a horcrux painting

That could draw you into the world of the painting 👀👀

[tired hornet]

I don't think he was artistic, lol. Personally, I like Dumbledore's explanation. He was obsessed with greatness and wizarding history, and felt only the most prized artifacts of the wizarding world would be worthy of his soul, just as he felt only the Elder Wand was a worthy wand for himself.

[loud basin]

Because his horcruxes were his personal things

[fervent crest]

Not all of them though, like the diadem

[loud basin]

It was

With Hogwarts

[idle cypress]

He felt somewhat of a bond with the diadem or atleast some feeling to it was attached, he also hid it in the only place he felt good at, hogwarts, which we also see happening with harry etc only feels at home at hogwarts

so that’s why he hid it in hogwarts

[subtle olive]

ya know... That would certainly be interesting to see Wizarding Parliament or Magical Congress like a House of Cards style drama. I'd say avoid the Potter era because then we'd end up just rooting for the Golden Trio to overcome the Ministry's BS, but an uncharted era (hell why not, why not during the Rise of Voldemort and the First Wizarding War and make it a companion to a Mauraders Hogwarts TV series) and we get more gray areas to witness in the Wizarding World while Mauraders we get something a bit more familiar in terms of the formula

or books. I'd take books of that too

[limpid trail]

In 1984 harry potter

[modern moth]

Hi I have a question. Does JK Rowling had ever said which core Dumbledor wand has? Before he was master of Elder Wand.

[random moon]

No JKR has never told us what his former wand was made of/what core it had

[kindred warren]

That should be reveal in secret of Dumbledore

[toxic canopy]

this looks awesome

[lusty herald]

This actually looks nostalgic because other old games had a very similar looking area

[solar cloak]

there has to be a secret room behind that shield

like in the other games right

[lusty herald]

I might play this game on Hard difficulty with many of the UI elements turned off and find my own secrets, if it does have pointers on map.

Build my own lore

[toxic canopy]

Imagine if there is !

I don’t remember much of the other games I was considering playing the one that released for the PlayStation I think 3 ? It was order of the phoenix I believe or am I mistaken ?

[severe jewel]

do you really think the mc's a warewolf?

[vivid owl]

No idea

[severe jewel]

cuz wwaw made a good case for it

[vivid owl]

but that'd count as a #🧠theories rather than #lore

[severe jewel]

fair

[solar cloak]

how would that even work?

[idle cypress]

this looks like the entrance in the first hp game

idk it’d giving me those vibes

[vivid owl]

The house badges/flags they made are just meant to be that centuries interpretation of the symbols from when they last replaced the hangings in the castle.

But the stone carved crest is original, it's part of the wall, so probably made by the Founders or those shortly after them.

Also in a school that old there would be plenty of leftover designs from earlier periods.

[iron karma]

omg if the MC is a werewolf Im going to loose it!!

that would be rlly cool

but I think it would be even more cool if we could be an animagus

[stuck epoch]

Both unlikely but animagus more possible

Animagus could be in the game or be added as a addon/dlc but us being a werewolf is something i doubt

Even being an animagus is since its a really complex spell and not something a 5th year could pull of let alone someone who just joined hogwarts

[coral pelican]

In the State of play you can clearly see the full moon behind MC at 14.14, so he is clearly not a werewolf!

[stuck epoch]

He mightve taken the poition so that doesn’t really confirm it

[celest pasture]

The potion didn't even exist at that time.

Therefore the werewolf theory doesn't make any sense.

[random moon]

Yeah Wolfsbane Potion wasn’t invented until 90 odd years later

And it doesn’t stop a werewolf from transforming. It just lets them keep their own mind and reasoning when they do so they won’t hurt anyone (unless that’s what they intend to do like Greyback who likes biting kids to turn them into werewolves)

[stuck epoch]

Ah thanks fro telling me

[stuck epoch]

Alright thanks for clarifying

[idle cypress]

Didnt the marauders pull it off thoigh

[random moon]

Sure… but it’s still extremely risky and complex to do.

The Marauders were lucky. If you mess up it can leave you in a half human half animal form.

And that’s ignoring the very specific method of doing the ritual. If one thing doesn’t go right (like the weather) then you have to start again from scratch.

[idle cypress]

true

might be a dlc we see further on tbf

doubt itll be included in the main game

[random moon]

Plus the Marauders did it illegally, with no supervision.

And also never registered with the Ministry.

Pretty sure you can get in a lot of trouble if you’re caught as an illegal, unregistered Animagus.

[tired hornet]

The Ministry seems to love registering just about everything a witch or wizard can do while doing nothing of any substantial worth.

[idle cypress]

yeah

[loud basin]

You are going in Azkaban for that

[random moon]

They have a werewolf registry too.

Understandably, not a lot of werewolves register as they have a hard enough time as it is, never mind if their condition became public knowledge

[stuck epoch]

Yes but they were extremely skilled in transfiguration and potions and lucky also i dont know when but id say not in their 5th year

[stuck epoch]

Also you could succeed but be stuck in animal form for the rest of your life

[stuck epoch]

You gotta remember that we are doing our first year in hogwarts so although we might have basic knowledge to cast spells we are nowhere near being good enough to do that

Mcgonnagall did it at 17 with the help of dumbledor btw

[graceful wedge]

I wander if the game will allow our characters to grow. like we finish the game and pass 5th grade and next time we play it we are in 6th. or if over a period of time we go to the next grade after achieving certain things. or if they end up making a whole game for each year. or if they dont end up doing anything like that at all.

also good morning @stuck epoch and everyone else 🙂

[frank jewel]

Most likely this game will only be year 5

at least that's what the trailers seem to suggest

[graceful wedge]

well ether way im going to enjoy as much of it as i can 🙂

[stuck epoch]

Good morning

[graceful wedge]

🙂

[stuck epoch]

Think so as well. Its mostly been like this so i can’t imagine it being different now.

[graceful wedge]

hey i have a question i saw that you all were talking about transfiguring into animals. i was wandering what are all the animals in the wizard world that people can change into anyways?

[stuck epoch]

you can transfigure into basically anything as long as your skilled enough (newt level students are supposed to start learing self-transfiguration) and for animagus forms basically any patronus (its said that your patronus will be you animagus form)

[graceful wedge]

then mine would be a hippogryph. if i go by the test thing on the wizard world site.

[stuck epoch]

yes

[graceful wedge]

that would be freaking awesome 😄

[stuck epoch]

thats a unimaginably rare patronus btw

cause its a magic creature

[graceful wedge]

it took me foooooorrrreeevvvvveeeerrrr on that site to figure out what house i was. i hate multi choice when you cant do more then one choice when more then one choice fits you lol. so i was like weeeeeellllll then ill do the house test at least 10 times and what ever i get the most will be the house for me lol.

in that process i ended up getting hypogrpyh at some point then the thestral and then hypogryph again and i was like its a keeper when i read what they represented 🙂

i loved the fact that you could be a saint bernard as well. i wouldnt have minded getting that one. they hold a close place to my heart. it be kick but being able to have one as a pet in game.

but not going to hold my breath on that one. But yeah there are a lot of good forms out there. I tried to find a complete list to learn what all the forms were and what they represented but couldnt find one.

[graceful wedge]

@stuck epoch is the one that mentioned animagus form. they said that its said that your protronus form will be your animagus form. so i was telling them one my patronus form is @shy swallow . but honestly id love to know more about that whole subject if there is more to learn 🙂

[loud basin]

My patronus is dolphin

[fervent crest]

Right lol

[stuck epoch]

sadly there is close to no knowledge about your animagus form (like how its chosen (you dont chose it its rather random youll see it just before you turn into it tho)). it is said that your patronus will be your animagus but there is to little info about both.

[fervent crest]

What is even the point of the ministry

[stuck epoch]

its like the government of the magic world

[fervent crest]

I'm still trying to figure out how they worked out the humuncolous charm

[fervent crest]

right!

[stuck epoch]

but one thing about that doenst make sense for me. you have to register your animagus form so they know and can keep tabs on you and ask for your help and stuff but if you dont register youll got to prison where you easily can break out from due to you being an animagus and dementors dont go after animals.

also some fun fact about underage magic. they only know when someone in the area of an underage magician cast a spell and what kind of spell but not who so everyone in a magic family is safe to cast as much as they want and theyll just assume it was the parents and muggleborn get punished.

[tired hornet]

I get that there does need to be a governing body, especially because potentially everyone can accidentally cause massive problems with a spell gone wrong, replace their own head with a pumpkin or any other number of dumb things, brew love potions, luck potions and so on. Some regulations need to be in effect to keep everyone safe.

I think the Ministry's biggest problem is that it seemingly has no real oversight, nothing set in place to keep it from either seizing too much power (Hogwarts High Inquisitor) or overly regulating the most pointless things like Cauldron bottoms.

The beauracracy has gotten too big and now needs to feed the red tape to feel like they're doing anything.

[graceful wedge]

lol just thinking about them gives me a headace ><

[tired hornet]

It's better than discussing real world governments and politicizing a video game. Much better to talk about fictional politics that only affect a fictional world in a forum about said fictional world.

[loud basin]

Cornelius fudge

Was affraid of everything

And that scrimgeour died

[loud basin]

And he didn't tell Voldemort where Harry is

[tired hornet]

Scrimgeour was a better minister than Fudge was, but wasn't in office long enough to do anything remarkable so we can't say he was a good or even decent one. He still acted on the policy of "The Ministry needs to look like it's doing something" that Fudge followed.

I kind of expected more from him, but it does make sense.

[loud basin]

Scrimgeour told Harry that he can be his "mascot" but I think that's something that I would do too

Scrimgeour wasn't bad he just had 1 year

He was brave

[stuck epoch]

he was in a bad spot as well with the war going on and all that

and him being more of a puppet for voldemort and trying his best not to be

[loud basin]

Scrimgeour is good for me because he didn't tell Voldemort where Harry is

And that's why I know he would be good ministry of magic

[tired hornet]

Also, being fair to Scrimgeour, he didn't have it easy. He came in after Fudge effectively destroyed the Ministry's reputation and put the children of magical britain in considerable danger by appointing Umbridge to Hogwarts, put all of britain in danger by refusing to acknowledge the ever-growing evidence of Voldemort's return until he had no actual choice in the matter.

Scrimgeour had to somehow find a way to win the trust of the public back, kiss the butt of Harry and Dumbledore, whom had been slandered for a year, deal with the fallout that Fudge had left, and had to deal with a war with Voldemort where he had grown in considerable strength because of Ministry inaction leading up to his taking office.

His job wasn't easy.

[stuck epoch]

not only did fudge put all of britai in danger but at least europe as well

[loud basin]

And he promoted Arthur

He did so many good new departments

@tired hornet did you know that he was boss of aurors?

[tired hornet]

I did. Of course, so was Amelia Bones until partway through Harry's 5th year when she was murdered. So he was only the boss of the aurors for a few months.

[fervent crest]

“He’s back!”

[loud basin]

It was in 6th book

I think

[loud basin]

Hello

[loud basin]

Kingsley and tonks had questions from him about Harry in 5th year

[tired hornet]

I'm sure he did the best he could. He didn't have enough time, had to deal with Fudge's inaction and destroying the Ministry's reputation, a lot of corruption within the Ministry from Death Eater insiders, so he desperately needed the Ministry to look like it was doing something. It does make sense why Harry never gave him any more of the time of day than was absolutely required though.

[fervent crest]

Yeah Harry lost all trust by that point

Btw I always imagined Harry becoming a quidditch player after school

Or a teacher

Not what he eventually became

[loud basin]

what if scrimgeour fired umbridge or what if he sent her to the Azkaban? would harry change his mind then?

@tired hornet

[tired hornet]

I don't think it would. The dementors would have been long gone by then and Azkaban had a mass breakout. It would effectively be giving Umbridge to Voldemort, which is what she willingly chose to do after Scrimgeour's death.

Considering how well Harry holds grudges, and how he effectively blamed Snape for everything that happened in the Ministry and to Sirius and just wouldn't hear anyone say anything else and would not even consider that Snape just couldn't do anything in that moment Harry tried to call him for help, I don't think there was anything Scrimgeour could have done to win Harry's trust.

Harry thinks of things in a very black and white world-view and never even considers the existence of nuance. Not until the 7th book where he is on the run, stealing food, using unforgivables on goblins, planning to break into Gringotts and break a promise to Griphook about the sword of Gryffindor before finally seeing Snape's memories.

For example, he wouldn't ever hear that Dumbledore wasn't perfect and dismissed Rita Skeeter's book out of hand that was about his life. Considering his relationship with Rita to that point it makes sense, but Harry had put him on a pedestal and effectively duct taped his ideal to that pedestal and wouldn't hear anything but that.

[loud basin]

how did scrimgeour perceive fudge when fudge was his boss?

I think they weren't friends

[loud basin]

What do you think about it @tired hornet ?

[tired hornet]

I have no idea. Scrimgeor just didn't get enough screen time and it was told from Harry's perspective. Hi opinion of the Ministry was at an all-time low and I don't think the minister could do anything to improve his opinion.

[loud basin]

Ok

Do you want to talk about something?

[tired hornet]

I was about to get off for lunch.

[loud basin]

Bye

[tired hornet]

See ya.

[loud basin]

Cya

I gtg gn

[fervent crest]

Is the source of magic ever detailed in Harry Potter?

For example how the force is explained in Star Wars?

[hollow aurora]

Can verify that it has not been explicitly stated. One could surmise that the way that the books/supporting literature is written, magic comes from nature; ingrained in magical objects/beings. Wizards can utilize it by channeling the naturally occurring magic through themselves. There is a note about modern wizards having inferior abilities to their ancestors who did not necessarily need a wand to preform magic with few people in modern magi-history who are capable of performing wandless magic (Grindelwald, Voldemort, Albus, etc); who are notably more powerful than the average wizard.

[fervent crest]

And witches/ wizards in Africa too I believe according to JK

[fervent crest]

I wonder who the first witch or wizard was and how they discovered they were magical

Like is there a way to make a muggle a witch or wizard like in The Witcher (making someone a Witcher)

Or like in black panther where a plant can unlock supernatural powers

Or were they taught magic by magical beings like in avatar the last airbender

I dunno maybe I’m diving too deep lol

[random moon]

There’s no way to make a Muggle magical. Muggle borns come about due to there being a magical ancestor somewhere in their family history and that capability for magic reappearing in them

I think magic has always been an innate thing in magical people. Wands are simply a means to better focus it and we’re a European invention, but other continents have managed to excel at magic without wands. Wandless magic is a feat any magical person can do with enough training, but communities more accustomed to wands might have a harder time adapting

[fervent crest]

I guess I wonder if following the theory of evolution, where witches/ wizards break off from homosapiens in the timeline. But I’m probably going to deep 🤣

Because there is a hint at an ancient form of magic in the HL trailer and that has completely mind boggled me

[worn locust]

Quick question- when a spell is cast, is it required to say the name of that spell? Or can you get to a point where you can just do magic without saying anything

[frank jewel]

You can cast a spell without saying the words if you're good enough

[worn locust]

Aaah alright. Thank you

[random moon]

Non verbal spellcasting is a very high level skill.

That and wandless magic if you’re from a community that commonly uses wands.

Combining the two is a very impressive feat for any witch or wizard

[vivid owl]

There is a path to be able to do all that though.

Start with learning point casting (removing wand movements) whilst saying the incantation quieter and quieter whilst still aiming for the same results. Once achieved, a witch or wizard can then try to drop the incantation completely. If successful then they can move to casting without a focus such as a wand.

Takes time and effort and honestly that seems to be the major turn off for most magicals as they are a fairly lazy bunch in general.

[mortal sand]

are the toilets magical

[graceful wedge]

god i hope so cause i wouldnt want to clean them lol

[fervent crest]

In the ministry yeah lol

[stuck epoch]

aint just normal tiolets. fun fact they havent been there for the most time and everyone in hogwarts just used a vanishing charm to discard of it

[vivid owl]

I will fight against that piece of lore until the day I die

[stuck epoch]

))))

[vivid owl]

Rowling was an idiot and believed toilets didn't exist before the invention of modern plumbing

[stuck epoch]

also the vanishing charm was taught to harry in his 5th year so if its been like that even before the 1700s you can just imagen how it was

[vivid owl]

There is no way in hell that they just cast the vanishing charm when it requires 4 and a half school years worth of education to learn

like what did anyone 4th year and younger do?

[stuck epoch]

1700s because thats when they installed most of it

[vivid owl]

just walk around with soiled undies?

no

they would have had toilets

even the Romans had toilets

it's not a new concept

[stuck epoch]

ask other students i guess like 5+ year students

[stuck epoch]

but they dont like muggles

)))))

[vivid owl]

are you really going to ask someone else to point a wand at your privates and vanish your poop whilst and hope that they don't vanish your underwear or even parts of you?

I wouldn't

[stuck epoch]

think they just did the deed on the floor not their pants

and vanished them after

[vivid owl]

and the Statute of Secrecy was enacted in 1692, toilets were invented some 2000+ years before that

so yes there was toilets

of the medieval style

[stuck epoch]

might as well do it like they did if its medieval style tbh

[vivid owl]

which is really just a seat over a shaft leading down to a pit where the excrement ended up

[stuck epoch]

medieval style was just your inside and dumb it outside after a while

[vivid owl]

either that or a seat in an area which pushed out past the wall so the stuff dropped into the moat

[stuck epoch]

so the vanishing charm would be cleaner

[vivid owl]

no

you'd just put a vanishing charm at the bottom of the pit

[stuck epoch]

and if it was normal at that time i would imagine it wouldnt be as embarrassing as it would nowadays

[vivid owl]

why would you crap on the floor then vanish it when there'd be a room that you could go to and do it in private

[stuck epoch]

dunno what to tell you it lore

[vivid owl]

don't defend Rowling being an idiot

[stuck epoch]

and they disliked muggle techniques

[vivid owl]

she may have made something "lore" but that doesn't mean it actually is

[stuck epoch]

not doing that xDD just sticking to the lore mate

[stuck epoch]

it literally means just that

[vivid owl]

After all she literally has forgotten characters names and accidentally made siblings for them

Daphne and Astoria Greengrass for example

[stuck epoch]

she a little confused yes but having to imaging all those things you would get things mixed up imo

[vivid owl]

meant to have Draco marry Daphne, forgot her name cos Daphne didn't appear after the first book, then made Astoria as Draco's wife

[stuck epoch]

so i dont think its that big of a deal

[vivid owl]

Considering I make world documents that contain this information so I can double check, I'm not so sure

[stuck epoch]

yea but thats irl and not things you alone have to think and imagine

[vivid owl]

Err yeah I have to imagine that stuff, it's my own original fantasy worlds, with characters locations, organisations, vehicles, and so on.

either way, Rowling was wrong, Hogwarts being built in the late 10th century would have been built with toilets, that's a basic fact of castle design.

[stuck epoch]

if thats what you think than thats that

lets just agree to disagree

[stuck epoch]

and didnt know that sounded different to me when you said that

[vivid owl]

I'd expand upon that but it'd be either #😎off-topic or #🎨art-and-ugc-archive instead of lore.

[frigid tartan]

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[serene ibex]

Ty!

[frigid tartan]

no problem!!

[manic olive]

so excited to find out the depth of the lore that’s been woven into this game

[winter stirrup]

Glance at this channel and it’s a snakefest

Slytherins in Lore. That’s always worrying.

[modern moth]

worrying if you're being housist 🤣

[worn locust]

I've had a question on my mind for a bit.

What defines a 'powerful' Wizard? I know that some wands are stronger than others, but are some wizards/witches inherently more magically adept or stronger than others?

Or is it just a matter of being clever and having a vast amount of knowledge?

[rotund trail]

I think, some wizards are just stronger by blood
Lets look at Squibs, they have wizard parents and wizard blood but they are unable to cast magic
Equally, can a wizard be born with a gift for using magic
It seems to be somewhat blood related, but anomalies happen like in the case of Hermione

[worn locust]

Hm hmmm... questions abound. But! Thus is the duty of those who theorize

[rotund trail]

Indeed, it is a good question I have never given it thought before
Of course, yes knowledge plays the main part because powerful blood or not, you can't cast a spell if you don't know how to xD but blood does seem to play a part in it for reasons i have already explained

[modern moth]

I have little knowledge of magic 😅

But I benefit from y'all

😁

[stuck epoch]

Think the knowledge part is the reason and not the blood part.

Cause that would mean the blood purity would make some sense and as far as i have seen that doesn’t seem to be the cass

Being a squib or muggleborn is just something to do with genes

[rotund trail]

Nah, Voldemort was the last descendant of Salazar and he inherited the pasrseltongue ability, which clearly ran in the blood/genes
So yes, you can inherit power in blood

[stuck epoch]

Knowledge training and experience do the most or only part in becoming powerful

[stuck epoch]

Talking to snakes isnt really all that powerful tho and losing to a 17 yr even less

[rotund trail]

Yes, I said already, knowledge is the main part but we can't ignore that despite the anomalies, there seems to be a bit of relation to genes/blood

[rotund trail]

Powerful or not, it is a clear example of power being passed down through blood

[stuck epoch]

I would have to look at how magic is being conjured in the WW to make sure what part blood plays

[rotund trail]

Fair enough

[random moon]

Parseltongue can also be learned.

[manic olive]

neville went from being near-squib to a very powerful wizard.. i don’t think that had to do with innate ability

[random moon]

So it’s not exclusive to folks from Salazar’s bloodline

[stuck epoch]

ah good to know

[manic olive]

but more so emotion, practice, confidence, will power and determination,

[stuck epoch]

imma read me through the wiki about magic in harry potter

[manic olive]

harry talks in his sleep 🤷🏼‍♀️

[stuck epoch]

harry knows because he has a part of voldemorts soul in him

so hes a bit special

[manic olive]

in HBP, tonk’s loses her metemorphmagus abilities because she is depressed

[random moon]

Dumbledore could understand Pareseltongue and repeat it verbatim

[manic olive]

perhaps emotion plays a big part in the magical abilities of witches and wizards

[stuck epoch]

the partonus changes its form when you experience big emotions like falling in love

did also happen to tonks

[random moon]

Emotion can and does effect magic directly.

Magical children are at risk of magical accidents due to not having a grasp on their magic yet and often outbursts are a result of emotions getting the better of them

[manic olive]

yes, im saying that is don’t think there’s like raw magical power

i*

[stuck epoch]

the world is full of magical power (kinda) and the wands are from magical wood for easier casting but they dont cultivate magical power

[stuck epoch]

another argument for that is that for many dark arts like all three of the unforgivable curses you have to really mean it and maybe even enjoy for it to be affective and you need your most happy memory to even be able to cast a patronus

so emotions and intent play a big part in successfully casting spells

[manic olive]

yesss exactly

[stuck epoch]

about this. it can happen to anyone if you feel depressed or get trauma in any sort youre magic weakens till you overcome it then youll be at the same state you were before

[manic olive]

yes but just supporting the fact that emotions affect ability

[stuck epoch]

yep

was meant as such

that confirms it

[stuck epoch]

ive read through pretty much the entire wiki about magic and dont see any relations with blood besides some abilities like parseltounge being passed down with bloodline

so i think you become more powerful with knowledge, training, experience, intent, and emotions in some way or another.

and intent playing a bigger part in dark arts than in any other form of magic

[vivid owl]

agreed, there's nothing to show that purebloods are stronger than any others

heck you could say that half-bloods are the strongest as 3 of the 4 most powerful wizards of the 20th century were half-bloods

[loud basin]

Voldemort wasn't pureblood

[loud basin]

Voldemort was half-blood

Lol

[vivid owl]

yeah that's why I said 3 of the 4

[stuck epoch]

the question wasnt if pureblooded magicians are better or not just if blood was part of how powerful you can become

[vivid owl]

Grindelwald was pureblood

[loud basin]

Ok

[stuck epoch]

but yea if it were you could say purebloods would be more powerful in general

[vivid owl]

the other 3, Dumbles, Harry, Moldyshorts, they were half blood

[vivid owl]

I'd say this is mostly due to the fact that the trace seems to be location based and so due to living with adult magicals they can practise magic over the summer without risk of being expelled

[loud basin]

Dumbledore and Voldemort were stronger than harry

[stuck epoch]

that would be a reason why they were better yes. tho most werent like draco

[vivid owl]

But yeah mostly magical strength just seems to come from a mix of determination, the amount of practice put in, and the emotions of the caster at the time

as to what is the main provider of strength, it is unclear

so muggle-borns may easily overpower a pureblood if say determination or emotion are the key factors

Nope, having magically strong parents doesn't mean the child will be magically strong.

[loud basin]

Ok

[vivid owl]

it honestly seems to rely mostly on the amount of effort an individual is willing to put in

dedication seems to be the name of the game

[stuck epoch]

look at hermine she had muggle parents and still got top of most classes

[loud basin]

I know

[tired hornet]

I don't think purity of blood determines magical strength at all. Otherwise squibs wouldn't really be a thing. We already know that the world itself tries to balance things out. The prophecy was a result of Voldemort actively splitting his soul and becoming an abomination to magic itself.

I like to think that muggle-borns become more prevalent as more magicals were killed off in the wars with Grindewald and Voldemort. I also like to think that magic may be a recessive gene and that there are witches are wizards somewhere down the family line.

[stuck epoch]

i think its already confirmed that its a gene

families with no magicians in the family wont be able to give birth to one either

[tired hornet]

So the question about what determines magical power is something that remains unanswered. There has to be a way to test it because squibs can see Hogwarts and the ghosts, and dementors, something only magical folk can do, but they can't cast any spells.

[stuck epoch]

well that probably

muggles can kinda see magic stuff if they know about it

[random moon]

Squibs can’t see dementors though.

There’s a chance they can’t see ghosts either. Filch could see Peeves because Peeves isn’t a ghost. But I don’t recall him ever actively interacting with any of Hogwarts ghosts

[tired hornet]

True, fair point. Reading what you said reminded me of Arabella Figg's personal testimony at Harry's trial in Order of the Phoenix. It was clear she doesn't know what a Dementor looks like but could accurately describe the effect of the attack.

Okay, so I was wrong.

[random moon]

Yeah but muggles can feel the effects of a Dementor too, like Dudley did during the dementor attack.

Squibs can probably sense them and ghosts the same way muggles can. A vague awareness and sensations, but can’t actually see or hear them

I think it’s the innate magical ability that lets magical folk be able to see ghosts and dementors. So a squib, who doesn’t have any innate magic at all, wouldn’t be able to see them.

But a Squib would carry the potential to have magical children or magical descendants. Even if they married a Muggle.

[fervent crest]

Ive been wondering about this for a while

I suppose magic is the divine energy all around us right

and if some animals can be born with magical abilities then humans must be too?

[stuck epoch]

every magician is born like that and it cannot be learned

and if your family never had a magician your family wont be able to give birth to one

[stuck epoch]

looks like it and spellcasting manipulates magic to take the form and use of that spell like it done pretty much everywhere where magic is a thing with the only difference being that in WW they dont cultivate mana so they can cast indefinitely

[keen quail]

I wonder what type of supernatural events happen when wixen are born in the hp universe. I feel like I saw something related to it before, but I can’t remember if it was in the original movies/books or fanfiction worldbuilding

[random moon]

Wixen?

[celest pasture]

It means witches and wizards (and sounds absolutely horrible lol)

[stuck epoch]

does he mean that? in my language it means something rather different xDD

[celest pasture]

oh don't look it up in german 💀

[stuck epoch]

thats what i meant XDDD

[celest pasture]

lmao

[stuck epoch]

)))))

[random moon]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of it as a thing the the HP universe lol

Sounds more like a fanfiction creation

[celest pasture]

Yeah, I've seen it some time ago and looked it up.

Actually wizard and witch are gender neutral terms, but in HP they seem to refer to a specific gender.

[keen quail]

Plural witch and wizard

[shy swallow]

Using wixen as non-gendered term reminds me of how people tried to make Latinx a thing. Like people don’t understand Spanish at all. When it’s both boys and girls it’s latinos. 😂

[shy swallow]

Are you sure? I thought they were always gendered, even outside of HP universe. I feel like if witch and wizard were gender neutral terms, we’d only need one as a gender neutral term - either witch or wizard. Not both terms.

[stuck epoch]

just go with witches and wizards

not wixen

[modern moth]

english isnt my first language so excuse me if im wrong, but having played the witcher games, isnt witcher like a male version of witch? no clue tho just asking lol

[waxen plover]

.

[mystic marlin]

wizard is the male term and witch is female term, that's what I know

[celest pasture]

Etymologically they are both neutral. E.g. men can be witches too, atleast in our world. HP is different.

[shy swallow]

I don’t know how it works in Witcher. But I guess that makes sense. In the Harry Potter world, Wizard is male and witch is female. But I guess it’s different in other games. I don’t know

[shy swallow]

Oh. That’s interesting. Thanks for letting me know

[shy swallow]

Your English is great by the way.

[fervent crest]

What about mage as a gender neutral term?

Tbh the HP world is very binary

[shy swallow]

Well, it was made years ago and I guess JKR had a specific way she envisioned her story I guess. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[fervent crest]

trueee

I guess I dunno I imagine that a world full of magic and making the impossible possible, would not be limited by gender binaries

[remote dragon]

But that's exactly the point, it's a world full of magic, that should focus on magic, not gender binaries. That's not to say there aren't non-binary people, but if it's not relevant to the plot/story being told she didn't need to put it in and it's her world/story so she can decide what to put in when she was writing

[weary crown]

Yeah I don't think that kind of stuff has any relevance to the plot

[fervent crest]

Your point is valid but i think you misread my initial statement

It was more of a pondering than a desire for a retroactive change in plot

[median patrol]

Lol the "plot" is about people like is in the wizarding world. It's about human stories we can relate to in a fantasy setting. Non-binary people are people like us, so they will always be relevant to any story concerning people, because it's about us as an audience relating to the characters. And the audience includes non-binary folks.

I agree with the undertone that inclusion like this shouldn't be done bluntly. It should be gracefully woven into a character who has more qualities than just being non-binary.

I write this as a binary man myself from what I've come to understand. Still have much to learn.

[shy swallow]

Yeah. In the end, it’s just about how JKR wanted to write her story. But I’d rather her not include enough representation, then imply representation in an insincere way just to be progressive. Like how she said hermione could be black, even though throughout the book she is explicitly implied to be white. I’m black, but I don’t need her to be black. Sorry I went on a little side tangent there lol 😂 Anyway….

[weary crown]

Anyway, I think we should move on from this topic. It’s getting political.🙄

[fervent crest]

Period

[weary crown]

Yeah I personally don’t like getting to political about stuff like this..(well maybe because I rarely share the same political views with most of the people on discord or reddit 😅)

[shy swallow]

Yes. That’s why I said “anyway” to move on. 👍🏾

[modern moth]

Honestly I don’t think it’s political while talking about the inside HP view since it’s a imaginary world with imaginary personalities and problems so our real world view doesn’t make much sense for HP. Let me just make a small example: the goblins are very intelligent creatures, almost human like, if we would follow the same logic like in the real world, goblins should have their own pronouns and all that, no? 😅

So I think we should take the HP story how it was originally viewed by JKR 🤙

Without mixing in crazy difficult topics like this

It’s supposed to make us enjoy it and not break our minds

[rotund raptor]

they should have given voldy a love potion

witch is female warlock is male

[loud basin]

But Voldemort didn't feel love

[rotund raptor]

wizard is male wizardess is female

voldemort loved himself

so he felt love

[loud basin]

Witch

[rotund raptor]

witch is female

warlock is male version

witch and wizard are different( in non harry potter stuff)

[loud basin]

Ok

[simple swift]

he can’t feel love because he was conceived under a love potion

[rotund raptor]

wait is that true

[loud basin]

Yes

[loud basin]

I know it

[loud basin]

Yes it is

[rotund raptor]

who said that

[loud basin]

Did you read books?

[rotund raptor]

i did

but a long time ago

so i dont remember everything

[simple swift]

it’s canon dw

not a theory

[loud basin]

That's why I wrote it

But thanks

[simple swift]

love potions are wild I can’t believe they’re not only legal but sold at joke shops

[random moon]

That’s not actually true.

He doesn’t understand or care for love because he wasn’t raised with it.

If Merope hadn’t died and had raised him with love he would have turned out very different.

The love potion thing was just a theory by Dumbledore, it wasn’t actual fact.

[simple swift]

jk confirmed it i’m pretty sure

[random moon]

Here is JKR confirming that the love potion/enchantment thing was symbolic of being born from a loveless marriage, not that it makes you incapable of love.

Everything would have been different if he’d been raised with love

Besides if being born due to a love potion made you incapable of love, there would be a lot more dark wizards who were incapable of love out there.

It was also never confirmed whether it was a love potion or enchantment that kept Tom Riddle Sr in her thrall

The whole being born from a union where a love potion was used makes you incapable of love thing is just a fan theory that gained a lot of traction.

But it’s not canon.

[simple swift]

oh I didn’t know that I thought it was like a whole thing I probably read a crappy article

[earnest linden]

It’s definitely in the book as little more than a hypothesis on Dumbledore’s part. As for fan theory or not shouldn’t matter. When it comes to reading the readers interpretation of hidden meaning it’s really up to the person reading it.

I will point out though that magic has consequence whos to say that something written as symbolic can’t also be literal. I mean otherwise explain legilimens being not just a spell but also a born ability.

Um to further my point. Voldemort grew up unloved and feared on an orphanage. Harry grew up with his spiteful jealous aunt and hateful brutish uncle. So like nature vs nurture? It’s not comparable.

I think Sirius nailed it on the head. Everyone is born with both light and dark. What matters is what you decide.

I will also point out that Voldemort’s conception was one without consent. Not just merely loveless. Sorry if that’s triggering for some people.