lore

[lucid coral]

Tbh, muggles are able to love, even when abandoned at birth. So if using the love potion didn't magically take away voldemort's ability to love, then for all intents and purposes he should be capable of it

[random moon]

Again JKR said that being born from a union where one party was influenced to “love” the other was simply symbolic of a loveless union.

And that Voldy would have been very different if he’d been raised by Merope with love.

It wasn’t that he was incapable. He’d just never experienced it growing up and felt so different and isolated by being in the Orphanage that once he was older he was driven to become more powerful and never left anything hurt him or make him afraid again. Not even death

[lucid coral]

I liked the love potion explanation better than this tbh

It's not like Merope, his direct mother and so half his genes, had any love when growing up

Yet she got a crush on someone

[random moon]

While the Dursley’s weren’t the best guardians, Harry was still red and still had a roof over his head. Still got an education, medical care (like trips to the opticians and glasses)

Plus they still took him in. They could have refused. Plus they were never physically abusive, just emotionally. And Harry was tougher than that. He never became hateful of them

[vivid owl]

Same with Harry, he received pretty much no love as a child yet grew up to be able to love someone.

[lucid coral]

Harry got love for longer than his first year of life

[earnest linden]

You say that but there’s actually references I. The books to physical abuse. Not just emotional in regards to Harry. Also by extension an orphanage is a roof over one’s head. Also in terms of medical care at the Dursley’s I don’t think they would have taken him to see a doctors unless absolutely viable to keep up the appearance of loving responsible guardians.

Petunia was a very vain woman and took credit of Harry’s labours I. The guarden and kitchen. Again see book one and two for details.

Also they starved him.

“Any funny business any at all and there’ll be no meals for a week”.

Which is worse than an orphanage.

Not that orphanages in the 40s we’re pleasant just that in comparison Harry was abused worse than Voldemort and he still turned out far better….

[lucid coral]

What? Why was that deleted

That was a lot of words anf i'm typing on a phone

[hushed nest]

you may have accidentally triggered a word filter.

either by accidentally spelling out something or typing a certain amount in all caps.

[viral badger]

Also be careful of any swearing as that can also trigger the bot

[lucid coral]

Mating

[uneven garnet]

That isn’t pg

[hushed nest]

oof

[uneven garnet]

Time to go back to sleep, lore reading is amazing

[vivid owl]

It literally states in the books that he's had to dodge petunia swinging a frying pan at him. Vernon has threatened to beat him most days.
And Marge let her dog attack Harry several times, so they were definitely physically abusive.

[hushed nest]

howdy again my fellow fuzz.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-salute-hey-hello-gif-5324565

[vivid owl]

Hello

[hushed nest]

heheheh. XD

[hushed nest]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[viral badger]

Lets not get off topic please

[vivid owl]

Honestly I was going to say that the conversation was getting a tad dark so imma leave it.

[hushed nest]

fair lol. hope harry sees a therapist or something someday.

[earnest linden]

Mind healer but yes. Also isn’t that andromeda tonks profession that of a healer? Idk always thought it was.

And sorry for being dark. But the lord even in the early books was pretty dark.

I mean an 11 year old disintegrated a teacher.

And this was very on topic.

And sorry for triggering anyone.

[vivid owl]

I know she's often written as a healer in fan works but I can't remember if her job is ever actually mentioned in the books.

There is surprisingly little information about how healing magic works

Beyond a few potions and episkey, which is meant to be for minor wounds really.

[earnest linden]

There’s a bandaging spell.

And snape uses vulnera serantur

Which I think means vulnerable or wound and Sanare no idea if that’s a word. But close as I could type.

But yes apart from three spells healing is completely unknown.

Besides maybe skelegrow. And pepper up potion which is like cough meds.

Reading the descriptor.

[vivid owl]

And lastly dittany

The bandaging spell is ferula, which is strange cos the Latin word "ferula" means "rod" apparently, so I'm not sure how that applies to healing beyond the fact that the Romans used the stick from the ferula plant as a light weight splint amongst other things.

[fallen zodiac]

sanare sound similar to the spanish word sanar which means to heal,

if it is being pulled from a common latin root

then it could be saying something about healing or preventing the act therefore depending on the conjagation of it, and whatever use it has in the story

[random moon]

It’s probably a reference to this

[vivid owl]

Reading more into it, I think it's because of fennel which is a variant of ferula that was used in a minor medicine.

But your guess might be correct as well. Perhaps a mix of the three reasons.

[shy swallow]

Yes. Asclepius is the Greek/Roman god of healing. He had a rod with a snake around it, which is also one of his symbols. It’s a symbol used in hospitals

[vivid owl]

Yeah I already knew all that, though again that's a marginal connection

[shy swallow]

Sorry just realized the post above had that 😂 I learned about it in Greek mythology class

[shy swallow]

I think it’s a pretty logical connection. Don’t know what other reason why there is a connection between healing and rods and the translation

[modern moth]

That item is in a game for smite super strong healing it gives off

[vivid owl]

What is more likely is the connection to ferula being used as lightweight splints by the Romans to help set broken bones and hence would have needed binding in bandages.

As I said earlier, it's probably a mix of the 3 but mainly the usage of ferula as a splint in real life that makes the spell "ferula" spit out bandages

[mellow relic]

herpo the foul should be a boss in the game

[stuck epoch]

he would be either dead or not in britain so highly unlikely

[random moon]

That would be assuming he somehow managed to regain a physical form after his body died.

Having a Horcrux to talk back on is all well and good, but without a body you’d be stuck as a kind of spirit form like Voldy until his followers (Barty jr and Wormtail) got him that rudimentary body to stay in until the resurrection ritual which requires some very particular ingredients to perform

[random moon]

Herpo had a Horcrux

But no known means to exist in a physical form

[stuck epoch]

its not known if he died or not. so if he did we wouldnt see him and if he didnt he would be either what you just said or if he had a body most likely not in the UK

also didnt he invent horcuxes? he could have made a better version or had other means to keep his body

[random moon]

We don’t know how Voldy’s rudimentary body was made

And the ritual to restore the body requires very particular ingredients (bone of the father, blood of the enemy and flesh of the servant just to name a few) and as all of Herois enemies must be long dead, hard to complete lol

[mellow relic]

what if he turned himself into a basilisk?

[random moon]

He was the first to create a Horcrux yeah

[mellow relic]

they live 900 years

[stuck epoch]

how would he do that

[mellow relic]

the horcrux

[random moon]

They can also insta die from a rooster crowing so a bit risky

[stuck epoch]

dont work like that as far as i know

[tropic jewel]

Listening to this discussion i realized that horcuxes were just phylacteries

[stuck epoch]

and also ancient greece is way older than 900 years even while in the game

but even if he did manage to somehow turn into a basilic he would still not be in the UK and i doubt well leave the UK ingame

[random moon]

Plus he wouldn’t become the Horcrux. And Horcruxes of living creatures are way more risky

Horcruxes just tether the spirit to this side of the veil

[tropic jewel]

and everyone who makes them are basically liches

[random moon]

But leave the person stuck in a spirit like form unless they find the means to have a body

[stuck epoch]

not really as they dont foresake their physical form

[tropic jewel]

Talking more about the mechanics behind it rather xD

[stuck epoch]

liches are undead

horcuxes make you immortal

[tropic jewel]

I am aware of that, but it does take a lot of elements from phylacteries. I was mostly joking about the lich part

[modern moth]

yeah snape has made 7 spells and most have counter curses

[stuck epoch]

?

[tropic jewel]

Specifically that the rituals to create both are alledgedly horrific, they are usually binding their soul or part of a soul into a object or living thing, such objects keep their souls/bodies/life on this side of the veil (among the living), and they usually can only be destroyed in specfic ways

[stuck epoch]

didnt know that (i didnt mean you with the ? in case your wondering)

[tropic jewel]

I knew the question mark wasn't for me.

[stuck epoch]

he probably only did 6 and half of them were counters to his own spells or other spells

[stuck epoch]

good

[tropic jewel]

I know far too much about both occult and fandom/world specific lore so it is like "oh this sounds like this... I see"

[mellow relic]

wait so the host cant become one with a horcrux?

[stuck epoch]

no

a horcux contains your split soul

so your soul will live on when your body or other soul is destroyed

[modern moth]

and a murder

[mellow relic]

what did voldy do to the professor when it was on the back of his head?

[stuck epoch]

you good?

[modern moth]

what?

[stuck epoch]

wym?

[stuck epoch]

what you on about

[modern moth]

nvm

[mellow relic]

like when he was like sharing a body with him lol

[stuck epoch]

ah that no he wasnt a horcrux

[tropic jewel]

nothing good for quirrels mental state, that's for dang sure

[stuck epoch]

dunno what it was tho

imma look it up one sec

[tropic jewel]

body sharing

or so it seemed

[modern moth]

look up what

or what how would tom share his quirrels body?

[tropic jewel]

that hurt my head to read but i got the gist of it

[modern moth]

am i the only ravenclaw in this channel?

[stuck epoch]

no

[modern moth]

because its just you slytherins and me

[mellow relic]

remember when voldy tried to take harrys mind at the end of 5 i think

[tropic jewel]

god that's creepier than i remember

[stuck epoch]

thats cause the others just not here

[modern moth]

ok

[modern moth]

didnt tom posess harry?

[tropic jewel]

i....

i have no idea what you are on about

[modern moth]

remember in like the movie when the sand flashes around and tom like controls harry?

[mellow relic]

im talking about when he fell to the ground

he like tried to take his mental

[modern moth]

when tom was fighting albus?

[mellow relic]

after remember he fell to the ground and like had a seizure bc voldy was possessing him

[modern moth]

yeah and hes eyes started to look like the snake slit eyes tom has

[mellow relic]

in the movie they showed that montage of voldy lmao his head was on harry body

[modern moth]

yeah

[tropic jewel]

don't remember. been a long time since i watched.

[mellow relic]

i thought that was some horcrux stuff lol idk

[tropic jewel]

More a fan about the wizarding world and the potential than a fan of HP specifcially

[modern moth]

ive read the series like 5 times

but still its hard to remember all the info

[mellow relic]

i feel that, i want a solid ilvermorny story

[tropic jewel]

As I grew up, i realized the books were pretty terrible in various ways. I'm still a fan of the world and setting but the book series and characters are meh to decent

[mellow relic]

i dont think harrys seizure happened in the books at all

[modern moth]

hang on it says common rooms great-hall and ravenclaw do you guys have great-hall and slytherin?

[modern moth]

i think its like movie vs books

difference

[tropic jewel]

yeah that sounds like a movie only thing

[modern moth]

yeah

[tropic jewel]

will always be disappointed about peeves never being in the movies

[modern moth]

ik

and winky

[mellow relic]

or the female house elf

exactly

lol

[modern moth]

i read your mind or you read mine?

[mellow relic]

great minds think a like my ravenclaw friend

[tropic jewel]

Winky was just super depressing xD

[modern moth]

well i dont know if im ravenclaw or gryffindor

buzz feed the first ever test i did told me i was gryffindor but this one told me i was ravenclaw

[mellow relic]

yeah but kinda important, her and dobby shouldve been a pair after he was freed

[tropic jewel]

Never liked the romance in the stories. Or the implications that love potions existing at all would bring up

[modern moth]

yeah but i did think the malfoys were happy about dobbyys freedom

[tropic jewel]

that and anyone can learn memory modification or erasing spells and oof

[mellow relic]

nah not like that but u know how they both kinda lurked around together

no love lmao

[modern moth]

after winky was freed yeah

[random moon]

Winky had a butterbeer problem

[modern moth]

wdym

[tropic jewel]

i didn't see any romance between them...not even the clumsy kind from rowling xD

[modern moth]

another ravenclaw!

Hello

[tropic jewel]

yeah and she was for all purposes an alcoholic

[mellow relic]

yeah i didnt mean a pair like in love just together in the movies

wherever dobby was, winky coulda been there too

[modern moth]

like in the books?

[mellow relic]

same with peeves and the other ghosts

[random moon]

While butterbeer has a very low Alcohol content, House Elves are far more susceptible to it and she was drinking like 9 bottles a day or something

[modern moth]

hang on where did winky end up after the last chapter of the goblet of fire?

[tropic jewel]

yup. hence alcoholic

[mellow relic]

i think she was last at hogwarts working right?

[modern moth]

yeah

like you see dobby end up at fleur and williams cottage

and winy well you hear/read in professor crouchs office

wait is it proffessor moody or proffesor crouch

[stuck epoch]

crouch

[mellow relic]

lol

[stuck epoch]

moody is dead

[mellow relic]

😮

[modern moth]

because of snape?

[stuck epoch]

and an auror not professor

[stuck epoch]

more like the dude how was with him

[mellow relic]

oh yeah he did die duh

[stuck epoch]

the scammer dude

[modern moth]

snape cut off georges ear with sectum sempra and accidently hit george instead of a death eater

[mellow relic]

on the night of the 7 potters

[stuck epoch]

forgot his name

[mellow relic]

or something

[stuck epoch]

yes

[mellow relic]

damn those books r crazy lol

harry actually used that spell when it didnt say what it did lmao

[stuck epoch]

yea

why shouldnt he

said "for enemies" and the book did him only good till this point

[mellow relic]

what if he killed draco lololol

[stuck epoch]

happens

[mellow relic]

fair

[stuck epoch]

the mortality rate in hogwarts is probably very high anyways so...

[modern moth]

but draco is only bad because of his parents isnt he

[mellow relic]

nah really just voldy

[modern moth]

what

[stuck epoch]

yea but dont matter why you bad you still bad

[modern moth]

tom is the meaning of evil/bad

[stuck epoch]

thats his role yea

[mellow relic]

u guys think we will see a potter in the game?

[modern moth]

game?

[mellow relic]

hogwarts legacy game

[modern moth]

one of me friends said that was coming yeah

[stuck epoch]

we might but dunno

[modern moth]

i want to see winky and peeves in too

[stuck epoch]

nothing confirmed about that

[mellow relic]

peeves is in the game

[modern moth]

the harry potter video game?

[stuck epoch]

hogwarts legacy

[modern moth]

because ive seen that

[stuck epoch]

thats what its about

[modern moth]

movie flame in one of his videos

[mellow relic]

i just need quidditch in the game

[stuck epoch]

quidditch will be

just not for us to play

[mellow relic]

damn these r clean

[modern moth]

in?

[mellow relic]

we can watch??

lol

[modern moth]

watch the trailer?

[stuck epoch]

i mean the stadium is in and we saw students in quidditch ropes so yea

[mellow relic]

if u could play quidditch what position would u play?

[modern moth]

hey

chaser

[rapid arrow]

definetly not seeker

[modern moth]

to help harry out or help the team out

[rapid arrow]

Harry isnt in the game

[modern moth]

ik

[rapid arrow]

ight

[mellow relic]

u can make him tho

lol

[rapid arrow]

true

wait

great idea

[ivory acorn]

I kinda doubt it. This is the time when Albus Dumbledore is a year from going to his first year at Hogwarts. So we might see some Ancestors of Harry before the Potters. Family trees in Wizarding World are messy.

[stuck epoch]

2 years before dumbledor goes*

[modern moth]

harry potter is related to tom so r u saying we might see tom?

[stuck epoch]

and harrys father was a pureblood so its possible

[ivory acorn]

Didnt he went to Hogwarts in 1891?

[mellow relic]

the potter maiden name lol

[stuck epoch]

isnt

[modern moth]

?

[mellow relic]

i think its 1892

[stuck epoch]

no hes 9 in 1890

so 1892

[ivory acorn]

🤔

[mellow relic]

i want him to be in the game lol baby dumbledore

[stuck epoch]

he isnt related and tom will 100% not be in the game

[rapid arrow]

Think we'll see Nicolas flamel?

[stuck epoch]

he isnt even born in that time

[mellow relic]

yeah thats possible

[stuck epoch]

possible but unlikely. he would have to be in the UK and i dont think he is

[mellow relic]

i think they should put as much as they can in for side quests and stuff

[modern moth]

wait isnt this a game of harry potter?

[rapid arrow]

yuh

[stuck epoch]

no

thats been said for so long

[ivory acorn]

Why is even question about Harry and Tom a thing? Events of Harry Potter books and films happen in 1991-1998, this game happens in 1890

[modern moth]

so its a hogwarts game but none of the main characters

[mellow relic]

lmao its just about hogwarts 100 years before harry is born

[stuck epoch]

its 100 years before potter

[rapid arrow]

it takes place in the hp world. but its years before he is born

[stuck epoch]

thats known for as long as the game is announced

[mellow relic]

bro is in the discord tho lol

[modern moth]

this is confusing😵‍💫

[stuck epoch]

not really

[ivory acorn]

No its not

[stuck epoch]

check out the #👉faq

[ivory acorn]

Pfe! And you call yourself a Ravenclaw, Luca? /j

[modern moth]

?

[mellow relic]

bro is hufflepuff

[modern moth]

Ravenclaw or gryffindor i dont really know

[modern moth]

who?

[mellow relic]

u r

[stuck epoch]

i really dont know how people still ask these kinda questions (not specifically luca) if they are on the discord server. its way harder to find the discord than it is to get the answers

[rapid arrow]

levicorpus🪄

[modern moth]

i got ravenclaw and gryffindor not hufflepuff

[modern moth]

who r u doing that too?

[mellow relic]

u know the counter spell??

[rapid arrow]

the inspector

[mellow relic]

u ravenclaw bro u suppose to know everything

[ivory acorn]

Im surprised too. The game is not even called "Harry Potter", so why is the confusion there?

[rapid arrow]

full counter? /j

[stuck epoch]

not really

[modern moth]

I have wisdom not 100% of knowledge

[stuck epoch]

i mean there are so many coming in the server to ask the same questions like when does it come out. is it coop/multi

[mellow relic]

yes man ravenclaws pay attention to detail

maybe hes trolling

[stuck epoch]

and its way easier to just google that instead of finding the discord server joining and asking here

[rapid arrow]

gotta wait months for this game and god of war ragnarok 💔

[stuck epoch]

ravenclaws are just thirsty for knowledge (generally) dont mean they know everything

[modern moth]

exactly

[mellow relic]

lol i was kidding

[rapid arrow]

yall think we'll be able to go underwater?

[modern moth]

snape made the spell levicorpus which was in the potions handbook harry found and it had most of the countercurses in iit

[mellow relic]

but i cant wait to avada kedavra someone then hop on my broom and run away from the po po

[stuck epoch]

would be nice but not confirmed so dunno

[modern moth]

Liberacorpus is the countercurse for levicorpus if thats what you want

[ivory acorn]

So far no shots of underwater swimming or creatures. So right now - no.

[stuck epoch]

he didnt really tho... it was used on him before he invented spells so i doubt he did. he created the counterspell tho

[rapid arrow]

ooh yeah. now i remember

[modern moth]

must spells and counters are similar like lumos and nox

[ivory acorn]

Yeah, Levicorpus is an old spell.

[stuck epoch]

obviously?

its a counter what else would it be

[mellow relic]

bruh what if we could create a spell

[ivory acorn]

But also, most combat spells can be deflected by Protego

[modern moth]

i have kinda created two spells

[rapid arrow]

its possible, since we'll be able to mix spells

[mellow relic]

isnt finite a counter spell as well?

[rapid arrow]

nahh

it turns off lumos

[ivory acorn]

I think by "mixing" they meant various combinations of different spells

[rapid arrow]

yeahh ik

something like that

[random moon]

He invented it.

It just got spread around the school and became popular

[ivory acorn]

Like Stupefy, Stupefy and Expulso

[stuck epoch]

it was used on him in his 5th year and he didnt invent spells till his 6th so i dont think he did

[modern moth]

Finite or Finite Incantatem was a counter-spell for use.

[mellow relic]

damn so james and sirius did snapes own spell on him

[modern moth]

what

[rapid arrow]

yeah lmao

[stuck epoch]

think its just another mistake JK did without thinking

[random moon]

It’s unclear when he made it, just that there was a record of it in his NEWT level textbook.

He could have invented it earlier but wanted to keep a personal record of it in his spell books

[rapid arrow]

poor snivellius

[modern moth]

lol

[mellow relic]

he probably created a counter spell bc they used it on him

[modern moth]

maybe

[stuck epoch]

imma be honest i really doubt it because no matter how much of a genius you are its even unlikely to create spells your 6th year with 16 so im 99% sure that although he was insanely talented he didnt create spells earlier than this

[stuck epoch]

yes

[modern moth]

luckily snape did create the countercurse Vulnera Sanentur because if he didnt malfoy might have died

[stuck epoch]

not mightve he would have died if he wasnt near

or created the counter

[rapid arrow]

ikr hes really talented

was*

[modern moth]

Harry should have known what the curse does instead of using it on his enimie

[mellow relic]

idk man james, sirius and wormtail learned to become animagi

[stuck epoch]

if he lived longer he couldve surpassed dumbledor or come close at the very least

[mellow relic]

they were young as heck

[modern moth]

hermione said that it does take a few years

[rapid arrow]

he was dumb at times. like when he used sectumsempra on malfoy

cant spell lmao

[stuck epoch]

no. the book did him only good till this point and it only said "for enemies" so not really his fault

[modern moth]

its kinda of snapes?

[ivory acorn]

Sectumsempra is defo Snape's spell. And he might've finalized it by his 6th year

[stuck epoch]

thats way easier than creating spells and they did it when they were older

[stuck epoch]

also no

its noones really

[rapid arrow]

yeahh! we can use something similar in the game

[modern moth]

snape created it so if he didnt create it harry would not have known it

[ivory acorn]

Dont mix up Rictusempra and Sectumsempra

[stuck epoch]

doesnt mean its his fault tho

[modern moth]

ik

[stuck epoch]

just because something bad/good happened doesnt mean someone is at fault

[mellow relic]

nah harry used rictusempra on malfoy and thats suppose to be the tickling spell

[rapid arrow]

rict- is tickling spell

[modern moth]

Rictusempra and Sectumsempra are completely different

[mellow relic]

right?

[rapid arrow]

ik. i corrected myself

[mellow relic]

idky he made malfoy flip tho

[ivory acorn]

Harry used Rictusempra on Malfoy in dueling club in CoS

[stuck epoch]

its the tickling charm but not what he used on malfoy

[rapid arrow]

he used both

[mellow relic]

lol

[ivory acorn]

Sectumsempra is Snape's spell that made Malfoy bleed

[stuck epoch]

but not at the time we were talking about

[modern moth]

Rictusempra is the tickling charm
Sectumsempra is snapes knife curse thing

[rapid arrow]

rictusempra during their duel and sectumsempra in the bathroom

[modern moth]

yeah

[ivory acorn]

Plus Sectumsempra was the spell that cut George's ear off

[rapid arrow]

holey

[modern moth]

but snape didnt mean it

[mellow relic]

lol

[rapid arrow]

mhm

[mellow relic]

hedwig 😦

[rapid arrow]

rip

[stuck epoch]

not a good defense

[modern moth]

Snape tried to kill one of the death eaters but missed and hit george on the left ear?

is that better?

[rapid arrow]

yeahh

[mellow relic]

[modern moth]

R.I.P Hedwig

[mellow relic]

rip

[ivory acorn]

It hurts because the famous intro music for the first film is called "Hedwig's theme"

[mellow relic]

thanks for that

[modern moth]

it should be Harry potter theme song

2

[mellow relic]

i think its all apart of the harry theme

[modern moth]

because its got nothing to do with Hedwig

[rapid arrow]

I solemnly swear that i am up to no good

[ivory acorn]

Is there even the "Harry's theme"? I dont think that any characters actually have specific theme.

[mellow relic]

i meant like the full main harry potter theme

[mellow relic]

mischive managed

[ivory acorn]

I think John Williams named the main theme after Hedwig is because it reminds of the flight by the mood

[mellow relic]

oh thats the main theme?

[ivory acorn]

It is called Hedwig's theme tho

[mellow relic]

thats dope

cries in hedwigs theme

[ivory acorn]

Later films use different names, but they all a rearrengements of the Hedwig's Theme

[mellow relic]

yeah ik what u mean its cool as heck

[ivory acorn]

Even Hogwarts Legacy trailer uses it's notes, so yeah. It's a Hedwig's theme

[mellow relic]

john williams is simply a boss

[leaden cypress]

Hedwig’s theme is so good

[ivory acorn]

THE Maestro

[modern moth]

https://www.hogwartslegacy.com/en-us

[mellow relic]

i like the harry and hermoine song

[modern moth]

what?

[modern moth]

what?

[mellow relic]

its the song that plays when ron makes hermoine cry for kissing lavender brown

[modern moth]

i dont remember hearing it

[mellow relic]

its called harry & hermoine by nicholas hooper

[ivory acorn]

Honestly, all I remember from HBP is dramatic, sad and Slughorn's music

[mellow relic]

and liquid luck

[ivory acorn]

Oh yeah, the Potions classroom

[modern moth]

that is nice

[mellow relic]

hopefully the music in the game is nice

[leaden cypress]

Yea

[ivory acorn]

Yeah. I do hope we get to hear normal rendition of Hedwig's theme.

Because trailer uses the "Trailer" style, which is not a good thing by most people

[mellow relic]

yeah the huge stomp boom sounds every 2 secs

like we get it its a big deal

[ivory acorn]

And yeah, it does its job - it hypes

But its not good for THE main theme for the game

[mellow relic]

u think the main theme of the game will use hedwigs theme?

[ivory acorn]

Yes. Because other media of HP universe uses it for the first notes

And after comes original composition.

Giving the Hedwig theme notes basicly tells "Yep, its in the same universe as Harry Potter"

[mellow relic]

yeah lol thats true

i wonder if they will use chocolate frogs for collectibles or something, i know they arent suppose to be made yet

[ivory acorn]

The same for Bertie Bott's beans

I do wonder how they are gonna turn around this

[mellow relic]

ig we are suppose to be making history so maybe small things like chocolate frog cards and stuff arent that important

considering we have books and stuff

[ivory acorn]

I do hope there will be time to explore new lore

Because all lore in HP universe is close to Harry's timeline.

[mellow relic]

i wanna go to the library and check out books and learn something new for real

[ivory acorn]

And even what was during foundation of Hogwarts is unknown

[mellow relic]

like maybe a location, a item, clothing or something

maybe a incantation

[ivory acorn]

So ALL the lore is centralized around Harry and his pov on what he learned

[mellow relic]

yeah the fact snape created certain spells is weird like

wow no one thought of this before u

lmaoo

[ivory acorn]

And I do hope that we get to know more things about Wizarding World's history

[stuck epoch]

no you just have to be insanely good at what you want to create and 99% just arent

[ivory acorn]

Especially when wizards are quirky characters

[mellow relic]

yeah plus snape decided to share a lot of them

[ivory acorn]

A witch that disguises herself to be constantly burned on a pire, a wizard who got famous for inventing a dungbomb, a wizard that wears a jellyfish as a hat

[mellow relic]

the pire witch is funny

she just wanted tickles

[ivory acorn]

Wizards are quirky. And expecting that they are gonna devote themselves to creating spells is not a probable thing to happen (sorry for the sentence here. Could not made it better)

I even belive that creating spells is considered "boring" for wizards

And most just prefer to have fun or work for the government

[mellow relic]

its probably just repetition

doing the same thing over and over

[stuck epoch]

think its just to much effort and that most arent even good enough to be able to

most wizards and witches are quit lazy and dont put to much effort into their studies

[ivory acorn]

Anyway, im off. Bye

[bitter cairn]

Hi guys, since I am a new member, i don't know if this is mentioned already..
but can we talk about our avatar's social life? Are you with or against romantic relationships in this game ? Emote for a quick answer

[turbid obsidian]

to me it feels weird somehow to be playing as a 16 year old and romancing characters

[tropic jewel]

I regularly play sim games or persona or what not else. I don't find it really unusual to play as a character and possibly romancing another. Then again I rarely if ever make myself in the game and use characters in my writing projects or new characters

Then again i can give or take romance irl and in games

[celest pasture]

People against romance in games acting as if they are forced to do use this feature lmao

[turbid obsidian]

It’s not like I’m against romance, it’s that I wonder how deep people expect that to go

[celest pasture]

Oh, that wasn't directed at you. I've just seen people on this server trash-talking it.

[remote dragon]

Why weird? There was plenty of romance and dating in Harry Potter even beginning at age 14 with the Yule Ball.

It doesn't need sex to be meaningful, but it can add depth to our character and their relationship with others.

[celest pasture]

True. Like did they even read the books lol

[vivid owl]

Whilst that may be a thing in game, it's not exactly a question for the #lore channel and instead something like #🧠theories or #💬hogwarts-legacy-general

[turbid obsidian]

Just putting my views out there brother

[simple swift]

I suspect it wouldn’t go much further than having a date at a ball or something

[normal meadow]

But this would be really cute 🥰

[shy swallow]

I don’t understand why people have a problem with romance in this game. Like many people said, if romance is included, it will be simple light-hearted things like crushes and dances. As many people have said, Harry Potter - at 14 - went to the Yule ball and literally had his first kiss at 15. As long as it’s simple light-hearted stuff, it should be fine. 👍🏾

It would probably be optional anyway, if it was in the game

[simple swift]

I think the concern is a lot of the people playing this will be adults so romancing teenagers is a bit of a weird ball game

[shy swallow]

Then why are they playing this game, if they know it’s about a teenager? Romance probably won’t be in the game and if it is, it’ll be optional. So they don’t have to worry about it anyway

[shy swallow]

Yeah, a lot of people playing this will be adults - I agree. But there will be younger kids as well, since Harry Potter is originally for kids and teenagers anyway

[simple swift]

because playing as a teenager and romancing teenagers is a bit different haha, I don’t really care but that’s where the concern comes from

[shy swallow]

Yeah I understand

Romance will be optional probably anyway, so they shouldn’t have to be concerned about it. That is, if it is in the game

[simple swift]

yeah it was but all the teenagers and kids it was aimed at have grown up so personally i’d say it’s more common for adults to be interested in it

my younger siblings couldn’t care less about it they’re on the more current stuff but I grew up watching it so i’m more inclined to like it

[shy swallow]

I know. More adults will be playing this than kids. But I feel like adults should expect themes that they might be uncomfortable with maybe, since the main character is a teenager. Likewise, if kids play adult games, they’ll encounter mature themes

Anyway…romance might not even be in the game so whatever

Bye

[turbid obsidian]

it's not that I'm uncomfortable, but like Chloe said there's a big difference watching a teenager and actually playing as one

idc if it's in the game tbh, i just don't know if it will be

and a small part of me thinks it's weird how full grown adults hope their teenaged character can have romantic relations with other teenaged characters

idk bro, i'm just putting my views out there

[ivory acorn]

Honestly, it's a bit weird with Britain on that front. Age of conscent in Britai is 15 i belive and if I remmeber correctly Daniel Radcliffe talked about his "stuff" while filing Order of the Phoenix (better find that info yourself, I can't site anything). So school dating there starts in that age, which presented in Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince, where characters wer 15 and 16. If there is romance in this game, then it won't be different than it was in the books and films.

[random moon]

It’s 16 in the UK, not 15

Dating can start younger of course. But legally you can’t do anything beyond kissing until you’re 16

[ivory acorn]

Which is why I said "I belive", because I always mix up

But anyway, if the romance in HL is gonna have kissing at maximum

[random moon]

Yeah, and that’s a pretty big if. Until we get confirmation to say whether it is or isn’t going to be a thing

[remote dragon]

But it's a game 😂 we aren't romancing teenagers, we are romancing computer generated AI. It's not immoral to play a feature that's in a video game 🤷🏻

[remote dragon]

I'm not sure why it's weird. Can you say more?

It's an RPG in which we play as a teenager, we know teenagers romance, so asking for romance options is nothing more than asking for wand customisation. It's a simply game feature that could add more to our character.

[stone matrix]

Yeah.. lots of games have it. Last of us for instance.

[turbid obsidian]

Ellie is 18 in tlou2

[lean mortar]

Y is everybody thing the game will be a teenager"s romance

[errant steppe]

Idk, we have it in the sims and it's fine 🤷‍♀️ of course it doesn't go really far but 🤷‍♀️

Besides, anything can be turned into something "oriented" So might as well have fun with something simple like romance. It's in the books and in the movies too, and also in hogwarts mystery

And in every rpg game ever haha

[kindred thicket]

Romance Doesnt matter for me haha. I want a good fight, fly, duel, lessons, explorer. And a good skills upgrade system and so. Romance is extra for@me but no priority

[shy swallow]

Some people think romance might be added as a side feature, since romance was in the Harry Potter movies and Harry had crushes and went to dances at a young age. But it’s just speculation

[simple swift]

I didn’t say it was immoral I don’t even care if there’s romance hence why I said the ‘concern for a lot of people’ as someone asked why people had a problem with it

[remote dragon]

Fair enough :)

[hasty copper]

It’s a prevalent aspect of school life and adolescence (hence why it’s in the HP books/films) so I think it should be part of the game, just doesn’t need to be a huge element.

[simple swift]

would be nice to take a date to the ball

nice wholesome moment

[harsh frost]

I wouldn't mind being able to have an NPC follow me around and help me with quests just because I made my MC casually flirt with them😂😂😂 make it a whole lot easier to take on Inferi and the goblins

[shy swallow]

I’d take sebby to the Yule ball. And Natsai would be my best friend. And I’d only talk to poppy when I need help befriending animals 😂😂

[vivid owl]

I rather doubt there'd be a ball I'm afraid.

Though certainly for the time period balls and social events would not be out of the question

Whilst obviously the separation happened some 200 years before the time of the game, any of those coming over from the Muggle side who came from wealth would definitely bring the sort of socialite life that was seen in the late 1800s

Makes you wonder if the waltz would have found its way across into the magical world by that point as it was only invented around the 1830s and thought most scandalous when it was created.

[vivid owl]

My fault, it became popular in Vienna in the 1780s and had spread to England by the 1790s

and a German regiment stationed in Sussex in the Napoleonic Wars apparently taught it to the local populace.

So some 80-100 years of it being in Britain

to quote

Almack's, the most exclusive club in London, permitted the waltz, though the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary shows that it was considered "riotous and indecent" as late as 1825.

which just makes me smile, because it's definitely not considered that now

[shy swallow]

I know it’s a joke. There’s a tiny chance there will be a Yule ball, or even romance. It’s just me imagining lol 😂

[reef quest]

How did snape heal Draco when Harry used sectumsempra

Bc sectumsempra translates to forever cut

[vivid owl]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Vulnera_Sanentur

if that answers your question

[stuck epoch]

he made sectumsempra and a counter spell for it

dont read to much into some translations they dont always make much or any sense

[reef quest]

Ah thank you

How do you make a spell tho

[stuck epoch]

its not really known besides that you have to have extreme mastery over the subject you want to make a spell (if you want to make a dark spell you have to be extremely well versed in dark magic) and that the maker has to create the incantation and wand movement but thats it

nothing more is known as to the process

[balmy acorn]

Only witches and wizards with great understanding of and skill in magic were known to be able to invent spells. It is unknown what the exact process was to creating spells other than crafting the wand movement and the incantation. What is known is that it was a very difficult, even dangerous process. If something went wrong, the results could prove fatal; an example of this was Pandora Lovegood's experimentation.

but yeah otherwise, it is unknown to us. the assumption is to use latin...and the toying with word meanings and their intentions of the spell

[random moon]

Shape didn’t create a counter curse to Sectumsempra, he used a healing charm to heal the damage caused by it. But it wasn’t a healing charm he invented, it’s older than that

Grindlewald used the same spell

[stuck epoch]

No its the only counter to sectumsempra (counter is the correct thing in that case) that heals the victim and the only way to heal them. Dunno what grindelwald used but not that one

Grindelwald was extremely proficient in healing spells so it wouldve been easy for him to cast a spell similar to the healing spell

Or its a mistake from JK again

[random moon]

It’s a healing spell you can use to heal wounds from Sectumsempra, but it wasn’t created by Snape.

You could also use Dittany if you had it

[random moon]

It says here it’s used by Grindlewald and the source claims it’s from the Screenplay for Secrets of Dumbledore

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Vulnera_Sanentur#cite_note-SODS-6

[stuck epoch]

Aight so JK messed up again and snape created 5 spells not 7

[random moon]

There’s also this that makes mention of Levicorpus and it’s counter curse,

It mentions Sectumsempra too but no counter curse, meaning Snape didn’t invent it.

You’d think the counter to Sectumsempra would be a pretty big one and be included here.

Instead we get a spell that makes toenails grow fast.

[stuck epoch]

But again i doubt that he invented levicorpus

[random moon]

He did

[stuck epoch]

Or that the flashback is wrong

[random moon]

Snape invented it, and it got spread around the school and became a popular fad for students to yoink each other up by the ankles

[stuck epoch]

If he did then his flashback is wrong

[random moon]

Which flashback?

[stuck epoch]

He started inventing spells in his 6th year and it got used on him in his 5th

And i really doubt he invented spells in his 4th or 5th year which he had to

[stuck epoch]

The one where harry gets into his mind and we see james using levicorpus on snape

[random moon]

Sirius said that Snape "knew more curses when he arrived at school than half the kids in seventh year."

[stuck epoch]

Knowing more is much different than inventing

[random moon]

But being smart enough to know stuff already means you’re smart enough to get creative and try to make your own.

[stuck epoch]

Youd have to be a master of jinxes to invent a jinx (levicorpus being a jinx) and while snape is extremely good and intelligent i doubt he was a master of jinxes or curses at 13-14

[random moon]

The fact that there are several mentions of Snape being the creator of the spell on the WW site (meaning it’s official stuff from or OK’d by JKR) lends it much more credence

[stuck epoch]

Or even at 15

[stuck epoch]

Ok than the flashback just doesnt make sense

Wouldnt be the first time JK made such a mistake

[random moon]

Snape didn’t have many friends aside from Lily and later the Death Eaters. As a lonely kid he’d be less distracted by others and more focused on himself.

So him turning to jinxes and creating his own spells makes sense. It gave him a focus

[jade frost]

I imagine that he became a genius at jinxes in part because he practiced creating them, which would have taken research and practice... he didn't wait to be a master before he started trying to invent them. Levicorpus might have been one of his very first successful attempts. /jumping in

[stuck epoch]

Even if you have all the focus in the world doesnt mean youll be able to invent a spell thats hard to even learn much less as a 4-5th year where you dont have much contact with jinxes besides selfstudy

[stuck epoch]

That would still mean he became a master at it (what he obviously did) at 15 at the oldest

Snape is my favorite character in HP and everyone who denies that he is a genius amongst geniuses is just objectively wrong but i really doubt he mastered an area of spells at such a young age and started creating them just cause he had to much free time

Him doing so in his 6th year could be to get over lily or show that hes superior to them but he had no real mean earlier

[jade frost]

I wouldn't consider him a master at fifteen, but I don't think that excludes the ability for him to have started creating jinxes at that age (or younger!) either. I think it's all part of the studying process. Would it have been unusual for a kid to create his own spells? Sure, but unusual isn't impossible, and Severus Snape was a genius with spells. He's an exception to the rule. But seriously, you don't have to be a genius or a master to invent things... it's the repetition and quality of the things you invent that makes it masterful, which, again, takes time and study, etc. You have to start somewhere... he didn't just show up in 6th year as a master of jinxes, it came with practice. Practice which included attempting (and sometimes succeeding!) in inventing spells.

I wonder about creating counter-jinxes though. I'd think that'd be harder?

[stuck epoch]

You have to be a master at the area you want to creat spells in thats why so few can create spells

[jade frost]

I don't agree with that... accidental magic is creating spells.

[stuck epoch]

Studying and trying to create a spell can make you more proficient for sure but that doesnt mean youll be able to create a spell just cause you put more time in it

[jade frost]

I mean, look at James/Sirius/Peter, they learned to be animagi in 5th year after trying since 2nd year, but supposedly only masters of transfiguration can do it, and even then, they're supposed to be well-trained adults, etc, etc., and things can still go wrong.

[stuck epoch]

Becoming an animagus and creating a spells is like apples and oranges

[jade frost]

Maybe, but in this case, both take tremendous skill and both were accomplished by kids at Hogwarts when they shouldn't have been able to, so...

[random moon]

You don’t need to be a master, just have a great understanding and skill in magic. Which Snape did have.

[stuck epoch]

Imma be honest them being able to is also something i find hard to be (at that age)

[jade frost]

That's fair. Other people in the series would also find it hard to believe. They still did it though.

Sometimes kids are amazing and surprise you with how smart/skilled they are, and what they do.

[stuck epoch]

Its not all that hard but risky and you need luck

[stuck epoch]

Animagus

[random moon]

Levicorpus was probably invented as a means to get back at his bullies. But the incantation and wand movement got out (he was probably caught practicing) and it got spread around the school and used against him by the very bullies he created it for.

[stuck epoch]

You have to have luck in so many ways if you want to become an animagus especially as a student

[random moon]

Snape was bullied by James and his friends ever since he got Sorted,

No better motivator to get real good at magic, than vengeance

[stuck epoch]

Ok

[jade frost]

They were all definitely motivated, which helps you do otherwise "impossible" hard-to-do things.

[stuck epoch]

Still find it hard to believe he did it in his 4-5 year but thats just imo

[jade frost]

I mean, I still find it hard to believe Dumbledore and the entire Ministry of Magic couldn't figure out how to get a 14-year-old Harry out of a dangerous Tri-Wizard tournament with a 17-year-old age requirement that he didn't even want to participate in.

[steady garnet]

I cant belive too, the tournament is already held in the past how they cant put out underage participant?

[kindred thicket]

It was a binding magical contract what can’t be broken. So the hd no choise at all.

[stuck epoch]

<@&755190193367023772> might wanna take a look at this

[random moon]

Most likely and a mod deleted it.

Nothing more to it and best to just move on

[stuck epoch]

ty mods

[vivid owl]

There also didn't use to be an age limit. The so anyone from the schools could put their names in and the Goblet would pick those it thought worthy to represent the school. This didn't always mean the most capable.

[umbral mortar]

Doesn't worthy already mean that the person would be the most capable?

How would a person be the most worthy if they weren't capable? Idk

[vivid owl]

Not exactly. For example, to use a different universe, Steve Rogers was worthy to be Captain America, but he was definitely not the most capable.

The question to ask would be "What qualities does a person need to embody for the Goblet to consider them worthy?"

So if a firstie happened to be the only one with the qualities that'd make them worthy, well they aren't going to be capable, but they probably wont shy away from the tasks.

certainly capability should matter somewhat, but it seems that the Goblet also judges on personality.

Which we see with the other champions in how whilst they may be standoffish or wary, they are fundamentally good people in the end.

[umbral mortar]

Good point

[hollow bough]

I have always seen Hufflepuffs as the "healers of the situation". They are the most humble of heart and they are the kindest. They are strong in covenant and fidelity. However, this is also their weakness. They are those who, unlike everyone else, are behind, but for this very reason they are always willing to help an ally in difficulty

[modern moth]

About Harry Potter lore
Are there some bad people from Hufflepuff ?

[gentle solar]

idk

[hollow bough]

for now I don't think I've seen any. If anything, there are those with a somewhat strong and enterprising character like Nymphadora Tonks

[gentle solar]

what about in Gryffindor

[hollow bough]

James Potter, Harry's father, was a bully

[modern moth]

Wish there would be vilains in Hufflepuff
It would be awesome
Like "You underestimated me all those years but I'll make you pay"

[solar zephyr]

YES

[gentle solar]

I like how when Harry founds about it he kinda doesn't care about his dad anymore lmao

[modern moth]

Yeah lol

[hollow bough]

in fact it would be very interesting. Unfortunately, Rowling didn't manage the houses very well in the Harry Potter saga

[modern moth]

I never liked James tbh

[modern moth]

Let's hope in the future then

Or maybe a fan fiction

[gentle solar]

and his mother fell in love with James

for wtv reason

[solar zephyr]

I think Lily ended up loving James because her opinion of Severus plummeted over the years

[gentle solar]

why

[solar zephyr]

Snape: 1) Literally called her a slur when she tried to help him 2) Didn't even try to deny that him and his friends were planning to join the equivalent of a racist hate group and 3) Never stopped essentially stalking her and never accepting that she didn't want him as a friend anymore.

[gentle solar]

:||

[hollow bough]

it is something that also binds the other biological fathers of the saga. For example, the evil Lucius or Ron's goofy father. Only non-biological father figures like Lupin and Surius actually play a truly significant role in the saga

[gentle solar]

what hate group

true

[half echo]

I think they later became the death eaters

I may be wrong correct me if im

[gentle solar]

how many schools are there

[solar zephyr]

The Death Eaters. In the flashback scenes during, I think, the Deathly Hallows or Half-blood Prince books, there is a scene with Lily and Severus where she berates him for being friends with people like Mulciber (idk how you spell his name), Macnair, and Avery, all of whom attempted Dark Magic on fellow students. She literally called him by his nickname "sev" and he completely stopped listening to her and totally swooned without hearing her point of discussion. She then asked him if their plans were to join the Death Eaters later and he totally skirted the question, but she knew he was avoiding answering because he had planned to join

[umbral mortar]

I think a hufflepuff villain could be someone who is very loyal and would do anything for a cause. Definitely would be interesting to see a hufflepuff villain developed.

[half echo]

I was right yohoo

[umbral mortar]

I don't think he stalked her? The rest is right

[gentle solar]

why would he want to join lol

[solar zephyr]

I don't mean stalking in the literally peeping Tom sense, but he totally kept a flame burning for her and made it known that he didn't care if James and Harry died, so long as he could have her afterward

[celest pasture]

Someone who realizes that snape wasn't a good person and kind of a creep towards lilly 👏

[solar zephyr]

I think because he had an abusive father who hated magic, it made him want to join a powerful anti-muggle organization that would assert dominance over the non-magic people who had beaten on him during childhood and it would let him reclaim some of the time where he felt powerless under the abuse of his father. Not trying to defend him cause I hate him, but I'm just trying to explain possible motives

[gentle solar]

how do you know all of this lol

[solar zephyr]

It's all in the last 2 books. I also don't have a life, so that helps me retain information

[gentle solar]

I never read the books

:x

[umbral mortar]

I think one of the reasons he joined is because his evil classmate buddies were friendly with him. They accepted him, as seen with Lucius Malfoy in Snape's first year.

[solar zephyr]

Very true. He finally had a group of friends, and probably figured he be more accepted if he joined up with them

[modern moth]

It would be awesome

[shy swallow]

I know that snape loved Lily a lot, but some of his behavior seemed like borderline obsession. Some people may like that kind of relationship, but I don’t lol. I don’t blame Lily for eventually ending up with James (even tho he was a bully as a kid).

It’s kind of funny how James and Snape are opposite. Snape was good as a kid, but sort of a bully as an adult (with the way he treated Harry). James was a bully as a kid, but better as an adult. 😂

[modern moth]

#TeamNoLoveForJamesNorSnape 😂

[vivid owl]

I mean yes but no. Snape was also a bully as a kid, just he didn't specifically target only one house.

As for James, the lore implies that he toned it down in his 6th year and had stopped altogether in his 7th year.

So yeah they sort of swapped but also should be noted that whilst Snape wasn't as bad as James when they were younger, it by no means makes him good.

[dusk nymph]

Yeah, the way he treats Harry makes me sort of dislike the character a little, but still, his monotone voice and calmness in most dire of situations makes me desperately want to be like him .

[vivid owl]

Honestly I think it's mostly Alan Rickman that makes people like Snape. That man was just a fantastic actor.

[dusk nymph]

That too, R.I.P Alan, you'll be missed. He executed the role perfectly, I loved it so much.

I should rewatch Deathly Hallows, might have missed a lot.

[rugged ravine]

Good idea

[ivory acorn]

Peter Petigrew. A coward, a traitor and brought back the Dark Lord. Literally the opposite of Griffindor qualities.

[waxen flower]

I also think he joined to assimilate to his house, as his only friend was Lily and his housemates who were "blood purists" didn't like lily, So Snape wanted to fit in and joined them

[waxen flower]

Tbf i think james still had some growing to do, I am pretty sure he was only in his early 20s when he died (correct me if I'm wrong but only like 21)

[random moon]

He was 21

[umbral mortar]

He died at age 38

He was 21 when the 1st war ended

Oh sorry thought you were talking about snape lol

[waxen flower]

Yeah his growth for sure was cut short. Imo i never really disliked snape (he was annoying sometimes and definitely a bully don't get me wrong) but he tried to protect harry and Lily as much as he could, I kinda like how he was flawed but trying also the Alan thing definitely stands

[modern moth]

Honestly tho snap was kinda drove to the dark side and then he segmented that by calling Lily potter a mudblood while in school when lily was trying to stop james from bullying Snape but since snape called her a mudblood the friendship broke and being lonely just drove him to the dark side

[reef quest]

Women bro always bringing people to the dark side

I’m jk

but like Star Wars

[sly verge]

eh he wasn’t a good kid he made his own spells that tortured people pretty much (sectumsempra? ) while he was still a kid in school

i’m no james defender or anything but i doubt anything he did would’ve been worse than what snape did to create and test out that spell

[shy swallow]

I don’t like James or snape that much. That both were major bullies at some point in their lives. Anyway…

This chat is sort of dying. Like people make one comment every day or few hours, unlike the other chats 😂

[brave otter]

^

[vivid owl]

Basically cos as I've said before, we've run out of lore from before 1890 to talk about.

Secrets of Dumbledore added some lore in the form of the ICW elections and how they work (though doesn't answer the question of what happens if there is an election and a qilin isn't born at that time to bow to one of the candidates), and got me complaining about Rowling and her culturally blind belief that everyone has a Ministry of Magic instead of bothering to spend a couple of minutes looking at what governments existed in the past for that country and extrapolating from that.

But otherwise we've had nothing new.

And therefore we're kind of just at a point where this channel sits unused mostly

When more info from the game drops, we can talk about it in context of the existing lore, but until then we're kind of stuck.

[silk loom]

lol in that case

is there any good pre-1890 fanfic anyone can recommend?

[vivid owl]

I mean there's a load of stuff set in the Founders Era on AO3, but very little in between that time and the 1900s

[stuck epoch]

So squibs can see ghost confirmed. In the third movie dumbledore tells filch to tell the ghost to look for the fat women after she got attacked by siriurs.

And squibs can apparently learn simple forms of magic. Harry sees some applications for courses for squibs in filches office.

[loud basin]

Everyone can see ghosts

Even muggles

[stuck epoch]

Nope muggles cant

[loud basin]

Sorry

[loud basin]

Yes they can't

Sorry my bad

Because witches and wizards are more sensitive to ghosts

[stuck epoch]

Yes

But it was in argument if squibs can or not

[random moon]

You mean Kwikspell or whatever it’s called?

That’s a scam often used on Squibs my claiming it can give them them means to use magic but it can’t.

Squibs can’t use any magic at all.

Filch is being scammed lol

[vivid owl]

So Kwik-Spell is meant to be for those who failed their O.W.L.s or for those who didn't take an O.W.L. in a subject yet want some form of qualification in it. Unfortunately by Harry's time it appears to be derided and have become a scam for Squibs, but it's meant to work alongside the W.O.M.B.A.T. tests as an alternative route for qualifications but well with how crappy the British Ministry is it's no wonder it failed.

Also Squibs can use low level magic to some degree, so many of them can make their own potions and grow magical plants as well as bond with magical animals like kneazles, something that wouldn't be possible if they didn't have more magic than a normal human.

So they have magic, just not enough to actually cast a spell.

The questions for the W.O.M.B.A.T. are so weird.

Like do you consider using an unforgiveable to save a life, unforgiveable?

[random moon]

They can interact with certain magical objects or creatures thanks to their access to the magical world through their parentage. It isn’t magic that lets you interact with magical creatures. Muggles can too.

And they can’t brew potions as every potion requires at least a minimal amount of Wandwork, which Squibs can’t do because they have no magic

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/potions

[vivid owl]

It has been stated that they can make potions, and also as they squibs can see ghosts and dementors where a normal person cannot, it means they have a minor amount of magic as having magic is required to be able to see them, hence why Dudley can't but Mrs. Figg can.

Plus again the bonding with magical animals, not just interacting with them but bonding with them, is only possible with magic, hence squibs have to have a minor amount of magic, too weak to cast a spell but still more than 0 like a normal person.

[random moon]

I linked a page about potions and how muggles can’t make the, because they require the use of a wand in one way or another, which squibs can’t use.

At best they could collect some ingredients but they can’t brew potions themselves.

[vivid owl]

So a "muggle" can't make one, but a squib can, as they are not a muggle.

[random moon]

You don’t need magic to bond with magical creatures. Just understanding and a drive to care for them.

Mrs Figg sells Kneazle/regular cat hybrids as they sell well with muggles because of their intelligence.

[random moon]

But a squib can’t use a wand.

They have no magic.

A wand won’t choose a squib

You need a wand to make potions

[vivid owl]

Also just because you can't use a wand, doesn't stop you from using magic, as shown by the rest of the world beyond Europe/North America.

and just because a wand wont choose a squib doesn't mean they can't make potions, do remeber you only need a wand in potions at the higher levels of potion making, so anything an O.W.L. student could make, a trained squib could also make.

[random moon]

But you literally need magic in one form or another to make potions. A wand or wandless, magic is still involved

[vivid owl]

yes and squibs have a minor amount of magic, not enough to cast a spell yet more than 0 which is what a normal person has

this is why squibs can see ghosts and dementors

[random moon]

JKR has literally said that potion making requires wands (or wandless magi the the case of places were wands aren’t the norm)

But magic is involved and squibs do not have any magic

[vivid owl]

I'm not going to repeat myself for a third time so just read above again

[random moon]

They don’t though.

I don’t know where you’re getting this from but JKR has said that squibs have no magic at all

[vivid owl]

literally the books

that's where I'm getting this from

in the books, the squibs we know of can see ghosts and dementors, something that requires having magic to be able to do

[random moon]

They can’t see dementors

[vivid owl]

meaning squibs have a minor amount of magic

they can

hence why Mrs Figg is brought in as a witness

[random moon]

https://web.archive.org/web/20120208051328/http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=19

[vivid owl]

Mrs. Figg can see dementors

[random moon]

No she had enough knowledge about how they look to be able to describe them.

But she couldn’t see them.

“Incidentally, Arabella Figg never saw the Dementors that attacked Harry and Dudley, but she had enough magical knowledge to identify correctly the sensations they created in the alleyway.”

[vivid owl]

Filch can see dementors, as well as the Hogwarts ghosts

which again he wouldn't be able to see the ghosts if he had no magic

[random moon]

They can feel dementors the same way muggles can. But they can’t see them

[vivid owl]

Lets agree to disagree

from what I can tell the books point to squibs having a minor amount of magic hence the ability to see ghosts, something not possible without magic, yet you think otherwise, so we're at an impasse

[random moon]

He tells Peeves,

Who isn’t a ghost. He’s a Poltergeist btw

He says “round up the ghosts” in the film.

But the films have many times gone against the books.

In the book Peeves tells them that Sirius Black was the one that slashed her painting. Peeves was omitted from the films so they had to say something

[stuck epoch]

Dumbledore tells him to “gather the ghosts to look for the fat lady” so he tells filch to get ghost so he can

Still think that even with that they wouldve made the script in a way JK agrees with

So if he could only see peeves they wouldve told him so in the movies as well even if hes not in them

For me that’s enough evidence to confirm that squibs can see atleast ghost which would make sense as they have at least some magic in them

[random moon]

Yeah he says that in the film. Because the films omitted Peeves and changed what happen from the books.

In the book Dumbledore tells Minerva to go get Filch and tell him to search every portrait in the castle, only for Peeves to show up and say she was running around on the 4th floor

The books are closer to canon the the films which change up a lot of stuff for the sake of visual storytelling and cutting/changing things for time.

[stuck epoch]

Still JK must’ve agreed with this change and if she didnt it would’ve taken a few seconds to change that.

For me it’s enough evidence if its not for you thats all there is to it

[random moon]

Peeves was omitted entirely from the films. They did film scenes for him but he was cut in the end along with any mention of him

[celest pasture]

You are right Clockwork. Squibs can not see Dementors. It is highly suggested by the book that Figg lied to the ministry.

And it is confirmed by JKR as well.

[random moon]

JKR can’t micromanage the script to match perfectly with her books. She had to acquiesce some parts because films are very different from books and changes must be made to fit the filmmaking process.

There are lots of parts in the books that were either changed, altered, added or omitted entirely from the films.

[stuck epoch]

Kk

So you dont think so and i do

[random moon]

Yeah because I have actual stuff from JKR and the books that back up what I believe.

[stuck epoch]

Not really confirming whether or not he can see them tho

[random moon]

It’s never outright stated but it’s heavily implied.

Filch never directly interacts with the house ghosts.

Squibs can’t see dementors, neither can muggles, they can only feel the presence of them and the affects they have

Muggles can’t see ghosts so it’s not that big a leap to assume that Squibs can’t either. They might be able to feel them, like muggles can, but not see or hear them.

[vivid owl]

Well as the prevailing thought amongst the community is that Squibs can see dementors and ghosts. That's been the dominant view amongst the community for a long time now. And it's how most of us tend to interpret the lore.

So that's what I'll stick with.

[random moon]

Squibs are essentially Wizard Born Muggles. No magic at all only the potential to have magical descendants

[celest pasture]

I would say that the dominant view has been that squibs are not able to see them lol. So you see, that really isn't a good argument. As has been already stated, it is highly suggested in the books and confirmed by Rowling.

Therefore I really don't know why you keep insisting that they can see them.

[vivid owl]

ignoring the dementor part assuming that Mrs. Figg is lying to the Wizengamot, the rest of it still applies

Biggest example actually they can see Hogwarts which is known to appear as a dilapidated ruin at best to normal people and straight up not be there for most normal people.

[celest pasture]

Yes, they are different from muggles.

[vivid owl]

The fact that they can see Hogwarts and even enter the grounds when a muggle can't shows that they must have at least some minor level of magic in them, as that's not possible without magic.

[stuck epoch]

The reason why muggles cant see ghosts is that they cant become one and witches and wizards are innately more sensitive to paranormal activity. So far is confirmed. Magic being a gene is also confirmed. Squibs having more magic than muggles is just common sense as they can do more things than muggles but not nearly as much as magicians. So squibs being able to see ghosts makes more sense for me than them not being able to (dont know about dementors as there is neither evidence for if they can or if they cant). As filch can see at least peeves squibs can see poltergeist now the only question to be confirmed is if poltergeists are on the same being realm as ghosts (which they normally are poltergeist are just ghost that can interact with things)

So for now its not confirmed if they can see ghosts or not but more likely

[random moon]

Poltergeists are normally don’t have a physical form. Peeves in the exception because of how and why he formed.

Poltergeists are different from Ghosts as they’re not a soul imprint left lingering in the living world, they’re indestructible spirits of chaos.

[loud basin]

Ok

[random moon]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Poltergeist

They’re a completely different spirit

Peeves can also become invisible at will

[loud basin]

Can you kill peeves with avada Kedavra?

[random moon]

I doubt it.

You need to be alive for a killing curse to work. And poltergeists are considered amortal beings.

Can’t kill what was technically never alive to begin with.

[loud basin]

But you can use on him some spells

[random moon]

Yeah some spells will work on him

[hollow bough]

I have always found Voldemort's story fascinating; Voldemort hates Harry because he hates the origin side of him. He sees Muggles and Mudbloods as weak, and he can't accept that he has that weakness. As a famous philosopher said: Power has no mirrors. This dilemma also accompanies us in our lives, we often hate people because we see ourselves in those people. But our "we" that we would NOT want to be, for this so much resentment

For Voldemort, love is just a potion, as it was for his mother

and it is poetic that Voldemort cannot love because he was born of a fake love

[random moon]

He can’t love because he wasn’t raised with it.

JKR has said that if Merope hadn’t died and had been there to raise him with love he would have turned out very differently

[vivid owl]

Even then considering how the character was written, Moldyshorts seems to have had some form of sociopathy, which would have limited his emotional capability

This doesn't mean he couldn't have lived a normal life, just that he wouldn't have experienced emotions like other people

[random moon]

I think it was definitely a case of nurture over nature.

Voldy wasn’t incapable of feeling normal emotions. He felt anger at his paternal family and felt crippling fear of dying that drove him to commit atrocities to attain immortality and never have to fear death again.

He was a scared little boy who grew up shunned by his peers without the love and support of a family. He grew bitter and chose to hurt others instead of experience hurt himself.

If Merope hadn’t died and raised him with love, he wouldn’t have had those fears or bitterness. He could have lived a normal life and not develop that debilitating fear of dying.

He also seemed to care for nagini, even before she was made into a Horcrux

He’s not incapable of caring. He just chooses not to because that way, nothing can hurt him

[hollow bough]

I don't think if he was raised by Merope or by another parental figuar it changed anything: he was raised in the trophy orphan with the nurses and the other orphans. He immediately began to hate and treat everyone badly. Tom has never changed over the years. He didn't care about having a parental figure, the only things floating in Tom's mental abysses are the power and fear of death.
He only cares about Nagini because he is an ally of him. Ditto for Snape, Bellatrix, the Malfoys, Peter Pettewing (or how spell it).
For him, people are only a means to his end

[hollow bough]

Then if Rowling is saying these things it's ok, she's the one who wrote the books so that's right

[vivid owl]

People with sociopathy can feel feelings, they just tend to struggle to feel them strongly. The main exceptions to this are anger and love, though it varies person to person.

So Moldy definitely could have had sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder as its actual medical term is. As he fits the other traits of manipulative, deceitful, and even reckless to some degree considering despite how intelligent he is he rarely seems to think through the long term consequences of his plans.

To borrow from the NHS explanation page

[random moon]

If he was it would be a learned thing from the awful childhood he had in the orphanage.

If he’d been raised by Merope he would have turned out very differently

Voldy went through emotional neglect and abuse from the other kids because he was different and they could tell there was something different about him

[vivid owl]

Considering both parts are thought to play a role, it'd seem that it'd also be part genetic and so he may have only had a minor version if he'd grown up with a loving mother

but either way my guess is that he would have had it, either from developing it or being born with it, mayhaps a mix of both, this then would lead to his actions in later life.

That's just my thoughts though

[random moon]

I’m gonna stick with what JKR said tbh.

IMO it was behaviour developed to protect himself from trauma gone to the extreme. He was a scared little boy who wanted to be so strong, nothing could ever hurt him again, not even death. No matter how many lives he had to destroy in the process

But if his mother hadn’t died and had raised him, his life would have been dramatically different and he might have lived a happy, normal life

[vivid owl]

I'm not arguing that

I'm just saying that I think he would have had APD

but yeah if he'd been raised with care then he would have turned out okay

[stuck epoch]

Voldy wouldve turned out 100% better if he wouldve been in a better environment and if he had experienced love throughout his earlier years. Some people are born with antisocial personality disorder traits (commonly referred to as psychpaths) and some are “raised” into it (commonly referred to as sociopaths) however the most important part in how a human turns out to be is how he is raised and what kind of environment he is in (most of the time there are always exceptions). Problem is that you have little time to make an impact on a child before you no longer have much control over it in these kinda ways.

For voldy it was far to late for him to change to the better as the orphanage was not a good place for children

Also every person reacts to getting hurt differently some choose to be good so others wont feel how they felt and others choose to make others feel pain in order to lessen theirs but there is no real way to know how someone will choose until they have to choose. Its both a coping mechanism that humans just have.

[loud basin]

Voldy could be ministry of magic if he had love in childhood

[versed hatch]

Yeah, nurture vs nature is a very common debate in psychology. But he definitely would've turned out to be a better person overall if he was given more compassion and not treated as evil or a danger from the start. Kids tend to absorb what you think they are and internalize it, it's really delicate stuff. He really needed someone to guide him properly and he didn't get that.

[stuck epoch]

Yes