Powkiddy RGB10Max 4

[uncut lance]

Notebookcheck does not have rk3588 results, can only infer from the dimensity 7200 and 7350 's GPU which is clocked higher than the rk3588 's, paired with likely faster memory (based on gf ace's) and fabricated on tsmc n4p instead of 8nm (Samsung?) for the rk3588

[dense gazelle]

i stand corrected

[iron marsh]

vkmark benchmark score is about 10% higher on the SD865 than the rk3588. But the rk3588 vulkan is an old mostly broken, I can’t believe it actually runs vulkan driver 🤣. Obviously the sd865 is more performant but port performance (context of my statement) shorted roughly the same.

[dense gazelle]

is Rocknix stable on RP5 now? i might end up buying one if it is. i didnt coz i didnt want to deal with Proof of concept over stable

[flat ivy]

not yet i dont think but there is a beta out for rpmini and it seems development work is pretty active so im pretty confident it will get there. dev interest is there and thats kind of the most important thing lol

[valid turret]

Especially when the RP5 dev units arrive and there's more hands on working on the platform.

[flat ivy]

yeah. i mean there's always a chance some crazy hardware-specific snag comes up that stymies developers but... probably not lol.

[mint notch]

sooo... quickly trying the vulkan driver for 3588..this is a particular spot that drops heavily under 3x opengl

to get the same slowdown under vulkan.. I had to use 8x

wtf powkiddy, get your asses together and release something

[iron marsh]

Glad to hear its working so well. kudos to ginkage for getting the ball rolling and sydarn for getting it working on rocknix

Will have to see if I can get vita3k and citra/lime3ds working in the next release.

[finite mauve]

Kinda crazy we haven't seen a single 3588 handheld other than the disappearing act from Gameforce

[neat spire]

curious about pricing to manufacturers of the 3588 vs the sd865 retroid is using

if the 865 also supports dual boot, is more energy efficient, and is cheaper then I'm not sure what the 3588 appeal is anymore

[cursive vapor]

According to Radxa it’s too power hungry and hot to make a handheld out of.

[mint notch]

the heat is not a big problem for me on ace, but power inefficiency is, without having the power saving features turned on I can see the battery dropping like a rock

[cursive vapor]

Yeah I have a 7500mAh battery in mine and that’s big. Eats through it v fast

[carmine crypt]

will it have touchscreen?

[terse goblet]

nope

the whole reason for this existing is/was to kill the rgb10max3pro and forget it exists. but like... now their focus is on the x18s/x28 sequel

(redacted)

[neat spire]

lol that censor on the profile pic is not gonna be good enough if a powkiddy official sees this screenshot and wants to find the leak lol

[terse goblet]

lol

[neat spire]

but yeah an x18s sequel could slap with the right chip/performance/screen and good controls

I'm sure retroid and anbernic are working on similar handhelds atm though so they'd better hurry up

retroid is very aware of demand for a flip 2 based on the RP5 and anbernic is 100% gonna combine "clamshells sell well" with their 556 to try and make a 557SP or something to start their next gen

[terse goblet]

i could see anbernic using something slightly stronger than the t820 for that. its their el cheapo style.

[neat spire]

I just want powkiddy to re-use the max3pro shell for something

I like the slab

its 'retro' looking, it's surprisingly comfy, and it fits nicely in my pocket.

[dense gazelle]

wait actually????

[terse goblet]

that's the gist i got

[dense gazelle]

source? i need to KNOW

[terse goblet]

source is a screenshot i posted and removed of a conversation with one of the powkiddy employees

he lurks around these parts

[weak grotto]

They still haven't even settled for a chip for that, right?

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-dry-tumbleweed-roll-dust-gif-5348866

[terse goblet]

you're correct. they have a contract with mediatek, rockchip, and amlogic, and neither have anything they want at the moment.

t820 is too weak, rk3576 is too weak, rk3588 might be impossible to accommodate, amlogic a311d2 exists but probably will never be used... not sure powkiddy has a direction at the moment.

[weak grotto]

Didn't realize they want to go that high-end

Also A311D2 is pretty different from A311D, not sure the software would just carry over

I think they stopped selling X18S about a month ago, so I figured the refresh is imminent, but looks like nope

[terse goblet]

a311d2 would support both linux and android and carry 6th gen. if they ever used that for a premium device, it would work well in the max4 shell.

[weak grotto]

Yeah, but I mean if it doesn't run existing firmwares, I can't imagine Powkiddy using it

I don't think PK ever used a Linux chip that wasn't used by someone before them and didn't already have the software

[terse goblet]

yeah... sucks that they're a low-budget scavenger company.

[forest basin]

Feels weird now. But back when the x18s came out it was more powerful than anything from Anbernic or Retroid.

Powkiddy peak power

[neat spire]

they can always pick a chip that can support linux like a311d2, make a basic android rom as a stock OS but ship dev units to rocknix.

(and gamma for a better android OS too lol)

[weak grotto]

Ah, fair! Yeah, they were the first to adopt T618

[neat spire]

I just want a better x18s because clam life and to see them re-use the max3pro flat slab shape for something

[forest basin]

Aye. A fairly minor redesign could have delivered a good handheld there.

There's not even any competition in powerful ARM or 16:9 clamshells.

[terse goblet]

i went ahead and asked why they haven't used it yet, even though all of powkiddy is asleep right now. with just a spreader, it stays beneath 60c.

[neat spire]

a311d2 aka the rgb10max3pro2

if it really doesn't create any more heat than the a311d

[terse goblet]

the gpu would be its strongest feature. its an 8-core mali-g52.

[neat spire]

but obviously if they wanted to ship it with android it would need a touchscreen and emmc

[terse goblet]

yeahhhh.

[flat ivy]

dunno how different from original a311d it is but i get the impression a311d was kind of a nightmare for them and max 3 pro wasnt a big success for them so they might be afraid to get burned again

[neat spire]

tbf the max3pro was a straight up hardware clone of the OGU that had all of the same problems

I think the rockchip power controller paired with an amlogic SoC with no real plan didn't help lol

[terse goblet]

wait, seriously?

nowonder why it crashed all the time

[neat spire]

yeah the OGU uses a rockchip power controller and an overclocked to hell s922x

then powkiddy basically made a 1:1 clone but with a slightly different SoC lol

[flat ivy]

yeah i know other people's units weren't as bad as mine but mine was basically unusable so i returned it. later rocknix maybe would have fixed it but idk very few people seemed to have ones as bad as mine so i figured mine was a lemon

[neat spire]

yeah I think later rocknix put voltages and clocks into a range that was stable on way more units

but if you really lost the silicon lottery and/or damaged your unit by running it at unsafe voltages/clocks on earlier builds I dunno

[flat ivy]

yeah. but yeah idk buying a new handheld and having it crash within like 2 minutes of gameplay 80% of the time didnt feel good lol. there were some theories about what was wrong with mine but regardless i wasnt gonna stick it out and wait to see if maybe somehow firmware would fix it

[neat spire]

yeah I somehow won the silicon lottery with my max3pro and it was rock solid from the moment I got it (though it had screen tearing when it was new due to the BSP kernel stuff)

[flat ivy]

if it only had issues with higher end systems i might have waited but i was running like, gba and wonderswan and getting crashes constantly

yeah i lost the silicon lottery lol

[valid turret]

Yep, 2 of them in fact, to make it even trickier.

[terse goblet]

i left that bandwagon before rocknix, so i was used to early debian builds needing brute force scaling to keep the cpu from melting down

[neat spire]

I actually loved my max3pro for PSP on later rocknix builds

it's one of the handhelds I miss after they all got smoke damaged

[flat ivy]

ended up just getting over my anti-android bias and getting an rp3+ which i do love for psp

but yeah when i had my max 3 pro and when it actually worked psp on it was awesome

[neat spire]

I no longer miss my 405v since I got a 406v, just need a good replacement for the max3pro so I don't miss that anymore (rp5 maybe?)

[terse goblet]

i had a max 3 pro for a short time. my issue was its gpu was noticeably weaker

[valid turret]

Next ROCKNIX release will have support for switching between libmali Vulkan and Panfrost OpenGL drivers, so the M3P and OGU are still getting some improvements.

[flat ivy]

yeah im eyeing rp5 or mini, not sure which yet. gonna wait on fix for shaders on android and/or more mature linux cfw for the mini.

[neat spire]

yeah I only did psp and GBA on mine so it was fine for me, way better controls than the OGU I had so the OGU didn't get touched at all after the max3pro dropped

plus the max3pro for me was actually pocketable, which I'd lose with the rp5 I think

[terse goblet]

interesting that the rg505 is more or less an ogu/ogs clone but with a t618 inside. that's sort of my psp fix

[neat spire]

since the RP5 is both larger footprint and lumpy

for now I'm not minding PSP on the 406v funnily enough

integer scale and 3.8" (psp go sized)

[flat ivy]

yeah thats part of why im leaning toward the mini. that and id probably mostly use it for 4:3 anyway

[neat spire]

but the 406v is also not pocketable lol

[terse goblet]

also, helegaly just started showing off their stuff:
#1281271891293634560 message

[flat ivy]

i kinda hate the designs lol but what's the chip?

[terse goblet]

they're doing a test run with the t618 and then moving up to the g99 afterwards

[flat ivy]

yeah okay. probably not moving the needle for me then i have a t618

[neat spire]

Stick top, interest lost

[flat ivy]

and g99 is good but probably not enough of an upgrade. looking more for my next handheld to be gc/ps2/beetle saturn friendly

yeah that too lol im a dpad top man through and through

[abstract saffron]

Any updates

Jdewitz

If there is nothing

Just post a funny gif

At least

[frozen sluice]

There will be nothing till RP5 is gone and shipped. Then one month after that everyone will be ready to buy another device. It’s the way this discord server rolls. Best to stop asking as it won’t happen till this has happened.

[slim mango]

we are supposed to wait a month on the next device? 😱

[woven tree]

Or years!

Damn wrong thread!

[neat spire]

Don’t worry you’ll have two anbernics to keep you occupied while you wait

[dense gazelle]

will this be Powkiddy's Miyoo flip

[slim mango]

with the RP5 running Linux Powkiddy may have admitted defeat and scrapped this

[neat spire]

3588 generates more heat and drains more battery for similar results to the sd865

[carmine crypt]

If the price point gets competitive, it could be interesting

Do the sd865 and the rk3588 get installed in other similar devices that have direct parity?

That is, if they aren't really wildly different in other things that matter towards cost

[neat spire]

the 3588 has huge demand for SBC usage like the orangepi 5 so I honestly don't know if it's even cheaper than what retroid is paying for sd865

[raw furnace]

Would be a great question to ask to the rocknix team, as it's available for both socs.

[raw furnace]

So yeah, based on what I've seen on the rocknix discord, 865 it's what were expecting and more from this chipset.

[terse goblet]

And yet...

Possibility of a max4 spec change incoming

A311d2 with heatsink: 🙂
Rk3588 with heatsink: 💥

[slim mango]

is there really a point to this device anymore, RP5 does Linux at the end of the day

[forest basin]

Even the jankest handheld can be great if the price is right. *Eagerly awaits the q88

Just depends on how much they charge. $150 Linux option would be interesting.

[slim mango]

$150 rgb10max4 would probably come pretty close to the rp5 if the later dodges taxes

like $180 vs $240

if RP5 gets vatted one is fucked tho

[forest basin]

Depends on your country I guess

It's been over a year since Powkiddy released something that wasn't the RK3566/RK3326.

It'll be nice to see them branch out to anything else at this point

[slim mango]

sure enough, but Retroid took a bit of their heat with the RP5

and I doubt they can go much lower than $150 with the max4

in fact, I think I did the RP5 wrong entirely

it ain't the rp4p upgrade, but the x28 upgrade

with Linux

[terse goblet]

Hmm... If there is an soc change, this will be the Linux version of t618 power. That's better than nothing I guess.

[slim mango]

boriiiing

[terse goblet]

With the 2x stronger gpu, it would have a slight edge

[slim mango]

make it burn 🔥

[forest basin]

Would be interesting if they could deliver it at close to RK3566 cost.

[slim mango]

given how the competition is prepping sub$100 devices at that power level, they realistically can't ask for more than $100 with the A311D2

[terse goblet]

The bonus would be Vulkan and opengl support in Linux on day one in an ubuntu-based install of emuelec, with rocknix in tow

[neat spire]

Who is doing better than t618 devices for under $100???

[slim mango]

1. I said "at that power level", not "better"
2. MagicX whatever ONE line of devices is supposed to run the P65

[forest basin]

I'm not sure I trust magic x to deliver what they say at this point

[neat spire]

I assumed by “at that power level” you meant a311d2 not t618, since the a311d2 has 2x the gpu of the t618

[terse goblet]

Its the ole Ayaneo 99 skus paradox

[neat spire]

And magicX hasn’t had a single device that wasn’t e-waste with the wrong cpu in it so I’ll believe they’ll change the sub-$100 game when I see it tbh lol

[slim mango]

calling rk3326 e-waste is a bit harsh

[neat spire]

What makes their previous devices e-waste is that they advertise one chip and send another along with having super janky firmware and terrible build quality

[slim mango]

naturally I won't trust the specs until someone took a closer look either, but they apparently working with MediaTek directly now

I won't argue on the fake SoC and the janky firmware, but terrible build quality?

XU10 is nicer than a lot of Powkiddy stuff and Mini M is the best 2.8" on the market right now IMO

[neat spire]

We will see. I love the look of the touch one on paper but from a security perspective I can’t think of a more terrifying thing to connect to my wifi than “magicX stock android” tbh lol

[slim mango]

try powkiddy stock android

[weak grotto]

Yeah, only a fraction of Android handhelds are running CFWs these days

And yeah, I think MagicX made three handhelds — the one with fake chip, the xu10 and xu hd?

All e-waste performance-wise, true, but I think it was only that had a wrong chip

[terse goblet]

My take is up until the last day or so, powkiddy had expired all of their options, and now they're at least gearing up to burn-in test something new

[terse goblet]

the amount of metal to keep the d2 cpu, gpu, and ram beneath 60c is pretty small

[neat spire]

the xu10 also had a fake chip of sorts, in that it was advertised as 3566 and was actually 3326

I think it's been corrected now (by changing the ads, not the device)

[fair oyster]

RK3326S

[neat spire]

oh right, advertised as the S version and then wasn't

ram speeds were wrong too from the ads too right?

[fair oyster]

Which is probably ~h700

[weak grotto]

Woah, certainly don't remember that. I just always thought that one was an RGB20S clone, there was a bunch of those at the time

But yeah, I never preorder stuff, so I'm not worried about the chip switching

Worst case scenario, I just won't buy the thing

[neat spire]

yeah especially given magicX's track record I can't imagine wanting to be in batch 1 of their latest misadventure lol

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-gif-10353676990730864957

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-gif-11728200561925824557

[forest basin]

They've done two handhelds. One had the wrong chip, the other lied about ram speed or something.

They've not managed to deliver a handheld as initially advertised yet.

[weak grotto]

Ooof, that makes me worried, because I really want One

[forest basin]

I....would wait for reviews.

And reviews from people like retrotech dad, who poke around a bit more

[weak grotto]

Yeah, I'm planning to do that either way

[cursive vapor]

So this never actually was going to have an RK3588? 🙂

[terse goblet]

i think they put an rk3588 into a test unit and it overheated(as one would expect)

[dense gazelle]

i guess i should buy another max3pro then

doesnt look like this will come

[terse goblet]

might be best to wait or go for an ogu.

or wait for sinyorksu's e6max. they're all about the same power

[dense gazelle]

kinda need a device now

[terse goblet]

what do you want to play on that device?

[dense gazelle]

psp, some ps2

dont want anadroid

[terse goblet]

oof.

[dense gazelle]

so my option is the m3p

the same device i sold in pre fo rthis

but is android

[terse goblet]

yeah... caught myself and nuked the phone option

ogu/rgb10max3pro are the best options at the moment.

[forest basin]

TJD T80/gameforce Ace

[mint notch]

eh a73 cores in s922x smokes a55 in a527

thought aside of performance that cpu is crap for handheld

[terse goblet]

people looking for just-enough-for-psp will be happy with a527. it has just enough cpu strength to do the hard stuff(Metal Gear Acid 2, DIRT 2, GoW) at 2x with vulkan

[uncut lance]

doubt so based on what was shown and experience with other A55 stuff

even on the rk3566, gpu was not a problem most of the time. plenty of games that show the same fps regardless 1x or 2x

[terse goblet]

its going to come down to actual gameplay tests.

like...the ps2 asset version of liberty city stories plays like crap on the rg353v and vs, but is fine on the e6plus. who knows why.

[dense gazelle]

what chip is in the e6+

[terse goblet]

rk3566

[uncut lance]

#1168386197605855313 message
this dont look anywhere near 60 to me

[terse goblet]

60 isn't going to happen on this soc

[uncut lance]

so... definitely not "about the same power" as the max3pro

[terse goblet]

i used to have a video on my youtube channel comparing god of war performance in lineageOS on the ogu and rgb10max3 pro, they both struggled to hold 30.

[uncut lance]

i have a rgb10max3 pro, it definitely hold 60 fps most of the time in chains of olympus except for some minor/short drops during cutscenes transition and occassional blast of effects on the screen.

didnt use/update rocknix on it for more than half a year, not sure if things changed

[terse goblet]

rocknix changed the way the ogu and 10max3pro both work by compensating for some engineering issues

performance went up and annoying crashes went down

what was it? a rockchip voltage controller attached to an amlogic soc?

[mint notch]

next release might finally have driver switching in the official release, to that might be a good time to finally upgrade from a half year old build

yep, and also 2 of them on OGU, because why make it simple

[terse goblet]

it was easy to solve in the old ubuntu firmware with scaling scripts, but that's a bandaid at best for a cursed sbc

[terse goblet]

things are definitely better now that nobody is using hardkernel's code anymore. sucks that there aren't more documentary videos on the increase in performance

[valid turret]

Nearly certainly will yeah. It's merged to dev and pretty solid in testing so far.

[jaunty wren]

Retroid pocket mini and 5 are doing linux great

[weak grotto]

Has anyone done tests already? Both videos I could find for A523 with Vulkan (clocked at 2GHz in these devices, so I think basically A527?) weren't promising for full-speed PSP

#1266817458417832110 message

And, I mean, Linux support seems possible (industrial versions of this chip are already supported), but will likely take time

[mint notch]

and also on linux you will likely not have vulkan on those yet

[weak grotto]

I think that's a "maybe", given how A133P turned out

With Rockchip that would be a "hard no" (apart from the open source implementations)

I do remember Geekbench scores showing significant lead on Linux vs Android on these chips though

Like maybe with Linux and an Allwinner-provided Vulkan blob an overclocked A523 could do GoW full-speed without frameskip

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/condolences-sympathy-sympathies-sorry-for-your-loss-thoughts-and-prayers-gif-17653134644755216408

[west trail]

I cant read through everything here but there's a lot of things I've never heard of lol

I dont know everything for sure, but I've never heard some of this stuff.

[terse goblet]

hmmmmm...

[forest basin]

[west trail]

Hu said last week, no news yet.

[abstract saffron]

all good

[dense gazelle]

Glass front. No

[warm mirage]

The search for a handheld with rk3588 continues

[neat spire]

ok so the problem with the 3588 is that it makes more heat and draws more power than usual for a small handheld so you need a chassis that can vent heat and fit a big battery

I have a solution

[mossy cipher]

not a bad project idea

I already have an orange pi and screens laying around lol

[torpid cedar]

Perhaps I’m a bit late to the party, but does anyone know of this device is happening?

[flat ivy]

doesn't seem like it. chip was apparently really hard to work with and rp5 beat it to market supporting linux

[dense gazelle]

this is the PK's Miyoo Flip

constantly on the way

[terse goblet]

Nothing official. Someone I know in powkiddy said units are being heat-tested. Jdewitz said that's completely new to him, but it could just be him being out of the loop.

whatever it is, dont count on this landing till like next year

[woven tree]

It's dead!

[terse goblet]

sinyorksu's rk3588 test unit finally got back from the factory. thing is going to be -sexy-

[torpid cedar]

Ah ok thanks for the info. I really like my RGB10 max 3 pro and an upgrade would be nice. It would be interesting to see any new devices with more processing power from powkiddy.

[digital mantle]

DOA?

[abstract saffron]

DOA

[neat spire]

I hope they reuse the max3pro shell in the future even if they can’t make it work with the 3588

[mint notch]

more like dead before arrival

[abstract saffron]

Whatever it is, I got an an rp5 so i don’t even know what im still doing here

[dense gazelle]

I truly did not expect rp5 to have working rocknix

I'm actually considering it now

[wise bison]

Maybe they can use that new RK35XX chip Rockchip teased that one time?

[neat spire]

?

[wise bison]

Rockchip apparently shared this slide earlier this year detailing a RK3688 and a unknown RK35XX with A72 cores

[dense gazelle]

psp able????

[neat spire]

mostly just depends on if it has vulkan I think

[dense gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-meat-spongebob-gif-12964151

replace my meat with Max4

[umbral granite]

I have a RP5 delivering tomorrow and I still want this if it ever happens. I doubt Retroid is going to release an RP6 with good mainline Linux support

[dense gazelle]

wouldnt the rp5 be better than this device

in terms of battery life?

and similar performance

[umbral granite]

Probably but I don't want powkiddy to think we don't want devices like this and give up on high performance rockchip devices with mainline Linux support

RP6 is almost certainly going to be android only or Linux possible (but not mainline so no rocknix)

[analog tundra]

I still don't understand the "appeal" of shoddy linux support on android devices

[umbral granite]

Me either but anbernic can't make them fast enough. At least h700 support seems to be coming along slowly but surely in mainline Linux

[valid turret]

You don't have to deal with Android? More emulation options? PortMaster? Quite a lot of reasons IMO. I have only ever booted Android on my RP Mini over ROCKNIX by mistake.

[mint notch]

I used it to play Anomaly 2, quite a nice game and the android port has a controller support 😄 .

[valid turret]

Ooh I just remembered I own Wreckfest ... Wonder if that'll work?

[west trail]

I don't have any info on this. I asked a while back but i think the project might be in limbo for a while.

[abstract saffron]

All good

Thanks for keeping us up to date

[dense gazelle]

Is this device dead given this:
#1102802378496954389 message

[abstract saffron]

I guess the future of arm Linux will be mediatek kompanio chips

[modern basin]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-crocker-timmy-turner-fairly-odd-parents-super-f-meme-gif-1224341026557759176

[balmy wren]

lol I knew I was forgetting one other rk3588 handheld

let's wait and see what jdewitz says before we close this one

[mint notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

[granite wraith]

What upcoming handhelds will have this chip

[weak grotto]

Yeah, that story honestly doesn't make any sense

Like you can easily buy RK3588 SBCs still, why would this even affect handhelds

And TJD T80 came out not too long ago

[dense gazelle]

What have I done......

My PSP device......

[wise bison]

Probably residual stock

(Besides, I think Rockchip's moving on to the RK3688... maybe?)

(There's also rumors of Allwinner getting into higher-end open-source friendly CPUs with the A838)

[balmy wren]

author wrote a follow up on that matter a couple days ago https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/12/21/rockchip-rk3588-mainline-linux-support-current-status-and-future-work-for-2025/#rockchip-does-not-consider-rk3588-to-be-an-open-source-soc-anymore

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-goodbye-my-lover-james-blunt-michael-scott-the-office-gif-17275558

[granite wraith]

rgb10max 4 will now be run on hamster wheel

hamsters not included

[neat spire]

Chinese emulation device cancelled due to war in Eastern Europe was not a headline I expected

[modern basin]

And oddly Multiple handhelds

I sure didn't put that on my December bingo card

[dense gazelle]

@neat spire WHATS MY PSP DEVICE GONNA BE NOW

[neat spire]

Rp5

[modern basin]

RG505

wait you want linux

uh

RP5

[granite wraith]

Magic x 41 device

[dense gazelle]

No

[dense gazelle]

No!

[granite wraith]

y nawt

[dense gazelle]

glass front. and i already have an odin2

the purpose of the Max4 was meant to be a under 150 device for psp that is not android

at 219....i'd just buy another odin2 pro

(i.e its not a disposable device that im looking for)

[granite wraith]

Sell the Odin it's too big anyway

It's called a handheld not lift with your knees held

[woven tree]

I think we can close this now 😛

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-dr-bones-spock-look-stare-gif-2949609057232605370

[terse goblet]

Until the allwinner a733 gets a handheld, there is the odroid go ultra for Cheap psp. Possibly the e6max since its a527 exceeds expectations

[unreal heron]

A PSP

[dense gazelle]

I need this. How else do I get buff biceps

[dense gazelle]

HOW WILL I UPSCALE AND/OR FAST FORWARD MY GAMEPLAY???????

[terse goblet]

Just use the vita antialiasing bro

[valid turret]

OGU really is your best bet for budget PSP upscaling.

[dense gazelle]

On PS vita?

Can it do that

[dense gazelle]

I should have kept my rgbm3 pro

I sold it in prep for max4

[valid turret]

Can pick them up pretty cheap used I guess.

[dense gazelle]

No no no. I can't do it anymore. I upgraded my m3p alot (hall sticks, 353m membrane, better batt) don't wanna get another to do it again

[modern basin]

And ironically I just bought one

[stray flint]

[modern basin]

Not from the WTB post, I should probably close that post

[stray flint]

Close your stuff so I don't have to

[modern basin]

How do I do that

[stray flint]

Tap and hold smh

[modern basin]

I was looking in the wrong menu

[stray flint]

[modern basin]

It's the first time I've actually needed to close a post

[granite wraith]

Still open 😎

[modern basin]

Wut

[terse goblet]

Tfw powkiddy prebought a full stock of rk3588 chips and has choice paralysis

[dense gazelle]

The potential death of this device have broken me. I now believe anbernic will never let me down. So PSP clone with h700 when

[wise bison]

Maybe Powkiddy will switch to the A733?

[valid turret]

Haha that can't play much PSP full speed, let alone upscaled.

[dense gazelle]

I have to dream

[terse goblet]

you can dream without lying to yourself

[dense gazelle]

A dream can be anything so is that considered lying

[modern basin]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-maury-that-was-a-lie-lie-detector-gif-15087184

[granite wraith]

this the psp clone

[neat spire]

What chip is the “one” now?

Will it be linux or android?

[long vortex]

MediaTek P65 if Remeber correctly. And Android OS

[weak grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-6779400115408556478

I mean, MagicX just keeps on announcing new devices — I think I stopped following that thread for a week and I don't even remember this one

[mint notch]

wake me up when they actually release something

[dense gazelle]

Android and p65?

Nope

[granite wraith]

Teach me why that's bad space dog

[modern basin]

Android supposedly has a lot more imput delay which is bad for speedrunning which they do

[granite wraith]

Woah interesting

So is this supposed to be closed

Or is this channel rebranding into a hangout space for cool guys

[granite wraith]

Apparently mediatek is going to work with them to get batocera on the chips but idk if that also applies to p65 or just the high end stuff

[wise bison]

Ooh, this ought to make their platforms more interesting in the future

[stray flint]

@balmy wren said they were waiting on a final word before closing this thread. #1097476284990378044 message

[terse goblet]

I have confirmation that powkiddy is sitting on a warehouse of rk3588's. They just have no plans or timetable to use them.

[modern basin]

Powkiddy could also flip the max 4 to use that amlogic chip that was mentioned a bit ago

[terse goblet]

its a weird position to be in

[modern basin]

Yeah

[terse goblet]

Just clone the rg556 and call it a day. Nobody will be mad about that.

[modern basin]

Make another X18s with a better chipset and improved controls

They got options

[terse goblet]

That too.

they are considering the sd750g for that

[modern basin]

Clone the 35XXSP in the V90 shell

I just want more clamshell

[terse goblet]

The problem very much is that the engineers can and would make these things happen. They just need to get the CEO onboard to fund it.

[weak grotto]

I mean, if those chips are indeed hard to get now, they might be considering to just resell them

I would be

[terse goblet]

Rp5 and rpMini ruined everything lol

[dense gazelle]

P65 very old chip..I highly doubt they will for their P series

[dense gazelle]

Actually I quit competitive speed run now. I now just do 100% speed clears for fun

Input lag on android is soooo annoying

And run ahead can cause issues

[torpid cedar]

Well, maybe it’s time to reconsider the max3pro 😊I’ve been using mine a lot lately

[terse goblet]

E6max for me. I need to record a grind set about running GameCube games at 15fps

[modern basin]

yeah for PSP I'd lean towards the Max3Pro, not perfect but it's the best linux option ATM without spending a big ole chunk-o-change

[neat spire]

No wifi sucks for some, no sleep sucks for me

[dense gazelle]

I already sold mine, i dont wanna rebuy it just to redo all the mods again...........................(also what batt did you use)

[modern basin]

yeah the No sleep is the biggest slap in the balls

[terse goblet]

i put my faith in sinyorksu before powkiddy. his motivation is more "I need to churn out devices to pay my bills" and less like powkiddy's macro-economics of "will we beat the 6th gen market competition held by anbernic and retroid?"

[modern basin]

What is the E6 Max?

[terse goblet]

it's sinyorksu's Allwinner A527 device that's been community tested and pushed into mass production

[modern basin]

where does that chipset land performance wise?

[terse goblet]

around Retroid Pocket 2s power. wiki says the soc has linux support, but nobody has seen it

[modern basin]

oh it's T618 range?

well if the price is right I guess it'll be alright

[terse goblet]

the t610 is about 16% stronger at the cpu level. the rk3566 is 68% weaker. it's in an interesting spot power-wise

[modern basin]

it'd be a solid chipset option for solid PSP performance and getting into some Gamecube and PS2

[terse goblet]

yep. I remember a while back, seeing it featured in some cheap samsung tablet, and a reviewer showing it running double dash pretty smoothly with slight underclocking

[modern basin]

the potential is there

now hopefully GameMT can get those controls to not suck dick

[terse goblet]

its the dpad entirely. all he did in his newer models of the e6/e5 stuff was use a non-xbox-style mold.

[modern basin]

I heard the face buttons were a bit iffy

[terse goblet]

i'm using mine now. I'd say they're not as soft as ds-lite face buttons, but they aren't painfully stiff either(like the r35s/r36s)

[modern basin]

must've been a lemon someone had

[terse goblet]

people are questionably picky about things on these cheaper devices, from what I've seen.

[modern basin]

is the E6 Plus worth a damn?

I'm seeing it on ali for like $50ish

[terse goblet]

like, someone swore the dpad was useless and then i posted 16 minutes of Lumines to shut them up

[terse goblet]

I mean... how many android rk3566 devices with a 16x9 touchscreen are there?

[dense gazelle]

This is released?

[terse goblet]

sinyorksu says its close to release

[dense gazelle]

Dpad on top???

[terse goblet]

nah. its a mini steamdeck design, so dpad center, analog top

[dense gazelle]

Kk thanks

[terse goblet]

aside from like... the rg353-series, there aren't any other decent touchscreen handhelds with an rk3566 onboard.

[mint notch]

maybe CB408, but that seem to have some QC issues as well, but at least its getting Gamma Core

[errant zephyr]

qc issues like the touchscreen not working at all on half of the ones bought by reviewers

[granite wraith]

Could be a cool device for game streaming if it has analog triggers

Although too bad the screen is probably 5.5 instead of a size closer to the Logitech g cloud

[digital mantle]

I've resigned to do PSP on my steam deck for now

It looks great and has low latency and everything. It's just that the controls are not great for Rockband Unplugged.

But looking back, my PSP Go's controls weren't that good for Rockband Unplugged either.

[dense gazelle]

I never understood why people liked the go

[weak grotto]

Honestly I think it has to do with being more rare than the other revisions

Then again it’s the smallest, and I think has the best stock screen in the lineup, even rivaling the modern aftermarket screens

So in the end you kinda get the effect of something becoming cool just because it’s rare

It’s like pre-GBC clear shell gameboys

Like Famitsu clear GBP became cool even though it’s pretty impractical these days, but lots of people made a clone

[digital mantle]

You can basically take the Go as a "micro handheld" that can play all of the PSP Library

The controls are not great but it's not like most devices of that size have great controls either.

[dense gazelle]

Unless you do the battery mod

Then it becomes thick as heck

[wise bison]

Welp, I may be stirring the pot, but an update on the RK3588 situation...

This was posted when it turned out the MNT Reform Next will appearantly use the RK3588 somehow...
https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/12/31/mnt-reform-next-open-source-rk3588-modular-12-5-inch-laptop/

So maybe the MAX4 could still make it, but I'm not sure

[umbral granite]

I still hope it does, I'd be all over it if they do

[balmy wren]

yeah this is really good news

[viscid elm]

Orange pi is readily available on amazon and aliexpress with rk3588

[neat spire]

Not for long, apparently they’re getting cut off by rockchip after their sbcs were showing up in too many battlefield drones

[dense gazelle]

Is this device still dead

[cursive vapor]

Powkiddy hasn’t announced anything and yeah, this thread has been open for months at this point

[wise bison]

Honestly, it's complicated at this point. Who knows if Powkiddy is one of the vendors that's blacklisted or not...

MNT's not blacklisted, so who knows

[mint notch]

why would they be blacklisted, I doubt anyone is using powkiddy boards in suicide drones 😄 😄

[wise bison]

True

If MNT is safe, than Powkiddy probably also is safe

[terse goblet]

this device is pointless unless you absolutely will mentally self-destruct if you're forced to use android.

[mint notch]

And even then you should just buy rp5 😛

[queen sparrow]

Nah we need more devices in the 100-200 price range. There are too many sub $100 RK3566/H700 devices on the market.

[terse goblet]

e6 max is coming soon with some decent power. Basically cleaves through all of psp and taps into a bit of 6th gen. just depends on how high or low the A527 price point hits before anyone copies sinyorksu

[queen sparrow]

More interested in Helegaly. Looks better than E6 Max imo.

[wise bison]

Yeah, I've kind of decided I'll be waiting for the flood of A523/527 devices myself, heh

[mint notch]

I wish someone would pick up rk3576

[terse goblet]

sinyorksu's a good player in the greater scope, because he can afford the risk factor of being a litmus test for new tech(a527/rk3588)

[carmine crypt]

I wish we could just ditch Rockchip and go straight to Snapdragon chipset now that linux support is in full swing

[terse goblet]

Hopefully the engineering unit has active cooling

[west trail]

I have no news on this. I've asked directly. I'm not sure the 3588 is the platform we want just yet.

Would have been nice a year ago for sure

[tame locust]

happy new year Jdewitz! almost LNY too

[west trail]

Happy new year!

[distant iris]

snapdragon supports Linux?

[carmine crypt]

Retroid made kernel source code available for the Snapdragon 865 and the most hardline open-source-minded Batocera team officially supported Pocket 5/Mini

Rocknix is on here too

[distant iris]

Oh wow. This is news to me. Then I guess it is worth getting those retroid pocket handhelds now.

I think it's time to get one of those minis

[valid turret]

Yep, I've been testing ROCKNIX on my RP Mini quite a bit in the last week and it really works pretty well. I don't use sleep so can't speak to how well that works, but playing games has been nice.

[distant iris]

I've been wanting a good android device that can also play portmasters. This is going to be sweet.

Thanks man. I had no idea this was possible. Captain claw must be running flawlessly

[valid turret]

Have not tried that port. But yesterday was testing yquake2 with OpenGL renderer and rumble, working great.

It feels like a top quality device, great build, screen and controls IMO. If the screen was slightly larger it'd be perfect.

[jolly parrot]

Wait, how did you not know about the Linux support? It was literally advertised before release and was one of the most talked about features (mainly debates from people on them either being excited, or “doubting they would actually do it”).

Also holy crap, how is this rumor mill page still open? Did Powkiddy give any news at all on this still being in production?

[distant iris]

I have a life outside discord. I don't read every announcement. Nor am I too aware about the handheld market even though I love to watch every reviews about it.

[jolly parrot]

…Didn’t Russ make a video covering Rocknix and Batocera support for the RP Mini before they officially started shipping?

[distant iris]

I didn't watch that one.

So basically batocera works on mini too. This is quite splendid.

Have been wanting to play portmasters

[terse goblet]

powkiddy and gameMT are officially TOO LATE:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Retro-Lite-CM5-SBC-powered-gaming-handheld-debuts-with-PS2-GameCube-and-3DS-emulation-capabilities.949747.0.html

[terse goblet]

Now we know what @desert oar and @cursive vapor have been up to

[viscid elm]

Oh wow I might have to embark on building one of those. Their FAQ says a one-off build is between $350-$400 bucks. I wonder how much a sintered aluminum case would cost to fabricate.

[raw furnace]

This is a diy handheld, not retail.

[terse goblet]

all it takes is one company hiring an assembly shop to start cranking em out

[raw furnace]

StonedEdge said that Radxa decided not to mass produce them due to heat and energy consumption.

If you truly want one, either you'll have to build it yourself or get a fixed gameforce ace

Or even better, a RP5

[terse goblet]

I'd rather get an RP4 Pro.

[neat spire]

lol why?

The rp5 screen is like unbelievably ahead of the old iPhone screen on the rp3/4

[viscid elm]

What about heat? Does it affect this handheld?

[terse goblet]

i don't like it for the screen. I like it for the size and formfactor

[young python]

rk3588 is a hot potato

[raw furnace]

https://x.com/stonededgemods/status/1831867966994198939?s=46

StonedEdge (@StonedEdgeMods) on X

Quick update for those who have asked. Radxa has decided not to invest in the project due to the following reasons. Definitely appreciate Radxa’s interest and of course, if you’re interested in a fun hobby project, you can download all of the assets and images from our GitHub.

X · Sep 6, 2024, 1:32 AM

[wise bison]

Meanwhile, it seems Liberux is gonna try to put the RK3588(S) on a phone. Given they're using a SNAPDRAGON modem, I fear for that thing overheating
https://liliputing.com/liberux-nexx-is-a-linux-smartphone-with-a-rk3588s-chip-32gb-ram-and-a-5g-modem-crowdfunding/

(But hey, more devices with that chip, so hopefully, this will dispel rumors of this being dead in the water)

(And if this comes out, who knows, maybe I can get a telescoping controller to go with this)

[jaunty wren]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DDBF6RTJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or you could get this which has a RK3588S and a 4:3 8 inch screen

8 inch FHD large touch screen makes the game more exciting! This touchscreen handheld game console has 2K (2048x1536 IPS) display and supports 60fps frame rate,

[viscid elm]

Rk3588 is tsmc 8mm which is the fab that snapdragon 888 was on which was legendarily hot.

[jaunty wren]

thats not a problem on this huge handheld with active cooling and vents

[viscid elm]

Sure I'm thinking more for rgb10max4 or Liberux

Things around here are gonna get crazy when tsmc 5nm and 4nm and Samsung 4nm processes are old news. Seems like everything on tsmc 4nm is good. Apple m1, rtx4070, SD 8gen2, etc

[wise bison]

I admit, as someone who daily drives an S888 device, I'm surprised I don't notice that

[valid turret]

Strangely my ACE seems fine in terms of both battery life and heat ... 🤷‍♂️

[valid turret]

My phone (Motorola) is an 888+ ... Seems fine, only gets a little warm occasionally.

[viscid elm]

Yeah I think it may have got overblown when the Galaxy S21 came out.

[woven tree]

Tine to close this one down!

[cursive vapor]

Yeah my CM5 doesn’t get that hot to be honest with a nice fan and heatsink. Battery life is probably more of the concern I guess since it can draw 12W and my battery is 27Wh or so, so if you’re at full load with something like PS2 you’re only getting 2.5 hours or so

[valid turret]

True. With the harder-to-run stuff on my ACE the battery drops noticeably more quickly.

[quick jungle]

how much battery life you getting @valid turret on something like ps2 etc?

[valid turret]

Hard to gauge as I get to play in 20 min, half an hour bursts, commuting, between chores after getting kids to bed etc. I'd estimate maybe 3 hours or so upscaled GameCube.

I've never done that in a sitting though. Longest would be say an hour of upscaled Dreamcast and the battery would drop 20% or so IIRC.

[quick jungle]

Seems about right, I haven't done a full test yet but PS2 looks like 4-5 hours

[dense gazelle]

is there any updates?

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-dr-bones-spock-look-stare-gif-2949609057232605370

[robust robin]

I saw pop and was like what the hell

[umbral granite]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-88-it-aint-over-til-its-over-star-trek-ferengi-rules-of-acquisition-gif-7676473676024567224

I do think it's unlikely but unless we got confirmation that they're never reusing this name I think we'll see something

[terse goblet]

according to calten, they're experimenting with other chips that are fine with passive cooling, one of which is the a733. Might go somewhere. Might not

My age old question of "are you guys using active cooling?" Is a no

[dense gazelle]

but will it be linux and same if not better than 3588 in perofmrance?

[mint notch]

I am bit scared of that powervr gpu in a733 after all the driver issues on a133p 😄

[muted coral]

What I wouldn't give for them to put an n100 in this thing

[inner mountain]

I wouldn’t trust Powkiddy with a handheld that would cost $200+~ from what I heard about their qc

[valid turret]

I don't know, I get better emulation performance with Snapdragon vs my N100. I am a big x86 fan though, for versatility.

[terse goblet]

(emulates switch on an i5-4300m)

[modern basin]

I remember playing some gamecube on my i3 8130U laptop

[valid turret]

Take Xbox NBA Inside Drive 2003 for example, with xemu. Running on my Odin 2 with ROCKNIX yields much better FPS than running on my GMKtec G3.

At 640x480.

I was surprised.

[old perch]

this can suceed my rg353m if is ok

[wise bison]

You know, it's surprising we don't have N100s or other Alder Lake-N/Twin Lake handhelds. Might turn out to be a poor value given the Steam Deck exists, but still

[terse goblet]

It depends on who is using the device

We had this very small window where handheld makers were using 12th gen intel, and then suddenly they werent

Unfortunately there is a large amd crowd that constantly paints a wall over Intel soc's like they're deformed children

[inner mountain]

There’s one, and that one is far too overpriced

It was like

$500

And was legit a legion go ripoff down to the controllers being the exact same

[terse goblet]

@hollow stirrup has one

i think the company was planning to make an i3-n305 version too

[errant zephyr]

as much as id like to see an n97,100,150 handheld I still dont think anyone will be able to make one at a reasonable price point

unless they hate making enough profit to run a company

[terse goblet]

IT LIVES!!!!
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808018031259.html?

[errant zephyr]

unless one of the big $1b+ pc makers decide to do it ofc

[terse goblet]

i bet a nice coupon would make this worth acquiring

[errant zephyr]

N95 tho

[terse goblet]

actually better than n100 due to the higher clockspeed and lower tdp

[errant zephyr]

thats the 97

iirc the 95 has a super cutdown igpu

[wise bison]

Too big, heh

[terse goblet]

they are so miserably close in power
https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-processor-n95-vs-intel-processor-n100

[wise bison]

I'd be more interested if we got something in the 5 inch class!

[terse goblet]

a 5" n95 would be nice

I see now... the n95 using a 16-core gpu clocked at 1200mhz and the n100 uses a 24-core clocked at 750mhz

[errant zephyr]

at 2x the wattage in use

its hard to see on paper but its a huge difference imo

[unreal heron]

This bad boy ?

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808133312139.html?

[errant zephyr]

the n95 gpu elements are nearly 2 year older tech than the n97/100

[terse goblet]

nice price!

[errant zephyr]

honestly at that price+ coupon it would be a meme

[terse goblet]

i'll see what coupons do to it in a sec

[unreal heron]

Pretty sure I seen someone test a N100 model

[errant zephyr]

Now if only someone could do it in a more reasonably sized (possibly even lower res) screen

I dont think n95's are really doing upscaling to 1080p that well anyway (on PS2/GC+ at least)

[terse goblet]

yeah, the 40usd coupon brings that down to 225.

if it was a 5inch handheld, that might be worthwhile

[unreal heron]

https://store.chuwi.com/products/hi10-max?

There is this too if people want to go big

Review

https://youtu.be/OLUpgIvPjbY?si=6djrNv-LmGWNFy2K

[terse goblet]

emuchicken did a rundown of its pc limits
https://youtu.be/V4stit4Lsrg
retrobreeze did a bunch of gc and ps2 games on the soc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OKdmS7v4M

the neat thing is the n95's igpu shits out a 64.7k score on the ice storm unlimited benchmark, which puts it in that 7th gen category. basically, anything up through ~2014 pc AAA releases and any current 8th gen stuff that uses switch-tier graphics(dusk diver, dragon quest builders, legend of legacy remastered, citizen sleeper, etc.)

[hollow stirrup]

I'd love to see the N150 in a handheld that is smaller. This would help it compete and make more sense against Android handhelds like the Odin 2.

An Odin 2 sized handheld with the N series chip that is quite power efficient would make it awesome for indies, lighter PC gaming, and emulation that is just a whole lot better on x86 vs Android (ARM).

[unreal heron]

We need a Win 600 successor with N150 but improved all around + better ergonomics .
They can use the same 720p screen

[terse goblet]

There is not even a hint if the win600 will have a succesor.

Honestly why I bought the oxp minipro. Was cheaper than the next lite, had better battery life, and still played elden ring.

[west trail]

I think this one is MIA for now guys. I'll ask about it but the 3588 was never a mass-profitable CPU and we have better now.

[dense gazelle]

so i sold my m3pro for nothing? 😭

i'd just buy another lmao

[west trail]

Not for nothing. The rp5 is amazing. Buy one of those and you have what the 3588 does

[dense gazelle]

i have so many things to say about the rp5.....but i'll stop at i dont enjoy that device. there was a charm to the m3pro

[mint notch]

I had to buy a grip to really start enjoying playing on it

[woven tree]

[terse goblet]

i just want the x18s back

😦

[quick jungle]

buy one 😛

[terse goblet]

They don't exist anymore 😂

Hmmm... everything that has been discontinued can still be assembled to order on alibaba though. even the RP2, 2+, and 2S

[errant zephyr]

some ali store found a stockpile of them a while back bet you can still get one

they werent good prices by todays standards but not OMG SUPER RARE FIND GUIZE

rip theres a few sellers left all look pretty sus tho

[distant iris]

isnt powkiddy rgb10max 4 dead?

[mossy cipher]

It lives inside our hearts

[terse goblet]

Told the soc needs a fan, or else it performs worse than the rk3576
Budget blown out
rgb10max4 canceled

cost of a mini fan with matching copper heatsink: 1.46usd

[modern basin]

how low are/were they planning on making this device?

[terse goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1097476284990378044/1267469850884837497/Screenshot_20240729-1511562.png?

skip to the beginning of the thread and pgdwn to relive this speculationfest

[modern basin]

I think people would've been fine if it went to $110

[uncut oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-love-its-been84years-titanic-rose-dewitt-bukater-gif-16846461

[terse goblet]

50c gameplay though... even if it's all radiating from the heatsink used for the rgb10max3pro, you're going to feel that toastiness

unfortunately, there isn't much space for more passive cooling nor a larger battery

[mint notch]

yeeeaaaah thats not going to cut it

[terse goblet]

If they made a mother-daughter board layout that sockets a module version of the rk3588 with enough room for a sink + blower, you could just DIY the whole thing, using gpio pins for cooling, but I don't think powkiddy is capable or willing to do that.

[forest basin]

The cursed chip set is still cursed

[mint notch]

that would take effort. Like GF Ace isnt actually that big or thick and despite the common sentiment, it doesnt actually get that terribly hot (and can be further improved with better thermal pad)