Orange Pi RK3588 Handheld

[quiet merlin]

Same goes for hardkernel but they just need to make better devices

If orangepi handhelds = hardkernel ethos but hardware quality on par with ayn/retroid/anbernic they’re going to become the clear winner in this space very quickly

Right now powkiddy is the only real balanced option between hardware quality and dev support but they aren’t quite at anbernic/retroid level on hardware (better than hardkernel though lol) and not quite at hardkernel level for dev support and ethos (better than anbernic though lol)

[empty summit]

That's great to hear
Related to that can the 3588 run PSP

[spiral bridge]

How is it risk free when its literally in the name ARM

[near lantern]

My main fear is OrangePI hasn't made a handheld as far as I know. Powkiddy will mess something up and the gamefroce never impressed me at all.

[empty summit]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if OrangePi also has manufacturing issues

[spiral bridge]

They have issues figuring out what it will look like. Cant imagine it will actually be out in october

3 different versions

Tall order

[quiet merlin]

??? Because it can boot android or Linux, so it’s a way for me to try out android without being stuck with it if I don’t like it (as I would on a t618)

[spiral bridge]

Was just trying to play with the words risk and RISC

Feel free to place you palm onto your forehead

@quiet merlin sorry

[quiet merlin]

Oh that’s actually a really good joke lol

Shame I didn’t get it

Though an arm handheld would in fact be RISC free lol

(I think the closest to a RISC handheld available is the RISC sku of the uConsole?)

(Good luck finding RISC compatible emulators for it)

[median garden]

linux end is going to be dead probably for another year, where things are right now, unless someone shows up with working drivers.

[quiet merlin]

I think you’ll find once the handhelds exist a lot more people will be a lot more motivated to make it work

[median garden]

I'm just going by the most recent batocera dev vids. just now getting full speed dreamcast in software mode, while playstation still shows a storm of colors before crashing the whole soc.

gonna be waiting for months of kernel work before they figure that mess out. much like the same thing that happened with the s922x, once the kernel update is out, its still going to be months of figuring out how to integrate it with anything but the terminal.

[old nimbus]

Holy shit. $250-ish would be a little too spicy for me, I think. Right at an Odin's $200 mark would be stellar. But the RP3+ is still doing fantastic down at $150.

[quiet merlin]

We will see - 200-ish might be realistic if not for the first wave of rk3588 handhelds than for the second

The first wave is gonna be the gameforce 2 and orangepi, then we’ll see powkiddy probably make one, dunno how many others will jump on when they seem pretty committed to the mediatek hell

Maybe anbernic will pivot to the 3588 instead of d1200 since they seem to be having some issues there

I think 3588 handhelds will need pretty good dev support to not just be an android handheld with somewhat mid battery life, and anbernic is not exactly beloved by the developer community

[unkempt tendon]

so..................................OP 3588 handheld release date when

[tepid crow]

In the year 3588...

[unkempt tendon]

Is it year 3588 yet?

[woeful finch]

who will release an rk3588 handheld first, Powkiddy or Orange Pi? 🤔

[fluid saffron]

Orange Pi as long as they can agree on a final layout 🙂

But I'll totally buy a Powkiddy if they are first. Their last couple of devices are actually pretty good, not flawless but decent.

[woeful finch]

yeah the quality of their handhelds have been improving. hopefully the pricing remains the same

[near lantern]

Any new information?

[unkempt tendon]

i just realized, this will no way be 4:3 right?

its gonna be 16:9

so i will need to find myself a 4:3 device........

[quiet merlin]

It is definitely 16:9

405v lmao

[unkempt tendon]

NO

not linux

and vertical

ewww

my choices is legit only: 552, 353m or Rk2023

[quiet merlin]

Hrm, Linux and 4:3 more powerful than the 3566 I think does not currently exist

The 552 I guess is more powerful than the 3566 by a bit but it’s not 4:3

Just not quite as wide as the OGU/Max3

[unkempt tendon]

oh no lol. I will only play up to PS1 only, maybe alittle saturn (1 game only)

so it doesnt need to be stronger than 3566

i have considered the 351mp, but that thing is a brick. And i have considered teh 350m (my all time fav 4:3 device) but i wasnt willing to spend 100+ on it

for those wondering why the 350m is my all time fav, but want to get another, is because the current 350m i have is a paper weight coz my neice chucked it into water and the 350m died

[quiet merlin]

Oh I assumed because you were asking about a 3588 that you wanted something with some power behind it

Horizontal Linux 4:3 is basically 353ps/m or rk2023 isn’t it?

[unkempt tendon]

yea unfortunately

2023 dpad is sharp and not fun

353m is overpriced

and i dont want the snes controller shaped thing

[quiet merlin]

Yeah it is a little odd that none of the cheaper Linux handhelds that are current come in horizontal

Like a horizontal 35xx or MM+

Waiting for a gba clone using a 720x480 3” display myself

[unkempt tendon]

i'd totally buy this

but needs the power for ps1

mm+ needed alittle more power

[quiet merlin]

Yeah

Something 35xx powered or better but with a 3” 720x480 (basically a gba replacement screen) and no sticks

[unkempt tendon]

yes stick

[quiet merlin]

Would be an absurdly pocketable beast of a handheld

[unkempt tendon]

other wise how to play dual analog ps1

[quiet merlin]

That’s like three games

[unkempt tendon]

oh

then nah

but where my 4:3 linux

[quiet merlin]

I just want to see 720x480 because it integer scales gba while also being equivalent to the 640x480 that’s now standard for 4:3, rather than having to go down to the 480x320 of the 351 or whatever which is good for GBA but not for basically anything else

[unkempt tendon]

agreed

but i doubt it will ever happen

[quiet merlin]

The screens do exist

In 3” too!

Perfect replacement for the OG miyoo mini

I think a stickless 3” mini GBA with that screen and a 3566 would be a dream come true tbh

[unkempt tendon]

But will they make it happen

With a 3566 too when everyone is like.....I WANT PS3 ON HANDHELDS

[devout sleet]

You also have Gameforce 🙂 Don't remember if there are other landscape RK3326 devices though. MP is incredibly solid, but external Wi-Fi was a big bummer for me.

RK3326 is more than enough for PS1 (no rewind though), and after getting my hands on MM+ I'd say that software on Rockchip stuff is a bit less hacky than MainUI/OnionOS, especially when it comes to network features.

I also wonder if just bumping RK3566 to RK3568 (+200 MHz) and better RAM a-la Powkiddy would be enough to do the trick for 5th gen/PSP

Last ETA Prime video shows RK3568 getting 60FPS in GoW with hacks on PSP (https://youtu.be/1aWycYifknw?t=478). Don't think that was possible with RK3566

Likely runs a bit hotter than RK3566, though, so probably can't just use the device's battery for a heatsink

Software-wise the two chips seem to be similar — Batocera is planning to support both as a single platform with mainline kernel

[gentle valley]

what is retail price expected to be ?

[hoary apex]

300-500$, most likely.

[gentle valley]

even the rk3588 version ? wow

I was expecting around 200

[devout sleet]

Everyone's just guessing, honestly. The only point of reference we can use here is SBC prices, but even that says nothing about how much handheld vendors are paying for the chip

There can always be a T618 situation where a chip becomes so inexpensive that we get like a dozen of T618 devices

[quiet merlin]

I can’t see this going for $300+ or at least can’t see anyone buying it at that price

[devout sleet]

Yeah, at that point you reach the inevitable "might as well get a Steamdeck"

Then again, I guess for Chinese vendors their domestic market comes first and I'm just not sure how easy/cheap Steamdeck is over there

Basically the reason Aya Neo still exists

[median garden]

Cheapest option is still the win2

[quiet merlin]

I wouldn’t even consider the deck good for ps3

Ally or desktop imo

[unkempt tendon]

NUUUU the gameforce is ooooooo audacious

i cant stand it

those "nipples" omg

[median garden]

Rk3568... "So close to full speed psp" and yet they didn't try kill zone or hot wheels. Lol. Just get a vita

[quiet merlin]

it's an OC'd 3566 right?

I need to see the back of it

if they have a better shoulder design than the 353VS it could be my new favourite pocketable 4:3 ARM device

[quiet merlin]

all three of the orange pi handhelds look promising for what they are

as long as they're competitively priced

[tepid crow]

By audacious you mean? Disrespectful? Bold?

[unkempt tendon]

Like bold..in your face

[devout sleet]

Yes

[topaz epoch]

Also has a slightly better GPU

[sick saffron]

I just read the title of the thread and it was so long compared to the others I'd imagine if you showed "Orange Pi RK3588 Handheld" to your grandpa he'd have a stroke

[quiet merlin]

I wonder if it’s the bump it needs to be able to be a good n64 handheld

[median garden]

hrm... 2amp soc. probably will need a 3.5 or 4amp battery to get decent life out of it. basically going to be another thick boy if it releases.

the same company's n5105 board(as well as mini cube pcs) coming out will be a lot more useful in a handheld.
https://www.youyeetoo.com/products/youyeetoo-x1-x86-single-board-computer?VariantsId=11287

https://youtu.be/VucNsHrJTuk

[quiet merlin]

The spec sheet does in fact claim 3.5Ah, which should give decent battery life but more importantly despite being a stronger chip it shouldn’t draw any more power when running stuff the 3566 already runs

[gentle valley]

Im surprised that I cant find any diy handhelds made with orange pi 5

I was going to make one myself but now im afraid im thinking why no one did it yet lol :D

• maybe pricing is going to be cheap and its not going to worth building one myself

[median garden]

you probably need to go about the same process this guy went through with the nucDeck:
https://youtu.be/sQocfy4pwIQ?t=393

fun thing about this build is it has analog battery moniter, so you don't need to hit the windows key to back out and see how much power is left

[gentle valley]

yes this one looks really nice but battery life is terrible sadly

since its a desktop

if you use SBC its going to better in that aspect

rk3588 handles ps2 pretty well so I think If I make a handheld using orange pi 5 plus , its going to be really really good for the price

but as I said im just thinking like i guess there is something that Im missing which makes it hard lol otherwise idk why no one made it

[median garden]

get an rk3588 first and try to run some games on it. then you'll see why it's taken a while. There's a big difference between seeing first-hand "oh wow this is reaaaaaaally jank" and sitting back in your armchair and bugging every developer to hurry up and release the "ideal rk3588 handheld that plays everything better than the win600 despite being 20% weaker than an sd855"

like, you're going to hit that wall at 90mph, and it's not going to feel good, just like everyone hopping on the rgb10max3 hoping for miracles and ending up in the -crash zone-

[near lantern]

this is weaker than the SD855?

[median garden]

yep. stats were posted weeks ago comparing it to the various snapdragons and mediatek chips

[near lantern]

Why do poeple like it so much then?

[median garden]

pecking order goes:
sd888 > d1200 > sd870 > sd865 > sd855 > rk3588 > sd845

People like it because a youtube personality told them to like it.

[topaz epoch]

Who was that? 😆

[median garden]

TAKI UDON

[topaz epoch]

DELETE QUICKLY YOU LITTLE SH-

[quiet merlin]

People like it because they don’t want chips that are locked to only running android

[gentle valley]

Oh really, I was relying on some videos Ive seen and other reddit posts

then you saying this is not accurate ?

[near lantern]

Higher end linux isn't looking too great anymore

[median garden]

wii u - F rating (correct)
Switch - D rating (correct)

switch honestly could be an F+ rating. That mali driver is eh

[near lantern]

What is that. Chips and noddles mixed together?

[gentle valley]

what about ps2, gamecube and wii

those ones I wonder

[quiet merlin]

3588 should be mostly fine for those

[near lantern]

Doses A mean I can just load a game and not mess with the settings?

[quiet merlin]

More powerful than an odin pro, which is already 90% of the way there

[near lantern]

What is the cost of the 3588 on SBC?

[median garden]

the thing is all of 6th gen starts to plateau at around the sd855/sd865 mark

[quiet merlin]

60 to 150 depending

On ram, storage, wifi, etc

[median garden]

and then 7th gen hits arm processors like a wall

ram crashes, bad fps, render glitches, young emulators... it's a uniform wall.

[near lantern]

Ok so on a SBC that can run PS2 games

[quiet merlin]

Most orange pi 5 skus should do that fine

[near lantern]

cost of those?

[cold plank]

so retroid pocket priced

cool

[median garden]

it's an acquired taste. kinda salty but really popular

[near lantern]

If this hits the 160 opening price it would be great

[median garden]

160 would be a good price, compared to the odin stuff

[near lantern]

OM Geeee. That comment is so good on some many levels

[quiet merlin]

For a bit over 100 you could get a 5 plus with 8gb of Ram

[near lantern]

So 160 should be doable?

[quiet merlin]

No clue

If they can get their handheld under 200 that would be a game changer

Given the last few aya and ayn devices have shown the d1200 and snapdragons are completely uncompetitive price wise

[near lantern]

160 would kill the T618 market

[quiet merlin]

Even 190 would tbf

At least outside of the cheaper stuff like the 2s

[median garden]

for people breaking into mobile emulation, 160 is the sweet spot, so it lines up with expectations to have ~sd855 performance for that price

[sick saffron]

Linux handhelds with the rk3588 under 200 would be pretty nice

[cold plank]

the t618 era should be over 😵

[near lantern]

I just see that most people are willing to give something a try at a cheaper price.

[near lantern]

It will not be until something the same price and better comes out.

[sick saffron]

Till then we'll be stuck in the t618 zone

[median garden]

t618's are a good spot though. good enough for android and emulation gaming.

[sick saffron]

It's alright and the handhelds are pretty cheap along with cool stuff like gammaOS making the anbernic devices more desirable

[median garden]

If you just wanna play some genshin/sky/botworld/honkai star-rail or whatever, you don't have to pay much to enter the market with a handheld that has a dedicated screenmapping button

it's like 139 for the cheapest t618 right now

[near lantern]

I like the t618 for a long time. Why I got a x18S so long ago. Still a killer SOC

[cold plank]

or 99 for the t618 lite #1131560621440258158

[near lantern]

Until we really know what the t610 can do. I will wait

[median garden]

right now it's main gimmick is "better than the rp3/2+"

[sick saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-jurassic-bark-ill-wait-gif-3356197

[cold plank]

tbf i got like
windwaker and metroid prime running on the rp2+ so
should work well

i think the 2s is gonna be the tinkerer device

[near lantern]

I want to see 2S vs Max3. What is the best for a budget handheld.

[quiet merlin]

T618 will probably stick around since it’s power efficient. Probably just get cheaper

[cold plank]

one isnt a glitchy buggy mess

[cold plank]

70$ t618

ultimate budget

[quiet merlin]

Wait 6 months and it might be max 3 but right now the 2s is gonna be a smoother experience (much worse screen though… 3.5” 640x480 for over $100 is a bit “lol”)

[cold plank]

heah honestly its kinda crazy how much the t618 can already do like it can run all of the 3DS games im nostalgic for

[near lantern]

I refuse to play 3DS on a single screen handheld

[quiet merlin]

I’d do it on a large enough widescreen

[near lantern]

I did some DS on the 505 and didn't like it.

[dapper lily]

Has anyone tried out 3DS on the Linux side yet with this SOC? I’m making a handheld and was hoping 3DS was decently performant without vulkan

[near lantern]

Have a Duo

[devout sleet]

Why that, and not the kinda hyped N100?

Dual channel RAM or something?

[median garden]

Well the difference between the n5095 and the n5105 was the better gpu. Between that and the n100 and the n200, I believe the difference goes into l3/l2cache and probably higher clock speeds. Feel free to double check that.

[devout sleet]

Just a few comparisons from Robtech’s review on Beelink EQ12 Mini vs other N95/N100 and also previous gen Celeron chips

The power draw is significantly lower for N5105 miniPC though, even though the chip itself is specced as 10W by Intel as opposed to 6W for N100. Go figure

Okay, comparing chips based on whole miniPC power consumption is likely a bad idea. The particular JX1 model included there is about 5W lower than even other N5105 devices in his own tests

https://youtu.be/HavlJkbNmpk

Gotta say, now that N100 seems to come down in prices, really curious to see someone make a handheld out of this. Probably not gonna be small, but should be just great for Linux

[exotic path]

GPU bottle necks all around

so if external GPUs for this would be a thing, we'd be eating good

like even an eternal GT1630 would add a huge amount of extra performance

[median garden]

N100 sbcs do exist. Its just a matter of who thinks it will be profitable as a handheld.

even if you only use a lesser Jasper Lake soc, you're still getting a lot of emulation bang for your buck, especially if you pair it with a panel that supports 40hz. Its one of those tiny details that makes the win600 super nimble when you need that extra 33% performance boost on something

[night cliff]

Is the N5105 that good?
I am thinking of the GMK nucbox 5 which is using N5015

[median garden]

yeah, but it's jasper, not tiger lake, which gets some issues for upper 6th gen.

jasper = 4mb l3 (5095/5105)
tiger = 6mb l3 (95/100)

n5095/95 = 16cu gpu
n5015/100 = 24cu gpu
n200-305 = 32cu gpu

[exotic path]

the N200 in the Win600 formfactor would be pretty sick Me thinks

[near lantern]

Will this be less than 399?

[tulip dagger]

I'm predicting $250 to $300 for the Orange Pi.

[bright elk]

Should be lower based on previous rumors (1499 rmb), and with the Odin 2 at 1999 rmb in China they can't go near that

[tulip dagger]

These companies don't usually pay attention to each others pricing but I would be more than happy to see a cheaper price.

[near lantern]

300 IS A LOT

[quiet merlin]

so 225-250 would probably be a safe guess?

[near lantern]

It will have to be 250ish if they want to sell them. Maybe could be more if they come out now. The delay makes it less and less worth it.

[median garden]

i would prefer the i3-n305 tbh

same tdp, same L3, but 8c/8t. basically makes it capable of ps3/xb360 emulation

[exotic path]

hot damn

[median garden]

beelink has one for 182 on aliexpress. actually not bad for the power it shits out.

[exotic path]

would be good for a little emulation box....if those HP elite mini didn't exist

[median garden]

yeah, the used pc market is full of cheap mini pcs right now.

[cunning nacelle]

What would be a good mini pc right now for linux and windows both

[devout sleet]

Probably depends on what you want to do. N100 should be capable of playing PS2/GC upscaled at least 2x

[median garden]

there's a sale going on. you can get one with 16gb ram and 512gb storage for like 124usd?
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805589748947.html?

[cunning nacelle]

Thanks you so much, I really appreciate it

[hoary apex]

Also, dont forget to wipe out the entire storage, because most likely it contains some virus/+malware, like on android tv boxes, etc...

[cunning nacelle]

I'll probably install linux on it

[near lantern]

We need information

[cold plank]

its orange

what else ya need

[near lantern]

or is it retroid yellow?

[median garden]

A ray of sunshine for you lot. FydeOS is both android and archlinux in one for x86 socs, BUT there is an ARM version for the rk3588 called OpenFyde, that has pretty nice windows gaming support.

[median garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n0OH37Nqfo&ab_channel=leepspvideo

for rk3588, you get the advantage of Android for ARM + all of its software, and a debian linux layer that can run wine/proton/steam.

[fallen depot]

sounds pretty cool

[cold plank]

idk what any of that means but
basically rk3588 can run android right?

[quiet merlin]

yeah it can run android or linux

[cold plank]

awesome

fully expecting the rp4 /anbernic 506 being this chipset tbh

[devout sleet]

I think Orange Pi OS is also like that (supposed to be able to run both Linux and Android stuff), but I haven't looked into that one too much

There's also stuff like Anbox/Waydroid which is more or less like Bluestacks for Linux

[sick saffron]

Did news plateau as much when the market was oversaturated with 3566 handhelds and people went wide eyed at whatever crump of credible news there was

[devout sleet]

You mean RK3326? Because the RK3566 flood is right about now

[sick saffron]

Yeah sorry brain went brrrr

[median garden]

there's also armbian, but I don't think armbian is newb friendly OR handheld friendly.
https://jamesachambers.com/radxa-rock-5b-steam-installation-guide-for-armbian/

you'll definitely need one of these though, for any level of windows gaming. every route(android or linux or both) ends in you putting in pages of terminal commands

[median garden]

yeah, it runs android fine.

unfortunately, where there was previously glitch-hell, there is now cpu-translation hell. this is how CS Go looks like played through the debian VM layer of OpenFyde:
https://youtu.be/QrqVkUaFYBw?t=178

[near lantern]

Feel like the RK3588 will be far behind everything else at the entry price point

[quiet merlin]

I think it’s gonna do more than the d1200

But yeah might not be able to compete with s8g2 handhelds for power per dollar

[median garden]

Its kinda too little too late tbh. Like, the Odin pro beats it on windows performance and loses to it in android and linux(sort of)

[near lantern]

tic tock

[coral ginkgo]

PS2 - A

3ds - B
Also questionable

I don't like their rating system, they give out A's too easily

[quiet merlin]

Probably did the 3588 ratings before citra got vulkan support

[fallen depot]

the maintainer of the sheet is willing to update ratings based on research done by other peeps in the community

it must be difficult for one person keep up with researching the capabilities of what must be a hundred different chips by now

[quiet merlin]

Especially when emulators for 3ds and switch in particular are still being worked on all the time

[modest hull]

What absolute legend simplified the list and deleted those dumb dots?

[barren cove]

all one guy

i sent him money once

he sent me a thank-you email

[woeful finch]

When do we see the first batch of RK3588 handhelds? Maybe early 2024?

[spiral bridge]

Was supposed to be october

[fallen depot]

I've heard rk3588 handhelds were "coming this year" since early 2022

[hoary apex]

"Trust me, it will come out this year, for real this time, bro."

[median garden]

We'll get another Nvidia handheld before they settle into the market

[thick lodge]

Taki set the expectation high at the beginning of 2023.

They gonna squeeze every drop of t618 before moving to next soc. That might not even be rk3588s.

[quiet merlin]

I think for anbernic it’s gonna be d1200

No idea for retroid

Powkiddy is the only current large-ish handheld manufacturer to express any interest in the 3588

Other than them it’s the gameforce 2 and the orange pi

[thick lodge]

Rg405v with d1200 would be chef kiss.

[quiet merlin]

Counterpoint: 405m with a d1200 and plastic

[jade hare]

Yes! Have controls on the sides and underneath the screen! It'll be the 405T, named as such because it's shaped like a T

[thick lodge]

🤣🤣

[quick granite]

not really tbh, T618 isn't really good for more demanding android games like Genshin or CoD Mobile, and it still caps out at N64/DC/PS1/PSP for emulation, GC and PS2 are just not good ther

[quick granite]

running and running well are two different things

I played WindWaker on RP3+ and it wasn't a good experience. Even in the starting area it couldn't hold 60fps, dropping as low as 45. This would make the Fire Temple absolutely unplayable.

[quick granite]

yeah, the tiny screen instantly took the 2s from my consideration, I ain't playing N64 on a 3.5" lol

juest realised I necroed super old replies, my bad guys lol

[median garden]

as long as it plays decently from beginning to end and rolls credits without being annoying, that's a done deal. I'm probably a good 47hours into genshin on my x18s

Yeah it plays better on my GPD XP+ or win600 or s20fe/ipega, but neither of those go comfortably in a pants pocket.

[cold plank]

wait yall need 60
im always good with 30

[exotic path]

wait, can you frame limit Dolphin?

[median garden]

you can either

• underclock
• vsync cap
• cheat engine cap

vsync capping is mainly for x86 gamers and brave android tinkerers though.

[exotic path]

aww

honestly I just wish Dolphin had a standard issue frameskip

that'd make so many gamecube games playable on the RP2S

[quick granite]

Ah wait yeah, I only remembered the percentage (dropped to 75% speed in the opening area), so must have been around 22 fps lol

It was unplayable

[cold plank]

how did that happen

[quick granite]

What?;

[modest hull]

“It’s really gonna shake things up in 2035 bro”

[quiet merlin]

No news for like two months and suddenly everyone is like “oh yeah this is dead until at least two years from now” ???

[spiral bridge]

They de-railed the hype train

[fallen depot]

#1103790234451324928 is the new hype train

[woeful finch]

What about magnetic controllers like the Pimax Portal that works on both portrait and landscape orientation? 🤣

[near lantern]

Come on orange pi do something

[fallen depot]

I think the smart thing for them to do at this point is wait and see how gameforce does

then they can plan accordingly

[spiral bridge]

That requires thinking

The best solution is to beat them to it regardless the state of development

[tranquil olive]

I think the gameforce aimed for the cheapest build.

You can see in the photos how cheap the case nd button plastic is.

[unkempt tendon]

can you?

i dunno how to tell

[quiet merlin]

"looks cheap" "feels cheap" "is cheap" and "is durable" are all fairly independent variables in my experience

[tranquil olive]

The buttons in the photo shoot are all chewed up. The white and the black case plastic is all uneven colored. Like the black picks up any oil

[tulip dagger]

Hopefully we will get some info on this before the end of the year.

[woeful finch]

Is the RK3588 comparable to an SD 845 in terms of performance? I've seen videos of a Poco F1 phone running Windows 11 ARM and it's able to run PC games quite well.

[median garden]

it's slightly stronger in benchmarks but has much less stable development

[woeful finch]

Hopefully development catches up. It will be great for older PC games. Great alternative to Athlon 3050e devices with better battery life.

Hopefully it's the first Rockchip to support faster charging too.

[quiet merlin]

I don’t think that’s on the cpu to support, that’s usually a separate power controller

[median garden]

won't happen. performance is locked to the wattage cap

3050e's and 3020e's scale with their wattage and come with vsync-cap options for a free boost.

that said, 5mb of cpu cache is a good way to master all of 6th gen, wii-u and some switch

[exotic path]

so this is the new king?

[median garden]

no. the ayaneo pocket air and gpd xp+ still slap it around the room, as does any sd855 and up

[exotic path]

the new...sub $200 king?

[median garden]

THOUGH, the gameforce ace in that ~160usd range kinda mogs everything

[exotic path]

yeah that boy is gonna get big ratings from that price point alone

[median garden]

also, t618 isn't going to die anytime soon with devs pushing hard with optimization patches

[exotic path]

oh the T618 is gonna live arguably longer than the 3326

[median garden]

i've been playing on my x18s off and on all day doing gamecube stuff. the newest update is amazing

[exotic path]

everytime I see the X18S I get tempted

especially seeing it go for around $130 or so on Ali

if I find it for $100 I might just end up nabbing it

[median garden]

it's weirdly good at what it does which is be comfortable and sturdy in the pocket.

[exotic path]

also have a big screen for it's footprint which could be really handy

I had a thought, what if PK upgraded the X18 with the 3588S

[median garden]

yeah no.

i could see them using an sd845 though. that would be a nice punch to Ayn

[exotic path]

what about a larger X18 with the 3588S

[median garden]

they would have to push all of the buttons and connection ports to the sides to fit the cooling.

[exotic path]

or maybe the bottom

[median garden]

using an android soc would keep it more compact

[exotic path]

isn't the headphone port already down there?

[median garden]

yeah

[exotic path]

I'm just spitballing ideas

[median garden]

i could see an x19s with an sd855 inside. that would be perfect

[exotic path]

is there a chipset between the 3566 and 3588S?

[median garden]

3568, but its nothing special

[quiet merlin]

yeah, just a slightly higher clocked 3566 with more I/O

and you don't need any of that extra I/O in a handheld

[exotic path]

sounds like the X variants of the Ryzen processors

so that chipset would slap on a dev board

[median garden]

honestly, donate to your emulator devs. give them more incentive to make performance better

[exotic path]

what if I donate to frontend devs?

[median garden]

heh

[exotic path]

hmm?

[exotic path]

wait, is the 3588S a lower power version or a more powerful version?

[unkempt tendon]

#1103790234451324928 message

[exotic path]

same power but different IO

[unkempt tendon]

anyone have an Orangepi product and can let me know about the quality it has?

[visual totem]

They never released a handheld before

[unkempt tendon]

im aware, but their other products

coz the quality of their other products, would give an indication of what level of care they would give to this one

or i assume so anyways

[unkempt tendon]

no further news on this device still?

im really tempted by the gameforce ace

[visual totem]

Nothing yet. I think I heard that they want to show it by the end of october

[near lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/you-gotta-do-something-cant-just-sit-here-phone-call-gif-16907328

[coarse oracle]

I think engadget and another site usually talk about them in a fair and good manner. It's a cheaper alternative, but quite some devs working on those orange pi's . Not as big as the raspberry of course. But still a known company in Sbc's . Single board computers.

[sonic frost]

Orange pi has some pretty good stuff but they don’t have the same level of development and support as raspberry pi does. Mainly because the rpi foundation has a lot of resources

[woeful finch]

Bump

[hot thicket]

Wainting for some news about this one.....

[bleak spruce]

Right after the first Odin 2’s are supposed to ship that kinda make this thing obsolete

[fluid saffron]

Depends on the price point. They are competing with the Gameforce ACE given the 3588 processor. It remains to be seen if the ACE is a great value at $170 since there are no reviews yet. Either way I'd be shocked if the Orange Pi is more than say, $225. I really wanted the Odin because it's truly top of the line—but reliable PS2/GC for around $200 is going to be really tempting for a lot of people.

[visual totem]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-joe-exotic-the-best-of-joe-exotics-music-video-down-broken-gif-16817716

[tulip dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-spongebob-coffee-sad-gif-16525719

[median garden]

there's also the reality that the rk3588 was designed as a box pc, and has the same voltage/power-down issues as amlogic processors when running on a battery, so kernel devs may be running around in circles trying to solve that predicament.

[grand fulcrum]

Yeah, I'm really curious to see how the GameForce Ace turns out when it's finished

[near lantern]

I thought we have at lease one 3588 out by the end of the year. Doesn't look good.

[median garden]

https://youtu.be/H6YdDIKFGlU?si=UJLoI4pvj3WHID0p

Here is your one rk3588 device. I believe it became the Cool Pi, which killed itself with over pricing and too few options

[woeful finch]

Orange Pi should just make a handheld that uses compute modules like the Turing RK1, that way if a more powerful one comes out people can just buy a new compute module.

[median garden]

It would be so much easier if they dropped rock chip and just made a batocera/chromeOS x86 handheld

N5095 and laugh their way to the bank

[quiet merlin]

AMD just needs to sell the steam deck APU to companies that don’t rhyme with halve

Call it the z1 mini

[near lantern]

I fear that this SOC will end up like the Max3 and OGU handhelds

[quiet merlin]

Maybe. Rockchip historically has not been that jank

[coral ginkgo]

Well I'm willing to bet that valve has exclusivity rights to that chip, they did work closely with AMD

[median garden]

everything is -still- betaware for the rk3588 from the linux end, so yeah. it's just like amlogic

[quiet merlin]

The difference is the 3588 handhelds teased so far should have touchscreens and a decent bit of ram and will just ship with Android

[near lantern]

wait where is this info. I only seen it for SBCs

[quiet merlin]

This thread

Also #1103790234451324928

The two announced 3588 handhelds

[median garden]

Glad the "better than x86" meme died off. It should be good at some box64 windows emulation though. Little things like borderlands presequal work fine on it in the 25-35fps performance range.

[cursive prism]

Was this Orange Pi handheld actually announced or just leaked/confirmed?

[karmic canopy]

What's the better than x86 meme?

[median garden]

way back in May of this year, there was a wee bit of "can't wait to use box86 in linux to make this play indie games better than the steam deck." Taki made a video of himself painfully compiling box64, custom kernels, custom mali drivers, etc. and it more or less looked like you would expect.

things have gotten better. it's very 2008-mid in terms of windows gaming performance

https://youtu.be/FBPRre39PtI?t=697

[karmic canopy]

Ahh, gotcha.

[median garden]

it's -way- easier to run gog or itch.io indie games through wine and dxvk than deal with any level of Steam-bs.

Since this is shippin with android, you should probably just warm up to box64droid, which you can already screw around with on a tablet or chromebook or whatever. Ideally, you should have an sd855 to get a good idea of what you can and can't play.

https://youtu.be/ew4ey3hTqTs

[cold plank]

is this even like

real

is there any updates

is there a list of everything we know about it cuz like what the hell

[cursive prism]

I think it's really just been a leak and they sorta confirmed it by saying they haven't really determined their pricing yet

[limber jacinth]

i really don't think it will come out anytime soon

nor for a good price

i don't think the rk3588 has been produced like enough to get it low-ish like the rk3566

[near lantern]

I forgot what this handheld looks like. It been that long.

[cursive prism]

#1102802378496954389 message

[karmic canopy]

Honest question. With the RP4 having a D1100 for $200, is there much point to this?

[quiet merlin]

Unless somebody manages to get the d1100 to run Linux with working GPU drivers the 3588 has a place

[karmic canopy]

Ok, so this is like the ACE then, really just trading on the flex and PC game stuff that linux can provide?

[median garden]

there's not much flex tbh. the rk3588 is on par with a 2008 gaming pc. Android-wise, it stands with the sd855. It's nickel-and-diming the odin pro for all that's worth

[sharp ether]

Just ordered the gameforce ace?

[karmic canopy]

So...this this is dead, right?

[quiet merlin]

Orange pi isn’t active in the handheld space (yet) so we have no idea - no real open line of communication between us and them compared to other companies

[sharp ether]

The gameforce ace is getting the first shipment by February 8

[rare rune]

Oops wrong pi

[prime kettle]

Any word on when @rare rune ?

[rare rune]

No sir, just found that on reddit

[patent widget]

Literally ran here bc I saw it on Reddit too

[fallen depot]

who cares about another 7840u handheld

[exotic path]

the only thing that could make this more interesting is if it was priced far more competitively

[fallen depot]

to be fair that was part of the lineup they presented 6 months ago but this feels too little too late

[rare rune]

People care about the next lite so I assume there's people out there that care about everything!

[fallen depot]

I kinda get the next lite because $300 + free shipping for peeps out there who want to play pc games ranging from indie to xbox360/ps3 era and the steam deck still isn't available for them

tbh it's the only aya neo product that released recently that I felt makes sense

[elfin steppe]

Isn’t the x86 rumoured to be $450 which is why its a big deal

[tranquil olive]

I like it. But yeah price is everything

[elfin steppe]

The selling point was it was mean’t to be the cheapest 7840u handheld.

[tranquil olive]

I like the design.

[hoary apex]

This has 2 trackpads. And not much handheld has trackpsd/s.

[fluid saffron]

I love the trackpad on the Deck, I'm sold on having one (at least on the right).

[crystal thunder]

I sleep

[fallen depot]

good point but imo still not unique enough

[hoary apex]

Well, yeah.
Althought, the sceen and the battery looks good, and has trackpads too.

[unkempt tendon]

where are you...........i need my 3588s device...........

[exotic path]

They're about to cry

they need it

[unkempt tendon]

im not happy with my 4080s pc

im not happy with my odin2

i need this

i need a win

[exotic path]

The win is within you

when you become happy by understanding that chasing new things only lead to emptiness

[unkempt tendon]

nah

looks at 4090

[exotic path]

the foolish pup

[unkempt tendon]

but utterly lovable

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-adorable-cute-heart-gif-17686494

[exotic path]

debatable

[unkempt tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tear-cry-courage-dog-gif-21310976

[exotic path]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-eustace-mallet-angry-its-go-time-gif-4845999

[fallen depot]

peeps are starting to get their hands on the gameforce ace

[unkempt tendon]

I didn't like the look of the dpad: looks not precise.

[fallen depot]

you can ask those who got theirs how the dpad feels

[warm marsh]

I don’t mind it

No false diagonals, did the contra test

But I’m not a dpad snob

The analog triggers are the issue. Hopefully fixable via firmware/software update.

[sharp ether]

My post office. I think I will get it Today

[cursive prism]

What's the issue with the triggers?

[tranquil olive]

They intermittently stick...

[near lantern]

We got one 3588 handheld and it not doing too well. Can Orange fix it?

[vivid acorn]

I think if its slightly bigger with better cooling and bigger battery yes

[near lantern]

source?

[vivid acorn]

Oop I worded that wrong

Though these images were just posted in the orange pi chat

Looks like it could be a decent 5 or 6 inches to me. With a cooling grate on the back

[fallen depot]

now that's newsworthy

[vivid acorn]

Might also be newsworthy that it’ll have a 3588s per @void garnet via the orange pi discord

[cursive prism]

JELOS is releasing with full support for ACE soon - just saw the PR for Release!

Software won't fix sticky triggers or other hardware issues though >_>

I'm really surprised no other 3588 handhelds have been officially announced though... Orange Pi sorta acknowledged it, but still doesn't feel official and no release date that I've seen

[cursive prism]

Ummmmm, where is the USB C port? 🧐

The one on top left looks like it has a flat top like some kind of HDMI

[vivid acorn]

The port by the headphone jack looks like the sd card slot

It’s a render so if someone just forgot it’s not that weird

I’d guess centered on the bottom. The headphone jack is offset

[vivid acorn]

My 2 cents is that over one the chimeraos discord, one of the devs mentioned getting a dev unit for the orange pi neo and that he’d been helping them design it for almost a year. The manjaro update said they were working on the software support since may. I’d guess they don’t want to release it unless it’s in a good working state

It’s still early days of the 3588. Even booting from m.2 might have issues

[cursive prism]

Yeah, centered on the bottom seems most likely to me as well 👍

[cursive prism]

A timeframe would be nice, but ultimately if they can release without issues will be what matters

It's easy to say GameForce jumped the gun, but whoever's next needs to get it (more) right

[vivid acorn]

Guy who posted these pictures on the orange pi discord said it will have an m.2 slot

Guy who posted these seems to work for orange pi. Idk I’m new to the server. So not a rumor and those renders are probably close to the end product

[void garnet]

but it will be limited to PCIe 2.0 x 1

trying to find out if it will have wifi as well since it's missing the usb 3.0 port. It's possible that we get HDMI out throughthe USB type c port but I wouldn't keep my hopes up on that.

They'd have to set it up as an OTG port and would have limited use then to consoleize it as well

[vivid acorn]

I’m hoping that’s just a mistake and the device will have mini hdmi/mini DisplayPort and usb c. Or usb c with video out though on these single boards that could come with complications. Bluetooth would also be necessary to use it as a console so hopefully it has wireless. But even limited at pcie 2.1, it’s a big upgrade over sd cards and emmc

I can’t imagine they’d make it as big as it looks but not have some docking capability

[void garnet]

The eMMC modules they are using for the OPI 5 series are HS/400 so they keep up at PCIe 2.0 x 1. USB C to HDMI has been fairly painless on the OPI 5 I have but if you are looking to use a dock then that's going to be more interesting and hope if that's the care tehy release one for it.

If it does have wifi I doubt it won't come with bluetooth. the chipsets the OPI 5 that work in android all have bluetooth and at least wifi 5/ AC

[vivid acorn]

Yeah that’s what i was thinking. Would be less point in video out if it couldn’t do 4 wireless controllers. Though I suppose if the usb c could dock with video out then connecting it to something a dongle on it wouldn’t be terrible. If usb c display out works reliably then all the better. The main benefit of m.2 is the reliability of them and cost for storage, plus maximum storage. I don’t think they make terabyte emmc. I’d rather own drives that are more versatile so I can use them for other things

[dim stirrup]

What is the discord for the orange pie chat

[devout sleet]

Damn, this looks pretty solid, actually. Nothing extraordinary, but checks most of the boxes for me

Cautiously optimistic

Can't actually share Discord links here, gets autobanned

[karmic canopy]

Really reminds me of the Pocket Air/Air series. But with more of a butt.

If they do pull it off, the only competition with this chip is the ACE. Which I have not given up on, but also, well, gets a could do better grade right now.
Shipped broken, and really screwed over the indie buyers.

[vivid acorn]

It’s on their website I think

[dim stirrup]

Ok thanks I'll look there

[devout sleet]

Selfie camera, huh

Also wonder what's that LC and RC buttons are for

[karmic canopy]

The Pi actually stands for Private Investigator. They are watching....

[vivid acorn]

I like the form factor. One leak said the screen was 5.5 inches? It’d be in a different class than most of these if it’s sort of big. But being a little bigger than a psvita with grips would still make it more portable than x86 handhelds. I kinda hope they push 6 inches. Use the extra space for battery and cooling cause the chip probably needs it

[devout sleet]

They can see the full range of my grimaces when I'm hating myself during Ai Cho Aniki sessions

[karmic canopy]

With those bezels, a 6inch screen will be a pretty big handheld.

[vivid acorn]

Yeah it’s unfortunate the bezels are much bigger than the black mock up that looked like a smaller neo

Probably is 5.5 with bezel

[devout sleet]

Is JELOS currently the only option for Gameforce Ace?

[karmic canopy]

Aye, pocket air is 5.5, and looks similar with bezels

[devout sleet]

How bad/good is Android on RK3588S, btw?

[warm marsh]

On the Ace, bad so far but that’s not necessarily androids fault.

[devout sleet]

I mean, realistically JELOS as the only option would be a red flag for me

[vivid acorn]

I think they might be waiting to ship when a Linux os is done. I wonder if they’re doing their own gaming version of orange pi os. Or a manjaro arm distro. The jelos team said they weren’t going to work on in development handhelds anymore but maybe this is an exception since they’re working on the gamefore

[warm marsh]

There’s a half baked batocera build and android build being tested/worked on. JelOS is closest to being ready

[karmic canopy]

It'll almost certainly get others 🙂

[karmic canopy]

Damn, you make it sound so appealing

[vivid acorn]

Yeah it may be a while. Like the odroid go ultra only just got support to use the gpu in the os because of jelos. Before that it was really slow

[warm marsh]

They said they weren’t working on sbcs or chips they didn’t own. They are working on 3588 handhelds like the Ace

[warm marsh]

It’s not I haven’t played a game on it yet other than testing

[vivid acorn]

I thought they said they weren’t going to do development for companies anymore?

[devout sleet]

I think, considering the current state of Linux development, I'd prefer to have a solid Android build as a backup

[warm marsh]

It’s not for Gameforce explicitly, that just happens to be the only handheld they have with the chip so far.

[karmic canopy]

They also said -

JELOS will also stop working directly with manufacturers to support new or existing devices, going forward we will only develop JELOS for devices that we have on hand or have purchased ourselves.

[warm marsh]

Yes some of them have a Gameforce Ace

[karmic canopy]

Aye, I mean they are not ruling anything out, just that they won't be doing pre release support anymore.

[warm marsh]

Yeah

That being said a lot of the work for the ACE should apply to any other 3588s devices as well

According to Gameforce there will be Linux and Android builds forthcoming

[vivid acorn]

Yeah I just think it won’t ship with jelos. It sounds like the jelos devs just want to support devices they like and use. So it’s possible the pi is an exception and they’ll ship with it but it’s unclear. I don’t know how orange pi normally does business. Their boards can use orange pi’s own distro

And manjaro has arm versions of their os

Which ship on pine64 products

[warm marsh]

It looks like the OPi 5 ships with Android so I guess I would expect that

I think android has some better video drivers in some cases at the moment? Apparently video drivers for the chip are a bit of a sticking point in Linux

[vivid acorn]

Yeah that’s probably just it

If the game force came in hot maybe they’re touching up android

[devout sleet]

Hope they plan for a bigger scale than Gameforce, too

$269 for an RK3588S handheld isn't really cool anymore, IMO

[vivid acorn]

The manjaro q&a said they wanted the neo at “the lower end of steam deck pricing”. The goals for these handhelds might be to price them cheaper

I’d guess at least $200. I think if its good, I’d pay more for it

[devout sleet]

$200 is already in the "you need to really care about Linux to buy this" zone IMO

RP4P is faster, RG556 is kinda on par (though this has a better GPU), but has better features

NGL I really like the color scheme

Just generally partial to white devices

Also no freaking LEDs around the sticks, thank you Orange

Guess those are reserved for their 7840U handheld

FWIW here are the specs. This leak is from last July, but the designs for both ARM and x86 handhelds haven't changed since then

Yeah, the specs for the x86 one have barely changed since then

BTW, can someone please explain, is there a formula to convert battery capacity from mAh to Wh?

[vivid acorn]

Yeah but they just confirmed a switch to the 3588s with pcie 2.0 so other things might be different

[devout sleet]

Downgrade from 3.0?

[vivid acorn]

Yee. One of the downgrades with 3588s. But the m.2 slot which is still there is all I care about

[devout sleet]

Ah, you mean, they switched from the non-S chip to the S one

[vivid acorn]

Which I think is what the game force ace has

[devout sleet]

Didn't notice they originally wanted to use regular RK3588, assumed it was S all along

Makes sense, tbh

[vivid acorn]

So it’s unclear what other specs were affected. That’s an old list

I honestly would have dug the full chip. Give me 4K hdmi in so I can use it as a streaming pc lol

[devout sleet]

RK3588S supports it, I think? https://gadgetversus.com/processor/rockchip-rk3588-vs-rockchip-rk3588s/

[warm marsh]

The S mostly removes things you wouldn’t need on a handheld anyway

[devout sleet]

Unsure if I'm looking in the right place, but I'd assume if it does HDMI 2.0, it should do 4K

[vivid acorn]

Yeah but the full 3588 board has an hdmi in for capture. But yeah you don’t need the full 3588 for a handheld. The cost savings are more important

[devout sleet]

At least it has a webcam lol

[quiet merlin]

mAh/1000 x voltage = Wh

So you need the battery voltage to do the conversion

Usually it’s somewhere between 3.3 and 7 volts for portable digital electronics

[karmic canopy]

Why do you want the m.2 slot so much?

[quiet merlin]

So 7000mAh x 3.3v would be 23.1 wH for example

[quiet merlin]

A lot of Linux handhelds really suffer on boot time by booting off of microSD

[vivid acorn]

big storage

for big boys

[quiet merlin]

Even the 3566 is capable of booting faster than the microSD slot on 3566 handhelds would allow

See: the boot times from people who have an emmc x55 who have installed the OS on the emmc

[karmic canopy]

That doesn't effect in game though, right?

[quiet merlin]

correct

but it might for PC games

for roms microSD is usually fine

I mean even for older PC games a microSD is usually faster than the 7200rpm mechanical drives we used to use

[karmic canopy]

That's cool. I was just wondering if there was something I was missing there, as for most internal+SD card is fine.

But I get that SSD is cheaper, can be bigger, and it's cool if it's a priority for you. We all use these things in different ways.

[vivid acorn]

Well also sd cards don’t last as long. Didn’t feel great to spending a bunch of money on one when an ssd is close to the same price at 1tb

And as far as I can tell, 256gb is the cap for emmc

It’s just an old inefficient way of doing things when most of these boards could use a 2230 or bigger ssd instead

Also, all tiny and cheap flash memory has issues with over heating which caps out read and write speeds way faster than real drives. Even if they have “200mb/s” they’re not going to maintain that transfer speed. And they heat up in use when running off them. An m.2 is better about it and can be cooled easier

[near lantern]

Who is ordering one of these? Anyone know how far along this handheld is?

[devout sleet]

I mean, this is their first handheld, so I'd wait for reviews from the first batch

[void garnet]

@near lantern I plan ordering one when I can, not sure how far along it is in development either first real sample we've seen but depends on how much they lean on the neo for the RG as well

[karmic canopy]

Anyone who understands how these things tend to go will heed this advice.

[void garnet]

Neo already has Linux for it in Manjaro, so would be easy enough tobut looking at the device feels like will be getting android over Linux

[warm marsh]

I regret preordering the ACE

[karmic canopy]

Technically not the first handheld he made, so you were on safer ground.

Technically is doing a bit of lifting there, given it was handheld number 2, and the first was a few years ago 😬

[devout sleet]

Well, hot take, but unless I was somehow worried a handheld would be in short supply, I wouldn't preorder even from a bigger brand

Even Anbernic routinely has first batch issues

Did break that rule one time, and got an Arc with light bleed

(though some people said that was a thing for 40x devices, Anbernic just doesn't think it's a problem)

[void garnet]

@devout sleetlikely won't have a preorder they tend do just do a first batch and then release those all at once.

[karmic canopy]

Every other Retroid device has launch hardware issues. 4 pro, Flip, 3....

[devout sleet]

https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/03/05/panthor-open-source-driver-arm-mali-g310-mali-g510-mali-g610-and-mali-g710-gpu-linux-6-10/

RK3588 uses G610, and seems like it will get a new driver in four months. Wouldn't pretend to understand what this means for OpenGL performance, the relevant part for me is:

The current Panthor driver supports OpenGL ES, but work in the Vulkan API has also started and we may get a release by the end of the year.

So yeah, the Vulkan support for RK3588S under Linux is still far away

[void garnet]

I'm pretty sure it will ship with android though. They could also actually build the mali blob driver as well and have vulkan support for linux that way.

[vivid acorn]

Ironically I’m excited about the potential but I probably won’t buy one day 1

Because I think the real support for it will take time

Like I just brought an odroid go ultra cause they figured out how to run the gpu and it slaps

[devout sleet]

If it turns out to be decent under Android, I'd pick it relatively soon

Basically RG556/non-Pro RP4 performance, with a chance of Linux firmware

And I like that the ergonomics and colors of that render more than those two

(well, RG556 reportedly has fine ergonomics, I just hate those color options)

So, assuming they finally release this and don't mess up something major (hello, OGU/Max3Pro), you can't really go wrong. Worst case scenario you'll just have a normal handheld

[void garnet]

Anything done on the RK3588 for video and CPU performance should work on the RK3588S only differences between the the two soc's is I/O connections.

[void garnet]

I'm pretty sure someone has done an emulation video on the OPI 5 for Android Emulation so you may try checking those out to see on performance from those videos. currently the OPI 5/ 5B are using Android 12 and kernel 5.10 so hope they at least stick with this people in the OPI community have been working on getting up to 6.1 and 6.5

[devout sleet]

Yeah, Taki has tested Android performance on RK3588 extensively, but I think it still matters what particular build of Android Orange uses?

[wraith latch]

This gaming handheld has an official name. Orange Pi RG(Retro Gaming)

[dim stirrup]

Is that on their website or social media accounts

[wraith latch]

It will be

[cursive prism]

https://tenor.com/view/when-gif-20190303

[cursive prism]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-is-not-my-thing-dr-elise-pruitt-harlem-i-dont-like-waiting-i-hate-waiting-gif-1937440270253904987

[devout sleet]

Taki's posting from their press conference. That's just the x86 devices though

[vivid acorn]

Should put this in the Neo chat

[near lantern]

Any new information for this? After the press releases

[devout sleet]

Nah, seems like the press conference didn't touch the RG at all

They've said on their discord server they're still working on software for this, but no words on what software it is

[near lantern]

Thanks

[cursive prism]

I've seen some speculation they might be aiming for panthor support which might be around July

[heavy citrus]

Hmm, so they're planning on a purely Linux device?

Otherwise why not just release an android build and Linux for later?

[devout sleet]

My thinking exactly, but it seems like they're doing the x86 one first. Apart from those new images they barely said anything about the RG

Or could be that Android is not effortless either, and they need time for that, too

[vivid acorn]

I think these handhelds are a big endeavors for a company that has historically made single board sbc's for tinkerers. They probably want to launch them right and take the time they need

[dusk walrus]

I truly retired because i can't find the login details to that account anymore.

I still never forgot about the P60

I'll never will will forgot will forget will

[dim stirrup]

Jean-Luc Aufranc (CNXSoft)
December 15, 2024 at 11:05
I’ve also learned Rockchip is not selling the RK3588 directly to SBC vendors and stopped contributing code to the open-source community. The situation allegedly happened because some RK3588(S) SBCs are used in drones used in the military conflict in Ukraine (as reported in social networks a few months ago), and Rockchip doesn’t want to take the risk of being sanctioned.

[exotic path]

well shit

[rain otter]

Another war victim

[void garnet]

Damn That really sucks I was looking forward I guess we have to hope that we can get some better allwinner chips used in this next year of handhelds then . My dream is now gone or try to make a slimer version of the handheld made from the OPI 5 Plus

[fallen depot]

lol this is the last thing I expected to kill this handheld

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