Powkiddy RGB10Max 4

[weak grotto]

Or they hack up their own firmware so they'd probably need to make like 3 or 4 RK3588 handhelds for that to make sense (who needs that)

[forest basin]

The TJD T80 will soon be shipping with an RK3588.

I am sure the scene will rally round those.

They sold 4 units on IGG. Definitely worth supporting

[neat spire]

I need that

3588 4:3 arc pro for Saturn+n64 with a single stick, widescreen dpad top 3588 for psp and portmaster, clamshell mini laptop 3588 for retro PC gaming.

[weak grotto]

Tell them you'll buy 50K units of each and they'll do that

[neat spire]

As long as the mini laptop one uses a 4:3 iPad display and has a trackball I’m very down

Real talk though the psp+portmaster one is the one where the 3588 specifically is most important and we’re getting that from powkiddy

[weak grotto]

I mean, in seriousness, T820 is too close to RK3588

Then again, Anbernic did make an entire H700 line after RK3566 so who knows

If their new generation can be slower than the previous one, why can't it be the same

Also I don't understand the portmaster point because right now 99% portmaster games can run on H700 even though RK3566 and RK3399 are supported. Is there some huge source port that can't run on those?

Unless we start getting like full blown ports for indie PC games using wine/box64 or something

[neat spire]

I expect we'll see 3588-only portmaster titles start appearing as soon as we get a readily available 3588 handheld for them

openMW for example I think should work via portmaster

but would run like dog on anything weaker than the max3pro at minimum

[terse goblet]

GameMT is working on their rk3588 literally right now.

[weak grotto]

Yeah, openMW runs on Android, but I can’t remember how eg T618 handles it

[terse goblet]

they'll probably continue to be the invisible handheld dev after it releases though.

[analog tundra]

Wth is gameMT

[weak grotto]

Meaning? They’ll license it to a bunch of AliExpress brands?

[terse goblet]

exactly my point

[analog tundra]

So

What's your point lol

I don't understand

[neat spire]

broosky got it working on the s922x and it ran 'ok' - the main thing that made it not get released in portmaster was a mix of control issues and it only running 'ok' on one relatively obscure handheld

a popular 3588 or three might lead to someone polishing up the controls and adding it

[terse goblet]

they released the E5 and E6 base and plus models, sold pretty well in the hobbyist market, and are moving up.
check https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1168386197605855313
don't want to derail the thread

[terse goblet]

i don't think sinyorksu makes enough to license and rebrand. he'll probably make enough to turn a profit and them move on

[analog tundra]

I guess I'm not hobbyist enough to have heard of them

[abstract saffron]

Might be for the better

[terse goblet]

I'm still interested in how powkiddy will cool this thing

it's going to get thicker if they smash a fan and spreader inside. they also may find that the battery size may need to go up 1000 or so mah to accomodate cooling

[analog tundra]

Indeed, I think so

[analog tundra]

My guess would be a fan

[abstract saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-gif-21712801

[analog tundra]

My genius is astonishing I know

[terse goblet]

Calten probably knows best since he apparently chats with the designer.

[abstract saffron]

More genius then the KT-R1‘s passively cooled vapor chamber

At least

[terse goblet]

did it even work?

[abstract saffron]

It only had a g99

So it‘s probably sufficient

But that thing had different problems

[analog tundra]

Oh cool, where do I buy one

[abstract saffron]

KT-R1 catching strays

Sry my bad

No off topic from me anymore

[terse goblet]

mmm... spicey pillow waiting to happen

[dense gazelle]

I saw there was updates and was hopeful

😭

[terse goblet]

niluanxy has taken all order options off the site. looks like his whole operation is dead. after A1 unicorn from a rival single-man g99 dev team landed, that was kind of the headshot.

[valid turret]

Yeah, whether via PortMaster or otherwise, the wine / box86 / box64 potential of RK3588 is pretty nice. Not even just for indie games, for running any of the thousands of older Windows titles.

[mint notch]

There are some games that dont run well on 3566 and bellow from classic examples like Doom 3, Half Life 2 to even some badly optimised godot or game maker indie gamed. There is a plenty that never passed testing due to bad performance.

[abstract saffron]

Still hanging on

[terse goblet]

next week(tm)

[analog tundra]

Wait max4 is metal?

[abstract saffron]

Nah that’s from the KTR1 discord

[analog tundra]

Oh

[abstract saffron]

Only jdewitz would have that kind of information

And given the fact that thing has no touchscreen or usb c video out

It means they are doing extreme cost cutting

So a metal is impossible

[analog tundra]

I thought the ktr1 was a scam

[terse goblet]

well... when you have no prior experience or education for making handhelds, and then you just -make one- out of passion with no q/a or testing team... that's the ktr1

[analog tundra]

So yeah a scam

[terse goblet]

is it? people chose to pay for an untested product, quite insanely.

when stubbs livestreamed it, gave it negative feedback for failing on the air, and then got attacked by its fans, that was a moment.

[valid turret]

A product with issues =/= scam

[analog tundra]

I don't believe one should glaze an obviously incomplete device just because it's fan made

But there's plenty of people that will harass others just because they don't like the thing they like

[dense gazelle]

He's making ktr1.1????

Or is it ktr2

[jolly parrot]

Was that really a moment? Or was it just the expected outcome of this kind of “calm before the storm” for a community-hyped device that gets criticism before it’s in consumer hands.

[jolly parrot]

I specify “Community-hyped”, since I unironically think the “made by fans, for fans” shit is exactly what gave it the massive defense against criticism it had before customers actually got it and realizing that it really did suck.

Like, not even stuff like the Odin 2 will ever have as much hype and glazing as what the KT-R1 got before it became available.

[jaunty wren]

It's weird that by the time I discovered the ktr1 and actually ordered it I had no previous knowledge of it and I really enjoyed it and then I started discovering how bad of a launch it had and how people hated it. It's weird how that can happen like I really enjoy mine quite a bit it has no flaws and none of the problems that were mentioned in the videos or early commentary

But I also bought it second hand out of China off of used market and they may have already tweaked it to make it a lot better I don't know

[jolly parrot]

Oh, how long ago was your order? Because if it’s as soon as I would think, you basically just skipped right past all the trash and even got some of the stuff that was “reserved” for the rerelease (since domestic got some extra fixes that international never got).

[dreamy thicket]

don't think it's a vapor chamber, just a recycled copper tube bonked crudely into shape

[forest basin]

Sometimes you just have to hit that pipe.

[lone mantle]

Is this console gonna be android?

oh I just looked at the specs, seems like itll definately be android since it has like 4 gigs of ram which is way more for a linux handheld

[jaunty wren]

March 2024 is when I bought mine. 8gb 256 black d pad bottom for 185 usd

[mint notch]

no android, likely rocknix or older jelos build

[lone mantle]

Ohhh got it

[jaunty wren]

There's videos of a powkiddy os on baidu

[abstract saffron]

That‘s hot looks on the picture yes

[terse goblet]

wait, are they that close to release?

[digital mantle]

they could just start giving Linux handhelds more RAM

it'd be a great help for enabling more portmaster and we could start thinking of apps

[distant iris]

Some portmaster games don't run well on H700

[lime shard]

That depends on what you mean by full blown PC Games. We've already got a pretty solid amount of Indie Games playable on the more Consumer Grade Handhelds.

[lime shard]

Also some developers think using an analog stick for side-scrollers is okay. I'm working on one port were I have to mirror the Analog Stick in order to get the game to be playable on Handhelds without Analog Sticks. Plus the games that basically flip you off when trying to play them on anything outside of X86.

[neat spire]

it's gonna be linux

[lone mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dust-ashes-thanos-gone-avengers-endgame-gif-17205719

[neat spire]

There are a million other android devices in this price tier already lol

It’s a 3588 so somebody will make an android build for it but with no touchscreen it’s not gonna be fun to set up

Linux support is what makes this special vs the rp4

[forest basin]

*Linux support and being a potentially decent device is what makes this special vs the rp4.

*side eyes game force ace

[mint notch]

What makes me sad despite all the issues of Ace, I would really miss the touchscreen and emmc on this

[terse goblet]

if you want an android rk3588, there are at least two other devices being cooked right now

RadXA and GameMT are the only ones that have posted finished designs, so it's more of a waiting game to see which one performs better in hand

[abstract saffron]

One might have questionable QC and a horrendous dpad and the other will probably cost above 200€

[terse goblet]

that dpad is not horrendous. it's better than whatever powkiddy put in the x28/18s/v90, and doesn't hurt your fingers like the TSP microswitch dpad, just to put it on the dpad pecking order.

a game of telephone has transformed it from "eh it could be better" to "worst dpad ever" like the rg556 analogs. Like, you can just break them in and the world won't end.

[iron marsh]

Me: speaks softly to my gameforce ace while stroking its back "dont listen to the haters, I think you are a great device"

[forest basin]

One day the prophecy will be fulfilled. Gao will return to transport all Ace owners that kept the faith to the promised land (of PS2 emulation).

Until then they can have a laugh messing with Linux builds and stuff

[neat spire]

Powkiddy to the rescue for the rest of us

[forest basin]

[stark umbra]

damn, for real? could you name them? im quite curious

[terse goblet]

Odroid go ultra is probably the cheapest full portmaster library handheld atm

entries that were meant only for the rg552 go well with it (ie doom3, Jedi outcast 2, etc.)

[distant iris]

Baldurs gate for one.

[distant iris]

I'll have to check the portmaster list to point out the others. Most portmaster games work fine but some, which should work, don't.

[distant iris]

And also powkiddy rgb10 max3 pro I think

[neat spire]

I don't think those can actually run the full library due to driver issues

better performance but not as wide driver compatibility

the max4 is probably going to be the portmaster handheld imo

well, it and other 3588s handhelds.

[terse goblet]

See if we had even like... An ir blackberry mouse, that would make these infinitely better for ds/3ds/android/desktop-linux and whatnot

[lime shard]

Same Here, plus I have a Heart for Powkiddy, MagicX, and GameMT right now. 😅

@iron marsh Unfortunately there's a divide between the Hobbyist/Enthusiast and Consumer Grade Handhelds.

[terse goblet]

GameMT has that intelligent hobbyist vibe. I'd rather have him than Niluanxy or gao

[dense gazelle]

what happened to him actually

[terse goblet]

literal bankruptcy

the last bastion of the gameforce ace was Ameridroid, who bought an entire pallette of gameforce aces(and sold them!)

(pours venezualan rum into his A&W rootbeer) the problem is gao didn't double check his own work. there were literal shell issues that should have never made it to the final product. two posts were crushing circuits on the PCB if you didn't clip them with wirecutters

[forest basin]

Also, the way he went about it was bad.

These were his final posts on the gameforce discord. It was on April fools day, so everyone assumed it was a bad taste joke, as people were still waiting for refunds/fixes.

[valid turret]

Need to do the S922X-PANFROST build of ROCKNIX from source, then compatibility improves a lot. Emulation performance suffers though due to no Vulkan, so it depends on your priority.

[surreal salmon]

Yeah I tried using the panfrost build for my max 3 pro and have good number of ports running if not all of them.

[terse goblet]

if the rg552 was as cheap as the ogu or the rgb10max3pro, it would be worth having that instead for ports on linux and everything else on android

[modern basin]

and if the battery issue was addressed

[lime shard]

I'm about to message GameMT really soon.

[terse goblet]

Was it ever fixed? Both the rk3399 and 3566 have that same "device dies overnight if the last os you booted to was linux" bug

[modern basin]

More hardware where the dual battery pack thing was just super unreliable

[terse goblet]

Ohhhh....

[iron marsh]

I’ve made several changes to improve battery life on ROCKNIX during sleep for the 552. I only lose about ~10% overnight while asleep. Also I lose no power while the device is powered off. Probably just a uboot big with the stock OS. https://github.com/ROCKNIX/distribution/blob/dev/packages/hardware/quirks/devices/Anbernic RG552/sleep.d/pre/002-freq

[terse goblet]

huh.

[terse goblet]

i guess that might be a decent future purchase then. looks like the native JITARM64 version of dolphin would be worth using if you guys haven't tried it already
https://youtu.be/3k1JhDqMbA0

[terse goblet]

also, looks like 4gb of ram will be more than enough for 6th gen even in bloated desktop linux.

[quick jungle]

oooh

[neat spire]

Why go back to the 3399 when 3588 handhelds are about to be cheaper?

[terse goblet]

Curiosity.

[umbral granite]

So I'm not hallucinating. I was like "I swear standby and power down battery life is way better" while others swear that your battery died in 3 seconds while powered off

[terse goblet]

I think the old problem was just a bad boot config

Just seems like a persistent issue amongst tv box socs built to have literal off switches and not a passive off state

[lime shard]

@iron marsh Imagine if we have an RK3399 Pro Handheld. The Power Consumption would be even better! 🤩

[lime shard]

How so? I wouldn't mind some cheap RK3399 Pro Handhelds.

[neat spire]

I'm betting the max4 will be cheaper than the rg552

[lime shard]

Well that wouldn't be surprising, however the RG552 had a 5:3 Touchscreen which is very hard to source.

Unfortunately nothing beats the 5:3 Touchscreen.

The RG552 needs a proper successor.

[terse goblet]

techy moment here...
freeglut3-dev would put opengl performance up to the level of vulkan, but absolutely no cfw dev will bother with it. i mention it every so often in hopes a cfw dev will go "hmm let me try it out." the community that sustains it has a full arm64 package that compiles from console. you just have to make retroarch play nice with it. ppsspp, drastic, and dolphin all appreciate its performance boost.
https://freeglut.sourceforge.net/

[iron marsh]

Do you have any examples of real world performance and implementation. Info on freeglut is pretty sparse and mostly outdated.

[terse goblet]

i'll set something up on a weak chromebook running linux.

[terse goblet]

https://youtu.be/0q-VGcgG49Y?t=127
glfw - 2:04
freeglut - 6:44

the differences are interesting, but i'd seriously have to run ocean hills 10 or so times on each to see how often and consistent the dips are in the tunnel, the first industries sign, the first leap, and the second industries pass. its really just single-threaded vs. multithreaded.

[iron marsh]

But thats comparing GLFW to Freeglut. GLFW is just another alternative to SDL2. I don't see how that has anything to do with OpenGL performance and getting similar results to Vulkan.

I'll gladly look into GLUT if its worth it but all the research i have found is that its basically a dead project and has been for sometime.

[flat maple]

Do we know what this will look like yet? 🙀

[flat maple]

Oh! Just like the previous model?

[abstract saffron]

Reusing mold to save cost

[flat maple]

Ah Okies, thank ya! 😸

[abstract saffron]

Don’t ask where the intake vent is though

[flat maple]

Through retro magic!

[abstract saffron]

Let’s hope retro magic can cool a rk3588s

[flat maple]

Mmmmm crispy APU 🍲

[neat spire]

that shell is nowhere near airtight enough to need an intake vent, we aren't cooling an rtx4090 here

if you stuck a fan on a little heatsink on top of the cpu pointed out the vent it would manage to pull air in all around the controls, the speaker grilles, etc

my only question is whether we're gonna get that fan or if we're just getting a heat sink and some thermal throttle

[abstract saffron]

Open up your max3 and see if there’s enough room left for one

If there is, surely they’ll do it

I would assume

I hope

[neat spire]

my max3pro was part of the smoke affected room contents so I don't have it anymore 😭

[abstract saffron]

It’s fine, psp emulation is overrated anyways..

[neat spire]

a fan would harm battery life as well as potentially be noisy so I am generally on team passive cooling for retro handhelds but that might be too much to ask for 3588s

[abstract saffron]

Exactly

[slim mango]

if it's a small one like on the CUBE, I see no harm

[weak grotto]

I mean, jdewitz came to the chat in late July and said this is gonna get a release date soon

It's been three weeks in radio silence — would be funny if they saw the feedback about the cooling and were like "right, I knew we forgot something"

[abstract saffron]

Are you really sure? 🤨

[west trail]

Not on my end. Usually they let me release details a week before they announce it. At the time they had 12 units in the office but then launched the v10

[west trail]

I mean I'm sure the cooling will be worked out. I was real specific about what happens if you put an SOC that hot against a lipo battery

[gusty meteor]

I thought it was mentioned that the RGB30MAX3 PRO shell was only temporary?

If they do in fact use that shell I hope they make a black version and ditch the purple buttons.

[neat spire]

I hope they do the max3pro beige with the purple buttons personally

though my second choice would be the dark blue with either purple or black buttons

[weak grotto]

I think jdewitz said several times the max3 pro shell is the only shell they're gonna use

[gusty meteor]

Yeah I am basic, all my handhelds are black but I feel like they would be better to switch up or make addtional colors from what the MAX3 PRO came in.

[gusty meteor]

I don't mind the shell itself so that is fine with me if it ends up being the case. Just hope for different colors and not purple buttons as shown if so.

Although stacked shoulders with analog triggers would be a nice edition given the extra power on hand to be able to get into games that could benefit from it.

[abstract saffron]

The mold will stay but plastic and color will be different

[abstract saffron]

I’d hate it for this handheld on particular

Let them go full pocketable

There will be other 3588s with a stick on top, stacked trigger and Analog triggers

[gusty meteor]

Yeah if they go that route I will still pick one up and I am sure most other companies would do analog triggers so yeah I am sure there will be options.

[slim mango]

I would hate for them to be stacked, but yes Analogue triggers are a big issue... I mean Sony did Analogue face buttons on the PS2... they should be able to figure something out here, right?

[terse goblet]

it should fit in the rgb10max4 case

[neat spire]

oooh

[dense gazelle]

4090 windows handheld when

[neat spire]

we have GPD handhelds with occulink, you can make it happen

[dense gazelle]

Integrated into handheld. Not occulink

We build the handheld in the GPU itself given how big the 4090is

[terse goblet]

At this point I'm just happy to have something that can do xbox 360 and wii-u

[terse goblet]

Glut's dead, but freeglut still gets updates every few months.

Ill find my 4300m box tonight and do a glut vs. Vulkan test.

[haughty plank]

I really want this to be good but the last few powkiddy devices I tried left a lot to be desired. Charging issues, control issues... They'll probably use rocknix for this, yeah?

[cursive vapor]

I mean, using Rocknix is probably an interesting way of saying it. They will rely on the Rocknix devs is more correct to make the device usable 🙂

[haughty plank]

Yeah.... Really hoping your take on the 3588 comes to fruition. That's looking more promising as a product

[cursive vapor]

It probably won’t. Unless Radxa magically start communication. Been so frustrating to deal with them so far. I’m losing patience to be honest with you.

[glacial eagle]

I hope they wont ghost you and do it on their own 😦

[abstract saffron]

nah you're jinxing it

[terse goblet]

this might be the only available rk3588 when it comes out.

[slim mango]

if it comes out, this is sitting here in the rumor mill for a while now

[terse goblet]

anytime someone asks Sinyorksu about the gameMT rk3588, he just leaves chat

[neat spire]

I would not be surprised if there's a decent gap between dev units going out and public sales, and dev units have not gone out as far as I am aware.

they shouldn't repeat the max3pro and sell units before the firmware support is there

[slim mango]

will see, will see, but dev units going out would mean there is progress

[iron marsh]

Dev units??! 👀

https://tenor.com/view/nah-im-just-kidding-jk-joking-just-kidding-haha-gif-14660749

[dense gazelle]

This is just the m3pro

Then shows me 3588 in it

Life is a lie 😭😭😭😭

[mossy cipher]

Dont play with our little linux hearts

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-trouble-spanky-gif-9970011438135193066

[terse goblet]

(goes back to batocera on an x86 handheld)

[west trail]

There are actual units floating around. I suspect there was a delay so they could launch the v10 and refine this while they work on the rgb10x as well. It looks like the next one out will be that, then maybe one of the x line, then this. *edit 20sx is on the way too.

[west trail]

That's a max 3 pro unless it's an earlier one. The units i've seen in blue have gb purple buttons.

[abstract saffron]

What even is the x line? Can’t find much similarities between X28 and X55 aside from their size

[west trail]

Dev units are running Jelos

[west trail]

there's an x35s. It feels pretty good. needs some work. Has emmc onboard for some reason.

the X line is "wtf should we try this?"

[slim mango]

I need an x28 refresh, with retroid sticks, rg556 OLED panel, a waaaay better d-pad and more power

[abstract saffron]

I respect it

[west trail]

one of them is famously "who the fuck designed this, it wasnt me"

[slim mango]

x28 is pretty rad for "wtf should we try this?"

at least the design of the device, the execution needs some work

[west trail]

dude i love the x28

but me being me, i get the shit panels

so mine has some burn in and vignetting but i still love it

[slim mango]

same, but unfortunately it's powkiddy we are talking about, so aside from the hardware shortcomings, the software is also a mess

not that the slight hope for GammaOS isn't still there

[west trail]

i mean i know people think im a shill or a fanboy but this is accurate

Yeah i made sure he got one but i think there's something with the way they did the storage that makes gamma a challenge. he may have also lost interest. dunno

I started with them with the A20 but decided to not release any updates for it because it requires you to completely flash over the emmc

with no rescue

krescue boots but you can't do anything because there's no dts that builds properly where you can use the usb on pice

a lot of thier devices are cobbled together

that doesn't make them bad though.

[abstract saffron]

The shell and screen were nice

[west trail]

Retroid did sooooo much optimizing on their t618 builds too. PK's was limited

[slim mango]

he fiddled with the sticks before going on vacation, but unfortunately this will need some more involved fix
#890864479657685003 message

[slim mango]

still would love to see the rg556 panel in the x28 shell

heck, can't they partner up with Anbernic

t820 is fine

[west trail]

I might try to suggest t820 but i dont know what agreement they have with unisoxc

unisoic*

[slim mango]

t820 is an Unisoc chip

[abstract saffron]

Let’s not forget they had the first T618 release

[slim mango]

Unisoc Tanggula T820 to be precise

[west trail]

Yes... I'm aware of that

I don't know what agreement they have with unisoc

[slim mango]

not that I really care about what kinda chip they use as long as it has enough power, tho I honestly would want an x28 with RP4P levels of power instead of the base model

the t820 was more a suggestion of them partnering up with Anbernic to make this good

[west trail]

it would probably be more likly to use mediatek

i dont think they feel like the x28 was good enough

it did well in china though

you see kids playing them on the bus and stuff

[slim mango]

the shell is nearly perfect tho

[west trail]

free fire or some shit runs well

[slim mango]

only gripe I have with it is the sharp edge by the triggers

[slim mango]

sounds like good enough of a reason to do an x29

[west trail]

gtg for now but this conversation is always interesting

[terse goblet]

I miss the x18s. It just needed -better face button and dpad rubber-

Calten and I went back and forth about it since he apparently chats with the engineer, but instead it got canceled

[sage harness]

I'm planning to work on the x28 properly again

Other devices first, saving the worst for last.

Main issue was wonky touchscreen/hdmi/ram speed

Sticks are more or less done
https://x.com/TheGammaSqueeze/status/1822383320208166983

Gamma (@TheGammaSqueeze) on X

Final x28 update for tonight.

Twitter · Aug 10, 2024, 9:23 PM

[turbid mortar]

This is probably gonna sound really stupid, but please tell me if I've got this right or not:
-the stick fix doesn't quite work atm with stock sticks because limited range, will need GammaOS for calibration
-if you swap in hall sticks, the fix works just fine now even before GammaOS

[sage harness]

The fix works well with stock sticks in terms of range as this is what the fix is calibrated on.

The stock sticks however still have a degree of snapping.

If this bothers you, you can swap to hall effect sticks which removes this completely. But then you uncover another issue specifically with the powkiddy stick implementation, the sticks don't reach the corners and motion is circular.

GammaOS will allow those sticks to be calibrated at the OS level to reach the edges.

[turbid mortar]

Oh okay, got it. I guess I had it reversed basically.

[sage harness]

Its not perfect, there seems to be some false inputs on the sticks sometimes, which might be able to be filtered out

[dense gazelle]

I need a new device......release it already!!!!

[frozen sluice]

I’m going back in time and buying ones I missed while I wait.

[slim mango]

I feel ya, really mad that Anbernic still hasn't shown us the 406

[neat spire]

its going to be for sale in less than a month

have some patience

they'll give more deets before the RP mini preorders open out of spite

[slim mango]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-jon-lithgow-reunion-waiting-gif-9683398

[analog tundra]

Source? 🤨

[slim mango]

no source, but they literally teased the rg406v to be the next device

or at least that's their intention to combat the RP Mini/5

could very well throw in the rgCUBEXX still, because I doubt Retroid will be as fast as Anbernic in throwing devices at the market

[analog tundra]

Source: trust me bro

[slim mango]

btw you really need to stop changing your profile picture/color

[terse goblet]

Just some mildly rabid consumerism going on.

[neat spire]

Better than moderately rabid

[dense gazelle]

Have fun. Meanwhile I'll continue to whinge

[terse goblet]

That would be the rp3 for me, since I discovered that some dude in new jersey has a full stash of every color for 70usd with free shipping

[slim mango]

what else are we supposed to do, save money?

[dense gazelle]

but does not play psp properly (aspect ratio)

[slim mango]

why would one care much about PSP?

also pretty sure we all have at least one PSP capable 16:9 device by now

[dense gazelle]

yes, but its held back by something everytime (at least for me)

Odin/Odin2/Mini - 4x Res but Dpad on bot
M3P - Buggy, constant crashes out (at least for me), Sticks too sensitive
Max1,2 - cant play psp well
Max3 - not full catalog
RG505 - Android/latency
RP3+/RP4 - Android (also too me too thin and the grip case sucks, why cant it be like the Phat psp)
OG psps - Screen sucks
Vita - Muddy, no upscale

[slim mango]

isn't Vita literally 2x upscale for PSP?

and whats a M3P?

and well, Android can hardly be avoided

[dense gazelle]

M3 pro.
Vita doesnt let you upscale

[slim mango]

yeah no clue what a M3 Pro is

[dense gazelle]

max 3 pro powkiddy

[slim mango]

now I feel stupid, given the channel we are in

[flat ivy]

its 2x integer scale. integer scale isnt upscaling

[slim mango]

thought the PSVita could do it when modded

[terse goblet]

Android is bad because of like 10-20ms of latency in a handfull of games you probably don't play? Okay buddy. Time to touch grass and get out of your armchair

this seems like more of a "why you refuse to play psp" list than a "why these devices are bad" list specifically when you mention original hardware is bad

[terse goblet]

Og ps vita has an anti aliasing mode that makes things look better.

[neat spire]

Even if you accept android there’s still nothing that’s as pocketable as a real psp while being a good device for psp

Everything is either bigger than a psp or sucks at psp

[dense gazelle]

dudes just hating on me coz i have very specific needs for psp

also, love the fact that the part where i said "at least me" is clearly missed

Also i play platformers all the time, latency is an issue for me. again i say FOR ME.

[terse goblet]

Oh don't take it hard lad. We're like that with everyone

if you want no latency and 2-3x res, get a laptop and decent wired controller

[balmy wren]

we?

I respect you dude, but you've been kinda rude to other peeps lately

[terse goblet]

This is a society after all. Sorry for the blunt edge.

[balmy wren]

all good, just be mindful is all I want to say

those reacts don't help

[terse goblet]

the problem is we have people here that are so new to emulation, they dont even know what a bios is, and all it takes is one teensy tiny push like "all devices are bad at psp" to start some massive mind virus going.

so while I don't like being mean, its sort of a swat to the fly, innit

[dense gazelle]

there's a difference between saying a device is bad for psp and a device is NOT for me for psp.

[terse goblet]

But you made a whole bloody list, didn't you?

[dense gazelle]

it was a discussion i was having

of why i think there isnt one for me (its even in the start of the list)

it was not a list of avoid these

[terse goblet]

Again, no hard feelings toward you. Its your needs on the table.

you probably would be perfectly happy with like... A gpd win2

[dense gazelle]

if someone asks me right now what do i recommend for psp, depending on budget, i'd tell them rp4 or odin1 without a question

just coz its not for me, does not mean i dont see merit in the devices. its only coz im much more senstive to latency than most. and im not most.

as much as i like to be most

[terse goblet]

And that's respectible.

[slim mango]

don't lie, being mean is fun

[terse goblet]

You said it, not me lol

it -could- be worse. It could be 'omg you hate the psp1000??? Lets hook up right now, queen'

[slim mango]

https://tenor.com/view/restraining-kyle-broflovski-south-park-season1ep10mr-hankey-the-christmas-poo-come-with-us-gif-19508128

[terse goblet]

God I wish I was him

Anyways, I wonder if the rgb10max4 will have active cooling

[distant iris]

oh well, here at least its not toxic like reddit

[young python]

rk3588 requires a fan

[bronze wolf]

i‘m a huge fan

[lunar minnow]

turbo fan

[neat spire]

how high up can you emulate on it before you have to turn that fan on?

fan + 5th gen = sad, fan + 6th gen = expected

[finite mauve]

The ACE was pretty warm in general

[neat spire]

yeah I just hope I don't have to run the fan to play PSP on this.

[terse goblet]

The ogu got pretty warm too. It has no real thermal governor, so if you don't tell it in a bios Or uboot script(lol if/then statements) to throttle at specific temperetures, it will fry without the heatsink

[robust robin]

Will we get this OR another 3326 handheld from Pow?

[abstract saffron]

rgb10x will be first

#1097476284990378044 message

[robust robin]

Why Kiddy why?

[night knoll]

Because!

[bronze wolf]

i knew it was you in here 😄

[lunar minnow]

[modern basin]

to sell it for dirt cheap and it already having very well established CFWs

like they're selling the V10 and RGB10X for half of what the 3326 handhelds went for when it was the latest hotness

[haughty plank]

The new rp5 has Linux support! Are we still excited about the RGB 10 Max 4?

[abstract saffron]

It’s in a different price segment and is way more pocketable

So yes

[bronze wolf]

well it certainly shakes up the available options

from my perspective it’s good to have many choices

although i must say i‘m more interested in the rp5 now rather than the rgb10 max 4, but i am also fine with paying the extra bucks for the upgrade. whatever that means - we can’t really tell until we get the prices.

[haughty plank]

Yeah I'm a bit of a minimalist -i try to have as few overlaps as possible.

[surreal salmon]

is there any benchmarks or emulation perforamance of Snapdragon 865 with linux on it on youtube? can’t find any

[mint notch]

Because there are none

[neat spire]

yeah, RP mini + max4 seems like a good combo for me

I will say the rp mini being able to run linux does take a bit of the hype out of this guy, but in the end I still want this for psp and widescreen portmaster in my pocket so...

[dense gazelle]

You can do it with the rp5

Now

[neat spire]

yeah I don't want an RP5

too big to be pocketable and yet they didn't bother making it wide enough to inset the sticks like on the mini

[dense gazelle]

Wait what? Isn't it about the same size as the max4

[neat spire]

183mm long for the max4, 199 for the rp5. Fully recessed sticks and inline shoulders on a flat slab vs ergo bumps, protruding triggers, and protruding sticks

[dense gazelle]

But OLED, dpad on top and 4x psp!!!!!!

[neat spire]

I’m probably getting the mini, and definitely can’t justify both

Maybe if the 5 is only $10 more than the mini I’ll have to re-evaluate

[dense gazelle]

but you wouldnt take the 5 and the max4

they cover the same thing

especially ig RP5 has linux

[slim mango]

will the new Retroids really run Linux?

[wet prism]

I mean we got linux devs are opening to work with retroid

Including batocera team even is opening to work with retroid but its up to retroid

[cursive vapor]

Apparently it’s a really old ass kernel. Like 5.7 which is ancient lol. The main appeal of a Linux device for me is mainline support so if it doesn’t have that… might be a pass…

[iron marsh]

The SD865 has been upstreamed for a while now. Including things like dsi and audio. Shouldn’t be too hard to get the device running on the latest stable.

[cursive vapor]

Ah nice. The power of a huge corporation 🙂

[neat spire]

Correct. But as is I’d rather have the mini and the max4 over the 406v and the rp5 for example

(All dpad top devices! 🥳)

[terse goblet]

so.... does ubuntu run on sd865 then? my oldest laptop runs on linux 5.17 and 2400g box won't go any higher than 5.15.
5.7 is better than nothing

you can still get wine, x86 translation, and other stuff running

[modern basin]

Fallout 4 on the RP5 time

[neat spire]

10 glorious frames every second

[modern basin]

I could probably play and enjoy it

[neat spire]

I’ll stick to my ally X for that one

[terse goblet]

as long as it plays 7th-gen/directx9 stuff, we're set.

fallout new vegas with -all the mods-

[dense gazelle]

Is this confirmation of rocknix support on the rp5.......?

[iron marsh]

If they send us dev units and kernel sources then most likely yes.

[dense gazelle]

.......

We're doomed

Highly doubtful retroid will provide source 😭

Hello max4 my old friend

[iron marsh]

i think they said the would

[dense gazelle]

Ive come to speak with you here again

Unfortunately I don't trust businesses 😢

I'll believe it when I get news on it

[neat spire]

yeah they're literally gonna pull request the needed stuff into batocera

so the sources should be in the batocera github

[jolly parrot]

…I just saw this, how the hell did you predict the Early Bird?

[dense gazelle]

@neat spire back on the max4 hype. Rp5 too expensive 😭

[fair oyster]

the sd865 is in a much better state in terms of GPU drivers, given that all other issues can be resolved you do get more for the money

that said I am still very much interested in the max 4 🙂

[frozen sluice]

I’m interested still, retroid changed the orange colour so it’s a no buy for me. Love me some POWKIDDY!

[west trail]

Not caught up on the discussion but for the max 4, I'm working on getting those sources and complete build

[dense gazelle]

Just confirming the 865 is also stronger than the 3588?

[mint notch]

3588 is somewhere between 845-855

[fair oyster]

CPU is a tad faster, GPU is like 3x better or something like that

[cursive vapor]

Damn lol

Rip rk3588

[iron marsh]

I would imagine that this powkiddy device is only going to be about $150, so it would still be competitive for 25% less the cost.

[digital mantle]

It's also yet to be seen if there will be Linux distros that will actually be able to make use of that extra GPU performance

[slim mango]

$150 would make it pretty steep $180 in the EU, kinda hope they can cut it for $125, given how it doesn't have a touch screen and all

[iron marsh]

I doub they could sell it for much less. The tray price of the rk3588s is like $40

Maybe $140ish

[slim mango]

would be more than their current flagship x28

which arguably is outdated as fuck by now

but the rgb10max4 has to be priced reasonably to compete against similar priced android devices IMO

[neat spire]

it's a weird market for sure

[slim mango]

at $140ish people will probably rather pick up a rp4 (base) or one of the 006 Anbernics

[neat spire]

powkiddy is obviously trying to get this as cheap as they can by reusing the max3pro shell, no touch, no m.2 slot, etc rather than going the gameforce ace approach

[slim mango]

yeah, it would be best if this could just replace the rgb10max3 for like the same price

can't really argue that their current line-up is outdated and overpriced after all

[neat spire]

I think if you don't care about using a locked down unisoc/mediatek hellscape android device this is not gonna be the device for you

the only real competition with the max4 will be the RP mini and RP5 and this will definitely be significantly cheaper than those lol

[slim mango]

fair enough, but lets be real here, we are the loonies that want the dedicated cfw high-end linux device, the market as a whole doesn't gives a fuck

[abstract saffron]

50 bucks less

[neat spire]

I don't think the max4 is meant to be a mainstream tiktok sensation

[abstract saffron]

Yes they want Android 10 instead 🔥🔥

[slim mango]

oldest Android version any of my retro handhelds has is 11 tho

[abstract saffron]

That means you won’t get the rp5?

[slim mango]

yeah I'm aware, gave them shit on the retroid server earlier

nope, gotta skip that thing and wait for the rp5+ or 6 whatever they gotta name it

[abstract saffron]

6

I might just sell my 5 and get the 6

Since I also sold my 4pro to get the 5

[slim mango]

seems like a hassle

[abstract saffron]

I don’t know selling my 4pro went well

Friendly buyer and I was able to reuse retroid parcel

[slim mango]

don't like to sell stuff if I don't have to

[abstract saffron]

I might keep my rp5 if the rp6 has a stick up top

[slim mango]

doubt retroid will do that

[abstract saffron]

I don’t wanna have too much devices at home / too much devices overlapping

[abstract saffron]

Sure

[slim mango]

I kinda wish Powkiddy would finally do an x29 with the 5.5" OLED panel

[abstract saffron]

I’ll just make a decision at that time

[abstract saffron]

Jdewitz said they do another X modell after the Max4

So maybe? 🤔

[neat spire]

I'm hoping they do an x18s successor

[slim mango]

depends really on how they price it, if I can get my hands on it for 150~180 bucks and it has at least t820 power it may be worth it

not really in on the form factor of the rg556 nor the price point of the rp5 tho

[neat spire]

I'd love a 5.5" oled clamshell, whether that's retroid eventually doing a flip version of the RP5 or anbernic making a 556SP, or powkiddy making an x18s successor

I just want it to be flat and pocketable

[slim mango]

the will probably fuck it up tho

best one so far was the retroid pocket flip, wasn't it?

and that was already kinda meh

[quick jungle]

as it turns out making clamshell handhelds is hard

[neat spire]

the x18s had bad controls but the hinge was solid

and the shell shape is exactly what I want in terms of being flat and not bumpy in my pocket

powkiddy can definitely do better controls, as they have in some devices

[slim mango]

flip kinda looked better, but I had neither of them, so idk

[neat spire]

the flip had weird lumps and looked like it was stung by a bee, the screen was not amazing, and the hinges were bad

[turbid mortar]

RP5 is going to be around $235 shipped (at least for US) after pre-order period ends, while Powkiddy never charges for shipping and has a $10 off coupon on their site that always works for anything over $100. The price gap could be pretty big.

[slim mango]

19% vat makes the gap even wider

taxes

[quick jungle]

yeah im not looking forward to seeing how much this'll be for us uk and euro folks

[terse goblet]

Rp5 and rgb10max4 are on the same performance plateau due to ram. It could use TV box android

[steel solar]

X18S RGB MAX PRO ULTRA v2, when? Amirite?

[terse goblet]

X18s had sharp, stabby corners and shoulder buttons with flacid face buttons. It didn't know if you needed tough hands or fragile hands.

[jolly parrot]

Don’t see where this thing will be a guaranteed $150 or less when their current most powerful Device is the X28, which is going for $130 with a T618.

[slim mango]

well, all t618 go for around $130 still

just because it's outdated, the chip ain't suddenly dropping in price

[jolly parrot]

Exactly, and the only company selling a device with a stronger chipset for around $150 is the RP4 Base Model.

[slim mango]

Anbernic 006 line tho

[jolly parrot]

You mean the devices that go for around $165 at a minimum with Anbernic deals (or maybe $160 if you go for AliExpress Choice day)?

[slim mango]

rgCUBE was $150 at first on ggg

and yeah the rg556 is a tad more expensive

also rp4 base is +16$ shipping so $165 really

[jolly parrot]

Yeah, and the first batch was certainly a “fun” experience that Retroid could never give me.

[jolly parrot]

If you wanna count shipping then the RG Cube and RG556 both get an extra $15 unless you find an AliExpress listing that does free shipping.

[slim mango]

the first batch on ggg was already the 2nd batch off Anbernics production line tho

and mine turned out to be pristine sooo lucky

but yeah, now it's like $160

or even $165 idk

[jolly parrot]

So were the EBay listing considering how long it took those to get shipped.

[jolly parrot]

$170.

[jolly parrot]

https://anbernic.com/products/rg-cube?srsltid=AfmBOor7-lvsDooxWtm9YsjqsHOdvf4zJmP3aj0oJeo-SFZEUV6Qhaxk

[slim mango]

was more talking about the price on ggg, prices on anbernics own website were always stupid

[abstract saffron]

162 shipped on a site that turns on your unit and checks for light bleed

[abstract saffron]

Around base rp4-ish sound realistic I guess

[slim mango]

I still hope for them to do it a tad cheaper given the fact that this lacks a few features compared to the Android competition

but yeah not much we can do if it is $150

[abstract saffron]

Yes the $120 T618s at least had touchscreens and better built quality

[jolly parrot]

Yup, and meanwhile the Max3 Pro sold for a similar price while being…the way it was.

[terse goblet]

i wish retroid would have at least attempted to use a normal hinge for the RP Flip instead of trying to do some autocad tomfoolery to get around acknowledging the tensile strength of plastic vs. metal

that would have normalized clamshells in the market

[crude aurora]

seems like a lot of people are loving the 35xxsp, there's a chance

[slim mango]

that's pure GBA SP nostalgia, not love for clams

[digital mantle]

I have zero nostalgia for nintendo handhelds and I got it.

[balmy wren]

this you? #🤷│what-do-i-buy message

[slim mango]

[balmy wren]

powkiddy really should be making clamshells again. if nothing else at least they got the hinges right

[quick jungle]

just shame about everything else 😦

[digital mantle]

Honestly I'd say Powkiddy quality gets overly criticized whereas other brands are hailed a bit too much.

[frozen sluice]

I agree with this entirely. I use to buy mostly just anbernic because I was fed information on the internet that powkiddy was cheap rubbish. Then I got sort of sick of anbernic around the time they brought out the XX 2014 model. So I bought a my first powkiddy device the Rgb30 I was shocked how good it was. It still had some flaws but all consoles do. I haven’t looked back, I don’t buy anbernic anymore and I buy most powkiddy products day one.

[haughty plank]

The thing that drives me crazy about powkiddy devices is software - the fact that they don't even try to make their own software is bonkers to me. Charging/battery issues also made me sell my rgb30 and x55

[terse goblet]

people decided collectively that powkiddy wasn't good enough and it became a sort of social acceptance thing to just be mean towards their devices and demographic. Powkiddy isn't alone though. there's general hostility towards people like niluanxy, sinyorksu, r36s guy, and whatnot

[tawny steeple]

yeah powkiddy does make like
slop handhelds sometimes but they fucking TRY so hard

they did the 1:1 screen before anyone else and ppl loved it

[terse goblet]

i do like powkiddy's screenmapping. seems to be the same as gpd's

[whole briar]

not really

[flat ivy]

powkiddy is very inconsistent, they dont have as much of their own feel or consistent parts or reliable quality. some of their devices are actually very good but with new devices you dont really know which powkiddy you're gonna get. they use different dpads, drastically different form factors, different plastics even on their different devices

whereas anbernic and at least more recent retroid have more consistency in terms of parts and feel and design language

[glacial eagle]

My late rgb30 and rk2023 disagree with you xD

[cursive vapor]

I feel like Retroid with the 5 have completely gone away from any design language lol

Looks like any other Aya product now (not that that’s a bad thing)

[tawny steeple]

yeah

[frozen sluice]

Why make software when arkOS is available on most of there devices? Who would use powkiddy software when arkOS, Rocknix or JelOS is available 😂

[weak grotto]

Well, tbh I never heard about RK3566 charging issues until Powkiddy started using that chip. Now RK3566 is somehow notorious for this just in general

[terse goblet]

rg353v and vs both had the same battery drain issues before powkiddy really inherited them.

with the V you could sidestep that by just not using linux.(lol)

[haughty plank]

In that way, you're dependent on someone else to actually make your devices functional. You have no identity or direction you're going with the machine - you just put stuff out there with no real plan on future support. It's not a good business model

[frozen sluice]

I’m afraid this won’t change. This is what it is. They don’t make money on the software they make money on the hardware.

They don’t have games to sell to make money consistently, this is why we see the cadence of releases. It’s to keep themselves relevant in a market that is swelling at the seams.

[haughty plank]

shrug other companies seem to be able to

[frozen sluice]

This is the future until there is so many devices that and handheld market collapses or the big 3 step in and try and shut it down.

[frozen sluice]

No one uses stock OS, they are all rubbish compared to the ones the community makes. Powkiddy knows this that’s why they use them.

This is an endless conversation, if you use stock OS you just play them casually and don’t care about getting the most of the device. All devices run better with CFW period.

[haughty plank]

Nah, lots of people use stock and they're continuously upgraded

Oh hey I got to level 10!

[frozen sluice]

I have owned 100’s of these devices over the last 3-4 years and I’ve yet to find a stock OS that is better than a CFW. Powkiddy know this and don’t waste there time and money on it. That’s one of the reasons they can sell there handhelds for a cheaper price.

[slim mango]

they still should have a basic stock OS that works properly

[haughty plank]

So I'll give one example just to show my point. The 35xxsp stock has been the software that introduces features that the cfw devs take and improve to make it even better.

[slim mango]

at the end of the day there are also many people who aren't as deep into the rabbit hole as we are, who will use the stock OS after all

[haughty plank]

Without the stock upgrades, development of cfw would be slower

[frozen sluice]

No point, others do it for them. That means the end price is cheaper.

[slim mango]

powkiddys stuff ain't realler cheaper than Anbernic anyway, so why this excuse?

[frozen sluice]

We are not going to agree so we will stop the conversation here. They have arkOS at the moment which is the best CFW by a long way IMO. There is no point making their own if they can use that.

[haughty plank]

I like arkos for everything except portmaster. I couldn't get SOH to run full speed so I switched to rocknix

[neat spire]

In Europe maybe not, everywhere else they 100% are

[haughty plank]

Ultimately ended up switching away from the 3566 devices to the h700

[neat spire]

Powkiddy is cheaper, has coupons, and free shipping so for North Americans powkiddy devices are usually 60-70% the price of an equivalent anbernic

[haughty plank]

Yeah that was not good

They still ship that way?

Anyways, was planning on getting this device but for $50(?) more, I think I'm going with the rp5

[neat spire]

Their “in house OS” steals a LOT of GPL licensed code

I’ll take what powkiddy is doing with firmware (just using cfw) over what anbernic does (picks random chips with no dev support, ships them with a closed source OS filled with stolen code) any day

[haughty plank]

Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree on this one - I'd rather a company that supports their devices. I got burned on the gameforce ace debacle

[neat spire]

If you want a company that properly supports their devices without stealing code that would be the ideal but that’s basically just the x86 handhelds

Maybe the new retroid if they share android sources as well as their batocera pulls but they never have before

[haughty plank]

Yeah as someone who doesn't have all of his original cartridges, I don't have a leg to stand on

[neat spire]

Abandonware corporate video games from the 90s and currently maintained gpl licensed code might both technically be protected by copyright law but ethically they are not that similar

[quick jungle]

ah the gameforce ace was a fun clusterfuck

[haughty plank]

Again, gonna have to agree to disagree. If there's an outlet for these to be sold ie NSO, it should be fair game for the companies to sell them

[neat spire]

I’m not saying they can’t sell them, and I’d even buy them if they were available in a proper format I could run on hardware on my choosing like these retro handhelds

Just saying stealing gpl licensed code is way worse than downloading a snes rom

One is breaking copyright used as corporate rent seeking, the other is breaking an already very permissive form of copyright specifically meant to make the world a better place.

They’re even allowed to use the code as long as they share their source code under GPL

It being that easy and them still just stealing it is extra slimy

[jolly parrot]

Sure but they never have done something like that to begin with. They’ve literally always done Android, so it’s not like they’ve been stealing from Jelos/arkos/etc to use as their closed source “official firmware” like Anbernic/Powkiddy/etc have done.

[haughty plank]

Bad, badder, worse, worst.

[neat spire]

Android is also governed by the gpl at least for the kernel though

[jolly parrot]

So there’s really no precedent for Retroid doing it, just as much as there isn’t precedence for them not doing so. It’s literally just gonna be “wait and see”.

[neat spire]

The “correct” way to make an android retro handheld would be a lineage fork with sharing your changes like we’re supposed to see someday from orangepi lol

This whole space is very WIP

[jolly parrot]

Yes, and they need to use the officially licensed Android firmware the chip provider gives them, them only being allowed to modify it to work better for the device. It’s why they had to get Qualcomm to do a custom request for the Android 13 firmware.

[neat spire]

Nobody is really doing it “right” but some are closer than others

And yes, some chip manufacturers themselves break gpl in a way that debatably “causes” downhill gpl violations (that those OEMs are still agreeing to commit) like from unisoc and mediatek

It’s a real clown fiesta all the way down

[jolly parrot]

Exactly, so we once again don’t have precedence for Retroid themselves breaking GPL for firmware. Once again, there’s no precedence for either side of the argument, so we just have to wait and see what happens.

[haughty plank]

Heh, doesn't the Catholic Church have some very definite ideas about sin, pope? Wrong is wrong, no?

[neat spire]

They have broken gpl on every android rom they’ve ever shipped

But yes, it is a complicated thing to fix

So most people including myself give them more slack than we give anbernic who could fix their issues on their linux handhelds very easily with a single git repo

[neat spire]

My user is a reference to pope Leo III, the one who crowned Charlemagne emperor in 800AD, I am not catholic

[haughty plank]

Hah, dude, I don't really care

Just making fun

Honestly, I think intellectual property is the right of the creator. If he decides to only release it on a platform that gives him a financial advantage, that's his right. Just because it's not available for my handheld doesn't give me the right to pirate it. So, like I said, I don't have a leg to stand on.

[neat spire]

That’s fine if that’s your personal morality

I just think you’ll find a lot of people in the emulation scene like me that are very pro FOSS despite being middling to negative on corporate IP rights because that’s what this entire scene is built on

And that isn’t contradictory

[jolly parrot]

Yeah, I’m not so much giving them slack as much as I’m just recognizing that them actively advertising open sourced Linux kernels, as well as officially promising that they’ll follow Batocera’s GPL licensing (specifically by giving all their work to mainline Batocera when they’re Batocera build is publicly available), they kind of have to do this if they don’t want to look really bad for going against that advertising.

[neat spire]

Oh yeah 100%

What retroid is doing now is exciting and a huge step in the right direction

[crude aurora]

is this another switch emulation morality talk

[jolly parrot]

So I’m understanding that they do have to be taking this seriously as they’re official statements, and I’m mostly giving them slack in recognizing they probably are in fact taking it seriously.

[neat spire]

Just didn’t want to imply that none of this was relevant to android because it is, android just has a lot more bad actors in that space so the bar is low

[neat spire]

No

[crude aurora]

ah, I read the personal morality part and assumed

[jolly parrot]

It’s GPL licensing talk.

[neat spire]

My hot take on switch that will make 90% of people mad is that I am never going to buy locked down hardware like a switch or software locked to specific hardware like switch games, but also I don’t personally find it worth emulating while it’s still a current console (moving target) so it’s a library I’ll enjoy a lot in 2028 or later lol

[crude aurora]

2025, switch 2 is coming real soon

[neat spire]

Yeah but for mature emulators that are polished etc and to actually see the benefits of no more bios updates etc will take time

[crude aurora]

though ofc nintendo is still gonna be sellings switches while the switch 2 is in its first couple years

I'd suspect the switch is dead 2026 2027 maybe

[neat spire]

Like 3ds is just getting to the point where I’d bother to run an emulator now but the dual screen thing is a PITA

[digital mantle]

If you let the dual screen stop you from emulating it, you are letting Nintendo win.

[crude aurora]

eh like 70% of the 3ds games only use the touch screen for like menus so if you're on pc or a phone or something you can have it real small off to the side

[neat spire]

So whatever year makes switch equivalent to 3ds in 2024 is when I’ll jump in

For now I have barely explored ps2/GC era games since I stopped being a console gamer after the n64 and ps1

[crude aurora]

ds games I understand, a lot of ds games are very centered around that touch screen

but the 3ds has most of its games where you can play just fine with no 2nd screen

[neat spire]

So no rush in getting to switch emu at my house

We are eating absurdly good when even just the psp library alone is a lifetime of games

[crude aurora]

other than like kid icarus uprising

[neat spire]

Obviously I wouldn’t be in this hobby if I wasn’t also a hardware enthusiast (I’d just be using an 8bitdo and a thinkpad lol) but if all you cared about was games an rp3+ with nothing on it but ppsspp would keep you busy for at least a decade

[dense gazelle]

Holding strong for this

[half sinew]

Maybe Powkiddy should just slap the 3588 and a fan on the RGB30 and call it a Pro. The alternatives were letdowns anyway.

[dense gazelle]

@neat spire the m3pro is closest in overall size to og phat psp right?

I no longer have both so I can't compare

[terse goblet]

Powkiddy hasn't shown us anything yet.

Just a colored shell and a 'calm down, it'll have a fan. Trust us'

[dense gazelle]

release date when

tempted to tag dewit

[mint notch]

im pretty sure if he gets that info he will write it here ASAP

so no use in tagging him

[abstract saffron]

RGB10X just launched so I wouldn’t expect anything right now

[grand pasture]

I dont even consider android and windows a basic stock os that works properly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dense gazelle]

Did it?

[abstract saffron]

https://powkiddy.com/de-de/products/pre-sale-powkiddy-rgb10x-handheld-game-console?srsltid=AfmBOorAth2W2OONY4Q-_4VTWr3wFf14SJHlGfZDEQ27oMlhycE1TT0v

Kinda

[dense gazelle]

Specs...?

[abstract saffron]

RK3326 Rest should be on the website

It’s pretty much a 4:3 V10

Might have the same dpad

[dense gazelle]

It gives me the rk2020 vibes

[terse goblet]

40 dollars. HUH

as good as that is, you can't play monster hunter, god eater, white knight chronicles, phantasy star, Lord of Apocalypse, or any other twinstick psp game without defaulting to "hit R1 to face the direction you're running" gameplay

[tawny steeple]

wtf is this shit i cant play ps2 games

[frozen sluice]

Thank you for your useful input.

[jolly parrot]

It’s also got the single switch stick, which will actually be helpful in stuff like the ArkOS Mario 64 port, which would otherwise require some absolute nonsense to bind the controls to the D-Pad.

[abstract saffron]

The only reason why I care about the X10 is because jdewitz said that the max4 will probably release next after this gets shipped

[distant iris]

any idea about the specs on the max 4?

[weak grotto]

#1097476284990378044 message

[errant quail]

Are the 3588 and the 3588s different chips?

[weak grotto]

Same performance

[jaunty wren]

S drops some things it would be more specific to a cell phone to save on energy

[errant quail]

Nice

[west trail]

I got an update on how many production units exist the other day. I think this one might be a while but it's definitely coming. I just don't know when and why it's delayed. I asked them to make sure they sent dev units at least a month ahead

so if they go out, im going to assume a couple weeks

[abstract saffron]

All good

Thanks for the update

[dense gazelle]

Back on hype train for this

F the rp5

[abstract saffron]

Huh

[tawny steeple]

[dense gazelle]

Don't mind me in just jumping between this device and the rp5. Give me 3 hours and I'll re-preorder the rp5

[terse goblet]

this device is still mist right now. it hasn't even come to a functional form yet. aka they're figuring out how to not spend a ton of money to keep it from melting down, while also using the rgb10max3pro's shell.

[frozen sluice]

I don’t think so, I think they are waiting for the RPM&5 noise to go down then they will make a move. RPM&5 looks to be a fingerprint playground, so I’m a wait and see.

[raw furnace]

Hoping they consider a version with more ram. This chip can also play GC,Ps2 and 3DS

[errant quail]

If it comes out with 4Gb, would a DIY upgrade be possible or it is too much of a hassle?

[dense gazelle]

release date when

[finite mauve]

Postponed a month every time someone asks

Or right after the miyoo flip.

lol

[uncut lance]

There is still the rgb20 pro, maybe this is after that?

[raw furnace]

These devices have soldered ram, so a manual upgrade wouldn't be easy.

[abstract saffron]

https://fxtwitter.com/stonededgemods/status/1836449589467218354?s=46

[tawny steeple]

how

what

[abstract saffron]

Drivers

[tawny steeple]

oh shit right

god dont tell me linux is good wtf /s

[night knoll]

Well the 3588 is supposed to be pretty high tier. It definitely gets hot it seems though.

Drivers seem to be better now, that's good.

[uncut lance]

Still experimental and support for alot vulkan extensions missing based on what is mentioned in the rocknix server

[mint notch]

apparently this particular vulkan driver is very janky though

[raw furnace]

This is exactly why I want a max 4 model with more ram

[neat spire]

I don’t think you need more ram for gc/ps2

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-jim-carrey-raised-e-yebrow-gif-6338947979135718753

[neat spire]

The gamecube had like 43mb of ram total shared between system ram, vram, and buffer lol

Even 2gb is enough ram for full ps2/GC, they just need a beefy gpu/cpu

[raw furnace]

You're forgetting about the OS overhead.

[slim mango]

well, depends on what the device is running, I wouldn't want 4gb RAM with Android
but yeah, for a Linux device it's not an issue

[raw furnace]

Having a smooth experience while using your device is important too

[slim mango]

with Linux still no issue

heck, run Windows on 4gb of RAM for all I care

[neat spire]

Linux can run fine on 1gb lol

Less than 1gb if you don’t use ES

[slim mango]

people kinda overestimate RAM usage tbh, like why the fuck needs my phone 12gb RAM exactly?

[neat spire]

Ps2/gamecube emulation is already not memory constrained on the rgb10max3pro - just needs a bigger cpu/gpu

[slim mango]

I mean yeah, Android is fucking bloated up and as said, I wouldn't buy anything running that with less than 6gb anymore, because fuck it - exceptions may be if we start to see $80 Android handhelds with t606 or similar chips... as long as those have 3gb RAM and are cleansed of Google Play Services, that's cool -, but that isn't exactly an issue with not enough RAM but Android being shitty

on the other hand I'm sitting here on an notebook with four measly gb of RAM and have no issues opening 50 tabs on my browser

[neat spire]

Linux?

[raw furnace]

Also more ram (specially on a chipset like this one) means more options for the future. Maybe running a full desktop OS or running a homemade project

[slim mango]

nah Win 10

the only Notebooks I have running on Linux have 750mb and 2gb of RAM

and quite frankly, the 2gb RAM thingy would work with 32bit Windows 10 too

[dense gazelle]

Then I shall forever ask

[fair oyster]

For our purposes it likely would better to spend extra on 4gb ddr5 than 8gb ddr4

[terse goblet]

most 6th and 7th gen console games barely use 2gb of ram

the whole 'we need more ram' bandwagon is so the ports crowd can play stuff like half-life 2 or whatever.

https://youtu.be/t8xbMdzsB5c?t=298

[neat spire]

Even then I think 4gb is plenty for most ports that would run on a 3588

[terse goblet]

not saying that it's an invalid reason or anything, but powkiddy may be more for making this their 6th gen retro handheld where the rgb10max3pro and ogu failed

[neat spire]

The rp5 is gonna be stiff competition unless they can really keep the price down though

[terse goblet]

but yeah, 4gb should be enough for low graphics setting ports

also, as the win600 continues to drop in price, it's going to begin messing with this part of the market too. some newcomers are finding them for 200 new

[turbid mortar]

I suspect the shipped price is going to be really good comparatively, so I'm not too concerned about that. The bigger issue in my mind is I was under the impression the rk3588 was just inherently terrible on battery life and heat.

[terse goblet]

it is. sucks down power and requires either a huge heatsink or a small heatsink+fan

if no fan, add an extra inch of metal fins

[weak grotto]

Damn, for a moment there I thought this is a Pentium 2

[terse goblet]

all of the fanless rk3588 units are just... a metal box acting as the heatsink.

as a former ogu person whose unit would repeatedly pass 90c and shutdown until the chip boiled itself even after repasting, i'm a little critical about putting a hotter chip in same exact formfactor

[neat spire]

As long as it has a fan this time it’ll be fine

[abstract saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

[dense gazelle]

But you have such bad battery life with this device.......

[terse goblet]

what is 'such a bad battery life'? 1.5 hours at heaviest? 3 hours at lightest?

we saw the Gameforce Ace tapping out for similar amounts on a 5500mah battery(compared to the win's 4800mah). and guess what? powkiddy is giving their rk3588 an even smaller 4000mah battery.

[dense gazelle]

My bad. I thought the reason for bad batt on game force was due to how unoptimised the os is

[terse goblet]

it's a 5-13w soc. there's going to be some laptop-tier power draw

[digital mantle]

so.. is this good or bad

[glacial eagle]

its one of the hardest Gamecube game to run so its great

[weak grotto]

I mean, working Vulkan is awesome

For people wanting Linux this probably makes RK3588 a lot more attractive than RP5 or Mini despite having worse specs

Short term, of course

[uncut lance]

Probably still quite far from "working vulkan" for the rk3588

[mint notch]

Rp5 (sd865) has vulkan drivers for Linux

Plus much better opengl support as well

[weak grotto]

Yeah, but for some reason Retroid isn't showing anything above PSX in their showcase videos. I mean, this will get fixed, but it makes me think it's not working at the moment

[haughty plank]

This has no touch screen tho, right?

[mint notch]

no

[grand pasture]

Yeah like we're putting 30 watt AMD chips in handhelds. I think we can cool a 3588 with a slim heatsink/fan like the switch. But I guess that costs more money for this thing

[dense gazelle]

....I can't live with this....back to rp5 I go

[cursive vapor]

I’d say by end of year we will have some usability when it comes to PanVk. For now it’s indeed a meme driver, but it does work for showcases. 100% wouldn’t daily drive it though. You also lose the big boy OpenGL with my setup, which is needed for box64 and other apps.

Right now Vulkan does exist in PanVk v10, but it’s missing a tonne of stuff. This one is just a blob driver we modified to add back the missing vulkan wsi layer

[dense gazelle]

Max4 release date when?

[abstract saffron]

maybe take the release window between the v10 and 10x as reference 🤔

[dense gazelle]

how long was that

[abstract saffron]

like a bit more then a month i guess

[dense gazelle]

i'll keep asking everyday lmao

[abstract saffron]

I dont think it will release before the end of october

or before the rp5 ships

[wise bison]

I do wonder if this'll come before some of MagicX's new devices, heh

[abstract saffron]

Wait I forgot the #1260463944498413610 will release before the Max4 as well

[slim mango]

Max 4 happens within the next 15 months for sure

[terse goblet]

gameMT is still waiting for their engineers to finish the rk3588 design they showed off as well. Unlike the max4, it's going to be android-based, active-cooled, and probably have that same 7000mah battery as the e6/e5 plus.

[raw furnace]

This is taking too long to come out

It could be DOA if news about it don't come soon enough

Specially considering that the rp5 will have a better supported chipset and Linux

And the rp4 (and pro) is decreasing in price

And could be a way better value handheld as well

[raw furnace]

Rocknix supports rk3588 so it'll have it either way

Only thing missing is full Vulkan support and that's progressing

[terse goblet]

yeah. now's a good time to let handheld-makers cross swords and see what rises to the top.

[raw furnace]

If the pocket 5 delivers at least solid Android gaming, it will be very tough to beat

[terse goblet]

it's an sd865. it already does.

[raw furnace]

I have an LG V60 that has the same chipset and I'm excited to think I just have to update to a different phone and get a "pocket 5 at home"

[terse goblet]

there is no game in the playstore that doesn't support snapdragon

[raw furnace]

I know

Plus turnip drivers support

[terse goblet]

that's the main beef. if buying an sd865 phone and a controller is cheaper than the RP5, then that handheld is going to rot in the main market.

people here will love it though

anbernic got lucky with the t820, because nobody outside of SEA has even seen it used in a device. They and Nubia are the only devs with rights to the t820

[raw furnace]

So again, the "triumph card" for this

Would be Linux support

Which is incomplete, hah

[terse goblet]

heeeehhh

[raw furnace]

A Gameforce ace kind of situation

[raw furnace]

As a handheld owner who used to play on his phone

It's different

Instead of attaching things into things

A handheld comes off as more "complete"

[terse goblet]

OGU kind of situation actually. when it came out, for months all we had was a terminal prompt and a single mostly unusable port of emuelec, which the dev abandoned shortly after release. over a year later, and both are "useable"

maybe the 10max4 won't be more of that?

[raw furnace]

Idk but it's taking too long

With a chipset that we already know what can and can't do

(I have a Gameforce ace)

And only 4gb of ram

[terse goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/batocera/comments/1epig3o/batocera_v40_released/
well looks like linux is still broken. i think last time anyone even tried the dreamcast cores on the rk3588, it was running at like 24fps in sega rally which is BAD. apparently Mesa Panthor in v40 made psp finally playable.

[raw furnace]

Everything plays fine in Rocknix

They even got aether and dolphin playing smooth on opengl

3ds can't run as there isn't any opengl emulator for linux

And they're compiling a new blob now to see if vulkan "works" now (as it's still in complete)

@cursive vapor posted a video recently of Fzero gx playing on his custom rk3588, at 3x resolution with this vulkan blob

https://x.com/StonedEdgeMods/status/1836449589467218354

StonedEdge (@StonedEdgeMods) on X

For those who are looking forward to Vulkan support on Linux for RK3588… here’s a taste of what’s to come! 3x resolution F-Zero GX.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 4:57 PM

[raw furnace]

Everything below plays full speed, including Dreamcast (on Rocknix)

Note that this is thanks to the magic of Rocknix developers, which uses a lot of specific emulator versions updated on their own by them

(like an old OpenGL dolphin with modern enhancements)

[terse goblet]

Ah so they're custom-compiling versions just for rocknix. That's good at least.

[mint notch]

that driver is very messy and so far it doesnt work with weston, which is a problem for rocknix

[raw furnace]

They're still compiling it so it's still a "we'll see"

However, as I said

Everything besides 3ds it's playable

Heck, shadow of the colossus and fzero gx are playable on their opengl builds

Which is nothing short of amazing

My only "gripes"; with Rocknix are things that go against its immutable philosophy (aka you can't change things so you can't wreck things)

But even for those there are workarounds

[dense gazelle]

Why you do dis

[abstract saffron]

Powkiddy did

[dense gazelle]

Soz but where's the chat/channel for this? I wanna see

[dense gazelle]

But you pinged me and now my hopes hurt more 😭

[abstract saffron]

womp Womp

[terse goblet]

https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1269755847924252733

e5plus already launched. sinyorksu talked a little about the Mte8p's progress in https://discord.com/channels/741895796315914271/1168386197605855313
basically, no updates. still waiting.

[dense gazelle]

Ewwww dpad on bot

[tight girder]

Is this handheld still happening or is it cancelled, now when RP5 is announced and will ship soon😅

[abstract saffron]

Still happening but the V10 RGB10X RGB20Pro had to release first

[flat ivy]

This needs to be priced appropriately at this point tbh

It can't be much more than max 3 pro, the market has shifted

[raw furnace]

Unless this comes straight out of the gate with proper Linux support (and that means Vulkan on Linux), IMO it's going to be DOA, specially against RP5.

[dense gazelle]

i will gladly pay 125-150 for this

[slim mango]

$125 is the highest they can really go with this IMO

[modern basin]

has the RK3588 been outclassed that much now?

[slim mango]

it's not solely about the chip tho, but compared to the RP5 this doesn't has touch, OLED nor the same build quality, let alone analogue triggers and less ram - does it even has internal storage? at the end of the day it has to be quite a bit cheaper or else it can't compete

[forest basin]

Plus it has to deal with the RK3588 curse.

Gameforce Ace and TJD T80 fell to this curse.

Powkiddy will need to pow that curse to keep it away from the kiddies.

[dense gazelle]

whats the curse you speaking of

[abstract saffron]

There is no RK3588 Curse.

Gao and TJD just have skill issues

[dense gazelle]

i highly doubt it would be THAT cheap

[dense gazelle]

what happed tjd

[slim mango]

bold of you to assume that powkiddy has any skill

[forest basin]

Those are the two RK3588 handhelds so far.

The Gameforce ace shipped physically broken (buttons that break unless you open it up and trip them, a screen that was the wrong hz, speakers with reversed polarity....) and the owner made a joke about going bankrupt a few months after launch (on April fools day) and then disappeared.

The TJD T80 RK3588 SKU sold 4 units on IGG. So, yeah....who knows if it'll actually ship, or what state it will be in, or support will be provided...

[forest basin]

Fair

[dense gazelle]

that's sounds more like their incompetence than anything

[forest basin]

Well, yes.

It's possible there is not actually a curse on the RK3588

It is interesting that the only two examples we have had of RK3588 handhelds have been the two biggest bombs of the year though.

[raw furnace]

I have a (fixed) Ace, and honestly haven't had any issues whatsoever with it. However the chipset won't be relevant if snapdragons get Linux

[uncut lance]

If it's a full fledged handheld with analog triggers and touchscreen etc I think 150-160 is still reasonable for it (for now) even just as a android handheld, similar CPU to the t820 but with a superior GPU.

But with the cutbacks this was supposed to have, maybe not more than 130.

[raw furnace]

The rocknix team started to work on sd865 (rp5) device tree for Linux, so this better comes out soon

[haughty plank]

Or be very cheap

[raw furnace]

Also this. But with rp4pro prices dropping down, they'll have to price ths very aggressively

[robust robin]

#1118633698179428362

[terse goblet]

Looks like GameMT's rk3588s handheld test unit just landed. Sinyorksu fans are about to eat well

[west trail]

I don't know when the official day for them to send out the max 4s is but im getting worried that it's getting a little late to capture the hype

[frozen sluice]

I think it’s stuck because of the RP5, think PK is waiting no for that to come out and die down. Otherwise no one will give a damn about this console.

[neat spire]

the RP5 supporting linux is devastating for this

if the RP5 was android only like the RP4 this would still have a nice niche

[frozen sluice]

I’m not a big fan of retroid and that glass looks terrible on the new models IMO. PK know that retroid has hurt the max4 and it will be interesting in what they do with the timing of the release and the price?

[half sinew]

I think delaying it will only hurt its chances.

[frozen sluice]

I don’t think so, once everyone has the RP5 that wants it they won’t get bagged for bringing out a device just for having less power. RP5 and mini aren’t for everyone especially if you don’t want glass with fingerprints all over it. They can’t release at the same time it will just get squashed.

[abstract saffron]

They should drop it when rp5 pre orders are done.
So it’ll look better against a $225 handheld instead a $210 one

[forest basin]

When the Ace was first getting hyped up a year ago with this chip, it felt like a great step up in power at the price point for what you could get.

Now, between Retroid, Anbernic, and the Odin 1 dropping in price, it is less exciting power wise. But as time goes on that'll only get worse.

And who is to say Anbernic won't drop an rk3588 device with a few weeks notice?

I say release as soon as possible.

[terse goblet]

that + smaller handheld devs picking up steam, community-vetting their designs, and pushing to market in 2-3 months while this stagnates is making it look like powkiddy doesn't have their process all together

[turbid mortar]

I would change "getting a little late" to "gotten a little late", personally.

[neat spire]

the rgb10max4 is flat which is nice for pocketing

if it's cheap enough I think it still has a nice niche

I'd probably find it more pocketable than the mini (larger footprint but no lumps)

[flat ivy]

i think if they need time to get it really good and give it a new shell they should just take that time at this point. they missed the point to strike when the iron was hot and just shove 3588 in the max 3 pro shell. if they can design something appealing and keep the price down enough, and launch in a better state than the max 3 pro did they might have something

they missed the window for the quick and dirty option but if they can get it cheap enough (sub-$150 imo) they'd fill a niche well

[raw furnace]

Yes, this is s very nice chip

Sub 150 ps2 and gc would be nice

[neat spire]

I like the max3pro shell

If they added grips, analog triggers, bigger sticks etc it would lose the appeal to me compared to higher end stuff

I like that the max3pro shell was flat and pocketable

[flat ivy]

to me it wasnt pocketable and also wasnt ergo lol. like once flat slabs get that big they aren't really pocketable to a useful degree for me so id rather have something comfy. id be fine with it if it was like, really cheap but if the price gets anywhere near devices that do have higher res screens and analog triggers then id expect better

[neat spire]

it fit nicely in my jeans which admittedly have large pockets

for me I'd rather have big and flat rather than small and lumpy (would pocket the rgb10max3pro over the 353VS mostly because the shoulder shelf on the VS bothered me)

[flat ivy]

yeah i mean your use case is different from mine tbh. you're pocketing things at work

[neat spire]

true

[flat ivy]

when i briefly had my max 3 pro it definitely wasnt like, throw in my pants pocket for my commute size. for like kinda standing still-ish working i get it more

but i wasnt gonna get on the subway with a max 3 pro in my pocket lol

[neat spire]

I think part of it is just pants choice. My pockets are huge footprint wise but they're still jeans so they're not super loose to soften any protrusions or curves

so thin + flat = the way

[flat ivy]

yeah for me its just size i guess. like anything with a 5 inch widescreen isnt gonna be pocketable enough to me to actually pocket so if its gonna be a backpack handheld id rather have some ergonomics

[neat spire]

that's fair, for me everything is pretty hard lines - pants pocketable vs sling bag vs backpack/messenger bag

so you wind up with fairly similar looking handhelds on opposite sides of a hard line based on your specific bags/pants/whatever

like for me my small sling bag can barely fit an ally X but can't fit a steam deck so the slightly larger size of the steam deck is actually a big deal to me but wouldn't be for a lot of people

right now the only handhelds I have are the 35xxSP (pants pocketable but a little thick for my tastes so I kinda wish I'd gone 28xx), 406v (definitely a sling bag handheld) and the ally X (also sling bag but my old steam deck would not have been)

but if I got a legion go or something it would have to go in my larger laptop bag

but my old sling bag could barely fit an odin 2 so the ally X would be a laptop bag handheld

(alternatively I have some beige work pants that aren't jeans that I could never fit either the 35xxSP or the rgb10max3pro in, a MM+ or 28xx were basically the only handhelds that could fit in those so I now don't own anything I can carry on me when I wear those lol)

[fair oyster]

I'd want them to make this even more compact than the rgb10max3pro. A slim 5 inch at good price point still has a place in my collection.

basically a rgb10max3 but without handles, just a compact slab.

inline shoulders

[terse goblet]

The thermals from 10-13w at the upper end will make a slim design very uncomfortable.

[cursive vapor]

Really depends on where you hands go

[terse goblet]

Assuming this needs a much larger spreader than the ogu/10max3pro, that could make one entire side hot. Dolphin pushes the soc beyond 70c.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/s/pDrygfZROH

A case where a tv box with passive cooling runs worse than a t618 due to throttling down to 30% cpu usage.

Tfw parabola thermal curve.

[neat spire]

It just needs an actual fan not a chunk of metal and calling it a day

Which granted probably does prevent them from going thinner than the max3pro

[tawny steeple]

not the tv box

[lime shard]

Say what!?
More information please!!!

[abstract saffron]

👀

[woven tree]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-dry-tumbleweed-roll-dust-gif-5348866

[neat spire]

I wouldn’t even consider this from a consumer perspective until the usual suspects like Rocknix have dev units in hand fwiw

[robust robin]

This handheld isn't happing. Deleted this channel

[robust robin]

Linux for worse a horrible WiFi experience. But hey it's simple.

[abstract saffron]

Watch powkiddy announce the max4 once the rp5 pre orders end and it get more expensive

[robust robin]

Batcocera has pretty pictures for those having trouble reading the name of the game.

[mossy cipher]

I think

They should hurry up

[robust robin]

They will not. Only people that are into SnM will buy these.

[abstract saffron]

The second rp5 hits full retail price, they will drop the pre order date

[digital mantle]

Android so that the Chinese companies can have their spyware apps on top of Google's.

[robust robin]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

[neat spire]

I mean that has literally happened with android tv boxes

But with retroid at least there will be android cfw from gamma too

[balmy wren]

retroid stock fw is clean. nothing to worry about there

[digital mantle]

For now.

[mossy cipher]

suuuuuure

[robust robin]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-make-face-headdress-gif-17560190

Worse than the 23 and me people?

[digital mantle]

I am not insulting you, I don't get why you feel the need to insult me.

[neat spire]

I doubt retroid would have any issues with android build malware just because they actually do it in house AFAICT

It’s when they take lowest bidder contractors that steal another lowest bidder contractor’s android rom you wind up with a lot of opportunity for malicious actors

Like tv boxes or handheld manufacturers that don’t employ their own devs

[wise bison]

Ah yes, the whole situation with MagicX and the wrongly-labled Rockchip CPUs...

(Hopefully, their new contractor is actually good)

[nocturne token]

Not only that but it's pretty easy for China to get our personal info by just, y'know, buying it. They don't need to sneak anything on our devices when Google already has a monopoly on that.

[valid turret]

Sorry why do you say that? I have been doing a bit of work on the ROCKNIX dev build for the RP Mini and in my testing the wifi is actually excellent. Transferring updated builds at 70 MB/s is a lot better than I have seen on other devices.

[robust robin]

Is RockNIX for the mini out? I am taking about mainly 3566 Linux handhelds that 802.11b my home router doesn't like at all

[valid turret]

It's still WIP, will be a little while. r3claimer is making some magic happen 🙂

The dev build I currently have on my mini is pretty good though, but of course plenty of things missing / not quite working.

But I was playing PS2 NFS Hot Pursuit 2 last night at 2x resolution fine for example.

[robust robin]

Take your time no rush.

[night knoll]

Ohh 🙂

I just started playing Underground again. It looks great upscaled.

[dense gazelle]

how much longer must i wait for this 😭

[abstract saffron]

Wait for rp5 price to rise to retail

Pre orders must end

[wise bison]

Yeah, Powkiddy's gonna really have to plan this launch carefully...

[terse goblet]

CEO and engineers are probably going back and forth in an obstructive way.
"I said NO active cooling! Use the 10max3pro heatsink or else!"

[carmine crypt]

Are we honestly using the term CEO for a tiny gadget mill?

[quick jungle]

this feels doa already

[fair oyster]

Given that we have a mali vulkan blob now for rk3588 (even though it's a bit old) I am still excited for rk3588 devices

[abstract saffron]

And after pre orders for the rp5 end it’ll be $240ish shipped and you don’t have to pay shipping with powkiddy handhelds iirc

[forest basin]

Free shipping is something they should shout about more.

It's cheaper for me to buy powkiddy devices from their website, and get them shipped from the USA, than it is to use the powkiddy AliExpress store in the UK.

Powkiddy outcompeting themselves.

[errant quail]

What about Supreme Overlord?

[digital mantle]

Even small companies have bosses and owners, it turns out

[wise bison]

And there's also the possibility of discounts and sales

[carmine crypt]

Not named a "CEO" mostly - the last employer I had was fairly active in the world's smart bike industry, and the boss was labeled "总经理/General Manager"

[terse goblet]

also, take this with a grain of salt. Powkiddy is still working on a Google Tensor G3 handheld

[wise bison]

Heh, this is DEFINITELY a "grain of salt" thing. I'm not sure if Google is opening up the use of the Tensor CPUs to other manus...

[terse goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213362428340080640/1248671780718121100/62daf8fbfbedab64472f8afdb136afc378311e80.jpg?
i chat with one of their insiders every now and then and asked months back what their next big soc would be and he showed me this.

[wise bison]

Whoa

[terse goblet]

that X1 is a tensor core. this whole soc layout is from the pixel 8 pro. for what i know they have a few project boards in powkiddy to experiment with, so who knows?

would be nice to get a handheld running on chromeOS that can be booted into Ubuntu through crouton.

[abstract saffron]

Where does ubuntu come from

[terse goblet]

its a distro of debian by canonical. they weirdly work side by side with google to keep chromebooks dual-boot-friendly

[abstract saffron]

Wait the chipset is being used in chromebooks?

Now Linux support makes sense

[modern basin]

I want that Doge emoji

[flat maple]

👀

[terse goblet]

its okay. learned last night that its a smoke bomb in the butthole.

there's a large chance that the 10max4 will be delayed indefinitely because(a) rp5/mini exists, and (b) they don't want buyers to wait for the community to fix the software.

Also, PK is waiting for a cheap, powerful chip to go in the x18s/x28 successor

[neat spire]

I just hope they do re-use the max3pro shell somewhere

because I love it being a flat slab

[wise bison]

I want to say the upcoming RK3688, but that's probably still expensive

[terse goblet]

I mentioned the helio g99/100 and d6080/6100 as budget and 100-200usd device 6nm chips.

https://youtu.be/HhGFryBSAQo?t=24 (d6100 gameplay)

[terse goblet]

the problem is powkiddy is poor.

[jaunty wren]

Unisoc t157 is when they should consider it was really impressive what it was able to do on the TCL tou Lao

https://youtu.be/kTnyRITF8OQ?si=OKBExBcjmgDgCbfq

[carmine crypt]

Don't hang up on this stuff

If we don't need 5G

A mediatek is the only viable option left

[mint notch]

yeah, but the focus is on linux compatible soc, there is a plenty of android-only options already

[wise bison]

True. And some Qualcomms can do Linux, so there's also that option

[tight girder]

I mean why...? Those chip tend to overheat by just open the File manager 😂

[neat spire]

Ooooooo

[terse goblet]

So powkiddy might be brave enough to launch this after they have a good firmware then. Kinda sucks that there's no touchscreen

[neat spire]

honestly, my biggest pet peeve on android handhelds is that I wind up having to touch the screen for brightness adjustment or setup or something silly and then I have fingerprints on my screen

especially on a vertical like the 406v where my fingers should not be going near the screen ever

one complaint I had about the rgb10max3pro was getting fingerprints on the bottom edge of the screen while using the function/volume/start/select buttons

or on the ally X the dpad is close enough to the screen to trigger accidental touches sometimes and/or smudge the screen

[terse goblet]

That's wild

[dense gazelle]

865 roughly the same cpu and gpu perf as Rk3588??? really?? i thought the 865 has way better gpu

[terse goblet]

look at the actual benchmarks

it shares the same gpu as the dimensity 7200

[uncut lance]

I think maybe 20-30% better GPU ? And that's excluding any driver/compatibly advantage .
CPU should be around the same gap as well, with single thread difference even higher due to the 2.8ghz a77 in the 865.

Personally wont call it "roughly the same", but probably would run the same ports

[terse goblet]

i'll just post the wild life unlimited test, rather than speculating

that's the closest you'll get to gameplay

6% difference

[dense gazelle]

Seems like the 3588 is abit more stable in terms of performance.the 650 has higher min/max i.e. wider fluctuations