hivescum-class

[hearty fossil]

alright thanks for the input

[flat mist]

I go via the elevated walkway then take ladder down to go through the little room

[warm axle]

i like the tunnel, seen some shit in that stairway to the walkway that would make people uninstall lol

multiple mutant and burster moment. tunnel tends to get more agro but you can actually dip back and use it as cover when theres too much heat

and has that back little windowed room and barrels to slide between as well. specials tend to spawn away from there if youre holding it too.

[north saddle]

Also ok

[north saddle]

Fair, i usually shout at the stairway and then run for it. I just hate the entire area since it always spawns hordes/monsters/etc

[flat mist]

Twas a joke

[north saddle]

I just hate the area leading up to the room

The room itself is ok

At least its cover

Although once you get a monstrosity its disgusting

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-not-funny-nooneislaughing-gif-25466775

[flat mist]

@ wardens im being bullied

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-cares-nobody-gives-a-fck-gif-16881823

[flat mist]

https://tenor.com/view/piece-of-shit-the-big-short-gif-21062781

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nobody-cares-not-a-big-deal-its-fine-no-big-deal-gif-16076896

[north saddle]

I mean in his defense i am german. I wouldnt recognize humor If you hit me in the face with it

[jovial heron]

No this is about sending a message and keeping Irosk in his place

[reef spoke]

l-l-lewd~!

[worn portal]

should you always stim before dropping crate to get double effects?

[jovial heron]

Stim before using it but time it so that you get crate back faster (sub node that gives crate back when stim comes back)

[mighty belfry]

😳

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/you-watch-jimjoe-dang-the-harper-house-just-watch-watch-me-gif-23103159

[mighty belfry]

Damn the tension is palpable.

[calm aurora]

is the rending node from rampage needed for the rashad?

[verbal dew]

it has 90% carapace adm

on heavies

so doubt it's needed

[low harbor]

Noe

[flat mist]

That's Mr Orc to you, champ

[flat mist]

STIMM SUPPLY ROTATION
1. 0s >>> ACTION: Stimm Supply [75s SC] 
2. 0s >>> WAIT: detonation timer (5s stimm buff)
3. 5s >>> WAIT: ability recharge timer (15s stimm buff) [31s CAC]
4. 36s >>> ACTION: Supply 
5. 36s >>> WAIT: detonation timer (5s stimm buff)
6. 41s >>> WAIT: ability recharge timer (15s stimm buff) [31s CAC)
7. 41-72s >>> VARIABLE: Is Stimm Available? If Y, repeat from [Step 1] immediately. If N, repeat from [Step 4] at t=72s.

Stimm Supply = use crate with stimm available
Supply = use crate without stimm available
SC = Stimm Cooldown
CAC = Combat Ability Cooldown

TOTAL CYCLE DURATION = 72s or less
MINIMUM BUFF UPTIME = 40s (55%)

Optimal crating 🧠

[jovial heron]

I just have a short cooldown stimm

https://giphy.com/gifs/iQiyiOfficial-anime-anya-spy-x-family-FWAcpJsFT9mvrv0e7a

[calm aurora]

ELI5 please

[flat mist]

What does that mean

[calm aurora]

Explain Like I'm 5

[iron saddle]

Stimm good use when can make you happy

[worn portal]

do stim crates heal toughness on their own?

like persistently

[verbal dew]

no

toughness is only from chem dep talent or speccing in to the toughness tree for stimm

[stray bridge]

Just wanted to report that I've played your toxin build this week, it's pretty good on the heavy sword, but I've found that playing Tacaxe with it also works too

Though either way, that Heavy Sword cleave with that build is pretty good

Especially dealing with Carapace

[mighty belfry]

Tbf it is the tac axe

It just works ™

No matter what you really do with it.

Well unless you just happen to choose like, the bottom of the barrel blessings ig

[ancient basin]

swing fast, good crit, beeg tox stacks

[brittle sierra]

I still think Rashad is giga broken on this class

[mighty belfry]

It just is broken lol

[worn portal]

do you just do the same headsplitter swing over and over?

[brittle sierra]

If it's into elites yeah

[worn portal]

otherwise light spam unga bunga?

tac axe giving me carpal tunnel, but i cant say it hasnt been effective

[astral canyon]

because it is lmao

[reef spoke]

Rashad is probably the best melee imo

[flat mist]

I was playing chainsword yesterday and looking at taxe like why u got all that and i have three goddamn cleave blessings and three for a special attack i never use

[flat mist]

Stimm crate w/ chem dep, curios and kalma V has a 32s cooldown.
Pop crate, 37s later pop crate w/o stim (make sure to pick up the buff tho).
Then in the next 37s your stimm will be back up or you just pop crate again.

Its atleast 55% uptime on crate and almost always more because of sample collector

Thats with max CD stimm

Usually stimm will come off CD before your second crate expires which gives 70% uptime on crate

[limber cradle]

It's defo maximal effect for minimal input across whatever class has it ime, anything else that does more also has quirks

[flat mist]

Id much rather have 70% uptime on crate w/ max buffs than 100% uptime with a shit buff

[limber cradle]

I agree

I like when there's another scum with a fat buff crate

[flat mist]

50% cd regen + 20% strength + rending/crit/finesse vs hurr durr im only giving 4% attack speed bc im dumb

[limber cradle]

I like fat stimms over fast stimms too tbh

Especially now that pathing to samp collector is free

[flat mist]

Yeah SC so effective

You can genuinely run 4 stack ChD + max stimm so easily

Like bruh you cant shoot 20 things with your needle pistol in 45s?!?

Not that maxed out chems is worth it

[limber cradle]

You can melee blender yourself back into having a stimm in your average high havoc horde ime

[limber cradle]

I think Ham likes it so there has to be some merit

[flat mist]

Its fine weve just got so many good picks

[limber cradle]

Come on fat shark

Lemme get 5 more talent points

[worn portal]

tried the max stim supply crate

its pretty good

though it doesnt seem to stack anymore, but hey, its at least not a weak little stim just to counter the blight

+20 str / 15 crit is basically two weapon blessings

[dire badge]

I have full str funese stim on pure melee build but I think it comes off cd too soon. Should I add ark speed to it? I have shivs

[worn portal]

ark speed?

[verbal dew]

prob just mistype of atk speed

I like attack speed on stim ye

nice to do if rampage is off cooldown

[flat mist]

Stack? As in if you stimm then crate or crate then crate again?

[worn portal]

stim and then crate immediately

didnt seem to incrase my damage numbers in psyk

[lost ravine]

crate will only bring out your stim effect if stim is available

or at least such is my understanding

[worn portal]

wait, so if stim isnt available, crate is just the corruption immunity?

i guess thats sensible

[verbal dew]

and cleanse

[worn portal]

if running with a party, is no stimm lab a good plan and using off the ground stims so that every now and then i get a medstim?

or is that kinda meme?

[verbal dew]

it's not worth it

[worn portal]

why is the rashad 'broken'?

[flat mist]

If you exit then go back into the aoe you'l get the buff even if your stimm was on cd

[worn portal]

what

[flat mist]

Yeah its been a known thing for ages

[worn portal]

what about teammates

[flat mist]

Same thing they just have to walk into the aoe after its been dropped

[worn portal]

so i cant drop on top of them

but they need to enter it

[flat mist]

Yes

[worn portal]

holy balls, so full CD node + full dmg node or something... works

[flat mist]

Yes

[rough peak]

It's kind of silly that they force you to take the +5s stimm duration node if you take desperado

Is there a big difference between Alley Rat and Nimble? To me it looks like you'd want alley rat on a weapon with a low dodge distance, but, idk for sure

[worn portal]

whatever feels better for ya rlealy.

get creature spawner and see which one ltes you fight better

[brittle atlas]

i am a pillbug

[flat mist]

Thats correct

Alley rat is a bit much on shivs/knife

[rough peak]

I saw a huge difference on the bonesaw, and it can have positive dodge distance

[hallow creek]

next class ad mech?

rouge trader just released the next class and it seemed like GW was releasing arbites on a few of its IPs at the same time

[zenith fern]

we already have got leaks for skittari class

[calm aurora]

alley rat is a bit much on everything tbh, I ledged myself multiple times because of it using the heavy sword.

[compact oyster]

cant pinpoint skitarii tho

it can be a tech adept or skitarii entirely

[echo python]

It's 99% admech related

Maybe they'll call it skitarii maybe they won't

[lost ravine]

what the flop

[blissful gull]

is there a havoc breakpoint calculator?

[reef hearth]

2 guys in auric with some hefty titles, and tehy say, 1 of u will fail us... well who died first on the karnak twins? and immidietly left? guess xD

the guy even could lutch the last boss... jsut left bcs his friend left

and failed it...

intentionaly, is tehre way to found out who these guys ewhere and block them somehow so i never have them?

[echo python]

There's a social menu in game that should list players you've previously played with, you can block players in that one

[zenith fern]

Social tab on escape menu

[flat mist]

I like it on caxe (i think same dodge as heavy sword?)

[reef hearth]

thx, played few games, now i forgot the nick xD

next time .)

[serene bronze]

Anyone got a op hivescum build as I’m trying to learn him

[unique spire]

I don't think you will learn anything using a OP build

[iron saddle]

Are ability curios meh on scum?

[flat mist]

No

[verbal dew]

a bit

[iron saddle]

I keep swapping between revive and ability. Can't tell which I like better

[verbal dew]

2 rev speed is great

[zenith fern]

Honestly for me scum does not need ability cd on curios

[glacial jay]

I use 3 revive speed

Mobile ambulance at that point

[iron saddle]

Yeah I think I'ma go back to rev speed it is handy and I normally quick match diff modes anyway thanks fellow scums

[verbal dew]

revive speed has actual diminishing returns so 2 are usually enough

[flat mist]

If im running rampage ChD there's no way im giving up 2.77s off my cd

[unreal stirrup]

@low harbor does tertium welcome and other first target effect work for subsequent enemy with bm

[molten shale]

Yes

[unreal stirrup]

I know stuff like hsword heavy first target damage stat only affect 1 enemy even when it does full damage against 2

[flat mist]

No

Your 2nd target is still your second target

BM doesnt change anything

And hyperviolence wont apply until your next attack

A tertium welcome is still good on BM weapons though

[flat mist]

Also this is ridiculously easy to test in less than 5 mins

[jovial heron]

No tell me

I don’t wanna

[unreal stirrup]

hyperviolence is per hit iirc?

[molten shale]

That's what I would've expected, but it seemed to apply when I tested it in the psyk

[unreal stirrup]

not per swing

[unreal stirrup]

im asking because im not home from work yet

smh

[flat mist]

You test it by finding an enemy that gets one shot with AtW but not without and see if it kills the 2nd target aswell

[molten shale]

It did

[flat mist]

Yeah doesnt apply until the next hit

Maybe im wrong about AtW tho

[jovial heron]

Huh Kuli says this about it

[flat mist]

First time for everything

[jovial heron]

The attack carries over its first target damage against the first four hit enemies

[flat mist]

Thats referring to cleave drop off though

I wouldnt assume AtW carries over

[jovial heron]

shrug I am jus reading

[flat mist]

I didn't know you could read

[jovial heron]

“Also be killed by weakspot hit by the SAME attack”

[jovial heron]

One of us has to

[flat mist]

Yes but the same attack has less damage on subsequent targets when BM isnt in play

Like with h1 on shivs

[jovial heron]

But we are talking about BM?

[flat mist]

AtW only applies to one of thr two "primary" targets

[jovial heron]

It literally says first target DAMAGE

CARRIED OVER

[flat mist]

Referring to cleave drop off not necessarily AtWs coding

[molten shale]

The only solution is to go test it again :P

[flat mist]

First target damage is a specific noun in this context that refers to cleave drop off

[jovial heron]

Yeah because FIRST TARGET DAMAGE is actually Cleave misspelled

[flat mist]

Literally

[flat mist]

Record if you can

[molten shale]

Will do once this mission is over

[flat mist]

Make sure you clip the enemy not dying without AtW

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/please-god-let-this-be-true-because-it-would-be-so-funny-tomura-shigaraki-my-hero-academia-tomura-shigaraki-gif-4027007580554018898

[flat mist]

I cant wait to be right

[unreal stirrup]

yeah this is my question

[jovial heron]

Hey you would get to yell at Kuli for his write up

[unreal stirrup]

since weapon with first target stat even when they deal same damage to different enemy the first target stat only affect the first enemy

[flat mist]

Kuli's write up is fine he just does not definitively address AtW

[unreal stirrup]

every subsequent enemy take same damage as the second

[jovial heron]

“It’s perfect it’s just not right”

[flat mist]

Its right its just not comprehensive*

[jovial heron]

“First Target Damage (excluding first target damage talents)”

[molten shale]

Results are in (edit: Yes, "first target" damage applies for every Brutal Momentum kill)

Without tertium welcome

With tertium welcome

[jovial heron]

Am I crazy or was it a one hit on those stacked up grunts

@flat mist @flat mist @flat mist

[molten shale]

All four die with ATW, none die without. If it didn't apply through BM, then only 1 would die in the second trial

[unreal stirrup]

is this with hv

[molten shale]

Yeah, let me take it off to check that too

[unreal stirrup]

since it can be inconsistent if the hv stack higher in one of the case

[flat mist]

both

[jovial heron]

True

[flat mist]

i was wrong for the first time ever damn

[jovial heron]

Hold up hyperviolence maybe was at work

[flat mist]

nah

[molten shale]

It wasn't HV

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/dJyyPG

svens right

[molten shale]

Without HV

[jovial heron]

*mitchell was right

https://tenor.com/view/you-were-totally-wrong-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s7e13-butt-out-gif-22198945

[flat mist]

No u

[jovial heron]

Exactly

[high kraken]

tldr?

[thin steeple]

When did hive scum suddenly become so tanky? I can pretty much solo the new map, doing sites of interest all by myself while the rest of my team works on their sites of interest. It's very efficient. But I remember hive scrum being so weak at first. Is it my skill improving, or did the talent reworks get so much better or what?

[astral canyon]

there is no more glass on this cannon

[echo python]

Some stuff was made baseline and base toughness was slightly increased

Of course, since pickpocket can only activate on a melee attack the class has now been nerfed into oblivion and can't function any more

The gamers have said so

[thin steeple]

Oh I'm a chem dependency rampager with my crowbar and quick-draw revolver

[mighty belfry]

Hive scum was never truly that squishy with the appropriate setups tbf

[thin steeple]

Yeah, maybe it's my talent choices. I can't share screenshots on here yet, but I basically took all the defensive talents I could.

I started out as zealot main in this game, played that almost exclusively for a couple years, but lately I think psyker and hivescum are my two fav classes!

[unkempt salmon]

Expeditions are breaking my heart atm

I keep getting jumped by dogs with no wind-up or cue

[spice mural]

Malice expeditions?

[prime violet]

Well it's still better than the average havoc experience of "why you no bring crate?!"

[spice mural]

Crate? More like crutch!

(That was a joke, it’s really good)

[worn portal]

how do i rashad? it doesnt swing fast enough and trash mobs like morbians get hits in

i guess im using it too much like tac axe

do i use the special ever?

[zenith fern]

Eh as i learned to use a lot of the rashad on arby is quite situational

might use it for a quick stagger hit

[worn portal]

i guess arby always has the option to push everything down

im watching gameplay of it and i should learn how to do this slide overhead heavy

maybe the dodge melee on slide talent be worth getting

[calm aurora]

it is exactly like emperor's fist on Arbites

[calm aurora]

HS was a grass cannon all along

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-chilling-relax-merryjane-snoop-dog-gif-10431620193504603976

[astral canyon]

rampage and adrenaline

[worn portal]

is it for a wall of attack speed or am i relying on a particular move set?

im runing crates for team cause of blight spread

[low harbor]

rashad is always rampage + adrenaline

[worn portal]

ooooh

[low harbor]

for crate, use smth else

[worn portal]

the gameplay looks 80% like paul bunyan simulator

overhead overhead overhead

[low harbor]

no it's more than that

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shining-stanley-kubrick-jack-nicholson-here's-johnny-ax-gif-9242169755075505743

[low harbor]

rashad melee hive scum is a level of op incomprehensible to the avg player

[compact oyster]

comes with a receding hairline

[calm aurora]

what is your build btw?

[compact oyster]

inb4 scum chainweapon crits generate a toxin stack on each tick

[low harbor]

full cooldown stim (kalma V) 45s

[low harbor]

still gets mogged by rashad

lol

[worn portal]

what ranged weapon

[verbal dew]

guessing bolt pistol

[low harbor]

dual stub

[calm aurora]

whay channel devastation

[low harbor]

7.5% dmg normally, 15% on dodge

[calm aurora]

oh

[low harbor]

I don't run street tough here cuz it's already op build

only use street tough for bonesaw on crate

[calm aurora]

virulent strain needed?

[low harbor]

no but it's just more dmg & very easily accessible

throw 1 blackout or melee kill 1 elite

to debuff a bunch of enemies near u

[calm aurora]

if you don't go blackout, would you take hypercritical?

[low harbor]

I could?

but I like blackout a lot for rashad

u could go rocket but that's too op for this imo

rashad is already giga op on hvs

[calm aurora]

your gun is the bistol?

[low harbor]

dual stub

I like my chud 1034 in 1 headshot pistol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

if u want to be slimiest meta abuser run smth like rashad + rampage + adrenaline + needle pistol (with pickpocket) + rocket + extra blitz charge

[mighty belfry]

Wondering if it's more worth having cleave or ATW on mk6 knife for rampage 🤔

[neat valley]

was the hive scum prophesized?

[astral canyon]

that is just water cartel stuff

they were already something stabilished for a long time

[jovial heron]

pffffffff hive scum don't wear shirts

[flat mist]

What an incredibly useless interaction

[mighty belfry]

That. Would actually be a pretty good interaction tbh

[flat mist]

You're going to be oneshotting with a rev crit anyway, and on a boss you'd still need like 4 rev crits to approach 30 stacks

[jovial heron]

“Just hold that pose bosseretic……for like 4 chain saw revs”

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-doing-something-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i'm-working-on-something-i'm-busy-with-something-gif-14573291211869618074

[glacial jay]

Is there like a current tier list of weapons for scum? I know that crowbar and bonesaw are trash.

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1345517449256108195/Home_run.gif

[jovial heron]

Combat blade 6 is good, combat axe Rashad, tactical axe, shivs, heavy sword with the rig but build

[bronze glade]

mk3 knife better

[glacial jay]

No chain stuff?

[jovial heron]

Chain stuff is forever sad

Run the chainaxe

[glacial jay]

Sigh. They really underpowered them, huh. I'd been hoping they'd be buffed.

[bronze glade]

chaxe is good

[glacial jay]

It's kinda like putting an ogryn in to the squad and ignoring that they could literally tear a space marine in two.

[rough peak]

The evicerator got some love

[glacial jay]

Alas, not scum weapon though. I do love it on my zealot.

[rough peak]

But that's zealot

Yeah

[glacial jay]

WHY NOT CHAIN SHIVS

CMON BOYS

Nah, that'd be terrible. one snag and they'd rip out your hand and fly off.

[jovial heron]

The worlds tiniest one stroke motor

[rough peak]

Chain bonesaw

[glacial jay]

Bonesaw needs its own fixing.

[rough peak]

Okay, hear me out... Chain crowbar

[low harbor]

It would still be ass

[low harbor]

#veteran-class message

Covers all melee weapons

[rough peak]

Wait, the mk3 shivs are on the same tier as the mk1 shivs?

[jovial heron]

Careful lots of Combat axe propaganda

[low harbor]

I did not say that

But I think they’re not that far apart atm

[livid raven]

i mean you did

[low harbor]

Wait

Yea typo mb

[worn portal]

assault chain axe?

[low harbor]

I’ll fix

[rough peak]

That's why I was confused

[low harbor]

Ok done

[rough peak]

[livid raven]

uh did you remove shivs 3 from the list entirely

[rough peak]

Better, I'll take it that the mk1 dclaw is so bad it can't even make the list

[low harbor]

If a variant is significantly ahead, I’m only gonna look at that variant for this list

[livid raven]

but you said it isn't

[low harbor]

Since u can just swap variants for free anyway

[rough peak]

Fair

[worn portal]

thunnder hammer slander

[low harbor]

This is actually bumped up

[worn portal]

Gasp

https://tenor.com/view/kingbluprint-gif-21436316

[low harbor]

I was gonna put it in t3

[rough peak]

It's on the same tier as the oggy clubs

[low harbor]

But headtaker + slaughterer + both impact talents kinda save it

[worn portal]

i feel like that reddit meme of the partier in the corner thinking about my stealth

[low harbor]

TH gets t2 because double strength blessings + double impact talents makes it flexible enough as an actual melee weapon outside the boss gimmick

[rough peak]

To be fair, I don't disagree with path on the thammer's ranking... And I love the crucis thammer

[low harbor]

But on a thrust bossing setup, t3 for sure

[worn portal]

'boss gimmick'

last mission just got merked by a bunch of bosses

[low harbor]

Dedicated bossing is overrated

Everyone should be able to do boss dps anyway

[rough peak]

It's just quality of life, rather than something that's needed... and it can also be detrimental if it lessens your ability to deal with everything else

[mighty belfry]

It is a gimmick

It gives way too much up in terms of being a melee weapon for a particular gimmick that it can already be somewhat decent at without so much investment while being a lot more generalist

And it's also just unnecessary if your team can already amass great boss dps.

[rough peak]

The 2 veterans with boltguns and krak grenades:

[worn portal]

veteran on my team likes smokes

[mighty belfry]

Also another thing

That build kinda makes you a bit of a liability.

[rough peak]

It's always great when I see the boss with randos and all of a sudden they become competent enough to kill something (the boss)

[mighty belfry]

Cuz since you've invested so much in burst damage, you can't really handle hordes as well. And if you're overwhelmed, well there's just not much to be done.

Unless you run shroudfield. Meaning you're gonna be aggro dumping a ton on your team anytime you're in a really bad spot.

[rough peak]

I was running that with the relic blade earlier and it felt so weird to have that instead of chastise

[mighty belfry]

I like shroud relic

[rough peak]

It was good, it just felt weird

[low harbor]

Btw punishment kinda isn’t that bad on zealot rn

[mighty belfry]

I never thought it was bad

[low harbor]

It’s sorta just +40% impact whenever ur not fighting crushers or bulwarks

[mighty belfry]

Zealot is just stretched for points.

[low harbor]

On weapons that do cleave

[low harbor]

Nah before when it needed 3 enemies hit in one atk it was bad

[rough peak]

I remember when you could stagger nurgle blessed enemies with it

[mighty belfry]

Wait.

Did they change it?

[low harbor]

It’s 2 enemies hit in one atk to stack

So as long as u have >12.5 cleave on ur atk u can activate this vs pretty much everything that isn’t carapace or boss

[mighty belfry]

I didn't realize it got changed.

[rough peak]

Then again... I remember when you had to light spam for horde clear with the thammer as well...

[low harbor]

So pretty much every zealot can get +90% impact on weakspot vs most enemies

This has hilarious implications if u haven’t yet realized

[rough peak]

Oh, that is quite useful

Ty for letting me know

I can be a discount arby now

90% more impact definitely can help prevent more chip damage tho

[jovial heron]

Wait is Paul goated now

[mighty belfry]

Been

Well it was more recent but yeah

[rough peak]

Apparently, I definitely trust path when it comes to darktide stuff

[jovial heron]

Yeah the patch that added Street tough so the most recent patch (not hotfix)

[glacial jay]

MY LIFE FOR A PAIR OF SHORTS ON THE SCUM, OBESE FISH

Or give me a cholo flannel shirt

[low harbor]

#psyker-class message

[glacial jay]

Reject the cartel swag

[rough peak]

They have a sort of chain mail outfit

[jovial heron]

Do you remember what exactly is allowing this godlike stagger?

[low harbor]

slam + impactful

just the 2 stagger talents on og

lol

[jovial heron]

Huh

That’s crazy

No blessing interaction?

[low harbor]

skullcrusher

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactionseditor-interesting-hmm-3oKIPlLZEbEbacWqOc

[plucky nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-perfume-gif-14437365

us playing pox gas havoc rn

[mighty belfry]

I want to say btw

Pocket rockets

Not bad at all.

[unkempt salmon]

75 missions deep into Scum

Not one 17% Toughness Curio

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[narrow escarp]

I have a question about her needle pistol and specifically the chem toxin damage since does it count as a “ranged kill” in her talents?

[bronze glade]

unless you kill the enemy with the physical impact of the needle, it's not a ranged kill

[narrow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

Sad

[bronze glade]

not like needler needs help tbh

it's really powerful even with literally nothing invested

[worn portal]

ive been getting highest boss damage in my last few games with that even though i barely interact with boss

[flat mist]

What do you prefer about the mk3

[rough peak]

Probably the higher single target dps from the heavies, the mk6 just has the higher capable dps from push attack spam since it has a faster push attack x.x

I don't like the mk3 knife myself

[mighty belfry]

Safer single target

And the light spam is arguably better.

[narrow escarp]

It doesn’t but I had talents for the ranged kills give toughness and not melee and I was wondering why I kept dying instantly to everything even though they were dying

[mighty belfry]

You are not regenning enough toughness with that

Needler simply is not compatible with that talent.

[narrow escarp]

Ik

But you just told me that

I didn’t know that before hand

I have the chem toxin talents at the bottom of the tree but they weren’t cutting it

[mighty belfry]

If I'm correct. The only time it procs with that talent is with those who are actually hit by the needle. Which

Isn't great.

[narrow escarp]

It does like zero contact damage

[mighty belfry]

Yeag

[limber cradle]

Damage is an optimal dump stat for it it's so worthless

[narrow escarp]

Is stability also a fine dump stat?

[limber cradle]

I think you want stability to keep it more precise

[unreal stirrup]

run and gun + stripped down is like the only correct way to build needler

[flat mist]

I always cringe when i see desperado bc its literally only an extra 0.2 or 0.4 stacks per shot depending on the mk you're using

[astral canyon]

I always cringe when i see

[unreal stirrup]

I always cringe

[flat mist]

Anyone here run uptime mod? Im really curious what your average rampage duration is because i was surprised to work out mine is only 15-16 stacks

[unreal stirrup]

just hit shit

I don't have access to my pc atm

also you need the subnode that give 1s back when hitting elite

[flat mist]

Bro thats really not the point lmao

And i know what nodes to run

Sorry for pass agg @unreal stirrup

What im interested in is whether my gameplay habits are lacking. Im possibly a) activating rampage when i shouldnt, and b) disengaging from melee too often

Any uptime screenshots when you're at your pc would be appreciated
Or just tell me your average pulverizing strikes stack, thats how you calculate it

[fast surge]

if you're looking at avg stacks for rampage it is probably low because it takes into account all the time you spend at lower stacks

so if you have rampage up for 30 seconds that is like the same as 15 avg stacks in uptime

heres one from a CIVI I did

[mighty belfry]

for some reason it isn't averaging my time out

but

[fast surge]

oh wait thats adrenaline frenzy

can you even see rampage stacks

[fast surge]

in uptime

[mighty belfry]

i've never seen it on my uptime

but, if the percentage is anything to go by, there you go

huh

though it just occured to me on average through most of my games, i'm in rampage half or more of the duration of the game

cool

[flat mist]

@mighty belfry @fast surge you calculate average duration via pulverizing strikes stacks. The formula is (45 + 10n)/(9+n)=pulverizing strikes stacks. N+10 is the average duration.

[flat mist]

So average duration here is about 28s

I think im just playing like a wuss (way too defensively and relying on needle pistol)

[unreal stirrup]

rampage recover so fast anyway

plus you have stim during downtime

[flat mist]

You werent running pulverizing strikes here (or the mod is bugged for you)

@mighty belfry averaging 28s in rampage is fucking nuts btw

[mighty belfry]

I'm a very aggressive player

[flat mist]

And a very good player

[mighty belfry]

Idk, just comes naturally

That was with mk3 knife

That game was fun even if we lost

[flat mist]

Your average stam is interesting to me too

I wonder what it would be if you added/removed regained posture

[mighty belfry]

I do not have regained posture.

[flat mist]

Added then

[mighty belfry]

If it was mk6

Maybe.

[flat mist]

Wait so you're not PA spamming at all in that game?

[mighty belfry]

Not push attack spamming

But I do PA + L + L a lot

It's surprisingly good for dense hordes.

While still keeping the good attacks for HV transfers

[flat mist]

Could you run your next mk3 knoife game with regained just to see how high your stam averages? Really curious

[mighty belfry]

Sure.

Probably gonna eat and then I'll try it out.

I suppose if you're worried about being too passive.

All I can say is, trust your fundamentals.

You are averaging well over double your damage during rampage, with a huge DR buff. Take risks.

Okay maybe not averaging because you have to wait for Rampage to build up to the full 75% possible, but still.

[flat mist]

Probably close to double with the attack speed boost and increased HV scaling

[mighty belfry]

Actually yeah with HV considered, you're peaking well over double.

I actually took half a BoNs health that game too because of the ramping lol

[flat mist]

I'm definitely withdrawing from melee way too often to use needle pistol. I should run more havocs with bistol or something so im forced not to do that.

[mighty belfry]

I'd recommend.

I only used needle that game because honestly

I hate to be that one

[flat mist]

A H36 i did yesterday i had like 700k melee and 900k toxin damage

[mighty belfry]

But my team

Was not really doing the best damage lol

[flat mist]

I had chem nades to be fair tho

[mighty belfry]

But I strongly recommend AoE Bistol

Temu blackouts basically.

[flat mist]

Yeah i love aoe bistol im just not that confident in myself at H35+ so i default to my strongest picks

[mighty belfry]

Look, if you've already made it to those ranks.

You've proven your mettle.

If you're worried that you're not gonna do well trying something else, well, that's just gonna push you to pull it off even harder ime

Challenging yourself with different things is how you get better.

dw about the fact that I did relent to needle because I was the only one doing boss damage that game

we don't gotta talk about that

[flat mist]

Ill run bistol next time im havocing for sure

[mighty belfry]

In my honest opinion

If you really know how to put out melee damage

It's a better fit for Rampage than Needle

In my honest opinion.

If only, because it is an immediate specialist/ranged unit staggerer

And it also means you don't really need blackouts for an immediate stagger so you can use another blitz while having that safety.

[flat mist]

Very true actually

Ive been running no on demand stagger

Probably a big contributor to the passiveness

Silly orc

[mighty belfry]

That's why blackouts are my favorite blitz for rampage, even with bistol cuz lethal proxed chem blackouts are funny

[flat mist]

@mighty belfry how relevant do you reckon bleed is on bistol in H40? i way prefer run n gun bc its comfy but maybe i should just get used to not having it

[mighty belfry]

I prefer it, but Run 'n Gun is also valid.

Just nice for the sake of ensuring kills I might not have been able to get without it.

And I mean, it is a small dose of sustained boss damage, even if not much.

[flat mist]

I need to do some BP calcs with double taps on specials and gunners

[mighty belfry]

Honestly, I should test that myself. Never really did.

I run Maniacs and Unarmored

[flat mist]

unarmoured for dreg gunner?

[mighty belfry]

Actually, it's for pox bombers lol

[flat mist]

those fuckers

i wonder if specialist damage would get you the same BP

[mighty belfry]

I scale my perks on "how fast do I need this specific thing to die"

Specialists are top of my list and those happen to align the best

[flat mist]

the nice thing about melee scum's ranged BPs is that theres almost no buff variables other than stimm

[mighty belfry]

Yeah, it should be an easy test. Just, lazy on my end lol

[flat mist]

some classes (eg scriers psyker) calculating BPs is borderline pointless

oh shit i just realised why ive been dying using combat axe. id forgotten alley cat means you have a longer minimum time between dodges...

fuck that. my brain needs my min dodge spam timing to be consistent

[mighty belfry]

There's also the consideration that bleed DoT hits flak centermass harder than unarmored centermass

Better ADM

[flat mist]

Yeah i was thinking that too when i asked if it was for about dreg gunner

[mighty belfry]

Yeah dreg gunner is considered "flak"

Ironically enough.

You know what else is considered flak?

Scab ragers lol

[jovial heron]

That’s why I like needle pistol. Stripped down and ghost

[flat mist]

i refuse to believe ghost gets value

[jovial heron]

Yeah you would cause it requires accuracy

[flat mist]

genuinely accurate

i suck at aiming

[jovial heron]

I usually am that’s why I use ghost

[flat mist]

do u run scoreboard that shows your weakspot rates krieg

[jovial heron]

Run and gun is great too. But too often I find myself having to clean up gunners and I would like a little grace if I can hit weakspots

[jovial heron]

Let me check

[jovial heron]

Stimm Supply game but its skewed cause sometimes I just quick body shot. Especially bosses to just get stacks on.

[mighty belfry]

ohey it trauma

[flat mist]

yeah my needle pistol WS rate is like 7%

i just aim for body

[vernal sluice]

I wouldn't think anyone bothers aiming for ws with it

[flat mist]

LMAO I LIED

1%

[jovial heron]

get more stacks shrug

[jovial heron]

"what is gun"

[flat mist]

1% is so funny lmfao

[unreal stirrup]

tbf needler pistol is the weapon where weakspot is more of a bonus than necessary

[jovial heron]

Yep

[mighty belfry]

A SLO SATURDAY NIGHT IN HAVOC LAND

i'm trying 2 test regained posture

and took off cleave node

[verbal dew]

I've been having fun with crate spam

[mighty belfry]

honestly, same

[verbal dew]

just this with shivs and needler

[bronze crown]

Since the new patch the Autopistols are bugged and firing blanks? 😭

[zenith fern]

deserved

kill smgs

[bronze crown]

Why do you hate them?

The are canon. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Autopistol

[zenith fern]

because they boring

[verbal dew]

very

[reef spoke]

they should replace the suppressor with a loudener

would be a lot more fun

[mighty belfry]

https://gyazo.com/062d2105c3f909891bb3c4e3152a5ef9

Honestly.

Kinda pointless.

In practice it actually doesn't seem to affect much.

[flat mist]

intriguing

[mighty belfry]

Probably because I'm not really spamming PA enough to see a noticeable difference.

With mk6, it's probably different

also lol https://gyazo.com/307e5fe960e393c42f1817386a026cb3

did not win

but it is what it is

This is my mk3 knife propaganda for the night

honestly

this test did provide something

I really don't need cleave node like

At all

...

Ramping Backstabs 8)

It may not be optimal

But I'm going to have fun absolutely decimating bosses

[rough peak]

mk1 dclaw propaganda when?

[mighty belfry]

never

[rough peak]

Thank the emperor, the orc gods, the eldar gods, the chaos gods, and whatever warhammer 40k gods I'm not remembering for you not thinking about doing that

[mighty belfry]

I love mk7

Cannot like mk1 at all

[rough peak]

The mk1 has always been ass

[flat mist]

Why are the crit and weakspot values so low?

[mighty belfry]

Honestly?

I'm not sure.

I don't know how PowerDI calculates that.

[flat mist]

Its just blatantly wrong?

Weird

[rough peak]

Know what's funny? The last time I used the knife on zealot my crit rate was higher than my weakspot rate, despite me trying to hit weakspots as often as I could

[mighty belfry]

i know damage is correct because I've matched it with Scoreboard before to make sure.

[flat mist]

Idk about zealot but thats how it should be on scum knife/shivs

[rough peak]

but that would mean your missing weakspots like 30%-40% of the time

or more

cause the crit rate of like 60% is higher than your weakspot rate

[flat mist]

50% weakspot rate is pretty standard on scoreboards i see

[rough peak]

to be fair you can't help how enemies get staggered by the oggy/arby/punishment zealot

[flat mist]

Dont remember ever seeing above 70% weakspot rate

[rough peak]

I've never payed attention to crit/weakspot rate for me(cause of my bad aim) until that knife run on zealot

[flat mist]

@mighty belfry probably averages like 80% because she's goated

[rough peak]

I average probably like -25% weakspot rate cause I can miss the broad side of a barn at point blank with a shotgun

[flat mist]

Look at this

#hivescum-class message

[mighty belfry]

OF COURSE I GET BARRELLEDDDD

[rough peak]

I do over-exaggerate my bad aim, but, when it sucks it sucks... otherwise it's decent

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

And this

Weakspot rate in 40s is normal

[rough peak]

hitboxes 101: You're gonna miss the sweetspot, get tf over it

[flat mist]

The highest in those two games is 59% and thats a psyker with like ~7% melee damage whos presumably lining up headshots on dogs and muties

[rough peak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/keyboard-hyperx-4

[rough peak]

There's 2 things I pay the most attention to on scoreboards: Disablers killed and Damage taken

[verbal dew]

here's one of mine from last season

[flat mist]

Four havoc 40 games almost all ws rates in 40s

[rough peak]

I don't pay as much attention to damage dealt cause I'm a loot goblin, so more often than not I don't do as good of damage as I could have cause of looting

[verbal dew]

you can do both

[rough peak]

Well yeah

I do

[verbal dew]

just not loot behind where everyone else is at

[rough peak]

but the denser enemies are usually away from the loot which is to the side

I blame Ainz for that

Granted I'm not playing havoc, so I can get away with some extra lootin

[reef spoke]

Just loot anyways c:

Trappers are a myth

Specialists target solo players? Nonsense.

Go alone into that dark alley UwU

[rough peak]

Me on my way to disappoint every player worth their salt by getting trapped by the 1 trapper that I saw coming from 50m away with my gun out:

[reef spoke]

as the Grandfather Emperor would have wanted c:

[rough peak]

Exactly, this person gets it

[neat delta]

Lmfao

[zenith fern]

LMAO

The snap turn with the voice

[low harbor]

same way as scoreboard I think

which means it's not actually "accurate" to crit chance

it's crit rate (#crit hits/#total hits)

the caveat is that hits are countered per enemy hit by attack

an extreme example would be
u do 2 attacks, one attack is crit, the other isn't
the crit attack hits 1 enemy, but the non-crit attack hits 9 enemies
crit rate would report 1 crit hit out of 10 total hits, so 10% (when ur actual crit chance in this case was 50%)

[flat mist]

Pretty sure scoreboard doesnt do that

Or it would be showing completely unrealistic numbers like power di in that example

[low harbor]

idk, ask the guy who made the plugin how they calculate crit "chance"

wasn't it ovenproof that made it?

then he made powerDI?

[flat mist]

Yes

[low harbor]

should be same calculation then

[flat mist]

Ive literally never seen a scoreboard with numbers like that power DI report but ill ask

[low harbor]

also uh, powerDI crit/weakspot rates are for all attacks

including the ones that can't crit or hit weakspot I think?

[flat mist]

Well that'd be why they're so astoundingly low

[low harbor]

which drags the overall number down (but u can expand that tab to see melee/ranged weakspot or crit rates)

[north saddle]

One of you gents gave me his build for stub pistols gunner build a while ago. Can i have that again pls?

Or wait

Might have been this one

[low harbor]

I would recommend u grab sticky hands for ranged builds

[north saddle]

What would that do again?

[low harbor]

+40% swap speed (all items)
-10% recoil in hip/brace fire
-30% spread in hip/brace fire

[north saddle]

Keep in mind this aint a build i devised. I dont even know If the picture i just posted is even the right one lmao

[north saddle]

Makes sense

[flat mist]

i screwed up actually pulling off the two stack rager kill but this is still pretty damn funny https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/aLR3WN

[zenith fern]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/809?tab=description

This looks insteresting

[low harbor]

it has some cheat-like features but is overall rly good

[zenith fern]

which cheat like features?

[low harbor]

the main one is that u can have outlines on every enemy all the time

u can have that off tho

[zenith fern]

Oh i did not even saw the outlines

at least is optional

[low harbor]

there's also a feature that specifically outlines certain enemies while they're doing special attacks like overhead or firing a trapnet

which is kind of cheat-like but alr imo

health bars are very customizable and will get increasingly more so prob

I have my healthbars set up to look like this

diamonds always show as simple indicator
and number shows up after I damage them to show how much health they have remaining

[zenith fern]

that looks like a bethesda enemy health bar ui

I fuck with that

[low harbor]

u can also configure enemy health bar's color

[zenith fern]

Honestly might really grab the mod, does it let you have the debuff icons only?

[low harbor]

I have white for melee elites & bosses, blue for ranged elites & specialists, and yellow for disabler specialists

[low harbor]

don't think there's a way to show only debuff icon but not debuff stacks

atm anyway

it's very much a work-in-progress and it'll get updated

I like the health diamonds a lot

easy way to see enemy hp level without obstructing view much

normal health bars just look ugly in comparison

also diamonds make it easy to tell how many enemies ur actually fighting

so that u know how many bulwarks are in a bulwark blob

[unique dagger]

idk man

too cheaty for my taste

[low harbor]

that's fair

[unique dagger]

I was fine with it until outlines

[low harbor]

I think health bar indicators are kinda cheap in this game

I just don't use outlines outside of the special atk stuff

I do like being able to see a mauler overheading inside a bulwark

as opposed to zero warning instadeath

[compact oyster]

nut healthbar

[lost ravine]

illuminati health bar

👁️ 

👁️ 👁️
👁️

[low harbor]

it reminded me more of the battlefield enemy spot tag

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/2o58JV

tox is fair and balanced

[zenith pagoda]

Give us flame toxin staff

[unreal stirrup]

crowbar finally good?????

real????

[flat mist]

imagine your whole purpose to exist just being superiority

wait that is my purpose

[unreal stirrup]

personally i use latency compensation for trapper

it work for mutant n stuff but only as wiremesh rn

[unreal stirrup]

you can disable it

[unique dagger]

that's like saying you can have a mod with aimbot - you can disable it too

I draw a line at wallhacks bro

outlining every enemy in your pov is straight up cheating it is not QoL

similar to skitarius, you can disable the macros for tac axe / deimos but it is straight up cheating to use it

[unreal stirrup]

the health bar is better than the current one atm

but i don't think alf gonna separate them into 2 different mod

[rough peak]

Eh, I still would prefer spidey sense. Sometimes even spidey sense fails and doesn't show the specials you have markers for, so sometimes you still get silent trappered

And I don't mean when there are a ton of specials, sometimes it happens when there's only 2 or 3

[calm aurora]

Can we just have diamonds?

[calm aurora]

What kind of macro do you want to use for taxe? The single target combo?

[rich hornet]

Yeah in Minecraft

[flat mist]

Whats minecraft?

[rich hornet]

video game

[flat mist]

Still confused

[rich hornet]

Its a videogame made by Mojang

[calm aurora]

The JK Rowling of video games 🙂

[flat mist]

Hyper violence is so weird with bromentum

Sometimes stacks twice in one hit but not always

[unreal stirrup]

@flat mist hey babe

tide?

[astral canyon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LbVDJQTT5o4?si=2N3laxxSLi_x8ziL

[tacit solstice]

hey! does anyone know why my sensitivity is so low on the daggers for hive scum?

its very annoying

[unique dagger]

taxe 4 special cancel

[wide burrow]

i would assume dart pistol setup is just full mobility/ranged immunity?

[verbal dew]

run n gun, stripped down ye

[tacit solstice]

anyone know @ me

[verbal dew]

sensitivity?

like mouse sensitivity?

[tacit solstice]

yeah

normal weapons are ok sens but the daggers are just very slow

[low harbor]

ye

[wide burrow]

what's the difference between the two needle guns?

[compact oyster]

one spreads toxin on a toxin death to other enemies

the other does a mass stagger on toxin death

[wide burrow]

is there any real point to using blue?

[low harbor]

I was bugging alf about it, I actually want hp diamond (constant) + remaining health number above (shows when damaged, but no health bar)
maybe in next few updates

[jovial heron]

Can be fun when chaff horde is dense but I think you are better off trying to crouch and aim for heads to hopefully pierce through if the dregs are tight enough

With yellow mode

[calm aurora]

it is actually useful when there's a chokepoint

[ancient basin]

If you are at high ammo you can spare some mags on hordes if you want to soften them up in blue dot spread mode. Otherwise if you are in the infinite loop you have to be more restrained so that you get a special kill to refill it before a crusher spawns to bonk you.

its a ranged option though, if you are in the thick of it its probably better to just swing with your melee rather than trying to weave needle shots into your rotation for extra horde clear

[low harbor]

I agree dats why I don't use that function
and I'm too lazy to suggest removing the perma outline function to alf

[calm aurora]

how do you get the diamonds?

[low harbor]

I can send u my settings for this mod

[calm aurora]

yes

[low harbor]

dm

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/zo28kr

hive scum is fair and balanced

[mighty belfry]

I see your HUD

I feel like you'd like the HUD mod I have

[flat mist]

Which one?

[limber cradle]

https://youtu.be/wY4N5NOAsH0?si=x5FqmEaTAhB8SJb9

[mighty belfry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/813&ved=2ahUKEwj51NCF0vqTAxULBUQIHV6nGREQFnoECCMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25l7BHDgQM6WuYqm8lYWJJ

Very shrimple interface

Oh

It

What the fuck

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/813

I take off the specialist notifications but I do keep on the team notifications because I sometimes do in fact get too lost in the sauce killing everything lmaooo

Let's me compress all the needed info into one spot

I like it

[flat mist]

I downloaded that yesterday but havent played around with it properly yet

[mighty belfry]

It's really nice actually.

Recommend if you're looking for something really simplistic.

[flat mist]

Oh i didnt have precision violence or burst on in this clip

And its 5am and ive never used combat blade on scum outside of the psykhanium

What an absurd class

[mighty belfry]

Honestly

I'm starting to think even mk3 is better than shivs

[flat mist]

Yeah i think so

[wide burrow]

shivs have a lot more range

i was actually shocked when using them

[mighty belfry]

Maybe. But knife maneuverability combined with scum's dodge talents kinda solve the range issue.

You can just play like an angry electron going back and forth everywhere lol

[tacit solstice]

WHY IS MY SENS SO LOW WITH THE DAGGERS ON HIVE SCUM

[calm aurora]

do you use mods?

[calm aurora]

always was

[unreal stirrup]

it can't ramp hv damage as much as mk6

light is also worse than shiv

[mighty belfry]

It can tbh

[tacit solstice]

me? no

[trim wind]

do you use seperate sens for ranged/melee, if that's even an option

[mighty belfry]

It is.

[tacit solstice]

huh

which one is melee?

[calm aurora]

the first one iirc

[tacit solstice]

ahh idk which one it was but I took all of them higher

thanks!!!!

[jovial heron]

Goblin is to Knife scum as Path is to combat Axe scum

[proper ether]

In havoc which would be better for me to use rampage or med pack? I know med pack is good as you can buff the whole team the only problem I find with pubs is that I’m often just using it on myself. Can I just use rampage with shivs to nuke ragers and crushers quicker?

[mighty belfry]

I'm just on a mk3 knife kick right now.

It feels more

"Ethical"

[jovial heron]

We are scum. No ethics!

[jovial heron]

I personally believe rampage is better. I only use stimm pack to counter act blight

Dead things can’t hurt/damage the team

[proper ether]

So medipack for blight spreads otherwise use rampage?

[verbal dew]

yeah for melee builds

you could prob make some more crate support build work with better buffs but you prob need a team that's geared for it in havoc

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/krQwQK

[jovial heron]

I think Hive scum shines as a DPS class more than support. However if the team has a lot of DPS already or again Blight or Pox Gas then you could make an argument for stimm supply. It’s also a good option for a toxin focus because of the booby trap subnode making it a big explosion

[flat mist]

let myself get surrounded and didnt use my blackouts but bruh wtf

[wide burrow]

does hive scum make good use of the chain axe?

[flat mist]

crushers all died though xD

[jovial heron]

It’s pretty good but I think an example of why I don’t prefer knife. Also WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY FRAMES

[jovial heron]

It’s pretty good actually

[wide burrow]

i imagine rampage and/or attack speed/strength cartel special would both make it an insane pick

though i wonder if the lack of zealot and vet's sustainability would stop it from reaching the heights it does on those classes

[jovial heron]

Scums wild attack speed buffs, damage buffs, cleave buffs, access to crit chance mean you can really make a ton of melee weapons shine

[wide burrow]

i saw a pinned heavy sword build so i do imagine basically anything works well

[jovial heron]

It’s one of those classes where most anything can work and it’s kind of fun to play around and find niche shit

[wide burrow]

hive scum is ridiculously strong

i was carrying teams as a lvl 29 in auric

just need to get proper gear so i can run havoc now, because this might make me change from a havoc zealot player to a scummer

[jovial heron]

Yep high DPS with some really good survivability

[flat mist]

In what way? Just because they're kinda brain dead and OP?

[mighty belfry]

Honestly

That's what it is

[flat mist]

Seriously though how have i never used a hyper violence mod before

[jovial heron]

Nah I think in dense groups and surrounded the curtailed range of the knife makes it tough

[mighty belfry]

Mk3 just doesn't feel as braindead to me

But yeah, that's always gonna be an issue with knife.

[wide burrow]

mk3 is the stab heavy?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

[flat mist]

Seeing my overkill numbers hit 25k is so addictive

[mighty belfry]

Also

Ramping Backstabs

There is no denying that it just kinda makes your boss damage explode.

Might not be optimal.

But deleting Rindidn't in literally a second with push stab combo was extremely satisfying lmao

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/counter-strike-hotdog-spinning-butterfly-knife-rgx-butterfly-knife-gif-25808557

[ancient basin]

devil claw high stamina attack speed build into bosses is funny

parry all day

stack huge toxin

win

[wide burrow]

taking tips on what to grab and what not to grab

[jovial heron]

With the right blessings it’s funny to watch a parry put a crusher on its ass

[mighty belfry]

Take that darn 4 stack subnode off.

[wide burrow]

this is what i'm running right now with shivs and needle pistol

but it's more cdr ;-;

[mighty belfry]

You are significantly better off with toughness node

[wide burrow]

and more crit

[jovial heron]

Move the 4 stack to TDR and you don’t really need longer stims. It increases how long the cooldown of stim is

[mighty belfry]

It is, but it's not worth the loss to TDR

And having your stimms be a toughness healer is actually useful.

[wide burrow]

does it increase the cooldown, though?

doesn't say anywhere

[jovial heron]

Yeah stim doesn’t go into cooldown UNTIL stim uptime is over so 5 seconds longer means 5 seconds ADDED to the cooldown

[mighty belfry]

Yes. You can't get Stimm cooldown until the duration ends.

And 4 stack subnode makes using more viscous stimms kinda awkward.

[wide burrow]

okay we're here now

[mighty belfry]

I'd take something off to fit Float Like a Butterfly

[wide burrow]

we're already at 29/30 so taking that

[mighty belfry]

I also will say.

You're losing a lot of survivability without Burst of Energy.

[jovial heron]

This is what I prefer to run

[mighty belfry]

That talent is arguably class defining for Scum imho

[wide burrow]

what would i take off?

[wide burrow]

one day i will run rampage, but that day isn't today, just yet

wait i'm griefing. i had sticky hands while not using stub pistols anymore

[mighty belfry]

Yeah

I was gonna say.

[jovial heron]

Haha when I face blight

[wide burrow]

i see the reason for blackout now

sucks i need boom bringer for penances and it'll take me a while to be done with it, but pocket toxin makes blackout make sense

[mighty belfry]

It makes sense without pocket toxin

Instant stagger is nothing to scoff at.

[jovial heron]

Blackout is super nice into dense mixed hordes to buy you time. get hyperviolence going ETC. with pocket toxin a blackout can destroy a chaff horde.

Hypercritical is probably not best for getting blackout regen but I love hypercritical executing. I still get blackouts just a bit slower

[wide burrow]

maybe i'm too auric brained because stagger, to me, is infinitely worse as a cc status than death is

[mighty belfry]

Honestly, yeah I've just been running both HV and HC again.

[jovial heron]

Rot armor…..

[mighty belfry]

It helps too much for ragers and mutants not to use

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[jovial heron]

I just can’t say no to executing muties and maulers

[wide burrow]

i've spent the past 20 or so hours leveling classes and the previous playing my roleplay zealot build

[mighty belfry]

Besides, HC stops eating blackout regen beyond a certain threshold anyway.

[wide burrow]

and my havoc experience is highest before rotten armor was even a thing

[mighty belfry]

And I'm good at staying in that threshold

[wide burrow]

why does HC eat blackout regen anyway? i don't see the interaction

[jovial heron]

My thing is the regenerating grenades part. CC is one thing scum doesn’t really have. It can help stun gunners so you can get in there and murder. Stop a trapper or mutie. Stumble armor packs so you can reposition

[jovial heron]

The critical execution doesn’t count as a kill

Somehow

[mighty belfry]

We don't know.

[wide burrow]

fair enough, gunners have been giving me a headache

[mighty belfry]

Haymaker still works.

Hypercrit doesn't.

Make it make sense Fatshark.

[wide burrow]

fatshark spaghetti

[jovial heron]

Yeah the combo of stripped down and blackouts has helped tremendously to close

[mighty belfry]

I honestly

Forgot how much I love proxed blackouts.

[jovial heron]

Tox blackouts are my favorite now. RPG is fun, chem grenade is fun. But being able to apply big toxin explosions in double digit amounts in a mission is fun (cause of regen)

[wide burrow]

what melee and ranged do you run with this?

needle pistol, i would assume, and shivs?

[jovial heron]

I oscillate between knife, tacaxe and shivs. Tacaxe I think is my favorite though. Needle gun for carapace and bosses and to give me another tool to apply the virulent toxin debuff.

The best part for me is needle gun means I can have quality of life blessings like stripped down and Ghost for killing gunners at range

[wide burrow]

what about the bone saw? what would be its use case?

[jovial heron]

For fun or personal challenge

[wide burrow]

so it's dookie

compared to at least those 3 mentioned above

[jovial heron]

It needs a lot of help for cleave and I think the moveset is not my favorite

Go ahead and try it out for yourself though

[wide burrow]

need money and plasteel. ran through all of my stocks leveling both paid classes

[jovial heron]

The gameplay loop keeps looping haha

[bronze glade]

really only tox builds

usable, but mid

https://tenor.com/view/i-mean-its-alright-gif-26963792

[proper ether]

Which tac axe should I use?

As well as blessing/perk recommendations

[bronze glade]

VII is generally the best

headtaker + brumentum

unarmored + carapace/unyielding

[zenith pagoda]

I beg Fatshark to give bonesaw perfect strike

Literally perfect for it

[bronze glade]

perfect strike won't save how dogshit the weapon's design is

it needs a rework completely

[zenith pagoda]

Bonesaw has high crit chance and synergy, and perfect strike will let it cleave through everything (which is one of its problems), it also means the toxin will be applied to everything so the DoT from it is more useful

It would fix the weapon imo

[bronze glade]

won't fix the moveset being a fucking joke

[vapid jungle]

A single accessible horizontal swing would go a long way

[bronze glade]

you already have that

both the heavies and the PA

very accessible

problem is, it's still a net dps loss compared to just fucking light spamming

[zenith pagoda]

The attack speed is also slower than the heavy sword I think

[low harbor]

no, perfect strike is just x25% enemy mass
the cleave is still quite low

[zenith pagoda]

I thought it completely ignores it?

Hence cleaving through carapace

[low harbor]

no, check guide

[zenith pagoda]

Wouldn't the toxin be applied to everything though?

[low harbor]

everything it can hit, yes

remember that this weapon is still abysmal dogshit at stagger