psyker-class

[vestal fulcrum]

it's mostly stamina/action speed things

[plucky flax]

Huh.. the attack speed is insane then.

[supple dock]

I'm pretty certain it also lowers peril gen

[vestal fulcrum]

and recoil/weapon handling related, I suppose

[vestal fulcrum]

That's on red

[supple dock]

huh.

[vestal fulcrum]

blue increases the amount of peril quelled*, though

[supple dock]

That's actually interesting

[plucky flax]

Hrm against static monster in meatgrinder with invisibility on red stim does more damage through out duration. But in a real game when the monster is moving about, blue is better imo since it lets you get in some attacks due to the speed/movement speed.

[lethal lagoon]

That's a professional right there

[near drift]

As if we need more evidence that time played ≠ skill

[lethal lagoon]

The kind of professional who rolls into work and needs a good 10 minute cry in their car.

[plucky flax]

Tbh those two tox bombers were moving madly.

It's impossible to hit them.

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

me as the 2/3rds

[strong gulch]

It's me.

[upper sun]

me

tbh i might have 1k hours but like 40%-50% of it at least is afk

[lethal lagoon]

This game needs to get popular again so I can find more top-tier steam discussion content

[strong gulch]

This is the way.

[upper sun]

bruh fatshark sucks ass at advertising

wanna know how i found out about the game?

[lethal lagoon]

Not really

[upper sun]

delete paragraph

[marble crater]

I just checked my playtime, that can't be accurate, it's too high

[upper sun]

by randomly spectating a friend "huh whats this they made a new 40k game? no? its 2 years old wtf"

[marble crater]

[lethal lagoon]

To me the way the game looks and describes on steam doesn't really explain what it is

It does not give the vibe of Warhammer Left 4 Dead with RPG elements

[upper sun]

i mean i might have a lot of hours in but i still wont leave a positive review until crafting is fixed

[upper sun]

GW wont allow this master peice to be compared to anything else

[cosmic sigil]

Real Asian Rebate

[plucky flax]

Rebate this

[cosmic sigil]

#auricready

[stiff falcon]

Eww

[cosmic sigil]

#soloqueuinready

[stiff falcon]

The lobby thrower

[marble crater]

All the youtubers did help me in the beginning of the game, to be fair. Some of the builds are good for new players, some help develop bad habits though

[cosmic sigil]

[stiff falcon]

Drey is a good resource

[upper sun]

rab said grind malice for plasteel

[stiff falcon]

Everyone else? Bad

[stiff falcon]

Shh don’t name drop fully

Mods don’t like that

[cosmic sigil]

A lot of them are not that good.

[upper sun]

i mean he did say it

[marble crater]

Who is rab?

[cosmic sigil]

That was true in February last year

[stiff falcon]

Yeah and he’s stupid and throws games if you don’t use the builds he makes

[cosmic sigil]

Before the first crafting update

[hasty breach]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-gif-27204795

[marble crater]

If the gif is actually meant as a response to me then I'm sorry but I don't understand

[hasty breach]

i just wanted to post the gif

it's a metaphor for the realization

[marble crater]

Fair enough

[marble crater]

Ohh, yes

[stiff falcon]

Lost one with 1 bad ogryn 1 bad vet, one somewhat okay gunps and my plasma absolutely carrying boss damage

I love doing 50 times the boss damage of the other vet

[plucky flax]

Also there's too many green modifier. I hate green trappers and dogs even more

[cosmic sigil]

Green?

[marble crater]

I understand now why people enjoy playing knife zealot...

[marble crater]

Nurgle blessing modifier

[stiff falcon]

Because it’s easy

3veg my babe

[marble crater]

It is also fun

[supple dock]

none of yall can compete

With the majesty of this

[plucky flax]

3%

[supple dock]

smd don't % shame me

[lethal lagoon]

You couldn't pay me to link something that bad.

🤢

[paper lily]

gonna lose it the amt of zealots that run not-loner with knife and run all over the place out of coherency

[upper sun]

so tru so tru

[paper lily]

the amount of disablers the game spawns is unreal

[supple dock]

Guess who's not getting put in the ground by 2 poxbursters? ME.

[upper sun]

that .04s can AND will ruin your entire run

[paper lily]

corruption resist is really good

[upper sun]

better not play psyker until you can get a 4% combat ability

[supple dock]

[paper lily]

3s off my cd NEED 4% omg

[lethal lagoon]

Why you getting hit by 2 poxbursters in between heals

[stiff falcon]

I’d vote kick someone for this ngl

[paper lily]

nah u know it shits out 2 at a time constantly

[upper sun]

id out right report them for grieving

its making me sad pls delete the curio

[stiff falcon]

Running anything else gives you less fun toys to play with

[hushed pike]

I wanna play Gunker so for Scrier's Gaze

do I want

Precognition or Reality Anchor

[paper lily]

wdym

[hushed pike]

Top or bottom perk

[stiff falcon]

Had a zealot with two wounds, he got kicked for rushing ahead and going down

[upper sun]

weakspot kill quell is nice

[stiff falcon]

I like no heals all game, keeps me on edge

[hushed pike]

That doesn't exist

[lethal lagoon]

[hushed pike]

These are my options

I can only pick one

which is better for Scrier's Gaze on my gunker

[upper sun]

🤔

[lethal lagoon]

I prefer the stacky wackies

[upper sun]

shit im thinking of DD

[lethal lagoon]

DD doesn't have that either

[paper lily]

i like to go reality anchor personally but on gun psyker probably top one

[upper sun]

THEN WHAT AM I THINKING OF

[lethal lagoon]

Also the DD quell talent is worse than BM by a longshot mathmatically

And BM isn't even good

[lethal lagoon]

You are combining the quell and weakspot kill talent in your head

[upper sun]

zamn...

[wet belfry]

precog

[stiff falcon]

Decent maelstrom but there’s also aurics I need on the map

[wet belfry]

precognotion suits far more how the rest of scriers gaze as an ability works.

[stiff falcon]

Joy

[brazen warren]

precog, because it gives you more control over when you want scriers to end and makes it more effective when you do pop it. additional peril generation also feeds into burstier toughness regeneration on top.

[hushed pike]

Best weapons to pair with gunker?

best ranged weapons i mean

My current gunker is using an Accatran

[wet belfry]

colomnus.

[brazen warren]

columnus autogun, las pistol, accatran, either revolver

different specialties and weaknesses, columnus is fairly generalist, followed by las pistol. revolvers are great for special hunting and accatran is great at add clear.

you can use them for anything, but those are usually how they work

[upper sun]

its gonna be either very easy or very hard

🤔

[brazen warren]

getting full scrier stack and unloading a mag into a beast of nurgle on damnation and watching it pop is extremely satisfying

[upper sun]

smite doesnt not lose lock from distance after it gets it

what can be done with that

[brazen warren]

cover peak special pops

its dps is not great, but it does stagger fairly well

[upper sun]

no

[brazen warren]

rightclick for untargeted pops can be decent, but you have to be very familiar with it

[upper sun]

i was thinking of holding a poxburster in place until a teammate walks by

[brazen warren]

ohhh, my bad

i read it as BB for some reason argh

my cred will never recover

[upper sun]

emperor's sleepiest guardsman

[rigid sky]

CIAG, accatran laspistol, zarona.

[brazen warren]

ehh, i usually pulse fire smite to knock over or stagger chain mobs

[near drift]

hot or not

unstable is ...probably worth keeping

[rigid sky]

Unstable is awkward but still good

Flak is flak

[upper sun]

dont bother claiming unstable 3 its not worth the melkies

[rigid sky]

Great stats

[upper sun]

yeah put slaughter and maniac on it and its good

[rigid sky]

Less than 10% of your melkbux

[upper sun]

wont know what you get as a second blessing

[near drift]

unstable as an anchor blessing if the other one is bad is what i meant

[rigid sky]

That's gotta be a take unless you have better already

[upper sun]

I think ur not milkmaxxing ur credits tbh

should get up to 40k this week usually end up buying one thing a week

[near drift]

hadron you silly goose

[stiff falcon]

Wiped

[rigid sky]

Riposte ain't bad either imo

[upper sun]

rip

[rigid sky]

Not ideal though

Would probably swap riposte to uncanny, groanwalkers to like maniac or something

[stiff falcon]

4 vets let’s gooo

[supple dock]

Tell me honestly that you've never been grabbed by a mutie then instantly ambushed by 2 busters

[brazen warren]

the ultra juggle is real, mutie throw into burster boop into mid air mutie grab into a trapper, follwed by a grenade

[cosmic sigil]

no love for graia iag or vraks 3 hh 😦

[rigid sky]

I wanna try the vraks 3 actually

No idea about the other two IAGs tbh

I kinda can't be bothered to learn them lol

[cosmic sigil]

graia is fine and valid

less recoily than ciag and 3 crit string

so not as much nut not bat at all

[rigid sky]

Tbh the CIAG recoil is a problem

[brazen warren]

I enjoy the melt columnus gives, but graia is decent for sure

[rigid sky]

But it seems to level out quickly enough

I do like making my kit more extreme though

[cosmic sigil]

i tried slaughterer riposte on og gunker build (warp charges + shriek + br) and it was very fine

like, ok there's uncanny but Big Rending is a problem that needs to be fixed at some point

[rigid sky]

While it's there you wanna use it though, idk

Feel like it would boost Better Gunker more though (riposte I mean)

More crit chance when you have DD and SG bonuses to Finesse damage

Warp charges are flat damage, CDR and a bunch of misc stuff

But anyway, gunker gets stopped generally by Crushers unless you have a piercing melee

[ornate hamlet]

we're up all night to get gunky

[rigid sky]

I prefer DS4 for gunker, Illisi almost as good but if I wanna use it again I really want to get an uncanny one

[cosmic sigil]

br + revolver

no mo' crushers

[rigid sky]

Fair enough

Zarona gunker is different

[cosmic sigil]

i have never been saved by an illisi with uncanny against a crusher :/

[rigid sky]

Not something I have tried

I usually use DS4 now as I said

1-2 head pokes

[cosmic sigil]

it's my favorite, because i can choose whatever keystone i want

[rigid sky]

I actively look for excuses to take DD

[supple dock]

There's only one excuse needed

"I want to."

[rigid sky]

If it doesn't fit the build it doesn't fit

So trauma, purgatus and Surge I do not take it

But guns and Voidstrike feel so meaty with DD

[supple dock]

Simply say "I will take it"

Literally that easy

[rigid sky]

Nah, I like them more with the other keystones

[supple dock]

[rigid sky]

Synergies are fun

[supple dock]

I mean it won't be good

But...it's...there?

[strong gulch]

If you like focusing on melee more than ranged weapons, trauma can be used to set up your melee. Arco's favorite is rending + blazing spirit for that kind of thing.

[rigid sky]

I wanna feel strong

For Trauma idk, blazing spirit is too fun to stop

Tim the Enchanter is my spirit animal

[mental grail]

Easy, but hard.

When I take purg I just think how much more fun it would be with surge or columnus

then I feel bad

[rigid sky]

Purgatus competes mostly with Trauma

[strong gulch]

The dark horse of that is surge staff with PC, wildfire, and creeping flames. You can end up applying SB stacks to things before purg and steal the warpfire damage. 🥲

[pale matrix]

what are the BiS blessings/perks for las pistol and Columnus?

[supple dock]

isn't it just dumdum + preference for columnus

idk about laspistol

[upper sun]

raking fire enjoyer here tbh

[near drift]

It's dumdum and either ghost/raking fire/infernus for mk2 laspistol

[upper sun]

infernus seems cool for mk2 but ive been VERY unlucky with laspistols

[marble crater]

I'm not surprised

[spice veldt]

interesting
duelling sword push-attacks maintain full crit/weakspot multis on subsequent targets hit

well i should've already known this

but looking at the numbers it does seem better than i thought

ah right it was only for the first three targets

[supple dock]

yee, before it was the only way to proc rampage

c r i n g e

[spice veldt]

alright time to run double crit chance duelling sword since i run a rending trauma anyways

[wooden tulip]

Hello everyone, I am curious, are we still vibing with Dueling Swords for things like bosses/elites or is it normally better to be on a Deimos?

[supple dock]

DS4 for carapace and mutants in particular

and unless you're using trauma staff you're generally better off using staff vs bosses

or kinetic resonance + EP brainburst

[rigid sky]

I like both

Deimos I kinda like with staffs more for the push attack I guess

[upper sun]

force push doesnt work for dogs when they already have pounced on someone right?

[wooden tulip]

I can't really decide on staffs, but I like using them more than guns.

[marble crater]

Just use all of them

[wooden tulip]

Based

I like the Blaze and Voidstrike the most, but Blaze feels a little redundant if I'm using Assail or Smite, and as satisfying as BB is, 99% of the time someone else pops the specialist before I do because of the wind up

(Vets in particular, not that it's necessarily a bad thing)

[marble crater]

When you say blaze, do you mean blaze trauma or purgatus?

[ornate hamlet]

flame thrower, or giant circle

[wooden tulip]

Purgatus, sorry

[marble crater]

Assail with purgatus is fine, BB would be better for Psykentic's Aura though, smite is indeed redundant

With purgatus you can go empowered psyonics for faster BB then also get the BB upgrade for faster casting after using your combat ability, a lot more usable that way

[ivory sail]

what is the main dump stat on the Rifthaven Purgatus Staff?

[marble crater]

Damage and resistance

Damage doesn't affect the soulblaze damage

[rigid sky]

Somebody on reddit was trying to convince me that damage is good on it

[upper sun]

reddit moment

[rigid sky]

I went into the negatives lol

[wintry ivy]

I played again for the first time in several months last night. I still have old equipment

[ivory sail]

sick thanks for the clarification!

[wintry ivy]

A purgatus staff and the original force sword

[strong gulch]

Deimos is better for mutants. It's the mutant 1 tap king.

[marble crater]

Why would damage be good?

[upper sun]

rookie numbers you gotta start brain minmaxxing for reddit

[wintry ivy]

Suggestions for better equipment?

[upper sun]

what do you like?

start building that

[rigid sky]

All staves are good

[wintry ivy]

Lightning

[rigid sky]

Some guns are good

[upper sun]

surge is good ye

[rigid sky]

I like Surge with smite

And enhanced psionics

[marble crater]

76% burn and max radius, with high quell speed is your goal

[rigid sky]

For melee there is a holy trinity of weapons

Deimos force sword single target focus

[upper sun]

b-but muh breakpoints muh warpcharges

[marble crater]

Trauma bad, pls buff

[rigid sky]

Illisi horde focus

[wintry ivy]

I was surprised to see that psykers have access to a chainsword now

[ornate hamlet]

[ivory sail]

I think i got something along those lines ill check!

[rigid sky]

Duelling Sword 4 mobility, decent horde clear, good single target (really shines on gunker)

We always could use chainswords

But now they are good lol

[upper sun]

surge is flak and maniac or elite or crit chance or unyielding with flurry/nexus

[rigid sky]

But prefer the weapons I just listed

Oh, BTW, if you go smite, always go Shriek with Creeping Flames

[marble crater]

Smite and bubble

[wintry ivy]

What sword pairs best with the surge staff

[rigid sky]

Tbh debatable

[upper sun]

illisi for hoard clear

[rigid sky]

In a vacuum illisi

[upper sun]

since its a bit lacking in that

[rigid sky]

But EP smite and Shriek is busted

[upper sun]

you cant always rely on that

[strong gulch]

Do you mean shriek or push attack on force swords? Either way, they should push a dog off someone within their range.

[rigid sky]

I found that too, clad

[upper sun]

push attack on swords

[rigid sky]

I use illisi anyway personally

But it's something to consider

[upper sun]

like

[rigid sky]

You could argue for a combat blade too

[upper sun]

the push attack on swords has a range of NINEm

N I N E

but i couldnt get it to work on dogs even cery closely

[rigid sky]

Or that sick dodge Duelling sword

[upper sun]

like the first stage the stagger pushes the dog but not the second stage

[marble crater]

Higher range than Dumdum

[brazen warren]

force sword push is funky, pulls in then pushes

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[rigid sky]

Dumdum is bugged

It's all ranges iirc

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[strong gulch]

Huh. wtf. then idk

[upper sun]

its always active but idk if it scales

[upper sun]

first stage of the push attack(stagger) works the second the actual force push doesnt

[marble crater]

Of course it's bugged, I shouldn't be surprised. When I play vet again I will pay attention to my buff bar

[upper sun]

buff bar is bugged

[marble crater]

True

[spice veldt]

dumdum isn't bugged

[marble crater]

Buff bar being bugged is the reason I struggle with loner aura

[spice veldt]

the description doesn't say anything about the activation condition

[strong gulch]

They weren't nurggle blessed or buffed from green smoke were they? Or maybe the push attack hit something else? It only hits 1 target.

[spice veldt]

the only thing that is "close range" is the damage buff which is indeed Close Damage (works like zealot's Anoint)

[lethal lagoon]

I pushed mid air

[spice veldt]

which is correctly stated by the description

i don't get where the "dumdum is bugged" rhetoric keeps coming from if you just read the damn description

[lethal lagoon]

Sadly I have been killed by mutant poxburster true combo

[strong gulch]

I'll test in the meat grinder. Might not transfer to in-game tho.

[upper sun]

🤔 how are you gonna test in meat grinder

you need two people for it

[strong gulch]

mods

[spice veldt]

bot spawner grindset

[upper sun]

😨 d-damn

[wintry ivy]

Thanks for the advice

I'll try out the three swords and see which one I like

[supple dock]

yeah it fuckin suuuucks

So I'm trying corruption resist

I haven't really been in danger of going down but my general increase in corruption as I play is very noticably lower

[marble crater]

Corruption as Ogryn
Corruption as Psyker

[brazen warren]

Corruption as Zealot

[strong gulch]

@upper sun In the meat grinder, I can push attack a dog off a bot from up close and farther away.

[marble crater]

Witch

[brazen warren]

I think the reason the push attack with force swords feels weird is that it has zero cleave, only pushing a single target

[upper sun]

🤔 then why cant i get it to work i tried it in game and i was sure to line the dot with the dog

[strong gulch]

It's single and you only get peril if it connects.

[upper sun]

ye

[spice veldt]

i don't like the animation of the push-attack and the fact that it's not offensive in the first place

i want my psword experience but on fswords

gimme an offensive push-attack on a psyker class melee that doesn't offensively blow

[strong gulch]

IDK. It could have had stagger resistance from green smoke or you hit something that was just in the way enough. It could also be that what is working in the meat grinder doesn't translate to in game.

[upper sun]

🤔 idk it doesnt seem like that complicated of a thing if it works in meat grinder it should work in game

next time someone gets hounded ill be sure to tag the dog walk away to about 7m then try to push it

@rigid sky you were right about this shit almost makes me wanna play vet

[marble crater]

So every shot is a critical cleave shot?

[upper sun]

bruh

its kinda crazy

can one tap reapers kinda reliably

[strong gulch]

I forgot to despawn the bot. They went down so quick.

[pale matrix]

which mark heavy laspistol is best?

[upper sun]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

I CAN CLEAVE THROUGH THE BACK SIDE OF A BULWARK SHIELD

WHAT

this game i swear to god

[strong gulch]

wtf

Less cool, Melk said only purples.

[upper sun]

mb

i got all the good stuff

[lethal lagoon]

Melk is telling you to save money for next week because he has a special surprise planned

[upper sun]

||he does not||

[wintry ivy]

He's gonna have reds

I feel it in my bones

[strong gulch]

My bones say it's gonna rain.

[wintry ivy]

Dowsing bones

[marble crater]

Melk trolled me too, at first glance this trauma looked so great

[lethal lagoon]

Flurry to Surge, and crit hit damage to flak

[marble crater]

No

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

Yes

[cinder moon]

dew it

[lethal lagoon]

Embrace your destiny

Become what you were meant to destroy

Terrifying the lobbies of the common people

Seek death in the arena of life

Go beyond your mortal station

[marble crater]

I can do terrify the lobby by playing a normal trauma build, because the vets will miss all their shots, and the ogryn will die because of toughness starvation

[lethal lagoon]

It took me so long to figure out how to spell inevitability my chain got ended

[supple dock]

https://tenor.com/bTdwn.gif

i didnt know this gif existed

i will use it more

[lethal lagoon]

Kusu means "fart" in India

[supple dock]

kusukusu is an onomatopoeia for a kiss as well

[lethal lagoon]

No that's the fart

[supple dock]

I forget what else it can mean

But it's varied af

[lethal lagoon]

Can probably use this gif on like 50% of my comments

[supple dock]

lmao

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon Look. I got room on this one to be choosy.

[lethal lagoon]

What's your actual blaze trauma look like though

Oh wait fuck, you can actully do both

[supple dock]

So when you guys are playing with like, your squad

Do you communicate a lot for the game?

[lethal lagoon]

No, this is a fairly brain off game

[supple dock]

yeah the objectives and prioritizations are pretty straightforward right?

[wintry ivy]

Voice chat is for cracking jokes as you slaughter heretics

[strong gulch]

Ye. I can do both. This is my blaze trauma for now.

[marble crater]

I play worse when I communicate

[supple dock]

I'm a mute gamer so it's fine for me, but I've played other team games that do require speaking and its helped

[strong gulch]

But I can change it.

[lethal lagoon]

It is marginally better, the new one

Cause you'll have 25% flak

[strong gulch]

yip yip

[supple dock]

https://tenor.com/uQST.gif

[lethal lagoon]

I will now permenantly associate this face to you

[supple dock]

I'd argue this is a suitable image

[cinder moon]

fancy cassowary

[strong gulch]

Sometimes. I cheat with that tho cuz I play in the same room with who I normally play with.

[supple dock]

Mm. I feel like the ingame sound cues are too important to talk over

[lethal lagoon]

Oh fuck next time I'll use a soundboard

I never thought of it before

What an amazing idea Kusu

[supple dock]

wait what

This is from psyker alone

[cinder moon]

played with a guy last month who had the “huh” cat on a soundboard, literally the only thing he’d use when someone said something over voip

[supple dock]

Ew

[cinder moon]

feel like most people also have a problem speaking up, everyone I hear on comms is basically whispering

[supple dock]

I don't mind speaking but this gamne just doesn't really need it

[strong gulch]

When people have open mic and constantly cough into it.

[supple dock]

The only things thgat really need to be spoken are "hey, move" or "someone's left behind"

[cinder moon]

agreed

[cosmic sigil]

wait, what????

[cinder moon]

spamming the “go here” ping is like 90% of the necessary communication

[strong gulch]

I have a "it's a demon host" button.

[supple dock]

Vacuum Capsule!

[cinder moon]

cryonic rod!

[lethal lagoon]

I need healing

[cosmic sigil]

For the Emprah

[cinder moon]

for atooomaaa

[marble crater]

For the emperor, I'm sure

gets shot

[strong gulch]

yes

no

I suppose.

[keen sigil]

should i roll off infested or get warp flurry 4

[marble crater]

Naturally

Roll off infested, imo

[strong gulch]

I'd put maniac or elites in place of infested.

Or, if it's your main monster dps, you could do unyielding.

[marble crater]

Oh it's surge, I was so confused by the skin

[lethal lagoon]

Only the cool kids are allowed to use Unyielding

[strong gulch]

Play with it in the meat grinder. Surge has a lower and higher floor of damage that it basically does a roll for. So you might sometimes hit a trapper break point on a full charge and sometimes be just short.

[cinder moon]

unironically why I don’t get staff skins

[keen sigil]

i only use staff skikn for surge bcs i dislike that square block surge has

[cinder moon]

bad enough that trauma and void share the same shape

[strong gulch]

I hate the tuning fork and the rectangle. So skins it is.

[marble crater]

Wish we had some free skins that aren't just blue or red colors

[cinder moon]

purg staff ought to have an Olympic Games style torch for its head

void should have a plasma ball toy

[lethal lagoon]

Give me Hammer Surge or give me death

I'd buy this skin so fast if the released a good one

Just give me an entire surge themed set

[cinder moon]

Tesla coil for surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

steampunk skin with hammer stuff

[keen sigil]

its ok psyker will get force halberd soon prayge

[strong gulch]

Transfer peril is tempting, but so is stop walking towards me. Good ole crit rate is also good. So many great options.

[lethal lagoon]

I'd use the right simply because the blast radius is hilarious

[cinder moon]

pinpoint trauma

[strong gulch]

It's a keeper

[lethal lagoon]

Also there's no way terrifying barrage does anything at all on a LMB staff

Like it already doesn't do anything, but on LMB?

Right?

[strong gulch]

It can knock over a crusher. It can't chain blast a horde away.

[cinder moon]

gotta get run n gun on a terrifying barrage trauma

[strong gulch]

Already got a surge for that.

[cinder moon]

then use the staff alt to finish off the trash

lol

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine someone comes in to the discord the first time, see's these staves, and then leaves

[strong gulch]

I'm sorry. please buff my brain so I can be better

I need an outfit for my pin point trauma

[cinder moon]

dress in rags

[strong gulch]

jammies

[lethal lagoon]

Beta helmet

And then random old penance gear

[strong gulch]

red shirt maybe?

[supple dock]

I've seen similar scenarios happen so far

it's so fucking funny

[lethal lagoon]

People unironically agreeing that blaze trauma is bad

[tribal girder]

is melk bugged? doesnt seem to track my progress correctly

[tired estuary]

yep

[hushed pike]

Just got and leveled up this sword

can it be salvaged atr all?

Feel like it would be a crit machine right now.

[strong gulch]

Crits are good on DS. DS2 is less DPS than DS4, but it's still good.

One of those crit blessings + uncanny strikes is great. Keep unyielding and put carapace or maniac on it. Which crit blessing is up to you. Do want to have to dodge to get your crits or keep smacking things??

There was this convo earlier tho. #psyker-class message

About double crits.

[supple dock]

So how does uncanny and fire work

is it just straight up more damage for having an uncanny weapon out

[strong gulch]

SB is affected by uncanny stacks.

[supple dock]

neat

Also FUCK

The team I'm with just straight up doesn't let me abuse EP with smite

I can't get any elite kills

[strong gulch]

Do the other node.

[supple dock]

Kinda considering it

yeah I'll do it

The people I'm with are just way too good for this game

[tired nacelle]

Heyo all, new to play Psyker. I love melee and I am loving this weapon. What's something good to add onto this?

So weird being here. x3

[lyric burrow]

honestly, id change the perks personally

precog is technically not the best but honestly i find the second blessing on deimos to not be a huge deal and precog isnt awful

[mental grail]

Got all 2,500 kills in like 4-5 games lol

[lyric burrow]

i personally like flak unyielding for perks, but you can do flak maniac if you want more consistent rager/mutant kills

[mental grail]

thanks sibling

[supple dock]

yeah the only blessing that matters here is uncanny for deimos

[tired nacelle]

REALLY!?

[supple dock]

uncanny is absolutely insane

[tired nacelle]

A bit half tempted to get deflector instead of Precognition?

[supple dock]

nah, switch perks

precognition works fine

[eager token]

how are the heavy laspistols

[supple dock]

it's not great but whatever

[supple dock]

good

[tired nacelle]

What would you suggest instead of precog~?

[supple dock]

literally anything but blazing spirit

[tired nacelle]

Lol, deflector included?

[supple dock]

yee

[tired nacelle]

But yea, i'll swap out a perk. Prob keeping the stamina. Just because I love melee too much.

[eager token]

i just lost an 8 game win streak for the auric title 😭

[tired nacelle]

Still learning Psyker tho. Soooo fingers crossed everyone~ ❤️

[supple dock]

tbh anything that helps you not get hit is where you should start, but learning how to melee on psyker is probably my #1 suggestion for the class

[lyric burrow]

yeah uncanny + anything that isnt exorcist/superiority/blazing/bloodthirsty would work

[supple dock]

If you can learn to melee on psyker you are golden

[lyric burrow]

i wouldnt run riposte/shred either

[supple dock]

riposte is fine

shred is not

easy to keep up in a horde

shred is just brutal for missing

[lyric burrow]

for deimos riposte is more likely to give you value anyway ye cause you can dodge a crusher/mutie etc

[tired nacelle]

I mean, I play Ogryn, i'm solid on how melee combat works.

Also, think Deimos can 1v1 a Daemonhost?

I'll test that out for myself.

[lyric burrow]

maybe?

i wouldnt be shocked

if you are landing headshots

[hoary leaf]

What are the better guns for a gun psyker to use?

[late night]

columnus, laspistol

is there an updated tree for gunpsyker

[potent echo]

Updated tree?

Deimos can destroy DH if it isn't targeting you, special heavy headshot

[supple dock]

if you wanna solo DH best done with dagger or DS4

imo at least

safe options

Though deimos if you time the blocks well and quell you can block without putting your wep away..

[potent echo]

I've never seen anyone solo a DH, is there any video

[tired nacelle]

I should have recoreded it.

[tired nacelle]

Of course this is in a very controlled space. In a real match, i'll be dead.

[supple dock]

seen zealots do it REALLY easily it's kinda insane actually the good ones

[tired nacelle]

I mean, but they kill their targets quickly tho! That's not fair!

As an Ogryn, it's sooooo much easier. Especially with DA SLAP

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

How do you hit it while it's hitting you

I still don't know how to fight DH for real

I assume their swipes are tagged as undodgable and you need to outspace them?

[tired nacelle]

Within their combos, there is a moment where you can dodge.

It's when they do a wild attack, where you can dodge left or right on the last second. Even then, i'd rather have high mobility rather than timing it correctly. Psyker has the added benefit of using their (Peril it's called?) warpy defence instead of actually using up your stamina. So I dodge left/right, bring down my count down to 0 and attack~

To be fair, I like to practice a lot against bosses~! So everyone but Daemonhosts, I can 1v1 with just a rusty fork because it's all about timing~

[potent echo]

So it's possible to dodge left right during the single swipes?

[tired nacelle]

I would not. I would dodge at the end of their massive flury of attacks.

[potent echo]

So you block the flurry then dodge the last hit, also Regen dodge in the process

[tired nacelle]

Pretty much.

ALl while popping their heads with lots of headshots. I am in love with this weapon. I can't believe i just picked it up now.

[cinder moon]

don't need to slap it when you got an achlys and pbb with light em up

they'll be 75% dead by the time they're capable of actually attacking

[fickle swallow]

With Kinetic Reflection psykers could block DH attacks literally forever. Just quickly switch to your staff and quell during the pretty long window after DH's combo finisher, and switch back to melee blocking when the new combo starts. Venting shriek helps with the quelling and horde control so that you could insert some attacks. Personally I just hold DH for minutes until my teammates got the time to kill it. I wouldn't count on myself killing DH when targeted. It's just too slow and too much risk (I don't play gunker so not sure about them).

[supple dock]

hmm. does unyielding damage include bleed damage

[tired nacelle]

That's actually a good question. Huh....

Well Regardless erm...

[fickle swallow]

I think each tick of your DoT damage counts as though you deal direct damage at the moment, so DoT damage is affected by your current weapon perks.

[supple dock]

Hmmm.

I actually think I've heard that before

It's why Uncanny works

with fire

yeah okay that makes sense

[tired nacelle]

Recreated my fight. It gets a bit sloppy tho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVH6ZN1zc38

[tired nacelle]

I would totally rather do this in a uncontrolled environment.

I FEEL LIKE A DUMMY! This would have made me avoid some hits or keep a bit of distance~! ! !

[fickle swallow]

Quell every time I dodge is carved in my muscle memory now

[tired nacelle]

Still need to get used to it. That's actually really cool!

I can totally get better. I have to since i'm going to just straight to Auric missions.

[fickle swallow]

Recently I've been trying to suppress my urge to quell-dodge-slide after every single staff charged attack

It's becoming cancerous

[supple dock]

I do it because feels good to do things with hands

even when I don't need to

In fact I'll even swap to melee before sliding so I keep my speed

[fickle swallow]

Yeah I switch to melee when keeping distance is top priority

[supple dock]

no i mean for increased slide speed

lmao

just whenever

[fickle swallow]

Otherwise switching to melee doesn't allow you to quell

Oh cuz I use dueling sword

[tired nacelle]

Dueling Sword is fun tho

[fickle swallow]

With the new toxic gas mechanic Dueling Sword is even more appealing

Fun fact: dueling swords provide the same sprinting speed as knives do

[tired nacelle]

They're so fast!

Mobility is always priority over damage for me. It's too good to pass up.

[fickle swallow]

Yeah. The only thing I believe trustworthy of keeping myself alive is getting the hell outta there FAST

[tired nacelle]

That and Stamina!

3 3 3 on all of my classes~!

[fickle swallow]

Wut you use +9 staminas on curios?

Wow

I use only one +3

[tired nacelle]

I do for my Vet, trying it on the Psyker.

Yea, I love melee, a mob usually blocks enemy shots sometimes.

[fickle swallow]

With kinetic reflection, Psykers don't need stamina to block, so +3 stamina should be enough

[tired nacelle]

It still uses Stamina to push

[fickle swallow]

That's true

[tired nacelle]

Which is what you need in melee. Blocking is just to correct a mistake or keep a flow

[spice veldt]

though the difference in the list of enemies that are staggered by a low-stamina push and a full-stamina push is very small

so stamina is just there so that you don't get guardbroken and KD gets to fill in that role

[tired nacelle]

Still, i'd say it's more important than Health or Wounds.

To be fair, I am talking with the experience of a #veteran-class and #ogryn-class. I'm just trying out Psyker but it's helping.

Also, I didn't know higher or lower stamina affects stagger. HUH~!

Cool~!

[spice veldt]

there used to be a time when low-stamina pushes didn't stagger bursters

and because this mechanic wasn't explained, people never figured out why their pushes didn't stagger bursters

the good ol' days

[supple dock]

it's very punishing but the payout is big

I run it

[spice veldt]

mostly just ragers/maulers/dreg gunners/etc. that will get staggered by a full-stamina push but not a low-stamina one, and the first two have non-deterministic behavior with it

for ragers it seems to depend on whether they're in a combo or not but i can't tell with maulers

[fickle swallow]

Both dueling sword specials and force sword push attacks can stagger everything tho (except reapers)

[tepid remnant]

Got two questions for brain rupture. Do I need to fully charge it up for it to go off? Seems like if I don't, it cancels?
For Kinetic Resonance, is the ability like Venting shriek?

[spice veldt]

yes to both

yeah it's all-or-nothing with brainburst

reapers get staggered by duelling sword special but they seem to have the same period of long stagger immunity that the crushers also have

[potent echo]

It's free quelling

Sometimes I need two duelling specials

[plucky flax]

I like maniac unyielding dumdum infernos for laspistol
Then maniac flak dumdum sustained fire for columbus

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-18543185

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

Ah I get it now, thanks

[hollow current]

dum dum always as the first blessing if you can. Raking fire is my choice for the second blessing.

[neat lake]

What should I do to this?

[potent echo]

Do you fire in bursts to maximise sustained fire or just ignore it mostly

[plucky flax]

Not always. If its 5 ragers then I just hold down left click. It's mostly for quick swap taking out a special. The extra damage boost let me kill something even faster like the spooky trapper

Then I can go back to melee in peace.

[ornate hamlet]

get rid of sustained fire, stub revolver's a good single target weapon

[neat lake]

Damn it

I went looking at guides

[hushed pike]

That's weird

You need Lifeleech (V) to get Psyker Master of War penance

[neat lake]

Did I ruin it?

[hushed pike]

but you do not need Built Like a Tank (5) for Ogryn Master of War penance

[late night]

anythoughts on last 2 points? also anything i should swap

gunpsyker

[supple dock]

I mean it looks fine

[potent echo]

Last 2 points go into toughness

[radiant frigate]

2×toughness + soulstealer, replace assail regen imo

or skip final point in DD

10s is good enough to not require the extra stacks on hs

[potent echo]

You don't need assail regen yea, unless you really are just spamming it on everything

I'll still keep DD talents as is

[late night]

ty

[plucky flax]

If u use assail take soulstealer over quietude

[cosmic sigil]

i would remove the +20% mvmt during sg as well

[potent echo]

That's fine there's nothing much to replace with anyway

[plucky flax]

Assail regen is so gud though why remove it.

Spam that shit.

Old handcannon assail

They never nerfed p sword and p gun but they keep nerfing psyker stuff. Racist against us.

[compact cargo]

achtually they nerfed muh ammo on vet aura slightly

clearly devs hate vet duh

[plucky flax]

So tru vet is unplayable now.

Literally no ammo to use gun.

[mental grail]

"Zap. Zap zap zap."

"Does anyone else small charred flesh?"

"Bzzzzzzzzt."

The smite lines are great

[potent echo]

Ammo aura didn't really matter to psword and pgun anyway

Devs want people to go full p

[plucky flax]

Let's combine revolver and voidstrike into 1 gun and make it the best.

[mental grail]

what is p sword anyway? how is it compared to f swords?

[compact cargo]

Doesn't compare to the p bomb

[supple dock]

Actually? Guys?

...Corruption resistance is great

i can heavily recommend it

[compact cargo]

Corruption resistance, ordo dockets and ult regen are hidden metas

Add in 3 wounds

[supple dock]

too busy running stamina

[compact cargo]

and suddenly you are a mobile p bomb dispenser

[supple dock]

i am the healthiest psyker

i do cardio

[compact cargo]

That's 4 bombs you can blast

[woven junco]

what builds are popular for psycher this most recent patch I wonder?

[supple dock]

all the core builds are still there

[woven junco]

nothing majorly changed then?

[supple dock]

disrupt destiny I believe got some love

I've been hearing very good things about colomnus mk 5 and the voidstrike staff using dd/scriers

[spice veldt]

nothing much has particularly changed, depending on how far back you last played

[woven junco]

fair fair!

[potent echo]

The only major thing is vet ammo aura nerf, which indirectly nerfs gunker

Oh and EP smite vent being meta now

[supple dock]

yee

So with the numbers you guys are saying and pulling while using ep smite

I was feeling fucking left behind cause I was like why the fuck am I doing the least amount of damage in this group

...the group is just that good ;;

[potent echo]

I don't care about scoreboard numbers, too many factors

[supple dock]

Yeah, but it was consistent

[potent echo]

But EP smite vent straight up kills ragers now

[supple dock]

And I use it as a way to test against myself

[potent echo]

Which it didn't before

[supple dock]

But I did a game with just one person from that super cracked team

[woven junco]

oo, might have to try a smite build

[supple dock]

And I had equal damage

so I was just like oh. they're just cracked. LMAO

It got me SO fucked up

[potent echo]

If your team has gamers smite/purg/trauma does poorly lmao

[calm sapphire]

EP smite is good now but TBH I don't need smite to deal damage

[supple dock]

yeah my only real use was for really shitty crusher and rager spawns

[queen fog]

I humbly disagree on the trauma force slander I’ve knocked too many bulwarks/crushers on their ass for me to consider it bad

[potent echo]

Does poorly on the scoreboard*

[queen fog]

Oh I don’t have that mod, carry on

[potent echo]

By the time you charge it up everything is dead

[queen fog]

Warp flurry

[potent echo]

Knife zealot in the next room

[supple dock]

warp flurry isn't warp nexus to go with blazing trauma

[queen fog]

I don’t be using crit chance up when I got true aim instead

I rock rendin shockwave to hurt armored boys more

[cosmic sigil]

Excellent DMG. Worst mobility ever.

3 meta blessings. Nice variety...

[mental grail]

This, trauma turns elite stacks into bowling pins

[compact cargo]

But have you heard about surge

[plucky flax]

Best staff.

[radiant frigate]

ever?

anyway force/power greatswords when?

[plucky flax]

Hammer mobility

[radiant frigate]

Real

Hammer in general tbh

only does one thing smh

[supple dock]

make it take both slots

can get really cool results from that imo

[cosmic sigil]

Ok chain axes and hammer are clearly not good in that department either

[radiant frigate]

idm i would use the hell out of it

[supple dock]

yeee

It'd be a cool thing because it'd have to have a unique gimmick that's useful

[cosmic sigil]

I only use low mobility weapons with either ws or the momentum node

[radiant frigate]

like a charge or powerful blocks

[supple dock]

I'd imagine it something like

[radiant frigate]

it would however make true aim rather less useful

[supple dock]

After X amount of kills you can shoot a bolt

[radiant frigate]

Yes

something like that

[supple dock]

because if it'd take ranged slot you need some kind of answer

[radiant frigate]

baked in ranged block

block ranged attacks to charge up ranged countershot

[supple dock]

i feel like rewarding for not attacking is antithetical

[radiant frigate]

potentially yes

[supple dock]

or at least having some kind of skill sytstem attached to it (see parry)

[mental grail]

power greatswords exist in the files

[radiant frigate]

the other might feel bad when you're stranded vs shooters

[mental grail]

legit

[radiant frigate]

but then again that can be a weakness to build around

[supple dock]

let's be honest, as psyker it doesn't matter what you have if you're stranded against shooters you will die

when they're in that position of "too far to run down and too spread out to aoe"

[radiant frigate]

Yes

entrenched enemy shootymans my beloathed

[supple dock]

and im sure EVERYONE knows that exact scenario

[mental grail]

counter sniping gunners is why I picked up gunker tbh

[radiant frigate]

unfortunately yes

[marble crater]

Just dodge

[mental grail]

just shoot

[supple dock]

[radiant frigate]

the more we talk about this force greatsword taking both slots the more i like it

psyker has blitzes for some range anyway

[supple dock]

I want weapons that fuck with your loadout directly

Staff + Laspistol combo

[mental grail]

I want the whole force weapon roster tbh

falchions and all

[radiant frigate]

have hallowette import some aeldari force swords

[mental grail]

witchblades iirc

[radiant frigate]

we are on a rogue trader's vessel, after all

[mental grail]

I guess that would answer if grendyl is radical or puritan

[patent jacinth]

Probably not ultra puritan due to the slightly above average population of psykers onboard

[mental grail]

you'd think, but a significant number of named inquisitors are psykers themselves

[radiant frigate]

nonsense

i would never think

[mental grail]

[patent jacinth]

Yes but not many keep a few hundred onboard, almost all of whom are unsanctioned

[mental grail]

sanctioned, unsanctioned, who's keeping count

[radiant frigate]

become sanctioned by finishing all psyker penances

[supple dock]

Let's be honest. The Seer would never be sanctioned talking about the emperor so casually

[mental grail]

when some inquisitors are summoning actual daemonhosts, keeping a few ex-enforcers and runaways is hard a faux-pas

[stark notch]

Doesn't one of the penances require you to literally blow yourself up by edging the warp?

[supple dock]

The Loner would refuse to be sanctioned

and the Savant was sanctioned

[radiant frigate]

it serves as a valuable lesson on what not to do..

[mental grail]

also, those are only our playable rejects, I'd imagine most of his psykers are legit

[stark notch]

Ah yes, of course

[mental grail]

all of the shop psykers are sanctioned and apart of grendyls warband

[potent echo]

Are there actually psyker inquisitors?

[radiant frigate]

it would certainly help with inquisitizing

[onyx sentinel]

is the 10 auric deathless run much harder than 5 maelstrom one for anyone else

[potent echo]

They just hire interrogators and agents

[radiant frigate]

can't tell what someone's thinking? simply read their mind

easy

[stark notch]

What if the person reading the mind lies

[mental grail]

Inquisitor Eisenhorn for one

[supple dock]

but what if their thoughts become MY thoughts??? WHAT IF I LOSE MYSELF. I can't have that. I can't have 2 people in my head there's already t oo many with 1 in my head being me

[mental grail]

Has a whole series about him lol

[potent echo]

[mental grail]

The funniest thing is that despite being a psyker

Eisenhorn is a puritan

[untold niche]

If you really want it just cheese it.

But I think you should know nobody cares about the title since everyone has it

[potent echo]

Plenty of examples throughout real world history

[radiant frigate]

you should really be more careful with those stray thoughts, i might get offended

[mental grail]

Gideon Ravenor was also a psyker Inquisitor, and incidentally, Eisenhorns protégé.

[potent echo]

Would grendyl be a psyker

If he's even real

I only read something about "ogryn" "oversized" and "tight"

[untold niche]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I didn't want to interrupt convo.

[radiant frigate]

i do not have it

but i also do not care about it

[mental grail]

I'm not sure he's real

bro is legit a bogeyman

[untold niche]

Everyone in my a5mael pubs has it.
Like on average 2/3 other people in my games have it.
I only got it naturally yesterday

[radiant frigate]

i also do not play mael

[untold niche]

Also this is quite funny xD

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i should

[mental grail]

a5mael sounds like hell

[untold niche]

Start playing mael :v
Kat you should be good enough :v

[mental grail]

I do it only with actual friends

[potent echo]

There's easy/hard maels too

[radiant frigate]

i am, however i am not a fan of weird modifiers

[mental grail]

^

[potent echo]

There's some which is just

[radiant frigate]

like

[potent echo]

Hishock with dogs

[untold niche]

I just queue mael every time regardless.
I don't like to play the lights out / fog one though

[potent echo]

That's it

[mental grail]

30 trillion snipers is not fun

[radiant frigate]

enhanced blitz?

lowered cooldowns?

[potent echo]

Those are where you farm for penances

[radiant frigate]

mostly ranged, into triple bubble psyker?

[mental grail]

bro I farm in malice and heresy

[radiant frigate]

literal walking simulator?

[untold niche]

I think mini boss and Green goblins are fun.
Personally feel melee only abit overrated here

[mental grail]

[potent echo]

Green goblins are the real gameplay changer

Green goblin trapper or flamers are crazy

[radiant frigate]

you mean to tell me that sightseeing with bubbles and one crusher per mission is the peak experience?

[untold niche]

Mini boss forces people to incorporate boss damage, that's why I still "respect" it

[potent echo]

Green goblin boss

[radiant frigate]

mini boss too random

[untold niche]

I feel melee only overrated is because its either a slog or too easy depending on build.

[radiant frigate]

i incorporate boss damage in all my builds

[potent echo]

It's honestly fine I actually rather the game had mini bosses more

[radiant frigate]

melee only sounds fun because you get to melee more

[potent echo]

But maybe with less toxic movesets

[radiant frigate]

bonbon..

[potent echo]

Bonbon but smol and you can pick it up and bring home

[untold niche]

There's still snipers and occasional ranged so I don't really feel it that much personally
Ultimately on zealot you will still run up to them to melee. On psyker you will still be blasting

The only enemy that forces you to use ranged imo is reapers

[radiant frigate]

i would still like to melee them

[untold niche]

Only ranged enemy*

[untold niche]

Yeah my point is in non melee only thatscwhat you would do anyway

They should have a modifier where every gunner becomes a reaper

That would be intense

[radiant frigate]

yes but now i have more things to melee

what if all enemy ogryns

bulwarktide..

[untold niche]

That would be a slog

[radiant frigate]

agony

[potent echo]

Remember the old vt2 modifier where everything splits into two smaller things

Give us that

[radiant frigate]

god no

[potent echo]

I want the loot rat that splits into two bosses

[untold niche]

I don't play vt2, stupid character limitation

[potent echo]

😔

[radiant frigate]

bonbon splitting into 2 smaller bonbon

flamers splitting into ragers..

[untold niche]

"But but of course you can't play the same person! That would not make sense"

[rigid sky]

Build an unyielding weapon (or use the one you take to monstrous special runs)

[potent echo]

I remember playing modded servers with 8 slayers

Those were funny

[untold niche]

The thing is you can't fully spec into unyielding because you still have other stiff including crushers and ragers.

I think it would make thr game really interesting

[potent echo]

Psyker melee just slap unyielding on it

[radiant frigate]

also free our weapons

unshackle them

let there be whatever stats we like

[potent echo]

Un(stable + canny + yielding)

[untold niche]

The zealot can't treat ranged enemies as melee enemies that don't move anymore

[stark notch]

Crafting update soonTM

[potent echo]

SoonTM

[radiant frigate]

force greatsword come to me

i have 50k plasteel for thee

[untold niche]

Anyway I was saying @potent echo
I want a oversized dclaw for ogryn with a tight parry window, and tonfas for zealot that stun for X time after Y hits on the same target.

Then ogryn can finally have something that is higher skill ceiling

[radiant frigate]

monk zealot?

[untold niche]

Monk zealot that is fast

Also would be great against crushers

[radiant frigate]

zealot weapon that is just faith powered brass knuckles

https://tenor.com/view/ip-man-wing-chun-beat-down-punching-destroy-gif-10655042

[untold niche]

Punch head explod

[spice veldt]

ogryns seething as zealots get brass knuckles first

[stark notch]

Give Ogryn a fuckin chainsword first please

For the love of god

[untold niche]

Imagine you get a 0.2 second parry as ogryn and you get a 180* infinite cleave brutal momentum hit that kills all the zonvies infront of you.

[radiant frigate]

what if we had a bigger ogryn knife

[untold niche]

Ngl I think this fits zealot more now that I typed it out...

But ogryn should have something that rewards mechanical skill

[radiant frigate]

The Master's Vengeance

[untold niche]

Damncthat cool name

For oggie

For zealot it kinda generic

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[supple dock]

another class that are psykers that have physical enhancing psionics

[radiant frigate]

zealots that are secretly psykers

[supple dock]

[untold niche]

I really want a new class that is a high skill support class

[radiant frigate]

support?

[supple dock]

i think everyone's locked in to this idea of "support"

[untold niche]

Yeah, as in you kill stuff to buff your team

[supple dock]

No matter what you'll hear at least one guy in your party go "yeah im a support build"

and it's like. Sure. Helping your team not die is good

[untold niche]

A5mael has ni support builds

[supple dock]

Helping your team not die by elimintaing the threat is better

[radiant frigate]

the best support is murder ❤️‍🔥

[mental grail]

I need it, take it from his filthy zealot hands and give it to me

[radiant frigate]

I NEED IT

[untold niche]

I want a support build that basically give teammates TDR and damage boost if I kill stuff, and speed.

And it's super mechanical and full of tech.

The reason I want it is so that i get something I have to get good at while making the game for fun for other people

[radiant frigate]

please fatshark i beg of you

[untold niche]

Like image your teammate does well now you have better dodges and faster attack speed. So now you are killing more stuff. That would make thr supported player happy

[radiant frigate]

uhh covering fire close and kill focus target vet

[untold niche]

Focus target is the ping for extra damage?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[untold niche]

Covering fire is just some extra damage if you kill stuff near them right iirc

Yeah but you benefit from it too

[lunar hollow]

the problem is this would be absolute balance aids

[radiant frigate]

it has a modifier that gives extra damage on marked kill

covering fire also gives some toughness, no?

[lunar hollow]

there's a problem with auras because of how theyre structured where they basically do nothing (outside of old survivalist)

and if you have a statistically significant team buff to a stat that matters in current darktide (like dps) it gets a little absurd

even the tag keystone upgrade is really for yourself more than anything

[untold niche]

Yeah but tye vet stuff is really minimal
I want a class that just boosts the team. Like you are still carrying but your team gets to interact with the game more while being buffed

[radiant frigate]

auras are mostly personal tbh

[supple dock]

^

[patent wing]

i want these tbh

[untold niche]

I see that, it's just really a wish.
But then again there's smite.

Whole team doing like caxe level damage because one guy is really popping off seems reasonable to me xd

[supple dock]

9/10 times your aura is there to benefit YOU, everyone else just gets a bonus

[potent echo]

I've been waiting for 2handed FS since launch

[lunar hollow]

smite shouldn't exist the way it does

it's just an awful ability

[patent wing]

just gimme halberds

poke poke

[lunar hollow]

there's no defense of it besides "i don't actually want to play the game"

[spice veldt]

you mostly don't go for an aura and it's just whatever is convenient for skill tree pathing

[potent echo]

Lmb should get some fun interaction

Not just rmb but bad

[spice veldt]

make smite a lightning punch

[radiant frigate]

hmm today i will clear a room by holding my mouse buttons and pressing f once

[spice veldt]

melee psyker melee psyker

[untold niche]

They haven't nerfed it so they must be okay with it ( that's not true I know. I'm just trying to edge my argument a little xD)

[potent echo]

Bio psyker owo

[radiant frigate]

melee psyker when??

[lunar hollow]

fatshark is incredibly slow to balance anything and almost always nests it within content updates

it's a very irritating habit when so much stuff can be solved with simple fixes

[spice veldt]

and don't want to stir up the hornet's nest with nerfs

the 200iq move is to not mention nerfs at all because people that get mad just read the patch notes and make their conclusions from there

[untold niche]

I think fatshark has a problem balancing fun, overpowered and feeling that you aren't just slapping the enemy

Granted its not easy just because of the way DT is made to be.

[lunar hollow]

fatshark has the problem of not balancing at all with how infrequent patches are and that's about it

most changes they make to balance are good

but the pace at which they do it is just way too slow

in an ideal world it won't be like that after the crafting update but it'll probably just be this way

[untold niche]

Yeah, that so sad.

[radiant frigate]

i may still turn into a zealot main

[tired estuary]

I'll take it over crunch

and really the balance isn't in a bad spot overall