psyker-class

[upper sun]

fuck no had a heart attack

[crude vortex]

You certainly didn't play like you did NGL

[upper sun]

woah

a good head gear for once?!

[vestal fulcrum]

Two mirrored augmented eyes is goofy

[crude vortex]

special eyes

[vestal fulcrum]

But who am I to judge

[vestal fulcrum]

You can’t have my brand!

[orchid shadow]

It looks like you have a centipede trying to crawl into your eyeball.

[crude vortex]

such is the price of the brand

[orchid shadow]

Time to spin the Wheel of Hadron

[upper sun]

may you get flurry 4 and nexus 4 with two free perks

[orchid shadow]

The game wants me to run and shoot things..

[upper sun]

F

to be fair crit and quell are kinda dumpy on surges

[orchid shadow]

Consecrated all the way, and I got a Flurry 4 and a Carapace 4.. not a total waste.. but I'd rather Elite over Carapace. Compared to my current staff.. eh... the search continues for a Flak 4 Elite 4. =/

[upper sun]

I have the same problem

[halcyon gust]

Hadron when she sees a high Rating weapon: "Time to ruin this weapon's chance of being used"

[hexed geyser]

Hadron is just like a kid, the more expensive the toy she's given is, the faster she will break it

[halcyon gust]

Yep and makes it very frustrating when you want to build a weapon

[mental grail]

I like my runs to be nice and enjoyable, like solving a puzzle

Having to cosmic carry two vets and a zealot because none of them know how to properly shove a poxburster on auric maelstrom is NOT how I'd like to spend my runs

[halcyon gust]

While I enjoy a smooth run where very things go wrong and the team runs like clockwork

But the games where it all goes to shit and you have claw your way to victory where 1 mistake ends the game. Those are the best games imo

[plucky flax]

Left one is real good for melee scab only.

[wind spruce]

Transfer peril is a noob trap. Just press quell to quell. No need to waste a blessing on it.

[unique lance]

Mmmmm

[jovial juniper]

Solidity is also there

I mean, not all builds will use it

[upper sun]

brunt pls

[halcyon gust]

Love to see it

"Hey this weapon has a great base rating......FUCK"

[radiant frigate]

joke's on you, damage dump stat

[halcyon gust]

How so?

[radiant frigate]

that's part of the "fuck"

you get high base rating but low on damage

[halcyon gust]

Ah.

[upper sun]

tbh i got most of my illisis through brunt i cant talk too much shit

like through the basic store

[radiant frigate]

i think all of mine are from the Other One™

[halcyon gust]

The Melk store of wonders

I do love my Illisis

And my funny Meme blaze sword

[mental grail]

Illisi is goated ngl

baller skin btw

[halcyon gust]

It's a great sword and thank you. It's not a skin Fatshark would sell you. My little creation with Weapon attachment customization

[mental grail]

the fact you made a sword I would buy and fatshark didn't is pretty funny

[halcyon gust]

We psykers have a refine taste to our melee weapons

[mental grail]

indeed, only the finest tools of heretic slaugher may touch our hands

[dusk void]

Not me. I only use my melee weapon for monstrosity damage & destroying mutants. The bleedstacks on my chainsword is insane

[halcyon gust]

I only use my sword as a "There's enemies on top of me. I have 95% Peril....LET'S RIP AND TEAR"

[mental grail]

I use it because sometimes smite and assail get boring

we mulch our heretics the old-fashioned way

[dusk void]

Have you ran a trama staff, chainsword with assail yet? I find it to be one of the most diversifying playstyles I have with my psyker

[mental grail]

chainsword???

[mental grail]

no I have not

It sounds...

Illuminating

[spice veldt]

chainswords have a unique and deranged property that make them especially nice

[dusk void]

I can clear hordes with the trama staff alone, assail specials, poxhounds, snipers, and chainsword mutants and monstrosities with the IV bleedstack blessing

[spice veldt]

they maintain their weakspot and crit damage multipliers for subsequent targets hit in your cleave instead of dropping down to 1.15x

[lucid flicker]

chainsword gunker

[dusk void]

It's better with a chainsword to do massive damage to a boss/monstrosity than a surge staff/gun

That's my take on it. I'm surprised not a lot of psykers run with my setup

[rigid sky]

Which chainsword's the better one to use for it?

I tend to use a deimos for trauma, but I guess this would do better boss damage

I usually just brain rupture spam monstrosities tbh since I run EP anyway

[dusk void]

The bleedstacks to this chainsword is what makes killing monstrosities worthwhile. But it is very hard to get up close with them

I'm sure there's a better chainsword than this one

[wind spruce]

If you only use it for monstrosity damage you should probably put unyielding on it

[upper sun]

i hope whoever made hab dreyko is forced to play it non stop for a week

[jovial juniper]

It's fun

[crude vortex]

scryer's gaze fun

shredded through 3 crushers and 5 ragers with it without going down

[ornate hamlet]

\does rending shock hit level 4?

[cosmic sigil]

the blessing? yeah

[mental grail]

Is this a thing?

I've switched over to gunker recently from trauma smite

[lucid flicker]

the wretched fungus has taken my mind and it tells me to go brrrrr

and yes

it is

scrier's gaze chainsword is very silly fun times, yes yes

[deft heart]

is trauma staff good for Bb build?

[halcyon gust]

The fun map

If your build can survive Hab Dreyko. It can survive anything

[upper sun]

WELL

i could

like there was one game on psyker where i had purge and the second i stopped spraying

i died

[deft nymph]

is stopping power good

[cinder moon]

stability is dump stat for laspistol

[wind spruce]

Yes, it increases your damage

[halcyon gust]

Why you also mix in the Melee basics ™️

[mental grail]

this is arcane knowledge

Hab Dreyko auric is the crucible for builds

Especially in pubs

[jovial juniper]

"I survived Hab Dreyko" emblem

[halcyon gust]

I remember when made my Void strike build and went into quick play. HISTG Hab Dreyko. Good times for that build. It survived the literal trial by fire

[ornate hamlet]

does rending shock 4 exist? 🤔

[halcyon gust]

It does

[ornate hamlet]

ty ty

[halcyon gust]

Just that Hadron doesn't believe you deserve the blessing

[upper sun]

+3 stamina vet lets fucking go

by the emperor i WILL make it to extraction

[halcyon gust]

Great for Dead shot builds

And in general due to Vet having low stamina

[upper sun]

shit mb

i meant zealot

[halcyon gust]

No matter how far you run

How fast you run

There's always a Trapper or a Pox hound wanting to ruin your day

[upper sun]

nuh uhh

[halcyon gust]

Or a Mutie

[upper sun]

damn got me...

[halcyon gust]

Don't order anything from Mutie Eats. Bad idea

[mental grail]

public auric maelstrom damnation on Hab Dreyko is a religious experience

[fathom totem]

Finally, complete my force sword blessings.. (Melk shop)

[halcyon gust]

I KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE I SEEN THE CLIP

[mental grail]

I saw the emperor multiple times that day

[halcyon gust]

Always a fun experience

[upper sun]

nah fuck that im not doing auric mael hab dreyko

you can not pay me to do that

[mental grail]

It spawned 10 mutants, 15 pox hounds, 8 poxwakers, 3 crushers, 2 bulwarks, 2 reapers, and a horde on top of that

fucking continuously

[upper sun]

that sounds like hell

[mental grail]

me and an absolutely all-star of an ogyrn carried us through that mess

[upper sun]

ideal teamp comp is 4 trauma psykers+ a bot from a glitch

[halcyon gust]

The final scan on Hab Dreyko either goes....Well

Or total shit

[mental grail]

I remember at the last auspex scan all four of us had gotten grabbed by a mutant and thrown into different parts of the horde

[upper sun]

nah you can just walk in truama hit boxes

[mental grail]

Full panic mode I tell you

[halcyon gust]

That just unlocked a memory of where I got grabbed by a Mutie and got tossed into a crusher ball

[mental grail]

Very fun times indeed

I got thrown into the about 15 pox hounds I mentioned earlier

[cinder moon]

gotta position yourself to get thrown back and forth between multiple muties

[mental grail]

way less fun

[halcyon gust]

Nothing like a good game of Catch

[mental grail]

"WAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH" has been burned into my brain

I hear it in my sleep

[upper sun]

ye ive done that once as a normal auric it was rough

i cant imagine a maelstrom run with that

[halcyon gust]

A experience

The most fun experience you can have

[upper sun]

why would i have fun when i have plasteel to grind?

[halcyon gust]

Because at the end of the day

Video games are ment to be fun

[upper sun]

its tomorrow

[mental grail]

I really need an "I survived hab dreyko" cap

Tomorrow if we don't get the psyker drip coat I going to start crying

[halcyon gust]

I survived pub Hab Dreyko cap*

[upper sun]

I'd have 4 at this point

i only play it if i select quickplay

[mental grail]

need it stitched in gold

[upper sun]

avoid at all cost

[halcyon gust]

If I want to test a build and I see a Damnation Dreyko in the rotation

[mental grail]

builds are at their best when stress tested

[halcyon gust]

Yep

[mental grail]

not in pub malice

[halcyon gust]

Malice is when you want to chill

[mental grail]

but pub auric damnation maelstrom hab dreyko

[upper sun]

seek help

[halcyon gust]

Heresey if you want to see how bad the fresh meat is doing

[upper sun]

that cant be healthy

i take that back

YOU SEEK HELP

pub heresy is worse

[halcyon gust]

That's why you go there to see how bad it is

Also perfect on practicing clutching out games

[upper sun]

i tried that with my ogryn once

made it to the final elevator and died after getting chaos spawned into a flamer

[halcyon gust]

There's time where the director will just say "No"

[upper sun]

didnt help that i had all blue gear

from the time the ogryn was level 20

[halcyon gust]

From my memory I have done 16 successful clutches as Vet and 8 as Psyker

[potent echo]

Who's keeping track

[crude vortex]

the Emperor

[dusk void]

Guess my teammates kicked me out of the mission at the very end right before extraction

Petty teammates. If it wasn't for me, none of them would've been rescued and shit like that

fucking assholes

And it was an auric mission smh

[barren arch]

gotta say, I've really grown to like the like AoE strike staff a lot

[upper galleon]

MONTANA?

did you get stan'd into my state?

[barren arch]

defining moment for me rn was doing a barely charged strike on a poxburster as he was about to jump on my teammate from afar

yes I did

[upper galleon]

anwyways, I don't like the aoe strike sometimes cause i'll try to swing at 1-2 poxwalkers just for some schmuck psyker to spam low charged blasts on them and send them tumbling away

[barren arch]

honestly I've grown to love it, it lets me play this high utility Psyker build

also I get to say 'big shoe lmfao' whenever I charge it up all the way

[upper galleon]

yee

it's by far the best but damn is it annoying to have on your team sometime

especially when you are trying to swing or shoot things

at least smite freezes them in place

[tawny pebble]

speaking of trauma, I was thinking of pairing a knife with it, and I rolled this boyo

is first target imperative to have something good on, or is this perfectly usable?

[upper galleon]

it's pretty important

let me pull up the range

[tawny pebble]

🙏

[upper galleon]

you have to check ingame with inspect but yea, it's the power effectiveness to the first enemy hit

ranging from 75% to 125%

that's just gameslantern so you'll have to check the ingame inspection to see what you are losin

[cosmic sigil]

yeah first target is important on a knife

[tawny pebble]

grazie

this is my first time going knife build on any class lol

All seem fairly important, mobility seems the only one dump-able w.r.t. damage?

[spice veldt]

p much

if using knife for damage, I would want mobility as low as possible because you often just dodge out of range to attack

so you have to walk up to them and be sad as your knife can't reach the enemy right after a dodge

[jovial juniper]

True

[tawny pebble]

pray to hadron

for me

that she not fuck up the omnissiah's will

i had to keep going out of hope

[upper galleon]

elite and executor isssn't

the worst

even if they are both t3

it's salvegable unless you already have something better

[cosmic sigil]

oh yeah that's perfectly salvageable

t4 executor is 6% so you're not missing a lot

just go flak / unyielding / carapace or even maniac and put uncanny instead of flesh tearer

[potent echo]

Did they fix executor?

Or does it still drop on a miss

[upper galleon]

Drops on miss doesnt drop on bleed ticks anymore

[harsh urchin]

executor is v strong now

[sterile glade]

I have no idea if this is good

Ahhhhh o-o

[glossy ember]

based knifer

[lethal lagoon]

Super bricked.

[lethal lagoon]

Two good rolls(flak, lac), though I think most people prefer bleed on crit over bleed on non-weakspot hit.
depends on the use case really. Even executor on dagger can be decent.
But that force sword is complete ass.

[sterile glade]

Yeah im using it XD

It sucks

Oh well

[lethal lagoon]

You could turn it into a meme fire sword

[hasty valve]

Something’s missing in my kit and I keep getting cornered either by hordes we fail to reduce in time or by carapace elites. My current setup is:

• Deimos: single target dmg
• Voidstrike: kill hordes at range, sometimes elites/specials
• BR: Elite/special killing, “sniping”
• Shield: protect myself and team

I’m so used to the rest of the kit I’m leaning into finding another staff. What’s the best staff to clutch when cornered?

[lethal lagoon]

Superiority to shred, flak to crit chance.

But keep in mind it's a meme.
[ ]

I just yell at things and then they burn and all die and I have top damage just being really loud and annoying.

(try flaming shriek)

As for a clutch staff, void is already there.

You can run Blaze Trauma though

I personally like Surge Staff with flaming shriek for "clutching", as there's minimal brainpower required, just go brr.

But if I have my try hard pants on, blaze trauma is the way to go.

[wind spruce]

I can't stand deimos with voidstrike

[hasty valve]

When the enemy is all around you, spending time charging Void up (not fully but to get a little AoE) just to fight one angle doesn’t really seem to cut it though. And while I haven’t used trauma a lot, it mostly just throws around enemies without getting kills. I’m trying to be as self sufficient as possible as you never know what your teammates will do

[plucky flax]

I'd go assail instead of br.

Void and br does the same job.

[wind spruce]

If you're not taking assail with void you need something for trash clear

[lethal lagoon]

It's more not really ending up in that situation.

Voidstrike should be wiping the map, there's nothing that it can't handle other than struggling boss DPS compared to other classes(but decent for psyk)

[plucky flax]

Yeah or go illisi void.

But bb and void seems weird to me. Although if you like them then yeah go horde clear sword.

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Trauma is potentially the highest DPS in the game, so "just throws around enemies" is a bit incorrect haha

[plucky flax]

No no it's blaze trauma bad.

Pls buff.

[lethal lagoon]

I was wrong, I confused blaze trauma with plasma.

Stupid dumb brain.

Buff Trauma plz

[hasty valve]

I love void, it’s my fav staff, but only playing Qp with randoms I can’t control, I keep getting flanked. And I can’t afford losing the shield for the scream to get out of cornering jail ability

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

Shield is like having a lawyer, Flaming Shriek is like being rich and famous. Both have their own effects on jail.

[hasty valve]

I guess, if you can pull off consecutive headshots at range without ever failing (I can’t)

[lethal lagoon]

Selfish has a good clutch video of him clutching using void and having the aim of a boomer I believe.

Lemme see if the search shows it.

[plucky flax]

I am surge main I don't need to aim.

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

I think I was mostly making fun of your aim cause you pulled out a video that countered my argument, but it was pretty bad lmao.

@hasty valve

I think he shows his build in that video if you wanna try it out

[plucky flax]

I have good aim with bolt staff. Void seems really slow.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh is it just me or just arc thrower feel like surge staff aim?

Everyone complains about misses and FF but I never miss

They are the same game engine

[plucky flax]

Yeah except it doesn't shoot 40% of the time.

That bug is annoying af

[lethal lagoon]

Also did you see flamethrower being able to kill a charger in like 2-3 seconds

[wind spruce]

Sometimes those situations happen though and you want something like an illisi do bail you out

[plucky flax]

I always set myself on fire.

I don't like it. I prefer my arc thrower.

[wind spruce]

Or a rashad

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.twitch.tv/maplewood_tv/clip/CharmingPeacefulButterSwiftRage-Iz8y_PnK3RH72HHY

[wind spruce]

(Rashad is legit my favourite weapon with void atm)

[lethal lagoon]

Rashad is axe?

I don't like any of the axes

[wind spruce]

Yiis

Rashad feels good

If you're just using it on non elites

Bromentum goes brrrr

Oh and nukem you gotta drop the shield

That shit is garbage

[lethal lagoon]

[hasty valve]

I’ll give this a flaming shriek a try, thanks. I love shield cus it’s just cozy in general but agree it’s a crutch.

Btw, flaming shriek is Venting shriek + creeping flames?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers

This is how flaming shriek works btws

The pattern is the same vertically and horzontially

[hasty valve]

That looks clutch-friendly to me

[lethal lagoon]

And looking up or down doesn't change it.

Only elevation and side to side

It's extremely clutch friendly

It will also kill all horde and basic shooters

[hasty valve]

(+ helps me often getting a bit too excited with my peril)

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike is pretty low peril but yeah, never hurts.

Also keep in mind you wanna flaming shriek at 85% peril

For maximum flame damage, otherwise it won't kill horde/shooters

[hasty valve]

What happens above 85%?

[sterile glade]

I like Surge force uwu

[hasty valve]

It doesn’t get stronger above 85?

[lethal lagoon]

No

It doesn't

85 is 6 stacks(the max)

[hasty valve]

Good to know

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff is comfy and goes brr

[sterile glade]

I like that it has CC

so I can CC when i CC

[lethal lagoon]

I have a psyker alt named OnlySmites

[radiant frigate]

wait, diving un-flames you?

[lethal lagoon]

diving also lets you yeet strategems super far

He has all the secrets

[radiant frigate]

obscure tech that fries bugs and saves your life

[plucky flax]

Yes

[median elk]

Since HD1

[hasty valve]

Do I change:

1. Infested > tier 4 + Exorcist > Slaughterer, or
2. Both blessings (Uncanny + Slaughterer)

I kinda like Unstable Power when needing to quickly go into melee from brain bursting or void striking.

[upper sun]

I would do infested to flak and exorcist to either uncanny/slaughter

[vestal fulcrum]

I would be fine with Infested, so going Uncanny + Slaughterer would be fine for me, but that’s not to say the other option doesn’t have merit

[quartz barn]

Im with clad, and then pick slaughterer

Infested is literally a wasted perk

[wind spruce]

Yeah infested to flak and exorcist to slaughterer is the go since you're using it specifically for when you get cornered using void @hasty valve

You just want as much power as possible to get the trash out of the way and then get back to nuking with void

[quartz barn]

Ntm that both maniac% and unstable are good

[halcyon gust]

Unstable is also solid as well

As if you're using Warp nexus on a staff you're gonna be pretty high on Peril anyways which means you have almost max stacks on it

[left basin]

big fart boom

anyone knows if secondary projectiles from surge trigger the quell blessing?

[halcyon gust]

I think Void strike does

[left basin]

i have an intense desire to make an lmg staff with surge and quell

and just spam quellcancel lmbs like a moron

[worldly iron]

Siblings

Is the psyker skin a big reference to Dispicable me?

[halcyon gust]

Another hard pass on this rotation. Time to for some that the next rotation is maybe better

[vestal fulcrum]

A terrific appearance in Brunt's

atrocious Quell speed, but everything else is plausible

[halcyon gust]

Now give it to Hadron and pray she doesn't brick it

Because my god that is a perfect Trauma staff

[upper sun]

slow quell is great for edging

and any staff quell is still faster than no weapon quell

[rigid sky]

tfw there are people who go out of their way to take Solidity, despite not even going Warp Charges

[sterile glade]

Yo my girl aint wearing that

Shes look at it and then give the person who aquires the outfits a dirty look

[worldly iron]

Someone at fatshark is a Despicable Me Fan

[sterile glade]

"You traveled the warp to get this, by the emporer would of of killed them to hire someone with fashion sense"

[upper sun]

zero keystone build is the real game changer

[mental grail]

Wait is this the new skin?

That I've waited 2 weeks for?

[untold niche]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Is it new bundle?

can someone show all the new skins

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1215288574891794512/image.png?ex=65fc34af&is=65e9bfaf&hm=805ac5174729932c8cdf4bd622bc92ac980d6027ab0991c438aeef3a7ece3b3e&

zealot is the best one imo

[untold niche]

thematic but i find it eh

look like beggar

also cald

clad

wait i fotrgot to thank y

ou

thanks

anyway

[upper sun]

for what?

[untold niche]

i was in incog and...
1m views

[untold niche]

thansks for sending the pic of the skins

[upper sun]

ah no worries

[untold niche]

rotation is every 2 week? or 1 month

[vestal fulcrum]

2 weeks

[worldly iron]

2 weeks

[untold niche]

thanks

[kindred thicket]

We're freeeeeeeee

[lapis violet]

almost shed a tear

[upper sun]

nah you can do better

void isnt very hard to roll imo

you have 3 perfectly valid paths and as long as it has flak its perfectly fine

[hollow current]

It has forgiving modifiers too.

[upper sun]

why cant you veto modifiers from quick play

how am i supposed to farm plasteel in vent purge

[hollow current]

by knowing all the spawn locations, silly

[upper sun]

I know some 😢

im fine with most maps except hab dreyko

[halcyon gust]

Still got 2 more upgrades to go

[halcyon gust]

I would love to ignore Low intensity modifiers

[dusk void]

Cuz the HISTG modifier is fun as hell 😊

[radiant frigate]

simply queue auric exclusively

[halcyon gust]

True, but sometimes you're not in the mood for Auric

[dusk void]

That’s almost what I usually play in n

[radiant frigate]

yes that's when i play other games

[halcyon gust]

I do enjoy a chill Damnation game And then you get paired with 3 fresh from heresey players

[upper sun]

I play auric on psyker but its too stressful

now i just grind plasteel in normal damnation on zealot

the stamina is fucking stupid on the zealot i can hoover up all the plasteel on the map before my team leaves my pov

[halcyon gust]

I generally play normal Damnation, but when I feel like I want challenge myself. Auric as Psyker

[upper sun]

its too stressful my brain can only handle 1-2 aurics a day as a psyker

one missed dodge and you're dead

[radiant frigate]

stressful depends on whether or not you get yourself killed trying to save a teammate

[upper sun]

😰

yeah i realized i can do that as zealot not as psyker

[radiant frigate]

sometimes i take psychic damage from spectating other players

[upper sun]

i think if someone goes down ogryns and zealots should help we should clear

[radiant frigate]

my fav so far has been an ogryn that got into a shield bashing contest with a bulwark and let 2 people bleed out with no other immediate threats remaining

later he resses someone while tanking a DH so idk

[upper sun]

lmao

i legit typed "go around in chat"

30 seconds later someone ran into a DH

[radiant frigate]

epic

[upper sun]

then two people started flaming eachother and left

after that we got two normal people and the run went 4x easier

[halcyon gust]

At least the asshole that runs into the Dh dies only now

Instead of Asshole and some other player

[plucky flax]

Don't spectate me

[dusk void]

I did 5 aurics last night as a psyker 🥲

[halcyon gust]

[orchid shadow]

If there's nothing that can immediately take you out like a Crusher or Trapper, Psykers are good at reviving in even the biggest hordes, especially with Kinetic Deflection

I'm actually surprised to see Psykers trying to clear just a bunch of poxwalkers before reviving.

[halcyon gust]

I generally clear enough enemies that my guard doesn't get overwhelmed (No Deflection on my sword and not in the mood to gamble with Hadron)

[orchid shadow]

You don't need Deflector on the sword, but it helps to tank ragers during a revive. If you're running KD, as long as you go in with low enough peril or a vent for backup when you're high, then you should be all good. Without KD, I don't know? I've never run a build without it. 😛

[halcyon gust]

I'll run KD if I can afford it into a build which only my Purge staff build can afford

[vestal fulcrum]

By the by

Deflector only improves ranged block cost reduction

It has no impact on melee blocking cost whatsoever

[halcyon gust]

Noted

[orchid shadow]

Really? Today I learn, that tool tip doesn't really convey that at all.

[vestal fulcrum]

Fatshark and their ever faithful tooltips

[upper sun]

it depends on the situation

[glossy ember]

i have acquired a vertical mouse, it is time to try this game again

[dusk void]

Question: is it okay to run assail with EP along with the force trama staff? I find that I have to run more assail killing disablers and gunners

[halcyon gust]

Depends on if Gunners and disablers are giving you that much gripe

And you're playing with a group that has trouble dealing with gunners in a reliable matter

[dusk void]

Last night, my team were down and I happened to clutch it with crushers, gunners, and snipers. The snipers are not a problem, but I tend to spam the crap out of assail to kill the gunners quickly rather than using the trama staff to debuff them and kill them slowly

Disablers are ever rarely a problem. It's the gunners on auric that are giving me a difficult time

[upper sun]

ye its perfectly fine

[harsh urchin]

you can do what you want

but for that specific usecase BB performs a little bit better

since it gives you access to psykinetics aura and one shots the relevant specials and gunners

[fallow yacht]

any advice on improving this?

I'm thinking specialist -> flak

Not sure further; I like crit chance since it has Finesse

[harsh urchin]

flak doesn't actually do anything

for ds

the suggestion is specialist -> cara and riposte -> uncanny

[upper sun]

riposte to uncanny and weakspot to flak?

im not sure

I dont think weakspot is all that good

[brave fiber]

with ds you already one shot the majority of specialists so its just more value keeping weakspot because that’s all you’re hitting with uncanny ds

Also riposte is just more immediate value for a ds than shred, if you’re pulling out a ds you’re generally doing it to quickly kill a stronger enemy before they can hit you

immediate boost in crit chance is preferable to building up crit chance over time

regardless precog is better for the finesse but that ain’t an option in this case

[wind spruce]

Flak DOES do something for duelling sword. It allows you to oneshot gunners more consistently with heavies and kill bruisers/shooters quicker with your lights. It's just a question of whether that's worth it compared to your other options, I do agree carapace is probably going to be more relevant

[harsh urchin]

Not gonna lie... I dont think I've hit a gunner with my ds in like my last 20 psyker games

[wind spruce]

Specialists to maniacs or carapace, shred to uncanny.

[harsh urchin]

I also dont think I've used lightspam to deal with bruisers/shooters in my last 20 games

so we might just play it very differently lmao

[wind spruce]

Yeah me neither

I didn't say it was good lmao

[spice veldt]

i hit them but that BP usually gets reached by uncanny strike stacks + DD

[wind spruce]

It just does "do something"

[upper sun]

bruh is it just me or is the game harder this today

[halcyon gust]

The most recent patch did fix the number of enemy that spawn

And sometimes the Director is off their meds and just go crazy with spawns

[spice veldt]

i had a jumpscare moment when a match started and special spawns started earlier than they usually do

since other players had not yet joined

[upper sun]

yesterday i didnt lose a single damnation run

today i only won one

[halcyon gust]

Sometimes you just get unlucky with games

[indigo kiln]

fr

[upper sun]

https://streamable.com/sbfrc2?src=player-page-share

😭 so close

maybe i could have done it if i had a hammer

[spice veldt]

tragik

rager + horde + gunners

there's a mod that disables non-forwarding jumping if you want to keep jump + dodge on the same key

[halcyon gust]

Great mod and recommended

[hexed geyser]

Its possible to put dodge and jump on different keys? My game wouldnt let me play properly every time i did

[hollow current]

It depends on the build and the playstyle. For me Flak lets me 1 hit shotgunners cold and -almost- 1 hit flak gunners cold to the point where the few buffs needed are almost always met. This is more valuable to me than carapace because unless trapped, I can always just reposition against carapace.

[spice veldt]

ye
that is quite an unusual thing

for me, i have dodge on [shift] and jump on [space]

[upper sun]

yeah its possible but my brain cant support that many buttons

[hexed geyser]

I'll try again with that setup then

[spice veldt]

i don't recommend dodge on [shift] if you're not used to pressing shift a lot

[upper sun]

im used to holding it for sprint

i wish i had more fingers

[spice veldt]

can't believe we don't have 6 fingers

[hexed geyser]

I played minecraft for 8 years now I should be able do use shift

[spice veldt]

i also have crouch on [c] to make it comfortable to dodge-slide with this setup

then again [c] is also comfortable with space with just rolling your thumb, huh

[upper sun]

ye i do the same with crouch

[radiant frigate]

does anyone have that one video of a plogryn dying to one columnus mag

[hollow current]

this one? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1204841511347421294/nothing_personnel.nothing_personnel.nothing_personnel.mp4?ex=65fb1d19&is=65e8a819&hm=3952a87065680454d21e31c93789379545dc08a7eef668e220e5a08cf0424577&

[plucky flax]

Not crouching on control

[radiant frigate]

yes thank you gaslightin' giselle

[hollow current]

😄

[sterile glade]

TLDR?

also I love the perfectly timed 14 minutes for maximum ad rev

[halcyon gust]

Ads. What are ads.

[orchid shadow]

I have crouch on Ctrl and slide my pinky over Shift and Ctrl to slide. My pinky finger is now in ruins. I just realized how much I spend scooting in game on my ass.

[plucky flax]

I dodge on v.

[upper sun]

but thats push to talk

[spice veldt]

no that's reload

[upper sun]

R IS FOR RELOAD

ITS IN THE WORD

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[upper sun]

YUH HUHHH

[lethal lagoon]

Out of all your keybinds, that's the one that makes me geniunely uncomfertable 🤮

🤢

[upper sun]

"oh yeah while were on the elevator let me veloard my virevarm"

[sterile glade]

instead of using WSAD use EDSF

[upper sun]

"let me qvrill my veril"

[lethal lagoon]

That's actually fine for people with bigger hands

I don't mind it

[sterile glade]

It give your access to more buttons

[lethal lagoon]

Anything other than R for reload is just heresy though

[sterile glade]

you ger WQA as additional buttons

[upper sun]

i need an mmo mouse

[lethal lagoon]

Be a hero

And use a hero

[upper sun]

i should also set up macros for everything

[lethal lagoon]

Logitech has the best interface for macros too

[upper sun]

i already do 5 for 4+mouse click

[lethal lagoon]

trying to set up macros with free programs on the internet is a good way of getting "free" programs on your PC

I really like the logitech thingy that comes with the mouses.

[upper sun]

my free macro program is from 2000 if they have a backdoor that hasnt been patched

i deserve to get hacked

[lethal lagoon]

You are already hacked

[static needle]

Does obscurus to anything at all better than illisi and deimos?

[upper sun]

nope

[lethal lagoon]

It's better at baiting toxic people in lobbies who inspect teammates and act weird

[eager mantle]

[hollow current]

It's in the name 'obscurus'

[sterile glade]

honestly I put on the 2010 white girl playlist katy perry goes hard in damnation

Wait since the god king emporer has been alive for so long what do you think is stuck in his head after so many years of listening to music

I feel like sometimes he hums Rhiannas umbrella cause like shit be catchy

[ornate hamlet]

samesies

[sterile glade]

Tbh I feel like I want it that way by the backstreet boys would survive a complete tech collapse somehow

[upper sun]

huh

i think i only won one damnation game today

[hollow current]

mariah carey christmas songs

[sterile glade]

Oh you right

[upper sun]

they really did make it harder today

[sterile glade]

BRUH I KEEP GETTING DOGS

Every single mission I hear "Btw there a bunch of fucking dogs"

LIke dog fix your fucking pets

[spice veldt]

i cri

it lets me quell while moving which is why i have it there

[cinder moon]

just do finger origami, ez

[plucky flax]

Hab dreyko hell.

39 mins of my life.

[hollow current]

Hell Dreyko.

[plucky flax]

13.6k staggered.

Seems legit.

[hollow current]

Total number of staggers.

[plucky flax]

Psyker with most monster damage.

[static needle]

Does anyone here use obscurus? if so, why?

[halcyon gust]

Actually tempting to grab

[patent wing]

guys i need ur help

550 weapon with uncanny 4 and slaughterer 4 and keep the shitty melee crit dmg?

[long wharf]

no

upgrade uncanny strike, replace crit damage

[patent wing]

b r i c k e d

[upper sun]

its perfectly fine

[patent wing]

no 550

[upper sun]

getting this took me 3 weeks

[upper sun]

bigger rating isnt always better some stats matter more than others

[patent wing]

yeah ik ik

will swap it for carapce

or unyielding hm

[halcyon gust]

Bigger base rating makes it more likely to get the stats you want

[upper sun]

thats not always true

i got nexus 4 and flurry 4 upgrading garbage truamas from brunt

[paper lily]

more likely
not always true

[halcyon gust]

I was more on getting the stat dispo you want on a weapon

[upper sun]

people are just more likely to roll higher rating weapons

it just feels like that

[halcyon gust]

Plus bigger number makes Monkey brain happy

[paper lily]

well do the same with a 300 base rating or 250 base rating weapon, -30 on the top end is not really trash

[halcyon gust]

301 is the lowest base rating you can get (Assuming level 30)

[karmic reef]

thoughts?

[mighty cipher]

Dubious

[upper sun]

very very bad

wait

wtf

i thought that was a purge

bro....

i mean you can change nexus to flurry and do the transfer/flurry path

[cosmic sigil]

hab dreyko ending is really hell

[upper sun]

man i was doing purge on that once

i could not move from the door for 5 minutes

i switched to melee for 2 seconds to deal with a mutie and i got insta poped

[spice veldt]

i am afraid to quickplay if there's a hab dreyko in the pool

and if i do go into a hab dreyko, i immediately leave it

i hate that map

[upper sun]

simply leave

I will quick play until i get the mission i want

because of that 10% plasteel

[cosmic sigil]

i know i'll probably be the last one standing at the end with 10 ragers and 10 bombers

[halcyon gust]

Hab Dreyko is fun

[upper sun]

#darktide-pics-vids message

they told me run

i did not expect them to survive

[cosmic sigil]

my god

yesterday our ogryn was grabbed just in front of the raptor and thrown out of the map*

[upper sun]

i can beat that 100%

notice anything wrong with this picture?

[karmic reef]

Isnt nexus good though?

[halcyon gust]

Nexus is quite good

[upper sun]

its great but with flurry/transfer if you hit enough heads in a wave you can fire it forever

[karmic reef]

Is it worth swapping it to flurry?

[upper sun]

its more for indefinite fire than damage if you go with that though

[halcyon gust]

Only time I use smite is CC to help a revive on a teammate or has a "Oh shit" button

[upper sun]

smite is fun

having two psykers one with smite and one with purge is crazy good

[orchid shadow]

Was that an xbox player? And is Farridge one of those common names? I had a Smite Psyker Farridge in my last game.

[cosmic sigil]

that's what saved our hab dreyko tbh

because waves of 5 ragers every 30s was a bit....

If i had a surge/smite Psyker i would name him Tesla

[upper sun]

Hmmmm... makes you think

[mighty cipher]

Oh hey, I saw Waka earlier today

[static needle]

Is there a rending limit to crushers?

[spice veldt]

just the general limit of 100%

[mighty cipher]

I have apperently made a pretty good Psyknight build

[upper sun]

ok something fucky is going on with the AI

auric damnation is easier than regular damnation

and its not even the teammates

i got 6 crushers at the start of one mission in regular

[halcyon gust]

Sometimes the Director does weird things

We take the games where the Director decides to pull its punchs

[upper sun]

i was making too much plasteel

he was sick of my grinding

[jovial juniper]

I'm starting to think that they borked the spawns trying to fix it

[worthy trellis]

Is this charge rate too low for a Trauma staff?

[wet belfry]

Yes

Charge rate is among the most important stats on trauma

Its not the stat you want to dump

[worthy trellis]

Kk, will keep watching for one. Thanks 🙂 Surge staff it is for now

[wet belfry]

Its charge rate > blast radius > quell speed > damage > warp resistance

Thats my personal rating atleast.

[worthy trellis]

Nice I'll add that to my spreadsheet to track

[wet belfry]

You keep spreadsheets?

NICEEE

[worthy trellis]

Ya I track my blessing library and current gear stats so if I see something in the browser extension I can quickly compare it without logging on. Have a tab for each class

[upper sun]

tbh i wouldnt spend too much building a trauma staff

i have a feeling its gonna get nerfed

its too useful and we cant have shit on this bitch of an atoma

[wet belfry]

Id be sad to see it nerfed despite how powerful it is

Ima be honest and say i think the only thing actually holding up psyker right now is how op its damage output is.

[upper sun]

the entire class feels like its missing 1 curio 24/7

[wet belfry]

I just want it to keep its current glass cannon idenity.

If theres any part i disagree with currently its how blitzes work on the class.

Scriers gaze also is a boring ultimate.

[upper sun]

the staves are great and really fun to play

but with the stupid amount of grind you need to do i feel like theres no reason for me to play psyker when i can play zealot and hoover up all the plasteel at mach 10 speed

[halcyon gust]

There's always a stupid amount of grind for each class

[upper sun]

not for zealot

wound curios are easy as all hell to build

you get curios with t4 perks all the time in the store

[halcyon gust]

What if you don't want to be a Marty Zealot

[upper sun]

since the rating for wounds doesnt matter

yell in the forum about the crafting system

look at this beautiful stamina bar

[halcyon gust]

The mess that is my Veteran's collection of ranged fire power

[upper sun]

and you're pretty much unkillable even without toughness curios

[hollow current]

One page? That's a mess?

[upper sun]

ive been using the same heavy chainsword for the entire time i played zealot

[halcyon gust]

A mess for how much grinding it took to have this many ready to use weapons And I hate it

Still need Headhunter 4 for the Las rifles

But I can wait on that from Melk....Eventually

[deft nymph]

are the smite enfeeble not worth still

and lightning storm

[upper sun]

I really dont get the crafting like do they think the people who play the game 24/7 have the money to buy skins

who are they making them for?

[lavish glade]

I nearly always just make only loadouts for classes using their class specific weapons

[upper sun]

same

[halcyon gust]

If the locks are removed. Crafting would become a good bit more tolerable

[lavish glade]

I wonder what the thought behind no braced autos for pysker was tho

[upper sun]

bro dont even remove the locks just increase the limit to 3

thats all im asking

[dusk void]

Not for the psyker character I'm playing at

[lavish glade]

What the fart brain meta slaved columnus gaze build or

[worn beacon]

Veteran mains are not sane

We all name our guns

Where's bolter

[halcyon gust]

Bolty (Far left 3rd down)

[halcyon gust]

We love our guns as much as our children

A named gun is twice as effective as a unnamed gun

[upper sun]

THIS IS MY RIFLE

[worn beacon]

I love every gun, no matter their disability cough, recon lasguns, cough

Maybe except plasma

It doesn't feel rewarding to use

[halcyon gust]

I like my Hellbore 2

But even she can't handle Auric missions so she gets Benched for the Revolver or Plasma

[worn beacon]

This is a Kantrael pattern Lasgun MG Mark Ia, there are many like it, but this one is mine

[worn beacon]

My suboptimal bolter handles auric

[lavish glade]

Like playing plasma w knife on a weapon swap build

[worn beacon]

We love talking about veteran in any chat except #veteran-class

[halcyon gust]

Maybe I should start bringing my Hellbore 2 into some Auric runs as Vet when I'm in the mood for the deep dive

[crude vortex]

seeing that the zealot chat has the most mentions of "mayo" and "mayonnaise" compared to any other channel I elect them for most insane

[jovial juniper]

Zealots doing zealot things

[crude vortex]

We really are

scent maracas...

[halcyon gust]

Zealots are insane mother fuckers I swear

The shit I see them do and get away is just...Baffling

Like get eaten by a Nurgle, spat out in a crusher ball, some how survive that crusher ball and come back to the squad like it was another monday to them

[crude vortex]

No wonder why I dual class psyker and zealot 😔

[halcyon gust]

Vet and Psyker for me

[crude vortex]

we're built like ragdolls

[worn beacon]

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR
SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[crude vortex]

I've done some wacky stuff as psyker but I chock it up to the fear mine manages to trick the foe into feeling (assail + venting shriek melee build lol)

[halcyon gust]

My most insane feat of survival is spending most of a mission at 2 HP as Vet

[magic kayak]

Did surge staff get shadow nerfed? feels like im doing less damage or something

[halcyon gust]

Not that I'm aware of sibling

[magic kayak]

I was doing quickplay auric so maybe there was a modifier or something

[halcyon gust]

Don't recall any modifiers that suck with weapons directly

Only indirectly with no ammo pick ups

[magic kayak]

So theres nothing with more hp for enemies etc?

I should look that up actually

[halcyon gust]

Nope

[magic kayak]

Weird, it definitely felt weaker

[halcyon gust]

There's weaken Monster maelstorm which makes specialist have a chance of being a weaken monster

[cinder moon]

nurgle's blessing

but it's not every enemy, and you can visually tell which units have the buff

[supple sedge]

SPARKHEAD ULGO NEED HELP WRITE POEM

Sparkhead smart yes?

What rhymes with stealth?

[jovial juniper]

Wealth

[eager token]

anyone played rogue trader

on sale and might buy but if the game is still a bugged out mess eh

[worn beacon]

Wealth

[supple sedge]

Thank you both. Now something rhyme with ogryn

[worn beacon]

Nuisance for Veterans
Falling?

You can make the G silent

[cinder moon]

slow grin

[supple sedge]

Yes good! Now need rhyme with purge

[cinder moon]

merge

[supple sedge]

No not work well...

[cinder moon]

splurge

[tired estuary]

urge

demiurge

[wet belfry]

nurgle

HERESY

[supple sedge]

Oh good one.

Now something that rhymes with lea

[cinder moon]

your compliment is gratifying, hefty associate

[supple sedge]

[cinder moon]

how are you pronouncing "lea", like "lee" or "lay-uh"

[magic kayak]

Oh right, the green lit ones

[untold niche]

No tldr, man didn't watch xD

Also I tot af rev was 10 min mark or they change

[magic kayak]

decent enough base to start with or is charge rate just too low? I try not to go under 60 even on dump stats usually

Feel like I'd rather have more charge rate vs quell speed

[potent echo]

I have horrible memory, but one of the staves have a charge rate stat that doesn't matter (only 0.2 second range)

You can check the detailed numbers for charge time for the void

[magic kayak]

yep this is the one.

thanks for that I just inspected and saw yep... this is literally almost no difference

I'm .13 from max and you can't even hit max

[potent echo]

Lol yea maybe not a 0% roll but 58 is decent

[magic kayak]

wow hadron really wasn't feeling it on this one

I'm still going for broke on off chance I get a good final blessing

[cosmic sigil]

Terrifying barrage /run n gun

[magic kayak]

yeah why not, I already have sprint efficiency and stamina, might as well get run n gun to finish the theme

[ornate hamlet]

is faster charge time better or worse for the rending shock trauam staff

[radiant frigate]

fast charge always more gooder

[wind spruce]

You're 0.066s off of the maximum possible. It's fine.

[wind spruce]

Wut

[spice veldt]

they're just getting thrown off by the description which refers to the amount of brittleness stacks being based off on "charge time"

iirc last time i checked, it's just based on your charge level

[ornate hamlet]

ty

[plucky flax]

Try the better trauma build.

[radiant frigate]

is it childhood trauma

[lunar hollow]

intergenerational trauma actually

[ornate hamlet]

whata re the best perks and blessings for the trauam 🤔

[potent echo]

True but what if you only get 7 stacks with blue stim and max flurry 🤔

[wind spruce]

"* Damage modifiers are also multiplicative resulting in diminishing returns if you run multiple damage boosting blessings/perks/talents. You'll still want to run them, but your damage wont be as big as you might expect if you're just adding them. +24% from Empyrean Empowerment, +20% from Warp Rider, +25% Flak and +10% Elite damage is not +79% damage against a Scab Gunner."

@spice veldt what's your take on this? The text is the original comment then there's a screenshot of their reply further down the thread

[potent echo]

Wait huh, multiplicative bonus is diminishing?

[wind spruce]

Is this actually what happens

[potent echo]

Is that person alright?

[potent echo]

No I haven't tested it, hopefully not

[wind spruce]

They corrected that notion, they were mixing up two bullet points in a long ass comment

[potent echo]

1.241.201.25*1.1=2.046

Oh god discord, but yea it's way more than 79%

[wind spruce]

Not all damage increases are multiplicative but some are is my understanding

[potent echo]

If it's <1 then it is

0.75 * 0.75 = 0.5625

[lunar hollow]

the game does like to try to lie sometimes and say stuff like "base damage" in certain talent descriptions despite "base damage" being the same as regular damage in all instances except i think one

certain sources are multiplicative with others like +power from blessings being multiplicative with +damage bonuses iirc

[potent echo]

So for darktide, it is damage resistance

[wind spruce]

Or its -0.25-0.25

[potent echo]

Like if you run 2 of 25% sniper resist (assume it exists)

[wind spruce]

Yeah I know that's multiplicitive

[potent echo]

You don't get 50% damage, you get 56.25% damage

[wind spruce]

48.8% for 3 x 20%

[potent echo]

Yea

[wind spruce]

The maths isn't the problem

[potent echo]

I read wrong I'm stupid

[wind spruce]

The rules for different damage types are

[spice veldt]

is this a thread for how many damage boosts you can stack?

[wind spruce]

It was just some general weapon quirks post

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/JwDUl3NQxK

[spice veldt]

i haven't done any testing to check how damage buffs stack so far

[lunar hollow]

these are outdated

vet is 5% baseline and 1 second for stam regen delay

[wind spruce]

Noice catch

[spice veldt]

i don't know what they mean by "multiplicative results in diminishing returns"
I assume that the +damage% from warp charges and warp rider stack additively

[potent echo]

I saw a darktide damage equation once, but forgot where it is

[spice veldt]

oh i guess they're mixing up "additive" and "multiplicative" I guess?

no wait that still wouldnt follow what they're saying

veteran also shouldn't regen 7.5% per kill anymore

that was patch 12 and before
that should've just been relocated to/baked into Out For Blood

[lunar hollow]

half the fkin vet talent tree is an apology

[potent echo]

From my unreliable memory, (damage * adm * modifiers)

So all the talent modifiers are added together, and adm bonuses are added together

[lunar hollow]

the stam regen delay nodes are the best

[spice veldt]

at least stuff like +flak and +elite perks on weapons are known to be multiplicative

e.g., the calculation being 1.25 * 1.1 and not 1 + (0.25 + 0.1)

[main wyvern]

hello fellow psykers

[rotund fable]

Rashad is supposed to be a good combat axe right? This is currently in brunt's shop

[vestal fulcrum]

It's a decent Rashad

[spice veldt]

p nice

here's hoping you get nice perks and blessings

[rotund fable]

Welp, native flak seems decent... not sure about the all or nothing though

[ornate hamlet]

time to get the pushes going

[rotund fable]

oh god the atack pattern is so weird to me

yeah... currently in meatgrinder with it and the all or nothing blessing doesnt feel to good on account of how fast my psykers stamina regenerates

by the time i've charged up a heavy attack after depleting stamina, i've already recovered enough stamina to have lost 2 stacks of it

I think im just gonna rip the blessing off it. Rashad's attack pattern just doesnt feel nice for me

[main wyvern]

guys when will the illisi sword get power cycler

[vestal fulcrum]

Hopefully never

[rotund fable]

Probably around the same time the devs realize the ilisi's charged attack has the same level of cleave that a power-sword with sunder does.

[vestal fulcrum]

It's not a fair comparison. Sunder wins by 4 margins

[rotund fable]

ah yes, i forgot that the sunder power-sword can cleave through 1 additional crusher compared to the ilisi

[vestal fulcrum]

Akhem

It's more complicated than that

Power sword with Sunder can cleave Crushers in the first place

[rotund fable]

Yeah, i know, i'm moslty just joking around

Imagine the ilisi with brutal momentum...

[main wyvern]

what should i run on my illisi

[vestal fulcrum]

There's some good options

[rotund fable]

I personally run uncanny strike and slaughterer

[vestal fulcrum]

Uncanny and Slaughterer are universally good blessings

[rotund fable]

but i also have a meme illisi that's got blazing spirit and bloodthirsty 4.

[vestal fulcrum]

Unstable Power, Deflector and Bloodthirsty can also be decent to good, depeding on what you want to achieve

(Executor is probably also OK, but somewhat less consistent against horde enemies than Slaughterer)

[main wyvern]

i have deflector and executor

and i can't rebless

[rotund fable]

Delector let's you give shooters/gunners the middle finger, and executer can be useful in niche scenarios

Though, if you run deflector, i advise you also take the kinetic deflector talent as well.

[main wyvern]

yes i am running that

[weary crane]

I have a question everyone 🖐️

Do empathic evasion and anticipation actually do anything if you dont have another dodge perk? Does dodge mean you aren't targeted by enemies?

Also, does empathic evasion work with riposte?

[vestal fulcrum]

Hooo boy

Anticipation is a little complicated to explain in what it affects

Because it’s an obscure attribute

Hold on

This is what it does

[vestal fulcrum]

Emphatic Evasion can be made more consistent with Riposte, by making you Crit more often, so, yes, but both effects do completely separate things. EE certainly benefits from you having more consistent access to Crit in general.

Dodge means that you are in a “dodge state”. In case of Emphatic Evasion, it means that you can’t be hit by enemy shots, be it regular shooters, (shot)gunners, probably also flamers

[weary crane]

So Riposte applys when you get a crit?

[vestal fulcrum]

No, Riposte procs when you “correctly” dodge an attack that is tracking you

So, you are about to get hit, and dodge so that the enemy doesn’t follow you after your dodge (or follows you very briefly), thus you avoid getting hit.

But IDK what the game does consider to be a successful dodge on the backend

As to whether Riposte can proc from EE…

[weary crane]

i can test

[vestal fulcrum]

MAYBE, but I don’t know whether the “successful dodge” also considers ranged shots

[plucky flax]

Depend on what unit.

Smol shooters yes but gunners no I recall.

[vestal fulcrum]

Hold on, so “is dodging” state doesn’t apply to gunners?

[cosmic sigil]

gunners do not have a melee stance

so tg regen is not shut off near them

[weary crane]

It doesnt seem to

the third one is evasion but theres no riposte

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, the enemy has to be attacking you in order to proc Riposte

This can’t be tested in the Psykhanium if you don’t turn on the AI with use of mods

[weary crane]

I just needed to crit?

I'm using a shield build anyway so being immune to ranged doesnt help that much

[vestal fulcrum]

No. The way to test this would be: you trigger Emphatic Evasion with a Crit, you try to get shot by a shooter while you are in a dodge state, and then you may proc Riposte, if the game has a check for it, for ranged attacks

EE is procced on Crit, yes, but Riposte works independently from it

[wind spruce]

Riposte procs off shooters, NOT gunners, all melee enemies/attacks except ragers, hound jumps, trapper nets and mutant charges

[vestal fulcrum]

Good knowledge, that, cheers

[weary crane]

Oh so it does work?

the game just has to check if im being shot?

[wind spruce]

Oh and shotgunners

[weary crane]

What happens if im not being shot tho

[wind spruce]

I'm not sure what you're asking but maybe you're getting confused about the mechanics

Riposte triggers on successful dodge, giving you extra crit

Empathetic evasion triggers when you crit, making you immune to range attacks for 1s

Getting "hit" by ranged attacks during empathetic evasion does not trigger riposte

[weary crane]

But if riposte triggers when dodging ranged then why doesnt Empathetic evasion cause it to work

[wind spruce]

Because Fatshark

[weary crane]

bruh

this is so triggering, if I want to play crit+dodge i have to use shield or gaze

[plucky flax]

Maybe they make it so the whole volley is 1 attack.

I dunno it's FartShart magic.

[wind spruce]

I think it's because they fire at the area you were last in or something weird

It sort of makes sense with how ragers and flamers attack and don't trigger it either

[wind spruce]

Just lean into gaze and have fun

[weary crane]

I would but

the peril resistence perks are on the left side of the tree

[plucky flax]

The one from warp charges?

[weary crane]

it also doesnt work with warpsiphon, which im using because of purga

[weary crane]

no the 5% ones

[plucky flax]

Is that from a node? 5% doesn't seem much.

[vestal fulcrum]

Left side has like 3 of these

They stack up to…

[plucky flax]

Okay that's big.

I only know the main talents.

Like wildfire and combustion.

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t think they are additive

But probably like a ~14,27% peril generation reduction (without considering other peril gen. reduction sources)

[weary crane]

it's so counter intuitive, gaze works best if you have high peril resistence but warp siphon doesnt reduce the cooldown of it

[vestal fulcrum]

It is what it is, but, do consider typing feedback on it on the forums

They probably can change it if people are vocal about it

[plucky flax]

Don't expect fast change. Surge was bugged for like nearly 2 months.

I lied. Probably like a month. But it was bad.

[vestal fulcrum]

[glossy ember]

based

[vestal fulcrum]

It still is a better solution than to whinge about it on community Discord

The game may be karked, but everything is subject to change

[weary crane]

I''ll try just using the quell peril perks

[rigid sky]

Yeah, tbh if I use Warp Siphon I only consider Venting Shriek viable

Gaze doesn't work with it and Shield doesn't really need to be spammed

But Shriek spam is more damage and feeds back into more warp charges

[vestal fulcrum]

Do you know what would be cool? If Warp Siphon charges persisted for as long as Gaze does

(Not the after-effects, though, that probably would already be too much)

But WS not working with Gaze is likely a balance decision

[rigid sky]

Gaze doesn't exist without DD for me

[glossy ember]

the only part that doesn't work is the cd reduction tho

the damage works

[vestal fulcrum]

WS potentially grants obscene amounts of peril gen reduction

[rigid sky]

Tbf that's the biggest part for me, not that the damage part isn't important too

[glossy ember]

you gotta think about gaze the opposite way

you don't wanna cast it often, you wanna keep it going for long

ws stacks help with that by lowering peril gen

[vestal fulcrum]

Currently Gaze, if you spec for WS, encourages you to stack it ASAP after triggering it

[rigid sky]

Yeah I usually just quell around the moment the pressure drops lol

[weary crane]

warp siphon doesnt reduce gaze duration

[vestal fulcrum]

Because if you do, you get to keep it for longer

[rigid sky]

Mind in Motion like a true scrub

[glossy ember]

yeah that's literally what i said above

[weary crane]

which is half the point of it

[vestal fulcrum]

And Gaze gives you additional power to regain your WS stacks quicker

[glossy ember]

nah you want the power and -% peril gen for gaze when using WS

[glossy ember]

this

[glossy ember]

and this

trigger it at a group of shotgunners and get instant 4-6 stacks

boom you're a walking nuke now

[vestal fulcrum]

I have respect for Gaze, but my brain sees Venting Shriek applying soulblaze for free/for efficient edging and my attention is elsewhere

[weary crane]

but when you use your ability it expends warp charges so you wont have the peril resistence anymore

[glossy ember]

yes thats why you stack them back up

asap

[weary crane]

meh

by the time you do

it will increase your peril rapidly

[glossy ember]

I'd post several clips of me having 4-6 stacks 3 to 5 seconds into gaze but i'm not home

[rigid sky]

You wanna activate it when there are specials/elites around anyway

Which should be always since this game's lowest difficulty is Auric maelstrom I - E

[wind spruce]

You extend gaze by killing stuff, don't stress about trying to pick up peril efficiency talents

And for the love of God don't run warp charges with it

[weary crane]

Yeah thats what i was saying

[glossy ember]

smh

no gaze with surge staff and warp siphons enjoyers around these days

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