psyker-class

[strong gulch]

Yeah, smite and purg have a lot of overlap. Trauma can CC even a pack of crushers. If you are just looking for CC, you don't even have to bend over backwards to get a decent roll.

[olive ember]

trauma is "support" because it provides the best CC of the staves, and with rending shockwave it also provides armor pen for team against stuff like crushers

tho that also means you are going for the worse of the two trauma builds, warp flurry + rending shock, instead of blazing spirit + nexus

[near wyvern]

Creeping flames + perilous combustion + smite (combustion required some direct damage to be present to trigger) and a room full of elites.

I also have battle meditation and in fire reborn, inner tranquility and all that shit so can just do it as long as the enemies last.

[strong gulch]

Here is video of trauma CC in action. #psyker-class message

[near wyvern]

Like there is nothing wrong with purg, it's just that you should never pair it with smite

[eager mantle]

I'll just be greedy and build blazing/rending trauma

[errant basalt]

Good to know~ it does make sense cuz the overlap

[olive ember]

that works with scriers gaze, but otherwise crit chance is a bit too low for the fire to be worth imo

what's psykers innate crit chance they can get to again?

[glossy ember]

scrier fire trauma

[eager mantle]

You can get like 13% I think off your tree

[olive ember]

I've ran it before

it worked

but I can't say how well because I had a purge staff psyker in my game as well

it def applied fire on its own, i just dunno how much of said fire it was and if it was enough to be useful

it also means you forgo shriek and creeping flames

which is another trade off

[strong gulch]

Video when??

[eager mantle]

I do actually have a rending/blazing staff. It's not a perfect staff. But it worked. Didn't notice a lack of soul blaze

[olive ember]

I also just hate how scrier plays tbh so

I stick with normal nexus blaze

Tbf I don’t particularly like shield either lmao

I only run shriek

It lets me run it down

[strong gulch]

I don't mind blazing spirit + rending shockwave and true aim as a CC tool to set up my melee attacks. It's not my favorite, but some do well with it / like it. Arcotash is the main one that comes to mind.

[olive ember]

True aim on trauma?

Ehh

Maybe if you melee a lot

[strong gulch]

Again for melee

lol yeah

[spice veldt]

wooooooooooo

[olive ember]

that’s def a playstyle thing and tbh ofc cracked out arcotash plays like that

Like have you seen his UI

[strong gulch]

Whoops. I summoned an arco.

[spice veldt]

i approach

[eager mantle]

Was it a thing before if you aim high enough you can charge trauma in the air?

[spice veldt]

ye

it glides along a spherical sort of surface once you reach its maximum range

[olive ember]

Why can’t they just buff my surge staff

So I can use lightning staff again without feeling sad

[spice veldt]

it's always been a neat thing to take advantage of if you want to gank something at elevation by playing distance

[glossy ember]

i have 0 trauma staff

[eager mantle]

I see the greatest enemy of warp magic is grated stairs. Because your trauma charge aim can fall through them

[strong gulch]

TRUE.

[spice veldt]

osha-compliant ramps when?

[strong gulch]

Trauma staff accessibility.

[olive ember]

This is why I play zealot now

[glossy ember]

i gotta getgood with surge first

[olive ember]

No thinking required

Just take sword and swing

https://tenor.com/view/tobuscus-diamond-sword-i-can-swing-my-sword-gif-23434327

[eager mantle]

My brain turns off a lil more than it should. I really slack on mitigating dmg when I play zealot for the weeklies

[half iron]

sord iz epic

[olive ember]

Mitigate damage? That’s what my kit is for

[strong gulch]

brunt...

[half iron]

brain turns on when i “need” to aim a throwing knife but brain goes off when i see anything else

[olive ember]

Mfw Marty zealot and I eat two hits from a rager and take zero damage

[eager mantle]

At least he's not trying to kill you

[half iron]

marty zealots when a med stimm “accidentally” goes into their skin

[strong gulch]

This is true!

Or is it?

[eager mantle]

Bro I feel my brain is turning to mush as martyr zealot. I can take how much dmg?

[half iron]

enough

[olive ember]

The only time I actually turn my brain on is when holy rev procs

Cuz then it’s like “oh shit I actually hit 1 hp reeEEEEEE”

And then when I go back to two wounds worth of hp I sleep again

[eager mantle]

Also if you don't know this is about 3 charge attacks before hitting 96 peril. My 79 warp resist trauma can do like 5-6 before hitting 100

[near wyvern]

At least it's burning my eyes

[fresh crater]

whats the best melee crowd control weapon for psyker now

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi still takes the cake

[frail sand]

what is the thought process behind taking gunker to melee maelstrom without a veteran

[fresh crater]

sounds about right guess its back to farming blessings then

[frail sand]

I had not one, but two gunkers on the team to melee maelstrom

[ornate hamlet]

I am of the mind that anyone maining their gun has a screw loose

[fresh crater]

i still just dont understand gun psykers to begin with

[ornate hamlet]

Even when I carry shit like an IAG or ILG, I still engage with melee most of the time

[fresh crater]

like the staffs are the bread and butter of my enjoyment as a psyker

[frail sand]

I don't care if u bring gunker on regular maelstrom, but like, on melee no ammo pickup maelstrom without a vet? What are they smoking?

[ornate hamlet]

Warp weed

Daemonkush

[compact bluff]

melee is significantly more fun than just spamming staff making the entire mode irrelevant to you
not that its you know. the better option. but its alot more fun to me

[fresh crater]

the stuff we are mixing into the zealots food and some stimms

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I did 1 (one) match with voidstrike spam yesterday and was like

[frail sand]

at least I got my first 1M dmg game... thanks to blazing trauma on melee maelstrom

[ornate hamlet]

Ok, this is cool and fun, but what if I actually engaged with dodging, blocking and pushing and positioning?

[fresh crater]

i just run purgatus or surge

now that im "allowed" to again

[ornate hamlet]

I'm almost sure somewhere out there there's a psyker magdumping an automatic weapon on 10 poxwalkers and reaching yellow ammo

Horror story for the night

[compact bluff]

gun psyker is very strong. but pub gun psykers are very very bad
its a fun dilemma

[frigid olive]

I aspire to be good at gun psyker, but alas, I am distracted by my need for the penance fashion

[fresh crater]

my thing is like if you want to use the guns why not play vet if you wanna melee ogryn and zeal are both technically better th3 thing that stands out is the staffs and how versatile they are while also not eating your teams ammo supply so idk maybe im just reading to far into it but i just dont understand

[vapid lichen]

magdumping a ciag on a single gunner 40 yards away

[ornate hamlet]

Because people play what the want is the first reason

But the second is that limiting class to melee or ranged is something that doesn't exactly exist in the game

[fresh crater]

and im not saying they cant i just feel like they are hamstringing themselves over it

[ornate hamlet]

They aren't, fortunately

[plucky flax]

Play gun psyker to complete kill x with range contracts.

[vapid lichen]

vet doesn't have bursts of like +50% movespeed which makes it cringe and slow and L+ratio

[plucky flax]

Staff warp power don't work for that.

[fresh crater]

throwing needles used to

[plucky flax]

Assail does yeah.

But fs is racist against staves.

[frail sand]

stavist

[fresh crater]

purgatus+ brain rupture is still one of the most dumb fun builds i have ran in this game

[plucky flax]

[ornate hamlet]

I do wish they offered more support for gun psyker though, because sometimes I really don't want to tell myself "assail makes up for the lack of reload speed or non-warp toughness talents"

[frail sand]

also pls buff blazing trauma

too weak

should be at 16 stacks of soulblaze on crit hit with 32 cap

[vapid lichen]

i wish we had a non-warp toughness gain other than mettle

[ornate hamlet]

Trying to do DS revolver psyker without assail is absolute ass

[vapid lichen]

although admittedly, landing some fat crit strings and getting all my toughness back is pretty solid

[ornate hamlet]

Your toughness regen fucking tanks and you don't have the reload speed that you can get with sainted gunslinger, volley fire, tactical reload or whatever was that weapon specialist modifier

[plucky flax]

Agreed.

[ornate hamlet]

I do appreciate the class weaving some warp stuff in the middle of the normal attacks to kind of indicate that psyker never really leaves the warp theme, but

[fresh crater]

maybe what they could do is allow warp imbued ammo

[plucky flax]

Me playing gun psyker but I use assail for 80% of the round.

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I wish we just had more warp-powered stuff like force sword or had more instances of the psyker using the warp to augment their non-warp performance

[fresh crater]

psyker manifesting power to augment the rounds power or something

[vapid lichen]

i should be able to use assail crystals like a melee weapon
stab a guy with the shard and just leave it there and generate a new one in my hands

[compact bluff]

nope sorry best fatshark can do is a little laspistol special push

[fresh crater]

idk how it would work with las weapons but

[ornate hamlet]

Emphatic evasion, for example, is the psyker using their uncanny clairvoyance bullshit to evade attacks with inhuman reaction

They have the potential to be faster than a zealot and more accurate than a veteran

[frail sand]

warp boolets when

[ornate hamlet]

There's nothing that aims better than a guy who can pretty much see the future

[vapid lichen]

actually
it would be cool as fuck if you could apply some sort of effect from your blitz onto your gun
like assail would make bullets home in, smite would make bullets electrocute, idk what brain rup would do

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic flayer but 10s cooldown instead of 15s

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's called precognition blessing on melee weapons.

All human classes have access to it.

[ornate hamlet]

Hell, veteran has a fucking precognition on their tree

[fresh crater]

extra headshot damage

[compact bluff]

consecutive weakspot hits cause a brain rupture would be a fun idea for that

[ornate hamlet]

It just stacks 5 by 5

[vapid lichen]

oh yea that'd be pretty sick

[near wyvern]

You can do it with smite but it's a bit less effective now that you can't stack True Ail with Smite anymore

[rose dagger]

Would be broken with IAGs

[vapid lichen]

it might be biased yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker, for example, could have ironbreaker's damage denial every X seconds

[fresh crater]

id say it would have to generate peril per bullet when use to balance making the IAGs dangerous for long bursts

[near wyvern]

I would gladly have Cerebral Lacerations back instead of the Kinetic Flayer node

Kinetic Flayer without charge gen is pointless

[ornate hamlet]

Let me see uhhh

[vapid lichen]

u could also have it do something like send a brain blast to execute the target when it gets below a certain hp

[ornate hamlet]

Faster blitz usage after X weakspot hits

Consecutive headshots reload a percentage of the weapon's ammo rounded up, maybe

idk spitballing here

Also soublaze infernus is a must

[fresh crater]

maybe we will get a 4th skill tree down the line for all classes

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker has access to recons and laspistols, but infernus is still basic fire

[fresh crater]

well 4th branch

[ornate hamlet]

And Fatshark showed that they can make psyker-specific stuff with the laspistol push

[vapid lichen]

double fire stacking

poggers

[near wyvern]

I'd say we are more likely to get an additional class rather than 4th lines to the current trees

[fresh crater]

garunteed 4th class will be first

but im saying down the line

[near wyvern]

Adding additional skill lines may make it hard to balance, when can you cross over and how much

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah

Psyker could get guaranteed crits

[near wyvern]

You mean 5th right?

[vapid lichen]

it would probably also look cluttered as fuck

[ornate hamlet]

Which they technically already gave to vet

[frail sand]

3D tree lets go

[fresh crater]

yeah sorry mid match

[ornate hamlet]

Oh wait, we have true aim

I mean, true aim unfortunately only works for ranged

[near wyvern]

True aim with columnus goes brrr

[vapid lichen]

actually this sounds fuckin sick

a 3d skill tree

[ornate hamlet]

It does mean you can store it when using melee, but I was thinking what if you could guarantee a DS4 crit?

[frail sand]

False aim when

[ornate hamlet]

Which technically is exactly what shroudfield and chastise are

[near wyvern]

+unyielding, raking fire, dumdum, true aim and gaze with precog and you can kill a beast of nurgle in 10 seconds with columnus

[ornate hamlet]

Except I want it on psyker

Give me idfk a magical charge of warp magic that I can use to guarantee a crit

Could even be a warp siphon mechanic

[near wyvern]

True Aim

[ornate hamlet]

Press button to spend warp charge to guarantee a crit

Some funny resource management and whatnot

[compact bluff]

you can get guaranteed melee crits on force swords/chainswords with bloodthirsty if you want that

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, true aim is very good and I enjoy it being ranged because it means I don't waste it on melee, but sometimes I want to use it on melee

Well yeah, but that requires using a bad blessing

In a way true aim has a similar problem to kinetic flayer

Which is you don't really control when to use it

[compact bluff]

what matters more to me is fun instead of optimal

[ornate hamlet]

Fortunately limiting the weapon type allows you to just not use the ranged weapon to store it

But in the end, you still will have the looming thought to hold that crit for something that needs it

You can get it back fast enough, but when something that dies with a crit doesn't die because you used the crit a bit earlier on something else, it kinda stings

Similar to how kinetic flayer is really good when it procs, but being able to store that proc to add it to any attack you want would be much better

[near wyvern]

Just bring back the 5s duration for bloodthirsty and we talking

[ornate hamlet]

Like holding G to imbue your weapon with one charge of the magical power of exploding brains

Supercharge your weapon with warp magic to deal not only a crit, but an extra extra crit that works at range

Which shroufield doesn't do

[compact bluff]

bloodthirsty either needs more guaranteed crits or to let you hold it for it to be worth properly considering yea

[ornate hamlet]

But also make it work for melee and make it not stealth the player

Basically give me the bounty hunter ult but as a weapon buff

War funding

[near wyvern]

Soulblaze imbued bullets when

With only global cap of 31 stacks

[compact bluff]

i want psyker shotguns where the special action is imbuing a shell with warp energy for some fun effect

[near wyvern]

Load a brain burst into the barrel

Works on all pellets

[compact bluff]

kantreal can be soulblaze, agripinaa can just be a normal shell + a brainburst on its target, lawbringer can just have the special shot fire 3 assail shards for example, something funky like that

[thorn cedar]

man imagine if kinetic flayer procced off 'your next weapon special'

[fresh crater]

id be all for gun psyker if the guns actually got some benefit from being used by a psyker

[thorn cedar]

you could punch a guy with the combat knife and their head would fkn explode

[fresh crater]

that would be fun

[glossy ember]

finally a use for staff special

[ornate hamlet]

I had the greatest idea

[brazen rampart]

gunker is just a side grade to using a staff, I don't see the issue

[ornate hamlet]

Empathic evasion becomes a stack that gets triggered on ranged damage

Functionally identical, but now you store it

[brazen rampart]

my stub revolver is a sidegrade to voidstrike staff, for all intents and purposes

[ornate hamlet]

If you crit someone, you get the one and only stack

The stack doesn't decay

On ranged damage, it gives you the 1s of ranged immunity

Fatshark hire me

[grand fox]

anyone got a fun gun psyker build. I wanna try something new on mine.

[digital narwhal]

Bro forgot about Warp Rider, Empathic Evasion, Disrupt Destiny, and Scrier's Gaze

[frigid olive]

knives :D

[digital narwhal]

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[ornate hamlet]

Someone give psyker a 10% attack speed node please

I can't stand playing non-psyker melees

Jesus Christ they're so fucking slow

[glossy ember]

play knife

[trim valve]

Alright, I did a bunch of Purgatus games to test it out in damnation. I kinda hated that there were a bunch of people playing Brain Burst because having double Brain Burst is awful, overall the weapons is better than I expected but still worse than the other 3 options.

[cold geode]

I posted one earlier today that I enjoy.

[cold geode]

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[rotund dagger]

they should increase the amount of times the surge staff chains to different enemies

[radiant gate]

It's great but its niche. You only pull it from backpack when there like 200 horde guys on screen or to melt line of 10 maulers in 10 secs. But skilled teammates greatly reduce amount of things on screen fast, often making purgatus less optimal to use. Those situations when it shines are like 10% of all situations (and never occur below auric damnation) and other time you are just playing without range weapon.

[quartz barn]

I mainly dislike how it forces you to play slow

Also goes against the staff special > melee random dog/mutant/burster > staff special gameplay loop

[trim valve]

I would not say it's great, is fairly simple to use though. Light attacked for instant stagger on horde units and most elites, charged for extra damage. I don't think using the charge attack often is a good idea, it slows you down a lot. I did noticed random teammates complain about their FPS dropping when I was soulblazing lots of targets at once. Good old venting shriek with crepping flames seems to do all I want from a purgatus staff but in an instance and with pushback.

[quartz barn]

Ye xbox cant handle big hordes that are on fire

[trim valve]

Hated Brain Burst with a passion, sadly I can't take Assail + Wildfire and Assail kinda does what I want from Purgatus minus the stagger.

[strong gulch]

There's the psylot build in the Atheneum up in the pinned messages. It's example build 34.1.

[cold geode]

cool, didnt actually reference it when i put it together

just kinda theory crafted what i thought would work, most games i can clear 500-600k

[potent echo]

You read it mainly to learn about all the weird arcane interactions

Like how the psyker aura doesn't affect specialist damage

Or how cdr aura is actually 17.5%

And wildfire

[summer prairie]

Learned some new things from Kuli's guide https://streamable.com/uad4qx

[potent echo]

I don't get it

[summer prairie]

The shout is applying skullcrusher and thunderous

[plucky flax]

Pushing also apply stagger debuff and thunderous.

Bleed on ongry apply thunderous.

Yet bleed on vet doesn't apply the onslaught brittleness talent.

[potent echo]

Sad that bleed doesnt work on vet onslaught

I think, tested it a few days ago

[harsh urchin]

Iirc it does

[potent echo]

It worked for me if the weapon also had thunderous

Maybe it's just psyk funniness again

[summer prairie]

Remember when the shout applied bleed and bleed reapplied bleed

[glossy ember]

yeah like ogryn bleed, dots apply your blessings

[summer prairie]

Only some of them

[glossy ember]

oh

huh

skullcrusher creeping flames users about to have a field trip

free 40% extra damage

[summer prairie]

And not like the shout applies all your on hit blessings

[near wyvern]

Still not great

Might be a bit better with Assail weave than creeping flames

[potent echo]

But also both

[glossy ember]

free 40% damage tho sounds kinda good

it's not like creeping flames need a melee anyway

[potent echo]

It will kill all trash regardless, shotgunners too if you maintain high peril with warp rider and perfect timing

[dark swift]

Should I roll the one on the left or just keep what I have for now on the right?

[potent echo]

Why are you considering to roll left?

[dark swift]

higher item rating

might get lucky idk

[analog apex]

So for the redacted psyker penance, do I have to use like basic brainburst? Like not have any nodes?

[potent echo]

Right side already has all you would want

[analog apex]

The one with 90% damage to monstrosity on heresy with brain burst

Or can i use a full brain burst build with a keystone and all that and it should still work?

[urban sandal]

they fixed a lot of penances in patch 14 so you should be able to use a full talent tree to do it

[analog apex]

[summer prairie]

SG pretty good if you can somehow get 6 stacks during it and have a combat stimm https://streamable.com/ujv8jn

[frigid olive]

Mayhaps tomorrow will be the day I get the brain burst penance

[near wyvern]

Yes very realistic and happens often

[summer prairie]

could maybe do it with purg and in fire reborn

[near wyvern]

Creeping flames is just better

Cause you can ult one wave and turn around and flame the other side

[summer prairie]

if you spin fast you may be able to apply the same number of dots in a 360 degree arc with purg

just have to kill your wrists

[patent wing]

and eyes

[summer prairie]

fr: a mod that makes you spin

Kuli's guide mentions this about Psychic vampire "If multiple Psykers are in coherency with each other, all of them get a warp charge when the talent procs for one of them."

that... would explain some things

[glossy ember]

3-5 stacks is a bit more realistic... except it's purg so you can't snipe elites instantly

[summer prairie]

pretty easy to get the warp charges actually

[glossy ember]

on purg?

[summer prairie]

when there's a horde and you can run assail with it

[glossy ember]

oo i guess you lit the horde up then pop scrier

and finish em with assail

[summer prairie]

something like that

So if there are 4 psykers running psychic vampire, every kill in coherency should have a ~15% chance to give a warp charge. Maybe multiple?

[orchid nest]

that's how the old one worked too

well, the chance stacked or something

I forget, it was something like that

[blazing echo]

for anyone suffering lag stutters and DC's give this a go

[cunning yew]

Whenever peril reaches 100% and the max peril voice line starts

[sly dawn]

so true

[violet oak]

My beloved sends his silliest warriors to his goofiest battles

[plucky flax]

Not on vet's onlaught talent.

But bleed does for thunderous blessing.

4 hits, 4 bleed, 7.5% brittleness from onslaught talent.

[midnight cove]

sad

makes me wonder which is intended

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/d9e9wp

[midnight cove]

bomber res? 👀

[summer prairie]

without bomber res, just the hotfix

[midnight cove]

oh there was a hotfix?

oh yeah there is

[summer prairie]

Bomber res: https://streamable.com/d2u61c

[midnight cove]

neat

wait so it doesnt even insta strip anymore

actually gutted

[bleak tulip]

that was the whole point originally yeah

[summer prairie]

with bomber res you can run over the fire without your toughness breaking

[midnight cove]

I'm not complaining

[summer prairie]

zealots probably take no damage basically if they stack

[midnight cove]

it was pretty ridiculous

it not stripping completely is actually such a massive change lol

[bleak tulip]

also vet shout might just let anyone walk out of these

Fixed an issue where the portrait picture of the player was not updated immediately after performing changes in the Mourningstar.

oh so that wasnt a mod issue then

thats neat I guess

[umbral helm]

it's funny too that if you look at the numbers changed it wasn't that big of a shift, but it makes such a huge impact. part of why it's not as simple as "just changing some numbers around" and actually getting the desired effect

[quartz barn]

Tbf the tics also got near halved

[potent echo]

UPDOOT

[potent echo]

Oh, the last tick actually doesn't bleed over from toughness to hp

[umbral helm]

true, it's just always interesting seeing what a slight value change can do, in the grand scheme

[potent echo]

Hey I was right

[potent echo]

Ah.. the same for the soulblaze one I suppose

[potent echo]

Offensive puzzle

[summer prairie]

Orthus Offensive is the map name but it could be offensive too

[glossy ember]

holy, bomber res is nuts

[deep whale]

I'm a bit upset scriers gaze still hasn't been fixed to benefit from warp siphon

It benefits from seer aura and from maelstrom cdr but not from warp siphon, it's really frustrating

[glossy ember]

they are trying to contain our power...

[potent echo]

Just like they contained our hair

Make our hair breathe again

[glossy ember]

where is my hair fatshark

WHERE IS IT

[olive ember]

where are my surge staff buffs

wtf

[half iron]

where is my large collar
fatshark more like lameshark

[slim raptor]

It's almost certainly some spaghetti code nonsense where they can't apply cdr unless the ability is on cd

Why veteran execution stance gets to have it's cd rolling while in use but SG doesn't boggles my mind tho

[deep whale]

Honestly it's fine that it doesn't start rolling until 100 peril, but the cd should start lowered

[slim raptor]

[deep whale]

You can sometimes be in gaze for upwards of 30s with exorcist and peril reduction

Having a rough 15s cd is fine if you've built the stacks

[slim raptor]

Sure but veteran can also have execution stance last past it's cd but it still gets to have it's cd rolling

[deep whale]

Another thing is that if you pick the finesse talent and it gains stacks in psykhanium but not in a match, yet when you hit 100 peril you get the stacks after is done

[slim raptor]

I have noticed that

Very annoying

I just wish SG was actually a option compared to shield and VS

Because it is very fun

[deep whale]

I have no idea if it's shadow giving the stacks

[orchid nest]

it's strong enough to be considered right now for gunker it does need some QoL changes though

[deep whale]

Gunker is fun, with laspistol you crit so often you ignore ranged dmg with the talent, and with mettle you regain a ton of toughness and movespeed

[orchid nest]

I prefer columnus atm, can't deny laspistol is both good and fun though

[tawdry pasture]

fatshark in some ways remind me of fromsoft

obscure and occluded user punishment

[umbral helm]

they are both abbreviated as FS

[midnight cove]

real

[umbral helm]

that being said from has gotten better at communicating with ER. still shitty that it took them over a decade to get there but hey, we're getting something. we'll take it

[tawdry pasture]

some kind of protective smokescreen

like they have a cat in a box at dev HQ and they dont want anyone external looking in there

[umbral helm]

with From it's mostly because they're a japanese company and language barrier and whatnot. there was a short period where we had an english community manager and they were a lot more receptive, but it just got worse again when he got relocated and wasn't our direct line to them anymore

[onyx sentinel]

worth it for the finesse diff?

[frigid zenith]

meh

[wide gorge]

fifth class should be a null/blank pariah that gets you insta killed in a cutscene once you hit lvl 30 by rannick

[hearty dagger]

Honestly a decent-tier Blank would just destroy the DH by proximity alone so i kinda doubt

[mental rock]

Nah I think a lot of people want admech or skiitari for fifth class

[hearty dagger]

And yeah, Admech class would be very cool, especially if we can go full on techpriest-tier

Give me the fucking Volkite Blaster, Melk.

[mental rock]

Fuck that give me a melta

[umbral helm]

what is the color of night?

[hearty dagger]

Ngl it would be cool if Techpriest didn't have nades per se but relics of some sort

[frigid zenith]

Sanguine my brother.

[hearty dagger]

We're talking 30k era weaponry

[wide gorge]

same, the tattoo option should instead be how fleshy your ad mech-reject is

[mental rock]

What if techpriest "grenade" is like a third arm which lets them hold another gun or something

[wide gorge]

from simple eye cybernetic to full on no skin i think

[mental rock]

Oo that could be a cool customization option

How mech do you want your admech

[frigid zenith]

The real story is that we find the fully functional ATC at the center of the hive and use it to rule the planet.

[mental rock]

Lol with a fully functioning atc we could rule the entire system

[wide gorge]

i think a admech reject should be more support based, aoe stuff regarding healing, toughness, dmg and even maybe a turret

[frigid zenith]

naahhhh, we aren't THAT smart.

[hearty dagger]

Mfw Magos Biologis who keeps screaming about the perversion of the human body that nurgle causes

[wide gorge]

would hadron be nicer to us if we were an ad-mech reject? or harsher?

[hearty dagger]

Questionable, on one hand, possible Heretek, on the other, not a fleshy dingus

[glossy ember]

it is

[deep whale]

They should just drop the reject angle

[violet oak]

Why

[summer prairie]

they removed 2h force sword luas, I'm taking that as confirmation that we are getting it next (actually they removed a ton of files that are unused)

[bleak tulip]

it'll happen

[icy wyvern]

2h axe when

nah, oggy needs crusher hammer first

[patent wing]

DS4: what is my purpose?

• u oneshot mutants

[vast yew]

It can, but it takes quite some effort to get there

You can also just special attack them and knock them right out of their charge on a headshot

[patent wing]

literally i prefer the chainsword to cut thru a horde if peril is full, but those damn mutants

[icy wyvern]

I'm having fun with DS4, helps with rager swarms

[patent wing]

you know i just had some of these games were somehow i was the carry, and the single time i died we lost

fking mutant

[eager mantle]

The reject angle can be easily dropped since at lvl 30 you are officially part of the war band. Any new class can just be seen as a new muscle coming in that that not everyone knows. "The tech priest advocated for you doesn't make any difference to me"

[patent wing]

i use purgatus fo that but ye, infinite stagger op

[icy wyvern]

Yeah if I'm carrying, we're wiping.

I can and will fumble the clutch.

[patent wing]

thinking about to just take the DS4 to handle mutants, what is necessary to One shot them

[vast yew]

if all you want to do is one-shot mutants the Deimos is much better at it

doesn't require warp siphon + Warp rider or double-perk setups

[icy wyvern]

yeah the sp attack gets em every time

[vast yew]

not even that

just the Heavy 2

the special attack locks you in place and is generally not recommended unless you KNOW that you're safe to do it

and even then L1H2 loops do higher DPS

[icy wyvern]

consider this:

im bad

[vast yew]

yeah but probably not that bad lol

plus the H2 knocks literally everything except monsters to the ground

[deep whale]

An admech class can be reinforcements due to an escalation in the conflict

[patent wing]

animation lock is to bad imo

i can kill 2 with ds4 in that time

[vast yew]

the uses for Deimos special attack basically boil down to:
You want to get max stacks of Uncanny really fast
You want to do an absurd amount of damage to a Scab Captain boss
You're fighting a single Elite and are bored/lazy/want to mix it up a bit
You can't be bothered to aim for the head on the charging mutant, so you just dodge + Special Heavy 1 it instead

[glass forge]

What do you guys do as psyker with a purg staff when 3 dreg ragers chase after you?

[vast yew]

left click, then channel right click

[true comet]

Is permament biolightning gone?

[vast yew]

has been for months

[patent wing]

spam left click

[potent echo]

why is this patch 4 GB

[glass forge]

Does right click channelling stun dreg ragers? I don't remember it stuns seems dangerous

[vast yew]

once they're staggered the right click channel should re-stagger them

it does but it takes a little while

[hot zephyr]

Anyone looked at the patch notes? Looks like they nerfed fire pretty hard

[vast yew]

if they're very close you're better off spamming left click but assuming you can make some space then right-click should work again

[glass forge]

Thanks

[vast yew]

by my quick calculations you take like 1/6 the damage if you stand in it for 2 seconds; definitely way more tolerable in theory

will have to hop in a game to see how it shakes out

think it'll still be insta-death if you get revived in it though

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, the patch note reads to me as "Standing in fire now for 5 seconds is the same as standing in fire for 2 seconds in the old version"

[quasi grotto]

can confirm, fire gets stronger the longer you're in it so i died in one tick when someone revived me in fire

[hot zephyr]

So you basically get 1-2 seconds grace to get out of it before the damage ramps

[hot zephyr]

oof

[vast yew]

Yeah the damage "ramp" still counts while you're downed, so when you get picked up it's dealing max damage

wasn't sure if the slower .35 tick rate would let you clamber out or not

[quasi grotto]

also, just managed to get warp battery earlier, thanks for the advice siblings!

[hot zephyr]

I mean, given base human reaction time is ~.22 before any input/computer-related lag, I feel like you're taking 2-3 ticks of fire in that revive scenario no matter what

[quasi grotto]

i'm not sure if i even managed to finish the getting up animation before i just died haha

[vast yew]

Reaction shouldn't really come into it because you'll be spamming dodge on the way up

[potent echo]

at max stacks the grenade fire does 32.5 damage per tick

[willow hazel]

Human reaction time doesn't matter when you know when you get up

[potent echo]

so you die in around 1 second at 100hp

better spam that jump and dodge button

[hot zephyr]

Ouch

Yeah, so even with this nerf the fire is still insanely lethal. So carry on as normal

[willow hazel]

half as lethal

[deep whale]

The biggest issue is that if you're downed in fire you will be still gaining ramped damage, so you can still die from rez

[summer prairie]

bomber fire is less dangerous than before the original changes, at least if you are actually trying to get out

[vast yew]

at least now if you stand in it for 1 second you take... about 30 damage, whereas before you'd take... about 80?

[deep whale]

They really need a 1 second grace period on rez, as funny as it is seeing someone get sniped the frame they're razed it gets old

[summer prairie]

that's on the person who is ressing

[potent echo]

waking up not holding block or dodge

[willow hazel]

Post res you could already slide dodge out of the fire, now it's just twice as forgiving timing wise

[deep whale]

Can't block fire or snipers

[potent echo]

you can iframe sniper shots

[vast yew]

at 2 seconds the diference is something like 68 damage for the new formula vs. 272.5 for the old

[potent echo]

fire well, as long as there isnt too much of it

[tawdry pasture]

zealots walk on hot coals

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, if someone goes down right as a flamer/bomber pack ambushes, you're going to have problems no matter what

But it should be a lot easier to just dodge out of the fire without being crippled

[vast yew]

the slower ramp combined with the lower tick rate should work wonders if you get out immediately

[tawdry pasture]

the AI's love to overkill so if somebody does die at the start they are now bait

[vestal cloak]

Fire may have been fixed but yall still better duck and hide when you hear me coming

[vast yew]

The fire may be fixed but the PTSD of the last week will stay with me forever

[ornate hamlet]

[vast yew]

seeing three incoming bombs as the group is desperately fighting for its life on a platform has been seared into my core memories

[carmine agate]

whats the nice staff now?

[vast yew]

the what now

if you mean which staff is the most meta then Surge-Voidstrike and Blaze-Trauma compete for that title

Surge and Purgatus are perfectly usable though

[vocal cliff]

Nuh uh voidstrike surge better (because I said so)

[carmine agate]

aight thanks

[icy wyvern]

Blaze and what on trauma?

I'm running shockwave and nexus rn and its pretty fun

[vast yew]

Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus; needs Critrate (and ideally 25% Flak) and a demigod roll to truly shine

If you can't build Blaze Trauma then Rending + Warp Flurry is the "2nd-best" build

Slightly better at killing elites but doesn't clear the horde at the same time.

[icy wyvern]

shame it takes so much work to get plasteel

[vast yew]

It gets better the higher you can push the difficulty

but yeah it's a grind

[icy wyvern]

well yeah but the higher I push the diff, the more i wipe, and the less i gt

it just stops being fun after the third wipe

[vast yew]

I find Damnation usually easier than Heresy

better teammates, mostly

but you do have to know the basics of melee combat and how to utilize your kit

[woeful patio]

I fail maybe half of my heresy runs due to the quality of players in that bracket

Damnation is a SOLID 90% success rate

[vast yew]

Malice and Heresy HISTG is where the true difficulty is

[woeful patio]

True

[near wyvern]

Can imagine cause you have to solo it... Wait... No, it would be easier to solo cause you wouldn't have morons pulling half the map when you are not ready

[vast yew]

You've got the one Gunker with a 30 damage-roll Braced Graia stealing all the ammo alongside the Ogryn who uses his Nuke on the first Rager he sees

meanwhile the Vet and Zealot are both running Dagger + Stealth and running as far ahead as they possible can

welcome to Malice, have fun leveling sucker

[woeful patio]

Solo heresy would be significantly easier as you don’t have sub 20’s agro daemonhosts and patrols

Plus it’s heresy 🤷‍♂️

[ornate hamlet]

Fellas, anyone in-game able to screenshot the run n gun blessing for me?

Still got me like half an hour to download the game

[violet oak]

Anyone else experiencing completely silent pox bursters?

[woeful patio]

It’s a T3 blessing not sure why you want a screenie of it

[rocky yarrow]

okay warp battery is definitely broken

great waste of effort

[vast yew]

Someone got it earlier today

[ornate hamlet]

To check the description

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I had this my last session. I wanted to play damnation but settled for heresy and it was a struggle bus.

[vast yew]

From gameslantern

[hot zephyr]

QP games it feels like half the time you get a run where someone just rage quit and they are about to wipe

[ornate hamlet]

That's the thing, I don't want Gameslantern because they have an unknown amount of incorrect info

[woeful patio]

You need the talent of the same name to complete it(6 charges)

[vast yew]

So do the in game descriptions

[violet oak]

lmao

stupidly true

At least the game is lore accurate

Imperium can't keep its shit straight

[rocky yarrow]

im almost positive that i beat my previous score

[quasi grotto]

No, I just did the penance a few hours ago without the talent that brings it up to 6

My max was 4 charges, kept it at 4 for the duration and that got me the penance

[woeful patio]

Odd, I did it with 6

Albeit prior to patch 13

[quasi grotto]

Should apply as long as you're at whatever maximum count is available to you, so 4 without the talent or 6 if you took the talent

[icy wyvern]

I did it with 4.

I'd say it's easier with 4.

[late yew]

I got kicked because i refused to take scriptures

fuckn morons

[flint plover]

justifiable

[quasi junco]

Take it then destroy it

[icy wyvern]

kicked?

[dull hearth]

Is jelqing just a psyker thing?

[icy wyvern]

You can kick people?

[flint plover]

Don't think you can destroy scrips

[quasi junco]

Oh lol

Maybe take the scrip and replace with ammo crate medkit later

[icy wyvern]

I will say, outright refusing to grab a book is kinda childish

Like if team wants you to take book, take book.

It's not a grim, it has practically no affect on gameplay.

[quasi junco]

Fuck Grims tho

[icy wyvern]

Yeah all my homies hate grims

[flint plover]

If you had an ammo crate or med kit, and you knew the team would need it later.. and you're on damnation, then yeah, i wouldn't pick up a scrip

otherwise why not

[quasi junco]

The rewards not worth the risk

[icy wyvern]

But there's plenty of people trying to get books for melk

[smoky linden]

only acceptable if they are Ogryns and say "I can't read"

[icy wyvern]

I mean, there's three books and four teammates

[quasi junco]

Books for melk worst contract ever

[icy wyvern]

So unless one of the other teammates had a med crate, i am confused

[flint plover]

maybe he was an ogryn

[quasi junco]

I reroll that 100%

[late yew]

these people are fuckn idiots then

[icy wyvern]

The number is way too damn high for the melk quest fs fs

[late yew]

it requires ridicilous amount of effort

[flint plover]

lmao right

16 of them ffs

[vast yew]

wtf is wrong with scrips though

[flint plover]

didnt it used to be lower?

[vast yew]

It’s a free reward unless you have both med crates

[icy wyvern]

I DONT WANNA I DONT WANNA

WAAA WAAA

If team says "hey can you pick up this speed stim" even though I'm never gonna use it, I pick it up

[vast yew]

Not taking scrips is like not taking tomes in VT2

[sonic coral]

PSA that even non-gunkers should remember to pick up ammo crates for their team, especially with the ability to gift consumables now there's no excuse

[late yew]

One of them picked it up instead of medkit he carried

I picked that medkit

and only after that i was kicked

[icy wyvern]

I mean, tomes changed the rarity of the gear you got

Bro are you sure that's the reason they kicked you

[late yew]

not even close

tomes are amazing

scriptures are fuckn useless dogshit

[vast yew]

Scrips give extra secondary mission rewards too

Not as impactful but hey, free is free

[icy wyvern]

more dockets for me to waste on brunts armory

[sonic coral]

why the hell did they make scripts and grims essentially pointless to pickup, as well as killing bosses and DHs

what was the brilliant plan

[late yew]

speeaking of brunt

[icy wyvern]

my team kicked me for not picking up scriptures and definitely not for saying the zealot's wife's onlyfans is free this month

[quasi junco]

I’ve let someone die before who was carrying a grim. I just purposefully took forever killing two bruisers

I ask if they can destroy it they say no…..

[sonic coral]

yea if someone picks up a grim while the team is struggling, know that you are choosing to value that book over your own life

[vast yew]

Grims I’ll take if the rest of the squad really wants to but otherwise naaaah

[icy wyvern]

It's definitely a team choice

"hey, grim?"

[vast yew]

Yes Billy?

[crystal cairn]

the real reason psykers are persecuted

[icy wyvern]

💀

[quasi junco]

Think we will get a Biomancy sub class?

[late yew]

real reason is that they don't pay for only fans since they can just view images from thoughts of people who did pay

[icy wyvern]

Yeah I'm having a hard time believing you were kicked for just picking up a medcrate and not for something whildly different

[late yew]

Then reread again

[vast yew]

He got kicked for being a Gnome

[late yew]

reading hard, i know

[quasi junco]

Playing Rogue Trader opened my eyes to what all a Psyker can do

[vast yew]

Can’t trust Gnomes

[late yew]

1. They tell me to pick up scripture

[crystal cairn]

or ratlings

[late yew]

2. I say "who the fuck cares about them ,they are useless"

[icy wyvern]

And you say "NO NO NO I WONT DO IT I WONT DO IT NONONO"

[late yew]

3. Another guy who had medkit picks it pu

4. i Pick the medkit he had

5. i got kicked

[icy wyvern]

why not just pick it up

[vast yew]

“Hey guys if I type it out slower people will believe me harder”
Mate we read just fine, we’re just skeptical that’s the whole story

[summer prairie]

you were kicked for being obnoxious

[icy wyvern]

time is rations

[hearty oak]

if you are carrying nothing, it literally hurts no one to get more money

[quasi junco]

I need to know the build before I comment

[icy wyvern]

I wouldn't have kicked you, but I also wouldn't pick you up if you went down.

[woeful patio]

Bro probably needed the scripture penance and instead of holding onto it you chose to be an ass

I’d kick you too

[flint plover]

I wouldn't have kicked him, but I would strongly wish for him to stub his toe

[icy wyvern]

"ope, guess the guy who hates scriptures bit off more than he could chew. shame."

it's a team game.

be team.

[late yew]

bitch

[flint plover]

teeming with people like him

[late yew]

i am more team player than you will ever be

[icy wyvern]

i team played your mother with your neighbor

[hearty oak]

Then why didn't you book up the book, nerd

[quasi junco]

lol I’ve hundreds of hours and only kicked 1 person, for being afk

[flint plover]

https://tenor.com/view/tifa-tifa-lockhart-ff7og-ff7-ffvii-gif-16729434

[vast yew]

That is not very rock and stone of you sir

[icy wyvern]

its on her of tonight

[vast yew]

I’ve also kicked one guy but it was for saying the gamer word

[icy wyvern]

thats a bold move, cotton.

[smoky linden]

i'd rock it

[hearty oak]

I've kicked people that were carried to the end of the mission.

[vast yew]

It was the cherry on top of a mission filled with colorful commentary and failed votekicks

[quasi junco]

Kinda mean lol

[vast yew]

Ayo if you finished anyways don’t be that guy

Could’ve just been having an off day

No reason to be a dick like that

[icy wyvern]

its warhammer, you're gonna see some dicks

[hearty oak]

low level, bad build, 13 deaths
No one rides for free

[vast yew]

Doesn’t new you have to be one

[quasi junco]

Kicking loner knife zealots is always acceptable tho if they play awful

[vast yew]

If he’s low level and bad build and dies twice early you kick him immediately instead of wasting 30 minutes of his time

[icy wyvern]

Usually I don't have time to votekick a knife zealot since they're triggering all the spawns behind them

[vast yew]

Plus it makes the rest of the mission easier

[late yew]

I team played your neighbor with your mother

[icy wyvern]

my neighbors are cool af i hope they had a good time.

[late yew]

shut up, leaf lover

[vast yew]

Says the gnome masquerading as a dwarf

Everyone knows where you got that red hat faker

[vocal cliff]

We seeing an elf dwarf fight again

[late yew]

they did

[icy wyvern]

rad

[late yew]

no light is so fuckn cancer modfier

[woeful patio]

It’s such a good modifier

[eager mantle]

I like it

[woeful patio]

That and fog are my favorites as they actually change how you approach engagements

[late yew]

you all are psychotic

[woeful patio]

Infinitely more enjoyable than OOPS ALL HOUNDS

Or WHOOPSIE ALL SPECIAISTS

[late yew]

fog is fine

[tawdry pasture]

survival horror gaming

[bleak tulip]

easier to see in dark modifier than fog thats why people prefer it

[eager mantle]

Only thing I would like with lights out is a bit more small light sources. It can be dark, dark but I just want to have a bit more color for the appearance of the map

[woeful patio]

If there’s no lights I use a Purgatus and become a torch for my teammates

[tawdry pasture]

try shooting a barrel

[woeful patio]

Or just run BB and channel as a source of light

[bleak tulip]

might as well use smite

[violet oak]

Whats not enjoyable about that?

[icy wyvern]

oops, all bombers

[woeful patio]

Not saying it isn’t enjoyable, it’s just you still approach engagements largely the same way as normal

[quasi junco]

Didn’t they fix fire dam?

[violet oak]

they did

[woeful patio]

“Fix”

[robust relic]

melkbux question - back when I played ages ago staff kills did not count as "ranged kill" for melk quests...did they ever fix that?

[icy wyvern]

Still hurts, but now only if you're dumb

[eager mantle]

Hound wave incoming. Team gots it. In the time my team were handling the 2 hound waves I killed 4 trappers, a bomber and a toxic flamer spawning out of a door behind us

[mighty cipher]

Both of the Low vis modifiers are dogshit and you’ll have to grip me by the balls and force me to play them.

[violet oak]

Yea

[woeful patio]

Consider it done

[icy wyvern]

by the balls, you say?

[late yew]

... you are baiting us, don't you, you actually are into that shit

[tawdry pasture]

lights out auric dam

lets goo

[eager mantle]

I like fog, running exe stance with plasma and shooting a dh I didn't see across the room while trying to shoot gunners and snipers

[woeful patio]

Zealots wear chastity belts can’t change my mind

[mighty cipher]

I’m not a masochist but pain is a phenomenal bargaining chip.

[icy wyvern]

It's not locktober anymore, zealots took them off.

[late yew]

well if you shoot it once, it only wakes up, but does not attack yet

[eager mantle]

Yea try seeing it in the orange fog in the room I was in

[icy wyvern]

If you put burn stacks on it, do the ticks wake it?

[violet oak]

[late yew]

i think so

[mighty cipher]

I spent 42 minutes in a lights out Carnival one time. We didn’t even die we just couldn’t figure out where we where going.

[late yew]

It has to do with total damage

[late yew]

actually my latest completed lights out was therte

[quasi junco]

Last two times I tried surge staff I arc’d to a DH and woke it. Threw that shit away

[violet oak]

[late yew]

and it was not hard to navigate

[tawdry pasture]

the ascetic experience

[late yew]

Sounds like ultimate skissue

[hearty oak]

I've tried but some people have a bigger heart than me

[mighty cipher]

This was less than 3 days after the map was added

[icy wyvern]

dudes im so sick of the new mission

[eager mantle]

There's a certain feeling in lights out and you turn and see a wave of glowing yellow eyes shamble towards you

[quasi junco]

Yep so I tossed it and now no skill issue

[fluid knot]

Lol, i pickup grims to weed out the weak from the strong

[icy wyvern]

i think its the only mission on dam ive played in three days

[mighty cipher]

Burnout or genuine dislike?

[icy wyvern]

burnout

[mighty cipher]

Burnout, got it

[icy wyvern]

it keeps coming up

[violet oak]

Just dont queue for it?

[mighty cipher]

It’ll be like this for a while

[tawdry pasture]

if you cant fight tiny flying robots blind wyd

[violet oak]

Contrary to popular belief, theres a mission board, with missions

[quasi junco]

3 damnation lol

Remove one T1. No one plays that shit

[mighty cipher]

Quick play is HEAVILY weighted to give you the new map. It’s more or less a 50/50 between the new map and literally anything else.

[violet oak]

Which is precisely why i said what i said about the mission board

[late yew]

quickplay bonus though

[violet oak]

A small bonus isn't worth burnout

[eager mantle]

If they wanna keep the mission board system they gotta put a few more on it at one time

[quasi junco]

They do that so the player base isn’t diluted

[late yew]

that system really helps filling lobbies fast

[potent echo]

you think people who play T1 are the same people who play T5

[quasi junco]

But a fourth T5 wouldn’t hurt

[mighty cipher]

Also backfill during extract GGEZ

[mighty cipher]

Yes

[quasi junco]

No but T4/T5

[late yew]

t4 is harder than t5

[quasi junco]

Cuz noob players?

[woeful patio]

Yes

[mighty cipher]

Ive literally played Auric Damnation with a guy, and then a few days later caught him in a Sedition game because we both had contracts we needed done.

[violet oak]

going to sedition for contracts? crimge

[mighty cipher]

You’re gonna need some more bait.

[woeful patio]

I’m exclusively playing Low Difficulties to get Scriptures or Grima done

16 is fucking nuts

[quasi junco]

Reroll those

[eager mantle]

Nah reroll

[woeful patio]

Especially with them being side objectives

[woeful patio]

BRO THE MONNERS THO

High Difficulty they give like 500 or something

Sure I could collect 200 Plasteel but then I get less

On the off chance Melk has something I actually want (0.001%) I gotta have it

Also if you Reroll and get a duplicate contract it’ll Reroll the other one

Game is so unfinished

Not even funny

[eager mantle]

Be nice if they are gonna have weeklies, dailies or penances rewarding plasteel and dockets would be nice. I like the game fatshark, I also gave you more money. Now just let me actually have money and materials

[tawdry pasture]

have you considered what you are saying is heretical

[woeful patio]

Year after release and we’re finally reaching where it should have been in Beta

About time

[woeful patio]

You call me a heretic when there’s people that make a Psyker and use guns

[mighty cipher]

I don’t know man. Getting sent to the fucking backrooms by a Chaos spawn or because I ran faster than the doors could close is funny as shit.

[proven stirrup]

I'd rather they fix our fucked economy so the money we get is enough

[tawdry pasture]

i call them big ball gun enjoyers

[woeful patio]

I call them baby vets

[eager mantle]

Gun psykers are based warp crayon enjoyers

[proven stirrup]

We don't need to be spammed with mats and dockets, we just need what we get to go further

[woeful patio]

This channel should be segregated into two so the TRUE PSYKERS don’t need to affiliate with the primitives

[tawdry pasture]

once you see a psyker clutch with their gun you dont complain, youre only mad about bad builds

[woeful patio]

Assail exists I’m already furious

BB and Surge are the only abilities Psyker has you cannot tell me otherwise

[mighty cipher]

The gun psykers are connoisseurs.

[eager mantle]

Only 1 thing has pulled me away from gun psyker atm and that's because I finally got soul blaze on a trauma staff

[woeful patio]

They are Vermin

[violet oak]

"once you see a psyker clutch with..."

[mighty cipher]

Genuine Skill issue

[tawdry pasture]

a surging revolver psyker is functional

[quasi junco]

I think Assail is a tabletop ability

[violet oak]

my brother in christ, ive clutched by holding block, clutches aren't nothing magical

[woeful patio]

NC Liberator is right

[violet oak]

hi, i love you

unless you play vanu

[patent wing]

to one shot mutants on ds4 i need +maniac and +speecialist only?

[woeful patio]

I play NSO

[violet oak]

i will tolerate that answer

live free in the nc

[woeful patio]

I forsake good weapons in the name of population balance

[late yew]

You clearly are not very smart

[mighty cipher]

The only reason I don’t play gun psyker myself is because I find edging way too much fun.

[mighty cipher]

Indeed. Now do I risk a warning or ban to elaborate on why?

[tawdry pasture]

all the classes get multiple button push abilities

gun is one of several

[woeful patio]

Every time I hit 99 Peril a surge of ecstasy hits my body like an Ogryn plowing into a mess hall

I love staves so much

You forsake your place in the Emperors light by using firearms

#veteran-class is down the hall

You won’t be missed

[mighty cipher]

99%? Bitch we ACTIVATE abilities at 99%.

[eager mantle]

Here edge with this

[analog apex]

What about cowboy psyker with Assail + fanning revolver. Is a good time

[tawdry pasture]

that wont stop me from using space lightning then emptying rounds indiscriminately

[woeful patio]

The Chaos Gods put firearms in our pool to weed out the weak

All goes according to plan it seems

You’re all getting coal none of you are clean

[analog apex]

My main build is lightning and lightning staff.

[violet oak]

[mighty cipher]

Macrowave

[woeful patio]

Anyone that’s used a firearm or assail on Psyker has a flag placed on them in the server backend that allows me to dodge games with you

[ornate hamlet]

My condolences

[woeful patio]

I will remain pure in this sea of insanity

[mighty cipher]

Why do you dislike assail?

[analog apex]

Tbf, assail is my least favourite psyker ability I just wanted to try something new cuz I’d used nothing but lightning from 1-30

[woeful patio]

The game will die before we get guns that aren’t mediocre at best

[frigid zenith]

gunpsyker is a meme.

[eager mantle]

Need a crossbow that shoots assail shards

[violet oak]

Do you play vanu?

[frigid zenith]

Memes are fun though.

[mighty cipher]

It’s the highest theoretical DPS possible.

[analog apex]

When they add new skill tree paths. I really want like, a gravity crush ability like not any explosions, I just want a few particle effects around the area and then everything inside the area to be crushed into paste

[tawdry pasture]

outside of jargon it's just going back into ammo economy to enjoy different playstyle, you can do it without wasting nodes

[violet oak]

I cast fist

[tawdry pasture]

use an alt set to make one or something

[analog apex]

Like an invisible boot. I want to crush things with a downward force of gravity

[patent wing]

is uncanny strike on duel sword 4 increasing dmg on mutants?

[woeful patio]

I’m going to assume we aren’t getting any new abilities anytime soon as clearly the “new class every quarter” was thrown out the window and instead our current archetype system was reworked and reworded

[frigid zenith]

Trauma Blaze on AM scab melee only would like to have a word with you.

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

[woeful patio]

Instead of Zealot - Preacher we now just have Zealots and so on

[analog apex]

They did also say with the new system of one big skill tree with branching paths is they could add new branches. New paths instead of doing a whole subclass they can just add a new path.

[mighty cipher]

I should’ve specified low target count.

[woeful patio]

Doesn’t fix the arbitrary node path issue

[mighty cipher]

What issue?

[frigid zenith]

Combat Axe martyr builds would like to have a word with you.

[mighty cipher]

This skill tree is on of the best I’ve every seen in my life

[mighty cipher]

They don’t even come close

[woeful patio]

Oh you want to use BrainBurst and not be slowed while quelling? Too bad. You can’t reach that particular node with BB in any way

V2 system was better as you could just pick what you want from a list

[mighty cipher]

That’s not really an issue. It’s called tradeoffs.

[harsh urchin]

Lol you're insane

[woeful patio]

(Although obviously it wouldn’t scale with how many options we have now)

[mighty cipher]

Also, just learn to quell hop

[harsh urchin]

Bad players with bad takes 🙈

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly everything should be reachable by everything

[woeful patio]

It’s not a tradeoff as there’s no actual balance decision behind it

You just can’t reach it

[mighty cipher]

Absolutely fucking not

[ornate hamlet]

I don't want dumb shit like not being able to take the crit aura with shriek

[harsh urchin]

Just give everyone the entire tree

[mighty cipher]

That’s why it’s a trade off

[ornate hamlet]

My force sword memes are punished because the intern decided purgatus should apply double stacks on crit

[harsh urchin]

Also make enemies in the game do 0 damage

[frigid zenith]

On the real real, I've been in a lot of games with really REALLY good gunpsykers. Trauma blaze and good gunpsyker builds do about the same damage over all. It's all highly dependant on who else is on the team and how fast they're downing targets.

[harsh urchin]

Because taking damage is unfun

[icy wyvern]

Any build is good if the person using it is.

A bad blaze trauma player is gonna get gapped by a good gunker

[frigid zenith]

eh, to a certain point. No amount of player skill is going to make up for some short falls on mechanics.

[mighty cipher]

Assuming that players are on the same skill level, yeah. It also is something to note that trama blaze is slower mass clear and Gunker is unmatched ”That asshole” clear.

[frigid zenith]

Well sure, same if true for most things.

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but most gunkers are picking up all the ammo and shooting all the poxwalkers

[frigid zenith]

Sure, it's all give and take. Trauma heavy CC and warpfire damage, guns are just... guns.

[icy wyvern]

I'm just having more fun with void surge than i do with trauma

I'm sure trauma's good but pointing in a direction and killing that thing over there makes more sense to me

[harsh urchin]

Also dying to crushers

[mighty cipher]

And the guns make me hard in this game. They aren’t special but they don’t need to be. They have a phenomenal base.

[tawdry pasture]

psyker man got me nearly ded wit laffs

[eager mantle]

Had a game where a plasma vet was flaming me "gunkers are stupid wasting all the ammo". The entire mission I was sustained on ammo off of his aura and picking up small ammo boxes ONLY while everyone else was white

[frigid zenith]

For sure, always play what's fun. I only side eye people when they do shit like gobble up all the ammo when there's a bunch of other ammo users in the game and they aren't even top dps.

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, everyone does.

[analog apex]

With my desperado assail + fanning revolver crit build i can two tap crushers at max stacks

[queen fog]

Mmm gunkers make me glad I use ammo aura vet

[woeful patio]

It’s not a tradeoff it simply isn’t an option

[frigid zenith]

If we are winning, and having fun, I don't care what people do. But guns on a space wizard will not never be a meme.

[tawdry pasture]

the game allowing it and encouraging it:

[queen fog]

I love supplying gungryns too

[icy wyvern]

flaming anyone is stupid

[woeful patio]

I disagree

[icy wyvern]

is game, is fun, have fun

[mighty cipher]

Flaming toxic people is an obligation

[woeful patio]

This is the internet and flaming is our passion

[tawdry pasture]

tox flamer

[woeful patio]

An obligation for sure

[queen fog]

Flaming heretics is constructive, flaming fellow rejects?

Optional

[frigid zenith]

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[icy wyvern]

tox flamer be like "get gud scrub"

[tawdry pasture]

flox tamer

[analog apex]

I think the right key stone should be buffed so that you only lose a few stacks at a time and not all of them cuz that shit is wack.

[woeful patio]

Tox Flamer be like “SCRIPTURES ARE USELESS”

Then complain when kicked

[icy wyvern]

full circle, i love it

[analog apex]

Building up 30 stacks and then slapping everyone with fanning feels great and then I lose my stacks between hordes and I gotta start again

[glossy ember]

flames are for nerds

[analog apex]

And then a monstrosity spawns while I’m at 3 stacks ;-;

[glossy ember]

real ones use electricity

[tawdry pasture]

sent to the burn unit, blinded by purgatus spam, didnt read

[icy wyvern]

I'm definitely not playing dd like I ought to because I don't think I ever get 30 stacks

[glossy ember]

burn these ++REDACTED++

[tawdry pasture]

[bleak tulip]

people who run out of ammo on plasma use plasma too much, or actually charge their shots which is pointless like 90% of the time

[icy wyvern]

Plasma vets seething when my voidstrike kills their target right after they click

[analog apex]

I get to thirty pretty easily using the charged assail move to always hit my target and then once I start getting stacks I start one hitting with assail and I get more stacks and then once I’m at full stacks I can 1 tap ragers and 2 tap crushers and maulers and do some chonky boss damage with the fanning revolver but usually I lose all my stacks by the time I see a monstrosity

It’d be better if you only lost like 5 at a time or something

[tawdry pasture]

seeing my name do all the crusher mobs with purgatus on dam as the only psyker, doing the demonhost

they dont know the power the 1mph crazies contain

[mighty cipher]

That’s what it means to be a trade off. You picked the long literally infinite range option. Why should you ever need to quell while moving? Even then that talent is actually pointless due to the existence of quell hopping.

[violet oak]

"infinite range"

[icy wyvern]

quell hopping

[violet oak]

most of the maps are pretty tight

[icy wyvern]

yall come up with crazy shit get outta here

[violet oak]

I wouldnt say range is something worth trading off for

[icy wyvern]

im not playing darktide like titanfall

[vast yew]

Given how... niche quell while moving is when A: it's so fast and B: you can slide, I think that particular node is more of a nerf to Assail than a restriction placed on BB

[icy wyvern]

get your wacky move tech outta my christian servers

[tawdry pasture]

you've been d

[mighty cipher]

It’s literally jump+quell. It’s that fucking easy.

[vast yew]

eez nutsed

[tawdry pasture]

p

[icy wyvern]

i said get that wacky shit outta here

[tawdry pasture]

(dodge and parried)

[icy wyvern]

the only time i jump is when i fuck up dodging

[vast yew]

Can't say I've ever jump-quelled but I slide-quell all the time

[icy wyvern]

quell jumpers seething at the happy shriek enthusiast

[mighty cipher]

Im the opposite.

[orchid nest]

even if you don't want to do that quelling on a staff is almost as fast as mind in motion anyways

[tawdry pasture]

after that comes riposte

[vast yew]

the problem with jumping is it doesn't dodge ranged attacks nor break tracking

so if you jump away from a Rager about to eat your face... you still get hit

[bleak tulip]

mind in motion is kinda pointless anyway, use staff to quell and dodge slide and by the time you run out youre back to 0

[tawdry pasture]

then you have roasted n cut up heretic

[mighty cipher]

It does outpace it in speed and doesn’t consume a dodge. They both have their uses.

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/why-isnt-it-posssible-its-just-not-american-psycho-gif-26353597

[bleak tulip]

or vent with force sword and keep dodging

[glossy ember]

i love mind in motion

[icy wyvern]

I keep trying to quell with my duelling sword and feel dumb

[mighty cipher]

They took our infinite dodge tool

[tawdry pasture]

honey, i was parried

[glossy ember]

MiM is goated with the sauce

[woeful patio]

Infinite Dodge was definitely OP but the amount of time it took to get rid of my muscle memory was very difficult for me

[vast yew]

technically sliding usually consumes 2 dodges as you're doing it backwards/to the side but indeed. Outside of combat though Quell while moving is pretty dead because your natural decay is sufficient

(usually)

[mighty cipher]

I forgot about the double dodge eat.

[woeful patio]

Rookie Mistake

[vast yew]

tis the price you pay for being able to gtfo half a room away

[tawdry pasture]

backsliding is the best dodge

[mighty cipher]

Honestly I find myself trying to keep my peril up between fights so I don’t have to build it back up for warp rider.

[woeful patio]

Everything is fun and games until you hit -3/5 Dodges and die to Crusher Upper

[mighty cipher]

Exactly

[vast yew]

I have no idea how in the world your character would even physically perform a backslide but yeah it's great for getting space

[tawdry pasture]

youve been overheaded

you had full hp and toughness

[woeful patio]

Lubricated Ass

[bleak tulip]

it takes like 1.8 seconds to quell with a good staff and a better talent

[vast yew]

good ole right-click spam in an elevator moment

[tawdry pasture]

thats how it goes in the warp

[violet oak]

lube shoes, push backwards, slide

[queen fog]

Warp physics, source?
Idk emperor told me in a dream

[vast yew]

Booden plays Surge Staff + Gaze + Warp Siphon, he's a madman and cannot be reasoned with

[mighty cipher]

God 720 backslide dodges are the stupidest looking things in the game.
Bayblade bayblade let it rip looking ass.

[tawdry pasture]

hes trying to power the spaceship

[glossy ember]

ok well uhhh

still based

[queen fog]

One of my buddy ogryns figured out how to do it and made us die of laughter on a elevator

Never gets old to see someone that huge sliding like they’re over a pub table

[glossy ember]

i use mim with a 80% quell stat and 30% quell talent

[vast yew]

I use MIM because I have Assail and need to get over to the cooldown Aura.
You use MIM because you're missing your Ctrl key
We are not the same

[glossy ember]

[orchid nest]

it's at its least value with a staff tbh not even because of the quell speed but because you move faster while quelling with a staff as well and it's not even that much slower than mim

[mighty cipher]

Step one: Backdodge
Step two: Slide out of dodge
Step three: 14k DPI.

[tawdry pasture]

chivalry mechanics in darktide

[vast yew]

Be sure to stare at the ceiling while charging a heavy for maximum comedy

[glossy ember]

scrier without MiM feels so booty

[queen fog]

Chivalry movement is nuts thanks for reminding me

[tawdry pasture]

imagine you start seeing all players spinning and rotating at the ceiling during hordes and crushers

(w crouch)

[zinc phoenix]

How is fire now?

[tawdry pasture]

normalest team

[queen fog]

From what I’ve heard? Fixed

[mighty cipher]

Ramps up instead of starting off at instant death

[vast yew]

deals a lot less damage, though you still don't want to stand in it or you'll still cook

[zinc phoenix]

Did they tone it down so that non zealots don’t instadie

Yessss

[queen fog]

Ya cuz that damage was ramped up way quicker than they wanted it to so it was a bug

[vast yew]

deals like ~50% less damage over the first second and like ~75% less damage over the first 2

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been on that rogue trader train

[queen fog]

Now it’s gone

[mighty cipher]

Zealots insta die? Bitch I have 83 health after a revive.