competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

completely surprised me

[cyan smelt]

Archaludon?

That doesn't really help against koraidon or Zama never mind

[chrome knot]

bc its not useful lol

[cyan smelt]

When I'm playing Zama I always struggle against bolt

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chosen-jesus-point-look-up-smiling-gif-18032168

my big issue is WideGuard Zama

non wide guard is no problemo lol

[cyan smelt]

Something with earth power or strong single target ground moves then?

[real prairie]

Rhydon 🤣 Lightning rod earth attacks

(thats a joke)

[solid frigate]

i mean i am using Crown so Me and Oneofakindof are using 5 meta+1 Niche

which idk lmao

[real prairie]

haha crown is interesting

psyspam?

[solid frigate]

ew Psyspam crown

[real prairie]

🤣

[cyan smelt]

Eviolite rhydon?

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/102cb737faaed976 or just

[cyan smelt]

I mean pizza used tera fairy eviolite rhydon

[real prairie]

Interesting you dropped Incin

what happens re TR

[chrome knot]

taunt

you also have ways to just nuke the tr setter

[real prairie]

fair, v fair

may steal it but replace Urshu w/ Ludi lol

[foggy lodge]

Tera grass power whip picks up a specific ko or something?

[torn parrot]

PIZZZAA

[real prairie]

i was using Tera Ice to outspeed and get the KO on Rilla

[timber falcon]

turns out roaring moon and a few good swaps was what i needed to make zacian work

[left bobcat]

I’m just built different

[solid frigate]

didnt Drago test That as well-

[chrome knot]

PIZZA YAAAAAYYYY

mayaaaa i bought new toiletries and i jus got out of the shower and i smell so beautifullllll

[real prairie]

What's a good Lando spread?

[chrome knot]

252/252/4

[real prairie]

I figured

Speed SpAk HP

[chrome knot]

mhm

@ timid so it can function outside tw

[real prairie]

Lando gets zero flying moves right? Lol

Stupid typing 🤣

[tiny karma]

Landorus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dig, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Outrage, Payback, Punishment, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Earth Power, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Sandsear Storm, Scorching Sands, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Landorus.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

earthpower sludgebomb sandsear @ tera poison

[real prairie]

Yeah that's the standard

[chrome knot]

its pretty telegraphed😵‍💫

[real prairie]

Was just curious

I'm wondering if this is better than fake out encore since I have encore on Whims anyway

Ludicolo (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Fake Out
• Icy Wind
• Energy Ball
• Weather Ball

[chrome knot]

you’ll win more once you stop running a 5mon team but you aren’t ready for that conversation

[torn parrot]

Ayyyy that’s great I’m glad your feeling good ^^

https://tenor.com/view/eating-anime-girl-eating-food-comida-comendo-gif-27483356

[torn parrot]

I dream of a reg G where you can legitimately use a mewtwo

I want mewtwo to live up to his fake hype

[molten oasis]

Go play mewtwo then

[torn parrot]

No that’s why I dream of it

Because it’s a world we don’t live in

He ain’t even fun bad to use

He both boring and bad

We need mewthree next gen

I want mewthree

Trimew

Trinamew

[molten oasis]

Maybe one day

[forest arrow]

Yall already know we’re gonna get Charizard Z before a mewthree lol

[charred saddle]

palkia

[strange fjord]

Mega Mewtwo Z 👀

[left bobcat]

Just fly bro

[mint void]

can anyone quick send me a calyfairy team

[solid frigate]

My reaction to this statement

[torn parrot]

It’s a shame that old teamsheets get lost to time

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278105745-toif58n9c3l11ph5paklmtgjn7qrboipw

friendly reminder to stop "cooking" with white kyurem

[molten oasis]

but its funny

[solid frigate]

it is funny

[torn parrot]

It’s just tragic because he isn’t special

Half the restricteds don’t even have abikities

[mint void]

So I think half my team being tera water isnt the best thing in the world but uh yeah...

[molten oasis]

there was a team where everyone was tera water

[vernal shadow]

How do I find the stats of a Pokémon at level 50 ? I'm looking at speed tiers and can't figure how fast a Pokémon is. Ik it's baseline is 80 but how fast is it in vgc ? How fast with maxed EVs ?

[charred saddle]

#competitive_discussion message

you can probably refer to this

[gentle crag]

https://x.com/chorutowo/status/1876440912731275596?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Choruto (@chorutowo) on X

My Speed Tier Spredsheet has been updated for Reg G!
You can find it here

https://t.co/A5TnrCdDuG

Its a compendium of the most popular speeds hit, sorted by Pokemon/The stat spread used to get there.
Enjoy!

Twitter · Jan 7, 2025, 1:29 AM

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by abused1. Message from · Jan 7, 2025, 2:22 AM

[vernal shadow]

It's what I've been comparing too but I'm looking at using some really low percent usage Pokémon and I'm trying to figure out how to find it's stats at lower levels. I can find base stats and that's about it

[charred saddle]

then prob just go to showdown

set it to 50 and u can check them

its the easiest

[vernal shadow]

So it's just not on the list. Is there a site that shows stats at level 50 and 100 or something ? If EVs are 1 stat point for every 4 EVs, is it double that for level 50 ?

[vernal shadow]

That's a really smart move right there. Didn't think about that 😅

So 132 is the speed tier I'm at with a squishy gardevoir. I'm determined to figure a way to make it work.
I can max with positive nature at 145

[mint void]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278129774
Giraffe value

Also lost fucking 250 elo by testing something lol

rough shit

[charred saddle]

tbh, i usually just check speed tierings by checking the base stats

base stats are always at lvl 50

so lets say,

flutter and gard

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 282: Gardevoir

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Synchronize, Trace, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/65/65/125/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gardevoir-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

in no way gard will outspeed flutter

[vernal shadow]

Are they ? Next then. EVs. At level 100, +1 stat is 4evs so at level 50 is it just +1 stat is 8evs ?

[charred saddle]

checking them at lvl 100 is useless since comp are always gonna be set at 50

[vernal shadow]

Ik that for a fact but I'm trying to figure what it can out speed and what it'd need support from webs and other things to win a speed thing or what would be better to just sub a cover for it

[charred saddle]

4 EV for first +1, rest are 8 EV

[charred saddle]

from that u can just calc 1.5x

eweb reduce -1 speed = u gaining +1 equivalent

[vernal shadow]

Ik it's not good. I'm not aiming for high ladder. Just wanna hit masterball is all

Ribbon collecting 😅

[charred saddle]

nono im not saying ur good or no, im just letting you know what i do usually

[vernal shadow]

Ye ye. I ment ik gardevoir isn't good

[charred saddle]

if ur doing like icy wind calcs. just calc ur gard speed 1.5x

then keep them in mind

[fading bone]

seamagician do u want to trade me for a rare mark slaking

[charred saddle]

prob best to do trades in DMs or trading channel

[fading bone]

mb

[mint void]

how do u even get to that from this chat

[vernal shadow]

Wondering if trying a alolan ninetales with articuno with it would be a good idea to slow opponents for gardevoir while also having some actually decent Pokémon

[vernal shadow]

Yeah. I'm confused too tbh

[fading bone]

i just saw ribbon colleting lol

[mint void]

if u want to slow stuff u use eleki or flutter

with Eweb or icy wind also bundle does the same

Iron Bundle that is

[charred saddle]

oh btw, also to keep in mind, if ur doing EVs by yourself, dont forget to check the stat bumps

[mint void]

you can also just TW to double your speed which is more effective but you have to fit a tailwind setter on ur team

[charred saddle]

usually its 156 196 iirc for second bump

[vernal shadow]

Ah. I'm farming a specific rare mark moonball gardevoir ATM. Had a few but I deleted em due to lacking herba and I'm interested in either serene or charismatic.

[vernal shadow]

Explain pls

I get IVs, I get abilities, type charts, priority and EVs but Ive never dove too far into comp assides from a bit of showdown a few years ago

[charred saddle]

so theres a stat bump,

as i explained where EV distributions are 4 EV for the +1 and rest are 8 EV for 1 stat

but if ur doing a positive nature, lets say adamant.

you can get +2 stat for 8 EV at certain thresholds

ill show you an example in a sec

[mint void]

your nature gives you +10%. That cause that you get +2 Stats for 8EVs at certain bumbs(legit just anything divisible by 10)

[vernal shadow]

So don't dump all 252 into a stat bc it might not benefit from it fully ?

[charred saddle]

at 188 its 174 atk, so it should be 196 EV --> 175 right

its actually the second bump for Harc, some mons might have different thresholds

[mint void]

nah just you often get more value from your EVs if you just go to the bump and put the rest into another stat that you can use as well. If you want max damage u still 252

[charred saddle]

but usually its 156 or 196

[charred saddle]

max max is fine, but sometimes getting the bump might benefit

[solid frigate]

wait Leo are you just using Harc for example or are you cooking something

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278137107-eb062mpacclr2l9ybfnpfeeo1wj5bhgpw

Holy clutch

[mint void]

just always bump the stat up to a number divisible by 10 then add the positive nature

[vernal shadow]

Situational min max sorta thing ?

[mint void]

yes

[charred saddle]

kinda

[vernal shadow]

Makes sense.

[mint void]

only works on stats effected by the nature of your mon

[charred saddle]

not everything should be bumped, but its good to keep in mind

especially if ur doing a calcs

[vernal shadow]

I'd assume less useful on full attack sets but better on defence or supportive setups

[mint void]

Farigiraf @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 21 Spe

• Foul Play
• Psychic Noise
• Trick Room
• Protect

this hits the bumb on Def for farig

[charred saddle]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

use this for comps calc, theres quite a lot of common mons there

[mint void]

since I want EVs in SPD and HP I cant just 252 Def. To get the most value still I go to a bump

[vernal shadow]

I feel like ive heard this before but a very long time ago and now it's kinda coming back to me as a very vague bit of information. Ty for this

[charred saddle]

gl

[vernal shadow]

This is a lot more useful that what I was told before tho

[vernal shadow]

See I was thinking ninetales and articuno bc articuno is very tanky and quite threatening under snow. Having something like flutter or regileki both being frail while trying to force very sub par frail gardevoir to do stuff might not work

[charred saddle]

if ur looking to use articuno and ninetales ill show you something

https://pokepast.es/262c301130a20afb

[vernal shadow]

Just what I was thinking. In terms of restricted legendaries. Not sure what to go with either. I can see strengths of individuals but I'm horrible and synergiesing stuff

[charred saddle]

its the only articuno winning team from all regulations, while it doesnt translate to reg G, its still good to see

[next stump]

https://x.com/tahk0/status/1877411228882002000?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

not sure if anyone saw this or if it’s been linked earlier but this is an interesting thread to read. I don’t agree with the OP but it’s definitely not an uncommon opinion

TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) on X

I will die on the hill that competitive pokemon needs to change *something* for there to be more than one memorable moment like this

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 5:44 PM

[charred saddle]

pachirisu use follow me!

[molten oasis]

i see both sides

but i think the pachi stuff is annoying

[vernal shadow]

Something I've noticed tho. Incin is definitely an issue. Most high rated Pokémon don't have more than one move over 70% usage but incin has 3 moves at 99% usage with the 3td at 70%. Well something around there in last format. Stupid

I was reading pokelitics

[charred saddle]

pikalytics u mean?

[vernal shadow]

That one 😂

[mint void]

feel like wolfey fucking shit up with Perish Song every 3 months is good enough

[solid frigate]

We literally complained that during the Watchparty for worlds 2024

[mint void]

no way thats correct for rilla tho...sure you flex drum beating and wood hammer but thats the same just different power

[molten oasis]

yea, cuz pachirisu was a thing on 2014

like let it die

[solid frigate]

and they still talked about it till this day

just shut up and talk about something that is not talked as much

like Celesteela or idk 2017?

[vernal shadow]

Just saying for incinaroar which people complain about a lot. Crippling for any team using physical attackers

Menace

[lofty tartan]

The post is talking about hype moments that are easily digestible by a casual crowd. There's plenty of hype moments for people in the competitive scene, but that isn't what the argument is.

Perish wins, underdog moments, those are an aside.

[mint void]

https://x.com/TAHK0/status/1877432349647860010
Also feel like him quoting shit like this doesnt matter. Pokemon is a thinking game not a "mashing" and action game

TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) on X

Yall gotta be more creative

You don’t only need a “weak/uncommon/favorite” pokemon to create a memorable moment (even though there should be changes on the backend to encourage underdog stories more often regardless),

there is more than one way lol

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 7:08 PM

Doing stuff like that 100% just fucks you if you need to focus and think

[lofty tartan]

They're not saying pokemon isn't a thinking game

[solid frigate]

i mean

The versatility is what Incin strives on,which i don't think its a bad thing at all,its just people overexagerated stuff

[mint void]

?

watch the clip tho

[solid frigate]

imagine Pokemon has a fuction to Mash everytime

I will cry out of laughter

[lofty tartan]

I read the thread, and I also read him clarifying his point.

[mint void]

like if Id do that Id lose focus

[molten oasis]

lemme read the threat a little

[vernal shadow]

I think on a franchise where there are so many options, having such an insanely high usage rate and copy paste at that isn't good imo. It's too good if most use it.

Just statistically seems stupidly high

[solid frigate]

dude its VGC

Almost every EV spread and team comp idea is copy and paste

[mint void]

https://x.com/TAHK0/status/1877441329673666687
Then him saying this is just...like the game has nothing to do with these moments.

TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) on X

@Pownchao There’s so much room to stand out, even wolfe has that turn to the camera gif lol

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 7:44 PM

[charred saddle]

every people have different ways of working.

some people are better at performing when under pressure, some people needs to focus
some people also need a bit of hype to enjoy and play better

[solid frigate]

and bro never saw what incin did in Gen 7 before getting Parting shot

[molten oasis]

i think there could be more moments that stand out it just hasn't happened yet, that are that big

[mint void]

Its just about the players and if they are willing to opt for funny clips...which TBH also relatively often happens. "Wolfey con perish"

[charred saddle]

enjoying urself is one way to hype yourself up

[vernal shadow]

No. I stopped after oras till recently

[lofty tartan]

There's hype moments in every competitive scene that have to do with players and not the content of the match or game at the time. Those are easily digestible by casual viewers.

[solid frigate]

i think Incin reached 90% usage (I forgot)

[lofty tartan]

Players have personality and that should be showcased as well

[mint void]

yes that.

[charred saddle]

and at the end of the day, its all entertainment. its very subjective

[lofty tartan]

The Pachirisu thing is showcased at every regional because everyone viewing it can relate to or understand it but because there's so few moments like that, it's so overdone now

[mint void]

But I dont see how they arent doing that. Its not like they are chaining them on stream. You also get an interview after and what not. Like Wolfey Flamigo socks interview.

If you think its not enough then its maybe just that people treat it "too professional" and dont want to act out of line for nice moments

[lofty tartan]

I skip everything except matches now.

[solid frigate]

like the transition is technically just hydration time or take a break or just talk shit

[lofty tartan]

The interviews are not hype moments and they require you to understand the game at a competitive level

[mint void]

^yes thats the case rn. but it doesnt necessarily have to be. It will always include a game recap obviously. Every interview after a competitive game anywhere does that. Its kinda up to the players to maybe throw something more entertaining in there. Same for the interviewer

[craggy dagger]

make standout plays then
lots of people make standout plays and i don see them being highlighted smh .-.

[solid frigate]

because its like

Oh rare Niche Pokemon moment

[craggy dagger]

-# isnt that what i do .-.

[solid frigate]

idk man-

[craggy dagger]

also
winning is more fun than going 0-6 with your fav mons-
cuz atp
your fav mons dont become your fav mons bc of how much you couldnt use them

[next stump]

one aspect of this that the OP doesn’t seem to realize (or is conveniently ignoring) is that tournaments have logistical constraints that put HARD limits on the amount of people who can actively play in the tournaments that spark these momenbts

https://x.com/azazel_the_god/status/1877476374992028098?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

this thread is pretty much how I feel

Justin Carris (@AzazeL_the_God) on X

VGC doesnt need another Pachirisu moment.

The scope & the nature of the game makes that type of underused-pokemon-cinderella-story a sort of lightning that likely won't strike twice.

The growth of the game isn't dependent on electricity or rodents: 🧵

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 10:03 PM

VGC will be way more successful with better logistics and planning than it would be with pikachu winning a regional

[solid frigate]

also casual players would kinda just like:
Oh Pachirisu win a World Championship then my favourite pokemon Certainly can!

Little did they know it was a Move that was not as commonly found that helped Pachirisu
If Pokemon like Indeedee was in Gen 6 with Follow Me the Pachirisu would not even have a chance to be here

idk man me and the boys ranted during the watchparty in worlds and i still hate about the Pachirisu Moment

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger I jus panicked bc I loaded into arven fight thinking I had a limited turn timer

[vernal shadow]

I'm limiting myself to getting just one to work out. I'd be happy winning 25% of the time tbh. When I play fighting games. I go out and fight people way way stronger than me. I'm I won't ever win or at least not often but I learn a lot.

I think that similar thing with Pokémon. Ofc you gotta be realistic and can't have a complete dumpster fire of a team but I think you can make 1 sub par work out if you work at it

I'm kinda new to this but this is how I feel. Ofc format and what's banned and what not make a huge difference tho

[craggy dagger]

sillyyyy

[craggy dagger]

yeah thats true
like
you can think outside the box but
it cant be a messy team-
they should
at least have some compatability with each other

[next stump]

@chrome knot how many people are registered for vancouver?

[chrome knot]

lemme look

303

[bold geode]

Actually me say we do need one that way I don't hear about it EVERY FUCKING STREAM

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

thats pretty low tbh :3

[craggy dagger]

wh-?

oh is it 303 total or just VG players-

[chrome knot]

just vg

[molten oasis]

Ok here we go

[craggy dagger]

it’s the roaring moon

[left bobcat]

Ok here we also go

[molten oasis]

i've led ogerpon moon every game so far lol

[left bobcat]

You know like

Are you gonna call me like you said you was

[molten oasis]

wha?

[left bobcat]

Like is this yo real phone number

[molten oasis]

since when was i gonna call you

[left bobcat]

No not you

[molten oasis]

oh lol

[left bobcat]

Some of yall gonna get washed

[molten oasis]

i bet

[left bobcat]

Everything been otay

Man idk who it was

But all I know is that someone here put me on the nerds clusters

And I don’t even eat candy like that

[molten oasis]

may have been me

nerd clusters are gas

[real prairie]

Soo after 50 games with the team i was given early... 58% win rate, identical to the win rate from my first team lol

but now my team REALLY hates TR

[left bobcat]

I prefer the blue ones

[real prairie]

Lunala is a bitch 🤣

[molten oasis]

so is CIR i see

[real prairie]

the 1 i beat was trying to be a fast CIR aswell

[left bobcat]

Oh

Man I remember in the other discord server I made that shit work

It wasn’t worth it

[real prairie]

🤣

[left bobcat]

It worked

[next stump]

do you have the paste of your new team?

[left bobcat]

Who?

I have a lot of teams

[real prairie]

its now gone 2am local time and ive accomplished nothing today... 8 days and counting til B'ham

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoodplace-chidi-stress-gif-13274432

everyone before a regional

[left bobcat]

Yeah

Good thing I don’t do those anymore

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/51e41022c2c11599

[balmy glen]

I don’t really stress before regionals cus I never prep for them

[left bobcat]

🧃

[real prairie]

what are we saying is an acceptable win rate to look to be taking to B'ham, < 65%?

[left bobcat]

Mmmmmmmmmmm

MORE

[balmy glen]

GXE?

In bo3?

[real prairie]

i dunno, but yeah Bo3

[balmy glen]

Oh that’s GXE

depends what your goals are

[left bobcat]

I’m mad

[real prairie]

highest ranked ludicolo player ITW, fringe shot @ day 2

[left bobcat]

(He mad)

[real prairie]

13/21 matches won, 30/52 individual games

[balmy glen]

Depends on when u started laddering etc and elo but if you wanna day 2 a regional pretty comfortably id get to around like 70% GXE 1450 ish elo

[real prairie]

what exactly does GXE mean sorry?

ive read the definitiion but im an idiot

so help me out here

[balmy glen]

It’s like incorporation of who your playing and their elo so it kind of shows the level of players your losing to or beating

I can prob find the smogon page that explains it

[real prairie]

granted thats with a few teams

[charred saddle]

wow thats a lot of games

[real prairie]

haha thats only on 1 account

[left bobcat]

….

Interesting

[real prairie]

ive improved considerable since 2 weeks ago using this account:

[left bobcat]

Now do it again

[real prairie]

yep!

the hardest part is picking the mons honestly

[left bobcat]

Just pick them all

After all it is catch them all

[real prairie]

although to this day my dumb ass still sometimes clicks priority into Psychic terrain

[left bobcat]

Oh-

[real prairie]

although not on cart

[left bobcat]

I’ll keep that noted

[real prairie]

think the visual on cart helps 🤣

[left bobcat]

Indeedee

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

is it just me and @solid frigate doing B'ham?

[left bobcat]

I’m da biggest bird

[bold geode]

@balmy glen
https://x.com/Dollarmonke13/status/1877546992668131788?t=lK1iw-AgQgn7x7ahajpeFg&s=19

Dollarmonke (@Dollarmonke13) on X

Bro is bestowing the trade secrets

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 2:44 AM

[next stump]

first day of pokemon advisory tomorrow for my 8th graders, time to indoctrinate the youth to play VGC

[bold geode]

Pog

[balmy glen]

One sec

https://x.com/davidpartvgc/status/1877402624095293461?s=46&t=0M7vCbq1E3bLwIxelDmalg

David Partington (@DavidPartVGC) on X

Are you preparing for Birmingham Regionals? @MichaelderBeste got top 4 at World's and won Stockholm Regionals last year with a very good Zamazenta🐶, earning him over $20,000! So there's sure to be a whole pack of trainers wanting to do the same this season.

Here's a breakdown

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 5:10 PM

People really don’t wanna see Zama win fr 💀

It could be cool though if Zama gets cooked at Birmingham then I just spawn in at San Antonio

[bold geode]

Ngl probably won't cuz everyone gonna fuckin run it

[chrome knot]

omg this is so cute

and this kinda hilarious bc ur the vgc final boss

[bold geode]

Bro you see the IDBP set lmao

"Heavy Slam/Substitute"

If I see a Zamazenta run Substitute I'm jumping off a bridge

[next stump]

thanks ❤️ at the end of the school year i’m offering kids a free pack of TCG if they can beat me in a game of singles

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[trim hound]

Now I have to do H-Zork calcs into Zam

[bold geode]

I think you fucked up at H-Zork

[trim hound]

Bro I fucked up at playing Pokemon

But we vibing

252+ SpA Choice Specs Zoroark-Hisui Shadow Ball vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 84-99 (43.7 - 51.5%) -- 8.59% chance to 2HKO

[charred saddle]

relateable

does heavy slam zama 2HKO Hzork?

[trim hound]

0 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zoroark-Hisui: 118-141 (90 - 107.6%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO

It's a diceroll

[charred saddle]

LMAO

yeah thats too squishy

[trim hound]

But it's also entirely dependent on if you convince them/they gamble on it being something weak to Body Press

In which case it's free real estate

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 571: Zoroark-Hisui

Types

Normal/Ghost

Abilities

Illusion

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/100/60/125/60/110

Total

510

Base Species

Zoroark

Sableye version 4.28.1

[trim hound]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Zoroark-Hisui Flamethrower vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 124-148 (64.5 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Because I forget how buttons work

[charred saddle]

i mean it is still slower than zama unless ur max speed

and zama isnt

[trim hound]

Zams aren't usually taking max Spe

[left bobcat]

Yeah

They’re mostly max HP

[trim hound]

Not even

[left bobcat]

Yuh huh

[trim hound]

Munchstats is showing Impish 196 HP 156 Def 156 Spe

[left bobcat]

Oh

[trim hound]

Followed by Impish 244 HP 4 Atk 244 Def 4 Sp Def 12 Spe

That 2nd spread means Zam sits at 150 Spe, which is free real estate

252+ SpA Choice Specs Zoroark-Hisui Flamethrower vs. 244 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 124-146 (62.6 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Makes me almost want to play Dialga-O or some real scuff into Zam for some real mindbreak hours

[charred saddle]

you know whats good against zam? Garticuno

jokes aside gl

[trim hound]

Nah tbh I'll probably just play Miraidon.exe

Remove brain, spam Volt Tackle + (Ceaseless) Discharge

I'd play Gdon but I don't want to play competitive XCOM

[chrome knot]

Vancouver flight booked

[trim hound]

When's the next PNW regional?

Or is Portland basically never happening again lol

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/what-meme-confused-gif-24781501

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278306943-kf1d55g9hiiclbucu35ee7a3d1sey4lpw

gameplay falling off but idk whats wrong :v

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278308659-3fxxw6gw6fabwzpj3ik9rt09si7rv3apw

found good line into fuck ass dozo team lmao

[charred saddle]

heavy slam 20-30, BP does close to nothing,

glare quite nice chip, + competitive for incin

+1 does close to 2hko iirc

longer the game = more chances to freeze

jokes aside its shit, i just find it nice when i played with it haha

[craggy dagger]

leo
tera fighting to deal with incin without not being able to hit it

[chrome knot]

novaaanovaaaanovaaaa

[charred saddle]

with gartic?

i think the only Gartic team ive seen was from cybertron and it has ground tera tera blast

haha

but back then it was Harc so, 4 times + nice coverage with psychic

[digital plover]

Need help with my team. My main focus is anti-stall. Meowscarada runs knock off, trick, play rough, and flower trick, Gholdengo standard moveset, regieleki, dragapult with infiltrator, mewtwo has taunt, nasty plot, psystrike, and aura sphere, Iron valiant has knock off, spirit break, swords dance, and reversal. Who goes and who should stay.

[real prairie]

assume this is singles?

Who is the strongest, non restricted spread mon

Regidrago?

[shadow wind]

Chi yu probably

[molten oasis]

Chi yu, Flutter, Lando (sorta)

[real prairie]

Chi Yu won't work, needs to partner Kyogre

trying to play around redirection TR, my answer is just nuke both

Specs Flutter probably do the job i guess

[shadow wind]

If it’s Kyogre then Lando works well

[real prairie]

yeah, the more i think about it the more i think i just F'd up my leads

Should lead Ludicolo into Rock'Ogre + Caly Ice to pressure fake out and break sturdy

lead Lando into Farig or Indeedee

[molten oasis]

Should have said for kyogre yea lol

[real prairie]

just lost a game to a 99% accuracy miss on the last turn gg's

[molten oasis]

How did it get to 99%

[real prairie]

Wide lense

Triple axel

[molten oasis]

Ah

[left bobcat]

Damn im finally seeing snow for the first time in years

[fringe oar]

https://pokepast.es/35abc19a0959e6d9 any suggestions for a last 2 mons?

I think I need another special attacker

I was considering torn for speed control but then that gives me a big caly ice weakness because I have alot of mons who die to lance

[real prairie]

some form of speed control

whos the coaching for?

[cyan smelt]

How about Urshifu water

[chrome knot]

idk maybe zamazenta

[torn parrot]

After fighting zama with guard and Zama with no guard a bit

It’s a bit crazy how much of a pushover no guard Zama can be

I sat there and stared him in the face with a chi yu and an astral guy and poor dog was just crying

Tho suppose it depends on the team comp

[real prairie]

Forgot coaching boosts def lol

[bold geode]

Sadly yeah rn Wide Guard Zama just better

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/IncinPkmn/status/1877436497831305433?t=s2tpHxaSXhFdC3X6tMwRpg&s=19

Incineroar (@IncinPkmn) on X

Most mentally stable pokemon showdown player

Twitter · Jan 9, 2025, 7:25 PM

[fringe oar]

yeah

[fringe oar]

I coulddo that but the issue is that I have 4 physical attackers then

And still no speed control

maybe like peli to boost urshifu make lando hit sandsear and give tailwind along with shutting down sun teams a little easier

because groudon and koraidon can be tough because of hitting zama supperefectively

[cyan smelt]

Why not pelipper and then chien Pao instead of valiant

[fringe oar]

because i like valiant lol

and it gives me a nice way to beat miraidon

considering swapping encore for disable to competly shut themdown

I just personally dont like how chien pao plays

and I would have to alread commit sash to urshifu or peli

and I dont like mystic water very much due to the surge of raging bolt

[real prairie]

I think my solution might just be after you Clefairy tbh. F**k your TRs

[chrome knot]

lolz

[solid frigate]

i think the legitamite reason to use Valiant for most people is because Yuta got second in worlds using Iron Valiant CIR

[chrome knot]

valiant on cir is if scarf urshifu had a brain

[fringe oar]

yeah but it still can catch people off guard

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278622709 trying out the new team but this game felt really bumpy

are there any turns where i didnt act well?

[fringe oar]

I would say t1 tera poison was a bit premptive

its clear he pblades in that situation so I wouldve just switched in lando

[timber falcon]

maybe, i just needed tha tailwind because i prevoiusly fought the guy and id be at a disadvantage to the gouging and liligant

[fringe oar]

I mean I think that you should try to remove liligant first then

do you have protect on moon

[timber falcon]

yeah

oh right i definitely shouldve done that lol

[fringe oar]

yeah lol

I think its interesting you dont bring zacian

but I can see why

[chrome knot]

leading not fake out/sleep immunity was certainly a choice

[timber falcon]

my set cant hit fire types so yeah

[chrome knot]

i think ursh is a wasted pick

[timber falcon]

probs shouldve brought fake out, but ive fought the guy b4 and knew he didnt have sleep powder

[fringe oar]

I would say a rain dance setter or something could be really nice and boost urshifu and not make you roll dice on sandsears

[timber falcon]

i considering rain

my last zacian team ran peli

[fringe oar]

why roaring moon over another tw setter?

[solid frigate]

there is no catching off guard unless you are playing close team sheet

[timber falcon]

i think ill do some more teambuilding because sun is not great for zacian

[fringe oar]

I was gonna run it on in game ladder most likely, on top of that it still is weird for people because they dont know how to play around it, although with yuta getting 2nd people might practice the matchup because the team is everywhere now

[timber falcon]

dark type because CSR is a bit much for zacian on the field, wanted relaible tailwind with dark typing. Couldve gone jugulis but its more fragile

[solid frigate]

i literally see multiple people want to use Iron Valiant you aren't the only one

[timber falcon]

i hate iron valiant and CIR

[fringe oar]

yeah i know, why are you starting to sound upset lol, I just think that people dont prepare for it as much as they do something like urshifu

[solid frigate]

didn't you run CIR in wave 1

[timber falcon]

not with iron vaiant

[fringe oar]

urshifu you NEED a designated counter for and there are so many amoongus and rilla that it has to position more carefully

[timber falcon]

that combo disgusts me

[solid frigate]

nah its more like people use Valiant without Legit reasoning imo

[rare lance]

i need help bc i locked my self out of the teal mask

[timber falcon]

oh theres reasoning alright, its VERY distruptive

[fringe oar]

wrong channel

[solid frigate]

not you

[rare lance]

where do i text

[timber falcon]

ik im just ranting cause ive lost to it

[fringe oar]

probably #general_chat ? im not sure ask the other ppl

no

probably #sv_discussion

[rare lance]

no one is talking in there

[solid frigate]

anyways back to practicing

[fringe oar]

my main logic behind it is its strength into miraidon, not only can I outspeed, but leading something like lando and valiant puts so much pressure t1 that if they didnt lead with tailwind I have a great position

[timber falcon]

patience is a virtue

[rare lance]

be so fr

[timber falcon]

isnt miraidon normally paired with the unstopable tw setter whimsicott?

[solid frigate]

well its a valid reasoning,if you have Lando (Especially Scarf) its fine

[fringe oar]

yeah, I do decent into the luca team tho

[solid frigate]

Iron hands Fire Pon destroys that lead

[fringe oar]

like mine? or

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2278625917-vgi12tdhr3zmvc89gnzpo6cqzt3eveopw

[timber falcon]

never thought of this

[solid frigate]

Luca's team

[solid frigate]

see this is why more players have to switch up their leads

[timber falcon]

actually

didnt the guy swap to farig and vswitch out of there

unless he didnt bring

[solid frigate]

he did not bring

at least in my replay

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/ElectriKeely/status/1877064666511212750

keely ⚡️ (@ElectriKeely) on X

my reg G restricted tierlist except it's based solely on how girliepop they are

Twitter · Jan 8, 2025, 6:47 PM

[fringe oar]

what abt waterpon for me

[rustic mountain]

should be a natural progression if wat ur constantly leading into an archetype or team is consistently not working

[solid frigate]

yeah i agree with it

[timber falcon]

finally a list where lugia is A-tier

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[solid frigate]

what the fuck is this list-

[foggy lodge]

a reg G restricted tierlist except it's based solely on how girliepop they are

[fringe oar]

why are half of the placements reasonable and the just c ir in d lmao

[solid frigate]

i lose hope on humanity

[timber falcon]

anyways im struggling too much with zacian, so ima swap to a more meta restricted

[rustic mountain]

reading comprehension is key

[fringe oar]

why not pair it with regidrago like everyone else

where regidrago kills everything and zacian murders remaining fairy types

[timber falcon]

because i was trying to run balance set up

also its not that easy lol

[fringe oar]

yeah that dosent work when calyrex shadow just kills it lol

[solid frigate]

thank god my english is not as bad for reading comprehension

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[timber falcon]

hence when i ran pelipper

and at one point normal tera lol

[fringe oar]

so why did you drop that

[timber falcon]

the team was doing bad cause im too lazy to ev train and just did 252/252

[fringe oar]

one more time im asking what should the last 2 mons be lol https://pokepast.es/dc6f9444f6d57d70

I need a special attacker

and speed control

[timber falcon]

lando is there why special attack needed?

[fringe oar]

because I have 5 physical otherwise ?

[timber falcon]

oh ur running physical valiant

[fringe oar]

and that just can get tough into some teams

[timber falcon]

bolt looks decent there

but its just on paper

[fringe oar]

yeah its support valiant. The basis for the idea was coaching onto zamazenta can make it super physically bulky and allow it even to switch out and in to just get coached so it technically never loses its defense boost

I got to around 1548 with it

[timber falcon]

i feel like you cant do better coaching tactics there

as in better mons for it

[fringe oar]

cant or can (im literate just making sure)

wondering if u made a typo

[timber falcon]

can (i have bad spelling)

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1006: Iron Valiant

Types

Fairy/Fighting

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/130/90/120/60/116

Total

590

Sableye version 4.28.1

[fringe oar]

I mean the thing is like, what would be better that has coachin, can outspeed miraidon, and gives support value

[solid frigate]

for me rn

[charred saddle]

funny thing i kinda wanna drop the incin, get rilla then chienpao

[timber falcon]

also, Body press is defo wanted. Coaching is much to inconsistent considering they can just decide to kill valiant

[charred saddle]

chien coaching/rilla coaching seems nice too

[fringe oar]

huh ? wdym that scetence just dosent make sense

[charred saddle]

also rilla helps with prio spam glide

[timber falcon]

iron defence my bad

brain isnt braining

[left bobcat]

I just want a Grammy

[fringe oar]

https://pokepast.es/6f8482f6601654a0 this is what I had before

[fringe oar]

also I need wide guard, as torrent said earlier the dog just gets bullied without it

[solid frigate]

also why would you use a Support Move on a Zamazenta

in single restricted

[timber falcon]

youre looking for a special attacker right? pelli does the job then no?

[charred saddle]

i kinda see the team too hesistant like

u want TW, theres coaching, so u wanna pplay fast with scarf lando too

but ur slowing it with rilla and incin

[timber falcon]

also correlates with lando

[solid frigate]

i did not even say that

[fringe oar]

thought u did maybe wrong person

[solid frigate]

Wide Guard is still advised

[charred saddle]

i think droppping incin for chien helps more and torn to other

[fringe oar]

oh it was maya mb

[timber falcon]

you have 2 wide guard

[fringe oar]

where is my bulk

[fringe oar]

yeah ik that spot was a placeholder

[timber falcon]

zamazzenta and rilla are plenty bulky

also, what are you doing into tatsudozo?

[charred saddle]

well im more into like getting to 1 idea rather than like "lil bit of this, lil bit of that"

[solid frigate]

there is a comp that Zama really like

Zama,Entei,Chien Pao,Rilla,Torn,Shifu

[charred saddle]

unless ur playing balance

and also, zama chienpao is very very strong

very strong lead

[solid frigate]

well calling Rilla Bulky it depends lmao

[fringe oar]

Im trying to use zama in a not standard way

[foggy lodge]

Zama Pao can win games alone

[charred saddle]

well

[fringe oar]

where I get a solid matchup into every top restricted

[timber falcon]

for the overall team btw only one mon has protect. This can mess up the tempo for you no?

[charred saddle]

this is impossible.

[solid frigate]

i used Zama and yeah Sword of Ruin Body Press is so fun

[fringe oar]

its not impossible

[solid frigate]

i don't think its possible

[foggy lodge]

Nah its impossible

[timber falcon]

with the amount of possible sets its impossible

[charred saddle]

if its not impossible then people will definitely find it fast enough and be a meta

well i mean it depends on what ur saying "solid"

[solid frigate]

say for example this is my MU for my Birmingham Miraidon Team and i show how easy or how hard is for me

Thats how i improve myself

[foggy lodge]

Its just how the reg works you drop x match ups and hope you don't fight them in the run

[charred saddle]

but winning / gaining advantage against every team is impossible id say

[fringe oar]

Never at a big disadvantage and always a workable gameplan

[timber falcon]

all restricted mons are equal but some are more equal than others

[solid frigate]

Animal Farm Moment

[rustic mountain]

u asked what the list was w/o reading what the list was

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-gif-20671639

[solid frigate]

and thats how i contradict myself lmao

No but seriously i just want to know who the fuck still uses the word Girlypop-

[foggy lodge]

Anyways anyone available to play a bo3?

[timber falcon]

me

i can

[solid frigate]

i working on my EV Spread for my Miraidon team for next week

[charred saddle]

girlypop

there i used it

[foggy lodge]

okok

[fringe oar]

I see the vision with this. What would I want for evs to do then

[foggy lodge]

What was your showdown nickname?

[solid frigate]

time to load up my calc and write down on my notebook-

[charred saddle]

give link to watch

[timber falcon]

totorules

[charred saddle]

funny funny set of LO chienpao kek

jokes aside max max jolly sash pao

rilla can run AV/miracle seed if u want more damage (or if u wanna get protect/taunt in it)

FO glide hammer protect/taunt seems normal

[fringe oar]

Ill run av, do I want ice spinner on pao is what im wondering

[charred saddle]

spinner for miraidon

but eh itll prob volt switch nvm

[solid frigate]

i mean both are fine imo

[charred saddle]

go crash and get rolls to ohko

iirc crash can get roll to ohko miraidoon

[solid frigate]

should be able to OHKO

cuz i am a victim of that

[foggy lodge]

ice spinner already OHKOs Miraidon i think

Unless is like a very bulky Miraidon

[fringe oar]

and throat chop over sacred sword I assume because I have body press

[charred saddle]

oh really?

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 186-218 (105.6 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 174-206 (98.8 - 117%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 182-216 (100.5 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 170-204 (93.9 - 112.7%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

who the fuck use Bulky Miraidon in this economy

[left bobcat]

Ask my nanny

[foggy lodge]

Agati

[charred saddle]

links to watch bo3

im bored af

[fringe oar]

can I dm you the evs? sounds weird but if this ends up working I dont particullarly want to share them

the evs arent set in stone though

so dosent matter that much

[charred saddle]

uhh sure idk if i can help much tho

[mint void]

@fringe oardm me

[charred saddle]

oh shit mayas team got posted in repository nice

and its the pawmot team

[torn parrot]

Yayyyyy

[timber falcon]

GGs @foggy lodge ive gtg now

[foggy lodge]

oh ok

[timber falcon]

hope the matches helped with the MU

[foggy lodge]

Thanks for playing

[timber falcon]

n[

[foggy lodge]

mhm

[left bobcat]

Oh

🏃🏽💨

[foggy lodge]

oops

I forgot sorry😭

[charred saddle]

nw nw haha

[charred saddle]

very cool team

[mint void]

can do calcs if u want

[left bobcat]

Calculus?

[foggy lodge]

hmm the Lando Amoonguss line is a struggle

Pelipper helps a lot with it

[mint void]

can u link

[charred saddle]

its in repository

[torn parrot]

Thank u 🙏 I apreciate it ^^

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[mint void]

this triggers me

[trim hound]

Why?

It makes sense

[mint void]

stupid question

look at the zamas

item for more context

[trim hound]

Eh, it's w/e

[mint void]

well it is

[trim hound]

You'd see the item and understand immediately

[mint void]

still pisses me off

[trim hound]

Also Zacian does use non-Rusted Sword

Zam basically doesn't

[solid frigate]

what the ass am i seeing rn

I dont see this convo make sense to begin with

[trim hound]

Link is mad over a png choice

[shadow wind]

Guys is Bronzong the goat?

[trim hound]

No lol

He wasn't even good on release in DPPt

[shadow wind]

Ok but he resists Calyrex Ice

And underspeeds

And walls Lando I

With a pretty good moveset to boot

[chrome knot]

chiyu

any fire mon

[mint void]

does it live flutter Shadowball?

booster speed poss?

[shadow wind]

Y’all acting like every mon ain’t got type weaknesses

And we are in the generation of Tera anyway

[mint void]

flutter is like common as shit same for chiyu

and LandoI really isnt. While Caly is though which is neat.

[shadow wind]

Did you just say Lando I isn’t common

[foggy lodge]

i mean with enough iron defense boosts you should be able to OHKO Inci

[shadow wind]

Screw iron defense

They getting slept

[foggy lodge]

lmao

Gravity Hypnosis Precipice Blades?

[mighty stump]

A take indeed

[shadow wind]

Yuh yuh yuh

[shadow wind]

Yeah I feel like I see it in every single team comp now

[foggy lodge]

We are not in may 2024 to call Lando-I a fraud

[shadow wind]

I like it when people run scarf

Doesn’t hit as hard

[foggy lodge]

Lorb + sheer force + tailwind is super oppresive

good thing that is not super bulky

[mighty stump]

BAM CORVIKNIGHT

Walled

gg ex Lando-I solved guys ye

[foggy lodge]

I think Alberto Lara used Corviknight in reg G

[shadow wind]

Bronzong ‼️‼️

[mighty stump]

Lara uses Corviknight as much as he can

[foggy lodge]

True

Addicted to Corviknight

[wide lark]

Tbf corviknight isnt a bad pokemon to use in any format

[molten oasis]

Damn corv would legit wall my team if it’s IDBP

[next stump]

are there any old heads here who went to regionals before COVID

[humble cedar]

chat urshifu and icy wind flutter mane were the glue I needed

[mint void]

with who?

[humble cedar]

im running a goofy scarf miraidon team

was having trouble with incin and whimsicott

rillaboom too but I figured smth else out for that

[rustic mountain]

could b wrong but idt we have any active old heads here. from wat ive seen mostly every1 is from either swsh or sv era

[humble cedar]

I went to some locals but would always watch and not play

I never had Nintendo online

[next stump]

I see most of these 2019 regionals was superrrr low attendance

4 wins 3 losses would result in top 16

[charred saddle]

damnn

[real prairie]

Good evening bitches, bro and non binary hoes. What's cooking this fine Friday

[real prairie]

My nightmare

[next stump]

hello 🙂 finally made it to the weekend

[real prairie]

Saw someone playing gravity Sandy and hypnosis Espathra earlier

[next stump]

trying some of the new season stuff in league of legends

[real prairie]

League and competitive Pokemon, do you just hate your psyche and want to abuse it? 🤣

Had a play with a lorb Kyogre before I went to play football, it hits V hard 🤣

[next stump]

LOL yeah you could say that

[real prairie]

I think a Specs Kyogre could actually nuke a Lunala 🤣

[chrome knot]

its the freaking weeking

[left bobcat]

Take it off

[knotty mirage]

I have question is it neccesary to have dragon move on koraidon or is it better to just slot coverage move like flare blitz and flame charge ?

[torn parrot]

Flame charge is really annoying

I recommend

[knotty mirage]

So the moveset gonna be flame charge, collision course ,flare blitz ,and protect right ?

[torn parrot]

Yeah

Annoying for shadows

And other guys in the 135 speed club

[knotty mirage]

Aight i'm going to test drive it soon then

[left bobcat]

Crazy

[molten oasis]

I hate this game

[next stump]

only dragon move you ever want is scale shot and that’s only with loaded dice

the more “standard” set is double fire move + CC

[real prairie]

its a little like Groudon, its not quite the typing it should be

[molten oasis]

Team goes from being very successful to losing to everything

Every team has incin, can’t beat incin, so fun man

Stupid cat

[near crag]

I was exploring through some forgotten items, and I might just be crazy, but big root sinistcha seems kinda decent. Also, room service seems like it could have a niche in some tailroom comps. Thoughts?

[tiny karma]

Item: Room Service

If Trick Room is active, the holder's Speed is lowered by 1 stage. Single use.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Item: Big Root

Holder gains 1.3x HP from draining/Aqua Ring/Ingrain/Leech Seed/Strength Sap.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

eh.

just feels eh

bigroot sinistcha feels like a nono

its not there to sustain/soak and deal damage, its utility is what makes it nice

like if ur clicking powder or TR or something then bigroot doesnt do anything

rather have a more compact item like rocky

or even sitrus

but reg G, grass ghost typing is kinda ass

CIR CSR threat

[near crag]

Maybe with matcha gotcha and strength sap it could hang around a lot, but it’s a very early thought

[charred saddle]

i mean true

but then again, strength sap usually heals u up back to full anyway

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/bc27361f0b2504f6 time to scrap the shit once again and start anew

It’s a bad team doesn’t do shit into anything

[near crag]

Nah, don’t say that

It’s good, just needs some fine tuning

If you came up with this, you know it well enough to fix it

[charred saddle]

matcha gotcha doesnt really do that much, especially if ur making a bulkier sinistcha.

bulkier --> little damage in matcha gotcha --> less heal

more spA --> more heals yes, but its less bulky

its kinda not helping the main selling point of sinistcha

matcha gotcha is nice since its got like 3 in 1 packet move

[real prairie]

whats a common Tornadus spread?

[charred saddle]

heals, burn fish, chip

but that doesnt mean u should leverage on it i think

[near crag]

Besides, any competitive game will give you highs and lows, so if you try to help with the matchup, and give yourself some time to rest, you might get some surprisingly better results

[real prairie]

Im looking at a Landorus build on Labmaus atm that has Scarf Lando w/ Taunt, is that common? whats its use case?

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey used room service Pelipper at NAIC and got a good result with it, in the same tournament there was also a room service Blursa

And a friend plays Koraidon and when he told me about problems with Caly Ice I suggested the room service Blursa and it worked very well for him

He won like 2 locals with it

Why is Seviper's shiny so cool

[molten oasis]

Why not, and what fine tuning is there to do

The team has a glaring weakness to incin shifu

Which is every fucking team

[foggy lodge]

???

[near crag]

If it’s not a specific problem, and you’ve had success before, it’s a psychological, and most importantly, temporary issue

[foggy lodge]

oh shit i didn't attach the image

[near crag]

I’ve been playing competitive fps for several years, and “me feel frustrated because losing to common strong thing” is totally normal, and something to account for is that every single player also struggles with these broken mons, so you’re in even ground. If you think you need to change stuff to help with them, go for it, if not, stick with what you were doing before

[torn parrot]

Have you tried goobus moongus over hearthflame and Acro so you can hit the scarf shifus more?

Just a random idea

[molten oasis]

So what does moon do to shifu at -1 from incin

And what does amoonguss accomplish agaisnt incin

I lost every game today to incin

[near crag]

Your own shifu stomps incin if you force Tera before

[molten oasis]

Because lando just explodes to the partner shifu/rilla and gets faked out

[torn parrot]

Well you have Lando and Urshifu

[molten oasis]

And if you just lead rilla into me shifu dies

[torn parrot]

Oh I see

[molten oasis]

Yea that isn’t enough when you can just leave incin in the back and then kill everything first

And opposing shifu just has a free time into me cuz I have 1 resist

Correction 2 but neither do that much into incin

[near crag]

Ogerwellspring could be interesting

[molten oasis]

Just slap an incin on your team and boom I LOSE ON THE SPOT

[torn parrot]

What about rillaboom to fake out the fake out

Maybe you could triple down with a water resist tera on zacian

[atomic mural]

you just have to play smart and i lose on the spot

[torn parrot]

I’m sure if you swap around some things you’ll find the solution

Like you know what your weak to

And probably what’s strong too

[molten oasis]

Tera water defeats the purpose of the pressure of stellar blast and rilla makes my mu into zama and cir significantly harder

I need Hearthflame here

And sun the sun mu relies on Hearthflame

And I don’t necessarily want to switch anything around but the team is so god damn weak to incin rilla shifu idfk what to do

[humble cedar]

it has iron leaves

[humble cedar]

have u tried waterpon

its kinda good for sun

[torn parrot]

You know

[molten oasis]

Not really

[torn parrot]

That is two birds with one stone

Uwu

[humble cedar]

plus waterpon is good into shifu and incin

[torn parrot]

Yeah two birds lol

[humble cedar]

and sun

3 birds\

[molten oasis]

Waterpon isn’t good into sun

[humble cedar]

after tera it absolutely is

[molten oasis]

You do not that much damage to anything in sun

No it’s fucking not

I don’t take shifu into sun

[humble cedar]

whoa whoa whoa no need to be a potty mouth

it was a suggestion not an order

[torn parrot]

Your just gunning to kill groudon and koraidon right

[molten oasis]

Yea which Hearthflame is pretty damn good at

[humble cedar]

for me thats what iron leaves dose

[humble cedar]

i would say incin and shifu are more common than sun no?

whats ur team send a paste

maybe ur right but idk ur team

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/bc27361f0b2504f6

[left bobcat]

Oh yeah?

Check mine out

If I can find it

[left bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/bc0bef124db2287a

[molten oasis]

Why are you Tera fighting

[shadow wind]

Get rid of Tclap damage and hit harder(Looks strange to me as well)

[left bobcat]

i dont tera ursh so i didnt even see that lol

https://pokepast.es/c0c33633ccafeda0

damn i realized farig doesnt have armor tail

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2278883414-wsozp6em111a7x8cubpvm6mgkqe2o44pw

ayo finally came up during a game

[left bobcat]

Grrrrrrr

[molten oasis]

Tera fire amoonguss, skill swap prankster for smeargle and rock polish terapagos

Rock polish terapagos again? I HATE THIS FORMAT

LET ME OUT OF ELO HELL

[atomic mural]

I finally made it to ultra ball tier for the first time in my entire time playing scarlet and violet vgc

[molten oasis]

congrats

[atomic mural]

if only araquanid could see it

[left bobcat]

Let me do my dance

Liar liar pants on fire 🫵

[rustic mountain]

top 100 on ladder

[mighty stump]

I’m top 0 ladder

[rustic mountain]

pog

[mighty stump]

I’m beyond the confines of elo

I have ascended to Nirvana

[rustic mountain]

ive compiled a rough estimate of notes for the team ill send it thru to u later/2mw

overall kinda good news bad news imo haha

[mighty stump]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[mighty stump]

I’m also testing variants for Roaring Moon stuff

[left bobcat]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Lettuce know

[dapper crag]

do you guys (this server(?)) mainly play vgc/official doubles format

[left bobcat]

Mmmmmmm I do

[plain drum]

People in this channel do for sure

[dapper crag]

ah ive been looking to try to get into doubles

[plain drum]

Then we can certainly help

[left bobcat]

You’re in the right place

Welcome

[dapper crag]

LETS GO

[foggy lodge]

i have a small local tomorrow wish me luck gang

Like really wish me luck I'm critting my way through the swiss rounds

https://x.com/CloverBells21/status/1877907846538408173

Joe (@CloverBells21) on X

It took us a few days longer than planned, but here are EIGHT Regulation G rentals to use/try out for the month of January! All pokepastes are in the following comment section and our video going over each team will be out after this post! Thanks to those who helped out!

Twitter · Jan 11, 2025, 2:38 AM

[left bobcat]

Damn rock pon is starting to have more usage

[foggy lodge]

Its probably the best Ogerpon

[left bobcat]

Nah hearthflame is better

[foggy lodge]

well idk i think Hearthflame and Cornerstone are both too good

[left bobcat]

I used to think wellspring was the best but now hearthflame da best

[foggy lodge]

Cornerstone doesn't really uses its tera

[foggy lodge]

Wellspring was too good in reg F

It was always in like the top 4 of usage

[left bobcat]

Mostly because of Urshifu

[foggy lodge]

Just switching places with Inci Flutter and Lando

[left bobcat]

But hearthflame is deadly

[foggy lodge]

Its cool that every Ogerpon is good tho

The 4 masks top cutted worlds

[left bobcat]

A good investment in attack+ Tera fire+ attack boost+ the sun

= death

[foggy lodge]

+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Tera Grass Kyogre in Rain: 176-208 (85 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

mhm

[left bobcat]

Even if resisted it will ko or do a good chunk of damage

[atomic mural]

Holy macaroni

[left bobcat]

Anyways best of luck brotha

[dapper crag]

is the regulation this season 1 restricted

[charred saddle]

@rigid crane i think keep the #rental_teams for rental pastes only, do the discussion/chats here

and also to answer ur question, most of the people here plays VGC double

i do know some people plays single, but yeah for the rental teams its usually for VGC

[rigid crane]

didn't even notice this chat lol

also ok

[charred saddle]

i think the singles comp helper here is shiro(?)

gl tho

[left bobcat]

Yes

[dapper crag]

i normally play singles i was just wondering

[dapper crag]

thats terrifying

[craggy dagger]

they’re uh
around i think

[charred saddle]

mom, i just ate

[craggy dagger]

what did you have?

[charred saddle]

uh

noodles and rice

also also, i just tried my first jajangmyeon yesterday, i liked it

very much

[shadow wind]

Gotta love when people are stupid

[craggy dagger]

yesssss
it’s very good

[graceful scaffold]

im doing amogus raids and i having my mon wear safety googles... thanks vgc for teaching me this its so good bless

[charred saddle]

its a lie, amogus doesnt spore you

[left bobcat]

Damn homie

[timber falcon]

Lies

That cockroach creature has removed my gholdengos abilities and put me to sleep on multiple occasions

[mighty stump]

@knotty briar For future reference please upload higher quality rental screenshots as per the pinned guidelines...

The one you posted is borderline acceptable

[tiny karma]

Move: Throat Chop

For 2 turns, the target cannot use sound-based moves.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Move: Crunch

Has a 20% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Why do some Chien-Pao run crunch over throat chop? lol

[timber falcon]

I mean overall I think the likelihood of crunches secondary effect being meaningful to the game is higher no?

[wide lark]

There arent too many things in the reg g meta that are negatively effected by throat chop's voice move disable, but there are several enemies who hate the 20% defence drop.

[foggy lodge]

I think blocking parting shot is already a better effect ngl

[wide lark]

If it was on something that wasnt chien then yeah

But chien has sword of ruin + fighting coverage

So it it ever does end up using throat chop on incin its probably super effective 1hko because incin terad

[foggy lodge]

Not every chien runs sacred xd

[wide lark]

If youre not then go for throat chop

If you are go for crunch

But then again, keeping pao in with an incin on the field is not a great idea to start with

[foggy lodge]

what

[next stump]

i see on munchstats that throat chop has 4-5x the usage of crunch once you get past low ladder

so it's definitely much more used, idk why someone would want crunch over it

[torn parrot]

If you go crunch and sacred then you won’t have an ice move

But besides that Crunch isn’t even stronger than throat chop at the end of the day

Same bp

Throat chop has other uses besides parting shot

[bold geode]

What huh

[bold geode]

You're talking about rolling for a defense drop......

On a Pokemon that already drops Defense

[torn parrot]

I prefer the consistent option the most

[mighty stump]

Also Clear Amulet widely available

Psy Noise/Hyper Voice/Snarl/PShot gets yoinked

with TC

[bold geode]

Also Sacred depending on team comp can be fine but mostly it's Ice Move + Double Dark move cuz like
Hit Caly Shadow WAY MORE consistently

[forest arrow]

Gm

[bold geode]

If Calyrex Shadow doesn't have a single way to dodge a Sucker Punch then that player is legitimately dumb as rocks

[left bobcat]

What’d the rocks do?

🪨

[timber falcon]

no brain

which is ironic coming from him

[next stump]

life is so boring without regionals to watch

[bold geode]

Frfr

[bold geode]

No you

[torn parrot]

When is the next regional girls

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-sleepy-sleep-tired-gif-14318583719667781954

[mint void]

soon

[solid frigate]

welp 1 more week to practice

and upate my teamlist

[next stump]

good luck, that's exciting

[solid frigate]

Time to show that Miraidon is the Next Metal Overlord

https://tenor.com/view/metal-sonic-sonic-metal-overlord-sonic-x-shadow-generations-sxsg-gif-13387528455165749902

[chrome knot]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[torn parrot]

yaaaaaaaaaaaa

WRRRAHHHHHH

[mint void]

do it in a beast ball now

[chrome knot]

no?

[torn parrot]

Do it in a quick ball

Someone should finish the entire pokedex in quick balls

It would piss me the fuck off

When they literally have the choice to pick their own ball

They do it in a quick ball

When the battle is 30 minutes in

Quick ball

[chrome knot]

me

[marsh solar]

hallo comp!
Hosting a shiny 0a0s foongus over in #swsh_max_raids if anyone might be interested!

[torn parrot]

Ah

[solid frigate]

Ah

[real prairie]

Ah

[mint void]

whats OaOs

[real prairie]

0 attack 0 speed

[torn parrot]

Rng manipulated raid Advertisement

[real prairie]

@solid frigate when is submission deadline for team submissions for B'ham?

[craggy dagger]

oooo nice nice

[chrome knot]

saturday morning

[charred saddle]

insane value. thanks a lot rubi

[gentle crag]

abused1 has given 1 Gen Rep to rubicera

[charred saddle]

mom

[craggy dagger]

hi

[charred saddle]

i smell

[craggy dagger]

???