competitive_discussion

[leaden fox]

Ok, Maushold is doing well

[cerulean nacelle]

Maushold do be that dude. I'm considering adding him back for a zard X team.

[leaden fox]

Can be proud of the chomp and mouse; helped me beat perish trap xD

Though will be funny when Weezing drops into Champions 😏

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol I just got the worst rng.

Missed a dual wingbeat that would kill the whimsicott even after i read the turn correctly (I switched in tsareena to block the priority encore).

Then my tsareena only gets 1 hit on triple axel. And it's the SECOND TIME this has happened in a ranked match lmao.

I also can't seem to get a good feel for a zard X team I enjoy. So might scrap zard X for me.

[winter fox]

Interesting analysis Google 🤔

[molten oasis]

2 sitrus berries

U turn sneasler, no fake out incin, no protect phox

[graceful scaffold]

looks like my team lol, my incin is blaze for the lolz

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have bulky char Y spread, bulky garchomp spread, and a normal sylv spread?

[cyan smelt]

Not to mention incin lost knock off lol

[polar canyon]

If they add nfes back I want them to add charjabug

I wanna play charjabug

[winter fox]

When I made a doubles Delphox team for the live event and finding out it's single battles and not doubles. So now I'm stuck with a doubles format team.

[cyan smelt]

How many nfes are actually good

[solid frigate]

4-5 during SV Era

at least from my memory

electabuzz,magmar,Clefairy,Porygon2

Dusclops if you want to count it

[timber falcon]

32 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 32 HP / 32+ Def Incineroar: 192-228 (95 - 112.8%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO i cant belive i missed a KO cause of this

[cyan smelt]

can't believe the shit i'm losing to, ally switch base alakazam

fucking breaking swipe aura sphere arch

[cerulean nacelle]

There's been some funny NFEs. In SwSh, galarian corsola was ironically quite a nuisance.

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol dw I missed an important dual wing beat then only got 1 hit on triple axel.

If I'd have landed that dual wingbeat they wouldn't have had tailwind, I would've killed their whimsicott. Instead I lost my aero and that whimsicott stayed on the field for too long.

[cyan smelt]

ok stunfisk is actually pretty goated, does decent damage into arch and can threaten aero and zard

I feel like my predictions are getting better

just lost to fucking pangoro lol

and now I lost to regular zoroark

every time I go on ladder on a fresh alt I encounter more wacky shit

I think I'll get rid of rain dance and imprison protect

[cyan smelt]

i just can't find something that's consistent

[cerulean nacelle]

Well... you are using mons like stunfisk

If you want consistency, use more consistent mons.

[cyan smelt]

i'm using fucking sneasler and gambit

and I hate mega scizor

i need rotom or something

to wisp it

what am I supposed to do against mega scizor? low ladder noobs love it

i'm bout to quit this reg, it's not fun

idk what to replace stunfisk with

yeah I'm bout to quit, no matter what I try it doesn't work

this team is hot garbage

everyone running zard y so stunfisk is useless

maybe I stick with farig gambit aero sneasler

[cyan smelt]

but then I need something for scizor man

[timber falcon]

Mega scizor isn’t bad

I wouldn’t say it’s low ladder slop

[cyan smelt]

yeah well no matter when I play against it I always struggle so I need something for it

need something for it, Glimm and Arch

and zard

team building is too difficult, the teams I make aren't good

yeah this team is trash time to abandon it

i just dunno what to do against zard and scizor

[cerulean nacelle]

Have a fire type or wisp. That's about it.

[cyan smelt]

is it worth running incin and mamo

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin I think has more of a place atm because less people are on milo I feel like.

Still gotta be wary of gambit but there's more of a use case for incin rn.

[cyan smelt]

incin and gambit though?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah? What about it?

Other than a bit of a fighting weakness it's not bad overall.

[cyan smelt]

sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah sneasler will always be prevalent. But incin + mamo would be the same amount of fighting weaknesses.

[cyan smelt]

yeah if i run incin mamo and gambit and kang that's 4

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah if you already have quite a few fighting weaknesses I wouldn't recommend.

But once again, you aren't gonna be able to cover all weaknesses

[cyan smelt]

this game is super tilting me rn

i played randbats and i'm still losing

i'm gonna go back to skeledirge and mamo

actually wait that's bad against zard

idfk man

this reg feels impossible for me atm

there's just one mon I need to help me with my problem MUs but idk what

what if i run skeledirge and aero and mamo idk

sneasler, aero, farig, kang, gambit, skele?

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean skele makes your scizor MU better but scizor is rare, so you're just making all your MUs worse.

[cyan smelt]

what about kommo-o

idk i'm struggling here

need to look at dex again

if my WR is ok but I'm struggling against sneasler, arch and glimm, then I need a ground type clearly

scarf mold breaker exca?

would solve rotom too

[cerulean nacelle]

Excadrill would work well into glimm and rotom. It's also good into floette. And if you run aero it's a good aero partner.

But idk about scarf.

[cyan smelt]

farig, a9, gambit, sneasler, aero, exca?

[cerulean nacelle]

Maybe sash drill and mega aero. That'd be good.

[cyan smelt]

should i scrap kang entirely?

[cerulean nacelle]

Up to you. I don't like kang as a primary attacker rn.

[cyan smelt]

i need to fake out ghosts

[cerulean nacelle]

Do you?

[cyan smelt]

well i struggle with sneasler, arch and glimm and rotom more

[cerulean nacelle]

It's nice to have but plenty of teams do well without the ability to fake out ghosts.

Also most people by now know if you see a kang you protect your ghost turn 1 to stop scrappy fake out.

Or at least I do. Lotsa people try to fake out mega froslass with scrappy kang.

[cyan smelt]

i don't see much mega froslass

it's all zard

idk man this game makes me angry atm

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not common and it's why i was using it. It's fills a similar zard role but has a good secondary offensive typing that it can utilise.

My main point is most people know not to let kang fake out their ghosts.

[cyan smelt]

a lot of people don't

[cerulean nacelle]

Then that's a lot of low ladder people ngl.

When you get higher up on ladder, people will be expecting it. I think it has its uses like mega lopunny is good. But mega kang just lacks damage output even with double edge it feels like and then it's longevity is going down.

[cyan smelt]

i'm just tired of all the zards

[cerulean nacelle]

Well zard is gonna be prevalent. And the times zard won't be prevalent probably will be when restricteds are about so it's not much better.

[cyan smelt]

maybe i need torkoal

[cerulean nacelle]

If you're struggling into zard and rotom, why torkoal?

[cyan smelt]

want to nuke them

[cerulean nacelle]

Torkoal will never nuke rotom or zard Y.

[cyan smelt]

well then what will because i'm at my wits end here

[cerulean nacelle]

Not much will nuke rotom. Its typically bulky.

Zard Y is just rock type moves. Glimm and aero are both prevalent because of their ability to check zard Y among other uses.

[cyan smelt]

it's just like 1 or two mons that are letting me down and idk what I change to fix it

[cerulean nacelle]

Like... I did funny shenanigans to deal with zard Y and rotom on my team. I had ancient power on mega camerupt which killed zard Y and I had gravity on farigiraf which let mega camerupt earth power nuke washtom.

But those are very niche use cases

[cyan smelt]

idk I was kinda thinking about running gravity

[cerulean nacelle]

Gravity is niche but funny. Just gotta be careful with the partners you use it with.

I think the main issue is you're trying to cover too much.

[graceful scaffold]

is the online competition singles only? or did i make a mistake lol

[cyan smelt]

gravity + earth power or high horsepower sounds good

[cerulean nacelle]

It was funny with mega camerupt + farigiraf. Just had to be careful because mega camerupt does outspeed farigiraf in trick room.

The main thing I'd say is deal with the primary threats. Zard Y is a big example. Deal with the potential big weather's like rain and sun. Then have your plans to take down the big 3. Basc, sneasler, gambit.

There is always gonna be variation that you can't prepare for. But for most teams those are pretty constant.

[cerulean nacelle]

Also yes I believe the comp is singles. Which threw a lotta people off.

[graceful scaffold]

dies

[cyan smelt]

I'm honestly on the verge of quitting randbats and vgc because I keep losing to jank

[graceful scaffold]

nah, u have to keep going now im trying it out

[cyan smelt]

I don't want to, it's all zard and if it's not zard it's scizor

[graceful scaffold]

:(

[cerulean nacelle]

I ain't seen no scizors so you might be unlucky.

Though I did see a team with salazzle and jolteon on it. That was funny.

[cyan smelt]

I'm playing on showdown and I feel like every second team has scizor and if it's not scizor it's zard

It's very exhausting

I still need something for glimm, arch and sneasler

Excadrill is looking like a good option

[cerulean nacelle]

Could try drill. It's a mon not a lot of people give thought to other than on sand.

[cyan smelt]

But then do i get rid of gambit? How is a9 next to excadrill

[cerulean nacelle]

Uh... probably eh. Excadrill doesn't have that much bulk.

[cyan smelt]

I like the core of farig gambit, sneasler, aero, i think that's solid

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah that's a good tailroom core.

[cyan smelt]

I need mons that can function in both

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega garde 🙂

[cyan smelt]

I feel like i don't know a lot of speed tiers

[dark sorrel]

Venusaur? None of them can counter it for an ohko, and earth power is better into arch than physical ground moves if it's stamina. Just run it bulky.

Drill can be ohko'd by sneasler close combat and glim earth power so you have to play around that

[cerulean nacelle]

Actually yeah mega venu is good.

[cyan smelt]

Well the 4 mons i was struggling with were rotom, arch, sneasler and glimm

[dark sorrel]

Energy ball on venu will also deal with rotom (wash i assume)

[cyan smelt]

So aero sneasler, gambit, farig, mega venu

[cerulean nacelle]

You could also run mega aero who makes for a good secondary mega if you want that.

And it frees up sash for a different mon if need be.

[cyan smelt]

Do you think i should still run a9, i feel like it's good

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm testing it on zard X team where it is more about supporting the 1 mon setting up and I still dislike using a9.

[cyan smelt]

It feels like there's lots threatening it

[cerulean nacelle]

Because there is. Especially at the top.

Fairy ice is a very volatile type.

[cyan smelt]

I'm going to put everything in a teambuilder and see if I can come up with a 6th

[cerulean nacelle]

If you don't wanna run mega aero, perhaps think about running a more aggressive trick room mega. Such as mega camerupt or mega crabominable.

[cyan smelt]

Crab is fraud

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah but everyone seems to think it can do something so I suggest it anyway lol

Both crab and golurk are frauds.

[cyan smelt]

Can floette work in tr

Wait floette is mostly with sinistcha

[cerulean nacelle]

Floette is 104 speed

Still quire fast.

[cyan smelt]

Also wait sneasler and venusaur?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah. That's fine.

Venu isn't weak to ground because grass cancels it out.

Venu also works better in TR.

[cyan smelt]

Alright just need something for zard now that works in tr

Basc?

Waittttt

Drampa

Idk if I need something for Scizor

Basc hits really hard

[cerulean nacelle]

If you have aero, use aero. It's the zard killer.

[cyan smelt]

Should i put camerupt as the 6th?

Teambuilding is hard

Also aero is faster than mega lopunny right?

[slim saddle]

So, can I ask something about character customisation in Champions here?

[chrome knot]

what

[dark sorrel]

drampa learns flamethrower

[cyan smelt]

What moves does drampa usually run

[cerulean nacelle]

Yes.

[chrome knot]

regular aero no

[cerulean nacelle]

I like camerupt and it's a good mon into zard Y etc.

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah sorry mega aero does. Mega lopunny is 135 speed isn't it.

[chrome knot]

mhm

[slim saddle]

Well, I haven't found a channel specifically about this game

[cyan smelt]

Is three mega options too extra

[cerulean nacelle]

Yes

[cyan smelt]

Maybe just torkoal then?

I have no clue

[cerulean nacelle]

You can always run sash aero and then have mega venu and mega camerupt be your megas.

[cyan smelt]

But tough claws ice fang is tempting

[slim saddle]

So the mod redirected me here

[cerulean nacelle]

Rock slide and dual wingbeat with tailwind + protect is fine even on mega aero.

[cyan smelt]

I want to nuke chomps

[cerulean nacelle]

Still don't think that ice fang mega aero is the way to go about that.

[cyan smelt]

But i struggle with zard so rock slide is a must

If I struggle with sneasler then dual wingbeat is a must

[cerulean nacelle]

And tailwind and protect are a must

This is why I say ice fang isn't the way to deal with chomp. Aero is already tight on space.

[cyan smelt]

4mss

[chrome knot]

aero ice fang seems strong rn if ur the zard mirror

[dark sorrel]

Run flamethrower, dragon pulse/meteor, hyper voice protect on Drampa, and you can deal with chomps and Scizor

Alternatively Dragonite can fill the same role, but drampa is better into trick room.

[chrome knot]

jobless mon😭

[cyan smelt]

Idk what to put as 6th

How bout snorlax, it's great into zard

Wait i need something for scizor

Aegislash?

Maybe just incin

[bold geode]

@chrome knot hai

[cyan smelt]

Ceruledge is great into zard and scizor

[leaden fox]

Am I the only one who thought the "May competition" was Double battles? 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

No a lot of people did.

[leaden fox]

I even set up a Doubles team for it too 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh not even people's fault. Bad advertising on the games behalf.

[leaden fox]

Yep, pretty much xD

When they announce these competitions, should have in bold letters if Singles or Doubles xD

on the logo that is

[cyan smelt]

I mean i haven't logged into champions for ages and i knew it was singles

[leaden fox]

Been logging into it ages and didn't know xD

[cerulean nacelle]

You figured out your team yet?

[leaden fox]

I do not know why; but why is my brain saying "build a Char X team" or "build a Mega Slowbro team" 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm still tryna build mega zard X team.

I've currently got

Zard X
Maushold
Sinsitcha
Sneasler
Aero
A9

But honestly A9 is weird.

[leaden fox]

You could go Tyranitar?

instead of A9

Or maybe just run Sylveon

[cerulean nacelle]

Zard X kinda needs extra support that's the issue. Ttar and sylv don't provide that tbh.

[cyan smelt]

is this a new meta team or something? zard, incin, garchomp, sylveon, farig, aero

[cerulean nacelle]

I've never seen it. So idk about meta.

[cyan smelt]

watching a game and two people have the exact same team

at least I know farig and aero is solid then

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah it's tailroom

[cyan smelt]

and added bonus of not being able to fake out or sucker punch zard

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah. I'd also assume helping hand on zard heatwaves is pretty good.

[cyan smelt]

sounds frightening

[leaden fox]

Hm 🤔
What about Raichu LR?

[cerulean nacelle]

For a while I had helping hand on farig to power up mega camerupt heat waves.

[cerulean nacelle]

LR?

[leaden fox]

Lightning Rod

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh. What for specifically.

[cyan smelt]

oh, the chomp on the team is mega chomp too

even scarier

[leaden fox]

Ah, I misread the team 😅
Hmmmm... 🤔

[cerulean nacelle]

Eh, mega chomp I've always found to be underwhelming.

[leaden fox]

What about Kanga?
Or possibly Gyarados?

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok for what context. I have no clue what you're referring to atm.

[leaden fox]

in place of A9

[cerulean nacelle]

Ohhhhh

I'm looking back rn. I'm thinking of adding wisp washtom

[leaden fox]

I was about to mention Washtom too lol

[cerulean nacelle]

I'll keep mucking about. But atm zard X is feeling a bit odd.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, probably one of the not so easy mons to build a team around, but it's possible

And of course I search up a Zard X and this is what it gives me 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

It definitely is, I just haven't found those mons that I enjoy and gel well together. If I don't feel like I enjoy the playstyle, I will not play the team.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah the ol zard X milotic sinistcha core.

Milotic is actually quite good. Dissuading incin is actually a good shout.

Might change washtom to milotic.

[leaden fox]

May be a good shout

[cyan smelt]

mega greninja is fraud status

[next stump]

this happened to me last night, matched up into one of my friends bringing the same team to Indy

[cyan smelt]

that's gotta be the new sauce

damn mega camerupt can ohko incin

i might need to consider this

actually, is dragapult faster than sneasler? i might consider running pult with psychic fangs

[leaden fox]

Well then 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok so just done my first casual match with it, and it literally helped me stall out mega blastoise in trick room, because it just couldn't beat it and I kept putting things to sleep.

[cerulean nacelle]

But his is full shiny for the flex haha.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Milotic be bulky xD

[chrome knot]

chopped vs chopped

[cerulean nacelle]

It was mostly the coil hypnosis shenanigans. While slowly whittling down foes with muddy water.

[cyan smelt]

what if my 6th is mega ampharos?

[timber falcon]

No

[cyan smelt]

gallade?

[timber falcon]

What’s the current 5?

[cyan smelt]

gambit, farig, sneasler, aero, mega venusaur

i'm feeling rotom, maybe

[timber falcon]

Why venasaur here?

[cyan smelt]

sneasler, arch and glimm

[timber falcon]

What’s the game plan

[cyan smelt]

tailroom

[timber falcon]

I meant like with leads

Tailroom would have 2 different modes right?

[cerulean nacelle]

I would assume main leads probably are sneasler aero for tailwind and then something like farig gambit or farig venu for trick room.

He's tryna check absolutely everything, even though you physically can't.

[cyan smelt]

no I'm mainly trying to deal with sneasler, arch, rotom and glimm

[leaden fox]

People not expecting the Marvel Scale Milotic 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol I won against a bellibolt player while I had milotic out front because he for some reason used electroweb on a sneasler milotic lead. So I got hypnosis off on bellibolt, set up a coil and then muddy water accuracy drop messed bellibolt up because he missed both hits on parabolic charge against my zard X and milotic lol.

[leaden fox]

If it was me, I would've done Parabolic 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah zard X sinistcha milotic is just too good a pair. I do still have maushold because preventing trick room with taunt is nice and the redirection is good.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, makes sense

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah parabolic was the right play but he'd just lost way too much advantage. I 1shot his chomp after a d dance with zard and his bellibolt wouldn't have been able to kill my zard X especially with a9 in the back (yeah I kept a9 it's not awful).

[winter fox]

Y'all what do I do lmao. How am I supposed to use this Delphox team in the singles format for the monthly event.

[leaden fox]

Feel that pain xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Cry

[leaden fox]

I did the same and thought it was Doubles

[cerulean nacelle]

That's it

[winter fox]

And the funny thing is I literally had three singles teams ready to be used at any time

[leaden fox]

I don't really play Singles myself; feels not enjoyable to me 😅

[timber falcon]

what is a real fast, strong, physical sweeper that doesnt die to sucker punch immediately

im talking late game wipe

[leaden fox]

Hm 🤔 I wonder myself

[timber falcon]

i miss shifu

[leaden fox]

I know Urshifu did get nerfed (the ability)

[winter fox]

I mean if you want to climb up the ranks really fast then there is that.

Takes about...an hour maybe to get to Masters in singles.

[timber falcon]

but it still gets that wonderful signiture move which always crits

what i wouldnt give for choice band wicked blow rn

[leaden fox]

I know 😅

[leaden fox]

True yeah

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/4045e6b11df2dd46 reworking my original primaina team, thoughts on the concept? not really solid on chomp

[leaden fox]

Hm 🤔 I haven't made a team focused around Primar before

[cyan smelt]

i kinda want to use lycanroc dusk because it gets psychic fangs, rock slide and play rough and it's faster than chomp

[timber falcon]

i like the typing, so i thought itd be interesting to build around

but now im worried the team looks a lil too passive

2 quad ice weaknesses...

[cyan smelt]

but aero is strictly better than lycanroc dusk i think

[timber falcon]

different roles

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I do love using Prima too; just haven't made a team for it recently (last time I did was when the regs were up to Paradox or RegH, etc

[polar canyon]

Still haven't figured out how to beat rain archaludon teams with a non archaludon rain team

Like how do you achieve that

[timber falcon]

i guess i just thought that with rilla gone itd be easier so activate with calm mind, and tbh it really is

its just that after scovillain dies i find it as a sitting duck

[cyan smelt]

i'm still trying to figure out a 6th for aero, farig, sneasler, gambit, venusaur

do we think sylveon?

[polar canyon]

Jolly scarf kleavor is pretty fun

A funny thing is mega aero users usually calc to outspeed scarf basc so you can ko them instantly with stone axe

[timber falcon]

why do chomps run jab rn?

[polar canyon]

They do?

[timber falcon]

i detest

[polar canyon]

Detest what

[timber falcon]

ive seen a lot

[polar canyon]

Just invest more speed then silly

[leaden fox]

Yeah, without Rilla and Amoongus; it has an easier time

[timber falcon]

every kleavor ive seen just OHKOs my poor scovillain

[leaden fox]

Just not put it against the Megas yet is all

[polar canyon]

Sharpness is a hell of a stereoid

[leaden fox]

Sharpness boosted Kleavor does that

[timber falcon]

even with burn after the chip is substantial

[polar canyon]

I picked it up for farig and ever since every opponent that has it didn't bring it to the game

It's like a giraffe repellent

They hate the bug

My only issue is it doing nothing to archaludon much like half the pokemon that exist

[timber falcon]

whats the 6?

[polar canyon]

The 5

[leaden fox]

Yeah, perfect mon to counter TR xD

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/39b5e6b5fd5dd7bd

[timber falcon]

i see one mon that can hit arch nicely

probabaly want another

[polar canyon]

Yeah if it can survive until there's an opening

And I cant fake out arch so it doesn't get a defense boost

[timber falcon]

why not try mega venasaur?

[polar canyon]

Why

[timber falcon]

i had good fun using it into rain, with sebaleye as support i can see it doing good damage

[cyan smelt]

i need a 6th and idk what to use

[timber falcon]

great bulk, i think youve already got tools to support it even outside of arch MUs

[polar canyon]

Every game I had against venu was not very hard because its mega evo gives the incredible ability to get 2hkod by super effective moves instead of ohko

And deal average damage back

[timber falcon]

flying and psychic it hates

[leaden fox]

Maybe Kangaskhan you could run; with just Fake Out + Last Resort 😏

[polar canyon]

Like maybe a pelipper

[timber falcon]

ah yeah peli is annoying

im tryna remember how i managed to deal with it

[polar canyon]

Back in sv I used to deal with it with neutralizing gas lol

Just dont let it rain

[leaden fox]

If only Weezing was in the game ...

[polar canyon]

But if I have a rain team that's less than ideal

I started trying kleavor today and it does help some mus pretty well

I was struggling with tr from farig

[cyan smelt]

woah i just saw awesome tech, skill swap wyrdeer into gambit to trigger competitive and defiant boosts

[timber falcon]

ok

so i dealt with peli by using archaludon lmao

[leaden fox]

Ah yes, Wyrdeer special tech xD

[cyan smelt]

wyrdeer's signature move lol

[polar canyon]

I'm also kinda weak to intimidate rn and my saving grace is that incin is not quite as prevalent as in his prime

And sneasler

[timber falcon]

been there with milotic muddy water, most fustrating game ive recently had. He read every single one of my moves and i got 4-0d

[timber falcon]

if you cant beat em

[polar canyon]

Does chople gambit calc for adamant sneasler

[polar canyon]

Hey I do have intimidate

[cyan smelt]

ykw maybe the 6th on my team should just be camerupt

[polar canyon]

I'm not against using incin but I dont think adding it to the team accomplishes what I need

[timber falcon]

all jokes asside, does an archaludon look bad on ur team rn? maybe with snarl?

[leaden fox]

it does yeah

[polar canyon]

Dang

I only have adamant for that

[leaden fox]

Should go down to approx 27% - 36%

[polar canyon]

I guess using adamant hasn't hindered me so far

[polar canyon]

I mean I guess but I still cant kill opposing arch

[timber falcon]

but u can make it redundant

[polar canyon]

I can try to get an electro shot +1 and draco

I guess that makes sense

[timber falcon]

mhm

maybe snarl sometimes even

[leaden fox]

Imagine running a high speed mon with Trick on Gambit; then CC into it xD

Oh wait; Alakazam gets Trick 🤔

Would be a funny tech play xD

[polar canyon]

Yall ever find a player who plays exactly how you play

And manage to outplay how you think you play

Found another encore disable fake out sableye

[leaden fox]

Well then xD

tbf, Sableye runs that many sets it's insane

Damn this Marvel Scale Milotic is toxic 🤣

[cyan smelt]

is it for gambits or chomps or what

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2620732623-8lslleeg8b1olt8uksfuy7e8gn6s5awpw
@cyan smelt I'll let you judge xD

[timber falcon]

vile gameplay

[leaden fox]

Yes, yes it is xD

No one expects Marvel Scale Milotic and Heatproof Sinistcha 🤣

[timber falcon]

Are you running Zard X or Y?

[leaden fox]

Zard X

[cyan smelt]

i still need a 6th for tailroom, should I also run marvel scale milotic for the lols

oh wait no flame orb

[leaden fox]

Even without Flame Orb; you can swap it in on an expected burn play if you wish to 🙂

[cyan smelt]

what do you do against zard though

[leaden fox]

Plus Leftovers give you gradual healing

[cyan smelt]

wait i could run it against sinistcha and get boosted def lol

[leaden fox]

Yep

[cyan smelt]

not sure I like muddy water with all these gambits around, should i run recover, scald, ice beam?

[leaden fox]

Against Char Y; I have faced it already with the team, it's just making sure to slow them down

You'd be surprised how much the accuracy drops help

[cyan smelt]

wait coil muddy water recover protect?

[leaden fox]

No protect, Hypnosis xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Hypnosis

[cyan smelt]

interesting

[cerulean nacelle]

1 coil makes hypnosis like almost a guarantee

2 coils means hypnosis will never miss.

[leaden fox]

yep

[cerulean nacelle]

The hypnosis milotic has been doing me wonders for the zard X team.

[cyan smelt]

i may as well try milotic, it's as good as anything else

so sneasler, aero, gambit, farig, venusaur, milotic?

[cerulean nacelle]

Ended up settling on

Char x
Sinistcha
Milotic
Sneasler
Maushold
A-ninetales

[cyan smelt]

i'm wondering if i should run sash aero instead of mega aero

[cerulean nacelle]

Sash aero has its uses. But mega aeros higher offensive capabilities and slightly improved bulk are also good.

You can actually invest enough speed to outspeed base 130s, or 135 if you wanna outspeed mega lopunny, then invest some HP.

[cyan smelt]

milotic would help me against those damn scizors too

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah hypnosis to put scizor to sleep is good

And coil makes milotic harder to deal with for those physical attackers.

Honestly I wanted to avoid using milotic as much because my first team had it but this milotic set plays a lot more differently to what I was running anyway.

[leaden fox]

Only time Milotic struggles is against special attackers

[cerulean nacelle]

And honestly dissuading incin is always really useful, even if it's usage is kinda weird atm.

[cerulean nacelle]

Even then, still not the worst. I've had milotic tank zard Y solar beams and it tanked a bellibolt electromorphosis boosted thunderbolt.

It's honestly not awful.

[solid frigate]

why the fuck it looks so similar to my first iteration of the team lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Great minds think alike lmao

[solid frigate]

i did update the team by removing milotic and sini in favour of rotom wash and Garchomp

While corv is the only one did not change besides Zard X,sneasler and Froslass

[cerulean nacelle]

I do like the idea of zard X froslass

And I was actually using washtom before I swapped to milotic.

[solid frigate]

at least let me hit Basc lol

Also tried Thunder Punch Zard X cuz now i have Chomp

mostly for Milotic teams

[cerulean nacelle]

Fair

Milotic feels really rare atm.

But honestly maushold is quite good for milotic match ups because you can super fang and easily put it in range of a kill.

[solid frigate]

i still see some but like its also fine for a coverage option

[solid frigate]

cuz like the only valid coverage if you are not running dragon dance is thunder punch,rock slide and EQ

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, I just like the standard flare blitz, d claw, d dance protect. But thunder punch boosted by tough claws is decent. Almost 100BP at that point.

[cyan smelt]

what evs for milotic

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm running 32 HP, 29 defense and 5 special defense or something? With a +spdef -attack nature.

[cyan smelt]

and evs for mega aero ig, enough to outspeed jolly mega lopunny?

[cerulean nacelle]

If you're gonna be using mega aero a lot, as is probably the case with tailroom, it's probably good to outspeed mega lopunny at least.

But max max isn't bad either.

[solid frigate]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 30 HP / 16 Def / 10 SpA / 1 SpD / 9 Spe
Modest Nature

• Scald
• Icy Wind
• Recover
• Haze

32 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 30 HP / 1 SpD Milotic: 132-156 (66 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

you usually just run Max Attack max Speed with Jolly nature anyway

and it should outspeed

[leaden fox]

Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 HP / 29 Def / 5 SpD
Calm Nature

• Muddy Water
• Hypnosis
• Coil
• Recover

This is what I use xP

[cyan smelt]

i'm going to imprison protects on farig and set up the coils and then muddy water everything

[solid frigate]

Imprision in the big 2026

[cerulean nacelle]

Same

[solid frigate]

kinda the reason why i run haze lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah honestly I ran imprison tr hyper voice twin beam farigiraf for ages.

It shut down most farigirafs

[solid frigate]

probably because during SV i slowly used Indeedee over fari for most teams i build that isn't Miraidon

that can fill an anti prio role

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah that's fair.

Indeedee is gonna make mega alakazam and armarouge stonks rise despite mega alakazam being kinda mid from my testing.

[solid frigate]

Mega Alakazam is not that good

we already have Gardevoir in this meta that also fits the role of hard hitting psychic type attacker

Also when Flutter Mane comes back its not gonna end well

[cerulean nacelle]

No, it always feels like psychic terrain boosted expanding force from alakazam should do more. But the lack of a good ability boosting his power is noticeable.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah mega garde is funny. I had someone spam wide guard multiple times and I just clicked psychic or aura sphere to hit the 1 ttar.

[solid frigate]

thats the issue,the ability fucking sucks

Remember Mega Meowstic having trace

Yeah,Alakazam is basically the same thing but with min maxxed stats

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah if mega alakazam already isn't doing enough, mega alakazam from wish isn't either

Which is a shame because there's now almost literally no use case for mega meow

[pearl wind]

time for the single battle event

how many games is it for the "reward"

[solid frigate]

i was laughing and sad that mega meowstic becomes worse mega alakazam

cuz i literally want Mega Meowstic to be real during the teaser trailer in ZA

[cerulean nacelle]

Just do sash glimm lead, followed by shell smash mega blastoise.

You'll do great.

[cerulean nacelle]

It's a cool design. I didn't expect psychic surge like a lot of people said but I did think maybe like... maybe a built in psychic life orb or something.

Something to distinguish itself. But nope. Mega alakazam-lite.

[solid frigate]

Post DLC Geeta approves this message

[cerulean nacelle]

Dude it made me so mad when I saw geeta using glimm as her ace.

Pre-DLC geeta anyway. It did get fixed.

But yeah mega blastoise and mega lucario are busted in singles.

Who would've thought that adaptability boosted close combats and meteor mashes followed by the best priority in e speed and SD would be good in singles

fucking insane

[austere pilot]

Pure skill

[cerulean nacelle]

Damn that's close

[cyan smelt]

is milotic good against aero?

I haven't used it before, idk what to not bring it against

[solid frigate]

its not bad against Aero

[cyan smelt]

i feel like it'd struggle against basc

[cyan smelt]

i hate low ladder, lost to perish song gengar with encore tinkaton and clangorous soul kommo-o

why do i bother with this meta

[cyan smelt]

the team actually seems pretty good

i can lead sneasler aero and switch in farig to prevent fake outs

i like it

[cerulean nacelle]

It's OK. Doesn't stop tailwind but aero would prefer not to take a muddy water or scald to the face.

[cerulean nacelle]

This was the similar stuff I was doing with tsareena

Using sneasler aero as a lead then switching in tsareena if I expect a priority move like whimsicott prankster encore or such.

[cyan smelt]

this looks new too, tinkaton, kommo-o, gengar, incin, sinistcha, politoed

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not too uncommon. Kommo-o has soundproof so it can't be hit by perish song. Gengar and politoed are perish song users. Incin and sinistcha can pivot out of perish trap easily and tinkaton can have mold breaker fake out for farig.

[cyan smelt]

i need to fake out tinkaton next time I see it then

i feel like kommo-o might be getting more popular, kleavor too

[cerulean nacelle]

Kommo-o hates the fact that sylveon and floette are prevalent. And it hates that chomp can chunk it for some high damage with dragon claw.

I wouldn't say it's getting more popular. It's just niche.

[cyan smelt]

also mega venusaur helped me against a rotom so there's one uptick for mega venusaur, now I need to see how it does against glimm and sneasler and arch

so you know what, I don't have to cover for everything, just most popular stuff

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah mega venu is bulky and has good coverage.

[cyan smelt]

i feel like at some point i might replace milotic with basc but i'll see how it goes

[cerulean nacelle]

Thick fat legit does heavy lifting. Going from 2 weaknesses to 2 neutralities really helps it with its longevity.

Like... it's weak to psychic and flying after that basically.

And that's it.

[cyan smelt]

there's no way i'm sending it in against zard

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying send it against a zard. But against some general fire type attacks like incin flare blitz or a stray ice beam, venu tanks it well.

[cyan smelt]

yeah it is tanky

also i went back to 3 moves protect on gambit because i didn't like not having tect on there

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, protect is nice

It's rough picking what move you lose typically between low kick or a stab but protect is really good on gambit atm.

[cyan smelt]

earth power on venusaur, rock slide on aero, muddy water on milotic and cc on sneasler should be enough for incin and gambits

[cyan smelt]

Even if incins and gambits are chople

[real prairie]

The new "metapod use harden" https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BDKKhwyDF/

[indigo coral]

Why are we posting facebook links?

[real prairie]

It's a reel, we have in the past

I'll just download it next time lol

[cyan smelt]

why are people so toxic on showdown

[cyan smelt]

randbats is way too hard for me

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh you either get super nice or really horrible. I had a close match against sand on showdown which I lost and I said "gg, well played" and he said "ez, your team is so bad" despite him basically only winning because I got rock slide flinched.

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2620943358
Another team being tested; don't expect the cat xD

[dense latch]

nice

[cyan smelt]

is the cat faster than aero

[dense latch]

there's a lot of cats

meowscarada?

[cyan smelt]

Meow

[dense latch]

no

123 base vs 130

[cyan smelt]

I want to put swords dance back on gambit, i feel it might help me with zard

[polar canyon]

Turns out using my own archaludon to hope I win the mirror as an arch response doesn't feel the safest

I can definitely outplay people but only as much as I'm also outplayable

[cerulean nacelle]

Same strengths but also similar weaknesses.

[molten oasis]

Scarf it

[timber falcon]

im seeing so many incins now

is power herb chomp a decent idea?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/80679e258389bd92 so im on a really weird win streak with this team

but, the team isnt good. Every game, i bring the same 4 mons, lead prim with maus/scovillain then maus/scovillain in the back with chomp

so altaria and corv do absolutely nothing

and im not sure where to go from here, cause i am still winning

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2621207032-7edd0lslssjqlc0jeqgot7v3be5wl84pw like here

no secondary mega, no seperate mode, ive hit a block in the team