competitive_discussion

[amber patrol]

Wrong way around

76 def 180 sp def

[bold geode]

Try that sure

[amber patrol]

Okay

I prefer investing defense instead of HP since Metagross has an average HP stat

[bold geode]

And then like 4 in speed to make it all mesh out, and then maybe actually give it some HP investment and give it a decent amount of attack

[tiny peak]

Any singles players that can help me with items and movesets?

[bold geode]

Sorry I'm being so vague, I'm trying my best here

Lol

[trail obsidian]

Anybody willing to trade a Arceus for a Lugia

[next stump]

wrong chat

#trading_sv_pokedex

or a different trade channel

[next stump]

normally you want to invest in HP before investing in a specific DEF/SpDEF stat

it gives you better general bulk, because you wont always face physical or special attackers

[amber patrol]

So, 252 HP 252 atk?

[amber patrol]

That's why I was thinking 76 def 180 sp def

[next stump]

4+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 134-162 (75.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 180 Def Metagross: 116-140 (74.8 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

they give you essentially equal bulk, but HP works against both damage types

[amber patrol]

I guess

[next stump]

the only clear case I can think of where DEF is better than HP is with Urshifu and its critical hits

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 180 Def Metagross on a critical hit: 81-99 (52.2 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Metagross on a critical hit: 99-120 (55.6 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

even then, not a huge difference

[amber patrol]

What if I run 180 HP, 76 spd, and rock polish as the 4th move?

[next stump]

are you playing singles or doubles

[amber patrol]

Doubles

[next stump]

metagross doesn't need boosting in doubles

protect is too valuable

[amber patrol]

Alright, thanks

[next stump]

but yes, that EV spread looks solid

near max HP, near max ATK, with the rest into your defenses + speed

[amber patrol]

What should I run as my item?

[next stump]

assault vest if you're running 4 attacks, life orb if you're running 3 attacks + protect

[amber patrol]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

lucy30252 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[amber patrol]

How much should I put into speed? 76 EVs doesn't seem like enough

[tulip peak]

tropius slept on

[amber patrol]

Tropius awesome

[next stump]

108SPE would outspeed most slow Heatran, but really there isn't a ton in the metagross speed tier range that you can outspeed easily

most people just accept they're slow and use bullet punch + investment into bulk to play around it

or maybe trick room

[amber patrol]

How about 252 HP, and run the 4th move as high horsepower?

[next stump]

does it get high horsepower?

[amber patrol]

Pretty sure

[next stump]

I think you're stuck with stomping tantrum

but that is a great coverage move for it

[amber patrol]

Yeah no high horsepower

So, 252 atk HP, bullet punch, meteor mash, psychic fangs, and stomping tantrum

[next stump]

good moveset, with AV as the item for that set

[amber patrol]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1702786148:R>.

[amber patrol]

This bot annoying tbh

I probably would run a trick room build, but it's a shiny Metagross and I do NOT wanna try get that with a 0 speed IV

Nintendo please give us reverse bottle caps

Oh do I do steel or water tera btw? I assume steel because then it gets x2 stab

Also sheds its weaknesses from psychic

[next stump]

steel bullet bunch picks up KOs onto flutter mane, but defensive tera might be the way to go

idk I haven't tested with metagross yet to say which is better

[amber patrol]

I mean, steel is still pretty defensive

[next stump]

still weak to ground, still weak to fire, etc.

it's nice to shed the dark and ghost weakness though

[craggy swan]

what really counters incineroar?

[smoky hawk]

Hard press doesn't seem too good, does it?

Max BP is 100

[smoky hawk]

Water urshifu, excadrill

[fallen rivet]

Archaludon can do stuff to it if stamina is up but idk if that counts

[smoky hawk]

I'm considering an iron def body press set for metagross

[fallen garden]

god why did they bring back the expanding force tm

i'm not emotionally prepared for new psyspam teams

[mighty stump]

Not Exca

[keen karma]

beating and countering isnt the same thing right?

because exca outspeeds most incins + clear amulet can beat incins

[mighty stump]

“Clicks Fake Out, doesn’t get OHKO’d, Parting Shots”

[craggy swan]

then isnt that the same with urishifu

[bronze niche]

is hydro beam a good coverage move on ||hydrapple|| <- indigo disk spoiler for those wondering

[fallen rivet]

I ran into a psyspam team with reuniclus using astonish to activate wp on blood moon

I took out the Ursa but still lost to expanding force

[mighty stump]

No? Cause Urshifu can actually OHKO some Incins lol

Excadrill barely does

If you want an actual Incin counter run Annihilape cause Incin has a poor 1-1 matchup into that.

or just use Mane and chunk it

[eternal kiln]

lol id almost say Incin counters excadrill

[keen karma]

Most yeah

My excadrill shits on most incins ive played

[chrome knot]

so uh

I forgot to IV train my kingambit that i brought to my pc today

[dapper crag]

Is lunala good In pvp ot has 412 sp attack and Tera ghost type

[dapper crag]

very good Pokemon

[dapper crag]

I got its it ivs to max but do I put next to speed or health

[dapper crag]

depends on the team it's in, hard to tell rn since restricted are not allowed

but it's very good

[mighty stump]

Its restricted

You absolutely cannot tell someone a Pokemon is “good” if it has seen no play due to the format not existing.

[dapper crag]

It doesn't say restricted

Nevermind I'm looking at wrong thing

I see why it restricted the sp attack is pretty damn busted

With tera

[mighty stump]

It’s 2 more than Flutter and equivalent to Raging Bolt

No point putting random EVs into it since no build for Gen 9 exists. The only thing I can tell you is that it’s not going to be using Tera Ghost.

[dapper crag]

Guessing any busted Pokémon doesn't last long in pvo before being restricted or nerfed

I got my own build

[mighty stump]

?

All legends are restricted until further down the line?

[dapper crag]

This is for pvp and not

Basically one shoting any pokemon even 5 to 6 star raids but it depends on raids

[mighty stump]

• Anything works for PvE
• Raids have different builds and a dedicated channel
• There is no current PvP build and restricted format is coming in the future.

[dapper crag]

Oh

[mighty stump]

• Raids and PvP have differing builds.

[dapper crag]

I got meloetta ironically it no longer considered rare and I'm surprised anyone found it

But thanks for info tofu

[smoky hawk]

252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Incineroar: 205-244 (101.4 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

try #tera_strategy_discussion

[mighty stump]

Someone forgot about Intimidate

[smoky hawk]

That's where urshifu shines

But you can switch in after intimidate

[mighty stump]

-1 252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 159-190 (78.7 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

I do not deny Urshifu, i’m denying Excadrill being an Incin counter

Id rather run Annihilape

[smoky hawk]

Exca can check it though. I acknowledge there are better answers like urshifu and annihilape

[mighty stump]

If talking counters

I mean sure

[dapper crag]

Why not using Lando then

[smoky hawk]

I'm planning to try annihilape

With whimsy

Lando won't OHKO the avg incin with its standard items

Even if it is not intimidated

[dapper crag]

Lando dodges the Intimidate with the special one + Sheer Force Life Orb stuff

Looks like a clean one shot from calc

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Incineroar: 203-242 (100.4 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(203, 205, 205, 211, 213, 213, 218, 221, 221, 226, 226, 229, 234, 234, 237, 242)

[craggy swan]

who actually runs sheer force lando

[dapper crag]

I've used it today in reg F

It was my reasoning that is positioned well into Intimidate rise + it sort of deletes Incin

[craggy swan]

thats just you tho

[dapper crag]

Yeah I speak for me

[mighty stump]

Lando-I has seen an increase in use in Reg E for a while now.

[dapper crag]

Not a bad Pokemon at all tbh, I don't see what's wrong with using it. Got nice damage into Incin + Raging Bolt which are quite used in this early iteration of Reg F

[mighty stump]

Different from Lando-T

[dapper crag]

nice

[smoky hawk]

Well, that's true. Special lando could see a drastic rise in usage

[dapper crag]

I've seen it a fair amount on ladder

Not the only one who got the same idea it seems

It checks Raging Bolt Incin so well

They are really high usage rn

Unsure if doubling on offensive Tera or using defensive one, so far Ground Tera has been my go to

[mighty stump]

Defensive is better.

You don't necessarily need the extra Tera boost

[dapper crag]

Spam spread move go ham lol

I also want to check Raging Bolt AV

When meta settles down defensive is gonna be my reflex

Defensive I don't know what's best right now is my problem

Too much stuff being chaotic and unpredictible

[mighty stump]

They generally go Poison Tera to sit in front of mane to 2HKO with TW support

Reducing damage from Glide is also good

[dapper crag]

I know Poison from E, but is it worth in the fuckfest that F is right now ?

[smoky hawk]

Best tera for incin? I'm thinking grass

[dapper crag]

I've seen mix of Grass Flying Water

[mighty stump]

Grass/Water. Most likely it's going to be Grass

[keen karma]

is regigigas being legal a bug on showdown?

[mighty stump]

Honestly, wouldn't be surprised.

Not a box legend so I don't think they care

So I don't know

We don't know the full ruleset

[keen karma]

i mean like if its not banned its not like the worst

but i also expect to see it getting alot of play

[dapper crag]

wasn't it available with all regular legendaries in gen 8 ?

[keen karma]

i dont remember

[dapper crag]

it was legal during this phase of formts

it's not a box legendary. only box legendary that is regular in the rotation looks to be Suicune from memory

which would be the exception nice

more points for ma boi Suicune

[mighty stump]

Suicune isn't counted as a box legendary

[dapper crag]

Pokemon Crystal represents

[keen karma]

box legendaries are just mons with 680 bst right>?

[mighty stump]

Yeah not how that works unfortunately

[dapper crag]

it's the exception as I said

only one in the rotation that is a box legendary

[tiny gorge]

Would anyone be willing to help me make a competitive team? Well, relatively competitive. I was hoping to use lunala, solgaleo, cresellia, minior, origin palkia, and reuniclus for a space themed team. I'm pretty bad at making competitive movesets but I like to battle so any help would be greatly appreciated

[mighty stump]

3 of those Pokemon are restricted and im pretty sure you do not get access to Origin form in gen 9

[keen karma]

solgaleo lunala palkia arent legal

[keen karma]

you do

[pearl wind]

you can buy the orb for the origin form at the auction

[mighty stump]

Oh shit

Pog

Doesn't change that it's restricted

Probably

[tiny gorge]

Competitive esque

I'll do casual play if needed

[keen karma]

they made 2 seperate items for palkia

dialga and giratina

im about to start going into bo3 to steal some teams

[tiny gorge]

If mythical aren't restricted I could do a music theme team based around meloetta instead?

[dapper crag]

yo they buffed the lati twin move

[tiny gorge]

I just like to use fun teams rather than copy paste fluttermane and chien pao

[keen karma]

luster purge?

[silk lily]

Wait what if maushould used beatup on archaludon in doubles and made its defense stats

[dapper crag]

mist ball too

[mighty stump]

You really don't need to lol

[silk lily]

Oh really

[dapper crag]

they went from 70 to 95 BP

[silk lily]

Omg its tofu

[bold geode]

Is this some Stamina shit now

[silk lily]

Got too much stamina

would it be too powerul

[bold geode]

It's endurance is too much

[silk lily]

No ending

[dapper crag]

just realized that, more points for the lati twins

[silk lily]

Y

[bold geode]

Yeah no seeing as Stamina procs from every hit, Beat Up is way overkill

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you can just let your opponent naturally proc Stamina instead of doing it actively

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/95a4fa2014b59292 how do i make this team better

[bold geode]

Yeah
You know what that is Tofu

[mighty stump]

?

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[silk lily]

Stamina is cool tho

[bold geode]

Did it not post properly wtf

[mighty stump]

Confirmed Yotam's theory of Archaludon being a good Urshifu check

[bold geode]

Oh there it goes

[mighty stump]

No you're just not funny

[silk lily]

Ur so funny

[bold geode]

No it actually was just doing fuck shit for a moment

[mighty stump]

uhuh

[bold geode]

I swear ever since the last update, my Discord do the big fucky wucky

[keen karma]

tofu do you have any reccs?

[keen karma]

mobile or pc?

[bold geode]

Tofu do I share the AMAZING TEAM I fought a little while ago

[mighty stump]

Seems suitable for the chat

[bold geode]

Always mobile

[bold geode]

Lmao lemme

[mighty stump]

Im mid ladder, hold on

[keen karma]

you can change the layout back

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/24658fb025024106
Rate the team, it's fire

As in dumpster fire

[keen karma]

not bad

this is right up my alley

[mighty stump]

• Unsure if Suicune gets any sort of recovery but it probably wants that.
• I don't think you want triple Dark move on Kingambit. You usually pick between Kowtow and Assurance

[bold geode]

Shitter

[mighty stump]

Boom can probably still die to like Chi-Yu or something with that set

[bold geode]

Kowtow can potentially do 50% to Incin with SD

It's fuckin hilarious

[keen karma]

no recovery

[torpid heron]

Alright I can't sleep so 8m not gonna force myself to try. But I wanna tune an idea by yall that's prolly just a late night shit idea. I wanna make a grass/fire/water core out of just the doc pokemon

[keen karma]

but it has hh

[mighty stump]

Just the what Pokemon

[bold geode]

The doc Pokemon?

[pearl wind]

probably dlc

[mighty stump]

oh

DLC

[torpid heron]

DLC

sorry, it's really late

[bold geode]

No it's DOC trust
What FWG core is full of doctors

[mighty stump]

Whimsicott/Incin/Primarina

There you go

Have fun

[torpid heron]

Actual banger

[bold geode]

[torpid heron]

Full of pokemon I would enjoy using

[bold geode]

Yeah makes sense

[torpid heron]

Thank u tofu

[mighty stump]

Well

[keen karma]

whims has proven to be one of the hardest matchups for me with this team

you think suicune can work with whims

[torpid heron]

Yeah imma have nightmares

[bold geode]

Over Elmo

Good

[torpid heron]

Just a full team of support pokemon with healing moves

[bold geode]

Elmo is always watching

[torpid heron]

Uhoh

[bold geode]

ALWAYS
WATCHING

[torpid heron]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Anyways me go bed now cuz I'm tired

[torpid heron]

Gnnnn

[bold geode]

Goodnight

[torpid heron]

Imma actually work on that teak when I'm awake bc I'm just not rn, I just can't sleep

But thank u tofu bc I was having trouble over what the grass pokemon should be, and I can't beilive I forgot abt whimscott bc it's genuinely one if my favorites

[craggy swan]

lf competitive coaching

[hearty pollen]

Any swampert team suggestions? Still thinking how to use it and pair it with 😀

[queen agate]

Bruh I’m tired of waiting

Come here and lose

[summer shore]

@bold geode pokemon key

[woven zodiac]

Hwo good y’all reckon deoxys attack will be?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 260: Swampert

Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[mighty stump]

God this thing is so bad

[mighty stump]

You can probably use it to some degree as a balance/Trick Room mon but i probably wont expect much use out of it

[brave phoenix]

anyone have some funny/meme teams to try out?

[hearty pollen]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

agathia_21 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[finite vine]

Is Blaziken good in double battles?

Or only in single battles?

[craggy swan]

anyone?

[finite vine]

Also was thinking if Hydraple is good or can only work in TR teams

[rough maple]

Alcremie broken in this gen

That is my personal hot take

Deadly threat as a late game stored power sweeper in singles even against kingambit

Can also do funny Decorate + Helping Hand boosts iN VGC

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple is good

It’s usable outside of tr but it’s best in tr

[grim cipher]

Wym

[mighty stump]

I don’t offer 1-1 coaching without payment but otherwise im happy to provide the same service here

https://x.com/eeveon7/status/1736146211726356958?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Smogon Winter Scramble for Reg F

[dull haven]

[mighty stump]

Khoojii

[dull haven]

[dapper crag]

hello, i'm a newb at comp but i want to get into it

i've got troubes surrounding building my team

how do people make the diverse EV spreads?

i just go 252 252 4

[mighty stump]

It’s usually recommended to start with an established rental team as you can see how a team truly functions

[dapper crag]

oh okay

are there any Urshifu, Rillaboom and Incineroar teams out there?

that's my main core i want to focus on using

[mighty stump]

Please visit here #competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-1-how-to-make-simple-ev-spreads
https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-2-the-next-step-why-woul-you-want-a-more-complex-ev-spread
https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-3

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

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Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Feb 9, 2023, 2:21 AM

[dapper crag]

thanks

[pliant ivy]

anyone got competitive hydrapple for reference?

[mighty stump]

Incineroar can just replace H-Arcanine in most Reg E teams.

[dapper crag]

ah okay, that's useful

[mighty stump]

However keep in mind a Regulation F and the like are not out yet

[dapper crag]

i've heard that Incin is just a better Arcanine

[mighty stump]

Regulation F teams*

[mighty stump]

Its an alternative* since they do different things

[mighty stump]

So far the theorised sets are Assault Vest with Tera Steel/Water/Fire. You run Fickle Beam/Giga Drain or Energy Ball/Earth Power and Pollen Puff/Tera Blast if Steel

[dapper crag]

oh okay

[pliant ivy]

is it good to run it on 0 iv speed and quiet nature

[mighty stump]

If you plan in running it in TR

Yes

[pliant ivy]

tbf idk, his base speed is very low to begin with 😂

[dapper crag]

damn this is complicated

i don't understand anything

[mighty stump]

If we're speaking optimal then yes you'd want it that way

[mighty stump]

What do you need clarification with?

[dapper crag]

i don't know, i'm just a bit overwhelmed, lots to take in

[mighty stump]

Generally, you don't necessarily need complex EV spreads

[dapper crag]

okay, that's good

i typically just do 252 - 252 - 4

[mighty stump]

You can still find success with 252/252/4

Other generalist type spreads tend to look like

Gholdengo
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
Modest Nature

As an example, this Gholdengo outspeeds Choice Scarf'd base 100 Spe Pokemon like Chi-Yu

in Tailwind

Then you fully maximise its offense

and put the leftovers in HP for general bulk

Its a singular threshold type EV-spread

[dapper crag]

oh i see, so you focus around something you want to go around-

[mighty stump]

Yes

[dapper crag]

sort of like if i want to outspeed a certain pokemon with a certain pokemon- i build that EV for that usage

[mighty stump]

Either you want to outspeed something under certain conditions, or you want to live an important attack

[mighty stump]

Yes

[dapper crag]

ah okay

[mighty stump]

In the simplest sense, like that

[dapper crag]

so it's basically just like adapting for the meta

[mighty stump]

If you want, my teams I display in my blog have breakdowns of what calcs look like

[dapper crag]

or around, rather

[pliant ivy]

anw thanks for the info man

[mighty stump]

Yes

[gentle crag]

lavenza21 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

No problem

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/PengWIN This is my most recent team.

[dapper crag]

oooh

[mighty stump]

It has full explanations regarding the calculations

So you can get an idea of what goes into complex spreads

and that Rillaboom and H-Arcanine are more "generalist"

or single-threshold type

Roaring Moon too

[dapper crag]

Thanks, i'll read this!

[mighty stump]

If you need anymore explanations, you're welcome to ask.

[dapper crag]

👍

thanks for the great service, you're doin wonders

[mighty stump]

For other teams, I also recommend CybertronVGC as a youtube channel if you prefer to watch something

He showcases teams and also plays games with them

[dapper crag]

oooh i'll def check him out

is a good way to learn, just to watch his Reg-E matches?

like learn what kind of pokemon are active, how to go around them etc.

[mighty stump]

Best way to learn any game is to just run into matches, but watching matches actively and seeing his decision making is useful

I also recommend today there is the San-Antonio VGC regional being streamed

Where top players are going to play with commentary

[dapper crag]

i have tried to go on PokemonShowdown before, but I got smoked 😅

[dapper crag]

Oooh, is it on twitch?

[mighty stump]

Just don't beat yourself up too hard about losing. VGC is a very knowledge-gated hobby. A lot to learn

[mighty stump]

Yes, under the Pokemon official channel

[dapper crag]

is it live rn?

[mighty stump]

Not right now, but they are rebroadcasting Day 1

[cyan smelt]

wait i just realised okidogi is the perfect incin check

[mighty stump]

Just run Ape

Can't be Faked Out as a bonus

Unless you do wanna run Okidogi, it does work.

[cyan smelt]

but can be faked out

[dapper crag]

Okidogi and Incineroar woudl be best pals

if it wasn't a battle

[knotty mirage]

Okdogi can still be parting shot so yeah ape is probably better

[cyan smelt]

wait but okidogi gets upper hand

[mighty stump]

It does indeed

You'll probably run it on AV sets

[cyan smelt]

it can still get parting shotted though

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/minior.gif

[mighty stump]

How the fuck do I tell

God

Okay

[cyan smelt]

you gotta get it to half health when shields down activates

[mighty stump]

then it explodes

ok

[cyan smelt]

skill swap damp

[dapper crag]

Ability: Shields Down

If this Pokemon is a Minior, it changes to its Core forme if it has 1/2 or less of its maximum HP, and changes to Meteor Form if it has more than 1/2 its maximum HP. This check is done on switch-in and at the end of each turn. While in its Meteor Form, it cannot become affected by a non-volatile status condition or Yawn.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[cyan smelt]

oh wait idk if it can be skill swapped

you're better off just breeding minior tbh

[mighty stump]

Okay but that's lame

I will suffer later

First, BP

[cyan smelt]

yeah you can't skill swap shields down so you'd need a pokemon with damp and get it to half health

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/sceptile.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/sceptile.gif

[bold geode]

Winton

[summer shore]

Monk

[bold geode]

Shir

[mighty stump]

Orihs

[bold geode]

Ufot

[summer shore]

tOUf

[mighty stump]

no tOUf

hes dead

ShirOU

[summer shore]

tOUf

[mighty stump]

im shiny hunting Minior

[karmic temple]

I’ll send prayers for you tofu

[summer shore]

tOUf

[rancid delta]

Fun fact, bruxish has dazzling that prevents priority moves

I thought gira was the only one that shut down priority lol

[mighty stump]

You also forgot Tsareena

[rancid delta]

Eh tsareena as well!?

[mighty stump]

and by technicality, Indeedee

Yes

[rancid delta]

Ah yeah psychic terrain ability

Cool didn’t know tsareena did as well

[cyan smelt]

i keep running into shitty tactics on the in-game ladder

[bold geode]

You didn't see that one team I fought last night lol

[nocturne holly]

simple beam dozo

is annoying as hell

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/120/100/120/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Giratina-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[cyan smelt]

might be time to bring back something with unaware

[dapper crag]

Ability: Damp

While this Pokemon is active, Explosion, Mind Blown, Misty Explosion, Self-Destruct, and the Aftermath Ability are prevented from having an effect.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[autumn vault]

Bans:happen (in an alternate universe because its not happening in our's)
Hydreigon:

[dull ibex]

hello

[cyan smelt]

buy the dlc

[nocturne holly]

lmao

Fr

[dull ibex]

buy me a copy or shut up about it please

[cyan smelt]

why would i do that

[dull ibex]

then shut up, the joke isnt funny

[cyan smelt]

yes it is

[dapper crag]

Ability: Simple

When one of this Pokemon's stat stages is raised or lowered, the amount is doubled.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[dull ibex]

its not funny if the other person isnt laughing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[dull ibex]

anyways I just need to farm shards at some point and we gucci

im stuck between water tera and ghost tera for incin

[cyan smelt]

dlc

[dull ibex]

ok

one more time please stop

[summer shore]

Whats goinng on folks

[mighty stump]

Shiro we should be toxic

[dull ibex]

vc?

[mighty stump]

Calling my partner

[dull ibex]

the return of toxic tofu?

[mighty stump]

He only comes out slightly more often now

[dull ibex]

[nocturne holly]

Simple beam dozo strats

can go to hell

[cyan smelt]

use unaware or topsy-turvy

or redirect with amoonguss or indeedee

[nocturne holly]

no

[dapper crag]

Move: Simple Beam

Causes the target's Ability to become Simple. Fails if the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Hadron Engine, Ice Face, Multitype, Orichalcum Pulse, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Simple, Stance Change, Truant, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[summer shore]

I'm in Sydney rn so its the perfect storm

[mighty stump]

Lmaooo

[cyan smelt]

why doesn't sydney get regionals?

[bold geode]

Don't be in a bathroom stall

Mfer toxic stall I stg

[rancid delta]

Is iron boulder or iron crown any good for competitive?

[nocturne holly]

not funny

0/10

[mighty stump]

@bold geode BBQ

[dull haven]

I need to unlock those evebtually ;-;

[nocturne holly]

real

I only got my first 3k 😭

[dull ibex]

maybe Whim+flutterfish with ghold, wake and incin?

potential team

[nocturne holly]

real

[willow vault]

Can confirm fish is really gods rn, in my experience

[mighty stump]

Im like in a drought of BP

[nocturne holly]

L

[abstract gyro]

how much evs do the feathers give?

[mighty stump]

1

[chrome knot]

me at 23k

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/42e86389dc59b60c this is what I’m cooking with

[nocturne holly]

go get a fucking life bruh

I just got my first 3k

[chrome knot]

sorry I enjoy spending time with my friends.

[nocturne holly]

Haven’t even beat the dlc yet

[nocturne holly]

you should be sorry

[karmic temple]

Girl how lmfaooo I haven’t even cracked 1k yet

[chrome knot]

i play with my friends and we do quest

[karmic temple]

Friends ??? What are those

[willow vault]

I got to 3k, now just another 9k to go

[karmic temple]

I say as my friend has been begging me to do bbqs and help him finish his dex 😭

[nocturne holly]

FR

[mighty stump]

Where was my invite tf

[chrome knot]

I pinged you 4239805237985 times actually

[mighty stump]

Okay well

That wasnt enough

[fleet quarry]

Can someone help me with an EV spread for Incineroar? I don't have a specific team for it yet, just plan to run it with Urshifu and Tornadus

[mighty stump]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 156 Def / 68 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off

I publically released this one recently but

• It lives Mystic Water 252 Jolly Shifu Surging Strikes
• Timid 252 Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast

@fleet quarry

[atomic star]

What do we think about of hisuiun goodra?

[mighty stump]

A worse Archaludon

[fleet quarry]

This is perfect I was actually looking for something that lived those two! Thank you

Also do you think Knock Off is replaceable for Helping Hand?

[mighty stump]

I mean, sure

[atomic star]

Does anyone here do single battles?

[fleet quarry]

I see ty

[atomic star]

Ye

[mighty stump]

I personally don't like just having single Fire STAB but there is justifiable reasoning to run Helping Hand

[tribal garnet]

I need a good EV spread for Hydrapple? I want it to run AV. Can anyone help please

[mighty stump]

Sometimes I'd prefer to just click a double-up into a slot so I can at least cover.

[atomic star]

Bro I found got a Pokémon with a LOT of badges 💀

I was trading

[kindred cypress]

Is it a shiny legendary?

[dull ibex]

tofu incin is goated

I lived surging strike

[atomic star]

It’s a flipping dlc

[atomic star]

💀💀💀💀

[chrome knot]

ok well wanna get a group and play rn

[kindred cypress]

Just making sure it ain’t a hacked mon

[mighty stump]

yes, iab c: I got random shiny meowstic

[atomic star]

Ye Ik

[mighty stump]

And also making this random Hydrapple set

[atomic star]

It’s real

[dull ibex]

👀

[atomic star]

Gtg bye 👋

[mighty stump]

I mean

To be honest

[tribal garnet]

Please!

[dapper crag]

Move: Lava Plume

Has a 30% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[chrome knot]

what the fuck.

[amber edge]

Anyone got a nice moveset/nature for sceptile ? 🙂

[chrome knot]

playing a raid for candy and I just saw someones bitter blade get disabled then he clicked lava plume

[mighty stump]

Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 244 SpA / 12 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Fickle Beam
• Energy Ball
• Earth Power
• Tera Blast

Something like that? It lives Choice Specs Overheat

You're almost alwayhs clicking Tera in front of Flutter anyways

[tribal garnet]

Ooohh yes! That seems good! Appreciate you

Wish there was a way to lower IVs on a pokemon to 0. Some kind of rusted bottle cap or something

[mighty stump]

Sceptile

• Leaf Storm
• Dragon Pulse
• Vacuum Wave
• Protect

Probably something like this if you actually want to use it's stronger base stat

[tribal garnet]

Hey Tofu I got another Pokemon I would like EV spreadsheet on

[amber edge]

Timid nature?

[mighty stump]

Timid

[tribal garnet]

How about Contrary Stellar type Serperior? Leaf storm and tera blast on it. But would it just be good to max HP and speed or would something else be better?

[mighty stump]

I would be fairly unsure on it but I wouldnt be running Stellar Type.

For Grass types you can either go something like Water/Steel/Fire

You probably have to be max speed max SpA cause you don't have great SpA

Base 75 is really unfortunate

[tribal garnet]

Oh thought the stellar type tera blast (lowering sp.atk and atk) help since it was a Contrary ability user

[mighty stump]

oh Tera Blast

Yeah that's fine, but you'd be clicking Leaf Storm too

Honestly id prefer some form of defensive tera to give you staying power to actually ramp up

Rather than also clicking Tera Stellar Blast

[tribal garnet]

Hmm yeah . Alright thanks! But I definitely will be making that Hydrapple set since I needed one and didn't know what to use

[polar canyon]

I think tera blast serperior would be better as a singles thing

To break opposing defensive teras no matter the type

Without leaving yourself open to the other pokemon

[karmic temple]

Time to farm bbqs

[fallen rivet]

https://pokepast.es/12aa583dc40f013b how does this look? Any adjustments I should make?

[dull ibex]

based

[sage moat]

Anyone got a hydrapple set yet?

[silk stream]

What sort sets would people run on walking wake? I know its not available in the current reg, but it may be next season

[dull ibex]

reg f supposedly

im running 252 252 4 life orb

[chrome knot]

rain team..?

[willow vault]

How would someone use Primarina as a question?

[fallen rivet]

Drago was using one I think. I’d ask him

[mighty stump]

Drago's asleep

[willow vault]

Damn

[fallen rivet]

Oh nvm

[mighty stump]

AV, Life Orb

[willow vault]

Thanks

Not throat spray?

[mighty stump]

Also viable

[willow vault]

Alright I will try to cook and I’ll probably burn the kitchen

[fallen rivet]

Dw, I’ve burnt down several cafeterias so far

[willow vault]

But did you get arrest for mass arson? Me neither

[fallen rivet]

My lawyer has advised me not to answer that question

[willow vault]

Nice

I wish I had a lawyer

[fallen rivet]

Dern

[willow vault]

Good to know

[dull ibex]

hello again

team is okay so far

[atomic star]

Does anyone know where to fight in the game with high lvl bots?

Without online

[polar canyon]

I thought the point of archaludon rain was that you use electro shot

I see why you'd not do it

Wait I think they just forgot to change the name of the team

Because it's archaludon rain and there's no rain

[mighty stump]

#sv_discussion

Archaludon's stat gap between HP and SpDef isnt large enough to warrant prioritising SpDef investment first

It's not like Iron Hands

[nocturne holly]

so is av good on it

[mighty stump]

Yeah

I just don't run a fast version on it

Maximises the bulk cause im trying to make use of it as an Urshifu check

So i'd want HP investment first and foremost

[polar canyon]

Just realized it's a pseudo legendary

That's pretty cool for a new evolution

Is venusaur still good for sun?

[fallen rivet]

Yes this is accurate 💀

[fallen rivet]

I would say so

[fallen rivet]

Ignore the name of it sorry

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/5c71feeaf9a0ea18

[nocturne holly]

Whims wants sash

sash tera dark

or you could do like Tera ghost and add an extra move on top of protect

[dull ibex]

cloak is comfy

tera dark isnt a bad idea though

[scarlet zephyr]

What is the best moveset for a special attacking farigiraf

[next stump]

double or single battles?

[scarlet zephyr]

Singles

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 981: Farigiraf

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Cud Chew, Armor Tail, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/90/70/110/70/60

Total

520

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[scarlet zephyr]

What's the best moveset for it tho

Cause Ik I want it on the team but idk what I want it for

[summer shore]

Is this for showdown or in game

[scarlet zephyr]

In game

[summer shore]

Like BSS?

[scarlet zephyr]

Huh

What's bss

[summer shore]

Battle Stadium Singles

[dull ibex]

Battle Stadium Singles the in game ranked ladder

[scarlet zephyr]

Oh idrk

[dull ibex]

if this is for dlc anything works

[summer shore]

So you're just using the mon

[scarlet zephyr]

Yeah

[summer shore]

^

[dull ibex]

are you doing pve or pvp

there is no point optimizing for the pve trainers

[scarlet zephyr]

Oh

[dull ibex]

their ai is not nearly good enough to pose a threat imo

[scarlet zephyr]

Ok thx

[dull ibex]

(I dont even think radicial red and stuff needs comp level optimization tbh)

[willow vault]

Will say Primarina is fun to use

[smoky hawk]

It has competition from water urshifu but it could find a home on TR teams

Liquid voice hyper voice is its best move

[fallen rivet]

I might try a rain team with both urshi and primarina

[autumn vault]

With pelipper or politoed

[cyan smelt]

are the other regis or SoJ gonna be any good

[fallen rivet]

Oof I need 2 million poke dollars to fully ev this team lul

Or exceptional ogre luck

[cyan smelt]

item printer prints mad items

[fallen rivet]

Also true 😳

[mighty stump]

BB Dex completed

[chrome knot]

took you long enough

[tired sage]

aye congrats!

[autumn vault]

congrats but this channel is not related to base game, its comp but you can type it in on #indigo_disk-ussion

[nocturne holly]

What are the shiny chances if I have the charm and the sandwich

[gentle crag]

@autumn vault has been warned for: mini modding since yesterday

[fallen rivet]

1/512, but I could be wrong

[chrome knot]

LOL

[nocturne holly]

1/683

[dapper crag]

not it's 1/512 if you all the things right

[nocturne holly]

I’m gonna get this fucking litten

[dapper crag]

Including killing 60 of them in the outbreak

[nocturne holly]

nope
just charm and sparkling power 3 is 683

Yea I haven’t done the outbreak

I said “charm and outbreak”

[dapper crag]

if you don't farm the outbreak then ya, but odds are not useful if you don't actively seek it amirite

[nocturne holly]

killing 60 bring sit to 512

[autumn vault]

atleast i congratulated 🪵tofu

[cyan smelt]

bit of a backhanded compliment

[nocturne holly]

-calc 683/12

[gentle crag]

Result: 56.916667

[nocturne holly]

ok so that’s not bad
Around 56 picnic resets

-calc 683/15

[gentle crag]

Result: 45.533333

[nocturne holly]

Around 45 if I get 15 everytime

[autumn vault]

this is A COMP channel

but yes i do agree

[cyan smelt]

doesn't mean people can't talk about other stuff

[autumn vault]

let me see the pinned comment again

just in case of any mention and nope no mention about no talking about no competitive stuff

[dapper crag]

what about you don't start a war over Tofu being happy about stuff they did

[nocturne holly]

so around 25 seconds for a picnic reset

-calc 45*25

[gentle crag]

Result: 1125.000000

[nocturne holly]

-calc 1125/60

[gentle crag]

Result: 18.750000

[chrome knot]

this is like the one chill channel

[nocturne holly]

so around 18 minutes

[chrome knot]

keep it that way, dont be a weirdo

[autumn vault]

i didnt mean to be offensive, and i do apologize if i did offend him

[nocturne holly]

BUT IM ALMOST DONE WITH THIS SANDWICH AND NO FUCKING SHINY LITTEN

[tired sage]

sending you some shiny luck now xD

[chrome knot]

lmao i found a shiny litten 10s before the start of r1 of a pc

[dapper crag]

this channel gets heated every now and then

[nocturne holly]

thank you

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to mumu_of_the_ecosystem

[nocturne holly]

best rep ever

[tired sage]

lmao xD

[chrome knot]

mumumumumuumumu

[tired sage]

emmie!!!

[chrome knot]

haaaiiiii

[autumn vault]

hey 🪵tofu, sorry about what i said earlier, completing a pokedex is an amazing accomplishment

and sorry if i offended you

[dull haven]

@autumn vault People can talk about other stuff in this channel, however keep in mind that you're not staff and it's not your job to attempt to enforce the rules here. The channels themselves are communities inside of the commity and if you ever feel someone is out of line in the channel leave it to the Comp Helpers to handle it or @ a Moderator if it requires us stepping in. But yeah, don't mini-mod here please

[chrome knot]

i think it was 2x funny bc tofu IS the comp helper

[autumn vault]

i thought this was only about comp, but i guess there is no rules about it, i am sorry

[cyan smelt]

i'm pissed, just lost to a double protect

[autumn vault]

oof, your opponent was so lucky, its a 1/3 chance of it happening

[dull haven]

I understand that. But all the channels are sub-sects of the community and off-topic chatter happens in almost every single one

[tired sage]

henlo!
im just uh.. slowly climbing ladder in showdown with a team that doesnt synergize xD

[cyan smelt]

i think it's bugged because they terad ogerpon after spiky shielding and were able to use spiky shield again

[willow vault]

I get it man I got triple crit and flinched by rock slide Landorus, so I’m taking a break for a few hours

[fallen rivet]

What is it 👀

[dull ibex]

ty mods 🙏

[fallen rivet]

Mods (very cool)

[tired sage]

https://pokepast.es/496c740948a15194
the shifu doesnt fit in at all xD

[fallen rivet]

Still very cool!

[dull haven]

I'm just a Khuja and Tofu ish my son, lol

[willow vault]

Damn, that’s crazy

What’s a khuja?

[dull haven]

Me lol

[willow vault]

Oh

I feel dumb lmao

[dapper crag]

that's not that lucky

[dull ibex]

THATS CRAZY

[nocturne holly]

uhh first glance shifu looks aight for a fast mode
I think empoleon could be switched tho

[tired sage]

a wild Khuja has appeared!

[autumn vault]

it is a bit

[chrome knot]

why doesnt indeedee also have tr

[dapper crag]

no 1/3 odds is an actual play in many circumstances

[nocturne holly]

yea slap tr on Deedee

[tired sage]

oh it doesnt xD
i didnt even notice that

[chrome knot]

[nocturne holly]

No sp atk investment on hydrapple is kinda weird
Also protect over pollen puff

[dull ibex]

we need a pokemon game like animal crossing, that is all.

[willow vault]

That would be funny

[nocturne holly]

IMO Tera fairy over ghost on incin

[autumn vault]

i wanted to build a offense/support hydrapple but your comment gave me an idea

[nocturne holly]

yea I’m basically that guy

[tired sage]

eh...?

[nocturne holly]

?

[tired sage]

i mean hydrapple is kinda just there to support and dish damage at the same time xD

[nocturne holly]

the only thing it’s doing is pollen puff

[tired sage]

yeah...

[nocturne holly]

Support wise

[tired sage]

hey it helped me win a what could have potentially been a life orb self ko xD

[nocturne holly]

hydrapple can support more than that if you want it to be support oriented
imo offensive hydrapple looks better on this
More tr sweepers

Really your only tr sweeper as of now is hat

[tired sage]

either way its a work in progress...
but uh...
that shifu just doesnt fit at all

[dapper crag]

Really Shifu tend to work on anything lol

[dull haven]

[nocturne holly]

Sandwich #1 done and no shiny litten 😭

[willow vault]

I really don’t like Archaludon, it made my original ideas useless and now I can beat it but I have to grind for a Thundurus I don’t have and a popplio which will take ages to get to 3000 more bp

[nocturne holly]

Archaludon is kinda carrying my team lol

It fucking puts in WORK

[tired sage]

[dapper crag]

Is stellar tera even good

[nocturne holly]

IMO it’s not really

[willow vault]

Thundurus will sunny day is so useful, it also really helps into Urshifu + Tornadus

[nocturne holly]

I think it’ll only be used on things like Porygon z
although SE damage against anything terad will be great

[autumn vault]

it can use breaking swipe if there is no intimidate pokemon but its physical and hydrapple is a sp. attacker

[craggy swan]

Alright

[dapper crag]

Meloetta no longer rare know we're to get it so farming it is easy

[autumn vault]

agree, atleast its not locked behind an event back in like gen 5

[dapper crag]

Couple of good coaches out there if you need recommendations, I took some lessons with Justin Tang and it transformed my playstyle. I ended up performing and getting good insights into what I should look for in order to improve.

[tired sage]

im kinda mad that it was melo and not diancie...
||imagine walking down into the bottom of AZ and finding a wild diancie... like they already put carbink down there...||

[dapper crag]

Ya I think there were only 5 events this thing cost me arecus

Farming other arecus was pain

[autumn vault]

gen 4 mythicals arent locked behind an event either

[dapper crag]

Lunala with tera is busted

Because it's sp attack is 415

And it's move will all ways one shot

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sulley-monsters-inc-james-sullivan-shocked-gif-15802869

[tired sage]

oh i guess luna sheds its 4x weakness when you tera

[autumn vault]

atleast

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

It turns ghost

[tired sage]

wait what-
415?

[dapper crag]

Special attack

[tired sage]

oh its after EV and level up training

[dapper crag]

Yep

I think it full evs

But not sure let me check

Speaking of this, I should def get some more coaching in 2024

But it busted because it m9ve is ghost Special attack

So combined with tera it's basically a nuker

It's speed I haven't put in yet

So it own my has sp attack maxed

[tired sage]

shifu says hello xD

its pretty frail physically but its def a nuker...

[cyan smelt]

does it learn e-force now

[dapper crag]

It's healtg is 400

[dapper crag]

Shifu is actually pretty tanky on the physical side

[next stump]

are these level 100 stats

[dapper crag]

100 base hp and defense is a pretty good amount of bulk

[tired sage]

no luna is fragile af in its physical side

[dapper crag]

thuoght you were talking about shifu

[dapper crag]

Yes

[tired sage]

oh i was commenting on luna being frail physically with the context that shifu would prop kill luna

[dapper crag]

It only has evs or ivs up in sp but not speed yet

[fallen rivet]

Lunaladon about to go crazy this gen

[amber patrol]

What should I run on flygon? I was thinking 252 atk and spd, dragon dance, dragon claw, a ground move, and a coverage move

[dapper crag]

It's health is what it is without 252 health states

It will all ways be 400

It only in 252 sp attack

[tired sage]

yeah thats uh... level 100 stats...

[dapper crag]

Yeah

I don't know what it will be at maxed evs speed

[next stump]

VGC?

[amber patrol]

Doubles yeah

Same team as that metagross

[next stump]

i think it's a really tough pokemon to use

but if you're dead set on it, then yeah probably 252ATK/SPE with like EQ/Dragon STAB/coverage move or D Dance/protect

[autumn vault]

would metagross be viable in Reg F? i have a shiny max iv's/ev's with trained moveset and items and i want to use it

it has psychic fangs as a buff and bullet punch/hard press as insane damage

[amber patrol]

Thanks, should I run life orb as the item?

[gentle crag]

lucy30252 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[nocturne holly]

It fucking worked
Got the shiny bastard

[cyan smelt]

which shiny

[nocturne holly]

litten

[cyan smelt]

pog

[polar canyon]

Do they get outbreaks or were you just hunting in the wild

[cyan smelt]

all the starters can have outbreaks

[nocturne holly]

https://youtu.be/IeYiGdoePuA?si=Du8N2_H6NM8SPDox

[polar canyon]

That's pretty crazy

[nocturne holly]

that video is actually cracked

[tired sage]

congrats!!!

[polar canyon]

Shiny starters are easier than ever now then

[nocturne holly]

I did 100+ resets and couldn’t get the outbreak

[polar canyon]

Getting outbreaks that you want is the hardest part tbh

[nocturne holly]

SHIT
I forgot to change the date back
It says that I caught my litten in the future

[autumn vault]

panfro is a chad

[mighty stump]

@next stump ARE YOU WATCHING THIS

[amber patrol]

Call it doc

[tired sage]

a back to the future litten xD

[nocturne holly]

why

oh nvm LOL

[amber patrol]

[autumn vault]

hey tofu, so i am sorry of what i said to you earlier, i thought this channel was for comp only but someone else told me it wasnt just comp, besides completing a pokedex is no joke and deserves a lot of respect

[dapper crag]

completing the dex in itself isn't too too hard

[amber patrol]

I need money but im too lazy to grind the academy ace tournament again aaaah

[autumn vault]

but its not easy, i have like 300 pokemon in the normal dex, 156 in kitakami and 116 in BB, i want 200 registered for the paradoxes

i gave up later

[cyan smelt]

i'm obsessed with the item printer

[tired sage]

you can always maunally train EVs

[tired sage]

i wonder why...
its gambling xD

[cyan smelt]

gacha

[dull haven]

I'll eventually get through the DLC lol

[autumn vault]

less risky gambling you meant

[cyan smelt]

so far i've gotten a beast ball, a safari ball and a heavy ball

[dull haven]

I hear it's odds are better than what the cram-o-matic was for the apris

[cyan smelt]

yeah you just need to get pokeball lotto

[chrome knot]

yes

[polar canyon]

Item printer is too good

[chrome knot]

its an apriball dispenser its so fun

[cyan smelt]

heaps of other useful items too

[polar canyon]

I already got 2 beast balls within like 10 rolls after getting the second tier

[cyan smelt]

evolution items, treasure, ev items

[dull haven]

Nice

[cyan smelt]

battle items

[fallen rivet]

Man I love Archaludon

[cyan smelt]

i think i want to use okidogi in reg f for guard dog + upper hand

[autumn vault]

i want to use metagross because its METAgross

[karmic temple]

More like it’ll be gross in the meta

🤭🤭🤭

[nocturne holly]

Wait when I get my Mon out of the ball how do I make it stop moving
I need some pictures with my shiny incin and metagross lol

[autumn vault]

you did my boi dirty like that

[cyan smelt]

i think you press in on the left stick

[autumn vault]

press the left stick

[karmic temple]

Justin’s regidrago went crazy

[chrome knot]

double detect got me SLEEPING

[errant shale]

what’s a good way to design a team that’ll be good?

[tired sage]

i just saw that...

[chrome knot]

riley deserves that way more as compensation for even having to play a shitty team like that

[fallen rivet]

Study the meta and make variations off of that imo. I’m also only ultra ball so this may not accurate

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/7fe38440d1aad35d is this good? first time i have ever wanted to get into competitive pokemon ( urshifu is supposed to be tera water)

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/71e45eb68f0fc2a7

[errant shale]

and where do i study the meta?

[fallen rivet]

Check vgc streams, watch relevant poketubers, talk to the experts in this channel

But the most important thing is practice imo

[nocturne holly]

Are you new to vgc?

[errant shale]

yes

[nocturne holly]

if so I recommend starting with rentals
They give you a great understanding of game sense and basics
Then you can get more into teambuilding

#rental_teams has tons of good community made rentals

[errant shale]

k

[autumn vault]

also competitive pokemon is REALLY complex so i recommend to learn about it

i can say it from experience

[next stump]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[errant shale]

ill be sure the check the links once i get home

thx

[craggy swan]

life orb or choice specs on archuladon?

[dull ibex]

anyone down for a vc?

[mighty stump]

Life Orb if you really wanna go offensive

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1186028319284674602

[bold geode]

Why would I ever

[dull ibex]

then don't shrug

[bold geode]

I'm actually working so I can't else I would

[dapper crag]

Playing games is a cold but realistic way to learn what ends up working (or doesn't)

[autumn vault]

assault vest, but seriously life orb but assault vest best item or archaludon

[cyan smelt]

is porygon 2 gonna be any good

[dapper crag]

With Eviolite is definitely has merits

[autumn vault]

what is a good moveset for a support/offense hydrapplin? Rn i have
protect
fickle beam
energy ball
syrup bomb

[cyan smelt]

fickle beam, pollen puff

[autumn vault]

any more changes? I am so confused with its moveset for days now but thanks for that

[cyan smelt]

earth power

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[cyan smelt]

steel types wall you without earth power

[autumn vault]

it also has
supersweet syrup as its ability
tera steel
sitrus berry

[cyan smelt]

needs regenerator

[autumn vault]

it has regenerator?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[autumn vault]

ok

the rest are fine right

[cyan smelt]

yeah you want protect

[autumn vault]

ok so i have protect fickle beam (later) pollen puff earth power and syrup bomb

[cyan smelt]

that's 5 moves

get rid of syrup bomb

[autumn vault]

that is what i was thinking anyways

thanks for helping @cyan smelt

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1702843633:R>.

[cyan smelt]

yw

hit up tofu or dillon for evs

[autumn vault]

ik what ev's i want, max sp. defense high sp. attack and hp

[fallen rivet]

Can confirm (beat up whimsy is gimmicky)

[wispy spade]

For smeargle, i'm thinking spore, lunar blessing, fake out, gouging fire. Any expert opinions?

[worn slate]

If im trying to ev train a support pokemon with low defenses and hp should I got 252 on each defense or 252 hp then 126 in both defenses?

Or do both builds offer the same amount of bulk?

[fallen rivet]

Depends on what you’re building against. What mon is it?

[worn slate]

it’s my fav ik it’s not meta but it’s Meowstic Male

[fallen rivet]

Aw nice :3

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/meowstic.gif

[wispy spade]

Cute

[fallen rivet]

If you’re using prankster then max/max should be ok. But I’m also only ultra ball ranked so my advice may not be the best compared to the experts here per se

[worn slate]

So just max both defenses?

[fallen rivet]

Max hp and defense imo with calm nature. Tofu or Dillan may have better spreads though

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/37aeb90c03577133

May I please get a suggestion for a final Pokemon?

[wispy spade]

Something grass maybe?

[fallen rivet]

Amoongus is usually never a bad choice

[worn slate]

Rillaboom maybe

[wispy spade]

You need a spore answer thanks to smeargle

[feral ledge]

I was thinking Rillaboom two fakeouts is never a bad way to go

[wispy spade]

Sounds good

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/d6aa8030f694178b

I’m just wondering if I should take body press off of Metagross and use Zen Headbutt or Psychic Fangs? A base 130 defense is really good and can hit hard even with no EV investments…

[autumn vault]

what is a better rain setter? i am building a team for reg F and i am conflicted between politoed and pelipper, i plan to use archaludon and hydrapple, but which one for the rain team?

[next stump]

Pelipper is usually better for its ability to hit amoonguss and rillaboom

[autumn vault]

ok, but does politoed have any advantages?

[cinder heron]

any good suicune cores?

[next stump]

poli is bulkier, doesnt have the weaknesses of flying, gets access to perish song

[whole fog]

So, uh, thoughts on Feraligatr? Back to RU we go?

[autumn vault]

well, looks like i will go politoed, i have a flying type in mind to counter those threats

[knotty egret]

whats the best deoxys form for competitive?

[next stump]

if you're playing in game, it's never legal

[knotty egret]

still, even if its just on my general team

[next stump]

for a playthrough team just use whichever one you like

[dull ibex]

in game isnt competitive

[knotty egret]

still like to have good sets

[dull ibex]

its not worth optimizing you can use anything in game, this chat focuses on comp.

[knotty egret]

ill prob just go attack

[dull ibex]

that being said idk check sets from the mythical format?

[knotty egret]

k

[dull ibex]

incorrect

[autumn vault]

attack for offense and defense for support

[dull ibex]

we did get a mythicals format

[next stump]

the for fun format at the end of SW/SH was barely a thing

[cyan smelt]

@dull ibex if you ever need tera types changed hit me up and i can help out, i've got tons of shards

[next stump]

but yes, technically "never" was wrong

[dull ibex]

its still worth mentioning

[cyan smelt]

or if you need mons

[dull ibex]

I very much do alot

[next stump]

it's been legal for 3 months out of its years and years of existence

[autumn vault]

if we ever get a mythicals format its going to be at the end of sv's lifespan before replacing it with another game

[dull ibex]

we will for sure get another and it will for sure be inbetween games

[cyan smelt]

it was never used at any tournaments though

[dull ibex]

and it never will 🙂

[smoky hawk]

NPC in game just did helping hand spiky shield. New meta, I tell you

[dull ibex]

I think they dont legalize mythicals because of distruption tbh

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/9b33e5a7ec1851a2 what do you guys think of this?

[dull ibex]

they are so rare its not worth having them in comp

[molten oasis]

Ik it’s early but I’d still like thoughts

[tired sage]

:0
gapdos

[wooden igloo]

How good is this Ampharos build, special attacker:
Nature: Modest (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 4 Spe
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Water
Held Item: Leftovers
Moveset:
• Thunderbolt
• Focus Blast
• Tera Blast
• Thunder Wave

[versed linden]

Should've gotten Wave Crash or something...

[raw breach]

whats the best build for hydrapple with fickle beam

[whole fog]

Arceus willing I will make the gatr work

[nocturne holly]

bo3?

[molten oasis]

:/

Sure

[bronze niche]

is hydro beam a good coverage move on ||hydrapple|| <- indigo disk spoiler for those wondering

[nocturne holly]

what does this mean

[molten oasis]

Idk yet

[nocturne holly]

showdown user?

[molten oasis]

DrayDrago

[cyan smelt]

getting so many metal alloys, i feel like the game wants me to use archaludon

[nocturne holly]

sent

[versed linden]

Trying my best too lmao

[keen karma]

I just won a game i thought was unwinnable