lore-discussion-spoilers

[robust flare]

Idk if spirits eat like that. I thought they just consumed flame or something

[wind sluice]

They aren’t like skykids tho. We also see pleading parent cooking crabs so idk 😭

[robust flare]

I wonder why the krill aren't swimming around now

[south badger]

yeah, it seems like they weren’t intentionally looking for these ruins, more like this is where they ended up and the lore in the ruins is possibly more for us players to discover as we do the quests

[wind sluice]

also I know they are pretty light crumbs of info but the TS hints often mention foods a spirit likes or dislikes

[robust flare]

Oh, I don't remember that...I'll have to check it today

[wind sluice]

Including the elders*

[south badger]

oh right right, there’s crabs on the bonfire still !

[wind sluice]

Yep

[south badger]

poor crabs :(

[robust flare]

I have to ask it. How do they eat without mouths 😗

[wind sluice]

ppl gotta eat 🥱

They probably have mouths, I always assumed that the lack of mouths is just for the game’s art style or to keep it simple/running smoothly

[robust flare]

Could be. I thought they might consume flame from the creatures. Crack them open, flame goes in the eyes 👁👁

[wind sluice]

Ok that’s just cursed 😭 Idk, a lot of details in the game hint that spirits are pretty similar to people, probably more so than skykids ><

[robust flare]

Yeah, there's also the thing where masks show the roles of spirits, so might just be for that reason. Let's hope they have mouths 😂

[night pecan]

if we put all the murals from all seasons and pre-season areas
do we get a story that fits together despite the next season having nothing to do with the last (probably)

[supple agate]

I wonder how the crabs taste

[unreal gyro]

yeah

[flat mist]

Aight so whats the deal with the manta tanks near the underwater WL

They have the little things to open them but no way to interact and they have a gate at the top to let them out

Maybe its a later quest because when we collected materials for the first quest, it was those diamond things that you light ip to activate things and the switches are missing them so maybe its for that?

[unreal gyro]

that's very interesting !!

[flat mist]

Also you know the tower with the wl on top of it? There are 3 claw looking marks scratched into it by something big with claws idk what tho

[unreal gyro]

mhm

[flat mist]

We just gonna ignore that? also why are there a bunch of buildings underwater? Its weird idk. Also theres a locked door to get into the tower i wonder whats in there. Chibi spell time ig

[unreal gyro]

something... something...

[fading bear]

I just had a little theory! Yesterday we were talking about the long eel creature that swims around the treasure reef. We had multiple ideas about what it is. One of the theories we had was that it's some kind of spirit, since it has a blue colour.

So, when I was swimming around the new area just now, I saw the eel swimming down the stairs that lead to the area with the captured mantas. I thought, maybe if it is a spirit of some sort, it guides us that place so we can find/help the mantas?

I find it very likely that this eel creature is just like the whale, a cool creature that just hangs around. But I kinda like this theory too, even if it's not too likely to be cannon :)

[unreal gyro]

NOO SHSHJS SOMETHING

[regal phoenix]

lmaoo

[fading bear]

Also also In those really tall/deep ruins underwater you can sometimes hear this deep roar-like sound. At first I thought it was a weird sound chose for that eel boy, but it's more likely that that's the Leviathan and it scares me (in a fun way)

[flat mist]

also at the bottom of the deep ruins there is a hole with what looks to be an air refill spot but you cant get to it???

YO IT IS SOMETHING

[fading bear]

I really hope they'll maybe do something with that in a future quest! To me it looks like something smashed through

[flat mist]

dunno im looking around more

the top bit is messed up

[hushed steeple]

Ya what are the nicknames for the tealish eel leviathan thing? mosaic eel or light leviathan or something.

[frigid tinsel]

People been calling it an eel

[hushed steeple]

Works well enough

[flat mist]

I just say big feesh

[hushed steeple]

That might be confused for the coelacanth though.

[burnt cove]

@flat mist those building are underwater because of sudden rise of sea level.

Also the roar sounds are created by some dark dragons and the King krill

[hushed steeple]

[burnt cove]

That's the Elder!

[flat mist]

Also the tower will open from the top. Btw, Where is the King Krill? I saw it in the spirit cutscene but idk where it went???

[hushed steeple]

No king krill is nickname for the dark leviathan. People been clipping to it but its not revealed yet.

[flat mist]

Where is it tho?

Theres a barrier though?

[hushed steeple]

I haven’t gotten to it yet. I tried chibi looking for it, but apparently it takes being in an exact location to see it.

[tulip aspen]

beta spoilers
||since the krill king is currently an oob and part of an area unlocked via the missions we cant get to yet, i recommend spoilering talking about it yall||

you guys are great
absolutely wonderful

[flat mist]

oh

[hushed steeple]

Its such a grey space for spoils. But I think that pushed over the edge my decision to hold off on drawing it. Hehe

Instead I can rant about the removed turtle and fishes that I loved >:/

[tulip aspen]

... not really

it literally is only accessible atm thru an extremely hard chibifall and the will to lose wl to drowninh

[jaunty tapir]

wah wait we're not allowed to share beta spoilers outside of beta channels

btw i also found this vid by renny to get there using chibi #screenshots-and-videos message

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Its grey because oobs are debatable. We all found lil princey under forest n took photos with him. But I can see how the most will not be able to and will not want to click on others pictures.

[tulip aspen]

because it's a grey area because it's technically already here in live, people talk about it in this chat, but at least they spoiler warning it aaaaaaa

[jaunty tapir]

!betaspoilers (wait lemme check what bot says haha) alright i think you should remove that i guess?

[pastel brook]

Content from the beta version of the game is considered a spoiler and shouldn’t be posted in this channel. Content that hasn't been announced or released in the live version should stay in beta-related channels like #beta-discussion and #beta-screenshots-videos. Thank you!

[flat mist]

Okay so i just chibid at the top of the giant door in the deep ruins and ||ITS SO COOL DO IT OMG THE LEVIATHAN IS THERE AND ITS AWESOME DO IT DO IT DO IT and theres normal krill too!||

[south badger]

for those curious, the leviathan ||it is there in the live map and was in the trailer but it is in an oob below the tower so it’s currently a spoiler topic technically||

[tulip aspen]

i mean we'll see it anyway eventually but olay

[hushed steeple]

Might visit later!

But really that turtle and fishes are now counted as unused and that BLOMMIN RUFFLES MY FEATHERS BLEH!

[south badger]

right that’s true, but some people don’t chibi fall or look at spoilers and want to be surprised since it’s not a current season quest happening !

[flat mist]

its technically in live tho just oob

which is why we spoiler things ✨✨

[jaunty tapir]

yeah most probably there's a barrier but we all know how barriers work in Sky. Based on mural, I would guess they kept the leviathan locked off using light and artificial sources.... but based on the first quest, where we get dark stones..... hmmm ominous

[flat mist]

spoilers ahead, beware

[tulip aspen]

season hype la sigh

wasnt this bad during flight

[flat mist]

and more spoilers, again beware the spoiledness

[jaunty tapir]

Funny thing is, people post pics of it unspoilered in #screenshots-and-videos I got past the barrier earlier too and it's not hostile for now?? i guess?? hope not because that's one BIG scary krill

[south badger]

i wanna share my big boi pics too, abyss spoilers in these photos!

after seeing this. i do definitely think this is the creature at the bottom of that one mural no doubt about it lol

[jaunty tapir]

we are well fed

[flat mist]

leg owo

[south badger]

he’s friendly, also

[flat mist]

A skykid got in the tank. ||THERE ARE KRILL IN THERE||

[hushed steeple]

Rode the beast

[jaunty tapir]

I'm not sure if this was discussed here already before (if yes, kindly link me ) but these Abyss spirits, it seems they don't know what the technology is for. They only see it as loot/resources. Does that mean they're further down the timeline then?

[flat mist]

YO

[flat mist]

This stuff is way older than the abyss spirits. This is like ancient

[south badger]

i was just in there

rode the beast as well

[jaunty tapir]

They location itself is probably within the same era of the dark stones. And dark stones were already mined in Forest.

So this means Abyss is probably nearer to our timeline then... ?

[flat mist]

Yeah this is like ancient sky. Pre light sky.

[south badger]

the scavengers definitely aren’t there for the tech or history

[jaunty tapir]

Can you elaborate more on "pre light sky"?

[orchid jolt]

Ok, what are the TS hints? Normally someone here has compiled them.

[jaunty tapir]

Scavengers... sounds like a typical indiana jones movie with the booby traps when you get the tech/treasure

[south badger]

the traps are the krill

[jaunty tapir]

only 1 hint atm: loves the thrill of the chase

[flat mist]

before the existence of the light as we know it. Before the Elders came down. Same era as the creation of the dark stones and old stuff like that

[orchid jolt]

ok, thank you!

[jaunty tapir]

Oh really? I would think instead that it's within the same era as the realms because of the similar technology. How did you conclude it's older btw :0

And dark stones were created? Previous theory I know was they were mined from Forest. Similar to the Abyss map, where the murals show they were mining.

[flat mist]

It has completely different atmosphere and creatures and a different way of containing darkness and its also uninhabited without native spirits

[flat mist]

I mean when they were used to contain the darkness. Idk im not an expert

The stuff at the top is sorta recent in terms of the whole timeline, but the deep bit is older I think. Where do you think they got the technology from? Where do you think they figured out how to do that stuff? Idk man just a theory. A sky theory.

[hushed steeple]

Darkstones were also created by ||crushing mantas and light creatures|| idk if this was answered previously

[edgy sparrow]

I thought they just used them for power like sucking there life force out

[keen shore]

I’m pretty sure you get the unrefined material by mining it from forest, then you have to refine it into something usable using all the fun crushing stuff

[edgy sparrow]

At least the what I saw in the city underwater

[lusty merlin]

Hey lore chat… uhm…… anyone wanna give their thoughts on this, ik it’ll be earth prophet because of the mixup but I don’t like the implications of this lore wise

[lyric isle]

taking the opportunity

[frigid tinsel]

I had a sleep deprivation-induced mini meltdown from this question last night

[lyric isle]

bfnfbcjdndh same
panicked quite a bit at the patch notes

[lusty merlin]

Imma shift this topic to this trust in the elders hint…….. what did they put trust into? to make sure the prophecy went smoothly? To make sure the prince didn’t go out of control????

I do not like “trusts IN” the elders

[keen shore]

I don’t think it’s actual elders I think it’s like older spirits if that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

You might not like this video: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric isle]

air leaking out the porous mask

[lusty merlin]

If that was the case I will be relived and disappointed

[frigid tinsel]

Thing is, idk if they mean elders as in older people or Elders as in those guys

[keen shore]

The thing is if it was actual elders plural, putting heavy emphasis on their, it would have to be the valley twins, and why would you ever trust the twins

[hushed steeple]

Prolly both. Prophecy gang chillin with elders no contradictions

[lusty merlin]

This hint is like dangling a piece of meat in front of my rabid need for elder crumbs, if it is THE elders then that’s worrying if it’s just rllly old spirits that’s less worrying

[hushed steeple]

But Prophecy gang being mamas kids, ha, I could see too.

[frigid tinsel]

But in game, the Valley elder(s) are referred to as the singular, though we don’t know who’s POV that’s from, just that it’s in Orbit. We don’t know if all the ancestors agreeed with that

[lusty merlin]

Makes me remember the theory of that they grew up as one being but were split somehow, so they and the other elders just saw the twins as “one elder”

Explains the Sahmekh name thing too

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat: freaks out over a ts hint “this changes everything”

Baha! Nothing ever changes, you poor cornballs.

[frigid tinsel]

Alternatively, if Valley and Wasteland were once considered one realm — Golden Valley — then maybe the Valley twins and the Wasteland elder ruled it together at some point

[lusty merlin]

UM….. GUYS

I can’t do this anymore yall-

[frigid tinsel]

They know

[lusty merlin]

Oh god

[jaunty tapir]

well.. there was a case where a mix-up happened but it wasn't the next TS (cough dismiss cough)

[hushed steeple]

But dunno what you mean by implications? Did you want prophecy gang to have a death battle with elders? I would watch that. But they seemed pretty chill back then.

[lusty merlin]

More of what they trusted the elders, the hint was “trusts in the elders”

Just makes me wonder what they trusted the elders with

[hushed steeple]

Elders being competent leaders might be a foreign concept to you now-

But im sure they could handle things back when they where not the pure opposite of their granted wisdoms HA

[jaunty tapir]

with the wording, and how i know the hints are sometimes meta, i would interpret "trusts in their elders" as a younger person trusting the elderly/old people

[lusty merlin]

Ye earth prophet got mixed up with twirling. Champion which is why this hint made me go
But yeah I hope and kinda don’t hope at the same time the “elders” are just super old spirits, and not our elders

[hushed steeple]

Elders isnt capital. I don’t think that matters. But its prolly double meaning.

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestors: hmm, I don’t like this pollution darkness that’s been showing up ever since we started the diamond manufacturing but the Elders greenlit the whole process so it must be fine.
Eden: explodes
Elders: silent
Ancestors:

[lusty merlin]

HAHAHAHAH

[jaunty tapir]

that's true... the only sort of remotely left-wing people/has a different belief are the Flight spirits

[hushed steeple]

Do not mix politics into my sky game >:/

[jaunty tapir]

Well.. there is a King and Prince so

[frigid tinsel]

TGC: pushes environmentalist themes behind them

[lusty merlin]

Ancestor 1:“You sure this is okay?”
Ancestor 2:” I mean if the elders believe it’s right it must be okay right?-“

civil war aka. Golden wasteland battlefield

Ancestors:”😦”

[jaunty tapir]

Oh yeah i forgot battlefield

[lusty merlin]

Ehe thts my theory about battlefield at-least, cuz I do think it was a civil war zone

[jaunty tapir]

The different insignia in the shields say a lot actually

[keen shore]

I still get the feeling they’re for ranks instead of factions, given the different weapons, but I can see what you mean

[fading bear]

The new season actually gives more solid reason why people were against the diamond production (other than the pollution)

[lusty merlin]

Yes! I was so happy when I saw the murals, the abyss area was definitely a diamond factory/light creature farm

[thorny folio]

wasn't earth prophet here not that long ago??

[frigid tinsel]

Well they weren’t suppose to be there

[keen shore]

I hope it’s them I love the spider

[thorny folio]

no no not during the mixup like before that

[jaunty tapir]

The first to arrive was Water Prophet back in August 2021, and next was Fire last Dec. So no, Earth hasn't returned yet aside from the mix-up

[lusty merlin]

Also the reason I believe in the civil war theory: the sun sheild was people who believe light creatures shouldn’t be farmed for their light and mistreated in the favor of charging power diamonds (abyss murals give much solid ground for this)

Sun side was probably a revolution

diamond shields are definitely the kind/power diamonds or something

[thorny folio]

oh my bad!! I mixed up the fire and earth prophets!!

[keen shore]

My interpretation is sun side is a rank specifically meant to help guard eden, and maybe they revolted later or something

[frigid tinsel]

The sun symbols can be seen on the docks in Prairie (I’ll find a pic)

[keen shore]

The sun symbols on the shields are different from the star symbols on the docks&in isle murals I believe, here is sun for comparison

[lusty merlin]

Ooo that’s a cool idea

And yeah I remember the prairie sun symbols

[keen shore]

Comparison. Now that I look closer I do think they’re the same symbol, jusr these two aren’t drawn as spiky maybe

[lusty merlin]

It’s interesting think about the sun sheilds in that way, protecting eden that is

(in my civil war theory I liked to think the sun side managed to push through wasteland and into Eden )

[lusty merlin]

It definitely looks like a sun, that was my interpretation when I saw it first

[frigid tinsel]

something something Eden explody

[pastel brook]

what mods? There is only skybot

[keen shore]

I think it’s dead people souls, given how the isle mural shows ancestors taking them to the temple, the laughing light catchers memory shows them putting them into pots to take to the temple, the intro says the elders have to send spirits back to the sky AND the old lightseekers concept art which directly connects the lights that look like that with dead people

[lusty merlin]

Ooo that’s super cool! I joined in little prince so I’m kinda fuzzy on other seasons lore, but that totally makes sence

[keen shore]

Plus fun fact the prophecy symbol might be it as well!

[lusty merlin]

Ahh true, I always saw it as the prince

[frigid tinsel]

The lights in light catcher’s memory fall from the sky and too closely resemble the orbs of light we sometimes have to catch for tasks. They’re just lights, not souls.

I’m pretty sure souls are the blue/orange sparkles we see in spirits or follow before freeing them

[fading bear]

lfsjfk y'all I just went into the tower using the chibi fall thing, it sure is interesting

Small problem: I can't get out

||Also there are bubble things in there so we're probably meant to go there at some point||

[tulip aspen]

sun shield was the wasteland elder's side tho

[thorny folio]

I am once excited and terrified for future seasonal quests

[lusty merlin]

Wait fr? Could you give reasons on why you think that cuz I’m rlly curious to hear

[tulip aspen]

cos the wasteland elder holds a sun shield

[lusty merlin]

Lemme just…. Google that real quick and look at images

[tulip aspen]

bemyguest.mp4

[jaunty tapir]

got this from the wiki sun crest indeed

[ember elbow]

@lusty merlin video i took

[lusty merlin]

This single-handedly crumbled my light creature civil vs power diamond king war theory how did I not notice this

[tulip aspen]

"I've always believed in the TST theory, and have always been confident there was SOME kind of civil war within the kingdom

who was part of each side, however, is so ridiculously unclear (just like the details of the Royalty) that I don't care to think about who fought who

all I acknowledge is

1. there were two sides fighting and
2. there was a clear theme of magic/tradition vs. advancement/power, and while each side may have USED magic and tech, each side seems to have wanted less of one of these things to be present

and we do know the Sky/Elders don't want the ancestors to stay on Earth, but the ancestors, as a kingdom, do want to stay, so I think the war may be heavily influenced by that, and the idea of the power diamonds"

[thorny folio]

i mean it mainly flips it, but don't feel too bad many in this channel have tackled the civil war theory over many months

[ember elbow]

its easy to miss. lets be real. making a proper lore timeline is painful for this game when the devs purposefully leave it vague

[thorny folio]

speaking of which were you guys describing the lore timeline of abyss?? like when it takes place?

[ember elbow]

i wasnt. but i do think its after the collapse.

scavaging for power diamonds, flooded and decimated buildings. mini krill. king krill

[jaunty tapir]

i asked about it but got few answers, maybe more will answer now

[lusty merlin]

Definitely pre eden explosion, but it was a power diamond light farming factory or something

[thorny folio]

either after or right before it

[lusty merlin]

Maybe- maybe wasteland elder joined the sun side…… -as I try to salvage the remains of my theory to make it work-

[tulip aspen]

i don't think it's after the collapse, and frankly i see no evidence towards either possibility of before or after

i also don't see why it matters?

[turbid cliff]

The fact that I originally got the impression that the place in abyss was some sort of magic-ish aquarium bc of the few murals that i initially saw, but then turned to the lore chat to see what people thought of it and see everybody basically theorizing/agreeing it was a light creature farm for power diamonds

[thorny folio]

I feel like this was the beginning of the end, so while main wasteland was becoming more polluted this factory remained intact but fell soon enough for scavengers to find materials and syill make a profit presumably

[jaunty tapir]

the location feels like the same era as the realms to me because of similar tech (also the valley boat ride thingies are underwater too) but the Abyss spirits are more recent for sure

[lusty merlin]

It’s just clear Something happened, because it wasn’t meant to be underwater from the mine carts scattered around

[thorny folio]

can I ask why? I mean in terms of mattering this is mostly for fun but also context

[frigid tinsel]

it is possible the facility at Treasure Reef was devastated before Eden exploded, perhaps at the same time or just before fighting broke out

[thorny folio]

also the murals show part of the facility was underground and beneath the water

[tulip aspen]

well ofc

i think there's a good chance this facility site was just hit hard by the war, maybe artillery and bombing, or because the ocean rose and flooded the area forcing everyone to evacuate and scavengers getting the upper hand

that could be a possibility for a before the war explanation

[ember elbow]

something absolutely clawed the crap out of a few buildings though 🤔 i wonder what

[lusty merlin]

Ooo yeah! Maybe it was a target for materials? Because the scavengers seem to really like these tiny diamonds, so they are valuable

[thorny folio]

hmm yes I wonder...

[tulip aspen]

i do have a curious and confused prognosis @rigid mural

the cinematic trailer says the water in isle rose

abyss implied the ocean rose too

so that might impact yours and ash's theory on wasteland being a shipyard with water gates... because shipwreck area implies the water fell not rose....
what's going on there???

[tribal hawk]

Hey is it just me or do these look like claw marks..?

[jaunty tapir]

I wonder what it was called before it was named Treasure Reef haha probably research facility or mine or farm...

[lusty merlin]

The beta name was crystal bay so that could be it

[tulip aspen]

oh?

[frigid tinsel]

that still sounds ocean-y

[thorny folio]

random unrelated thought: I love how this emote is supposed to be a chill cozy emote but we all agree the skykid looks terrified

[tulip aspen]

👀 👀 👀

whoa

maybe it was the bigg boii.....

[tribal hawk]

So what’s the thing under the building? In the drawings there’s a huge creature under the facility.

[tulip aspen]

beta spoiler
||if any one of you says king krill uncensored ima krill||

[jaunty tapir]

oh you're right... there seems to be more water in wasteland before

[lusty merlin]

Worm big one ig

[thorny folio]

DUDE YES. || people on social medias and in discord are throwing around images of it in oob and I'm like!! no!!! ||

[tulip aspen]

frrr and then because people do it so loosely they think it's not a spoiler!!!!!!

[jaunty tapir]

oh-- i thought that was just a fun nickname

[tulip aspen]

||worm is fine
giant sea creature is fine
king krill, even if it isnt actually a krill, is an avid description to make people picture it||

[hushed steeple]

Well I didnt know it was in the trailer. Can it really be that much a surprise?

[jaunty tapir]

Ahh alright looks more like a centipede than a worm based on murals actually or maybe i haven't seen much worms...

[thorny folio]

like sky hinted at it in the trailer thar's fine but I don't want explicit pictures ty

[lusty merlin]

Yaknow those hollow knight dark deep nest worms that come from the ground? That’s what that big creature reminds me of

[hushed steeple]

Ohhh gotcha. That clarifies it. Thanks (didnt watch trailer yet$

[slate saffron]

They are.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah but theres also claw marks on the pot of prairie temple and yo they aint ever gonna explain that jazz

[tulip aspen]

it was vague tho ye

[tulip aspen]

valid counter

[jaunty tapir]

But this one's big

[tribal hawk]

It’s gotta be the king or sm right? I mean every other creature is like a fish guy so there’s no way it could be sm else..

[ember elbow]

lets say there was some kind of crazy natural event. or something to do with the king. We've seen it irl with humans rerouting entire rivers and draining lakes to build communities. Lets say they drained the abyss area, and rerouted it to where the shipwreck was via some sort of dam.

if that dam was damaged the water would naturally flood back to where it was

[faint hawk]

I didnt really care about the sky lore but now that abyss is out my lore senses are tingling It's pretty hard to get into the lore though since everything seems to be very vague and just be a bunch of theories I'm here for it though! Even got some theories for abyss

[thorny folio]

~~unless you follow the time stasis theory ~~

[jaunty tapir]

Yeah, everything is very vague

[ember elbow]

the what

[jaunty tapir]

this one? ^ TST?

[ember elbow]

also on the dam theory,

all those broken bridges we see in GW could have very well been the dam wall

[thorny folio]

the idea gets thrown around every once and a while and is kind of different each time, but the general jist is that all of the realms are in their own pockets of time sort of how the elders are trapped in that strange realm in the temples.

[ember elbow]

interesting!

[amber wyvern]

It looks like the giant manta in sanctuary

[hushed steeple]

Did you visit the thing yet? ||it doesn’t exactly have claws.||

[tribal hawk]

Which thing?

[jaunty tapir]

Probably a big crab then

[ember elbow]

||could have been horns instead||

[amber wyvern]

It could probably be ||from the spikes on its body? I dont rlly remember it's design but I do remember it had some giant horns on its jaw, doubt it could be those since it doesn't fit the marks||

[hushed steeple]

The thing in the abyss trailer :/ people been visiting it oob

[tribal hawk]

Oh I haven’t

[ember elbow]

im waiting for the quest. theres gotta be a quest where we get to go

[hushed steeple]

Theres three-four claw marks on the tower. Deep ones. No other chunk is missing from that side. Either its clawmarks or a very artistic krill.

[ember elbow]

tbh if it isnt the big "thing" or the baby one... something else is out there... shudder

[hushed steeple]

I WANT SCARY GIANT CLAWED ANIMAL THAT FLIES YES SIR

[amber wyvern]

These look the same, season of abyss has a lot of things recalling to sanctuary, I wonder if they're related in some form?

[ember elbow]

i mean, same. BUT NO. SCARYYYY

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it was isle elder as a vulture

[amber wyvern]

YES IT FEELS SPOOKY IM UP FOR IT

[hushed steeple]

Hell yeah sandworm

[turbid cliff]

OH NO

[amber wyvern]

It feels like the megalodon documentaries on tv Im in love with this season 😭

[jaunty tapir]

oh so that's where i saw it ty!

[hushed steeple]

So long as theres no concept krill with the human teeth

[amber wyvern]

Also do yall think these were used to capture the mantas in some way? It rlly gives off that they were used for their light energy or something related to it

[jaunty tapir]

People here say they were farmed for their light energy, crushed even

[amber wyvern]

Its really disturbing but really gives it an example of how far they went to obtain light energy

[jaunty tapir]

Can be seen in live through an oob too

[amber wyvern]

I saw a video about it and I really did get scared

[faint hawk]

Those bubbly containers kinda reminds me of test tubes. Like they were trying to use the light creatures for energy or something. They could've maybe collected their energy to fuel their technology or something, like you guys have already mentioned

So you all know the big cosmic manta with multiple wings in vault? Don't you guys think it kinda looks like the ones on the lower levels of the murals in abyss? Maybe they used to exist, but went extinct

[amber wyvern]

This is very interesting, but maybe ||the abyss one managed to survive? Since its in an oob area (probably a future quest) going away from civilization into the deepest waters to survive||

I dont know maybe you need chibi? I haven't gone there yet

[jaunty tapir]

this might be helpful for you #screenshots-and-videos message by renny

[faint hawk]

I don't think the ||king krill/Leviathan|| is the same as the big cosmic manta though, I think it's one of the mantas on the bottom left and not at the very bottom. But maybe it could be and evolved corrupted form? Or maybe ||the Leviathan is an experimental hybrid between a krill and/or a manta/big whale seen in sanctuary ||

Imagine if they we're creating a mutated hybrid between multiple species to make a creature that could satisfy their massive needs for energy

[keen shore]

Could ||massive worm boy|| be a corrupted version of one of these? It certainly looks more animal-like and not like the giant machine/skeleton krills resemble

[faint hawk]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It's mostly similar to them so that's what makes the most sense to me

[jaunty tapir]

they look more like the first pic! but chonkier and longer since we know krills are corrupted, chances are, this worm is too.. unless they did experiments but hmm sounds unlikely based on what we know of their tech

[keen shore]

It’s hard to get a great grasp on its anatomy due to its size and speed, not to mention the dark lighting in the area. Closest reference I could find is here, notable that instead of fins or flippers it has kinda krill-y limbs

[faint hawk]

I have some pictures of ||big boy|| that I can send here too

[willow prawn]

I think ||it's closer to a whale than a manta, but also because it doesn't have aggro programmed (... Yet? Hard to say)||

Whales ignore us, too

[south badger]

oh hey dats me

i went in there with him, im going to try to get a clearer pic again of him without the barrier maybe!

[amber wyvern]

It could be a corrupted form but grown, since the others look very small compared to the "adult" ones in sanctuary, vault, forest and abyss
Another reason I think this is because I don't think they would be able to handle full on grown mantas in such a tiny place for them considering their technology

[naive flare]

Hey so im kinda new to this game and lore lol, what exactly is up with eden exploding? D:

[faint hawk]

Same, still not really sure what that's all about!

[jaunty tapir]

One word: Consequences

I'll let others explain more

[amber wyvern]

I have a big lore summary someone made when I asked about it long ago I could send it here

[hushed steeple]

Prince wanted to be a grown up so bad eden exploded

by mining and using a forbidden mineral that consumes light and maybe the diamond in eden is one of those

[naive flare]

I have a big lore summary someone made when I asked about it long ago I could send it here
@amber wyvern yes please ehe

[amber wyvern]

Alright
Someone sent it here before so idk if anyone remembers it but ye

[naive flare]

Prince wanted to be a grown up so bad eden exploded
@hushed steeple wait, as in the little prince?? xD

[hushed steeple]

No a different small prince. Trust us we where very confused when tlp was announced.

[amber wyvern]

Sky used to be place where the ancestors could pray to the sky (either to the elders, megabird, or both)and their light was infinite (as in everything was plentiful) and they lived in harmony.
Darkness came, and the stars fell. The ancestors perished during those dark days. Many years later, skykids arrive and are sent out into the world to find and save lost spirits and bring the light home (as in gather winged light and relive spirits memories so that they can reach the temple and thus orbit). Skykids are able to delve into the worst areas where corruption took place (Eden), ascend to orbit (supposedly the afterlife or heaven) and then be reborn to do this over and over again.
That is more or less what the intro says and based on what was discussed on the lore channel so far. (1/5)

[hushed steeple]

Thats pretty much all thats 100% confirmed yeppy!

[amber wyvern]

Dark stone (the substance that can absorb light, which was used to make power diamonds, and that got corrupted) is supposedly a natural material that exists in the world. Perhaps since it is the opposite of flame (the light of megabird, the diving being that gives light and life), it would have to exist to maintain balance in the world.
According to the old lore from concept art for the game's beta (Sky: Light Awaits), the King/Prince (not to be mistaken for the little prince) found the dark stone in the forest and discovered its light absorbing properties. The King relied on this ability to enhance his own abilities, making him more powerful than ever. He shared this 'gift' to the other elders, who also shared it in their respective kingdoms.
Soon, the civilisation of the ancestor made leaps and bounds in progress with the diamond technology!
Flying boats, floating platforms that can form bridges or stairways, power mechanisms, open doors and more. Each realm prospered and depended on one another to build a great civilisation.
As the use of diamond technology grew, so did the abuse of its power, a greed that had no end.
Light creatures began to suffer with the by products of diamond production (for the sake of brevity, there are some theories around Golden Wasteland being the industrial kingdom that was a factory for power diamonds. With some of the evidence being the the ruined machinery, the pipes and the pollution that decimated the environment).
The light creatures supposedly grew hostile and dangerous, if not sickly and dying. (2/5)

[amber wyvern]

The ancestors and the elders then build a great ark and used it to get to Eden, where the storm would drive the creatures away. According to the old lore, the creatures persisted and attacked the ark, the ship crashed and along with it, its passengers and cargo.
Supposedly there was a great power diamond in Eden, and it was so powerful, when it became corrupted. Its calming blue glow turned blood red and produced a devastating explosion so massive, it destroyed the kingdom, its inhabitants, possibly the resident elder, in addition to corrupting the light creatures within its range. This resulted in a ruined realm, a relentless storm and the creation of the Krill.
Note: that is just a theory based on the concept art for Sky: Light Awaits. Though the krill are confirmed to be corrupted. (3/5)

[south badger]

i did not even spoiler that . let me try again. lol

[amber wyvern]

The other elders may still be alive, though are not able to physically exist in the mortal world. This can be seen in mural where the elders used to interact with the ancestors, and how none of them ever physically appear in the mortal world. Although, they are still able to affect its surroundings in small ways (the day light elder placing a vase on the throne (or offering spot, I am not sure), the forest elder activating the temple's mechanism, valley twins and the Golden Wasteland elders open the doors in their temples and Vault's elder supposedly transports the skykids to the top of the temple or constantly projects a dream like environment that the elder can manipulate (As in what the skykids see on the higher floors might not be what is actually there).
As for the Elder of Eden.
Most theories point to the elder being the King/Prince.
The King of Sky used to be a character you would meet in Eden. As seen in the concept art for Sky: Light Awaits, he would have been trapped there and forced to face a ginormous dark creature. The skykid had to face the terrible storm and reach him, inadvertently, the skykid falls into a state of limbo, where they are shrouded in darkness and are alone.
There, the skykid would have met the Prince of Sky, who will help them up and ascend to Orbit. (4/5)

[hushed steeple]

The ark and creature war is kinda.....not very canon anymore

[amber wyvern]

It is important to clarify this was mostly concept art because (as far as I can find out) the development in beta hardly finished Eden (formerly called Storm) before the game went live. It is at that point, unless I am mistaken, is where the game's lore was changed. Partly due to device limitations and possibly other technical reasons/writing decisions, the story of the game started heading in a different direction.
One where the story of Sky is open ended. Where players are able to draw their own interpretation and theories. Where the King can 'no longer be saved.'
And essentially, the game does not have an ending as the 'real journey starts' for skykids after they make the ultimate sacrifice in Eden, and are reborn.
Thank you to anyone who read this mini-mega sky theory.
I hope this is true to what has been theorised thus far as well as bring newer lore moths up to speed. (5/5)
Again huge Thanks to whoever wrote this long ago! Very useful for moths

[south badger]

||leviathan|| pics for anatomy references (abyss spoilers)

[hushed steeple]

I needed these to draw it thank you.

[south badger]

no problemo!

[naive flare]

It is important to clarify this was mostly concept art because (as far as I can find out) the development in beta hardly finished Eden (formerly called Storm) before the game went live. It is at that point, unless I am mistaken, is where the game's lore was changed. Partly due to device limitations and possibly other technical reasons/writing decisions, the story of the game started heading in a different direction.
One where the story of Sky is open ended. Where players are able to draw their own interpretation and theories. Where the King can 'no longer be saved.'
And essentially, the game does not have an ending as the 'real journey starts' for skykids after they make the ultimate sacrifice in Eden, and are reborn.
Thank you to anyone who read this mini-mega sky theory.
I hope this is true to what has been theorised thus far as well as bring newer lore moths up to speed. (5/5)
Again huge Thanks to whoever wrote this long ago! Very useful for moths
@amber wyvern ty very much for all that!

[hushed steeple]

Im not used to lore chat going so fast with so many textwalls. Abyss really hooked em

[amber wyvern]

I agree, I'm leaning towards the power-hungy that got out of control and had huge consequences kind of theory

[south badger]

his krill-y limbs don’t really move…… he kind of just glides… o_o

[amber wyvern]

I think its cus it can just glide like a snake

[hushed steeple]

Calling it a ||king krill|| I thought was kinda odd. It does not look much like one.

[tribal hawk]

It’s more like an eel

[naive flare]

Wait so if the giant creature war isnt a realistic theory anymore, what exactly caused the battlefield and skeletons in the graveyard?

[faint hawk]

@amber wyvern Thanks for posting the lore theory! It really helped me grasp the over all story/lore. Gotta now the basics if I wanna help build on it with theories and stuff

[amber wyvern]

I think it looks like a ||krill because of the head shape (not the horns), gives it a shrimp look that the krills have. Or the fact that it's corrupted could probably make it look like the krills??||

[hushed steeple]

I still think creatures fought in a war. Just not against ancestors.

[amber wyvern]

No problem! Hope you can enjoy the lore now with that theory :))

[faint hawk]

Also the eden elder has a name I've seen floating around, starting with R-something. How do we know their name?

[hushed steeple]

Resh! Its from concept art, based on hebrew alphabet. All elders have them

[tribal hawk]

It looks like an eel. Especially with the way it moves around.

[faint hawk]

Ah okay, thanks! Does it mean anything in particular?

[nimble crater]

U can safely go near it btw, some people tried it and they dont get krilled
Just stay away from the normal krill

[hushed steeple]

Its a hebrew letter. But hebrew letters apparently have personalitys. Resh, interestingly enough, is the corrupted letter.

[south badger]

oh yes! that’s why i have my krill spell on and i have ridden The Beast LOL

[maiden fog]

I find the concept of sky to be weirdly similar to Disney's Atlantis. An advanced society where miners found/used stars (precious stone) as a unique power source. With it they could build boats that fly and technology to open special doors and create life of pure light. The society became greedy and the power source/stars soon lead to their destruction. What once protected them and gave them life soon failed. Then in a sigular, apocalyptic event through storms and floods, the entired civilization was destoryed. Knowledge was lost and darkness took over. All there is left of the old world is the memories. In the cave of prophecies the 4 emelemnts brought together repeled the darkness since in the drawings the krill was flying away, but the storm destroyed/ seperated the elemental stars and the darkness returned, while they were lost.

[amber wyvern]

I think they got aggressive over time, but didn't just "grr we are a team now we are going to war" but more like agrresion cases in creatures were more and more often until the King decided "yk what these are dangerous!! We have to fight for our future blablabla!"

[faint hawk]

Could that mean that their name was something else before they got corrupted?

[hushed steeple]

Princes name was Alef. The first letter. We think they are the same. So we say Alef/Resh when talking about Prince/King sometimes

[nimble crater]

I think there was a mod that said the elders are not to going to be referred/use their hebrew names
When discussing iirc

[faint hawk]

Ah okay, cool!

[naive flare]

I think they got aggressive over time, but didn't just "grr we are a team now we are going to war" but more like agrresion cases in creatures were more and more often until the King decided "yk what these are dangerous!! We have to fight for our future blablabla!"
@amber wyvern i also saw some theory that part if the reason they started attacking was also because the way up the mountains was now blocked by the ancestors gates and temples, and the creatures wanted to get to orbit?

[tribal hawk]

Bro the mouth even looks like an eel Istg it’s an eel

[faint hawk]

How do I put a spoiler on images btw

[south badger]

i personally am an advocate for it being eel-like just because moray eels are my favorite sea animal

[nimble crater]

Y'know the king krill is based off the original concept of the krill
If u compare the concept art

[tulip aspen]

"I've always believed in the TST theory, and have always been confident there was SOME kind of civil war within the kingdom

who was part of each side, however, is so ridiculously unclear (just like the details of the Royalty) that I don't care to think about who fought who

all I acknowledge is

1. there were two sides fighting and
2. there was a clear theme of magic/tradition vs. advancement/power, and while each side may have USED magic and tech, each side seems to have wanted less of one of these things to be present

and we do know the Sky/Elders don't want the ancestors to stay on Earth, but the ancestors, as a kingdom, do want to stay, so I think the war may be heavily influenced by that, and the idea of the power diamonds"

[hushed steeple]

We had a big deal over not being allowed to use elder names at one point. Said it would “cause confusion” but then there was WAYY more confusion about why we couldnt use them and finally reversed it.

[amber wyvern]

They probably wanted to get to the orbit since they felt like the cause of the lands dying and creatures corrupting came from close to the orbit, and besides, the orbit is a place were all creatures come and got (this is if youre referring to the orbit we got to AFTER eden) and the king/prince blocked it for his factories or the arc i think
Besides we dont know how smart the creatures there are but we can guess they're pretty smart

[tribal hawk]

Guys istg look up “eel” ITS AN EEL

[hushed steeple]

Omg how did you get there?

[nimble crater]

King eel

[hushed steeple]

I personally think there was an ancestor cival war that was interrupted by dark creatures increasing. So they inlisted light fellows to help them....and uh....they are prolly the skeletons in the graveyard.

[south badger]

it’s an oob

[keen shore]

Think it was a “gift” name (there’s a better word for it that I can’t remember) Caesar Augustus style?

[amber wyvern]

What nickname do we give it
Dark eel sounds boring
||Kring kill|| is innacurate since its far from that and its an eel

[nimble crater]

Wait remember there were white eels swimming around maybe those are the regular eels

Btw have u guys tried riding them ?

[naive flare]

I definitely like the idea that king eel is a corrupted whale, but i just thought thats what krill were supposed to be, but now theres baby krill so they must also be able to reproduce and theres just so much new stuff D:

[amber wyvern]

Beautiful

[south badger]

the oob is ||through the big tower, but the specific area you have to fall through is small, i think you might be able to find a tutorial on youtube?||

[tribal hawk]

What about that big blue one that swims around?

[nimble crater]

Beta chat named it ruby

[tribal hawk]

YES THABK YOU IM GLAD WE ALL AGREE IT IS AN EEL

[amber wyvern]

Omgg that ones cute
Rlly gives it a pet vibe

[naive flare]

the oob is ||through the big tower, but the specific area you have to fall through is small, i think you might be able to find a tutorial on youtube?||
@south badger on nastymolds recent livestream they did it, you can find it there albeit informally!

[jaunty tapir]

Looks like a centipede

[slate saffron]

King Kris the blob, the definitely NOT eel

[amber wyvern]

I like the name ruby and kreel theyre nice

[jaunty tapir]

this might help #screenshots-and-videos message by renny

[south badger]

ruby the perfect eel name…

[tribal hawk]

Yes agreed

[amber wyvern]

Yes

[faint hawk]

By the way, I've also noticed that the diamond shapes on the right side of the mural are the golden metal containers (?), they have the same diamond shape with a smaller diamond in the middle. They're all over the place - in abyss, sanctuary, and the biggest amount is found on the shipwreck in gw which is pretty interesting. Maybe they were shipping them from abyss to gw on boats, as seen in the mining mural?
Edit: the ones on the mining mural could just be regular crystals too

[amber wyvern]

Theyre probably containing light to turn it into energy?? Idk

[nimble crater]

Ever heard of power diamonds?

[hushed steeple]

“Alef is too cute I need a name that strikes fear into peasants”

[amber wyvern]

Not really, mind explaining?

[young ledge]

I’ve seen people say they’re like batteries, but why would they put the batteries up so high it’s inconvenient

[slate saffron]

I always saw them as darkstone molds for the power diamonds (the glowy blue thingies used as batteries for energy)

[south badger]

power diamonds are the energy source that powers most of the tech like the boats and doors in the world

[amber wyvern]

Ohhh alright, ty!

[south badger]

our theories recently speculate that they were refining light creatures and draining their light to power the diamonds

[faint hawk]

I wonder what the golden containers were for. It could be as you say and that they drain they light creatures of their energy/light/life force and store it in those containers. It could explain why they're on each side of the mural, parallel to each other

[young ledge]

I feel bad for all the mantas who got extracted :((

[nimble crater]

Seems like it since u can see the mantas trapped

[south badger]

mhm, plus a lot of early concept art depicts refineries and cages for the same thing

the golden things might have just been housings for the diamonds to make them able to be handled and moved ?

[nimble crater]

There's old traps???

[young ledge]

do you think there would be a way for them to draw the light energy out of plants?
(I mean would be less effective that’s why they use mantas)

[amber wyvern]

NOOOOO

[faint hawk]

Yeah, maybe. They are around the mining areas in abyss too so it would make sense

[keen shore]

…I’m really curious why they’re praying in all the murals and why they have the scholar style headdress, is this like an experimental first diamond factory location that went wrong???

[nimble crater]

Well glad sky kids were brought in, since were made of light there's no need for extraction,
Unless...

[amber wyvern]

Anyways basically (abyss spoilers)

[south badger]

photo from nyx-pioneer on tumblr

[amber wyvern]

Probably extracts the energy from creatures to send them to factories?

[jaunty tapir]

Nice catch, I didn't notice that

[naive flare]

NOOOOO
@amber wyvern well i mean, has anyone else noticed how when theres a statue of a dead skykid, their grey corpse cracks and reveals blue crystals underneath? And that a skykids eyes are the same colour as when you give light to a blue gem to open a door or something? Im not saying unrefined gems were all once a living light creature……. Ok yes that’s exactly what im saying

[south badger]

the containers are pretty big! imagine moving them around a bunch…

[young ledge]

the ancestors seem to be larger than us though

[amber wyvern]

Oh woah
I rlly like this
IT SHOWS HOW CORRUPTED AND DISTURBING IT GOT

[faint hawk]

I saw a theory about the shipwreck in gw. It was roughly that the boat was transporting crystals full of light or something, and that a krill noticed and attacked, wanting to consume the light. It explains the krill circling around, and the large amount of golden containers. They could've been transporting it to or from abyss since its also in gw

[south badger]

all the diamonds are missing from the containers…. WE’RE THE DIAMONDS

[amber wyvern]

[nimble crater]

steals dead sky kids from eden and puts them in power diamonds

[south badger]

(powers your diamonds)

[keen shore]

Also, spirits are blue hued before you give them an ascended candle and golden afterwards. Wonder if they ever got desperate and used ancestors

[south badger]

oh man… that’s good theory

[faint hawk]

Maybe that's why they started a war

[naive flare]

steals dead sky kids from eden and puts them in power diamonds
@nimble crater yeah no im saying that’s exactly what happens whenever you mine crystals out of the ground, just other light creatures as skykids were made after the ancestors

[young ledge]

maybe it’s like fossils?

[nimble crater]

Makes sense

[naive flare]

ghys
@hushed steeple seeing as murals indicate that gems were being brought there, and its where darkness creatures are hanging out, it at the very least contains a lot of stored light! Though for what purpose im unsure

[south badger]

i do think they were storing light there. not sure if the tower had a function beyond storage though… hmmm

[young ledge]

i imagine is used to power the gates and I’m 90% there’s a lift?
inside the tower I mean

[faint hawk]

Maybe it was sort of like a lighthouse? It does have a big blue diamond on it

[south badger]

maybe it attracts light creatures to capture

[naive flare]

i do think they were storing light there. not sure if the tower had a function beyond storage though… hmmm
@south badger ive head it referred to as a lighthouse as well? Explains the massive crystal on one side and makes sense as its on a reef

[faint hawk]

Ooo that's a good theory

[nimble crater]

Btw have u guys noticed the scratch marks on the tower

[naive flare]

maybe it attracts light creatures to capture
@south badger OH THATS SO MESSED UP NO

[south badger]

i think ruby or some krill got out

[amber wyvern]

Its so messed up but good, im intrigued

[young ledge]

if it is a lighthouse maybe it got attacked by krill?

[naive flare]

@south badger OH THATS SO MESSED UP NO
@naive flare because they they just kill those light creatures for more crystals and make it attract even more light creatures 🥺

[south badger]

a lighthouse…. OF DOOM!!!!

[amber wyvern]

Nah definetly not...haha

[faint hawk]

It's worth noting that the lighthouse tower is directly connected to the big building housing the kreel. the path goes straight down from the top of the dower to the kreel aquarium

[south badger]

ruby’s not herself when she’s hungry

[nimble crater]

If it was the eel ...
But the eel doesnt have claws and the krill only have stick legs idk how to describe it

[south badger]

we must ask ourselves: claws…. or Teeth?

[nimble crater]

Can teeth make those marks?

[naive flare]

If it was the eel ...
But the eel doesnt have claws and the krill only have stick legs idk how to describe it
@nimble crater ruby does have a couple of krill like protrusions behind her main flippers, and she’s very plated in exoskeleton and rather heavy so I believe its definitely more than possible for her to have done it

[south badger]

ruby DOES have a modeled jaw full of large teeth

[faint hawk]

Ruby kreel does have huge horn-like spikes so it could be those that made those marks

[young ledge]

I think claws? there would probably be more marks if it was teeth

[amber wyvern]

I think horns, or teeth, sea creatures can have a lot of teeth sticking out of the mouth

[naive flare]

I think horns, or teeth, sea creatures can have a lot of teeth sticking out of the mouth
@amber wyvern tfw you remember a narwhale horn is actually just a tooth

[south badger]

or wasteland elder going ham on abyss refinery

[nimble crater]

I don't think the elder is involved

[fierce vector]

Anyone has any idea who might be the next ts?

[faint hawk]

Here are some more pictures of Ruby!

[young ledge]

I mean it could have been damaged in the eden storm, but the place seems pretty unharmed?

[nimble crater]

Imagine using lore to guess the next ts

[south badger]

ruby is so cute

horse

[amber wyvern]

If they were required to go to the ocean, they could probably evolve to be more sea-like? It probably supports some type of in-breeding hybrid underwater to farm light instead of capturing more creatures? (Like they do in actual farms)

[naive flare]

or wasteland elder going ham on abyss refinery
@south badger actually, on that note of it being a refinery, we havent yet had evidence of there being a refinery like in the forest temple or GW area in abyss have we? Maybe the creatures trapped here are just being used as activation devices for the power gems, and unrefined gems that are mined are being sent elsewhere then back again once theyre refined?

[south badger]

that’s true, i didn’t see any refinery-like structures like wasteland and forest!

[young ledge]

I kind of feel like the place was used in secret since it’s all hidden away underground?
also maybe abandoned since it’s a pirate crew come to look for treasure

[faint hawk]

Well, many of the buildings are damaged both above and below the water. And since the area wasn't originally under water something big definitely happened. What I can say though is that it has definitely stayed safe from the pollution we see in the rest of gw

[south badger]

Get In. Since you wanna act Diamonds

[naive flare]

that’s true, i didn’t see any refinery-like structures like wasteland and forest!
@south badger uh no quite the opposite my friend aha 😅 that big wheel at the top of the elder temple in forest is a gem refinery, im saying that i havent seen one in abyss!

[young ledge]

oh I’ve interpreted it as the building being underground (or at least a lot of it)

[amber wyvern]

It could probably be hidden from civilization to avoid showing how messed up getting energy got (maybe ordered by king/prince so a war didn't start, but as we can tell it did anyway), its probably a farm to activate or farm energy, maybe a farm of many others? 👀
Because it could recall to ||real farms and how messed up they are in doors, for example milk farms||

[faint hawk]

Yeah, you're probably correct on that part. It just wasn't flooded before :)

[south badger]

yes that’s what i said haha, was comparing i haven’t seen any, “like in wasteland and forest”

[naive flare]

yes that’s what i said haha, was comparing i haven’t seen any, “like in wasteland and forest”
@south badger ohhh i didnt see the like, im so dumb and can’t read dont mind me

[south badger]

omg you’re fine! i worded it weird lol

[faint hawk]

It is kinda weird how the pollution didn't reach abyss though, especially seeing how polluted the rest of gw is. Maybe they needed to make sure the area wasn't polluted so they wouldn't drive away the light creatures?

[young ledge]

theres a lot of pipes in the wasteland and eden so perhaps they’re connected

[south badger]

ohh good point . maybe it’s just abandoned before pollution got to it

[keen shore]

…maybe the pollution from this factory getting into the water supply is what jumpstarted wastelands pollution in the first place

Like it was a typical realm where people lived normally before, with a diamond factory away from the mainland where no one would notice, but when it got flooded all the pollution from it spread into the water

[faint hawk]

Hmm, maybe. We also don't know how far away crystal bay is from gw:

[naive flare]

…maybe the pollution from this factory getting into the water supply is what jumpstarted wastelands pollution in the first place

Like it was a typical realm where people lived normally before, with a diamond factory away from the mainland where no one would notice, but when it got flooded all the pollution from it spread into the water
@keen shore there is still the refinery in the area with the first krill though so I wouldn’t be sure on that

[amber wyvern]

Yeah, but I disagree in that it isn't polluted, it clearly is in my opinion, but since it may be far away, the pollution probably didn't affect it as much as it did to gw? (Also on the underwater part I think its just the environment adapting and evolving to polluted environments??)

[nimble crater]

Im guessing abyss is very far away from gw like... There's a tornado there and we go ride on a boat to an unpolluted area?

[south badger]

this reminds me of the painted lady avatar the last airbender episode lol where the factory was polluting the water so they BLOW IT UP …. i know what we must do

[nimble crater]

Dynamite fishing

[faint hawk]

Hmm true. It's so pretty underwater though, with none of that black water in gw

[naive flare]

Aha love how the reactions look like two moths, one reacting to the others chaoticness

[keen shore]

No, I mean the pollution pushed it from a normal residential area to one inhabited only by factories for industrial and refinement use.

[amber wyvern]

Yeah, idk why it looks so healthy when it looks kinda polluted and desserted on the outside, probably just to make it prettier since its a sea-focused season

[faint hawk]

That's true. I did notice that the land is very bare with no vegetation whatsoever, not even moss or anything. Except maybe in some of the caves now that I think about it? Unless I'm mixing things up

[nimble crater]

Sky kid: wants to dive
** Inhales manta **

[south badger]

well… irl water that’s full of dangerous chemicals to us are very good for the plants in there… just wonder what the difference would be between wasteland and crystal bay

[amber wyvern]

You can only see abandoned recourses wich i guess were abandoned by the people in there while the place was getting destroyed, i guess they were rushed to leave

[keen shore]

There is no vegetation, though rather that’s from pollution or just because wastelands environment in general never really had any foliage is hard to say

[young ledge]

the switch trailer showed the isle used to be grassy, so it could be the case for the wasteland?
(altho I doubt to some degree because of the crab roast)

[nimble crater]

Wasteland is full of sand

[faint hawk]

My headcanon is that gw used to be full of golden fields, I think I saw some fanart like that once

[nimble crater]

Or... The gold in gw is the sand
When light is reflected on it
But its rlly dark there rn so we cant see it

[naive flare]

My headcanon is that gw used to be full of golden fields, I think I saw some fanart like that once
@faint hawk i have a headcannon that darkness plants are just(or at least some are) corrupted glowblooms, so by that logic wasteland did at some point have a lot of wildlife ehe

[young ledge]

I thought it more meant golden as in like it’s rich with industry and culture

[nimble crater]

It is, gw was the area with the advanced technology

[tame gull]

I'm excited for the ts I pray it's one of the season of dreams I was cool when I was in that season and I couldn't get many things 🥺

[faint hawk]

That's true. If valley is the golden city then gw could've been the golden industry

[keen shore]

was it mine? lol

[nimble crater]

Hay 🌾

[amber wyvern]

Its so pretty

[keen shore]

Thank you! It was based off a saltmarsh

[young ledge]

that’s a good point, I think that the valley is probably the most cultured land(if that makes sense?) since they have rich sporting history and what seems to be lots of homes.
altho I think eden may have been even more prestigious, but it’s hard to draw any conclusions about eden :((

[faint hawk]

It wasn't, but that's a pretty good one too!

[nimble crater]

Eden seems to Have a lot more pipes than gw

[young ledge]

maybe the wasteland could have been used for training military/navy.
the elder and spirits have alot of armour, as well as it being location for large boats (which would probably require some training to power)

[keen shore]

It does, but maybe gw’s are buried under the sand?

[nimble crater]

I think there was old concept about turrets in gw(towers that shoot lasers)

[young ledge]

seems to be naturally more krill and crabs, so they could be trained to fight them?

or maybe they used krills for defence in some cases (like how triggering the temple gate causes krill to fly out)

[keen shore]

It could be both this and the industrial side, considering the soldiers probably didn’t pop into existence right when whatever war that tore apart the wasteland started. I mean, they had developed shields and weapons. However, it does make you wonder what they would need soldiers for — maybe to defend the factories from creature & sometimes protesting ancestor attacks?

[south badger]

i saw someone last night theorize the tower in crystal bay could be a weapon or laser powered by the diamonds

[young ledge]

yeah that’s what I question too, why they need all these armour and weapons and fortresses?
in my theory/headcannon the prince and gw elder are very close, since they both share interest in technology, so I doubt the army would be for that (bonus head canon is that the players are the army against the king)

prehaps there’s more dark creatures we haven’t met yet? like the giant underwater beast

[faint hawk]

I found the fanart I was think about! It's not explicitly gw in the image but that's what I imagine gw used to be. Covered in golden fields.
also the source I had seem to be a repost but they credited Lofter so imma do that too

[maiden fog]

It would fit the farming and design of the arc

[sharp lichen]

There was a theory that it used to be a marsh, and it’s supported by not only the switch trailer, but real life science

[maiden fog]

Well gw has alot of desert ground. And deserts in africa were once tropical, fertile areas. I think gw had a mixure of farming, wetlands and meadows

I additon areas in northern africa practice rice farming in wetlands and grassland and other forms of agriculture

[frigid tinsel]

the farm at the Forgotten Ark was likely made in desperation, meaning it wasn't an established agricultural site

[maiden fog]

GW has always reflected that for me. And all those industral stuff could have been advance farming stuff. Transport, grains, etc

[amber wyvern]

Thats very interesting I never knew that! 👀👀

[fair knot]

I think GW used to look like lençóis maranhenses, its a place in Brazil ... A floded desert

[maiden fog]

Eden is well known to be a mountain, and as we know it very dangerous with the rocks and water and krill. I like to imagine it to be like a volcanic area.

[maiden fog]

Ooo I like that idea 💡

[fair knot]

lençóis maranhenses ....

[sharp lichen]

SOURCE

[frigid tinsel]

there's a poem on some of the Sky pins TGC sold briefly that implies that Prairie was an agricultural site. you can read the pin poems here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BdMPoH0kRZOYDKvl2g5eQSH0h6JlvMHgBFs7P5Lg9NE/edit
then here's the poem I'm referring to:

[maiden fog]

What do the other pins say???

[frigid tinsel]

the link i put has the rest of the pin poems

[maiden fog]

The Isle one seems to suggest that they were shepards and took care of the animals

[sharp lichen]

“Animals” probably mean birds, as in the Vault cutscene we see a mural of Daleth using birds

[maiden fog]

Yeah!

[maiden fog]

Even though Lençóis Maranhenses National Park receives significant rain, due to persistent winds it has only small quantities of vegetation in certain areas.

Fisherman, during the wet season, fish in Lençóis Maranhenses National Park, but work in agricultural sites during the dry season, when most of the lagoons have dried up.

I found these two facts online. It correlates almost everything. The agriculture. The limited vegetation. It makes sense that they would have fished considering how many boats there are and the farming is there too!!

Also, the new seasons boat use to have a fishing net on it but they changed it. I have a photo if you wanna see

[frigid tinsel]

it's not uncommon for people to be on the other end of the shepherding or to use the word "shepherd" in regards to people (see: Jesus, in fact the Bible regarding Jesus as humanity's shepherd is accredited to starting that literary trope in Western literature).

Isle Elder is sometimes regarded as "the Ferryman," invoking Egyptian mythos on the god Charon, who carried the souls of the dead across the River Styx. so Isle Elder could very well be doing the shepherding.

[south badger]

definitely seems like it’s a shepherd to the people

[faint hawk]

The switch trailer show us some places, this is isle for example. Not sure to what degree the switch trailer is canon, but it should be, right?

[maiden fog]

Can we see the other areas please

[nimble ingot]

what on sky's earth?

[faint hawk]

Oh?

[nimble ingot]

no please, bring it back!

[faint hawk]

Not sure where the first one is, but the others are probably forest

[faint hawk]

This actually works well with what's seen in the switch trailer, since people are leaving on boats being ferried over to the temple

[nimble ingot]

whoever shared the picture about the season area, can you do send it again, or as pm, please?

[faint hawk]

Yes please I want it too
Unless it was fake
||It said consume energy to do something, right?||

[nimble ingot]

that was a screenshot of the game.
I know the bug, it happens when you angle the camera just right.

[flat mist]

The first pic was GW i think?

[faint hawk]

You can find the image under under bug reports actually, it was submitted by @ imposter

[nimble ingot]

thank you.
Much appreciated ❤️

[faint hawk]

I don't think it is actually, the area is very flat while gw has many hills. There's also a significant lack of structures which it should have if its gw

[maiden fog]

GW use to have fishing spots, in the new seasonal area the boat use to look different but they changed it. It had fishing nets. Am I allowed to show it?? would that be okay???

[nimble ingot]

I dont see why not, you are using it as a part of your lore idea.

[flat mist]

fair. Ummmmm idk tbh maybe vault before it was built or smthn

[south badger]

why do they do this…… it looked so much more unique and exciting before

[upbeat wind]

Heyo imma spread lore of my sky child's au

[faint hawk]

Hmm who knows. It could maybe be outside the realms of sky that we know about. It's notable that there are floating islands in the distance and as far as I know only prairie and flight have that

[maiden fog]

Honeslty so many beta players were not pleased with the change

[hushed steeple]

Why is it so much less interesting in live :/

[nimble ingot]

I really love the old (better) design for the boat.
Whoever decided to cut the budget on the ~~pirates ~~- I mean Scavengers, deserve to walk to plank (or what is left of it)

[faint hawk]

They probably changed it since the crew are not actually fishermen but treasure hunters. Too much fishing imagery might've been confusing or distracting

[maiden fog]

But now we know for sure (sort of) that fishing was a thing in GW

[hushed steeple]

I know some things need to be cut to work and concepts are usually trimmed to whats needed but why DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING they even have finished models that people look at.

[south badger]

that makes sense, but they still could’ve made it as unique with different details

[hushed steeple]

I can’t tell if im happy I got to see what might have been or upset that its not whats been

[nimble ingot]

they could have taken the boat from a fishing crew.
Or recently turned to ~~piracy ~~I mean, scavenging.

[maiden fog]

Honeslty, I had the impression that they were scavengers who lived at sea. And if you live at sea you need to fish to get food.

[south badger]

“bare essentials” of concepts is … not exciting . obviously they don’t do it purposely to make it less interesting i just wish they’d kept it :(

[nimble ingot]

welcome to the lore onion.
The more you cut into the layers, the more you want to cry.

[hushed steeple]

Hhh Im just gonna assume all the stuff I like made it run horribly

[faint hawk]

I get what y'all mean. Areas usually change as the seasonal quests progress though so maybe the boat area will too?

[south badger]

maybe, as the scavengers get more treasure lol

[nimble ingot]

dont get your hopes up.

[maiden fog]

No clue, we dont do the last quest till next monday. We have no idea how the season ends

[south badger]

what do we have if not hope

[faint hawk]

Excited to do the next sq in five days tho

[south badger]

i’m excited for the quests but i also ||don’t want ruby to disappear||

[nimble ingot]

ah, the fleeting innocence, the feeling of naivety.

I do hope the better boat does come to the game someday.

[hushed steeple]

They got rid of my most desired fishes. Hh

Maybe they are quest based but for now quest look like they just open new areas.

[faint hawk]

Maybe, one of the spirit memories had them scavaging for some wood by a boat wreckage so it's not impossible. I'd rather the quests be about the underwater area and opening gates to eventually release or free the mantas, krill and Ruby

[south badger]

AND we already had to search for resources for the first quest… maybe…

[faint hawk]

Yeah. There are a few pillars/pedestals and other places where we're probably supposes to place crystals, like up in the lighthouse by the wl

[hushed steeple]

Lorechat is the chat that looks at cut stuff the most, aside from beta chat, and is the one who longs for what could never be.

[sharp lichen]

I think all the stuff cut from Sky could be rearranged to make a new game

[hushed steeple]

I already use it in AU :/ and for fanart inspiration

Not sure a new game could be made when all the cut stuff is things just slightly not as cool versions of current stuff

[willow prawn]

All creative processes cut stuff. I think the difference is that usually the betas or previews aren't that huge so most people won't ever know

[frigid tinsel]

screams in bubbles coming out skids' chest holes makes the most anatomical sense

[hushed steeple]

Thats accurate. Im not sure why they include stuff they are not sure they can finalize and know people will want.......but at the same time Its better than being in the files and never getting to see it ever.

[frigid tinsel]

lore moths, i'm the anatomy nerd, you will see me fussing over anatomy a lot

[hushed steeple]

No one tell Alasdair the anatomy is fake ok?

[snow topaz]

can anyone explain the king’s lore to me amidst this cut content crisis?

[hushed steeple]

King/ prince is the potential eden elder who was cut. Although no longer in the game physically things that look like his concept art is everywhere. We theorize he was responsible for the use of darkstone that was the kingdoms downfall and uh

maybe rebirthed into skykids but thats just a popular theory

[frigid tinsel]

so the king, as shown in Zhao's concepts arts, oversaw the Sky kingdom's technological advancements, wore a crown of darkstone that corrupted them, was supposed to be a boss in Eden. as you can see, none of that is in game, but their image and symbolism is all over the place in the live game, like the huge statues/turrets in Eden is literally in the shape of them – actually Kamillico just linked you the compilation image of the symbolism

[willow prawn]

Well, I can't speak for TGC, but ai can tell you as a writer that its very easy to think something looks cool but once you put it on paper or it's been a few days, you go like "hmm... No, not really, I didn't want this"

Between that, how they want to keep the game friendly even for not gamers or loreists, the consistency in what they do, and probably technical aspects, the story and lore will suffer through it. I trust they find a way to share it with us nevertheless, though

I think Prophecy, Abyss and Flight will be good steps to figuring out more of pre-crisis Sky

[naive flare]

Sorry to distract but I just realized something I’d like to quickly mention before I forget.

So krills were light creatures corrupted by the disaster(tm) right, but we see spirits like the stealthy survivor reacting to them. This proves spirit memories could be created some time after the disaster though not all are
so… basically what I’m saying here is with the current idea everyone was killed instantly or almost instantly from the heavy amounts of darkness/corruption in the disaster spirit memories don’t have to be formed when they were alive if that makes sense? this made more sense in my brain
@keen shore so i do gotta ask, where has it been confirmed that it was the disaster (tm) that caused krill? Or what has been seen that implies it)

[frigid tinsel]

given that Sky is very fiction and very implied to have been shaped by magic, I'm more lenient on things that wouldn't biologically make sense or be possible irl, but I'm fascinated by the fantasy anatomy & physiology even though a lot of it just isn't consistent, which is the frustrating bit.

so by "anatomically incorrect" you're gonna have to clarify whether you mean "what does not make sense in-game or in-universe" or "what isn't possible irl that you see in game"

though i will say the most anatomically incorrect thing is Sky is how inconsistent it is. adding to the fact that it's very vague, there are several competing theories on what could be true. your (TGC) magic system needs rules, dang it, what are they and stick to them

[hushed steeple]

Jenova said they where corrupted. Nothing about the event that caused it. I think it was pre prince since they are in proph mural

[naive flare]

Jenova said they where corrupted. Nothing about the event that caused it. I think it was pre prince since they are in proph mural
@hushed steeple right, ive just seen a lot of people saying that it was cuz of ‘spolsion and dont know why (or what actually caused that ‘spolosion)

[willow prawn]

If we're veeeery lucky we'll figure out more of krills with this season, although I feel it will focus more on the place than the history itself...

But honestly, I keep thinking krills are something corrupted, but not mantas. Maybe there was other creature like the krill but cleaner

The shapes are too different for me to be the same species with and without corruption

[frigid tinsel]

a lot of people think krills are corrupted whales or other elder light creatures due to the size

[hushed steeple]

Im pretty sure eden did explode. Since.....well the castle is in the sky and pieces of it are scattered . But yeah who knows when and why. It is just easy to use it as a point.

[frigid tinsel]

alternatively, Salem suggested that krills are the conglomerate of drained mantas who were juiced for their light.
edited to credit Salem with the idea, thanks for reminding me

[hushed steeple]

I think they are switch creature. But manta guts are krill theory is so wonderfully horrific I kinda like it just for the shock value.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, the other idea is that krills are the corrupted form of the creature we see in Switch trailer because it has a singular light eye and, in storyboard drawings, it had horns. however some think it's too small to be krills, though it's possible corruption made them bigger.

[fading bear]

That’s such a scary idea! Really cool tho, especially for a cute game like Sky

[jovial nacelle]

Hello chat, what are we talking about?

[frigid tinsel]

who were krills before they corrupted, why are krills like that™️

[jovial nacelle]

Or it could've been ripped out by something in the sky

[fading bear]

I really think this season gives us insights on the origins of krill

[keen shore]

The reason most people think krill only happened after the disaster is that you only really see them in the later stages where there is tons of corruption, and from the pieces we get of the lore they only provably appear predisaster in a prophecy mural. Which, I mean, they’re prophets so doesn’t help giving us a timeline lol

My perspective has shifted to they weren’t corrupted by the disaster but the occurrence rate of them vastly rose as it approached as pollution spread, more mantas died, etc. in line with the mantablob concept above. They wouldn’t really have happened before mantas started getting drained and it stands to reason that as the practice spread exponentially so did their population

[jovial nacelle]

The structures in the Season of Abyss makes me think that it's used to seal other dark creatures beyond the gate (ergo, King Krill / Leviathan.)

[flat mist]

Abzu vibes ngl

[keen shore]

Maybe as the factory continued to exist, more and more spots started getting taken over by dark creatures and they blocked them off, until there wasn’t anything left to block off and everyone had to run

[distant turtle]

Waist hinge point when seated is too high up

[naive flare]

The reason most people think krill only happened after the disaster is that you only really see them in the later stages where there is tons of corruption, and from the pieces we get of the lore they only provably appear predisaster in a prophecy mural. Which, I mean, they’re prophets so doesn’t help giving us a timeline lol

My perspective has shifted to they weren’t corrupted by the disaster but the occurrence rate of them vastly rose as it approached as pollution spread, more mantas died, etc. in line with the mantablob concept above. They wouldn’t really have happened before mantas started getting drained and it stands to reason that as the practice spread exponentially so did their population
@keen shore got it! Maybe its also worth mentioning from this new season that they seem to be able to have babi D:

[flat mist]

Krill.

[frigid tinsel]

people see little krill and go "oh that's baby "

[lusty merlin]

off topic but now that we know the TS is dismiss this hint makes me feel better or it not being the actual elders, hopefully they mean just super old spirits

[jovial nacelle]

What I find interesting is that the Prophets are able to create darkness inside their trials.

[sharp lichen]

But are the trials even real?

[frigid tinsel]

yall gonna summon Jam with that talk

[lusty merlin]

Ash laughing abt my message still makes me uneasy rhough

[sharp lichen]

Replace trials with any “weird” location and you’ve got the majority of sky theories

[keen shore]

We should have a game where we try to speed run how quickly we can get someone else not realizing we’re doing it to post a lore document

[faint hawk]

I actually haven't played Abzu, but I bought it on a discount a little while ago so I have it in my library!

[flat mist]

Krill are supposed to be lil ocean creatures, not gigantic friggen darkness worms with anger issues whos favorite food is light

[keen shore]

Even a good half of the vault is only Debatably Real given the fact the walls disappear and you have to repeatedly meditate to reach the weird parts

[jovial nacelle]

I think it's a Vault-no-jutsu (to put simply, an illusion.)
The Trials are "mind spaces," or an alternate dimension inside our mind created by the prophets. These trials were most likely designed to train future generations for.. something. I don't really know
oop, wrong reply

[lusty merlin]

Haha no worries

[jovial nacelle]

So, if the Prophets or Magicians can create darkness, does it mean that the Elders can also create darkness

[faint hawk]

I guess this theory is not completely off the radar, but if they had to run because the creatures broke out/they couldn't block them anymore then why are they all still contained?

[keen shore]

Some of the creatures like the krill in anglers memory ||and I think the greatworm?|| are not contained at all but just haven’t ventured out of the island’s vicinity

[keen shore]

Can you explain what you mean here by darkness, please?

[jovial nacelle]

I'm relating it to the Fire Trial, because inside the Fire Trial is an entire ball of darkness that has a new species of Dark Creatures, which implies that they can create darkness

[faint hawk]

Oh yeah that's true. I was mostly thinking why we don't see any loose dark creatures in present day. Honestly the timeline of events confuse me a bit with this season

[jovial nacelle]

if I respond late, that means i'm almost getting krilled in eden
i got blown away

[hushed steeple]

Maybe nsw creature was baby. I hope so So I CAN HAVE AN EXCUSE FOR THEM TO GROW HORNS

[jovial nacelle]

Imagine if Leviathan wasn't a full sized dark creature

[frigid tinsel]

you take that talk back to Subnautica

[hushed steeple]

I feel like abyss gives us more lore! As you see these animals such as krills,mantas, and crabs where once underwater creatures its proven as the fisher spirit has an encounter with a krill... It never flew! So i believe maybe something or someone had given these creatures the ability to roam the sky!

[hushed steeple]

Getting a picture of it would be even harder if its head was miles away >:/

[jovial nacelle]

now if the full sized leviathan's eye was the size of a krill

[hushed steeple]

Or the ability to swim.

[faint hawk]

Maybe that has something to do with then harvesting light etc from mantas, assuming that the mantas they capture can fly originally

[jovial nacelle]

A crab almost took a WL

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I didn't realize at first that the crabs in Treasure Reef were aggressive

[jovial nacelle]

They were? Because they seemed very peaceful

[compact shale]

Wait, they are? Also do they swim or are they just at the bottom?

[hushed steeple]

Meany floaty crabs tried to ram in the water, can confirm.

[keen shore]

Oh! That seems to just be an imaginary thing within the mind space if that makes sense. None of it is really real, it’s more like a dream than anything else. Something like me creating fire in a dream doesn’t mean I can it irl for instance.

It is interesting though that the only beings known to be able to create functional mindspaces are:

• a bunch of skykids at once (Home)
• all of the elders (their cutscenes, second half of vault)
• & the prophets for some reason lol

A possible explanation is that the second half of vault was partially maintained due to ancestor powers so maybe they could create functional complex mindspaces if trained enough, although this is still weird because a bunch of them would still have to work together to create it unlike the prophets who apparently just made each trial on their own.
Except of course if someone or something else made the trials and the prophets are just guarding them

Sorry for text wall lol

[frigid tinsel]

they walk along the bottom

[compact shale]

Hahhaha dense heckers

[jovial nacelle]

I just discovered a nice detail, before we enter orbit our sky kid's cannot imitate the song we hear in Orbit. But, if we go into orbit. Our sky kid manages to sing

[faint hawk]

I found a crab that had fallen through the map

[hushed steeple]

I saw floating crabs though

[frigid tinsel]

video of me and a friend singing that song in orbit: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[jovial nacelle]

Hm, who do you think would've made the trials?

[compact shale]

The prophets? That's an unfounded headcanon, though.

[faint hawk]

The wall carvings for trials are interesting, anyone mind explaining the ruling theory about those to me?

[hushed steeple]

The elements themselves?

[hushed steeple]

Another theory of mine is player based have you guys noticed when you are together with someone cutscenes only show you? What if your friends weren't actually alive? Now remember the switch scene it was filled with people one day something happened i also believe that as your friends where once a forgotten memory as you meet people by lighting them just like the spirits we see! Ik its a dark idea but what if your character is just alone experiencing it's past as it and its trying to leave to find their people but they can't... Its obvious something is wrong as the hidden forest ancistor acts like there is an issue in the player and disrespects them... What if she knows that us the player is stuck forever in a endless loop and shes over it

Might be about princey wining the trials and becoming king and gifting elemtnals to elders

[jovial nacelle]

So far, the mechanisms in sky is heavily reliant on Light, but barely anything that's reliant on Darkness. If the next season has mechanisms that's reliant on darkness, imagine the lore

[hushed steeple]

In order to open this door you have to NOT take your candle to it.

[faint hawk]

Alright, that's what I saw in another theory as well! Good to know it was correct (as far as any theory can be correct lol)

[hushed steeple]

I mean even in eden you see your friends spirits every single time.. it would make sense

[jovial nacelle]

I remember going through Orbit the first time and seeing my friends, I thought they were real
Until I knew the truth

[hushed steeple]

I flew through orbit with friends and we called our fake friends out “look its fake andy” they say “I see fake lisa” ect ect

[jovial nacelle]

Odd... Only during the point of no return our sky kids capes rip. But realms such as wasteland. they don't.

[late wasp]

what is the dog's lore?

[keen shore]

There’s a common idea that cosmetics are just projections of light, so it makes sense that slowly as we just rip out more and more of our souls, the projections start to disintegrate due to the stress even when we have a full flame

[jovial nacelle]

adopted by TGC

[neon wyvern]

what.

[faint hawk]

By the way guys I was just Googling a bit and came across this picture. I don't remember exactly but isn't there a creature like this in the clouds when you go from valley to gw?

[jovial nacelle]

Alaskan Bullworm

[steep prawn]

so you have seen the Tuna King, you are blessed

[jovial nacelle]

dude's a chad.

Hm, I think the Point of No return was once a haven of Sky kids due to the amount of statues

[faint hawk]

He's not the same as in hidden forest cave though, right? ugh my brain.
Tuna dude reminds me of Ruby tho with those spikes on his head

[hushed steeple]

Coelacanth. Big fella who bashes buildings for you

[jovial nacelle]

sounds like a demolition company

[frigid tinsel]

it's possible that skykids are supposed to go to whatever is powering the storm in order to stop it, but the first wave of them all perished in attempt to get close to it. instead of ignoring them, the next wave of skykids sacrificed themselves to rescue the first, so a third did the same, followed by the fourth and fifth and sixth and so on. whatever they were supposed to truly do in Eden be damned, their friends are in trouble and need to be saved.

skykids care so much about each other that they rip themselves apart to save them.
damn.

[steep prawn]

I'm not sure with that if there are more of it or last of its kind but there are three encounters at least

[flat mist]

whale

[jovial nacelle]

I just imagined a horde of sky kids just running towards the Crystal, most of them being perished by the first wave, some of them managing to get close but still succumbing to the darkness, and their leader also perishing

[keen shore]

Given the fact that we can rip wl out of our chests, who’s to say having to go through Eden constantly wasn’t an intended part of our design

[flat mist]

Isle parents!!

[faint hawk]

Hmm okay. Maybe it is the same one, cuz I know he's in eden right before orbit too

[faint hawk]

Wouldn't it be cool if one day we'd get enough wl that we can get to the crystal and interact with it, giving it our last wls to free eden once and for all?
edit: ||season of eden anyone?||

[jovial nacelle]

Yes! Lore season please
I'd even risk my happiness to understand sky's lore

[frigid tinsel]

hoping this season is gonna be the lore feast we needed

[keen shore]

…or what if they all got trapped inside after a while, because edenlock wouldn’t let them escape and they didn’t have the strength to meditate and return home

[faint hawk]

Ngl now i kinda wanna draw lore based concept art for a season of Eden, based around the king

[jovial nacelle]

I'm in beta but...

[boreal nebula]

Murals hidden in Ark about Abyss

#screenshots-and-videos message

[jovial nacelle]

Nice attention to detail!

[faint hawk]

I saw a hidden mural in a YouTube video about the king, I tried finding it myself but it had been removed and replaced by pictures of jellies

[hushed steeple]

That was actually a piece of prophecy mural stored in sanctuary, turned on its side. This exact mural in fact. Don’t try to get a context from the sanctuary one

[faint hawk]

Oooh really? How did it end up there?

[keen shore]

This means either one of two things: hints have been dropped, which is a reasonable assumption given the basic ideas for each season are probably planned out a while in advance and you could see season of flight direction signs even before that season happened

OR the same group of people that abandoned the reef tried to move to the ark area later and rebuild, and those are sketches of the small half built ruins left behind

[jovial nacelle]

They stole it!

[boreal nebula]

I actually didnt have enough...

The other day I was in Ark waiting for reset to have another loveboat and wondered what that "comb" was

I onky figured out minutes ago, only after watching, AGAIN, a the Abyss Map (so I even had to fly back to Ark to confirm!)

[keen shore]

Jellyfish whisperer making illegal murals yet AGAIN

[hushed steeple]

They prolly had to stash the assets there and picked sanctuary, the active season while they worked on prophecy for it. Haha. Maybe because they are both concave surfaces?

[frail jacinth]

thought i would post it here(?) but would these gravestones in the valley race starting area be possible champions from before? or just random ones. just curious

[faint hawk]

Make sense

[boreal nebula]

LOL! That was a bug with some murals from Prophecy.. one year ago everyone thought it was an evidence of king being dethrone

[jovial nacelle]

I just imagine Jellyfish whisperer creepily humming the sky theme song while drawing it

[keen shore]

I don’t think anyone is actually buried there or anywhere, they might just be monuments to past famous champions/athletes. maybe the dream skater is there

[jovial nacelle]

where is my sky kid going- they literally went anywhere but up

[frail jacinth]

oh no why would you starts bawling

[boreal nebula]

There is mining that relates in both after all....

[faint hawk]

when you see a red light outside your window and immediately think krill 💀

[ember elbow]

random door i found by the WL in abyss. i wonder what itll open.

also sleeping skid being watched by stranger and grandpa. i am grandpa

[flat mist]

Oh scroll up I chibi fell into it

[compact shale]

What was it?

[boreal nebula]

Good point. On a previous discussion we agree precisely on this, Them being famous athletes

[keen shore]

And both islands are from the same general region… I don’t think there’s any visible architecture in forgotten ark but it could just be buried by the sand or in a place the spirits saw but we can’t reach (like outside the circle of clouds). It would make sense to try and rebuild another factory there because it would be a great second best spot, only for corrupted crabs and the krill we can see circling around ark to appear and them to abandon it again out of fear

[flat mist]

here @ember elbow @compact shale

[keen shore]

What if the enchantment spirits set up the fireworks in the valley coliseum

[boreal nebula]

Idk, but I dont think they will open || otherwise WL would fall into the trapdoor||

[ember elbow]

i wonder what it is then. theres a ||gate underneath. huh.|| it seems to have pedestals for flame or an item on each side

[keen shore]

Manta Murder Chamber

[flat mist]

||It will. it has the stuff to do so and theres a gate at the bottom and light thingies to open that||

[willow prawn]

It doesn't load

[ember elbow]

im just glad i got the WL. painful. had to pop a gravity spell and go from the second tallest place

[jovial nacelle]

huh, they changed the portal back to home in eden

[flat mist]

Wut

[jovial nacelle]

it's like the portal to the other realms now, just without the elder heads

[boreal nebula]

Another tiny hint about Ark Crew coming from Abyss could be this tiny hook I found near the entramce of Abyss map

It has a similar shape to the "pinnacle" near the nodding muralist spirit

[flat mist]

the one in orbit?

Welp im going to eden!

[faint hawk]

Image?

[boreal nebula]

Well, tiny compared to boat sizes... plus isnot 100 percent identical near muralist

[jovial nacelle]

ah, i've already left orbit

[boreal nebula]

Picture please

[faint hawk]

By the way, what's up with our friend constellation being a king crown

[flat mist]

ill send one gimme like 30-ish mins?

[compact shale]

Some theorize that we are the Prince/King or fragments of Them.

[keen shore]

Could connect that with the idea that having to travel constantly through the realms to help spirits ascend and through Eden over and over again is a purposeful punishment, rather than just the job we were created for

[boreal nebula]

Btw, whats the English name of the new Seasonal area?

[keen shore]

Treasure Reef!

[jovial nacelle]

Fun fact: It used to be Crystal Bay

[compact shale]

Punishing the King by pulverizing them into a million parts and making all 1 million of those parts clean up the mess

I guess breaking them into pieces increases the surface area of the punishment so that means more suffering

[boreal nebula]

In some old videos it was even more resembling one, now it morphed into something that sorto recalls me of a concept art of Megabird detatching from the planet

[compact shale]

The friend constellation is still King's castle/crown, the one of 3 skykids holding hands is different

[keen shore]

Would also explain why barely any of the spirits/elders actually show affection to us, they’re just afraid of us. Also what if krill only go after us like a twisted form of revenge

Although, honestly, given skykid anatomy I would be afraid of them anyway

[boreal nebula]

Crystals, you say?

[frigid tinsel]

I'm watching the current livestream and I think @compact shale will like to know that they said that they'll be showcasing the spirits on social media, sounding very similar to the intro cards we got for the Flight spirits

[compact shale]

Ouch, that's sad...

No wonder...

[faint hawk]

Ah okay. Also, what's the thing with the mega bird? I've gathered that its like their highest deity but what else is there to it?

[boreal nebula]

Please, someone, take notes for anyone who has to sneep

[pastel brook]

[flat mist]

whats this? I couldnt get a good picture but its above the entrance to eden and it looks like maybe a sword or smthn idk

[keen shore]

I don’t know how much of the kingsplit theory (that’s what I’m calling it now) is actually true, but it’s one of those ideas that makes you look at the lore in a completely different way when you start to think about it…

[frigid tinsel]

i can't cos i'm in the middle of something but i'll drop by with anything that sounds interesting

[hushed steeple]

Theres not that much more to it. Other than maybe it was a narrator in one of the old isle betas

[boreal nebula]

Many think it is the cosmic combinations of all souls migrating to orbit, maybe the core of orbit that attracts all light creatures (we se a golden nebula in end credits and definetly see a similar drawing in Forgotten Ark murals)

[faint hawk]

Ah so its not the same as big birdie then?

[boreal nebula]

To mee the constellation reminds me of the yellow light left behind by Megabird in that drawing ✨

[hushed steeple]

Nah thats elder bird. Despite appearing in a season these days its somehow less present in game the megabird.

[faint hawk]

That makes sense, I could see that. I kinda feel like I need to rewatch the orbit credits now

[frigid tinsel]

Bumbling Boatswain is supposed to be clumsy
#relatable

[boreal nebula]

Btw I rememember that one year ago the top part of the "crown" ✨ was made of 5 points, 1 in the middle and the other 4 friends around

[faint hawk]

So, was the elder bird the one who was supposed to be in flight?

[hushed steeple]

It appeared in promo artwork and was added as an emoji during flight. So we where completely crushed as nothing happened. Apparently it was never even in beta.

[boreal nebula]

Lol, my first question in lore was about the citadel big bird, then someone talked about megabird and I assumed many discussion wrong... till someone dropped the Lore Moff Doc

[sage isle]

hehe, hi. me with dumb lore hehehe

[faint hawk]

Big sad. It would've been cool with a huge bird

[boreal nebula]

We cannot see Rhythm Eagle... we cannot see Elder Bird

[sage isle]

is the flooding also a cause from eden going kaboom? like how the rain hurts us in the forest or yk how the Golden Wasteland looks

[hushed steeple]

I still have no idea what difference you say they have but yeppy, no rhythm gangs bird either

[sage isle]

there are tons of structures under a water, meaning, people lived there.

[frigid tinsel]

from the livestream:
"the best part about Sky is that there is still so much that's still unwritten about the world and it is such a great canvas for all the creative people on the seasons team. if they have an idea, you can be heard and maybe become a future season or something."

[plucky torrent]

Hey lore. Is there any consensus yet on the drawings in the new season? Was it a mine? A facility for somehow turning light creatures into power crystals? Just a weird fancy aquarium?

[boreal nebula]

Thats a new intersting theory... sortof shortcircut was Eden fault

[faint hawk]

Wait, how many birds are there? Elder bird, mega bird, citadel bird, rhythm eagle

[sage isle]

I like to think it was a mining town!

[hushed steeple]

Yeppy a darkstone mine! Prolly using mantas like in concept art.

Where they drained em for power diamonds

[steep prawn]

isn't the Rhythm Bird same with Elder Bird?

[faint hawk]

Concept art? Show

[sage isle]

Darkstone village. has a nice ring to it, don't it?

[faint hawk]

I'm the wrong person to ask, I just got into the lore like, 2 days ago

[plucky torrent]

I was just looking at one of the drawings that shows people in the tower with light critters on one side and the same number of people with crystals on the other. Makes it seem like they were doing something to them. Plus the mantas in the tanks

[sage isle]

so, it used to be a mining area to get light. then, eden's diamond went kaboom and caused the flooding?

[boreal nebula]

2D birds and 3D birds too (plus hair nested bird)

If we dont count all bird masks (btw the next TS count as a bird too... somewhere is called with the name of a Horned Eagle deitupy from india)

[faint hawk]

Is official concept art?

[sharp lichen]

@icy spruce WHERE ARE MY 2000 HEARTS?!

[icy spruce]

gone :)

[hushed steeple]

Yes. You can find it in pins under tom zhaos site

[faint hawk]

You know what, I'm just not gonna go down that rabbit hole

[steep prawn]

i thought it was the crow mask lmao

[sharp lichen]

||Imagine being banned from KP||

[sage isle]

maybe it was also the cause for war? no more light so people started taking, and then it got scarce and war would describe the battlefield before we go to the elder?

[neat flint]

||The server just turned 8 months old 😔||

[sage isle]

I'm just spewing random things out, someone correct me if I seem wrong

[hushed steeple]

To myself, new TS mask will always be, unicorn alligator.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah thats basically the going theory. We look at the diamond and sun shaped shields in wasteland too.

[faint hawk]

"Cages filled with waste are transported away"
Waste of what

[boreal nebula]

If this seasom finally will prove they grind mantas I wont like it. Im not a fan of that cruelty theory

I hope it turns out this acquarium had ethjcal reasons to catch and cure creatures

[sage isle]

drained out dark- oh. oh no.

[hushed steeple]

Manta squish

We don’t know if its still canon. The way abyss uses mantas might be different

[sage isle]

manta squish..

[faint hawk]

[steep prawn]

last time they called it the manta blender

[willow prawn]

Ohh, that's so good! The livestream stays online? I can't check now

[frigid tinsel]

"[harpooner] helps protect the ship from dark creatures."

[sage isle]

NOOOOOO. NO, NO, NO.

[naive flare]

Oh hey so ive got a thing to bring up, i think theres a complete difference between artificial diamonds and darkstones, and from a spirit we can see that it was actually blue gems that are mines from this reef not red darkstones, so i think this place is just a blue gem mine not a darkstone one

[keen widget]

Hi, I’m new. I joined this group specifically because I heard there was a lore page.

[sage isle]

welcome!

[hushed steeple]

So yeah, agree with Tebkanlo, making manta squish seems too cartoonishly evil, I can’t take it seriously.

[compact shale]

WHOAHHH

[boreal nebula]

Some call crow mask the one from Blowkissing Actor, a friend call Dismiss mask unicorn, another aligator

I mean, nobody is wrong, somehow

[hushed steeple]

I call blowkiss, a crane

[sage isle]

dark creatures. krill. dark creatures. krill. dark creatures... = krill?..

[steep prawn]

The mask of many names LMAO

[sage isle]

I mean we DID see krill in one of the spirits memories. perhaps they live in the darkness part of the abyss?-

[naive flare]

So yeah, agree with Tebkanlo, making manta squish seems too cartoonishly evil, I can’t take it seriously.
@hushed steeple well its a pretty easy concept to believe, have you noticed that when a skykid dies the yellow glow they emit from inside their bodies turns the same crystaline blue as power gems, and when we light up a power gem it turns the same yellow as our eyes? I think you could squish any light creature to create these gems

[faint hawk]

Wait so, dark stones are not the blue stones that can contain light?

[frigid tinsel]

the way they talk about Harpooner trying to make Angler "less anxious" is so

[keen widget]

there is one krill swimming with the big megladon centipede in the depths if you oob

[naive flare]

Wait so, dark stones are not the blue stones that can contain light?
@faint hawk i thought darkstones referred to red ones that drain light, its how theyre referred to in the wiki, i might be wrong sorry

[sage isle]

Uninstalling the game rn

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Its likely. I just DONT LIKE IT

[steep prawn]

don't worry you won't get near it as long as you don't oob into it LMAO

[faint hawk]

Oh okay, yeah I don't really know since I'm new to the sky lore

[boreal nebula]

I think nowhere in game they are called darkstones

Plus in forest there is a Lightminer and this crystals look pretty shiny blue to me

[keen widget]

aww, but they’re both so cute 🥺

[sage isle]

I can handle krill in the sky, but in the water? NOPE. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND

[frigid tinsel]

@faint hawk
corrupted darkstone are the red stones that suck out light. refined darkstone/power diamonds (name debated) are the blue gems we apply light to to power things.
we actually don't know what natural darkstone itself looks like.

[keen widget]

I gave it a nose boop and it was fine. I died of asphyxiation moments later but that was a me problem.

[sage isle]

note to self, make Naia for bait when in the abyss

[naive flare]

Yeah. Its likely. I just DONT LIKE IT
@hushed steeple honestly in this new season? I believe the mantas kept here are just being kept as activation switches for power gems (because we know you still need another light source to activate them) as otherwise why would they not just be immediately ground up in a refinery such as in the end of forest, so instead theyve been stuck in those little cages for longer than this place has been abandoned! :D

[steep prawn]

bait can turn the table by going near you while being spotted

[sage isle]

I think everyone needs therapy after this season.

[naive flare]

@faint hawk
corrupted darkstone are the red stones that suck out light. refined darkstone/power diamonds (name debated) are the blue gems we apply light to to power things.
we actually don't know what natural darkstone itself looks like.
@frigid tinsel ohhh ok thank you so much for the clarification!

[hushed steeple]

Thats. Slightly better?

[keen widget]

So, noob quesetion, what is the hypothesis on what causes a stone to turn dark?

[faint hawk]

Ah, I see!
To me it makes most sense that the blue crystals would be the natural form since we saw them collect some in abyss as well as the mining. But then again, who knows

[boreal nebula]

In shallow waters (i call that Baby Shark)

[sage isle]

personally? eden go kaboom.

[hushed steeple]

Note that the krill is black in the spirit final scene, its only white because of memory affect

[sage isle]

eden's diamond exploding is the main cause that leads to tons of problems in the world of sky

[keen widget]

So, kinda like nuclear meltdown, which corrupted some of the worlds and creatures (aka acid rain forest and polluted everything in wasteland with the run down factories?)

[sage isle]

yes! however, don't take my word for it. people in lore chat have other reasons too!

[naive flare]

Thats. Slightly better?
@hushed steeple well i mean, if we wanna get real angsty here, it’s possible that mantas that get squished get sent up to orbit and reincarnate, because sky kids leave behind their blue crystal corpses too, so possibly this being trapped like this is even worse

However if they d o n t get sent up to orbit, then you have to wonder if they have their existence trapped in these gems, the darkness waste thats left behind, or just have their conciseness destroyed forever

[keen widget]

I was just curious because in the game intro it said the “darkness came” suggesting an almost Stitch in Time or Dark Crystal outsider corruption

[sage isle]

meaning they could be darker in the deeper parts of the depths...sooo

which means..., camouflage...

[hushed steeple]

I still want to know why darkness came. Some old intros say “darkness blinds, so I cast them away” or “the spirit that made the mistake”

[keen widget]

Ooo, so the intro has changed over time

[sage isle]

so, a spirit could've caused a problem too?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. But those intros prolly aint canon no more

[faint hawk]

I wonder if the intros are different in different languages

[keen widget]

Fascinating

[sage isle]

how would a ghost cause a problem THAT huge?

[ember elbow]

you can see the elder room with all the statues on the way to orbit

[hushed steeple]

The spirit that made the mistake one is an old version of the Japanese one

[naive flare]

I still want to know why darkness came. Some old intros say “darkness blinds, so I cast them away” or “the spirit that made the mistake”
@hushed steeple the eden explosion (no ones fully sure why THAT happened unfortunately) caused the majority of corruption, but producing darkstones also seems to cause darkness water residue which also corrupts things

[keen widget]

TGC should have a folklorist and anthropologist on staff to write official lore so we can all decode it better.

[sage isle]

also, another thing. OUR SKY KID CAN BLINK NOW?!

[boreal nebula]

Maybe mantas light waa used as an infinite source of oxygen (there is s WL underwater who refill me light and oxygen)

And yeah... I oobed inside the acquarium fearing to have no way to refill my meter but its full of bubbles there

[sage isle]

did- did you oob into there?-

[hushed steeple]

Theres an underwater WL?

I only found the tower one

[faint hawk]

I oob in there too

[sage isle]

there's WL?

[naive flare]

Maybe mantas light waa used as an infinite source of oxygen (there is s WL underwater who refill me light and oxygen)

And yeah... I oobed inside the acquarium fearing to have no way to refill my meter but its full of bubbles there
@boreal nebula oh yeah! Because getting light gives us air as well, so are they using this air for anything? It is just a side product? Does it contain amounts of light that they harvest?

[boreal nebula]

Hard to spotm I was very lucky with my assembly spotlight

[faint hawk]

honking gives air btw
Big honk/call, that is

[sage isle]

shouldn't that be the opposite

[naive flare]

shouldn't that be the opposite
@sage isle its only if a friend does it near you

Edit: Oh wait EWWW youre sharing airrr xD

[hushed steeple]

Sky stream? Go see if anything good is innit maybe.

[sage isle]

there's a stream going on?-

[boreal nebula]

Not only give us... mantas visibly generates lots of bubbles (maybe over long time), like plants too

[hushed steeple]

It ended 8 min ago. They usually don’t really have much lore :/

[sage isle]

rats. :(

[boreal nebula]

I wonder of this could be a skull or a contraption

[flat mist]

Wait there was lore?? TELL

[hushed steeple]

Its uploaded to the youtube so I might give it a watch in a bit

[sage isle]

we should ask for streams with more lore

[faint hawk]

By the way have you guys noticed that the water manta have blue on them? Pretty sure air mantas don't have that. Could just be a species thing, or something else

[flat mist]

Its- Its a rock.

[sage isle]

HAHA

[hushed steeple]

They would make up more things like they did with flight gangs favorite ice cream. I really did not care about their favorite icecream.

[compact shale]

What would this oxygen be needed for? Wasn't this place flooded and not always this deep underwater?

[sage isle]

I thought it was an old mining area that WASN'T flooded. not until eden kaboomed....

[keen widget]

So I was wondering about the timeline

[hushed steeple]

Abyss gang shows them in a water area, prolly flooded before final destruction

[sage isle]

my heads starting it hurt

[naive flare]

I thought it was an old mining area that WASN'T flooded. not until eden kaboomed....
@sage isle a lot of it was still covered in water, just not as much, it was still an island after all lol

[keen widget]

It seems as though the spirits we are reliving are intermediates between past (kaboom) and present (us)

[sage isle]

I suppose that is true-

[hushed steeple]

The spirits MEMORY is in the past, before they died.

The FREED spirit after you save them is present day

[boreal nebula]

Idk, we know nothing about VaultElder chemistry/periodic table mask. What could oxygen good for them?

[keen widget]

Since buildings are sunken and they are there afer the fact scavenging

[flat mist]

the door /gate thing you asked for

[naive flare]

The spirits MEMORY is in the past, before they died.

The FREED spirit after you save them is present day
@hushed steeple yes! Though i think their memories are still in that intermediate time period though

[sage isle]

maybe the elders visited the abyss? to check on things?

[sage isle]

so, what you're saying is. the spirits are contasntly in a time loop? like how Mono is in Little Nightmares 2?

[flat mist]

idk or its just a tablet bc it looks cool

[boreal nebula]

@hushed steeple about the underwater WL, I started at the base of the stairs before the acquarium
#screenshots-and-videos message

[naive flare]

so, what you're saying is. the spirits are contasntly in a time loop? like how Mono is in Little Nightmares 2?
@sage isle uhh dont get the reference sorry, but i believe how it works is after they died they left a memory behind and possibly become trapped in it? And after reliving the memory and giving light to them they return to their elder/seasonal guide and are able to go back to orbit and come back down and resume their existence as a peaceful spirit

[boreal nebula]

It is just a little bit visible, but pretty sure its the same (for how much I can remember of a blinding rebirth portal)

[sage isle]

I won't explain ln2 because I'd have to spoil the entire game. HOWEVER, that is what I meant. thank you, Holly

[boreal nebula]

@flat mist are you still in orbit?

[keen widget]

I kind of think of it not as a full fledged spirit but more like a residual thought energy. They are so attached to a moment or place that the energy stays in the environment after the person has long gone.

[boreal nebula]

It has weird holes/tunnels

[naive flare]

It has weird holes/tunnels
@boreal nebula rocks have those! :D

[sage isle]

residual thought energy?

[boreal nebula]

Ik, but sortof remind me of the "simple rock shelter" skull from GW graveyard

[naive flare]

residual thought energy?
@sage isle honestly i like the interpretation, ghosts and spirits are often bound to places because of their memories in life they left behind

[sage isle]

as someone who 100% believes in ghosts, I agree.

[keen widget]

Kind of like the saying that rocks and trees hold the memories of all that has happened around them. Or in certain societies it is believed that a loved object can almost gain a certain amount of live or anthropromorphic features through the amount of thought and energy placed in it by the living world.

[naive flare]

Ik, but sortof remind me of the "simple rock shelter" skull from GW graveyard
@boreal nebula ehe yeah dont mind me being cheeky, honestly it looked a little unnatural to me, but nature has done weirder stuff and it doesnt look explicitly like a skull or intentionally built object, so i dont want to really say one way or the other

[sage isle]

OHHHHHHHH. that makes more sense! thank you, Holly and Naia.

[flat mist]

Idk its just looks like a rock tbh

[sage isle]

I'm gonna go like lay down, my head is starting to hurt from all this lore. happy loring everyone!

[boreal nebula]

Btw, Trials leave not light beam at the return shrine (those now colored in each realm main theme) plus if you want to return inside them they are simply pointed as in "Sky"

Maybe a meta imperfection (they are in the big diagram/directory called Sky) but not in the same space-time as the 6 realms, subtle clue to the 4 of them being their own pocket dimension

[rigid mural]

In french we don't have location specific messages at all 😅

[tulip aspen]

that's really interesting I got to check that out thank you so much

[boreal nebula]

Infact its not too specific, you could be in Wind Paths or in Sanctuary and returnshrime would simply say in Hidden Forest or in Daylight Prairie

[tulip aspen]

any of us watching the livestream?

it's probably important that we do (I'm driving)

[compact shale]

the stream ended already, and apparently Cannonner protects the ship from dark creatures or something like that

that's what the harpoon is for

[frigid tinsel]

i watched/listened to it and threw in quotes as i saw fit

[tulip aspen]

you darned legend

[tulip aspen]

did we get an exact quote on "dark creatures"

if they say anything of the sort i think it'll be really important we have that

[frigid tinsel]

"[harpooner] protects the ship from dark creatures" iirc

[compact shale]

wonder if cannoneer can actually... you know, use a cannon

or if they just put that name there for the alliterative appeal

[harsh pecan]

If there are canons in Sky then maybe

[compact shale]

"HARPOONS ARE JUST TINY CANNONS"

-Cackling Cannoneer

[hushed steeple]

We all know nothing is canon in sky

[icy spruce]

because everything are cannons in Sky

[flat mist]

There is one cannon in ||office||

[harsh pecan]

But office is…

[flat mist]

Also, all of their emote upgrades are just ARSON

Fire profit wishes they were that cool ngl.
Also, Everything is a cannon if you try hard enough

[willow prawn]

Fire prophet is that cool, they're just not that chaotic
Dancing rhythmically is more their thing

[compact shale]

[hushed steeple]

Imagine what the sword could have been

[steep prawn]

monster hunters

[hushed steeple]

Rathalos.

[compact shale]

Shrimp Cleaver

[hushed steeple]

Shrimp striker

[south badger]

that looks like the wasteland sword in the ground at battlefield … kinda makes u wonder…

[hushed steeple]

[supple agate]

Tbh

I kiiiiiiinda want a sword

[south badger]

i want a sword and i want to swing it around

[supple agate]

I could see it tbh

Use the same controls as the lantern item

[keen shore]

I want to be able to throw spears at krill. You thought I was tasty? Think again.

[supple agate]

Reminded me of an idea of like a “season of valor” I made up that added light combat elements

[sage isle]

I'm back

[fresh frigate]

Psst I have a question for ya’ll,

||Im sure most of you have seen the skull thats in the reef in season of abyss, the leviathan thats also in the abyss so far the head/skull of said leviathan is almost a perfect match to the one sitting on the reef, is it just me?||

[south badger]

skull?

[fresh frigate]

Skeleton yes,

[compact shale]

you're gonna want to send relevant pics tidey

[fresh frigate]

YES I wouLD But I’m KINDA BUSY ATM

ill pop over into abyss and grab a pic in a minute after grandma

[south badger]

i’m gonna go search 👀

[fresh frigate]

It shouldnt be too hard to find, its quite a large skull

[compact shale]

I CAN GET YOU THE PICS YOU SENT ME

edit: oh you never actually sent the pic whoops

[fresh frigate]

Because i didnt have a proper pic of it

[tulip aspen]

I can get the a picture of the skull if y'all still need it

[compact shale]

Birdspeed, Jam!

[tulip aspen]

is it this?
now that i look at it that may not be a skull lolol

[south badger]

i don’t think i see a skull especially swimming around it all directions … it kinda seems like rocks to me ?

[compact shale]

yeahh...

[fresh frigate]

It looks like a skull that has been buried to me ngl, and we gotta keep in mind that erosion is also a thing

[tulip aspen]

I think it is a skull, but I also do agree that it is debatable as a topic

[compact shale]

Not sure if bones erode though... I know that fossilized bones are actually rocks, but still...

[fresh frigate]

Bones can erode, it just depends.

[south badger]

i’m having a hard time even deciphering a skull shape at all from it but maybe that’s just me … bones don’t necessarily erode the way rocks do but it depends on a lot of factors (salt content of water, etc)

[tulip aspen]

yes fruity bones do decay lol

[fresh frigate]

It also does depend on what bone it is aswell, teeth would take the longest to decay/erode

[keen shore]

If it is a skull I don’t think it’s a ||leviathan|| skull mostly because the murals only depict one of them in existence. If there was another it would probably be recorded as well. However, it could be another large creature

[south badger]

this is the only time where my expertise comes in as a mortician relating to sky LOL … even if it could be, the cavities in it don’t quite make sense just looking at the general shape

but ofc it could be, just not sure if i see it entirely

[fresh frigate]

Aye but sky really isnt about general realistic shapes it is debatable though.

[tulip aspen]

for me it had immediately popped out when i swam by it

[tulip aspen]

ur a mortician?????? :00000000

[south badger]

yup that’s why i always complain about having to work long hours instead of play sky LOL

[fresh frigate]

[keen shore]

I can’t really see a skull either honestly, especially considering the rock? formation behind it and the fact that the inside is one solid piece instead of hollow like a skull would be. It just doesn’t feel right?

[compact shale]

Yeah, it really doesn't.

[keen shore]

Plus if it’s a ||leviathan|| skull wouldn’t it have more eye sockets?

[south badger]

the only problem with that shape is that the bottom part of the “mouth” is very obviously part of a rock floor with sand … i def see what you mean w the shape i just am not entirely convinced… HOWVER i wish there was a very large epic skull

[fresh frigate]

I’m going to continue believing its a skull, looking at it it does seem like a rock, but personally i just have a very creative thought process

[south badger]

i think if it were a skull it would be neat for sure, i want to pretend it’s one just to feel the Vibe of the Area lol

[keen shore]

The not being hollow I can sort of excuse because several light creatures have solid stone faces, as shown here and here, and considering we don’t know if these have inner body bits at all aside from skeletons maybe they just don’t have a brain and it’s just a solid mass of sentient light in there. But the shape is still off, as is the odd lump of stone? behind it

[south badger]

taking the other side for sake of discussion though, it’s not really just erosion that’s in question, but also what kind of animal (because different bone structures) and what happened to said animal… a sad ending could mean weird holes or cavities that might not make sense

[willow prawn]

Funny! I thought you were an accountant

[rigid mural]

Dismiss:

[compact shale]

What is the head crest for

[keen shore]

Jousting.

[sharp lichen]

To look good? They must have grinded a lot to get that ult

[rigid mural]

Hornbill beaks have a distinct feature called a casque, which can range from a subtle ridge along the top of the bill to a knob or a large bulky structure. ... Casques can add strength or counterweight to the bills (handy when chiseling in bark or hard soil) or act as sound chambers to augment vocalizations.

[sage isle]

do y'all think the area was also a village or

[burnt cove]

@sage isle no, it was not a village.

[sage isle]

r a t s.

[thorny folio]

The new abyss one? No I think a factory maybe with live in quarters

[sage isle]

thank you goatking and egglet. :D

[compact shale]

Could be a factory, or maybe a research facility/lab of some sorts...

[fallow arrow]

so i was running through wasteland with a moth friend and i realised that the area where we first meet the krill has the same layout as the elder temple in hidden forest which means that the area we went through was a factory and i didnt notice that until now

[keen shore]

Quick question, if there are light creature skeletons are there ancestor skeletons as well? Like I know light creatures aren’t supposed to leave skeletons behind but if an ancestor died in an unnatural way like in battle in GW wouldn’t they leave a skeleton too??

[fallow arrow]

thats a good point. i actually have no idea because i havent seen any ancestor skeletons in gw

[compact shale]

I don't know... maybe including those would change the game rating? Or maybe what we know about ancestor anatomy might be wrong...

[thorny folio]

counter theory: boneless

[keen shore]

Them being boneless is fine but why would ancestors be boneless and nothing else would??

[thorny folio]

Mantas don’t leave skeletons, could be boneless

(I mostly said boneless as a joke but…)

[keen shore]

Isn’t there a manta skeleton in vault with the memory whisperer?

[thorny folio]

Oh yup lol nvm I stand corrected

Anywho I still say the ancestors do not have bones

[livid pelican]

Yeah cuz they're spirits

[willow prawn]

I think the area is a factory/mining area mix

[keen shore]

My idea is that maybe the light draining process affects the creatures ability to disintegrate or combust or whatever happens and boom, decomposing body

[thorny folio]

Real serious talk: maybe the ancestors whole beings get dissolved? Since they came from the stars specifically

[livid pelican]

I mean, you can see us gradually dissolving when we stand in the golden wasteland water for too long.

[fallow arrow]

also, is the ark in gw (not the seasonal one) an ark used to transport diamonds across the different realms? i see many of those yellow diamond shaped objects that have a similar pattern and texture to that of the disk on the ceiling of the temple in hf. if it is an ark used to transport diamonds and stuff of the sort, is it safe to assume that the ark was attacked or somehow damaged (maybe by krill or some large light creature??) since the spirits there imply that they were alive after the ark had broken down. the spirits in gw imply overall that some ancestors were alive when krill were around. does anyone have a theory as to how krill came to be?

[keen shore]

I feel like that’s what’s supposed to happen to light creatures as well, considering they also came from the stars, but I’m not really sure what changed