lore-discussion-spoilers

[compact shale]

What with your body? I know you use your face for some non manual grammar somethings but body?

And skykids faces are the least flexible part of us

[frigid tinsel]

sign language incorporates not just hands but facial expressions, broad gestures, and body movements.

[tulip aspen]

there's often hip motions and moving around

[keen shore]

Imagine if the only reason spirits project a physical form beyond the star in their chests is so they can chat with us via sign language

[frigid tinsel]

on that note, I been wondering why ancestors wear inert, expressionless masks. incomplete thought cos headache. perhaps the masks are intended to block out facial expressions as to curb the impulse to read body language since body language, especially facial expressions, are highly prone to misinterpretation

[thin dirge]

Or could be reflex

Im fun at parties

[keen shore]

The navigator spirit even has a cape specially colored so you can see what they’re doing with their arms from far away (usually to signal boats I assume) now that I’m thinking about it. It’s possible that spirits used sign language more than speaking out loud, especially with how much of a pain it would be to speak with a heavy stone mask on your face

I need to sleep it’s nearly midnight where I am

[tulip aspen]

i play the sax and guitar at parties so i can be nerdy as i want and still look cool ehehe

[compact shale]

👁️👄👁️

Why would you not want to read body language?

[frigid tinsel]

because it can be easily misinterpreted. there's all these articles out there about what way your spouse hold their arms determines if they're lying or not and other bunkum, but even if there was some science behind mass-interpreting body language, everyone is so individualized in who they are and how they express and hold themselves that it's hard to say for a fact what type of a body language will 100% correspond to some emotion for every nor even most humans.

then there's these odd social norms about body language that people will take as more evident than the words coming out your mouth or the skills you have. you could be the most talented and apt person for a job, but an employer won't hire you cos during the interview you put your hands on the table and they viewed that as "being aggressive" thus didn't get you the job. it's ridiculous.

add the fact that neurodiverse people's body language don't always correspond to neurotypical people's interpretation of body language, so neurodiverse folk are often misinterpreted and even maligned because their body language is partially unreadable or doesn't correspond with their emotions the way neurotypical folk expect. I, for instance, have a "flat affect," meaning I don't natively use a lot of facial expressions and talk monotonously most of the time. I've learned to emulate facial and verbal expressions to match the tone of the conversation or the emotion I'm feeling convey, but it's tiring. however, if I don't, people think I'm cold and unfriendly or even lying about what I'm talking about. Why are my words not enough?

removing at least one form of body language, here being facial expressions, would mean that ancestors would rely more on the spoken word, whether putting more emphasis on the truth of what people are saying or being more deliberate with their language, rather than having their brains misinterpret the meaning of a facial expression and think their partner has an ulterior motive.

[compact shale]

Guess so

Yeah, good question. Why aren't words enough? Especially in things like debates

Anyways we should probably go back to sky lore before this becomes too off topic

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps skykids wear masks because it's more familiar to the ancestors. but even if a skykid chose to go maskless, they don't have a face to make facial expressions that'd either confuse or frighten the ancestors.

[hushed steeple]

https://youtu.be/zpgn8U5Ug8M

“The character has just shared a holy candle with the ancient elder spirit. So they where able to briefly regain consciousness”

[frigid tinsel]

quote at 5:10

[split stone]

lore moment.

is this the old crabs?????

[compact shale]

Now that I'm seeing this again, these crabs look suspiciously like... bells. Maybe failed bells in the dumpster became corrupted by darkness and animated into these boiis?

[rigid mural]

Hermit crabs stealing bells

[harsh pecan]

Wait are the red dots eyes?

[lofty void]

Yeah, seems like it

[split stone]

guardian moment (from botw it just looks so similar)

[harsh pecan]

._.

[lofty void]

don’t you mean ….._…..

[harsh pecan]

yes

[tulip aspen]

too bad im going to write an entire lecture about Deaf American culture and post it in 8 different 2000 letter-each messages

[tulip aspen]

the captions say "spirit ancestor" for some reason, while chan just says "an ancient spirit" as a general statement

absolutely bias of me but i wouldn't take it to heart at all

[pastel brook]

I don't know if they're watching tho...

[compact shale]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[tulip aspen]

oh HELL NAH

ASH
I KNOW IT WAS ONE OF YOU

[true grove]

Skybot needs noone else

[dire flint]

I feel like suffocation cause the cave in and no path to Oxygen and that Carbon Monoxide poisoning as common to miners that's why they carry canaries or mice

I think it's cool how we are reliving the memories of the souls then guiding them towards the elders probably to be reborn

[tulip aspen]

@rigid mural there are mountains that were there in the past at isle
we cant know their condition now that they are covered by the storm, but perhaps the storm blew the caps of some of them off towards the coastline and the debris weathered into dunes of sand over the century(ies), covering the ruins and any past notion of the society that lived there in a layer of dust

is that a homeshrine, or a meditation shrine?

if it's the former, it brings up that fun convo again, but i still think the ancestors would have used the home shrine for something... prolly less teleport-y

[tulip aspen]

.......omg they are bells

wth
they're.... living evil bells...?

wait
fr
wth are we supposed to do with that visual
the hek am i supposed to say about that

we cant reasonably explain whatever that is what
give me evidence

[compact shale]

Just a lil headcanon but maybe there is a dumpster for failed experiments with darkstone and failed bells and such and the darkness interacted with the bells and animated them into these crabbi abominations

[dire flint]

As if crabs weren't evil enough they release hermitcrabs

[tulip aspen]

ohhhh
okay if they're using the bells as shells (lol rime) that makes a lot more sense

[dire flint]

She sells Crab Bells by the Crab shore

[tulip aspen]

i really hope they actually add a variety of darkness creatures to the game

snakes should highkey be added to wasteland, idc

[dire flint]

I feel like most enemy creatures are nautical and from the ocean maybe Sea snake

[compact shale]

That's pretty cool too!

Hey Jam, there's this concept art of this dark creature that looks like No-Face but bigger, it might be made of dark sludge? would you like that?

[tulip aspen]

you mean the og krill, or something else
do you have a pic of it if u were meaning something else?

[tulip aspen]

in the concepts darkness was alive, it was much more tangible as a threat because it was some kind of actual hivemind force just like the Light

i don't believe that's the case canonically past launch because they stopped trying to make it about a dark vs light as some sort of good vs evil or balance of the universe

now, light just represents life, and darkness just represents what can make us lose sight of what life is about

now, darkness is distraction
it's looking away from what matters, losing sight of what's important

we see that in the technology, we see that forced upon the creatures of the land as the kingdom bears it's consequences yet still arrogantly marches onward with it's goals

we see that in all the lost souls we need to save, as we help them recall, and they have to understand why it was important they lived and struggled

but expression wise, i think it's most present and obvious in the krills
they drift aimlessly in the same patterns, expecting something to change, longing to feel the warmth of the light again
they crave and they desire but even if they get what they want it's all in vain, because nothing can save them from what they've become

if the krill really are zombified light creatures then honestly that explains everything and just gives so much connection to everything else that is lost in the Kingdom

sure, it might not explain other Darkness creatures and monsters especially if they someday add more to the game, but for now, I like this simplistic picture, because as it is in this metaphor the darkness would already appear so potent and terrifying

[keen shore]

I desperately want to talk about lore but I don’t have anything to talk about 😔

what I will say is I like how we aren’t given any concrete knowledge on what darkness is in game just because it makes it a lot more scary. I do kind of wish we had outside game knowledge on it, though

[hushed steeple]

I havent looked at or analyzed moon glyphs yet

[tulip aspen]

whats a moon glyph

[tulip aspen]

you can read up on it I guess through all the different lore documents and live stream quotes
that is indeed not as fun as actually just talking about it though

[boreal nebula]

Another thing that I realize only now: in a mine they usually dig from top to bottom so the holes on the ceiling probably were already there (explaining the function of that stairs)

Afterall there are holes with the same kind of slope/steep even in Prairie too, a sort way to even get more natural lighting inside a cave

[boreal nebula]

Me too, I'd like to know about "moon glyphs". Where are they?

[hushed steeple]

Nickname for old murals in vault

Theres one for every realm and some are very odd! Two people with hats in the rain? Who could they be?

[orchid jolt]

but isnt going out of the way to explore technically a distraction from the main goal of sky? doesnt sky encourage curiosity and exploration even if it means getting to eden later than you would without the distractions? Arent the seasons distractions from the base game of sky?

[boreal nebula]

When the trailer was released I thought they were spiders (with all those eyes I wondered if that's how they would actually look like beside how the Earth Prophet masks depicts them)

But recently I discovered the Kabuki Dancer, the one in the Forest Brook tunnel, has a mask called Crab Mask.. so I am not sure which the creature could be, just a crab or a spider (or even some middle species close to both?)

[boreal nebula]

Pretty! I never saw it in any Old Beta videos I watched

[orchid jolt]

i would like to point out that in celebration of the nintendo release, they made link hair and an ocarana, and those crabs look alot like the guardians in botw. I just want to point out that it could be just a reference. i dont think its just a reference, but it could be.

[tulip aspen]

no?
the goal is to save all the spirits left in the kingdom, even the ones who (were/are) hidden behind the stormclouds

are you referring to the distraction theory?

[orchid jolt]

even if we accept that part, what about all of the new social light places that encourage us to explore and stop for a bit (aka a distraction from eden or whatever). and yes im reffering to the darkness being distraction idea

[hushed steeple]

Hang on im gonna find the whale from dragonquest 11 because boy howdy does it make my point sky stuff is common

[orchid jolt]

im not saying darkness isnt distraction or whatever, im just pointing out that distractions aren't neccissarily bad (which would also apply to darkness in your interpretation). I dont like the idea of darkness automatically being bad or whatever.

[hushed steeple]

Like look at this sucker and say its not the same thing

[orchid jolt]

leaked photo of Teth's friend

[tulip aspen]

saving the spirits is darkness?

I will refer to the player projection Theory and the multiplayer is Canon Theory with this but bonding with your fellow sky kids is extremely important in my opinion because without that family and that teamwork and just generally not being alone, I think that would be the thing that truly makes us lose sight of our mission

[orchid jolt]

i just pointed out social light spaces. those arent spirits.

social light spaces are places where we litterally are encouraged to stop and take a break from our journey. A DISTRACTION FROM OUR JOURNEY

[hushed steeple]

Hey! Breaktime is always part of a job!

A good one that is.

[orchid jolt]

im saying its a distraction. not that it isnt good. i think there are good distractions and bad ones as well.

[boreal nebula]

Well said
Btw I think only now they drift aimlessly since they are starving (color blue could be a sign maybe of they painful hunger) because in the moment they see us they activate their primal instict of fighting/hunting. In the graveyard Survivor we see the light of a krill as red.

Maybe it's not only a simple way to highlight red as a dangerous color, but also because krills had more active role in their hunts (pretty sure no krill has the same circling route as the krill in that cutscene)

[hushed steeple]

Its breaktime! Skykids gather on steel beams and open their lunch baskets, in the form of cosmetics.

[keen shore]

Sorry to distract but I just realized something I’d like to quickly mention before I forget.

So krills were light creatures corrupted by the disaster(tm) right, but we see spirits like the stealthy survivor reacting to them. This proves spirit memories could be created some time after the disaster though not all are
so… basically what I’m saying here is with the current idea everyone was killed instantly or almost instantly from the heavy amounts of darkness/corruption in the disaster spirit memories don’t have to be formed when they were alive if that makes sense? this made more sense in my brain

[orchid jolt]

also, arent spirits considered to be more like creatures of darkness than creatures of light? (at least in the concept art)

[keen shore]

this made me think that when sleeping skykids hang upside down like bats.. if they even need to sleep

[hushed steeple]

Also, krill appear in prophecy mural! So they existed even before Princes corruption!

[orchid jolt]

prophet of air stance when laying down

[tulip aspen]

97% of the time we aren't exactly saving spirits are we

instead we're just grabbing wax from random candles, throwing it at spirits, and then dripping off their wigs

fruity and I already have deduced that it takes a long time for more storm clouds to fade away and reveal more spirits to us

right now in between season we are just sitting around waiting

[hushed steeple]

My current theory is that the accidental creation of krill was what got darkstone banished in the first place.

[orchid jolt]

i mean. i like that idea but like, its a phrophecy. id say better evidence would be the one on the ark

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, but its still a depiction of that time, that most likely came true.

[keen shore]

Ohhh this is very interesting… I remember that now but I never really connected it in my head if that makes sense. It means either they saw krills in the future because, well, they’re prophets OR light creatures getting corrupted was a problem from the start of the world

[orchid jolt]

i mean it could be a phrophecy of them coming into being at some point. not that they existed then

[hushed steeple]

Also Ash says the into had the same meaning from the launch of the game......but that brings into question BEFORE the launch of the game when we had “darkness blinds so I cast them away” and “you lost your family little twerp” (paraphrased)

[orchid jolt]

or traveling to eden to die every week. but i will say that its not like the social light spaces only open when we saved every spirit, so they can be a DISTRACTION from finding spirits for a moth

[tulip aspen]

i think the red color is just a gameplay mechanic, meanwhile we see blue light in darkness plants; blue light in darkness represents captured and corrupted light

also idk about a "fighting/hunting mode"
i dont think they are actual creatures in that sort of way, they are confirmed to be corrupted (and likely light creatures as animals dont really exist)

[hushed steeple]

Yeah it was white before they realized they should not use gaurdian color again

[boreal nebula]

Imho they existed dormant shrudded in darkness, maybe just feeding out of the lightforce from clouds, but when the civilization sprouted there was so muvh jiucing lightforce in other darkplaces, so maybe they migrated (before or after the disaster) and even grew by all the light thr fed upon

Prophecy Cave could have maybe predicted their forcoming!

[orchid jolt]

oh also, since when was darkness a hivemind? if anything it was like hollow knight where light (or the radiance) was the hivemind and the darkness (or the pale king) was the provider of individuality.

[hushed steeple]

That actually makes sense! Since the Manta tee we see came from a distant land with the traveling family.

[boreal nebula]

For example the strange things stucked on the wood of the shipwreck sort of remind me of smaller krills tales *tail

[orchid jolt]

also, sorry if i sound rude or whatever. im bad at tone

[ember elbow]

just popping in here to dump a thought

would you guys think that the planet sky is on was originally mostly water covered? yknow. Before stuff went down.

The animals (excluding butterflys and birds) are all aquatic based. Even the Switch creature looks like it could swim with that load on its back. Not to mention all the boats. In the trailer we do see it mainly travelling on land but oh those are a LOT of rivers leading to Isle of Dawn.

Yes, the boats and critters can fly through the sky as well. I guess I just keep thinking about how many of them appear from under the water and the few vague thoughts some of the devs shared about GW being full of water pre-collapse and the massive shipwreck being RiGhT ThErE

[hushed steeple]

“Lets take sea stuff and put it up” is a common emotional theme of sky. Totally :]

[tulip aspen]

for my enlightenment theory about how ascension works i think it's part of the journey

interacting with other skids is meaningful
we grow with that, we learn things, we find happiness in that

i dont think it was meaningless, and i certainly dont think it was a distraction

when you think about it, since we really havent saved all the spirits yet, until we do, there's no full purpose of going to eden

so technically, the moth's journey is just... for themself
it's their own self discovery, and honestly a distraction from gaining spirits to save!
and moreso on that, the more friends you make and enjoy the company of and care for, the more meaningful ascension will be, as you see their names swimming in the Sky

interaction is extremely important to the moth's journey

admittedly however, i am very passionately biased about this, because i think moths should take their time going to eden, and that players shouldnt speed through each realm first and then take it all in after they died

that's why I've always advocated that moths should have to save all base game spirits in order to travel through Eden's gate

[ember elbow]

im almost wondering if those clouds are the remains of most of the sea water evaporating in some super hot event

idk

like pure light going kablam

edit: because slow mode. 🐌
New headcannon. isle of dawn is made of not sand, but SALT. /j

[orchid jolt]

I never said the distraction was meaningless. i just said it was a distraction from just heading for eden (or gathering spirits). i think distractions can be good or bad.

[tulip aspen]

understandable, but my point still works lolol

[tulip aspen]

no, just lacking of light lol

[boreal nebula]

Yes that hunt/fight mode could be a stretch.

In plants I consider the color blue as a sign of all the lightforce they have stored inside which is painfully slowly digested

When we return and the plant is regenerates they lost that glow, but they are not completely dead (unless you watch at the tiny dead bulbs on tbe vase a the end of Sweating Spirit )

[orchid jolt]

i didnt say they are creatures of darkness, just that they are closer to being creatures of darkness than being creatures of light.

[tulip aspen]

zhao's concept didn't express an anti-light on the right side of his graph, just moreso a thematic of lacking light or being apart from light

ah, the age old convo kami

[hushed steeple]

Its not darkness, it is indifference. I guess you could say indifference is a part of darkness. But I think its a different type from what corrupted creatures got.

[orchid jolt]

i didnt mean for it to sound like me disputing your point. i just wanted to show how darkness isnt automatically evil in that interpretation. I like the idea of darkness not neccissarilly being bad and try to point out evidence for this.

[orchid jolt]

.... i just said that i didnt mean that they are creatures of darkness, just that they are closer to darkness than they are to light

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah darkness isnt inherently evil for sure

but personally i dont think that means it's good either, as part of some balance or something like people say

[hushed steeple]

They actually do seem happy and caring, and charge you when you come close though. Ancestors current game are light based, I would say.

Despite still having cool and indifferent color tones

[orchid jolt]

thats what i meant.

[tulip aspen]

perhaps they were once turned into creatures of darkness during the concept stage, but now it's become more intricate than that stereotype

[hushed steeple]

Yeah Tsadi

[orchid jolt]

i never said they arent light based or whatever, just that they are often shown being closer to pure darkness than pure light on a spectrum in concept art

[hushed steeple]

I guess that cool side includes dark stone. Thats a dark thing. :/ but im not sure that cool color side actually represents the same kind of darkness.

Its all about how caring vs how unemotional things are. But not about how actually dark or light they are......but yeah, I can’t say the themes of care and indifference are not directly tied to light and dark.

[orchid jolt]

i was saying that they are closer to the darkness than they are to light. like how the number 2 is closer to the number 3 than it is to -3 on a number line. the positive side doesnt just mean "3". but 2 is still closer to 3 than it is to -3.

[tulip aspen]

yeah the graph was meant to symbolical color spectrum wise, rather than physical

[hushed steeple]

:[ maybe you should use smaller numbers for my lil pea brain kidding kidding not actually offended

[tulip aspen]

i really like that simile :0

[hushed steeple]

Brbrbrb. So a darkness progression. Without crossing the line.

[orchid jolt]

also, i dont think the darkness was ever a hive mind thing. i mean, if it was a being made of minds connected than why is darkstone said to have something to do with isolation while light is the connection deal? I mean, I dont think megabird is a hive mind entity (though we could have different definitions of what a hive mind is) either, or ever really was.

i think i did a bad job trying to communicate my thoughts just now.

also, what multiplayer theory did you mean? was it - was it the one i (think I) made (its possible someone else had it before me) about each sky kid having their own "sky world" to save but being able to help each other in eachother's quest to save the world(s) of sky? (like how with the sacrifice statues we can help eachother get to them but no one can save the statues for the other sky kids.)

[hushed steeple]

I always think of the darkness as instinctual. Its not evil for animals to strive for their existence. It is evil to pick being instinct when you are a sentient being.

[orchid jolt]

so everyone who wants to "return to monke" is bad? /j

[hushed steeple]

If they want to partake in true mokne activities, I would be very concerned

[orchid jolt]

monke activity one: existing.

[hushed steeple]

maybe some other activities sentient people really should not partake in

[orchid jolt]

biological waste products should not be kept near you and should be moved away from near you. throwing is relativly efficient.

[hushed steeple]

Going a bit off topic, but uh, maybe don’t touch it to begin with.

MY POINT BEING

Darkness causes trained animals to only hunt their entire existence, it removes identity.

[tulip aspen]

no, the mp is canon theory, that all of us were collectively sent by the Sky to save the spirits

[orchid jolt]

makes more sense i guess.

[orchid jolt]

https://futurism.com/why-you-can-never-actually-touch-anything

fun fact, im distracting us from the main conversation. guess im a creature of darkness now.

[hushed steeple]

Im not going to debate the hygiene of touching things . In one of the early IGN demo previews Jenova says “you start as a child of shadow” it was when you start as a burnt matchstick. When you get lit he says “you gain a bit more identity”

That whole idea as starting without light was kicked out the window in favor of instant star babies

[orchid jolt]

in the new season of [insert something here], meet the new dark creature

[hushed steeple]

It can only attack you with mass theories

[orchid jolt]

or extreme stupidity

[tulip aspen]

mass theories
extreme stupidity
.....im..... a dark creature?

[orchid jolt]

i mean, it does absorb light...

[hushed steeple]

Im a total rad light creature with lore lazer beams eat that punks.

[orchid jolt]

yum. photosynthesis via endosymbiosis with cyanobacterium.

[keen shore]

I’m trying to scan over this conversation and get spirit lore tidbits from ts hints at same time, I’ll respond to everything in a bit sorry
I’m also debating doing the ts hint list Google doc because I don’t think it exists yet which is surprising

[orchid jolt]

oh thats why i got on lore chat... i forgot that i came here to ask what the hints were and to see if there was a hint doc... i guess i got distracted, lol

[keen shore]

Relatable, I always say to myself “I’ll just quickly check lore chat real quick” and then get stuck in it for like an hour discussing stuff

[hushed steeple]

I lost faith in TS hints when they said BOOGIE kid was the aspiring musician instead of whats his face headphones

[tulip aspen]

pretty sure all ash has said is that they dont mind meeting friends; they only gave one hint on monday

[keen shore]

They can both be aspiring musicians, maybe they want to take after their older sibling
And nope we just got a bunch of ts hints I think they’re over now though

[orchid jolt]

#general-sky-discussion message

[hushed steeple]

But RIP whats her face confettii

[keen shore]

they missed two hints - their favorite animal is a manta and they don’t like desserts
I’m not trying to guess who it is I’m just gathering info for spirit lore tbh

[orchid jolt]

wait, wasnt boogie kid the one who's memory had the guitar person? plus if someone is already a musician, then i dont they they count as being an aspiring musicain

[hushed steeple]

Headphones tried leaning guitar. Boogie just boogies. It woulda been so perfect if for once a ts hint actually matched the backstory

[orchid jolt]

very helpful, thx. so i think its rallying thrillseeker

[keen shore]

I prefer it being extra information, we know next to nothing about most of their backstories other than a 5 min long at most spirit memory and their names so I always enjoy extra info

[hushed steeple]

Yeah but its pretty much randomly said for giggles. Doesnt actually fit their context

Since it could give it away

[keen shore]

It gives us more ideas as to their character and whatnot which I like

[orchid jolt]

tried to learn or successfully learned?

[hushed steeple]

So far just halfhazardly picked up an instrument

And tried before his papa came to give pointers

[tulip aspen]

@orchid jolt, if you havent seen it yet

"-never shy to meet new people
-a bit of a showoff
-only eat health foods
-reminds u to brush ur teeth for a gleaming smilepKrillBEAN
-says a minty fresh breath is the best
-didn’t skip leg day
-able to see beyond the 4th wall and see the player behind the skykid
-has really good hearing
-afraid of failure
-always early to appointments
-a social butterfly
-loves playing tag
-constantly moving, they can’t stay still
-does not like pastry/dessert
-Manta is their fav animal
-wishes to be known for their skills all across the realms
-gets by with the support of their friends"

--pandora in cozy just now

[orchid jolt]

wait, i think someone else already said this, but different people/spirits can have the same interests.

[tulip aspen]

def prolly bearhug

[hushed steeple]

Now imagine it ends up as a shy spirit like bookworm

[orchid jolt]

bearhug???

[tulip aspen]

o well idk xD

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Did the Ts hints change to actually be in context? Because otherwise its just a source of contradictions.

[orchid jolt]

to me, it really sounds like thrillseeker

[tulip aspen]

we've gotten them a million times already

[hushed steeple]

I guess we will see if it actually fits the spirit. But if it ends up a poor fit for their established character I will CACKLE.

[orchid jolt]

well, there was that spirit with muffin hints. the hints were from two different times they were the ts and fit together well.

[keen shore]

It’s really hard to tell because we don’t really get established characters except for maybe the flight spirits lol

Just for clarification the fourth wall hint is probably a joke unless it’s supposed to be a prophecy spirit and they have weird powers we don’t know about

[orchid jolt]

i mean, it is random sooooo just because we get them often doesnt mean they are any less likely to be the ts

[hushed steeple]

I mean you can tell the personality of some. Grouchy will be a poor fit for this for example

[hushed steeple]

It has not been random since they implemented extra props.

[ember elbow]

can anyone validate me ;3; i just want dreams skater LOL /HJ

[orchid jolt]

... the kid?

[keen shore]

Dreams skater isn’t a spirit so it can’t be them, they’re just kind of… there? I guess

For the ts hints document is it okay if I just type them out instead of screenshotting everything? Don’t have enough storage for all those photos

[orchid jolt]

? what?

(my messege kept being deleted when i just responded with "?")

[ember elbow]

Wait- isnt there a spot where you "practice" with the dreams skater? not gonna lie, i thought that meant they had rewards like the other spirits since it was a quest with only her and not any others

alas. i was not here for dreams ;3;

sobs. the cape. THE CAAAAPE

[orchid jolt]

i mean, probably. depending on the device ur using, you might be able to just use the snipping tool to capture a portion of the screen and then you can jsut "CTRL + V" and paste it without having to save it.

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Dreams

[tulip aspen]

yes it does because that's how a roll of the dice works

[orchid jolt]

you could also i guess link to the discord hint messeges.

[ember elbow]

now i understand why that person in gen chat told me i should save my paycheck for therapy instead QuQ

dont worry it made me laugh

[orchid jolt]

common misconception. if you roll a dice 3 times, it is less unlikely that it will land on a 4 each time than if you rolled the dice once. HOWEVER, if you roll the dice once and land on a four, then roll it again and land on a four, if you roll it one more time you are just as likely to get a 4 on that roll as you were for the other rolls.

[compact shale]

Hm, I've created a theory about that

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

it's just as possible, but luck doesn't work that woay

wheres is that quote from

[orchid jolt]

think of this riddle thing, https://www.riddlesandanswers.com/v/232478/there-are-three-doors-in-front-of-you-new-car-waits-behind-one-of-them-goat-is-hidden-behind-each/

i dislike this riddle as you choosing to keep your original choice still brings it to 50/50. as you are still choosing between only 2 doors even if your choice is the same as it was when there were 3 doors. basically, im saying the riddle's answer is wrong and being able to change your choice is what makes it 50/50 rather than actually changing your choice bringing it to 50/50

[ember elbow]

this riddle has ruined friendships between mathmaticians no joke 🥲

[compact shale]

Is juggling axes a show-off of something?

[orchid jolt]

ignoring paranormal/whatever category luck falls into, it is just as likely to be the thrillseeker than any other spirit (i do realize you kinda said that with "it's just as possible")

[compact shale]

Uhhh i found it in the Canon lore doc that's all i know but i think it's from the livestream

[hushed steeple]

They been matching the extra prop items with spirits who fit them

[orchid jolt]

the thing is, bearhug hid from other spirits rather than showing that idea off (also, was that ever confirmed? the axe juggling i mean)

[compact shale]

Eh, I guess so, most of the traits fit a traveling performer better so...

And if you count Ash's reacts as a confirm. Yes

[ember elbow]

new hint. the TS is ticklish.

[compact shale]

Hmmm. Okay. No spirit has taught us how to tickle, so we can't run around testing it.

[orchid jolt]

new hint: #general-sky-discussion message

[tulip aspen]

drats

and people wonder why Canon lore doc sux /hj

[orchid jolt]

i mean, the spirit nodes are high up for the thrillseeker, but they probably use the geyser's blast to get so high up. then again, its still one jump if they use the geyser.

[distant turtle]

Dreams skater is still my #1 fave tho. Their parent or sibling or something was the quest giver.

[tulip aspen]

that high; ssuuure, but.... that far?

it shows them so far out, away from any geysers

hmm

does anyone know what it looks like they're doing in their statue versions during the memory, way up there?

[compact shale]

They're called Thrillseeker for a reason

@distant turtle we've once deduced that the goal of Dreams was to help the other spirits (the 4 dreams spirits +QG) remember the dream and not to fulfill Skater Girl's dream

[distant turtle]

I think maybe thrill seeker was a manta watcher, not a flier?

[orchid jolt]

? they are almost always directly above the geysers

[distant turtle]

Their dream was to help the skater too!

[orchid jolt]

also, new hint: #general-sky-discussion message

i guess its not the thrillseeker then.../j

[orchid jolt]

i dont think that being the goal of dreams was ever truly confirmed

[compact shale]

One time we found out that at the end of dreams it says "You witnessed how the dream came true."

Witnessed

Not help

The goal wasn't to fulfill the dream, it was to witness the whole thing

[distant turtle]

There were missions and all involving the spirits helping the skater to train. And then they are all spectating in the finale. So that's pretty self evident that their dream was to help their star performer to shine.

[hushed steeple]

Sky is more about witnessing than restoring anyway.

[compact shale]

I guess so. ||Though it did ruin Dreams for me... sorta||

[tulip aspen]

there's one where they are shown way over the ocean

[frigid tinsel]

i'd argue that Sky is about recovery rather than restoring but i'm tired

[tulip aspen]

we're helping the mom DONT FREAK OUT IM NOT FREIAING OUT

[compact shale]

Yeah that's what I think
It doesn't seem as impactful as the og thought unfortunately

[orchid jolt]

you mean the one by the 3 floating islands with the winged light?

[hushed steeple]

If it were about restoring, the lore would be more concrete. You can't fix anything if you don't know what broke.
You're reliving memories. You're helping spirits ascend, like leave this world behind in peace.
And we'd see something improving with each cycle we made through birth to Orbit.
Since nothing changes, we're not active agents here. We're just witnessing a ruined world.

[orchid jolt]

you can restore things without knowing what they are. you just will restore them incorrectly (its still technically restoring them)

[compact shale]

Ash did say we actually affected the Flight area tho

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

How do you know what's correct or incorrect in that case? What if we're interacting with the Sky world in a way that harms it?

[orchid jolt]

the one by the three floating islands is above a geyser

[orchid jolt]

you dont???? I was making a joke about how restoring something incorrectly is still technically restoring it

[orchid jolt]

which one?
https://youtu.be/rYWpq7EirvU

[hushed steeple]

Sorry! Sneepy brain is sneepy

[orchid jolt]

it's ok

[compact shale]

Rally's Manta suit might cushion, protecting from fall damage

Just kidding Thrillseeker gear is never OSHA approved, who knows if it actually works

(headcanon)

[orchid jolt]

? that's not what i was talkig about? i was more talking about how they got so high in the first place lol

[hushed steeple]

I just assumed when he pitooed into the sky a manta swoops by and catches him

Thats usually why I jump into gyzers

[compact shale]

I guess geysers are just that powerful, or they're as light as we are... Somehow

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Skykids and spirits can affect the world around them (ex. activate things and build structures). Though these changes are temporary as they reset after a while (daily or when the server merges, or when you leave the area and return). However when they work together, such as Forgotten ark, Assembly and Flight, these changes remain and may become permament.

So, perhaps there is a link to the spirits and the skykids. Perhaps the spirits have unfinished business and the skykids are helping them complete the projects or mission the spirits were trying to do. By doing that, the spirits could be able to move on, or even stick around for a bit to keep helping the skykids.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah to say skykids are not changing and benefiting the world and spirits is......missing a lot of the points of the game and seasons.

[tulip aspen]

....oh

well FINE

[orchid jolt]

thats what im saying? all of the nodes that are far away from the ground or water seem to be right above the geysers

[hushed steeple]

Mantanapping is a thing, sooo...

Mental image of the Thrillseeker parkouring and getting unexpectedly yeeted by a manta

[nimble ingot]

True and some skykids can get launched up into the air by mantas (android bug)

[tulip aspen]

bru

[hushed steeple]

Don't call me out this way /j

[compact shale]

I think we can restore, but only if we need to. In all those instances, we restored the structure because it was important to the spirits and their unfinished business. We aren't just gonna rebuild the kingdom anytime soon. Our job is to ascend the spirits.

[orchid jolt]

mental image of thrillseeker pretending to be a manta and having "borrowed" the questgiver's cape and just grabbing random moths

[hushed steeple]

My point exactly!

[frigid tinsel]

Restoration can mean to make better, though it has the connotation of bringing something ruined to it's original state
Recovery shares a similar connotation but it's better defined as making something better after a ruin but not in the same way as before.

so when I say skykids mission is recovery, we aren't restoring the Sky world to its former glory, we are making it better after the disaster.

[hushed steeple]

Aw man, poor scared baby moths

[compact shale]

Sanctuary: YOU CAN'T JUST KIDNAP CHILDREN WHAT ARE YOU DOING THATS A 100 MONEY FINE FOR DISTURBING THE PEACE AND TAMPERING WITH MY CAPE

[tulip aspen]

yes, their will and determination seems to be helped by the skykids, who give the spirits the power to materialize and construct things

a recap of whenever this happens:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HhoLFb3ygYzdlJ-MwUydZ8Jq7BuHBiMpOYhpwPOsJ34/edit?usp=drivesdk

[nimble ingot]

true, though to do that it looks like skykids must befriend the spirits first.
Since the spirits seem to be stuck in a loop of their memories, the skykids may have to do a little bit of work to get the spirits' attention.

[compact shale]

*poke *poke Oi, spirit, ya there?

[hushed steeple]

It happened when I was on iphone and same on switch.

[hushed steeple]

Can totally imagine a moth doing this and now I wanna see fanart

[nimble ingot]

lol, if the spirits could be animated, it would look funny seeing them do their thing and the skykids try to get their attention, but end up phasing through the spirist.

[orchid jolt]

sky kid: [lights spirit on fire] hello?

[hushed steeple]

We can hug the Grandma now

[compact shale]

Apparently crouching spirits (even ones that you've already relived) will turn their necks and look at you

TGC... I don't think that's the kind of thing you should code in
...

[orchid jolt]

if an ancestor were alive in sky now, they'd quickly become a spirit with a stop, drop, and roll emote

[nimble ingot]

Are you serious!?
I am going to see which ones do that, oh my word. o.o

[compact shale]

Not my pic but
Lmao

[orchid jolt]

Pleaful Parent: I have krilled many crabs and am now in search of a new creature to hunt, you'll work perfectly.

[compact shale]

Roasted long crab (definitely not hiding the fact that I roasted my savior)

[nimble ingot]

ooh, that one had to be a tough one to get.
That spirit is one of the hardest ones to do, in my opinion. Mostly because of the 4 krill that would cross paths, crabs and the time limit.
I wonder some times if the devs would consider either lengthening the time limit, or even remove the time limit because of the krill.
The dismiss spirit no longer has a time limit and that is a very nice change given how annoying the krill is. To think one krill would misbehave so often makes things 10 time harder with Pleaful Parent

[tulip aspen]

the krill are very avoidable even without memorizing their paths and times of crossing: it just takes being aware and looking out for incoming krill in the distance and actively observing where nearby cover is

yes, dismiss is harder because it's a tighter space with little cover and a krill that constantly rechecks your position

[compact shale]

There's a reason we bring our own covers tho

Still best to do the brainwork if you're planning on traversing Wasteland regularly

[nimble ingot]

I am not sure if this is the case with other folks.
I have seen them double back, look around, clip though hiding places, outright target a skykid that was not near them or near the spot it was looking at and charge at skykids from across the map.

Krill are either becoming more and more aggresive over time. Or their AI has a few bugs that makes them unpredictable.

[ember elbow]

ah my guy. today you learn they did a "smarter krill" update

i wish i was around for the dumber krill

[frigid tinsel]

they are corrupted, who said krill would be orderly

[tulip aspen]

thats.... a glitch bruv

im talking about dont go as a gameplay challenge, the way i just described is how it's intended to be played, yet no one does it

its like people complaining about graveyard tree for two people, when that tree is supposed to be meant for four players, or 3 vets!

[compact shale]

That's no excuse to break your spine and the law of physics at the same time multiple times per day

[frigid tinsel]

and yet they do
krilll: i eat spines for breakfast

[compact shale]

No lol

The krill are breaking their own spines pulling off this heck

[frigid tinsel]

krill: i eat my own spine for breakfast

[orchid jolt]

need a krill trick?

[nimble ingot]

The thing is, I rarely see 3 other players while playing cat and mouse in the graveyard, let alone stick around long enough for the server to decide to merge.

I am sure the majority of the complains coming from the graveyard would be more centred on the krill and the server making it tricky to do the plant without dragging 3 friends to the graveyard.

Personally, I find the buggy behavior interesting, since it makes them a threat that even a vet would have to be weary of. But the fact that this is not an intended feature, and a bug. The krill's hunting behavoir really needs to be looked at.

[ember elbow]

is it dropping a table prop right on top of yourself?

[orchid jolt]

no. ill dm it to you

[tulip aspen]

youre supposed to bring friends, otherwise you're supposed to skip that tree

realistically i {personally} dont think TGC cares about y'all's full runs, they explicitly say they workshop ways to stop you guys from doing them, so yes

you're intended, by gameplay, to skip the tree without a squad

[nimble ingot]

What if, the krill were to be smarter.
What if when they hunt, they can change targets. As in, they can target a moth, but then change its mind to target a player with more wl instead.
That and if the skykid's light is out, the krill would lose interest in them because they dont have any light in them that is visible. And lastly, what if they can be distracted?
It would be cool to see krill react to fireworks, since they are basically balls of light that make a lot of sound.

A krill that does all of that, would be just as dangerous as the glitched ones we have now. But the difference is the glitched ones are more annoying.

[tulip aspen]

it would be so cool if it actually circles around checking the hiding spots instead of just giving up, but we already know how great TGC is at pathfinding

[rigid mural]

Do you guys have a death wish

[tulip aspen]

i have a "this game needs to be less boring" wish /hj

[orchid jolt]

we march to our demise every week. of course we have a death wish, how else are we gonna get those ascended candles?

[tulip aspen]

after all these years they still havent fixed the pathfinding of that one krill that literally just goes thru the wall

fr TGC?

[rigid mural]

Title screen today says Krills seek to devour our light. Would make sense for them to target players with more light...

[orchid jolt]

they did sorta (might be thinking of different krill)

[nimble ingot]

Lol, says who.
Solo skykids would likely stick around like vultures.

TGC can keep trying to find ways for players to work together more.
Players will try to make friends, lose interest, block Randoms and still struggle to do the trees because the server will rarely let enough players appear in the same instance to work together.
Friends cannot be forced or expected. True friends can only be made.

[nimble ingot]

Exactly!
Like they take a peak instead of rudely barging in like a bull with tunnel vision.
That and the little animations like that wont not likely disrupt their hunting patterns. Because, with the bugs that persisted for month, they dont have a consistent pattern in any case

[tulip aspen]

...yeah?

i meant actual friends, why would i be saying they intend for you to pick random people off the street?

it requires you to warp to (again, actual..) friends, and ask "hey, wanna run wasteland with me and this other friend?"

[nimble ingot]

I am aware that would make vets a bigger target, but that would also make avoiding them a bit easier for moths.

[tulip aspen]

hmm, good point, so maybe it wouldn't be a good mechanic ..

[orchid jolt]

personally, some of my favorite interactions are when some random person comes and helps someone else and then just bows and leaves. no expectation of continued connection with that other player, just wanting to help. both when im the one helping or being helped, and also when just witnessing it.

[nimble ingot]

Welp, this depends on the scenario.

If a moth gets spotted, a player with more wl can fly in the krill's sight to distract it.
This type of sacrifice is optional, and lets players with fewer wl get away while going in a group.

As far as I understand things, a player with more wl, usually are players with more experience in the game.

[orchid jolt]

i'd actually like it. i know there would be alot of backlash tho...

[frigid tinsel]

yes, camaraderie among strangers, things that restore my faith in humanity

[orchid jolt]

fun fact, you can act as a sheild for the manta in gw. but the krill will eventually see the manta because of the path the krill is on and the path the manta is on (or i guess the limited area of movement that the manta has

[rigid mural]

Krills can come and get this, I know how to dodge them

[nimble ingot]

XD dodging should also be a feature the devs should not take away from players. that takes skill to do.

On a different note.
Is this the first time a TS wont be selling a cosmetic they have!?

I am sorry, but a musical instrument is not just any 'prop.'

There are players that will be very upset about not getting.
And please do not say that the devs would not assume that players would not mind as an excuse. Because that would be the worst one to date

[rigid mural]

I think they meant twirling champion just won't pack a prop like chill sunbather (transat), crab call (pipe) and so on.

[tulip aspen]

dodging is irrelevant during a memory unless you're just the distraction 😔

[frigid tinsel]

I read “traveling light” and thought: oh aren’t all traveling spirits traveling light given everyone are children of light— oh they mean lightweight

[rigid mural]

SAME

Also yeah but bait is kinda necessary on pleaful parent, my mentor had to do that when I relived their memory.

[keen shore]

I play solo because social anxiety makes me freeze up whenever I encounter someone in Sky…I still have memories of Pleaful Parent that make me shudder. Same goes for Hiking Grouch (frustrating terrain) and Crab Whisperer (crabs kept knocking me out of the circle). Carry quests in general are frustrating honestly.

Oddly enough I don’t really get anxious interacting with people on any other online game or social platform, just this one game

I’m going to add that completing those three spirit quests alone was probably harder than most of the prophecy trials lol

[nimble ingot]

Just curious, would you prefer that if you have to work with other players.
Would you prefer to work with players you know (friends), players that you befriend on the spot, or players you dont have to befriend or interact with (as in light them up and do emotes).

[keen shore]

I usually interact with strangers just while I do the quest and then part ways afterwards. So probably the last one?
I’m fine with avoiding most of the stuff that requires friends: I don’t really care about Wastelands massive darkness plants, I can wait at doors that require multiple people to open, so on. The only two main issues I face is hard carry quest spirits and a near constant lack of hearts

I’ve been trying to convince myself to make friends using this server but I’m still a bit too shy for it so that’s probably going to wait

[distant turtle]

But Season of Flight did not follow this premise, which was why we were confused. Then Ash came and explained that we were somehow helping right now.

Now I believe that the spirits have the issue of their trapped memories from life, as well as having a continued existence as spirits/ghosts.

Sometimes we help them relive and other times we help them restore.

Each season has a little of both, because there are always some environmental changes that occur. Enchantment was an obvious one with dramatic restoration. Sanctuary had the bells, Prophecy cave had magic stuff going on, similar to Enchantment. Dreams had that statue. Little Prince is an alien so that season doesn't count. And Flight has the chimes and wind paths which were blocked.

[willow prawn]

Question : I know the message about the TS is just a "no props" line, but saying traveling light in a Lightseekers spirit... What do you think? Could it mean something?

[stark marten]

I think you're thinking about it too hard

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that stumped me too, pretty sure they mean lightweight

[sharp lichen]

We’re lorechat. Our specialty is thinking about things too hard!

[stark marten]

Traveling light is just a phrase that people say when you aren't carrying much with you. They just used it as a way to say it won't have a special prop this week, that's literally it

[frigid tinsel]

Less candles wasted

[tulip aspen]

flight, assembly, enchantment, and prophecy all show us actually physically creating/restoring something that "fulfilled the wish of this ancestor spirit", and that definitely physically happened, so yeah mia is wrong there, but they may be right on if that is the larger goal; our purpose isn't to 'rebuild the kingdom', which was an old theory of some (fruity i think 👀)

the larger debate comes into play when we think about why
the devs said the flight team has "done this before", but that begs the question about their story: if they did it before, when did it happen, and did it all fall apart again before or after they died

I'd like to think it was before otherwise it wouldnt make sense that theyd care so much; so in my mind it's:
they carved the wind paths as a highway for the kingdom, then as the storm apocalypse happened flight guide had to watch it fall apart again

that's all fine and dandy for flight, let's assume that's what happened, but

it's not proven for any other seasons i mentioned any of the things we helped construct were built before, and id like to think they werent

the treehouse, the bell tower, the ark, the cave

all of them sad, bleak, and torn apart as they were, i dont think they were "restored" in their own time

the treehouse was unfinished, the ark never became a base, the bells were never found, and the cave was as dark and bleak as it had always been

we have no reason nor evidence to assume otherwise

[tulip aspen]

im really about to waste candles on a different-ly modeled flute la sigh....
pain

sometimes they really don't even try with the sounds, the wind instruments sound so artificial especially

that'd be less the case with long notes tho tgc

[orchid jolt]

still think Rallying Thrillseeker fit the hints better.

[compact shale]

Well Ash likes messing with our expectations

[supple minnow]

[tulip aspen]

that's a lovely name

[frigid tinsel]

If I had it my way, my nickname would be the nsfw lore nickname my Minecraft friends gave me, but alas

[hushed steeple]

i actually suspected twirling champion
the hints about health (and leg day keksob) match their physique
and based on their memories and emote, we can tell they're a confident showoff

[frigid tinsel]

Twirl away the competition

[compact shale]

Why are you called "Lore Optics"
What is an Optic and what do they do

[hushed steeple]

new twirling champion lore:
is the last ancestor to die because they cheated death for the longest time by twirling away threats

[frigid tinsel]

Optics is the scientific study of physical light, to put simply.
And well given this is a game about beings made of light...

[tulip aspen]

fascinating

[distant turtle]

That's cool but I also like to think of it as restoring things that they had when they were alive which were ruined by the elements and being abandoned for so long. The spirits linger and they remember things being so nice. Like the ark was a real base, just like it is after we see it restored. Etc for the other seasons.

[tulip aspen]

ig
i just personally don't connect with the idea if them being that strong before on their own with all that magic

[distant turtle]

In Switch trailer, the passenger they are driving is just such an enchanter.

[distant turtle]

It would be a little confusing to me if the murals on the ark do not represent what happened to those characters.

[compact shale]

Do you remember the theory where Team Enchantment died of dehydration/starvation because they didn't have enough power to purify water or make a viable farm? (Shrug tries to use a water purification spell but fails, Scarecrow somehow doesn't have any memory of plants sprouting in the farm [it doesn't show, but maybe this was at the very start of the farm when birbs wanted the seeds])

[frigid tinsel]

TGC: Sky is a family-friendly game.
Tearful Light Miner: mine collapsed on them and they watched all their friends die before dying themself
Enchantment Crew: ship crashed and the remaining crew died of dehydration or starvation after struggling to survive while surrounded by krills
“Fainting” Warrior: dies on screen
Eden: full of petrified/dead skykids

[tulip aspen]

the murals represent their journey, and the transport of those spells, as well as what the spells do

i still hold my theory about those lights being singular spells they had limited amounts of, that they ran out of

[distant turtle]

Sky is similar to The Lion King when you put it that way

[frigid tinsel]

The Lion King was rated G when it was first released.

[compact shale]

Long. Live. The. King.

[willow prawn]

My theory about Sanctuary is that the bells did exist at some point, but some time before the spirits we find or somehow simultaneously/after, they were lost

Otherwise, it makes no sense why it was a touristic complex with no manta sightseeing (imo)

[tulip aspen]

no yeah that's what i mean, the bells stayed lost, and the sanct team gave up

[willow prawn]

Woop, sorry! Woke up one hour ago and my brain is still a bit dumb
I didn't think the traveling light was about weight, I forgot it's also used as that word in English, haha

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid mural]

With sanctuary team having a summer holiday theme... I have this headcanon they were on a scavenger hunt for the bells. Or hid them. After all, something did leave us hints on where to find them...

[lyric isle]

hello lore gang
shall we dissect the icon

[rigid mural]

Wadda hell, beta content ??? On the official server's icon ? Bulnausaur

[compact shale]

Theiconoftheskycordserverchangedtosomemantasinamysteriouslocationandithinkthismeanswearegettingthenewseasonteasersooniknowitsoundslikeimontoomuchcoffeebutimnotthisispureunfilteredhype

[rigid mural]

I saw someone headcanon the prairie elder themselves got rid of the bells to protect the light creatures from being summoned and captured

[frigid tinsel]

what's up with the new server logo?

[rigid mural]

[compact shale]

Use the optical lens to see what the manta sees

[frigid tinsel]

okay so i enhanced zoomed in to the image

[frigid tinsel]

hmm okay someone got this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/icons/575762611111592007/343042af999ebb26ed38e5cc9e9b04cc.webp?size=128

[thin dirge]

[tulip aspen]

did they just----

they spoiled it.... anyways??

[tulip aspen]

its clearly very high in the sky, definitely high up the air, hmm yes

definitely wouldnt be anywhere significantly low, nah, that wouldnt make sense

[thin dirge]

Eh, they usually like giving next Season posters when Season was about halfway or near the end.

But for some reason, they havent done it for the next one....

But even without context or knowing beta, it should be clear where this one takes place from looking at that high quality pic up there...

[rigid mural]

It's underwater. Thanks for your input, everyone go home.

[thin dirge]

[tulip aspen]

naaaaah, its clearly in spaaaaace, maaaaaannn

[rigid mural]

Your guessing game is abyssal Jam

[tulip aspen]

i just think you're thinking a bit too deep vela 👀

[rigid mural]

Or is your reasoning only surface-level ?

[thin dirge]

Deep.... Abyssal..... Haha....

[tulip aspen]

water you even talking about

[frigid tinsel]

skykids, beings who rely on flame to survive, underwater

[rigid mural]

Bikini Bottom logic

[tulip aspen]

wont be dangerous at all 👀

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, they kinda can already go underwater, like under the ice rink in Valley, but they don't swim there. They can swim, but i haven't seen them swim underwater

[rigid mural]

:)
;)

[compact shale]

space

[tulip aspen]

the ice rink was confirmed by DEVS to be an illusion and not actually water

[compact shale]

Doves? You talk to doves?

[rigid mural]

Jam is Daleth confirmed ???

[frigid tinsel]

twitter icon and header: #seasons-events-chat message
looks very underwater

[tulip aspen]

yes. they told me that all of my research is correct and then they handed me the lore Bible

[rigid mural]

I'm gonna tag chesca

[tulip aspen]

I'm telling you fam, the season HAS to be in space

after all why would TGC make a season completely underwater that would be completely ridiculous and random and completely divergent from the game's themes and previous backdrops||; almost as if they could make some kind of amazing new gameplay but not actually fix or improve the ones we already have like flying walking and stealth||

ITS IN SPAAAAACE
THE DOVES TOLD ME EVERYTHING

[lyric isle]

ok but how would underwater make sense
can we breathe? how?

well fire needs oxygen

[rigid mural]

Jam, dove whisperer

[compact shale]

What if we had true stealth

We get a cape that looks like a rock and we can use an emote to turn into a rock

[frigid tinsel]

if skykids aren't organic beings, they don't need to breathe.
however fire, like their flame, does need oxygen to be, well, fire

[tulip aspen]

spells already needed to become an actual gameplay mechanic and not just some cheap gimmick and yet they squandered the crab spell and the krill repellent when they should have became available at ark smh

[compact shale]

yeah, crab rock desreved beter

[wooden crypt]

🕴️🍿

[tulip aspen]

having spells as a utility to ease the candle run process throughout many different environments would add so much more to the game especially for vets who can definitely afford it

TGC has been coming so close with the items that have been showing up in these events, and then they just take them away

#makespellscheaper

[harsh pecan]

I don’t think we can breathe, pretty sure we don’t even have lungs but y’know…

[compact shale]

do you want me to perform CHEST COMPRESSIONS CHEST COMPRESSIONS CHEST COMPRESSIONS and find out?

[frigid tinsel]

why performed cpr on a skykid when you can light a match?

[wooden crypt]

Voluntary I see you would you like some popcorn in these trying times

[rigid mural]

We literally ascend to space in the way to Orbit tbh

[orchid jolt]

GUYS! THE ICON OF THE SKY DISCORD IS SPOILING THE ENTIRE SEASON FOR ME!!1!1 /j

Wait why are u guys talking about the season? It's still beta. It's not even in the news channel yet

[lyric isle]

yes please

not sure how to feel about very heavily implied underwater season

It feels so fanservicy
not saying it’s a bad thing to do what the community wants but. it feels wrong

we have sea creatures so it’s only natural, but I don’t actually want this because it kinda defeats the purpose of the game for me and aaa

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, in sanctuary, we did see light creatures emerge from the ocean

[orchid jolt]

Y'all are gonna make me have to leave the lore group again aren't you

[wooden crypt]

🕴️indeed

[lyric isle]

yeah good point

I just. I don’t want implied breathing skykids

the blinking is enough, even though I believe that’s both magical and mechanical mask tech

[wooden crypt]

But we’ve never been under the water and, the devs have stated, it’d be hard or almost impossible to make a swimming mechanic that goes underwater disappears

[frigid tinsel]

maybe while swimming they cover the hole in their chest with their hands in order to protect their flame and use their cape to propel forward?

[orchid jolt]

guys, we arent allowed to talk about unreleased/unnanounced stuff!

[lyric isle]

wasn’t saying it was a thing

but ye will delete in case anyone takes it wrong way

[compact shale]

WE don't talk about Bruno

[frigid tinsel]

i don't think an icon change of their public social media accounts counts as unreleased

[harsh pecan]

Can you do that?

[compact shale]

Let's just name the new icons Bruno. There.

[harsh pecan]

No no no

[keen shore]

Sorry for being late, but my theory was due to the link to the forgotten ark (probably in canon it’s somewhere else in GW) flight paths needed maintenance every so often to avoid corruption, that’s why people were there in the first place

[willow prawn]

If we're a flame, it's not as much as breathing as lack of oxygen kills the fire

[lyric isle]

ye, same thought

[frigid tinsel]

so would getting wet

[harsh pecan]

This is confusing

[frigid tinsel]

i feel like some things might get revealed that'll make me rethink my working theory on the composition of a skykid

[compact shale]

Moral of the story is: Don't get wet, you can die.

[harsh pecan]

But skids can get wet without dying

[frigid tinsel]

they have a hole in their chest that leads directly to their unprotected flame, i think that getting wet would be not good

[keen shore]

They’re just a bunch of organs floating around in glowy goo! I don’t know why anyone would be grossed out by that idea /s

But honestly my idea for how skykids deal with water is to temporarily plug the hole in their chest with extra clay so that no oxygen or light can escape through there and just use normal diving tech for their uh.. face holes. I have no better name for them. It’s just not really shown because of ingame limitations
I also have a headcanon that they just use extra clay to repair themselves when their outer shell is damaged so Sky kids who get hurt a lot look like a patchwork of a ton of different clay colors

[compact shale]

whats with our face holes?

[tulip aspen]

you don't breathe, but fruity voluntary and I have already deduced that if we hypothetically theoretically possibly under any random circumstance that would not obviously never be in the game of course

that our flame still needs to quote unquote breathe because it still needs air to burn
so if a Sky kid was hypothetically theoretically blah blah blah fully submerged for long periods of time, the flame would still go out

this still wouldn't be actually breathing nor in any way biological though and I really hope to make that clear... in that hypothetical theoretical possibility chance test idea concept thing that's obviously not in the game and never would be

[keen shore]

Someone with more technical knowledge than me could probably design a diving outfit that feeds the chest with oxygen rather than the face
Face holes = hypothetical nose and mouth

[frigid tinsel]

afaik, they only got two: their eyes. they don't have mouths,

i like the patchwork clay headcanon tho

[keen shore]

I mean maybe, it’s hard to tell because it could just be game limitations
Plus mine was the only reason I could justify them being underwater lol

[rigid mural]

Maybe sky kids got nostrils above their eyes like titanosauruses and dolphins

[harsh pecan]

Oh so the reason why we don’t die is because we’re not fully submerged right?

[compact shale]

We really need some chestplates

[tulip aspen]

@compact shale I'm so glad we prepared for this

[frigid tinsel]

brb crafting diamond armor for my skykid

[keen shore]

There might be some unrelated issues with skykids mining blue rocks out of the ground, be careful or you’ll get smited. We don’t need a repeat of last time

[frigid tinsel]

hmm maybe iron armor then

[keen shore]

I’m really happy we can swim because I love deep sea related stuff, but I also hate that we can because it makes little to no logical sense whatsoever
Maybe they use their shirts to hold pockets of air or something???

The real answer is probably something like instead of it being fire, it’s just pure glowiness if that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

then what's candle?

[compact shale]

We can't be wet for too long or else flame suffers and gets extinguished

We can solve that with some simple chestplates but we might need to bring our flame out for... reasons

And probably plug our eyes because those are exposed too but Navi's goggle hair should do the trick idk

[keen shore]

In game we don’t really get hurt by water as long as it’s not polluted. You can swim in the ocean around home and the sanctuary islands and see! It’s probably a special fire of some kind… who knows. I wish I had a better explanation

[tulip aspen]

swim? what are you talking about? this is a hypothetical theoretical possible chance under any random circumstance yet would definitely never obviously be in the game obviously never

[compact shale]

It's a hypothetical about what the heck we would need armor for.

[tulip aspen]

the difference seems like it should be being fully submerged lmao

[frigid tinsel]

i get that flame is ✨ magic ✨ fire, but idk how well that magic fire can withstand pounds of pressure of water

[compact shale]

Does pressure affect energy? Flame is energy, not matter

[tulip aspen]

that was my original Theory, fruity got to watch the whole evolution of my brain about hypothetical theoretical submerging lolol

[compact shale]

AH HA HA HA HA I THINK WE JUST CREATED SOMETHING

[frigid tinsel]

pressure can affect your functionality if there's enough of it to squish you

[tulip aspen]

I think it could be both, but we'll never get a full proper explanation about this from the devs so the pressure Theory and the flame dowse Theory both work under the principal I just stated to Salem; that we have to be fully submerged for this damage to occur

however I'm going to stick with the flame douse Theory because people like the idea of breathing more and my research has to be believable so this is my compromise

[compact shale]

Yes but that's matter. What about energy tho? Our bodies may be made of matter, but flames aint

[frigid tinsel]

energy gets dispersed if you're flat

[compact shale]

would hadopelagic pressure flatten us or *insert shattering pottery here us?

[tulip aspen]

fruity if there's cracks in the Shell then the water will get to the flame

think about it fruity

water.. on Flame

[compact shale]

oh god that would be pure suffering

[tulip aspen]

so yeah that's what I mean both are extremely valid so there's no right answer for specifically this

either Theory could be the answer and I think it seems legit enough

[frigid tinsel]

depending on how strong the shell is, skykids may crack and shatter before they get that deep

[tulip aspen]

considering we're made out of literal magic Play-Doh that the light just controls I don't think we would do so well in water no

[compact shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSs9-NDP3E

Both could be correct
If that's the case then welcome to Sky: Wait it's Hardcore Now?

[tulip aspen]

in general, if we went underwater, hypothetically theoretically possibly in certain context contexts which does not exist because it will never exist in the game because that would make no sense

we wouldn't have long before we die

||:D||

the spoiler doesn't help anything not going to lie I really don't recommend talking about beta until we actually get there in live

(pls)

[compact shale]

delet

[keen shore]

Okay sorry, kind of new to what we’re able to talk about or not. It’s kind of weird having to discuss this when we can’t talk about any evidence lol

Can we have this conversation when we can actually do the above??

[tulip aspen]

that's because there is no evidence and there never will be because this is all a hypothetical theoretical scenario and THE NEXT SEASON IS IN SPACE

[keen shore]

Wouldn’t space be even more of an issue though due to no pressure and lack of oxygen??? I mean, when we’re not dead already that is

This is just hurting my brain to try and justify at this point

[willow prawn]

Anyways my dudes! If you wanna talk about space, why don't we talk about the cosmic trees in Sky such as Bloom tree and why do they have star texture?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids can only be damaged by darkness. i think the shell cracks opens briefly when hit by a force of darkness like krill or rocks in Eden, hence why they lose (winged) light. However with the presence of light, the shell can heal itself rather quickly.

but yea let's test the structural integrity of the magical bodies of skykids by putting them at the bottom of the ocean. can skykids withstand 16,000 psi of sheer water?

[tulip aspen]

Salem we

we literally go to space at the end of the original game

[keen shore]

Yes that’s why I added the disclaimer that we have to be alive for it to hurt

[willow prawn]

Star texture in question

[frigid tinsel]

tree is dead but living in spirit

[keen shore]

Since we can respawn I see no ethical issues with this experiment, let us begin

[tulip aspen]

we have to be biological

we are alive, but it's because of space Magic

[frigid tinsel]

kinda hard to respawn tho, ngl
kinda have to ascend Eden and be reborn with new bodies.

[tulip aspen]

do we respawn?

are you referencing the trials or orbit

[harsh pecan]

Maybe they come from Orbit

[frigid tinsel]

Orbit

[compact shale]

Dead Bloom trees

they're dead

because the ancestors ***ed up the environment

[crude marlin]

only if you loose all light in eden, if you loose all light outside of eden you go to a dark room with a shiny boi at the end. once you grab that your back at home space

[keen shore]

I thought we were just cool glowing ghosts I’m going to be honest - wait
Now that I think about it, we’re shown as a pure spirit of light when we go through Eden. What if that’s just how we look without our clay shell? What if winged light is just peeled skykids

This is probably obvious but I’ve just now connected the dots

[tulip aspen]

here's a document with the prominent theories on child of Light anatomy
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1thcKlrpEPO87cz0hgM5rbMZilC97-2chVEe7uC7WI0c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[crude marlin]

sky kids are secretly bananas /j

[compact shale]

hard light bananas that aren't very delicious if you aren't a krill

[keen shore]

Conspiracy theory: Sky kids are pineapples
Evidence: hard outer shell, yellow insides, survive via light (LIKE A PLANT????), jokingly mentioned to taste sweet to krill

[frigid tinsel]

if you lose light outside of Eden, that dying and you have to be revived. wouldn't really call that respawning.

[keen shore]

picking up my friends and shaking them really hard to see if the soul inside makes noise when bounced against the outer shell

[tulip aspen]

basically basically

[willow prawn]

When we use playfight there's like a drumming noise so maybe
Would that mean skykids are maracas?

[rigid mural]

Brb about to lift up and shake a chibi

[tulip aspen]

would bigger sky kids have deeper percussion

[frigid tinsel]

they prob deserve it ngl

[compact shale]

Well, the drumming sorta implies that we're hollow (light is energy not matter) so...

What could possibly be shaking in us tho? Hardened wax that has yet to melt in our light?

[keen shore]

I think that if the light could make a sound, it would sound like wubbawubbawubbawubbawubba

[willow prawn]

Maybe the candles we pick are actually inside of us

[frigid tinsel]

well playfight isn't really skykids being shook, more so that one is pounding on the other's back, like drums not macaracas.

[compact shale]

PLAY SKYKID LIKE AN INSTRUMENT

[frigid tinsel]

skykids are full of wax /hj

[willow prawn]

Sky needs to give me maracas so I can live my mariachi dream and follow people just dancing with my maracas

Prophecy Drum with a ch sound? Sure! But I'm not dancing

[keen shore]

Wait, so we make honks similar to how flutes work, we can be played like a drum, and shaken like a maraca
why do we allow spirits to give us instruments when we are the only instrument we could ever need

[willow prawn]

Encanto already went out, so Hispanic season when /j

[tulip aspen]

what if instruments like the flute horn and ocarina are just carved out shells of dead sky kids

[livid pelican]

Nah...

[compact shale]

no.

[keen shore]

OH I ALMOST FORGOT THE FINAL INSTRUMENT SOUND, the ding when you hit something while flying
We need to compose a sound composed entirely of skykid instrument

This is the kind of valuable, enlightening, game changing conversations that lore chat should be all about

[willow prawn]

I don't have that musical expertise but I'll go to the music channel with that idea if you don't mind? Or we go together

[compact shale]

Let's mix a song using only emote sounds

(Facepalm makes cymbal sound)

[keen shore]

If we need extra musical backup we can fall back on this

[compact shale]

hell yeah

[sharp lichen]

More excruciatingly dark theories! Keep ‘em coming!

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[keen shore]

Imagine creating a generation of clay and light beings to restore the balance of light in the world, then you look down and they’re just using each other as instruments

[frigid tinsel]

skykid banging out the tunes

[harsh pecan]

Dang we’re using our fellow comrades to play music

[willow prawn]

Reminds me to someone I heard once covering bad girl from billie ellish with skykids, and the honk was the voice

[rigid mural]

Consider: spirits finding out we can be instruments

I want to see blushing prospector looking between their drums and a skykid playfighting with another

[keen shore]

They make their memories specifically so that we are in situations where we play sounds. Like in a mountain area where we keep pinging into ledges, a cliff where we fall and wind whistles through us to make us a flute, etc
While we struggle through carry quests they just watch and cackle

[rigid mural]

Hiking grouch ?

[keen shore]

Instead of the dramatic prophecy drum when you finish a trial, they just whack you instead

[rigid mural]

Btw the chest pound emote does drum sounds too. Fire Prophet blessed us.

[keen shore]

Another piece of evidence that fire prophet is the best spirit in the game

[rigid mural]

🚁 🔥 🦁

[keen shore]

I don’t know what that means but I agree

[compact shale]

Fire Prophet spins

[lyric isle]

it means

[keen shore]

I started cry laughing watching this and now everyone in my house probably thinks I’m insane, thank you

[lyric isle]

you’re welcome for the laughs! sorry if your household is resultedly concerned, though

[tulip aspen]

😃

[harsh pecan]

LMAOOO

[keen shore]

Unimportant question: what does everyone think spirit clothes are made out of? Plant fibers like cotton, or animal hide/wool?

[harsh pecan]

Probably wool

[spark condor]

anyone got any lore to determine if the gem on the chest is part of clothes or if its attached to their bodies

[tulip aspen]

id say silk and fiber rather than wool, as that implies they'd have to get wool from an animal, and we have no proof biological animals existed

.... imagine they just shave people's afros for the material

[keen shore]

I think some spirit outfits, like the bear hug one, are def fur/pelts though

[compact shale]

AGSHAFNDSFNNDSF

Civilian: Wow, Cheerful! Nice smock! Where'd you get it?
Bald Cheerful Spectator: Oh it's nothing, just 3 years of growing my fabulous afro.

(okay real talk we should add this to the list of questions)

[keen shore]

YEAH! It’s kind of mundane but I’d love to know. Also where they got their dyes

[compact shale]

Team Flight has paint. It is organic, but it is not made of creatures.

[spark condor]

[keen shore]

I noticed! I assumed they used the same material to make the orange and blue dyes and the paints. I’m curious what they used
I am the person mundane history anecdotes are made for

[keen shore]

We’re pretty sure it’s a part of their bodies but it’s hard to get evidence on that considering we’re not exactly likely to see skykids or ancestors shirtless (thankfully)

edit: btw it’s not a gem, it’s a diamond shaped hole

The working theory is that it’s how the flame inside our bodies is fed with oxygen

[spark condor]

i was thinking it was apart of them but i dont think its a hole- it has dimension?

[keen shore]

It does? Let me check

[spark condor]

yee it also disappears when u hold ur candle

[compact shale]

A likely answer could be the small round light flowers in Prairie. They're everywhere, they're colorful, they're organic, and they're not creatures. Who knows tho

[lyric isle]

you think the paint in Flight and the paint on the Ark is the same?

the latter is likely infused with light to make it glow, would make sense

[keen shore]

Could be wrong but all I can see is a hole surrounded by glowiness

[spark condor]

This angle kinda

its got some pop xd

[keen shore]

Ohhh I didn’t notice that, I don’t usually go into profile view to be fair.
Yeah I’m not really sure what that is. Maybe a capsule filled with superheated wax or something? Might be the thing that produces their heartbeat

[compact shale]

It's where the candle is. I think the candle is pulsating for... reasons

[keen shore]

I really hate thinking about that for more than a second honestly
Also the fact that you can see it well means that they have holes in their shirts specifically where the gem is which I hate equally as much

[compact shale]

Yeah. I think the reason why we have it is because we need to take it out easily.

But if the hypothetical situation that has a 0% chance of entering the game does happen, then we need chestplates. yeah.

[keen shore]

Honestly now that I think about it, almost every aspect of skykid anatomy is unnerving to some capacity. If I walked up to someone and they pulled a candle out of their chest I would probably faint

[thin dirge]

I think the glowy part is the flame rather than the candle

The chest circle goes dark when your fire is extinguished

[keen shore]

That begs the question, where did they get their candle?? it isn’t even just wax it has a wick and everything. Do they constantly carry it around and just lift it to their chest gem to light but we somehow don’t see it??

This might be one of those things we’re not supposed to question

[compact shale]

also formed when they came down to the world?

[keen shore]

Maybe but where do they store it when it’s not out??

[compact shale]

inside their chest

[keen shore]

So how do they pull it through their shell or the gem thingy

[compact shale]

yes.

[frigid tinsel]

the candle is probably a manifestation of tangible light they use in order to hold their flame outside their bodies. when putting the flame back inside their body, they just demanifest the light-candle.

[keen shore]

So the candle in its entirety is basically a hologram? This is a cursed conversation
I feel like I wasn’t supposed to know any of this

[hushed steeple]

It also reps the heart. You literally reach out your heart to other people. And connect with their hearts.

[keen shore]

Thanks, I hate it

[hushed steeple]

A skykid’s candle is also possibly where they keep their soul.

[frigid tinsel]

well holograms aren't tangible. that's why i'm saying tangible or a physical manifestation of light (something something Steven Universe something).

[compact shale]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-soul-gem-madoka-madoka-magica-homura-gif-12403264

Or it's a soul gem, but for us (a bit unlikely)

[frigid tinsel]

their soul is likely separate from their flame/candle. all souls in Sky appear as that blue sparkle we see as spirits. unlit statues in Eden have a blue glow, which is prob their soul light in there. also when you call your friends from the constellation table, they come down as a blue sparkle first.

[hushed steeple]

Its a soul candle nothing gross about it >:|

[keen shore]

Implying we’re a sentient candle simply using a child’s body to navigate

Physical manifestation might make sense given we never see dripping wax or anything and our skykid is Not concerned about holding hot wax. It still feels a bit off in a way I can’t describe, maybe because we have to ask why they’d use a candle and not just the light itself

I’m not saying it’s gross. It’s just very unnerving

[hushed steeple]

Is your soul in your brain? Are you a brain using a body to navigate?

[frigid tinsel]

i mean, humans are just fleshy brains piloting a meat suit to interact with the world but point taken.

[keen shore]

True but do we take our brains out and ram them together when we want to know each other?
I have changed my opinion on the sentient candle idea, it is now my new joke headcanon just because of how funny it is

[hushed steeple]

TGC: “its super cute and adorable that we have the skykids reach out their hearts litterally to demonstrate the emotional connection”

Lorechat: “ew squishy heart touch”

[compact shale]

OOGHWERNWRNWE

[frigid tinsel]

i feel called out

[keen shore]

It is actually cute but thinking about it in more than very basic detail just leaves me very confused and concerned
like with how it works and all

[hushed steeple]

Actually now that you point it out im happy they have light and candles instead of organs.

[keen shore]

I hate to say this because I hate to think about it but… why not both

[frigid tinsel]

arguably, the flame is an organ

[hushed steeple]

Because I could not handle eden with organ filled skykids.

[keen shore]

Now that we’re talking about it… they don’t really have formed eyeballs, how do we see

Something connected to this is the fact that going maskless makes your eyes closed… do the masks give us eyes???

[hushed steeple]

[frigid tinsel]

well maskless you can see the slits of their closed eyelids, so they prob have eyeholes, though no exactly sure why they close their eyes when not wearing masks. I think it's cos their bare faces would project such a blinding light that they keep them shut out of courtesy.

what i don't understand is what's with the diamond hole above their eyes, there's no corresponding markings for it on their maskless face.

[keen shore]

Now that I think about it we do blink but it’s really hard to tell due to resolution if it’s the glowing dots getting smaller or actual blinking, it could be that very basic features like closed eyes are just sculpted on to make the face look more human… I really like them projecting light almost blindingly though
It’s beginning to feel less like we’re talking about sky children and more like we’re discussing the anatomy specifics of biblically accurate angels

[frigid tinsel]

actually when they close their eyes, light still seeps through, tho not as much. hold on, i'll get a pic

[lyric isle]

hi are we talking about blinking

…oh boy. blinking my detested but tolerated, here we go

[keen shore]

True although you could argue that it’s the light inside them doing that and the clay there is just thin if that makes sense? though it does imply whatever inside is VERY VERY BRIGHT to the point it shows through solid clay

I feel like they would have working eyes just because how would masks let you see?? it would explain why all the ancestors wore them but it just doesn’t make any sense how they can do it… I saw someone mention mask eyes ages ago and it’s bothering me that I can’t disprove it

[frigid tinsel]

i also have a vid of my skykid staring at the screen while clapping and they blink during it, would have to scourage my phone tho

though as for the light shining through while they blink, it's prob cos of how they're rendered for smartphones

[lyric isle]

ok time to open the can of worms

slightly absurd headcanon:
it’s a spirit invention. it’s an intended feature of the mask (both mechanical and magical) to avoid anything getting into it, via eyelids on the mask

also used to keep a cultural custom while maintaining facial expression

masks have two layers, prob an ergonomic one to fit (which has said eyelids on) and then the protective one you see on the outside, which can be slid around without coming off (as to explain upgraded facepalm and sneeze and the like) via…magical binding, I guess?

[keen shore]

That’s actually my fourth wall breaking theory is that the reason everyone wears masks is because it’s just easier to render their faces that way. I’m not sure what the in universe reason is though

[lyric isle]

well yeah

[frigid tinsel]

Blinking while clapping

[keen shore]

It’s very late and I need to sleep, I will probably have nightmares about skykid eyes due to this conversation, goodnight everyone

[lyric isle]

don’t blame you
used to be legit scared of this

[robust flare]

I'm tired so I might be off, but perhaps the mask is a way for kids to imitate the ancestors. The maskless ancestors usually have eyes, whereas ours doesn't. It's late though, I should just sleep because my ideas are useless now 👍

[frigid tinsel]

special interest in anatomy so

[lyric isle]

tfw I spent a few hours I should’ve spent asleep looking at animatronic eyes as to brainstorm how the masks work

[frigid tinsel]

well when they close their eyes, their eyelids are black, so it's prob just eyelids on their faces

[lyric isle]

the purpose of this headcanon is so that it doesn’t freak me out

to each their own

it corresponds to the mask though
(picture I took for a graphic I wanted to make)

[frigid tinsel]

it looks like your looks that way cos of the light blur. here the eyelids are black

[robust flare]

I don't know my theory. I'm just talking and hoping I somehow make a revelation by accident. I can't use my brain at night

[lyric isle]

the fact the mask eyelids close when you lie down is unsettling in a way
help

[frigid tinsel]

they're just sleeping
realization: skykids can sleep with their eyes open. if you go idle while sitting, they make ZZZs with their eyes open.

[robust flare]

It used to look like they didn't have eyes when they lay like that *just for chibis

[ember elbow]

the masks are like those god forsaken baby dolls from the ninties that youd lay down and their eyes would shut. each wave and bobble opens and shuts the eyes

[lyric isle]

i’ll admit this is hella cute though

[lyric isle]

exact same brain

[ember elbow]

hol' up

[frigid tinsel]

Closer pic

[lyric isle]

I don’t like it. I really don’t, but my instincts kick in and find it cute as much as I hate it

it was def intended as a thing from the start that only recently got fixed

[robust flare]

I think if we want to solve the mask, we might have to dive into skykid evolution/genetics

[lyric isle]

so why are they capable of facial expression? what mask wizardry is going on

[frigid tinsel]

welp time to bring this back
my working theory on the composition of a skykid
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[lyric isle]

idk. the blinking has really shaken me and I need answers

[robust flare]

The chest thing is likely from the creature part of us

[frigid tinsel]

well here's the thing, they don't use facial expressions. those masks are rather inert & expressionless. perhaps the ancestors wore masks to block out facial expressions as to curb the impulse to read body language or more particularly facial expressions since they are highly prone to misinterpretation. though skykids don't have faces under that. however they are very expressive with the rest of their bodies.

[lyric isle]

well you know what I mean

it feels wrong. skykids express themselves with body language, it feels contradictory to add more to what intends to be ‘less is more’, but that’s personal and I’m not the devs

[frigid tinsel]

no, i don't know what you mean /gen

[lyric isle]

sorry, should rephrase:
so why are they capable of emoting like this with the mask eyes?

[robust flare]

I'm now thinking about if eyes became unecessary when we evolved from the ancestors, and so maybe the masks are there because assimilation...Idk man Imma go sleep. Mask is terrible

Nighttime brain just goes sploosh. I hope you find the solution someone, anyone

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids didn’t really “evolve,” moreso made directly by Megabird

[robust flare]

I use "evolve" more in the sense of, the way ancestor and creature were somehow combined. We're like, a subspecies, so there was kind of an evolution I guess

farewell

[frigid tinsel]

well you're sorta right. in Zhao's concepts, skykids were intended as a mix of light and dark beings. looks more that Megabird took inspiration from both to combine them into what would become skykids. though for how much of these concepts still are canon in-game is debatable.

given ancestors wore masks, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume the need for skykids to wear them too. perhaps so they'd be familiar to ancestor spirits.

[tulip aspen]

i dont know if theyd answer but if they did it'd prove if there's biological animals or not which will change everything

[tulip aspen]

light and *non-light beings

[compact shale]

Haha imagine being so creeped out by a bunch of smol children who fell from the sky that you need to slap a mask on them just to allow them to ascend you

[tulip aspen]

are you sure they aren't just not fully closing their eyes

[frigid tinsel]

i later clarified that they prob are, just graphics rendering

[compact shale]

I mean there are animals out there who sleep with one eye open or something like that to keep their guard up even when asleep

Maybe skykids have the instinct to always keep their guard up too lol

[tulip aspen]

to experient being mortal, to be human, to be alive

otherwise we're just energy

this form, this vessel, allows us to feel and connect and experience things and sensations the Light never could

[tulip aspen]

yeah they cant possibly be biological lol

[compact shale]

I think that form's to make us more approachable

If we came in as these amorphous biblically accurate angels the ancestors would try to resist our attempts to ascend them

And if we're solid, we're not in the same plane as the ancestors, so they can't physically hurt us (no getting punched by ancestors here)

[frigid tinsel]

you're making me think of the Minecraft End Poem

[tulip aspen]

hmm well no

my message is also about the ancestors when you think about it

they subconsciously created a.... mortal form.. for themselves when they landed
the light energy that crashed down and formed into an ancestor.... wanted to feel and enjoy and experience

it was in wonder at the world around it and it was just so eager to experience that on a more physical plane

[compact shale]

We still don't know if the ancestors descended intentionally or not

Also we were here specifically to ascend the spirits so the Light might've made it so that we'd get those forms for the sake of functionality

You would not like it if you could get punched by an errant ancestor who can't accept their fate

[tulip aspen]

me talking about my "The Sky" religion, basically

i project myself as if i were a character, an ancestor, wanting to understand the feeling of the Sky, knowing the path forward being enlightenment, and wanting to embrace this chance ive been given to learn something from this world I've been born into

[frigid tinsel]

have you read "The Egg" by Andy Weir?
not quite what you're going at but it's familiar, living life (well, lives) to gain enlightenment.

[tulip aspen]

yes we dont know if the stars descended intentionally or not, or if the Sky let them or not

but when they crashed there, they wanted to take form, they wanted to feel
that was their spiritual side: ohc if you suddenly were born as an adult on a beach you'd be mad, and not want to be there, but subconsciously, that's a relevant reason the star possibly would have wanted to take physical form

we dont like bad stuff when it happens to us physical, mortal, people, but we can appreciate we're alive

it isnt the same way you said it is, but in the end, it's all part of the experience, so it all goes hand in hand

physically in the moment, I've hated getting punched, but now I'm glad i know i can take a shot

[tulip aspen]

thats just how my Enlightened Ascend Theory works basically

appreciating the physical challenge of living as a mortal, but appreciating it on a spiritual level

[compact shale]

Hmmm... as for the possiblility that ancestors won't ever be reborn, the Light might be punishing them for their sins by preventing them from getting a physical form, because they abused the land in their previous life

[tulip aspen]

ohhh

i
i dont think it would work like that with your idea of meeting them on a spiritual plane tbh

if they and the elders are stuck in the mindscape (my headcanon/theory of Sky's spiritual plane) and they cant ascend or escape on their own, we'd just be stuck too wouldn't we?

besides, the spirits are physically trapped as well as spiritually; by the darkness plants corrupting their essense/corpse/whatever-that-is

[frigid tinsel]

I've been thinking of Megabird perhaps not wholly one with the universe. Perhaps they are, but They want to understand what it's like to exist in themself as not Themself, so they make beings of light who have their own personalities and limitations Megabird, as a god, wouldn't experience. So these beings of light, Children of Light/Megabird, live in the Sky world living, experiencing, collecting knowledge. When they return to Eden to die and ascend, they reunite with Megabird full with the knowledge of living, each life valuable to Their own collective being for their wisdom. Megabird or the universe isn't necessarily a conformist hivemind, but the many Children of Light coalesce and inform Megabird of what life is like and can be.

that is why it is so important for the spirits to ascend. their absence doesn't weaken Megabird, but it deprives Megabird of the knowledge of what it is like in the Sky world, not just recent events but of the Beings who experience life in the world, and in such deprives them of wisdom.

[tulip aspen]

why would they want to be reborn?

i personally wouldn't want too have to live my whole life again in the same bodily growth and the same mind as when i died

[tulip aspen]

that sounds beautiful

[compact shale]

Isn't that how the cycle of life goes? Wouldn't Megabird want them to collect wisdom again? Can the ancestors even make that decision for themselves? Oh, Ash... *looks at the pile of ashes on a pedestal longingly

anyhow uwehnrnn

[frigid tinsel]

well if Megabird wanted to keep collecting wisdom via the ancestors, they'd make more ancestors.

Megabird: what if I made sentient beings that could screw around and find out? creates ancestors
Ancestors: ruin the Sky world
Megabird: crap

[tulip aspen]

oh if we're talking about the collect wisdom theory then yes being reborn sounds relevant

[tulip aspen]

yeah, and they never did

maybe they'd try again after the skykids clean up the last mess? that's kinda a horrific thought

[compact shale]

I do not personally think that Megabird has an infinite amount of stars they can use as soul cores. At some point they're gonna recycle.

[tulip aspen]

this sounded wholesome at first, but now im projecting myself into one of the ancestors, and realizing

this is as if God only lets us be born so he can see the knowledge and experience being human would give

kinda grim

truly like a puppet

okay people, we've got two religions to choose from in Sky

fruity, which one would you want to believe?
which one would be the better of two kinda somber realities

returning to the perfect and controlled dance of Light forever and never deviating from that again after you and the others made your mistake

being a puppet for some distant god who will use you as some sort of inlet, having your knowledge and life experiences be taken from you to be viewed like tv shows, when you die

they both suck ngl

alasdair, if you had to, which would you believe is the truth

[frigid tinsel]

didn't say that their life would be taken from them. Megabird could be a nonconformist hivemind in the sense that an untold number of minds are working together to form god.
you die, ascend, and become one with god

[compact shale]

Indecisive as of now.

[tulip aspen]

oh yeah, well that's what my original thing was

that everything, all beings of light, together, is that mind

i never said it's exactly a hivemind because when we leave the Sky to be in the world we immediately dont belong to that massive grouping, that body of Light

it's not one being made of thousands, it's We, it's thousands together, hand in hand

[frigid tinsel]

like a council, it's one mind acting on its own with the collection of many minds. perhaps ascension unites the one mind with the god mind and descending separates that individual from the collective god mind. so a soul could be reused and reincarnated, but since it's separate from the collective, it can be its own individual. when it ascends, it comes to know all other versions of itself.

thinking of how, in Orbit, skykids' honks are in sync and sing some sort of song

[tulip aspen]

basically, yeah

have you ever read my doc about the Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

This
(ignore my friend being wonky in the closet)

[frigid tinsel]

i can't remember rn

honestly, this is derived from my own musings about spirituality

TGC: this a game about flying around and friendship
lore chat: what is god? what does god want?

[tulip aspen]

im literally here for your friend being wonky in the closet

[tulip aspen]

i mean all of our theories should be derived from our own individual thoughts about what makes sense, yeah

if you wanna check it
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QeIMzNaPz-TzC8ZHrdUYTOZ99zObm1PYx65sejTyIfc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[willow prawn]

It's doing a full scale! that's like the best discovery ever

[vernal stratus]

My mind is blown. What. How. What. I mean I’m rarely ever in orbit with anyone Bc no one in my constellation ever want to do Eden so I’m usually alone. And I guess that means I have no reason to honk. Omg it’s legit a song structure and not like the usual discordant cacophony that we hear down at ground level. #themoreyouknow 🌈🌈🌈

[tidal valve]

Aaahhh a week or so until the next season! I’m tempted to watch beta videos so I can get a head start on potential lore but I also want to go and wait so I can explore for myself uwu

[icy ember]

Sameeeeee

[compact shale]

I've seen enough. I've got a Whirlwind of feelings inside

[icy ember]

If anyone is interested in the old sky lore like the concept stuff I recommend checking out Tom zhao’s website. It’s freakin awesome. Btw it’s mainly just concept art but it explains lore

[compact shale]

That's unreleased pls delete

[icy ember]

Oh

Sorry

[compact shale]

Tis fine

[tidal valve]

Tbh, I won’t be doing much exploring, I’m DEATHLY afraid of the theme of the season so I’ll be taking baby steps in the new area oWo

Really hoping for some wall paintings though,

[compact shale]

Yeah same, idk how to handle deep water irl so AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[vernal stratus]

Deep water in real life creeps me out but I am absolutely diving head first into this new season. I think it will be spectacular.

[static geode]

"diving head first" I see what you did there :0

[compact shale]

what if your honk sounds like O0O0O0O0o0Ooo

[tidal valve]

If there’s any dark underwater caves with giant creatures with huge or many eyes, sign me out

[compact shale]

Why would TGC make that? 👀👀👀

[quick terrace]

[tidal valve]

No stop that sounds so suspicious ahhhH

But.. new creatures? In sky? That would be super cool to see, and super huge!! Like underwater creatures? Mhm lore

[tulip aspen]

there's gonna be so much of this huh

i knew it from the moment i saw the server icon change, now everyone's just gonna assume they can [openly] talk about beta smh

[tulip aspen]

oh trust me deep depths would be terrifying in game too

theoretically, of course, because obviously that's not coming to the game

[tulip aspen]

[thin dirge]

Lets just say...

WAFO

[compact shale]

Waffles with butter and salt

[thin dirge]

Also, glad Jam aint saying it outright like someone once did tho during Prophecy...

[restive cosmos]

i have returned for a while

any new theories?

[tulip aspen]

why salt.....

[compact shale]

because if this season is what people think it is then saltwater is a thing probably

[tulip aspen]

in space?????

[compact shale]

Yes.

[tulip aspen]

i knew it
SEASON CONFIRMED GUYS ITS IN SPACE
FRUITY SAUD SO SHE NEVER LIEZ

[quick terrace]

What this mean for the ||space station|| tho /j

[tulip aspen]

Canon, always has been

[onyx shale]

Guys I have serious question

The game said skykids are created for the purpose of 'returning the light', but how do exactly we 'return the light'? And what has orbit & saving the statues in Eden have to do with it?

[thin dirge]

Spirits are technically stars, stars are light. So they're part of that

For now, a lot of our purpose is vague, but the gist of it is "Return the fallen stars home"

Also, I guess another part is discovering how the kingdome fell

[onyx shale]

So, like, saving the spirits by reliving them and guiding then back to orbit?

[thin dirge]

Yes, thats a part of it at least.

All we're doing is picking up the pieces of a Kingdom that has long fallen in Sky.

[harsh pecan]

That tastes bad

[compact shale]

Yes. But we haven't seen all of the spirits yet. So that means that our mission isn't done yet.

[neat flint]

Our mission won't be finished if seasons keep going on

[pallid dust]

hmm, by the way, you're right, in theory, our trips to Eden can be considered not canonical in the lore

[compact shale]

Sky's gonna end eventually. I just hope the devs are prepared for the finale when it happens.

[compact shale]

I mean, they can. But we're getting reborn because our mission isn't complete yet. Once we complete the mission, once we ascend we'll be there forever and the journey will end.

[onyx shale]

Oh one more, what is the purpose of skykids going to Eden? Currently our own purpose is to save the past skykids stuck in the Eden as statues, but what are they (skykids who got petrified) doing there in 1st place? Is it to destroy the Giant power diamond?

[onyx shale]

Makes sense! Thanks alot!

[neat flint]

Tgc better prepare the final season in eden/j

[pallid dust]

maybe this

[compact shale]

There's some stuff that implied that there was a previous generation of skykids. We don't know what they did, but now we have to save them too.

And at one point those statues had your friend's names on them. That's heartbreaking. Though I guess "save your dead friends" is still on the table as an interpretation considering that the shiny orbit bois you see on your way are labeled with the names instead.

[pallid dust]

Wow, I didn't know that the statues were also signed, this explains why I see my friends in Arbit

[compact shale]

They used to be. in Light Awaits. The new version has a lot more ways to see it though.

[compact shale]

Lin's writing a whole essay here.

[onyx shale]

By how I see it, we keep dying and become statues in Eden to save other skykids, and in turn other skykids come to eden to save our statues. And so on the next batch comes to save the ones who died prior. It felt like a senseless cycle of 'digging a hole to cover another' without a way to end it for good 😔 If I'm a skykid I'd be hopeless & in despair questioning how to end our own suffering.

I wonder if this part where skykids can't do anything to stop the cycle of suffering is canon? Tbh kinda reminds me of buddhism and the concept of samsara and how we can't escape suffering as long as we exist

If it's canon I wanna make it part of my OC's plot where their friend fell into depression cause they don't know how to end the tragedy and stop other skykids from dying again n again

[shut trellis]

i think they can if they really wanted to but in their eyes it may seem normal. they may not even want to get out of the cycle and so anyone who does will not really be able to stop others. or at least not that many people. newer moths will be curious and may not listen to other.
however, dont we seem to save more than we lose? like one skykid can light many statues but only one is left behind(not like eden really shows this but..)

[distant turtle]

There is a small leveled out square here. Is there any significance maybe from the earlier versions of the game?

Also 👀 TGC teaser images in social media profiles

[stuck hamlet]

Hii I was just wondering if I can share a lore idea here ? Not sure since I’m kinda new to the discord Lolol

[distant turtle]

Please do feel free!

[stuck hamlet]

Oki cool

[hushed steeple]

Thats where the end of the rainbow candle cluster goes

[stuck hamlet]

Ok so complete not possible lore idea but lemem share it anyways !:)) oki let’s go !
Oki so, what if krill were ascended crabs ??
Let me explain lolol…

Oki so basically if you think about it krill and crabs are usually both found near water ( krill are usually further away from water tho ) and crabs are sea creatures right ? Krill are also sea creatures ! Crabs belong to the subphylum Crustacean, the largest group of marine arthropods, which also includes lobster, shrimp, and krill, a shrimp-like crustacean. Did you read that ! Krill !!!! So crabs and krill are part of the same family oki cool. So now let me explain further :))

Okay this kind of obvious but both crabs and krill can take away light / wl . Well what makes me believe that krill are ascended crabs is because crabs only take away a part of your light where as krill are much more powerful and they can take away 1-6 ( not sure ) wl. Therefore krill is much more powerful than crabs ( leading to why I think they are ascended from crabs ). Oki now let me explain why I think they ascended into krill

Okay so this links into a lore idea from ShadeTheSkyKid on why crabs hate sky kids ( watch this video to understand : https://youtu.be/JxlHkCl9D5E ) ok so as we can see in that video the sky kids were quite mean to the crabs and as we know some pretty crazy things can happen in sky. So if there are ascended mantas ( WICH ARE ALSO BASED OF SEA CREATURES ) why can’t there be other ascended things ? The ascension may have been caused to exposure of to much light from sky kids or it just could have been because of their water being taken away from them and the loss of water could have caused this.

Il continue in new message now because this msg is very long Lolol

[neat flint]

You’re not supposed to talk about beta contents outside of beta channels

[stuck hamlet]

I know but I was about to put a spoil warning and also I couldn’t find a beta lore section sowwy

[neat flint]

I’m sorry but please delete the message that contains beta content

[stuck hamlet]

Oki i will : ) But is there a beta lore section I could put it in ?

[neat flint]

You could talk about them in #beta-discussion or save your theories and talk about it here once the season gets to the live version

[stuck hamlet]

Okiii thanks !

[neat flint]

Don’t forget to delete your message about the upcoming season

[stuck hamlet]

I did : D

[keen shore]

I was asleep when this was posted but it also explains why it took so long for megabird to react to the disaster by making more skykids, because without spirits ascending they didn’t know what was going on down there, only that everyone suddenly died — and that tiny piece of knowledge assumes that there were other spirits we didn’t know about which were able to ascend, which is probably true because I doubt sky kingdoms max population was ~40 people

[boreal nebula]

#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

Let's see how mamy geuss who is missing ?
||Answer between spoilers, please||

[nimble ingot]

you still there my guy?

[orchid jolt]

Guys, i just came up with evidence for the theory of wax being a sort of "lesser" light creature!

[nimble ingot]

oh?

so, any form of light has some life force in Sky?

[orchid jolt]

The wax from home currently falls from the sky. Now, take this with a grain of salt, but lets assume that the wax is falling from clouds.

[wind sluice]

therefore skykids are predators 😭

[nimble ingot]

snowflakes can form in clouds, they are like frozen rain.
So you are right so far.

[orchid jolt]

i remember there being something about light creatures coming from clouds

also, ill mention a different peice of evidence. also i dont think its a predetor relationship but mutuilistic instead.

[wind sluice]

what does the wax gain being turned into candles? Do they long to be traded?

[tulip aspen]

hmm ig

I'd accept that theory more for the hot spring, because I've never really believed Home to be real

but yeah that doesn't explain candles tho

[orchid jolt]

actually, heres a discord message containing 3 links to some evidence
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[nimble ingot]

candle trading is part game mechanic, and part lore hint.
Candles have value to the ancestors. Ergo, the game uses candles as its currency.

[wind sluice]

so yeah, if wax is somewhat alive and skykids basically ‘eat’ it to use as currency, then how would it be mutualistic? Like what’s in it for the wax buddies

[tulip aspen]

yeah, imo even if it could canonically have a presence, it's not really important to the story or answering important questions

[orchid jolt]

yes, but it can also serve a purpose to the wax as well. as in them being ok with being used as currency and we (and the spirits) carry them to orbit

[wind sluice]

I feel like their currency is also part of the lore since the ancestors value the candles and give you something in return to show their gratitude?

Oh so like, the wax may be brought to orbit thru us, or brought to orbit as candles thru the spirits?

[tulip aspen]

it has to be mutual?

Light from the Sky or not, wax still wouldn't be sentient much at all

making it sentient cornily convolutes the concept a bit too much

[orchid jolt]

exactly. we get money and the wax gets a free ride

[wind sluice]

wait no, through us wouldn’t make sense… we don’t lose wax in orbit

And I only said mutual to tie into what Amoeba said (:

[nimble ingot]

perhaps, if wax has some life energy in them. Then they could be like plants, which also has carries some life.
So skykids are like the sheep or herbivors that eat plants. Not anything that consumes some form of living organism would classify it as a predator.

[keen shore]

I feel like if wax was a living creature it wouldn’t be as sapient as us, maybe comparable to ants since they like to work or be together, but their behavior is based far more on instinct than thought through
Maybe they gather around us for the same reason moths like lamps. They know big groups of wax are bright and they like being in groups! So here comes something very very bright so they migrate to it. We help them survive kind of like a beehive and in return they give us light to fly

Maybe they’re even like butterfly larvae because butterflies fly around us in a similar way to wax when we’re collecting them, and we know the ancestors used butterflies to some extent just as a portable light source

[orchid jolt]

remember the statues? they arent able to stay in orbit for more than a week. perhaps orbit itself is damaged in some way?

[wind sluice]

I imagine if wax is sentient, it’s kind of like water in a water cycle, but sometimes it is lucky enough to get to hang out in orbit.. otherwise it is just being thrown around from skykid to skykid to spirit to skykid.

Weird life, but plausible

[orchid jolt]

same applies to winged lights. i mean, not exactly but similar

[keen shore]

Finally we can get bugs in Sky!!! ….maybe
Other than butterflies I mean. Why did I not remember they existed and are bugs

[wind sluice]

Probably because they are other skykids. I think we just save each other since we can’t really ascend

[orchid jolt]

also, not a good comparison, but it could be like how cells are "lesser" beings in our world (like how cells can comprise a single being but are also sort of beings on their own) (this is a bad comparison, and weird for me to say since im a misspelled microbe)

[wind sluice]

Hold on, I assume the wax being somewhat alive means like, magically alive right? Because the whole thing with lighting candles to get wax starts to mess with my head

[nimble ingot]

If I recall correctly, statues used to remain in the past. Meaning, they dont disappear when you revisit eden in the same week. Now a days, they instead disappear (making it easier to find statues that you can still interact with).

Assuming the time loop theory for the sake of brevity, the statues sort of reset at the end of every week.
Now, this could just be a game mechanic to make ascended candles more valuable due to how few you can get over time. Or, this would mean that the statues can be saved, but for some reason, the world may be caught in a time loop.

Even if the time loop theory is a bust. The statues do seem to also fall into the grey area between game mechanics and lore.

[dusk zephyr]

Like, djinn, kind of?

[wind sluice]

Pft I dunno 😭 something like that

[keen shore]

What if our glowy insides are just a bunch of wax orbs and we’re kind of like a beehive with our own consciousness, where the wax makes up tiny portions of our insides and helps us gain power. This description makes no sense whatsoever but it’s the best I can phrase it.

Would explain why they give us light to fly and heal us, as well as having more candles (light) after collecting them :-)

[wind sluice]

I assume that, like skykids, their main purpose is to help- if that makes sense

[nimble ingot]

Imagine if a skykid dies, they drop wax.

Ohohohohohoh boy, that idea alone can start up a killing spree among skykids!

[orchid jolt]

i mean, thats just a theory. they could be skykids like us, maybe previous "models" of skykids who cant save themselves (going by the theory of the shiny boy we hug being ourselves), or something different entirely. I mean, sure in light awaits the statues had the names of our friends (like some of the skykids in orbit) but that falls under the same rule as concept art, ok for evidence but not proof as its not in the game today.

[keen shore]

The… capsule? gem? on our chest is just a temporary storage spot for light orbs as they get assimilated into the homogenous whole

[wind sluice]

Idk, in that case, going with my own theories, there would only be one statue, the king. Maybe there were other… special case skykids? Man I do not know haha

[keen shore]

I can’t decide whether the idea of us being sentient human shaped clay beehives is a cursed idea or a cute one

[orchid jolt]

.... soooo, not sure how to tell you this but, you know how burning the ball of darkness to relive a spirit memory gives a single peice of wax (note: it does NOT count towards our candle meter)?

[keen shore]

[cracks open skykid] RELEASE THE BEES

[wind sluice]

NOOOOO

[nimble ingot]

It doesn't?
huh, that is interesting...

[wind sluice]

okay I am making a skykid anatomy/biology doodle so like. If anyone wants to give me the most widely agreed theories, hand em over in case I miss something haha

[orchid jolt]

it not counting to the candle meter makes sense from a gameplay mechanic as otherwise sky kids would keep reliving a spirit memory and going home to relive the memory again.

[nimble ingot]

https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU?t=73

[keen shore]

I don’t think my idea is quite accepted yet but can you do a side one with the little wax guys getting assimilated into the soul please

[nimble ingot]

If possible, a cavity for the chest to house a source of light might be cool.
Other than that, I dont believe a skykids has organs per say.

[keen shore]

I hope they don’t, unless the clay is like skin and you can technically count it as an organ

[orchid jolt]

also, if you burn it incorectly, it will just shrink instead of popping into wax (memory will still be relived), same applies to the dark plants three spirit memories create (those count to the candle meter, and also work with daily refresh), so if you try to test it you may encounter that issue a couple of times.

[wind sluice]

Me neither. Except maybe something like a heart or uhm. uhhh stomach sort of thing??? basically just an open space for candle forging lmao 😭

so basically no genuine organs

[keen shore]

Maybe this is why skykids taste sweet because the waxbees produce something similar to honey /hj

[wind sluice]

that’s what the krill really want

Wax honey 😭

[keen shore]

Would explain why we never really crack open because the waxbee honey keeps us intact

Maybe if you try to look at the light inside it’s constantly pulsing and moving basically looking like a glowing swarm of bees… and that’s what their “heartbeat” is

Wait I just realized bees produce beeswax so THATS where our candle wax comes from

[wind sluice]

Also correct me if I am wrong but the spirits, as living creatures, did have organs, right? Lots of the goofy hints we get would suggest that, and they had more everyday items similar to what we see irl

[orchid jolt]

only one creature has a visible mouth in sky (ignoring petit prince and the narcisist spirit), mantas (not all mantas, but some do. the ones in prairie village that carry us to the temple have mouths). they may not be actual mouths and instead just be a visual thing that kinda look like mouths

[orchid jolt]

you know, sky kids have ears

[wind sluice]

They do seem to rely on hearing

[nimble ingot]

ixnay about the antamay ooppay

[orchid jolt]

we may be able to make candles without collecting any wax from candle running or social light places at all

[wind sluice]

AHH

[nimble ingot]

skykid has such fine hearing, they can see sounds, lol.

[keen shore]

They probably did but it’s not like we can dissect them or anything so who knows…

Also the idea that skykids make wax out of earwax …

[wind sluice]

some of these theories are getting so cursed

NO MAYBE IT’s best we don’t find out the spirit thing 😭😭😭

[nimble ingot]

Vela might get a chuckle from this.

Sky lore is like an Onion.
It has layers and the more you cut into them, the more you want to cry.

[orchid jolt]

spirits dont have organs.

[orchid jolt]

i checked

[keen shore]

Either from sadness or from stuff like this, either way

Wow can’t believe a krill is posting in lorechat

[wind sluice]

STOPP HAHAHAHA NONONO YOU ARE INVADING HER PRIVACY 😭

[nimble ingot]

first off, rude (XD)

Second, yes, ghosts tend to not have flesh.
The only thing I can see that sets these spirits aside from real life ghosts, are the darks spots in their chests.
Perhaps, that dark piece is holding them in place, preventing them from moving on.

[keen shore]

Maybe we can add “are spirits biological beings with organs and whatnot” to our hypothetical q&a list but honestly,.. do we want to know

[wind sluice]

I mean?? How are they drinking lattes, being allergic to dairy, and eating apple slices with salt and pepper?? 👁👄👁

[orchid jolt]

i mean, sanctuary guide DOES have something inside them, but it's the pendant. they ate the pendant.

(i think their model was just a bit to big to have the pendant on properly, but its kinda funny that if you put the camera inside the guide you just can see the pendant there)

[keen shore]

Also I just realized something. what would happen if one of the flight spirits just… fell off the island? I mean it’s not like they can die twice right

They act like they’ll fall to their deaths if they try to move between islands but WHY???

[wind sluice]

floaty hahaha float haha

[orchid jolt]

it would help in farming hearts.

[wind sluice]

the spirit guides you get a bunch of hearts from are octopus spirits confirmed

[nimble ingot]

I sometimes wonder what would be under the season of flight area.
I assume it could be uncharted islands or just very cloudy stretches of ocean.
Or heck, possibly parts of other realms that might be nearby (or under the area like the assembly treehouse for example).

[keen shore]

Please no, farming beings of light for their resources is how we got into this mess in the first place

[wind sluice]

Massachusetts

[orchid jolt]

take a spirits organs and use the heart to upgrade the emote from the spirit

[orchid jolt]

i mean, they may appreciate us giving them their previous physical remnants i guess....

[keen shore]

Reduce. Reuse. Recycle.

[nimble ingot]

In all honesty, guide giving hearts after a season is a very nice gesture from TGC to players that join afterwards.
While they learn how to play the game, try to make friends, and get to relive the latest season quests, the hearts help get them started.

[wind sluice]

yes it helped me a lot, I have been playing only a couple months

[orchid jolt]

spirits when a sky kid gives them a heart:

[keen shore]

While we’re on the topic of spirit organs I wonder why we never see any ancestor skeletons. There should be tons of them especially in places like valley of triumph and golden wasteland…
imagine if this is why we aren’t able to enter the houses in the dreams area because there are just dead people inside

[wind sluice]

That is fricked. I believe it now

also there are a lot of gravestones. I guess they just handled burial well…….

[nimble ingot]

Seeing remains of the ancestors would be cool. Though understandably not too pleasing for younger players.

It is a shame, though perhaps the statues that crumble away is the closest we can get.

[keen shore]

I want to say it’s because sky is supposed to be family friendly and human remains everywhere would defeat the purpose of that, but a few spirits straight up die in their spirit memories and there are remains of every other creature so…

#GiveUsSkeletons

[wind sluice]

Yeah maybe it’s just for keeping the game lighthearted

[nimble ingot]

The closest we would get to dead things is the ghost in office.
And the scariest thing in sky, thus far, are the dark dragons.

[keen shore]

It’s weird remembering this game is supposed to be for all ages because when you start thinking about things more than surface level they get dark fast

[orchid jolt]

https://youtu.be/r1-W8-_MVlQ

[wind sluice]

||eden is very tragic|| SORRY FORGOT TO SPOILER wait I don’t even have to… lord have mercy

[nimble ingot]

lol, I did get stuck in there by accident.
Had to wait for a friend to bail me out. XD

[orchid jolt]

what if, hear me out, spirits are the bones? (concept art, not truly canon to the game tho)

[wind sluice]

exoskeletons oh boy

Working on the thing I mentioned

Moth done! Now to add the technical stuff. Again, if anyone has anything they think should be included, tell me! ^^

[compact shale]

Maybe the uncharted location of the server icon /hj

[nimble ingot]

Look great, Bitbit 🙂
I already gave my suggestion.

Also, please do include eyes in the head for the anatomy sketch.

[wind sluice]

what do you mean by that 🤲

[nimble ingot]

There are some theories suggestion skykids are blind. Mostly because of the maskless look shows the skykid's eyes closed.
If they can blink, they got eyes.

[wind sluice]

oh yes, of course ^^

[orchid jolt]

probably cursed idea ahead merely to show how little we actually know about the world of sky and how our assumptions about our own world affect our assumptions about the world of sky:

i mean, for all we know, they could just be closing and opening their mouths. at least they have the decency to keep their mouths closed when not using a face covering.

[wind sluice]

honk comes from their eyes ☺️☺️☺️

[orchid jolt]

i mean, it WOULD explain why my attempts to comply with covid protocals didnt work in sky...

[wind sluice]

oh wow 😭

[keen shore]

So would the sky equivalent of face masks be sunglasses

[wind sluice]

SNOTTY

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
I would love to see that mask be revisited and given a 'face-up'

Even if it gets a little bit of shape would be a huge improvement.

[boreal nebula]

Only now I kind of see why it's called Season of Dreams (plural)

[orchid jolt]

The mask or that there's no special thing for using one of the "face masks" with that emote?

[nimble ingot]

I havent thought of it like that.
There is the skatergirl, the mother (who is the guide), then all of the other folks that helped along the way.
The dancer in the yellow coat, the twirling woman with the pheasant mask, the rabbit masked postman, and the yeti hermit.

[wind sluice]

Uhm, please give me feedback for how this is so far.. It’s kind of a mess, sorry 😭 don’t expect too much out of me. Please give suggestions too ),: and yes mind my handwriting. Sorry

[orchid jolt]

The cape merely turns white when extinguished, it doesn't dissapear

[wind sluice]

When you lose all the light before losing a wing

[orchid jolt]

Oooh

[boreal nebula]

Each one of the Spirits have a wish come true
Skater obviously achieved her
Dreams Mama could finish her gift for Skater
Yeti could overcome his isolation
Shy Postman was a bit afraid about the Yeti, but in the final cutscene (we can rewatch it now) finally bearhugs him
The Spin Master found again pleasure in skating, after being able to pass her teachings into Skater
The Musician Dancer finally found a place to stay (to me he seemed errant) and even stopped his drinking habits

[orchid jolt]

Also, the light in the center of our chests dissapear when we hold our red candle.

[keen shore]

Did I miss the dancing performer being an alcoholic or something

[wind sluice]

Oh yes yes thank you for reminding me! Adding that info now

[tulip aspen]

omg i love it!!!!

[boreal nebula]

He arrives with a pot 🍯 alongside, in the final cutscenes he tHrow it away

[orchid jolt]

Reminder to never bring slouching soldier with you to the prophecy trials. They will not ever leave the water trial.

[wind sluice]

Adding more color as well

[tulip aspen]

yoooo what an observation 👀 👀 👀

[keen shore]

Imagine they’re from daylight prairie and it’s just an addiction to pots in general /j
But seriously, I did not notice that

[tulip aspen]

"why do you keep drowning"

"to forget....."

"to forget what?"

"to forget that i am drowning!!! "

[wind sluice]

Golden wasteland is just alcohol land

[keen shore]

Wait, the implication that pots are just to store alcohol probably isn’t canon due to all the butterflies in them, but it does explain why everyone is so obsessed with them…

[frigid tinsel]

Drunk butterflies

[hushed steeple]

Its really good! BUT I WILL DENY ANY SKYKID ANATOMY THAT HAS THEM WITH MORE THAN TOOTHPICK LEGS THEY HAVE IN GAME. I cope by saying the switch trailer characters are only for ancestors since we see no skykids in it.

I would not dare even touch this game ever if they had more detailed legs and foot nononono

[keen shore]

Maybe butterflies help with the fermentation process or something. Does this mean prairie elder is just really drunk all the time

[nimble ingot]

This is not bad at all.
Drawing style is nice, the colours are vibrant and the notes makes this a very nice investigation in the work.
Also, handwriting is just fine

Skykids could be like Golems (headcanon), as they are not entirely alive, but certainly not dead things. Perhaps like Pinocchio, they are like children, but are not true living human beings (flesh and bone).
I like to think their skin is like wax, or clay since it is flexible but tough enough to withstand harsh knocks and hits from falling rocks.
Skykids dont need to eat or drink, though can do so if they like. They dont need sleep, but do benefit from it (refreshing the rate they can gather wax efficiently).

It is possible that all characters in the game (unless stated otherwise), do have mouths.
As seen in promotional videos, TGC's work can be verydetailed, though the game itself has a limit to how much details make it into the game. Such as the skykid models do not have fingers, though most spirits can afford to have them. As for mouths, this could be a stylistic choice, as in previous games, most (if not all) characters do not have mouths even though they can talk. Perhaps the lack of mouths makes it easier to animate and also encourage players to use their imaginations while the game implies that character can talk. (see the Little Prince's interactions). Lastly, about the Little Prince, his character model does include a mouth.
This detail may be part of the character design and does show the devs try to include as much detail as the can, even though the game still inhibits mouth animations. Hence why the little prince's mouth never moves or opens, because not other speaking character does so (the whale is excluded because it's mouth is very big, but it does not talk).

[nimble ingot]

Butterflies in real life are a good indicator that the air is clean in the area they are found.

Even though it is very sad that the butterflies are missing in the graveyard, perhaps it is a necessary sacrifice to truly imply the area is polluted and the air is too toxic for butterflies there.

[frigid tinsel]

I’m just gonna...

__ my working theory on the composition of a skykid__
—clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
—a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, ash, or charcoal) that has a hole in the chest.
—this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light.
—their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
—their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[hushed steeple]

Most official art skykids have mitt hands. If I remember right the prototype figure they showed off had fingers. It BUGGED MYSELF.

[nimble ingot]

lol, I forgot he does that!
That jar either does imply he drinks, or he was looking for tips. Your observation is making lean more on the former.

Maybe his dream is he gets to perform in the coliseum, even if it was for a bit to help the skater girl practice.

[keen shore]

I doubt skykids are made of charcoal because they would just combust to be honest

Side note: what is everyone’s thoughts on spirits being able to talk? I feel like they could maybe when they were alive but now just use sign language due to some anatomical limitation with not being able to breathe & produce sound… but notably, no one makes sound in the switch trailer; maybe they couldn’t do anything more complex than honks much like us

[hushed steeple]

I like talking spirits! I would not be too shocked to see them again. I think they could speak to eachother at least, during life as well

Help battle the every growing vagueness >:/

[nimble ingot]

Real life ghosts (or in theory at least), could speak, though apparently it is not a simple feat for them.

I am no expert, nor have I researched that topic. All I know is there are some folks that did documentaries and some of them do seem plausible.
Though whether ghosts are real or not, are still an open debate.

[hushed steeple]

“Im no expert on ACTUAL REAL GHOST”

[orchid jolt]

i mean, they can be used to store different things. just not at the same time.

[wind sluice]

here. I cannot add much else if there are any more suggestions !!

[frigid tinsel]

I only list charcoal as a possibility cos Zhao’s concepts had ancestors and elders composed of charcoal, possibility magic-induced or else it wouldn’t be a functioning body and the flame offerings might be less than ideal for them.
Though when an elder accepts a light offering, their bodies do light up.

Spirits prob do talk, ancestors prob did talk, they just don’t in-game for whatever reason. Audio and finding voice actors might be finicky. Though the Little Prince spirits did talk via subtitles. TGC probably doesn’t do that for all spirits cos they don’t want to or technical limitations.

[wind sluice]

Off topic on my side, but I would die to hear the elders speak.

[orchid jolt]

stop being able to make good drawings so quickly.

(seriously, good drawing skils)

[wind sluice]

Haha thank you 😭👉👈 I didn’t expect that reaction, It’s not my best work whatsoever

[frigid tinsel]

Ah, the age ol’ question of “what’s true in universe and what’s a game mechanic?”

[nimble ingot]

The closest you would get is a groan from daylight prairie elder, and a grunt from wasteland elder.

Though even a single word, would make the all of the lore-driven skykids go bananas.

[orchid jolt]

https://youtu.be/4IHhAMhLNb8
https://youtu.be/fJQv6X8jb1M

[wind sluice]

SKYKIDS LIKE ME, YEAH. Rewatching those just to hear ‘SNNNZ’ and ‘HUH?’ And ‘RAGH’

[keen shore]

I would cry of happiness if we heard spirits or elders talk in general #morespiritaction2021

Although my theory about them using sign language (I recently modified it to include them humming at the same time as sort of tone indicators) just makes me happy in general because sign languages usually get passed over in fantasy/fiction

[frigid tinsel]

I headcanon that the elders don’t speak to moths and do their ceremonial cutscenes to set up their mysterious older vibe but with repeat visits they’ll open more and eventually just be casual

[wind sluice]

ah just like visiting abel sisters

[keen shore]

The valley elders seem like the type of “people” to just talk to you for hours about stuff they’re interested in so I can see that

[wind sluice]

they can talk to me all they want 😳.

[nimble ingot]

The valley twins dont like skykids that are too tall. The make you sink into the ground.
They dont like short stacks either, they make you float in the air like a sacrificial buddha.

[wind sluice]

does light awaits stuff count as a beta spoiler by any chance? 😭

[frigid tinsel]

Okay, straight up, even since I got near max height, I’m sunk in the ground during The Valley elder(s) cutscene so you may have a point

[nimble ingot]

You may hear some skykids call it 'beta'
Though that is the beta before the global release. It may be best to call it Light awaits stuff to avoid confusion.

The beta for the current game is not allowed in the lore chat, because it is not yet in the live game and subject to change before release.

if it is online, then you share a link.
Perhaps google drive?

Also, I managed to download your video, thanks my guy XD

[wind sluice]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_RJ9Bgghu5E?feature=share

[hushed steeple]

I think its also ok to talk about beta stuff that ALREADY RELEASED, but had things cut that never got in live. Like plastic assembly cape

[nimble ingot]

That could be a bit of a slippery slope.
If it was cut from the game and is past its time in beta. Then sure, I suppose.

[hushed steeple]

Thats what I mean yeppy

[wind sluice]

they simplified the cutscene heheh

Made it less “We are trying to look cool” and more “we are just cool and funny”

[hushed steeple]

I like how they try to look like 1 person now. . And the helicopter twins was a bit..........well I like them silly but that was overly silly.

[wind sluice]

yeah that makes me laugh looking back at it, I am so glad that part was changed 😭

[hushed steeple]

Even the skykid was like “what the &($( is happeninnnnnggg “

[wind sluice]

LIKE STOP STOP YOU’RE SCARING ME 😭😭😭

[hushed steeple]

Their beyblade skills are too frightening

[wind sluice]

helikopter or spiNNnNnN sky meme origin

[hushed steeple]

I did like how you actually see the cube click into the ceiling in Teth’s though :/

[frigid tinsel]

hELiKoPteR HeLiKOpTeR

[wind sluice]

yes, and how Tsadi opens the gate for you etc. they only kept that idea in Ayin’s cutscene.

[hushed steeple]

I want all elders to have glow during their cutscenes. I remember in one of Teths she just half charges herself when all the others fully charge, and uses the rest for precious cube

[wind sluice]

But she also looks like a… hmm sheeeesh loser 😳😳😳😳😳 I am kidding but as a comment in the gameplay says, they made her act a lot cooler later on.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I want ceiling click but also I need to keep SNIPE AWAY LIGHT

[wind sluice]

yoink

[keen shore]

Man I just want more details on every character in the worlds personality, I practically live for them…
what’s everyone’s theories on the elders relationships with each other

[tulip aspen]

you should ask the king propaganda members; their headcanons on the elders are wonderful

[willow prawn]

First headcanon: Forest elder is annoyed at everyone, and everyone is annoyed to Valley elders

[tulip aspen]

the flight spirits honk at each other, dont they?

[sharp lichen]

OLIVE GARDEN

[nimble ingot]

The dawn elder seems more distant to the other elders.
His mask is not on the eden gate, his realm is all but abandoned (more so than other realms), and there does not seem to me much signs of interactions.

If he were to be a ferry man, then he would be the one that is responsible for the boats.
While valley's boats seem to be the most active, they are part of a season area. The boats found outside of season areas are grounded and destroyed.

[tulip aspen]

): thats what i hated when i worked with a studio production

the amount of cut content and concepts that never make it to the green light makes me so sad

[keen shore]

I think the general consensus? explanation? is that the dawn elder isn’t as respected by the others and as a result not considered on the same level as them
basically whenever they talk everyone else answers “be quiet old man”

[hushed steeple]

“Your head is banished from the eden door”

[fringe chasm]

So, like, who are the skykids and why are they stealing some spirits capes and hair?

[nimble ingot]

not stealing, imitating.
You trade with the spirits to gain these cosmetics.

[hushed steeple]

You are earning the fashions of the dead people as their next generation hybrid babies

That are not their litteral hybrid babies

Conceptual hybrid.

[rigid mural]

that's why I am getting my hands on that concept art book

[fringe chasm]

I see. So, like, how weird is it to have a skykid be totally blinged out with full on mask, scarf, and fur cape, and everything? Like i see the moth as the default, so I'm beginning to see the skykids who have a lot of cosmetics as a rarity or uncommon is the canon universe

[hushed steeple]

It means they befriended lots of cool spirits lore wise

Spirit cosmetics lore wise are gifts of spirit gratitude for saving and befriending them

[fringe chasm]

Wow so the same spirits needs to be saved by a bunch of different skykids?

[orchid jolt]

correct. the sky kids were not the hybrid babies, those were something else.

[keen shore]

I’d imagine it’s probably different in canon, for example there’s probably a lot more spirits and they don’t have to be relived by each one, unless there’s a reason only a small portion of spirits are trapped in the world
It’s really hard to tell what’s real in the universe and what’s just true for ease of gameplay or gameplay mechanics

[fringe chasm]

I see.

[hushed steeple]

The ones you posted are not what I mean. I mean that skykids are a conceptual hybrid of indifference and connection.

Personally the cyborg stone kid is pretty cool too though

[orchid jolt]

i know. i just decided that since hybrids were mentioned to share the image again lol

[frigid tinsel]

Something something Zhao’s concepts

[pastel brook]

You rang?

[tulip aspen]

mEtaPhoRiCal and pAleTtE wIsE

[distant turtle]

Grandma told me she knits skykids out of yarn

[tulip aspen]

grandma told me she is king

[nimble ingot]

art book???

[boreal nebula]

I for example didn't notice the bearhug between Postman and Yeti... When there was another merchandise preorder I saw a drawing of them together but I had no memory of that happening... ("Why doesn't he hug Skater Girl!?" )

[boreal nebula]

He'd wish...!
But since I think Slouch or his dark water as fully canon, I think that would be highly unlikely. Wasteland waters are poison IMHO

[boreal nebula]

There were butterflies in game

You know the circle of stones in the chamber above the Sneaky Survivor?

After you burned those darkplants bulbs we could free them!

I wish they'd never removed... I left some feedback about them too

[orchid jolt]

tbh, i have no idea. i remember finding it from this channel and sending the image in a dm to someone. then at some point digging through my dms to find it and download it

[nimble ingot]

I know. I know :_:
I was sad to burn the plant and then no butterflies

[orchid jolt]

apparently they werent fitting for wasteland's vibe or whatever... at least they have the company of the traveling rock and the non-season questgiver....

[boreal nebula]

But
..
They were a glimpse of hope. We could at least save them, like we can still save trapped mantas

[boreal nebula]

I still wonder if they are mocking with this rock... Seriously.. how can we spot a rock

[orchid jolt]

yah, i didnt like that decision either. i remember someone telling me that the devs said that they didnt fit the vibe because of the whole hope thing. so take my word or the person who told me's word with a grain of salt

[orchid jolt]

i've heard it doesnt actually exist in game. its not in the most recent patch notes so we may never know...

[nimble ingot]

Patch notes

• Removed Herobrine

[boreal nebula]

LOOOL.. I cannot even talk about "The P oo P" that I get censored by the filter (figurative speech, a treasure hunt about something dropped somewhere. The hints were given here in Lore, but I don't think we've ever found out what it really was/is.. )

Hardest Treasure hunt ever.. even more than this travelling rock

A.k.a. the dropping

[compact shale]

Hey Lorechat whats going on?

[nimble ingot]

doing some midnight cr. how about you?
The chat was on about wasteland butterflies, and skykids

[compact shale]

Nice nice

Good

[boreal nebula]

Little thing.. I entered Eden the other day with just one WL and even if I was far from losing my light completely I could hear my movements and step with a clearer sound of something ... Breaking... Maybe as charcoal.. but I cannot be sure.

Anyway it could possibly just be that I forced the game to accept me (despite the limit of 20 WLs minimum) So I heard the same sound there is muffled by the perpetual rock rain

[arctic kettle]

Lore chat i need y'all wisdom? Is there any information about the diamond shape on the sky children head? I wanna make art of the sky child anatomy/biology

[nimble ingot]

The diamond symbol is important to the sky kingdoms.
It symbolises power and progress. It was also associated with the king of sky.

The diamond the forehead is part of the mask. The skykids themselves so not seem to have that marking on their faces. Although the mark on the chest is consistent no matter the outfit.

Hope this helps.

[arctic kettle]

It does, thank you so much ^•^

[boreal nebula]

@arctic kettle @nimble ingot but maybe it doesn't ties just to power and the king.. after all most of animals we see have a diamon pattern too, various types of mantas, jellyfish, butterflies (somewhere I read a dev comment about fish being to small to have a diamond pattern, so they were modelled out of a diamon polygon)

[rigid mural]

I think this belongs here so...
The lore chat paradox.

[nimble ingot]

That is true.
Would it also be part of the Megabird?

[boreal nebula]

Maybe... But it's too big for us to spot one giant diamond on Megabird "surface"

[tulip aspen]

me with the intro

[arctic kettle]

Maybe like signature or Marking of megabird like "yeah i did that"

[tulip aspen]

"my og intro analysis was controversial because i thought it was obvious it stated things clearly and everyone else just supposedly didnt pay as much attention

and then from there i made my assumptions and then put evidence on it, and that was how my research started as a platform

the og timeline made by my og intro study was:

"stars fall from giant sentient mass of light floating in space, land on world turning humanoid and gain shells from ground around them becoming Ancestors, Elders sent by Light to save ancestors, Ancestors refuse help, they build kingdom, wars happen, bad things happen, long time after skykids are sent by Light to save everyone"

it generally got debunked because someone had a massively convincing argument that "stars falling" referred to apocalypse that destroyed kingdom, and not light being knocked from Sky that eventually forms ancestors

but this launch stream thing is explicitly saying exACTly what my original assumption said

what do i do anymore

iirc ash telling me intro is perfect english and a straight message to those who have read the lore bible tired_face tired_face tired_face tired_face

guys, we take for granted SO dang much just how important that quote from them was

if we should be able to piece together the main secret via reading the intro, then through enough logic and common sense, we don't have to WAFO for ANYthing, we just have to actually put our heads together for once la sigh"

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it's just beyond our grasp people

we have to try eventually, please

also raider pointed out something really important that might help us prove the king really might indeed not be an elder

[boreal nebula]

This probably was what started the "Dropping" treasure hunt

[rigid mural]

jam leaking the secret server ohno
Honestly I try not to think too deep about the intro because it gets real confusing since it changes depending on language and update, props to you for looking deeper into it.

[hushed steeple]

What part of the launch stream you thinking says that? Theres a lotta stuff that looks like it was a cycle. Before stars fell.

I gotta fight the ever nagging theory that everything I think is perfectly clear too. :/ AND YALL JUST LIKE PORING TOO MUCH SYRUP ON IT >:/

[rigid mural]

Maybe the king is also their castle ? Look at the constellation going through it

[tulip aspen]

||i cropped should i delete||

[rigid mural]

No I was joking

[hushed steeple]

But how I see the basic timeline is, light and darkness exist, light has a cycle of rebirth, “something bad happens” to make darkness come and the stars, who are the people in the cycle who where currently dead, fell to the ground, where eventually the rest of the living population was also wiped out, and it prolly had something to do with the dead half falling.

Without either half in motion they have no way to get back up. Till skykids.

[hushed steeple]

A character you are connected to? You all know what I think that means :/ AND IT FITS EVERYTHING

[tulip aspen]

i mean yeah they're imprints of your kind ofc theyre connected to u

[boreal nebula]

And these were all the things we kind of knew about the "Dropping" but around begin of October 2020 we all gave up the Treasure Hunt

[hushed steeple]

That I agree with. The idea they are what fell to create ancestors, I do not.

I think they are tied specifically with skykids and hardly existed during ancestor times

[tulip aspen]

you mean imprints right?

also yes lol cotl and imprints of cotl are two different things

[hushed steeple]

yes you all already know what I think it means

Jam thats just your terminology. Not even the devs called them cotl consistantly