lore-discussion-spoilers

[tulip aspen]

i was literally about to say that symbolizing is what it makes me feel lol

all life and light moving as one in beautiful and perpetual harmony

any other nitpicks fruity?
i dont want to ever think it's 'finished', i wanna make this as sharp and 'canon' as possible

[compact shale]

Right now? No, nothing I can think of. It's fair enough to think it will never be finished, Sky's story the way it is feels organic, like it's almost alive and it's still being grown

As long as the game is still alive, the story will grow as well, and lorechat will never forget its roots, whether canon or not.

[tulip aspen]

no of course not, i dont want the blanks to be filled, thats the whole theme going on with sky
itd be boring knowing everything about it
itd be boring actually knowing what happened surrounding the eye of eden
itd take away the wonder if we knew who and what megabird is, similar to an actual deity lolol
but i think
if moths are confused
the story should, in some capacity
explain this (what my intro analysis says) in-game, but actually functionable
soooo ima add this crep to my giant update thing lolol

[harsh pecan]

It’s kinda sad not being able to befriend spirits because it’s seen as a distraction

[tulip aspen]

a distraction for moths maybe but you can easily just lock the ability behind going to Eden or ascending the spirit then lol

that excuse has always been kinda lame to me tbh

[harsh pecan]

Yea but there’s practically no lore

[compact shale]

Indeed, even though I created the angst in the first place

though it does also imply that befriending the spirits can lead to the forging of a fate only us can concieve

only time can tell

[tulip aspen]

theres a lot of lore right in the intro, wanna read my analysis of it?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNuL12VgxIoRl57s-bkYFiAg1a7D42n8WvsaiPNyzI4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[harsh pecan]

Sure

[compact shale]

As for the filling of blanks, Jam... the way TGC does it somehow opens up smaller but somewhat significant blanks for lorechat to fixate on... the lore is almost like a living being, not quite perfect, still shifting, shedding some parts (though we don't know what's being shed), etc.

[harsh pecan]

Woah I love your analysis of it :0

[compact shale]

What excuse is lame?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe it’s shedding old lore

[compact shale]

It probably is, though it's nearly impossible to tell what most of those shedded parts are

[tulip aspen]

saying itd be too distracting from the "original point of the game"

i like you point that spirits are supposed to just ascend tho

[harsh pecan]

Hmmmm

[tulip aspen]

Alright, I think I've made a better organized/readable version of it

[compact shale]

In personal terms, yeah I agree it's pretty OOGH as a revelation

[compact shale]

pspsps universe part hasnt been edited tho :/

[tulip aspen]

elnelnrklr i only fixed it for the analysis thingy not the normal teexttt

(tbf, that line of mine wasn't about it being the center of the universe; but that it creates almost all life in the universe)
(but yes i did just edit it now lol)

heyyyy speaking of

the only creatures we can safely assume arent created by the Sky.... are crabs

even KRILLS are more holy than them

[compact shale]

Ah. Ok.

wait, then WHO THE HELL CREATED CRABS?!

edit: ohh, so that's what you mean by a blank.

[tulip aspen]

they just do be exisitng tho
i can relate

[nimble ingot]

They look like Bao Buns.

[compact shale]

Conspiracy: What if they're failed darkstone experiments that came to life

That would explain why they look like that in the switch trailer but it wouldn't explain why they look different now and why they're edible

[tulip aspen]

id like to think the creatures in that trailer were just organic creatures from earth

crabs seem to be light creatures, if i have to look at this closer, but they got contaminated and are now mad

crabs would be / were my perfect example to connect to my idea of a sky kid's body being a hollow stone body with the light contained inside

cos crabs are almost definitely made of stone

back to those organic wild crabs, i so so wish we could see them in game
i don't see why they wouldnt couldnt be around

TGCcccc

[compact shale]

I guess crabs are the ignored child, considering that they don't even have confirmation that they're part of The Sky

Dear TGC, give the crabs some lorey love, sincerely Fruity

[tulip aspen]

if crabs are made of stone skids are made of clay

if crabs are just vibing animals then uhhh idk anymore i wont touch skids at that point lolol

it just seems so much more mystical and indie if descendants and ancestors are spirits of light with corporeal vessels, rather than ancestors being just some dumb alive people

BUT
id take a yes or no, because at least itd be an answer

[nimble ingot]

crabs have only one variant (not counting the friendly ones since they are the same in appearance), in the game.

It would be interesting if they can become larger and even have elder variants.

I know about the kebab crabs being bigger than the usual crabs, but they are dead.

[compact shale]

Yeah, they're definitely the middle child.

Please, TGC... give the crabs a role in the story...

[tulip aspen]

big crab: Hey i heard you need help headbutting the glowy children?

crab: aren't you dead?

big crab: I... what? No, I'm not-

crab: you are dead

big crab:

[compact shale]

Raider, Jam, why are you calling the mod-summoning crab? did I say something forbidden?

https://media.tenor.com/videos/3c53e008053222b34f6e0933f9e59e91/mp4

Yeet giant crab rave

[tulip aspen]

(im not exactly sure lolol)

btw, raiden, can you proofread my intro analysis too?

im trying to analyze and summarize the 2 versions of the intro to sky, but without adding any headcanon and trying to make it as 'canon' as possible

[rain lance]

Hello lore chat,
what spirit is it? Bird call? I'm confused coz of cape and prop

[compact shale]

Ah, it's the Questgiver/Grandma from the Season of Belonging!

[rain lance]

Thank you

[mellow geode]

does anybody know what happened in the latest seasonal quest? I can’t seem to play a finger on it

[jaunty tapir]

Looks like a krill is trying to go inside. Idk how it ends up bringing rocks but the momentum from the wind path pummeled the debris everywhere along with big darkness plants. Also, eye of eden bg music haha.

[dapper acorn]

This is exciting hehehe

[rigid mural]

UM GUYS ??? This wasn't here before...

[icy spruce]

Sskdiskdidskidstauetskidaturte

[jaunty tapir]

Yeah!!! The new update brought it but no details were given in the patch notes

[orchid jolt]

Guys

[icy spruce]

What

[rigid mural]

My theory is that it represents a skykid.

[orchid jolt]

The rock.

[jaunty tapir]

Oooh yeah! Makes sense. The cape matches with our cape too.

[icy spruce]

What the rock.

[orchid jolt]

The patch notes rock

[orchid jolt]

You know how Mojang forgot to remove Herobrine in the patch notes before? Yah so sky's patch notes this time don't mention the rock...

[icy spruce]

Oh no.

[orchid jolt]

I know....

[icy spruce]

What happened to the rock? Did tgc krilled it? If so, that’s unfortunate.

[orchid jolt]

🪨

[icy spruce]

[frigid tinsel]

this suggests that spirits (even as spirits) can sleep. Debatable whether they need sleep, but they are capable of sleeping. Thus dude is prob just sleeping here to pass the time. Given it's going to be two days til the spell shop opens at Home, I wonder if spirits can choose or control how long they sleep for.

which makes me wonder whether skykids need sleep. I don't think they do, but given their idle animation shows them sleeping, I'm sure skykids are also not dependent on sleep yet capable of doing so.

[tidal valve]

maybe sleep is something sky kids have learnt from spirits (-: the slumbering shipwrights in prairie has a sleep emote and so does and snoozing carpenter

just like how when we are born we are just blank slates, learning emotion and feelings from the spirits throughout sky!

but also, sky kids do snooze when afk so wether that points to them needing sleep or just an emotion they’ve mimicked from others? i don’t know

also: my home space doesn’t have the snoozing merchant oWo ?

[lethal stump]

it seems most skykids learn to express things by the spirits, but assuming our control of them is interpreted as them having sentience, perhaps they can feel things but need instruction to know how to express them. that or they're entirely blank and are only taught emotions by spirits and elders

[shut trellis]

I agree with the first statement the most, I personally thought they had emotions and stuff since it would make sense, when we first played the game we had feelings in the game but didn't really express it. (curiosity, fear, etc.) but then we learn to show emotioms from spirits.

I wonder if they (skykids) can do it (do emotes) naturally without having to conciously think about it. If they can, how long does it take to do so and how would they know what emote means what emotion? can they sense it or do the spirits explain-?

[compact shale]

The spirit is sleeping with their eyes open.

[river crystal]

I heard about that statue like a long time ago but I think it’s now coming out or maybe it’s just an event thing🤷‍♀️

[compact shale]

If it wasn't there before...
and nothing is mentioning it...
that can only mean...
something is approaching...

[river crystal]

I had a weird thought, what if we’re actually all moth , it explains why we call new players moth And why some of the creatures names are literally light(Because moths love light); this could hypothetically explain why kills harm us because they’re made out of “darkness”. I know this game is about life, at first I thought was talking about human life but what if talking about a moth life

[lofty void]

yall

[cinder flax]

This was being written while I was around Belonging Grandma. The food she makes and then sets on the plate is inedible by us, and so we then put our candle to it and pops into something edible for us, wax/light. This means the entire meme idea of us eating wax/light is canon. (Also helo, I have been dead for some time)

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's what I've been thinking too. I don't believe skykids, once born, lack emotion, rather they lack the ability to express it. It's only when interacting with spirits and elders (and other skykids in my personal headcanon) that, by copying them, they learn the means to express their emotions.

So when they're copying spirits sleeping, I think they do start off just copying them, but do learn how to sleep and perhaps the utility in sleeping (if they ever feel the need or want to do so).

[dusk beacon]

So uhh....

WHO IS DIS--

[frigid tinsel]

looks like the corrupted king. They're not actually in the game, but you can see their façade in the Golden Wasteland in battlefield.

[dapper acorn]

Frightening…

[dusk beacon]

I'm sorry, the who da what now?

[lofty void]

Resh!

You are not immune to propoganda

[dusk beacon]

Corrupted king??????

[frigid tinsel]

it's all from Tom Zhao's concept art for the game. Some theorists like using them due to the dearth of lore in-game and the lack of a concrete canon. Here's one of Zhao's concepts of the king next to his statue and a skykid. big fellow.

[dapper acorn]

From what I’m seeing online he was supposed to be a final boss .
Here’s the Reddit link

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyChildrenOfLight/comments/hppbqt/so_i_found_out_that_there_was_a_scrapped_corrupt/

[frigid tinsel]

yea, based on the concept art, at some point the king was corrupted by power diamonds. They were, yea, intended to a final boss in Eden who would yeet obstacles at blokes

someone's crushing hard on the king /j

[dapper acorn]

I love this !!! I guess they wanted to make the game less violent lol 😂 but I would have loved to be able to fight Krills !! And whatever that king is supposed to be !

[nimble ingot]

The king is not aiming at skykids, mind you.
He is fighting a creature lurking in the clouds.

[frigid tinsel]

honestly the concept art gives me chills – in a good way, of course. It's definitely a lot darker than what Sky is now and I'm so boned so few of Zhao's ideas made it into the game.

[lofty void]

concept teth looks like a wine mom

[raw crypt]

Hi! Please do not post art that isn’t your own!

This is not official concept art of The King, but the King is a character who is not physically present in game, but in the world building and story

[frigid tinsel]

I was on the hunt for the artist, hate when people post without credit: https://twitter.com/dirtyhands56/status/1460027714933596165

speaking of art, while I understand why people utilize Zhao's concept art in their theorists, I don't personally rely on them when coming up with my own concepts. Don't get me wrong – it's well crafted, it's intriguing, it's interesting seeing what ideas were tossed around during the development of the game. But when it comes to things that are actually in the game (or book, or show, or other piece of media) at the present, that's what I fixate on cos that's what I see and interact with.

Granted, I'm definitely using some of these details when writing fic cos I know the technical limitations of mobile gaming sucks but words do not and I like to imagine some of these concepts are in game while playing. His work very much fills in some gaps I can't answer.

which is why I'm musing a lot on biology rn. what are skykids? are skykids blind? what sort of society do they have? what were ancestors? how do spirits function? why is everyone wearing masks?

this is not a diss on those who utilize the concept art, it's just how my brain words so yall have background on my thought processes

[frigid tinsel]

that reminds me of this from concept art Eden. It does look like the king is punching something. Wonder what was supposed to be lurking in the clouds post-corruption.

[rigid mural]

Looks like an elder fish ... or eel.

[compact shale]

punch the fishe

[frigid tinsel]

Isn’t that a light creature? While indifferent to us, what did it do to get socked here?

I say indifferent cos this would've been such a magical moment

[dusk beacon]

I deeply apologize, it won't happen again

I shall provide sauce for pics in the future, usually I'm pretty good about providing sauce

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[hushed steeple]

With the stars united our light was infinite. By it we lived in harmony here in the clouds, and soon became many. Just as we thought we were reaching new innovations, darkness came and the stars fell, and with their light we faded away. If only we had listened. A long time has passed, now we call to you. Go forth child, bring our lost stars home.

[compact shale]

Kamilico, would you like to see Jam's Introduction Project?

[hushed steeple]

I saw it. Agree on many points. The idea skirits arw sposnrsjdnd. Spirits are supposed to return and didnt is kinda odd. How do you fail to die?

[thin dirge]

Well, King and Prince are sort of confirmed canon in current lore rather than only being concepts by the devs...
Sadly, not many know this and think we're making assumptions solely based on the concepts

[compact shale]

My guess is that darkness is keeping them stuck in the ground. Which is why they all have dark orbs inside them. There's also the theory that the spirits are in stasis and that darkness isn't as bad as you think. Let me just...

Here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[thin dirge]

Tho, this means Prince and King can still be interepreted as non-existant, sooo

[lethal stump]

devs have said the king and prince exist

[compact shale]

The devs say the king isn't around to be saved

[hushed steeple]

I think its more, they became disinterested, thus didnt fill with light or something. I think darkness represents instinct. Its not evil but it has no emotions.

[thin dirge]

Oh, you're still here

[lethal stump]

i pop in every now and then...but recently something has piqued my interest, so i'm hoping to be around lore chat a bit more now

[compact shale]

Pray tell, what is it, Bricky?

edit: Really now, Bricky? 🧱

[thin dirge]

Is it the new Season's quest?
Oh, alright

[lethal stump]

i cannot say

[compact shale]

Alright then...

When will you update the lore docs, Bricky?

[lethal stump]

i can do that right now actually...which ones do you want me to update ? the theory one ? thats the only one i have editing perms aside from the moff one

[compact shale]

Yes, please

[lethal stump]

proof, btw

[compact shale]

Yeah the theory doc needs updating

-Post-Prophecy lore
-Theories about skykid eyes
-Distraction theory
-The Introduction Project (it's really big so you're gonna need permission from the creator)

[lethal stump]

as editor I don't tend to add theories. if you want a theory added, do so yourself, but i only manage the layout and organization. i can take care of adding post-prophecy, though !

[compact shale]

Ohghhh I see

I thought it had to be approved by THE COUNCIL

[lethal stump]

they do need to be approved, but thats only because we dont want people randomly griefing and ruining others' work. so everyone but myself and butter (iirc) are on suggesting mode so that we can make sure yall follow the format and remain respectful ^^

[shut trellis]

Wait, sorry for bursting in but what is the distraction theory?

[harsh pecan]

Mhm

[harsh pecan]

I think it’s the one that stated that befriending spirits is a distraction from our goal

[shut trellis]

Ohh okay, thanks!

[compact shale]

Yes this exactly

It's pretty recent afaik

[lethal stump]

to add to this: we allow all theories as long as they are not inappropriate (i.e., go against the guidelines here). we do not control what theories people post ! only their organization. if you want a theory accepted, you must include your discord tag in the addition, that is all you have to do. theres even a template !

[shut trellis]

I don't completely agree with the Distraction theory, because we need to relive spirits and ascend them to like, free 'em.

[compact shale]

Eh, I think what it meant is that we can relive them, but we can't befriend them. Two different things.

[hushed steeple]

I think playing the game after freeing all the spirits and rebirthing is a possible canon.....so....its possible to say you already accomplished the goal by the time you become buds.

[harsh pecan]

Maybe there are still many spirits that haven’t been freed idk

[shut trellis]

That makes sense but what does befriending them count as? Would unlocking nodes count? doesn't the node where we use the AC ascend them? (i personally think reliving = freeing and than using ac ascends them to the orbit or smthin but im probably wrong)

[hushed steeple]

I kinda like the idea its the season of the stars that brings them close enough to find and free. But yeah nothing proves that.

[shut trellis]

I think so too, its a whole civilization theres going to be many people

[compact shale]

Yes, we haven't completed the mission left. New areas still have to be found, each with their own spirits. We're wasting time over here fellow skids.

[compact shale]

Not the AC nodes, but maybe the cosmetic nodes could be a distraction. Oh yeah and Belonging Dinner also counts as a distraction.

[harsh pecan]

Yes, but it isn’t really our fault cause we have to wait

[lethal stump]

are yall ok

[shut trellis]

concerning...

[compact shale]

Yeah. I'm honestly not sure who created the Distraction theory first, though judging by what I see when I search it up I may or may not have brought it back from the dead.

[lethal stump]

anyways went through the suggestions, replied to a few that still needed the discord tag added, accepted/declined as need be. remember y'all are always welcome to add to it, just please remember your discord tags

[harsh pecan]

You sure did

[thin dirge]

Well, Ash did confirm theres much more spirits that need saving than the amount we see in-game

I saw them say this in the beta chats (no spoiler in this btw)

[lethal stump]

[nods] permission to make spirit OCs

[thin dirge]

So yeah, there's much more spirits lying around than the amount we know from Seasons and Non-Seasons.

[harsh pecan]

Yea, I remember seeing someone estimate the amount of spirits in the kingdom, which is a lot

[thin dirge]

Though, Im uncertain if this means that ALL of Sky's spirits. (Luke, the whole population) are like, there in need of saving

[compact shale]

waht is it

Ok I found out who brought up the distraction theory first (did not read their stuff tho, came up with this independently)

It was cxnshp but it got reaction so it may have died of being too sussy

[thin dirge]

Also, note that the stars that fell are not just people who died during the Fall of the Kingdom, but its most likely ALL of the people who have ever lived in the Kingdom. Most that have already "died" to become the stars

Thats a whooping huge amount of stars

At least, that's what I interpreted from "The stars fell"

[harsh pecan]

I can’t find it and I don’t remember the number

Also RIP the og Distraction Theory 😔

[compact shale]

Could be an entire galaxy, holy heck

Maybe that's why it's hard to map out Sky right now

@harsh pecan this is the og #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[harsh pecan]

Thanks

[thin dirge]

"Stars" in Sky are actually spirits that have already died and ascended to the sky.

Meaning that if the "stars fell", that literally means that the spirits, ppl who have already died and become spirits, literally fell from heaven/resting place

[hushed steeple]

I like to think batches of elders are made to look over the rebirth cycle of planets and our set of 8 are just 1 batch.

[compact shale]

Huh, maybe that could explain why they said they lived in the kingdom "as spirits" in the intro

But then the Switch theory implies that they discovered the kingdom land while they still had solid bodies

So which is it?

edit: so does that mean that Sky is a purgatory?

[thin dirge]

And from what we've seen, literally a huge amount of stars fell, if not all. If that's the case, almost all of the peoole that have ever live during the Kingdom's existence literally fell from the sky.

And THAT is a huge amount. Idk if our Sky ids can even do all of that

[hushed steeple]

At one point in concept art they wanted all the elders in the game to have statues, but for there to also be ruined extra statues of elders never seen.

[harsh pecan]

Ooooo more elders

[hushed steeple]

Theres like 8 million skykids and every time even like 4 spirits are revealed they get swarmed.

[thin dirge]

I think the narrators were talking from the perspective of the "Spirits", but the spirits werent actually "spirits" and were alive. They just called them "spirits" so we know who they're talking about

[compact shale]

Huh... ooh... or it could be that the narrative team was sneepy and they accidentally approved it

Thought this raises an important question: WHO is the narrator? Oh yeah and how is the narrator can't forget that

[hushed steeple]

“Ah finally my star uncovered, won’t someone please free us from this crust, oh....here comes a child....2 children....4........8......oh dear its a whole wave.”

[thin dirge]

Ooh, I actually had a full explanation on that. Brb, Im just gonna try and find it

[hushed steeple]

Narrator prolly a spirit unless they mean our spirits as in like our pet cat.

[thin dirge]

@compact shale @hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

Together WE lived in harmony. As spirits we soon became many. Our home in the clouds. We faded away. Our spirits.

[thin dirge]

This too. This one's the whole thing

[hushed steeple]

I see spirity things owned by the narrator the whole way through....but the intro changed like 70 times so who knows.

[compact shale]

The "Last Wish" theory is some sort of counter to the Distraction Theory, justifying our need to befriend the spirits, which takes time

A side effect of us reliving the spirits was learning emotions from them, and eventually learning empathy. After reliving many spirits, we weren't as callous as before, and we realized that the spirits have reason to stay.

When we gained empathy, we realized we didn't want to ascend the spirits without their consent because we would be yoinking them from what they thought to be home and also because our purification ritual involves holy flames which sting quite a bit.

They have some regret, that even after removing their darkness ball, keeps them in the kingdom.

By staying with them and helping them fulfill their last wish, we can get them to agree to ascend, thus helping in the completion of our mission.

Each base spirit has their own last wish but I have a summary of the seasonal spirits' wishes based on their quests: #cozy-sky-discussion message

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[shut trellis]

Thats pretty cool

[harsh pecan]

Ye

[solemn bone]

Anyone got some good lore theories on the new windpaths area?

[compact shale]

Well it's theorized that the wind paths are created by sheer birdpower, judged by the Forest-Valley transition.

It's also theorized that eventually, spirits also decided using the wind paths as ports to other realms, like highways or train stations or something.

And then there's the recent theory that the wind paths might have made the spread of darkness faster because they're connected to all realms.

(I didn't create any of those theories, they're just the ones I've seen)

[tidal valve]

I like to think that the wind paths are made from migratory light creatures because of the wind chimes that help guide them

but also that there were probably more paths but since darkness came and light fell became out of reach so potentially realms that are unreachble now? this ones just a stretch but idk I like to think about it that’s all

[compact shale]

I like to think that the wind paths as migratory paths came first, and when the ancestors discovered the place, they built the chimes to make small redirections in their migration so that they can still go where they need to go without getting run over by the ancestors' boats

[solemn bone]

Ooooo interesting, interesting. I never thought about the spread of darkness through them before 👀, seems like it be a rapid spread using them. Did you notice that there is no path to Eden … I wonder if there’s a significance to that

[compact shale]

It probably means that no migratory species migrates directly to Eden. That would make the rebirth journey quicker than it's supposed to be.

[rigid mural]

I like to think the wind paths were flying boat highways (and the islands might be a kind of rest stop flight QG wanted to develop into a community of its own) that got all covered up in clouds after the cataclysm or over time.
It's possible they were previously migration shortcuts like the jet stream irl hence the birds opening up more paths as they come back.

[compact shale]

Now that I think of it, that's probably what the Path of Starlight is for. It's the final step in the creature's migration before Eden. I don't think the ancestors really use that path much, though...

[rigid mural]

Path of Starlight...? You mean the ascent to Orbit ?

[compact shale]

Frick. I meant the wind path leading to Starlight Desert, which is theorized that most of its content doesn't actually exist (only the desert does)

[rigid mural]

Right ! I think the presence of the Star Collector's shipwreck could hint that it's at least a little dock for the vault.

[compact shale]

Oh, it would be interesting if THAT was real. Maybe the ancestors did use it. For trading reasons.

[frigid tinsel]

Path of Starlight is a wonderful name, would love to name all the specific wind paths based on that scheme

[rigid mural]

Path of the Caves
Path of Prophecy
Path of the Hermit
Path of Sanctuary
Path of the Ark
Path of Starlight

[quick terrace]

From this I’m hearing the megabird, only based on the idea that all spirits go back to the megabird upon ascending, explaining the “our”

[frigid tinsel]

Path of Starlight (to Starlight Desert)
Path of Gold/Waste (to Golden Wasteland)
Path of Caverns (to Hidden Forest)
Path of Prophecy (to Cave of Prophecy in Isle of Dawn)
Path of Sanctuary (to Sanctuary Islands in Daylight Prairie)
Path of Hermit/Dreams (to Hermit Peak/Village of Dreams)

hmm, maybe the ancestors had different names for the wind paths than us skykids would've named them cos some of those destinations would look different than they do now.

[compact shale]

Yeet that's what I'm talkin bout :D

[orchid jolt]

GUYS! WHILE I'M SAD ABOUT THE TRAVELING ROCK, I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE THE NON-DARK CRABS IN GRAVEYARD NOW!

[hushed steeple]

Do they attack?

[orchid jolt]

No, it's like the sanctuary and office ones

[rigid mural]

Traveling rock ?

[hushed steeple]

Oh goodie! Light infested crabs!

[orchid jolt]

There are at least 2 of them in graveyard I think

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if dark peppered crabs will help them up and vise versa.

[neat flint]

A statue that resembles a sky kid was added in prairie

[compact shale]

Headcanon: They're not dark because we got the wax by burning their dark dust off, thus purifying them

@neat flint apparently this statue was never mentioned in patch notes, if so then something important might be approaching...

[orchid crypt]

I believe they do, based on what I saw in the Mischief event area: I was running around carrying the Present crab (friendly) which sold krill spells, and one of the pumpkin crabs (aggressive) scuttled over and flipped the Present crab right way up — while I was still holding it

[orchid jolt]

I tested it in sanctuary before, and yes. I then tested it again in cackling crab and yes again.

[compact shale]

dawwwh, creb solidarity... can neutral crebs be re-infected by the dark creb's dark dust tho?

[orchid crypt]

I don’t think they can by the game’s programming, no. They just go back to scuttling around if they’re not being held or put back down

[compact shale]

I mean lorewise LOL

[orchid crypt]

Lorewise, I’ve got no idea — we’ve got no indication for how long they need to be living in darkness to turn that aggressive, so I’m guessing a few minutes won’t do much to them — might need a few days or weeks

[orchid jolt]

Those may have never been infected in the first place

Tbh, I'd become aggressive if I was forced to watch my parent's/elder's corpses spin over a fire....

And I meant elders as is the definition of it, not the sky elders

[compact shale]

Hm, true...

somehow it's hard to imagine a moff becoming feral at the sight of their mentor being roasted at a spit...

[orchid jolt]

I mean, they saw it happen/their ancestors saw it. Watch pleaful parent's cutscene again.

[orchid crypt]

The irony is that there’s apparently now some friendly crabs near the Wasteland bonfire…although I don’t remember if they removed the crab barbecue feature from it

Edit: apparently, the barbecue is still there >__>

[compact shale]

I guess that's just instinct...

Wait that's a pretty good crab trap

Kill some crabs so that you lure more crabs into the fire, where they get incinerated as well

Muahahaha

[orchid jolt]

So, "if this creature hurts us we must defend ourselves from that kind of creature"

[compact shale]

That's a pretty fast adaptation

it usually takes a few generations

[orchid jolt]

Also the thing is, they can put out fires sometimes. It was probably the being impaled by a stick that killed thenlm

[compact shale]

they put out fires?

[orchid jolt]

? It could also be a sign of some level of intelligence.

[compact shale]

oooh, intelligent crabs

I mean, they ARE intelligent enough to deliver our packages /j /lh

[orchid jolt]

They can, yes. The best example is in the crab field next to graveyard with the ship. On one of the rocks there is a lamp, light it and watch from semi afar, crabs can (and will) put that fire out

[compact shale]

I mean, their bodies are made of rocks so that might've allowed them to trample smol fires

[orchid jolt]

That's just a theory btw

[compact shale]

Well, I don't regret taking it seriously

[orchid jolt]

Ok back to the voidic of nothingness where everything exists

[thin dirge]

Err, could that just be some place for new Social Light areas, orrr...

Maybe just some additional design? I cant really tell what its purpose would be (could be new lore, but uh, its just... there)

[neat flint]

There must be a reason to add it

If the statue was there then we aren’t the first sky kid

[compact shale]

Maybe it's a new Light Awaits easter egg

*starts doing the ktjn-summoning ktjn dance

[thin dirge]

Huehehehehe

Dang, I really want to make that story about Sky's backstory one day.

Never did, sadly

[neat flint]

Please don’t ping me just for “huehehehhe”😭

[thin dirge]

Sorry-

[abstract wasp]

Updates to appearances of other characters that appear in later parts of Eye of Eden

Removed hint from the beginning of the credits

What does this mean?

[thin dirge]

Anyone wanna check Eden to find out? Ill probs #eden-spoilers

[silver cloud]

Oh eden is glowing and eden music is playing

[brisk ginkgo]

Maybe there were multiple generations of Skids, and they were wiped out and remade. Perhaps too many Eden trips?

[compact shale]

So like the Age of Gold, Age of Silver, etc?

(context: Zeus-or-someone had several generations of humans, and each got wiped out after he noticed a collective fatal flaw in them.)

[brisk ginkgo]

Yeah! I was thinking something like that! Wonder what the fatal flaws are though

[tulip aspen]

well the introductions say that the ancestors were "stars" (children of the light) when they fell down to earth

so yeah thats pretty accurate

[compact shale]

Jam! Now that you're here, I just wanted to ask if you're willing to ask for your Introduction Project to be added to the theory vault... so that it's more accessible?

[tulip aspen]

sure!
how tho lol @compact shale

[tulip aspen]

also, i still don't know if would accept it...

[compact shale]

Well, you do have to follow a format, but they're pretty accepting once you do...

Though it's fair if you don't want to add it because it's incomplete

But if you want to add it everything you need to know should be right here!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit

[harsh pecan]

Is there a doc with all the docs??

[icy spruce]

No

[twilit blade]

Aw :(

[compact shale]

the lore moth doc links to other docs but not all of em

edit: whoops wrong doc

[icy spruce]

Ye

[compact shale]

Has anyone talked about how spirits can honk?

[nimble ingot]

Spirits can call out.
This may be the game's way of showing the spirits have a voice, but we dont see their dialogue

[compact shale]

Oh.
I've always assumed that it was exclusive to creatures who are on the light side (ancestors are on the dark side in Tom Zhao's chart)

[thick plaza]

Well

[nimble ingot]

True.
With the voice of creatures and ancestors visible.

It may suggest that the creatures can communicate with each other, but whether it is a language does not matter.
The sound and pitch does show how some voices are exclusive to some group of creatures and the whisperers that work with the creature.

[thick plaza]

Krill have the light bubble when they attack (I forgot about slow mode ;-;)
So doesn't this mean it's for any creature that makes a sound?

[compact shale]

Hmmm... idk

edit: it's implied krill used to be light creatures

[thick plaza]

Maybe it's the remnants of their lives as light creatures showing

[compact shale]

Yeah that would be cool

if there was evidence of them trying to fight back their inner corruption demons

[tulip aspen]

i think it would moreso that krills are still "light creatures", just corrupted, decayed aggressive ones

they didn't transform into a whole new thing lol
their original form and mind just became corrupted

[compact shale]

Ooooohhhh

though I doubt they'd be able to completely return to their old selves, the corruption did make their flesh fall off after all

so instead of krill, if you were to purify them they'd become Light Bones

[nimble ingot]

Cosmic Light dragons sounds epic

[compact shale]

Bone dragons

[thick plaza]

I feel like they're beyond saving, and that if we do ever cure them, they'll just die

They've been corrupted for hundreds of years after all
Wow I forgot how much I hated the timer

[tidal valve]

I feel like krill go after light creatures and sky children because they feel the need to consume light

since they were once made from light but are now corrupted, so maybe? In a way trying to fix themselves? idk..

I wrote a more detailed theory on this but I lost it lmao now all I got is brain gunk

[thick plaza]

The darkness that's corrupted them is feeding off of the dragon's light, so they consume other's to survive?
Makes a lot of sense

[compact shale]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

Survival can become a feral task

[opal galleon]

hey lorechat do you consider strangers being unlit "canon" or just a game mechanic?

[thick plaza]

I see it as just a game mechanic, but it could be viewed from a lore point as well

[compact shale]

Well, it's theorized that those are "indifferents" from Tom Zhao's concept art

[serene swift]

My speculations were right , Wasteland Darkness can filter into other zones but Valley stops it , bc there is like holy light or something .

[distant turtle]

Maybe Valley and 1-3 are too far so the Storm is dissipated.

[tulip aspen]

well yeah i dont think you can "purify" corruption anyways, just burn it

[tulip aspen]

yeah.... if it's easy to get into there, then I'm prolly fine not putting it in there; it'll just be dust in the wind and no one will see it anyways

not to mention, most theories are very headcanon-y, and that's prolly just cos it's a theory

im not trying to make theories and fill in blanks, im trying to actually explain solid or semi solid info we actually have lol

[tulip aspen]

i would believe it's canon (which is my own headcanon lol)

in the concept art unlit people were called "the indifferent"; just shells of skykids that maybe lost their way or were corrupted

id love to think that every stranger i light and friend i bond with are canon in "the moth skykid's journey to Eden"; you find a lot of people lost in their own ways, and you bring new experiences to them, bringing life to them, and in turn, they (the vets you'll light as a moth) will point you in the right direction towards ascension

[rigid mural]

Canon is full of holes, hard to explain without filling them I'm afraid

[tulip aspen]

actually no
ive been trying to prove that the intros at the start of the game to sky, literally explains so much that we so easily miss

thats what fruity was talking about
would you like to read it?

[rigid mural]

I think I saw that already

[opal galleon]

ok thank u lorechat, new question: if you hc unlit strangers as canon, how long do you think they stay lit after you part ways? since server splits & merges definitely are a game mechanic. would you both stay lit forever? or go unlit after like, a day? ohh, or i just thought of an alternative, would everyone you haven't friended go unlit every time you come back from eden? (because of the dying/rebirth)

[compact shale]

game-wise, they are guaranteed to go unlit when you exit the game or enter a different server.

[opal galleon]

yeah. but you said it, that's game-wise

[boreal nebula]

My theory is that each realm elder has a magic barrier to try to seal each realm from a certain degree of darkness spreading. Like sealed compartments (after all we see even magical barrier, maybe the Realms doors are magically imbued too)

For example Vault is protected by Lamed even if it's the building closer to the Eden disaster (and corruption doesn't enter it (despite minor crabs infestation) even when we exit Lamed cutscene and the huge blast door start rising)

GW Elder sadly doesn’t have much power to defend his open and vast realm which was the first one to be attacked so all his energy were invested in fighting Krills and defending as many civilians as possible instead of trying to cast powerful magic realm-wide (IMHO the battlefield ~~ was ~~ *WAS NOT about a Civil War, Sun VS Diamond, it’s just the last stand where he and his troops could fall back to save as many lives as possible inside Vault) so lastly he decided to guard and seal the Wasteland Temple in order to defend Vault from the rear flank (Lamed took the Eden front, Tsadi the GW front)

The Twins had to defend Valley and since they were gifted with the power of Air Element from Air Trial, they decided to repel the dark clouds with powerful wind barriers and maybe even with GW Whirlpool (you know the one we jump into to enter) made possible in a choreographic way (if you didn’t know, in Sky Light Awaits, Samekh cutscene was about them getting the sky kid light gift and starting to fly in coordinated spiral around you) . In short I think they could have spinned around with the Air power to create that whirlpool to drag as much darkness polluted air away from Valley Temple exit and thus pushing darkness down the drain/whirlpool

SO
Most of other realms are still kept in magical sealed compartements even if The Darkness didn’t spread so far after all. AND YET the last Flight Quest maybe explains from where the corruption reached Hidden Forest (from the wind currents) causing its cold rain (lowkey corruption) and thus seeds of dark plants reached even Sanctuary most cold and humid grounds (like the caverns) where ,even if in small patches, dark plants found nutrients ( shady spots far form direct sunlight, lightenergy from butterflies, even those sealed inside jars) to sprout or grow big (in Sanc the big nasty plant maybe found a cold/humic cave which maybe was a nest for butterflies, but this is just a last minute speculation)

[boreal nebula]

... made Lore Chat dead

[compact shale]

No idea pal

Lorechat usually wakes up at this time

[nimble ingot]

If that is the case, then the events of the season with the wind tunnels may have made sealing in the hazards of each realm more difficult as the creatures can once more move from one realm to the next.

Dark plants tend to thrive in places where darkness is present, or a negative event took place, especially both.
Despite that fact, there are no dark plants in Eden. Which begs the question whether the storm is too harsh to allow dark plants to grow, the devs have not thought to add dark plants just yet (because the plants give wax and there is no wax or spirits in Eden, currently), or the darkness is so potent that it is too much for dark plants.

During the beta, there were dark plants, so I am unsure why there can't be any dark plants in Eden to this day.

@boreal nebula
I really like your thought process.
If I may add something to the theory:
Spirit gates are used to close off areas for new players, encouraging them to explore the realm to find enough spirits to progress.
This may suggest the game wants skykids to focus on finding spirits to progress, because forming a connection with them may help the skykid become stronger and able to face Eden.
Evidence for this lies in the prophecy caves. When you do them for the first time, there will be spirit gates on the trails you are not ready for yet. Trying to get through will give you a message saying that your skykid is not yet strong enough to do the trail. By getting the season guide's blessing, you are then allowed to go in.

This may be the case with all of the other gates. They are put there by the spirits because they are trying to protect and prepare the skykid. Otherwise, the skykid would not be strong enough to face the Strom.

Since the spirits are serving the elders, but the elders are not able to be physically present in the realms, but the spirits can. Then, the Elders are able to indirectly guide the skykids.
Since these spirit gates are used to help the skykids, who is to say a similar thing is happening with sealing away the darkness?
Besides, the elders do have a gate of their own. The gates to eden are controlled by the elders (specifically, the day, forest, valley, forest and vault elders. If I am not mistaken).
Even if you get the gates open, the spirits will still test the skykids with a final spirit gate to see if they have enough winged light. This may be a in-game feature to deter players to not go to eden with no winged lights, but lorewise, this could also be the spirits watching over the skykids (who in turn would include the elders).

[serene swift]

Me and my friends birds opened a tunnel to GW (Gone Wrong , Almost died) the season

[boreal nebula]

My idea is strong winds (so naturally not a good environment for any natural vegetation) and absence of spirits/light creatures (so no "supernatural" environment fitting their darkways of feeding), much like you said

[serene swift]

What is rain made of in sky??

[boreal nebula]

Yeah, I like that, spirits watched our first steps to see us grow strong enough

[nimble ingot]

H²O

[boreal nebula]

we can speculate is made of lowkey corrupted water, so it slowly drains our lightenergy.
But once it's on the floor is not as corrupting as GW dark waters (if you have an umbrella or take over under the broken bridge or if the rain stops, you can safely stay with feed on the water)

So.. it's mostly made of just water... but water isn't harmful to sky kids per se (see all the spectacle of waters where we can safely walk/swimm/walk under it)

[boreal nebula]

🦗 🦗

[opal galleon]

have you mentioned prairie's village bells in your message? i'm not sure :0

[boreal nebula]

I didn't, though I thought about them too.
Gold seems to be used as conductor or even as accumulator of lightenergy (basicly as powersource/batteries) so I guess on those bells dark seeds find their main nutrition
Note that there are also butterflies there

But notice there are darkplants in Prairie caves, in the area I call the warehouse. Jars with tiny dead bulbs. IMHO there were butterflies sealed in those jars (and thus they passively feed from their lightenergy as we see big bulbs formation in Underground Cave in Forest) but maybe some worker there decided to remove the cloth/lead and freed those butterflies, ending in withered bulbs (not even burnable anymore)

[rigid mural]

The feathers on the bells in the flight area went missing during the 4th quest.

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe they light up. And then you forget them and they fade out as you don't "remember them" (aka server splits, merges, etc)

Or maybe your light can only keep the other lit when you all are in the same areas. After you cross a certain limit or they do, when you people aren't in the same page, they'll appear unlit

[twilit blade]

Further adding more proof to a certain idea that Skykids are indeed similar to emotionless robots/puppets who forgets easily and has only one mission in mind

[upbeat rampart]

Hmmm, why'd you friend some on the way then? I mean, they don't fade out
It's prolly just that lit people are considerably more--well, you're not planning to keep them for the long term in theory
ahhhhh the number of times I've missed friendship opportunities because of merges

Probably more selective, but definitely the one mission. Not sure about their emotions part though...

[twilit blade]

That's true, tbh the only reason I'd see skykids (in-lore) actively "adding" each other is for the same reason some animals work together to accomplish a certain same goal for everyone, like the multiplayer doors we have

[upbeat rampart]

Yes. I'm not really sure if they feel stuff.

But I can imagine those skykids having to "shepherd" new ones tho, probably to help the skykid while doing their goals side by side

[hushed steeple]

can i discuss smth related to le petit? i just finished it mins ago and i have some thoughts

while we go out with the kid, it's like spending time right as new acquaintances and getting to know each other right? but as time goes by it gets to the point where he has to go back to his responsibility, to rose. rose is his responsibility but it costed him his freedom of adventure, which is normal for kids to seek.

he says adults are confusing but slowly he's also going to the same path as they do. getting tied by a responsibility that costed smth

the quest where we serenade him is the part he's debating smth right? to let go of rose to continue venturing or go back to her?? correct me if i misunderstood it

then he chooses rose and proceeds to walk westward of the dessert, saying smth like a goodbye? and the stars are listening thingy

then the eden thing, im confused like how did he turn into a statue? isnt he like foreign??? so that shouldn't affect him??? cuz at the final cutscene the skid was hurrying up to the ledge expecting the kid to also reborn but he didnt which makes me confused

[opal galleon]

well i know he dies because he does in the original story too

so they found a way to make it happen in sky

[nimble ingot]

Alright, I explain things as best I understood it.

The Little Prince is a character from the book of the same name. The Little Prince is a human child from asteroid B-612. His adventures and behaviours defy reality, though other than that looks normal for a child. The book's plot was carried over to the quests in sky, where the skykid meets the prince and spends time with him.

The Little Prince would tell you about himself, his adventures, and ask about the events in the world of Sky.
The Little Prince in the last few quests are similar to the book. He misses his rose and had to choose to either keep exploring, or go home.
He chooses to go home and asks the skykid, who helped him along the journey, to stay behind.
The last quest is about the skykid going to the Eye of Eden to help the Little Prince.

He may not be from the world of Sky, but he is still a human child. The crystal turned him into stone, a similar fate the other statue kids faces as well as the skykid.

The skykid saves the Little Prince and help him reach Orbit. Once there, the Little Prince gives his final good bye and lead through the portal.
Both the book and the game makes it unclear if the Little Prince actually made it to his home. Though the Little Prince assured the skykid with the saying about looking at the stars. One of the stars would be his home, and he will be laughing. If the skykid wanted to believe the Little Prince is home, they can look up at the stars and listen for the Little Prince's laugh.

Hope this helps, though do recommend you read the book for more info about the Little Prince.

[opal galleon]

ohh yes raider you explained really well :]

[rigid mural]

Interestingly, him turning to stone would make sense imo, the ancestors seem to be made of flesh (grandma knows how to cook, this at least means they are organic enough to need sustenance) yet they too have a stone shell when we free them.

[compact shale]

Wait is TLP human?

[rigid mural]

It's not stated in the book

[hushed steeple]

Hes 🌈imagination🌈 starchild

[nimble ingot]

According to the book, the Little Prince looks and acts like a human child.
The aviator described him as a fellow (a boy), a child. Though did acknowledge the Little Prince having abilities beyond that a normal human is able to do (ex. fly with birds, survive with little to no food or water)

[opal galleon]

omg wait i can't believe i never noticed the spirit statues are stone and the skykids statues are also stone

[compact shale]

So ig he's an unknown species :/

anyhow can't stay long

[regal phoenix]

can't skids drink tea too?

[rigid mural]

It's unclear whether they partake in it to mimic the ancestors or if they genuinely need food and drinks.

[regal phoenix]

I see, thanks

outside of that question do you guys think spirits had any growth cycle or were just made in a adult form

[nimble ingot]

Proud Victor Confident Sightseer had a child in their memory. The season of Belonging had a family with children.
That said, the Ancestors likely grew up and had children similar to humans would.

[regal phoenix]

how did I not think of that knlewkwwml thanks

also do you think if the like first skids didn't really have any real emotions outside of mimicking that spirits would be pained by how just dedicated to a mission they were ( with how much skids look like young spirits ) but i'm not too lore fluent

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesting question.

Assuming the season spirits arrived at different times, assuming the season arriving in the present instead of being added retrospectively (as in, they are added now, but are supposed to be part of the past of sky), the first skykids would have limited emotes given there would be less spirits to interact with.

[regal phoenix]

Just imagine being a adult spirit and seeing this being that looks like a child of your kind but it just keeps going forwards mainly emotionless

[nimble ingot]

The spirits being determined and restless souls that refuse to pass on, no have to deal with skykids being skykids instead of the prophesized shepherds of light.

"I died a horrific death and all that you have to say is endless honking and spamming emotes"

[regal phoenix]

abit of a sadder idea : spirits and sky kids are the same species but the ones we play as are just ones more controlled by megabird less freewill

[nimble ingot]

The ancestors and skykids are likely a different species.
Skykids are fireproof, dont need to eat, sleep of drink; but can do these things, and are able to be reborn.
The ancestors cannot fly, cannot change their voice (unless they are dedicated whisperers of a specific creature), supposedly cannot stand in fire without getting hurt but can die and remain as a ghost (spirit).

The skykid does seem to have a will of thier own as the skykid needs to be reminded on where to go instead of being controlled. For example, we are taught to follow the bell sounds, because they lead towards our goals. It is not like the skykid would mindlessly move from A to B when prompted or ordered.
Another detail I like to point out to support this idea is how skykids can befriend the dead.
Befriending someone is not a straightforward process, each spirit has their own way of befriending them, even though all of them have a common system when it comes to the game.
Hope this helps

[regal phoenix]

I see

[rigid mural]

Proud Victor is the crossed arms stance (and absolutely legendary memory of them slipping in the finish line ice rink, helplessly sliding around only to teach us this), you might be thinking of the Confident Sightseer.

[regal phoenix]

So basically just a different species that shares a largely close appearance

[nimble ingot]

Darn it, yes. My apologies.

[rigid mural]

it's ok i got to talk about valley spirits, my beloved

[nimble ingot]

As far as I understood it, it would be comparing a hare to a rabbit.
They may be similar, though are not the same species.

[regal phoenix]

I wonder if it'd be possible for a spirit ( if they were alive at the same time as skids ) to raise a skid to be like one of them

[nimble ingot]

It would be very sweet to see Granny alive.
Though she would have her hands full with the skykids XD

[rigid mural]

They kind of are, in a way. Their legacy is those ruins they don't seem to mind us repurposing as homes and hideouts, and the expressions they teach us for freeing them (the Laughing Lightcatcher one is so sweet, I think the part of the world that came before they give us being their own laughter is lovely).

[regal phoenix]

what is your guys thoughts on if we got another game that was more focused on the lore of sky

[nimble ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/lore-lore-the-hunt-become-lore-become-lore-the-hunt-lore-meme-gif-22405486

[rigid mural]

I'm sure the art book we've been told is in the works might have some crumbs, I feel like TGC heard us with SoF so I'm optimistic on that regard.

[regal phoenix]

what's SoF?

[nimble ingot]

season of Flight

[regal phoenix]

what would you rather have in terms of a game? a game that you play as a spirit or one that takes place in more of a continuation of sky cotl

[rigid mural]

Neither, I think that like Journey, Sky should stay a standalone game whose admittedly more expansive lore is completed by new seasons, a few fun facts on social media and an art book.

[regal phoenix]

I see

another thing I think would be cool is like a story book/dairy from the perspective of a sky kid if that would even be possible canonly

[twilit blade]

That gives me an idea, every other existing being you first met in the same universe as you are all dead (with the exception of your own kind, the skykids). Skykids never truly felt or had parents, friends, siblings, because they're all dead

Think of it like Pinnochio losing his dad on the early days he was turned to have consciousness

[nimble ingot]

Imagine the Skykids are like the Lost Boys in Neverland, exploring the island and waiting for Peter Pan (The Sky Prince) to return.

[regal phoenix]

what do you think would happen to lore chat if the king or prince were to suddenly make an appearance in a season

[twilit blade]

Lore time, ofc!

[midnight cloud]

Is there any Eden lore here-

[nimble ingot]

not mine, but worth it.

[frigid tinsel]

I think the whole discord server would melt. Slowmo might increase.

[nimble ingot]

Eden has a Christian connection (a garden of paradise, now a ruined Hellscape).
There are more, though I cannot recall of the top of my head.

[regal phoenix]

server just explodes no longer exists

[twilit blade]

Sky just evaporates

[regal phoenix]

from lore chat players logging into sky to observe the king or prince

[midnight cloud]

Oh wow-

[regal phoenix]

I still hope we get to see a unruined eden someday

[midnight cloud]

Same, I bet it would look amazing ngl

[twilit blade]

Honestly would love that. Like a bigger garden from the one we have from TLP, maybe even more light creatures roaming around

[nimble ingot]

with spirits and dark plants.

[harsh pecan]

A lot of people would come here everyday just to ask about the King/Prince 👍

[regal phoenix]

mune : good route

[twilit blade]

Bro, I first thought you were referring to sky creatures and dark creatures living in the same plane and not fighting each other

[regal phoenix]

random thing but what exactly is home

[twilit blade]

Our prison jk

[cunning shell]

A space-time portal aka henge. Probably stuck in a wizarding timeloop and that’s why we keep respawning after dying 😂 world between worlds

[floral grove]

How come the spirits used boats to navigate around the world of Sky? Portals are very much real things in Sky so why didn't they build massive portals that lead to other places? Were the portals discovered after The Fall?

Actually, scratch that, I believe portals have long been a thing even during the time of the spirits. The entrance to The Cave of Prophecy is a portal and I'm pretty sure the spirits were still around the time when trials were being held in the caves to find the Chosen One. I might be overthinking this a bit but I find it unusual how a now fallen civilization could make artificial stars and floating boats but not portals

[regal phoenix]

my question is more so What made home? like it doesn't look like a place spirits would be

[cursive galleon]

Megan? Possibly Home could be a collective Skykid dreamlike thing. If that's the case it's probably actually just a pile of skykids flopped in Isle.

[regal phoenix]

ohh that'd explain why the middle thing lets you go back to where you were last

[twilit blade]

Are you saying the Home is the Matrix

[hushed steeple]

Mega coulnt put the babies in the horrible ruined lands so instead it made a tiny floating land mass to plop them in. Flight guide thinks her tunnels are so amazing and revolutionary when skykids have been magically warping to areas since their conception.

[icy spruce]

should’ve sent the GET RESH’D video

[rigid mural]

Do it

[icy spruce]

GET RESH’D (vid’s not mine, belongs to @/ItsBeebo#7549 I think)

[upbeat rampart]

My theory is that Megabird did, like a recharge and easy navigation to other realms. However, it's barrier blocked, and it's illusion basically (since if you try to go more wider, you think you're going ahead but you're not really doing that)

[clever wraith]

Yo sky your dark angel in the season of flight area is visible

[clever wraith]

Dark angel/manta about to screw with the plot methinks

[hushed steeple]

aa tysm for explaining!!

[scenic helm]

Guys any theory why sky kids closes their eyes??

[rigid mural]

Maybe it's the boat manta that we don't see anymore ?

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t blame boat manta for bailing tbh

[wintry ginkgo]

Why do spirits require candles as trade for spells and clothing?

[frigid tinsel]

I've imagined that skykids use wax/candlelight to learn to craft clothing, hairstyles, and spells for the first time, then are able to will those things on their person whenever since it's all made of light. So they're not actually paying the spirits candles, moreso giving the spirits the materials to make that stuff for them.

It's based on the fact that when trading with spirits, the candle depletes into light and the spirits give light back to the skykid.

"wait it's all light?"
"always have been."

[jovial nacelle]

hi hi

[fair pumice]

I had this theory awhile ago that i dubbed “the lorax theory” because, in places that are more dangerous (Eden, wasteland) there is pipes and the water that hurts your skykid has a rainbow shine kinda? (like oil/gas idk the right vocab lol) and krills look like shrimp, (hence the community calling them krills) but they could also be percieved as like a parasite/pest? Along with krebs. So idk its a theory about the skykids world getting polluted.

[compact shale]

To pay for the copyright /j

[harsh pecan]

I think it already got polluted

[astral bobcat]

Found some audio from the space station in office (no music). Tried to translate in an editing app.

[nocturne acorn]

But it not the theory. It's pollution after processing dark stones (that glowing blue stones that powered up all mechanics). It was in concept arts.

[fair pumice]

Ohh

[thick plaza]

YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR DARK MANTA SINCE LAST YEAR

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[hushed steeple]

DUDE-
I GOT A HEART ATTACK -

[lusty merlin]

Wait so the space station wasn’t a feaver dream I had

[lusty merlin]

The way it’s moving disturb’s me greatly and I don’t know why

[twilit blade]

WHAT THE FRESH FRUITS OF EDEN IS THAT

[hushed steeple]

Fruits in eden? xD

[twilit blade]

Jokes aside, I've never seen that so-called "Dark Angel" before and it looks absolutely gorgeus. especially how the size, shape, and entire design of it makes a resemblance to Mothra.

[nimble ingot]

This can be found in the season of flight area. Head to the arch to the left of the wind tunnels. You can see the dark manta between the clouds and beyond the playable area.
If you get close enough it does seem to react and track players. Very creepy.

[twilit blade]

Oh my god I love that. I have to experience that beautiful creature soon
Tysm for the info!

[hushed steeple]

Can you maybe show it. I love creepy stuff

[twilit blade]

I SAW IT ITS BEAUTIFUL
And my friend calls it the Voldemort

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[twilit blade]

My addition to the different forms of the dark angel

[light pawn]

where is the dark angel? i cant find the arch people talk about

[twilit blade]

Are we sure that this is a Manta? The wings seem to resemble more that of a bug/insect (wider, translucent) than a manta's (long, lengthy, opaque)

[rigid mural]

Tinkering chimesmith roof I think.

[twilit blade]

Fly above the Chimesmith's home and continue rising over the clouds that has an opening

On the other hand, did the devs put that there in the open on purpose? The clouds really basically serve as a "window" for it as if to tease us

[rigid mural]

I wonder if it will follow us around like the bird, would be cute for light creatures to follow sky kids around after the Final Quest™️

[light pawn]

thank you both! i found it. it looks so interesting :0

[rigid mural]

Just realized but the quests seem to be themed around a particular spirit each.

• 1st quest introduces you to the area by making you deliver candles to everyone from the questgiver
• 2nd quest has you assemble a boat for talented builder
• 3rd quest has you gathering tinkering chimesmith's bells
• 4th quest has you saving birds for light whisperer

Maybe the last quest will have you guide light creatures through the rocks the way lively navigator guided boats through the winds ?

BETA PLAYERS/WATCHERS DO NOT INTERACT

[nimble ingot]

That is a good observation.
And very true.

[compact shale]

Yeah. That seems to be a common thing in the seasonal quests these days, for most of the quests to be themed around one of its spirits (except for Sanctuary and TLP)

[twilit blade]

Maybe we get to fly with all the four spirits in order to restore peace in the Wind Paths?

[rigid mural]

Right, Prophecy, Dreams and Assembly had that too.

[compact shale]

Enchantment too, if you consider each light to be related to the spirit who uses it at the end of each quest.

[rigid mural]

The lively navigator is a significant part of the latest quest too, it's also possible the last quest could involve all the spirits at the same time.

[compact shale]

Oooh, the power of teamwork... will their endeavor end in peace, or demise?

[rigid mural]

The former is likely but the latter would be so heartbreaking TGC would add stuff (lore crumbs ?) to make up for the sad ending imo

[twilit blade]

Maybe it'll let us choose which ending to take, as if choosing whether or not to keep the green/gloomy atmosphere we currently have in SoF

[compact shale]

If it ends in peace then it will make up for the fact that they pulled a sad mood whiplash on the second-to-last quest AGAIN

If it ends in demise... well I think we now know one of the catalysts of Sky's downfall

[rigid mural]

I think it's the first time a seasonal area gets worse after a quest though. I say with 90% certainty we will fix everything and it will be a happy ending

[compact shale]

We'll see... hopefully only having 1 quest to turn things around won't be TOO fast of a pacing...

[rigid mural]

I mean, we still haven't seen the elder bird that sits behind light whisperer on that intro art we got before the season started. Methinks it's gonna be like the sanctuary final quest.

[twilit blade]

I would love to see a fight between the Dark Angel and then a sudden appearance from Martha (did I get their name right? The Big Bird?)

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's Martha.
I think the dark angel is a lighting issue, it's probably just a normal quadwing waiting for its time to shine in a cutscene.

[compact shale]

Something is approaching...

Corrupted QuadWing Manta has awoken!

[twilit blade]

That is true, though what does it mean by it "tracking" players?

[rigid mural]

There is a theory running around about krills being corrupted mantas...

[nimble ingot]

I faces the player and keeps facing them when you get close enough.
I'll get a video for it.

[compact shale]

I think I've heard that it's more plausible that krill could be the Switch Trailer creature but corrupted.

[rigid mural]

Switch Trailer creature kind of looks like it's related to older mantas tbf, you know, the ones that look closer to sea mammals.

[compact shale]

oooh you mean like the elder manta?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, either a smaller sanctuary one or whatever vault was trying to represent on that gw level

[compact shale]

Oooh

don't ask why but there's a lingering thought in my mind

"what if... Sanctuary is the backup wind path hub"

Just a conspiracy theory, nothing to see here

[rigid mural]

Their bells do have the symbol on them

[thick plaza]

But they also seem more rusted, disused
Could've been an older version of the Windpaths, instead of a backup

Or maybe they were one of the first windpaths to be created, but the signs weren't well taken care of

[compact shale]

Hmmm, this is starting to get interesting... the lore cauldron has started brewing! 🍳

[thick plaza]

Smells like lore soup

[hushed steeple]

flinches YOU TOOK YOU-KNOW-WHO'S NAME????

[thick plaza]

Near the polluted geyser there are a couple of boats that seemed to have crashed there
What's really interesting about these boats is that the darkstone diamonds that powered them seems to have been removed, but the rest of the boat is still left there

[rigid mural]

On the tinkering chimesmith's island, their work in progress seems to be a wind vane like in sanctuary, it's possible they had a partnership.
Perhaps those tourist spirits came from the wind paths !

[thick plaza]

It would make a lot of sense, especially since both the Windpaths and Sanctuary were probably very popular tourism sites

[compact shale]

Yeah

[thick plaza]

they might've collaborated to make more profit

[rigid mural]

I'd tour through the wind paths anyday, pretty floaty islands.
_ _

As for the Forgotten Ark, it seems to be facing the wind paths, so the storm that felled it could have come from Wastelands.

It's possible that over time the wind tunnel got deformed and was farther away back in the day, hence why the enchantment spirits could have been truly stranded despite the tunnel's apparent closeness in the game.

I like to think that, if it's true, then the fourth quest's events reflect the consequences of that Wastelands storm (who lbr likely is related to if not IS the Eden storm).

[thick plaza]

Yea, all the windpaths got deformed, although we don't know how. A storm could likely be an explanation

[compact shale]

ooh

[thick plaza]

Imagine being stranded with no way out-A krill guarding one exit and another escape destroyed by the storm that brought down your ship

What I want to know is how there was a Krill that made it through the Windpath for the Ark when the only krill to be seen there is one who patrols the exit (you'd think he would've died of hunger by now)

[compact shale]

guys stupid question

how many legs does a krill have

[twilit blade]

Would you like to come up to one and ask to count theirs?

[thick plaza]

I accept thy challenge

[harsh pecan]

Get a pic and count, wait imma find one

[nimble ingot]

12 pairs of legs (24 in total), by my count.
There are 3 pairs under the head, 4 pairs in the middle part, and 5 pairs at the back.

[thick plaza]

so
I don't have to put my skid through hell again?

[nimble ingot]

I wont stop you if you want a second opinion

[thick plaza]

I'm gonna do it

Later tho I need to give my skid time to mentally prepare for the pain

[nimble ingot]

It is a good opportunity to practice krill dodging.

That and the krill normally leaves you alone while you run underneath them. Just mind the head, tail and careful flying over them.

[thick plaza]

Don't worry i'll try to hit them as much as possible, especially after trials today

[nimble ingot]

I am just glad the krill do not have a secondary attack, where they can grab skykids and carry them away with those freaky legs.

[harsh pecan]

They have legs….on their heads??

[nimble ingot]

*under their heads, like mandibles.

[harsh pecan]

Are those eyes?

[shut trellis]

Yes, but what the

[harsh pecan]

I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep tonight now that I know those exist

[shut trellis]

Neither will I be able to..

[woeful crest]

👁 👁

[thick plaza]

yay nightmares

[orchid crypt]

Those are eyes, yeah. They're not on the actual krill model itself, but one of the TGC artists was having...a bit too much fun playing around and adding stuff to the model. You can see some of the chaos from here: #general-sky-discussion message

[nimble ingot]

lol, they must have been added for this picture.
#general-sky-discussion message

[harsh pecan]

Thank god

[orchid crypt]

The end result was this horror: #general-sky-discussion message

[harsh pecan]

Ohh I’ve seen that one before

[thick plaza]

I did it

[nimble ingot]

what is your verdict?

[thick plaza]

I didn't get a good picture of their legs, only my pain, sooo

Here I go again

These are best I could get before

[twilit blade]

Yo, the 2nd pic is dope

[nimble ingot]

fantastic job @thick plaza 👍

[thick plaza]

More pain
I went from 135 to 126

Woah that looks so cool

[thick plaza]

Did u just send the same video twice? and I just noticed eden music playing in the background now

[rigid mural]

Was the area behind chimesmith's house always this easily seen ? Could this herald an extension due later just like the Dreams season hermit valley or TLP season extended desert ?

[thick plaza]

maybe, but I'm not sure what they would put there

[rigid mural]

Better switch maniability heyo
Seems like it's stuck in this loop, can't get closer alone but I will try again with a friend.

I take back what I said on an additional area, maybe it was just an oversight by the devs.
Looks like a quadwing to me but I can't really tell for sure until I see if it's a corrupted manta model or possibly an elder bird if it is indeed due to appear this season

[thick plaza]

It does seem to be a Quadwing but doesn't seem too large

[rigid mural]

Oh ? I'd say it's large, it's just a bit too far away to tell.

[raw crypt]

i tried to table drive over, unfortunately theres reset barriers

[thick plaza]

it's ok, u got close, and u right @rigid mural , it's large
It also looks like an uncorrupted creature, probably just the lighting making it look like a dark angel

quick question, are the mantas in Prairie Village Quadwings?

[rigid mural]

I don't think so.

[twilit blade]

Ooof, sorry I saw this just now, the video would not completely load until the end till now. But that is rally cool to see, at least it gives us an idea of what that creature is planned to do with the Skykids, no?

[rigid mural]

That's litterally the funniest table drive vid 💀
Seems like it's indeed a quadwing (my elder bird hopes, crushed), thank you !

[icy spruce]

Thanks you for the close-ups

This video will be treasured

[twilit blade]

Whoa, that's the closest we're able to see it as of now!!
Also I'm now wondering where its head is

[icy spruce]

anyways, DAKRMANTADARKMANTADARKMANTADARKMANRA

[twilit blade]

Honesty tempted to take a few screenshots of the different light mantas we have rn and compare it to that thing

Also if it turns out to be a giant moth I would be very happy

[hushed steeple]

Hi Lore chat, any ideas about what that mask is on top of Forest mama's temple?

[icy spruce]

That’s concept forest elder’s mask (she was supposed to be a fox or smthn similar lmao)

[hushed steeple]

Ooh
Thank you!

[hushed steeple]

I once made the point that concept forest mask was not in light awaits because a promo photo with eden crown lacks it. I realize thats not true, as the mask is only visible from close up on many devices, it despawns along with other little details at further distances.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, is that the shaman that was supposed to mislead you in Forest? That was the Forest elder all along?

Current forest elder would totally hammer launch concept forest elder to orbit

[thick plaza]

i really need to look at more concept art, i have no idea who the Shaman is

anyone got some docs so i don't go down several rabbit holes?

[hushed steeple]

About concept Teth? The kidnapping elder who would actual quote “seduce”?

[thick plaza]

yes pls and ew, i'd take current Forest Mama anyday

[hushed steeple]

I think she was part of “elders missing body parts” concepts too since in one she has a massive gaping hole in her chest. Heres the old doc. Some of the sources are not around anymore and some of the quotes are a little paraphrased, but its still good info.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/mobilebasic

[thick plaza]

thank yoouuuuu

[hushed steeple]

Theres also been things revealed since then like krills being corrupted creatures in a dev Q&A. And a lot in concept art that explains a lot of things that could still be true to current game.

[icy spruce]

Oh collector of concept arts, Kamil. Can u pls send me concept arts because I need them

[thick plaza]

ooooh and me pls

[nimble ingot]

I was trying upload it and did not notice it went through twice.

[hushed steeple]

What about? Wait I got a personal favorite.

[icy spruce]

everything

[thick plaza]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1, @icy spruce here's the website for Tom Zhao's art

[hushed steeple]

So this was called “mental space” in one art. It was once considered for the entrance to sky kingdom, including “leaving the real world and entering sky world” I think its beautiful.

[thick plaza]

I love it already

[icy spruce]

modern sky yes

[hushed steeple]

I think I drew a concept for combining the day and night design of it.....but I kinda stuffed it between a lot of other sky sketches to the point its hard to make out.

[hushed steeple]

I love that idea
It's something I didn't know I needed

Since sky is partially based on society and civilization progressing I think big lovely cities near the last realms would have been oddly fitting. Flying boats and large citys with lights, but still with stone and all the things ancestors use.

[abstract wasp]

Is Chimken really the name of the Megabird?

I saw the other day a dev around here saying so, but wasn't sure if they was joking lol appeared to be serious to me

[hushed steeple]

I feel like Valley is supposed to have all of that
And Wasteland before the fall. I feel like that was a military-run city-state. But, of course, the top of the civilization is always the first to fall

[icy spruce]

yes /j

[hushed steeple]

Its Also the ingredients to megabird

[abstract wasp]

I thought Valley was the capital of Sky or am I wrong?
And today's wasteland was a big factory city, and during the fall of Sky, they threw the wastes to the oceans, and that's why the water is polluted
My theory is that with the unbalanced of light and darkness, dark creatures evolved there, and the citizens tried to killed them throwing the factory wastes into the ocean, thus krills having the same color as polluted water? Maybe idk

[icy spruce]

Valley was the capital of Sjy in concept arts

[hushed steeple]

I think one called it the down town though

[next hamlet]

question (if i'm allowed to ask), was there an eden elder?

[thick plaza]

here u go @next hamlet

[next hamlet]

oh wow thank you

[icy spruce]

KING RESH YES

[thick plaza]

and this is where he would've been

and here he is in comparison to skid

[next hamlet]

Oh he's massive

[thick plaza]

oooh he's shiny now

and now he's evil

and here he is again being a pain

[next hamlet]

that's genuinely just,, so cool?? thank you

[thick plaza]

Anytime, also I love going through the concept art

[hushed steeple]

And hes EVERYWHERE

[shut trellis]

They sure did really like the king

[abstract wasp]

This is part of the update notes

>Updates to appearances of other characters that appear in later parts of Eye of Eden<

>Removed hint from the beginning of the credits<

What does this mean? Does someone know what really changed?
What characters? What hint?

Are we ever getting a season of lore?

[next hamlet]

literally begging for lore season

[hushed steeple]

I dunno what changed in eden, I hardly go to eden, I’ll ask eden chat.

[abstract wasp]

I'm just discovering some ancient Sky creatures

[next hamlet]

not the arms

[hushed steeple]

Those are possibly the earliest concept designs......for elders! Their once was a plan for bosses, before they eventually developed into a cutscene at the end of each level........I made a fan art

[abstract wasp]

This is AWESOME

[nimble ingot]

Some of them remind of the bosses on Shadow of the Colusses.
lol, imagine parts of that world ever making it into Sky.

[hushed steeple]

Lynx cat Teth/Forest elder might have been the one to get furthest in development, if this statue really is Lynx cat Teth.

[abstract wasp]

I heard by ash this were creatures protecting treasures and mazes in the ancient sky (maybe even before the prince)

[abstract wasp]

Ohhhh yesyes the bull blocking your way that turned into a sleeping lion in a castle could be this one?

Maaaan we so much need a lore season fr

[hushed steeple]

Not quite, though the statue looks like a bull or dog, the horns might maybe also possibly who knows be the ear tips of Teth

If you squint. But.

It could still be something totally else.

[abstract wasp]

Yess this is the bull that turned into a lion

[abstract wasp]

But where did you find this one? I want to visit it

[hushed steeple]

Heres the entire thread that has all the character and creature info. This is the lion. https://mobile.twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284977330994077698

[hushed steeple]

Its part of the image you shared as well! Also direct your attention to lowest lefthand corner where you can find Teth riding Ayin dubbed “Teth’s friend”

[nimble ingot]

Just to showcase the game a bit, because the themes are similar.

This could be similar to the office stone giant: https://www.a90skid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/gaius-shadow-of-the-colossus-remake.jpg
This is an eel from the game: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/t__/images/3/34/HydrusTemplate.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190128152553&path-prefix=teamico

This could be a more buff eel: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qewJ2 (fanart)

And there are more, like this lion: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdq0Iv2rw2onXUH3MO7RHVXA5kyn274IkTb8iJcJWwDn2t7XqiSYrX1nEoz6bMh0lpgnw&usqp=CAU

[rigid mural]

Hey about our dark manta convo, I tried to get closer but ended up getting reset. However before that, I found these:

One of the boats is much like the one leading you to the Forgotten Ark, while the other seems to be the one we got on the second quest. Several mantas are here too.

[nimble ingot]

That is so cool, thank you ♥️

[hushed steeple]

That lion really does look similar, I wonder if they wern’t inspired.

[nimble ingot]

Inspired, very likely. If not coincidental.

In that game, you are tasked with killing the giant guardians, but when you do so, you are wiping them out for good.
There is more to it, I will have to read it over again. I am sure it has a similar theme!

[hushed steeple]

I think SoTC also has rebirth or something at the end If I remember right from like the 3 vids I seen on how trippy and confusing its ending is

[hushed steeple]

You're not wrong; I feel like this is one of those places where the lore is open to interpretation

[raw crypt]

Ive gotten really close to those trying to get to the manta also, and I have reason to believe they’re assets for next quest or its rewards given some of the other stuff there + we haven’t seen these other things previously, so I’d be careful approaching them closer if you don’t want to be spoiled !

[rigid mural]

My brain is small and hubris is immeasurable. If I do get spoiled, I will only have myself to blame /lh

[raw crypt]

HDJDHDH respect

[raw crypt]

I just did Eden! For the hint, I can say for certainty they removed the Winged Light SFX at the start of the credits, because that used to be an indication of people getting it before hitting skip, but now you can’t skip it so it’s pointless.

As for the characters I’m… Not 100% sure, I think everything looked the same, maybe some additional things to eden like more butterflies but still not character stuff? Spirits still had the off colours, the only change I think I can pinpoint is I think the end spirits are closer together when giving wingbuffs so that there’s more space for future seasons! ALSO WATER PROPHET HAS FINALLY ARRIVED LOLOL

[thick plaza]

Yaaaaay

[hushed steeple]

WAIT CAN YOU NOT SKIP THE CREDITS ANYMORE?!

[raw crypt]

NO NO YOU CAN, just not immediately like before

[rigid mural]

How about the elders ?

[hushed steeple]

Ohhhhh. No missing the glowboy. Thats better.

[raw crypt]

I only have Isle, Prairie and Vault, but I brought them down and they seemed to be the same

[rigid mural]

I got forest and isle, I could check on the former if I do my run this week.

[native mural]

[lethal stump]

reminds me of krill horns

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[hushed steeple]

Polypterus fishes

[jovial sail]

im still stressed out about sky plotholes. seasons should be used to explain this, not form even more plotholes. like us lore theorists have to make stuff up of our own like the light switch theory i made to explain the connection of prophecy and enchantment. like we know how wasteland came to be (war and pollution) but we barely know about why the hell ||eden is such a hellhole beyond repair||

[compact shale]

I mean, TGC do be like that

wait are you actually a 3d artist

[jovial sail]

yes

[compact shale]

for TGC?

[jovial sail]

no lol im trying to get hired at tgc

[compact shale]

maybe when you get hired into TGC you will have forbidden knowledge /hj

[jovial sail]

lmao im still working on my portfolio

but if i obtain it, i wont share it

[compact shale]

haha as if you have a choice

they probably have an NDA for it

[jovial sail]

lol im a good secret keeper

[compact shale]

anyways, what lore query do you have?

[jovial sail]

the light switch theory
i made it to try and explain the prophecy murals and the colored lights not lining up

[compact shale]

Tell me about it

I love anything related to light types

[jovial sail]

isle had red light (light of beginnings) it was switched with the cyan light to maybe blow fertile winds to regrow the isle (its also a very delicate light)

prairie has green light (light of earth) it stayed in place as the prairie wasn’t heavily affected by the darkness

forest had blue light (light of water) it was switched with orange light to give warmth in cold times

valley had cyan light (light of air) it was switched for blue light to try and drain the darkness out of the wasteland (where it flows into). obviously this only made the wastes sink deeper into the sand

wasteland had orange light (light of fire) it was switched for red light as it was the strongest light of all and wouldnt get damaged by the darkness

vault has purple light (light of endings)
it stayed in place as it is safe and already aligned with the dark

either it was switched on purpose, or it ended up in those realms and kept the balance by complete coincidence when the ark crashed but thats very unlikely

[compact shale]

Oooh

should we complete the trade of light type theories?

[jovial sail]

go ahead! im all ears

[compact shale]

ok here's a convoluted half-headcanon half-theory story about the origins of the colored lights and their uses

Part 1: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Part 2: #cozy-sky-discussion message

[jovial sail]

BROO I LOVE THESE THEORIES

[compact shale]

yeah that sounds right

[jovial sail]

also geography is an often over looked part in sky but it plays a huge role

the valley which experiences huge amounts of snowfall due to it elevation and element as the wind, creates large amounts of snowmelt that flows mostly into the wasteland (a marshland and river delta as seen in the nintendo trailer) which itself flows into the sea of manna near the starlight desert. the other snowmelt flows into the hidden forest river which flows in turn into the sea of sky near the isle and prairie, and into creeks feeding life

the valley receiving the element of water to flush its water channels almost certainly devastated the wasteland, which was already suffering at the hands of war and the darkness, only made worse by the soft sand being turned even softer

tldr: the wasteland was designed to fail

[compact shale]

oh my goodness

never thought of that

[jovial sail]

might wanna post this so you know what im talking about

[compact shale]

whoahhhhhh

interesting

wahat's the sea of marina/sky

[jovial sail]

the sea of sky is the ocean south of the sky continent. it appears in isle most prominently and in the prairie (and by extension sanc). it also should (if this map is accurate) touch the forest and valley coasts

the sea of manna on the other hand is the ocean north of the sky continent. it can be either seen as polluted as in the wasteland, or the clean part (the starlight desert

[compact shale]

where did you get the names from

edit: isnt manna the name for moses bread

[jovial sail]

i just named it the sea of sky cause i really didnt have any other name for it

i called the sea of manna that cause “shores of manna” was one of the golden wastelands original names in light awaits

[compact shale]

ooooh

wow

speaking of starlight desert, im just curious: how much of it is reality and how much of it is fantasy, in your opinion?

[upbeat rampart]

I don't think most of it was fantasy, probably 80%-90% reality

[jovial sail]

yeah it does make up the vast majority of the vault of knowledge (very little of the realm is the actual tower itself)

[hushed steeple]

Eh? Isle never had a light. Isle and Vault where left out.

[compact shale]

i think the desert is the only part that's real, the content isn't (the planetoids, the spirits, prince, etc.)

[upbeat rampart]

10% is left for interpretation, since I still do (slightly) believe that Vault elders made it to reflect it on their memories, and the spirits they find are representatives of who they've met (5 who they don't remember faces but remember their personas, the 6th being the one drunk on dark water)

[twilit blade]

I always thought the Little Prince (not the season itself, the character) as an imagination but the spirits and everything else were real; anything that has to do with the portion of the collab is not

[jovial sail]

the purple and red lights i gave to the vault and isle respectively. they dont exist as actual elements but rather “capstone lights” balancing light and natural dark in the sky world (different from the hostile darkness in the forest, wasteland, and eden)

[hushed steeple]

Im still confused if the spirit manta not being there anymore is intentional or not. If it is something was prince related might have been the reason it was being projected. But......its an odd thing to remove I think its not intentional.

[jovial sail]

yeah the desert is canon but the little prince itself isnt. the spirits may be canon

[upbeat rampart]

True, the actual parts are more vertical than horizontal.

[compact shale]

I have a theory about what Vault used to be, using the Mysterious Artifact OOB as a catalyst

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[jovial sail]

also the little prince did tell us that the dark water IS ethanol alcohol

[upbeat rampart]

The little Prince themselves are some sort of character the Vault spirits made, and so with the Rose, and it's basically to probably express how they felt of the loss of loved ones

(And Prince's characteristic based on how they perceive the world to be)

[hushed steeple]

One of the spirits strait up studies him though

[jovial sail]

i pretty fully support this. they are built inside the eden mountain as a library, a educational place, and an elevator

[compact shale]

how does that fit into canon tho? isn't dark water sewage in the wasteland? someone had to be on something else to try out sewage

[hushed steeple]

I think some concepts and video presentations mentioned Vault being the safekeeping of information in hopes future generations will see and use it. Memory holograph cubes, lots n lots of em. Big ol library, if only it had more fun holograms and NOT SO MANY ANNOYING STOPS TO LIGHT MORE.

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe it served as both?
Or somewhat both. Maybe those dark water had something added/subtracted/both and it caused it to basically be alcohol after more processing

But it's frowned upon since it's literally from the factory dark water but I guess addiction does that

[hushed steeple]

I wish these stayed instead of just the constellation symbols. The entire point of the name is lost.

[jovial sail]

i think what’s happening instead is that the light creatures from the isle prairie and valley are fed into the wasteland along with darkstone mined from the forest. the light creatures are chopped up and fermented (creating ethanol as a side product which is then thrown into the sea) and the light is combined with the darkstone to create power diamonds which are then distributed by the prairie, being the core of the trade network of sky

[compact shale]

maybe phones couldn't handle it

if there's something cool in light awaits that didn't make it the answer is usually phones

[terse canopy]

Sorry for ask but did they give us the official global service world map ?
Clear this
OMG what happened the cool down

[hushed steeple]

I honestly hope thats it. I know they had troubles with textures, all this for the technical limit, make myself feel better.

[twilit blade]

So if we only had PC, would we be able to get it, and possibly more?

[hushed steeple]

There was problems with mountain isle too. But I don’t know if it was every version of mountain isle (there was many) or just one. Turning it into another journey desert seems like a drastic resort.

[compact shale]

Maybe? I can't really say much about technical reasons all I know is that phones couldn't handle a bunch of stuff in light awaitss

[terse canopy]

Whom I should ask for dis…
They gave this before the season begins,now our flight is ending

[jovial sail]

the prairie didnt like the fact that they were killing light creatures and turning them into power diamonds as light creatures were sacred in the prairie, thus, a war began in the wasteland between natural and artificial light

[hushed steeple]

Apparently that map only released in china dev video, it has never appeared in any promotional content for global, as far as I know, but we still talk about it.

[jovial sail]

wait they gave us the official world map??

[terse canopy]

Nah, they only gave this for Chinese
This should be pinged till they give us real official I think

[jovial sail]

dang this should be official

way better than my map

[regal phoenix]

why did isle become so grey when it used to have alot of plants and such

[compact shale]

If it's only in the chinese server it's entirely possible netease made it

as for the starlight desert, it's possible that TGC might not be able to explain which is real and which isn't without getting in trouble with POMASE (TLP copyright owners)

[jovial sail]

the the stars fell and darkness happened

[terse canopy]

This is made by Yui Tanabe from the interview

[compact shale]

who's Yui?

[hushed steeple]

Oh the concept artist? I forgot if thats what he is.

[jovial sail]

yui mom sorry i had to lol

[terse canopy]

https://thatgamecompany.com/our-team/

[compact shale]

well it's probably real then

wonder why it's not global tho

[hushed steeple]

Lore people have already picked over it. I don’t personally see any inconsistencies aside from its a map and its gonna be outdated in a few seasons.

[icy spruce]

China’s lore and Global’s lore are like not connected (which sucks because China gets lore bread, LORE BREAD)

we all want lore bread
I DON’T KNOW WHY CHINA GET’S SEPARATE LORE IT JUST DO BE LIKE THAT

[regal phoenix]

I want lore bread

[compact shale]

Hah, lore is organic, almost alive, isn't it...

CHESCA WHY DOES CHINA GET ITS OWN SEPARATE LORE IS CENSORSHIP THAT BAD

also now that I see the TGC team board I finally found out what skidmore is

[terse canopy]

I think it’s just the difference in translation and the lack of individual information

[jovial sail]

the lore is so different that global sky and china sky might as well be parallel universes

[jovial sail]

in global lore, my map reigns supreme, but imma still gloss over the chinese map to see if theres any details that i may have missed

[compact shale]

man this is getting weird

i dont think TGC meant for us non-chinese to peer into the chinese server

china might not have discord im not sure

[jovial sail]

i dont think they do
edit: I DONT THINK they could have it i may be wrong

[terse canopy]

Yea that's pretty weird, but leave Chinese, as I know japanese call Eden like original sin this make me more sure It’s just that someone added something inexplicable to the translation
Yea they don't have discord

As we in same server with japanese, the realms and others translation are quite different from us, maybe "Chinese lore"is same just translation problems

[hushed steeple]

WHY. What WORD IS GETTING BLOCKED. AAAAAAAA IM TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSLATED DOCUMENT AND HOW ITS WIDELY THE SAME BUT SAYS THAT PRINCE IS

[terse canopy]

You mean that china lore google doc? As I asked Chinese fren they told me most of them are not written by official
I'm sorry for that

[jovial sail]

that means the lore probably is different

[compact shale]

holy heck

why need unofficial lore tho

is the original lore gonna get beaned by the government

[hushed steeple]

WHYHDHSHAHAHA THE SON WHO IS THE CHILD OF A KING WHO PASSED AWAY

HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO REWORD THIS

IT BLOCKS SON IF YOU PUT IT NEXT TO OF AND A THATS SO STUPID

[icy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/107rKIxyCXZxFBaJHxO6hiyW_IRuRbS9iwWJjFLefa_I/edit

China’s lore

It’s fanmade so uh take it eith a grain of salt

[terse canopy]

Seems that the PR they hired at the beginning did not know what to write that time, most the worlds are guessing
and I saw one pr really don't love the game 😅

[compact shale]

ouch >.<

lore is pretty secretive huh

why couldn't tgc tell them the lore

[hushed steeple]

Honestly the game during light aways time had no solid story as they were trying out a new intro every update and, well, maybe still are. Heres the confirmed undisputed canon story of the game: the stars fell.

[icy spruce]

Maybe cause they’re gonna use it in some future seasons?

[compact shale]

Jam's trying to piece together the current game intros as objectively as they can but it doesn't solve everything and probably never will

[jovial sail]

ok so according to the wasteland of the chinese version, it was apparently always a desolate place, but here in global lore, we know it was more like the prairie once. doesnt add up

[compact shale]

but the PR is part of the game staff in a way

why did they have to keep it a secret from their own staff

[hushed steeple]

Before current intro we had “if only they had listened” and before that “I cast them away” and before that “you are separated from your family” and before that “light and darkness lived together in harmony” and beforhwthatandbeforethat

[icy spruce]

True

[compact shale]

The only things that are certain to be canon are that which can be seen in the present version of the game

[terse canopy]

But Chinese pr just a hired worker from net ease I don't think they can be a part of TGC 's world

[hushed steeple]

You say one of the PR actually dislikes the game?

[jovial sail]

i mean that last part is at least true. dark existed just like light. the forest backs this up. the woods were always dark with dark plants and crabs and rain, but it lost balance

[terse canopy]

I saw someone complaining about this on an anonymous forum and he was very angry
Calm his just net ease's staff

[jovial sail]

LAMED LMAO HAHA

[hushed steeple]

Forest rain was actually caused by the gifted water element as seen in prophecy mural , it wasn’t always toxic I guess.

[terse canopy]

Anyway I really sus if "Chinese lore" which part are not from CAFA 2018 could be trusted

[jovial sail]

THANK YOU IVE ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS THE DARKSTONE LEACHING PROBABLY CONTAMINATED THE RAIN MAKING IT HAZARDOUS

ive sucked the lore dry of every other realm (especially isle and forest. dont get me started on wasteland) now its the vault’s turn

[icy spruce]

TOXIC RAIN THEORY YEAHHH

[twilit blade]

They robbed us the opportunity of non-toxic rain

[hushed steeple]

CAFA? The official deal? Just that someone had to make something up for the other server is interesting, though judging by the text mentioning following a white bird, even if it is just some rando coming up with it, it seems outdated.

[terse canopy]

Yea even the official part is from light awaits do Chinese lore really exist
Wait why I'm thinking about Chinese lore
If it exists then I think Japan may have their own lore too, I was really shocked when I found they call GW "a land be given up",vault "library", Eden "original sin"

[compact shale]

i don't know

like i said tgc probably allowed chinese lore to be the way it is because they never thought we non-chinese would discover it

[icy spruce]

ye :(

[terse canopy]

Once I was talk with my fren I said (things he mentioned before)that against the lore
And he answered:who cares

[rigid mural]

Even then, stuff can get retconned. Thinking about some spirit memories...

[icy spruce]

Stealing this image rn

[harsh pecan]

quietly saves photo

[compact shale]

but those retcons don't get acknowledged, so all we can rely on is that what's in the present verrsion is certain to be canon

[gilded spoke]

what's their lore to be exact? ||NE getting better at storytelling these days, so I wanna see||

Edit: chesca

[boreal bane]

i wonder if the wind paths caused the darkness to spread further across the kingdom of sky

[distant lynx]

Huh me too

[smoky cipher]

Possible

[hushed steeple]

Their lore? You mean the reason why they don’t trust that map? Uhhhh...I dunno. Theres always debates about if places are actually there or a figment or something.

[smoky cipher]

Though we don't see any dark plants in Prophecy Cave and Hermit Valley
Sanctuary, Sunny Forest/Underground Forest, Ark, and Starlight Desert has dark plants (Starlight Desert has dark plants shown during one of the little prince quests)

[frigid tinsel]

Prophecy Cave is really secluded and Hermit Valley is above the clouds, maybe the darkness doesn’t reach there.
(Assuming that darkness spreads via the clouds).

[boreal bane]

if the wind paths did cause the darkness to spread faster, what if the flight spirits felt responsible for the darkness spreading to the other seasonal areas

[compact shale]

I bet they did, maybe that's why they need our help. They want to make up for it, but don't know how. This regret of theirs is part of the reason they don't want to ascend yet.

[hazy sphinx]

salutations i was summoned here
Let me go back and grab screenshots, or just type it out and wait for slowmode to end
IVE GOT MANY OTHER THEORIES TOO

[solid heath]

Here

[alpine geyser]

So what's your theory about acid rain
Edit: I've come to this lore channel like a year later lol

[mellow ruin]

UsjjsksoaiaisiaiaiIsjja

[solid heath]

I need help i no understand the storyline

[hazy sphinx]

Forest's acid rain is because of the dark water evaporating in GW, which is from melted snow waterfrom valley that is polluted by darkness as it runs down into GW.

[mellow ruin]

Acid rain in the forest makes sense actually bc it hurts the skykid i always wondered whY the water didnt effect the skykid but rain did

[compact shale]

Here's the lore moth document with some basic info, might help

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[alpine geyser]

Some lores are canon while some are fan made. I think you should read the beginner lore doc

[solid heath]

Thanks guys

[hazy sphinx]

Why does valley's snow not melt, and where does it come from?
I'd like to see some theories on that.

[mellow ruin]

I have always thought the maskless are blind

[frigid tinsel]

Valley snow doesn’t melt cos it’s really high and in high altitudes, snow doesn’t really melt

[alpine geyser]

If that's the case then maybe rain should have occured in valley? Because vapors condense in cold climate and thus rain. And valley comes between gw and forest so technically it should rain at valley area🙄

[hazy sphinx]

Too cold there. It would be acid snow

[icy spruce]

ye, I mean Valley is on a mountain(s)

Valley was prolly not that polluted unlike Forest

[pastel hollow]

Valley might be just like hidden forest if it wasn’t so high? Idk

[mellow ruin]

Not sure bc it doesnt hurt the kid

[compact shale]

PSA: Geography is pretty important

[frigid tinsel]

Vapors condense into clouds up high but clouds themselves are heavy, so it drifts down before it precipitates. Also it’s too high in Valley to rain, but if it’s too cold up there, it may not snow reliably neither

[pastel hollow]

There doesn’t seem to be anything harmful in valley other than the crabs in the temple, in contrast to forest and gw
That’s weird…

[mellow ruin]

Question is the skykid also a fallen star or it was created TO save the fallen star

[jovial sail]

i literally built and entire paragraph about this

[alpine geyser]

The snowfall is just a type of rain. Means the gw vapour should snowfall in valley and since it's of dark water it should hurt skykids but there's only one place of snowfall in dream but it doesn't hurt skykids

[icy spruce]

Prolly created to save the fallen stars

Lore chat is gen chat but lore

Tbh, Valley, Forest and GW are oretty far away (since Valley is on top of a valley while the others are ground level)

[twilit blade]

I thought this was gen chat at first oof xD

[pastel hollow]

WAIT HANG ON
forest (after temple) doesn’t get rain and only has 2 darkness plants and perfectly pure water
Then it leads you to valley
Any thoughts?

[mellow ruin]

Send it/hj

[compact shale]

I HAVE TO FIND IT

[hazy sphinx]

It's just a theory I have. Maybe the clouds are just dark clouds?

[alpine geyser]

I remember that all realm time is frozen and they're tidally locked means they don't go through day and night or season changes that's why all this. But our home's time not frozen so day and night

[jovial sail]

its here

[mellow ruin]

There are stories that rainy forest gw and valley are related like siblings or relatives maybe they tried to help each but couldnt REACH the end mmm idk im out of ideas

[hazy sphinx]

any forest mama lore i can take a peek at though?

[pastel hollow]

Before I had a thought that the rain itself may not be harmful since the water in forest wasn’t, but rather the rain hitting the kids too hard
Then again there’s no bonk damage in sky (used to be but… now there isn’t they’re only harmed by darkness)
Hmm

[frigid tinsel]

I think whatever darkness is in clouds is too dissipated to cause harm versus when it is concentrated in water. “Dark clouds” may be green, like in wasteland and the wind paths currently

[alpine geyser]

A normal water doesn't hurt kids but dark water does

[hazy sphinx]

im just imaging a skykid with a concussion

[pastel hollow]

I wonder why forest clouds don’t look as green as the flight area currently and golden wasteland, if the rain really is dark water

[alpine geyser]

Okay i thought something weird. Dark water hurts sky kids but the clouds in gw recharges us instead 😂 so explain someone 😂

[frigid tinsel]

Do they have brains to get concussed?

[mellow ruin]

The clouds are polluted by darkness which causes the rain to damage the child and in wasteland the water is also polluted by darkness maybe in both rainy and gw had acid rain and the gw was affected all by acid

[jovial sail]

heres the thing: the wasteland is alot lower than the valley. they are both areas that water flows through. the difference is that the forest is slightly sloped up as it goes up to the valley range. the wasteland is a sheer cliff drop

[pastel hollow]

OH YEAH, FORGOTTEN ARK
Now that brings even more questions

[mellow ruin]

That makes it alot easier

[alpine geyser]

Anyone have a theory why rain hurts us but clouds recharges us?🙄

[hazy sphinx]

rain's mean

[frigid tinsel]

I think whatever darkness is in clouds is too dissipated to cause harm versus when it is concentrated in water. “Dark clouds” may be green, like in wasteland and the wind paths currently

[pastel hollow]

The only thing I can think of is the rain being literal bullets to our skykid but that’s it and it can be disproven by the fact we no longer have bonk damage

[alpine geyser]

First we gotta know why does a regular cloud recharges us. We can then maybe connect to other clouds

[mellow ruin]

If anyone has noticed in flight the spirits might take help from the forgotten ark sinces theres a path? Maybe it somehow relates to the sky lore

[pastel hollow]

Ive seen a theory once here that name may be of emotional significance sorta. The rain could feel cold and gloomy whereas normal water like geysers and swimming are just normal or fun
It could be true! And maybe flying through clouds is fun, that’s why it always heals us

[alpine geyser]

I think our sky kids recharge through fire, creatures of light and clouds. Maybe it's bcoz of energy. Clouds being in vapor phase has more energy than water so maybe idk 😂

[hazy sphinx]

skykids secretly made of fire and light, and their hair is clouds

[alpine geyser]

It would mean if we started chilling in dark water it should heal us😂 maybe😂

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird made us that way

[pastel hollow]

This reminded me of how you collect blue light and convert the dark water into normal water.
Maybe that’s of significance!

[twilit blade]

I like the other theory someone here made that the only reason the rain in H. Forest hurts us is because it was powered by a dark diamond, making it corrupted. I'll vouch for that theory until we get more lore

[jovial sail]

also another reason is that forest is still mostly intact is that the wasteland is not a single river. as seen in the nintendo trailer, the wasteland used to be (and still is) a river delta and swampland. the forest is mostly one single river. and that having the valley receive the blue light of the water instead of the cyan light of the air that it originally had (that went to the isle) made the wasteland overflow and sink deeper into the soft sand

[alpine geyser]

Dark diamond? Like the one in eden?

[pastel hollow]

Woah, that could be true
Like we can even turn off the rain when activating the candles..l

[hazy sphinx]

what if it stops raining in forest suddenly? A drought occurs? NEW POSSIBLE SEASON IDEA JUST HIT

[jovial sail]

i think they mean power diamonds
the ones made of darkstone and the fermented bodies of light creatures

[mellow ruin]

that would be a good idea for a quest 😳

[pastel hollow]

Ahhh! Valley could’ve been pretty bad before, but then sustained by the blue light.
Forest could’ve had an option for the rain to grow their plants and such but it malfunctioned and overflowed

[frigid tinsel]

I think that’s just the weather. Also being in the border of an irl rainstorm is very trippy, that could be what’s happening

[alpine geyser]

I think that main reason is pollution. Gw used to be greenish but due to pollution there with factories and stuff it polluted the water there and hurts kids. Similar with geyser in sanctuary it's polluted and hurts us. Similar reason can be fore forest it also had a powe diamond factory ( forest temple) which mighte have caused pollution and hurts us via acid rain ?

[pastel hollow]

Y’know, I’ve heard things about cloud seeding irl? So yeah maybe idk

[mellow ruin]

EXACTLY

[jovial sail]

the gw is the factories
the forest is where they mine darkstone
i think chemical leaching from the mining is what polluted the rain

[alpine geyser]

Yeah

[pastel hollow]

Yup, golden wasteland (literally a wasteland) and forest are definitely polluted in some way.

[alpine geyser]

Gw and forest were the main places of power diamond manufacturing and creating pollution

[pastel hollow]

By the way.
Prairie, forest and golden wasteland all have those bell temples.
Prairie’s temples are covered in dark plants
Forest has them located in a flooded area and also has dark plants
Golden wasteland’s temple is straight up broken
Any theories on this? Or coincidence?

[jovial sail]

not as much as what the dark water does to the golden wasteland. the light creatures are cut up and fermented and the side product is ethanol alcohol (aka dark water) which not only gives acid rain, but completely demolishes and ecosystem

[mellow ruin]

I do not think its a coincidence there must be a reason to it

[distant turtle]

It's dark rain but diluted in the normal stream

[pastel hollow]

Jeeeez this slow mode I’m replying late

[alpine geyser]

Prairie temple is normal. Forest one is power diamond factory just like first krill area in gw and gw temple went through civil war

[hazy sphinx]

The dark plants were left unburned for so long they destroyed wasteland first, started on forest, and have begun to sprout on prairie's.

[mellow ruin]

I think the crabs and krill broke those temples/hj

[pastel hollow]

I meant the bell temples not the actual temple with the elders, but yep

[alpine geyser]

Elders don't live in temple. They live in some different dimensions that we don't know where. It's a canon

[twilit blade]

Its just the corruption continuously spreading

[jovial sail]

eh i think the temple used to extend far beyond, maybe even being one with the fort city that we see buried into the marsh in the concept art. it probably begun at the broken temple area with large walls and bridges as evidenced by the pillars

[mellow ruin]

There was a spirit that straight up dies on a scene i wonder whats the reason is it for the pollution

[pastel hollow]

There may not be crabs and krills in prairie and that part of forest but I’m imagining the crabs of gw ramming into a random broken temple and I’m wheezing

[jovial sail]

i mean there was a war between natural and artificial light

[pastel hollow]

I’ve always thought it was just during or the after effects of the war, a person who didn’t make it/exhausted completely
But now that you think about it…
They could’ve also been fainting due to the pollution there. It’s so green and covered in dark water I don’t think you could live there nicely
But that’s not the only spirit there…

[frigid tinsel]

we know there was a war of some sort, not sure what they were fighting over

[mellow ruin]

New home of crabs
Also in the Nintendo trailer there was little boy with the basic hair going into the isle with the elder one its not related but i think that child is actually the point emote 💀

[alpine geyser]

Cya I got work

[jovial sail]

well, prairie or valley prob got angry at wasteland and forest or smth

[pastel hollow]

Oh yeah that could be them

[twilit blade]

This spirit ?

Its a (they are) playing dead emote

[frigid tinsel]

"faint"

[mellow ruin]

They also points at the isle elder and tells us to go there maybe they tried to help the people in the sky world too

[gilded spoke]

what if they're hyping a new season where we travel back through time, and the reason why the main character is shown like that, is because they're the first sky child

[pastel hollow]

Not related but I remembered prairie elder’s butterflies and then the butterflies at gw that got removed
Prairie: stop using all this artificial light! Here! Have some butterflies
Gw: no traps them in a plant
Prairie: burns the plant HEY!
Gw: gets rid of the butterflies completely

[mellow ruin]

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL THO but i doubt that that little child is us bc the hair is completely different

[frigid tinsel]

i'm imaging wasteland and prairie elders wrestling in their liminal zones now, lol

[jovial sail]

what are you doing with those mantas btw

oh nothing just giving them a good home making the wasteland (that name was probably given later) feel more bright!

uh huh.. sure.

[pastel hollow]

Gw elder: look prairie my guy, we need to feed the krills somehow I can’t let them die of starvation

[mellow ruin]

They do be having some sibling arguement
Another question why does the rescued manta in the rainy forest follow you 🤨

[frigid tinsel]

it loves you

[pastel hollow]

Well, you rescued it, it obviously wants to help you when you’re low on light

[jovial sail]

when the prairie and ayin found out what they were really doing they didnt like it

also krills have uncorrupted versions as seen in the trailer

[mellow ruin]

⬆️ That ⬆️

[gilded spoke]

yeah, heck THEY'RE EVEN RIDING THEM

[twilit blade]

I don't think the Nintendo trailer contained any sky kids

[frigid tinsel]

most game trailers: oh yea, introducing the game, pretty cool.
sky trailers: LORE?!

[mellow ruin]

Guardians in sky when
Well there WAS a little boy

[gilded spoke]

THERE IS LITTERALLY A SKY KID RIDING WITH THE OTHER "ancestor"

[jovial sail]

there were 2 waves of skykids

the first wave (the statues in eden) that also can be seen in the trailer

and the second wave (us sent as a last hope by megabird)

[twilit blade]

They were spirits like the ones we relive now, as seen from their fingers

[frigid tinsel]

that little child prob isn't a skykid

[mellow ruin]

LITERALLY IT ACTUALLY HELPS WITH UNDERSTANDING THE STORY ALOT CLEARLY

[gilded spoke]

I still think about the fact that it's implied that the diamond exploded

[twilit blade]

Isle looked very pretty pre-corruption

And yeah skykids would naturally have capes

[mellow ruin]

No it isnt

[jovial sail]

eh i still hate that we have all this lore and yet eden is still here just left unexplained as to what happened exactly like yeah i know the darkness happened but WHAT EXACTLY

the biggest plothole in the game

[frigid tinsel]

thing is, literally nothing is certain, so we can't be certain

[gilded spoke]

eden season when?

[twilit blade]

I am certain that nothing is certain

[jovial sail]

they need to fix that plothole before i run over it and get a flat tire

[mellow ruin]

The elders want you dead thats it

[compact shale]

Discord word limit ends the civilization.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel hollow]

We gotta know what happened to eden maaaan
The closest we’ve been to an Eden season is tlp’s last quest and that didn’t even explain anything it was a crossover season about some boye going to Eden to die

[mellow ruin]

Heehe boy goes to eden and becomes stone and dies 🥰

[pastel hollow]

AND THIS PROBABLY ONKY HAPPENED BECAUSE THERES NO SNAKES IN SKY
aaaa

[astral bobcat]

It really is very interesting

[compact shale]

Yeah

[twilit blade]

There's been several theories about Eden (before and after) in this channel that you can find as well

Along with the info on these docs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[jovial sail]

in my headcanon, alef and resh are the same. alef is just the prince before the trials while still being taught by the elders

resh is from completing trials/being crowned onwards

[icy spruce]

office lore

[jovial sail]

screw the sky planet, lets explore the sky star system

[pastel hollow]

I always thought they were different but I never knew much about the king so I didn’t theorize much about him but. This makes a lotta sense and may be my new headcanon

[gilded spoke]

time to make this canon in my universe /hj

[mellow ruin]

That sounds cannon

[compact shale]

When you think about it, Alef had a weird and probably harrowing childhood.

Imagine falling from the Sky and the first two ancestors who find you decide to send you to this old man. And then the old man says that you might be the chosen one, but you have no idea. Then you get sent to these places that makes you experience the wrath of the elements. But it's in your head. And because it's all in your head no one listens when you say you want to get out. But you have to go through it. And somehow, unlike the others, you just keep reviving. To continue the torment.

Man.

[frigid tinsel]

Alef having five mental breakdowns a day

[pastel hollow]

Y’all
Who built home
Was it the off-season qg?
Who knows

[twilit blade]

When you find out that you're the Avatar

[mellow ruin]

Alef or resh shows up in sky when

[compact shale]

looks like we know why they weren't a good king

[pastel hollow]

Yknow what I’d end up polluting and destroying an entire planet and 7 realms if people treated me like the chosen one from birth

[gilded spoke]

My theory is that king looked like the prince before, he became uh king.

He made another prince, as his successor

and the fact that king and prince would have to go through the same things to become successful

[jovial sail]

IM LOOKING FOR A VERY SPECIFIC VID

[twilit blade]

Yeah because Alef was a child forced to ruled an entire Kingdom for Megabird's sake

[pastel hollow]

Reading this and coco’s paragraph while listening to meltdown - iroha is painful
Poor Alef

[frigid tinsel]

or, perhaps they weren't forced, but they chose to and was in over their head?

[gilded spoke]

MeGaBIrD Is EViL!??!?!?!11
-game theory probably

[twilit blade]

Do you mean they overextended or something like that

[compact shale]

I've had the thought that Megabird never intended Alef to be treated like this

Alef grew too fast, then they destroyed the kingdom, the end

@gilded spoke I have a theory about Megabird being not-so-benevolent, but for a different reason

[pastel hollow]

Oh yeah
A decision they could’ve regretted later
We’re all over-enthusiastic as kids
They could’ve also let the power get to their head

[twilit blade]

TGC makes Sky lore sound like a Greek Mythology

[frigid tinsel]

that's a legit theory I've seen and considered myself, that Megabird may be cruel. I mean, who sends children into a fallen kingdom to die over and over again for other people's sake?

[gilded spoke]

atleast someone is not like, uh- you know who

[twilit blade]

Yooo Voldemort is in greek mythology??

[pastel hollow]

Eden now scares me

[jovial sail]

i mean the spirits are dead humans and are elders kinda demigods

i feel like the elders were mortal in their lives, just given high status and when they died, they became basically demigods

[compact shale]

I have a theory where Megabird is not that benevolent. I bring death.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[gilded spoke]

...
i mean zeu-

[twilit blade]

Ah, juice :D

[pastel hollow]

Yoo… this actually sounds legit

[gilded spoke]

this theory made me think skykids have adhd for some reason

[compact shale]

Once upon a time,

Krill Zeus

[frigid tinsel]

you're the one who wrote that. I have not gone a day where I haven't thought about that theory since I read that.

[twilit blade]

Not lore-related but I randomly scrolled down this

[gilded spoke]

Dear megabirb no

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel hollow]

Megabird: Be not afraid
Us theorizing about not so benevolent megabirb: This is the scariest moment of my life

[pastel hollow]

i randomly imagined alef falling in a “nuclear reactor” as the song says but instead it’s either gw or some forest tech idk
That probably can’t happen but s o n g

[compact shale]

Thou hast forgotten to take thy pills.

[gilded spoke]

oh yeah, I this popped up in my head

||flight questgiver is saying Megabird's words through someone||

[pastel hollow]

I always found the first quest having “the spirits have been waiting for someone like you to arrive” ominous
That’s obviously not flight guide talking right? You could be right

[twilit blade]

Oh nice, more spirits-are-merely-puppets/puppeteering theories :D

[compact shale]

how many times has this theory died and been revived by accident?

[twilit blade]

Just like puppets, they get revived every now and then

I MEAN PUPPETS NOOO

[frigid tinsel]

cats have nine lives, not dogs

[pastel hollow]

Flight guide seems like a fun person keen about their job
And then the quest’s text comes in
What was assembly’s quest text again?

[gilded spoke]

oh yeah, why is there a megabird mural near the entrance office and why specifically on the water

[hushed steeple]

Flight guide was looking for someone like you because you can fly. And their boats are kinda on the fritz.

[frigid tinsel]

maybe flight guide said that cos they heard from Megabird(?) that someone with the ability to fly was arriving to help

[twilit blade]

I find it funny how they're basically dead, their souls are no longer tethered to the physical embodiment of a body nor follow the rules of gravity, and yet they somehow they still do afterdeath

[gilded spoke]

and oh yeah question, why do assembly kids look like the lightseekers, and do you think there is anything related to them?

[hushed steeple]

I think skykids are general spirit knowledge even if some have yet to meet any yet. Sky kids where prophesied, I think it mentions in prarie pin poem, but also in new intro. Spirits are just waiting about for little errand runners

[twilit blade]

Oh my Megabird, we're the angels

Who are also now stuck to have only one goal over and over

[compact shale]

My theory is that their last wish was to have help because they died when the wind paths were at their darkest moment

By helping them with their errands, we help them make up for the catastrophe and help them heal from their dying regret of being unable to save the paths.

All seasonal spirits have their own wish, and by helping them to fulfill it, they will allow us to ascend them. The full theory is the counter of the Distraction Theory.

[gilded spoke]

odd enough, their corpse still exists in the form of stone.

[twilit blade]

I both love Distraction Theory and and Last Wish/Ascension Theory the same, but it's hard which you have to side with because they both seem plausible

[hushed steeple]

When your past race you set to Shepard light and own the land ends up crusted in darkness and unable to return, you send others to take over the job for them.

[pastel hollow]

It’s just off, that they refer to “the spirits” instead of “we”
“We’ve been waiting for someone like you to arrive” would imply flight guide themself

[twilit blade]

Because we aren't part of their family

[gilded spoke]

do you know what I don't like to think about?

[hushed steeple]

Granted spirits only talk in first person instead of getting narration text during TLP

[compact shale]

Last Wish Theory (there's a good reason why we need to befriend the spirits!) #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Distraction Theory (befriending spirits is a waste of time and doesn't help our mission!)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[icy spruce]

Mmm, last wish theory

The angst

[gilded spoke]

as a person who makes ocs, this is accurate

[icy spruce]

YES, IF LAST WISH THEORY IS CANON THEN SEASON OF DREAMS AMMOUNTNOF ANGST

[pastel hollow]

Trying to join distraction and last wish theory together.
We get distracted befriending spirits, visiting locations etc. But the last wish thing is just us focusing, after all we still have something to do and aren’t distracted forever
We still have more friendships after the spirits though! So more distraction
We keep finding more and more spirits. And we have to wait for seasonal spirits to come as ts to ascend them, so we get distracted during the season, but complete their ascension later on
By also fulfilling their last wish too

[compact shale]

The distraction theory is actually a revived theory

it was first proposed last year by someone else but judging by the other messages it didn't receive enough acknowledgement and died soon after it was created

[icy spruce]

It actually didn’t die

[twilit blade]

When will you compile all your custom theories to a single doc so we can access and enjoy them easily 😔

[gilded spoke]

that makes me think that skater passed young (word got censored)

[icy spruce]

skater got krilled before they can debut

let that sink in.

[pastel hollow]

I saw a theory (on gen chat? Idk) where the dreams guide (adult) actually only had memories of being a skater girl, and was sharing them with us to relive! Explaining why she has the ults without wearing them
It explains that they’re called memories. I don’t think she passed before completing her dream, but rather much much later as an adult, the way we see them now

[gilded spoke]

I think she passed during the yeti's reliving or the trial, those could've made her pass
like think about it, what if he didn't actually catch her in time

[icy spruce]

mmm more angst

[compact shale]

I've said before that had Yeti not caught her, she would've broken several bones and her dream would end before it even started

I wouldn't really say she died there but it's still angsty right?

[twilit blade]

How brutal, dying the same way your dream goal works

[gilded spoke]

but if he did catch her, there's now a possibility that she passed during the yeti's trial, because, just LOOK AT THE AREA IT TAKES PLACE, SO MANY SAFTEY HAZARDS
||and this makes me sad tbh||

[twilit blade]

I'm not a Dreams moth so I currently am not catching up with the "catching her" and "trial" parts

[gilded spoke]

just relive yeti and do dreams quesline to get your answer

[twilit blade]

Ooh, so by "catching her" you mean when she falls by that cliff, thus making the bearhug emote?

Welp, so just the trial part I don't know about since I first relived all the spirits for the sake of reliving it until I found out about lore

[gilded spoke]

yes.

[boreal bane]

imagine if the kingdom of sky fell during the skater's performance

[hushed steeple]

Has anyone journeyed to Eden after the patch? A friend of mine saw a hand holding prompt and I'm wondering if it's a lore hint or just a bug

[compact shale]

Hahaha

this throws me back to the time when I immediately thought that the Questgiver was an older skater girl

[pastel hollow]

And I mean, nobody said you’re wrong

[hushed steeple]

…that would be kind of adorable

[compact shale]

actually that thought came to me when I was a true moth and wasn't even in this discord yet

Like a few minutes after doing some season of dreams exploring I was like "Yep. That questgiver is the older skater girl."

[rigid mural]

Doesn't the Dreams QG give skater girl her outfit (the ults) ?

[compact shale]

Lol we all know the questgiver is a parent. Still tho

[twilit blade]

Sorry whenever I see diamond I immediately think of the king

[compact shale]

That probably doesn't even affect Sky's canon, with it being a collab and all. (the desert is definitely real, the content might not)

[twilit blade]

I know, I've just been thinking about the King/Alef so much I thought I was seeing them everywhere

[compact shale]

holy heck man

Alef's gone through so much

[twilit blade]

I guess you could say his life has been reshed

[compact shale]

Don't ask why but I've always thought "we should get the 2 chonky tyrant kings to fight - Resh vs Yharim is TOTALLY not gonna go wrong!"

(search up Yharim if you don't know who that is)

[tulip aspen]

im still so mad they didnt clear out all that stuff and place actual sky stuff around the map afterwards

it really sucks

tlp always will be in the end a rly unneeded season

[compact shale]

I guess they wanted moths to experience it... but with Hologram Prince

[tulip aspen]

i had heard before the season ended, that when it ended the flower would vanish permanently

i would have loved that so much

it would make it such a special thing for specifically the new switch players, and for that generation of moth only

when you lose something, there's more value in the time you spent with it

[compact shale]

Hm... must've been something in the drawing board that changed

this season is Lorechat's little headache, isn't it? we should ask something about it in the next dev stream... if I can get there in time...

[tulip aspen]

this theory works really well with my recent canon-chasing

i think its extremely accurate fruity

[tulip aspen]

i dont think theyd answer, or give anything of merit; (prolly at most a "yeah we just want it to stay")

[tulip aspen]

thats a REALLY great theory

[compact shale]

No I mean we ask something like "Which parts of Starlight desert are part of the canon are real and which parts aren't?"

whatever answer will either get us closer to a conclusion or we will stay where we are

not much to lose

also the "Last Wish" theory is based on how ghosts in popular mythology exist because they have "unfinished business", except in Sky no one is trying to kill someone else

[night pecan]

raises hand
do we know why the rain in forest drains light but normal water doesn't?
cause i assume the rain isn't dark water rain otherwise the puddles in forest would be much more dangerous

[tulip aspen]

id say all we can know for CERTAIN, canonically, is the Elder's purpose is to ascend the spirits back to the Sky, but they can't do that until the spirit [blank]

to fill in that blank accurately, we have to think about what's required to help them ascend

1, they are trapped, held in some sort of stasis by the darkness

2, once released from the darkness, their memories explode across the land they loved and cherished, and the skykid is then required to follow or carry the light created by their pure, living memories

from their experiences we gain emotions, and once we finish reliving what they once had, they can finally ascend towards the temple
[we can also assume they are the ones who need us to succeed reliving that memory, because if we fail to do so, their soul remains trapped as the darkness grows over their material corpse once again]

the elder sends them skyward as you enter the Elder's domain (their own limbo)

after you die and ascend, you can see the spirits the elders sent skyward flying towards the Sky as well, but you wont find them in the ultimate limbo created by the Sky, known as Orbit

Not until you ascend them
At this point [id like to think they canonically become part of the Sky again] they 'become truly free'(?)

That's as canonical as we can establish
the three theories on memory are all extremely important candidates and vehicles for knowing what could have happened / needs to happen though

so what are the three theories again?
we have the
last wish theory
distraction theory
and (my theory which is me thinking im right about everything for no reason) that enlightenment concept i had

but @compact shale
could you possibly tell me what the distraction theory is?

[tulip aspen]

the dark rain only has particles of darkness
I'd like to think that little amount of darkness would and does dissolve in larger bodies of water

[compact shale]

Distraction Theory is the idea that befriending the spirits is a distraction and it doesn't help us in our mission to return them to the stars

The worry is that spending time with them (beyond reliving them and burning the darkness ball) is going to make them want to stay in the kingdom because that's where we are

The worry is that they'd become too content again like they did before (I trust you might have mentioned this before, right?)

And if "skykids are golems" is true, then they might not have been born with emotions, but they learned them as a side effect of fully reliving a spirit, and as they relived more, they became a little more like them

What counts as distraction is basically anything beyond the default reliving (seasonal quests and Grandma's dinner)

[next crater]

still upset we never got to know how all realms looked before the stars fell ;_;

[rigid mural]

What's the name of that theory ? It's almost exactly what I think

[rough parcel]

Thank you for these theories, folks. They are candy to my imagination! 😍

[hushed steeple]

I like to think that that's acid rain.
Moff me did genuinely think that the water we wade through is what drains our light. Oh, silly Mia.
But now I think that the Eden catastrophe caused flooding in Forest, so what we're seeing there might be water from surrounding oceans and such.
Or as someone else mentioned, it could be that the acid was diluted by a larger body of water.

I say "acid rain" but I really mean something that's analogous to acid rain in the Sky world

[distant turtle]

darkened rain

[lofty rover]

YES

I wish we had something more to the switch trailer

[fair crown]

Are wasterlands cold or hot by temperature? Same goes to the vault… Probably they are cold as thesse locations come after the vally of triumph, which is snowy = cold place

[next crater]

maybe it is moist. Warm moist. Ew

[icy spruce]

Prolly cold since no sunlight (well, barely)

[hushed steeple]

I think Wasteland is really swampy and marshy and dirty

Vault ks nice and cool, because shelter

[tulip aspen]

what i stated there wasnt a theory lol

its all in the intro to the game

[rigid mural]

I'm not very bright

[tulip aspen]

im personally not a fan of the golem theory, i really really dont think they're robots, and i dont think id like them to be either (honest bias shown)

if CotL are emotionless when they fell down, and it took spirits of ancestral, grown up CotL to give OUR CotL emotions, then who gave the ancestors emotion??

we know for certain that the skykid gains these feelings, and we know for certain they start off without feeling much (other than an insatiable desire to honk and commit arson)

but just because they start out empty that doesn't mean they couldnt have began to feel all of these things for themself over time

the ancestors teaching you how to express yourself, just helps you learn quicker about communication
if two children were born on an island and left there, yes they wouldnt know how to speak the language of their parent, but theyd eventually try to communicate with the other next to them, and i think it would be the same for the skykid too

the reason i think they became too content is because they got lost in the kingdom's ways; not genuine emotions

what they teach you, are genuine emotions, are beautiful expressions, giving you life, giving you a sense of humanity

to say distractions is why they became lost when they died by the Eye of Eden, just feels so confusing, when there were genuine, good people, only ever caring for others, and often helping others find their enlightenment so they can ascend

[frigid tinsel]

Personally I’m not a fan of the “skykids didn’t have emotions to start with” theory cos, as an autistic person who expresses emotion in an atypical way, the whole idea that if someone doesn’t express emotion in a way neurotypical people expect then they don’t have emotions at all has been used to vilify and speak over people like me (that’s not saying that’s what’s happening here but that is saying that’s where that line of thought has ended up) — but that’s getting real. Rather, I’m considering more that skykids always had emotions, just learned means to process & express them via reliving spirit memories (since I too have picked up means of expression that actually worked out for me by copying people). Just cos they look like blank slates doesn’t mean they are or ever were.

[abstract wasp]

Hi! So... Today I was still on a hunt for funny things, and I think I haven't seen this symbol else where (?)
But you guys help me out if this one means anything to you
(if you got a clue, cold pings are ok)

I tried to stick two images together the best I could hehe sorry if didn't turn out great

[hollow socket]

where's that?

[tulip aspen]

yeah i was thinking about noting that too

just because they CANT express (in the way others do) yet, that doesnt mean they dont FEEL emotions!!
I think it sounds so beautiful, it's like wanting to speak but not knowing the words, or wanting to dance but not knowing how you could, and someone takes your hand, or asks you to copy them, and you learn

it makes me smile thinking about it like that

[hushed steeple]

Im holding back on saying its another king head, just because it looks more like Forest mask, with the extra chunks on the sides.

[shut trellis]

THIS!! This was my theory too augh it would feel too empty if skykids never had emotions, awhy would they explore the sky world, they must feel curiously. running from krills from fear. making friends would make them happy, etc. Even if their emotions were shallow they had to feel at least a tiny bit! When they were first born there wasn't much sadness to go around though but the potential. is. there.

I guess they could be emotionless but its too disappointing to think about ngl

[shut trellis]

Forest mask is close enough to a king head.
Everything is a king head.

[compact shale]

To be fair, I don't really personally like the golem theory either

To answer your question, The Sky/Megabird gave the ancestors emotion but didn't give it to the skykids

Ah well, it was great while it lasted