lore-discussion-spoilers

[trim kernel]

I think it was sacrificed to summon an evil being (the painful spirit that moves around and you have to fly)

[proud hearth]

yea except when your flying above prairie village and the butterflies are huge

becuz they don't get smaller when u r far away lolll

[hushed steeple]

Unrelated theory that again could be wrong:

[proud hearth]

omg

woah

woah

oh shoot dead trees

its like the clouds remember

because water has memory

[hushed steeple]

B r o

B R O

[proud hearth]

im s o r r y

[hushed steeple]

NONONO

Don'tbe

I too watched that movie-

[short owl]

Sus that was a cool theory

You made it poof tho

[hushed steeple]

Soaboutthatsacrificialbirb-

I'llgocheckitout-

[short owl]

The one outside citadel or a new one?

[proud hearth]

its outside citadel

[hushed steeple]

Wait there's a new one?-

[short owl]

You're sus, you tell me

[hushed steeple]

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

[trim kernel]

NEW BERD SACRIFICE? or did the discussion change?

[hushed steeple]

I have no clue but carry on-

[kind pagoda]

WHERE NEW BORD?

[proud hearth]

I DONT KNOW

i am confusion

[hushed steeple]

VSISJSBKAKABAJSJSB

[short owl]

I don't know of any, sorru

[hushed steeple]

Ok so Imma just go check the birb I DO know of-

[proud hearth]

wanna bbq it?

[hushed steeple]

A h

[kind pagoda]

Yummy

[proud hearth]

yes y u m m y

[trim kernel]

I prefer the Sacrifice theory

[proud hearth]

yea lol

[hushed steeple]

But a sacrifice to what?

A ritual before flying races?

[proud hearth]

sacrifice to the elder spirits

[hushed steeple]

Jkjk

Krill

[kind pagoda]

It is on one of those spinny discs

[hushed steeple]

A h

[kind pagoda]

Like the globes

[proud hearth]

idk maybe for luck in the race

[kind pagoda]

Maybe it is megan

[hushed steeple]

O m l n o

[hushed steeple]

Wouldthatmeanmegabirbisaghostor-

[trim kernel]

SACRIFICE

[hushed steeple]

A h

[proud hearth]

yes sacrifice

[kind pagoda]

Megaborb is ghost

**b o o **

[trim kernel]

[hushed steeple]

It looks like it's upside-down 👀

[proud hearth]

its d e d

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

[kind pagoda]

Unless it is hugging the rock

[proud hearth]

right

[hushed steeple]

A fork tail...

[kind pagoda]

Swallow?

[proud hearth]

swallow

[hushed steeple]

reminds me of how we hug the white kid in the endgame.

...wait-

[kind pagoda]

It really looks like snow

[proud hearth]

wait

[kind pagoda]

wait

[proud hearth]

maybe it just needs a hug

[hushed steeple]

E h e

[kind pagoda]

🥺

[proud hearth]

also do u guys ever just wanna not hug the white kid

[hushed steeple]

I shall do that right now

[kind pagoda]

I have spammed the no emote at it

[hushed steeple]

A h y e s -

[kind pagoda]

[hushed steeple]

Never knew a dead bird's wing would be diving plank material

[kind pagoda]

But it still hugs me anyway and sends me off into the cycle of life and death again

Wait the orrery is sort of a study/training area right?

Diving board practice

[hushed steeple]

A h y e s

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

[hushed steeple]

H m m m m m

[kind pagoda]

H m m m

[hushed steeple]

"swallow represents a departed person's soul, and mythology also spoke of Gods who could transform themselves to take the form of a swallow."

.
.
.
H M M M M M M

[kind pagoda]

MEGAN

[hushed steeple]

A h y e s

[kind pagoda]

What do they study at the orrery, the solar system?

[hushed steeple]

Idk mayt-

Lemme snoop around more

First thing's first:

Whatbirbspeciescouldthesebe¿

[kind pagoda]

paper bird

jet

small fighter jet

[hushed steeple]

Seems about right

Guess the devs took "high ground" a bit too seriously

[kind pagoda]

Both of the spirits in the citadel are like training for the races

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

Wait lemme relive their memories for a bit

[kind pagoda]

The big golden spheres represent the sky solar system

The big one is prob sky land

And then the 3 moons/ stars

[hushed steeple]

O h h h h

[hushed steeple]

That- actually feels more fitting

[proud hearth]

honestly yea

[hushed steeple]

Just noticed these manta wings got slits on the ends like our capes

[kind pagoda]

But the spirits there are running around prepping for races

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

Maybe the backflipping boi is a hint that the flying races involve them riding mantas?

Idkk

[kind pagoda]

I think that the races were judged on speed and fancy tricks like the ice skater from dreams

[hushed steeple]

H m m m m

Thing is, I'm pretty sure that's how ice skating IS judged

[proud hearth]

lollll hehe

[kind pagoda]

Yeah i think so

But the racing spirits were all doing fancy tricks too

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps it gives you bonus points

[kind pagoda]

Maybe

[proud hearth]

or

[hushed steeple]

?

[proud hearth]

wait maybe they tried to get as many light things as possible

u know the lights in the races

that u collect

[kind pagoda]

What even happens if you collect them all

[proud hearth]

nothing

i tried

lolllll

[kind pagoda]

Ah

[proud hearth]

i mean i think i got them all

maybe u should look it up

[kind pagoda]

So maybe they are just for those ancient spirits

[hushed steeple]

About those lights you collect

There were those placed on ruins right-

[proud hearth]

right

[kind pagoda]

What ruins?

[proud hearth]

the broken temples and such

[hushed steeple]

Doesthatmeanthelightsaren'texponetialtothefall?-

[proud hearth]

exponential to the fall?

[hushed steeple]

Either that, or those "ruins" were actually a race theme

[kind pagoda]

Also the light fragments look like when you lose light

Maybe the races were a once in a lifetime thing for spirits to get capes

[hushed steeple]

It's- hard to explain

[hushed steeple]

N a n i

Hmmm

[proud hearth]

hmmmm

so like if you win the race u get a cape?

so thats why some of the spirits have capes and others do not?

[kind pagoda]

Actually that doesn't make sense since the spirits from other realms have capes

Actually yeah

[proud hearth]

right but maybe they have means to travel

[hushed steeple]

B o a t s

[kind pagoda]

Valley is the most populated realm

[proud hearth]

like how we unlocked the realms in our first playthrough

[kind pagoda]

Like the capital

[proud hearth]

actually

i think maybe eden was the capitol?

[hushed steeple]

About that...

[proud hearth]

but it died

[kind pagoda]

Also, there aren't many capes in the first two realms

[proud hearth]

or somethin

yea cuz isle is a desert and prarie folks are happy with their butterflies

[kind pagoda]

So maybe that was how they got capes, and the closer realms spirits traveled there more

[proud hearth]

yeaaaa

[proud hearth]

weeeee

[kind pagoda]

Yup

[proud hearth]

z o o m

[hushed steeple]

Yep. T h a t ' s a l o t o f p e o p l e

[kind pagoda]

I wish we could fly up there

[proud hearth]

awww i have to go now friends

cya guys!

[kind pagoda]

Also there were a lot more spirits that we don't know about

Civilians

[proud hearth]

have fun lore-ing

[kind pagoda]

Bye bye!

Yeah, i need to go sneep

I think we only see the most important spirits to the overall story

Not the background spirits

Anyway baiii

[hushed steeple]

I'm panicking right now, so here's a braindead question to distract myself

-"20/20" what?

[old oak]

@tough marten Hi, sorry for the late response. The boat in Isle is underneath the first stair platform (bad description) it's that first big rock thing that juts out, it has a pillar in front of it I think, also there is some stuff that will appear on the side of it. The big thing that you have to pass if you went straight from the entrance to the seasonal area in isle, you'd fly right over it. Okay, I'm in overkill now. The boat is under that thing

20/20 Winged Light

[hushed steeple]

O h h h

Wait

Normally, spirit gates need a certain amount of Spirit memories relived. But the Eden gate required WL?

S e e m s r e a l l y s u s

[old oak]

Well, as a moth, it wouldn't make much sense for someone with no winged lights to go into Eden

[hushed steeple]

O h r i g h t -

[old oak]

Oh @tough marten if you'd like, I can post a short clip of exactly what I mean

[tough marten]

it's fine i understood, but it would still help if you show me

[hushed steeple]

I guess my panicking has even affected my logic

[cloud bolt]

Also spirit gates have to be a “new” thing

since we know ancestors weren’t ancestors until the age of skids

[old oak]

Wait, hm, are the posting of manipulation of game mechanics, while not inherently glitches, allowed in the chat room?

I know TGC is against it

[tender dune]

I feel like they added the gates to avoid new players from getting lost tbh imagine running in praire lost cuz all gates are open

[tender dune]

"Talking about hacks or hackers will get you muted. Please respect TGC’s work" - mirian in the pins

[cloud bolt]

yeah, gameplay wise, but it’s interesting to think about the lore of spirit gates

[tender dune]

If you mean oobs then its fine

But hacked stuff is a nono

[old oak]

It is an oob that requires the illustrious Chibi Fall, is that considered a hack?

[tender dune]

Nah its not

[old oak]

Neat!

[tender dune]

Its a normal oob then xD

[old oak]

Wicked!

@tough marten It’s very easy to find, though it’s not@much

[tender dune]

You can

[quiet crystal]

Just wondering, what are the trees in Vault made of? Light? Just the memories of the trees (did that make sense?)? Idk hehe

Also this chat is not active hehe

[gray timber]

ded trees?

[polar pivot]

the people in q/a told me to go away so i come here instead to ask you why the dreams girl has fingers

no other spirit, not even the others from dreams, have fingers

skids do not have fingers

why does she have fingers

[jagged compass]

@polar pivot some travelling spirits do have fingers

Someone documented that

104 or something spirits

[polar pivot]

what the hell

why does this go deeper

[hushed steeple]

Hmm...what's really sus is that they're SOLID trees you don't phase through

[hushed steeple]

Whydidtheytellyoutogoawaythat'smean-

[gray timber]

they don't have leaves so they might be ded

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

[hushed steeple]

But even the murals imply the trees never had leaves

Just clouds

Idk mayt-

[polar pivot]

ehh its all jokey its alright

[hushed steeple]

O k t h e n -

[gray timber]

okay but there are no clouds so the tree is still dead
i think

[hushed steeple]

Welp idk either

All theories and interpretations are welcome here tho!

Sorry if I sounded dismissive-

[graceful osprey]

I think all creatures don't mate, I think they only rebirth instead. Which is why I think krill get uncorrupted and rebirth as the elder light creatures.

[graceful osprey]

what if thats the bird that the birds need to absorb to ascend. Maybe its the bird prince/king, if you follow the theory that the kid we hug is the prince. Or maybe it was the light that had left the king/prince and had been reborn as a swallow, which has been killed for some reason

[hushed steeple]

H m m m m m

[tender dune]

Vault is a very mysterious realm and most of us theorize (based on observations and the canon document) that vault is a hologram/dream. (According to canon doc) Each level represents a realm [so the realm with trees/polite spirit represents forest realm].

[tender dune]

Smol thing from the canon doc. The creatures of sky mostly just appear from clouds/other places (best example is sanctuary and praire village when you summon the mantas they appear from clouds). Jellyfish appeared from water meanwhile krills emerged from the ooze.

But its fun to think about how and if the creatures do in fact mate / grow up especially since sanctuary has so many different mantas

[slate saffron]

I like to think of the whales and mantas and being a different kind of light creature from the birds and butterflies

[tender dune]

Same

[trail oyster]

me too,

also, can we talk about how the animals just levitate in the air?

the mantas don't appear to flap

[gray timber]

I guess kreb is the only land creature

[trail oyster]

and the fact that we jump, but take so long to land

probably suggests a lower gravity

[tender dune]

Thing is, do you think we are in earth?

[trail oyster]

but, like, how does our cape keep its shape?

[slate saffron]

everything in sky floats

[trail oyster]

no.

if you've ever seen sky cosplay the capes look all floppy

[slate saffron]

WAIT A MINUTE I GOT SOMETHING FOR THIS HOLD ON

[tender dune]

Low gravity is def a thing in sky 👌

[trail oyster]

so i think the cape is an actual oart of our body

because we are able to flap it, without moving it with our hands or stuff

[tender dune]

It also moves and stuff (when we do emotes/ stances). Kinda like an animals tail

Its the part that was given to us by the winged light. Without it we're just capeless

[slate saffron]

FOUND IT

[trail oyster]

in order to make it more powerful, we can use these winged lights. winged lights are in the shape of cotl, so i'm guessing that may have been their origin. so we are using the light that previous cotls dropped, in order to make ourselves more powerful using the power produced by our own species

[gray timber]

then how do we change it?

[tender dune]

Ah yeah its an old concept

[trail oyster]

we can jump, but not as high, and most of all we are powerless

[slate saffron]

But there isn't anything saying that it isn't true

[trail oyster]

and when we get hit by rocks, we don't get bruises or anything, but our cape gets damaged, so the cape is most likely a vital organ of some sort because in ||eden|| we ultimately die due to the lack of winged lights

[slate saffron]

I think it might be because they sky kids are more.... artificial then organic

Like golems!

Sorta

[gray timber]

But how does changing capes work?

[trail oyster]

except with light

[gray timber]

like the office golem?

[slate saffron]

Like IRL mythology golems!

[gray timber]

cool

[tender dune]

Ngl i do enjoy the "old concepts" even though some are scrapped because some of them still make sense in my theories

[gray timber]

I once again ask how does changing capes work

[slate saffron]

I think the cape is just a cape

[tender dune]

I think they're like changing clothes

[trail oyster]

i guess perhaps it would be made of material similar to a cuttlefish that changes color, however i guess the default color is brown, and when we actually buy capes, we're really just learning how to change the colour of it

[gray timber]

what about seasonal capes?

[tender dune]

^that is a nice theory as well

[slate saffron]

But we can also see that the capes are separate! unless the collar piece of a sky-kid's clothing is actually something organic

[gray timber]

so... it's kinda like a prosthetic/robotic limb?

[tender dune]

This is how sky looks like when u look down while going to orbit(lowkey i feel like its a big laputa hh)

[trail oyster]

im not sure i'll have to have a think about that one. apparently squids can change colour and shape, so perhaps the cape is, like, a squid body part or something. but this would fit in nicely with all the other sea creatures (fish, manta, the whales, the krill, the crabs)

[tender dune]

Like how an octopus changes its texture/color?

[trail oyster]

yeah ig

[gray timber]

what about the winged light thing?

[trail oyster]

and the movement of our capes are similar to how an octopus swims with its tentacles

[slate saffron]

But the capes have different densities, sizes, materials, etc that wouldn't be possible if sky kids were just changing their cape's color!

[trail oyster]

i'm not clear about my octopus idea, however octopuses will occasionally eat their own kind, but this is kind of dark so i might scrap this idea

[gray timber]

wait what

[slate saffron]

(Photos to compare some capes)

[trail oyster]

yeah good point

[tender dune]

Without winged light we're capeless. The winged light gives us the cape as a kind of power so that we are able to fly, i do believe that capes and pants are like normal material and are changeable like human clothes. All that a wing light does is give us the ability to fly, so i do believe we are able to change it if we want to just theorizing

So i don't believe that once we're given the that we can't remove it xD

[slate saffron]

I mean who would want to remove such a comfy cape

They look super comfy!

[trail oyster]

yeah i'm beginning to feel that capes are probably normal clothes but it's the light that makes them move not us

[slate saffron]

Now onto more important topics!

Are there light sheep?

[gray timber]

I still think it's a sort of prosthetic

[gray timber]

y

[tender dune]

That's what I've always been curious about. If there are actual "earth like" animals. Because i don't think the spirits (when they were alive) used to just live off the crops / birds / crabs

[trail oyster]

because the winged lights look like cotl they might be the fragments of their souls, so that would explain why the capes are able to detect what expression we're using and move in sync with us. the winged lights probablyy aren't acually in the actual cape, but they probablyy hover a bit and attract light, and when you run out of light you can't flap your cape because you don't have the light required to flap it, and when you stand near the light source these winged lights that hover over your cape absorb light

[trail oyster]

yeah what would the mantas eat?

krills eat mantas, lol, and skids

[tender dune]

In my theory i doubt skids actually eat but its fun to see how diff people see skids

[trail oyster]

no we can live off photons

[slate saffron]

I think the mantas are like irl mantas in terms of food!

[trail oyster]

i mean, maybe we photosynthesise

[trail oyster]

they eat...fish?

i mean, that would explain the lack of fish

[slate saffron]

They spend a good chunk of their life in the sea in-game

[trail oyster]

wait they do?

i wonder what tgc would say about this lol

[slate saffron]

Based on the season of sanctuary

I think

[tender dune]

Spirits did have memories of them eating

• Enchantment playfight (mushrooms)
  -Enchantment scare (crops)
• birdnest in praire
• belonging? Season - dinner table in sunny forest
• Crab bbq pit in GW

[trail oyster]

oh yeah and they only come out after we fulfil the wishes

[tender dune]

Yeah the bells call upon them and they emerge from either water or clouds

[trail oyster]

perhaps we're just a different species. we look totally different and smaller

speaking of which, what happens when five players do the angry thingyy to the bells?

i've always been curious

[tender dune]

Nothing happens

[trail oyster]

oh

why would the game do that....

[gray timber]

but we came from the sky and the stargazer girl proves it

[trail oyster]

we're stars.....

[tender dune]

So we have fun ringing the bells

[trail oyster]

....ok? so they're fueled by our anger. lovely

stress balls

take out all ur stress on the bells

but y tho

...

[gray timber]

coz y e s

[trail oyster]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

/tableback

whoops

[graceful osprey]

i think someone has later said that the kingdom of sky was not connected to the human world at all. i cannot be sure

[trail oyster]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[trail oyster]

that would make sense and explain the floating islands

hold on, have any of you watched avatar? you know the floating islands? what was it that made them float again?

[tender dune]

In my theory. I do believe that the child we see in that isn't us, but the first Child of light that we see. Who they (the elders) ended up using using as a way to get the 4 elements (long explanation that I'll cut short) in which that child ends up becoming the prince that we know [from the last mural]

[slate saffron]

[tender dune]

Some islands float normally in sky (probs cuz of weight / gravity) and some buildings / structures actually float by the use of power diamonds (best example if you look at the bottom of the floating bridges like in forest / floating buildings in valley race)

[trail oyster]

ok so i researched and its something to do with magnetic fields

and the floating islands are suspended over the sea

or

[slate saffron]

[trail oyster]

the earth beneath them is blocked by the clouds

we can't swim underwater to see if there's a hole in the ground

nor can we fly through the clouds

so i'm not sure about this

in the sanctuary islands, some of the islands have holes in them. bear in mind that the main island in the middle has tunnels

segments of tunnels perhaps?

[tender dune]

I'll see u on some other day cuz I dunno when i come back here have fun theorizing

[trail oyster]

and also, we can find the bell in the main island as well as the floating island

[trail oyster]

ok bye

which suggests perhaps the bells were knocked out first before the islands rose up, but....

i gotta think about this

[willow shoal]

[true grove]

Another huge gate

There are big white candles on each of these pillars

[versed shuttle]

If i may
The concept art for one of the realms connected it to the human world

Like there were buildings and then they led into the world of sky

Ill find the post

Found it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCmmjIdDgjF/?igshid=z43496yqfr4g

[magic gust]

The one with like the skyscrapers?

[rose flicker]

Random thought

Like, I noticed that the 'Welcome Spirit' memory somehow ended up with him being at the isle temple. Which confused me as to how exactly was he able to go up there when there's no platform to support him. So i speculated that maybe the bridge (the one which we fly up from cut off suddenly at the cloud part) was built in to connect the temple from land. This enabled spirits to visit and maybe worship the elder? (Sbwbshwb) . But somehow after a while somebody decided to cut it off for what i think of 2 reasons

1. In order for the spirits to not be able to transfer from one realm at a time
2. Or maybe they cut it off because they knew skykids were going to have to practice and master the concept of flying, they couldnt transfer to the next realms without the obvious use of flying (also to give them a clearer picture how useful winged lights are to them)

Daz all ^^

[magic gust]

Or it's because of the wasteland war

And they basically made it so that the enemies can't get a foothold

[rose flicker]

👀

[magic gust]

It is possible

[rose flicker]

Hm

[magic gust]

Since it is a viable form of area denial

[rose flicker]

O h y e

[magic gust]

Look at semi-modern conflicts

If I recall correctly, the USAF blew up a symbolic bridge in the vietnam war to stop supplies going across the chinese-North vietnamese border

[rose flicker]

i see i see

[magic gust]

So it is established that blowing up bridges can be a form of area denial

Also, it will make it more time consuming for the enemy to chase you if you withdraw

Look at it, if you withdraw after blowing the bridge up and only setting up a small garrison

You gain time which can be used to reinforce the place you now are in

Aka the fallback point

[rose flicker]

u smort

[magic gust]

Since the enemy will have to rebuild the bridge, under enemy fire, then cross it, while simultaneously duking it out with the garrison

And that garrison will alert the main force in the fallback point of a possible breakthrough

This will result in either reinforcements being sent if it is a vital gateway

Or an advance to the bridge aiming to destroy the bridge again, then a fighting retreat

Or if they did those and still have manpower to hold the garrison, just wait for resupply and basically block the force there until the order to retreat is given, a reinforcing army arrives, or the enemies find another way through ala thermopylae

In normal terms, they blocked the enemy advance by making the bridge a costly chokepoint to cross

And rebuild

Also, the skyboats will just get tied up in a lepanto-style battle in the first stages

[rose flicker]

anotha thing

Im also a bit curious whats strong enough to actually break it

[magic gust]

So no crossing over the garrison

[magic gust]

Either light shenanigans or weight

Or the bridge

Is actually a rope bridge

[rose flicker]

light shenanigans?

[magic gust]

Yes

The light side of sky is a pathway to many abilities many consider to be... Unnatural.

Like that theory that the ancestor spears can also shoot beams of light ala mon calamari

Spear things

[rose flicker]

ooH

[magic gust]

So it is possible they cut it via those same spears

Just beams of weaponized light

Cutting through the bridge

[rose flicker]

this might explain those few ruins you see buried around the sand a lil bit

[magic gust]

Yep

[rose flicker]

i duno

[magic gust]

Also we (I mean some lorers, with me reinforcing points, and pointing out flaws and tactics) have a theory where basically sky before the war is equivalent to basically an advanced society with 16th-17th century primitively advanced tech

Credits to the ones who actually made it

[wicked plover]

Advanced spears and circular shields?

[magic gust]

Yes

[wicked plover]

Afaik, by 17th century there were already hand cannons, what if the spears fired candle fires like handcannons

[magic gust]

Well, the theory has similar guns like that

But instead of that

It's literal light muskets

Aka musket-type weaponry that can shoot light

Or the spears

[wicked plover]

Ooooooooh, cool muskets

With socket bayonets?

[magic gust]

It's either that or the spear-light gun things

[magic gust]

Possible

[wicked plover]

After all, spears that go boom is the most effective in 17th century

[magic gust]

Yes

But prolly much more compact

Like the formations

Because unlike cannons that can shoot shrapnel, you have light cannons

So a possible shield wall with light-dissipating shields?

[wicked plover]

Sounds great

[magic gust]

Just have the opening ranks fire

And the first ranks move

Before firing

Basically, phalanx

Then, after pre-ordered distance

[wicked plover]

Phalanx with more boom

[rose flicker]

OoH

[magic gust]

First rank spaces out, second rank moves forward, fires, steps back, spaces out, third ranks fire, go back and space out, rinse and repeat

Or, they just have their own volley blocks

[wicked plover]

About the front lines, do they just point their rotellas and spears fire and hold their ground

[magic gust]

While like the spearmen have their own phalanxes

[modest ermine]

Hey, uh, with the bridges, do you think it's also possible to deny access by removing keystones from the bridge so it collapses under stress
if the enemy advances over it i mean

[magic gust]

As in, fire, and not move?

[wicked plover]

Yes, that is if the enemy is the one charging

[magic gust]

Well, unless you want a massive line battle with no depth no

It is possible they went with volley fire

With blocks of men

And a shield wall in front

Then, enemy gets closer

Arrange formation into phalanx

Then meet headon

[wicked plover]

Like, moving covers? The shield wall better have any form of ear protection cuz guns are loud

[magic gust]

Also, possible that shields are planted into the ground before firing, or they have their shields as mounts for guns

[magic gust]

Well, yes, but instead of a bang, the sound's gonna be the air sizziling around the beam

[wicked plover]

Yeah, candle fires dont sound as loud as fast moving pommel ball cartridge

[magic gust]

Yeah

[magic gust]

Ah yes, pommel

We had some memes about that in a server on a different game platform

[wicked plover]

End them rightly

||Musket balls are just minimized and powder'd pommels||

[magic gust]

Basically archer versus chad pommel machinegun

Just throw them with mana lel

[wicked plover]

LoL

The shield walls possibly have 1 ammo each or more so their mounting may make sense

[magic gust]

If you think about it, minie balls look like pommels

Kinda

[wicked plover]

||Minie ball injuries are nasty, thats why American civil war was the deadliest||

[magic gust]

Yes

[magic gust]

Yeah

Just fire, possibly do the space out thing and plant the shields on the ground while reloading

Or you know

Charging

The ranged weapon

[wicked plover]

Circular shields are the jack of all trades of shields, inbetween a tall tower shield like the scutum Romanum or the small bucklers

[magic gust]

Their mobility must suck though

If they have to lug all that weight

[wicked plover]

They seem big and strong for that

[magic gust]

Armor, shots, shields, and the spear/musket, and yes, probably superhuman potion lel

[wicked plover]

But man, look at the Wasteland elder's hands, they big compared to what might be an average soldier

[magic gust]

Imagine the chibifying potion thing but it makes you bigger and more B U F F .

[wicked plover]

Yes

[magic gust]

That actually coincides with pyre's theory

[wicked plover]

At some point, armor became such great quality that shields were ditched for 2 handed greatswords and polearms, but it seems these soldiers rely on thick clothing like a gambeson armor

[magic gust]

Of the sky armies using potions and heavy infantry

[magic gust]

Yeah

Or fighting became long range

And incredibly short range

It's either maneuver fire or close range knife fights

[wicked plover]

Yes, looks like outside the walls of the battlefield, it was long range then it got messy inside or smth

[magic gust]

Remember, those superhuman potions can make them stronger and prolly faster

As pyre said, kinda like unarmored 40k space marines

Or something like that

[hushed steeple]

*prays reading some new lore will stop me from crying any more

[wicked plover]

All have steel masks but their armor looks like cheap gambeson

[magic gust]

Yeah

Or some sort of light-reinforced clothing

[wicked plover]

That too

[magic gust]

Are you ok Emi?

[wicked plover]

Were there any heater shields around or is it all circular shields

[magic gust]

Never got to golden wasteland yet because of school

But I assume yes

[wicked plover]

I'm pretty lazy, ngl

[hushed steeple]

Don'tmindmejustkeeploringya'll- :'^)

[magic gust]

Well, friends are a priority

[hushed steeple]

This is a lore chat

Therefore, lore is the priority

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

[magic gust]

So if you ever need a helping hand, I'm here, our other friends are just one app away, and you could vent in the other server

[hushed steeple]

BSJSKAJANKAKANSNSJ

A n y w a y s -

[magic gust]

Right, if you say so

[wicked plover]

The shields look metallic so thats extra weight for the protection

[magic gust]

But remember, we're here to help, even if we're not trained psychologists or something

[hushed steeple]

O k o k

[magic gust]

Wait a second

[hushed steeple]

S o a b o u t t h o s e s h i e l d s -

[magic gust]

Or made of light but strong alloy

[wicked plover]

Thats way better

[magic gust]

Yeah

I imagine something like 2202 (is that the right number lel) aluminum alloy but a lot more durable

And stronger

[wicked plover]

Judging by how the Wasteland elder holds the shield, it looks like its those strapped ones

[magic gust]

If you don't know the alloy, it's aircraft aluminum

[wicked plover]

Doesnt have a centered boss either so thats another

[magic gust]

So it's pretty darned strong

[wicked plover]

Oooooooooh

[distant turtle]

Wasteland is cool because of how little we can learn about what happened

[magic gust]

Convert that to an equivalent but with better strength

Yeah

Metal's good

[wicked plover]

Strapped shields have advantages and disadvantages

Advantages being that they're easier to carry than centered boss shields

But you gotta bend your arms to protect your body

So they feel like they're worn, like massive gauntlets

[magic gust]

Interesting

[distant turtle]

It's not clear who the different sides were, if krill were part of the war or are more like buzzards

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

About those shields tho

[wicked plover]

Yep, I cant tell who fought who, its a mess

[hushed steeple]

Lemme get a pic

[magic gust]

I'm more concerned about tactics, strategy, and tech 1400 up, and I have more knowledge in weaponry 1900 up I guees

Though I can list some weapons below that era of time so yes

[wicked plover]

Hmmm, cool, I lack strategy but weapons and armor are my thing

[hushed steeple]

They got no handles.

Oz said they were held via telekinesis

[magic gust]

It is possible that it is a primitivist or traditionalist group or faction

[hushed steeple]

Idk what to contribute

[wicked plover]

Cant tell either, but I prefer traditionalist, doesnt mean they are

[magic gust]

Lel, I had to learn tactics and strategy because of a Nation roleplaying game

[distant turtle]

I see mounts for straps. The straps are probably burned away

[wicked plover]

Telekinesis, cool

[magic gust]

Ended up pretty brutal for my class at the Nation RP game, but back on topic

[wicked plover]

Those spear tips are massive, probably feels like a sharp sledgehammer, you'd feel it even with armor

[magic gust]

Yes, so possible brute force

I can already see their tactics

Wanna hear?

[wicked plover]

Sure

Before that

Blunt force ignores armor unlike cuts

Continue

[magic gust]

Basically, after discharging ranged weaponry, they will arrange into phalanxes, and basically jog to the enemy, picking up speed, then basically using their momentum, strength, and speed to attack the front ranks akin to a sledgehammer

Or a battering ram

[wicked plover]

Yes, sharp battering rams and sledgehammers

[magic gust]

Then, they will use lighter skirmishers

To attack the enemy phalanx's weak flank

Which is the side which has little to no shields

Which is the right side

Since most troopers are prolly right-handed

So they carry shields at the left arm

[limpid basin]

And yet a trace of the true self
Prince -> WL
Exists in the false self
WL -> Skids
Am I doing this right

[magic gust]

So, light skirmishers will either whittle down enemy forces from the right, or split it down the middle while the main phalanx forces front ranks to fight

[graceful osprey]

well yes, that was the case for the concepts, but i think it was confirmed not to be part of the human world afterwards

[wicked plover]

The light skirmishers attack the distracted behind?

[magic gust]

After that, skirmishers do a delaying action against the rear ranks

[magic gust]

Possible

And the main skirmisher force will act as the anvil

To the phalanx hammer

Also, another force of skirmishers may attack rearguard

And further compress enemy phalanx

After front ranks get crushed, the forces of main phalanx plus skirmishers plus possible rearguard flankers equals a crush for the remaining troop

Or, the skirmishers can just do the simpler thing and attack rearguard

After phalanx contact

[wicked plover]

Rip enemy phalanx if they think their shield walls are forever

[magic gust]

Yes

They'll get blindsided

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

[magic gust]

So most battles will be maneuver battles

[hushed steeple]

Oh right

Remember the wasteland elder cutscene?

[wicked plover]

Heavy and light arent better than the other, they cooperate like here, I guess

[magic gust]

But the thing is, phalanxes are slow to turn

[wicked plover]

What about it?

[magic gust]

Skirmishers might get a shot off but they need to retreat

Or attempt a charge

[hushed steeple]

Zie also seemed to have used telekinesis to make the shield come to ziem and attach to zier glove/hand

Remember?

[lone wigeon]

hello its been a while uh
I know ya'll discussing your topics, I dont want to change it and cut in your convos so imma just drop something here
in #seasons-events-chat we were talking about the bird before the flying race
it looks dead, ofc, but someone said it looks like it was sacrificed, and maybe, just maybe there is something to it, like uh... megabird is well.. mega bird? dead bird? I kinda see the small connection here
thats it, carry on loring

[hushed steeple]

Idk

[magic gust]

Sacrifice to megabird

Is possible, it looks like their god, therefore it is a pretender

[wicked plover]

Attach like a magnet or strap?

[hushed steeple]

Hmm

[magic gust]

Magnetic runes

[hushed steeple]

A h y e s

[magic gust]

Can be possible

So that

[wicked plover]

I'm kinda waiting for a top helmet or atleast a hat that fits the armor look of the warrior's mask

[hushed steeple]

So that...?

[magic gust]

Continue

[magic gust]

Yeah

[hushed steeple]

In a way

[magic gust]

Also, lepanto-style skyboat warfare might be possible

[wicked plover]

Battle of Lepanto

[magic gust]

Just light cannons and beam-spears firing at each other, in close range jam-packed battles

[wicked plover]

Greek fires

[magic gust]

Also, possible boarding and ramming actions

[magic gust]

Yes

But light powered

So even more awesome, destructive, and epicc

[wicked plover]

Ah yes, burning battleships

[magic gust]

Yes

Well more like galleys

And galleasses

[wicked plover]

Oh yeah and, fire + wood doesnt go too well

[magic gust]

Possibly sky carracks lel

[wicked plover]

Wait, are ships still wooden in Lepanto

Yeah they are, goodbye to your ship when the beam spears fire all at once

[magic gust]

Yes

Metal ships didn't exist until middle 1800s

And the first ironclads, or at least the concept, existed before the Civil war at least

[wicked plover]

Unless if the ships on Sky arent wood then you're kinda safe, but fire still spreads

[magic gust]

I think they're some kind of stone

The small ships anyway

[wicked plover]

Yeah stone, looks like it

[magic gust]

Even so, the beams will cut through stone

[wicked plover]

And fires make steel hot and still spread so your best bet is luck and firing back before them

[magic gust]

The only unique thing about stone is its not as flammable, it's better for ramming because weight, and they drop like a brick once out of power or robbed of levitation light

Or their power diamonds get destroyed

[wicked plover]

I gotta play Sky, cya someday

[magic gust]

Farewell then

Safe travels and ventures, Wanderer.

[hushed steeple]

A h y e s

[wicked plover]

Likewise

[fierce torrent]

why do we have maskS

[scenic hedge]

The masks are symbolic I think

like the capes

They represent that skykids are half human and half light creature

[teal prairie]

Who created Skybot?

[short owl]

I believe Mod Alex is the BotDad.

[fierce torrent]

i figured

also, is it just me who realized that when we have the masks on we blink, implying our eyes are open- but with the no mask cosmetic they're closed

[pastel brook]

What Skybot

[true grove]

👀

[fierce torrent]

👁️

[ivory heath]

what happened here

[rose gorge]

it’s a dead bird

[ivory heath]

[rose gorge]

I think I’ve seen some theories it’s a sacrifice/trophy

[tender dune]

its a beta leftover quest, something about meditating before the bird and it somehow comes to life

[scenic hedge]

Yeah

It’s just a momento

Plus a reference to the cities name

in Japanese atlease

[wicked plover]

Would've been lovely to see it come back to life

[fierce torrent]

Lol "welcome to b i r d"

[ruby cosmos]

My favorite city in sky is B i r d.

[plain turtle]

lmao

[silk stag]

There's two staff on the yeti cave

[clear lynx]

Hes a wizard

[lethal stump]

we see in the laughing lightcatcher memory, those staffs are used to collect light that falls from birds

[silk stag]

Eh light :0?

[livid valley]

You can see it on prarie

It's near the 8 door thing idk

[silk stag]

Ooh okie

[lethal stump]

balls of light, they collect balls of light

similar to the ones we see flying around in "catch the light" quests except they're white, not yellow

[willow shoal]

[fierce torrent]

The spirits are white-ish

So is everything in their memories

So I meann :pSquint: :pinched_fingers:

[hushed steeple]

Who is the prince? I see him mentioned occasionally when I look in here but I don't know what he did and how important he is to lore 👀

[fierce torrent]

🤌

[supple sluice]

Wrong channel

Sorry

[graceful osprey]

he is very important

who he actually has actually been debated a lot, but mostly we think that he was the child of light who succeeded in all trials

[dense meteor]

Hey, has anyone noticed that when we fly and you see our shadow you only see your body and not the cape

[graceful osprey]

they say that it is made of light, which is why it casts no shadow

[sly kestrel]

It’s also a technical issue and would cause unnecessary lag if they added a mechanic for cape shadows

[graceful osprey]

yes

but lets not use "game mechanics" as an easy excuse for a way that something works/looks

[dense meteor]

Yeah the made out of light makes more sense

[graceful osprey]

actually it doesnt make more sense than ricekrispy's theory. i was just saying it was a bit lazy to say anything is caused by technical/performance issues, or game mechanics

[pastel brook]

wait who are we talking about?

[stark marten]

It's not really laziness, sometimes it's just the truth. But it's also fine to come up with lore explanations that cover it up

[lethal stump]

a bit late, but the prince is explained in here, as well as the king and megabird !

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[short owl]

What if casting a shadow legitimately slows creatures down during flight?

When we flap, we release lil sparks, suggesting that we need to release light to fly

But the part of ourselves that absorbs light can cast a shadow

And can't fly

[fierce torrent]

So the actual abduction of glowing children to make ourselves stronger and cape regeneration due to b u r n i n g w a x wasn't enough to make this conclusion, h u h?
(This is a joke- nice observation)

[azure pebble]

hi

[fierce torrent]

H i

[west bronze]

|| has anyone noticed that in the final gate in orbit the " background " in the white font maybe is the old prairie ( from pre-global ? ) . I don't know if i'm correct but if anyone noticed and done research on it i'd like to learn more ! ||

[sly kestrel]

No need for spoiler tags in this channel

actually it doesnt make more sense than ricekrispy's theory. i was just saying it was a bit lazy to say anything is caused by technical/performance issues, or game mechanics
@graceful osprey oh it wasn’t a theory, several devs have confirmed that it was a technical thing but like sojo said earlier, it is better to fit a lore related topic into that issue like capes being made of light

[scenic surge]

Been searching all the mentions on this bird situation out front of citadel... But I dont see an explanation. Is it still a mystery?

[graceful osprey]

oop I worded it wrong. yeah i meant what you said. it was said in one of the pinned messages of this channels

[hushed steeple]

It starts here

[sage bluff]

i have a theory that maybe they were sacrificing animals to get infinite light source (the diamond rock big thing in eden) and in the end used a sky kid who caused the eden realm to break

as a sky kid you get wing lights which will allow you to access eden but I'm looking at wing lights as something you can "access" eden with, so normal spirits wouldn't but you can

the isle elder's mask is broken as well so I'm guessing he mightve tried to stop the other elders but got hurt when the sacrifice has already been made

and if we compare sky to real life, wasteland would be a dump for the project, vault is like a knowledge thing, where they knew how to do the sacrifials and eden was the place for experiment

[rapid juniper]

Well actaully forest and gw are diamond factory and they use creatures light to make more dimond its been discussed here sometimes

[cold steppe]

yeah, there's a lot of theories floating around about it

always interesting to hear new takes on it

especially since the lore is left so ambiguous

[pseudo heart]

Ah yes manta juicer

[magic gust]

Ah yes

[willow shoal]

[heady sequoia]

hmm makes sense

[gray timber]

j u i c e t h e m a n t a

[sly kestrel]

Well actaully forest and gw are diamond factory and they use creatures light to make more dimond its been discussed here sometimes
@/rizelramiscal#6252
Still? All these years and the power diamond theory still stands

Well...1 and a half years
But still

[cold steppe]

but Jay is there a better theory

[fierce torrent]

The real question is

Where's the next one

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if all butterflies we see everywhere were made by the ancestors.

If I remember correctly, Prairie's elder takes light and creates one, then puts it in the container we see all over the realms.

Also I noticed that harmless crabs in office don't have lil dark spots in them. So maybe, the other crebs were corrupted by darkness

[magic gust]

Or that's the embers of light that remained if an ancestor died

or that's literally sentient light

[hushed steeple]

Ooh I see

[wispy parcel]

Why exactly do we wear masks?

and when we take them off, our eyes stop glowing

[lethal stump]

there's no canon reason afaik, you're free to make up your own

[rapid juniper]

Well I think for me it gives us glowy eyes but it depends on the masks you wear like the gratitude bunny mask and the chicken mask

[wispy parcel]

There’s a chicken mask?

[normal berry]

I think they are referring to one of the rhythm or dream masks?

[wispy parcel]

The mask from the Dream guide is a Phoenix

....Not a chicken 🐓

[somber swallow]

i fully support the phoenix mask being changed into chicken mask

[gilded spoke]

no please

[rapid juniper]

Teh chicken mask from spinny spirt

[gilded spoke]

its a quail and i can understand

[wispy parcel]

That’s a quail

[rapid juniper]

Lmao ok

[gilded spoke]

when i first seen the poster of the season of dreams
i thought the quail girl was dog

[wispy parcel]

I like the quail mask
But i want the Phoenix cape more, which means I’ll have to get the Phoenix mask first

— a dog?

🐶

[steel sage]

uh

[slate saffron]

They might be naturally occurring! It's just possible that the ancestors can also induce their creation

[wicked plover]

Do sky kids just not need open eyes to see or something

I still question cuz they definitely move like they're seeing, not according to echolocation

[proud hearth]

they feel the light of everything

[wicked plover]

Fair enough

[proud hearth]

that was super random lol

[wicked plover]

Lol

[proud hearth]

but like, technically, if the capes are made of light

technically, it's not solid

so technically, u shouldn't be able to see them

so maybe you don't actually see them

and ur skid just feels the shape and color of everything

which is why its super hard to see when it's dark

cuz there's no light to see

wait

that's just how vision works isnt it

[wicked plover]

I see

[proud hearth]

u see?

or u see

friends where do we get candles

where do candle wax come from

how do our skids make candles out of nowhere

moving this from #cozy-sky-discussion

[magic gust]

From Paraffin wax, technically

though it is possible that some sort of process is creating wax

[wicked plover]

So do the light just smack along pieces of fire dots to form the wax

[pseudo heart]

Hhhhh candle waste theory

[proud hearth]

where does the fire dots come from????

just boom magic matter is created

[orchid heart]

I mean, Sky is filled with magical things so maybe it's just magic lol

[proud hearth]

well, yes

that's the simple explanation

but this is Sky lore

so we make up unnecessarily complex explanations for stuff

[worn citrus]

yes in a nutshell lmao

[pseudo heart]

I personally think that light dots are the.. essence of light creatures

[jade river]

Hayo lore people what's the topic?

[worn citrus]

idk really, I stopped coming here cuz its not the big type of lore I'm invested in unlike something like Undertale or Nier

[jade river]

u n d e r t a l e y a s a y?

[orchid heart]

True. Maybe the wax you collect is being levitated by the candles under them and the candles themselves are actually a type of light creature, which might explain why the candle cakes and seasonal candles can move daily

[jade river]

Candle cake alive

Candle cake moving to from realm to realm while skykids aint watching

[proud hearth]

why yes

they s n e a k y

insert evil laugh

but in c a n d l e

[orchid heart]

And maybe Sky Kids themselves are made of wax and after going around collecting enough wax from candles and darkness plants, the wax they forge into candles is whatever their body can't keep so instead it's made into candles

[jade river]

Me not getting candles since january

[worn citrus]

At some point I remember that I saw all the living beings we see in sky, whether a spirits or such, are not carbon based lifeforms like the normal earth we have
and that the world of Sky is a different earth

[proud hearth]

oof sky kid d e d

[wicked plover]

I mean their towns are filled with clouds and strange arrangement Earthlings wouldnt understand

[orchid heart]

Sky Kid can hold more wax in their body than others lol

[worn citrus]

so by assumption, only flora were the only organic beings in the world of Sky
and everything else that is alive is either composed of light or dark

[jade river]

Im just built different and i can hold 400 candles worth of wax

[wicked plover]

Oooooooh

[orchid heart]

Apparently lol

[pseudo heart]

I don't think darkness plants produce wax but rather

It's from the light source the plant consumed

cough

[proud hearth]

oh

woah

[pseudo heart]

corpse plant theory

[jade river]

Darkness plants storage them and use them as fuel to grow

[wicked plover]

Makes sense

[jade river]

Also its not a plant but more like a fungus

[pseudo heart]

Yes

[worn citrus]

I have a theory on the dark plants being artificial
because well, you don't see a light plant anywhere nor its counterpart being present

[jade river]

Since its goal its to spread and seems to not belong to any realm in particular

[wicked plover]

One dark plant is placed onto what looks like a spirit used to be on

[pseudo heart]

Okay okay so corpse plant theory

[worn citrus]

or that dark plants are a metaphysical karmic manifestation of bad memories and malice from the dead sky people

[pseudo heart]

Basically, darkness plants are from, or at least one of their fuels(?????????) Are the ancestors

The orbs that we burn to relive their memories (though only a recently added game mechanic) are growing darkness plants

And they do count as one in quests

I think they don't have to necessarily be dead

To be infected

See: tearful Lightminer's memories

One of their friends had a plant growing out of them, consuming them from inside out

Not the best way to go but yay

I also think that some plants that grew randomly were from scattered light fragments like Slumbering shipwreck's

OH SPEAKING OF

[wicked plover]

What could the dark plants on the bells have grown on

[pseudo heart]

The bell itself

A light source

[wicked plover]

Makes sense

[pseudo heart]

I think

The reason why no plants exist on Eden nor Vault is because

[distant turtle]

I assume they grow on cracks in stone structures like moss or ivy or clover would

[wispy parcel]

Flowers exist
just no big plants

[distant turtle]

Not necessarily cracks visible in the game but that's my assumption.

[pseudo heart]

Vault — this supports that "vault is a projection/illusion theory" since none of the things in vault or at least most of it isn't real, there won't be anything the plant could consume

[wispy parcel]

I’ve seen mushrooms before too

[pseudo heart]

Other than the ancestors inside

[orchid heart]

Eden is already corrupted but idk why they wouldn’t grow in Vault unless the Ancestors knew some really good magic and somehow protected the Vault because of all the knowledge in it that the plants could destroy

[pseudo heart]

Eden is jus

[wicked plover]

The knowledge probably coming into play in preventing their growth?

[pseudo heart]

Corrupted as hecc, there's no light the plant could consume either

I think it's because Vault is a sacred place

Hmmm

But then

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[orchid heart]

That could be

Also, the only Temple I remember having the plants is Forest. Unless I’m wrong

[wispy parcel]

Anyone ever think about how messed up the whole reincarnation thing would be to actually go through

A constant cycle of death and rebirth

[wicked plover]

Forest temple has the plants

[pseudo heart]

Valley temple

[wispy parcel]

to go through it... as a child...

[orchid heart]

Oh yeah. I forgot about the maze part of Valley Temple

[pseudo heart]

Tell that to megabird

She watched too many animes

[wispy parcel]

Mega wha?

[wicked plover]

||Yep, stone ouchies for the ascended candles||

[pseudo heart]

Oh

[distant turtle]

Zoom into my screenshot. There's a giant wall behind WL temple, taller than the building, as tall as the clouds at least. I imagine the war was fought for that very reason, to defend Vault from intrusion, maybe by rebels but eventually by darkness. #screenshots-and-videos message

[pseudo heart]

Megabird is Sky's deity, she's an elusive character there's barely any depiction of her in the current game other than orbit's ceiling, Office entrance and credits. Used to be a big thing during concepts but now .. eeee

[wispy parcel]

We pray to a big momma bird?

[pseudo heart]

she was theorized to be the one who brought the skykids down

[distant turtle]

Season of Dreams ultimate is Megabird to me in my dreams

[pseudo heart]

As the new generation and inherit the kingdom of Sky

[wispy parcel]

Um

[pseudo heart]

Oh god who was that

[wispy parcel]

Anybody else see that?

[orchid heart]

I just recently saw Megabird on the ceiling of Orbit but she’s at Office too?

[distant turtle]

Yeah the concept art is on the portal pond

[orchid heart]

I’ll have to pay better attention next time I go to Office then lol

[hushed steeple]

She's like,
Circulating around the portal to Office basically

also hi

[pseudo heart]

The office also has lots Sky's concepts inside

I like teaching the office crabs about it

[wicked plover]

Is there some thing to that stone giant in the office or is it just there

[pseudo heart]

Jus chillin there

[hushed steeple]

I think it's just there

Along with other things

Like that ghost

In the staircase

[orchid heart]

So in a way, you could interpret her circling around the portal to Office as the gateway between the world of Sky and our world maybe

[pseudo heart]

But

But

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, sounds cool

[pseudo heart]

I don't think anything beyond the office spirit gate is part of the game anymore

But ye that's interesting

[orchid heart]

Because when you think about it, the gate to Office is very different from the other gates we encounter. Maybe it’s pure light instead of showing a picture because Megabird is the one who made the gate and possible is the gate in a way

[pseudo heart]

Yes, it requires rich skykids to be able to enter

[hushed steeple]

And sky kids who go camping near the office so that they can befriend someone with the special cape

[true grove]

[hushed steeple]

oy

[true grove]

[hushed steeple]

I dig that name and pfp lol

[primal verge]

Guys, I have a crazy theory

The eden diamond is a hybrid of a pulsar and white hole (throw the logic away we literally are fire manifested)

Pulsars are the insane concentration of energy and mass in a relatively small area, they hold a very strong gravitational power and shine a beam of light.

White holes are the opposite to black holes, they let everything out and nothing in.

Sky darkstone diamonds are made by compressing light/fire aka energy with darkstone into the shape of the diamond. With eden they went BIG and concentrated so much energy that it created a quasar / white hole. That's why we can never come close to it due to its gravity and that's why it has a beam of light.

Sky kingdom was on a planet, each realms had days and night. But after the eden diamond was created it made a shock wave so strong that it firstly killed everyone in sky and secondly slowed the sky planet's rotation around itself. Now the planet rotates around it's left with the same speed it does around the sun. That's why it's always the same time of the day in every realm.

[true grove]

Ignis umm...

[hushed steeple]

Very scientific

[dense meteor]

Ok I remember someone talking about this. It was about how the different realms symbolize different times in like

Life*

And I was in office today looking at stuff and I found this

[bitter shale]

Yep

[dry yarrow]

Why a bird lying in here?

[hushed steeple]

S a c r i f i c e

[hard minnow]

Iirc its a remnant from beta?

[hushed steeple]

A g o o d l u c k c h a r m

Jkjk

[hushed steeple]

Yep

[hard minnow]

It has significance in my sky lore but I don't know

[hushed steeple]

It has a fork tail

Like a swallow

Lemme whip out swallow symbolism

[dry yarrow]

@hard minnow oh what significance

[hushed steeple]

"Symbolises leaving the past"

Also

"swallow represents a departed person's soul, and mythology also spoke of Gods who could transform themselves to take the form of a swallow."

Idk that's just my take

Please feel free to share yours!

[bitter shale]

Hmm guys what if ascend trip got a different view before the diamond goes boom?

Like all we see in our current ascend is the ruined buildings

[dry yarrow]

I think this represents that from now onwards these birds will not helping u in journey because we know that we can't see any birds in wasteland

Maybe🤣

[bitter shale]

What if once before the diamond goes yeet, people who goes through ascension see the whole palace?

MAH ENGLISH SUCK

[hard minnow]

Theres a group who think its an altar to megabird. Each leader believes they are a reincarnation of a certain elder. The vault one, who has beta cape(light blue) saw the mural thing on the water in secret area and thought it was a sign from megabird. There is lore in my universe that explains why it is there, but that's complicated. So they assembled other people who are now the leaders of the group. Folowers of their dress like moth, with brown cape and default outfit.

They sacrifice oths at the altar thing at night when valleys people are asleep and in their homes. Its moths because they think that they are more recently from the sky and closer to megabird. Also represent unshaped potential, innocence, purity.

But ah that's my lore at least

[frozen pivot]

Ita not the whole palace but u can see vault as the peak of the palace

Ah u mean when the peeps havent blown themselves into extinction yet, nvm

[somber swallow]

am i just dumb or are skids little light things in their chests getting smaller

[distant turtle]

I see that the palace has a central tower but not how it relates to Vault

[restive cosmos]

Is megabird like the Cristian god or like Zeus

[cursive lantern]

wait there's lore to this game?

[true grove]

Yes

[inner fox]

Can you ride the white whale giant thing?? 👀👀 thoughts?

[normal remnant]

In which spot?

[inner fox]

Yes 😬

[restive cosmos]

Yeah I'm gonna guess Zeus

[normal remnant]

In ||eden|| i once was behind it and I believe i was kind of riding it because i wasnt using extra wingpower but i was going super fast in the sky

[inner fox]

Ooo!! That’s so interesting!

[gray timber]

huh?

[restive cosmos]

It's a she?

[magic gust]

Very possible lel

[graceful osprey]

what are the fireworks that the dragon give made of?

[distant turtle]

If the sky realm were on a planet that was tidally locked with its star, there wouldn't be different times of day a few kilometers apart. I think that on the contrary, the developers wanted a sense of the course of a day, they just made the stylistic choice to tie time of day to the player's progression through the levels.

[pseudo heart]

Yes hh,,, Megabird is a she, the devs referred her as one iirc

[compact olive]

Need help

Lore fam

The weapons on battlefield In wasteland make no sense. The sizes are impossible. There is no way an Ancestor other than an elder could have managed to hold let alone use those oversized weapons.

I don’t want to use the previous theories of the grow spells being used on ancestors for a few reasons.

1. they never existed until a few seasons after I’ve already been playing the game and battlefield was already created along with the spirit sizes a year before the grow spells were even an idea 💡

2. it makes no sense to use a temporary spell for a possible prolonged combat as of it ran out you would then be instantly crushed by the oversized weapon and shield you were holding.

3. the wasteland elder Mural clearly shows smaller people / ancestors carrying correct sized shields and weapons for their size compared to the oversized wasteland elder and his giant hands

[pseudo heart]

Uhhh here ya go
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[compact olive]

Thank you for that link. I read that before but it doesn’t answer my question.

All the devs say (in a joking manner I might add) is that they designed those weapons for the “giant ancestors”.

But the mural does not show a giant ancestor other than the elder and there are no smaller weapons in the entire game except by one statue.

So this leaves the question unanswered as we don’t have any proof of “giant ancestors” save for the weapon sizes and a Dev’s vague joke.

This is the only normal sized weapon

[true grove]

Can someone find these 3 images that are on the office board

Also what's written

[wicked plover]

That looks like a backup dagger to the big Wasteland elder

And a primary weapon to that fallen warrior

Also theres permanent size spells, then again, that can be rebuked with Wasteland coming out before spells

The shields look fine, but the christmas tree tip of the spears look too heavy for an average warrior, the elder can carry it tho for sure

I mean the shields look to be strapped or telekinesis'd onto arms so yeah, but that massive spear tip needs some Wasteland elder level strength

[compact olive]

Only the wasteland elder is big enough to hold those weapons and nearly at that

You see it’s The Elder’s height or width that make it possible to hold those swords and spears but it’s his ridiculously comical hands 🙌

No other elder or ancestor besides the prairie elder might even be able to come close to wrapping a hand around those handles

So even if there WERE giant ancestors they would all need to have the wasteland elders hand sizes which is not normal for any other type of Star we have ever seen

[rapid juniper]

Lamo

[primal sierra]

The swords near the temple switch seems like they'd fit the Forest elder at the minimum? (maybe she forged them....)

[wicked plover]

Imagine even just a punch from such massive hands

Tho its almost as tall as the skid

[primal sierra]

Chibimask skid?

[wicked plover]

Yes

[primal sierra]

I distinctively remember skid beimg a bit taller tho...

[wicked plover]

The chibi is a bit taller than those big hands

Its more wide than tall

Also as much as the heels can present a commanding presence with a bit of height, smaller heels are more practical in battles

But the Wasteland elder is wide anyways so not a problem for him. Unless?

[compact olive]

I’ve done all the calculations and it still doesn’t work. I’m the largest resize spell available and this is the chibi moth in these examples. There’s just no way these weapons were used

The spear is manageable because of its thin handle but only by someone with the Elder’s hand size which is 8 sizes bigger than his head

[snow quest]

when you see it..

[wicked plover]

Weird that in the murals, they're heater or medium kite shields and ingame they're octagon or circular shields

But ohmygod the massive staff and spear tip

That sword's bigger than I thought

Hold on, I made a mistake, so theres actually a heater shield I just noticed on the image with what looks like the crystal

[graceful osprey]

maybe a gauntlet was used

how many spears were there in the battlefield?

if it matches the number of elders there were in the kingdom...

[wicked plover]

That spear with a big tip is better off being used without a shield due to the big tip