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There are glowing worms and that one fish with a bulb that hangs in front of its face
I can see that, due to the search function of them, although I feel like they were made by the elders due to having blue as a passive searching light, which seems strange for a creature of darkness
why does it seem strange ?
blue, in the concepts, represents darkness
darkness and death
Heeeeeey folks
oh
IF you combine that with a cat's flashback ability and make it stronger, you could get a creature that has a spotlight. Not great for eyes though - you'd want that to be a seperate thing, with eyes sitting elsewhere able to see things that are illuminated by the spotlight
I seem to have been fooled by myself
We might not have living animals with glowing eyes, but we do have animals with glowing adaptations for hunting.
@short owl those r angler fish and the light is for attracting fish, not warming em
In concept Tsadi protected you from the dark beings
so I can’t see him being involved in their making
possibly against it even
Pyre, I brought up Angler fish due to how the light is handled, but the glow worms are likely a better example of using the light to attract food.
going off the Ancestors V Elders war theory
willing to believe it
Imma go take a detailed look at krill brb
we don’t know that for sure, pyre, although you could argu it
OH! There's also a crab that uses some sort of light show as a defence! So while that isn't a direct connection, it's another creature that uses light in an unusual way.
Crackpot idea that sprung into my head
does anyone comment about my idea for over heatting phones? 
Crabs have something to do with light
wrong chat, Cake
because they walk in circles
wrong chat, Cake
@lethal stump Its lore
and circles represent the light
The water around the portal in secret area
its to cool down the sky kids
they are too bright and hot for the normal world
thats why your phone over heats
the sky kids are too hot for it
they are stars after all @lethal stump
any disagreements?
i mean, that seems rather meta
most of the lore we deal with here isn’t meta, it’s in the game universe
although, it’s an interesting take, that’s for sure
I have to say that recently I’ve come to really like the Ancestors V Elders war theory
I think reason why the krills sound mechanical is that they have exoskeletons, or a carapace. ( Cursed image by reika )
their underbelly is soft and their backs have plates, which looks solid
A possibility: Maybe Krill are natural creatures that were used for war, and thus were outfitted with something noisy. Naturally, this upset them and now they are angry
I feel like I need persuading out of my war machine idea at this rate
Their legs look solid too, and for those legs to move with an exoskeleton wrapping around them is either to have those membrane things between the plates or space dividing the plates
I’m slightly too accustomed to thinking it
that's okay. I have the same problem with Mind Control Megan
tell me about Mind Control Megan
soft underbelly...my mind immediately jumps to belly scratches
let us pet krills, tgc
I’m stuck in a state of ‘krill are war machines they have to be’
I cannot see them as organic beings they’re too unnatural in their ways to be so to me
I am completely unable to imagine them being natural
krill is void
everything is void
Ok so, Megabird is a collective being. She is MADE UP of stars. In order for a collective being to exist, however, it must be able to exert some control over its parts. To simplify, it requires a hivemind like structure, which requires a direct mental link between beings.
Now, looking at the elders and what they did when you brought them light, they largely seem to get rid of it quickly. Daleth (isle) accepts it with his staff, but also keeps it in his staff. Ayin (Prarie) turns it into a butterfly and stores it away. Teth (forest) stores it in a diamond and sends that up into space. Samekh (Valley) straight up yeet the light. Tsadi (wasteland) launches the light with their spear. Lamed has you stick the light into a diamond and yeet it into space. None of them actually take the light for themselves.
This suggests that for whatever reason, they want to get rid of it even if they need it to sustain themselves. This is suspicious.
There's more to the theory that explains Orbit and why we have to buy everthing from the spirits to get the elders into orbit, but let's save that for another time
I don’t think they try to get rid of it per say, to me it looks more like they harness it’s powers for their own purposes
Like they’re abusing it, void of its purpose
That’s probably why mega bird kicked them out in the first place
I have this stupid idea for a sort of almost inverse Hollow Knight going on
this isn’t intended to be serious but
Although the hive mind is a very nice supporting theory, seeing as how our calls can locate each other across mass distances of space
this isn’t serious
what if ancestors worship Megan and Elders got angry they continued worshipping her and not them so they abused power and the war was about Megan worship V Elder worship
I know you explicitly stated it wasn’t serious, but if it were true it would make a poetic ending in Megan eventually forgiving them in the end and letting them home
ooooo
After seemingly thousands of years
Hollow Knight goes as follows:
some deity rules over land with a hivemind, some other deity comes along, takes over and gives everyone individuality
everyone forgets first deity and that one gets a n g r y so creates this horrible plague that forces everyone back in the hivemind and -
I won’t go on I’m going on a tangent
Oh the elders have names?
In concept.
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Interesting
ayyyyy wassup everyone
Valley have two "siblings" but their name is Samekh?
ayyyyy wassup everyone
@hushed steeple Oh hey
well, they count as one elder so they have one name
i got no idea about what the lore of this game is. all i know is that it’s a never ending death cycle of freeing star people and giving them fire
Oh who is the prince? I forgot him completely, do we met him sometime in game?
They have these names for a reason.
The Hebrew alphabet has its own spiritual depth and meaning (if you’re willing to believe so) with each of the letters having specific connotations
Wow
i feel like the rebirth ending isn't meant to give hope
at least not in a conventional way
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is it generally accepted that there are two valid ending scenarios, one which rebirth(credit) is considered the definitive end, and one which account for events after the rebirth(cyclic continuum)?
My theory is, and I try to keep this as evidence based as possible but still with a whole lot of interpretation, was that according to the intro all the “Stars”, here referring to the elders, were “united” in the light. Then, “darkness came and the stars fell”. My interpretation of this is that they began to harness the powers of the light itself. Trapping it, shaping it in different forms and for different contraptions such as the diamonds. They even went on to imitate life, creating the butterfly jars and even controlling birds. The light might’ve seen this as impure to its own creations, or got jealous out of a bad imitation. So, it kicked them all out and they “fell”. After that they built a kingdom in the clouds and continued their practices of harnessing light, even teaching the residents of the clouds themselves. But all of this new found technology turned to greed, the constant hunger for light to power their contraptions and store their knowledge. Finally, the first diamond was created. Used to elevate objects, to elevate knowledge cubes. What if they could use it to elevate themselves? In a last ditch attempt to return to the light, they created the biggest Diamond ever to lift their kingdom into the very heavens itself, but it backfired. Everything turned to ruin, the resulting storm draining the light from every living thing, creating the krills. Creatures of darkness that also constantly hunger for light, never to be sated. At the sight of this The Light despaired. And it forgave them. So it sent us down with a mission, to “bring our stars home”.
Now the only problem with this theory is I can’t fit the king/prince into it
But I’m assuming either the false king/idol theory is correct or we are the prince. Notice how The Light says to “bring our stars home”. This could mark supremacy over the elders, or it could mean that we’re an avatar of The Light, which could also be seen as a Monarch.
Uh, sorry for being annoying but how do we know that there's a prince in the game?
we don’t know for sure if we see the prince in game, but we do know that they’re kind of in the lore
i just think a leader and elders (who are all related to megabird) started a city which had a great rise and a great fall, so we are sent down to mend it
Also notice how we’re the first humanoid creatures to be able to fly
The elders obviously couldn’t fly, and if the cloud people could, they wouldn’t have used boats
Or diamonds to levitate things
That’s probably because we were handcrafted by the light itself, like all the mantas and jellyfish etc. all creatures who can fly.
It should also be noted that the main creatures that return to the light, are all aquatic in our world. And judging from the elder cutscenes, they tried to imitate the light and created, or at least controlled birds. It does seem like they created butterflies from the jars though, as it’s the only purpose we can observe from the jars.
But birds and butterflies aren’t aquatic creatures. See the contrast? That would make it very poetic for The Light to forgive the elders, allow them home, as well as allow their creations home too.
The ultimate act of forgiveness and acceptance
It should also be noted that the main creatures that return to the light, are all aquatic in our world. And judging from the elder cutscenes, they tried to imitate the light and created, or at least controlled birds. It does seem like they created butterflies from the jars though, as it’s the only purpose we can observe from the jars.
i think butterflies were stored in pots rather than being forged inside of pots
But when we give the prarie elder a piece of our light, he puts it in and out comes a butterfly
We already know that they have the knowledge and power to manipulate light
But when we give the prarie elder a piece of our light, he puts it in and out comes a butterfly
i think in Ayin's cutscene, he forges a butterfly out of the flame we light and stores it in his pot(the butterfly flies in willingly) and sets it down.
i like your other ideas though
Hey guys I just asked in questions and help section about why out sky character does something (in the photo below) they said it’s better if I asked here
Touching the wall?
Yeah like it touches walls and stuff all the time
Hmm I never really thought about it
Supporting themselves?
I kinda just thought it was in imitation of human habit. Like how people grab a railing at every opportunity, before the pandemic of course
That makes sense
Ever heard of why a Pegasus would still move its legs even when its flying? In contrast with people moving their arms back a forth whilst walking
Idk, it could be something important and I may be overlooking it
Ahhh okay, it’s makin more sense now haha thanks
But if you find a solid reason for it, do share
Sure will Thankyou 
More thought on krills being mechanical/biomechanical
I know its hard to see in this pic but the eye for them seems to be a sphere/orb
and it doesnt really look connected “into” anything
@hushed steeple oh whoops you’re right, he did craft it. This is the problem with human memory, but this does show that they might’ve tried to imitate Megan, which ticked her off
More thought on krills being mechanical/biomechanical
@autumn pelican if they are actually mechanical and not creatures deprived of light, hence why they constantly search and hunt for it, I’d imagine the elders created them to police the continuous flow of light. Think, as an authoritarian state.
Or rather, it became an authoritarian state out of their lust for light
You can hear deep ”growling” of sorts
along with a metal tinkling
this is more or less most of my reasoning for them being biomechanical
Ok. I just finished my first run through of Sky. Here’s what I gathered of the lore so far. I apologize if this has already been confirmed, I’m lazy and don’t feel like scrolling up countless posts.
We are reincarnated souls of a lost civilization who have little to no memory of our home. The civilization was fairly advanced (there’s pottery, big complex buildings, libraries, paper, boats, bridges, arcs) and seafaring. The stars had a significant impact in their society. It seems like they prayed to them and the dead seem to go up to the stars and falling stars are souls being reincarnated. They were probably semi close to nature (there’s a whole level that takes place in the forest and glowy butterflies, birds, and fish make a common appearance). They were probably curious people who liked puzzles (look at the sheer amount of hidden books and crannies and puzzles available to explore). Community might’ve been a strong thing for them as some of the puzzles need others working together to complete.
Things were going well. They eventually started friendly competitions featuring various tasks. Then something happened. It was probably either internal or external strife that caused a war based off of the Golden Wasteland and the theme of the spirits we see there. This caused the vast majority of the civilization to die out. If any survived, they were not able to revive their culture.
If the reincarnation thingy only works w the memories we have, then this is likely where we die. The spirits whose memories we relive are likely guides to help us learn about the civilization and what happened.
Hey guys I just asked in questions and help section about why out sky character does something (in the photo below) they said it’s better if I asked here
i think it is a game mechanics, to make sky kids more anthropomorphic and appeal to pathos, as in to show the innate nature of sky kids as being very afraid, and fearful, relying on support on every level figuratively and literally. But when something happens to those who are close them, they would sacrifice everything to save and support them, this implicit juxtaposition defines the sky kids, to me that is the real courage.
i could of worded that better
Lambda are you a philosipher in your spare time
Who are these guys do you think?
these are known officially as imprints of child of the light, but we generally call them CoL
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actually it's imprints of the child of light, alternatively referred to as winged light or shiny bois
We call them winged light more often
but for lore purposes i go with imprints
i think it is a game mechanics, to make sky kids more anthropomorphic and appeal to pathos, as in to show the innate nature of sky kids as being very afraid, and fearful, relying on support on every level figuratively and literally. But when something happens to those who are close them, they would sacrifice everything to save and support them, this implicit juxtaposition defines the sky kids, to me that is the real courage.
to add onto that i just love that the game doesnt make us kick butts to show courage. it just does it so subtly like in eden you see them go on without any weapons but even that alone makes them admirable
Huh? HUH????
i never trusted the elders in the first place
Never trust the elders, my dudes
N e v e r
A A A A A
elders sus
teth is rly sus
Does this mean my headcanons about the Elders may be legit-

Well, I didn't necessarily believe them to be evil, but still-
[sees bricky’s pfp] haha liddol prince
^^^
i thought it said “what.”
YOOO
does this have to do with isle possibly having had a higher water level?? it was mentioned that the turtle in particular is a sea turtle which has something to do with the level's backstory??
what
I feel like I've missed a few things here
A prophecy at sea?
i heard a great call ring out in the skies...is it....the prophecy?
uhg I have to wait till 3 am to say some of things I want that some beta friends have told me
but I'll be asleep
this was in regard to whether the turtle in the teaser was a sea or land turtle
skybot what prophecy are you hiding
I heard a call in the ocean:/ but its probably a bug
Does it respond to the word prophecy?
Probably
a prophecy in the sky?
beware the ||mods||
yes but it doesn't always respond
I did it
Also, wasn't there a mention how the four animals corresponds to each element? Or is my memory fake-
i think it is just the mods
Ehh, I'm really hyped for the Season, but I have to wait for a lot of hours-
time goes faster when you are not thinking about it
i hope slowmode doesn't happen tomorrow
anyways, off i go
Scrolling around....whats about a turtle?
the first animal shown in the teaser video is a turtle
really?
can you link real quick please
New animals?
ah yes tortle
Omg the bot talks
apparently the turtle being water-based has something to do with the what story of the season/area is about
there are turtleish bones in graveyard so it wouldn't be exactly new
yeah the skulls are of turtles
poor turtle things
Anything on what possibly happened to the turtles?
they got eaten it looks like
hage theorised that the turtle-whale (whurtles as we call them) animals were used to power the gigantic eden diamond
Woah
Can skids sleep?
technically
The sleep emote exists but
Yes
that might not count
They can
I know spirits could but sky kids...
True
Aren’t all the emotes mimicry
If you do the faint emote with effects, you'll see ZZZs by the skids
So technically, they sneep
I still feel mildly upset at the
And the sleep emote makes snoring sounds
the fainting
Why?
But probably doesn't need sneep
We watch this lass die right in front of us and we make a mockery of it
well it might as well make sense of the skykids being oblivious children with no intent to offend
but still
She looked in pain
well I’ve somehow come to call that one she
I call all the spirits they/them
Ye
It’s good for folks like me, the kids and spirits don’t have an assigned gender
I use "the [insert emote] spirit"
I remember only some names of the spirits
gave them names
Aww
Ooooh
don't worry that's perfectly fine
me and a friend have been giving names to the krill
ive named some of the spirits and gotten very attached
res can attest to that
I would post this chart I made but I don’t feel my dignity would want me to
want to hear them or is this not the place
do it
well my favourite is Raz, the sneaky survivor
that’s all i can get into because sneep snorp time
gnight!
Hmmm... Maybe I should name the Tearful Miner "Lily"
Idk, I just somehow really like the simple appearances of some spirits like Pointing Pilgrim and Tearful Miner
Thx
then beams for the krill
ark: arkie
broken temple: brock
graveyard: piper, pipa, steven, and Wendy
shipwreck: cruise
battlefield: roy, leroy, melvin
eden ???,???, everest
what’s the purpose of that specific attire
the krill have themed names of course
excellent
What’s the thing the spirits wear over their shoulders? Is it a sort of hood? Some of them wear it pulled up.
wendy is the one by the wind tunnel to shipwreck since that made sense to me
What’s the thing the spirits wear over their shoulders? Is it a sort of hood? Some of them wear it pulled up.
@lyric isle I don’t think all the spirits wear them... only some do
Idk, I might change names easily for the spirits tho
I could be wrong
Hey you know how crabs have like black spots, but the two docile crabs in the sanctuary islands don’t have black spots?
When I think of a name for Pointing Pilgrim, all I could literally think of is "Pilgrim"
I am creative with names-
I once poorly sketched the spirit ‘types’
me and a friend have been giving names to the krill
@sacred rapids sameeee! We named the first one in wasteland Karen or Karol (one of them) and the one that goes around the mountain thing in Eden Ronald lol
I still think they're ponchos
Prob are
karen is the god of all krill
Hijabs maybe?
or maybe the clothing is to represent what "tribe" their apart of?
dont name normal krill after a god
or family line
The wasteland shoulder things seem much more structured than the others, maybe bc wasteland seems like much more of a military thing?
The Vault scholars seem to have possibly some thing with modesty
of hoodies
Or maybe a good name for Pointing Pilgrim is "Sam"? Idk
he seems like a sam
hmmm yeah
Yea
Named Pilgrim Ripley
Hey you know how crabs have like black spots, but the two docile crabs in the sanctuary islands don’t have black spots?
@high bison I think that crabs aren’t really dark creatures, but the hostile crabs are ‘infected’ with darkness, so they are constantly agitated
anyways I'm going to sneep I have school tomorrow
good night!
The Vault scholars seem to have possibly some thing with modesty
@lyric isle I think it might be because they wanted to focus on knowledge rather than physical things or smth deep like that
O oof
Phoebus to allude to this pilgrim character of mine in another fandom called Fayvel might work
Good night!
Night!
If we were to think of names of all spirits, we would have to come up with 37 names for each one-

I prefer a simple name to match with the Pilgrim's simple appearance-
@high bison I think that crabs aren’t really dark creatures, but the hostile crabs are ‘infected’ with darkness, so they are constantly agitated
@high bison oh yes i have the same theory there r 2 types of dark creatures pure dark creatures and corrupted dark creatures the guys with dust falling from em like the crabs are corrupted while the ones that are dark but dont have dust are dark from the start
which comes to a total of 84+
@high bison I think that crabs aren’t really dark creatures, but the hostile crabs are ‘infected’ with darkness, so they are constantly agitated
@high bison that’s actually a rlly good theory! Maybe, because sanctuary islands r filled with light, as opposed to wasteland and forest having rain/polluted water/krills, the crabs don’t absorb any darkness?
you could count the background characters in the spirit tableaux as worthy of names
The Grateful Seashell Collector is...
Shelly
😂
@high bison that’s actually a rlly good theory! Maybe, because sanctuary islands r filled with light, as opposed to wasteland and forest having rain/polluted water/krills, the crabs don’t absorb any darkness?
@sleek sail yes ronald
exactly
I have the perfect name for the timid bookworm spirit
Ready...
||Buttercup||
I like that
Cause the butterfly cape
What about the Quest Giver of Sanctuary-
Double win
I think the quest giver spirits are kinda hard to name ‘cause we don’t relive their memories...
The prophecy seasonal pendant is the same as the symbol that marks where the next checkpoint is when u call
Oh true
But uhhh... Not sure about Raymond-
I hope we get a lot more lore in this season
it's supposed to have lore
It’s definitely gonna be more than sanctuary lol
Santuary had lore tho..
I think TGC said this season would explore the origins of sky’s world
Tru but it wasn’t a ton compared to other seasons
It said it'll explain the story behind the Ancestors you encounter
Ah
oooooooooooh
Have you lore folks figured this out? (It's in Sunny Forest.) Restores your light super fast.
Is that the one in the underground caverns
Underground, huh? interesting...
Yeah.
if u r exposed certain kinds of flames u get recharged super fast
there r a few more of those in sky
Yeh, but it doesn't seem like a flame. It looks like half a power diamond actually.
ooh...
its a flame
its on top of one of the spires in cavern
it cant not be a flame
it dances
I think the flames that charge you super fast are just larger flames. We see this in the large campfires (example, the large campfire in the graveyard where 3 crabs are being cooked). Those fires charge you much faster than things like candles.
party poopers /j
It doesn't move like one though.
it does
Hm...
I found this in the Isles of Santuary. Has this been translated yet?
I think the flames that charge you super fast are just larger flames. We see this in the large campfires (example, the large campfire in the graveyard where 3 crabs are being cooked). Those fires charge you much faster than things like candles.
@high bison but the flame in caverns is super small
#lore-discussion-spoilers message Still doesn’t explain why it’s seemingly just floating there for no reason...
I found this in the Isles of Santuary. Has this been translated yet?
@late wind the isle elder is beating up the prince?
Always curious about that. Thought it was a bug or unfinished idea
looks more like tsadi smitting prince
it's a bug
@late wind it's a bug. We discussed it at length after the update.
Five elders with their heads missing next to some structure that isn't displaying all the ay
yes yes its a bug
but is was fun....
who put it in tho?
the mural sure wasnt drawn by itself
It's probably supposed to be there. It's just not displaying properly.
hmmm
i don't think it's supposed to be there
it has something to do with beta but that's all i can say
but anyway
wow conflicting ideas
rotfl
hey guys
do u think the island we see from homespace is isle?
oh and technically since vault of knowledge is vault and isle of dawn is isle, eye of eden should be eye, not eden
right?
that island is where the intro cutscene takes place
hmmm?
what do u mean
we wake up on home space
and the rest of the cutscene is a mural in the sky
oh my gahhhhh
what the....
holy...
wow
just wow
that is so cool
think of the possibilities
i cant stop thinking about it
what would this mean?
I need sneep
and when i wake up i have to do math
And then prophecy
i wont be able to oay attention during math oh no
i have no thoeriess but i will tommrow
Edit: i judt realized i hadnt been talking and then i said this, this mustve seemed entirely random
whoops
lol
@teal orbit yo can we talk about this?
What you mean?
the transluscent kind that r actually neutral but forms a symbyotic relationship with sparkling light like mushrooms and jellies
and the pure light kind that are just light like mantas and birds
Ahh ok
I just wanted to say that I think there might be no fully dark creature because darkness/corruption might be a sort of driving force that just makes light creatures go dark (almost like a disease)
I think dark plants are sort of like darkness induced cancer, but for an ecosystem (the forest and to an extent the wasteland). Sort of like weeds.
hmmmmm
yes
but for them to be weeds
they need to be pure darkness
like if its corupted they arent weeds
But they’re like weeds in that they can ‘steal’ light and nutrients from the surrounding area
But they’re like weeds in that they can ‘steal’ light and nutrients from the surrounding area
@high bison oh yes
oh ok
Anyway
NO BETA STUFF
only a few hours left.....
Still not allowed
but the point of no beta is that it cant change
Still not allowed because its not release yet Pyre!
Maybe its a good idea to delete the messages about it for now
This goes to you too, Mumbo
Since you mentioned it too
Ight
aight
Now as I was saying...
yea
Dark crabs are just light crabs infected with darkness. The reason we don’t see other creatures infected like this is because either, everything else infected with darkness just kinda dies, but crabs are somehow able to survive infection, or the rather more depressing option, the dark crabs we see are actually dead crabs, but their bodies aren’t destroyed by the infection/naturally decay away because of their hard exoskeleton, so the darkness just pilots the body around like a zombie.

OR SURPRISE THIRD OPTION, crabs ARE pure dark creatures, BUT the docile crabs we see in the sanctuary islands have been ‘purified’ somehow.
nah the crabs have dust on em
And now they just wander around and be chill
theyre infected for sure
Maybe, it’s all speculation
yup
Sometimes I just like too flip a theory on it’s head and see what happens
hm me 2
do you guys think the water in gw is polluted by some kind of oil?
Maybe
yesterday kadal noticed some kind of glow that you usually see in oil-polluted water in gw
like, rainbow halo
guys but if gw is oil then if u burn a dark pplant or light a lantern shouldnt the whole realm go up in flames?
bc u know oil?
it has an oil spill effect but it doesn't have to be oil actually
but then again our candle doesn

doesn't get extinguished when in water
You know how people say the forest temple is a power diamond factory? Well I think it’s more of a general power generator type deal. So maybe the waste produced by the power generators in the wasteland was dark or could attract darkness
but like our candle is small
oil burns with even the smallest flame
those videos of ppl spreading gasoline and lighting it up with a match, those gasoline are pretty shallow
we just hav to assume this oil doesnt burn
but with a deep swimming pool level of oil...
Maybe the Gw has a weird type of oil
Or maybe "darkness" has some oily effect when its in water
Oh maybe yeah
Come to think of it, I noticed the rocks at Eden actually turn into sludge on contact
At the point of no return
they do?
hmmm
Well, when they hit the ground I mean
So they're not normal rocks...
They're solid darkness-
I also think the red crystals in Eden are sort of like dark plants in that it’s like cancer but instead of cancer for the ecosystem it’s cancer for the earth itself
So melted eden rocks are the weird dark stuff in the gw
🤷🏾♀️
I think those red rocks are just just fragments from the Eden Diamond
Well if the red Eden rocks are just broken off fragments of the big diamond, why don’t they get blown away by the strong winds?
I think the red crystals we see (not the big diamond) are like bits of rock and earth and non-living things that are corrupted by darkness
The darkness manifests and gathers in the lifeless earth, and the red crystals start to grow
arent those darkness plants?
maybe corrupted rock formations
r the crystals
whats a walking spider house?
You know how people say the forest temple is a power diamond factory? Well I think it’s more of a general power generator type deal. So maybe the waste produced by the power generators in the wasteland was dark or could attract darkness
@high bison maybe! the first krill area (i forgot what it's called lol) has a structure that looks rlly rlly similar to the forest temple, so maybe wasteland is a glimpse into what forest looked like after too much waste was produced and forest got corrupted?
Oh?
So maybe since there is “Oil”
What if they tried to remake the rains there
Ya know from the forest
im thinking wasteland was part of the forest
and it had rain
but the light mushrooms all died
so the water was not purified
hence the oil water
oh maybe!
or maybe wasteland was a section of forest that was more of a dumping ground than a production center, and the darkness killed off all the light mushrooms?
Ooh
That kinda makes sense
Yeah I think the forest is in the beginning stages of becoming essentially the next wasteland
hmm
Cause there is a lot of pipes in the GW
With the dark rain
Wow you have such great theories 
my theoretical sky water cycle:
water collects all the darkness as it rains>mushrooms purify> water evaporates>it rains
Maybe they were transferring the rain from the forest to the Gw and it failed somehow
also, the crabs make sense too bc they're more hostile than the docile sanctuary crabs with no darkness in them?
maybe!
there is a pipe you can go through right before the bridges area
to put together certain theories, gw was a section of forest, but they dumped dark stuff in gw so gw`s light creatures died so water isnt purified and since the sun is blocked out its cold so no evaporation?
so no rain
whats a walking spider house?
@teal orbit there is this Minecraft YouTuber called Mumbo Jumbo and he makes redstone creations. One of the things he made was a walking house that walks like spider.
i have no idea what red stone is but this is lore chat so imma not ask
minecraft lel
ok
But I wonder what the pipes where there for?
Perhaps the darkness?
light creature essence
Mmm yes the emulsion of manta juice
light creature essence is what u squish from mantas
Yum
yes
Hmm
What parts of the forest is there pipes in?
Manta squisher
Eden, forest, and wasteland r the only places with pipes right
Which part of forest taht have pipes
light grinder (can grind all types of light creatures)
Yes. In the Golden Wasteland they are broken
guys but if gw is oil then if u burn a dark pplant or light a lantern shouldnt the whole realm go up in flames?
Now this makes sense
karate emote place has pipes too
Oh yea that kungfu guy
no, karate
I wonder why did they do there
not kung fu
Sorry
The recent Ts?
yup
Yeh
I hate my wifi
Oh also, I think maybe the light creatures that get juiced r maybe butterflies, not mantas? Bc in the prairie elder cutscene, u see them stuffing butterflies in jars
look at what sky rock said
Oh boy
Bruh this season gonna be deep
@sleek sail nah i think its mantas
Also, I think the butterfly light jar thing was discussed a while ago so
Aren’t those in the Ark?
Since we can see more mantas than butters in forest
Or that is just fire
I think smaller mantas might’ve also fallen victim to the light juice squisher but like, the big ones? Too hard to juice
Bruh can u grind krill 
They juicing baby mantas
baby mantas?
ooooh
Baby manta yums
industrialized diamond making system.......
Oh
Speaking of that
Aren’t like butterflies packaged in vases?
Like, the only mantas we can see in forest are mostly babies and pre adults
Unlike prairie which have that big mantas and elders
Ohh true
Maybe that might be bc the rain or darkness or whatever present in forest prevents the growth of the mantas?
Idk, maybe prairie is specifically build to breed mantas? And then they send the babies to forest
To get juiced
Idk
Maybe the regular manta and b e e g manta are two different species?
Oh perhaps?
They look different tbh
Ooooor they specifically breed mantas to adult in prairie and breed mantas for juices in forest
Maybe the smol mantas and big ones r different evolutions, like Pokémon
Manta juice yum
And then the final evolution is the absolute unit of a whale
Arent we have that picture baout mantas
Elder manta, the big lad we seen in sanctuary
my sky kingdom diamond industry theory
isle makes boats to transport diamonds, jars and stuff
prairie grow butterflies
forest squashes em
valley makes sure megan doesnt get angry with all this
wasteland makes stuff outa diamonds
vault figures out how to make cooler diamonds
eden is the headquarters
tada
And one main reason why my game crashed
i am a genius
Valley distracts Megan with cool sports
hmmm yes
Yea
Like cricket n stuff
Hey look we have sports! Don’t pay attention to the killing of light creatures hah
That makes sense tho
more like we will give u entertainment and food
just dont worry about how we do things down here
The citadel is also called the orrery, right? And if I remember Latin roots from sixth grade correctly, that means something to do with birds
thats a fan name....
Oh Oop-
The orrery the is planet things i guess
the citadel has more to do with religious activities
I see
They be juicing birds over there too smh 😔
Perhaps it was built to appease Megan?
B i r d j u i c e
Isn’t Megan that big bird
Yes
They be juicing birds over there too smh 😔
@mellow falcon nah the ancestors would want to hide the operation, not show it to megan
Oh right! I keep forgetting to mention this but a while ago me and a friend went oob at the very top of vault and found this
Isn’t Megan that big bird
@mellow falcon no its a sacrifice....
unles thats megan in for surgery
Lololol
Man the twins do be good at hiding stuff tho
Oh I thought Megan was short 4 megabird lol
yes it is
It is
I think so? Bc sometimes the devs put stuff oob that relate to stuff in the actual game that they decided not to put in, but still kept in there
Like the buildings in the valley stadium oob
oob’s bearing on lore is debatable, depends on the oob
What's the significance of that bird on the stone slab in front of the Orrery? Is it dead, a sacrifice, or is it from an earlier season
U never rlly see those unless u go oob but they put those there anyways
Tru
I always thought it was a manta lol
bird is from pre global beta
I rarely go there tho so
that’s a beta memory, Owl. other than that there’s no stated significance of that bird
Do you guys sometimes questioned why those mantas in valley floors got stacked before become a spiral in the next floor
What's the significance of that bird on the stone slab in front of the Orrery? Is it dead, a sacrifice, or is it from an earlier season
@urban ginkgo Its either megan in for surgery or a sacrifice. We will never know.
Do we have any idea what the spinny things in the citadel are for?
armillary spheres !
its a merry go round
Like, they might just be distractions for megan but
armillary spheres !
@lethal stump what are those?
armillary spheres are actual things that exist irl, they’re used for measuring the night sky. they can be copernican (sun-centred) or ptolemaic (earth-centred)
I think they generate the upward winds and allow you to fly around freely
They probably do
Although how do they spin? Like, what powers them?
diamonds
The thing below them
i’d say power diamonds
Magic
The circle thing
there r spinning bases on the citadel
True
I say the sun but idk
the sun prob helps charge the diamond
Mhm
i wonder if spirits had battlefield medics
Do you guys think that, perhaps in the past citadel wasnt build on the clouds?
Like, they got covered in clouds recently
I think power diamonds would be a bit weird bc they’re made with light creatures, and they’re in a realm/area built to sorta distract Megan from the construction of them
they probably did, why wouldn’t they, pyre ?
True!
Thats a good news for my headcanon then
but there r no medical personel or supplies in gw
True
Wait since the citadel is probably on a side of mountain that would mean the air is thinner allowing more of a free fly
is there air?
ooh
Hmm
I feel like the GW had a war or something
Maybe they just poured a bit of manta juice on the wound
Pretty sure gw is a part of valley
See ya
See ya l8r
Cya pyre
i feel like sometimes things don’t have to be outright stated to be implied. of course there would have been medical personnel in a war, no civilization has gone without them in combat
Even demigods need medic 
Maybe they used m a g i c to heal?
Kinda curious why none of the elders are specialized in medicals, or maybe there is?
Idk
Pretty sure gw is a part of valley
@bitter shale maybe? Although Valley’s architecture style is definitely different from wasteland’s
I technically light heals or recharges people
I feel like if any of them were, it would be vault, bc they specialize in knowledge
Oh true
valley/gw/eden have similar architecture/design elements
Maybe the elders had their own version of instant recharge potions?
So the ancestors just set them selves on fire to heal?
Altho gw is more dominated with king statues so its seems they are separated from valley
True
the manta juice might come in handy idk
The king propagandas
gw is prob part of forest
Ooh sky propaganda lol
Again, I think gw is more connected to forest bc the forest temple looks a lot like the first krill area
Since gw was a heavily industrialized area they probably chop all the trees maybe
Right. A while ago, me and a friend (the same one I went to the vault oob with) managed to get inside the forest temple and the structure in the first krill area, and they look rlly similar both inside and outside
Hm
But it’s very sandy there in the GW
I’ll have to scroll a while for the screenshots but
True
Maybe it’s rlly sandy bc the darkness killed all the grass on the ground?
d i r t
Hmm maybe
And leached all the nutrients out or smth
Really dry dirt
dry dirt
Well, probably not dry bc there’s so much polluted liquid next to it
Actually, if the polluted stuff is more oily than watery then would it still be considered dry or wet?
I dont think that gives nutrition to dirt
Like, water makes things wet but does oil?
Hmm
But it also takes your light
But the thing is
That you can purified it, the ark shows that you can
Actually, I heard a good theory abt that a while ago here! I don’t remember who said it but i don’t take credit 4 it lol
lets hope that was me
Basically, the enchantment spirits were supposed to take lights to wasteland to purify the water/oil/whatever, but then the krill u see lurking at the beginning attacked and the lights got scattered. Eventually, the skykids got tasked with finding and returning them, but by the time that happened, their power had faded, and they were only able to purify the small enchantment area
Theory : Water in gw is actually oil
Skids :
Oh man
That theory makes sense ngl
It’s not my theory lol

I don’t remember who came up with it sorry >_<
Its okay 
Ok, but who ever said that was on to something
They were indeed
Although, didn’t enchantment’s description say something abt the spirits seeking fortune or smth?
Idk I don’t remember it that well loll
Perhaps they were gonna get paid 4 doing it, bc it was a dangerous job?
Maybe the people in the GW were able to purify the waters/oil
So maybe, since they had that war, it messed up on what they were trying to do to the Wastelands
Or maybe, the enchantment spirits were gonna go get their fortunes anyways and then someone was like “hey btw since ur heading there why not take these with u?”
Although, didn’t enchantment’s description say something abt the spirits seeking fortune or smth?
@sleek sail yeah i think they would of gotten paid if they succeeded
Oh man
Bc they have the spell shop, so they could’ve just been traveling merchants who did it to get extra currency or whatever
True
What if they paid them in free tickets to the valley sports shows lol
I mean the area is called the forgotten ARK so maybe they were the wastelands last hope?
Makes sense to me
“Hey can u carry these important lights to this dangerous place where u could get killed? We’ll give u free tickets to go see some twins whack around a ball”
“Yea sure”
Also the shops are in a big boat that crashed and it has stories on them
Guys enchantment didn't have the lights
?
I thought they did?
We gave them the lights
They had lights, lost the lights, we gave them the lights
Enchantment was prob in gw to get the red light but they got krilled
Nope
Aw man
You can see all 6 lights in the big ark doodle
How on earth did they send cyan to isle?
They were struck by a storm tho
Man but that krill was f a r away from them
And now that the sky kids are hear to return the light to the world they want to help so they turned their ruined boat into a shop
🌩️
Nah it gaurds the whole strait
Crab dance. Scare. Confused. Sleeping. Long ago, the enchantment spirits lived on a boat with an important mission. But then everything changed, when the krill attacked
According to the mural there was an armada
If feel like the ark had tons of water then a serious drought happened
Idk
Only the Prince, master of all emotes, could stop them... But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
How on earth did they send cyan to isle?
@teal orbit maybe it was on the side of the boat closest to the krill when the krill attacked, so it got knocked the farthest?
Well he was busy throwing rocks at skids in eden
If feel like the ark had tons of water then a serious drought happened
Idk
I have a theory about that but i just need a bit more time to be able to relate a few more things
👀
Eyes
I mean there are ships and things
But they can also ride on clouds or they float?
Mmk
Doubt the ancestors float
I think clouds r sorta like water in the sky universe- they work like the ocean, along with actual oceans that work like oceans, like in the prairie village thing
The big boats in the ark and crab fields could fly, that’s why they seem to have crashed so far inland
Actually, I’m not sure if there r any boats in sky that are clearly stated to be used on water
You think that they used the diamonds in the flying race in valley?
Wait nvm there’s that crashed boat stuck in the lake under the ice rink in valley
They made it like skiing
I remember hearing somewhere that the people would race by boats (was it canon doc??)
Oh fr? Wow
Since the elders/whatever couldn’t fly, maybe that’s what they did in the flying race, and then the skykids just fly by themselves?
Maybe that was used for that one race in the valley
Flying manta race 
What if they rode mantas to race
NYOOOOOOM
Megan prob wouldn’t be mad at that bc they’re not juicing them, they’re just riding them?
Did you guys remember those smol mantas in sanct that just went to players that flying
Like
Trying to power the players
Maybe the prairie manta breeders send the smol mantas to forest to be juiced and the big ones to valley to race?
And formed a manta fan instead
bros,, is the prophecy,, bad? 
Idk
I think all the realms are part of one massive settlement (except isle)
Prairie is the outskirts/‘farming’ area.
Forest is a little further in and a little more industrialised.
The majority of the population lived in the valley. The valley was also likely the sports and entertainment centre of the city.
Not really sure what the wasteland was. How it is now could be entirely because of the war.
The vault is kinda like the Great library of Alexandria.
Eden is the very center.
Oh and also, maybe the faster ones were sent to valley as well, bc the ones at the ice rink in valley r faster and harder to catch up with than the ones at the other realms
Brrrrr
I know this bc I’ve tried to ride them multiple times 😔
Also, faster mantas r harder to catch to juice
And good for race
Mhm
Maybe they used to race them
So basically nyoooooom
Nyooooom indeed
Gotta go fast
Mantas are sonic in sky
much inch resting
Gotta go nyooom
Okay I need to go to school work now
Oof

Good luck mumbo
Have fun
oh gl!!
Bye
Bye 👋🏾
See ya
Bye
I should probably go too lol it’s getting late
Don’t be confused if u see me still spouting nonsense theories here tho
I have tons of theories that are crazy
hope u have a good restt
@sleek sail go sneep 
Hey @bitter shale, did you get enough sneep snorp today? 
Good luck and have a nice sneep yall
but like,, what is the prophecy? and what does it have to do with the elements ?
Nah mate its 11 pm
@bitter shale ayyy same time zone
We dont know jadecy also try to keep beta out of here as season didn't start
It starts tomorrow tho so at least we won’t have to wait too long 4 answers lol
Same here im broke lol
Esp. the korra hair lol
!omgomghaveyouseenthe
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@sleek sail indonesian? 
nom
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@pastel brook
sorry don’t krill me
@bitter shale Oop no Chicago time zone-
Ooh

Wait I can’t remember is it 11 pm or 11 am rn-
(please delete beta-related messages)
My best bet is chicago is 12 hours late than mine so i think its 11 pm there-
For me it’s 3 AM est time 🗿
Ah I see

time zones are everywhere
w h a t
@mellow falcon go sleeb
Im in the middle of class rn 
Oooof
Mood but also sleep
The reset is 2 pm for me 
Good :)
the reset’s 3 pm here 
sneeeeeep
Oh I meant the reset lol
Sneep 
anyway back to lore friends
Not the time rn
This is why i said dont talk about prophecy
o yea
So umm. Anyone got cool theories to share?
We can go straight to the cave at reset btw
Oop
Ok I won’t talk about it no more I’m just excited lel
wonder what happened to the treeessss
They cut all of it
chop

But shouldnt it be straight if they chopped it ??
They become minecraft and chop everything down
Trees fall?
Isnt there one chopping spirit
Like that one spirit whose memory is the whale or whatever crashing into it and making it fall
The bowing emote but that’s all tbh
Oh
Depends on what they were using to cut the trees down
Hands bet
Ik I said I’ll sleep but these theories are great
They bite the trees
Like if they had actual machines there would be a clean cut, yes, but with an axe or something of the sort it would be jagged
Nom
but if they cut them all down wouldnt they all be short- or of the same length then
Maybe they use those tree as some kind of shelter too so they didnt just cop them from the root
I came in here to say “t-minus 3 hours until Prophecy lore channel how we feeling” but now I’m curious about this too
Yea
But the trees are long
Toll
Maybe they cut them at a certain point
I think there were just lots of lorge light creatures that flew around and knocked stuff over bc they were so clumsy
You see the whale bones so
Like, before the spirits arrived
That could def make sense :0
Probably
Cause aren’t there a lot of tree stumps near that area
Tru
Its either they got whacked by timbers and died or leaving forest cause the trees are tall and large they cant move freely
Tru
Those were whale bones??? 
Or migration?

