lore-discussion-spoilers

[gray bridge]

yeah mann

[cyan sonnet]

Also I want a rouge sky kid

Probably didn’t spell that right

but I want to have to option of joining the dark side B)

Actually...

[hushed steeple]

we should be able to ride krill like mantas

[gray bridge]

AGREED

sky kids but they succumb to the darkness in season of darkness

[cyan sonnet]

What if there is no such thing as “dark taking over” like what if light/dark lived together in harmony... wait .... my theory is starting to sound like the plot of mlp-

we should be able to ride krill like mantas
@hushed steeple I tried to ride a krill once :’)

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple I tried to ride a krill once :’)
@cyan sonnet lol same it saw me and attacked i lost 3 wings

[cyan sonnet]

Yup :’)

same with me but idk if it caught me

[gray bridge]

krills don't have a physical body though so maybe that's why we can't ride em

[cyan sonnet]

True

[gray bridge]

then again we rode ghost mantas and ghost jellies so why not krills huhhh... but then again that was the dream section in vault... AAAA

[cyan sonnet]

However I feel that if a sky kid can harness the darkness and the power of darkness then it’s possible to feel grasp and therefore ride dark energy/power

[hushed steeple]

the krill and crabs just need a hug and some cookies

they are probably very sad that technology destroyed their home

[cyan sonnet]

Yep

They’re just salty animals

[hushed steeple]

:0 maybe the reason they are so angsty is bc their homes are polluted and thats why they attack us bc they know we caused it?

and we are the bad guys

[cyan sonnet]

Yup B))

I knew it

We’re actually bad :’)

Then again I don’t feel it’s very nice to blame me for the problems of my ancestors

[hushed steeple]

true true

[gray bridge]

yes true

those eldererrrs zzz what did they dooooooo

[cyan sonnet]

Also I’ve noticed that honks energize crabs like if they’re knocked down if you honk they’ll get up so I feel like we have a relationship with the animals (since the honk does smth positive for them)

[gray bridge]

actually the honk is supposed to knock them over, but if you honk multiple times the crabs can be overturned again

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah

But it’s still positive (kinda) :p

who created the elders?

[hushed steeple]

maybe the darkness

the elder krills

[gray bridge]

m e g a b i r d

[cyan sonnet]

O h m y

[gray bridge]

but we do know the elder were always elders

[hushed steeple]

those eldererrrs zzz what did they dooooooo
@gray bridge yes its all the elders fault and maybe they realize that they did something bad and use their knowledge (emotes) to help us get to eden and restore the peace with the crabs and krill

[cyan sonnet]

I wanna see a dark elder now...

Imma draw one when I have time I guess :’’)

[hushed steeple]

ooh with a krill cape and dark plant crown

:0 sky should get hats

[cyan sonnet]

Lmao yes

[gray bridge]

i think said this earlier but maybe it was greed for more than what endless light could offer, then they fell but then they got greedy again

sky does have hats

very nice hats

but i missed em all

[hushed steeple]

aw i want my avatar to have a nice fedora

[cyan sonnet]

who’s “they” in this... the elders? And what makes you think they fell twice?

[gray bridge]

elders

so in the intro sequence

there's all the elders

so then it shows them falling to the clouds where they made the various realms

but the second fall is more of the fall of the whole civilisation

lol

[hushed steeple]

ooh like the elders in the wasteland and forest didnt take car of their world?

care*

[gray bridge]

yeah i think was more of disregarding it and utilising the environment to create power diamonds for technological advancement

then again that's just a rough theory

[hushed steeple]

yeah and they tried to use the creatures as power? like when you burn the plants? and they became mean

[gray bridge]

hmmm maybe??

maybe they wanted to utilise their light or like

convert their kinetic energy to potential energy for whatever stuff they were making

like waterfall electricity generator thingies

[hushed steeple]

thats a good theory

[gray bridge]

just a theory... a game theory

ok im gonna log into the game now zzz this was fun :D

[hushed steeple]

yeah it was byeee

[cyan sonnet]

Bye all

[celest spoke]

Hey just realized that first gated courtyard in Forest was a dock for butterfly jar boats, tho not sure whether they could’ve gone thru the mural cave across from them

[chilly jewel]

I guess based on the concept art that they frequently come to the hidden forest to mine for the stones to the point of making docks and all :0

[wise cloud]

What are these and why're they at Isle

[swift helm]

That is from the season of lightseekers

There is a seasonal spirit from that season there

[hushed steeple]

What about this? I found this at the office

[gray bridge]

oyez that's confirmed that

different realms represent different stages of life

but the different stage of life thing is probably not related to the actual lore of sky tho

[young cosmos]

So no idea if anyone has come up with this at all(they probably have) but what if the ghost mantas in the final area of the vault represents all of the elder spirits coming up to the top of the vault to meet you, since you see them all in the following cutscene?

[mossy trellis]

That game company calls winged lights imprints of children of light

Wait, what if the krill are good and trying to stop you from dying in eden and your winged lights can return to the elders where they use it to corrupt the kingdom even though they seem to be good.

[orchid crypt]

that doesn't seem entirely likely considering the first krill we see has the same reaction towards a random manta

as in, there'd be no reason to attack a manta in the same way if it's not carrying any winged lights

[lavish wolf]

So I'm 99% sure people have already pointed this out, but still:
There are elder faces engraved on the gates. The Eden gate has, in order: Prairie, Forest, Vault, Wasteland, and Valley elders. So everyone except for Isle.
Idk what this means. Maybe Isle of Dawn wasn't on the best terms with Eye of Eden or something like that. Does Vault being in the middle mean anything? Dunno
Edit: I am dummy

[ember zodiac]

Do u also notice that the Dawn elder face is broken in the cutscene?

[hushed steeple]

@lavish wolf isle of dawn was only a tutorial level in old beta... So they omit isle elder from eden gate ..

But they should update it i think

[spring blaze]

iirc the eden gate used ingame was the same as the one in the prelaunch beta, where isle was more of a tutorial than an actual realm

yeah i agree with amio

[lavish wolf]

Ooohhh ok

[spring blaze]

give isle grampa some love

[hushed steeple]

Bruh

[cold steppe]

ginsy how is that so big

[sly kestrel]

Ginsy make sticker now

[spring blaze]

its an image lol

[cold steppe]

Oh fair

[unborn fog]

Ehehdndnwnsndnd well hello large skykid

[split marsh]

I think I finally understand why does the golden boi give you winged light.. I think 🤔

[spring blaze]

the particles

[split marsh]

It's interesting

The amount of details in this game

[modern cradle]

yep

[hushed steeple]

Is it coincidence that the cloud looks as some animal or something similar?

[wild lintel]

Do you think that the tiny secondary fins on the norma mantas are vestigial fins from the quadwinged ones?

Tho it’s definitely present on real life mantas too, so it could just be coincidence

*normal

[indigo sage]

I was wondering, what gives the sky kids the ability to fly? They need their capes, for a start. But what is the cape made of? would it be an organic material, or would it be made by those diamond farm things?

If somebody has any clue, feel free to @ me since I have the server muted

[lethal stump]

@indigo sage the theory goes that capes (and anything a skykid wears) is made of light. our clothes don’t actually « exist »

[indigo sage]

Ah, thanks!

[sinful anvil]

i thought skykids are like demigods

[primal vault]

Yo

[potent gate]

is it just me or the home island looks like an hourglass, also home space is the only realm that has moving time of day right

[lethal stump]

i think home is removed from lore

although if you can work it into your theory more power to u

[short owl]

I do notice that the homespace has a cape constilation on the little rock we are born on and yeeted onto.

This is similar to the manta symbol on the platform we use to turn off the rain

[gleaming anchor]

Oo

[sweet swift]

i thought symbol in the forest represents jellyfishes you summon? it kinda looks more like them

[forest dragon]

Yea, like how daylight prarie is the mantas-

[sweet swift]

exactly!

battlefield button platform needs a krill constellation carved on it

[elder iron]

noticed these statues here holding a power diamond? i also noticed a statue just like these in the part where you see the giant power diamond up close. perhaps these people were like vault people but higher up ooorrr old times vault people (since most vault people have the head piece)

[sweet dirge]

[shell sluice]

hi does anyone have all the mural locations?

[nova widget]

There are ofcourse the main ones in isle, however some require the spirits to see. There is one under a bridge to the right in the dock part of the forest, when it first starts raining. That's all that's coming to mind right now, but they've helped me learn some lore and piece things together. I would recommend just going through and watching all of the cutscenes.

[spring blaze]

• the little tunnel in isle when you firs enter
• all spirit cutscenes in isle has murals
• murals on a ramp in isle upon lighting up candles
• murals in isle temple
• murals in the towers in birds nest, prairie
• murals by the first area of forest upon entering the gate
• murals under a bridge in the first gated area
• murals in ark

that’s all i can think of at the top of my head

[nova widget]

You were way better at this than I lol

[spring blaze]

i really scoured the game when i got into lore

[shell sluice]

haha im just starting with friend so we starting with the murals

im gonna watch all cut scenes soon

when im bored bc all constellations 😠 done

[round river]

Mural in ark's cave

[ebon nymph]

i wonder how to keep flying steadily after being swept by the storm in wasteland...

[orchid crypt]

you mean the whirlwind at the start? it's probably best to try and hit the sand as soon as possible

[ebon nymph]

yes

[orchid crypt]

you can seemingly skip the blackout cutscene if you land far enough away or on top of a stone structure, but you can still actually trigger the blackout scene if you land on the sand in certain areas -- better to get it out of the way so it doesn't disorientate you later

[ebon nymph]

thanks, I once accidentally managed to fly and reached the stone structure and never succeeded since then lol

[orchid crypt]

i'm not sure exactly what variables are taken into account, but i suspect where you jump into the cyclone/how you're flung around factors in a bit

i've gone on some very different trajectories even though i've never touched the screen after getting pulled in

[ebon nymph]

oh yes and I feel harder to change my heading even though i pull it hard😂

[sly kestrel]

Hmm I wonder where lore discussion went
I can’t find it anywhere

[shell sluice]

dang i went through the "search" and looked at murals and i need to look at a lot to understand lore LOL

[sly kestrel]

Ehh u won’t find much
Try reading the pins first and looking at the stuff in the live-streams
There is no current figured out story of the game and no one rlly knows it so the best thing you can do it jus make ur own story out of the stuff u see

Oh and read the intro cutscene
It’s the most important thing we have rn

[shell sluice]

yes yes my friend and i are going through the murals rn but we alwasy call sky children golems LMAO

[sly kestrel]

oh Snapple
U jus started sky 😳

[shell sluice]

no no lol

we just never really looked at this stuff

[sly kestrel]

Oh

[shell sluice]

we both are basically done with our constellations so we are looking into the murals and cutscenes more

[sly kestrel]

Well, a lot of ppl ignore it
Bc of all the vague story telling, most ppl think the story is jus about a skykid going nyooom with friends

[shell sluice]

yea i was always very confused when i started with the intro storyline but then it continue much

[sly kestrel]

Rlly? I wasn’t confused

Well

Have fun lore hunting!!

[shell sluice]

oh no i understood it but after when the story telling kind of fades off i was lost haha

thank youusss

[mild lark]

Can I ask a question? On Golden wasteland it seem to have alot of giant bone sticking out... What creature is that. Is it the krill?

[crisp arch]

probably whales?

[heady sinew]

I feel so out of touch with Sky lately,,,, is this the seasonal-holiday effect?
I can't wait for the next season to come up with theories and stuff

[jagged crown]

why cloud give us energy

i understand the use of it mechanically

but lorewise

[eager shore]

We... need...to hydrate... yes. That's clearly it

[mild lark]

@crisp arch hmm .... Flying whales?

[crisp arch]

what?

[heady sinew]

Aren't clouds made of evaporated water or something? Maybe all those super small water droplets reflect the sun's light, so touching them will recharge us

[crisp arch]

clouds help reflect light and heat away from earth

so it makes sense

[short owl]

Maybe they recharge us via mechanics similar to friends. If we get close, they reflect our light directly back at us, preventing us from losing light that's being naturally generated by our passengers

because this light would normally be lost to the open world, being near such a reflective surface has a net positive on our light storage

[jagged crown]

the cloud in dark places like wasteland still recharge us i think

[mild lark]

Shouldn't the sun give us recharge

[hushed steeple]

Shouldn't the sun give us recharge
@mild lark yeah but the clouds reflect the energy of the sun and its too far away anyways

[sinful anvil]

that moment when u studied climate and still forgot about clouds

yeah they absorb heat

[orchid crypt]

you could argue that the clouds might store some of the sun's UV rays or light like a glow-in-the-dark material, but that might be reading a bit too much into it when light can seemingly form physical matter in the game

[sinful anvil]

i have a feeling skykids are human tbh. more specifically, they may not be made of flesh n bones but rather clouds or some paradise associated things

[orchid crypt]

they're considerably more durable than us in some ways, considering how they can still get up and walk after being battered around so badly

[lethal stump]

tbh i think they’re made of clay
especially since devs said they used fired clay to make sound effects for the skykids interacting with objects

iirc

don’t quote me on that

[orchid crypt]

ah, that gives a bit more context to why i saw people theorising that they're clay dolls -- though i thought clay and water generally don't mix well

[dull fox]

So this is kinda a noob question and I’m probably interrupting something, but I gotta know, what genders are the twins? I’ve always assumed that one was male and the other female but I just wanted to make sure before I seem like a bigger idiot than I already do

[lethal stump]

one is male and one is female
which is which ? that’s for u to decide
personally i think they like pretending to be the other gender and confusing the other elders because fred and george energy

[dull fox]

Ok

Ok

I wasn’t really confused

[orchid crypt]

i'm actually not sure if we've got an explicit confirmation on that, do we? though that seems to be the common assumption that they're one of each, yeah

[lethal stump]

i think we did i just don’t remember when

[dull fox]

Because I saw a fanart Someone made where they both were very muscly men and I was like “wait what”

[lethal stump]

i mean, it’s ok if people have their headcanons

[dull fox]

Yeah

[lethal stump]

i thought they were brothers at first lol

[dull fox]

People can do and think what they want

I’m just making an assumption based on hair

XD

[lethal stump]

lol

[dull fox]

Anyways thanks guys

:p

[lethal stump]

also @orchid crypt i don’t understand your water and clay comment

if it’s fired clay it’s resistant to water

[orchid crypt]

ah, that would make more sense -- i was thinking it'd be of a more muddy consistency since they can actually bend their limbs

[lethal stump]

i mean, if these are magic light creatures i wouldn’t put it past them to be able to move

[orchid crypt]

a lot of real life physics doesn't apply here with how things are, yeah

[lethal stump]

yeah sjdjdhhf

[cinder yacht]

the clouds may just have special properties

certain types of water can hurt you,

so maybe the clouds are an example of restorative water

[hollow pier]

Can I ask a question? On Golden wasteland it seem to have alot of giant bone sticking out... What creature is that. Is it the krill?
@mild lark
probably whales?
@crisp arch the ribcages and skulls in graveyard golden wasteland don't match any creature in sky we know of; and they certainly don't match the ribcages of the whales (the forest ribcage is structured differently)

[crisp arch]

I guess so

[hollow pier]

i have a feeling skykids are human tbh. more specifically, they may not be made of flesh n bones but rather clouds or some paradise associated things
@sinful anvil if the intro is anything to go off, we're made of stardust or solid light

[crisp arch]

I just said that cuz they're the biggest animal we've seen so far

[hollow pier]

one is male and one is female
which is which ? that’s for u to decide
personally i think they like pretending to be the other gender and confusing the other elders because fred and george energy
@lethal stump
i'm actually not sure if we've got an explicit confirmation on that, do we? though that seems to be the common assumption that they're one of each, yeah
@orchid crypt there was a live stream where they addressed this very question and I think they said they're F and M but also neither? I'm not sure if it's in my canon doc or not

[lethal stump]

i mean, does it matter ? they’re cool, that’s what matters

[mild lark]

We shouldn't put human standard to spiritual being...

[brave socket]

Yo i wanna ask is there a way for us to die faster in eden? I keep getting reborn and i just wanna die

[lethal stump]

#eden-spoilers

[hollow pier]

"Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed."

That's not the quote I was looking for krill it

[burnt dagger]

Aren't clouds made of evaporated water or something? Maybe all those super small water droplets reflect the sun's light, so touching them will recharge us
@heady sinew
hence my theory on instant recharge potions.
condensed clouds= water
instant recharge potion= 5 candles

condensed clouds in a recharge potion= 5 candles to drink a bottle of water

sorey im late but i just had to comment-

[hollow pier]

@burnt dagger holy krill that's great I love it

[primal vault]

I don’t understand science but good job

[ripe turtle]

if skykids, elders, spirits, and etc are genderless.. how do they reproduce??

that was a strange thing to ask nvm

[swift helm]

Like the hands on hip stance?

[ripe turtle]

oh wai--

cOnFuSiON

[turbid spade]

just think of them like amoeba. if that makes you feel better

or vegetative plants

😎

[hollow pier]

@ripe turtle there's some canon around this actually, since we know that the elders were always elders and that mantas and jellyfish just come into existence from ambient light when bells are rung, and there's bells ringing when we approach the gate in orbit; it's a good bet that they don't reproduce

instead they're made either naturally or manufactured from light

The megabird probably does this intentionally, and the nest (in praire) does this unintentionally

[mild lark]

Is the elders immortal?

[hollow pier]

Immortal? Probably yes; invulnerable? No

[mild lark]

I just really want to know what creature that died at the battlefield....

Alot of bones

And huge

[rancid flame]

@mild lark maybe thoes larva?

[marble gulch]

o

[mild lark]

Hmm

Are they defending the building too?

Seems unlikely because they look wild

[rancid flame]

Hmm

[mild lark]

Or maybe got attacked by krill when the battle is over

[rancid flame]

I just feel like saying this, but were they tamed by the elder s?

Xd

[mild lark]

Yeah that a possiblity

[rancid flame]

Like silk worms

To make more capes or something

[celest fossil]

There is that one glowing stone in forest when you enter the underground area what does that glowing stone means? I know there where people who've talked about it but I forgot it..

[round river]

Probably a diamond

[burnt dagger]

maybe the underground is accessible because they farmed it for diamonds to put in the diamond factory

could explain the jars and different entry points/exits/ doors

[turbid spade]

spirit have eyes that looked like diamonds. meanwhile we are flat-faced

[velvet sonnet]

Man, I didnt realize that

[short owl]

Kinda personal but I like the idea that sky kids, elders and spirits have no natural gender. At most, they choose their presentation from the tools provided to them, and no one can be hard on them for their choices.

Plus, there's something special about having the same gender as my sky kid (a big )

[sinful anvil]

to be no gender and every gender, thats so cool

[drifting heart]

Glasses have been around in human history for a really long time.

Also guys I've been meaning to ask but..

Other than this shot in game and this concept art, do we truly know what the Megabird actually looks like?

[hushed steeple]

!betaspoilers

[pastel brook]

Content from the beta is considered a spoiler and shouldn’t be posted in this channel. To ask or post about it, scroll down to the beta-related channels like #beta-discussion and #beta-screenshots-videos. Thank you!

[pine jacinth]

Removing

Ty

[hushed steeple]

We can't discuss any beta contents here Once it'll in live and we'll be able to talk about it

[pine jacinth]

Gotcha

[cold steppe]

@hushed steeple you might want to remove yours as well

[hushed steeple]

Oh ya thanks for reminding

[hollow turtle]

Today, tgc has released a video with the artist. They mention that the realms are design with 3 themes: stage of lifes, stages of a day and civilization progress. I didn't know about the civilization part and was wondering if someone has written something about that or could explain me how that works

[sinful anvil]

ive seen ||the office|| and some objects that exist in the real world (like pots, boats). i thought these are there just to look pretty

[merry kestrel]

@hollow turtle home looks like Stonehenge ig thats where we start

[sinful anvil]

now thinking about it they lowkey show human civilization progress? at the start we make pottery and travel by boat, and those pots and boats dont look modern as today. then in valley of triumph we start to see our era in them. golden wasteland reminds me of warnings of climate change and over-influence of human activity

[zinc egret]

This has nothing to do with anything but the valley of triumph more like valley of downward spiral constellation looks like hockey sticks and I think that’s really neat

[sinful anvil]

starting to see a bit connections in this and history of progress by ronald wright (going more academic here), who argues civilization progress is accelerating and we need to be careful to not accelerate beyond nature’s capability to recover. in sky the golden wasteland can b interpreted that way perhaps

its kinda hard but from realm to realm we can see progress of civilization. at first it’s pots and boats, and then some recognizable items (like ||the office||). then perhaps bc of overconsumption n overproducing, we have golden wasteland

(but even wasteland has ancient looking boats, and the realms dont look into speed of progress)

maybe the theme of civilization is looking into the past like hollow knight (archaeology wink wink)

[orchid crypt]

isle of dawn: practically barren with no buildings (if you ignore the temple)

daylight prairie: structures reminiscent of windmills, elder shown bottling a butterfly

hidden forest: clear signs of technology at the temple

valley of triumph: almost looks roman in architecture, celebrating sporting events in a large stadium (civilisation advanced far enough for some pretty big scale buildings and pastimes)

golden wastelands: signs of war (i.e. technology developed to fight) as well as industrial pollution (metalworking with the pipes?)

vault: seemingly some kind of mystical technology to make projections and elevators, seems very interested in documenting history

i had to bend the reading a bit to suit the "progressing civilisation" idea, but i guess you can kind of say it's there: they definitely built up into something quite grand at the valley of triumph, before something went horribly wrong at golden wasteland

[hollow turtle]

wowow thank you for all these answers, such a cool community ^^

[sinful anvil]

the vault is so fitting at the end before eden ... some humans think its important to leave relics of the past for the future to look over

[orchid crypt]

that idea of leaving behind a relic of some kind also matches quite well with human desires in old age

[sinful anvil]

then what’s the symbolism of eden? why is it such a huge door? why is it the last level as if it is a culmination?

i think it must be the breaking point. that civilization went so devastating & vulnerable

[hollow turtle]

some golden wastelands items reminds of wwI, and yeah, all those metal pipes, and the shipwreck relates to what @sinful anvil said about Ronald Wright

[orchid crypt]

eden almost felt like a reckoning to me: something about the gigantic door and the climb up a huge mountain made me think of greek mythology for a moment

[sinful anvil]

the problem is the realms dont capture progress v well. they’re just like different stages

one can make a thesis paper out of this

[orchid crypt]

there's a lot of interpretations we can make, yeah, but i'm not sure we can say most of these are accurate to what the actual lore is

[hollow turtle]

I personally feel like Vault was futuristic, like, I wouldn't have been surprised if I saw a gigant computer screen somewhere, even, we can travel to the Office there. Also, maybe tgc idea of progress includes that search and protection for knowledge

[orchid crypt]

vault pretty much jumped straight past computer screens and went with projections, the way it felt to me

like they didn't need monitors, they could do holograms

[sinful anvil]

gosh i thought this game is gonna be all about nature but they also worked modernity into this. sky god-children exploring modern civilization, thats beautiful

[hollow turtle]

there's a lot of interpretations we can make, yeah, but i'm not sure we can say most of these are accurate to what the actual lore is
@orchid crypt I agree with you, but I feel that those are different/parallel things: in one hand, all that lore and in the other hand, all the subtle themes of stages

[orchid crypt]

maybe tgc idea of progress includes that search and protection for knowledge
that's kind of how things feel in the real world now: we're still trying to develop new kinds of machines and the like, but "technology" nowadays is more about the pursuit of knowledge than it is the creation of physical tools, if that makes sense?

[sinful anvil]

it went from physical to mental

[orchid crypt]

like a few centuries ago, it'd be about which civilisations have managed to harness fuel to make cars run, and then who could build the best planes; now everything's a lot more about intangible knowledge (particularly programming and internet-related capabilities)

[sinful anvil]

as civilization grew so did quest for knowledge. as quest for knowledge grew the opposite went for technological items’ physical size

thats what i was under the impression of

[orchid crypt]

i guess growing civilisations are always pursuing new knowledge, but the kinds of tools they make with that knowledge has definitely changed over time

[hollow turtle]

also, I don't control to much of the lore, but iirc the black rocks technology that started developing in the hidden forest (quite rudimentary in the first map, and more developed in the bridge and the temple) was the leading motive of the sky world decay. So, we are reliving the progress (Valley) and slow decay (Wasteland) until the climax of the destruction (Eden). So, could the Vault be... like a Noe's Ark?

[chilly kestrel]

so, my understanding of the happenings:

• the planet and the sky used to be unified and the star people could come and go as they pleased...
• ...until the king did a Big Bad in eden (see the mural where he eats the "apple"), related to the light energy/crystals. as those are power sources, the metaphorical meaning is that the king valued power more than human connection, which would absolutely lead to downfall in this world
  *this may or may not be the trigger for the "darkness" as well? and a war??? unclear. either way, i think the "eating of the apple" was the catalyst for nearly all implied unrest in the game
• or the reverse - the darkness came and the king thought it was the best course of action/a good excuse to do the bad. either way:
• the children of light are stars that got trapped down on the planet due to the king's actions. you are one of the stars and you have been sent down to bring the other kids home (like a fallen angel, sort of, or an angel disguised as a human)
• when you sacrifice all your winged lights at the end of eden, you also sacrifice your own, leaving only your dark half. thus, the kid you hug at the end is yourself! you also need your dark half to physically manifest in a way that matters. kinda like that whole original sin thing in Christianity

[orchid crypt]

it'd add more meaning to why it's called "Vault" then -- they're trying to protect things from being lost

i've yet to check out the murals properly, but now that you mention it, sounds like they might contain a lot of extra detail i've been overlooking

[chilly kestrel]

i was actually thinking of the forgotten ark rather than vault, lol.

[orchid crypt]

though on your second last point: my understanding is that we're a separate kind of being known as "sky kids", while the winged lights we've been collecting are "imprints of a child of light", according to the devs at one point...there's some kind of distinction, though i don't know what it means

[chilly kestrel]

yeah! my theory is this:
You are one of the "imprints" who's still in heaven/orbit before the game starts. you have to be corrupted with darkness to get the ones trapped down there back, if that makes sense!

[orchid crypt]

i'm not sure if the game makes a distinction between body and soul/spirit, but i've always rolled with the idea that the sky kids' bodies are actually made out of dark matter rather than light -- their skin's quite dark, and it'd make sense in terms of how they're able to "absorb" light

[chilly kestrel]

yeah that's exactly what i mean

[orchid crypt]

they don't outwardly look like beings of light if they're damaged to the point that you actually lose your hair

[chilly kestrel]

yes!!!!! the "darkness" is the body and they need to have it to have a physical form. skykids are also glowy from the inside! the eyes.

[orchid crypt]

actually, that's an interesting point: the eye glow is supposedly just from the mask

their actual faces seem almost featureless

there's one cosmetic that's like "maskless", and it's just their blank face that you see when you lose all your light

[chilly kestrel]

intresting

[sinful anvil]

they dont look like they have mouths :v

[orchid crypt]

they don't, no -- it only occurred to me earlier today that it's probably because we usually can't talk in-game, hence why most communication with other players is done with gestures

[chilly kestrel]

a sky kid's birth is a reverse of the sacrifice at the end of the game. you gain darkness (sin) to go down to earth, and then lose light (leaving only your dark half) to save those you can

a sky kid's life is... v sad

[orchid crypt]

i'm kind of wondering whether "darkness" in this game is necessarily evil -- that's a fairly western concept of light and darkness

there's also the yin-yang angle on it, where it's the idea that everything should exist in balance

[chilly kestrel]

yeah, that too. i hope that comes up

[orchid crypt]

that'd mean that if both the sky kids and krill are darkness-based creatures, their defining difference is "greed": krills try to take whatever light they can get on animalistic urges (instinctive hunger, maybe?) whereas the sky kids are clearly benign and seem to go around sharing what light they've gathered

[chilly kestrel]

so far there's a fair amount of Christian theology in the game, imo, with darkness representing sin and light representing the soul/purity/uncorruption.

[sinful anvil]

the possibility that skykids are darkness (sin) underneath while our actions and choices are for some the opposite is interesting

[chilly kestrel]

in journey there was a theory that the guardians were trying to collect your cloth for their long dead masters - i wonder if there's something up with the krills?

[sinful anvil]

you can say we are born of sins yet we can choose to be kind and save as many spirits as we can

[chilly kestrel]

yeah ^

[orchid crypt]

oh, about the christian theology thing: there's an excerpt from an old interview which is pretty interesting in that context -- the creator said that he didn't want to make a religious game, even though it's a deeply spiritual experience

https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/pennies-from-heaven-thatgamecompanys-jenova-chen-on-monetisation-in-sky-children-of-the-light/

[chilly kestrel]

ah! i got that vibe. i think religon is a good way of contextualizing the world we have, though, especially considering the whole eden/ressurection/heaven thing

[orchid crypt]

i don't think the lore setting of sky is meant to be based on any one set of cultures, though the architecture itself was from certain parts of asia to evoke a more exotic atmosphere for most people

[chilly kestrel]

totally. i'm not dying by the framework i'm giving it, it's just the one that makes the most sense to me.

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i agree that it's a great tool for reading into and breaking down things

[chilly kestrel]

krills also seem empty. a skykid has a nice golden light whereas a krill or an ancestor has a blue light. hmmm

HM

[gray bridge]

actually in skykids, they do have a blue spirit in them

something like that?

[orchid crypt]

yeah now that you mention it, your floating spirit is blue in colour if you're following a friend around in the last part of eden

[chilly kestrel]

oooooh

[sinful anvil]

likewise i dont think it is connected to christianity that much but rather we choose to see it. for me its just seeing the opposite things like light and dark, nature and civilization. there are gods but hey doesnt multiple religions do

[orchid crypt]

the krill...almost sound mechanical when they fly over you

[chilly kestrel]

and the krill are generally found in wasteland - a strongly industrial looking area

and eden is unrecognizable but there are bits that look like rebar and pipeline

[orchid crypt]

yeah, there're some pretty industrial bits to eden jutting out, and i think that giant red crystal at the end is probably the same kind of thing we saw back in the hidden forest's temple...just much bigger

[chilly kestrel]

!!! oooh

[orchid crypt]

whatever it was, it felt like it was a reactor of some kind

[chilly kestrel]

the red crystals absorb energy. i wonder if that was like... a way to collect more energy, but it went way wrong?

[orchid crypt]

it'd make sense thematically, yeah; as far back as daylight prairie, we saw them trying to harness light in some way (butterfly put into a jar)

i'm not entirely sure what the dawn elder was doing though, if someone has any ideas on that one

[chilly kestrel]

yes! okay: the king wasn't satisfied even with the immense prosperity of his land and people and wanted more, and thus "ate the apple": created the massive red crystal. but it went wrong - he was abusing the power given to him and asking too much and it destroyed himself and his world

[orchid crypt]

have you heard about the idea of a civil war in golden wasteland?

[chilly kestrel]

vaugely

whatever it is there was definitely war of some kind

[gray bridge]

yeso yeso

[orchid crypt]

someone put forward the idea that the war was between the wasteland elder and the king

[chilly kestrel]

hm

[gray bridge]

well

there are two symbols on the weapons seen

sun and diamond

who was on what side? we don't know

[chilly kestrel]

ooooooooh

[gray bridge]

there was also another theory that it was between naturalists and industrialists

what's the wasteland elder and king one though o; i've never heard of that one

[orchid crypt]

it was based on the idea of how some of the blockades were positioned around the "castle", if we could call it that

looked less like the castle defending itself and more an attack on it

[chilly kestrel]

i feel like if you could "end" the game you would destroy the massive red crystal

[orchid crypt]

it makes me wonder if that's what the earlier sky kid statues were trying to do: why else would we have found some statues so far out towards the crystal?

[chilly kestrel]

i think that's the light kids that tried to make it back to orbit, but as they collected darkness they got stuck there?

[orchid crypt]

@gray bridge i forgot one very critical point to the idea about a civil war between the wasteland elder and the king: in some concept art, there're notes depicting him as a "corrupted king"

[chilly kestrel]

but that also makes sense

oooh: dark stone important

butterflies yellow, wl yellow, stones/ancestors blue.

and a red stone is a oneup from a blue stone and closer to yellow on the color wheel, but like, bad

[orchid crypt]

we obviously can't take a lot of the stuff in the old concept art as absolute canon since they may have been revised, but the king's character design still exists as a statue in-game

[gray bridge]

huh so the 'castle' in wasteland is where the king was?

so what's the floaty structure in orbit o:

[chilly kestrel]

mmmm no

i don't think that, i think the castle is the floaty thing

[orchid crypt]

with the theory i was reading, no: the king resided at eden i believe

[steep coyote]

i don't think the lore setting of sky is meant to be based on any one set of cultures, though the architecture itself was from certain parts of asia to evoke a more exotic atmosphere for most people
@orchid crypt
The architecture is from Tibet, Bauthan (?) :3

[orchid crypt]

the castle would've probably been commanded by the wasteland elder as one of his "knights", you could say, but the belief is that they turned on each other

yeah, i couldn't remember the exact location the architecture was taken from without reading the whole article

i just remembered that that was the one specific thing mentioned as direct inspiration, while the lore was meant to draw from a wider range of influences

[chilly kestrel]

yeah, staying solely christian is not right but it's the best framework i have

i can also see it as a fight between chaos and order as in ancient egypt, where red is the color of death?

[orchid crypt]

red does seem to imply danger in sky, yeah, between the crystals and the alert phase of the krills

[gray bridge]

many candles are also red though

[orchid crypt]

i wouldn't read too far into it though, as in, red candles are still perfectly safe

[chilly kestrel]

but red has the implication in many other works, so lol

[gray bridge]

let's just say red is a symbol of multiple things in sky

[chilly kestrel]

sky feels like a fight against entropy and apathy

i can also see the focus on Resurrection/coming back as a Buddhism thing. it's not "eternal life" as a christian thing but a cycle

ultimately getting too detailed with the lore defeats the point; thatgamecompany tells stories in wide, sweeping strokes, and it's about the overarching message, not the little things.

[gray bridge]

i think that's a result of good storytelling (to me), that we get so invested and crave for answers we ultimately don't need

like... ahhhh i need to use my translator again

[drifting heart]

Sorta like with Freddy's story.
It's told the same way Sky is doing it.

Wide strokes.

[gray bridge]

with such wide gaps, naturally we'd want to fill it. who said we couldn't? and curiosity and intrigue is natural. so i do think it is completely fine that we can try to fill them as much as we can, although there are really endless possibilities. after all, it's the result of our engagement with the story sky has given to us. it doesn't leave us so confused until we just dismiss it as almost plot-less and 'lAzY sToRyTeLliNg' but instead, the story is a wider painting we view from afar, but can't see the small details. we still appreciate it - we just wish we could get closer.

man my brain at 1 am... thanks for coming to my ted talk if you read all that

[digital prism]

damn those some true words tho

[drifting heart]

Truest words tbh.

[sly kestrel]

Hey res

You dropped this

👑

[opaque mango]

All came from light. Eden was like the center of light or something. The other elders took the light from eden to create their realms and stuff. Eden elder tried to make more light but uh darkness and they had to send the realms into the clouds. The elders thought they were safe but darkness spread and the realms fell. The skykid is living a previous life before the realms died h (Orbit is heaven)
The spirits were just villagers that fled to other realms

[cold steppe]

You don’t have to use spoilers in here, but thanks for being mindful!

[opaque mango]

oh wh- no need to spoiler tag?

[agile sun]

It's lore, no need!

[hushed steeple]

Nope

[opaque mango]

Oh ok

[cold steppe]

Not here! Hence the spoilers part of #lore-discussion-spoilers

[opaque mango]

Time to edit--

[cold steppe]

It lets people know that this channel has spoilers in it that are being discussed freely

[steel wigeon]

Lovely

[hushed steeple]

Your name lol

[opaque mango]

h

[steel wigeon]

So who says skykids aren't just reborn spirits who lived so long they forgot who they are

[gray rivet]

Eden reminds me of a nuclear power plant meltdown

[cold steppe]

Skykids aren’t spirits

The devs have confirmed this

[steel wigeon]

Nvm then

[cold steppe]

They’re not the same “species,” for lack of a better word, at all

[opaque mango]

oh

[gray rivet]

The chunks of rock falling like graphite and concrete

[opaque mango]

Subspecies i heard?

[steel wigeon]

Lotsa theories gone awry w that sentence

[opaque mango]

ye lmao

[cold steppe]

Hage, the author of the doc, used subspecies as a descriptor but the devs didn’t use it

[steel wigeon]

Aliens inhabiting after a spiecies died out it is then

[cold steppe]

All notes are Hage’s comments and aren’t by the devs

[gray rivet]

Basically

[opaque mango]

For me like skykids have to keep living a previous life and dying and reborn everytime

but eh

[steel wigeon]

For me like skykids have to keep living a previous life and dying and reborn everytime
@opaque mango they can never feel peace can't they

[gray rivet]

Maybe not extra terrestrials but hard to say how exactly star kids reached the world of Sky

[opaque mango]

the spirits when they became spirits (d e a d), they lived in darkness until the skykid relieved their memories (The spirits couldnt go to orbit)

[gray rivet]

Maybe some mixture of whatever the spirits were combined with other species

[hushed steeple]

The Eye of Eden is the roots of all the corruption, destruction and evil that later on went further and further to infect more realms until they infected the minds of the people apart of the ancient civilization which caused an internal, violent civil war that would be the total destruction of the civilization and it's people's.

[opaque mango]

my brain awake at 1 am i

[cold steppe]

I know there’s a theory that skykids were specifically created by some entity, perhaps the megabird, to save the spirits or so

[steel wigeon]

In a way I feel like we're the aliens looking at the memories of that robot kid from the movie Artificial Intelligence (A.I.)

[gray rivet]

It could also be that sky kids were engineered by the spirits race via some technology

[cold steppe]

There’s another one that skykids are the reincarnation of the Eden elder and/or king

[gray rivet]

But engineered primitive and designed to evolve into what we see now

[opaque mango]

There was eden elder, but they died and is the shiny boi you hug when you die before orbit timeee
The temple was prob around the point of no return?

[cold steppe]

This theory is based on the fact that the devs said that skykids have some sort of connection to the Child of Light

[steel wigeon]

It could also be that sky kids were engineered by the spirits race via some technology
@gray rivet honestly wouldn't be surprised

[cold steppe]

Some think the child of light is the king and/or Eden elder

But we don’t know for sure

[opaque mango]

i feel bad for eden elder with my theory h

[cold steppe]

I doubt the spirits engineered skykids though

If anything, it would be the elders or higher beings

[opaque mango]

skykids are elders of homespace

[steel wigeon]

Isn't child of light (winged light) just dead statues from Eden but with their soul released?

[opaque mango]

the statues are dead skykids

[cold steppe]

The devs have mentioned this child of light in the live-streams before

[gray rivet]

It’s interesting that sky kids can use spirits tech though 🤷‍♂️

[cold steppe]

Winged light are imprints of the child of light. Singular child of light

[hushed steeple]

The statues ARE dead skykids, that is true.

[opaque mango]

The shiny bois you get maybe the skykids are the shiny bois but like wearing stuff

[cold steppe]

The canon lore doc is pretty interesting to read through

[opaque mango]

[steel wigeon]

One soul split into multiple parts and scattered all over universe then

Fun

[opaque mango]

i read it everytime

Enchantment lore?

[cold steppe]

It’s also really short

[gray rivet]

Where can I find that canon info?

[cold steppe]

In the pins here!

[steel wigeon]

Ah right

[hollow pier]

though on your second last point: my understanding is that we're a separate kind of being known as "sky kids", while the winged lights we've been collecting are "imprints of a child of light", according to the devs at one point...there's some kind of distinction, though i don't know what it means
@orchid crypt the sky kids are also referred to as children of light occasionally by the devs; I think CoL refers to all the children of the megabird

[steel wigeon]

The tragic past of any seasonal spirit
Fun

[cold steppe]

Hi Hage!

[opaque mango]

Enchantment:
The lights powered the boat and the shops, they were traders ready to sell their stuff
the boat crashed, the lights went yeet the enchantment spirits had to live in ark and died

[steel wigeon]

Ironically enough, despite my name
I do not spend a lot of time in this forum

[opaque mango]

This is fun

[steel wigeon]

It is

[hushed steeple]

Nah, I think it was more than an accident, azreel.

[opaque mango]

[steel wigeon]

They did farm and set up a life there

[opaque mango]

Yea

How did they die? idk

[steel wigeon]

Death?

[opaque mango]

S p i r i t s

[steel wigeon]

Ye

[opaque mango]

isnt there an ark krill

hm

did they get krilled

[steel wigeon]

Only one I really remeber seeing dying is those in the cave in the forrest (crying emote)

[opaque mango]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

Truly, that realm is a very important place, it served as the trade hub of the ancient civilization, so in the civil war there was a annihilating battle which wiped out many lives.

[steel wigeon]

So like deaths deaths aren't my special

[opaque mango]

Mining trip went wrong

[cold steppe]

Faint spirit is dying

[gray rivet]

Interesting in the lore it says “Now we call to you” after “if only they had listened”. Is it possible that sky kids are in fact a contingency to any potential disaster for the spirit race

[opaque mango]

I think faint died from a krill injury h

[cold steppe]

I think faint spirit is actually a death. The spirit is wounded, probably fatally

[opaque mango]

im not alone with that theory

[hushed steeple]

No, the faint spirit is playing dead to protect himself from danger.

[steel wigeon]

Interesting in the lore it says “Now we call to you” after “if only they had listened”. Is it possible that sky kids are in fact a contingency to any potential disaster for the spirit race
@gray rivet poor them if they count on people who yeet themselves at krills

[opaque mango]

I think the they had listened the they are the elders

[cold steppe]

Agreed

[opaque mango]

@hushed steeple thats another theory ive heard too

[hushed steeple]

But playing dead didn't work, and he, ironically, died as a cause of foolishly playing dead.

[cold steppe]

Oh interesting

That would actually fit well

[opaque mango]

wasteland water drowned!1!1!!

[hushed steeple]

It was killed!!!!!

[gray rivet]

It’s a tale of a self inflicted apocalypse I believe

[hushed steeple]

In what realm do you find that playing dead spirit again?

[cold steppe]

Wasteland

[opaque mango]

Cower is hiding from krill

[cold steppe]

First area on the far left

[hushed steeple]

It got killed by a krill

[steel wigeon]

Wasteland hiding spirit tho
They were so scared for their life...

[gray rivet]

With the sky kids as a contingency to continue on in some form

[hollow pier]

Skykids aren’t spirits
@cold steppe to be specific the devs said that sky kids weren’t elders, the spirits weren’t mentioned

[opaque mango]

The shiny bois that give you winged light actually belong to the statues in eden AKA dead skykids

[cold steppe]

Oh fair

[steel wigeon]

Again poor contingency when all we do is nap, play tag and be reborn

[gray rivet]

🤣

[opaque mango]

Wh-

[cold steppe]

That’s interesting then

[gray rivet]

Maybe it’s less contingency and more like a museum of memory

[opaque mango]

i deleted that lol

[gray rivet]

So that the spirits could have a way to never be forgotten

[hushed steeple]

Also, for the cowering spirit, he was travelling or something, got detected by a krill, so he had to hide while being absolutely horrified of the krill and while he absolutely did not want to die. But, the krill found him while he was vulnerable, and he got killed.

[steel wigeon]

Maybe it’s less contingency and more like a museum of memory
@gray rivet now that
Would make a lot of sense
They are replayed memories like holograms
And everything is in ruins

[opaque mango]

NOOOOOO BABEY

[gray rivet]

So that the next civilization doesn’t make the same mistakes??

[opaque mango]

Valley looked like roman empire thoo

[steel wigeon]

Also, for the cowering spirit, he was travelling or something, got detected by a krill, so he had to hide while being absolutely horrified of the krill and while he absolutely did not want to die. But, the krill found him while he was vulnerable, and he got killed.
@hushed steeple again
Fist time I saw that I just wanted to hug them poor dear

[opaque mango]

2 am!!1!1!

[steel wigeon]

So that the next civilization doesn’t make the same mistakes??
@gray rivet maybe they are just so far off from it is as museums today but interactive

[hushed steeple]

Also, I do think this ancient civilization was very advanced, it might have even been a powerful empire.

[hollow pier]

I know there’s a theory that skykids were specifically created by some entity, perhaps the megabird, to save the spirits or so
{Wren}#4130
As someone that’s looked at all the lore this is what I bet

[steel wigeon]

2 am!!1!1!
@opaque mango Areel
Sneep

[opaque mango]

Orbit is where light came from

[gray rivet]

Exactly @steel wigeon

[opaque mango]

I CANT SNEEP HHH-

[cold steppe]

I also agree with the megabird creation theory

It was also a very strong part of the story in the concepts

[opaque mango]

@hushed steeple yeah but they wanted more light and u h

[gray rivet]

And a sort of technology

[steel wigeon]

I CANT SNEEP HHH-
@opaque mango try!

[opaque mango]

i tried just now

[hollow pier]

Winged light are imprints of the child of light. Singular child of light
@cold steppe actually they use singular and plural in two different videos, it confused mochi and I a lot

[opaque mango]

[steel wigeon]

It was also a very strong part of the story in the concepts
@cold steppe instert me trying to remember what the megabirb is

[gray rivet]

Megabird??

[hollow pier]

Hi Hage!
@cold steppe also hi! May the megabird’s blessings be upon you

[opaque mango]

The cape has 2 layers
The top layer is the colour and stuff
Bottom layer is the light
thats why when you lose light it turn white
the cape is made of light i thinkk

I forgot what a megabird is again pls help

[steel wigeon]

The cape has 2 layers
The top layer is the colour and stuff
Bottom layer is the light
thats why when you lose light it turn white
the cape is made of light i thinkk
@opaque mango the outer darker side as camouflage and inner light to keep you sane

[gray rivet]

That makes sense about the capes

Interesting

[opaque mango]

Wait since founders cape under is black when you get krilled will it turn black?

[steel wigeon]

Replace sane with safe or power up and yes

[opaque mango]

skykids use echolocation idk if they actually have eyes or its just a mask

[steel wigeon]

No but capes as camouflage does makes sense
Especially the white and black ones

[gray rivet]

Ahhh there are capes with dark inside however all the under clothes are white I believe

Certainly all the ones from the main story line

[opaque mango]

lore why do you krill me

nOOOO

[steel wigeon]

I gotta

[opaque mango]

do i delete it lol

[steel wigeon]

Nah nah

[opaque mango]

o

[hollow pier]

isnt there an ark krill
@opaque mango my personal interpretation of the ark murals is
« here’s how our society worked »
« Then the storm happened and after the storm krill came »

[steel wigeon]

Ark krill is babey

[opaque mango]

Nobody:
Me: haha theory go yeet

[gray rivet]

Exactly what I got

[opaque mango]

Ark krill isnt like other krills i heard? like they dont notice skykids alot??

[steel wigeon]

Nobody:
Me: haha theory go yeet
@opaque mango that is our job my dear
That is our job

[opaque mango]

i like it

[gray rivet]

And also it seems there was building and rebuilding of something in the ark

[steel wigeon]

Ark krill isnt like other krills i heard? like they dont notice skykids alot??
@opaque mango i mean u gotta get to it first
It leaves you alone if you leave it alone

[opaque mango]

The spirits sold capes and stuff like cosmetics whichiscapessouhyeah

And they died with it

@opaque mango i mean u gotta get to it first
It leaves you alone if you leave it alone
@steel wigeon so its a nice krill? i dont think ive met it before

[steel wigeon]

Ah yes
The spirits being dead loans sharks

[tender oasis]

Hey, i'm new here, may i ask what is Ark Krill?

[opaque mango]

HAHHAHAH

Forgotten ark, k r i l l

[steel wigeon]

@steel wigeon so its a nice krill? i dont think ive met it before
@opaque mango it will yeet if you touchie but otherwise is cool they say

[opaque mango]

Maybe the krill has been tamed by enchantment spirits

[gray rivet]

I don’t see it as selling though. It’s more like trading with light as a currency

[tender oasis]

I know, i mean, is there is a Krill in Ark? I've never seen it before

[steel wigeon]

Hey, i'm new here, may i ask what is Ark Krill?
@tender oasis krill you see when you look behind you when you get to the ark

[opaque mango]

same i think i missed it

o h

[steel wigeon]

Behind boat

[cold steppe]

Yes, it’s near the beginning where the boat comes into ark

It’s somewhat hard to see if you’re not looking for it

You can get krilled by it if you try

[opaque mango]

Babey krill

[hollow pier]

I forgot what a megabird is again pls help
@opaque mango the megabird is widely believed to be a demigod of Sky, the creator of Sky Kids and the Elders (possibly not the spirits), a Hivemînd of souls, the ball of light we fly into in the ascent, Orbit is inside the megabird
now my headcanon is also that the megabird is: the reason behind constellation barriers, and that winged lights are probably like megabird feathers

[tender oasis]

The one that flying near building?

[steel wigeon]

I wanna pet it but apparently it still hugs

[gray rivet]

Yes you can

[opaque mango]

winged light are megabirb feathers?

[tender oasis]

I though it was the wasteland krill from far before

[opaque mango]

sAM E

[steel wigeon]

@opaque mango the megabird is widely believed to be a demigod of Sky, the creator of Sky Kids and the Elders (possibly not the spirits), a Hivemînd of souls, the reason behind constellation barriers, the ball of light we fly into in the ascent, Orbit is inside the megabird, winged lights are probably like megabird feathers
@hollow pier honestly megabirb scares me a bit

[gray rivet]

@hollow pier very interesting

Thx for sharing

[steel wigeon]

I though it was the wasteland krill from far before
@tender oasis so did I but apparently you CAN fly up to it

Search it on yt

[gray rivet]

Kind of a lovecraftian thing almost

[opaque mango]

Megabird was the first creature that came from the light
the other creatures are descendants (except for dark creatures, they came from dark)

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis so did I but apparently you CAN fly up to it
@steel wigeon
I see, i will try it tonight

[opaque mango]

Gl

[gray rivet]

An ever present deity that you cannot even see with power beyond imagination

[tender oasis]

Thanks for telling me

[steel wigeon]

@steel wigeon
I see, i will try it tonight
@tender oasis do say results

[opaque mango]

Wasteland theory!1!!1!
The bones in graveyard are a different creature, prob guarding wasteland but krill exists
in beta, wasteland was called shores of manna. for me that its what its called before it became a wasteland-

[gray rivet]

I think that’s definitely true

[steel wigeon]

I am not saying they are whale bones but I am not sayi g they aren't

[opaque mango]

h this keeps me very awake i like it

[tender oasis]

And i see some creature like an appa from avatar the legend of aang in top of vault, i thought it was Mantas before, but when i saw it twice it's not, anyone know about this creature?

[gray rivet]

Because the bones there CLEARLY aren’t all krill

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis do say results
@steel wigeon
Wish me luck

[opaque mango]

Attack on wasteland-

[cold steppe]

The giant flying thing is the whale

[steel wigeon]

@steel wigeon
Wish me luck
@tender oasis you will most likely need it so have all the luck you can

[cold steppe]

It’s in Forest underground caverns and in the area between Valley and Wasteland as well

[steel wigeon]

And i see some creature like an appa from avatar the legend of aang in top of vault, i thought it was Mantas before, but when i saw it twice it's not, anyone know about this creature?
@tender oasis whale

[hollow pier]

winged light are megabirb feathers?
@opaque mango this isn’t canon but to me it makes a lot of sense because it explains why we have a connection to the CoL that left them, why they’re always in the same spot, why they SING, and why when « plucked » they still recharge us

[gray rivet]

Some of those bones could be whales for sure

[steel wigeon]

It’s in Forest underground caverns and in the area between Valley and Wasteland as well
@cold steppe eden too technically

[opaque mango]

Forest cavern looks like a place to escape from all those rain

[cold steppe]

I edited to say as well

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis whale
@steel wigeon
I see

[gray rivet]

Some of them look almost like dragons bones or something

[cold steppe]

Since V said they saw it in eden

[opaque mango]

s o m e
Maybe the unknown bones are like ancestor whales? idk

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis you will most likely need it so have all the luck you can
@steel wigeon
I will 😂

[opaque mango]

gl with ark krill

[hollow pier]

And i see some creature like an appa from avatar the legend of aang in top of vault, i thought it was Mantas before, but when i saw it twice it's not, anyone know about this creature?
@tender oasis that floor of vault represents wasteland so there’s a high likelihood that the cosmic whale is an uncorrupted krill

[gray rivet]

Could be older species of whale like creatures

[steel wigeon]

Just because they look like they aren't real doesn't meant they are a fake krill

[cold steppe]

Oh wait I see now

[opaque mango]

Orcas-

[cold steppe]

The giant cosmic manta thing in Vault?

[opaque mango]

ik they arent in sky

[cold steppe]

Is that what they’re talking about?

[hollow pier]

Yeah it is

[cold steppe]

Ahh yeah. Not the gray whale

[opaque mango]

The elders vibing in the elder room tho

[gray rivet]

Ahhhh

[steel wigeon]

I mean those mantas are technically either spirits or star born mantas

[tender oasis]

gl with ark krill
@opaque mango
Wish i can take an photo or video of it

[gray rivet]

That creature looks very much like a sea slug species

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis that floor of vault represents wasteland so there’s a high likelihood that the cosmic whale is an uncorrupted krill
@hollow pier
I see

[gray rivet]

The one up high in vault

[opaque mango]

Krills live in polluted places
they prob attacked vault but there wasnt enough pollution hh
vault has all the lore in it hahahahhahah-

[hollow pier]

I mean those mantas are technically either spirits or star born mantas
@steel wigeon or projections

[steel wigeon]

@opaque mango
Wish i can take an photo or video of it
@tender oasis you can
There is an pic and video option in sky in the bottom right corner below flight

[gray rivet]

The whole vault is clearly tech

[steel wigeon]

@steel wigeon or projections
@hollow pier honestly they all could be

[opaque mango]

And im vibing in my bed under my blanket

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis you can
There is an pic and video option in sky in the bottom right corner below flight
@steel wigeon
Is it? Thanks, i dunno before

[hollow pier]

@tender oasis thé buttons are hidden until you tap the very bottom right of the screen

[steel wigeon]

Yeah you click it like you would to check candles and there is an camera icon

[opaque mango]

icon*

[tender oasis]

@opaque mango this isn’t canon but to me it makes a lot of sense because it explains why we have a connection to the CoL that left them, why they’re always in the same spot, why they SING, and why when « plucked » they still recharge us
@hollow pier
Wait, they sing?

[opaque mango]

honk..?

[gray rivet]

You know the brilliance behind the lore of sky is that it can be interpreted many ways and still work

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis thé buttons are hidden until you tap the very bottom right of the screen
@hollow pier
Okay, thankss

[steel wigeon]

The whole vault is clearly tech
@gray rivet what if it is all a game
And yes it is a game but like VR
Like a VR museum

[opaque mango]

all came from megabirb

[cold steppe]

The noise winged light make when you collect

[opaque mango]

Vault prob has some books, but destroyed because it contained their secrets

[hollow pier]

WINGED LIGHT SING it’s fantastic each winged light has its own unique non repeating song they make this noise not when you collect them but when you vibe next to them WITHOUT collecting

[steel wigeon]

Mby skykids just can't read

[tender oasis]

The noise winged light make when you collect
@cold steppe
I see

[hollow pier]

It’s a soft hummmmoooooaaaaa

[opaque mango]

(edited)

[hollow pier]

They each make the same noise when you collect them

[steel wigeon]

Interesting

[gray rivet]

I mean the platform in vault and the puzzles to proceed are clearly technology. The clear mantas and the giant sea slug dude could very well be projections. The constellations shown on the walls are very obviously projections

Shows a very high level of intelligence

[cold steppe]

The devs have said that Vault was created to be dream-like, so it’s not clear if it’s technology or memories of sorts

[steel wigeon]

Anyway as my deleted msgs said
Gtg to study
Lovely talking to you bye bye

[cold steppe]

“[Vault] becomes like a dreamlike journey (...)” question: how does the elevator work “(...) left it up to interpretation (...) is it real? Is it a dream? Well later in the level we do have something to hint at that” from the livestream with the Vault’s dev Atlas
“I wanted to make Vault kinda like a dream or memory and the memory is not like things in the real world and the memory is not isolated from the real world. The world in other levels. And you can kind of see connection between that and that.” Atlas talks about the manta shout as an example “and they [the mantas] also gives you a hint about that." then Robert says “So the mystery remains”

[gray rivet]

Technology/magic maybe but the levitating platform has to be technology

[cold steppe]

Also bless Hage for the document

[opaque mango]

bye lore

[hollow pier]

The hint that atlas talks about, the manta call indicates that vault is real

[tender oasis]

Bye Lore

[opaque mango]

They talked about like the way crabs walk

[gray rivet]

There’s even a cutscene to show it has a form of propulsion

[opaque mango]

vault is a tiny mall

[gray rivet]

😱😱😱😱😱

This lore is genius

[tender oasis]

I guess i will do some research about the mantas, whale, krills, ancestor, and the vault 😂

[gray rivet]

Reminds me of bloodborne or dark souls lore

[opaque mango]

This is the worst time to be awake

[gray rivet]

Some of the best in video game history

[opaque mango]

but here i am

[hollow pier]

When Robert says « the mystery remains » I think he’s talking about how the elevator works because that was the previous question in the Q&A and it didn’t get answered @cold steppe

[cold steppe]

Ahhh

That makes a lot more sense now

[tender oasis]

This is the worst time to be awake
@opaque mango
Same, in my time it's the worst time to awake 😂

[hollow pier]

I think but I could be wrong

[cold steppe]

So the Vault is most likely real?

[drifting heart]

I always thought the vault was contained in like a 2 way pocket dimension.

[hollow pier]

Vault is most likely real

[drifting heart]

But if it is real, then it's most likely in some kind of pocket dimension.

[opaque mango]

Vault from outside looked a tower, wasnt it called tower in previous versions

[hollow pier]

My best guess and personal headcanon is what @drifting heart just mentioned

[drifting heart]

Considering the higher you go the larger the rooms are.

[gray rivet]

You can see a cutscene of the elevator lifting out of the ground though by what appears to be some form of energy

[cold steppe]

I was thinking that perhaps the first few levels of Vault were “real” and the rest were a sort of dream (the levels with the stars) since the last level of Vault can be seen in Eden, which could be the actual summit of Vault

Don’t know for sure though

[gray rivet]

A crystal surrounded in something like electricity

[cold steppe]

Pocket dimension could definitely explain it too

[drifting heart]

Well technically Lou we sorta have a possible way the crystals work.

[gray rivet]

That makes sense

[drifting heart]

Or at least how they're made.

Basically..

They're pulverized butterflies.

[gray rivet]

Because about halfway up there is no more structure that isn’t defying the laws of physics

[tender oasis]

A crystal surrounded in something like electricity
@gray rivet
And we can see crystal in every map to open door or something, so maybe the crystal is like an electric system in sky?

[opaque mango]

What about the lanterns in each realm? they are different

[gray rivet]

Yes 👆

Also correct

[opaque mango]

like does each design represent the realm and stuff?

[drifting heart]

It could also be a magnified form of solar power.

[gray rivet]

I think lanterns are a sky kid thing

[opaque mango]

Lanterns in forest are nice

[hollow pier]

My theory, in more detail, is that Vault isn’t a tower it’s a gateway into a pocket dimension that’s replicating the elder cutscenes (which are confirmed to exist outside time and space, aka pocket dimension, while still affecting the real world) and that the first floor of Vault and the floor of Vault that leads to Eden (after meeting the elder) are GATEWAYS into Vault

[gray rivet]

I think the lanterns maybe built by sky kids who came before us

[opaque mango]

There is eden gate at vault rite? maybe the darkness came from there, spread to each realm, causing them to fall?

[cold steppe]

Why skykids and not spirits?

[hollow pier]

They're pulverized butterflies.
@drifting heart they’re powered by pulverised butterflies but made from trees in forest

[opaque mango]

@gray rivet a n c e s t o r s ?

[tender oasis]

I think the lanterns maybe built by sky kids who came before us
@gray rivet
And maybe they put the crystal too?

[drifting heart]

Ah right.

[opaque mango]

forest with no leaves

[hollow pier]

The crystals/darkstones/power diamonds are all made by the ancestors

[drifting heart]

Actually that would make sense with the level of the vault (after the first two floors) being a pocket dimension.

[tender oasis]

There is eden gate at vault rite? maybe the darkness came from there, spread to each realm, causing them to fall?
@opaque mango
Maybe they keep it before and somehow it's break and caused it?

[drifting heart]

Wait that means..

[gray rivet]

Maybe. But more likely just other sky kids on the way through the game world. Leaving them like bread crumbs and gifts of light like little oasis

[cold steppe]

Are the ancestors the elders?

[drifting heart]

If the vault is a pocket dimension, and we know the cutscenes of the elders exist outside time and space..

[hollow pier]

Ancestors=spirits

[cold steppe]

I know the concept art called them ancestors

[drifting heart]

Then that means we don't go anywhere special for vault mom.

We're still in the Vault.

[opaque mango]

my sisters theory: The rain absorb cape energy from the skykids. when evaporated into clouds, the skykids that go into the clouds can get more cape energy.

Are the ancestors the elders?
@cold steppe i think yea

[gray rivet]

I always saw the rain like how it would effect a moth in our own universe kinda

[drifting heart]

I know the concept art called them ancestors
@cold steppe That's old beta concept art, ancestors refer to the spirits we help out.

[tender oasis]

We're still in the Vault.
@drifting heart
Whattt 😶

[cold steppe]

@drifting heart I know. I wasn’t sure if it was changed later or not

[opaque mango]

Wait pictures are allowed here rite-

like for the lore

[drifting heart]

@tender oasis There's a big theory that the Vault is a pocket dimension, and the elder cutscenes also happen in pocket dimensions. So that means with Vault Momma, we never left the vault's pocket dimension to go to Vault Mom's pocket dimension; instead we're taken to another part of the vault.

[hollow pier]

We're still in the Vault.
@drifting heart pocket dimension inside a pocket dimension? Idk

[cold steppe]

That also I guess brings up the possibility that we are descended from the spirits

[gray rivet]

Not sure @opaque mango

[drifting heart]

No no Hage.

We're still in the same pocket dimension as the Vault.

[tender oasis]

@tender oasis There's a big theory that the Vault is a pocket dimension, and the elder cutscenes also happen in pocket dimensions. So that means with Vault Momma, we never left the vault's pocket dimension to go to Vault Mom's pocket dimension; instead we're taken to another part of the vault.
@drifting heart
I see, thanks for clearing it

[drifting heart]

It's just a different piece.

[opaque mango]

imma just

[gray rivet]

@cold steppe sometimes the best answer is the most obvious. We wear their clothes and use their technology

[opaque mango]

eden elder in vault?

[drifting heart]

That wouldn't be the elder.

That's the king.

[opaque mango]

o h

[hollow pier]

I personally think that the elders cutscenes happen within personal pocket dimensions, and that’s where we hug the light boi (or collect one winged light) when we die

[cold steppe]

@gray rivet that could definitely make sense because we also mimic them

[opaque mango]

8 pillars? the elders?

[cold steppe]

Though technically we can also wear the elders’ hair

[hollow pier]

So it’d still work I think for us to travel from a manufactured dimension to a personal one

[drifting heart]

I like that Hage, but in my eyes it'd make more sense that Vault Mom's dimension isn't a personal small dimension.

But rather the entire VAULT is her dimension.

[tender oasis]

Maybe i will go to watch all cutscene after try meet Ark Krill

[gray rivet]

@opaque mango what is that figure holding??? A planet???????

[opaque mango]

vault is interesting tbh

[cold steppe]

Ark krill is nice. Just chills unless you mess with it

[opaque mango]

maybe light?

[gray rivet]

I never noticed that

[tender oasis]

So i can make another theory

Ark krill is nice. Just chills unless you mess with it
@cold steppe
I wanna pet it😂

[opaque mango]

8 pillars? so there was an eden elder but like they are not around anymore?

[hollow pier]

I like this theory, but I think it works better that instead of going somewhere different in vault she just changes the environment around where we’re sitting

[gray rivet]

Light maybe but I wouldn’t think light would be in the shape of a perfect orb 🤔🤔

[drifting heart]

Funnily enough V_, there was a massive discussion that the Ark Krill was partially responsible for the Ark's crash.

[opaque mango]

o h

light go brr

[drifting heart]

Maybe it's a piece of the Megabird.

[cold steppe]

The lights from enchantment were

There’s also 3 orbs on the boat from the isle area in Lightseekers

[tender oasis]

Funnily enough V_, there was a massive discussion that the Ark Krill was partially responsible for the Ark's crash.
@drifting heart
Well that's interesting

[gray rivet]

Hmmm right

[opaque mango]

Isnt orbit like
a o r b it?

[hollow pier]

@opaque mango what is that figure holding??? A planet???????
@gray rivet a planet of awesome size, lit by no sun, an invisible titan, all thick black forests and jagged mountains and deep, turbulent oceans

[opaque mango]

orbit is a circle?

[cold steppe]

I feel so uncultured, is that a reference, Hage?

[gray rivet]

Are you familiar with hp lovecraft @hollow pier

And his work

[opaque mango]

whats that sorry

[hollow pier]

Welcome to Night Vale reference haha, and yes I am familiar

[tender oasis]

Ah, i have to go, i'll join the discussion again after meet my doctor

[opaque mango]

bye V!!

[hollow pier]

I have like three HP lovecraft board games

[tender oasis]

Byee

[cold steppe]

From Wikipedia

[hollow pier]

[opaque mango]

h m

[gray rivet]

Is it possible that the mural is an interpretation of a god like figure not literally holding our sky planet but omnipresent

[cold steppe]

People call orbit orbit because it appears to be above the world of Sky

[opaque mango]

orbit is sky heaven, also where light came from? its rlly bright

[hollow pier]

The sun and orbit/the megabird are two different places in the sky

[drifting heart]

Actually speaking of the Megabird.

[hollow pier]

I think the megabird floats above the planet in a stationary orbit feeding and thats why there’s the beam of light

[drifting heart]

We might actually have a full body appearance of the Megabird itself.

Or at least an avatar.

[cold steppe]

There’s the sun and Eden is to the left

[drifting heart]

I always thought that beam in the background was Eden.

[cold steppe]

It is

[drifting heart]

But anyway, megabird.

[hollow pier]

The beam is center Ed in eden but not necessarily coming from it

[drifting heart]

This might actually be its entire body.

[opaque mango]

The beam: isnt it the one you go up after you die?

Megabirb is mega

[cold steppe]

At least the beam is coming from Eden

[hollow pier]

This might actually be its entire body.
@drifting heart that’s canon I think

[drifting heart]

At first I thought the top were just wings so I thought its body was just massive wings.

[cold steppe]

Or looks like it’s coming from it

[drifting heart]

But then I realized that wouldn't make sense.

[opaque mango]

pheonix? (i forgot how to spell it again h)

[drifting heart]

Lemme just, one sec.

[gray rivet]

Yea very reminiscent of the Phoenix

[opaque mango]

should i try sneeping its 3 am

[spring blaze]

the murals are all up to interpretation

yes azreal

[gray rivet]

Rising from the ashes time and time again

[spring blaze]

dont be a ginsy and go to sleep early

[gray rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[opaque mango]

o k a y i m a s n e e p

[spring blaze]

gnight az

[opaque mango]

lmao dont be a ginsy-

[gray rivet]

Good night

[hollow pier]

@drifting heart https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/655012352759955456

All praise the megaderp

[cold steppe]

megaderp!

also my bad outline of it
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/726157625255002226

it's so derpy

it's like the idea of a bird

like the crabs are more the idea of a crab

[hollow pier]

HOLY KRILL I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

@cold steppe megamerp

[cold steppe]

lol I didn't even finish the beak

[hollow pier]

Merp says the megaderp merpmerp

dont be a ginsy and go to sleep early
@spring blaze too late it’s 5am

[spring blaze]

:(((((

go to sneep

[cold steppe]

go sneep

[hollow pier]

I am sneep already this is my sneep lore discussion

[cold steppe]

megamerp says sneep

[sand abyss]

ah yes

gorgeous lamp borb

[spring blaze]

yes all hail the megamirp

gasp

thats why we go to orbit!

we’re all going towards a giant ball of lamp

we’re moths from start to finish

[sand abyss]

w h h eee ze e

Orbit is just one massive Lamp!!!

[cold steppe]

I mean
it checks out

orbit is The Lamp/Light

the ultimate lamp

[spring blaze]

yes

the catch the light quest we have? chasing lamp
getting wax? getting lamp
getting winged light? energy lamps

[cold steppe]

it is all lamp

Sky: Children of the Lamp

[crude fable]

Darkness absorbs light. Our skin is dark, that's why we are able to absorb it and take it to orbit. Orbit emits the light the world of sky needs to sustain our lifeforms. In order for the world to exist, this light must return to orbit somehow, and that's our mission. If we don't do this we would cease to exist. Maybe the old civilization forgot their true mission and that's why they dissapeared and darkness spread through the Wasteland that used to be Golden.

The light didn't returned to orbit and grew dim. The reason for this was the old civilization inner fights. Instead of helping each other against a hostile environment always in danger to fall to darkness, they fight each other for the light, that is what gives shape to cosmetics and works as fuel for mechanisms.

[short owl]

Cracktheory but if megabirb is source of light, does that make Horizon a nest?

Are we eggs or is that light children?

[mossy trellis]

!krill thatskybot

[cold steppe]

what's Horizon?

[cobalt palm]

Horizon has become the fandom name for the world of sky

[last cargo]

Guysss, whats the most commonly accepted story/theory for the crying spirit?

Is this the place to ask that ¿?

[cobalt palm]

My best guess is that they went into the caves to try to uncover materials for making darkstone or power diamonds, and were trapped in there

[last cargo]

Ooo

I thought their friends died or sth

Thank you!

[mossy trellis]

Wait in Prarie there is birds nest so could that be megabird nest

[cobalt palm]

yes, so we see them all trying to dig their way out, but darkstone covered their exit (which we burn to get in)
then part collapsed on 2 of them,
a third was consumed by darkstone
we don't actually know what happened to the crying spirit, as her memories don't go that far

[kind anvil]

i think for the crying spirit its that they saw the two people eating together and cried because they were alone

[last cargo]

Ahahah

I always feel kinda sad when replaying that memory

[cobalt palm]

I wish we could replay the hunters memories again

[last cargo]

Another question what’s that mega bird you all talking about

Try taking a mothhh

[mossy trellis]

I wish in vault each floor allwoed you to replay the memorie of the spirits ingabiting that kingdom

[cobalt palm]

the Megabird is what you see in the sky after Eden, and zoom out from in the credits before being reborn

[last cargo]

Ahhhh true true I forgot

[cobalt palm]

@worldly linden https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/729413478690979880/image0.png

this chap

[last cargo]

Thanks a lot

[cobalt palm]

everything is one in the Megabird, blessed be the light

[blazing terrace]

We are all one and one is us all

[shrewd pecan]

I’m wondering

Are they bringing back seasonal passes next season?

[cold steppe]

they'll always have seasonal passes

the preorder is currently down due to bugs, but TGC has confirmed that they will be back up before the season starts

also, just as a note for the future, questions about the game itself and not the story should go in #questions-and-help

[shrewd pecan]

Ah I see sorry abt that

Thank u @cold steppe

[cold steppe]

no worries!

[worldly linden]

wait

maelstrom I think you might have gotten the wrong person ^^'

[mortal viper]

ok, that's sad

[opaque mango]

They were the last one in the cave i think

[mortal viper]

yup

it makes sense

[opaque mango]

i want to hug crying spirit

[mortal viper]

same thing here

[opaque mango]

its a spirit so its dead

[mortal viper]

lets change the subject before I start crying like him

[opaque mango]

okay

[mortal viper]

XD

oh yes

his last emote is amazing

litteraly throwing a tantrum

[opaque mango]

the spirits when they became spirits (d e a d), they lived in darkness until the skykid relieved their memories (The spirits couldnt go to orbit)

Me at 2 am

[mortal viper]

I actualy wanter to ask about the wasteland lore. Anyone has any theory about what happened there? And what are/were all those pipes for?

[opaque mango]

Looked like a factory

[mortal viper]

the first landscape sure has a structure like it

the ruined temple looks a lot like the hidden forest one

it even has the same golden celling structure

except at the ruins it fell to the ground

[opaque mango]

Wait how many statues are there

[mortal viper]

of what?

[opaque mango]

E d e n

oh

[elder night]

AZREEL WHY DID U WAKE UP AT 3AM

[opaque mango]

@elder night go away

[mortal viper]

what statues?

[elder night]

U WOKE UP AT 1AM TO TALK

I THOUGHT U DIDNT CHARGE UR TAB AAAAA

[opaque mango]

Because i have a theory that the shiny bois in the realms (80 of them) belong to the statues and the statues are skykids

[elder night]

Then

[opaque mango]

thats why you give them back

[elder night]

THEN

THEN

[opaque mango]

@elder night share your theories here not spam

[elder night]

Okay so

Im ger

Kanao

Also ummmmm
Are the || rocks from falling realms? ||

[mortal viper]

Eden statues, bluespirit, the one u give ur lights for.
I believe those are called the fallen ones, no?

[opaque mango]

this is my chill place rn

big red diamond? the ones that absorb your cape energy?

[mortal viper]

the eye of the storm

it looks a bit like sauron's eye to me

except it throws debries at me

but ok, GW is industrial. How did it ended up so ruined? No other real is that bad.

*realm

yup

against who, though? the krills?

true

yes, it makes sense

shame they don't show it at the vault cutscene

oh, that would be nice

unfortunatly, I didn't played those

*the lightseekers

enchantment was the last one, right?

so I played it

I dowloades the game during rithm season

so i didn't get to play lightseekers

It happens

no idea

XD

[surreal verge]

Any possibilty of new maps 🤔