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[narrow marsh]

I don't think it's yes or no.
We are programmed and tied to our objectives, but refusal of those objectives, whether it's the death of the Flame or the urge to frolic instead of find Spirits- that refusal doesn't portray the Descendant as childlike, but rather just, so, very human still. 🕯️

Absence is a strong word. I'd say it represents the dimming or muffling of Flame. 🕯️

[robust flare]

I just mean that's usually the definition given to darkness in dictionaries!

[narrow marsh]

I didn't realize how old it was till I already wrote out the message.
Lo siento Raider 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

to be fair, some of the furniture shown to skykids are new to them (at least in the time players know of our avatars)

It would make sense for the guide to get exasperated (overly frustrated) with skykids not knowing how to use or understanding what some things are.

[narrow marsh]

Yes, I know. I won't go full-blown lexicology on lorechat like I have before, but I believe it can be more intrinsic. 🕯️

[robust flare]

I'm not awake yet, I haven't a brain yet for words 🤣 Just making connections in my head

[nimble ingot]

skykids are given a directive (a calling) to find spirits and go to eden. But then left to their own devices when they have done so and have to wait till something else comes up.

Which does allow for them to develop and learn from the spirits.

I believe that skykids are incredibly naive of the world they are in. And like children may respond to positive activities like playing whenever they are in a safe place.
But with that said, there is also not a lot of information to what skykids feel or what they think of the more morbid situations.
Aside from how the player would respond and apply to their reactions to dangers, the psyche of skykids are left open to interpretation.

I understood what you said.
That is why I suggest that the spirit may not have much patience with explaining to skykids what everything is. At least as a headcanon.

I am impressed and flattered that old theory inspired you to try that. ❤️

I sadly cannot find it in the channel 🥲
But I appreciate it all the same, thank you

you can ❤️

[nimble ingot]

The skykid is willing to give their light to the little prince so they may save them 😭

aw man, imagine you somehow line up the little prince's final quest with the revival one and send your poor skykid on a double whammy of their first eden run to save a friend.

damn. Makes me wish this was actually a thing.

In my experience (which is a bit dated because I am not as active now a days to see the eruptions).
The eden eruption can be seen in different realms, including ones that wont have a shard that day.

ahhh, ok. I saw the video in dms and tried looking for it again in here.

Here is the link. It is so sweet. Literall and Figuratively ❤️
#sky-memes message

[scenic pebble]

yes
it's darkness
but is it
Darkness?
just as Light isn't light

[quasi sail]

Is there maybe a timeline somewhere that I can read the lore of sky?

[narrow marsh]

The lore is meant to be very unclear and unspecific, so that people can have their own interpretations and try to discover the 'Truth' for themself!

1. Here's a pamphlet made by some theorists made in the past 👀
   Be warned, even some of the ideas in there are still speculations rather than concrete facts.
   https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/mobilebasic#heading=h.cmfnuox3fw3h

2. There are many activities and quests that hint at some major Themes or story beats of Sky.

• AURORA questline
• AURORA concert
• Season of Abyss
• Cave in Prairie Peaks
• Final Shattering memory
• Season of Prophecy
• A specific quest in Season of Performance
  And more!

3. I recommend checking out Tom Zhao's art page for some key visual concept art that has been so helpful to us. 📖
   To find it, just look up "tom zhao sky"

4. If you want the nitty gritty of interviews and concept art, just scroll aaaalll the way up in the pins!

5. And on the SkyFanon wikipedia in general, you can find all sorts of great solid information by logistics teams and speculative articles by theorists. I highly recommend checking out the "Murals" page on the site. 👀

Here's an article on some popular theories from over the years.
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

6. And lastly, the three trailers for the upcoming animated series Sky: The Two Embers. I recommend playing all of the Seasonal content I pointed out and sifting through Tom Zhao's concept arts before going crazy with theories on the trailers.

Overall, I hope this helps. We're still slowly building a non-biased presentation of all of our resources across the webs, and it's important to let those resources stay where they are; it shows how expansive the lore community's efforts have become! Either way, Happy hunting! 🕯️

[quasi sail]

Woah thank you!!!

[narrow marsh]

Exactly. When it comes to discussing Light substance with theorists who still believe it is literal light as in the wavelength, I would understand why they also further believe that darkness is a literal antithesis to light, rather than some special unique fantastical function in the worldbuilding.

But if we agree that Light substance is not the literal scientific "light", then it stands to reason that darkness works differently than the literal scientific approach as well. 🕯️

[robust flare]

Yes! I hadn't considered light being wavelengths before, so I thought I should at least entertain it!
I think there is something to seeing it as a spectrum. Like how humans aren't black or white (metaphorically), people aren't good or bad, feelings aren't good or bad. I can see darkness being a "reflection" of light, but there's grey areas as well.
I forgot what I was saying

Idk where I was going with that at all

[nimble ingot]

Were you going about the ancestors being nuetral on the scale of light and darkness, and then overlaying that comparison with the morals about good and evil?

But then got hung up on real life parallels, like for example the philosophy of the Yin and Yang (good and evil. Light and Darkness)

[robust flare]

No clue, I think I'm just tired and all my thoughts have become mush 🤣

[scenic pebble]

remember
light||the real one|| isn't just a wavelength
it's also a particle
in Sky it can be seen as a form of information transfer
we see it enchanted with emotions
we see it easy to control
to mold into whatever we desire
but that is not it's purpose
the Light is meant to be free
to roam as it pleases and create what it wants
it is fickle and playful
childlike you could even say
but when faced with obstacles on it's path back home it begins to fear
it realizes it's own fragility and weakness
so it hides
flees
but that causes it to lose at least a part of what made it..
itself
now it has changed, possibly never to come back to what it once was
but that will only add to the collective
and bring forth new manifestations, greater and closer to perfection

or maybe i'm just staring over the edge of my sanity again and trying to plaster what i see over something else
idk
goodnight folks

[robust flare]

Soulless Creatures by Aurora. Another song that I just realized reminds me of Sky.
There may or may not be a connection, but there's a connection to me and I think that's beautiful and worth sharing ❤️
A great song on its own regardless, been one of my favorites since I first heard it

[robust flare]

Idk but it's poetic and a beautiful interpretation!

[spice sun]

Today’s daily quest with cackling cannoneer made me recognize this statue near the catapult.
It’s near a spear, so I think they were a warrior- but the manta statue(?) it intrigues me, too. Is it a relic or keepsake of theirs? Something from a close one? We may never know…

[nimble ingot]

It is a relic of the old ancestor's model back in light awaits.

[spice sun]

Ohhh that’s really cool!

[narrow marsh]

Wasn't that statue in Season of Abyss at first, but was removed?

[robust flare]

Yes the manta statue was in abyss and removed!
Those statues can also be found at sanctuary
Actually there is still one at treasure reef I think, where you learn to dive

[spiral vault]

Well, I think Arcane definitely proves this wrong. I think it could work in many ways: a reference to old fans, while still introducing new people to the world of Sky

Since no one answered, let me give my take:

The "jrotc haircut ember" is likely a young version of the Eden Elder. They see a declining Sky world and plan to fix it, but they're given too much power and fail miserably.

[spiral vault]

Here's a really, really quick summary

1. There was a past civilization of Ancestors
2. The civilization slowly declined from the darkness
3. A massive event known as the Shattering trapped everyone and turned them into spirits
4. Skykids are sent down to help restore the spirits

[noble ferry]

it's just a comparison??

[narrow marsh]

"Prove" is a strong word, but yet, there are many, many instances where games are faithfully tied to tv-series' or vice versa.
||(We should totally have a discussion on Viktor and other topics outside of this chat, I've been so obsessed with the worldbuilding of that just as much as I am with The Light :pWow:)||

Regarding the Embers, it is interesting on the current operating effects we have available to us.

You and I know that the two Embers are the Chosen One and the Steward respectively.
But in terms of evidence...

Steward = Dusk Ember

1. Hairology (which has always been chaotic for lorechat )
2. One of the Embers would try to save the world from the other.
3. Steward is special; the Embers are special. ()

Chosen One / Alef = Dawn Ember

1. The Dawn Ember (or whichever Ember you believe he is) clearly becomes the Ruler.
2. The one that will become the Ruler will try to 'save the world' in a different way than the other. (Likely using Darkstone.)
3. The Embers are special, and so this Ember may end up being the Chosen One who defeats the trials.

With this in mind, being the only concrete 'information' we have, it is no wonder that those who are unfamiliar, specifically with the Chosen One, would have some notable skepticisms. 🕯️

[quasi sail]

So who created and sent the skykids?

[narrow marsh]

Who? Or perhaps what?
There are many differing beliefs on the grand ultimate form that watches over us in the Sky.

Nevertheless, here is a comprehensive summary of what the Megabird might be in today's iteration of Sky. 🕯️
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[quasi sail]

I'll read it through rn thanks :)

MEGABIRD

[nimble ingot]

This is what the lorechannel is.
People make theories and we discuss them.

Is there anything wrong?

[scenic pebble]

dawn comes before dusk
it would make some sense if the dawn ember was older than the dusk one
we only see them in their "kid" forms together in the Eden end looking place
it may symbolize how his "soul" never grew up
plus the world during the Dusk Ember's journey seems much more hostile and just simply different ||it may be just because he's striding through Wasteland but who knows||

[nimble ingot]

There is also a lingering piece of lore where the realms represent different times of day, different ages and even different stages in civilisation.
It may not mean that the realms are literally from different time periods (although it is still possible depending on the theories in use).

[scenic pebble]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059128193-DZNN4A9E11WW420MS8W6/036_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

maybe it is
maybe it isn't
we can only wait and find out

[nimble ingot]

wait and find out.

This is a slogan from Ash (concept artist)

Sky lore (according to the devs)
Is open to interpretation.

This makes canon lore from the devs, and confirmed lore from players, and even headcanons for lore that does not have a canon anwer have equal ground.

Here is the source: (this is an older message where I gathered links)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The open to interpretation source specifically by ktjn: #beta-discussion message

(BOT I refuse to retype that message because of a "bad" word)

You can take that message and toss it into the void for all I care!
Btw, this is also what can discourage a lore driven community.

ThatSkyBot.

I have in recent months become intolerable of its Baloney-Sandwiches.

[noble ferry]

Putting my two cents here as someone who's lurked in lore channel on and off for a long while (though i've only recently started to lurk back here again)

Sky:CotL lore is intentionally vague to the point that sometimes, it's unavoidable to speculate. Sometimes people headcanon to fill in the blanks of stuff.
Sometimes, some interpretations may be more accurate to TGC's internal lore bible (i recall mentions of such a thing in skycord before i think) but ultimately, I suppose that's the fun of interpreting Sky's vague lore.

Sometimes we do have to be ready to accept that our interpetations might have errors or inconsistencies, that sometimes happens especially with my own interpetation of the eden elder that i feel like will crumble when Two Embers comes out but who knows, hope my essays on their canon interpretation wont fully implode but eh.

Honestly, I just think that there's fun to be had with admittedly quite "out there" interpretations of Sky Lore, so long it isnt actively harmful ofc. Just be mindful that it may not be consistent with the lore TGC has in mind but yea

Also apologies for the rambling 😭

[noble ferry]

It is a pain sometimes, the vagueness of sky lore. Whether something is simply gameplay or just lore... T>T

It is an endless debate which is one of the downsides of Sky lore's vagueness

[scenic pebble]

why do some Spirits ascend twice?
why does the cost seem to be higher with every realm you pass?
what about other skids and their friendship tree?
what does it mean to ascend?
to finally reach the Orbit and be reintegrated into the collective?
if so, then why are unascended Spirits showing up in the village?
WHAT ARE THE TRAVELLING SPIRITS AND WHY DO THEY WORK LIKE THIS?
we may never know

[noble ferry]

Sometimes i copy long messages just in case at this point cuz of skybot's filter :,)

[nimble ingot]

lol.
Dont worry.

This is sadly not the worst I have seen the bot act.
Nor will it be the last when the mods dont help.

Pro tip:
Copy your text before posting.
Especially if it is a big message!

sure

[scenic pebble]

wait, who are these two?
i recognize the performance guide but who's the other one?

[noble ferry]

Oh they're twins, I believe

source

[scenic pebble]

oh
the performance guide has a sibling, a twin actually
so who knows

[noble ferry]

Other fella is Rhythm Guide!

[scenic pebble]

ah, right
hmmmmmm
i don't know
i think i'd have to dig up a lot of stuff to figure anything out

[noble ferry]

I like to think they're close buddies
i can see why people ship them tho

[scenic pebble]

oh
family an social structures in Sky can be....
unclear to say the least
the relationships different Spirits have with eachother are rarely stated clearly if even hinted at

[noble ferry]

Yeah 😭

the duets spirits are also shipped often (and honestly, yea)
There's also season of belonging too with them basically being family

[scenic pebble]

it's all from the same source
the wacky character cards

[robust flare]

I think of them as siblings as well!

I gasped when the sir rhythm showed up in that season ngl
I just woke up, mormin'

There is a couple in Sky that I ship... performance guide and stagehand

[narrow marsh]

Nobody hates the wiki

When we theorize, there are a few different categorizations I have for when theorists present their ideas or something that we hope is evidence:

1. Fact

When developers clearly state something is concrete in the lore as an answer to a lore question, or we are simply noting a concrete detail from the game. (eg: Jenova Chen stating dark dragons are corrupted, or "the Eden crystal is red)

2. Evidence

When a piece of evidence is widely supported by a network of evidence, it gains further credibility. (eg: in the prophecy Ancestors worship the chosen one, who have the elemental lights to the Elders. Only with the wider array of evidence do we know that this is unavoidably the king/Ruler, even though many early interpretations of the prophecy adamantly believed it was showing the skychild.)

3. Potential Evidence, also dubbed as "Speculation"

This is where it gets more complicated. Anything that has merit, but doesn't have years of built-in evidence and research to back it up, is functionally potential evidence, rather than solid evidence. ``(Concept art, ideas made over solid visual facts in the game such as the skykid turning blue when flapping, and... The fan-made wiki.)|`

[robust flare]

I use the wiki! I just don't take it as concrete fact!

My mom's side of the family has genealogists, so it's been really drilled into me to note primary and secondary sources of information

Especially because in house history research, blatantly false rumors go into circulation, like that a particular house was a part of the underground railroad. It WASN'T. My mom found the evidence that it wasn't possible. But the rumor thrives nonetheless 🫠

[narrow marsh]

The reason the fan-made wiki is functionally "the potential for evidence" and not evidence itself, is simply because it is made by players. Any titling or descriptions of certain actions, characters, items, props, etc; could possibly not be canon, or could just be a player interpreting something at face value. 

For example, they call the mantas we see in Vault "spirit mantas" or "cosmic mantas" at highly invariable rates. This confusion has led to many, *many* instances of confusion in Lorechat, where players will adamantly state that those mantas are Spirits, because of the name. But when you look at the in-game name of the Spirit who bears the Call that references those mantas... They are known as the Memory Whisperer, and their Call is ID'd as "Cosmic Manta Call".

Instances like this have led me to believe that the fan-made wiki is effectively word-of-mouth; no more concrete than if I walked into Lorechat and confidently stated that it is pure fact that Granny is the 7th Elder.

Player theories, ideas, and observations can be considered to be potential evidence, as all brainstorming is important. But we have to consider a larger scope, as all potential evidence may be debunked by other potential evidence ☕🕯️

[robust flare]

I think I literally have said that before 😂 When I get stuck with lore, I come up with the absolute worst theories that I can for fun. It's fun.

[narrow marsh]

Granny is actually the Ruler ☝️🤓 📏

The common ground had been extremely effective in broadening public knowledge about very complicated subjects such as Light substance! But hearsay is still hearsay, and the mob seems to have led the community astray before, even in my short time here. (I'm not sure if you were here for the reveal of the new season icon.)
(No, other people, this is not an opening to talk about the new season; it is still spoiler territory.) 🕯️

Anything in beta must be discussed in beta, unfortunately. I'd say that it'd be cool if we had a beta lorechat, but I'd be kinda lying, as it would effectively divide the already minimal lorechat activity more than ever

[robust flare]

In 2020 I really didn't think they'd ever reveal the king...he was a legend
It's just insane
There was a time when I had no clue there WAS a king
It wasn't talked about as much

[noble ferry]

Same…
When I first learned saw them in the trailer
I genuinely thought that the trailer was fake
There was no way they made then real in present day sky
But it’s real

This means so much to me as someone who investigated eden elder lore for years 😭😭😭😭😭

[robust flare]

SAMEEE
I was almost in tears after reading the art book
Our Reshy boi is real

[noble ferry]

I have dug and searched into skycord and onto google finding content of the eden elder
Every time i came back to sky after a hiatus, my eden elder brainrot worsened even further

Went from a quiet lurker in lore chat to someone who helps run a discord server around the eden elder (fun fact, it was initially founded in lore chat lol and a bunch of the earlier members recognized each other from tumblr which has most of the resh fans i thnk and the rest was history). Finally found my people after years.

Apologies for the rambling but like
This means a lot 😭

[robust flare]

Same here! I used to not open up tbh because I didn't want someone else to solve it first 🤣 Because it's just....my obsession. I have drawn the murals so many times, contemplated the intros many times... I have put so much work into it

[noble ferry]

Also regarding beta stuff before i nyoomed into chat with my resh obsession
Stuff in beta is also likely to change too, it’s beta testing after all
Never know what will get changed since yeah

[robust flare]

I think about lore in the shower 👁️

[noble ferry]

It exists
Though…. it is sometimes cursed because that’s what years of little fan content does to someone.

I think they only managed to finalize the lore of sky only recently with two embers maybe and the addition of hopeful steward aka probably dusk ember

yeah we’re feeding each other resh content and also cursed inside jokes too which you could prob find on sky tumblr

fair tbh 😭

Oooooo interesting!!

also
I could only find resh content on tumblr
Insta, well there was but it is next to impossible to hunt for it nowadays
I am not touching twitter and tiktok.
Reddit, not much either
I have found plenty of resh content on skycord at least but i prob ate them all at least ten times
Youtube, not much but there is a fan series where they play a major role

I do recall that sky and tunic do share themes of abusing a powersource and causing the ruin of a civilization
Also vague lore too

anyway i must slumber now
Was nice chatting here!

[nimble ingot]

(I was out doing errands, apologies)

I see that there were answers, but to add on to them.

The spirit on the left is the guide from season of Rhythm. And the one on the right is the guide from Season of Performance.

Both seasons featured season spirits themed after music and/or theatre.

The Rhythm season featured a large bird like creature at its finale, but this light creature dubbed Elder Bird by this very server's emojis sadly has not returned to the realms of Sky ever since.
The Performance spirit's attire resembles that of a bird (notably a penguin) and is canonically recognised as a twin of the Rhythm Guide.

The realm both seasons featured in (Valley of Triumph) has a running trend with twins.
Whether it is the races, the regular spirits, or even the season guides such as in this case. The season guides also establish the events of both season are connected in some way.

[narrow marsh]

The lack of advertisement truly is insane... The recent movie Flow did great in theaters, and Two Embers, only being over 2 hours long, could easily be watchable as a movie or an episodic. Could you imagine the waves our world would make on mainstream to be able to hit theaters in a niche, lowkey manner the way Flow did??

This has so much potential, but they need to get people to see it first 🕯️

Halo moment
Only Bionicle has stayed ever-faithful to its vision.

[bright spade]

i agree that the wiki uses names that can be the editor's interpretation or ones commonly used by the community but the name "spirit manta" was used in-game, thats probably why its commonly used - there was a quest with it

[narrow marsh]

Same

[hushed steeple]

Why I freaked out

[narrow marsh]

I'd love to hear a rant about Warframe lore... I never got too invested but I loved the gameplay so much.

[narrow marsh]

Oh? It was called a Spirit Manta in a certain quest? 🕯️

[orchid jolt]

Can't wait for The Season of Roh!

[narrow marsh]

We live in a circus...
A lore circus

[bright spade]

yee the quest was "Meditate with the Spirit Mantas" 2019-2021 #seasons-events-chat message picture by Tomoka
it was later replaced by "Meditate at the Vault's Entrance"

[orchid jolt]

(for if anyone is confused about me saying "The Season of Roh", it's because the Resh is the "Rrrr" sound and the Cholam Malay - the dot above it - is the "Oh" sound, put em together and you get "Roh")

[narrow marsh]

Fascinating, thanks for letting us know! I think I remember the confusion over that quest, especially regarding the change in wording! What do you think about it? 🕯️

Many such cases... And I hope it doesn't end up being remotely the case with Sky. 🕯️

[hushed steeple]

Lol yeah. I think its important to see how other seasonal long running games are going. It gives a lot of perspective.

[hushed steeple]

Thats why in so entertained.

I'LL CLOWN WITH YALL CHUMPS!

[bright spade]

no problem! i dont remember the change so i dont really have any thoughts about it tgc usually uses a lot of names for stuff, in patch notes they call the them "Ghost Mantas" too

do you think having references in the wiki for creature/object names that have sources other than "commonly used community name" would be helpful?

[narrow marsh]

Oh, of course! I think the wiki could definitely explain where it gets its sources from more often, but i suppose it doesn't matter that much except to lore folk, so 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

a wiki is just an article written by one or (usually) more people.

Sourcing is recommended, but not enforced strictly.

This is one of the reasons why wiki sources are normally avoided in academic research.
It does help with looking up information, more so to find a more reputable source.

[spiral vault]

Can I dm you about it?

Got it, apparently I remember such a thing existing from a while back

I think this is right, but I hope they put it on Youtube, other services may be a bit more controversial

[nimble ingot]

People will be absolutely furious if TGC were set an expensive price for the animation series.
Not to mention lead to loss of sale from people finding other ways of watching the show.

Having a reasonable price should lead to decent sales. And if it is not the case. Then we are truly living in a messed up reality.

There may be issues if TikTok were to become banned in North America.

X - Twitter is a husk of its former self.

[narrow marsh]

TGC has fought to keep Sky free on all platforms, and it's been extremely impressive, especially with the Switch. I'm sure we'll be okay. ❤️🕯️

[inland star]

Question: Why are the Krill hanging around the Wastelands?

[celest birch]

Afraid that first we´ll need to define what are Krill. ˆˆ;

Corrupted Light Creatures? Machinery? A mix of the 2?

[inland star]

The Dark Dragons

[narrow marsh]

You're gonna hear a lot of unique opinions and theories, but realistically we know very little about the Dark Dragons for sure.

Here's a list of Observations we can be certain about regarding Krill patterns.
Hope it helps us make some new speculations!

About krill routine cycles 🕯️
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[scenic pebble]

either something guided them there
someone herded them there
or they were simply born/made there
they could've also gotten there just by feasting on stuff like a breadcrumb path

[inland star]

I've also heard about a character named Rash. From what I heard, he's reposible for the darkness

[nimble ingot]

There is history of the character, both in and outside of the game.

The King in a nutshell is the supposed missing Eden Elder. The one responsible for Eden's destruction, the calamity, the war, and the shattering to the Eye of Eden crystal.

The little evidence of them in the game, aside form the many hidden details hinting at them in the form of diamonds, are the murals found in Eden and in the secret area in Vault.

The Eden mural depicts the Elder gathering light (in my interpretation), the Office mural is seen on the surface of water that surround the portal to the Office.

There are other hints like the old friendship constellation (that resembles a crown), and the image from the all elder cutscene in Vault that shows the elder holding an orb and supposedly screaming.

[inland star]

Are there screenshots of these murals?

[robust flare]

You can also see king statues in the wasteland!
For murals, there's the intro mural, the mural in the Cave of Prophecies, and one in Eden (maybe more, I can't think of others)

I forgot also the vault cutscene shows it!

[nimble ingot]

water murals: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
eden mural: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Bonus King image from all elder cut scene: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[inland star]

So what's the giant think spewing the rocks in Eden, then? Is that where Rash resides?

[robust flare]

That is unknown. It is the source of the shards that fall from Eden, but there isn't a name for it. When it shattered, the storm started (presumably). There is a sort of progression of it shown in the shattering memories
I believe it was used to take light from the soul cycle, based on information from the art book.

[inland star]

But surely Rash can't be far

[scenic pebble]

it's questionable if he even is

[robust flare]

The devs say the Ruler can't be saved, but the dev did not specify what happened

However I just remembered
(I am severely tired 🫠 long day)
There is evidence that we have his light
My belief is that the ruler was split, he sacrificed himself so that the sky would have light again
Unfortunately I don't have the energy to find the sources rn
I have always thought some murals show it
And then there's things in the art book that suggest it
And a poem related to one of the shattering memories "empty light scattering the fragments of a spirit sundered in the break"

[inland star]

So Rash no longer has a physical form

[noble ferry]

destroys wall
DID SOMEBODY SAY RESH

[inland star]

Yep

[noble ferry]

So what do you wanna learn about them

[inland star]

What do you know?

[noble ferry]

A lot. Well, mostly stuff like an approximate timeline of their life and what they did

[inland star]

Well, lay it on me

[robust flare]

I'll bring art book information

[noble ferry]

Yea that'll be helpful so i dont have to dig through images from a friend that i saved

[robust flare]

Is that friend perchance Tom? 👀

[noble ferry]

nah it's another friend from that certain resh server

[robust flare]

Ah whoops

[noble ferry]

the essay will take a while and i have to go out in an hour soooo I will ping you when the essay is ready 👍

[inland star]

Ok, take your time

[narrow marsh]

Oh god, anyone but Rash, he's evil

[scenic pebble]

i heard he isn't so evil
he's just too rash in his descions which often leads to bad outcomes

[lucid bridge]

What larger structure do you think these arches were a part of? A fortifying wall? Something else?

[noble ferry]

seemed to be like decorative arches?

[narrow marsh]

It's a good question, because we see nothing even remotely like it in Valley or any concept art. Almost as if they just stuck it in there for a quick jab at attempting to convey the emotional levels of something looming. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Sorry, I never saw this! This speculation assumes many things:

Observations

1. Alef is the concept name of the Child (canon title via art book) who was raised by Dawn.

2. Resh is the concept name of the king/Ruler.

3. The art book states that the Child moves on from Dawn's ways. (The greater implication being that they uncovered Darkstone, and a way to not rely on Light.)

4. The Prophecy depicts a special child defeating the Trials, which somehow leads to new power being given to the Elders, and the victor of the Trials being worshipped and glorified by all.

5. Both Embers would try to 'save the world' in different ways, as confirmed in Skyfest and interviews.

6. The short-haired Ember has only been shown in a very archaic Ancestor kingdom, where Ancestors would use Light magic, surround temples, and prioritize strictly teaching traditions to newer generations.

7. The long-haired Ember has only been shown in an advanced yet decrepit, busy yet worn-down kingdom. Their trailers always had cutaways to showing the king, as well.

Assumptions

1. The Child is Alef.

2. The Child is the Chosen One from the Prophecy.

3. The Chosen One becomes the Ruler, the Eden Elder: Resh.

4. The first Ember's story is at the earliest era of the kingdom.

5. The second Ember's story is at the latest era of Ancestors, either just before, just after, or during the cataclysm.

From here it gets more complicated. I'll reference two theories with high contrast to each other for this next step.
Either:

6a. The Ancestor kingdom was very short-lived, or Ancestors lived centuries, meaning the entire kingdom's timeline occurs in a single Ancestor's lifespan.

6b. The first Ember was born at the beginning of the kingdom's history, while the second Ember was born at the end.

(Both 6a and 6b can be true at the same time. I just personally don't believe in 6a.)

In the end, all of this is indeed speculation, and is only an agreed-on common ground because concept art has reflected these Themes for years, specifically about the Eden Elder and who they were before. And as the Speculation asserts; when studying the trailers closely we have to begin to assume a timeline on where each Ember is.

But in terms of 'where *are* we 😭', here are the direct sources cited.

1. The Art of Sky (sky art book)

2. Tom Zhao's concept art page (specifically any king concepts!)

3. The surroundings of each Ember in their respective scenes in the three available TTE trailers

4. Skyfest

I hope this is interesting fuel to the fire! ![stickerLove](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/669711679340150828.webp?size=128 "stickerLove") 🕯️

[robust flare]

I used to wonder the same! I had the idea that perhaps the structures around were from above and that was the original architecture of the area

They also probably were painted blue or something. Then they'd look more familiar

It also could be that it's older models that have drifted on through the years, since they're on Tom Zhao's site
I included pictures that just reminded me of it

[narrow marsh]

Oh wow, so the arches were there! I wonder what they represented... 🕯️

[robust flare]

Oh interesting
The temple in the art is actually a newer version I believe
Unless they went back and forth on the design
One version was very decorative and pretty

[narrow marsh]

To some extent, they actually did go back and forth, and one of the old designs is actually still in the game! Here's an investigation on the mysterious alternate temple via Skyblr 🕯️🕯️🕯️

https://www.tumblr.com/defining-skyology/757775477825028096/dude-this-is-amazing-tyfys-you-make-a-great?source=share

[robust flare]

Yes I wanted to actually visit it but never did, but I use the camera to look at it sometimes!!

There actually is also a smaller gate above the current temple that can still move, it's interesting
I haven't noted how many versions of the temple there have been
Could be just the two, not sure

[tawdry wadi]

I just completed the 4th quest of the shattering thingy and decided to get close to the krills and took some photos and screenshots. Has anyone discover this yet? And the fact when you walk on them, it make a metal sound?

[lucid bridge]

Krills certainly do make metallic sounds as they fly by…

[lucid bridge]

Does anyone know if they removed the wind wall glitch at the shipwreck? I haven’t been able to get rid of the wind wall lately. Anyone have any tips or current tutorials or have done it recently? Please ping if you respond. Thanks!

[noble ferry]

I'll preface this by saying that Sky lore is just vague and some stuff may have speculation. Alright, let's begin.

The eden elder has plenty of names. King. Ruler. Alef. Resh. Dawn Ember. WHY THE MANY NAMES TGC???
First of all, the eden elder is considered the king or ruler of sky.
Alef and Resh are concept art names of the elder but they've become popular fanon names. Alef commonly refers to the eden elder as a young prince while Resh refers to them as the king.
And Dawn Ember? Well there's very many evidence pointing to the young short-haired child in the Two Embers trailers becoming the king.

A very rough timeline of the Eden Elder's Life

Once, a star fell into the once grassy isles. Ushering Stargazer and Rejecting Voyager witnessed this and rushed towards where the star landed, only to find a child. They take them in and cared for the child.

This child is Dawn Ember but I’ll just call them Alef.
Alef was looked after by the two spirits but eventually had to be sent away to the Prophecy Cave trials since Stargazer was succumbing to an illness crystalizing their arm.

So to the Prophecy Caves Alef went.
And how well did Alef fare in the prophecy caves? Pretty well actually. Every ancestor before them succumbed to the trials but Alef survived.
And so they were crowned the ruler of sky.

There is also speculation based on the murals that Alef won four colored lights from the trials and gave them to the elders:

• Green (Earth): Prairie
• Blue (Water): Forest
• Cyan (Air): Valley
• Orange (Fire): Wasteland

[pastel brook]

Perseverance is strength, @noble ferry!

[noble ferry]

Anyway, onto Alef becoming king so Imma call them Resh from now.

Resh’s relation with the other elders
Isle: Mentored Resh until outgrew teachings
Prairie: Unknown, did hoard light
Forest: Encouraged Resh’s curiousity to harness the power of light via diamonds
Valley: Spread Resh propaganda
Wasteland: Protected their ruler’s regime
Vault: Did report to them in the Skyfest Trailer

Also regarding Resh spreading the usage of diamonds.
Diamonds are special items made from darkstone (found in Prairie Peaks and mined in Treasure Reef) that allow light to be converted into power. These can be used for floating boats to opening and closing doors.
However, the manufacturing of these diamonds has consequences such as pollution which is what happened to Wasteland. Eventually this may have triggered the civil war in the wasteland where two sides, one against and for the diamonds.
It’s unknown what Wasteland Elder sided with though they likely defended their temple.

It’s also stated in the artbook that Resh constructed that Eden Diamond as a last act of hubris to mine and extract light from the light beacon back to The Light aka Orbit.
This diamond also led to their downfall.

Then comes along Dusk Ember who embarks on a journey with their sick manatee towards eden to try to convince the world to give up its power. Im unsure how exactly things went tbh so guess we wait.

We do know that Eden shattered and killed all the elders. It also spread shards all across the kingdom which spread darkness and caused ruin.

As for Resh’s fate.
No longer around to be saved. It is said in the artbook that they sacrificed their light to birth a new generation of skykids.
Maybe it has something to do with that wl in the elder shattering memory and that scene in skyfest trailer of Dawn ember and Dusk ember in the void.

Anyway that’s a “”””brief”””” of Resh lore

[narrow marsh]

Somewhere in that Tumblr reblog thread I linked, there is a tutorial, but I've personally never used it myself 🕯️

[cedar musk]

would anyone be kind enough to confirm or explain what side story islands exactly mean in moomin event?
my interpretation is, its showing how hard is for victims to break free and move on from what they've experienced
the house seemingly has 1 room but for the person corridors are lika a labyrinth that all lead to the same room, they cannot get away from what happened
you travel through forests with monsters and everything is falling on you, meanwhile from the other perspective you just left the house - it's very hard to leave "the house"(move on) and it seems like a whole travel
the house then sucking the person back in, once again proving how hard it is for them
and the room with floating furniture and doors shows how lost they are and every step for them is a big scary jump

[scenic pebble]

Wasteland seems to once have been a body of water
so it could've also been some sort of a bridge or platform it could've been a part of some building complex
they also seem unfinished with nothing built on them
or maybe it was destroyed by something that mostly spared the pillars

[pastel brook]

Worry no more, for your gallant bot in a shining white cape has arrived! Tis I, Skybot! I am here!

[noble ferry]

The side story does seem like a whole metaphor for escaping from abuse and neglect and the shaky procees

[versed mirage]

The entire sky kingdom is basically just everything wrong with capitalism lmo

[distant hatch]

The Golden Wasteland used to be called Golden Valley and was a place for the wealthy and rich, like a gated neighborhood.
Those were likely just decorative, showing off how wealthy everyone was with something other communities likely couldn’t afford to install without putting the people at risk.

[distant hatch]

Oooohhhhhh myyyy, ok I’ve actually got an opposing theory here!!!
The kingdom of sky is actually flooded.
There are a few tells to this idea, prominently the water trial from prophecy and the two embers trailers, especially the first one we saw advertising Sky for the switch.

For the clearer of the two, the switch advert showcased a caravan crossing through the lands of sky, yet the land we saw was incredibly different from the present kingdom. And additionally, the path taken was quite odd for the present, as the caravan came from other parts of the kingdom and then to Isle from the bottom, despite the bottom of isle in the present being completely surrounded by deep waters.

As for the water trial, the formation of land had always felt quite familiar. When I thought about it, I noticed it appears to somewhat mimic the land formation of the kingdom of sky itself, with there being a tall mountain with a bright beam of light and a child of light at the far end with the opposing end being the starting point.
It doesn’t fully resemble the kingdom in the present, but it certainly represents it.

To link these pieces together, it appears that the kingdom was certainly flooded. First of all, the trials of prophecy may have told prophecies themselves. And the water trial would have told the prophecy of flooding with the rising and lowering water.
Additionally the only way for the switch trailer journey to make sense is if there were to be more land around the kingdom allowing the communities to be more physically linked together. It’s even possible that the caravan came from behind isle as there appears to be a land mass back there in the present day.

As an additional tid bit of reasoning, the treasure reef has an immense amount of man made structures and stationary tools, like carts, far beneath the water level. These items would not reasonably be built under the water, it’s simply impractical and nullifies the use of these items.(cont. in next message)

The only reasonable explanation I can find as to why they are under the water is flooding. They couldn’t have sunk as there would be far more destruction.
The buildings are instead very much so intact.
Now, the treasure reef is level with the ocean, so if it flooded, then that would mean the whole ocean has risen, unless the entirety of the kingdom of sky has sunk down somehow, which I find quite improbable.

[robust flare]

Ash, one of the concept artists, has a headcanon that wasteland was flooded!

[placid moss]

the submerged equipment in treasure island, to me, was a clear indication this place has been abandoned a long time, long enough for the sea level to change and sand to consume and fill in areas. when I first looked around the place I sent to screenshots to a dev friend saying 'heres now you do an abandoned mine, a ladder sticking out of the ground! implied caves!!' 😛

[robust flare]

Changed language to Japanese and using Google translate to see what these say

[scenic pebble]

is it flooded?
parts certainly are but it's difficult to say that about the whole which we see little of
||though it's certainly covered by clouds||
but that isn't what i was going after in that
first of all, Wasteland once was a body of water, not now
this is a theory founded in reality about as much as my "Light is actually an interstellar hivemind" and taken from a bunch of frames from the Dawn Ember trailer that make it look like the spot before the gates looks like a dried up bottom of some body of water paired with something looking like a ship sitting there
as for the treasure reef
yeah, it was flooded
but let us first think about what it was before
what is depicted on the murals?
a laboratory that was mostly underground and had some way to look at what was in the water outside
hmmmm
i wonder what would've happened if a big bad thing came by and destroyed the glass on the bottom
surely nothing bad
as to why a lot of stuff that seemed to have been built on the surface is now underwater
consider this
we see many a floating island
what if the treasure reef was once a floating island that for some purpose was partially sunk and after king krill struck whatever processes kept it from sinking more stopped working or lost on their effectivness causing it to sink more ||maybe all the tunnels getting filled with water increased it's average density and caused it to sink more||
what do i see as working in favor of this is a lack of any other landmass visible or directly connected to it (you get there by a boat, not just pass through the realms)
i'm not so sure about it but do we see the island connect to the sea floor?
surely not something that happened everywhere else
as to how more land around the kingdom thingy works
i have one answer
clouds

[robust flare]

The Chinese translations are not right, I might have to translate myself 😭

[distant hatch]

The kingdom of sky is mostly at a very high elevation, the water didn’t go that high up, additionally, if those arches in the golden wasteland(the place once meant to host the wealthy upper class)were bridges, they would look much more detailed and fancy like the broken bridge that we cross in the same area, the one that has gold edging along it.

As for treasure reef, there are no indications of it once having been floating in any way, the foundations are certainly too mesh with and built for the ground for that to be true and the land mass blends in with the rest of the area more than it would had something it’s size fallen from the sky.
Not to mention the place has dark stone mines in it and all the buildings were built with not protection against flooding in mind.
As for the murals, those likely depict light extraction, as dark stone can’t work without light.

Another thing to keep in mind while theorizing is that this is a mobile game with limitations, the outer bits of the map likely won’t be added due to these limitations.

Also, the flooding seems to have happened gradually while the ancestors were still alive, in one mural, we see ancestors underground walking normally and all, and in another, we see the ancestors mining above ground with the water level being too high to make the previously mentioned mural possible at its time. This is where the boat came in.

Also, what are your thoughts on the switch announcement trailer? How did that caravan get from far away from Isle to the bottom portion of it if there was lots of water.
Speaking of isle, wouldn’t it have not existed at that time?
Wasteland is very mesh with the sea, it’s practically a coastal area at this point. The same is said with Isle, being completely surrounded by the ocean. If wasteland were flooded previously, but the water levels have lowered, then Isle wouldn’t have existed until more recently.(cont. in next post)

[robust flare]

THE KOREAN TRANSLATIONS
I forgot to switch to Korean on the translator
That's why
I am smrt
And that's why the Chinese was bad oops

[distant hatch]

The very same could be said for the treasure reef, which completely contradicts what is seen in the murals there.
And as another tid bit for treasure reef. If it were to have once been a floating island, wouldn’t we have seen hints of that? Perhaps murals even? I’m fact, the entire abyss part of the treasure reef shouldn’t exist of this we’re true, it’s far too deep and expansive, the island would have completely sunk right down to the bottom of that pit, never to be seen again.

As for Ruby, the leviathan, if it could have done any damage to break a mechanism, why didn’t it break free on its own? In fact, we see no ability of the leviathan to live above the water. It’s possible it can’t even fly.

As for dry land, that’s simply a natural occurrence, the area likely doesn’t get much water, I mean think about that one desert that’s below sea level, all cracked and dry like it used to be a bed of water, which is possible, but through so many thousands of years, it’s not had nearly any at all.

It is very possible that the sea level has been rising and lowering for many hundreds of years, which is a possible reason for the dry sea bed look, but when the ancestors were building up society, the water levels were certainly lower.

My train of thought is more like a train of caravans without a path.

Anywho, it is up to interpretation

[scenic pebble]

yeah
the Wasteland part i always thought it was artificially dried like an overly exploited lake near an industrial hub
since it's one place with a lotta tubes that ||at least in concept art|| seemed to deal with darkness waste
anyways
i would like to say i came up with three ideas about the water levels

1. nothing ever happened
2. it was gradual and slow
3. it was a another catastrophe that happened very rapidly

in the end
believe what you want

[distant hatch]

Ye, also, I personally think that the water trial is helpful for the water level case.

[inland star]

I also read somewhere in the wiki (Idk if it can be considered Canon) that pollution also helped make the Wastelands what it is today

[robust flare]

Lore chat I call upon thee
To bring to light thy cultural and religious interpretations of the game

[distant hatch]

Look at the art book lol/j

[robust flare]

I need more than the book has to offer!!

[spiral vault]

I think Home+Treasure Reef+Wasteland+Sanctuary Islands+ Isle are at sea level, but everything else is floating

[nimble ingot]

dont forget little prince's starlight desert.
Believe it, or not. It does have some bodies of water that seemingly lead to an ocean. That, or just a lake and the devs did not bother making the surrounding landscape.
Yes, I know the idea is for it to look dream like. But then there is also the problem of integrating parts of it into the actual area like the Eden mountain being so close and it is/was connected to the vault via a tunnel.

[distant hatch]

I still miss the tunnel connection

[narrow marsh]

It just made so much more sense. I like to imagine the tunnel is the same, but on a higher floor that the elevator there carries you to after meditating. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Valley is also a grounded mountain range, to me personally 🕯️

So the better way to say it may be that the only floating lands are essentially all of Prairie and Forest (except for Sanctuary and maybe the Peaks.)

[spiral vault]

I'm not sure, I think floating mountains make just as much sense

[muted goblet]

I was speculating that too lol

But if wasteland was flooded then how and why did they make temples there

[noble ferry]

I do wonder what's underneath the sky kingdom if it really all is in the sky

[nimble ingot]

underground region would be awesome

[distant hatch]

When you fall down to wasteland, I believe you can see the base of the valley mountains.

[distant hatch]

It was flooded after the construction likely.

[muted goblet]

And then the flood was gone? Then the concept of the flood is pointless

[distant hatch]

No, the flood is still there, the oceans seemed to have flooded and haven’t lowered since then.

[muted goblet]

Then why are there ships laying on the sand

[distant hatch]

Because they could fly

[muted goblet]

Btw are the collab seasons canon to the story?

[distant hatch]

Maybe

[scenic pebble]

depends on how you perceive their "canonicity"

read from here and down for an older discussion about it

[robust flare]

The Aurora one is somewhat. The others are up for interpretation I think

[muted goblet]

Tgc didn't give any clarification?

[distant hatch]

The starlight desert itself is a canon place with it having a physical connection to the wind paths.

[inland star]

What's the story behind the light children (the ones that give wls)

[scenic pebble]

those whose pilgrim ended too soon
but now they help others on it

[lyric arrow]

Aurora and tlp are canon.

9cd is just a story, told inside world of sky. It could be conected to enchantment and lighseekers tho.

At least that's what i think about it.

[lyric arrow]

All lore related things in sky are really up to your own interpretation. There's really not a lot of concrete information in it

[robust flare]

There was something about the AURORA season as well but I can't find it
Ash said something like, listen to the stories the spirits are telling

This wasn't the whole thing about AURORA season, there was more

[narrow marsh]

Hey, great question!
Due to the surreal, metaphysical applications of a worldbuilding system Sky uses that the "Art of Sky" art book tells us was called "Mental Spaces"; the developers can implement a lot of strange and powerful visuals into the game without making it 'noncanon', per se.

Spaces are these strange pockets that break out of the 'physical plane' as we know it, and allow the skychildren to see and experience things beyond our reality.
Because of this, Spaces are often theorized to be access points into a different plane of reality, parallel to ours. 👀

With this in mind, here is a commentary on what the application of Spaces provides to the context of some of the collaboration areas! 🕯️

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

However, while this helps us further speculate about the areas, characters like the Little Prince remain even more confusing. I personally see him as an alien to our normal Nature of the Light. 🕯️

[distant hatch]

Not necessarily, they could be left over light from The Prince.
I mean, the end of shushing light scholar’s memory seems to interact with a winged light, and could be interpreted as them studying or meeting the prince.

[scenic pebble]

cool idea
slight counterpoint with some of them being in places that were only created/discovered after The Shattering
but maybe some really were made from a memory of Resh

[distant hatch]

Yeah, and in general, they could be concentrations of light residue from other sky kids.

TGC has stated that all the changes they make to the game are to be considered as always having been there from a lore stand point.

[spiral vault]

It's hard to say, I think all of them sort of are, but it's fiercely debated

[distant hatch]

I think with the starlight desert having a passage in the wind paths it’s safe to say it’s got some canonicity.

And the nine colored deer seems to be metaphorical for The Light and the kingdom

[molten dust]

hey gang what do we think happens when we collide w the dark creatures as light? e.g deer quest, end of fire trial, final moomin grey quest..

[forest bluff]

Why is it that when skykids glide, their hands make trails in the air?

[molten dust]

I think it’s the wings that are doing that?? And smth smth children of light

[forest bluff]

The trails seem to come from their outstretched hands though

[lyric arrow]

If that's same effect as planes leave then those are contrails. Simply put: cold air+hot exhaust gases.

Thet rises the question of why do we exhaust from our hands lol

[molten dust]

vrrm vroom car

[lyric arrow]

Honestly, that does make sense for world to be cold. There a thing that sucked up alot of light/energy in one big boom and world definitely didn't recover from this still.

Why we exhaust heat from hands is interesting. It opens some more discussion about internal works of how skids work.

I have so much different sky lore info to go through after Aurora concert. It's a bit overwhelming honestly. Aurora gives a lot of info about past of sky before shattering.

[muted goblet]

Can you narrate the whole story of sky? Coz you seem to be a professional when it comes to sky lore lol

[lyric arrow]

I don't think there's a "whole story of sky" to narrate. At least not yet.

All we know for sure about story of sky is:
Ancestors lived their route > Shattering happened > Everyone died > Present times as we see them in game

Everything else is up to your own interpretation. You can as Tomte about it later. They have some handy links to the running theories and other lore bits and bobs.

[muted goblet]

So is there any theory which is widely accepted by the community?

[lyric arrow]

Yeah you can find them on wiki.

Also check out this tomte copy paste #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[muted goblet]

Alright

[steel falcon]

Heres a concept of the orbit area in development of the game where the megabird picks up everyone and cure for me plays while everyone flys away for reborn

And also a concept of orbits beginning where alef who also I theorised to be aurora saves us from the kings body

[hushed steeple]

Can someone please tell me the story of this season..... I mean I get the moomin one but who is that grey child and what is their story?

[versed mirage]

Hey guys any ideas of what species these eggs belong to? Considering that manta give live birth irl, and the birds we often see ig are smaller than the eggs, why are there eggs up that one place only?

[narrow marsh]

I was this close to sending it just now. Hand is off the trigger

[noble ferry]

I know it's simply an easter egg literally

[scenic pebble]

dev joke easter egg
it won't stop me from thinking Light creatures get born from The Orbit and nowhere else

[scenic pebble]

logical reason:
it looks pretty cool
possible in-lore explanation:
this is gonna borrow from my previous Light wing theory and the exhaust gas one and will make i feel real
basically a skids hands are wired to its wings
when the flap dose gets used up, the skid starts transferring Light to it's wings
but
since they're wired to the hands by some invisible canal going through air the relatively large amount of Light going through starts heating up the point at which it exits or some Light just gets lost and does some wacky stuff in the back
i'm not exactly sure where to go further with it

[distant hatch]

I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be like the streaks of air or whatever that you can see off of a fast flying vehicle. I’m not sure what it’s called, but it’s some sort of physics thingy, and it’s on the hands cuz those are the most distal hard/solid parts of the sky kid on its lateral sides while flying.

[inland star]

Well, it could also be like and airplane when they fly through cold air

[distant hatch]

Also, whenever a sky kid flaps, their light turns the shade of blue that is typically associated with darkness or lack of light, which seems to be the visible signal of light usage.
That accompanied with the little dots of light that appear alongside the flap seems to indicate that the light just goes out into the surrounding area, with the light streams coming from the hands being the boost.
Perhaps if the friction cloud stream thingy were elsewhere the boost stream would appear there instead?

[distant hatch]

Makes sense, the kingdom of Sky seems pretty chilly lol.

So the boost streams could be the result of the boost creating really hot air that creates light?!?!!??!?!

[inland star]

Considering the fact that sky kids are fallen stars, it would only make sense that their bodies are naturally hot.

[distant hatch]

Yup!!!!
That’s why everything is attracted to them, they’re freezing and sky kids are like space heaters!!!!!

[inland star]

So there you go, that's why sky kids leave a trail when they fly

[distant hatch]

And the reason capes seem to move with hands sometimes is because they’re made of light thus allowing sky kids to theoretically move their capes with their mind like an extra limb.

[scenic pebble]

just one small issue
why do only their hands leave trails and only when flying?

[distant hatch]

Because they’re the most distal lateral parts

Grammar mistake, I’m tired, couldn’t get any good sleep last night

[scenic pebble]

enlighten me why does that matter in this context

[distant hatch]

Because it’s like the wings on a plane

That felt kinda rude btw.
Not trying to be mean, just letting you know.

[lean canopy]

I have a theory on why the emotes are taught to the player by ghosts.

The ghosts dont teach the player the emotes, because we all know that a person can wave without aanyone teaching them how to. But the ghosts show the player what emotes are appropriate to use within the Sky kingdom!

And the player in this case does not know what emotes are appropriate to use and what arent.

[cobalt palm]

Why am I now imagining moths running about making "inappropriate" gestures

[lyric arrow]

Lmao... yeah that doesn't really add up

[distant hatch]

Maybe the spirits are teaching the sky kids ways to express themselves?

[robust flare]

From old Sky, I'm not sure the exact meaning but search the lore chat, there's probably information about it!

[jovial roost]

from what I know, this was an old quest in sky light awaits, they called that "eagle's nest", I heard that those eggs were just some easter eggs and not real eggs from some species but who knows

(oh and hey, I didnt say hey x) )

[weary charm]

I kinda feel like emoting is the primary language of skids and ancestors. As the skid relive more memories, they learn add new emotes or "words" to their vocabulary (ancestors are teaching skid lessons from their own pasts). And they're able to express themselves and communicate better as their vocab grows.

I guess I'm also saying that emotes are/could be the primary language of sky. It would be a non verbal/sign language. Which could explain why there isn't any written language shown anywhere. I think murals and pictures would count as the written language for sky, kinda like Egyptian hieroglyphs.

(I hope what I wrote makes sense, I didn't get enough sleep :')

[weary charm]

So I guess I'm saying that the ancestors are teaching the skid the language

[robust flare]

There actually is a written language! It's on the bells and stuff

[weary charm]

Ohh I see, yeah I wasn't completely sure if there was or not

That's cool! :D

[twilit portal]

Question: do living people exist in the world of Sky or is everyone dead? If some animals survived, couldn't humans? 🤔

[scenic pebble]

sorry if i'm being mean here
but it doesn't work because wings
it works because jets
the traces left by planes are the exhaust gasses from jets

[scenic pebble]

what animals survived?

[twilit portal]

All the ones we see in the game? Apart from spirit mantas that is

[scenic pebble]

exactly
point is, we don't see many Light creatures that call land their home
praire peaks being the exception

[narrow marsh]

A big picture we're missing here in this conversation, is that the trails glow!

Light substance is definitely involved here somehow

A second note I'll add, is that the trail appears even when we're capeless! Showing that it's definitely the skykid and not the winged light that makes up the cape. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Wait... That actually be something.

What if we can consider the possibility that blue doesn't represent Light warp, but Light usage! As a consumable tool, as with within power diamonds...

It's not fleshed out but this might be something interesting.... 🕯️

[robust flare]

Ooh like a chemical reaction perhaps!

[distant hatch]

It’s also a general aesthetic that can be seen in many games where something flies(not just planes)

[narrow marsh]

I'll be looking up the physics for sure.

But just the fact that these trails visibly:

1. Remain for a long time, unlike real air streaking
2. Glow

Almost designates that they are not 'normal' and most certainly are effects of Light; this is, the creature of Light that is Us.

[scenic pebble]

ah, this part
sorry, i forgot about that piece of how wings work

[distant hatch]

Lol

[robust flare]

Wait
This actually changed my perception of light
There must be some physical aspect that stays with us and can carry the non-physical light

There's a Tao comparison to a candle where it's like
The wax and wick are the foundation
The flame is the energy force
And then there's the light radiating off the flame

Not making a Tao comparison here, but there seems to be light that leaves us so we can't fly, but there is something else that we carry with us that can hold that light
Idk if I'm making sense I'll draw it

Quick sketch

[scenic pebble]

i would think about it more like an ion engine than a rocket one

[real mortar]

Hi lore friends I have a question, you know how darkness consumes light and that’s why krills can extinguish us and dark plants have trapped light creatures in them - why don’t the dark plants try to absorb our candle light when we go to burn them? like could there be a lore possibility (cause I know gameplay wise we need to be able to burn them to get the wax, it would be wild if we fought to burn them and they kept eating our flame )

[inland star]

You think it's how the shards react to water?

[gleaming mango]

I theorize that darkness plants have a limited capacity for light or can only capture butterflies, and overwhelming them with light in the form of fire makes them burst

[scenic pebble]

sky kid used fire
it was super effective

[real mortar]

Ohh that makes sense! I know that the bigger ones can trap bigger creatures so it feels like it's not too small to absorb candle light, maybe it's more about the intensity our candles come from our souls as I understand? Maybe it's very pure and very strong

[gleaming mango]

Perhaps

I do wonder how darkness plants capture butterflies in the first place, though

[lyric arrow]

What i think about those plants is that they are growths from darkness corruption. They themselves are not the darkness, but result of darkness polution corrupting creatures.

Not the cause, but the symptom

[gleaming mango]

What if darkness plants are just corrupted light plants?

I also wonder if they’re a metaphor for harmful invasive plant species

[lyric arrow]

They do look pretty similar

[real mortar]

Ohh like the light blooms we see on trees in forest?

[scenic pebble]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059123185-4KY383PE8A2IQ8F7IWS1/033_Sky.jpg?format=1500w
i feel like this can be important

[robust flare]

Yes! I have thought that still rings true for a while
Especially since butterflies come out of them now after burning them

[spiral vault]

Yeah, I like the theory a lot here, sadly it's not that well expressed in gameplay

Sometimes a spirit does something that looks different than the emote, for a funny example look at Fainting Warrior losing their life and then the Skykids doing a comedic drop

[spiral vault]

None of the spirits survived. The simple reason was that they went extinct, but a more complex reason is that the sheer darkness caused all the civilization to collapse. The light creatures could fly/swim/hide to avoid it, but the ancestor spirits were trapped

[narrow marsh]

I theorize that it takes a while for them to grow over, around, or into () you.

Perhaps the mantas and butterflies that we see trapped there, were resting in place.
There are still many unanswered questions that this concept spawns, of course. 🕯️

[viral bay]

I haven't lurked in here since a long time, the lore ik is probably outdates by now

I knew about Resh and general technological evolution of Sky with darkstone/Diamonds, sky concept arts etc. but all of this knowledge came from before the Artbook was released.

Can someone tell me what the Sky Artbook revealed abt Sky lore?

[spiral vault]

Not that much, except that the Resh's 'canon' name is Ruler

[noble ferry]

You understand, mechnical hands, I am the ruler of everything-

Some other directly stated info on the elders like how Vault Elder was an oracle and Prairie Elder hoarded light.
Also I think there was something stated about the Ruler bringing a new generation of skykids? Couldnt find where tho

[shrewd mango]

just wondering, in-game representation of the king or perhaps a spear?

also there seem to be more fragments on isle's side than on valley/vault

[scenic pebble]

while isle is less polluted it's covered by more ash/sand
i'm not sure what to think about it

[narrow marsh]

It confirmed quite a bit, and gave hints towards some deeper more complicated topics! Here are some I personally find really interesting:

• Ruler / Eden Elder is canon.
• The prince's canon title is "the Child".
• The Child canonically did indeed reject Isle Elder's ways.
• The Megabird is real and is confirmed to be an abstract "cosmic web" that all Light is a part of, rather than an entity.
• The pipes in Wasteland are confirmed to have been used to move (polluted) Dark Water out of their structures and into the sea.
• The Eden Crystal is now confirmed to have been a "Light-mining device", but more elaboration was not given, only the term.
• Dream-like other plane of reality is confirmed to be a 'real' mechanic; titled as "Mental Spaces".

[shrewd mango]

just wondering if there are any more info about the "isle elder's way"?

[narrow marsh]

Not concretely! Only in speculation by the community.
Judging from the evidence that has led to the popularized beliefs about the Child and his journey to become the Ruler, Darkstone definitely played a role in the schism between the Elders. 🕯️

[viral bay]

Thank you so much!

[scenic pebble]

alternate reality Megabird be like
||he's a slightly violent guy but if you aren't threatening his existence he's pretty chill and might even drop life on some desolate place||

[inland star]

Does anyone know what these bones belonged to?

[scenic pebble]

most common theory is that these are whale bones
but in the end any Light creature would fit *if large enough

[inland star]

Also, why do shards react like this to water?

[scenic pebble]

isn't this just a black shard?
water has little to do with it in my opinion

[noble ferry]

There’s also a theory that the skulls belong to gigantic turtle light creatures

[celest flame]

Any theories on this mural of Aurora in harmony hall? Also pls @ me cause I wanna read theories as soon as possible

[scenic pebble]

prophecy of the concert

[languid bramble]

Me personally, I think Aurora has something to do with or is a Megabird
I believe she's the personification of Light. She brings all of the Sky Children together, and reminds us we'll always have a place in Sky—her Queendom
She brought us to Orbit and retold our own story, one she knows of and one we have never seen
She's a guide in many ways, and she's like that old saying "There's always a light at the end of the tunnel" because there's always something to strive for, and that she'll always be here for the Sky Kids even if she isn't immediately present

I don't remember much of the Megabird besides it being there at Orbit and potentially guiding us along, as Aurora does
I think there was something in an old beta with the Megabird guiding us at the very beginning of the game as well, but it took a much smaller form

[normal slate]

Can i get a refresh of the lore? i lowk forgot 🥹

[scenic pebble]

💀
@normal slate , got you the Tomte copypasta link

[normal slate]

oh ty!!

[inland star]

Every other shard is red

[scenic pebble]

every?
correct me if i'm wrong but red shards drop ascended candles while black ones drop wax
and black shards drop in other places too
i may be misremembering something though so correct me if i'm wrong

[inland star]

I never seen black shards. But I'm new, so what do I know

[scenic pebble]

welp
then i advise you to see more shards
and then reach your own conclusion upon your own observations

[lyric arrow]

Shards alternate between red and black. Some days there's no shard, but alternation stays.

[narrow marsh]

Black shards are shards with less Light trapped inside.
Red shards reveal memories of the Shattering from the creatures, while black shards just give you a huge amount of wax.

Black shards do not correspond with water or any environmental detail; and the chance of black vs. red shards is on a completely random system.

Hope this helps! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Ah, you mean it was a red shard area, but there was a single black shard crystal? That's actually interesting, I've never seen anyone point that out! Who knows, maybe you found something unique

I'll have to pay attention if there's any black shards at a red cluster the next time I go 🕯️

[inland star]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Eden, no?

[bright lion]

Yes

[harsh timber]

does anyone know what happened to the doc with all the lore spoilers?

[inland star]

Then what's it doing in Harmony Hall. And why would they have a picture of it?

[harsh timber]

migth be one of the backgrounds that refers to eden?

[inland star]

Most likely, but why would they have it?

[harsh timber]

macbeth style plays? im not sure it might be more for the players than indicative of the spirits, like they knew that the dark dragons had appeared in wasteland, and to cope with the war, started making plays??

[inland star]

Sounds plausible

[bright lion]

I think it’s because they just got the paint scheme wrong

Also, how does Vault seem to be mostly if not completely intact for the most part despite being relatively close to ground of the crystal?

[inland star]

Enchanted?

[bright lion]

I could see that, since we kinda let taken into a pocket realm after the 2nd floor

[narrow marsh]

Hm? You're referencing some sort of document that has lore information or theories? There's been quite a many few of those. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Well, being buried deep inside a mountain helps. 🕯️

[scenic pebble]

why are Fallout Vaults mostly untouched by the nukes that fell?
probably because it was prepared for this?

[inland star]

I mean, it's a Vault

[harsh timber]

I would like to see all of them? The one I'm thinking of is prob a couple years old anyway

A link to them, or just pinning them in the channel would help

My friend has never contemplated lore so I'm trying to help her get started

[bright lion]

I thought it was just a vault where they stored knowledge and all that, because of all the glyphs that basically said that

[scenic pebble]

well, yes
but it is also inside a fortress and a giant mountain
it was also a giant refuge
lastly
why do you think they were gathering all the knowledge inside such a place?
i always thought it was supposed to be a safe Vault full of knowledge for after the bad times/the apocalypse goes away

[narrow marsh]

I don't know about retrieving all of them, as most are lost to time, only being passed around by word of mouth.
Not to mention that most are outdated. If you'd like active, accurate resources, we can definitely provide those, however.

But if you're really set on those documents, @nimble ingot or Maelstrom might know where to find some. 👀🕯️

[nimble ingot]

pinned messages on this channel usually have links to these old docs.
There are also links one can lookup in this channel with the search function.

[narrow marsh]

I think they've disavowed pinning more lore content by the community, but that's a cool idea!

Found a pinned thing full of resources!

[nimble ingot]

It would be nice to have a wiki that stays up to date with the lore. But to put like this...

It will have to cover anything from the old, to the new, and anything in between:

• each realm (as is)
• each season (as well as cross referencing)
• then the ancestors
• the season guides (because they are tied to their seasons and some have their own lore)
• the elders
• the creatures (which can be bundled with the realms tbh)
• skykids
• collabs

Then the old Light Awaits, which would be very hard to research and source as they are ... well ... old

• development
• concept art (from the various artists which includes Tom Zhao)
• scrapped/removed content

And there are even lore that goes beyond the game itself!

• assemblies
• conventions
• art books (surprise surprise)
• and even some parallels drawn from Journey and Flower

I know a good amount of this from the research done over the years.
And there are no easy ways to simply condense all of that into 1 document.
What all of this would become is something more rich on information and research.
What this is, is a whole thesis.
A lore archive

And this does not even cover theories.
This is what I consider the "Theory" behind the theories.
The research that people have gone over and then used to work out what is missing.

Because even if we can squeeze every drop of raw lore from the game and other sources. There will be more gaps and holes.
This is what theorists on here have been working on filling in as best as they can without going off into fanon.
And while fanon is something worth looking at, it sadly remains to be something the fans interpret of the story in Sky. And not the meaning of the story itself, or even necessarily the meaning by TGC.

[harsh timber]

Thank you

[harsh timber]

Nah it's ok, thanks for the help

[patent pagoda]

What time period is Sky even in?

[nimble ingot]

The present as far as TGC is concerned.

I have heard many theories over the years about it being in the future, in the past, in an alternate reality, a new reality, no reality (time traveling) and even its own measure of time.

There are creative people who have looked at it visually, from a story telling standpoint, and even a worldbuilding standpoint.

[narrow marsh]

Do you maybe mean the culture/architecture of the Ancestors or the Spirits? 🕯️

[patent pagoda]

Mostly just like the spirits
I was mostly asking bc I'm drawing some characters into the sky style, they each have periods of clothing that don't seem to fit.. Whatever period of time Sky is in and i wanna know what period to change it to (modern, Victorian, etc)
So basically what period of clothes do the spirits actually wear?

(Also sorry i may have misunderstood the question- ^^”)

[narrow marsh]

So the Spirits are dead, but the living versions of the Spirits, which we call the Ancestors, had a culture stemming mostly from pre-modern West-Asia societies, basically within the past 100-300 centuries.

However, if we're talking about current-day Sky, which is long after the Ancestors have all died and become Spirits; clothing seems to have no cultural or even physical limitations anymore, heavily influenced by the lively and creative goings of the skychildren. (Who possibly can shapeshift to have whatever outfit they want.)

I have seen many amazing fanart over the years, of skychildren in beautiful dresses, armor, modern suits, etc.
I haven't ever really seen skykids portrayed in really modern outfits like hoodies and the like, but Days of Style did give us literal jeans. (Even if they aren't canon and ridiculously expensive.)

TLDR:
The first paragraph is what we know for sure, but the rest are just my interpretations. I hope you get to draw amazing things however you like! 🕯️

And here are some examples of the clothes the Ancestors are influenced by!
Bhutan holds its cultures and traditions close even in modern day, retaining much of what made it unique compared to other countries.

[patent pagoda]

Oh my god tysm you're a life saver

[spiral vault]

My theory is, in a complicated way, all of them at once. It seems as if the Sky spirits led drastically different lives. Some were close to hunter-gatherers, while others were industrial leaders and generals.

Also, each realm relates to a different time period: Isle is ancient, Prairie is classical, etc., all the way to the futuristic Vault and post-apocalyptic Eden.

[spiral vault]

I'm unsure if the "default" spirit culture have any link to real-world cultures. If you mean stuff like the base game spirits, it's hard to find any relation there

[wanton turtle]

Realms are also snapshots in the timeline and technological advancment of the Ancestor's civilization

[narrow marsh]

While the shoulder garbs used by the Ancestors add even more to the unique visual of Ancestor clothing, the relation in the images is distinctly related to the dressing style of the outfits we get from the Ancestors, it is indeed true that the developers disavow tying Sky too directly to Bhutan or even west Asia, due to wanting to appear vague and up to interpretation. 🕯️

[steel falcon]

Holy orbit that is a manga panel

[spiral vault]

I wonder if they're not snapshots, but instead all of them coexisted together, even at different technology levels

[distant hatch]

What’s the probability that Sky X Among Us could happen?/j

[steel falcon]

Sky the two embers is happening in 1 month everybody stay calm

[narrow marsh]

There was an announcement about January???

[spiral vault]

There's a slim, basically 0% theoretical chance. It's more probably it'll be spring or even later... we really need a speculation channel

[steel falcon]

Well hopefully it's in my 2nd year anniversary of completion of sky

[lyric arrow]

Hm i wonder, does hair exist in world of sky?

"Yeah, duh, it does. We see it on spirits and us."

There's a problem wit it: masks and spirit clothing. We do see spirits have hairstyles, beards and mustaches, but why do they come through masks and clothing? Why some hairstyles have different levels of "intensity"? What i think is that that isn't hair, but some kind of ascesory that allows ancestors to have hair. There's non 0 chance that skids use the same technology for their entire outfits.

[celest birch]

Given how extinguished Skykids look like, they´re implied to be a light projection alright, just like custom outfits and masks. :)

[lyric arrow]

For skids, yes, entire outfit is a light projection. For spirits i think it's only hair and maybe capes.

[celest birch]

Spirits are basically all light, thus same applies, only for their whole being. 🤭

I do think that their true forms are those balls of light we see them turn into while their humanoid forms are a thing they regain once we help them remember. ˆ-ˆ

[lyric arrow]

That sounds reasonable for their spirit forms, but what about when they were alive?

[celest birch]

That is another matter altogether. Even if honestly, given how are masks done in our world, I wouldn´t be surprised if same applies to them as well; their hair is actual real hair while "hair" on masks are for decorative purposes.

Kind of like how we have wigs made of real hair in our world. :) And some spirits are actually visibly bald ...

[scenic pebble]

Oh boy
It gets weird
First of all
Hair seems to be a nigh nonexistent thing in the current state of Sky
But, given how actual fabric was being made in the time of Spirits and even furcoats it seems pretty possibile that living ancestors had some hair of their own
Or maybe no, a definite answer would require a confirmed deep dive into Ancestor biology

[distant hatch]

I’m gonna make some hair theory use here:
-the ancestors did grow hair, but very few could grow facial hair so others made fake facial hair to mimic them.
-Ancestors couldn’t grow hair, they made wigs(from what? Maybe wooly mantas.)
-Some ancestors put holes for facial hair in their masks.
-Facial hair never existed, it’s moss or something.
-Now that I think about it, ancestors were likely made of rock like sky kids are, so hair could’ve been some sort of moss or something that they cultivated on themselves, and since masks could be made of rock, they cultivated it on their masks too.
-Ok, this is actually sticking out to me, how would they even grow hair? We don’t even know if they can bleed, much less physically heal like humans can! But then how do they grow?!?!!??!??
-It’s magic.

We also have to wonder whether or not TGC actually considered the lore implications of hair.

[steep ridge]

is the childs story in season of the moomins a parallel to ninnys ? smth smth braving the unknown / finding the confidence to take those first steps forward smth smth
or is it another story set apart from the moomins ? was a wee unclear on it but it was very moving

[celest flame]

Hey lore chat, were the elder even elders before Resh came to be? I'm making a PowerPoint presentation so that my cousin understands the lore but I'm lacking a lot of the facts😭

[nimble ingot]

In the current lore, it is believed that the elders came into existence in the realms (meaning, they were never born. They are like guardians or deities of their realms).

In the old lore, it is suggested in concept art (aka not confirmed canon) that elders were ancient ancestors who became elders.

Either way it goes, they are certainly different than the ancestors, let alone the ancestor spirits.

There is sadly not much lore about them specifically in Sky.
Aside from the facts that skykids can only see them after meditating at a shrine, or summoning them in Orbit.
And that they ruled over their respective realms and had their own responsibilities.
They more or less line up with their the idea of the realms represent the time of day as well as age in life.
dawn- birth, day - childhood, forest/rain - adolescence, valley/sunset - adulthood, wasteland/dusk - midlife crisis, vault/night - elderhood, eden/storm - death, orbit - rebirth

[distant hatch]

The elder designs are based off of how you would see an adult at the realms’ respective stages of life.

[scenic pebble]

prophecy cave tells you that their specific domains of Light and their virtues or personalities or whatever are supposed to be reflected in them were given to them by the ruler/Chosen One
or at least meant to
JUST AS HOW WE WERE MEANT TO HAVE AN ARMY OF DARKSTONE POWERED MECH SUITS BUT RESH CUT FUNDING TO FOCUS ON HIS BIG STONE
(this is just a sideline joke, the Prophecy mural actually depicts some inancestor looking forms behind the Wasteland Elder, possibly what was meant to be an autonomus army and some sort of an idea of mechanical enemies from the concept art)

[celest flame]

Man what do I really tell my cousin 😭

[scenic pebble]

begin by saying
"this is all my idea of what went down and how everything works"
because there are many ways of looking at Sky lore
some more plausible than others, some are more intertwined with eachother
but all are just as valuable to the community

[celest flame]

Alr ! Tysm, I'll try to say what I think, but I swear if it ends up being far from canon I'll writhe in cringe 😭

[lyric arrow]

There's not much canon in sky lore. Almost everything is up to interpretation. That's how it ment to be.

[celest flame]

I have a bet with the entirety of my friend group that whoever has the closest interpretation of the story based off of the two embers series I will give 100 candles weekly (since I have the most candles), but if my interpretation is closest the one with the farthest will do the same. I'm not planning to lose this bet😭😭

[spiral vault]

Most likely is the answer here. Based on the Prophecy murals and Aviary Village mural

[spiral vault]

That's an extremely interesting headcanon, I love it so much

Isle= As a baby, you see adults as a helpful guide
Prairie= As a child, you see adults as well-meaning, but a bit aloof and slow.
Forest= As a teen, you see adults as ignorant and aggressive
Valley= As a young adult, you see adults as cool and competitive
Wasteland= As a middle aged adult, you see adults as tragic and pained
Vault= As a senior, you see adults as wise and caring

[clever viper]

woah i actually love that too

[coral oracle]

screenshot of a part of the map mural in Aviary that's pretty hard to get a good view of. new shelf prop makes for good scaffolding!

[nimble ingot]

That mural was the origina introduction mural that would play for first time players. This has later on been removed and in its place is the intro murals in the cave of Dawn. The mural you see in Aviary is presumably an easter egg to the old intro and now in a place anyone can see any time.

[sleek nexus]

I started getting deep thoughts about the fact that Eden is visible from Aviary
Do you think the spirits in Aviary ever get nervous about Eden? Always looming in the distance, a reminder of the tragedy that befell their kingdom?
Do they feel wary, whenever a shard eruption occurs? The mountain lights up in every realm, and while in game I've never seen it from Aviary, it would make sense that it happens in universe. The Season of Duet implies that a shard has hit the Concert Hall at least once, wouldn't they have some fear that it may happen again?
Do some spirits watch the skykids from the village as they gear up and enter the portal, worried but unable to follow? Do they stare at the mountain, knowing that's where their small friends have gone, do they watch the skies for their falling star to return?
The spirits probably don't know what Eden is even like. There are no spirits found in Eden, only petrified figures and sky kids. They have no idea what the little ones endure there, only that it leaves them shaken when they return.
What is Eden, to the Spirits of Aviary?

[distant hatch]

There’s theories those are actually lasers like from the concept art.

[scenic pebble]

LASERS?
what are you talking about?
nah, like, i'm seriously intrigued by what do you mean

[distant hatch]

There is concept art of the statues that look like the king in wasteland shooting lasers at sky kids.
I don’t know where the art is but I’ve seen it.
It was even included in a map concept of the trek through wasteland.

[scenic pebble]

ima go look for it

[distant hatch]

Good luck!!!

Oh no, the bobbit worms got them.

[scenic pebble]

"so how was Dusk before the Apocalypse?"
"worse"
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059523355-LO57BW6A3OWVL880DTM8/155_Sky.jpg?format=1500w

i think i found them laser turrets
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059578865-CDWLYBN9F9HWZH0YJWFT/169_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

[distant hatch]

That’s one of them yup!!!
There might be some in the art book, but I don’t wanna get up to look.

[tacit sentinel]

These fit together perfectly. so this has to be Canon right?

If so that means the side quests from the season of moomin is showing us the terrors our skykid went through. So the prologue of sky? Am I the only one that has noticed the similarities then???

[scenic pebble]

"soooo, what were you up to before getting here?"
"honk honk HYONK"
"oops, forgot to turn muh translator on, you can speak now"
"so, basically, i was stuck in some weird surreal shed next to some body of water and a weird butterfly once came up to me and the rest is history"
jokes aside, i think it's more of an artistic paralell than actual canon backstory of our skid
though, if it is, that's very intriguing and poses quite a few interesting questions such as, how many weird surrealistic sheds right next to that specific body of water there are
and who cashed in on all the demand that was there for some reason
why are we born in a shed
or maybe we are all one skid but we're all different?
hmmmm
my mind is bending into a mobius strip over this so i'm choosing to believe it to be an artistic interpretation or some weird Void Space tomfoolery

[distant hatch]

No, I noticed it right when I saw it.

I saw it and I went to the lore chat being like
“Omg guys!!!! Look at this!!!!! It’s the metaphorical origin of the skykids!!!!!! It lines up with the new intro!!!!!!!”
Aaaannnnnnndddddd that didn’t gain almost any traction…
Lol

[tacit sentinel]

Hmm there’s probably a reason why there’s a hole in the roof. we probably just conveniently landed on top of the house

[scenic pebble]

so we crashed down into a weird shed and didn't leave no small crater behind while crashing through a roof
maybe the roof just aged very poorly and we landed quite softly
plausible as all is
but i'll be honest
i'm more of a believer in the "this is the story of Ninny's inner journey wrapped in a sea of metaphors that step into Sky lore/logic a lot"
and if the shed is indeed a place of birth for the skids...
we're dealing with either a mandatory tutorial section
a multiverse issue
or Void Space magic
idk, this whole thing strikes me as quite weird

[distant hatch]

I think it might’ve been representative of a purgatory.

[tacit sentinel]

The blast was probably absorbed by the MANY beams of wood also its clearly a house not a shed

What kind of shed would be furnished??

[scenic pebble]

i think you're underestimating the force of a skid falling at a terminal velocity
and uhh
calling it a shed just seemed somewhat funny to me at the moment
maybe i'm wrong tho

[distant hatch]

Mine

[tacit sentinel]

What? Resh landed in isle without leaving a crater!

[scenic pebble]

did he?
idk, maybe it's me who's overestimating it
but uh, saying that Resh landed in Isle is a reach
plus the amount of time and the change of the landscape might've covered it

[distant hatch]

That’s sand, and it was a memory so the sand moved because wind./(light hearted silly tone)

[distant hatch]

They’re referring to the child from ushering stargazer’s memory.

[tacit sentinel]

But the spirits weren’t effected by any change in the cut scene

[scenic pebble]

ohhh
then memory logic
the tree fell in the memory but it already lies fallen in the present

[distant hatch]

Yeah, memory logic, the physical plane can’t be altered, but the memory plane must fit within the physical plane to make sense.

[scenic pebble]

weren't they like
a bit far away?
maybe whatever was the effect of that skids re-entry didn't have that reach?
or maybe the universe of Sky suffers from lack of physics, idk

[tacit sentinel]

That’s what I mean the spirits in stargazers memory weren’t affected nor didn’t display any signs of shock from if a crater was there

[distant hatch]

Something I remembered was the original intro of Sky, the sky kid crashed down to the home island, but no crater is there.
Maybe while they’re falling they’re more composed of light so they weight almost nothing or something?
Or maybe it’s an oversight.

[scenic pebble]

would you be like
"why is there a crater here"
or
"why is there a child sitting in the crater"

[tacit sentinel]

If we were to use in game recording we would see that for a second our skykid is glowing and then that glow fades

[tacit sentinel]

BECAUSE THEY ARE STUCK IN A LOOP IN THAT HOUSE!!!

[scenic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-9600166490985543877

[distant hatch]

The house ain’t real, it’s representative of purgatory perhaps.
It’s stated that the sky kids have returned to the kingdom, meaning they were here before.
And though we may not know in what way they were here before, it seems we’re getting to know what they were doing before coming back down.

[spiral vault]

It's not an easter egg, if you go as a new player, an intro cutscene very similar to the original introduction plays.

Check at 18:40 here: https://www.youtube.com/live/CcIWvLjzMj4?si=6oPhlzlBAEhbNRGE

[distant hatch]

I think it’s a fully implemented lore point right now.

[spiral vault]

I don't think it's anything more than reused assets

[scenic pebble]

okay
skid re-entry is extremely weird
how does our body form?
when do we gain mass?
what's the gravitational pull of the Sky planet?
how much force do we generate?
why do we fall onto the same exact place?
what magical powers ||game design and intent|| compell us to land there?
nah, seriously, if you see the new intro and us landing in the wacky revival spot
THERE HAS TO BE SOME MAGIC INVOLVED
and lemme just ask, where is it stated that "we" as in skids have returned?

[distant hatch]

The clouds can’t be reused assets, the way TGC makes their landscaping is by molding blob stuff together, not that different from the Roblox land formation tool, but more refined.

[distant hatch]

I don’t remember, it’s been a bit, but I know it’s stated somewhere.

Either the sky shop pins or the isle of dawn murals I think.

[scenic pebble]

maybe you're confusing it with the bit where you're supposed to bring back the Light

[distant hatch]

I’m not, I assure you. My memory may lack in certain areas, but not at this.(passive tone(whatever that means))

[scenic pebble]

i await the day when you bring me evidence and make me believe this
i have not heard of it before

[distant hatch]

Ok, maybe someday lol.

When my old timer veteran brain remembers where I put that note.

[narrow marsh]

Tell them to come here! 🕯️

[scenic pebble]

THERE ARE SKY SOCKS?

[narrow marsh]

Only in modern Descendant fashion, which points back to my explanation of the material limitations of Ancestor culture in contrast to the limitless creativity of the potentially shapeshifting skychildren and Spirits. 🕯️

[scenic pebble]

no no
i mean the Sky merchandise

[narrow marsh]

TGC wins our money yet again

[spiral vault]

If you're generic enough you could just say "destiny", but I think the light we get in the beginning is just a temporary boost (similar to the light you get in the Orbit Flight), and it gets taken away

[distant hatch]

I FOUND IT!!!!!!
It’s in the poem of the Elder of the Isle Pin!!!!!!

Here’s the one for the forest elder pin

The pin poems can hold some lore, it’s fun to look through them.

[pulsar pecan]

I need more elder lore

[spiral vault]

Well, you're in luck, scroll up

In general, it seems as if the Elders somehow knew the Skykids would come

[scenic pebble]

it...
isn't our first time here?
how did we get here before?
why did we come here before?
WHY IS IT ONLY IN POEMS ON SKY MERCH
is it referring to to us coming back after Eden?
WERE ANCESTORS SKIDS?
i don't think my mind is build for going through the implications of something like that today

no wait
maybe it's because The Chosen One was a proto-skid?

[nimble ingot]

more like hoped because they would be pretty buggered without skykids to kickstart the cycle for them. /hj

[distant hatch]

Never doubt my memory on lore.

[scenic pebble]

i won't
from now on i shall remember you as The One Who Remembers

[distant hatch]

Lol

[celest birch]

I do like how Vault Elder Pin is about the place being an area to safekeep memories before facing the storm of death aka Eden.

Which also makes me wish that a mirror-realm to it that is dementia-based would actually be a thing as well.

[scenic pebble]

"dementia based realm" 💀
i'd like to bring up the fact that after i think the second floor of Vault it kinda breaks
i guess you can interpret that as dementia if you squint very very hard

[distant hatch]

Season of Rememberance is the dementia floor, they literally forgot their pasts.

[narrow marsh]

I think it's moreso that the Prophecy of the Chosen One can't have been the only prophecy to have existed.

Especially if the opening cave in Isle and the murals in Aviary are to be evidence at all.

I really do wish we had more murals, just scattered everywhere, as common as graffiti.
Just off the top of my mind,

• Juggler cave
• Cave networks in Sanctuary
• In the mountain ranges in Dreams
• Tunnels in Valley Temple
• Prairie Cave

And much, much more.
Amywhere there are blank spaces and strange caves there should be murals.
They should be looking to add in stuff like that, especially since they're working to flesh out Sky not just for us but for themselves with the formation of The Two Embers.
So much potential...

[nimble ingot]

why stop at caves? lol
Any wall or surface can become a mural if you are brave enough.

Take the water mural in the secret area around the portal to the office.
Even the water surface can become a mural.

[valid dagger]

On the part "we saw of your return to us" i just think of that as the vault elder have foresighting the skykids appearance on the kingdom, or maybe the other elder have been told by the vault elder, hence the word "we"

[nimble ingot]

Makes sense if the old theory in concept art suggests the Vault elder was an Oracle.

[noble ferry]

i genuinely forgot that skyshop merch has poems lore

[valid dagger]

Yes, but is the prophet guide also the one who could foretelling the future as well as vault elder or no? bcs the prophecy in the cave told that alef will win the trial

[nimble ingot]

It would be hilarious and shocking if the prophecy guide was an assistant of vault elder or something like it.

then again... the jackal is symbolic in Egyptian mythology to Anubis. God of rebirth/afterlife.

A judge for wayward souls....

[valid dagger]

anyway, is there another elder poems as well?

[nimble ingot]

There are a few when looking at the wiki: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Lore#:~:text=Poem%2C TGC Tweet-,ELDER,-POEM

[valid dagger]

I found one! it's from prairie elder

also this one, from valley elders

This one from the wasteland elder

Phew, and with this it's complete. It's from the vault elder

[nimble ingot]

no eden one? (rhetorical)

[valid dagger]

Nothing, i've searched it up all over the skyshop

The vault elder poem seems interesting tho, what's the eden's song foretold?

[abstract path]

Hello . I'm sorry to bother you with my silly question... i was wondering if there's an explanation as to why the elder masks all look like the regular face accessories that some spirit sell in their spirit tree (for example, like the forest elder mask, which is an extended version of the Apologetic Lumberjack's Face Accessory).

[nimble ingot]

you are fine, this is more of a gameplay question than a lore question.

As far as the lore is concerned, the masks from regular spirit that resemble the design of the elders' masks may suggest these spirits knew what the elders look like. Presumably because they prayed to them, or worshipped them in the past.

The elder masks given to skykids were initially masks on their own, but later on became addons to existing masks. Which is similar to the regulars.
The difference though is the elder mask is halographical in appearance, and they glow when active and become darkened when broken. You would need to summon/visit the respective elder to renew the blessing on the mask to protect your light once more.

[scenic pebble]

"son, what were you doing with your friends lately?"
"nothing much, just painting prophecies on building walls and doing plays"
"that's vandalism, you should paint prophecies in caves or ask for permission"

[abstract path]

I see, so the masks look alike because the spirits of a realm are all part of the same culture. thank you very much for your answer , and have a nice day (Sorry for the ping).

[nimble ingot]

you are ok to ask ❤️
Feel free to ping and ask about the lore any time.

[worthy verge]

Alright hi guys, not really sure if this is lore but does the space station still exist in sky? Did it ever exist or was that a fever dream? If it does, where the heck is it?

[nimble ingot]

It technically exists on earth.
Because it is connected tothe TGC office, which is based on the real life version on earth.

Sky does not deem the area as part of its realm/universe. Similar to the Moomin collab area.

[scenic pebble]

it's part of the office
soooooo, i think it's just the hangover on the Vault Elder kicking in too hard

[worthy verge]

Oooooh, okay got it, that's kinda fun, the in-between earth and realm of sky, that's my headcannon from now on, glad the space station wasn't a fever dream!

[scenic pebble]

AGRICULTURE CONFIRMED
so you tell me you're "protecting" the creatures of Light
fascinating
now, may you explain why are you accused of being one of the main suppliers of Light to the Forest industrial complex?
these are serious charges and you may be sentenced to getting dropped into Eden if you don't come clean mr... Ayin
the new regime is very negative of those who conducted crimes against The Light so i hope you aren't one of those people
i hope we will never have to meet again, for your good, The Praire still needs you

[distant hatch]

The problem is the use of return rather than something like arrival

[scenic pebble]

which is strange because the word "arrival" is used in the game intro
almost makes you think different people wrote these things ||like, real people not in-game Ancestors||

[valid dagger]

I'm still not sure about that too, why using the word "return" instead of "arrival"? maybe to indicate that something special has return for the second time. like alef descended to the land, and we skykids descended from light. And the fact that alef and skykids is special in their own way. Alef fulfilled the prophecy then became the king and us skykids fulfilling our destinies then became the ancestors savior.

[nimble ingot]

There has been a debate on the story being told can be from the ancestors, and also the elders...

[valid dagger]

I just think about the theory that say king used up all his soul, scattered them to a light, and that light later reborn as skykids. Then the word "return" make sense. Because we are born from the king's remnant light

[nimble ingot]

Would the ancestors have known that though

[valid dagger]

That i still not sure. Maybe they might known it from the first time alef descended and its similarity to our descending upon them. Or the vault elder had foresight it given that the vault elder is an oracle of the kingdom

[valid dagger]

Idk about the part ayin being main suppliers of light resources to the industrial area. But to me, rather than "protecting the light creature", ayin is just hoarding the light resource to their people for the dark days that'll come soon. Hence why there's so many pots that contain so much butterflies inside the temple

[hallow fiber]

I wonder if every Seasons could be arranged in chronological order inside the Sky lore perspective?

[scenic pebble]

idk
i always thought most of that Light was sent to be pumped into darkstone because aside from Valley i struggle to see any other spot where Light would get harvested and they had to get their supply from somewhere
and, what other use for the Light substance did they have?
though i'd have to wander through both Praire and the Forest to get any more ideas

[spiral vault]

My headcanon is that the songs in the Aurora concert represent us as Skykids in our past lives.

It's a cool idea that we're light creatures who got reincarnated into a skykid. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that

[celest birch]

Is it? because I never got that feeling, I moreso got the feeling that these poor spirits were trapped in their grief over their losses and we´re there to help them process said grief by making comfortable shared spaces with items they cherished the most.

[distant hatch]

The mural in there shows ancestors giving their memories to be stored, and the quests are to find memories, so I just interpreted it like that.

[celest birch]

Interesting, as I always interpreted the upper levels of Vault to be dream-like abstractness instead of dementia, since memories are still there (spirit trees, Cosmic Mantas and such), they´re just shuffled around while with dementia, memories are completely unrecognizable and mostly gone, thus in a way, one based around it would make Eden look merciful, which is honestly the goal.

[gleaming mango]

I headcanon the Vault you visit to be a real physical space, but has holographic projects created by spirits that makes it a shared space in a way

[celest birch]

Which is all right the same. :) Honestly, this can be seen as us recovering long-buried memories that they still had (as we can see when reliving them), thus the intact memory lanterns. With dementia, those memory lanterns would´ve been unrecoverable in one piece because they would be broken and we´d need to find a way to fix them. </3 Imho.

[distant hatch]

I said dementia as a joke, not like it’s actually dementia.

[celest birch]

Understood, while I actually chatted about dementia as something that could be inspiring a realm that is basically a mirror-version of Vault and being so horrific that it makes Eden look merciful. 😅

[celest birch]

Honestly, this might be what´s happening in the upper floors because aren´t there rows of floating memory lanterns above the brick walls when we pass from first to second floor?

[scenic pebble]

idk
it just kinda looks destroyed and mostly empty ||the memory lanterns also have a weird thing going on with how they are placed in there|| with little islands all around that you may even start to question what they were meant to symbolize, with waterfalls that aren't made of water and places that seem untraversable by Ancestors, it's pretty odd if you think about it more
and like i said, if you squint really really hard
and i have no idea how dementia actually works so maybe i should stop talking about stuff i know nothing about
what i started to interpret the upper parts of Vault is more and more a symbol of how isolated the Vault Elder is from what is going on

[celest birch]

As someone that did have a family member that suffered from dementia, it´s totally alright because that´s something that´s REALLY HARD to put into words without witnessing it firsthand, thus you´re forgiven. :) And honestly, the second interpretation definitely seems to be so much more likely, given the Elder´s location at the peak; a really sad mix of scattered memories of realms and spirits´ own memories, all kept intact by the Vault Elder at cost of being isolated and lonely, kind of like Praying Acolyte.

[spiral vault]

I agree, my theory is that since Vault is embedded inside the Mountain, the inside of the Eden Mountain is all weird/mysterious since it's the origin of the giant beam of light

[narrow marsh]

[narrow marsh]

Correct!
The Themes of literal Light projectors should not be overlooked 🕯️

[celest birch]

... Maybe that too can contribute to the abstractive look of upper floors as well. :D

Combine the mysterious beam of light right at the peak + floating memory lanterns + literal spirits with their memories = abstractive dream-like state.

Since in my headcanon, if you place a huge amount of memory lanterns in one place, things are bound to get pretty dang weird. 🤭

[narrow marsh]

Yes I
Recommend reading on how these real, horrible things work.
I'd also hope we as a group could avoid lightly tossing these words around so casually. They are extremely harmful topics to those whose loved ones have been affected by them. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Not even just as a headcanon, but as a valid, logical assumption! 🕯️

[celest birch]

The Vault Elder can then potentially serve as a key lynchpin for all these memories to give them at least some semblance to what they´ve (and what we´ve) seen, as their shrine is surrounded by shrines of other Elders all the same together with their constellations. :) The One True Memory Keeper. ˆ-ˆ

[celest birch]

Indeed; I´m alright with it, but I know others wouldn´t be and yet, that is something that deserves attention as well if you ask me, thus my thinking about a realm based on it that acts as a mirror-version of Vault, which is basically where so-called "Fan Project: Cavern of Reflections" thing is from.

Sorry for being offtopic when it comes to it.

[narrow marsh]

When memory loss is relevant and even potentially crucial to discerning (or creating, in your fanfic's case) story beats, I wouldn't personally have a problem with it. Vault doesn't necessarily deal with memory loss however, as you've stated.

[celest birch]

Yeah and that would also be a golden opportunity to explore what happens if those memory lanterns do break as well as being able to interact with spirits that legit have no other memory but ones that they themselves can briefly recall. Could ABSOLUTELY show the ghastly effects of darkstone as well, especially if crushed and such.

Since in my headcanon, while unrefined and refined darkstone is safe to handle, the darkstone dust that happens during the process isn´t.

And seriously, can you imagine how much darkstone dust would refining an Eden ♦️ produce? Holy. Mama.

Again, sorry for being offtopic.

[celest birch]

Aside potentially confirming one creepy headcanon I have about the ♦️ and that is that the thing is sentient since the Shattering explosion; darkstone being potentially used to harvest spirits themselves, which is something we potentially see in Journey with War Machines.

[scenic pebble]

so uhhh
look, i found this cool thing with how Resh was meant to have stuck around in the Storm and "discourage" you from going up
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059428353-0GIEFRLSU40B7F236A11/133k_Sky.jpg?format=750w

with how Resh isn't so antagonistic to us it makes you wonder about how the Ancestors were at first kind of meant as pretty antagonistic and darkness aligned folks and now they seem more misguided than just straight up evil

also i think some more difficult to avoid enemies would be cool
or any at all
seeing your flight skills challenged even more would be nice
but it probably should be some optional area
man
i think i had some long tangent about how cool would it be to see more of the industrial stuff and more hostile beings in some long lost lab or housing quarter or other things like that but i lost it somewhere in my head

[narrow marsh]

Hello! They could totally be arranged in a chronological order, if we use the contextual observations of each Group and their Area to provide us clues!
I am so, so sorry about this, but this is actually the perfect time to completely rehash what the current popular beliefs are on Season Chronology. So I'm gonna get get into it!

There are plenty of differing opinions on how long the Ancestor Kingdom existed for, be it decades, a century, or multiple centuries! Here are the far contrasting spectrums of community concepts regarding that:

1. Specific seasons have connotations of different time periods in the kingdom's timeline, spanning the course of:

1a: Decades
2a: Centuries
(Depending on how long different theorists believe the kingdom of Sky existed for.)

2. All of the seasons happen relatively close to each other.

(Part 1/3)

Due to the fact that the bot muted me earlier, I'm going to wait a bit between sending each message.
_

§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§

And here is a list of all popular contextual speculations towards when in the timeline that Seasons may have happened:

The Fire Era

• First tribal communities of Ancestors, in tune with their Role as shepherds of the creature of Light.

Isle of Elder
Daylight Prairie
The Sanctuary
Windpaths

Pioneering

• Settlements would expand beyond the Prairies, into the wilds of the Forest. These starter-settlers would harvest material from the forest and learn how to better expand their reach.

Hidden Forest
most Hidden Forest Spirits

Beginning of the Darkstone Era

• Darkstone is discovered and industrialized in a new culture under the Forest Elder.

Forest gates, bridge and Temple
2nd AURORA quest
All is Soft from AURORA concert

The Ancestor Kingdom

• A glorious age ushered into place by advanced Darkstone technologies, researched in secret laboratories and industrialized in factories. The Ancestors celebrated their power, and their Ruler.

Golden Valley
(The original form of Valley and Wasteland)
The Holy City of Eden

The War

• A war between Ancestors would ravage the lower regions of the Golden Valley, and at the same time darkness pollution seeped into the world...

Golden Wasteland
Golden Wasteland Spirits
4th AURORA quest
The Seed from AURORA Concert

The Cataclysm

• The effects of the war and the explosion of the Eden diamond effectively delivered the almost-official end of the Ancestor kingdom. Refugees would hide inside the Vault and anywhere else. Though surviving Ancestors would do their best to survive in the collapsed kingdom. Shattering Shards would continue to threaten the lives of the remaining groups of Ancestors, until there were none...

Aviary
Remembrance

|| NOTE: The inner Ancestor kingdom, the Golden Valley and the city of Eden, was created after the beginning of the Darkstone Era. All Seasons in Valley and beyond will reflect this.

(Part 2/3)

[hallow fiber]

Oh jeez I was looking for the first message like crazy haha I thought I dreamt it

[lament depot]

OOOH THAT QUESTION ABT THE SEASONS CAME BACK UP

I saw that one earlier and wanted to answer it so badly but had no idea how

[narrow marsh]

Maybe talking normally for a brief moment will allow the last message to come through; there's one more. But yes I'm on Skybot's watchlist

[narrow marsh]

And finally, a list of all Observations regarding some important Seasons. Utilizing the list above, theorists can try to Understand where they personally believe each Season goes in the Thematic timeline listed above!

Passage

• Ancient tribal passing of traditions and cultural lessons to the youth of the Isle of Dawn, utilizing the power of the Light to create strange Shared lucid experiences.

Prophecy

• The Prophets were teachers of ancient Light magic and traditions. Together, they foresaw tellings of the future, that there would be a powerful child that would be able to defeat a series of dangerous trials, who would give gifts of powerful Light to the Elders and be worshipped by the Ancestors.

Lightseekers

• A timeless faction that had always collected Light.
• A time-specific group organized to collect colored Light to store on the Ark.

Enchantment

• An ark full of stored colored Light, is piloted away from Eden by scholars of Light magic, and crashes into a desolate valley, where they and the Ark become lost to time, as they are not rescued.

``(But... Why is it being piloted away from Eden?
Concept art states that originally, the Ark was a holy vessel, built in Eden. Multiple possibilities considered:

• an evacuation vessel for either the Ancestors, collections of Light, or knowledge from the Vault
• an attempt to Ascend to the Light, bringing all Ancestors into space

These options may help us suggest possible answers, but should not be treated as pointed evidence to anything.)``

Treasure Reef
A landmass that once held a Darkstone mine and Darkstone laboratory. All of it has been swallowed by the sea, somehow.

Abyss

• A group of scavengers search for Darkstone sunk beneath the waters of the Treasure Reef.

And that's everything!
I hope this helps our progress 🕯️

IT SENT
I WIN SKYBOT
YOU CAN'T KILL ME 😭🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️

[hallow fiber]

Lore vs Skybot

[narrow marsh]

If you have any comments or things you might note we'd love to hear it!

[lament depot]

This is all so interesting (i will remember none of it)

Skybot hates lore confirmed

[hallow fiber]

Tbh I'm kinda new to the lore part of Sky (I play since 2020 but life is crazy) and I lack context of the seasons pre-enchantment (my first season) and abyss (didn't do it)

[lament depot]

The first season that made me think of Sky's lore and not just the game was shattering aside from The Big Bang (/j) i know nothing

[narrow marsh]

This seems like a good time to revisit the reminder to take field trips to important places in-game, for any player who is interested in Lore. There are plenty of in-game activities and quests that hint at some major Themes or story beats of Sky, and if you haven't experienced one of the listed items below, you may be missing crucial information that doesn't even need to be read!

Here's a list of areas and activities that I find crucial towards the overall lore investigation. Without having finished or visited these, you might be missing out on valuable information!

• AURORA questline
• AURORA concert
• Season of Abyss
• Final Shattering memory
• Cave in Prairie Peaks
• Season of Prophecy
• A specific quest in Season of Performance
  And more!

I hope this helps someone, and I wish us all happy hunting! 🕯️

[hallow fiber]

So I'm sorry if I fail suggesting stuff lol

I think Aurora season was the first one to introduce the concept of the ancestors capturing the light creatures? Before that, I thought the war was against the darkness itself, not a civil war. But seems like the civil war and the darkness war were two different battles.

Man I really should finish Abyss, but it makes me a lil uncomfortable all the depth concept

(I'll be honest. I want to learn not only because of curiosity, but because I want to make a lore-accurate OC and I need information haha)

[narrow marsh]

It was the first to officially confirm it. Lorechat's speculations on the Civil War have been primarily led by the fact that there are two different shield emblems on the shields found in the Battlefield area of Wasteland, pointing to potentially multiple factions.

Available concept art, however, pointed to the original concept being a war against the creatures. This has led to many varying ideas and beliefs over what the war was about! 👀🕯️

[hallow fiber]

So it would be somewhat like...

1. Creatures attack (they lose)
2. People who join creature's band attack (they lose) - Civil war?
3. Time passes
4. War against darkness (darkness wins)

[narrow marsh]

If you want to finish it for the story alone, and really can't shake the thalassophobia (fear of deep waters; perfectly normal) then perhaps you could just watch a no-commentary gameplay of it on youtube?

If the experience itself means a lot to you, though; I would personally say that it's worth it to wait until you one day may feel ready. You're perfectly valid either way. 🕯️

[lament depot]

The (they lose) specifications made me cackle

[hallow fiber]

I'll do it when I have a chill afternoon or something, now that we have winter break 😄

[narrow marsh]

There you go! Lights on, loved ones nearby, and maybe a dog or a cat

[hallow fiber]

4 cats indeed

Do you think the people from the trailers are humans or skykids like the players? I mean, the same creature. - Or similar, at least.

My headcanon is that we are the candle itself, since the "flames" (light, fire) have all these ties with life. Our bodies are forged to resemble the ancestors, but it's just a doll. The flame could be the souls of old ancestors or creatures who somehow reached Eden, and the Megabird tried to continue the cycle with the few means it had.

Maybe this is common knowledge here and I'm here rambling about how water is wet lmao

[narrow marsh]

It is not 'common knowledge', actually, because all we have are theories! The anatomy of Ancestors (the living versions of Spirits) and Descendants (skychildren) are commonly debated.

[hallow fiber]

I don't think they're human - not like us, anyway. Perhaps resembling us, but with a unique organism accurate to the worldbuilding of the game. I don't think we can know the specifics until more lore-seasons are released.

And about the Descendants... Seeing how our bodies are destroyed each time we go to Eden (getting a new one later), I think our true form is light itself. The body is purposely made to resemble Ancestors.

[narrow marsh]

We've come a long way since I made that first summary of Ancestor Eras. Do you have any critiques? @spiral vault

[narrow marsh]

I believe the exact same! There are so many aligning Themes here that just make far too much sense. If you want to see some of the developer's concepts on how they designed the Ancestors and Descendants as characters, I highly recommend looking up "Tom Zhao Sky Cotl" and clicking the first site that shows up. There, you can find what inspired them as they created these entities and the world around them. Hopefully it will help you in your journey with your OC! 🕯️

[hallow fiber]

I can tell my ideas for the oc if you want haha

[narrow marsh]

I don't see why not

[lament depot]

We can do that here? discuss lore-relevant OCs i mean

[hallow fiber]

I want to make a character unable to go to Eden. All the others he knows eventually leave for rebirth and forget him, but for whatever reason he's unable to do the same. So he becomes some kind of loner bard to retrieve the stories of the people who joined the cycle without him, to not forget.

On the other side, I want to make a character who's trying to learn about how the Ancestors used the lanterns in Vault and know what happened in the past. This character would go to Eden too sometimes, but they would try to continue their previous life investigation despite having to start again and again because they can't remember anything - just that they want to do that.

My main problem is how to connect them and how to make their situation lore-accurate.

[lament depot]

I love that idea actually I wish I had advice on how to make it lore-accurate, hopefully somebody can help you figure it out

I try to just leave the lore on my ocs vague but it can be fun to try and come up with explanations

[celest birch]

Imagine if tackling the Void of Shattering means that their memories don´t get erased with each rebirth. ;D

[hallow fiber]

Sorry english is not my first language - expand on that please

[celest birch]

It´s ok. At least in my suspicion, the Void of Shattering is so out of time and space that it can grant Skykids various strange abilities for a price, like being able to remember everything from their past lives despite doing Eden runs and talk to Light/Dark Creatures ... that price being knowledge that no Elder or Skykid should know.

[hallow fiber]

Hmm, or instead of not forgetting, severing their rebirth rights too?

[celest birch]

That is something it gladly cannot do because if you ask me, Skykids can choose whenever to be reborn or not.

[hallow fiber]

I forgot to mention I don't want a happy ending for them haha maybe a bittersweet one

[celest birch]

Could definitely be a bittersweet one, especially once/if they discover that too much knowledge has been lost to time or they get insight into forbidden knowledge that potentially drives them mad.

[hallow fiber]

I mean, we as players can perfectly choose, but only lore-wise, can they really choose? Their existence has the sole purpose of connecting all life again. They need to die and rebirth constantly to do so.

This is just a headcanon but I think creatures/descendants know when is their time and they must go to Eden, without choice.

[celest birch]

Funnily, that´s what I think too. :) Death is not a choice, but rebirth is.

[hallow fiber]

Genshin Impact lore intensifies

I was thinking more of a "right person, wrong moment" cliche lol

[hallow fiber]

I mean, after various generations unable to die and seeing all his loved ones do so, I don't think Kai (his name) would want to be reborn for a long time if he manages to die. Let my boy enjoy the Megabird embrace.

[celest birch]

But of course, just like how we are as Skykids in Orbit. :) Rebirth Gate is there, yes, but it´s our decision whenever to pass it or not. Or even to take time for ourselves and chill in there. ˆ-ˆ

[hallow fiber]

Maybe OC 2 manages to use that Void Knowledge to "repair" Kai and let him die, not knowing what will happen to themselves. They promise to meet again when he is reborn, but he takes... A lot of time. OC 2 ends up corrupted?

[celest birch]

Or OC 2 pretty much experiences a downright spiral in mood and thus starts to slowly turn into a Husk?

(totally based off that heartbreaking Cellist memory where we see her turn into a Husk after her cello is destroyed)

[hallow fiber]

Oh yess I love this idea

I think I have some new ideas to think about for OC 2, thank you 😄 But I still need to think about why Kai is unable to join the cycle in the first place

[celest birch]

Honestly, I wouldn´t be surprised that if a Skykid turns into a Husk, their spirit turns inert and if another Skykid lights them up, they turn into a winged light, which then needs to be delivered to a statue in Eden to ascend ...
... and once it ascends, it can never be reborn as itself again, only as a new moth.

[narrow marsh]

Interesting! So in this story, when skykids go to Ascend to the Light, they get reincarnated as completely new individuals?

As for the idea of some Descendants being researchers; in my headcanons I see the broader community experience and my own personal experience as players and player as 'canon' to the ongoing story of Sky. Our skykids are actually us.
I explain this about my own headcanon because this allows me to see myself and other theorists as 'canonical' philosophers, researchers, archivists, and scientists among the skychildren. It always makes me happy to think about.

So it's really cool to see someone's OC be a researcher like that, and like us! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

What is a sky fanfiction if not for a gruesome tragedy

[celest birch]

I do have a similar Skykid OC as well, only that she is also on a hunt for knowledge of what happened and thus tackled the Void of Shattering as well.

[hallow fiber]

I love tragedy in any kind of fanfic I write lol

[narrow marsh]

Fascinating concept. Well, in your idea, what would happen if they refuse to go to Eden, then? 🕯️

[celest birch]

Only that while she´s still able to be reborn with her memories intact, her body can never be whole again because she paid a very heavy price for both some forbidden knowledge and being able to talk to Dark Creatures.

[hallow fiber]

In my version, yeah, they "reset" each time they return from Eden. But they keep like a "core", maybe a part of their personality, or goals, or hobbies, that goes on with them. In the researcher's case, it would be their need for knowing the past. Which somehow always leads them to their previous unfinished investigation.

[hallow fiber]

I thought about a couple options - either they start experiencing some kind of decline (physical or mental, not sure about it) or they're somehow forced by their own mission? - Or even they can't even refuse?

[celest birch]

100% mental decline to me.

[lament depot]

[hallow fiber]

Similar to us forcing ourselves to be awake too much time maybe

[celest birch]

At least in my headcanon, if a Skykid doesn´t go to Eden for a long time, they start experiencing mental fatigue and other commodities associated with "living too long to be able to have or keep more memories" (aka a curse of immortality) ... and yeah, kind of like staying awake for days on end, only worse, which can lead to them potentially becoming Husks if that mental fatigue of an endless cycle gets too serious, like what we experience with burnout.

Death gives them a chance to both rest and refresh before a new rebirth because it is something different. :)

[hallow fiber]

Orbit being the spa (?)

[celest birch]

And yes, I can also imagine that they have an in-built instinct to go to Eden once they start to feel their time is coming, like Light Creatures, but being a presumed hybrid, they can resist it, like Crabs and Krill.

[spiral vault]

I think the civil war was implied in Wasteland's battlefield. The orientation of the weapons (the biggest clue being two different logos on the shields) made people think it was a civil war for quite a while.

[hallow fiber]

It could be a mix - They have the instinct but can resist it, although not without feeling... Crabby.

[celest birch]

Orbit is basically True Home in their mind. :) A place where they can finally rest and recoup.

Exactly. ;D

While rebirth itself is not instinctive, but moreso like that inner voice saying what one should be doing.

[spiral vault]

I'm in the decades camp. With Two Embers, it's increasingly likely that the entire Sky kingdom lasted for two generations- the lifespan of the Eden King.

Your basic ideas of the era is mostly right, but I think there's a slight time difference between the war and the cataclysm.

I don't know why you say

|| NOTE: any Seasons in later realms cannot be placed in the timeline earlier than the adjacent Eras listed above!

[hallow fiber]

Oh, I had the idea - maybe I can make Kai unable to be reborn because he somehow got corrupted by darkness directly in his flame, not his body. Orbit can't accept a flame with corruption.

[spiral vault]

(slight textwall incoming)

[celest birch]

... YEEEEES. Like a Krill or a direct shard impact to his heartfire.

Since did you see what happens if a Skykid takes a hit?

[hallow fiber]

We're going places baby!

Now, it's 1 am so I'll go to bed and continue shaping this thing in my head while trying to go to Orbit sleep.

[hallow fiber]

Their bodies get full of black corruption and they can't move much? + Loosing a ton of lights lol

[celest birch]

They pretty much try to shield their chest-light, even when extinguished and not stunned. ;D

Good night! Greet all ascended ones in Orbit!

[celest birch]

Only when extinguished. If they take a hit that only takes some of the wedges away, then it seems like they´re trying to shield their chest light.

[spiral vault]

Here's my general theory on the order of sky seasons. Some of these have better reasons than others.

"Fire Era, Eden King's birth"
Prophecy
Passage
Sanctuary

"Pioneering"
Moments
Gratitude
Belonging
Lightseekers
Rhythm
TLP
Deer

"The war"
The Seed part of the Aurora Concert

"Between the War and the Cataclysm"

Remembrance
Assembly
Enchantment
Dreams
Flight

"The Shattering"
Shattering

"The end of the Ancestor Civilization"
Performance
Abyss
Revival
Duets

[pastel brook]

When the last tree in Hidden Forest has fallen and the rivers in Golden Wasteland are poisoned, you cannot eat darkstone oh no

[hallow fiber]

Kai failed to shield properly then- Other skykids die from the hit/ get help before they get corrupted, but he was just really unlucky

[celest birch]

Unlucky or he consciously decided that.

[hallow fiber]

I think Rhythm and Performance should be closer? Isn't it implied that the guides are twins?

[hallow fiber]

I like your way of thinking

Okay now I really leave to sleep, gn everyone!

[narrow marsh]

I placed the idea of the decades camp in there because of you! It's important for us to acknowledge all relevant possibilities.

The war and the cataclysm likely do not happen at the same time, but since we don't know how far from each other they occurred, nor how this impacts the "post apocalyptic" Season groups, I decided to hash them into the same system.

What I meant by that note you're referencing, is that, if we are to assume that the realms that represent the later Kingdom of Sky were only created after the Fire Era was relatively over; what this means is that if a season occurs in the overarching Golden Valley areas, they reasonably occur later in the chronology as opposed to earlier. We can be sure they did not occur during the fire era. I hope this makes sense.

Thank you for adding your thoughts! 🕯️

[spiral vault]

Yes, but they're still different characters. The time between the seasons of Rhythm and Performance would just be a few decades. However, there's still slight technology differences and stuff that make me think Performance is high tech. Plus, they have the painting of an erupting Eden, the instruments of all other seasons, and a role in Aviary Village

[narrow marsh]

The painting of Eden invalidates essentially all evidence to Performance's placement in potential chronology, in my opinion.

All we can rely on is that rule about the realms that I referenced; since it occurs in the Valley of Triumph, we can at least only know for certain that it was before or after the Golden Age of the kingdom. I do agree that the Rhythm and Performance groups could have each existed at any given length from each other; perhaps not too close but not too far in gap along the timeline. 🕯️

[river veldt]

why is there a low humming sound @ red shards?

[narrow marsh]

That, as a writing, media, or overall worldbuilding Theme; usually represents energy / power! 👀🕯️

[river veldt]

what about the mechanical sounds that krills make before they chase you down?

[spiral vault]

It's not just that, also the various other amounts of evidence makes me think Performance happened right after the Shattering, and that it took a while for the Shattering to fully destroy the ancestor civilization

[narrow marsh]

I'll listen to it closely here on the fanmade Sky sound archive by Mufotsuki from Tumblr!
(#notsponsored)
https://pip-pepping.neocities.org/sky-sfx

[narrow marsh]

I've thought about it too; and what a fascinating narrative that would be; that these junior entertainers who never got to perform in front of a large crowd before everything fell apart are still practicing there even after the cataclysm!

Personally, I don't subscribe too strongly to it myself, but it is interesting to consider and standalone cool as a narrative piece. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

You mean while they are targeting you? Or as they dash towards you?

I think the strongest mechanical-sounding sound is when they are idly moving around. It almost sounds like how you would think a train sounds, slowly rolling forward.

[river veldt]

targeting, but before they charge
sounds like an idle engine...

it is a different sound from when they are moving around

[narrow marsh]

The charging-up sound sounds like energy to me, like how a fantastical alien energy gun charges up a shot. The closest real life sound would be a jet engine powering on. 👀

For the idle state sounds, you mean a stuttering car engine or generator?

[river veldt]

the 'targeting, but before they charge' sound refers to

1. after their eye turns red
2. after they roar
3. after they poise
4. when they're locking on
5. but before they pounce

when I have time, I'll record an audio clip of what I meant (i'm busy at the moment!)

[narrow marsh]

Correct. I'm referring to a very specific vibration of what I just heard, first from that archive and then in some YouTube videos for good measure.
The sound intentionally represents that it's "charging up". This is, so we're clear, after the spotlight is indeed red.

[worthy verge]

Does anyone have any good sky lore youtube video reccomendations?

[robust flare]

NOTICED SOMETHING NEW

[robust flare]

The spirit light I think takes its form on the back of the spirit

I don't see it on this one though

I forgot about this. This is my 2nd account, my moth account I use for lore. Idk how I feel about the spirit. It's... really...weird...

Forgot to post the picture

[scenic pebble]

capes
all Spirits with capes modeled on them have one WL on them
and they well, share that WL with you
i think it's just rigged on the model for easier time making them for whoever is making and coding them into the game
maybe some models just have it while others don't
or maybe i'm entirely wrong and it's a very well thought-out lore clue left by someone

[robust flare]

I don't think it was there before! And I didn't think that was a cape

[scenic pebble]

it wasn't there before?
and uh, who the hell is the first guy?

[robust flare]

Candlemaker! And the other is the stargazer

[weak needle]

Just imagine a season where we go literally back in time and we are in the great war?

[scenic pebble]

pointing candlemakers is just special
other Spirits have those WL notes when they have something on their back but he's just special

Ceremonial worshipper just destroyed my theory

so did the Bird wisperer
okey, i'm doing a big list here, ima go check every Spirit and tell ya if they have a WL mote or no

[scenic pebble]

no list needed the tall model is just special

[distant hatch]

The sanctuary, belonging, and I believe Lightseekers guides have 5.

[scenic pebble]

mfw The One Who Remembers remembered]

[robust flare]

Guides must like shiny

[scenic pebble]

not every tho

[robust flare]

Some guides hate shiny /j

[spiral vault]

I'm vehemently anti spirit-light, so I think it's just a bug

[scenic pebble]

can you explain what being anti spirit-light entails?

[inland star]

That'll be to lore heavy, the devs will never

[restive sky]

Hii fellas, is there any sequence of seasons?? I mean in chronological order

[narrow marsh]

I'm not sure... @spiral vault, you had some you were recommending, right?

[narrow marsh]

Hello! I had just made a comprehensive list about that recently 🕯️
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[restive sky]

Daaamn I'm impressed with all ur hard work on it 😧

[narrow marsh]

Thank you, but it's hardly mine. That's mostly the growth of community understanding of Seasons and their place in the world, over the years. 🕯️

[distant hatch]

No, TGC has stated that when they add or change things, like seasons or layouts of areas or even mechanics, it should be considered having always been like that.

So lore wise, a Sky kid could hypothetically do any of the seasons in whatever order.

[narrow marsh]

Ohhh, they meant order to play them in! Yes, the order you go through really, really doesn't matter.

[distant hatch]

I don’t know that the spirits are from different eras, they’re all here because of the same exact(essentially mass extinction) event.

They may seem different because of the artistic themes of the realms representing stages of civilization, but that doesn’t play a strong role in the lore at all aside from influencing what fits in each realm.

[fervent knoll]

any lore about Aviary?

[pastel brook]

Can we revive that one bird outside of the citadel too?

[distant hatch]

What bird? The snow bird?

[distant hatch]

Uhhhhhmmmmmmmm…
Some people say it might’ve been a refuge from the poor state of the kingdom.

[fervent knoll]

@spiral vault hey

[spiral vault]

Yes, there's a self-plug, plus an interesting video that I found, can I dm you?

[spiral vault]

None introduced yet, but I'm certain they're going to include part of it as a plot point in Two Embers

[spiral vault]

If you mean "ordered by when the seasonal spirits lived in the lore", then I have one here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[narrow marsh]

Do you personally believe that every Spirit that we can save who have been trapped by Darkness, all died simultaneously, or at least in the same day? 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

So far, the Spirit memories about Aviary (from Duets with the context of the Abyss group) along with the Dusk Ember (named for their appearance in the dusk end-times of the kingdom) potentially being the Hopeful Steward point to this concept that:

The Aviary was used after the Shattering began (after the cataclysm began).

Perhaps the Aviary had existed and had been lived in even before the end-time began, but its significance in the Ancestor's story is that it was the last safe place that took in any surviving refugees.

I hope this makes enough sense! 🕯️

[fluid knoll]

remembrance would be one of the last chronologically, i'd imagine?

[distant hatch]

Yeah… that’s how I had always interpreted the murals at the beginning of isle…

[worthy verge]

Ofcourse!!

[narrow marsh]

Remembrance would be about refugees. Refugee groups would be caused by either the war or the cataclysm (Shattering).

The former places them earlier in the timeline before the fall of the kingdom, while the latter places them later, after the fall of the kingdom.

Which do you think makes more sense to you? 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Interesting! About the "then the darkness came" line?

[distant hatch]

I believe so, I always imagined it to have been this massive event after the diamond shattered and a massive storm of darkness engulfed the kingdom.

[narrow marsh]

Two Embers definitely showed us some unique new visuals of spreading storm clouds! I can't wait to see what the animation has to offer us in terms of visual context. 🕯️

[mellow marten]

Hey may I ask why the shattering event in specific, never land on Isle of Dawn?

[fluid knoll]

i'm new here i didn't even realize the war and the cataclysm were two different events

[distant hatch]

It could be too far, or maybe TGC wants to keep the realm as a mostly barren tutorial realm and so they don’t add things that requires a bunch of players to be there all the time.

[narrow marsh]

It's no biggie! The war is a confirmed series of battles and skirmishes between different factions of Ancestors, with the reason for the war and the conflict between the two sides being largely ambiguous at the moment. The war seems to have occurred almost completely within the lower half of the Golden Valley, which became the Golden Wasteland realm as a result.

[Sources:
4th AURORA quest, The Seed from AURORA concert, Sky: The Two Embers (upcoming animated series) trailers, and more!]

The cataclysm is moreso a widely unofficial term used to reference a period following the exact moment where the giant diamond in Eden... Shatters; creating the storm, and spreading darkness across the world.

[Pictured in the final Shattering memory]

[scenic pebble]

win-game?
TGC don't want to put anything there because it's supposed to be a "first impression" place
in lore?
idk, maybe it's the range of Shards
or rather the current range of Shards
since in the last Shattering memory we see how more shards went in the direction of Isle maybe there just ain't enough of it there anymore
who knows

[celest birch]

Speaking of Isle of Dawn, you actually can´t see the Mountain of Eden from there until you pass the Elder´s Temple and even then it´s so far that the Shattering Eruption only causes the great shockwave to ripple through it, so maybe it´s far enough from the mountain to not suffer from shards. 🤔

Source: was there during the Shard Eruption, no sky changes, but the ground did shake.

[mellow marten]

Could make sense.... But what if the shards can land at anywhere? Imagine Eden shards just- Land in the middle of Home/Portal realms 😂

Okay but jokes aside, it seem like Isle of Dawn Realm seem to be the safest from the Shattering, idk if it is related to the doorgate at Eden either cause Isle Elder doesn't get to be included on the Eden door ykyk, maybe I'm just guessing it out for fun

[scenic pebble]

hmmmm
maybe it's also just a good defense position against Eden shelling them

[celest birch]

Yeah! Sure, the shockwaves themselves are potentially strong enough to level buildings still, but when it comes to shelling (sharding?) the place, it´s potentially both that and distance that shield it. By far the closest shard we have to Isle is either a Butterfly Fields black shard or the memory shard landing at the center of Aviary Village´s Concert Hall (Cellist memory 1), but given than we don´t know the distance between Aviary and Isle ... yeah.

[scenic pebble]

"how did Tsadi train?"
"who do you think sliced all those mountains in half?"

[valid dagger]

The isle of dawn being the only place that safe from eden's wrath is indeed suspicious. I also questioning why daleth face didn't get included in the stone even if daleth also confronting the king in the final moment of shattering with the other elders as well. I wonder if it's related to king relationship with isle elder, bcs they're former student and teacher with eachother

[mellow marten]

Actually, now that you mention the distance.... Can't we use the shrine to compare? The map is pretty convenient

[robust flare]

Also there's this map

[robust flare]

I think the shards don't land in Eden because of new players. It would make the start of the game odd if shards landed there

Even if new players didn't see the shards, they'd see a cluster of other players which might be confusing

[valid dagger]

That might be true, but what about the prairie? that place too are swarmed with moth that continuing their journey after isle of dawn but still got affected by rain of shard.

[narrow marsh]

Red shards do not land in the butterfly field nor the village, only black shards 🕯️
(Okay wait maybe I'm wrong )

[lament depot]

Isn't there a red shard event in the village?

Unrelated to that, is there any reason skykids don't just drop anywhere upon being reborn after orbit/first starting the game? If there's an explanation on it aside from "the tutorial starts when they land", I'd like to look into it

it's probably gonna boil down to "they're awake when falling"

[spiral vault]

You could chalk it up to "destiny/fate/they were meant to land here". Maybe they were 'summoned' to the place in aviary village, the stone circle where you land on has a marking

[lament depot]

Oooh that makes sense! Thanks

[scenic pebble]

POV: Ancestors testing the skid summoning circle for the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYUr-5PYA7s
||it's the Space X rocket catching thingy||

[lament depot]

This footage was brought to you by the moments guide /j

[celest birch]

No, Village has a black shard. Reds are in Sanctuary, Bird Nest and Cave.

[celest birch]

:)

[lament depot]

Ohh okay, I could've sworn I'd seen one in village before but I was thinking of the one in bird nest

[celest birch]

We don´t see shards land in Treasure Reef and Wind Paths as well, thus it seems like current shard eruptions are actually weaker than what the potential first one was like.

Kind of makes me think that the wayward shard that landed in Aviary Village´s Concert Hall in Cellist memories 1 is one of the shards from the actual Shattering explosion itself.

[mellow marten]

That's could be the explanation for why there's no shattering event in Aviary Village but there was one in Cellist Memories. I'm almost convince the nowadays Shattering Events landing on few conventional spots that can find the shattering events happening might be because the Eden is somewhat alive, and it just want to spite those specific realms/jkjk 🤣)

[celest birch]

[celest birch]

Funny, given my headcanon that ever since the Shattering, the ♦️ is sentient. And honestly, I´d say that current Shard Eruptions are kind of like Etna constantly erupting over and over again, spewing stuff in a few constant locations.

[scenic pebble]

do shards fall in wind paths?

[soft timber]

Gentle reminder that this works pretty well if you include the fact that the Assembly Guide aka Granny told the ♦️via the already fallen crystals to move

[celest birch]

No; I like to imagine that they don´t fall in Wind Paths because of the overall ancient magic that has created them as well as them being relatively widespread when it comes to surface area. Most shards would probably just fly past them down. 😅 The bigger question is why they don´t fall in the Citadel, Coliseum and Sliding Race.

[scenic pebble]

because the shard decided it would be mean to interrupt someone's race and moment of triumph
or Elder spells are so strong there

[celest birch]

... I´m gonna go with Elder influence. 🤭 Since given that we have 2 of them, each probably being responsible for their own race (Sliding and Flying), hmm.

[scenic pebble]

and, where's the citadel?

[celest birch]

Especially given how we literally have to reawake all of them for us to be allowed into Eden.

Citadel is above the Ice Rink; the one with a Saturn-looking model at the center. 🪐

[scenic pebble]

wacky rings are a shield
or more likely the devs had no clue where to put them and make it have any semblence of sense that it fell there and didn't destroy anything

[celest birch]

I´m gonna go with the shield. Thanks. 🤭 Even if the shard could technically fall into the area where one can occasionally find a rotating candle cake in front of the candle pillars.

Since we don´t know what kind of magical stuff does Citadel have to have those spinning floating rings and all.

[scenic pebble]

i am half sure it was just a cool racing track
every memory there makes you feel like that
or
oh it clicked
THE FUNNY BALLY RINGS PUSH EVERYTHING UP
thus making shards just slide off and fall somewhere else
my brain is too smooth the shards slide right off

[celest birch]

That´s the magic.

[celest birch]

Updated the map for lore enthusiasts and things are ... interesting. Sorry if it looks tiny!

The Shattering explosion is absolutely TERRIFYING tho if this is its scale.

[scenic pebble]

"guys, i have a sick idea"
"what is it?"
"this one piece of darkstone can power the entire kingdom, it will save us all"
"what's the catch?"
"it'll bring our demise upon us quicker if we do something wrong"
"and you know what is it that will make it go off and do something bad?"
"no"
"this is a great idea you should totally make it and have fun with it when you're under most stress and you're in your most unstable state and the entire world is crumbling around us"

[celest birch]

Makes me scared how this seems to at times be a mindset of our world´s leaders that have the nukes. 😓

[spiral vault]

No, but I think that's gameplay related, it's too cramped to fit anywhere.

If you want a lore reason, imagine the falling shards missing the Wind Paths island and crashing below the clouds

[narrow marsh]

OMG imagine if Steward intentionally created that circle knowing that would happen

[valid dagger]

Isle elder: "Scrap that, we must live in harmony with the light creature"
King: "Ok"

Happy Ending (?)

[inland star]

So, what would happen if we didn't cleanse the shards? Would they continue to spread more and more, eventually corrupting the realms they land in?

[inland star]

More likely it would've been one of the elders

[valid dagger]

Maybe they just stay there until someone cleanse them. But if that so, with so many eruptions occuring, without someone that cleanse it, it will eventually pile up in other realms too

[inland star]

And I think with all the darkness, it'll attract Krills, too

[valid dagger]

Krills gonna start to invade the other realms if that happens

[inland star]

Also, why do the Elder face accessories have some protection enchantment to them?

[valid dagger]

Maybe that's the sign of their blessing of protection bestowed upon us?

[inland star]

Possibly

[topaz yoke]

I was told that the eggs in the hidden forest might be krill eggs

[narrow marsh]

Oh? Perhaps. If that were the case, it would disprove that Aviary was predominantly a post-Shattering society. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

This is fantastic!!!

[inland star]

Quite possibly

And can we talk about Aurora for a bit? I just got finished relitening her memories

[celest birch]

There used to be a daily quest that talked about "visiting the Eagle's Nest in Hidden Forest", thus no worries, those eggs aren't Krill's. Besides, I'd say they look kind of too big to belong to them.

[celest birch]

Thanks. You're welcome to the nightmares. 😅 That thing is a nuclear bomb!

[celest birch]

Agreeing ... not to mention that this series of events is all because some Elders/the King had to make their horrific insane idea of Eden ♦️ a thing ... </3

[celest birch]

Given the mapped Shattering info (my headcanon), it definitely seems like Aviary Village existed before the Shattering. :)

[narrow marsh]

I don't understand, could you explain again?

[narrow marsh]

Oh! What about them? Quests 1, 2, and 4 are so very important; it'd be great to hear your thoughts!

[celest birch]

It´s based on what happened via Cellist memories and the context that while it has a shard landing in the middle of the Concert Hall (which is gone by the time we play), this doesn´t happen anymore during regular Shard Eruptions (shards landing anywhere in Aviary Village).

Which, at least to me (via the Sky Map where I mapped Shard Eruption areas and all), potentially signifies that the Aviary Village was established before the Shattering event itself and that the shard that landed in the middle of the Concert Hall was the shard from the very first Shattering explosion itself (seen in Elders memory).

Which is pretty much based on irl observations about volcanoes where a sleeping volcano can potentially have horrifically devastating eruptions when they do go off while ones that regularly erupt don´t have so much anymore. :)

[rapid latch]

This aligns even more with my OC’s lore, she’s a princess living in the Elevated Clearing of Hidden Forest, and lost her sight and scarred her face in a shard event when she was 5.

[valid dagger]

Using rl volcanoes mechanism analogy is genius! I've never think about that. But i've heard something similar like that before bcs in my country there's two sleeping volcanoes and both of their first eruptions that happened a long time ago are devastating enough that resulting the one volcano eruption could make a big lake and the other one could cover the whole world by its residue for at least a year from the sunlight

[celest birch]

Yeah; similarly with earthquakes ... and given how the Mountain of Eden is technically a really big Ancestor-made volcano now, it just writes itself. 🤭

[inland cliff]

Random Q but what do y'all think this light thingy is

[celest birch]

Looks like a piece of star masonry.

Aka the turret head from Battlefield.

[nimble ingot]

my guess is a stationary decoration meant to represent a star fish in Sky.

That is at least what I think the lore is.
But from a gameplay perspective. It is an asset used to decorate the area.

However there are 2 possible meanings I think there could be:

• TGC added this to hint at star energy for the boats. Since there is a sunken boat right next to this.
• Or it is just something to imply other sea creatures, but also to limit them to being just a decoration since they dont have a function in the game (which is unfortunate to simply not have more of them and they passively move about like how they do that with birds)

[inland cliff]

I think I'll go with the second guess since it does resemble starfish but just not 5 star lol

[nimble ingot]

That is a good point.

I wonder if that is intentionally to link them to either a certain species of starfish, and/or emphasis the 4's motif.
There is a hidden pattern of 4 elements in Sky.

• the 4 elements
• 4 boats in dawn
• 4 points of a star
• 4 cardinal directions (albeit this is rarely acknowledged in the game to be fair)
• squared diamond (rhombus)

[inland cliff]

I think it's possible since sky has had a history of emphasizing some concept/motifs like the duality of light and darkness and so on

[humble zinc]

My very dumb theory:

Maybe when Prince went to Eye of Eden to ascend himself (Mural in Prophecy cave) some kind of darkness (maybe?) trapped it into Eden making it into that winged light we see when we die in Eden?
And it's soul (Light or idk) Got taken by other Spirit which took the role from Prince and turned into King and changed it's name?

(Dumb theories with krill)

[novel lodge]

no no wait, krill's cöökin

[inland star]

I'm more interested in the 4th one

[narrow marsh]

@robust flare

[inland star]

In Aroura's last memory, she's seen in the Wastelands' battlefield

[scenic pebble]

that one was interesting
another smol krill confirmation
and the Ancestors which we follow were shelled with a lot of different stuff the moment they set foot outside the big fort
then they got chased around by a big krill
can't imagine the hellhole that Wasteland was back then
either get gotten by the rebels or get into some krill's eyes

[narrow marsh]

It's important to remember that creatures in Sky don't have to follow Earth's rules exactly, because Sky's world isn't really Earth's world.

If all life truly is "given breath by starlight" as the murals in the Isle of Dawn said, then I think even hardened, grounded creatures like starfish and crabs would retain some features that hint that they may have originated from The Light. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

We did already speculate together that the Shattering got weaker over time, so perhaps the reason why we can be more certain that it won't happen again is because it's ranged AOE got smaller.

Let's go over all genuine potential scenarios of the situation in order to be sure we know which options are all equally still possible.

Speculations

1. The extended range of the Shattering is weakening.

2. The ratio of Shardfalls hitting the distantly-placed Aviary compared to anywhere else in the kingdom was likely very low.

3. Combining these two together, we might be able to assume that the Shardfalls attacked almost everywhere else in the kingdom long before it ever reached the Aviary.
   (We have also recently speculated that it only takes one Shardfall for darkness to spread outward from that point where it lands. Therefore the Duets stage could have been Aviary's ground zero.)

**However**, if I'm not mistaken, I think you were implying that you believe the Shattering threw shards into every single area in the kingdom, when it first happened? If so, then we can consider that as:
4. The Shattering may have destroyed the entire kingdom all at once, or at least in the same day. This outcome would cancel out #s 2 and 3, while #1 is still relevant, as Shardfalls do not happen in Aviary today.

Please correct me if there's anything I've misrepresented, or need to add anything! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

This would indeed make sense, as the Ruler seemed to have been overcharging the diamond significantly before the first fatal moments of the Shattering. Every moment after was weaker. Very cool! 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Yes! This and the concert was insane for the lore community, as it finally, officially confirmed the long-since-debated topic of the civil war.

Before the Season of Aurora, there was a distinct divide between two beliefs:

1. The Civil War (Two Shields Theory)
   A theorized war between Ancestors, due to hints of different factions fighting in the battlefield.

2. The Creature War
   A theorized war against the creatures of darkness, largely based on the Backstory Timeline concept art by Tom Zhao.

But AURORA confirmed that while darkness creatures were there, the central, initial theme indeed surrounds the Ancestors fighting each other.
The presence of the Dark Dragons, however, leaves potential for them to add even more chaos to the overall narrative of the war.

Are there any smaller details you noticed about the scene in the quest? New perspectives are always important. 🕯️

[inland star]

It looked like Aurora didn't seem interested in choosing a side, but rather helping anyone who was injured

[narrow marsh]

Aurora? Ohhh, you mean the Ancestor we follow in this quest?

[spiral vault]

Actually, I think the circle is created as soon as we fall onto it, which has its own implications

[inland star]

Yeah

[narrow marsh]

Ah right I remember! Thanks for reminding me

[narrow marsh]

Correct, the Ancestor (I think they're called Seed of Hope?) goes around helping both sides of the factions.

[inland star]

Unless there are official names for them, I like to call the factions the Followers (Rash's loyalists) and the Purists (the ones against Rash's)

But please educate me if I get something wrong

[scenic pebble]

words cannot describe how i feel about Sky Bot sometimes

[inland star]

I heard this civil war was about the usage of the dark stones that were mined, correct?

[narrow marsh]

That makes a lot of sense! Resh's forces have indeed been called Loyalists by some in the community before. And the opposing force were the ones who were angry at the Darkstone stealing the Light! Very nice. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Did it send something and delete it

[narrow marsh]

That's the popular theory! The peak of Darkstone's industrialization in Wasteland seems to coincide with the rising tensions we see in Remembrance and the Two Embers trailers. 🕯️

[inland cliff]

Wait what part of the isle of dawn murals depict all life originated from starlight?

[inland star]

I think "The Purists" fits nicely for them

[narrow marsh]

@robust flare sorry for the multiple pings but can you answer when you can? You have all the notes on hand lol 🕯️

[inland star]

With the industrialization in the Wastelands, and processing the Darkstones, it turned the Wastelands into what it is today. And after seeing the effects of it, the Purists (attempted) to put a stop to it. But the Loyalists and the dark creatures prevented them from putting an end to it

At least, that's what I think went down

[narrow marsh]

Seems like we're developing some great concepts! What do you think the dark creature's extended roles in this war and these battles were? 🕯️

[inland star]

I have a couple of ideas. But the most likely one (in my opinion) is that they were neutral in the conflict, attacking both factions tht came into their line of sight. Unless someone had control over them to attack the Purists.

[narrow marsh]

@celest birch How different would an iteration of your graph look on this map from the art book?

[narrow marsh]

I think so too!
But some people think that, even if they were neutral, they were introduced into the fight on purpose as a weapon

Do you think they were intentionally introduced by a faction, or would it make more sense to believe that they just appeared eventually?

[inland star]

If they were intentionally introduced, someone had to have control over them

[celest birch]

Ok,that's is interesting and honestly, it wouldn't be too different; it would be just easier to map out the actual blast radius of the current shardfall ... and the mountain border would make so much more sense. :)

[narrow marsh]

It does appear that they attacked both sides indiscriminately... 🕯️

(Ah I see the entire squad is here )

[scenic pebble]

sigh
once more then
do we know what where the Ancestors fighting over?
no
we do not know
all we do know is that they were fighting in the Wasteland
that's suspiciously close to THE VAULT
why there though? ||although granted there's the REMAINS OF THE FIRST BATTLE in concept art about the Forest so maybe fighting took place there too but i'd guess more that it was about the dangers of darkness creatures more than anything else||
hmmm, idk, maybe they wanted to get in there?
we see refugees take shelter there, but what they were running from?
were they already running from the conflict that was blazing everywhere else?
why do we not see it take place anywhere else then?
no, i think it's much worse
by the time we see the conflict in The Two Embers we see how the Storm has already came about, that was before the Shard turned red
so, why were the refugees running to The Vault?
idk, maybe because it seemed to be relatively safe there?
maybe many people thought like this?
maybe the entire kingdom thought like this?
well, doubt there was enough space there for everyone
nor enough supplies
they just couldn't let everyone in
so what do ya'll think the ones left behind would want to do?
idk, people seem to be at their most irrational under such dire circumstances as THE END OF THE WORLD
especially when abandoned by their superiors
there is also a secondary theory in my eyes, based solely of off the time it was said that Elders heralded dead Ancestors back to the stars
why didn't they run away in such a form then?
why didn't they just turn back into The Light?
because their connection was cut and the clouds covered all
all?
no, one place still stood, one place where the presence of Light could still be found
atop Eden
else, how would the Shard still work and mine?
oops, running outta space in here
the last option then, would be the "darkstone bad" option
but i no longer have space for it so i will elaborate further in a second note

[robust flare]

Aviary murals, as well as cave of prophecy murals!

Aviary intro-
"Once, the stars were united and our light was infinite.
The first of us descended to build a kingdom in the clouds.
But we took our light for granted
And in shadow we withered away."

[celest birch]

Since you can see that due to Orbit's in-game location, the mountain border looks really skewered. 🤭🤭

[narrow marsh]

Noone you're amazing 😭

[celest birch]

If Orbit would actually be located above the peak, then we'd absolutely get a game-accurate mountain border. :D

[inland star]

Someone with the Loyalists had to have for them to be introduced intentionally. Otherwise, they would've appeared eventually on their own, attracted to the darkness

[robust flare]

I also find it interesting that the wasteland Elder's statue itself is within the vault entrance!

[celest birch]

It's basically a gatekeeper to Vault's entrance there and since I've heard that Vault is presumably located inside the mountain ...

[narrow marsh]

You make a great point that they were fighting over access to the Vault, with one defending it and the other trying to break in!

However, tt's important to understand that in the Backstory Timeline, dark creatures didn't exist yet. They were still figuring out how to create the story, and at this point that this concept is made, the Timeline states that the creatures were not dark creatures but just creatures in general! (Light did not exist as a Theme or function yet, and neither did darkness. Only the Flame and the soul cycle were developed, with no mention of a "light cycle" of "creatures of light".)

In the Timeline, these creatures who belonged to the Megabird (which was a sentient deity over the soul cycle at this point in the timeline) would attack the Ancestors for stealing the power of the Flame from the Elder Creatures.

I hope this adds some clarity to how much has changed between Launch and the unfinished state at that point of the Backstory Timeline concept art. It unfortunately cannot be used as solid evidence, and at most we can only extrapolate some Themes from it.

[robust flare]

The vault used to be called forbidden vault I think, I forgot that name
Or maybe that was for the forest...but I think the vault was called that

[celest birch]

Not to mention that in Twin Embers trailers we also saw how Battlefield uses to look like; a small marketplace-like area.

Wouldn't be beyond thinking that the Vault served as a mix between college, academy, research area, library and actual vault.

[inland star]

Do we think it's possible the two factions fought there?

[celest birch]

If you ask me, I'd say that first battles occurred either at Ruined Temple or Graveyard.

[narrow marsh]

The Forest used to be called the Forbidden Forest in concepts, correct. This was changed because... Well.... Those who know. 🕯️

[inland star]

In the trailer, we see an ancestor do something in the vault with the children

[narrow marsh]

I love this! And yes, though I won't be able to find it, there was other concept art released for TTE showing a Wasteland temple/factory completely undestroyed and in a grassy field, surrounded by a marketplace full of tents and canopies.

[celest birch]

Once it reached Battlefield, it definitely seemed to me that this was a desperate struggle for survival, be it via different factions or via creatures.

[celest birch]

Yeah ... I can only hope that it would be similar to what one would expect from college and not some sort of sacrifice. </3

...
and yes, I'm completely of opinion that once Krills arrived that things went from a civil war to a literal struggle for survival because at least in the trailer, these things are both merciless and rampaging like literal death.

No kidding, when I first saw them come, the first thought I had of them was the Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

[inland star]

And it looked like even some of the best warriors had trouble fighting them

[celest birch]

No wonder why would they be called Dark Dragons.

[inland star]

But I agree, before the Krill, it was a war between factions. But once they showed up, it was either fight the dragons or each other

[celest birch]

Seeing how generally a dragon is a force of nature of tooth, wing and deadly breath, capable of destroying entire cities in their wrath.

And yes, same applies to Eastern Dragons as well. Make one mad and it's gonna unleash an apocalypse on you.

Only that unlike a breath weapon, their powers include literal storms, tsunamis, hurricanes, everything connected with water.

[inland cliff]

Sorry if I'm being dumb honestly but how does that and the prophecy murals imply that ancestors were light descendents ?

[narrow marsh]

Can't find it myself my friend had a picture of it on their post 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

also some more concept art from the animation project

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/wi8hwg/i_cant_wait_to_hear_more_about_the_sky_animation/?rdt=44495

[scenic pebble]

continuing over
"darkstone bad"
why is darkstone bad?
"it poisoned the water and killed our fish"
"it drove us from our homes"
"The Storm is it's fault"
"the funny looking shrimp that ate my family is here because of it"
there's probably much more that i could go over with it
but, what has it brought?
many things that most of which we probably do not see
darkstone has brought prosperity to those who had it, but it is quite visible that it's gifts were not given to everyone equally
and while all that it has also brought ruin
i guess that's at least partially what we could call an Enkidu situation ||i have no clue why but the lament after this guy is an absolute banger||
so, when the end of the world is at bay, you were forsaken by your protectors and you can only wait for the consequences those who exploited your labor for their gain and brought this doom upon you,
what do you do?
hmmmmm
maybe like, show the nobles why you kind of dislike them?
try stopping the thing that's actively making everything worse?
you're not gonna reverse the harm done to you, but at least stop it from being done to others
i guess my train of thought is kind of failing now
yes, the steam boiler in it is overheating, doubt i'll figure out much more

[celest birch]

Funny, given how I've just discussed the possibility that Krill are death dealers of both sides.

[inland star]

Considering the Wastelands' temple's elder is a general (I think), is it possible it could've been used for military purposes?

[scenic pebble]

i don't see why not

[celest birch]

Could be; we didn't see how their army facilities look like. Honestly, the walls there really give me an impression of a barracks.

...
Oh and let's not forget the sleeping Krill within Battlefield's sands!

Which makes me think that this area essentially got Smaug'd, only instead of one dragon, there were at least 3. Very similarly with Graveyard.

Once Krills came, there was nothing but death for the fighters, no matter their side.

[narrow marsh]

Sleeping krill? In the sands?

[celest birch]

Yeah, the 3 hidden Krill in Battlefield that only emerge when you open Wasteland Elder's Temple entrance portcullis.

Even if I did once say that the whole Golden Wasteland realm reminds me of a giant medieval castle.

[nimble ingot]

Technically speaking, all the krill found in the wasteland lie and wait until they emerge from the sand or dark water (safe for the one constantly patrolling the forgotten ark area).

The ones in battlefield just wait for the gate to open. The others emerge when the skykid enters the area.

[celest birch]

Yeah; almost seeming like those infamous scenes when dragons wake up from their slumber/hibernation.

Eden knows how old these Krill are, honestly; they could've potentially been a part of the War itself! 👀

[nimble ingot]

Dragons tend to have an extraordinarily long life span. So it very much is possible!

[celest birch]

It is interesting how the ones at Battlefield only emerge once the portcullis is open tho. 🤔

My personal suspicion is that this happens because they've been in a much longer hibernation mode than the rest because with others, we see other creatures as well like crabs. Not so much in Battlefield tho.

[gleaming zodiac]

Why is vault different from the other realms?

[scenic pebble]

what is so different?

[gleaming zodiac]

there is no lobby like in the others and when you honk the star symbol doesnt show up

[scenic pebble]

maybe it's supposed to symbolize your growth and how after going through Wasteland you no longer need directions and know where to go
or i'm reading too much into that
also, the star guide marker is now called a "lost light"
this may also symbolize how Light is abundant and connected in Vault
how it's now a part of your path that there is no straying from
how everything comes here with a path in mind, how it no longer needs a guide because it has already become one
or like, something else, feel free to come up with your own ideas

[gleaming zodiac]

i really like your interpretation especially when vault symbolize the elder stage of live

[nimble ingot]

That is a good question.

It is the first realm that is more vertical and with a layout that is more subliminal (meaning it makes less sense in a physical space)

I like @scenic pebble 's interpretation of the realm recapping your progress through the realms. Although it is notably vague with the only true call back being the constellation that shows up for each floor and the few (if any) hints of the realms.
Namely the memory/starry whale/manta on the 5 floor and the ribs representing wasteland as an example.

It feels like a realm that could use more explanation for the sake of the story.
Because the idea of having the 'absence' and 'emptiness' to tell a story sadly does not in fact tell a story. It simply literally leaves blank spaces for the player to fill in the gaps.
It would more so be infuriating if there would be an update in the future that fills in said blanks. Thus giving the solution to a problem that was left without one all this time.
And even more so if the game does not bother filling in the blanks and just references the Animation Project to save the story. While using said project to be the 'other half' of the story to a game with more than 5 years of ongoing updates.

5 years to tell a story that could be told in roughly 4 hours.

While there are many authors, developers and even game makers (ex. D&D ) who have been telling stories that lasted years.

5 years to work on the lore. Of which I sadly doubt would take people even a month to know the story if given all of the pieces. And not fed crumbs and red herrings over the years.

"lore is open to interpretation"
I am starting to wonder if:
A. The is no actual lore, just a framework for people to make their own lore.
B. There is lore, but we don't have all the pieces. And the reason why. is something only God and TGC would really know.

[lucid bridge]

I like this lantern. Do you think it’s painted or made out of something like agate?

[nimble ingot]

Sudden epiphany about the sound in Eden.
The sound where the trumpets slowly blare a set of distinct notes >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtc6DR6UwE&t=409s

I was listening to a music analysis video (not related to sky), and came across a similar set of notes that resemble the trumpet's notes.
It is called a dies irae
The first 4 seconds (7 notes) match that of the trumpets >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/score/k/e/ke8f4c8o7jwi67wrk3rgujvnbbj55bn/ke8f4c8o.mp3

The more I look into it, the more eerie the theory becomes....
Knowing my reputation of theorising with Eden lore, I will be super light with the research and hypothesising (analysis and theory writing).

Trumpets symbolise victory, royalty, and resurrection.
This contrasts the current state of Eden being in ruin, without a King and represents death.

Another factor to add on to the dies irae where only the first 4 notes are used. The number 4 within this context can symbolise finality (similar to death, which lines up with Asian superstition/myth). The number also represent resurrection as well as related to time ( the fourth dimension), as well as the 4 seasons, 4 elements, 4 phases of the moon, the four sights based on Buddhist legend, and 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

The phrase means in Latin "The day of Wrath"
Where the musical motif is used to represent death.

Eden lore can get super dark and I will recommend those who look into this with caution.

[inland star]

Ok, now that might be a stretch

[nimble ingot]

It is, but that is about as much as there is to work with in Eden.

Aside from the statue kids (the fallen), the red crystal violently threatening to shatter at any moment, the giant crumbling statues, and the darkness.

[inland star]

Speaking of which, what would happen if the crystal shattered?

Would it fling shards all over the Realm of the Sky, putting it into total darkness? Or will it cleanse the darkness?

I think of it did, we're all screwed

[sly acorn]

Maybe both

Both is good.

[brittle wren]

I used to think the shattering was a result of errant rocks in the storm clipping large pieces of the heart off and sending them catapulting through the realms of sky which is why they still happen occasionally to this day, but with the freeze-frame in the season of shattering where you can see hundreds of tiny fragments breaking off all at once for some strange unknown reason I’m starting to doubt that

Is the heart corrupted? Was the heart initially a different color? Or is it’s supposed power of creation so unstable and sudden at close range that it becomes a danger to all it touches?

[sly acorn]

What if we just overcharge the dark crystal (Again) with more light to see what happen?

Just like... Final fight with Pooh and Kai.

We'll, i do actually have more than just that, and by more i mean questions.

Is the Crystal created ¿Right? By the ones of the land after a lot of years when the King arrive, i guess.

Wouldnt be a little of information of that thing in the Voult of Knowlegde to know i little bit more of it and how it works and for what purpuse was created?

Because there is the great beam that... Guides all spirits of Sky to the Megabird?

This is the question:
Was the Crystal created because of the Beam of Light or the Beam of Light because of the Crystal?

[brittle wren]

I think the bean of light emanates from the crystal. The name Eden implies that the heart is the dawn of creation in this world, at least the physical. All beings in this world seem to have a spirit or “memory” attached to their being that remains long after they’ve deceased, whether people of the land or animals

There is something to be said for the theory that the cosmos (or whatever it’s called, I don’t know the actual lore this is just what I’ve tried to figure for myself) forms these beacons of creation that create world and that it’s done so for many other worlds than our own, that there are hundreds, thousands, possibly infinite other worlds in this universe each formed around their own “Eden” but if that were the case you’d think we’d see other beams Em imaging from the cosmos as well

[sly acorn]

There you go

[brittle wren]

I don’t think the holistic world building of Sky is that deep though, the beam of light could just be cool and this world might be all there is. But I mean, that’s all there needs to be. In the end it’s sky’s intention to be more artistic than anything, so I’m not sure there’s a succinct answer for that

[brittle wren]

Is it a bird? I always saw it as 3D where it one continuous river of light going off into the distance

And I always thought that the strand of light were made up of spirits on their journey towards their supposed final destination

But I guess it’s possible that each of the stands of light comes from a separate heart of creation in a separate world, and this is the great light that unifies them. Or some other poetic junk like that XD

[sly acorn]

I feel like it could also be taken from the Dream Village Performers story?

Because also during the performance they make a small reference to the "first" Children of Light. The King.

I recite:
"Long ago, a star that lost its light fell from the sky and from it emerged a Child"

Something like that. But if he is the first Child of Light, I'm not sure. There are images in The Trials of the Prophets in which you see on the map, not only the king... But others... But they could possibly be just other hybrids of the Earth.

BUT!

According to the concept art the inhabitants of the Earth are... hybrids... Of what? Maybe... Of Children of Light much older than the King with the ancestors of the inhabitants we meet today? That would explain why they all even have... wings. This small detail is seen in the first memories of one of the Spirits on the Isle of Dawn. But with respect to the Mega Bird.

The Mega Bird is the total conglomeration of all the beings of light for the cycle of perpetual rebirth. I don't think it is a Being by itself per se... But the conglomeration of beings of light is formed in its entirety by these same beings who created the cycle. Possibly that is what caused the creation of the first Child of Light and his descent. And therefore his other fellow servants, that is to say us. Which can tell us that the Children of Light have arisen by mere coincidence because of the Rebirth, because we are guided by a cycle in which you can be reborn as anything by mere chance, possibly.

And the creation of the other Children of Light is perhaps due to the entity of the Mega Bird, who being aware of a loss of control in the cycle of rebirth, caused by the King, sending more of these to reestablish the cycle.

It's fascinating!

It's literally a blank check for Thatgamecompany to do whatever they want.

[spiral vault]

It would be interesting to see someone musically analyze the soundtrack of Sky Cotl

[nimble ingot]

It would because there is certainly musical theory to analyse.
And it has not been the first time someone took a look at the music in sky to dissect its music theory.

[spiral vault]

I'd be interested to know about such a thing

[sly acorn]

Just take a look at the concep art book.

Specifically this:

[boreal halo]

Is there a name for the sky world?

[inland star]

Yeah, the Realm of the Sky

[boreal halo]

Yeah I probably should have guessed that. 😅 That brain cell did not spark
Just wondering because it's called the Eye of Eden, though really everyone calls it Eden anyway. So ig I just was wondering if maybe the world was called Eden and the Eye of Eden was, well, the Eye.

[inland star]

Nah, everyone calls the Eye of Eden "Eden" for simplicity sake

[boreal halo]

Well yeah I do the same I was just wondering if the world was actually called Eden, and not just Eye of Eden called Eden for, as you said, simplicity's sake.
Does that make sense?
My words have not been wording much today lol

[inland star]

So other than the Wastelands elder, do we know any others who sided with Rash?

I know the blacksmith (forest elder?) Helped with the industrialization of the Darkstones

[spiral vault]

I used to think that, but I think Eden refers to the large mountain, and the Eye of Eden is just the small realm, the part at the very top of the mountain

[celest birch]

I always though the Eye of Eden is the ♦️ at the top instead.

[hushed steeple]

So earlier we were talking something like only the spirits knew how to use magic to some extent

And they’ve got psycoakenisis

How do we feel about the idea the moths can also do it but they’re not as strong (for obvious reasons)

What prompted this is the door in the vault that takes four moths using levitate to open

[hushed steeple]

Same btw

[violet kestrel]

I personally think those doors are hidden bunkers reserved for elders. The one on the second floor has the exact number of seats for elders and the furniture is their size. One stool is flipped over and Prarie elder is the only one not on Eden door. I think they were making plans and an elder left

[hushed steeple]

I’m asking for peoples takes on the moths being able to move stuff with their minds, mb I should’ve structured that better

[humble zinc]

Thank you thank you

[humble zinc]

Elders meetings maybe

[celest birch]

Prairie Elder is on Eden door, it´s the leftmost bottom one. It´s Isle Elder that isn´t. :)

[narrow marsh]

The holistic worldbuilding of Sky isn't that deep though
Ahhhh, may I offer you just a crumb of Megabird / The Sea of Light in the Sky? 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Functionally, the realm is only nicknamed The Eye of Eden, but that is the realm's canon name.
We have no official confirmation of anything besides that, but we all extrapolate different things from it.

My personal views are that the diamond itself as the Eye of Eden, and the city/realm built arop the mountain is named Eden.

Otherwise, the only ' safely canon' ways to reference each are as follows:

1. The diamond / The Light mine
   Basic reference / Art book

2. The holy land / The holy city /The city of Eden / The realm of Eden
   Concept art / Basic references

3. The mountain / The mountain of Eden
   Basic reference

Though we use names such as "power diamond" and "Eden crystal", I've been leaning more into just saying "the diamond" as it allows for theorists to speculate more broadly. 🕯️

[novel lodge]

ohh but that leads to even darker/more concerning implications
did the isle elder leave ||or was he taken out by force ? his broken mask has always made me wonder...||

[celest birch]

He is actually symbolized by the big vertical line on Eden Door. :D

[novel lodge]

following what was said here ^^;

[celest birch]

@novel lodge And this vertical slit only triggers when all other Elders had been reawakened, thus Isle Elder is literally the beginning and the end of story, as it seems. :)

[robust flare]

Technically there's more than six.
Isle, prairie, forest, wasteland, vault, Eden, then two valley.
I joke that the valley elders shared a seat and it's the one that's knocked over 🤣 Just a silly thought though.

I actually think perhaps the table is just a relic of the past that was never removed
Rn I'm cat sitting or else I'd be lore-ing it up

[inland star]

Does anyone knows?

[gleaming mango]

I theorize that skykids and ancestors don’t have telekinesis, but rather, the memory lanterns can hover on their own, and skykids and ancestors simply control the location of them with their minds

[valid dagger]

idk, maybe the forest elder could be, assuming she is the one that mass produced the darkstone. Except of course, she is being forced to produce it. The vault elder seems neutral as it shows from the trailer that she still report the situations to the king, but at the same time she's preparing the vault for the cataclysm ahead.

Oh yeah, i forgot the twins. Because they are the one who spreading the king's propaganda, of course they sided with the king

[scenic pebble]

counterpoint
Sky Olympics and Forest Elder cutscene
but yes, the memory lanterns float "on their own" just like boats and the funny hairdresser chair and probably even more

[gleaming mango]

I see

[narrow marsh]

6 chairs for 6 Elders is from the ancient early development cycle of the Valley Priestess, before they decided to make her two different characters instead.

But for the priestess community, it also acts as potential evidence for the idea that the two Valley Elders 'canonically' replaced her after she died or something. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

It has often been theorized to be Resh, Tsadi, Samekh vs. the first three realms (forest prairie isle). In this concept, the Elders changed their minds one by one as the war went on, and all eventually rushed to stop the Ruler just as how we see it in the final Shattering memory. 🕯️

[scenic pebble]

"NOOOOO, OUR MOM DIED, what do we do now?"
"brother, it seems we must take her place"
"but, the realm doesn't suit us, am i supposed to be stuck in the walls of buildings built on mountains all the time enacting ancient rites? That's too boring for me"
"i have an idea, you might like it"
"what is it?"
"what if we turned at least a part of the realm into a giant racing track and the rest got dedicated to unique crafts and sports as one great training ground for those who seek excellence as their way of worshiping The Light?"
"now you're talking, let's get to urban planning of the new places and rebuilding some of the old ones"

[sly acorn]

Now we're talking!

[humble zinc]

Im wondering one thing...
How did Eden got created? Well i know Resh created it BUT HOW?!
Maybe he used darkstone and made it bigger with magic or something? Or used shards of darkstone to form this?
And another wondering
NOW HOW DID SPIRITS OR SOMETHING BUILT STRUCTURES IN EDEN?! The mountain is enormous- (I used shared memory glitch to be yeeted in wasteland and i got shocked how gigantic is that mountain) I wonder all bout Eden

[sly acorn]

The element of Earth

Just take a looks at the cave of profecies.

Having the power of the 4 elements:

Fire to generate vapor: That's why there's a lot of clouds.
Earth to create all constructions: That's why they were able to create just huge things.
Air for the wind: With the place The Ways of Wind to connect all kingdoms.

And WATER...
I'm not really sure.

[humble zinc]

🤔🤔🤔
Good theory 👍
*flies like princess *

[scenic pebble]

this guy does not believe in the Light's boundless power
||jokes aside you could ask these questions about all the other realms, the scale of some of that stuff is enormous, so either magic or some clever darkstone machinery, or just an absurd amount of time and labor||

[humble zinc]

Water is rain
Well rain was used to make rivers to transport light? (saw on TikTok 😔)

[humble zinc]

Well... THAT'S ALOT OF LORE *BREATHES INTO PAPER BAG AGRESSIVELY * I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE START AND IDK *BANG MY HEAD INTO WALL *

[sly acorn]

But they fly... flying boats...

Maybe Water to create water, of course, to use the Fire element to create vapor that turns into all the clouds.

[humble zinc]

I dunno 🤔
Steaming is the thing that makes clouds
That makes sense

[sly acorn]

And Earth for the huge constructions.

HEY!

Everyone here is so STRONG.

In the Cave of Profecies there is this guy that lifted a HUGE BOULDER OF ROCK.

And no, the guy didn't seem bulk up.

This is a fragment of a memorie.

[humble zinc]

NOW WHERE DID YOU SAW THAT?!
PLEASE TELL
LEMME SEE IT BY MYSELF 😡

[sly acorn]

One of the Traveling Spirits in tha Cave of Profecies.

Cant remember which...

[humble zinc]

Anyways 🤔🤔
Too much lore *keeps breathing into paper bag *
I guess I'll seek sky therapist 🤔

[sly acorn]

And the guy lifted that thing with just one arm.

Didn't look exausted.

More like playing with that thing

[humble zinc]

Alr im leaving
*adios meme *

[sly acorn]

Good luck

[sly acorn]

Well... Remember the fact that we, as Child of the Light. We can open GIANT clams with our bare hands... underwater... doing it while floating

Yeah...

[scenic pebble]

sorry for not being clear enough
while Eden is impressive, i'd like to also speak for other structures, basically all of Valley makes you wonder how the hell did they commute and live there and build all the stuff
The Wasteland was full of industrial stuff back in the day that was just straight up massive, and we still see it
and in comes the greatest of all
THE VAULT
where do i start
there are two ways of thinking about Vault
either it's inside the mountain
or it's in a void space
both make it very impressive and i'd move more towards the fact that the internals of the Eden mountain is just a very weird place
so
how the hell did they build all that?
funny you ask
we never see them actually build all of that, we only see some guys working on boats
so as i said before
we have a few options
BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF LIGHT AND FRIENDSHIP ||CHAAAAAAAAAAAANGE MEGABIRD ONE||
BELIEVE IN THE INDUSTRIAL MIGHT OF DARKSTONE MACHINERY WE NEVER SAW
or just believe that the Ancestors did it all with their own bodies, tools and engineering prowess
idk

[humble zinc]

Blud i ain't readin whole Wikipedia you wrote 💀 🙏🙏🙏🙏/ j

[sly acorn]

Both is good, boy. Just dont forget the element of Earth 👍

Because in the trials when we get it, remember that when we try walk to the void...

There's boulders of polished rock that makes our way under our feet.

They control the element of Earth to make things more easy

This explains every single structure.

And they can make the rocks float without a Crystal in those with the element of Earth in their hands.

[scenic pebble]

sooo
you mean to tell me what happens in the Trials is a literal way of the Elements working the way they were intended, right?
that they could just mold rock into whatever they pleased?
not even mold, the stones in the Trial of Earth just pop in outta thin air
idk
but i think the green Light theory is kinda nice, that it is what causes some islands to float
although it could also be argued that it's just that they have some residual darkstone in them that was simply not mined in great enough quantities that it stopped floating
or that all darkstone shards imbued with the green Light cause the thing to float but that would just be....
pretty weird
i ain't sure

[sly acorn]

I'm saying that with the elements of the creation made it even more easier for everyone there to build all things.

We Avatar, we see how the rocks can fly, even we can make the Crystal to float with the power of our mind or something like that.

But this is diferent, we are talking about the existen of an element and how it should work, but nothing in the creation works by law, but by wisdom to decide how that element has to work like.

It's like the Megabird, which i dont thing is a Being per se, but the conglomeration of all Light Beings that makes it a Whole.

Making Light a Element of the creations and Darkness it's the conterpart.

[sly acorn]

I have this other bible too.

[scenic pebble]

it's fascinating how different we think about Sky lore
do you truly think the colored lights are the elements of creation?
that all came from it?

[sly acorn]

More like it just help tha habitants of the land to improve technologically

And then bad capitalism

Of course...

But because of the King it was such a BIG jump for them.

[sly acorn]

And no.

I dont think the colored lights are the elements because there are more than just four.

I meam just the power of the element you use to finish the trials.

Water to walk on water.
Wind to fly.
Earth to put the boulders under your feet and not to fall into the void.
Fire to get rid of the wormholes.

The elements didn't give then cuality to just to put in place everything they have, but those were just to have all the reasources to work with them.

And if you see closely, in the trial of Water, the element of Earth helps to bring up the mounds when we reach a statue.

In the trial of Wind, the element of Fire helps to create the steam that propel us to a long distance.

...

Actually this makes me think...

Of course!

Use the elements with other elements to make the job more easy.

Except tha Earth Element with some things like island that can make them just... float...

[scenic pebble]

ngl
i'm a fan of this
i feel like my mind is going through a loophole trying to integrate this into my wider Sky lore archive
before i leave though i'd like to leave you with something
the "primal four" are just the first forms of enchanted Light that were distinguished
the other colors of the Light are just as much a part of it as they are
you can think of it like elemental spells and other wacky types

[sly acorn]

Now we are talking!

Thanks.

[narrow marsh]

Hello people! I'm about to ramble in an attempt to create an explanation about popular understandings over the cataclysm, for anyone who gets confused by what exactly we're referring to when we say that word.

About the term "Cataclysm"

It is unclear exactly what it means for 'darkness to [have] spread'; especially considering that dark dragons had already been roaming the Wastelands over the course of the war.
[Pictured in 4th AURORA quest and TTE trailers]

1. Some theorists have believed that when the cataclysm began, the diamond violently exploded, and in that instant all Beings within the kingdom spontaneously died, perhaps hit by a wave of energy.

2. Some believe that that wave of energy would instead function similar to radiation poisoning, slowly killing Ancestors living in farther realms, while Eden was clearly, immediately, exploded.

3. Some theorists believe that the Storm is what carried darkness into the far corners of the world, poisoning and corrupting everything.

4. Others believe the Shardfalls (Shattering) are what slowly, eventually, killed all Ancestors and brought darkness to the far corners of the kingdom.

5. Reasonably, we could believe that Shardfalls and Stormpoison could have happened in congruence with each other, and not contradict each other.

6. And technically, all 5 of these could have happened at the same time, within the same period of the Cataclysm.

§§§§§
However, in the end, none of these have any strong evidence, even remotely. Therefore, all of this is effectively educated speculation by the community.

I hope this helps bring us closer to Understanding what we need to about the Cataclysm as both its own event and a potential period in the timeline. 🕯️

If you have any different ideas or wanna let us know what you personally subscribe to, feel free to share!

[lusty jetty]

||are the spirits we help the person who died/already dead?||

[amber creek]

They're all dead. They lived before the cataclysm and they're memories are glimpses from their lives/the world before everything went 💥

[sly acorn]

The Dark Dragons, it's more believable that they has alredy existed, i still want to know how old is the King...

1. If that's true than why we still have creatures?

2. Still the same as the first.

3. Really of clear.

4. That's a good one.

5. Depends... Because we need to have clear this: stormpoison from vapor of dark water which makes it rain... How's that there is dark water in the hidden forest?
   Specifically hidden forest.
   Maybe they just throw away the bad stars they created in the temple so the conglomaration of this ones mad something to the water that when this water vaporize created the poison rain?

Maybe the Colored Deer knows something...

Are we talking about the same storm that there is in Hidden Forest? Because that's what im catching here and there's a lot of water in other places that doesn't do anything to us.
So the rain in Hidden Forest is something.

... Where was i...?

Yeah!

6. I dont think so.

[amber creek]

The rain in hidden forest is just to vibe check moths because those kids had it too easy in the first 2 worlds and they need a dose of reality before wasteland and Eden lol

For a more lore take, the weather in sky is very consistent it's sunny clear skies all the time. So water=good but water falling from the sky=bad?

[sly acorn]

I didn't thought Those places were that... big of a deal, i mean, I'm a Moth...

And Lets say the reason of this is because i studied the patern of those places...?
For example Eden...?
Because i was like 2 hours and a half, maybe 3 just studiyng the patern of that place to make it more simple...?

...

Yeah, i have to much patience and time.

[sly acorn]

...

[amber creek]

Most moths that were casual like me had 1. No outside resources for help to navigate 2. Were blindingly going through the world without studying anything 3. Were scared of anything that could hurt us because that's not what I signed up for so it's very easy to get flustered in wasteland and Eden. I got stuck a lot in forest for my first run through

[sly acorn]

Then I'm just a maniac...

I got too visious for Sky that i just... Run from all the place recolecting information and even in tha concep art book...

What are all of the concepts in the book that are cannon or... Is there something i dont know about it?

And what about the animations? The animated Serie, Movie thing?

[amber creek]

I know concept art had a more fleshed out story but the devs scrapped a lot of it to leave everything up to interpretation. Basically the only thing canon about the lore (from what I've gathered) is that "the story is what you make of it :3" yeah a lot of us clearly aren't satisfied with that because this channel is always coming up with new ideas. Do I disagree with the devs creating such a lore rich world with so many Easter eggs and tidbits but never giving clear answers? Yes. Is there anything we can do about it? No. That's part of the reason I left this server in the first place after being very active. Stop dropping hints without giving answers. I'll still play the game tho but trying to wrap my head around everything is too much so I'll take a more light hearted approach to my theories

[sly acorn]

I still think that the cycle of rebirth is just a Blanck Check for Thatgamecompany to do whatever stories they want.

It's just a Black Check to do A LOT.

Sky itself is the example.

[sly acorn]

YOU'RE STILL TYPING!?

WHATS THE BIBLE EVEN ABOUT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO NUKE ME WITH!?

...

I'll read it whole, after all it's not like i have anymore choices...

[narrow marsh]

Your first question is a great question; people have asked it before but I wish everyone would think about it more often!

To answer this question, we need to look at the water cycle.
()

A fundamental aspect of Sky's worldbuilding relies on something called "the Cycle of Light", or "the Soul Cycle".

Shown to us in concept art, heavily implied by the migration of creatures to Eden and The Light in the Sky, and finally confirmed in the official Sky art book:
The Light Cycle is made up of all creatures, flowing cyclically through the world, Ascending into that ultimate Light we see in the ending, and then being reborn back into the world.
The developers say they wanted to make it feel like water, but with souls.

Let's picture a little fountain.
Water is spouting out the fountain, pools at the bottom, and is spouted back out of the spout at the top.

If you were to grab a HUGE bucket (of darkness) and put it over the area where the water pools up at the bottom, it would begin to collect a lot of water and the pool would go away for a little while. But eventually, the water inside the tubing heading back up towards the spout would shoot water back out anyways. The bucket wouldn't have stopped that remaining water! It probably will get full at some point as well anyways, leaving the water inside it effectively captured, but new water is just spilling over the top of it and into the pool. Your bucket didn't stop anything.

I'm sure this metaphor might not end up being that helpful, but I hope you kinda get it 🕯️

[[[Images provided a message below this 👇👇👇👇👇]]]

[sly acorn]

DAMN BOI!!!

...

Let me take a check...

[narrow marsh]

Here are some images to accompany my ramble

[sly acorn]

So my supositions of this were kind of right?

[sly acorn]

MAN!!!

THAT'S SO COOL!!!

[narrow marsh]

I didn't see this! It's a pretty cool interpretation

[sly acorn]

I LOVE SKY!!!

IM OBSESSED!!!

And boy.

How much i love this world represent the times of the day.

Literally we can say:
"¡And all in just one day of work!"