lore-discussion-spoilers

[upbeat notch]

Oh ya we are 100% light there (Source: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1)

[celest birch]

On the other hand, can Crabs also be petrified?

[upbeat notch]

I-is it...okay?

[boreal hare]

hmm, well, i wouldnt say theyre 100% light then either. Theyre ascended and they sure have a lot more light, but 100% light means no phsyical form, either, more like 99.99999% light, also, does petrified refer to corrupted? Then, yes, and if pretrified refers to the statue state we see with the humanoids in eden, then also yes, as seen in the shattering memories

[celest birch]

Absolutely not, since when I approached this one, it started being covered in those darkness flakes like Eden statues.

[upbeat notch]

I dont mean light in the actual real life sense lol or else our sky kids or any light creature would be partially nothing

[boreal hare]

good point, by that logic, yes, they would be 100% light, i should stop being so nitpicky lol loght

[celest birch]

Was thinking the latter with those particular unmoving crab; petrified as in being turned to stone/husk/statue.

[boreal hare]

then, if we consider the creatures inside of the shattering memories as petrified then yes, they can be. Also, going by the fact that mantas can be petrified as seen in the aurora concert, its likely that all light creatures can be too.

[upbeat notch]

Crabs are also neutral if I think about it

[celest birch]

Not actually inside the Leviathan´s belly (final Abyss quest)?

[upbeat notch]

I never played season of abyss what happends there? ^^"

[boreal hare]

OH i forgot about that, yea theres also a petrified manta there so that would also count. (Also, considering the fact that crabs can be corrupted but cant be turned light as with ancestors, means that they are light and not neutral, im pretty sure its also confirmed somewhere else? A shattering memory, i think, unless neutral means passive, then, yea)

[celest birch]

As long as they don´t have darkness flakes on themselves, they indeed are neutral. :)

[boreal hare]

lil guys, very silly, 10/10 would pet

[celest birch]

Dailies refer to them as "Dark Creature Crabs", so ... yeah. As well as when a server merge happens where Crabs suddenly move positions, you can at times see a dark imprint of where they used to be before.

[celest birch]

You think these are little? Try this one. 🤭 🤭 <3

[boreal hare]

ya, dark creature crabs refers to the ones with the flakes,

[boreal hare]

naming it jeremy and kidnapping it

[celest birch]

The daily does also count flipping ones without darkness flakes though, to my knowledge.

Hehe ... maybe you can imagine some lore behind this insanely cute tiny crab? 🤭 🤭

[upbeat notch]

I wish we could have pets in our nest

[celest birch]

Given how you can find this little fella in Enchantment Shop in Aviary, I bet you already know what happened.

[boreal hare]

hmm, that does make me think. Perhaps its some sort of coding issue? I swear i saw somewhere that its been confirmed theres a diff between flaked and nonflaked crabs, well, mostly the fact that the ones with flakes attack and those without dont, but i actually dont remember if they give light like other light creatures, hm, but if they all are darkness they would all attack, flakes or not

[upbeat notch]

Back to my Original question, what happend in Season of Abyss?

[celest birch]

At the surface, it´s pretty much a group of spirits scouring Treasure Reef for, well, treasure and pretty much having a competition on who can recover the most treasure. However, when it goes out of hand ... really bad things ensured.

[boreal hare]

~~crab got fed the dreaded size potions ~~

[upbeat notch]

Hold on

[celest birch]

And yes, Treasure Reef is another lore-rich area.

[boreal hare]

you know, imaginator, i really reccomend (recommend? Reccommend??) you play through season of abyss, as spectra said, its lore-rich, but also, the season is genuinely interesting, atleast for me, also kept me very interested and on my toes

[upbeat notch]

Wait was season of abyss this?

[celest birch]

I´m kind of impressed that given the random sizes of permanent size potions, the Enchanter didn´t accidentally caused the crab to become monstrously big.

[boreal hare]

ya know, maybe thats what happened to that one crab in last years DoM.....

[upbeat notch]

I got 3 times growth in a row...I wanted to be a chibi

[celest birch]

Props to that one for actually not destroying the whole of the Ark/Aviary and just burrowing all the way to the Cackling Crab. Which does remind me, where in lore does Cackling Crab even take place in?

[boreal hare]

hmm, honestly? Not sure. We know its connected to the office, though. Also, considering the fact that its a very tgc-npc heavy event could means that its not canon but a celebration directly connected to the office

[celest birch]

Given that the Office is supposed to be in real world, that´s kind of scary.

[upbeat notch]

Do we know where the office is on the map?

[boreal hare]

oh yea, that, oof, big crab,

[boreal hare]

well, its connected to vault of knowledge, which actually makes sense also considering that all collab events are connected to it, too. Probably supports the theory that VoK is a really messed up tower with rifts in the universe just appearing

[celest birch]

Even though that is VoK we´re talking about as well and VoK is a great mind-twister.

[upbeat notch]

Properly the reason why it was first called The Forbidden Vault

[boreal hare]

ooh, never heard of that, but it sounds cool as eden, and yea, i wouldnt be surprised if that was the reason

[celest birch]

Or maybe it´s having some real astronomical yikes happening as well like no joke, gravitational lensing for example.

[boreal hare]

yea, VoK is messed up, but i suppose thats part of the appeal. Magical tower in the middle of the wasteland leading to actual hell (or, now hell, but, not gonna get nitpicky again!)

[celest birch]

I bet the ruined part we end up at after meeting the Elder is literally so close to the mountain summit, it´s being affected by Diamond of Eden´s power too in some way.

I mean, if we look at Mountain of Eden´s tip, we can actually see the carved path at the summit we actually take when going through Wind and Rocks area, which is the "bottom" of Eden.

[boreal hare]

yea, hmm, since you mentioned gravitational lensing, makes me wonder, could it be the eden diamond doing that? Light creatures are considered stars, or, celestial bodies, correct? And sure, the diamond itself isnt a celestial body, but it sure as heck has consumed a lot of em. Which, actually, i think that there would be a significant gravitational pull from how much mass that crystal sucked up, dear aurora

[celest birch]

Can definitely be; maybe the Diamond isn´t a true black hole, but given its power, it can absolutely happen, seeing how it´s literally shattering all over and yet being kept together.

[boreal hare]

cant wait for season of eden where the questline is just the crystal imploding into a black hole and consuming everything in its path /j

[celest birch]

Thus we can definitely imagine that where that carved path starts, there´s the exit from the ruined part of Vault´s tower after meeting the Vault Elder.

No comment. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

I find the Vault Dwellers the Ancestors in the Vault strange

[celest birch]

If only, since I suspect that this is not happening due to Shard Eruptions in the 1st place. 🤭

[boreal hare]

same, honestly, this might sound kinda gruesome but didnt they all have the same fate of the bugs in city of tears (hollow knight reference lol)? You know, isolating themselves to escape chaos, and then just kinda starving to death and going insane?

[upbeat notch]

You mean the Vault Dwellers? (Yes I wanna call them that now)

[boreal hare]

yep, (that does sound pretty accurate lol)

[upbeat notch]

I find them weird in the sense that its supposed to be a vault with the knowledge of the Kingdom right? So they should be Historians right? But they arent Historians, they are more part of a religion as it seems

[celest birch]

Well, they do look like priests, who used to be historians back in Dark Ages. Sorta.

[boreal hare]

well, we know that the ancestors, before doing the whole industrialization and war thing, worshipped aurora and the light in some way. It would make sense that some vault dwellers would still worship her as they had 'direct' contact to her via the aurora mural in vault (i hope ykwim lol), but also, their job was to preserve history and memories, so i think its more like, they are scientists and historians, but they just look like that, for some reason. Honestly, i feel bad for them. All of their memories seem strangely melancholic. We know they died and most likely why, but we just see them.. chilling, and being calm about everything, no panic, no hiding or worry (that is, excluding season of rememberance but im talking abt main vault rn), just, calm praying, meditation, and just good vibes.

my apologies for yapping :,) i got a bit sidetracked

[upbeat notch]

Im sure they werent that calm concidering the war that was going on right infront of the Vault, in the golden wasteland

[boreal hare]

well yea, but the memories show like, a calm before the storm. We know that something terrible is gonna happen, but theyre just doing whatever,

[celest birch]

Don´t forget that Praying Scholar one that we literally see lighting up candles in front of the graves behind the Telekinesis 4-player door.

[boreal hare]

yea, considering the amount of graves, they were definetly a bit too calm. But maybe they knew it was their fate and knew they couldnt stop it. I guess that would be expected from people like them. They know their doom is inevitable, and honestly, i forgot what we were originally talking about

[upbeat notch]

Me too but maby they were so calm because they knew what was coming after

[boreal hare]

ya, they couldnt do much else honestly, good for them on not spending their last moments in blind panic and just doing whatever they could in those moments

[celest birch]

Which does remind me, what´s the thing with Meditating one needing to be summoned out from his grave by praying at it? 🤔 Same with Memory Whisperer needing to be called via adult Manta Call?

On the other hand, we now know whose is the bottom-most line of the Eden Door; it´s Isle´s. :D

[boreal hare]

i think it could be a deep spiritual connection to those things. An adult manta call would wake up the (dead) baby memory manta, and since memory whisperer is well, a memory manta whisperer, theyre connected in that way, most likely, and for the praying, hm, good question actually,

perhaps he was just a respected person among the others and got a special grave?

anyways, it was really fun talking with you guys but i gotta go :,) have a great day/night you guys!! have fun loreing!!

[celest birch]

Good night! 🤭

[celest birch]

... Like Oreo, I wonder ...?

[royal python]

hm… eden door is kinda interesting. the door works the same way a multi-person door would, though it is between five. each part of the door gets charged by awakening an elder (if that’s the correct wording for it). i find this kind of interesting. on top of that, iirc, you need six people to open the eden door. you also need to have helped 20 spirits to actually go through the spirit gate. i just find it interesting that none of those requirements have anything to do with WL, which is what eden is all about. but what im wondering now as well is if one elder “falls asleep” or whatever, does that mean now that the eden door is closed to everybody and everything?

[spark hawk]

Guys, what if Sky did another collab with a music artist? I like thinking about what the seasons would be about depending on the specific artist

It's just a fun thought

[spark hawk]

Also, I'm guessing that yeah, if one of the elders were to 'go back to sleep' it would probably close the Eden gate until they are re-awakened once more. It would put a temporary halt on the sky kids that ascend and on the reincarnation process

[celest birch]

Actually, nowadays, one person can open the Eden Door, as crystals stay charged (probably because Elders themselves are awakened and thus they keep the crystals constantly charged as well as Eden Realm Portal as well) and the 20-requirement is not a spirit requirement; it's a winged light requirement. ;D

[celest birch]

Or, nowadays, you'd need other people to keep the Eden Door crystals charged (as Elders wouldn't due to being asleep) which is not an easy task at all ... and the only access to it would be through VoK itself.

[azure wagon]

Today I just went to Aurora concert, during Golden Wasteland chapter, seems like a big battle has happened. I heard there's two theory / explaination for this part,

1. fight between creatures of light and ancestors
2. different gang of ancestors having fight with each other, or civil war.
   The creatures of light has made into one of the weapon that attack another gang of ancestors (since some ancestors got hurt by shears so could possibly be civil war )

I was wondering which theory is the right one

[waxen ermine]

In this song, there are no hints of people riding the mantas or saddles (wait. Did the riders use saddles in the valley song? Cant check right now)

I also now realized the mantas couldn’t possibly be “caught up in the middle of it as innocents”, because they can way fly way higher than that to avoid it, rather than towards the fight

They were probably fighting like the concept art said

[celest birch]

I´d say both, with light-supporting ones being supported by the light creatures.

[azure wagon]

@waxen ermine @celest birch ooh, yeah these could be true

[versed mirage]

I think the bells in Aviary are some copper alloy of some kind, or a sky-version of a material that oxidizes

[cobalt palm]

Have you noticed that these candles in forest are shaped like the hammer that the Elder of the Forest uses?

[upbeat notch]

Omg have to look at candel formations now to find out lore lol

[cobalt palm]

Especially the ones in the prairie temple 🙂

[upbeat notch]

what lol

[cobalt palm]

The smile candles in the prairie temple

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/575818672476782634/608514318346092547/image0.jpg?ex=664b77df&is=664a265f&hm=e2b74ec4605a5b6ced9be7f18a56be7628d3985170a69313020abea89e302f6e&
#screenshots-and-videos message

[slow chasm]

Or the heart at the chat bench of prophecy cave wind path exit

[celest birch]

And there is a heart-shaped candle cluster right where you enter Cave of Prophecies through the Wind Tunnel (beside the chat bench) as well as what looks like an eye-shaped candle cluster in one of Butterfly Field's caves.

[stoic narwhal]

Is golden wastelands water full of pollution? Is that why it hurts us?

[frosty rampart]

Yes

[ebon wind]

Not to forget the smiley face at the back of the prairie temple

[upbeat notch]

So why does the Journey cape have different symbols then those found in journey? Do we got any Lore about that? (Source for symbols: https://journey.fandom.com/wiki/Symbols)

[cold sparrow]

This channel is for the lore of Sky. If you'd like to discuss Journey, you will need to head to #other-tgc-games , or find the Journey server linked in the pins of #other-tgc-games

For the Journey cape in Sky... it is merely a design element that is supposed to work with the 3 tier chevrons of the capes. It needs to have symbols that can recognizably build up in 3 layers

[upbeat notch]

Oh no I didnt wanna discuss Journey, but rather just wannet to ask if the lore of sky has anything special to say about the cape

[cold sparrow]

Journey is not canon to sky, so... no.
It's just a design element to make the cape work within the cape system

[upbeat notch]

...Do we know its not canon tho? lol

[cold sparrow]

There is nothing that connects the world of the two games. (Aside from the cosmetics... In which case, you'd consider Portal to also be canon to Sky)

[upbeat notch]

I mean they copied other elements from Journey to sky, for example the visuals of calling

Or the general character design of the Wayfarer and Sky kids

The whole calling system of "when you call near a creature they come to you and help you fly"

[cold sparrow]

Yeah, Sky is a spiritual successor. If it was meant to be a direct sequel in any way, there would be more explicit hints in the world.

The point being
No, there is no lore to it, except for what you think up

[upbeat notch]

Ill find more hints

Also sliding on sand is the same animation in both games

[cold sparrow]

That's a gameplay feature, not a lore element

Yes, Sky has been conceptualized as a sort of mobile multiplayer version of Sky
But Journey is a full and complete game in itself

[upbeat notch]

Sky isnt tho

[upbeat notch]

Okay so Journey being completed means that there is no prequel or sequel to it?

[cold sparrow]

Unless the devs announce otherwise, correct

[upbeat notch]

How about this: It plays in the world of sky but not in the Kingdom of Sky? Thats a way for both of us to be happy right?

Then it would be its own game but just play in a different part of the same world

[cold sparrow]

Even then, we have 0 lore related to Journey in Sky.
In Journey, the resource is animated cloth. Sky revolves around light and darkness, and the resource is light, present in any living being.

You can imagine the games to be connected, but there is no connection presented in the lore.

[upbeat notch]

0 evidence doesnt mean there is nothing

[cold sparrow]

...you were asking if there is lore on the differences on the cape. there is not

0 evidence explicitly means there is no lore, because lore needs tangible information - in-game or outside directly from devs

[upbeat notch]

Originaly yes, but you claimed Journey was not part of sky so now we talk about that

[cold sparrow]

same difference
there is no tangible information on journey being in the same universe

everything else is not lore, it's theories

[upbeat notch]

In 1824 the first dinosaur fossil was discovert. Does that mean dinosaur bones didnt exist before 1824? No it just means they werent discovert yet, just like the evidence that Im looking for

[upbeat notch]

I dont even wanna convince you that it plays in the same Kingdom of sky, I know that the two games playing in the same Kingdom is impossible I just wanna convince you that it plays in the same world

[cold sparrow]

look for the evidence then

[frosty rampart]

Good theory

These poems from shattering tho 👌
The wounds of the past are never far from sight.

The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement?

Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard.

The world of the present can be healed, but our past cannot be undone. Jagged remnants lie in our wake, and even for the mountain it is too much to hold.

[upbeat notch]

Where you got these poems from?

[frosty rampart]

They were once posted on officiall sky's discord but I got this one from sky's fandom page about the lore

This was the introduction poem to be exact

[upbeat notch]

I assume it was said by an Ancestor concidering the last part atleast

[frosty rampart]

Each shattering moment had it's poem when it came out

[upbeat notch]

Oh so they are from the King?

[frosty rampart]

I love the sentence "the world of the present can be healed,but our past cannot be undone"

[upbeat notch]

Seems like the King regrets what the people did in the past

[frosty rampart]

We don't know exactly.
It's like the murals

[upbeat notch]

Wasnt it that the Memories were from the King? Or did I just miss something again lol

[frosty rampart]

This was the introduction poem Is there any introduction memory?

[upbeat notch]

Idk we uh were talking about season of shattering right?

[frosty rampart]

There's 6 memories in total right?

[upbeat notch]

Ya (source:https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Shattering)

[frosty rampart]

Yeah the introduction poem was without any memory

[upbeat notch]

Ah

[frosty rampart]

The last one is named elders memory

Bare at the precipice
Unseen fractures crumble in the chasm
The stars under fathomless weight
Reaching to light and to dark
Carrying memory of all that was held
In the final moment of shattering

[upbeat notch]

So either this or this...hm

[frosty rampart]

It's the elders one(obviously)

Let me just give you the names of them in short
Jelly
Crab
Manta
Dark dragon
Whale
Elders

[upbeat notch]

oh...guess the names are acctualy pretty descriptive

[frosty rampart]

Only the crab is also / darkness
Because of the dark plants

[upbeat notch]

I honestly dont care enough about the theory to look very far but the games look simular so I guess thats evidence

[waxen ermine]

When it says it was too much for the mountain to hold, it probably refers to the moment of shattering where the diamond struggled to hold alll that light (or creatures or memories)

[leaden onyx]

Hello chat! So yesterday I visited the last two shattering memories as I wasn’t active for the actual season, can I get some background on the story of shattering and the lore behind the last memory with the elders being thrown about

[pine sonnet]

Viva la vida intensifies

[upbeat notch]

Omg yes lol

[pine sonnet]

In [honk]ing Daycore for extra feels

[spiral vault]

I don't think so, they could be hunting furs or something

[spiral vault]

Here: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/shards-of-the-past-arrive-in-season-of-shattering

[dire night]

Yeah cause every sky creature has fur🤣

But on a serious note i think they could have hunted the animals for their skin and their meat. Other than the mantas, fish and crabs there isn't really a whole lot to eat 🙂

Maybe plants but the only type of fruit we saw in game that i know of is a lemon. Maybe the sky people had a purely lemon based diet🤣🤣(obviously joking)

[waxen ermine]

According to the poem, something was vulnerable, cracking from the burden of carrying so many things
Likely the diamond itself, maybe it had too much light, maybe it had sucked in so many creatures it was beginning to crack
The elders realized the disastrous consequences and tried to stop it from exploding
And then it exploded and probably killed them

The king’s head (see the corrupted king’s head) is also up there, upside down for some reason

[dire night]

Here is a list of all known sky creatures:

Butterflies
Birds
Elder birds

Pigmy Mantas
Monowing Mantas
Quadwing Mantas
Elder mantas

Mini jellyfish
Star Jellyfish
Royal Jellyfish

Light Turtle
Light manatees
Light Coral
Light starfish
Sunfish
Goldfish
Anglefish
Knifefish

Dark Dragon
Dark worm
Elder Dark Dragon
White crabs
Grey crabs
Red crabs
Bell crabs (heck yea!!)

I don't count these but im put them here anyway.

Monowing Cosmic Mantas
Elder Cosmic Mantas

Plants:
Light grass
Glowing Flowers
Light Bloom
Cloud Trees
Light Trees
Light Kelp

Dark Bloom
Dark Lilypad.

Just fyi i did not include any creatures and plants that is any sort of event or collaboration. Those are not relevant to Sky's lore.

[upbeat notch]

Since the Shield items are so different in prices, does that mean that Prairie is for example the weakest of them and Forest the strongest?

Also what does that imply in the lore that the person who is the most industrialized has the most expensive defense against darkness

Also Also why would we find shields against darkness not for example on the Training grounds for a War (Valley) or on the Battelfield of that exact war (Wasteland)

[celest birch]

It ... kind of is not water anymore if you ask me. More like a tar-like goop. ^^;

[celest birch]

I´ve heard these are still incoming, we just don´t know when.

[celest birch]

Bellcrabs?

[tough sky]

Where can we see the hexwing manta?

[upbeat notch]

From Halloween?

[celest birch]

Cackling Crab has these?

[upbeat notch]

ya

But Johnathan wasnt listing event creatures so thats why they arent there

[cold sparrow]

Hex in this context means six (hex wing = six wings), not hexing someone
I don't recall there being any mantas in the Halloween event

[upbeat notch]

Oh okay

[dire night]

Yeah nvm. I confused the sanctuary mantas for hexwing but it seems they are just bigger Quadwing

[dire night]

It was shown in a trailer for two embers how some crabs live in bells like Hermit crabs. I can't find it at the moment but i swear to god its real

[celest birch]

You know that actually all crabs are sort of like Hermit crabs, given how they can "turn" into a rock and, once emerging, you can see their eyes go into the "rock"´s eye sockets? ;D

[dire night]

I think i might be going crazy. I cant find it. Im gonna remove it for now

[dire night]

I think that part is just part of their exo skeleton. They don't turn into a rock they just bury the underside of their body underground.

[upbeat notch]

Were you thinking of this scene?

[dire night]

No i explicitly remember there being a bunch of bells ( like those in the praire village) and i think 2 or 3 crabs went under it and started carrying it on their back. I think i had the most vivid dream or a hallucination😭🤣

I even remember seeing a meme about how crabs looks in the trailer verses how crabs look in the game and the bells were specifically pointed out😭

[upbeat notch]

I find it interesting how the crabs acctualy dont look the exact same but intest all have differnt head "growths" (source is https://youtu.be/KxHFy9503N4?si=W4_0rmr_h3-9utwn)

[dire night]

I think its because they want to make the animation more detailed and good looking. Hopefully we'll get crabs like these in game

[upbeat notch]

OMG I REALIZED SOMETHING

THE SKY LAUNCH TRAILERS DONT LOOK LIKE THE GAME BECAUSE ITS ACCTUALY MATERIAL FROM TWO EMBERS

[dire night]

Yeah same animation style 🙂

[upbeat notch]

Also here are your Crabs with Bells (Source: https://youtu.be/GO1il8fOPCE?si=0lvrpJ2CGsbz7DUH)

[dire night]

I think thats it 😮 where did you get that??? Broo thanks for proving im not crazy 😭

[celest birch]

Good Lord, these look like boogie-crabs!

[waxen ermine]

Holy crud the bell crabs are horrifying!

Wait, is that what the one dev meant by what the crabs are?
Like, they're rocks? Or hermit crabs?

[celest birch]

They do make me think that more they´re darkened, more eyes they get.

[upbeat notch]

Oh thats scary...Imagine we get an eden update and there are just huge spider-crabs

[celest birch]

I mean, King Krill has a whole loads of them as well.

[upbeat notch]

King krill?!

[celest birch]

The Leviathan of Abyss quests.

[upbeat notch]

Oh right...but why would the crabs in the forst be THAT corrupted

[celest birch]

It´s called that because it looks vaguely Krill-like and we do see it with a bunch of plain Krill.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2411186208111122425/3E4725A7879937703430E01BC5986329B09E2C90/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[upbeat notch]

Ok

[celest birch]

As for why would Crabs be that corrupted in the forest, it would definitely confirm that the rain of it is actually pollution.

[upbeat notch]

But at this time? The corruption didnt happend yet right?

[frosty rampart]

Cool how they used the bells as a shell

[dire night]

Yeah i have a theory that because the forests trees were cut down in order to build darkstones there wasn't enough to keep the pollution out of the clouds causing the toxic rain.

[celest birch]

Or rather trees were used as fuel for the machine that was manifacturing light-filled darkstone.

If you ask me, that is. Got your answer here, @upbeat notch

[dire night]

I also would like to know what role the rain trees would play in creating the darkstones. We see them using butterflies and the trees to create the darkstones. It seems either they used the material itself or the trees have a inner light . Its up for speculation.

[celest birch]

Well, in that, we actually have to look at Light Bloom that we see grow on those trees.

Which kind of look like tree mushrooms. 🤭 🤭 Even if we can also see them grow on stone as well ala Treasure Reef.

[dire night]

Maybe lightblooms are like a growth out of the inner light of the trees. That is if Rain trees actually has an inner light...

[celest birch]

Rain trees?

[dire night]

Ok so i really like most of the plantlife in Sky. All the creatures and plants are light based. Even the grass and flowers are light based as we see them glow brighter when we walk over them.

[upbeat notch]

And we can also see the Ancestors use light pieces from flowers in the Launch trailer

[dire night]

Yeah cause their trees in the rainforest 😅

[dire night]

Yeah

[celest birch]

Honestly, those trees kind of remind me of continental trees moreso than rainforest ones. 🤔

[celest birch]

Except crabs and Krill, but what? 🤭

[upbeat notch]

And dark flowers

[dire night]

Yeah i wonder why the dark creatures aren't light based 😅 (being a bit sarcastic)

[dire night]

Im not calling them rainforest trees, im just saying they're trees in a forest that rains 😅. I could just as much call them Cloud trees, its just that they both sound cooler than saying just tree 🙂

[upbeat notch]

Rainy forest trees. Anyway do we know why it rains so much in there? In the Two embers trailer it didnt rain alot so we can assume its the ancestors fault that its toxic rain and that it CONSTANDLY rains

[dire night]

I assume its common to rain there. Gd already explained its probably toxic cause of overpollution.

[upbeat notch]

Ima ask again to be sure: Is there a differents in defends when it comes to these shield items

[dire night]

Nope their all the same.

[upbeat notch]

nice also we should talk about what happend in the Launch trailer cause its sorta new Lore info I guess?

[dire night]

Not really. We already saw all that stuff in the newer trailers. Its just the graphics are a bit better😎

[upbeat notch]

Eh true Ill still include this close up of the face of the Krillish light creature tho (source: https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU?si=Fn_q9h7RUBYQJ_sN)

Just so that we have that in the Lore record

[dire night]

Yeah its probably a subspecies of manta. We already have 3 types in game so a 4th wouldn't seem too out of place.

[frosty rampart]

You've also said there are white crabs is that a mistake or?

[dire night]

Huh?

[frosty rampart]

In the creatures list you also added white crabs and grey crabs and red crabs

[dire night]

Yeah 🙂 The white crabs can be found in sanctuary island, grey crabs in forest and wasteland, while red crabs only come with shards.

[frosty rampart]

Ummm grey crabs are grey crabs

[dire night]

Yeah? Grey crabs are indeed grey

[frosty rampart]

Oh so there is white crabs

I always assumed it was the filter of the realm that changed the appearance

[dire night]

You looked it up didn't you? 😏

[frosty rampart]

Well I looked it up earlier and there isn't much info
So I looked again

[dire night]

No harm i didn't know it either untill i was looking for the bellcrabs earlier 😄

[frosty rampart]

Cool cool thanks

[upbeat notch]

Btw can we really say that the Bellcrabs are still crabs? I mean they do look very differnt? More like spiders which fused with a bell then a crab living in it

I mean their eyes are outside the Bell!

[frosty rampart]

Oh yes we can

[dire night]

Yeah. I mean crabs in game look more like spiders than actual crabs but its just their design.

I also like to think those are just corruption and not their eyes. A cooler theory is that those are a new species... Dark Barnacles :>

[upbeat notch]

Lol I hope we get alot of new species in Two embers, like that Kirllish Manta

[waxen ermine]

Sorry for the change in subject, noticed the vault throne room while flying in orbit

[frosty rampart]

I'm wondering if those are eyes but I guess

[dire night]

Yeah so i think that' is the original elder graveyard while the one in vault is a illusion.

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, I can agree

[upbeat notch]

To be honest, we can see the building that is the vault when we are in the golden wasteland so...we can assume everything that is like space in the vault is just an Illusion

[dire night]

Yeah cause the purpose of the vault is to tell us about the history of sky. So it woyld be fitting for the vault to show a projection of one of the most important places.. the place where the elders died

[upbeat notch]

Plus Vault Dwellers properly cant fly so it wouldnt make sense if the Vault was all open and you cant go anywhere if you cant fly

[frosty rampart]

I think they are going to be a new type of crab a( hermit crab of sorts)

[dire night]

Yeah thats what im saying. Also from where can we see the vault in wasteland?

[upbeat notch]

If we stand infront of the Building where the entrance to vault is...tho I cant remember very well how it was structured, could be that it was maby build into the Mountain so then it would make sense that the vault is so big cause they just hollowed out the Mountain for this

[dire night]

Can you maybe provide a picture of it cause i don't think that is correct?

[upbeat notch]

Ima brb tho Im acctualy unsure myself

[frosty rampart]

I mean even the old vault door was underground like right? In light awaits

[upbeat notch]

Idk Ima check

[frosty rampart]

Ima go compare crab shade in sanctuary lol

[dire night]

If your talking about this thing, i think its actually a statue.

[dire night]

Have fun 👍

[cold sparrow]

the vault is definitely built into the mountain

[upbeat notch]

think so too but Ima check

[dire night]

Yeah so it would be impossible to see it from the outside, with an exception to the top poking out at the gate of eden

Heres a map of sky if anyone was wondering

[upbeat notch]

There is a GIANT WALL

and I call it Wall Maria (hope somebody got the reference lol)

[dire night]

I think thats the bottem of the mountain 😮

[upbeat notch]

but thats a wall

With layers I think-

[dire night]

Yeah cause i think tgc just didn't intend players to see it so they didn'tmake it look pretty, but im sure its the bottom of the mountain.

[upbeat notch]

True so the Vault is built into the mountain confirmed

[dire night]

Yeah, it also shows on the map i sent

[upbeat notch]

The Castle that was supposed to be on the Mountain is the Kings right?

[dire night]

Also it shows here in this other map here

[dire night]

Yeah

[upbeat notch]

So we have a Mountain with all the Knowledge of the Kingdom inside and the Rule living ontop of that Mountain...Is that why there was so much defense around the Entrance? Cause it was something very important to the Royalty?

Id Imagine that Eden would also be something the common folks of the Kingdom didnt get to see. Something only for the eyes of Important people

[languid kestrel]

Me did!

[upbeat notch]

Nice!

[languid kestrel]

*(thinks in chaos of another reality)*Also while I'm here. Do you guys suppose-and just hear me out for a min- that the elders came across The Doctor and his TARDIS and decided "oooo! I bet we can do bigger on the inside, too!" And that's how Vault came to be?.....🤔

[lone pine]

AOT

[spiral vault]

Get ready.

[spiral vault]

The history of Shattering is the history of the Eden Diamond, a massive diamond constructed out of darkstone (a material used to power things in the sky world, such as doors) and located in the Point of No Return area in Eden. It can be clearly seen spewing out darkness, but it was not like this.

Originally, a figure that was the Eden Elder constructed this massive diamond to enhance the Sky world. The citizens of the mountain supported this at first. This can be seen in a mural, in the first Eden area.

However, the Eden Diamond slowly cracked and crumbled. In an event known as the Shattering, this diamond collapsed, destroying Eden as well as any creatures that was in its path- mantas, crabs, whales, possibly even krills.

Right before this, the Elders of the other realms tried to stop the Eden Diamond from shattering, but they failed, causing the Elders to disappear. At the very top of the memory, you can see a star like object falling into the Eden Diamond, which is probably the Eden Elder.

The falling shards are simply fragments of the Eden Diamond being blown off time and time again.

Here's some more information: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[upbeat notch]

[spiral vault]

Non-corrupted crabs are probably light based, since they ascend once we free them in the shattering memories

[frosty rampart]

I think if the krills weren't corrupted maybe they wouldn't attack us too just like crabs

[molten dust]

well. Days of nature.

[lucid bridge]

It looks like the eel from the Days of Bloom has/will become erupted, if it is that spiky worm thing in the trailer.

[molten dust]

i actually saw that shard event in live
weird bug
fun tho
next time you see a shard event in daylight prarie, check out prarie peaks

[lucid bridge]

It looks like the next shard event in the Prairie will be tomorrow! (unless tomorrow is a no-shard day). I’ll keep an eye open. Thanks for the tip!

[waxen ermine]

I actually went to prairie peaks last Thursday, for a shard event, it was cool (photos included). No monsters though, just underwater diving to pull darkness plants. So it’s not new

But that new enemy is so scary!!
It reminds me of what’s it called.. garden eels??

Yeah, garden eels

It’s so sad that these scary monsters appear in prairie peaks where it’s supposed to be peaceful

[versed mirage]

I do like that they show more corrupted things that actually are a threat… I hope they make more

[frosty rampart]

Oh yes days of nature news

[frosty rampart]

This worm is a new dark creature^^ if the creatures are indeed corrupted they don't change appearance

[upbeat notch]

Worm is more dangerous then a Krill 💀

[frosty rampart]

Nom nom

[upbeat notch]

yea lol

Ima reupload the Video as spoiler hold on

(Source: https://youtu.be/howdCE7uy4k?si=nCmOLv3QxniykyOT)

[potent basalt]

Just an idea, lore this is how krill are born , they fall from shards and hatch in water , they feed on skykids till they’re strong enough to Molt , and grow into the flying krill we know. Art of days of nature krill larva 🐛

[frosty rampart]

So it turns out
Same white crab in cave is grey crab in sunlight
It's just the light

So grey crabs are indeed grey crabs😏

[lucid bridge]

I may be misunderstanding your comment, but I think creatures do change appearance when they’re corrupted. I think that whales/elder mantas become krill when corrupted, The Days of Nature event may change this theory, who knows.

[cold sparrow]

crabs don't change much at the very least

[frosty rampart]

There are dark and light creatures they don't change sides , it's because of their behavior and style , it doesn't make sense for them to have different mechanics after the corruption phase . I thought about this theory too once but it turns out they're so different from each other that it isn't very likely

Krills were krills but neutral just like crabs probably, you can see them having the corrupt effect on them

For example; this one uncorrupted neutral crab in sanctuary vs the corrupted one

Also you could see the krills back in the animated series timeline in wasteland kind of /eden area and that happens before all of the corruption so that basically means krills were krills all along

[upbeat notch]

Maby they worked like sort of Guardians...(like in JOURNEY) to protect the important people of the Vault and the royalty

[dire night]

They experimented with mantas in the Reef. The results of these were the krills, they were either made by accident or on purpose. We do know that after they were created they were used in the civil war between the light and darkstone side.

This is theoretical, but i think the darkstone side won the war but the krill having no other light to take took the darkstones side's light too, essentially killing them off aswell.

[dire night]

The krills are most certainly not natural. They are supposed to be a representstion of how creatures get damaged in pursuit of more power.

Yeah ofcourse, but you have to remember that the krills didn't naturally appear in the world but were artificialy created. They are created when mantas are exposed to darkness.

[upbeat notch]

Ya I know sorry my brain turned off for a sec. Sooooo what I wanted to say was that the Krills maby would have been used as sort of guards for Important people of Vault and royalty...I have no clue where they come from

Vault is the only way to the castel of the King so that one entrance has to be protected right? Even if they use a double edged sword like the Krills properly were

[dire night]

I dont think they were guards but i do think they were ised in warfare. I think its pretty much confirmed in game that the dark side used them to their advantage. I doubt the royals would approve of them as guards. Heck i don't even think people knew they existed until the war actually started.

[upbeat notch]

Ya they were defenitly used in some sort of conflict...whether it was to protect a certein group of people or in war is up to debate but they were definitely used by the people of Darkness/everyone who was on the Kings side

[celest birch]

Leviathan, yeah; it looks like a baby version of it.

[dire night]

I doubt krill existed beforehand. All the darkness is always created either by distroying the environment or pollution. It wouldn't make sense for krill to have existed if there wasn't any pollution or corruption.

So we wouldve probably had evidence if they existed beforehand. Unfortunately we don't. All we get of their origins are from the Treasure Reef. The murals show how the krills were created there.

Also i dont think the crystals are dark in their normal state. If that were true all the cave jellies would have been corrupted.

[manic radish]

A thought popped into my head, and I can't stop wondering- do skids actually need to eat anything, and are they even able to eat stuff if they don't need to?

[cold sparrow]

There are several props that have an interaction that implies eating/drinking
Whether the Skykids actually eat the thing with their mouth or that's just another way of absorbing some light is up to your interpretation
Seems like the masks would make eating hard either way

[azure wagon]

what skid's food/drink is just lights, and candles are just a way to saving lights into small pieces

[cold sparrow]

Beyond that, we can't say for sure if the skykids need to eat. There are no direct hints or game mechanics that support that. The only resource we have is the light of our wings

[waxen ermine]

I don't think they need to eat, they can if they want for fun
Only some foods actually give light (grandma's buns and the cafe bun) while others don't, like those weird colorful balls and biscuits from chat tables, they don't heal you but do get eaten (they disappear with little sound effects)
Or the tea cups, there is a clear sign they're being drunk from, the cup gets more and more empty, and when empty the kid stops drinking

[manic radish]

The grandma and cafe foods confuse me a bit too, since the grandma-food gets burnt with the candle while the cafe buns have a completely different animation

[stiff moat]

Hi im trying to make a comic about sky and i have a question, if the eden elder or the eye of eden is the main evil deity of sky who is the main good deity? aurora or is it something abstract?

[cold sparrow]

Sky doesn't really have 'good' or 'evil' deities (or personalities) like that

Sky is written to show the tragedy of mankind and its industrialization, and how cruelties can be accepted as inevitable or necessary
But no one is evil for the sake of being evil

[stiff moat]

and i wanted to use the babylonian creation myth😔 the enuma elis ugh

[cold sparrow]

The Eden elder youre thinking about is not really a deity either, just a being caught up in the cataclysm that ended it all

the closest to a divine entity that sky has is what concept art calls Megabird, and what the game just calls The Light. a constellation of light, consisting of the souls and memories of everyone that ascended and traveled through there. not an individual being, but more of a collective consciousness

[stiff moat]

Yes, ive heard about megabird is that the constelation you see in orbit? is there any lore behind it?

[cold sparrow]

only what I wrote above
it's the point in the world and cosmos that all light creatures pilgrimage to, where they 'die' and ascend, only to be returned to new life

[stiff moat]

i see

[cold sparrow]

like a cloud, gathering water from the ocean and the land, only to rain it back down
its more a force of nature than an entity

[stiff moat]

okay thank you! 🥲

[cold sparrow]

sorry if canon doesn't quite support your idea
you can still do your comic and let your creativity flow free
but I think Sky's own cosmology is also very beautiful and unique

[pastel hull]

I think you are allowed to have your own theory since sky lore isn't fully fleshed out yet, so you can enjoy, create facts and stuff you want as long your not shoving it in other people's throat and thinking your canon lore is right

It might be silly but since sky doesn't have an official lore (from what I see so far) you can make your own interpretation of it- ofc when sky lore is officially out you might be wrong but there's no fun of that tbh so have fun while you can have it

It also is mention in the pinned section of the channel.

[keen willow]

Hello everyone, can someone provide me with a link where the current and most accepted history of Sky by the community is written?

[frosty rampart]

What I get from the murals is that they were transporting crystals but the big Krill Attacked a ship so they managed to build a prison for him and were luring him in with the mantas Then they would extract the light to have the power and hold the door and trap the big krill underneath all of that.

[keen willow]

Weren't the creatures and the rebels the ones who knocked down the ark because of the war?

[frosty rampart]

But krills being made unnaturally with magic is much more likely than just by corrupted nature

[keen willow]

There is a theory that the Krills are the creatures that because of the storm could not transcend, and were trapped.

[royal python]

hey guys i went to prairie today for candles and ya know, since realizing sky had lore i’ve been paying attention to things more, and something that struck me as odd is that the dark plants seem to be concentrated around the bell towers?? it seems that the dark plants are corrupted butterflies from what we see in the caves, but also like… how do these butterflies even get corrupted?? is it because the ancestors are putting them in pottery?? but i don’t think that seems right since the same thing is done in isle iirc and there are no dark plants there.

another thing i find important is the amount of candles in each temple. i think valley has the most candles which is neat since it seems to be the peak of sky’s civilization.

[waxen ermine]

Im not sure, they seem to grow just about anywhere
-In caves
-Around dark water
-On bells
-On light torches
-On corpses (I think?)
-Around shards (but not in Eden)
-On butterfly jars

[royal python]

yeah i’m unsure there is any specific cause. i think they just tend to grow where the “dark” is. i just find it interesting that it is specifically around the towers which are presumably meant to direct light creatures to eden that these plants culminated. like it seems to me that it is possibly intentional placement. for new players, this is the first time that they see dark plants i believe.

[manic cave]

hello dear lore chat i dont pop in here a lot but i wanted to ask if yall have any theories as to why krill sound almost "mechanical" when you get close to them

[dire night]

Yeah that's what i said... don't know what your arguing against 😐

But might I add that i don't think it's done by magic but experimentation with darkstone. Magic seems to be something different entirely.

[frosty rampart]

I'm not with you I'm saying it is possible but not as the theory that suggest that Krills are born that way .

[spiral vault]

They don't need to eat, but they pretend to; all their energy is gained from light

[spiral vault]

There was someone who made sky lore videos, I can dm them to you if you want

[brazen hare]

New to the Lore chat here, but I am a bit of a lore fanatic, so I suppose I could pop in for a moment
Though, I've got a quick question about the Elders: is there any chance the Elders may have names of their own, instead of just [Realm] Elder? Just curious if anyone knows

[north niche]

they aren't written down anywhere in-game, but concept art did refer to them as Hebrew letters:

[brazen hare]

Wait, Prince? King is Eden (I think?), but who's Prince?

[north niche]

they're cut characters, originally Eden had the King launching lightning at us, but it wasn't very fun. Some speculate they're the same person (young good guy and then growing corrupt as he aged), others speculate it's two different people. we'll hopefully find out more about the current canon lore about them from Sky: The Two Embers.

[brazen hare]

Ah alright; thank you for clarification! Currently writing a story that's Sky-based and wanted to start implementing the roles of the Elders, so the preexisting names were very helpful. Thank you again

[stoic narwhal]

What's up with these crabs and why don't they attack me? Is it some story behind them?

[carmine glen]

Finished the game last night and it got me like

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING! Lol

[stoic narwhal]

Is there really a true end to the game though? it's more like a rebirth story and seeing lots of other spirits lives etc

[carmine glen]

No true end! It’s all based on our theories, which I actually prefer!

I love that it gives us the opportunity to talk about what our theories are!
Love the mystery so much, even though it kills me at the same time because I want to know what really happened

Rebirth ooooooh, very interesting!

[lucid bridge]

I think they’re grateful that you saved them from being roasted. Hence the hearts. The dark flakes usually seen on crabs are absent as well, so they’ve been sort of un-corrupted.

[stoic narwhal]

Ohhh, aw that's nice I'm glad they're safe

[odd sierra]

You may also notice that the crabs in Sanctuary that are always out in the sunshine don't try to attack you, unlike their cave-dwelling counterparts on the big main island! 🌥️

[celest birch]

There is no sun at the Crab Pot fireplace due to polluted clouds though ... mostly. 🤭 And we'll, they're grateful from being freed from the pot, thus they don't attack you, @stoic narwhal .

[stoic narwhal]

oh okay, I didn't realize that the crabs only attack when not in the sun

[waxen ermine]

Speaking of the sun… what if its function in game was to replace Megabird?

If you stand on the chat table area in orbit, you see the sun (or moon??)
And then the cutscene after shows all the light creatures flying into the sun (like how old concept art said that light creatures rejoin the megabird to become one being)

And finally in that one concept art of megabird, it rises over the planet the exact same way someone sees a sunrise in space

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/1239299057705549824/204_Sky.png?ex=664e4830&is=664cf6b0&hm=b77d9e4ed5f492bfb0a1b5a77062ff5c705c5cf34248655abae1a901dba53cf2&

https://youtu.be/-pagvP3AoVU?si=LIzxxzJTJqLjTSI7

[dire night]

Prince is just the name for the King when he was younger.

[dire night]

I like the theory but i think maybe the sun actually is orbit. Im not sure of this but its my own theory.

But something i do think is more likely is that orbit is the eye of the megabird, really showing how all incompacing and big she is.

[waxen ermine]

Orbit tends to refer to the circular path around an object

Most commonly used to say how the planets orbit the sun in the solar system

So in this case, orbiting around the planet? Since that’s what seems to happen in the game

I think you mean to say the sun is the Megabird’s eye

[dire night]

Yeah. It would also fit because in the concept art the megabird flew around the earth everyday to collect the lost souls. So if we assume that orbit is the front of the megabird it would be like she is circling the earth 🙂

[waxen ermine]

Out of curiosity I looked at the history of the Hebrew alphabet
This may not have any meaning at all for the game but this was just curiosity.

Isle
Daleth comes from the Proto-Sinaitic script “Dalt” meaning “door”.

Prarie
Ayin which comes from Proto-Semitic “Ayn” meaning “eye”.

Forest
Teth which comes from Phoenician “Teth” meaning “Wheel”.

Valley
Samekh which comes vaguely from Proto-Sinaitic meaning “support/peg”.

Wasteland
Tsadi, meaning “hunt” in Modern Hebrew which comes vaguely from Proto-Sinaitic

Vault
Lamed which comes vaguely from Proto-Semitic meaning “goad” (like a ox-goad, ie cattle prod)

Eden
Alef which comes from Proto-Semitic “alp” meaning “thousand/cattle”.
Resh which comes from Proto-Semitic “ras” meaning “head”.

[light minnow]

Wait
There's crabs hanging out in the sun at sanctuary?

[waxen ermine]

On the faraway small islands (at sea level)

[devout forum]

does any of u knows the story of the broken bridge on hidden forest?

[upbeat notch]

You mean the one we fix by activating light?

Tbh I thought it was held together by light magic and when that went out because nobody was there anymore to refresh it, the bridge collapsed

(Terrible structural engineers those Ancestors, needing magic so their structures dont fall apart lol)

[indigo stag]

yh, literally just use cement babes

[dire night]

Not any magic, just light. If the darkstones powering the bridge didn't have any more light left it couldn't hold it together anymore. Think of it like a flat battery.

[pallid dust]

I have long noticed that no matter how many years and versions of the elders pass. The king hardly changes

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, it’s pretty cool!

Also have we theorized that the Eden diamond was originally supposed to power the whole kingdom? Like originally everyone had diamond power sources generally around, until the greatest prosperity of one large enough to power the whole kingdom

[brazen hare]

Part of me wants to drop my interpretation of the Sky lore but it's mostly intertwined with a story AU

[agile totem]

Guys, why the éden vision in realms is so different inside éden eye?

[waxen ermine]

LOL Good question

[dire night]

Yeah its in the lore. The thing is people needed light to charge the darkstones. Eventually light started to run out natural and those in creatures. So the king made a Darkstone so massive that it would take the light from the stars themselves. It Eventually backfired and caused the stars to fall.

[waxen ermine]

Wait, it was powered by stars? I had no idea, that’s so cool!

Could also be seen as a visual metaphor for light pollution (if you live in a city you don’t see stars anymore)

That is confusing though.. the spirits themselves are the stars, right? And Sky Kids, they're depicted as constellations

[dire night]

Yeah we got to learn it from concept art, but eventually got conformation of it in the cave of prophecies mural and the Aurora concert.

[dire night]

Yeah everyone is birthed by starlight. The only difference is that skykids are kinda like angels or gods while the spirits are just normal people.

[waxen ermine]

But if he was sucking the stars, does it mean he was sucking people down from the sky? I thought they already were there before that

And we still see tons of stars in the sky
Unless the stars were the sky kids he sucked down, and that's why we see those statues of dead skykids

[dire night]

The thing is we dont see stars in any place on the main game. We only see a sky full of stars in starlight dessert but recently they added stars to the aviary. I feel that still makes sense because i interpret aviary as being after we save all the skykids in eden.

The spirits we see in the game however aren't ones who fell from the sky. They are simply spirits who couldn't pass on because the darkstone interupted the cycle. Thats why they say: "we took our light for granted and the sky went dark. Our spirits are still trapped in these realms."

So its the skykids duty as an otherworldly force( like an angel ) to help those trapped spirits get back home to the stars. So yea 🙂

[waxen ermine]

What do you mean? You see them very easily by looking at the launchpad (It's what I call it, I don't know what it's called XD)

And in orbit, there's tons and tons

[dire night]

Yeah your right, but i meant like in the realms. They are very fajnt compared to SD or Aviary but they are still there. my bad 🙂

[dire night]

Oh oh. Ofcourse because orbit is after we help the spirits and creatures get back home 🙂

[dire night]

Sorry i thought you meant at home at first 😅

[waxen ermine]

Because you don't see stars in the day except the sun
You'd only see them at night, but vault has only one outdoor area (Starlit desert)
And Eden is covered by stormclouds

[dire night]

Yeah so we never see them. We could maybe count passage but that can also be counted as happening after the ending of the game 🙂

[waxen ermine]

Just because we can't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist

[dire night]

Ofcourse they exist, but by the lore it shows that they weren't in the sky at that time 🙂

[dire night]

Also on an unrelated note, the statues are most probably other skykids who went on the same journey as us but they failed, leading to their souls being scattered by the darkstone. This lead to the creation of the winged light. Thats why we collect them and eventually give them back to the skykids who lost them.

[waxen ermine]

Ohh, that makes sense

[dire night]

This is just what makes most sense to me tho there may be different opinions

[upbeat notch]

Like my opinion lol

[dire night]

Yeah 😅

[upbeat notch]

I wonder how the enlighting of a sky kid works...I mean in eden we dont do anything special, we just give away our winged light soooo how do they become entlightend?

[dire night]

I dont think their enlightened, its just how their souls look. Their bodies still stay in eden, so it's like they died and were able to pass on 🙂

[upbeat notch]

They bodies littrly explode tho and then the spirits fly out of it

Plus its from concept art so its 100% Canon lol: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

Im joking

[dire night]

😐 are you being sarcastic?

[upbeat notch]

Johnathan all your sources are concept art lol

[dire night]

Pff ok 🤣😅

[upbeat notch]

Am I joking tho?...I dont know lol

[dire night]

No, sources gives a baseline. I may say stuff that are in concept art but always back it up with evidence in game. 🙂

[dire night]

Yeah yeah i know i was just a bit confused heh😅🤣. I was laughing after i figured it out. Don't fret 🙂

[upbeat notch]

Anyway...I forgot what I wannet to say

[dire night]

Thats ok 👍 take your time

[upbeat notch]

this keeps happening

So anyway I think they are "entlightend" cause thats what they look like in game and thats what they are called in concept art

plus it fits concidering we are going back to Megabird/the light

[dire night]

Actually in the concept art you provided they look like children of light having their entire body be glowing instead of only their cape. And in the concept art the children of the light are told to be the skykids internal light ( which i assume to mean their souls)

[upbeat notch]

Could have been canon at the time of "Sky light awaits" but changed later

I honestly just found out about Sky light awaits existence a few days ago

and there the ancestor ghost looked like in the concept art...rather uh...legless lol

[dire night]

Thats the thing about concept art. If it can't apply for me because it might have been changef than it cannot apply for you because it might have been later changed.

Its a conundrum 🤣

[upbeat notch]

could have been changed We dont know if it has been changed or not

[dire night]

Thats why i always try to explain it with stuff in game and not entirely rely on concept art. Its a good baseline but it does differ from the main game.

[upbeat notch]

Concept art Megabird doesnt exist in the game as we see it right? It only exists as a ball of light sooo ya doesnt exist

[waxen ermine]

Enlightened in Orbit, and when completing trials, and when the deer Enlightens the kid

[upbeat notch]

King was never Prince I think? If he was Prince that means there was a King before him right? But who could have been that King? We got no proof of a King existing before the King we know so...

[upbeat notch]

First picture doesnt look like concept art Megabird, seconing picture is from the secret area so not canon and third picture doesnt look like concept art Megabird

[waxen ermine]

He was definitely a prince, his body is depicted small at first
(And remember the prophecy murals show two spirits waving goodbye to a kid)

The same two spirits from isle who saw a kid fall from the sky, and appear with the prince in Two Embers
Someone else pointed this out, I forget who

[dire night]

Yeah he was first a prince and then later became the king. Prince's do tend to become Kings in real life

[upbeat notch]

You cant be prince without a King before you and since we got no proof of that King we got no proof of a Prince

[dire night]

Yeah its so cool i saw that

[dire night]

Your tone seems a bit aggressive.

The elders existed before the Prince did. My guess is they ruled the lands and then appointed them as their King after they raised him. Its sort of like a Thane in real life.

[waxen ermine]

Yup, they did exist
In the prophecy murals, the kid is giving away lights to the elders (and a few followers)

[dire night]

Exactly 🙂

[upbeat notch]

We can say Prince was maby the son of King but you cant be Prince without a King before you thats just a fact

[dire night]

If he was the son, wouldn't there have been some kind of evidence for that? Would you care to provide it? In concept or in the live game.

[upbeat notch]

Give me evidence King is Prince

And nvm you were right

[dire night]

Similar visual designs and they are always used interchangeably, specifically in the concept explained and drawn by tomzhao. We also see in game the small child with the eden crown on his head and later in the eden mural see the a taller figure with that exact crown, but no smaller figure that might be the prince in sight.

[dire night]

Thanks for blindly attacking me before you actually did some self research. Always appreciate it. Im gonna go to bed now. Thanks.

[upbeat notch]

Ima find my way out

[upbeat notch]

Fine...Im sorry

I got a bit carried away

Yk I do this stuff with ALOT of passion so I take these kinds of things personaly lol...proparly should stop that

So ya...again Im sorry

Ima try to not get carried away like this again in the future ^^"

[waxen ermine]

So with each kingdom, what can we assume they did with each of their elements?

Prairie: Took the earth element to make all the grass and flowers grow
Forest: Took the water element to.. make it rain, probably
Valley: Took the air element for.. Maybe what's going on in the citadel, or that flying race
Wasteland: Took the fire element for... I dunno, you hardly see any fire or candles

[lucid bridge]

Maybe, because the Trial of Fire is about finding light through overwhelming darkness via cooperation, the Wasteland Elder took the gift of fire so that they could guide their realm through the darkness. Perhaps the realm did not need this initially, but the prophecy was telling the future, and the Wasteland elder knew that they would need it eventually.

[upbeat notch]

Sorry everyone for my rude attitued today

[indigo stag]

everyone has them days

[brave patio]

Valley seems to have used the wind element to power their floating buildings? It looks like they stuck it in the darkstone, which is interesting - it looks like darkstone can absorb the elemental lights in addition to normal light

[spiral vault]

-There was a past civilization of people (the emote people)
-An event called the Shattering killed them and turned them into spirit ghosts
-Now, we're here to save them and create a new world

this was from a series of videos that helped me in the lore, I can dm you the videos

[spiral vault]

the diamond area in Eden happens far below the castle, here's how i view it

[spiral vault]

Concept art supports what already exists, but it's not a source by itself

For example, Hopeful Steward is very similar to a "child ghost"

[spiral vault]

In Two Embers, all we get is the "boy becomes a king", it's unreliable since there's no gender in sky, but maybe they'll skip over the prince

[waxen ermine]

Actually there might be gender in sky, some are referred to as he and she
But most are referred to as “they”

Also the fact that one is established to be the boy without any mention earlier, means the other is a girl

[spiral vault]

maybe some are wind, some are artificial

[waxen ermine]

Also, it seems the boy lives in the past with the people and buildings, society, prosperity

While the girl lives in the future with her pet manatee, with ruins and dilapidated buildings

[spiral vault]

" One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. The boy becomes a king."

I don't know which one becomes the king, it could be either of them

anyways, only the crossover characters have the gendered pronouns, all the spirits use they/them

it may be a tiny detail, but we already know the show is filled with them

The full quote:

"On the other hand, we’ve been working on an animated series, which we hope can also bring a new audience to the world of Sky. We’ll release a teaser of the animated series. We were just making small videos for that. I have a high standard of quality, though. I just keep pushing the team, and now it’s almost like a Pixar movie quality. It tells the story of two children, and the drama about the two of them trying to help people. One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. The boy becomes a king."

The Golden Wasteland is called that for a reason, it may be ruined even in the early days. I think the manatee kid is the Hopeful Steward

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, it’s clear the boy becomes a king during the prosperous era (there were still spirits when the king showed up in the game, he came and spread elemental lights to the people, then got the giant Eden diamond)

In the concept art we see the king get corrupted and violent, he was supposed to be at Eden throwing spears at the player with a spotlight eye like a krill

Not sure what happened, maybe his technology and greed corrupted him, and he no longer saw the beauty of light

Notice how both of them are not referred to gender, and they suddenly one of them is “the” boy, as if it’s obvious another is “the” girl

[spiral vault]

Maybe, although I'm not sure how the show itself will handle it

[waxen ermine]

Either it splits their stories in half, first half is the king, the second half is the girl

Or it switches between them interchangeably with past and future

[spiral vault]

Also, it's not like one person being a boy forces the other to be a girl

[waxen ermine]

Yes but the way it was worded does

Saying “the boy” implies there’s only one boy, it’s confusing if they’re both boys and saying “the boy becomes a king”

Either a girl or a nonbinary (or others) for the other one

[spiral vault]

Apparently, the show will have no dialogue, only narration

So the narrator might just use they them for everyone

[waxen ermine]

I’m eager to see it, I’ve seen a YouTube series with no talking and it was great
Making a show silent makes it acessible in all languages

[dire night]

A little misconception is that the shattering killed the spirits. I have no doubt the shattering killed the elders, but it seems the spirits died of their own natural causes but were unable to properly die because of the influence of the darkstone.

[dire night]

I think there is gender in sky. Some spirits and Elders are clearly either men or women with a few exceptions that can be interpreted as either one or the other. I just think TGC doesn't share that information cause its not relevant to our playing experience 🙂

[dire night]

The wasteland wasn't distroyed. It almost looked very similar to the Golden cities in Valley of triumph. We can see how beautiful it looked in one of the animation teasers.

[lucid bridge]

Regarding gender in Sky #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[spiral vault]

It's difficult to say what happened, but it's no doubt to say the Shattering destroyed the civilization of spirits

Being petrified is basically the equivalent of dead

[spiral vault]

It slowly turned to ruin, for example, it looked the same by the time of the war (which happened before the Shattering)

[spiral vault]

Who determines what's "relevant to our playing experience"? Lore should exist for lore's sake as well

The fact is, both TGC and the game itself uses gender neutral pronouns to refer to the spirits.

here's what the sky wikis says for ancestor spirits:

"The Spirits are referred to with gender neutral pronouns in the original English version of the game. In other languages the game has been localized to, all Spirits are given a grammatical gender if the language necessitates it. This is not indicative of a Spirit's canonical gender, and only serves to follow a language's grammar rules properly."

Still, there is a very complicated argument, and I doubt there'll be a solution

[brave patio]

Maybe the ancestors just had a really different interpretation of gender (in early drafts of season of gratitude, spirits were referred to using he, she, and they pronouns)
Also the devs confirmed the elders don’t really have a concept of gender
As a nonbinary person though I does annoy me when people say stuff along the lines of “because they refer to spirits with they/them pronouns that means we get to interpret if they’re male or female” because like… nonbinary is a perfectly valid gender identity. Not to say that some of them couldn’t have had another gender, but yeah it just bugs me a bit

[agile totem]

I still confusing because that pillar structure is possible to see inside edens eye

And about the moments area: we can see the geologist founding some cristals so is it possible that was the giant one be the éden cristal? Or maybe this season happens later in timeline?

[lucid bridge]

I would think that if the giant one was the Eden one it wouldn’t be in the cave, because it would be in Eden. Maybe they used a hint one like that for the Eden eye. Or maybe that one is the eden eye. Or maybe the Eden eye is all synthetic. It’s left up to interpretation.

[dire night]

And thats totally fine. I personally see them as being either men or women but its intentionally left vauge so the fans can dicide what they want them to be. 🙂

[dire night]

Yeah its probably the same stuff the King's darkstone is made of. My guess is that they started to collect us much of the darkstone crystals as possible and then made the massive one with them.

[hushed steeple]

What is a "they" pronouns?

[boreal hare]

they pronouns refers to they/them. E.g. "they went to the store" or "they have a cat"

[upbeat notch]

Hi Jonathan sorry again because of yesterday

[hushed steeple]

yeah I know

[boreal hare]

then whyd you ask?

[hushed steeple]

I don't get why is it mentioned here

[boreal hare]

because the person was reffering to the different pronouns being used on the spirits?

[hushed steeple]

I get the he and she but what is they?

[boreal hare]

i explained that here? Can you please elaborate on what you mean?

Are you asking when they is used and/or by who?

[hushed steeple]

I confused myself

I've been seeing they/them in some people's bios i don't get it

[boreal hare]

Well, now im also a bit confused, how exactly do you not get it? Also, perhaps we should move this chat somewhere else as this is the lore channel, so, dont wanna fill it with pronouns talk

[hushed steeple]

Ah just forget about that then

[dire night]

Ok ok guys. Lets please stick to lore related content. If yall want to fight about your different views on this topic yall can messege eachother privately.😐

[boreal hare]

we were not fighting, i was just trying to explain, and i just said, we will stop now ^^

[hushed steeple]

but we're not fighting lol

[boreal hare]

also, speaking of lore related content, megabird does not only appear in the credits and the office portal, she also shows up in orbit in the sky. Couldnt take better pics than this tho💀 (this could be important to figuring out the location of orbit, tbh)

[dire night]

Yeah its pretty cool huh 😎. I remember when i was a moth and older players always talked about the megabird. This was my first exposure to the concept 😄

[brazen hare]

I keep hearing about a "Megabird" a lot; what is this interesting creature?

[dire night]

She's the goddess of everything in sky. All light creatures and the the Skykids are made by her. All light comes from her and eventually return to her.

[cursive hatch]

mop

[agile totem]

We can see something like megabird concepts in galaxy oob. I think megabird is that light ball because the credits zooming out in this area, maybe the orbit would be a projection by it

[dire night]

Yeah i believe orbit to be the megabirds eye. In the end credits we zoom out from orbit and its placesment puts it right between these 2 things.

[agile totem]

I love the flight season symbol and the way directions to the wind paths is the megabird

[dire night]

It is? How so?😯

[agile totem]

Because the shape that match with some concept shapes too. Like the kings head in realms and in our destiny light

[dire night]

Oh might be? I always figured its just a stylized weathervane considering the season is all about wind.

You know like these

[agile totem]

Really looks too

[dire night]

Kinda sad we didn't get this version of the aviary. The shadows from the trees really make it feel so cozy.

[upbeat notch]

Agreed

Tho if aviary was like the concert where you dont really interact with fellow sky kids...I guess that wouldnt be as awsome...

[royal python]

wait this looks so cute i wish we had this now. imo aviary only looks really pretty at nighttime, not that i don’t mind it at other times but it feels empty somehow at other times of day.

[upbeat notch]

Tbh I would have loved it being more forest themed yk? More close to Nature

[royal python]

i absolutely love trees like i wish there were more trees it just feels so much more cozy

[hushed steeple]

Aviary was supposed to look like thiss?? :0

[upbeat notch]

I dont wanna be disrespectful towards TGC (or anyone like I was yesterday) but tbh I dont like the fact that we sky kids just live in some apartment block building

If I Imagined a Home for sky kids it would have been exactly like what we got in Light awaits (source: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_Light_Awaits)

[royal python]

yes i’m not a huge fan of the building either!! plus, from where we are in the apartment, it’s not even in the right location, which isn’t a huge deal for me but it just seems like an odd choice. like i would’ve loved to have a view of the village but it’s all blocked by clouds :( unless there is a future quest dedicated to clearing that, which is possible. but yeah i feel like the building doesn’t have a whole lot of personality to it. i like the awnings and flower pots but there is no intricacy about the building itself.

[upbeat notch]

Whatcha think of the other version of home that I send in?

[royal python]

i honestly don’t really know what i’m looking at lol. it looks like the water trial.

[upbeat notch]

Uuuh ya tbh I see as much as you do lol

I guess what I expect for a home for Sky children is something special...something related to Light or the universe, star constalation, maby a temple or seperate place in the clouds...I dont wanna live in a normal building that is located in a normal village!

[royal python]

aw i kinda like the normal village, i’m an enjoyer of cozy spaces. but it could be cool to have some kind of temple i agree. that might mess with the lore though, but really just some kind of dedication to the light would be really cool.

[upbeat notch]

I mean it could be simular to the Ark where we just find an old temple that worshipped the light and then slowly rebuild it for ourself

[royal python]

that would be cool. i did like the ark stuff a lot

[upbeat notch]

Agreed but uh We should talk about Lore and not our dream homes lol ^^"

[royal python]

yeah lol

[upbeat notch]

So I noticed how the spirit memories never really show how the spirits died so my theory is that they just did their daily activities and when the eden crystal exploded everyone just poof ded

[royal python]

oh i never considered actually that the memories were in the moments before they died. i always kinda thought it was just some kind of experience that the spirit holds dear and i suppose you relive their experiences to bring them back to life in a sense??

or maybe not hold dear but it’s just an impactful experience

[upbeat notch]

Oh ya I guess that also works but then their favourite memories would be right before their death or the memories are just really in line with the enviorment the body died

[sharp heart]

if its their final memories before death, that has some not so nice implications for spirits like sparkler parent

[upbeat notch]

I assume this is the hiking/ one we find in the village, running around with their kid?

[sharp heart]

no, in the valley temple maze

[upbeat notch]

Uh lemme google

[royal python]

i’ve always considered it to be the latter because the memories are often experienced in areas they are familiar to and so i suppose it also makes sense that they would be buried there. it’s not a perfect idea but it’s what i’ve been assuming.

[sharp heart]

long story short, she finds a box of pyrotechnics, gets sparklers out of it, and playes with them with her kids right over the box of fireworks

[upbeat notch]

O.O

[upbeat notch]

I ment that they all died by the eden crystal (and I REALLY hope they ONLY died by the eden crystal and not...not like that)

[royal python]

but anyway, i don’t think all these spirits died when the eden shard exploded. a lot of the memories seem to happen at different times as to show how the civilization changed, and i don’t feel like all this happened over a short period. i mean, especially if we are considering the idea that one of these spirits sees the prince fall from the sky.

[sharp heart]

there was probs a few krills here & there too

[upbeat notch]

Well I mean if they did die through different times then it couldnt have been by eden exploding

[royal python]

however it is pretty strange that they wouldn’t be able to move on even before the crystal explosion because the crystal explosion seems to be what prevents people from moving on. although thinking about it now, how do we even end up surviving eden?

like i think we die in eden, but we are also able to ascend into orbit and then reincarnate again. how???

[upbeat notch]

Plot armor 😄 (if its not plot armor I cant explain how WE can come back but the other children of light cant)

[sharp heart]

what if we're not the same sky kid? we're just perma dead after each eden run, each life is a brand new sky kid

[upbeat notch]

The thing is if our old bodies EXPLODE when we ascend then it would be weird that we can just come back BUT if we just leave our body behind and reincarnate THAT makes sense cause now we came back but our old body is still in eden

[upbeat notch]

I mean we did theorise that Megabird is a hivemind, having the Creatures of light and Children of light under its partly control. So if we die and we just come back like nothing happend as a new sky kid that would properly mean we just got a memory transfer or something like that from Megabird

[royal python]

okay yeah what you guys are saying makes sense, that each trip through eden is a different body. i suppose it’s assumed that our light/soul or whatever is freed by other sky kids, so we are in a perpetual cycle of freeing ourselves from eden?? i’m trying to comprehend what this might mean with the void cutscene.

[sharp heart]

its the personification of our body & light, the cutscene shows how we need both to survive

[upbeat notch]

Void cutscene could be interpreted like "leaving your old self behind (where we are partly ancestors and not 100% light) and then fully becoming ascended/light when we fuse with the winged light

[royal python]

see the void cutscene makes it feel like the dark body is our soul because we are in their perspective, it’s not simply just a vessel for us. but the child of light clearly has personality as well.

[sharp heart]

i see it the other way, the light is our soul, and the dark is the vessel, the only thing its capable of is combining with a soul, only then is it able to move properly

[royal python]

and then also… why show the body and light merging back together before orbit instead of after orbit? wouldn’t it make more sense to show the light separating from the body to join the other light in orbit?? and it’s not simply for getting to see your character because they show that merging cutscene which means there is lore importance to that.

[dire night]

Yeah i totally agree. Skykids are like gods so they aren't tied to one place they are part of the world around them. Thats why i love the old home. The closest thing to a home we got was a little island close to our crater. I think thats actually really more creative than some apartment building 🙂

[upbeat notch]

Ya why would we fuse together? Doesnt that just result in us being back to partly ancestor and partly light?

[sharp heart]

i like to think home is our true home (hence the name), while the nests are just our place to stay while in aviary

[dire night]

But i understand if people enjoy the apartments more. I think i would've liked it a lot more if it looked a bit more... idk like the rest of the buildings in sky. This apartment feels like they could've put it together in a day and looks very rushed.

[upbeat notch]

And aviary never changed its name to "Aviary Village (Home)" Its basically like a temporary place we stay in because we got work to do there

[sharp heart]

aviary is an ongoing project after all

maybe after we're done rejuvenating it we take our new knowledge back to home and renovate it

[dire night]

Oh i hope not. They can do whatever they want to Aviary but leave Home untouched. Its perfect 🥰

[sharp heart]

i dont mean anything drastic
keep the main island intact, but add some new islands around it with different things on em

[upbeat notch]

Maby aviary is a sort of place where we can get more in touch with our ancestor side...life like them in apartments, be part of a village, a community and be more...human and less like the Demi gods we acctualy are...is that weird?

[sharp heart]

we still dont even know where we came from in the first place
we just showed up and were give protagonist plot armor powers

[dire night]

Honestly, i don't think TGC takes lore so much in mind anymore. They are kinda just adding thing left and right without any regard for how it effects the lore. Take the cameras and the modern furniture and stuff like that.
I think some of the games charm gets lost when they do that. Thats just me tho 😦

[nimble ingot]

I agree.
Sincethe very start of this season, I was not a fan.

A skykid that is freespirited and enjoys waking up on the shore after a night under the stars would certainly not be a fan of living and hole in a wall.

With all due respect. Season of nesting is more like a pigeon hole for skykids.

[upbeat notch]

Not just you. I wanna live in this fantasy kingdom of sky with its wonders and beauty and not the modern world with apartments and cameras.

[dire night]

We are created with the soul purpose of bringing the spirits back to the stars. After the shattering caused the spirits to be unable to pass on, the Megabird weakend. Thus she created the skykids to help them. A lot of the skykids failed, untill us the main character finally was able to send the spirits and the other skykids back home. 😄

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

Even with the "fine print" disclaimer that its a beta and may change before its final release.
Those are some major changes with all the big trees gone. The swing, adios. The LEAVES, gone like the wind.

[sharp heart]

now that i think about it, we gonna be due another "lore" season soon, last one was remembrance

[upbeat notch]

Agreed. Sky kids are not humans. They dont live in villages or cities, they are free, they are kids and they life outside in nature with all its wonders (creatures of light) and dangers (creatures of darkness)

[sharp heart]

cant forget the giant freaking wall they threw in to seperate the portals from the village
i hate that wall

[nimble ingot]

Skykids prior to revival were feral. lol

[dire night]

I would love for them to add trees, i just want some more water and more shadow. Its a real eyesore sometimes to look at the aviary when everything feels so bright and dry. Thats why i prefer home, because atleast there you can switch it to night-time whenever you like.

[sharp heart]

cough cough village of dreams

[upbeat notch]

We dont live there lol (tho tbh your right, I liked the village of dreams...Aviary is just...to boring for me personaly)

[sharp heart]

We were drifters
Sassy drifters if may

[upbeat notch]

Yaaaa I remember when I did stuff like that irl when I was a kid

[odd sierra]

I also remember drifting sassily as a kid

[nimble ingot]

I have noticed that aviary can also change time of day.

But aside from that.
I am dissapointment at how TGC have subtly tried pushing players to switch to aviary and the favortism.

Home used to have priority with bug fixes before season of revival.
Since the start of this year, the island had seen more bugged days of events and at one point missed travelling spirits paying a visit to aviary and even the daylight prairie's 8 player area. While Aviary has been spoiled with new assets and accessories for every event this year.

[dire night]

Also another gripe i have with TGC is they try to sell the game as this cutesy, loving everything is positive type of game. Its not. Give us something dark every now and then because the game isn't interesting if everything is sunshine and rainbows. Remembrance was so good because it talked about the Negative side of sky, Enchantment showed the effect of the storm. I dont want it to take over the game but just give us something to work with.

[sharp heart]

To be fair, why wouldn't they encourage players to use the new features?

[dire night]

Yeah. I remembered they took away all of homes features in an attempt to force everyone to use the Aviary 🤣

Aviary wishes it could be as cool as village of dreams.

[sharp heart]

Well look how the tables have turned now, traveling spirits are bugged in aviary and can only be found in home

[dire night]

Ok sorry im ranting a bit here but i also absolutely hate how they give us the different parts of aviary in different seasons. So far both of the seasons could've just as well have been one. They are needlessly spreading it out.

[nimble ingot]

Imagine this.

And I would not care if this coincidently happens in the game.

What if...
There were more than one home.
And while Aviary can be the spoiled younger sibling with new decorations for events.
The other home can still have its old event assets, with the guide still there with their usual gimmicks.

And, and, here is the mind blowing part.
what if the game gave players the option to unlock other home locations across the realms.
These ones could be similar to the island, or be a lesser version.
But each one has their own mood that depends on their realm.

For example, Day has a Cliffside area with a little field and pond, and the closets are in a small cave.
Forest gets a tree house with a platform for skykids to customise their own space.
Valley gets a cottage near the dream village.
And so on...

Another bonus is each one has a space dedicated for any events to use on occasion.
And skykids get another space they can use to customise much like the pigeon hole -I mean- 'nest'.

[dire night]

Lmao all this talk of aviary reminds me of this meme i saw when it first came out.https://youtube.com/shorts/yJwO9hPh2vI?si=wPLxDhbSXZSKJmOz

[sharp heart]

Jesus Christ that's alot of text

[upbeat notch]

basically what if feral sky kids set up their homes where they want to in the realms

[sharp heart]

The treehouse kids in a nutshell

[dire night]

I would love to permanently stay at the Treehouse in forest.

[upbeat notch]

Omg yes we littrly build that thing and never talked about it again and it would fit so well too!

[nimble ingot]

I feel bad for moths arriving in the game for the first time, they are detoured to aviary and tossed into the deep end of season grinding to complete season of revival.

I find it ironic how home island has these garage sale style decorations for skykids to be 'tempted' to check them out in aviary.
And yet there is hardly any mention of the home island.

[dire night]

For real. I remember my first playthrough of sky. You only had Isle portal open and in the isle it taught you the essentials, call on butterflies, what winged lights do, how to rescue spirits and use expressions. It was truly magical.

Now new moths are forced to do like 5 quests before they are even allowed to start the game. That really makes me mad but i was called stupid for saying it 🥲

[sharp heart]

Aviary should be locked behind maybe the third Eden run or so

[upbeat notch]

Plus..."season of nesting" fits way better with a tree house then with some apartment building

[upbeat notch]

Or just be some seasonal area like the tree house

[dire night]

I think they only called it Nests cause they didn't just want to straight up say apartments 🤣

[sharp heart]

Well maybe Eden runs isn't it, but it should be locked behind something

[upbeat notch]

Season of...paying rent......yey...

[sharp heart]

400 candles per week for a one room apartment, the sky economy is in shambles

[nimble ingot]

Season of nesting boxes.
Season of Ikea
Season of Cash grab Sims dlc
Season of Budget edition
Season of Economy

[dire night]

Yeah. Players have been complaining that eden was to difficult and what bothers me is that TGC doesn't have enough faith in the players to be able to do hard things. I was an absolute master in Eden cause i went weekly, and eventually got better at it. Now they changed it for people who don't want to put any effort into getting better.

[upbeat notch]

Oh? What did they do?

[sharp heart]

Let them face the original grandma shard, make them suffer just as we once did

[dire night]

They removed the crawl mechanic. What was really funny to me is that this change, that was supposed to make it easier, made it so that the rocks always hit you and thus you couldn't move forward. That's what i personally called Karma 🤣

[celest birch]

They didn´t. They only tweaked it, so that you crawl at <10 wl.

[upbeat notch]

Tbh I hate both cause I keep getting hit by rocks, fall to the ground and then just got completly destroyed by them lol

[celest birch]

Stun. Lock. Try that.

[nimble ingot]

before revival.
Any season spirit envounter were unlocked once you go to valley.

You coukd still access some season areas from realms before then
But the game focused more getting players started with the main storyline.

[upbeat notch]

Basically I get stun locked ya

[dire night]

Yeah i know. But now due to the new change the whole way of getting through eden 2as altered. Before the update i used to be able to get all the statues without being hit once before the perma rain. After the update i literally lost all my light in the first area 🤣🤣

Edit: didn't lose all my winged light i meant all my light got removed due to a rock and i needed to recharge at a statue. Sounded a bit confusing

[celest birch]

Much much worse than just straight-up crawling. At least when you crawl, you can still sort of move. Not when being completely stunlocked. 😅

Wow, that is unfortunate. Also, let´s go to #eden-spoilers for that one, yes?

[upbeat notch]

Right right, people we should talk about lore

[nimble ingot]

An ironic blunder for aviary was the original reason why it was removed was because it slowed players down with getting them started.

And this time around, it still does that by incentiving players to do seasons.
Which also loops them back to the active season. And also makes it all the more tempting to just spend money on getting the candles to enjoy the cosmetics.

My hypothesis is made sense to take aviary away back then because there were no seasons and content to profit from with players.
But this time, it makes sense from a business mindset to milk players of that sweet candle currency that either takes a lot of time, or money for players.
Prefferably profit over time grinding away for candles.

[dire night]

Exactly.

[celest birch]

Boy, do I wish that Aviary would get uinlocked the same way the rest of seasonal spirits are: very first Eden run.

[upbeat notch]

Oh wait they get unlocked like that?

[celest birch]

Yeah, first-timers don´t get to see seasonal spirits unless other players do them. Once the first Eden run is done, they properly show up.

[upbeat notch]

my first run in sky was a speedrun so I just rushed through all the levels including eden and THEN thought: "Hey wait a minute"

[dire night]

Yeah. I would've lovef it if new moths spawned at home and only after completing eden got to have aviary as a reward. I think that is so much better than forcing them to do it right from the beginning.

[celest birch]

Absolutely. Why not suggest that in #live-feedback ?

[upbeat notch]

We need to talk about that LORE now pls (while reading through it I made a Matpat voice when saying LORE)

[dire night]

Cause its pointless. TGC dont really listen to suggestions. Not really 🥲

[celest birch]

Since Aviary, after all, is an area where the new journey should properly begin for the newly-reborn moth. ;D It is an older area with lore after all, which does remind me ... anyone still saw the hidden Darkness plant above the Nest-apartments?

[nimble ingot]

Lore.
sure.

What about lore?
Which season?
Where to focus in the realms?
(sorry for being blunt and writing a lot.)

[dire night]

Also i do think when they anounced the permanent home for new moths will be aviary i did leave a suggestion of this idea. Obviously didn't effect them 😅

[celest birch]

Better to try still. ;D One can never be fully satisfied until they tried to do all they can. 🤭 Especially if lots of us says so.

[upbeat notch]

(I wish Game theory would do a theory on sky) ok so basically lets talk about uuuuh...dark sky kids??? Again???

[celest birch]

Anyways, back to them juicy looooreeeeee (#timing, Imaginator, since Sky is pretty much Game Theory´s ripe fruit tree, haha!!).

[dire night]

Yeah. They are probably gonna remove it cause its too hard for players or something 🤣

[nimble ingot]

They even did surveys asking hwo is aviary and how to improve that.

I made sure to mention the island Home. That it should not be neglected in favor of aviary.

Aviary is fine.
But it cannot outright replace the original home players have been on for as long as 4 years.

[dire night]

Amen brother. Exactly what i said when they put it out.

[celest birch]

If they wish to do anything to old Home, then might as well turn it into a Nest of its own. ;D

[upbeat notch]

Dont worry, We had that cute little island back in Light awaits we wont abandon it that fast

[upbeat notch]

Imagine for days of nature Home just gets replaced with a Bee hive or a bird nest or something lol

[celest birch]

Eagle Nest. 🤭 🤭

[nimble ingot]

I'd love to see TGC ellaborate more on that part of the lore.

In tbe game, it is just a debuff. But it has the potential to be more than that.

What if darkened skykids are overlooked by dark creatures?
what if they are more vulnerable to shard corruption. And not just the visual of crystals painfully embedded in our poor skykids.

[upbeat notch]

I mean they add this kind of stuff and then just...dont really do anything with it (I know its just cloths but I LOVE IT)

[dire night]

I dont think the skykids can get truly corruptted only extinguished. There isn't really a in lore example of dark skykids only dead skykids. We might take the King as a example if corruption, but his corrupted version isn't canon anymore.

[upbeat notch]

Dark plants sprouding out of the cracked Mask of a sky kid? Thats.Dark....keep it up

[celest birch]

Imagine Grandma´s cakes and Tea Brewer´s cinnamon roll heals the darkened Skykids. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

Ya Imagine just this act of overflowing love is the cure to it ^^

[celest birch]

Even though I did get some hints about them making Eden-based ultimate reward if they unlock all from the Elders. ;D

[dire night]

Yeah but also take in mind its a mask. It can be changed. Just because there is a mask and cape that is overtaken by darkness doesn't mean the skykid itself is. If that were true i assume pur light would vanish if we wore them.

[upbeat notch]

Of cause of cause its not an actual dark plant but...still the concept is a bit dark for sky standarts

[dire night]

You know. I hope they add the rest of the Remembrance spirits to the cafe. I dont want the tea brewer to be alone. Let her found family help her run the cafe 😄

[upbeat notch]

that would be so cute Imagine the kid (I forgot his name) just playing in some corner with his plushies and you can join him ^^

[nimble ingot]

Exactly!

And if they were to decide to remove it.
They should let players know upfront about that.
Not the stunt they pulled with slyly leaving it bugged for months while being quick to fix bugs in aviary.

They should have been aware when reports came in.
They should know skykids can be pretty spiteful, stubborn and determined.
And they could have hsd the common decency to say 'we dont care about home' if that was the case. And if not, then please explain why they were more focused on making videos of themselves doing Q&As, interviews etc., and on new content for aviary, but fail to maintain Home.

A standard they have sadly lowered. Whether they meant to or not.
And at what cost? (rhetorically)

[dire night]

Yeaah thats so much more creative. The soldier and the father could help take care of the plants on the windowsills

[nimble ingot]

They can take the skykid from the island. But not the island from the skykid.

[upbeat notch]

But...aviary sadly was the first concept of our home... back in light awaits, even before portals excisted we had aviary...not the village ofc

[dire night]

Yeah. It was smaller but it had so much personality. Current aviary feels mostly like empty space.

[nimble ingot]

A darkened skykid stumbles into their cafe/dinner table.
Both spirits frantically spoon feed the skykid a freshly made meal to help them recover some light. 💔

[nimble ingot]

That aviary, the project teaser and final version are not the same, sadly.

Light awaits' aviary still had 'portals'. Except they were gates with windpaths that lead to the realms.

[upbeat notch]

Btw we can still watch light awaits different versions on youtube if we wanna its all there

[celest birch]

Ok, the image on the right looks something out of Season of Abyss, ngl. Especially the great door.

[upbeat notch]

Also Sky awaits had very much differnt cape designs (the designs were bugged as I heard, which is why Tgc switched it up for more simple designs)

[celest birch]

Pleaful Child and I approve of it. Have all of the Remembrance spirits have the café as their new home! ^-^

[celest birch]

Yet, since I did read that they pretty much wish to add more spirits, but once TS vanished, they realized they reached the limit and need to tweak with the tech some more to be able to host more of them without overheating the phones so much more they already do.

[upbeat notch]

I just cant stop with these Designs idk why but I love them so much (Source: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_Light_Awaits)

[upbeat notch]

Ya I mean dont they need a new home the most? They only got this one room to share for them all in the Vault

Tbh I would love it if the Ancestors Use the apartment building for themselves, have their own little rooms with their own personality shining through since the spirits decorate their rooms themselves

[dire night]

The thing i love about light awaits is that it had a very good contrast between light and shadows, that the current version if the game doesn't have. Those shadows looks so beautiful

[celest birch]

Grown-ups already have their own houses in Aviary, honestly. When it comes to Nests, I more imagine them as being like a Hobbit Hole or something; a place where Skykids can retreat if they wish their alone time. Or just with their friends without any strangers intruding. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

Lol Hobbit holes are also a good idea ^^

[celest birch]

For now, it´s the only place where Skykids can truly be on their own if they wish so and is 100% theirs as well; hopefully, TGC will be able to expand that into other areas as well ... and who says that more feral Skykids wouldn´t decorate their personal Nest/hole/cave the way they wish once they wish to rest undisturbed? 🤭

[dire night]

I would've loved it if our nest was actually part of the mounds and not some random apartment

[upbeat notch]

Tbh I like the idea of the Sky kids nest acctualy being a nest or a hive...makes the kids seem way more feral and way less like humans, Id like that lol

[celest birch]

Took the words right out of my mouth, like how grown-ups have their living spaces in literal mounds; that´s something I absolutely wouldn´t wish to say no to.

Well, an apartment building is something like a hive in a way. :,D Even though I absolutely wouldn´t say no to the apartment building being more overgrown with nature and such. Have branches grow from the walls and such.

Which does remind me of this though.

[upbeat notch]

Really going with the idea of the sky kids being creatures of light

[upbeat notch]

All these kids of light and nobody cared to clean up the dark plants? ts ts ts lol Im joking

[celest birch]

That Darkness plant is literally protected by the wind wall and the clouds.

[upbeat notch]

Ya ik thats why I was joking cause I tryed removing that thing before

[nimble ingot]

not bugged, laggy.

The pattern would start out simple or bpank. And the pattern fills out layer by layer when you complete more eden runs.
It is a similar mechanic as with the wayfarer from Journey.

The detail and the performance of the game back then had been giving trouble to certain devices.
So they removed it.

However, with how detailed capes are these days. TGC could afford to consider adding these back into the game some time.

[celest birch]

You know what do we really need ingame? Journey´s White Pack!

[upbeat notch]

Ya "Light awaits pack" would fit well concidering they brought the Journey pacl to all devices

[celest birch]

Aka the capes from Season of Revival. ;D

[upbeat notch]

Also I noticed how the journey game has the design of a wayfarer which didnt complete the game once...littrly a Wayfarer Moth cape...I dont mind ofc and Im glad its there but I just wish it would be more concidering the cape costs double the actual Journey game on steam

[celest birch]

Anyways, I think we derailed the channel enough. Back to zhe lore! 🤭 🤭 Which does remind me of what in the name of Eden is the dark creature supposed to be in Days of Nature.

[upbeat notch]

A Slug 😄

We call it a worm sure, but its a water slug

[celest birch]

In Prairie Peaks, that is; thing kind of looks like a corrupted slug. O_o #timing xD

Which implies that there are other snails and such existing in the Kingdom, which is whaaaat.

[nimble ingot]

Oh, that's a ||spoiler because it is not officially out yet, lol||

As a joke, I'd call it a bobbit.
The headcanon joke on this channel

[upbeat notch]

Imagine we uncorrupt it and it just becomes baby

[nimble ingot]

oh my word!
That would be amazing! ❤️

[celest birch]

That would defo be something, a first gastropod ever in Sky. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

Only cute slug in existence change my mind lol

[celest birch]

https://oceanconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/leaf-sheep-sea-slugjimlynn.jpg

[upbeat notch]

changed my mind

Ok so non spoiler lore...anyone got ideas?

[celest birch]

I actually mentioned one thing. "Eagle Nest" or, as I like to call it, "Easter Egg Nest.

[upbeat notch]

Oh? I mean I saw it but wdym

[celest birch]

What kind of lore implication does that have? Especially given just how big those eggs are?

[upbeat notch]

Wait show me

[tribal otter]

They might be manta eggs; the only other mention of creature eggs are in some old Abyss murals

It would make sense, considering the only real big creatures are some mantas, whales, and krill, the last being artificially made

[nimble ingot]

The 'easter' egg nest in boneyard (forest) were what remained of an old quest from season of Rhythm

If I recall correctly, it was something to do with helping a large bird.
A creature known from this season, but was left unnamed until season of Flight revealed its name.
It was never seen again since season of Rhythm.

[tribal otter]

Ooh, that's true

[upbeat notch]

Huh never saw that Bird sadly

[tribal otter]

https://youtu.be/c9F-z845byw?si=hA1rkwQM3LnQW9Ne
Final cutscene ↑

[upbeat notch]

Ah ya thats...thats a big bird

Tho I never saw the eggs in the Boneyard so idk if it fits

[upbeat notch]

Are we sure Sky kids dont come from these kinds of eggs (Im joking ofc lol)

[tribal otter]

Given the ratio of the eggs to the bird it's quite possible it could be the bird's eggs

[upbeat notch]

Hm idk...I mean does the Bird even have a connection in game to these eggs?

[tribal otter]

No. Besides, given the absence of the mother and the exposure to constant corrupted rain, the hatchlings would be long dead by now.

[upbeat notch]

oh...well thats just...wow...sad...

[tribal otter]

Yeah
I mean there are worse fates, such as the krills'

[upbeat notch]

I mean...those eggs are laying on a pile of rocks...the nest is properly been blown away years ago...nobody to incubate them...

[tribal otter]

The pile of rocks is likely the nest. You can see carvings on them that show that they were likely taken from the temple

[upbeat notch]

Idk Id rather get tackled by a weird worm then to die before Im even born lol

[tribal otter]

No I mean the Krill themselves. Murals in beta abyss showed that they were manta or whale eggs drained of their light and corrupted

[upbeat notch]

Oh...ya thats worse ya

thats ya...thats even more messed up then just nature being cruel

[spiral vault]

I this season comes far earlier. The geologist is very surprised at the large quantity of darkstone, and they seem pretty uninterested by its effects. The camera might be made of light magic; they might be easier to make since light is a moldable substance in this world

[agile totem]

Do you think the moments season happens before the dar stone era?

[spiral vault]

see the pointy bit on the megabird? It's very similar to the flight symbol

[spiral vault]

A long time ago, someone constructed an elaborate essay to prove that the entire sky kingdom happened over one generation

However, as for the prince, I think they arrived in a later-ish period

[spiral vault]

We have winged light, spirits don't

[spiral vault]

Sky always had modern elements

From 2012 to 2014 continuously, sky has modern, environmentalist, and post-apocalyptic themes

[spiral vault]

That's not how it works, the new intro is much better and less confusing

[spiral vault]

Well, it would be the very beginning of darkstone, maybe they were just in the process of using it, but they didn't become full industrial

[spiral vault]

You see, Sky has an endless battle with information. Even now, with all the changes, new players often end up confused on the story and the gameplay.

Story-wise, the Aviary and Isle intro both lay out the central premise of the game (and are basically reworded versions of each other). Sky should take a slightly more heavy-handed approach with the narrative, so that they can introduce new players to the lore, instead of excluding them

Beforehand, you were thrust with very little information on your central goal and who the spirits/skykids were. I like the new intro for at least trying to explain some of these things, even if there are some things that are left out

Apologize for flooding the chat, I can only talk for short bursts of time, I'll have to go in 10 minutes or so

[agile totem]

Maybe home space never was pretended to be the home because. I knew it was created because performance issues in original aviary area

[agile totem]

I would like the dark side of sky lore to be explored more and presented

[nimble ingot]

Is the new intro this? (just to be on the same page)
(also from the perspextive of a new player)

A little kid with a cape flying through the sky with mantas and birds soaring with them past the clouds.
Lightning strikes them down and they arrive at the gates of a broken tower.
Que the intro to season of revival, an empty village and the insentive to do other season quests, then you are taken to the portals to start at the only working portal. Dawn.

(now the original)
The game asking if this your first time starting up the game. An ominous message appears on a darkened screen "sound is more than half of the experience."
The camera shows a small island with stone arches. There is a dark storm as a mote of light falls unto the island. A child is seen laying on the ground. They get up, confused and naive to the environment they find themselves with. Then the first arch activated and is revealed to be a portal. Que the game with the start of your journey in Dawn.

The old intro as far as I remember it, had intentional moments for the player's first impression.

The latest one (as far as I saw in videos), assumed the player would know skykids can fly and had capes. An inconsistency that irked me.

The intro to season of revival is a good intro to the season. But not for the game's overall mood.

The new intro makes the skykid appear as some plot armoured superhero.

The original made the story feel decentralised. Skykids are an jnsung hero because no one was there to cheer them on from the start. They gain that reputation by exploring the game.
The new intro gave that away too quickly.

[agile totem]

The the old intro vibes is much "into the eden-like" because the portals is out of work and its lighting (like the eden weather). Its can be support the "skykid are the king" theory

[nimble ingot]

I am not following, sorry.

"home space never was pretended.."
May I ask to rephrase, please.

The island was supposedly not an issue for 4 years until TGC made the change with the 2 newest seasons.

Aviary is a fantastic hub space, but fails as a home because skykids never had a home. Them retconing that with saying skykids are given a stone box for a home feels off.

It maybe because I am used to having open spaces as a home.
But shoving the kids into apartments made them feel more like workers.

[spiral vault]

It seems like you're framing it strangely. The sound message also appears in the new intro, but it's in a happy and optimistic way, which is more fitting.

Gameplay wise, the new intro is also better for introducing the player to flying. It shows how it theoretically can be done, and when the player recollects the WL, they'll know more on how to fly. It's a very common trope in video games, and for good reason https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ATasteOfPower

[nimble ingot]

Just a hunch.

What if skykids are in fact pieces of the Megabird?

The reason why the megabird is gone is because there are so many skykids.
The megabird sacraficed its own light to send more and more skykids to help restore balance.

[spiral vault]

The new intro also adds something new: narrative. Beforehand, the skykid had not as much character motivation, but now, you pick up the candle, and it explains more of the kingdom as you slowly uncover it more.

Another thing I like about Aviary Village is that it directly shows Eden, and it's shown to be your final destination. Rather than not appear until Daylight

[agile totem]

In sky wiki have some feedbacks saying about how heavy the game was in light awaits, the areas, the capes, all it warm the ios phones

[agile totem]

Omg, its really makes sense because we are made of "light" and the megabird is associated to light

[nimble ingot]

So skykids gets a cape. But loses it.
And then they get it back so they can fly again.

That part feels off because it makes the winged light feel more like a power up.
It also takes the ability of flight for granted when skykids are going to be flying for literally the entire game.

The fact that the skykids start out as capeless in the old intro makes them seem more vulnerable. And the ability that grants them flight ehen the players has full control feels more special.

The new intro cheapened the moment with giving them a cape for some reason we may not know, just to take away and letting the player get it back a few mi utes later.

[spiral vault]

Even if they get the cape back, they won't be flying with all that wings for a long time

anyways, I have to go now, bye

[nimble ingot]

The island has Eden directly opposite from the Dawn portal. The island is stormy.

The player will eventually make that association as they play.

[agile totem]

I think the aviary still needing some clean informations to lore.
Like, WHERES THE AVIARY???
in map we can see its between the home space and dawn, but? Isnt possible see aviary, and the esthetic is too prairie-like

[tribal otter]

The Aviary, I believe, is an island in a sea of clouds purposefully disconnected from the rest of the kingdom. It's Steward, who I like to call Beyt, probably founded the village with the help of Seasonal Guides, who are leaders of small groups of ancestors, and who I believe represent the masses. While the Elders, the leaders of the Kingdom, supported Resh, the Guides (the leaders of the people) supported Beyt.

The Aviary is not only the home of the Sky kids, but also a refuge and a shelter for the ancestors, who almost all connect to this area, one way or another.

You'll notice that there isn't a single winged light within the Aviary. I'm one of the people who believe that winged lights are the marks of Resh/Alef. This means that either Alef never set foot in the Aviary, or there is no record or memory of it. However, there is obvious corruption in the Aviary, which means he and the corruption did eventually find this place, and take it over. This is, after all, a clear path in the clouds between the Aviary and Eden.

The Aviary is a place that doesn't associate with Resh's rule. It's completely cut off from all areas of Sky. I think that it probably resides somewhere on top of the wall of clouds that surrounds Sky.

[soft timber]

This makes sense as although we can clearly see the Diamond in background, Aviary itself is surrounded by clouds, kinda like a distant island surrounded by water but could barely see distant land nearby

[north niche]

what's up with the darkness plant in aviary?

[lucid bridge]

I assume it will be utilized in a future quest. A future season, maybe.

[potent ibex]

what is the elder bird?

noticed someone used this on an image i posted and got curious

[reef pivot]

I wanna get into the lore for a project I am working on but am not sure where to really start 🤔 and debriefing on standard theories

[dense inlet]

Hello apologies for ping

Here's a sky moth lore doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit
You can check the pinned messages of #lore-discussion-spoilers for Sky lore resources

If you have any questions regarding Sky lore, feel free to ask here. Have fun and wishing you the best!

[reef pivot]

tysm

[reef pivot]

Are there larger consensuses about how the sky children came to earth? I've heard of concept art character but am unsure whether they are treated in the cannon. What goes and what does?

[forest hornet]

Can I ask if anyone has a higher quality version of this concept art or atleast a transcript of what it's even saying?

[past cargo]

artworks confirm that skykids having no fingers are an intentional design choice. even stew gains digits in art even though he's using the same model lol but the difference is steward isnt a skykid. storywise i think their hands are a result of them being clay figures and it makes more sense they'd be crafted with more basic and rudimentary shapes. i could be wrong and there are existing official art with skykids having fingers. i just don't see any with the patch updates

[spiral vault]

It's in the clouds, far above sea level

So it's so high that you can't see it from isle or home

[spiral vault]

Hopeful Steward is very close to a skykid, they have the same height, clothes, extinguished light at their chest, even the honk

[spiral vault]

There's a series of videos on sky lore, i can dm it to you

[reef pivot]

ty please do

[spiral vault]

"gravity" is the answer. The more complex question is why the sky children came to earth

Concept art isn't canon by itself, but it can be used as a supplementary point

[reef pivot]

is alef/the king illegitimatized?

[dense inlet]

the eden king has shown an appearance in both murals

1. in the vault elder cutscene - after showing the other six elders murals
2. a mural near the door that takes you to a part of eden where you can see a krill pass by in a cutscene (idk how to describe this lol)

idk what you mean by illegtimatized but if you mean if he's canon
i guess he is implied (?) to be in sky. correct me if im wrong

i've also read that the eden elder is no longer around to be saved. correct me if im wrong and all

[spiral vault]

"no longer around to be saved" is a euphemism for dead

[dense inlet]

everyone in sky is dead 😔

(im just joking around)

[past cargo]

i get the impression that skykids and the spirits are very similar but aren't the exact same species. their life cycles are different and skids are created by ||megabird|| solely

[spiral vault]

eden king is different, they're ultra-dead

there's no spirit or soul to be saved

[dense inlet]

rest in pieces, eden elder. its rlly not the best idea to create something that could end the civilization

(im just joking around dw. im not mad )

[spiral vault]

the hebrew names have never showed up in the canon and likely never will, but there is probably an "eden elder" given the naming schemes of the other elders, as well as stuff like the vault cutscene

[reef pivot]

Generally what I meant and it did answer my question so thanks.

[reef pivot]

I remember hearing a theory about how the king fragmented into all the sky children, am still trying to decipher the legitimacy of that

[spiral vault]

Apparently, the eden king has many similarities to "gaster" from a game called undertale

[spiral vault]

There's evidence for and against it; there's no clear answer for that

[dense inlet]

what do people think of the shiny boi u hug in the pity room/purgatory? ive read that its a message of one accepting both light and darkness in their being

while ive read that the shiny boi is resh/alef/eden king who will forever be in purgatory

[spiral vault]

It's one of the most talked about scenes

A similar event happens in the fnial shattering memory, right on top of the eden diamond, you see two "winged light" figures hugging

Right above that, there's a star like figure plummeting into the eden diamond, who's probably the eden king

My theory is similar to the first one you said, except for me, it's more about the constant inner light within a Skykid

[reef pivot]

im guessing it is probably the prince

if they are incorporating components of concept art material it is either a character un-introduced or some successor directly tied to eden but not the king as the king is symbolically linked directly to eden, whilst the prince could exist as some middle ground between orbit (life) and eden (death) ergo purgatory.

[spiral vault]

I heavily doubt the prince and king are separate characters, just different eras of the same character

[reef pivot]

I think they sort of have to be, succession of land, cultures, and principles is a massive theme looking at the world of sky

[dense inlet]

i think the prince and king are the same characters. my reasoning is that alef changed his name to resh when he became king to indicate his change of role or smth. yea this is more of a headcanon

[spiral vault]

Also, has anyone seen the two embers page? There was an interview with some very interesting things, even if it may not entirely become true

[dense inlet]

ohh i havent seen that. is it in the official sky website where the others can see sky news there?

[spiral vault]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

At the bottom, there's a link to an interview, where it's said that the show is about two people, one of them "seeks power to change the world, but is corrupted and destroyed". The other one "tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power".

It then says one of them becomes a king, but it's ambiguous as to which

In the trailers, we see two children. The bald child (who looks very similar to the Prophecy murals one) and the manatee child (whos hair is similar to hopeful steward)

However, it's still ambiguous

[north niche]

i feel like it might not be exclusive. if Jenova Chen was explaining it like "[it follows a] 'the boy becomes a king' [narrative arc]" it could allow for each of the two characters stories to run parallel, and it seems that it might have a pre-shattering and post-shattering timeline? from what I remember we only see Stewie-hair in decrepit or chaotic environments (GW Shipwreck, Eden after the red light)

[reef pivot]

What is the name of the cat in the TGC office secret area?

[cold sparrow]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Oreo

[reef pivot]

the cat?

[cold sparrow]

or wait right, there's a cat... idk if that one has a name

[waxen ermine]

Mimi!

[quiet monolith]

what theres a cat? huhh i thought it was just oreo, got any pics of it?

[devout forum]

was GW always a desert even before dark invasion?

[tight badger]

Mimi -
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures#Neutral_Creatures

[waxen ermine]

Found this mural in a building at Crescent Oasis, it’s different than the outside mural

Not sure, but is this based on the real life mural?

Whoops Discord sent them backwards

Yep, this is the only image I can find of the full mural

[devout forum]

lel

[south saddle]

most likely- it's done in a style that seems to be purposefully mimicking an irl version (probably the one you mentioned). im fascinated by how what appears to be an alternate collection of spirits, and how that and the entirety of the season fit into the canon lore

okay thats off topic from what I came here for- I wanted to ask, what purpose does the eden elder serve in the lore? how do they fit into it? what do we know, and why is there so little information/lore on them?

[waxen ermine]

They’re the king of the Sky world, who got corrupted by greed
He was scrapped from the game but we still see hints of him, like the prophecy murals, the Eden mural

[upbeat notch]

And all the statues in golden wasteland

[upbeat notch]

Also THE SLUG EVOLVED (Sources:https://youtu.be/howdCE7uy4k?si=905fAqhgbQS0xDK4 https://youtu.be/V3qiNGTEi1M?si=A328-UmQVhGse-3m)

From the first Video to the second Video

[south saddle]

I know that much, but is there anything deeper to it, i meant

[spiral vault]

I heavily doubt the show takes place post-shattering, since we don't see the eden diamond anywhere

Maybe we'll see the construction and breaking of the eden diamond

[dire night]

Didnt even knew this existed 😮 i just went to go look at it in game 😄

[dire night]

How deep? Like what he symbolizes or what his role in sky actually was. Idk how to anwser, that its so vauge?

[south saddle]

his purpose in the lore as an elder and whatnot, his history with the other elders, that kind of thing

[dire night]

As far as we know he was raised by the Isle elder, and was taught and trained by them all. Eventually they all had him made King.

[devout forum]

any knowledge about the dark whale?

[light minnow]

The what?

[north niche]

the leviathan?

[spiral vault]

and the vault elder cutscene

[spiral vault]

I think they were raised by the 2 isle spirits: rejecting voyager and ushering stargazer

@south saddle I know a video about the eden elder if you want to see it

[south saddle]

thank you, seeing the video would be nice

[dreamy juniper]

The channel name says "spoilers" but spoilers for what?

[south saddle]

spoilers for lore, eden, rebirth, seasons, etc
anything that a new player might not know or want to know yet

[upbeat notch]

Wait I can Post spoilers for seasons here?

(If they are lore related ofc)

[devout forum]

The dark whale that has a lot of red eyes dont u know him??

[urban flint]

Ah
Krill King?

[devout forum]

whats that?

[devout forum]

maybe? it only exist in treasure reef and when u complete final quest of treasure reef dark whale gets u and the spirit then u burn a manta after that a horde of fish comes out of his mouth

[urban flint]

Yup Krill King

Only knowledge we have about him is from murals

If I remember they are underwater?

[devout forum]

yes they're under water

[urban flint]

It seens they did experiments

We don't know if they were to make creatures to fight

Or they just took away light from manta eggs which later because of darkness changed into dark dragons

But since leviathan is so big he must have been from unique egg
Or been experimented a lot on before he hatched

Sorry i'm not sure if my words are correct

[jovial plume]

lore wise what is aurora to us is she mother or someone/thing else ?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[dreamy juniper]

Me looking around for who asked

[light minnow]

Ok yeah I was wondering if you meant him but i had doubts because he's a bit big for a whale

[devout forum]

aurora is just a season plus shes a real person and all the songs u heard are REAL so theres really nothing to talk about her in lore

[jovial plume]

i know shes a singer but lore wise can i just call her mother spirit

[devout forum]

ye

[upbeat notch]

Ok but I mean shes still in the game tho

And she dropped important lore in her concert

[devout forum]

yes yes the GW fight

[oblique spoke]

Hey, I wonder do we have any discussion about the Elders?
Idk if its me, or their hebrew-based-names were given with a hidden message.

Like King Resh (ר) & Prince Alef/Aleph (א), 1 person yea, but 2 names
Staying alone, Resh (ר) means head, leader and beginning, and the symbol of choosing between greatness and degradation.
While Aleph (א) indicates the oneness and unity of the Creator (which is ofc the first letter of the alphabet). Represents the creation of something from nothing, the symbol of beginnings and ultimate reality that cannot be talked about
And Eden, the red place, idk why but it reminds me of fire, of Shin (ש) so...... if we write Rash (רש), we have "poor"
But if we put Aleph (א) in that "poor" Rash (רש), we have Rosh (ראש) meaning the firstness, oneness, and eternity of the creator

Meaning in the absolute power & highness of the King, we have Poor, which we can see from the lore of Sky - the once glory Sky kingdom is now sinking into the long lost darkness,....

[devout forum]

but thats not important 😎

[celest birch]

What will TGC do with this area now ...? 🤔

[oblique spoke]

left it abandoned in cobwebs

[celest birch]

Imagine it would be redone so that we can access Starlight Desert and Crescent Oasis. Or have spirits from there inhabit it. 🤭

[inland cliff]

I feel like the skykids are built in a way that they can never hurt anything nor anything can hurt them

It's related to how skykids supposedly lack all kinds of sense except touching and feeling (physically and mentally). They can only channel emotions through masks and their bodies are almost in-penetrable except for corruption that forms crystals on skykids that make them walk slower. It's like they were made specifically to be like that

[inland cliff]

It would be preserved until cosmetics from season of Aviary returns
We'll just have to wait for what they'll do when shattering returns lol

[oblique spoke]

what if the sky people werent meant to talk using languages like human, but instead via honking ?

A small detail, if you notice in the Aviary, the white cape one, you can only be able to talk/interact with them via the same honk as theirs….. like this record clip I have

[inland cliff]

By sky people do you mean skykids or ancestors as well?
Since I still believe the ancestors do communicate with language, at least not until they became spirits

But skykids communicate through honks is very logical since it relates to animals in real life communicate with calls n gestures, our skykids being hybrid of ancestors and creatures, we have a human vessel but can only convey with honks and emotes

[oblique spoke]

Don’t you think honking is their language? What’s the point of having multiple types of honk, when you can use the primary human-based honking.

And by ancestor, i think, it’s simply the light, or starlight.
In the Isle of Dawn’s narration, it mentioned
“All are given breath by starlight. The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars.”
“………
Beyond this gate is a temple, where Elders once shephered spirits back to the stars……..”

“The stars were once united and our light was infinite.
The first of us descended to build a Kingdom in the clouds.
……………….
Go forth child. Return your light to our fallen stars” — Aviary’s narration.

[inland cliff]

All the other honks are animal calls so I don't think they communicate with that

Plus it's hard to believe a civilisation was built with people who communicate only through calls

[oblique spoke]

Indeed, but they arent quite a human, are they? They are somewhat partially human….. spirit it is, or even before “spiritify”. In the end of the day, they are descended from light. They share the same ancestor as ours, the sky children/sky kids.
And magic exists, so I wouldn’t suprise if we have telepathy ability since born

[waxen ermine]

Honks are sounds they can make (grandma seems to do it a lot, but she also does things through emotes, like the “No thanks” gesture)

But they can definitely speak, the spirits in Little Prince Season all have dialogue, as well as the spirits in the office

So they can speak but they choose not to, probably because it’s less effort to honk or use emotes

[waxen ermine]

This is a fun thing in the aviary, if you do an emote to a person who taught you the emote, they will have responses

Like bowing to the bowing guy, he’ll bow back
Or if you faint next to the fainted guy, the camera will tilt up above both of you

[oblique spoke]

correct, but if you honk with a different call, he wont response. In this case, you can say that either he doesn't understand, or hes a narcisstic teacher that wont answer if his student gives him different question

[waxen ermine]

He taught you the spirit manta call, he will only respond with spirit manta call

[wild karma]

You can levitate fish out of the water with the levitating adept

[upbeat notch]

Lol poor fish

[glossy mica]

Does anyone have any reccomendations for a good lore video?

[mild aurora]

https://youtu.be/btBdJSj45_8?feature=shared

This one explains it the lore pretty well

https://youtu.be/hP5Y6fBNqLI?feature=shared

Or this one for a shorter explanation

[dire night]

Yeah the videos on skys lore are very lackluster. Hopefully in the future we'll get a better one 🙏

[leaden onyx]

Hello lore chat any ideas on why the wl in the final shard memory looks like this?

[north niche]

powerfully reminiscent of what I think people are calling the pity room(?) where you hug the winged light before orbit.
maybe those two were working to protect the diamond from whatever spear shaped thing appears to be coming down on the diamond in that moment.
or maybe they are part of a larger light being who was shattered too. if we assume they're "part of the scene" rather than just a quest reward, that would explain why they're significantly smaller than the elders in that moment

granted the elders are pretty huge, but I feel like everything is bigger in the void of shattering rooms

[spiral vault]

Here are some:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf2e1qeBJTFBzJTmvVxrxpLvxOtXH2ttE&si=mdUbg4-uOvOWraiA

[arctic sphinx]

Is anyone have theory about why there's war in Wasteland?

[celest birch]

I´m totally on par with these 2 being a part of the bigger light being that got shattered when the Diamond went kablooey ... that being the King, that is, as it does also bring to mind the Twin Embers as well.

[celest birch]

Civil war, as based off AURORA concert and the differently-marked shields you find in Battlefield. People supporting darkstone-technology VS people supporting the freed light + light creatures.

[waxen ermine]

Interestlingly, Wasteland elder has a sun shield

[celest birch]

Yeah and you can find another one like that in Battlefield as well (the very first one you see?) together with at least one diamond-marked shield more towards the fortress-building.

[waxen ermine]

Sun shields face outwards from the temple (protecting the temple)
And diamond shields face towards the temple (attacking the temple)

[celest birch]

Given the previous place (Graveyard), this kind of makes sense as well, like darkstone-supporting people managed to get a firm foothold there and thus pushing the light-supporting group towards the area where the Elder is (it would also support the spear directions we can see fired upon Seed of Hope in AURORA quest found in the Battlefield) into pretty much one last stand.

Which does make me think that Seed of Hope´s horrific injury probably stems from the suspicion that he didn´t take sides in the war at all; everyone that is injured needs assistance, be it a darkstone-supporter or a light-supporter.

Of course, given the Krill in the Battlefield and how they´re blocked from progressing by a grate, I´d say that at the end, there was no winner because well ... both sides destroyed themselves.

[waxen ermine]

Something I just remembered
Wounded Warrior has the symbol of the king on his… cape thing? What you call the shawl he wears in the front

And his friend was holding a sun shield

Does it mean the sun side was protecting the king?

[celest birch]

All soldier-like spirits have that diamond-symbol on their chest; by this point I´d say it more marks the Wasteland Elder than their side´s support; defo need to look at the shield more than what they wear on their torsos.

I´d more say that the light-supporters were guarding the Vault itself rather than the King, so that darkstone-supporters wouldn´t destroy the valuable memory lanterns, kind of like protecting a library from ones trying to destroy it due to their assumption that it keeps "forbidden knowledge".

[waxen ermine]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sky-children-of-the-light/images/d/d8/Remembrance-Spirit-Wounded-Warrior.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20230128231528

Not the diamond symbol, the king symbol

(Sorry had to wait for slowdown)

[arctic sphinx]

I wonder what king do in that situation

[celest birch]

Oh, ok; in that case I can totally see him be either one of the soldiers or even one of the King´s Guards that deserted.

Which would make sense why would he (a deserter) and his friend (a light-supporter) be attacked even at the market stall.

[muted salmon]

I was actually wondering if the WL in the elder shard memory is like that, maybe that's the prince

[frosty rampart]

In which realm do you think the next season is gonna be? Vote with the emoji ,pls don't reply

[waxen ermine]

Saw the hints and I’m dying, they’re reminiscent of memes and also, Sky spirits have zodiacs?

I guess it makes sense, they are star stuff

[dire night]

Lmao 🤣 , also i think the zodiacs match their personalities in some way. I know almost nothing about Zodiacs but maybe someone can explain what those 2 things mean? 🤔

Also i saw some sneak peaks of the Sky artbook on Insta, and i think the natural occuring light that slowly faded we read of in concept timelines are called embers. This is just a theory tho, but i personally think it matches the natural occuring lights.

[celest birch]

Good Lord, that´s close to the Eden Mountain (Coliseum)!

[celest birch]

I did discover this one though. Maybe there is a deserter?

[dire night]

Hey the lore channel is a bit slow. How about we do something fun 🙂
Lets post one of our outfits and make up some lore to explain why they look that way.

[upbeat notch]

I assume we alredy talked enough about corrupt Sky kids so Ima not post that lol

[dire night]

So here is a character that i imagine growing up. Give me some cool reasons as to why this type of change could have occurred. No wrong anwsers. Just have fun with it 🙂

[gloomy mural]

Th-an, the legendary krill rider
Th-an was a moth like any other when he was little: joyful and filled with desire to explore. One day he stumbled into land like no other, with cliffs high as the sky itself. He climbed the tallest cliff and flew off only to find himself struggling to stay in air. As his struggle came to and end, he plummeted from the clouds towards the ground. With the ground before him he closed his eyes and braced for the impact. As he fell hard, he fell onto the back of a krill, a krill that was chasing a moth trough the wasteland. When Th-an fell, he disrupted the krill, giving the moth an opportunity to escape. He will forever be known as a hero of our age. An urban legend. The one and only legendary krill rider.

[dire night]

😮 holy moly that is good

[gloomy mural]

[dire night]

Also im wondering did you get that name from the last letters of mine? 🤔 Or is it just me overanalyzing it? 😅

[gloomy mural]

@dire nightyea xD needed a good name so took last part of yours and split it xD sounds good tho

[stoic narwhal]

Why are the butterflies black sometimes? Is it part of the story or something?

[gloomy mural]

@stoic narwhalthat is very much a bug

[stoic narwhal]

Oh okay

[dire night]

Yeah if you do a Aurora quest the butterflies will turn black till you restart the game.

[pastel brook]

I run from the liars, the fuel on the Trial of Fire

[stoic narwhal]

Oh okay thanks

[upbeat notch]

I was just thinking: in the Golden Wasteland there was this war between light and darkness right? And that took place infront of the entrance of the vault of knowledge right?

But which side was the one that was the defending the vault of knowledge?

[cold sparrow]

not so much light and darkness
more of a civil war between people of the kingdom
specifics are vague on purpose by how Sky tells its stories, but it's likely been between the suffering population and workers, vs an oppressive, exploitative system and its loyal followers

[dire night]

I think its most likely that the Dark side was guarding the entrance to the vault as it was the only way to get to eden. My guess is the light side wanted to stop the King's plans to create the giant Darkstone. So the king ordered the Wasteland Elder and his forces to gaurd the entrance until he was done with the Darkstone.

I don't see a real reason as to why the light side would gaurd the entrance to the vault. It would realistically not make much sense.

[spiral vault]

The Wasteland Elder is in the shattering memory, all of them are there. Also, they brandish the light side shield

[dire night]

Yeah i have explored that specific memory a lot. I might have missed it, but i could swear the wasteland elder and the praire elder wasn't there. Might have to go in game sometime to confirm. Sorry if im wrong tho 😅

[dire night]

Ok so i went to go look and i have missed them. They are like perfectly obscured by the shadows 🤣 My bad

Also here is a better view i went to get off of the wiki

[dire night]

I think that is supposed to represent how the Elder switched sides after he got killed. This is just my opinion tho, but i do think it makes a lot of sense.

The King was the head of the Darkstone side which made the elders be on his side automatically. It seems they only realized how corrupted his plan was when it was too late.

[spiral vault]

I don't think after they got killed, maybe sometime around the war. Remember, all the elders were there to stop the diamond. there's even a light shield in Eden. By the time the eden diamond exploded, the dark side was already losing or lost

[dire night]

Yeah thats why i said they only switches sides when it was too late 🙂

[spiral vault]

rip to that guy who posted screenshots

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, that was me XD
Idk why it was deleted
I’ll try again once the cooldown finishes

[dire night]

What was it about? 🤔

[waxen ermine]

Nothing new,
Just angles of the king’s head in that one memory

Reminder that this closely matches the corrupt king’s head upside down
The inner dark shadow has a collision (as in you bounce off it when flying towards it), so that might be his body?

Also, the light gray part is his mask, meaning he has an elongated pointy head from what we can see at the back

Would’ve tried to get more but I ran out of light reaching him multiple times
Also noticed the two winged lights on top don’t recharge you, but it’s probably a game oversight rather than lore

Also, two images of the winged lights of that helps anything, idk
The hair(?) kind of reminds me of the prince in the two embers trailer but maybe it’s nothing

[real sentinel]

I've always found them interesting because they're the only winged light that don't face the sky. Instead, it's two children comforting each other, probably waiting for their end to come

[upbeat notch]

Tbh this confuses me tho on what Winged Lights acctualy are

[waxen ermine]

They said it’s imprints of someone, what if it’s imprints of the prince?

Maybe he travelled all around the world, and you know how the murals show him at the end of each prophecy trial triumphant and shining golden
Guess what you also find at the end of each prophecy trial… winged lights

Maybe at the Eden place, he was walking around in his halls so much, contemplating being a future king or something

[upbeat notch]

but then how would he embrace himself like in the picture?

[waxen ermine]

Note that it only gives you one winged light when clicking on it

It may mean someone else was hugging him

[upbeat notch]

sooo I guess the timeline is that he did everything ever before this winged light and then died here?

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, probably

He was probably dying, having returned to kid form (or whatever happens when you’re in the dark void)
And maybe the second ember found him and comforted him

The past and the future meeting, something like that

Oh and he’s probably stuck in the Eden diamond forced to hug people over and over
(Because when you die in Eden, you get the golden boy who ascends you, when you die outside of Eden, it’s just a regular winged light)

[upbeat notch]

I mean...that doesnt sound THAT bad

[waxen ermine]

I guess he’s forced to be stuck in this kind of purgatory or something? Maybe
Ah well, free hugs

[upbeat notch]

Oh...I just read through a fandom wiki and it says that the Devs also call Winged lights "Imprints of children of light" so I guess they are sorta moments that acctualy happend, just not the princes moments (That fandom wiki: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_Light)

[waxen ermine]

Ohhh that’s who the imprints were of, oops

[upbeat notch]

I mean the only thing you got "wrong" was that the winged lights are only from the Prince. they are from every child of light which technically includes the prince so your were acctualy alredy correct by alot

[waxen ermine]

Ohhhh! I see

We can conclude that the winged lights in the prophecy trials were definitely left by him

[upbeat notch]

Ya

[waxen ermine]

Speaking of kids, in that one trailer, they all seem to be on a bus, with a teacher(?), he gives me teacher vibes
He tried to get them to settle down but couldn’t and kinda gave up LOL

I wonder if they all get sent to school, which is either the prophecy trial or the passage stuff

[upbeat notch]

Seems like elementary school trip by the sounds the Kids make and how the teacher doesnt care that much about order: They are just kids after all and kids be chaotic

[waxen ermine]

I find it funny that the prince falls from the sky, and the two spirits who stumble upon him have no clue what to do with him and just send him off to school
(And yes this does happen after their parting, the woman spirit gives him a brooch before they hug goodbye, and then he’s wearing the brooch in the (school bus))

[upbeat notch]

isekai lol

[waxen ermine]

“You may have fallen from the sky, but you’re a child, and all children must go to school”

[upbeat notch]

Especially nobody minds "Oh we got one child to much on the flight bus? Oh well"

[waxen ermine]

Though it seems harsh about where they’re going to school.. the prophecy murals show all the failed participants laying face down (which may mean death, they used it to show the dead people in the scrapped murals of abyss)

[upbeat notch]

Tbh it seemd more like they were going to the Prairi elder then the trials

[waxen ermine]

Remember, the isle had grass back then so it could’ve been that, but I’ll check the trailer again

This is definitely isle but it seems they’re going to the isle elder’s temple

[dire night]

I still believe the WL to be imprints of the dead skykids in eden. We see them all in places that could be explored by the Skykids with exception to the Voids and the wingbuffs in orbit(although i think that is purely for gameplay and not indicative of the actual lore). I think it fills the holes more than any other theory but you are free to have a different opinion.

[waxen ermine]

Makes sense to me

[upbeat notch]

aslong as they are just imprints and not sky kid spirits I agree

[waxen ermine]

Isn’t this the bus teacher waving the kids off while they’re going through the prophecy caves? Or am I not looking at it right

[dire night]

I doubt he is forever stuck there. I think he got out the first time but he is still there for gameplay purposes.

[waxen ermine]

Makes sense

[dire night]

Yeah, as i said the imprints are from all the skykids in eden, with the Prince's imprint being the one we hug in Eden.

Btw sorry if this sounds all out of context im going through all the chats 😅

[upbeat notch]

Btw hugs are one of the fastes way to recharge light, I wonder if that has some sort of connection to the fact that we hug the prince to get our light back

[waxen ermine]

Oh yeah I remember the concept art mentioning the prince stays behind inside the king after he rescues you, so probably intentional, not gameplay

[upbeat notch]

Its fine I do the same

[dire night]

You have to take in mind that those are normal kids not skykids. Skykids only started to roaming the earth after the kingdom fell, with exception to the Prince/King

[waxen ermine]

You think in his attempt to suck light from the stars, he ended up sucking down Sky kids instead?
Which is why Sky kids come down here in the first place, because the faulty Eden diamond?

[dire night]

I mean they could most likely be souls as we do revive the skykids after returning them. Thats why only their souls went to eden while leaving their body behind. I think its pretty obvious but be free to disagree.

[dire night]

Probably. He was probably to weak to escape the void so when we finally were able to give him enough strength to escape with the rest of the skykids.

[upbeat notch]

When we die in eden an other people are there we watch them in a Form of a blue ball simular to when we go through ancestor memories and the memory moves to a differnt place

[dire night]

Eh i doubt it. The skykids seem to have come a loooong time after the falling of the stars.

[waxen ermine]

True

[upbeat notch]

I wonder, how much time past since the first sky kids appeard and modern day?

[dire night]

That i think is also just for gameplay. We never see that mechanic anywhere else in the game. The closest we something else like that in game is probably the carryballs

[waxen ermine]

Oh something I just remembered
You know how Sky kids souls are blue, when their body explodes?

I don’t know if this was always a feature (I was a solo player for a long time) but now that I have friends, when they go home, they transform into the blue light which flies off
Like the same way

It kind of reminds me of ancestors yeeting off

[upbeat notch]

So when they teleport home they turn into blue light?

[waxen ermine]

Yup, and it speeds off

[dire night]

How do you mean? I think im slow😅

[upbeat notch]

Same cause when my friends go home they just despawn

[waxen ermine]

Well, without the violent explosion, when the player disappears clicking the “Go Home” button (literally anywhere)
They appear as the blue soul, which quickly flies away

I guess it’s a new feature then

[dire night]

They do?

[waxen ermine]

Yup! I’ll show you but kinda busy right now