lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

I think she represents a character that does exist, in one way or another

Reminds me of the little prince in a way

[carmine coral]

Do the elders have names??

[sharp lichen]

From Alasdair:

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

The devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day or Daylight
Forest – Rain
Valley– Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk 
Vault – Night

[carmine coral]

Ohhhh im tryna Write a fanfic one this game but my limited understanding of the lore is KILLING me. Thank you sm!!

[sharp lichen]

The best answer is to ask Aurora, after all, she worked with TGC for years to make sure her appearance was faithful, but it can never be as easy that

[nimble ingot]

Where did you get this?

[lethal rock]

i drew it

that’s why i was asking if it fits to the world of sky. I’m looking for a critique

[cold sparrow]

ohhh might be good to make that more clear
I genuinely thought that was some early sky dev concept art that I just didn't come across before
it's definitely a cool concept! I think you need to find a different name for it than 'the light' (as in "calm the light", because that term tends to refer to the assembly of light and memories up in orbit, and not some antagonistic entity

[nimble ingot]

It got my interesting thinking it might be lore, lol.

It has a unique feel the game does not have.
It has more a dungeon feel with the level and quest/mission.
And the environment feels a bit more modern but still sky-esque.

Almost like forest tech meets wasteland's industrial/war theme and more darkstone.

I take that you drew inspiration from Tom Zhao's style with darkstone tech and old portal/structure designs.

[nimble ingot]

The calm the light aspect makes me thing the diamond light coukd have been a turret sjykids needed to disable by getting close enoigh to cleanse the diamond with their light.

[cold sparrow]

that's what I'm thinking
If it's some sort of ancient machinery, perhaps calling it something like a drone or warden or a keeper would fit better

[nimble ingot]

Skykids in combat (if any) would be in deep trouble in the range department. That is, unless you can hurl a skykid hard and fast enough like a molatof cocktail.

But if the game were to include battles in some way. It would be cool if skykids needed to get close enough to something in order to disable it.
Because that would make for a unique battle system that does not focus on damage, but has strategy. Defeating something does not mean to kill it, but help by cleansing it.

Almost like burning dark plants, but they can fight back, lol.

[cold sparrow]

Imagine skykids having to lure a creature like a krill into an obstacle to 'defeat it'
have a krill bang its head against an ancient bell three times for it to be stunned

[edgy kernel]

or maybe capture one by leading it into a cage or something so you can blast it with light, heh

[nimble ingot]

New season quest unlocked!

Skykids have to lure a dark creature into a trap. While trying not to get themselves hurt in the process while it rampages.

Once trapped, they have to cleanse the creature with burning the corrupted dark stone.

Now, bonus points if this would be a krill. 0.0

[lethal rock]

ah noted! xD But yeah, i agree with you! i was going for the dark stone that you see in hidden forest. like the ones that when you active them it’ll restore the broken bell towers. but bigger.
and something something, it’s corrupted artificial so ”healing it” with the organic yellow candle light. So i wasn’t sure what to call it. I hope my ramblings makes sense lol

[ionic delta]

Wow I just noticed it!
||After full 2 years...||

[cold sparrow]

hmmmm maybe just 'charge it with your light'? 'purge the corruption with your flame'?

[lethal rock]

omg yeah i took heavy inspiration from the hidden forrest, so glad it shows :’D

and yeah i had toms work on another screen while i did these.

i was super inspired by the city consepts he did. and also with the art style itself.

[edgy kernel]

id love for a whole season about dark creatures, maybe trying to learn about em or attempt helping them

i know about krill, crabs, the plants, and the leviathan, are there any others?
atleast on the world map i've seen that krills might have different sizes

( also i wont lie i thought you dug up some old concept art, the only thing that initially threw me off was "fire trial style" because i dont think that would have been out yet )

[ionic delta]

Speaking of krill sizes, in one of memory of spirit in season of abyss (Uh idk the name but they wear hat, There is a small/baby krill, I have a doubt that Krill was a light creature (i heard or read from someone)

[lethal rock]

getting new ideas to draw from this

[edgy kernel]

oh you're right, i remember that fella they were swimmin in the water and were pretty small

I cant remember if the cutscene had two different sizes, gonna go check that one out again

[lethal rock]

thank you all so much for the feed back! It really helps me to see what could work and what doesn’t! and it means alot to me that people see it worth the time to analyze my work.

[ionic delta]

If every creature (both light and dark) have their small version.., What about leviathan?

[edgy kernel]

ahh ok i was wrong about the multiple sizes, but heres the little mini fella

[lethal rock]

him looking like a shrip in this one

[edgy kernel]

i would maybe think that one's a relatively young one, considering the area under abyss maaybe could be where some of em came from, before getting bigger from eating a whole lot of light and moving to wasteland and beyond

[nimble ingot]

There is, yes.
Spirit was Anxious Angler.

and there are other smaller krills seen in the seed of hope quest memory.

[ionic delta]

Aaa so that's the name ty

[dusk cosmos]

my friend i got into the game turns out played this years ago
what's this talk about ||darkkin where ya eat the light?||

[lethal rock]

sorry, what do you mean? can you rewrite that question differently?

[dusk cosmos]

My friend played Sky years ago when it first came out with a bunch of other people
they never stayed on it however they do remember some things from back then

where you're a "dark kin" or "dark kid" that eats chunks of light from "light kins"
was wondering if there is more info on that?

[dusk cosmos]

hope this is good?

they also mentioned that you could die from the light kins if they got bright enough

||and the ending had the dark kin turning INTO a light kin after giving all the light they ate to help people||

[lethal rock]

hmmmm do you mean the krills? the big dark shrip looking things on the sky?
Or the cutscene after eden where your sky kid is split in two making one dark and one light version of themselves?

[lethal rock]

i am having hard time to understand completely but that could also be just me not comprehending english that well.

[lethal rock]

Omg! Now I get it! Yeah, I’m 99% sure you’re talking about Eden.

[dusk cosmos]

no my friend told me in the past you use to play as a dark child
like

WAY years ago during beta before sky fully came out

[lethal rock]

What your describing is a big part of the game. And the whole idea behind it is, all what you do in this game is to help those who are stuck in eden. And you by collecting the light that gives you more flight power are given back to the lost souls/ stars when tou go there. and after your sacrifice you get to be reborn.

[lethal rock]

oh alright :0 if it’d before the lauch of the game 2019 whatever it may have been, most likely isn’t canon anymore.

[dusk cosmos]

I know, but i found it interesting

that you could as a darkkin eat the light off people and if you end up eating too muc hthey burn ya, sounded interesting

[lethal rock]

that does sound really cool. If you or your friend find any screenshots or anything related to this post them here. I would love to see it.

[dusk cosmos]

i didn't play it, and my friend played it again, three to four yearsa go

[static zephyr]

Ok guys
Question for the week
Outside of game design why do you guys think the seasonal guide’s stay behind??

[slate saddle]

ok, I'm not story expert but I understand the mission with our sky kid mc restoring light to the elders' constellations but I feel like there's more I'm not understanding, so what's the lore in a nutshell?

[static zephyr]

Ok Eden spoilers ahead but

||when we get to the point of no return we basically sacrifice ourselves in order to save the other sky kids which sums that up in a nutshell without spoiling to many things||

[raw moon]

Like why they don't ascend compared to the other seasonal spirits? At first I thought they were actually still alive, like the lone survivors of the season, but later I found out they they too were ancestors. This is a headcannon or like a little mini theory, but perhaps their will to help the other spirits who's wishes/things they didn't get to do when they were living, was so strong that they didn't ascend, and they are just kind of the caretaker of the area now

[static zephyr]

Makes since but I thought that same but as well as taking care of the area they also help guide other spirits as well

[devout storm]

I just realized that all npc are dead, i thought they were just spirit beings but i guess they used to have flesh… we are the only ones with physical body.

[silk inlet]

when I started the game I always thought we as players were on a different plane of existence in the same world. like we are in the real world of Sky in real time but on the spiritual plane, so the people couldn't see us and why we only see the spirits of people who have been temporarily trapped on the ground. if that makes sense

[cold sparrow]

I think your friend is either pulling your leg, or misremembering things. Playing as a dark skykid that consumes others was never part of the gameplay. We've always been beings of light. Sometimes WE lose our light, and sometimes it seems like WE consume light.

Maybe your friend is thinking of when we collect Winged Light?

[dusk cosmos]

maybe, but they also said they remember there being proper text on the wall talking about the story n stuff and wasn't chuffed it was removed
they actually seem deadset on it being a thing too

[languid estuary]

Have you ever wondered what those skulls in second part of wasteland are from? Because they are MASSIVE

I mean my best guess is whale but still...

[cold sparrow]

Memories are fallible. I really think his memory is mixing things up/maybe mixing different games together.

There actually is some text - not on the walls, but if you light up the murals in the cave in Isle of Dawn, some more info is given in the captions. (I believe that some of this text may have been changed, I remember seeing something like that mentioned, but I can't find a good video or anything showing how it once was.)

That said, you've never been a kid of darkness consuming others.

This is a scene from the Isle of Dawn gameplay - video posted in 2019, the gameplay may be even older, not too sure - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbdr5_AnCU
Here is a video of the Isle of Dawn gameplay from Light Awaits - the version of Sky before the official release https://youtu.be/62wtz8Ev1lU

They might be thinking of Little Nightmares maybe, or just some fun fan concepts or whatever.

[dusk cosmos]

I will say I did find an original teaser of Sky where instead of orangy cream clothing their clothes were straght dark black like when you have no light
maybe they remember that as the main part?

[hushed steeple]

Best guess is that there sky megafauna remains ( giant creatures like the whales and the elder manta)
In our current era there are only 4 remaining in total, but there were curtainly way more in the past

It has been strated in the concept art that sceletal remains are the resoult of unatural deaths, and endeed there is much in the old lore that speaks of the conflict between light creatures and the ancesters dureing the war era

[sharp lichen]

No, that’s not true at all.

It’s worth nothing that in all versions of the game, once your light runs out, your body extinguishes and turns dark until you receive light

[hushed steeple]

I know people usually dont want to bring up the concept art too much, but in this case it is far too consistent with the curent lore and what we see in the game to be ignored

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[hushed steeple]

That is true.
Even as far back as the concept art phase, a dark sky kid was never a thing

[sharp lichen]

I think it depends on a case-by- case basis

Some are obvious, Hopeful Steward wants to see the new area get restored

And the Passage Guide wants to help the children, like they did with the Passage spirits

[potent rune]

Hello! Will the spirit traveler be a "Weasel"?

[lyric imp]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopomp

[sharp lichen]

Let’s hope and pray

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, I never considered that🤔
But if you think about it, it really is an exelant way of thinking about it☺️
Hopefully further deacussion is made useing this in mind

[nimble ingot]

(late reply)

During development of the game, when it was called Sky:Light Awaits, there was at one point where players started out with their skykids darkened.

Meaning they had no light of their own, a child of darkness, that finds a bird of light that guided them. They eventually get blessed with light (either by an elder, a spirit, a child of light or a statue that offered a piece of light. The devs went through a few versions).

They become skykids (or a child of light, I suppose) and continue their journey through the realms.

[nimble ingot]

There were old theories in the lorechat that suggested they could have been a massive light creature called a Whurtle.

A whale-Turtle hybrid based on the skulls resembling a turtle skull and their massive size.

[nimble ingot]

There were concept art of possible skykid like creatures.

It is unclear whether the current lore would ellaborate on that part of the lore. As there are subtle hints at skykids who were struck with darkness.

The few clues I have seen were the statues just outside of the point of no return tunnel in eden. The one that crumble away from the wind or have blue darkstone embedded in them.
These crystal sharded bodies were there before the update of skykids getting shards themselves.

It woukd be interesting to see more lore about these children of darkness in Sky.
If they exist at all after the changes since the old lore from Light Awaits

[nimble ingot]

It is possible.
It is best to check the #news for the new ts to be announced/teased

(Got Haunted by SkyBot - No not the candles! )

[hushed steeple]

Admitadly the conversation was not about sky kids being different creatures at some point in development, but rather the idea of "dark" sky hids, as in sky kids that are creatures of darness that consume other light creatures. Someone clamed before that a friend remembers playing such a veraion of the game where this was a thing😅

[nimble ingot]

Pardon the confusion.

I meant that skykids (the player) used to start as a "child of darkness" and they are given light and they become skykids (or possibly a child a of light).
I recall an old playthrough video with an interview of the devs explaining while the video showed skykids waking up in Dawn (home island was not a thing yet at the time).

If I am not mistaken, a youtuber called Tara had videos showing this in an update in Light Awaits.

I did not mean that skykids were different creatures.
Skykids are a hybrid of dark and light.
A dark kid is simpky a skykid without light.
Concept art of them did show different designs of the character. I believe the devs did intend for the player to be skykids in the game from the start.

That said.
This friend's story may be true.
Though we dont have proof other than Rabbit saying this.

[hushed steeple]

I think you better read the conversation that I will not reply to next😅
Im too sleepy now to disuss things proparly

[nimble ingot]

tbf same.
I just wanted to share the tidbit about old light awaits features.

I'll read it over again.

[hushed steeple]

I think your friend might have confused or missremembered some things😅

[nimble ingot]

To be clear on the dark kids eating light part.
I did not want to respond on that detail because I dont know if that would be a thing in the game.

There was never a time, that I am aware of, where skykids could become corrupted in the game.
At least not to the point where they could drain light from another skykid.
Even as dark kids, they couldn't harm other skykids.

My best guess is the devs may not add the ability to directly harm another skykid. As that would go against the core of the game with helping one another and connecting.

[hushed steeple]

Quite true
Wish I could talk more, but I have to go to bed😅

[nimble ingot]

No worries.
I appreciate the discussion and dont mind if you like to come back to this a different time.

Rest well, viksa

Pivoting a bit.
The enemies in the game are not truly evil. The krill may be very dangerous and they relentlessly hunt light creatures.

The game does explain they hunger for light. Jenova did confirm they are corrupted. Which means they were not always like that.

How they became corrupted is not clear in the game. There were however theories that lead to dark dragons being corrupted in the storm. Possibly in the explosion of the eden diamond shattering.

[ionic delta]

We love WHALE

[lavish wind]

Any idea who the TS will be this week? ||The hint today is that they dislike havin fruit for breakfast.|| I poured through the hints on the wiki but I don't think I found a match (yet). Maybe a new hint?

[native galleon]

the hints are impossible to guess lol confetti cousin has a crush on performance guide and fire prophet apparently likes 80s music

[pastel brook]

[sharp lichen]

Or maybe we’re not enlightened

[lavish wind]

[uncut pond]

If I remember correctly, all hints are unique

So they're not really hints, they're more like fun headcanons

[static zephyr]

Which are technically true because they come straight from TGC themselves

[cold sparrow]

arguable lmao
they don't come from TGC as an entity, they come from one person on the team, a concept artist
I don't think any of these are signed off by lead artist or creative director, not even the PR team
they're just meant to just be a fun little game for the discord community, with no evidence or backing by whatever is in game
since the spirits usually don't get such indepth look into their personal tastes and all that, these can certainly be assumed as close to canon as anything we get... but if any future hints or anything added to the game ever contradict these hints, it's because they're not, well, solid canon lore

[uncut pond]

Furries are canon <3

[cold sparrow]

I mean, half the spirits walk around with animal masks, so yeah

[cold sparrow]

I mean, for reference, the hints include things like "Is a TikTok superstar" and "Is in a Zoom meeting with the rest of TGC"
which, if that was canon, would mean TikTok exists in Sky

[uncut pond]

I mean yeah but you could plausibly deny that they're furries on the basis that they just wear animal masks because they look cool

Except the prophets specifically. Those guys are Definitely furries

[cold sparrow]

for sure

[lucid bridge]

I was wondering if the arowana/fish/whale was from a manta or a fish, but it’s obviously an elder version of the fish! You get the fish call from the whale skeleton so obviously it is an advanced/elder form of the fish!

[dusk cosmos]

Yaaay

[tranquil heath]

why do krill attack skids is it bc it's in their nature or did we do something fr

[nimble ingot]

Skykids have light.
The krill are hungry and hunt light.
Ergo, they would go after skykids, just like they would go after mantas (or any creature of light, technically).

Also, that said, if one would wonder why the krill would still go after skykids when they lose their light and become darkened.
I am unsure other than it possibly be something that may need to be brought up to the devs. Seeing the krill repellent spell prevents the krill from taking light, but a darkened skykid does not get the same benefit for being covered in dark dust.
It may be possible that despite being darkened, skykids still hold a light within their capes. Which would still attract krill.
But that is just me speculating.

[tranquil heath]

thank u so much

[cold yoke]

What's about to happen at the Halloween location?! I saw that there is an event emote and there are a lot of players there, just like aurora etc., will anything happen?

[nimble ingot]

The TGC website hinted at the third phase in the chackling crab to have skykids run around as crabs.

My guess is they wanted to use the festival tech from Aurora's concert for stranger skykids to appear as crabs in the crab pit area.

I had trouble seeing this in person, and it seems like others had similar issues, sadly.
Hope this helps.

[inland cliff]

Why does strong winds doesn’t affect the candles or our flame since we can’t produce flame under water
Why does clouds recharges light
Also in Prophecy, the guide wear an anubis mask which in culture means god of death or death themselves… any relations?

[whole ice]

if the krills were that desperate over getting light, why wouldnt they just break the lamps/lights we see in gw

[whole ice]

1. Candles are placed over a sheltered area keeping away the wind
   If the candles are not under a shelter (example, roof, tent) it will be placed in a location with small winds to not affect the candle
   2.clouds are usually seen during the day in real life, cloudy days usually always have the sun. The sun has light so in skys world maybe the suns light is strong enough to shine through the clouds and help us recharge light
   (or the mods didnt want us to go into a wall or get lost lol)
2. Probably means nothing

[nimble ingot]

That is a good question.

I always loved the idea skykids could distract krill with lamps, or even fireworks.
I assume the krill are coded in the game with being a dangerous enemy/obstacle first and foremost, and their lore were a secondary consideration.

I did a fwe tests in the past, and noticed krill can target spirit's sprites. But this was difficult to pull off with the memory fragments are not the same as the sprite we lead about or see move from one memory fragment to another.

It would be cool if this could be incorporated into the gameplay more.
Imagine using props with fire to temporary distract a krill. They could destroy the prop like they usually would and skykids could use that to buy a bit of time.
At least there are few places in the levels where krill would usually not look at, while skykids have them to charge up.

Imagine there are lanterns in the level we could light up, and the krill could destroy them. Once you leave and return to the area, the lanterns could be reset like most structures in the game with one time events.
Ex. bridges or falling statues.

[whole ice]

if that system actually was in the game, it would be a game changer though
Lighting up a lantern/torch or smt and then the krill sees it and destroys it, leaving you time to run away

[inland cliff]

1. by that i was referring to some candles placed at the start of valleys race to the ice rink

[silk inlet]

I can imagine the krill are drawn to living light as opposed to like, being light sensitive?

[nimble ingot]

Possibly.

It might explain why they go after darken skykids when they lost their light, but still have winged light inside them.

[faint pawn]

From what I figured out (might be way off) from the eden cutscene after you perish, skids are probably made out of 2 parts
A dark body and pure light essence
So as long as you can move, you probably still "have light" in the eyes of the dark creatures

[nimble ingot]

Skykids and their eyes... (side topic ranting a bit)
The few times I wanted to know how skykids' eyes work.
The game may have its limitations and stylistic choices, but the few times it has to do with lore is when folks would like to know these things, lol.

Yes, skykids are a combination of the Light and Darkness. The hug scene in Eden shows this quite nicely where a child of darkness finds a child of light, and they unite to become a skykid.

I would digress a bit from the statement that being able to move (which I take means being alive) means a creature (or skykid) has light.
Darkness in its purest form is not pure evil, though a necessary element to keep balance with Light.
There may be a balance where even the extremes between Light and Darkness has a piece of the other half in some way. Namely, the Krill are corrupted dark creatures, and yet they still seek out the Light to help balance out the amount of Darkness in them. The hunger for light to restore themselves. Even though as far as how the game would portray them, there is not enough light to help them. At least the game has not shown us how they can be helped at least.

The balance was disrupted when the corruption event took place. Corruption caused chaos and prevented the ancestors spirits from ascending (as a personal observation and theory).

Light cannot exist without darkness. Just like life sadly cannot exist without death. If one would be taken away from the other, both halves would either fall due to the chaos, or one would dominate the other and still perish with time. That is unless something is done to help restore that balance.

[sharp lichen]

I think the first one is easy to explain. Skykids are so attuned with the wind that they can fly, so a simple breeze does nothing to them

[lyric imp]

Imo krills not going after downed skids, but lore-wise it makes sense. To me it seems like they feed on creatures' inner light, the one that animates them. Downed skids have no energy but are still alive. Krills i think are creatures that survived having their own light taken away and now spmething else animates them. Maybe the light they steal from other creatures is what keeps them alive?

[lyric imp]

And ig my comment also responds to this

[lyric imp]

@inland cliff
2. Clouds also recharge us in the starlight desert and it's night there. I feel like it's simply not cannon, if it was, we'd probably see several cloud related props and some kind of cloud technology

[faint pawn]

Cloud tech boots that spawn a tiny temporary clouds underneath you after you flap

[lyric imp]

Adds up, esp that crabs do attack props and both crabs and krills can destroy them

[faint pawn]

You think if the corruption affected light instead of dark we'd have to go around putting out blindingly bright fires?

[hushed steeple]

@polish makes an exelant point.
Remember, downed sky kids are not devoid of light, they mearly lack surpluss light to do anything else but live and walk around. The still posses a core of light within them that krill probably are still able to deteck, and that trigers there instincts

[lyric imp]

Interesting thought. If that was the case, maybe fire would be associated with hurt rather than comfort. In the live game, though, everything seems to be about associations in human minds. Light = good and comfy, dark = unknown and dangerous

[hushed steeple]

yup, preaty much

[nimble ingot]

I wonder how a krill sees.
Do they have vision like a heat seeking missile?

lol, would they see skykids like this heat map?

[faint pawn]

What the crabs/krill see when a sky kid has more than 0 light

[hushed steeple]

Yup, that looks about right
At least thats how they will see us when we are lit
When we are downed (all grey) it would probably be more like the pic that @nimble ingot posted, with a glowing hart and light lines

[faint pawn]

Yeah since going near eachother restorers sky kid's light, I imagine they passively generate heat which attracts the crabs

But when extinguished skids are barely more than just normal spirits and radiate way less

[nimble ingot]

Downed skykids look like walking statues.
I figure their heat signature would be more dense than a spectre of a spirit.
Like a paper lantern compared to a heated rock.

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much
Dont forget the hyper focused stare that Krill have.
The creatures have no periferal vision to speak off, but once they sence you, they stare deep into your soul🤣

[nimble ingot]

"The missile knows where it is at all times."
"It knows this because it knows where it isn't."

[faint pawn]

What's up with the lonely krill at the lost ark? There's literally no light creatures, or any life for that matter. But it still circles around that small island in the middle of the cloud sea, alone
The only light it gets is from moths who don't know any better

[nimble ingot]

It may be a hint that there are krill (and other creatures) in the world beyond the places our skykids can access.

There is even one that should show up in the out of bounds area in the windy desert well area in the Starry Desert (Vault - Little Prince area).
It shows up when you complete the quest, which would imply there are more in the world. (Sadly, that krill does not show up after the fact, that I am aware of.)

[nimble ingot]

They do go after mantas. We are shown this in the area where moths would see krill for the first time in Golden Wasteland.
It often takes out the lone manta in the broken structure just before the graveyard area.

[hushed steeple]

Just becouse we dont see much of light beings now doesnt mean the region didnt have plentiful prey that atracked it at one point. Given the crashed arc along with all the other smaller ships that were swollowed up by the dessert, there were probably hundreds of people that the krill could have consumed.

Its also inportant to remeber that from what we have observed, krill are not the most...."rational" creaturess. The have a one track mind, there entire perception is tunnel vision, they hount the same area constantly.....there not the kind of creatures that would stop and make plans about what they should do, where they should go, they enturely driven by instinct and incomeing external stimulas.
So its likely with most of the light gone from that region, it found itsellf hounting the mountain path, as any creature comeing in and out of the region would pass through there.
With so little energy its proably on autopilot right now, like most krill

[lucid bridge]

Do sky kids breathe
If yes, why and how
If no, how do they play wind and brass instruments

I know Aurora’s opening song in the concert mentions inhalation and exhalation, but I don’t really consider the Aurora songs or little prince areas to be canon

[cold sparrow]

Skykids anatomy is intentionally vague, as they're quite fantastical creatures
We do seem to have something like a chest cavity, which holds a flame (the candle we sometimes pull out)
And when we're diving, we have a sort of 'breath meter' that slowly decreases - which I personally interpret as the oxygen in their chests that is needed to keep the flame alight depleating
So... maybe? Skykids don't really have organs like lungs, but they may still have a function much like breathing

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think they do, imo

[lucid bridge]

They definitely need oxygen to keep their flames alive. And carbon dioxide is a product of combustion. Hahah! Maybe the breathe just like we do! (oxygen in, co2 out)

[nimble ingot]

I would think they need air to thrive, though not in the usual way a human does albeit it is practically similar.

Skykids carry a flame within them that is essentially their soul, or life force.

This flame is very resilient but still vulnerable to darkness that drains from it. Like any flame, it needs air to keep burning. In regards to fuel source, I'll go into detail on that later.
When a skykid is underwater, I imagine their bodies can hold some air, or that the flame can burn without access to air for a limited amount of time. The game translates this into a breathe bar for the player, in addition to the flame burning out animation to buy time for the player to save their skykid from 'drowning', more like their flame was snuffed out.

How could skykids play wind instruments is an interesting argument you brought up.
I would say there are at least two paths one can take in approaching this question.
Perhaps skykids can use their mouths (which is possible given the game has limitation which influences the style). This is further supported by the soft sighs they make while asleep (which sounds very sweet when you have friends taking a nap with you). Not to mention the breaths while cold with an emote (although one could argue is part of the magical effects emotes bay have, but I digress).

Another way would revolve around how skykids acquire these instruments. While the game does not show whether skykids receive their items physically, spiritually or magically (in this case, the latter two possibilities would be treated as one option).
If they were physical, it would be interesting to see how skykids would be able to actually play the instruments. While skykids could 'fake' playing instruments with producing the sounds magically.

Expanding on the fuel source thought.

Skykids may have a few options to keep their flames going. That is if the flame would need fuel in the traditional sense, or if special kind of flame that burn indefinitely as long as nothing tries to extinguish it.

Perhaps it uses wax. Fun fact, wax like that in a candle is a fuel source. But it needs to be hot enough to burn as fuel, which is where the wick helps keep the flame alight while it heats up and burns the wax it comes in contact with.
Therefore gives an interesting theory to why skykids would want to gather so much wax (aside from candle trading). And adds some nice sentiment for skykids gifting each other candles.

Another source could be coal or other sources. But this may be a stretch as skykids are never seen stoking their own fire. If a different source would be used, it would be fair to argue that skykids would find these sources valuable. Such as the wax as previously explained.

[edgy kernel]

thinking about it, oxygen ( breathing ) and wax ( fuel ) does seem like it'd make sense, though it makes me wonder - what do the spirits have need of the candles we forge

[lethal rock]

Had this idea that if the sky kids could be beings made out of the type of rock that is really really porous. So the light can sit nice and snug in them and let the air through when needed. So their "breath" could be just them using some sort of energy or magic or something to manipulate the air around them. If they need more oxygen to their "flame" they would "breath" it in all around them and when using flutes and honks they concentrate the air flow to the instrument / vocal cords as breathing out would be in humans. This is why they don't need mouths to honk or eat. Although I am fully aware that this most likely is just limitation of the game but I choose to ignore that and live in denial.

And with this rock still being u know, a rock that are not really known to be the lightest material found, the porous nature (and / or magic) would explain how they still are able to fly. Even when we finally lose all our winged light the only thing that is left is the flame that gets stuck inside of the rock, and that's what gets broken free leaving the old now empty shell behind. In the orbit or after sky kids fall back to the home island they martialize new body either from the earth beneath / around them or just create it out of thin air (aka magic).

This idea tho still needs the sky world have either completely different periotic table or just the material that the rock is made out of is still magic in some way.

That would also explain that when the sky kids are ice skating, there's really sharp ping sound that would suggest that the soles of the kids feet are really hard material.

[nimble ingot]

porous rock bodies for their flames to breathe through.

Skykids be like frogs? /j

[nimble ingot]

Good question.

We know the ancestors valued candles.
They leave them as offerings, and keep them around their homes, more so than one would need them for light. In fact, they seem to prefer light lanterns with fire for light.

There are real life culture and mythology we could look for ideas on how TGC may have incorporated into sky lore.

[lethal rock]

where do you think they get all the wax from?

[nimble ingot]

I have no idea tbh.

Typical sources for wax (specifically for ancient times) in real life are beeswax and tallow, which comes from animal fat.

Fat can come from most animals (namely domestic or farm animals) but also whale fat.

While the game does not show us how ancestor made their candles in Sky.
Should one applie real world logic to the world of Sky, I'd say the ancestors did similar things.

We do have flowers and insects like butterflies in Sky. therefore, there should be bees in theory.
While the alternate source being whale fat....
I'd perhaps not delve that far down that rabbit hole. lol

[sharp lichen]

I think they use it as a currency, although it’s quite informal. Maybe when they were living, they used it as a form of light storage

[lethal rock]

well using the fat of animals would go with the theme of over consumption

[sharp lichen]

To me, wax is just another form of light

So the reason red candles were placed everywhere were to help recharge the Ancestor Spirits

[edgy kernel]

there is also "dismayed hunter" from the forest, so maybe that could be some part of it.

[nimble ingot]

What I can say is the graveyard in Wasteland might have more than one tragic backstory than the war.

[lethal rock]

it hits pretty close to home i would say.

[edgy kernel]

there are also a few skeletons in forest, right? thats where you get the fish call too i think

[edgy kernel]

actually i kinda wonder the most about the skeletons that are held up in vault, of all places. kinda almost seems to me like they're meant to be on display like a fossil of sorts. all the light creatures in there are far more ghostly being transparent like the jellyfish, and then theres the one big fella with all the lanterns on em. I kinda wonder what the deal is with those guys too looking so different

like maybe they're almost entirely light, and have less of a physical body. either just natural variations of light creatures, an adaptation due to too much light harvesting, or ones created through experiments to have more light in them instead of bones
would be kinda wild if they had just turned all light creatures to all light, and kept some old skeletons around as like a history lesson of sorts, of what they used to look like.

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re spirits/remnants of the mantas, similar to how the “spirits” used to be living themselves

If the Vault people wanted to store and preserve things, why not mantas?

[edgy kernel]

ahh, maybe that kinda implies they could be long gone by then ( being after even wasteland )

oh i just caught on i think, they could also be entirely projections like the one projection prop you can get which has em in it, huh

[nimble ingot]

The mantas in Vault are called Memories based on the spirit for their call is named, Memory Whisperer.
Memory mantas may be an illusion, an echo of mantas.

Personally, I dont know what to think of these illusionary mantas.
Other than them being possibly a recreation of mantas when the ancestors needed/wanted them while taking shelter in the vault.
We dont see these type of mantas outside of vault. Aside from the ones skykids can summon with a prop that resembles the lanterns often seen with these mantas.

[edgy kernel]

maybe they found em comforting to have around and to remember, kinda like remembrance's quests

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

Perhaps the realm is known to be a dreamy place, because what better way to escape a nightmare than to lose yourself in an acritical dream? /rhetorical

[edgy kernel]

thinkin about how the projector prop we could get adds the starry darkness around us, i wonder if that is exactly the same way in vault, maybe hiding the stone walls so people feel less trapped/claustraphobic heh.

[sharp lichen]

Ive never thought of that

Maybe the Vault Elder did the same thing at the very top

[edgy kernel]

ahh, when they show the rest of the detail on all the constellations? maybe you giving them the light either reminded em or let em turn on the projections to all those hehe

[hushed steeple]

That or cley dolls😅

[abstract torrent]

Real

[hushed steeple]

🤣🤣🤣

[latent lark]

So you mean to tell me we be tasting dirt and air all the time and what do the krill taste like when they plough into you?

[native galleon]

God how morbidly ironic that would be, projections of mantas powered by the light of real ones that were long gone

[drifting cipher]

So far we've only seen the spirits and us sky kids as masked beings what do you think lies behind the mask or is the mask the actual face

[hushed steeple]

Well technicly we do have glimpses of spirits without there masks, though quite rearly

And the no-mask could technicly counts as skykids without masks

Its hard to say how much of this should be taken 100% at face valley, or how much is due to limitation in graphics, though it is very likely that in universe we have faces the same colour and texture as our arms and legs, and that it has more mininal features

[nimble ingot]

Yes.
The game may not show their faces in great detail (partially because the player is not expected to peek behind the masks).
Looking at the skykids' models, you do see hints of details like the bridge and tip of the nose, as well as ears and eyelashes.
As for the ancestor spirits, the spirits with the most detailed face I can recall would be the Gloating Narcissist, who shares parts of their model with the valley twin elders.

Their face has more defined features, though still lack some details like eyes and a mouth.

However, it is open to debate whether these characters have, or don't have, more details than what the game (and the film project teasers) would show.

[sharp lichen]

Keep it in

[hushed steeple]

Ok, as I was saying😅

[nimble ingot]

yes?

[hushed steeple]

In the game, there is a moment where you come across a sceleton thats placed (and almost enshrined) on the forth flore.

Lighting the candles and honling in a way summmans the spirit manta to life.

This is all done without memory lanterns or darkstone technology, so that rules out the possebilety that they are mearly projections of memories.

It also hints at the possebilety that the seletons are not just for decoration, but rather are necesery for the spirit mantas creation or continues existance

Let me explain😅

What if part of the esence and memories of these former mantas are in fact contained within there very bones.

That the new species that is created is in a way an echo or memory of what the creature once was.

Given that they are ownly found within the Voult ( there's also one in starlight desert that likely also come from the voult), it is reasonable to assume that they are creations of the Voult kingdom at the very end of its life.

And its likely that the purpous of there creation is conected more with preservation of what was lost

We see this comman paternt in voult, from the abondent library's and memory cores, to experiment involving creating new tree's useing light sciance, at the end of its existance the Voult kingdom was entirely dedicated to preserving and possibly revining as much as they could of the desolated world outside

After all, one of the 3 main pillers of world design in sky is the stages of civilization, and Voult is ment to be the post apocalyps.
Specificly it had been conected to bomb shelters, and of a stage of human developlent where the old world is lost, and people atempting to save and preserve as much as possible for the future generation

.
So the creation of the spirit mantas could be seen as an act of preservation of the past beings of sky, if not an act of atonemant for the lifes that had been lost.
.

Of course it could be argued the resurch that would leed to this was started from a goal of mearly expanding the understanding of light energy for the sake of it, but this is what it eventually was used for

[cold sparrow]

You ought to ask that in #beta-discussion
Beta content is not to be discussed outside of the beta channels

[quartz bobcat]

It said spoilers tho

[sharp lichen]

It refers to Eden spoilers

Ah, how I wish this channel changed its name

[nimble ingot]

Beta content is not allowed outside of beta channels.
It's all good you did not know.

[nimble ingot]

petition to changing the name to just lore-discussion, or Lore-chat?

[quartz bobcat]

[hushed steeple]

I secund it☺️

[cold sparrow]

I actually just sent a message in #contact-the-mods
If other users do as well, it might get the attention of the mods better

[hushed steeple]

Although, I do think that descussing content reguarding edan that has already been released for a while should be allowed, even if it spoils things for people that never went there.

Otherwise there would be a whole area of descussion thats interconected with all the other lore of sky that would just remain permanently blocked and taboo to descuss freely

[lime river]

thank you for the report

(also please note that the moderators view every report- no need to have more folks send in suggestions for the same reason since we make sure to review them all in the first place. we appreciate your time )

[nimble ingot]

Personally, the lore in the game includes all realms.
I get why moths may not want to be spoiled about the ending of the game but then again, users who are curious enough to enter a channel about the lore of the game should expect to run into spoilers if they have not completed the game.

In my opinion, it would be like looking at behind the scenes videos about a movie you have not finished watching yet.

[cold sparrow]

I think it has been a rule once that eden content needs to be spoilered, but that has been changed since

[hushed steeple]

So does that mean your for or against edan content in this channel?

[nimble ingot]

I hath found an ancient commandment /j
"Eden spoilers are fine in this channel, since it's impossible to discuss lore for very long til you need to talk about what happens in Eden."
Source: Nagati #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Totaly correct.
The interconectivenes of the lore mean that if one refuses to talk about events and content in edan, one also limits the content of descusion for all other realms

[cold sparrow]

I don't mind eden spoilers, but my personal opinion is irrelevant. I was merely clarifying that there was once a rule to spoiler Eden content, which is why the name of the channel is like this. But that rule is no more. Eden content is allowed to be talked about without spoiler tags in the whole server.

[pastel brook]

Server spoiler rules have changed. They now only include:

• Beta content is not allowed outside beta channels, even with spoiler tags. (This includes beta content that is not live or not meant to be accessible)

[hushed steeple]

Define without spoilers😅

[cold sparrow]

||Spoiler tags||

[inland cliff]

Honestly i think Vault was almost the ancestors greatest accomplishment/era, they created such a fantasy-like world hidden with hidden symbolisms ,roles and magnificent architecture, considering it’s strong enough to withstand Eden’s roar itselfs (and a lot more)

It’s like a result of when the ancestors ALL worked together, from the architects to the magician… the first time they combined various elements into a building that is so diabolical beyond even our skykids and theorists mind. It was an Observatory, an Vault to Archive knowledge, a somewhat memorial museum,a war-shelter, and possibly an attempt to rebult what was used to be and what was left (it’s also worth noticing that we haven’t explore the entire Vault yet as the Wasteland Elders room had more than just one door, plus the Great wall™️ separating Vault with Wasteland hints that there’s still more to it, we might’ve just went straight to the core)

[nimble ingot]

I was digging in old messages of this channel.
My best guess is this.
The server has beta spoilers, for beta content of course, which is not allowed in other channels (not even with spoiler tags).
The server also has a Eden spoilers channel. Which I am not sure what it is about to be honest. I assume it is for folks to share pictures and talk about Eden specifically, and without spoiling the ending for new players (who would inevitably find out after playing the game for about 2 hours without getting side tracked with season quests).

In this channel, I suspect that with these two channels, users got the idea that eden content had to be spoiler tagged because of the #eden-spoilers channel.

[nimble ingot]

P.S.
From the search, there have been mods consistently saying that eden content is ok in here.

Therefore spoiler tags were presumably a curtesy users were extending when asked half of the time, while any other time it was stated to be fine.

[edgy kernel]

Ahh interesting, i had forgotten about that one - that also reminds me theres even a spirit that starts in a similar way, the one you need to pray at a stone surrounded by candles and it goes faster the more players there are. Seems like the people of the vault found a way to play memories in the same way we end up re living them

[cold sparrow]

As I explained, there was once a rule that eden content needs to be hidden in spoiler tags. This channel may have had a more flexible rule because of the nature of lore discussions. That said, that rule has been changed. The only content that has any spoiler-related rules is beta content. The -spoiler of the eden and the lore channels are basically obsolete.

[cold sparrow]

Compare the current bot message with this one from 2020

[inland cliff]

i love how the more you scroll down the channels, the possibility you get eden-spoilers increase/ the more eden spoilers get easing

[hushed steeple]

I supoase that makes sence
Although I would argue that this is too restrictive

Forbiding spoilers for upcomeing content is perfectly valid, as people would want the chance to experiace this on there own.
This remains true weather you are a new player or a veteran, and all that was a spoiler automaticly becomes fair use the moment it releases in live game.

But I would argue that Edan spoilers are not the same, since as @nimble ingot said, it makes little sence to go into a channel that descusses in deaph lore of the game without haveing proparly experianced the game yourself.

After all, its quite possible that a player had gone through edan without haveing experianced every season area in the game.
Would descusing these far off seasonal areas not count as spoilers by this logic.

And of course, content that enters live version automaticly becomes fair use to descuss freely, but not all players get the chance to experiance this content for themselfs the day they are released. Is this content any less spoilery for them compared to edan?

This is why I think there is a segnificent difference between spoilers for content not released and spoilers for what one has not experianced yet.
A person comeing into this kind of channel would obviacely understand that risk

[cold sparrow]

You don't need to argue that it is too restrictive because these rules do not apply anymore.

[nimble ingot]

I see.

Perhaps the bot may need to update that.
Especially with how events that include the Office has crossed into the realms.
Season of Shattering would had to be spoilered seeing it is a season based on Eden.

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I missunderstood that you were advocating for it insted of just saying that this is how it use to be😅

My bad

[nimble ingot]

!spoilers

oh, well look at that, lol. (I figured to test things)

[pastel brook]

Server spoiler rules have changed. They now only include:

• Beta content is not allowed outside beta channels, even with spoiler tags. (This includes beta content that is not live or not meant to be accessible)

[cold sparrow]

The difference between beta content and new live content/a new player's experience is easy:

• Content in the live version is accessible to all players at the same time (with rare exceptions of technical difficulties and bugs). A player has the option to not engage with the server, if they want to not be spoiled. But even Sky's own news and social media channels will drop information about upcoming content, as that is part of PR.
• Content in the beta versions is restricted to a few people who are in the program, and to those that have beta-capable devices. Beta content is also constantly subject to change. The people in the beta channels understand that. Beta content being discussed outside of beta channels is not only unexpected spoilers for people that don't want to be spoiled, it leads to people in the community making assumptions based on half-baked ideas and works-in-progress.

[inland cliff]

imagine beta ppl making high content assumptions to live players only to be something different till it hit live ver and players starts bargaining tgc for it is not what the expected

crucial reason why beta must be spilt up with live ver, idk why we should review this all over again

[nimble ingot]

Last message with the old spoilers guidelines: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
(21-10-2022)
First message with the new guidelines: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
(25-10-2022)

To clarify, I just want to gather sources and compare things.
I dont intend to argue or be mean. I apologise if it did upset anyone.

I know it used to be a thing in this channel for a while.
While learning about the lore during that time, the spoilers were helpful at the very start, but quickly became redundant the more I read about the lore.
Suppose it was something that the community at the time felt like doing, and did it to avoid drama?

I dont see a real reason to spoiler eden and Office with how the game is currently. Especially when the lore for these areas were part of the game from the start.
The only people that might have wanted to avoid these areas would be moths. Because finding these places would be a surprise that adds to their experience of the game.

[hushed steeple]

My point exactly😁
Thats kinda what my big speach before was all about😅

[nimble ingot]

agreed.

Any new event or content the devs work in in beta can and would change. Sometimes it is because of player feedback, other times it is because of what the devs decided.
Ultimately, what makes it to live is final (with very rare exceptions, like the cat hair for days of mischief misunderstanding for example).

To make a long story short, beta content outside of beta channels would inevitably stir up trouble.
The devs have been amazing to listen to their fans throughout the updates. Not a lot of indie developers may do that in their games.
fans who seek out beta content are welcome to do so, but with the caviat that they dont spoil it for others who may prefer to be surprised when it hits live.

It is like watching a show/movie.
If you want to read ahead and see what happens next, you are welcome to do so.
However, other people may not want to know until they learn about it themselves.

Nobody likes a spoil sport.

[autumn zinc]

So many w o r d s

[nimble ingot]

welcome to lorechat /hj

[edgy kernel]

And its not even about the lore itself

[hushed steeple]

endeed☺️

[pale plinth]

are skykids considered dead if they refuse to leave orbit

[edgy kernel]

Finish all constellations and ascend all spirits, then just chill with everyone in orbit forever LOL

[pale plinth]

my skykid after finally finishing all the constellations (he's dead now) /j

[nimble ingot]

"Mom said I can stay home today" XD

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, so are spirits

[cold sparrow]

To be fair, I think spirits are considered dead even if they come back from orbit. They're not suddenly alive just because they appear before us to give us cosmetics or guide us through a Days event.

[nimble ingot]

Sky is Haunted: Canon

[pale plinth]

they call that specific part of wasteland "the graveyard" but what they dont know is that technically the whole sky kingdom is a graveyard

[versed mirage]

Do we really know what the Eden shard actually is?

[sharp lichen]

As in the big diamond in PNR?

[edgy kernel]

I've always thought of it as just some kind of mega sized darkstone crystal, but im unsure of what exactly it was meant to power, or what the original intention was in making it. my theories range from "we'll lift everyone up back into the stars!" to "wouldn't it be really cool if this whole CITY floated in the sky? the whole ground is bad and dangerous anyway ( wasteland )"

that second one either being some kind of maybe vain thing from a king ruling over everyone ( literally, with a floating castle! )
or more as a last resort get off the ground because they kinda ruined places like wasteland, maybe krill were starting to creep around them too

im not sure what their general thoughts on about trying to pack up and leave somewhere were, there was the ark and atleast one other massive floating ship ( both of which are in ruins )

[nimble ingot]

Well...
It is made of darkstone, that is what the red crystal is. The lore for it did get some attention in the season of shattering.
We know darkstone responds to light. Although we dont have ingame evidence on how the ancestors made them exactly.
There is concept art that may gives us an idea of what might have happened, though given it is concept art for an old version of the lore (Sky: Light Awaits), there may be something more to this.

We know the diamonds (at least the ones used in memory lanterns) can capture memories.
Although it is uncertain what the massive one in Eden might have been used for.

I have a hypothesis on what might have been the case, but it is far stretched and lacks much needed evidence to support it. I'll type it out in a different message for ease of reading.
The shortened response to your question is darkstone has a lot of power the ancestors relied on.
They can cause entire buildings to float (so it might have been used to power the castle). They can hold memories (so perhaps the ancestor used it to learn about the realms, like a citizen asking advice to a King). They could have other abilities we might not have learned about yet (based on concept art and ruins that suggest that diamonds might have the power to defend or cause harm).

Currently, we might have to wait and find out (a catch phrase devs like Ash says)

[latent lark]

(Random but kind of related tidbit: so we know there were prophets in sky, but i wonder what was their extent/limits bc how did no one see the shattering of eden coming. Maybe it will be addressed in the tv show hopefully)

[nimble ingot]

Assuming you are referring to the season of Prophecy's spirits, who were teachers of their respective trials.
It is possible they either prophesized the Kingdoms of Sky, or they documented the event in their time. Meaning it was to them either the future, or the present. Which may have regardless been a time before the stars fell.

Perhaps a few ancestor spirits saw the signs and tried to help prevent it. Perhaps the season of Lightseekers. But as we know it, the reality was sadly a bleak outcome for the ancestors.

[sharp lichen]

I think they prophesized the beginning parts of the kingdom of Sky. So they predicted correctly that the Chosen One would bring about an era of prosperity, but they would ignore the other factors that would lead to the kingdom’s eventual demise

[edgy kernel]

one image of it for quick reference

[ionic delta]

Lit every fire properties to have full murals

[edgy kernel]

oh im missin somethin? huh

[ionic delta]

Yeah it's not completed 👍

[edgy kernel]

i have done all the quests, do i need to do them all without leaving the area?

[ionic delta]

I think this one I still have

[ionic delta]

It's ok it's going to reset after you leave tho

[nimble ingot]

The King = Diamond Hypothesis
Part 1 of 3
(Warning, Long theory. Reading and sharing your thoughts are appreciated)
(Optionally use the Speak Message feature if you like to listen along instead)

The Eye of Eden, a massive diamond that violently shakes and on the verge of shattering. Aparantly the dark heart of the storm.

Looking through the history of the game (Sky: Light Awaits), it is implied that Eden's elder would be the King. A character that is supposedly absent in the game. Even though the devs hinted that the King might not be truly gone.
I think that the King's physical body may be gone due to the shattering. But their essence, their spirit, might still be here. Trapped within the shards of darkstone that scatter across the realms like seeds of darkness. Threatening to spread the corruption had it not been for skykids trying to stop it.

The ancestors relied on darkstone extensively in their lives. To raise their boats, to raise their cities, to power their machinery, to help store the wisdom and knowledge so it may pass down to the next generation.
The ancestors may be flightiness beings, though they sought out the Light and wanted to touch the sky (metaphorically, or literally, take your pick). While they may have gotten more powerful with darkstone technology, the elder overseeing the kingdoms may have made a grave mistake in disrupting the balance between light and Darkness.

While Light represents life; Darkness may be the opposite with it representing death. One cannot exist without the other, and both are needed to maintain Harmony in the realms. Darkness would be a natural part of the cycle in Sky. The cycle of life, that is.
However, corrupted darkness is somethign else. Corruption might have not just affected darkness, but also the light. An unholy hybrid of the two halves that lead to the downfall of the ancestors, and the elders.

The elder might have fallen because of the shattering (based on the game mentioning the elders are fallen).

[nimble ingot]

Part 2 of 3
(take note, this is just a theory. Not canon)

Before the fall, each realm had a role, each one represented a time of day, a stage of life, they were part of a cycle or journey the ancestors and/or light creatures sought to complete.

Dawn was birth, Day was childhood, Forest (Rain) was adolescence (teenagerhood), Valley (Sunset) was adulthood, Wasteland (Dusk) was Midlife hood, Vault (Night) was elderhood, and Eden (Storm) was Death. These were the 7 realms, although to complete the cycle there has to be another. The 8th and final realm would be Orbit, the afterlife, or even rebirth.
Each realm specialised in some power. It could be magic like telekinesis or Light magic, or even power over the elements.
Back to the point with Eden though, I like to think that Eden ruled over time. Being death, time is a powerful thing to a mortal. It might have also ruled over Gravity. As gravity can affect time, and would justify the use of darkstone, a source of power all the realms used.

[nimble ingot]

Part 3 of 3
(nailed it, lol)

When the shattering took place. I may not know what the elders were trying to do exactly. They may have tried to prevent the shattering. They might have tried to save the King. What I do think what likely happened was they may have broken Time.
Each realm is frozen to a specific time of day, and yet skykids can see time progress as they move from place to place. Talk about a mind bending example of time being relative. More like relative to where you are in relation to Eden. The closer you get, time would move forward. The further you get, time would seeming move backwards. It is not exact, but still a noteable effect the game subtly shows to the player.
The only place where time does not seem to progress though is in Eden itself. As if the Eye of Eden is trapped in the last moments where it would have shattered, but not yet. Like a clock with its arms held back, it stutters in place.

Time in Sky is broken because skykids may need time to become strong enough to face the corruption.
Similar to how skykids prove their worth in passing though spirit gates, getting the elders blessings to enter the gates of eden, or in the prophecy trials where if you tried to do a trail out of order. The game would directly tell you are not strong enough yet.

At least this is what I think might be happening.

[latent lark]

Ah i see. Thank you! And to the others that posted the images!

[edgy kernel]

i like the comparison to the clock as if it were held back, gears angrily grinding where the machinery tries to force it further, but it cant. maybe the shards are little leaks of whatevers holding it back not being quite perfect

[ionic delta]

Now I have this thought too since we can see everywhere using darkstone (even mask that can breath in water for a couple secs, the cosmetic from season of abyss has darkstone too), Dark stone already have a strong energy that can destroy Sky's ecosystem. No wonder it effect the Eden, where most darkstone placed there. Wait what about Vault? Will it get infection/contaminated? It's between Eden and GW tho??

[sharp lichen]

It’s also worth nothing that shards hold the memories of light creatures inside. And since they’re parts of the Eden Diamond, it implies the diamond itself held memories of light creatures

[nimble ingot]

We better hope those darkstone crystals dont get corrupted.
At least the shard events there are only hitting the outside.

[edgy kernel]

In abyss i believe it was fairly heavily implied either some kind of experimentation on light creatures, or that they were literally used to create darkstone crystals, like the energy source. so the eden crystal is probably just full of who knows how many light creatures

[sharp lichen]

Vault is probably safe from contamination because it is mostly indoors and is made of artificial technology. It appears to be inside the Eden Mountain, so although there is darkness around it, it is relatively clear inside.

[ionic delta]

I see, thank for this information

Do you think the Leviathan has a role for this?

[edgy kernel]

A sadder view of vault i kinda thought about recently was that it might be dual intended as a shelter for whoever was left alive then. thinking about all the spirits in remembrance who you're basically building a new home for

( it does somewhat seem attached onto the side though, and even the area its in has cracks and openings, like maybe it was added later )
Could be that it was a museum with all sorts of cool and fancy projectors and remnants of the spirits and their memories from before, but then it kinda turned into the last place you could live away from the darkness

[sharp lichen]

The Leviathan seems to mostly affect the Treasure Reef (thankfully), and is largely contained there.

If they were to escape, Sky would be a much different game

[ionic delta]

Think of this,
We have possibility read/rewatch every spirit's memory in Vault

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think there were 15 spirits in the entirety of Vault

[edgy kernel]

something that kinda particularly interests me about vault though and memories of spirits, i think? its the only or one of the only spots in the game where you can start a spirit's memories without initially finding one out there, you start it via a little ritual around a stone with candles that you or multiple other sky kids can pray at to speed it up, and then it starts.

makes me think that like.. they could have set that up intentionally, so the people there could watch the memories of that spirit. it still ends in you finding someone at the end and freeing their spirit from the darkness encrusted remnants of themselves, so im not so sure. maybe they had a way to start it but not the kind of light we have to free them.

Kiinda makes me think maybe everyone being frozen in darkness like that could have been gradual, like the other realms were hit first, and they knew about it while being trapped in the vault but couldn't do anything

I dont think i have a single shred of evidence besides the "this spirit starts differently and thats strange!" and its been a very long time since i've done the vault spirits, heh

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they were one of the first spirits who died, and thus a ceremony was done to attempt to peacefully guide them?

[edgy kernel]

i kinda like that, i think. makes me wonder how fast the shattering could have been. like i wonder if some saw it coming, whereas most seem to have just been frozen in place i think.
i dont think we have much on the exact moment it happened, do we? besides the last memory in the shattering, a little bit

[lyric imp]

It has been long speculated that the isle elder fell out with the other elders and imo ut's because he saw the shattering coming and decided to not get involved in the project.
Aside from that, the explosion appears violent, so i suppose it was almost instant. Perhaps the ancestor extinction took a bit longer and happened mainly because of shards and maybe hunger or something, though i doubt the whole thing with the world being frozen in place is canon. Imo it looks like a different layer of metaphors. It of course can be interpreted as canon, but imo it has weird implications

[sharp lichen]

I think the "world" being frozen means the terrain/sky of the world, not the actual lives of the ancestors. They might have lived on for a few years/decades

[hexed hound]

hey lore chat can i ask about some eden lore related stuff or is it only for #eden-spoilers

[nimble ingot]

You are welcome to ask about Eden in here without spoilers.

As long as it is not about Beta.

[fleet birch]

What TGC said about the King not being truly gone and you saying that their spirit might be around: I suspect that all of the Children of Light might actually be memories, impressions, or pieces of the King that are frozen in time. I originally thought they were the spirits of Sky kids who had fallen, but the final memory from Shattering with the two Children of Light embracing, plus some of the hints in the murals about how powerful the King had become and how that power behaved, makes me think that the Children of Light are what is left of the King themself, and the fact that they can restore fallen Sky kids is just a coincidental bonus (or maybe a side effect of attempts to make the King an Elder who could help usher spirits on to the stars).

TGC has also officially referred to CoL as "imprints of the Children of Light" which might support that. Them being memories would also give an in-game reason for why they always return to the same place (they're tied to the King's experiences in those areas), and if the King's final resting place is Eden, it would make sense that the memories would be trying to return there.

[fleet birch]

There are also implications that Isle was hit first and worst by whatever was driving people to become refugees in other realms (the boats, the grass turning to desert, etc.), so that might have also driven a rift between Isle Elder and the others.

Unless all of that happened after the shattering; the timeline isn't too clear on that, I think.

Actually, that's a good question; do we have anything that firmly places whether the war depicted in Remembrance happened before or after the shattering? It's hard to tell if the King was prompted to ascend in an attempt to quell the fighting, or if the fighting broke out because the shattering happened. The final mural in the Prophecy cave kind of makes it seem like the krill became a thing at the moment of the King's ascension but it's vague as heck.

I suppose it could also be possible that a war was happening before the ascension (Remembrance) and just got worse afterwards (Aurora), but there isn't much evidence supporting that either way that I know of.

[nimble ingot]

The shattering took place just before the stars fell, as far as I understood things.

We may need the timeline theorists to chime in with this convo whenever they have a moment.

[fleet birch]

Yeah, but would the stars falling have ended the wars right then, or would people have struggled on in desperation for a while? It's interesting to think about either way. I wonder if the animated specials will reveal anything.

[nimble ingot]

Krills in murals may be a useful hint to an event possibly taking place after the shattering.

The prophecy caves would be tricky though if they were depicting what was the future to the ancestors in their time.

[fleet birch]

True. To me they seem to be a recording of the King being the only one to complete all four trials and consolidate the power from them, but it could certainly be interpreted other ways.

[pastel brook]

Buff moth takes all their friends though trials. At the same time.

[fleet birch]

ty skybot

[nimble ingot]

I dearly hope so.

The latest teaser with the skykids talking to a priest like ancestor makes me think it might be a reference to a plot beat in the game where the skykids meets a shamman who foretells their fate in Eden.

Where each one would fall, except for the last one who got closest to the King.

[fleet birch]

It's also interesting to think about whether TGC has any intended plot explanations behind the addition of new realm areas with each season. Up until now they mostly felt like a throwaway kind of "oh you just didn't know how to find them until now but they were always there" sort of thing, but with Aviary there's a much more deliberate sense of "they fell into ruin and are being restored by (something, probably the Light of multiple sky kids running around)"

[nimble ingot]

You have a point.

I like to see it as meta lore when a new area is revealed.
Seeing the clouds previous ovscured them, one may see it as the clouds (or an unseen force) gradually reveal more of the world.

It can be seen as a fog of war for the players (new and old). As mor eof the world is revealed, we learn new things about its past.

[fleet birch]

Agreed, that's how I saw it originally, but that still implies that those places were intact or preserved behind that fog, whereas Aviary hints that the fog may have simply moved in when whatever was there stopped existing to some degree. Like plant overgrowth on the ruins of a town.

Then again, it's possible that that kind of ruin is only specific to Aviary because something particularly catastrophic happened there, and not to the other areas. Given that Aviary is sort of a reflection of Home, that also has some interesting implications.

[nimble ingot]

I cannot say much about the Aviary and Home island at this time.
But I am excited to see this development in Skykid lore unfold.

[hushed steeple]

From the old lore point of view, the war happened waaaaaaaay after the kings ascention. He was the main instagator of the whole conflict

This in no longer curtain in the curent lore, as the nature of the king and the elders is one of the things that got one of the most drastic changes between the late concept art period and Light Awaits....which is probably why the whole subject was left out all together in the lounched game, save for veague murals and such.

Its obviace that TGS laft that whole thing in the back burner until they sort out all the detales.
Resently we've been getting a lot of glimpses into the underlieing lore, but key detales are intentionaly left unspecific

[clear hearth]

Can someone give me the summary of the story. I get that there's war but what is our sky kid? An angel? Why are we collecting uhm memories? And yea... How come we can give light to statue at the end of eden. Then why did we die?

[hushed steeple]

Wait 10 min and I will get back to you😅

[clear hearth]

Thanks. Take your time!

[hushed steeple]

So, the lore sky is a huge thing, but unfortunatly much of it is left to player interpretation, and a bigger part of it is intentionally left veague (for now), which feed in to the whole "personal i terpretation" thing.

What this channel considers lore is a fusion of analizing the game world itself (murals,cutscenes,archetecture,.....), combined with information gained from the abundone amount of concept art, and then expanded by personal interpretation and theorys

[light grail]

Can someone help me understand this?

[clear hearth]

Tell me your interpretation

[light grail]

Honestly I wish they weren’t so vague about it, because the world building is just “hey, the kingdom of sky fell so you were born to fix it.” Like where exactly did the darkness come from? What’s the purpose of the red crystals? Why do they drain energy?

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I will☺️
Just giving you the disclamer ahead of time😅

[clear hearth]

ok ok no worry. i am sure it's close to the real thing.

[hushed steeple]

Wait 15 more min
Kind if a bad time now😅

[light grail]

Ooooo after Viksa can I ramble about my lore of sky?

[clear hearth]

take yoru time, no rush

[hushed steeple]

Me first😋
I've been at this lore game for over 3 years

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so that you brouth it up
This thing over here.
This thing (in my opinion) is a memory and abstract representatin of the first secund aftet the great diamond in Edan first went nuclear.

What the exact motivation of the Elders were for being there is not entirely clear, but we do know that they were there when the first shatering happened, and they lost there lifes and phisical body's in that detonation

An the shard memories are repeesentative of things that happened in the moment before and after the great calamaty

[light grail]

I see, yet it also looks like the elders were trying to refrain this from shattering. I think the Eden elder has something to do with it. As well as the Forest elder (I’ve heard from another person that the Forest elder wasn’t there when it shattered, either the devs forgot to plus them or Forest Elder had something to do with it.

[hushed steeple]

Endeed.
This scene was present in the code of "Light awaits" (the pre global lounch beta version of the game)

It did not exist in the game however, and its location was an early Oob that someone stumbled apon

[light grail]

But what if the Forest elder has something to do with the shattering?

[hushed steeple]

Its a possability that she was one of the elders most in favoure of the diamond, but I doubt she was directly respincible

[light grail]

In my personal headcannons, also judging by the sky kids kind and friendly behaviors, I think the most important reason why Sky fell is because of the dishonesty, lack of trust between the ancestors and that war in Wasteland. And I also agree to that, I don’t think she’s directly responsible but she must did something to cause the downfall of sky.

Wanna dm me so we can continue this? I would love to hear more of your opinions on this without the slowmode thingy

[hushed steeple]

The scene was left out intentionally since the story was still in a transitional phase.
The diamond did not exist in the early Light awaits version, not in any of the concept art, so this was all tottaly new in progress lore that was subject to change at the time of "Light Awaits"

[hushed steeple]

You are right about that☺️

[hushed steeple]

Shure☺️

[hushed steeple]

Say, I got sidetrack with @light grail question😅
Is it ok if I dm you about the the lore?

[clear hearth]

Ya go ahesd

[sharp lichen]

I think the Season Guides wait until the Skykids are ready, then reveal themselves and the season areas

[sharp lichen]

Here is a summary: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[clear hearth]

Thank you!

[inland cliff]

Honestly, Sky’s popular enough to won 2 GUINESS WORLD RECORD, to be played by big youtubers and influence tons of animators but not popular enough for any famous theorists to cover Sky’s lore

[distant plinth]

Matpat wya

[cold sparrow]

I'd rather have shoddycast (who sadly had to leave game theory) make theories and calculations about things like the gravitational force of the Sky world and the weight of a Skykid

[inland cliff]

ty

[queen pike]

honk

[frozen zealot]

guys, I attended the aurora concert recently and I wanted to ask about the part when aurora sings, “the seed”. why was there a battle in golden wasteland?

[nimble ingot]

As far as I know, it is uncertain why exactly they fought.
We know there was an army that held diamond shields that stormed the wasteland temple, defended by an army that held star/sun/light shields.
They might have fought over the power diamonds made of darkstone, or the light they held.

Based on the song by Aurora, we know that it involved greed.

[sharp lichen]

Oh, Austin? I remember him for all his science videos, it would be extremely interesting, especially because Sky has such crazy physics stuff that gets ignored

[cold sparrow]

yess exactly!

[sharp lichen]

It is likely they fought as a result of the pollution and industrialization that affected the realm

[sharp lichen]

Whenever people were talking about Game Theory in Sky, I always hoped that there would be the silver lining of Austin’s videos

But now we’re no longer safe

[edgy kernel]

random rambly thought:

its interesting how our light is immediately compatible with everything around in-world, being able to activate the darkstone powering the doors, and the masks you get with little darkstone crystals in em that give you more breathing time dont never need to be re-fueled, and though its just a cosmetic i kinda like the implication your own light is whats powering it, heh.

thinkin about this because i saw the forest elder cutscene again, and they're trying to piece together some kind of broken darkstone crystal, which after just a bit of our light and some work by them, its turned into a nice and functioning crystal again. been in there a while with no light to fix it, and we suddenly come along.

If ONLY light creatures had that kind of light, i wonder if its a super crazy sight for the elders to see something that looks like they do, but with that light in em. forest elder also kinda snatches it from you without much hesitation, which makes me wonder if that reflects any of how they treated light creatures before, or they're just freaking out a bit at the sight of any light LOL

[fleet birch]

That's what I used to think, but it absolutely looks like we woke the Aviary guide from... something

[edgy kernel]

whats interesting about the spirits / guide this season, is when we free them, instead of flying off into the sky towards the temple they're sorta... immediately aware that something happened and they've been freed
maybe there's no temple for em, and they just... remain there

[fleet birch]

Given that Sky borrowed a lot of story beats from Journey, it's also possible that they fought over dwindling resources, whether that was Light or something else

[edgy kernel]

every other spirit stands there a moment, kinda gives you a thanks and then disappears towards the temple

oh, also the spirits this season dont have anything we can trade with them through the constellations ( besides the guide, technically ) they have their own shops they setup. its been.. a long while, but were old seasonal spirits ( for example flight ) accessible in the main hub? i think that was the case that you called em down like any other spirit and flight had its own constellation?

now these guys dont have a constellation of their own, and i suspect they'd stick around after the quests, so i wonder if the final quest this season will even end in them all grouping up and flying off together like how many seasons end

[sharp lichen]

Aviary Guide seems to be an exception to the rule, we may find more answers in the Two Embers

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, they were at home, similar to base game spirits

[marble maple]

Why is grandpa a ts but grandma isnt bruh grandpa gonna make grandma lonely are they divorced? I asked in #questions-and-help and they told me to come here

[distant plinth]

Is grandma a seasonal spirit?

I don’t think grandma is a TS because all of their items can be bought from wise grandparent (which people call grandpa) and grandma isn’t an actual relive-able spirit

[tranquil quiver]

Did taxes exist in Sky Cotl before the sky kids arrived? Discuss.

[cold sparrow]

Why would qna send you here with this? As if they can't answer that themselves....

Grandma is/was the season guide of Season of Belonging. The season guides don't return as traveling spirits. Generally, the season guides stick around in their areas, and still offer their season's quests for newer players (e.g. Dreams Guide, Enchantment Guide, The Rose). The Season of Belonging didn't really have seasonal quests like that.

Grandma never sold any cosmetics of her own. The only thing she offered was the Bonfire as ultimate gift.

[cold sparrow]

That would beg the question if the Sky Kingdom used money.

[marble maple]

Nah bro that first sentence came off as passive aggressive so if you didnt want to answer my question by all means please ignore it. Also my main question is why isnt grandpa with grandma wouldnt it make more sense if grandpa maybe hostes a different event? Its weird seeing how he exists but we never see them interact together so i thought there was a story or something

[cold sparrow]

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you as much as it was at the other channel

And well, they are -gameplay wise- just different spirits with different roles. One is a season guide, the other a seasonal spirit. Maybe we get to see them interact again for some Days event, but that would likely be a one-time thing.

That said, we don't even know how the Belonging Guide and the Wise Grandparent are related to each other. The Season of Belonging implies that everyone is some big happy family - and it's nice to imagine that they have some happy get-togethers somewhere in orbit, when they're not feeding dumplings to skykids.
But we don't know if the Guide and the Grandparent are even supposed to be married/partners, or if they are siblings, or siblings-in-law, or anything like that. There is no explicit story for either of them, and your guess is as good as ours.

It is a bit sad though that the end cutscenes of many seasons like the Season of Belonging can't be revisited, though.

And it would be kind of lovely if the Belonging spirits would gather around the table during the daily grandma event like they did for the end cutscene.

[ripe pendant]

What is your guys take on what it takes for a spirit to be a season guide? Do you think they’re more knowledgeable on something or do you think they’re selected by some power to guide? We know the regular spirits we see but what makes a guide the chosen one

[cold sparrow]

I'm imagining... maybe a spirit that was once in a group of tight-knit people... who kind of noticed that the others didn't manage to join them in orbit
so they come back down into the kingdom to find and help the others finish whatever they feel they need to, so they're ready to ascend and move on

[edgy kernel]

I kinda have the thought that while everyone has already passed away due to the shattering, not everyone feels like just resting in orbit. you can call any of the spirits back down via the constellations and they'll gladly say hi, but then they'll go back up into the sky.
there are a bunch of spirits who seem like they want to just stick around, and then there are some who maybe just have unfinished business that they need your help with before they depart back to the skies/orbit, like in a lot of the seasonal quests.

The guides might take their role as more important to you/the realms, and so they just choose to stay behind instead.
Aviary is also pretty interesting since the people there seem atleast so far like they all want to stick around, so far. Like they're kinda rebuilding a new home on the ground for spirits, maybe to encourage more of em to come out of resting, heh.

[cold sparrow]

That is often a leader or elder of the group (Belonging, Enchantment, Dreams, Remembrance), but not always (Abyss being seemingly the youngest, but likely also the most open one, that managed to warm the hearts of all these seasoned sailors)

[ripe pendant]

Calling them down and them deciding to stay is such a cute idea 😭

[edgy kernel]

I kinda might imagine traveling spirits as ones coming out of resting for longer periods, to see how things are going down on the ground. maybe in Aviary there might be more spots for em to show up and hang out, like if two TS were to show up at the same time and basically catch up with eachother, heh.
and maybe spirits that come back more often than others just really like seeing the things we're up to

[faint pawn]

Okay so what's the deal with the starlight desert?
Does it function as some sort of prison? Why are all the spirits there, except for the little prince, chained?

Question №2:
Was there a different way to get to Eden through the desert?

[faint pawn]

... I guess not everyone has the privilege of being able to go through portals to get where they need like sky kids, I didn't really think of that

[hushed steeple]

The thing about the starlight desert is that its kinda on the other side if the mountain
You go through a tunnel from Voult and come out on the other side, at basicly the end of the world from the perspective of places like Priery anf Isle of down

[lucid bridge]

The Starlight Desert (and the Season of the Little Prince) is all a reference to the book The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupery. The spirits are in chains as a reference to the behaviors that keep them bound to their unsatisfactory lifestyle. It’s a commentary on the how some behaviors of grown ups (greed, narcissism, chemical dependence, etc) are really bizarre when looked at through the eyes of a child without the social context.

Since it’s all a reference to an outside piece of work, the canonicity of the events (and location) of the starlight valley is iffy.

[hushed steeple]

Very true☺️

[cold sparrow]

My personal interpretation is that Starlight Desert is a bit of a metaphysical place. That one of the memory lanterns that held the story of a Little Prince leaked and warped the entire space, and the memories of spirits that were trapped nearby.
The chains are more symbolic, I think. They show them being weighted down by their own problems, their own silly adult duties.

[lucid bridge]

Also for question no 2: I always thought the ruins in the eden part of the starlight valley were things left behind by villages of ancestors who lived near the vault/mountain (and got obliterated by the storm)

[hushed steeple]

Although Im not entirely shure if the Statlight Desert (or at least the greater region that would theoreticly go beyond the specific seasonal are) can be writen off a "Le Pettit Prince" reference.

We cant tell for curtain if all future Voult seasons would be located inside the Voult.

[lucid bridge]

I really love that interpretation

[hushed steeple]

Thats an interesting perspective
It kinda in limbo if its true or not canon wise, but its a fascinating headcanon

Still, its also possible that this greater region is a bit strange.
The end of the world that (with the whole night theme), has a bit of dream logic to it🤔

Though that doesnt mean the lantern theory or some analagus effect could not have made it extra dream like

[faint pawn]

I guess I shouldn't wonder why there's a stack of giant books made out of earth floating in the clouds since it's not 100% canonical

I feel like the Vault itself hides more mysteries than Eden (or what it used to be)

[cold sparrow]

My argument for that is that there are several spots within the vault that seem to kind of... lose the clarity of reality. The upper floors of the vault (just before you step out of the vault into the hard, gritty, abandoned entrance to the Eye of Eden), the archive with its floating boxes, the outside of the Repository of Refuge... They're all very dream-like, very surreal and almost impossible to exist like that within a structure like the vault.

While the upper floors may be an effect of the elevator we travel with, which seems to use crystals like the ones for shared spaces which project scenery around the crystal... The other two areas just look broken down, the edges of reality dissolving. And we see broken and unfunctional memory lanterns, everywhere.

Starlight Desert might be the same, but pushed to an extreme, with fictional creations like the Little Prince somehow becoming tangible and autonomous.

[hushed steeple]

Well it is a collab season
Like Aurora the absolute canonisity of the event is kinda in question😅

[hushed steeple]

Well this whole region is ment to represent "Night"

Dream logic is probably a feature of the region
(If not strictly canonicly then most curtainly thematicly)

[hushed steeple]

That makes perfect sence.
There were probably a lot more stuff a long time ago, especially further in where the storm is stronger and the krill are partoling.

Starlight desert seams to be located just outside the blight zone. The end of the world.
The strong air current that passes near the see (wind path) is the only way to really get to this region without boats or risking the endless desert and waistland.

[hushed steeple]

Well like I said, no, you couldent get to edan through the desert.
The desert is most likely on the other side of the Mountain compared to Isle of down and a lot of the early regions (and very far away if we compate how the Mountain looks compared to places lije Vallay, where its way bigger no mater what the perspective.

Besides, going to Edan through the desert is just as inposible a dangerous as going up the Mountain starting from its base in Waistland. You would never make it.

The goal is to reach the Voult, as that will take you most of the way there useing the lift, makeing the trip through Edan actually survivable😅

[faint pawn]

Off topic but why do you spell the location names so weirdly

[sharp lichen]

Likely a translation problem

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s a case by case basis. Sometimes, they’re just the only one left. Other times, they probably were a community leader of sorts and helped the spirits get together.

[hushed steeple]

Becouse Im terrible at spelling😅
English is not my native language, so I've developed proper diction thanks to movies, reading books and comunicating with people, but never studied the spelling and grammer to any extencive level

Off topic, did you understand my post at all😅

[rugged stump]

Just a reminder, if the Aurora in-game is supposed to be/be like the Aurora in real life, the collab made AT LEAST one thing that i unfortunately can't say on this very much family friendly server, canon in the game. If you don't know what i mean, watch/remember some of the interviews with her

[nimble ingot]

That.... Aurora swears?
(Am keeping things relatively above board here. But am not sure what you are implying other than Aurora is human. And being human, she knows how to behave in front of the audience. And being an adult, can do whatever she likes in her free time.)

[nimble ingot]

In any case, Aurora being canon/not canon/plausibly canon/or even meta-canon for all we know. It is open to debate.
Because the lore of Sky is open to interpretation.

Not everything in the lore we discuss here is gospel. While we do have a few nuggets to branch off with theories, to which we continue to build off that.

A nice upside is with Aurora in the game, we may get a rough idea of how tall our skykids compared to a person with using Aurora for scale.
Granted it is still possible not everything in the game may be consistent, nor accurate. Having any means to measure the world is better than none, lol.

[edgy kernel]

By that thought if they reference a sky developer ingame then everything theyve ever done is canon to sky, which by extension earth and by extension all of human history

[nimble ingot]

Jenova Chen's ghost was cursing at skykids and turning them into crabs.
I'd say he could be a worse offender than Aurora /j

[edgy kernel]

TGC is hiding the portal to sky somewhere, i just know it

[nimble ingot]

Let's hope it is not in bathroom stall #2 XD

[cold sparrow]

if I meet Jenova at a con, can I finally become crab

[edgy kernel]

real and true lore straight from TGC

[nimble ingot]

Imagine people make crab jokes around the man from now on, lol.

Honestly, did not expect TGC would do that in the game.
I hope we can be crabs again in the future. It will be a while till we get to see days of mischief again next year 💀

[faint pawn]

Next time it'll be krills

[dreamy wave]

These poor mantas are stuck forever?

Nvm

[hushed steeple]

Ooo, do you have more picks of that place from before the mantas got released?
I forgot to take picks at the time and now Im regreting it😅

[dreamy wave]

Unfortunately no

[light minnow]

My first time getting crabbed with when i first went to Eden's eye
I didn't know the crab spell was a thing so i thought eden did that to me
And i spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to un-crab myself to proceed towards the end

[light minnow]

So i had a question
What even are the krill?

[cold sparrow]

we just don't know
all we know from an interview is that they're corrupted creatures of some sort

[light minnow]

So they aren't naturally like this
And do we know anything about the corrpution of the crabs and such?

[hushed steeple]

Conclussivly...no😅
There are theory's of plenty, and many small hints to these questions all over the game world, but there are still too many gaps to really put all the peaces together and paint a compleat picture

[edgy kernel]

In this mural way in the water i think of abyss, it shows what we know as the leviathan, but it looks way skinnier and covered in wings, and is even as bright as the rest of the light creatures.
Considering we also see a small krill in memories there from the abyss spirits, im guessing some of the multi wing mantas turned into small krills

no idea what exactly caused them to change because in that image things seem not crazy there

[sharp lichen]

Given the scale of the mural, the leviathan depicted may be the same as the leviathan we see in the present

[edgy kernel]

Another thought is maybe krills are from somewhere else entirely, but came in here and ate all the light creatures, maybe the krill who ate the big guy at the bottom got real huge

in the aurora memory there are small and large krills, so quite possibly they grew over time as they collected more light from creatures

[hushed steeple]

Its possible, though Im more enclined to say no

Considering the fact that krill being corupted light creatures is being diirectly comfermedby TGS.
The fact that mantas and other light creatures were sacreficed to produce more powerfull and numerous crystals,
The fact that the Abyss is covered with infrastucture and murals depicting industry and crystal production/refinery on a level unserpassed in the rest of the world
And all the hints that mantas were being experimented on in the underground facileties.....

Well it just makes way to much thematic sence that the krill and 1000 eyed beast (laviathan) were the foult of the people in Abyss (kinda like karmik punishmant and them unknowingly creating the monster that destroyed them)

I do agree about the part about the tiny krill growing over time

[edgy kernel]

Yeah, im more inclined to think of it being that way. I could probably imagine it as some of the more experimented on creatures turned, and then they fed on the others in their enclosed tanks and grew bigger, then eventually escaped.

i dont remember all the times krill were depicted in murals, but i know theres a singular one in prophecy cave, hiding under the clouds. That might be interpreted as "they were always around and we made it worse" or a warning that where the kingdom was heading at its height wasnt all sunshine and rainbows

I wonder how much light would be in a krill if we popped one

[hushed steeple]

Thats a good question
Im assuming eather a whole tone worth or not that much, depending on the krill
The thing about krill is that they are kinda like black holes when it comes to consumein light, unsationable and constantly seaking more, while not letting any of it out, effectively removing that light from the cycle of light and starving the life force of the enviroment.

Inerestly, old concept art of dark creatures show that given enough time they they could grown tired and starve, as they had exhosted the light energy that they had devoured, They would die, turning into back crystal, and remain so until the plavers burn away the dark shell to reveal the used up glob of light inside.
This would be eventually replaced by dark plants as the main sorce for gathering light outside of candles.

[edgy kernel]

Oooh Those formations kinda maybe remind me of the black shattering shards we have now too

[hushed steeple]

this is probably not how it works in the curent lore, but it is a interesting bit of sky ecology thats fun to headcanon about
Perhaps Krill were originally overflowing with light within them that they used to grow bigger and bigger, and since then they are on autoplote, crusing at predictible paterns and useing minimal energy, adding to there light quantity once in a while by eating the ocasional manta or other light being

[hushed steeple]

Endeed.
TGS likes to recycle old concepts that never made it into the original lounch to produce new things

[light minnow]

Hey i was wondering
What even is up with sky children
Do they have a role of guiding spirits to the afterlife or something ?

[sharp lichen]

I think Skykids have many purposes, including guiding the spirits, helping the sky creatures flourish, and rebuilding the world

After all the Ancestor Spirits died, I suppose Skykids were created to have a new generation fill the world in a better way

[hushed steeple]

dont forget pereodicly clearing dark plants and returning the stolen light back in curculation

[mortal sparrow]

Did TGC ever establish what the ancestor spirits were originally called when they were alive?

[hushed steeple]

Ancester
A tleast thats whaat there called from the sky kid point of view😅

[mortal sparrow]

Really?

So they're just called ancestor? What about the younger spirits?

[hushed steeple]

there all ancesters.

[hushed steeple]

They are kinda like the old race of humanoid sky inhabitants that died out ages ago
We are the new generationc, comeing down to earth as shooting stars and materialising into phisical beings

[hushed steeple]

It is not entirely clear if the ansesters were themselfs stars in there pure light form before comeing to earth, but in the in-game text of the first murals in Isle of Down, it is stated that they were "given birth by starlight", so there souls too were light energy comeing down from above and takeng phisical form, though still different to us skykids

[sharp lichen]

It will probably be revealed in the Two Embers show, but I guess they will be called Ancestors still, since they are the precursors to Skykids

[native galleon]

I don’t think they’de be called ancestors while they were alive, but I’m never sure what to call them in contexts where they would be

[signal spire]

Oh hey lol

[light minnow]

Hi

[gleaming kayak]

Hi

[signal spire]

Does everyone in sky eventually experience rebirth? Is it something natural upon death or only for the pilgrimage to eden?

[dreamy saddle]

in the concept art, its implies that light creatures migrate to eden and are reborn into potentially higher forms

personally i think this is supported by the fact that we see streams of birds throughout nearly every realm (even eden) all heading for that point of rebirth. Even in orbit we see trails of creatures all flying into rebirth

also yo lore chat this concept art looks like its got the megabird sigil (one found in office water mural) literally placed on the side of the (presumably eden) mountain

which is cool, very much like irl geoglyphs

[hushed steeple]

most curtainly not.
But WE still call them ancesters, and thats the best we could do for now.
Of course, in universe they themselfs might not have had a proper name to call themself as a colective, or if they did it would probaby be a word that in there own language would just translate as "people", or some kind of similar descriptor.
After all, why would they need to come up with anything more specific when its just them and the "animals" . With sky kids becomeing a thing there is a point to make a destinction, so the old people are given the name "ancester"

[edgy kernel]

huh, considering all the bird migration all the way there towards eden and even inside it, it makes me think the eden crystal was placed inside that end of life stream, or maybe right before it, to just absorb every light creature naturally heading there to end their life cycle and be reborn. then maybe either it wasn't built enough to possibly contain it all, and shattered, or its just kinda sitting there blocking the cycle until we kinda help things get through it.

[dreamy saddle]

oooh i never even considered that that's how the eden crystal powered itself but that would make sense.
I also wonder if the power crystals could be powered by memories, like how memory lanterns in vault power the elevator. what if all the memories in vault within the mountain eden sits on were used to power the crystal? maybe the mysterious storage of them we see in entrance to vault archives?

[hushed steeple]

Great observaion
And the funny thing is, this particular concept art was made real in the game at one point. In early phases of "Light Awaits" beta testimg, you could see the mountain side with the patern of Megabird from waistland.
This was soon change and the mountain was obscured compleatly, but it is interesting to think that this might still be a thing in the curent canon of sky

[dreamy saddle]

oooh cool! makes sense if, as according to concept art, it was once seen as a holy place

...why is my nickname 'treva the horrible' lmaooo i did not make it that

fixed it haha (why is there a role called haunted tho thats weird)

[edgy kernel]

"eden" is often used with like, paradise or holy site connotations i think, so that makes sense heh.

kinda wild for the elders to put the light creature absorbing mega crystal right in the middle of the literal lifestream of the light creature's life cytle

i wonder how long it took to start changing the world. like maybe the eden crystal was around for years and everyone benefitted from it before things started degrading like wasteland, or isle of dawn into a desert. kinda like mass industrialization before we realized we were polluting the world.

in the last shattering memory all the elders were there, maybe trying to find a way to fix things, before it kinda just exploded.
I dont think its super clear if the shattering took out everyone in the realms in an instant, or if the world was already heading out before it exploded

( also the skybot randomly nickname changes to haunt people i think for mischief LOL )

[hushed steeple]

That might be true, though it might have been even more extream then that. The Diamond semas to be build over the light piller that conects the mortal realm to orbit and allowes creatures to ascend.
What if the plan was to hijack the life stream itself for power, taping into the energy of Megabird itsels, and by extention slowly suck up souls of light creatures comeing in for ascention and pure light of creatures jet to materialize on earth.

Whatever the case, my headcanon is that the diamond probably didnt last all to long. Despite employibg the totallity of the ancesters knowlige, skill and mastery of light in order to make it, the deamond was nowhere near capible to acomplish this task safely, and very quickly become corupted and went totally out of controll, resolting in the great shatering and the destruction of the old world.
In there arogance and overestimation of there abileties, the ancesters had seald there doom

[edgy kernel]

im really curious how long it would have been from its creation til destruction now, like maybe some knew about it and tried to oppose it, and thats why there were wars and fighting with all the spears everywhere over some places

the prophecy cave also has what looks like a sky kid in the middle of everything, maybe they had the wild idea that if they collected ALL light from those creatures, they'd be able to create what was in the prophecy ( and, well, when we die in eden we do meet a light fella who might be trapped in there )

[queen orbit]

chat I have a question Why skykids go to eden？💀Im a vet but still get confused

[edgy kernel]

I believe over the journey through the realms you're freeing spirits from the darkness that has basically imprisoned them, and you go to eden to free all the people there too. maybe its the proximity to eden or how corrupted they are up there, but you end up having to give away your own light as just holding out your candle is no longer enough

[hushed steeple]

I think the "sky kid" you speak off is the prince/king
the whole painting feels very figurative, describing a figure that managed to compleat all the triles alone where all others failed, and how he would become the ruller of the land to unite all the realms and elders under one kingdom, witht he land that we know as edan being the capital of this new kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Honestly thats one of the biggest problesm with unlocking the secrets of sky lore. We have a whole lot of data on specific locations, events, memories, couses, and conflicts, but much of the order of events is left uncurtain.
Its like an archologist who finds loads of ruins.scrolls and artifacts that reveal mountains of information about specific sites in isolation, but has no way to date anything

This is one of the aspects that I am most looking forward about the animated series. Knowing for curtain what happened when would give much needed perspective that can hellp better understand the specific events themselfs

[edgy kernel]

too bad we cant pop into their memories and take a look over towards where eden would be hehehe. like see the beam of light in the sky or something in the distance

[hushed steeple]

who's memories?

[edgy kernel]

any of the spirits really, anyone with a clear view of the floating castle in the distance. like maybe sometimes you look over there and its still just a mountain and a beam of light, no castle

[hushed steeple]

aaa, I see
Yeah, that would be great
But then again, that might be spoilers from TGS point of view🤣

[edgy kernel]

i'd love a season where we look through a telescope or something, maybe to look at the stars, but also to look at eden.

maybe the spirit looks a bit confused as to why we want to look there of all places

[hushed steeple]

I think we had a descussion about a season based around that concept a while ago. I think it was something like an observatory and reserch area near starlight desert established by Voiult scholers

[edgy kernel]

that sounds really fun, i know there were also old constellations for seasons like flight but those aren't able to be seen ingame anymore, id kinda love to see em again. maybe those would fit really well in somewhere like the aviary hub, where you could use it as some kind of progress tracker for old seasonal spirits and things.

[signal spire]

Can only creature of light be reborn? Aka not turn into spirits?

[edgy kernel]

I've heard people refer to the light creatures in the vault as possibly being spirits of them. though I've leaned more towards them being projections from vault memory stones myself

[nimble ingot]

Excellent question.

I would not know, since I dont think anything like that happened.

However, one could use storytelling logic from Journey as a possible theory we may test out if that were to happen in Sky.
In Journey, there was a scene where the serpent guardians fly past the wayfarer as they ascended with the help of the guardians giving them power.
The war machines seem desperate to break through the clouds. As the wayfarer passes through, two of the war machines did too.
However, they transformed into a creature known in the game as cloth guardians, or whales.

If I were to caution a guess on whether there would be a dark creature to ascend with the skykids in Sky. It could be the dark dragons.
When they ascend, they may transform into their pure versions. Possibly restoring them from their corrupted state.
We don't know how creatures are reborn exactly, as we have not seen this event in person (that I am aware of). Though if one might assume, it is similar to skykids, with their lighting falling to the ground (or water as it seems).

Why I would think this is for the following reasons:
But first to premise, the lore of the Journey universe is not connected to Sky directly. Sky is a spiritual successor, which means even though the games are not directly related to each other. They follow a similar formula from the same company. There is some limitations on how we can make these connections with the evidence given, because the games have different goals.

• Both games focus on a character on a Journey through different parts of a fallen kingdom towards a summit on top of a monolithic mountain.

• Both games have a dangerous enemy creature that cannot be attacked, killed or avoided completely. And both seem to guard and patrol near the mountain.

• The War Machines are creatures the ancient civilians seems to used in a fight, before the creatures turned on them. The Dark dragons do not seem to have a direct connection to the ancestors. Though this could be a mystery TGC is keeping secret. I'd think that becuase the ancestors did fight them in the war, so they did know about them. The ancestors did rely on creatures, so it would make sense they might haver tried to tame and use a creature as large and powerful as a dragon.

• The whale name could be a parallel to the dark dragons. Although this is admittedly a long shot. Because during development of Sky, there was once a creature seen in concept art that hinted at the Developers considering to use this massive creature's appearances in the realms to forshadow an event in the end of the Eden. This has went though several changes and this creature was replaced by the Sky Whale. However, this creature that I like to call an eel was also seen in Eden's concept art (more like a glimpse of it from a timeline image, but still), may have been a precursor to the dark dragons we see today.

I love TGC's games and the lore they weave into them.
I would be amazed if the devs were going about making their games in an artistic fashion that focuses on a story or theme they would like to explore in their game design and world building.

For a game with a simple and whimsical look, there are deep meanings embedded in the lore. A philosophical concept for players to read from in between the lines.
It is fun mental puzzle for artists to analyse and dissect. ❤️

[signal spire]

Perhaps sky kids are reborn for the purpose of cleansing darkness and helping spirits ascend to their constellations?

[nimble ingot]

That is correct.

When you complete your first playthrough in Sky. A line of text appears on the screen for the player.
"The real Journey starts here..."

This means that ascending is not a once off thing.
I find this very interesting when a video game lets the player come back to from an end game event.
It not only implies there is a replayable cycle that extends the hours put into the game. It also gives the player a chance to progress further with continuing to level-up or upgrade their items.

[signal spire]

I do wonder how spirits become spirits. Do they just die? Or do they somehow ascend via reaching their temples.

[nimble ingot]

They fell (died).
We may not know how they exactly died or become ghosts.
Though it may be safe to assume the spirit of the fallen can get trapped if they have unfinished business/wishes, and/or prevented from passing on.

[signal spire]

Its interesting how spirits fly towards the light in eden as well. But arent reborn like we are

[nimble ingot]

There might be more that scene than what the game would show us.
They do ascend and rejoin the stars. They might be destined to stay up there.

[tribal otter]

GUYS
THE OLD DAWN DOOR
IT LOOKS LIKE AVIARY'S

[nimble ingot]

It does, good eye Yv 🙂

These were older versions in the concept art.
That means that not everything may be exactly what the final products would be.

It is still cool to see the design at least made it to the game as something else. Namely, as the gate for Aviary.
Mind you though, the gate we go through in Orbit is the same one.

[tribal otter]

Oh that's true

[native galleon]

the megabird image!!!

[tribal otter]

Well, kinda-- the gate doesn't have a frame but it is surrounded by the trails (or wings) of the MB

[nimble ingot]

I assure you the portal we go through is a stone frame one.
When you are near it, the light coming from it tends to take up the screen.
But from a distance the scaled portal frame is visible.

This is an old photo, but does show some of the frame's silouhette

[cerulean wyvern]

I need lore, about how the king got corrupted and how krills were made

[nimble ingot]

Welp, that's my que to go to bed.
I need sleep, lol

(to give a short answer)

The king is absent in the realms, or at least they are here but not in a way us skykids would expect. There have veen a lot theories over time about it.

krills are corrpted creatures. it is possible they were corrupted in the shattering explosion in Eden. The final memroy in season of Shatering may be a hint to that event.

[sharp lichen]

Presumably yes, the cycle to Orbit is something that every light creature seems to go through

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that the spirits were unable to fly, thus they couldn’t access Eden and Orbit and be reborn. So, they crumbled into darkness and became spirits.

It’s worth nothing we do see light creatures turn into spirits, in the Shattering memories.

[lone hamlet]

I'm currently writing a story full of lore, and the characters are travelling through golden wasteland. This was before the fall where the whole of wasteland is destroyed, but they're currently in a war. Any lore ideas?

[sharp lichen]

Raider with another W day of absolutely insane text walls

[sharp lichen]

Ah, Fruitzie will want you. (Inside joke)

But I’ll be a bit vague, and ask some questions:

-How did the war start? Did the unique conditions of Wasteland cause conflict to happen, or was there civil unrest in all the realms?

-Who were fighting in the war? Was it loose and disorganized, or were there professional armies? Who were they fighting for?

-In many pieces of concept art, Wasteland and Valley were connected in the past. How does this factor into the story? Is there rivalry between the Elders?

-How does Eden play a role in all this? It was still important, but it was not as destroyed as it is today. We also find evidence of shields in Eden in the current game. Did the residents of Eden put up a fight?

I don’t want you to answer all these, just use these to inspire you for the story . Maybe you might want something more specific idk

[lone hamlet]

before I go on a long explanation, were these rhetorical?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah kindof, just meant to help you on the story

I may want to see a finished version once you’re done, I’ve done some Sky writing myself in the past

[lone hamlet]

oh epic! tysm

Is there any lore that might help me decide how the state of Wasteland was? It's still in a very bad draft stage so there are plot holes everywhere

[sharp lichen]

Sky doesn’t really have conclusive evidence, moreso the things in the game are set there to inspire interpretations.

However, TGC did do a lore post about the Golden Wasteland, which is extremely rare: https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284265047229739008?s=21&t=3i13C8fDomxEEWzlZxQnzw

[lone hamlet]

OOOOO TYSMM

[sharp lichen]

They also posted this in the Valley section, implying that the Golden Wasteland and Valley of Triumph were connected. “Golden Valley” is just the first word of each realm

[lone hamlet]

Oooh - well in my story they're allies against Eden so 😮 this is really useful tyy

[tribal otter]

I always considered Masters Samekh to be close to General Tsadi but during the war it was only Tsadi who was corrupted
His realm is extremely corrupted and it seems he was very close to Resh as well, considering the statues throughout the wasteland

While the Valley, split from Wasteland, remained untouched as the Twins did not find meaning or lust for power within the corruption

Also, while the Valley was a place centered around the happiness of spirits, Tsadi's Wasteland was an industrial pocket of the kingdom, as it holds machinery, tunnels and pipes, and one of Teth's factories

[signal spire]

Do we have any collection of all the names. For someone who doesnt know its kinda hard to keep track lol

[cold sparrow]

From Alasdair:

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

The devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day or Daylight
Forest – Rain
Valley– Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk 
Vault – Night

The names are not official or canon - and may be confusing to newbies, as you note - which is why their use has actually been discouraged by the devs and/or mods.

[signal spire]

Thanks!

[native galleon]

are we talking about golden valley

[cerulean wyvern]

Golden wasteland lore? W h e r e

[native galleon]

this reminded me to stop procrastinating on my own project thank u

[native galleon]

here are some summaries i did recently, based on evidence in the game (this is just my interpretation, if you want to come up with your own ideas, look at your own risk) #lore-discussion-spoilers message|
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[oak parrot]

hello！

[tribal otter]

Welcome to the land of Sky addicts
Here we make theories instead of sleeping

[acoustic pivot]

Dunno if Im late to notice this but they look alike

[dense inlet]

Is there any mention of a priestess in Sky concepts? I've heard about the priestess in some of the social spaces (social media, not like the social spaces in some of the realms) of the Sky community and I'm wondering if there's information about the priestess being part of Sky's past concepts

Or is the priestess just a popular headcanon?

[lost pecan]

I believe in some of the very early concept art, the Priestess was the original Elder in place of the Valley Twins. Here's a photo from TGC's Twitter from Days of Sky(They're off on the far right, with the label 'Samekh' beneath them)

There do seem to be remnants of the Priestess idea in-game, such as the statues that are present as you approach the coliseum after the sliding/flying races.(This picture here is from Reika Yoshino's Artstation account, where there's some assets and environmental screenshots displayed)

There is also this symbol here that depicts a full diamond and two half-diamonds, which some believe may be a nod to one Singular and two Halves, much like the concept art featured only One elder at first in place of the Twins we know today.

At the moment, that's the most I personally know about this previous incarnation of the Valley Elders. I do believe there's a tumblr post floating around somewhere that explains things a little better, but I'll have to look for it

[lost pecan]

Though, technically speaking, using the theory that the Valley Twins were once One elder and then broke into Two when they fell, this could also symbolize that. Like I said, there's still a lot we don't really know, especially in regards to the Elders.

[native galleon]

That symbol is found a lot throughout Wasteland and on the Eden gate as well

[hushed steeple]

I really dont think that this symbol has anything to do with the "Singuler and two Halves" theory, as this same patern is found in many different variations boath in Waistland and in Voult

[lost pecan]

Ooooo fair

I just know that at least one person I think(?) I've seen has brought it up as evidence 😅

[hushed steeple]

Not saying this invalidates the theory, only that this syblol has nothing to do with it

[lost pecan]

Oh yeah of course

[hushed steeple]

If I were to give my two sence on the meaning of this symbol (Though I do not clame this IS the true meaning, only one interpretation). I would say that this symbol had in a way symbolic of the great Mountain on which edan and found, and where he capital of the sky kingdom was at. This by extention perresents the unity of the different realms into one sky kingdom that existed bellow Edan.
That Valley.Waistland and Voult are the ones that have this symbol and not the other three could easaly be explained that most of the advances that major and most segnificant building projects in these realms were done in a later period after the widespread aplication of crystal technology and the increased unity and interdependence of the realms that necesetated it

[signal spire]

I wonder why sky kids are reborn in this kingdom specifically. I wonder if it entails that everyone from lands outside eventually made the pilgrimage and ascended?

[hushed steeple]

That does bring up the question if there are any other lands beyond the sky continent and its surounding islands, which as of yet we see no evidence off
Looking at sky history as best as we understand it, the ancesters first begone there existance around the region of Isle of down, and later expanded into new lands on the continent and islands.
These formed into the 6 realms, each with an elder as there guide, and the union and cooperation of these realms, pluss the realm in Edan, formed what many refear as the "sky kingdom"

[light grail]

Here’s an idea I like and would appreciate it if someone can find some evidence to back this claim

I like to imagine that sky kids loses all their memories from past lifetimes and after being reborn, all of the winged lights are actually fragments of memories sky kids are able to collect. I like to imagining this because it may drive a sky kid insane knowing they’re in an infinite loop of death and rebirth. Maybe all of the winged lights in Eden were memories that was too much to handle, causing the sky kids to give up their winged lights to the fallen

[signal spire]

Why would they take a pilgrimage if not already outside the kingdom then? Were pilgrimages even a thing lol, I remember hearing it but can’t remember the evidence

[hushed steeple]

They do technicly come from outside the kingdom. Its called orbit😅
This doesnt mean that there is a kingdom on earth that is seperate from the influance of the ancesters

[signal spire]

Did all ancestors come from orbit? Even before becoming spirits?

[hushed steeple]

Seams so. Or to put it more acurately, the energy that give them life and forms there souls come from orbit (or more specificly Megabird)
It is stated in the mural text at the start of Isle of Down that "we were all given birth from starlight" and "we longed to return to the stars"

[dense inlet]

thanks y'all for the responses to my question!

[signal spire]

So is pilgrimage something that actually happens? They return to the stars via temples right?

[hushed steeple]

Kinda.
Though mostly through edan

It is mentioned in all the concept art that light creatures at the end of there lifetime make a journey to edan in order to "ascent" to the heavens and reunite with Megabird, after which they can reincarnate.
It had been mentioned in these that megabird grows stronger through the cycle of light, and that for creatures this cycle is almost analogs to evolution, as larger and more complex sky creatures are the result of continuous reincarnation.

Now how much of this is aplicable to the curent game is somewhat in question, but considering that large groupings of birds and even mantas are seen migration towards Edan at vareous lication, it is safe to assume that some of this is still true

It is interesting to knote that in much earlyer versions of the story, the souls of the ancesters and sky kids were ment to be human souls who are on this journey through this land that is entirely in the clouds
This is where the idea of the "pilgramige" comes from.

Of course this was scrapped very early on, along with the concept of sky having aplects of the human world mixed in within itself

[tribal otter]

There's reason to believe that there are lands outside Sky. In the Aurora concert, during "Runaway" there is a line of people making a trek through the Isle, heading toward the Ferryman's temple. The Isle is mentioned to be the Gateway to the rest of Sky. Also, there are pictures of unknown territories in the trailers for Two Embers.

The first trailer released is in a chronological format. The child migrates through different areas, some places filled with people. He comes to a stop near the Isle of Dawn.

The Isle depicts tents and boats lines up as if they were put up for travellers that lived outside the area.

Also, the elder's stars in some murals show them falling DIRECTLY into their respective realms.

[hushed steeple]

I naver said here werent areas outside the sky, only that there are no kingdoms outside of it

[tribal otter]

You said lands. Sorry, I got confused 😅

[hushed steeple]

Although this does beg the question of what do you define as the "Land of sky". After all, is the aviary and home part of sky?

[hushed steeple]

My argument was more on the idea that there are no other continents (that we know of) and developed lands that the ancestors left to enter into this larger landmass whare they established there culture.
If there are then there is no mention or evidence of it anywhere beyond just the act of migration as an observable thing

[hushed steeple]

Still, I could be wrong on this, so we will have to wait and see what the animation has to show us

[signal spire]

I wonder what chooses the temple that they pilgrimage to. Is it, fate?

[hushed steeple]

well its edan isnt it. Thats the main pilgramage

[tribal otter]

The bells call everyone to each temple on the path. But it does make you wonder why people were migrating to Eden and its realms. How did they hear of it?

There is the possibility that there was another darkness spreading outside of the kingdom. It does mention that darkness was there even before the Fall and Resh's corruption

[hushed steeple]

Reincarnation of course
That was the whole cycle of light and reincarnation thing I was talking about before

[tribal otter]

That can be true. However, why would Eden be that center? It's true that you enter Orbit mainly through Eden, but you definitely can die in other places, by running out of wings

[hushed steeple]

that is true, but in that case you probably dont reincarnate, and you light just becomes part of the light stream
That sky kind reincarnate anyways seams more like a gameplay feature

[tribal otter]

But if that's true, then there would be no reincarnation before the Eden stone

[hushed steeple]

Not at all
The edan stone was not the thing that alowes reincarnation. The BEAM OF LIGHT is
The edan stone way build WAAAAAAAY later. In fact what we see in edan at the moment has absolutly nothing to do with how things were at the start.
All of that was build later.

[tribal otter]

OHHHHHH
Oh I see it now

That actually makes sense. It would explain why no spirits are reincarnated, and instead stayed in Orbit.

[hushed steeple]

This is even referenced in the concept art, where its is said that these actiones were made to "escape the cycle of reincarnation"

The edan stone and all that we see in edan now are in a way ment to opose the cycle of reincarnation and pilgramage
At least that was the very old version of the story, where gaining imortality was a big part of the lore
That whole thing is kinda uncurtain now

[tribal otter]

But I do have a question. If that is the case, then why are homes built outside of Eden and not on it? And do all creatures of Light and ancestors have an instinctual urge to go to that beam, from the moment they are born?

[hushed steeple]

The are not drown to the beam at bearth, they go there near the end of there life cycle
At least that is the case for sky creatures

[tribal otter]

Ah- how is that? The Eden Stone built and the Eden Stone now have two different purposes. Are you saying that the darkness found a chance to oppose the reincarnation cycle in the form of the Eden stone? What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't seem Resh built that Stone specifically to opposed the MB. The king, as mentioned in the Two Embers took his chances to help Sky and its peoples. Not doom them.

[hushed steeple]

That is a very good question
I dont know what the situationis with the changing lore.
The lore of the king and the elders is the thing that has gone through the most drastic change of all thematicly over the course of the games development
That has even been stated by TGS themselfs.
Admitedly my talk of the Edan stone oposing the cycle of reincarnation is more figurative, and more to emphesise the point that it was entirely unconected with the whole concept of pilgramage and reincarnation.
The beam of light semas to have been a natural phenomenon in sky ages before any settlements were built in that region

[tribal otter]

I see.
However, I do like your theory. It's got a few holes but it's a solid case for Eden, the beam, the pilgrimage, and the Eden Stone.

[hushed steeple]

Also, for your coment about Two Embers, yes he did want to help Sky. That doesnt mean that his solution didnt doom it anyway.
It was stated in the interview that the king become corupted i his path to help sky.
After all, you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[hushed steeple]

I think the edan diamond was made more as an atempt to gain emense powerm by which he could better help the problems of the world and maintain the prosperty a kingdom that had grown way to massive to controle, and was paying an increasingly hight price for that prosperety.
The problem is that the old sky civilization likely overestimated there mastery of sky tech, and underestimated the size of the task which they were undertaking. so the stone eventually melfunctioned, bacome corupt and went compleatly out of cuntrole
And them..
BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

[tribal otter]

I wonder... In the mural in Eden, it shows beams similar to the MB's wings, moving out of it and covering the people of the mountain.
Could the Stone have been used as a sort of reflective surface? To reflect the Beam, covering the entirety of the mountain, or possibly the whole kingdom?
Like... he's reducing the pilgrimage. He's opposing the MB's creation and trying to take the gateway of Orbit under his own control.

That's just a theory. I have no proof of it lmao

[hushed steeple]

The storm is the creation of the corupt Edan Diamond.
That was deffinetly not the plan

[tribal otter]

Yes, but I mean
Resh didn't want a storm. He wanted to expand the reach of the Beam. But in doing so, opposed the MB's will and was punished for it.

[hushed steeple]

I dont think those lines have anything to do with the beam
I think thats showes more the glory of Resh and how all people were united under him, including the 6 elders

[tribal otter]

Alr. Still, they do look a lot like MB's wings

[hushed steeple]

possibly
Though if that were the case the rays would not be eminating crom him

[tribal otter]

Ah- gtg
I'll talk more later ^^

[hushed steeple]

ok

[signal spire]

Ok, to my understanding.
All the ancestors were originally created in the stars, came to the earth, and need to make a pilgrimage to their respective elder to return to the stars?

[tribal otter]

Nah, they had to get to the beam on top of Eden
At least that's what viksa and I were theorizing

[mortal sparrow]

Is there a way to write all of this down because I can't keep up with the messages 😭

[signal spire]

Sorry i havent been keeping up. Why do you think this is?

[tribal otter]

Basically we started discussing whether there are lands outside of the kingdom, and why people were heading toward Eden. Viksa presented a theory that to be reincarnated, you had to enter the beam of light that has always been on the Mountain. Then we got to the Eden Stone, and that while it wasn't originally made for a bad purpose, the corruption took its chances to take it over and try to prevent the pilgrimage back up to Orbit and end the cycle of pilgrimage and reincarnation

[signal spire]

Hm, in my interpretation right now only light creatures go to eden for rebirth. The others go to their respective temples to join their constellation

[undone harbor]

lore chat. people. turned. crabs. do you see the vision

there could very well be a village in wasteland right now. and that village consists of crabs

crabs that were once people

[dreamy saddle]

OH I HAVE A THEORY ABOUT THIS @undone harbor

Behold my crabs-are-people theory

[undone harbor]

kissing your braincells rn mwah

the (crack) theory came to me because well. days of mischief
crabs hitting people and people turning into crabs

[dreamy saddle]

they’re contagious /j

[undone harbor]

and in sky we canonically have un-dark crabs and dark crabs

[dreamy saddle]

Yeah my crab theory unfortunately doesn’t account well for the regular normal crabs lmao

[undone harbor]

the darkness came, and people were crabbed
was this the carcinization the prophecy has told?
the height of evolution?

[dreamy saddle]

Prophecy spirits scratching their heads looking at the murals and it’s all just depicting crabs lmaooo

[undone harbor]

there are crab spells too, so who knows if the spellmakers in sky made a crab spell

[undone harbor]

"ITS THE GREAT BIRD'S WILL, YOU WOULDN'T GET IT SMH"

[dreamy saddle]

Meanwhile, the megabird: tying napkin around neck cartoon-style with a table ready for dinner
(Idk something something birds eating crabs)

[undone harbor]

you're leaving the mortal plane to become a god's dinner. (and possibly meeting your dead friends and family). slay.

[dreamy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-hungry-dinner-ready-to-eat-excited-gif-17500339

[dreamy saddle]

But then you’re reborn. So. Infinite dinner? Megabird is onto something
(Also weird that the gif sent as a link idk)

[undone harbor]

idk the spirits aren't exactly reborn
like the people are turned into crabs but the human spirit is still in the crab physical form? like that?

[dreamy saddle]

Oh boy I… that’s a lot of words for my brain to grasp rn.
Makes me think tho, obv creatures of darkness don’t do the sort of Eden migration we see from light creatures, but creatures like normal crabs don’t either. Are they more neutral entities, neither light nor dark?

Oh what if instead of rebirth into a higher form, crabs do the opposite? Somehow absorbing darkness to go from normal to dark crab to red shard crab?

[undone harbor]

that would be terrifying to me
they just get more and more corrupted...eesh

or maybe that's just how it is, feasting on darkness
their natural forms

[signal spire]

Wait actually, this doesnt make sense. In the switch trailer it says before the stars fell right? Are those stars referring to the skykids?

[hushed steeple]

Actually that is corect
That was what I was refeating to with my concept art post

It is not entirely curtain weather ancesters had reincarnation in the same maner as sky creatures and sky kids, but it is a possabilety

[sharp lichen]

Probably, but it could also mean the stars disappearing/fading

[hushed steeple]

Also, the temple thing is something I intended to write to you about before, but got sidetracked with other descussions😅

[signal spire]

Right now i think im leaning towards skykids being some sort of aspect of megabird sent down to cleanse darkness. But it still wouldn’t explain other light creatures

[sharp lichen]

Skykids can do many things that light creatures can’t. Maybe they were sent down as a successor to the Ancestor Spirits

[hushed steeple]

Well if you look at it from a curtain point of view the whole "aspect" thing kinda apply's to all life😅
Its just the shape and concentation of lignt thats different

[signal spire]

Yeah lol but i mean this in a closer way if that makes sense. Like megabird sending down manifestations of itself in skykids which explains the flight.

[hushed steeple]

It is very possible that sky kids souls are much denser with light, which sets stem apart from sky creaturs, as possibly ancesters
Its the shape and consteuction of that light that probably makes the being what it is when it materialises

I dont think they are neceseraly manifestations of Megabird, but they are way higher on the lader then most other beings

[hushed steeple]

This is probably me makeing up stuff, but I think that the van diagram of (total light+consenteation of that light+shape of that light make a being what it is

Like an elder manta probably has way more light then a sky kid, but they are preaty huge, while a sky kid has a super dence light core
Stuff like that😅

And the shape of that core is probably different between sky kids, ancesters and elders, which might explain some differences in there properties and abileties

[undone harbor]

higher light-forms? (hehe)

can creatures commit arson? no. can skykids though? absolutely. therefore-

[sharp lichen]

THEREFORE WHAT

[jovial citrus]

Has anyone discussed here about the lore of starlight desert? I wanna know

[undone harbor]

starlight desert is based on the little prince, so its relevance to lore is more or less questionable
still, we can theorize whatever we want so go ahead
maybe use the search function and look up "starlight desert in: #lore-discussion-spoilers "

[full ridge]

This may sound kind of stupid, but what is the idea behind these bridges?

I mean, they have a mechanism that allows them to rebuild themselves, did the ancestors intentionally build them Already counting that they would eventually become ruins?

[light minnow]

Maybe that they're mechanisms that self repair to last as long as needed, but rely on light to do so
So without light they collapsed, but were able to be rebuilt once given light again

[tribal otter]

Or teth just did it to show off wheeze

[grim horizon]

@native galleon @nimble ingot one month later and (narci) fic update
i make a small indirect tlp reference

i have some idea in relation to lore that spirits are curious whenever skykids use spells

[native galleon]

i always thought it was a similar concept to a drawbridge where it can open up for a boat to pass through or something

[edgy kernel]

i kinda wonder if the water level was higher before, and the crystals made them float instead of sink to the bottom. could be that whole area was floating before via the power of those crystals

reminds me a little bit of the huge crashed ship in wasteland, which also seems to be in a puddle way too small for it

[devout wadi]

big ship in wasteland could also be a sky ship like the little boat we take there i cant figure out why theres water though

[edgy kernel]

Ahh true it could be, considering i think i remember the ark ( the other big crashed ship ) being a big and flying one

i wonder if during the shattering, all darkstone stuff suddenly all stopped working, all at once. Boats falling out of the sky, whole structures falling apart etc

[devout wadi]

oh you mean the big ship in crab fields!! i misread, i thought you meant the one in ark yes, the crab fields one might have been a waterfaring one.. the ark one i think was a sky boat haha

[devout wadi]

it would make a lot of sense! i wonder if we'll ever learn what the purple crystals we see powering everything are exactly. maybe the eden crystal (the BIG one) is a corrupted form of some kind of condensed light, and a bigger version of the crystals we see all over sky.

[edgy kernel]

I could also think that maybe the water was drained intentionally to be diverted somewhere else, but that seems weird and i dont think theyd leave their ship behind like that lol

wasteland might have had a much higher water level, too

[devout wadi]

that reminds me! i have a small theory (because of season of remembrance) that sky's nation isnt just a light vs dark thing, but the old world was made of at least two separate factions that were at war before the darkness arrived as a third party and destroyed everything. maybe some of the ships' weird locations/water being drained away are due to that war?

or, war theory aside, maybe the ship was attacked by the krill patrolling there and the soldiers on it had to beach it/abandon it as a distraction?

[edgy kernel]

hmmm, maybe if the ship was full of darkstone crystals or something that had bits of light in it, krills might sense it and think to patrol nearby, thats a fun thought

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but I think it was a more gradual process

The shattering destroyed all the light creatures, so there was no way to power anything, leading to a slow death by starvation

Your pick on which one’s worse

[sharp lichen]

Probably, as in the Wasteland Battlefield, we see two shields with different emblems. A star emblem and a diamond emblem

[tribal otter]

There are heavy scratches on the boat and something is attracting the krill and the crab
It could be possible that it's the winged light in the ship that's attracting the krill
Another theory is that the ship came from one of the factories we see on the horizon. There are heavy containers on the ship in the shape of power diamonds, indicating that there might be diamonds inside. Could the krill and the crabs be attracted to (if there are any) the power diamonds' light cores?

[edgy kernel]

A whole lot of the objects around in wasteland are also at like, rather odd angles and kinda leaning all over the place. I suppose that could be buildings on a foundation of sand but i kinda get a lot of vibes the water was just way higher, and maybe they just had a lot of floating towns and cities.

The more i look at the areas the more i think of the walls as massive dams, and with all the skeletons here, maybe this was a gigantic artificial lake/aquarium made to hold captured light creatures. i note the areas in this look more like underwater caves and whatnot, and there are no temple structures that have fallen around it, just some pipework.

I get the feeling that... the whole place might have been entirely peaceful before things started going bad, the water drained away and the huge dams instead became massive walls to live within, as the world becomes more hostile from split factions and krills going around.

also a ton of krills here leftover, heh. maybe this place could have been similar to the reef from abyss, where they captured many light creatures and... eventually they turned to krills.

sometimes people link some concept art for sky in here for various older things, has that game company ever released anything on wasteland specifically?

[sharp lichen]

I suppose there’s this: https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284265047229739008?s=21&t=3i13C8fDomxEEWzlZxQnzw

[edgy kernel]

oh, thats awesome, thank you!!

[worldly jolt]

something i just noticed is that the revival guide appears in the animated series trailer, or i think she does.. they look the same

[hushed steeple]

I like these guys

[lucid bridge]

Where did you get those? Are they official art?

Eyeballs on top of the fishies just like the mantas + koi in the fog of the aviary

[hushed steeple]

They are official. But I think the link is lost. It was from a chinese exclusive concept art dump, if I remember correctly, it was all about season of Abyss.

HEY GUESS WHAT I FOUND IT ANYWAY

https://sky.163.com/m/news/official/20220413/26689_1012705.html

[urban valley]

I'm not sure where to ask this but i'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the blue flowers, they seem to only appear in night time or places that are not open and they're so pretty (i might be mistaken tho)

[untold igloo]

So I asked my friend in-game about this, but I figured I could ask here too;

What exactly are the humanoid figures that you get WL from? I’ve heard two different theories on this now, and I’m curious what other people might think

[light grail]

Bump on this, I really wanna discuss this with someone

[hushed steeple]

Well technicly there's also a lake there of sorts
There's a stream going through the preveous area that empies into that larger body of water.

Maby in-universe with everyrhihg being detaled and expansive, that stream is more like a river.

I mean this is a forest in a mountaines region, and the final area is something of a low point evevaton wise🤔
All that rain has to go somewhere

[burnt bobcat]

I think this would match more with the original idea of what we would lose. If I remember correctly, somewhere it was mentioned that in early concepts we were meant to lose the emotes, aka the spirit memories we would be collecting. How much this is true or false, unfortunately I don't have the source 😔

Personally, I like to think that the WL is some sort of past sky kids froze in time. A lot of times they are hidden or protected, and in the Eden we ||see them hiding behind the light lamps, indicating they were there||. Maybe they got scattered once Eden exploded and that's why we return their "light" back to them

[trim mural]

robbed

[light grail]

Thank you <33

Also I would have to disagree with the last paragraph. It’s late for me so I hope I’m interpreting right. They’ll definitely be sky kids of the past, but not necessarily before Eden shattered. I think all sky kids were born to do one thing, “bring the light back to the fallen.” And the fallen wouldn’t be other sky kids trying to accomplish the one common goal, but to free our ancestors from their prisons and led them back to orbit.

[burnt bobcat]

I think it depends when you put the Eden explosion and what happened after it. Did spirits survive once Eden exploded? Was there another reason why they all disappeared? We know that sky kids fell from the sky even before all spirits were gone, it's one of the Isle's spirit memory of seeing one of us falling and coming to hold us

Not sure if we have seen any post-Eden art around Sky world, which is why I place them before Shattering

[tribal otter]

Guys
I think the Steward is who called us to Sky in the first cutscene
They're the first voice we hear
Spoilers for the new quest ahead!!!

[arctic sphinx]

Wait, it has voice? The mural cutscene

[tribal otter]

||Beyt (I call Steward that, because it means "house/home") watches over Aviary, which holds the original carvings we see when we first come to Sky. It seems as though they're narrating everything, as the new mural has a different narrative.||

[tribal otter]

Yes. I think I can find some old footage from my first time in sky. Let me look around my gallery for a sec

I couldn't find it but here's a clip from EightBitHD's playthrough

[arctic sphinx]

Why do i feel the context is change it...

[plush cave]

Ahhh, I miss this one! The one we see currently has changed on several aspects indeed

• “if only they had listened” got removed, I think it says something like “we took our light for granted” now,
• “now, I call to you” is “now, you bring us hope”

[sharp lichen]

As in, they narrate it?

[sharp lichen]

This was the old Painting intro, it got removed around 2020 and came back in the aviary quest

It’s very similar to the intro in Isle

[pastel brook]

What? You need help reviving chat? Sorry, just let me finish eating these peas first... -nomf- -mmrphfph- -omnomf- ...yeah, what is it?

[sharp lichen]

I always interpreted “the stars falling” not as literally falling, but metaphorically as in going away. So the overuse of light by the Ancestor kingdom caused all the light in the sky to disappear. Only until afterwards did the Skykids come en masse

[soft timber]

flies in here and tumbles on the ground What would make a better pet theoretically: Seal, Manta, Bird, or Jellyfish?

[cold sparrow]

crab

[soft timber]

Lol

[edgy kernel]

id say manta because you can fly with em

[obtuse tapir]

Bird because bird

[sharp lichen]

In real life? Probably a seal, it’s not too active like the bird, but not too passive like the jellyfish

For the Skykids? I’ll go on a whim and say butterflies, simply because it’s the first creature we see (in Isle) and we can easily play with it.

[soft timber]

Perfect responses because all of you are sweet beans

[dreamy saddle]

I'd say manta but if we assume they grow to larger forms in the same way animals normally grow, I think I'd quickly run out of room, so probably seal.

[cold sparrow]

seals are also implied to grow quite a bit, judging from the Two Embers trailers

[stiff elbow]

is anyone here willing to reply with a word wall on the lore for sky? it would be greatly appreciated. (i’m mostly curious on if the sky realms are considered heaven or is that orbit? is eden hell?) things like that cause we save them from eden and bring them to orbit but then we all end up back at home. (is it like a mental thing or are we physically repeating this process?)

[sharp lichen]

Sky does not take direct inspiration from any religion, however:

Orbit is the closest thing Sky has to a Heaven. It is a place where the deceased souls end up. The difference being, however, that you can leave it.

Eden is not comparable to Hell, really. It is its own tale on the tragic consequences of greed

[stiff elbow]

oh okay i’m hoping the show will give me a better understanding of the lore. so the sky realms are more like earth (like where everyone lives). is everyone a spirit (passed on i guess) like even us kids? or were more like little saviours for them?

[sharp lichen]

The latter, really. The Hopeful Steward (aviary guide) was a child like us, but a misfortune caused them to be a spirit, which is like a ghost

[versed copper]

I don't think we're spirits, but I also don't think we're regular living people. We might be more like little clay golems with a candle flame inside our chests. That's why we don't burn even sitting on a fire, and it just recharges our energy
Plus if you ever get the weird view where the camera clips inside your head you can see that we're empty; no brains in there at all! 🤣

[desert sun]

we too might be able to become spirits. thinking back to eden, we also turn into those blue spirit balls upon death much like the actual spirits do when passing !

i do wonder what the conditions are to go full ghost spirit thing (would explain our hopeful steward)

[sharp lichen]

Probably to be petrified in the dark husk thing

[light minnow]

Some spirits do look quite like sky kids
With mask and all

[edgy kernel]

in my thoughts, we're probably half spirit and half light creature.
atleast, enough light creature to be reborn through orbit, like light creatures are. if anything our first journey there is sorta following the other light creatures as they themselves migrate towards eden, heh

[sharp lichen]

I think “spirit” is a state of being. Anyone can become a spirit; after all, in the shattering memories, we see the spirits of light creatures.

I call the people we save and get emotes from “Ancestors”

[light minnow]

We need a krill spirit

[edgy kernel]

let me hug the krill spirit

[desert sun]

so i stopped being deep in the lore channel around season of assembly i think ?? have there been any notable info drops on the king/prince/emperor/7th elder that ive missed out on ? i saw them in one of the shattering memories and was like

[sharp lichen]

Fossil (says me, the Sanctuary moth)

In terms of general lore, a massive amount of things has happened, with the largest amount of revelations happening in the seasons of Abyss, Shattering, Aurora, and Revival.

In terms of king lore: there is this Eden mural that was added .

There is also the upcoming Sky series, here: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

The bald-headed kid is likely to be the Eden Elder, as Jenova Chen says that “there are two boys… one becomes a king”. The other is likely the new Aviary guide

[desert sun]

hey... respect your elders

also WHAAA i had a feeling the aviary guide was the fluffy haired kid from embers but... woah, baby king ???

also, aurora has lore ???? 😭 i never wouldve known. i stopped playing for a long while midway into shattering so it seems ive missed quite a bit of lore... i actually saw that mural for the first time on my most recent trip

[edgy kernel]

the aurora songs for the quests/spirits are sorta like much longer spirit memories, with some really interesting stuff in em

[desert sun]

thats so rad i NEED to check it out asap

[sharp lichen]

I think both the Aviary Guide and the King were Skykids that fell early

[soft timber]

That would be a nice theory since they both seem to be in Sky a whole lot longer than most other Skykids

[native galleon]

aurora has so much lore

[pastel brook]

‘cause just like the crabs, everything wants to live

[obtuse tapir]

Wait, both of them are boys?

[native galleon]

spirits officially have no confirmed gender, but sometimes the devs slip up and use a gendered term when referring to them

[dapper pilot]

sometimes i think about how most ancestor spirits dont have capes and couldnt fly like sky kids do so all the races and stuff were done with mantas which probably means that there were manta stables to keep the mantas they rode

[sharp lichen]

There’s likely to be no dialogue in the series, only narration as well

[analog atlas]

As I did the Fainting Warrior quest today I thought about how sad it was.
This spirit is one of if not THE shortest spirit to relive. There are two stills of them running. In the cutscenes we see this spirit is in visible pain as they clutch their arm and limp haphazardly across the sand while leaning on the pillar. Then they sink to the ground slowly and pass out.
Our emote seems almost like a mockery of this traumatic event as we comedically fall over like some looney toons character.
I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling genuine sadness for this spirit.
I wonder what happened to injure this spirit and why it is cemented as its core memory of sorts.

[drifting cipher]

One of the two boys is the king I get that but in what way is the other one aviary guide

What I see is that Aviary guide is like the last person to tell the story of the events that transpired during the devastation with Aviary guide being the last person to die and Aviary itself being the last places to wither away from the kingdom's devastation instead of the other kid that one could say is the king's brother

[light minnow]

Actually i have a question
Is there some lore document or something with all the hints and nuggets of info the game gives us?
Basically a place where the primary sources for lore are gathered

[tribal otter]

Wow
Uh
There's a lot of hints, everywhere in sky. Everything is put in place for a reason
The best I can recommend is check out the wikis made by the Fandom, or the official wiki. I don't do a lot of browsing tho, so I'm sure someone can provide a better solution ^^

[onyx schooner]

Y'know I was always under the impression that the cotl all faced towards Eden/||the castle in the sky|| but after seeing one of the children facing opposite of the mountain in Starlight desert I'm wondering if theres something else to it or if they're just random?

[onyx schooner]

You're right. Given how loosely the lore is the best place to check for anything lore would either be on the Wiki, or in this particular chat since it's the next best thing, might find nuggets of lore that can answer any questions.

[sharp lichen]

One of my thoughts is that Skykids don’t know how death feels (as in, death as how the spirits feel it), so they try to replicate it as a simple “faint”.

It’s one of the few times where the spirit doesn’t have the exact same emote as the Skykid

[sharp lichen]

The big thing is that they share the same hair

https://youtu.be/F5_yX4YQiqM?si=RUiv_bz7wp7EJHlE

Also, they are one of the smallest characters, as small as a Skykid. It could be likely the Hopeful Steward died in the Two Embers, and then ended up as a spirit in Aviary. It would not be the first time the show would be referenced.

[sharp lichen]

There actually is, here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

(And in the pinned messages)

[potent sedge]

Maybe because we're kids we don't see the tragedy behind it?

[devout storm]

Is there no god or creator of beings or earth?

[light minnow]

Thank you

[light minnow]

Yeah when i saw this spirit i was like "wait, did i just witness its last living moments?" And had a big pause because like... damn
Then i heard the anvil noise of the sky kid playing dead and the sadness was gone

Given that there's another spirit hiding from a krill in the wasteland, i imagine the warrior got wounded by a krill

[mortal umbra]

Might be an odd question but what do you think Skykids are made out of? And how big or small would they be in proportion to the average human? This question came up while I was talking with my partner lol
At first they believed that Skykids were made with some kind of wax, but we ruled that out since it didn't make too much sense

[rich plank]

If we’re stars then does the sun have any significance?
Since the sun would be a star too
I feel like it’s stupid but, is the sun the megabird?

[grim python]

wax is a popular theory but personally I don’t believe it
some kind of darkness related material maybe? It’s just weird to me how our “skin” color can change with different pants and when our light is extinguished

[mortal umbra]

One of the theories that I had was that we're a personified version of a fallen star or the emobodiment of light itself

[mortal umbra]

Yeah thats what made me think wax wasnt the case too. If they were made of wax why would they turn comepletely lightless once their flame was extingushed? And then also how krills or the Eden's raining shards leave you crystalized

[rich plank]

Iirc we are said to be stars and stars as a whole are connected to us and the ancestors
It’s how we’re connected

[grim python]

no solid proof of this but I think that we fly into the sun in orbit
mostly cuz of the magma sounds you hear during that white screen

[mortal umbra]

If we're considered stars then what would our texture be? Like the capes or the masks. The masks seem clay like or some sort of resin

[rich plank]

I could see that, we fly into the sun, join the other stars, then are sent back down as a ray of light from the sun, like all light

[grim python]

It’s been confirmed our cape and cosmetics are made out of light, and that’s why they don’t have shadows (totally not a technical limitation trust)

[rich plank]

Capes, masks, all cosmetics that we wear are memories made of light iirc
It’s how the spirits share their styles with us, it’s all light we learn to shape

[mortal umbra]

That makes a lot of sense actually, thanks for answering my questions :>

[rich plank]

It’s a good explanation for the technical limitation tbh, since it’s all just memories

[lucid bridge]

We basically worship the sun and return to/merge with it with every eden run

I believe that the bodies of Sky kids are made out of stone.

[sudden gust]

I've been kinda thinking that Sky kids could start out as meteors of some sort. It explains the stone shell and the way we fall during rebirth is similar

[sharp lichen]

Skykids are probably made of pure light.

As for size, they’re about the size of a toddler/schoolchild, about 2 foot to 3 foot tall

[light minnow]

I like to imagine them the size of like a 6yo or so
Because i feel it fits them
The size of a curious and playful child, who still is capable of like, actually using their body without falling down like a toddler

And they learn very fast looking at the way they learn to express themselves

[dreamy saddle]

concept art states that the ancestors were made of charcoal substance but nothing on sky kids

[devout storm]

Skykids are obviously made of Stardust and light/fire. When dying they harden/turn to stone and the light is extinguished. The light/fire within and around keeps their body alive.

[proud fern]

so who are the elders. this question has been bothering me for almost 4 years

[delicate plinth]

Also the candle is specifically pulled out from their chest and you'll notice the shining light on the avatar disappears when the candle is held out

[proud fern]

how have i never noticed this before...

[delicate plinth]

It's a neat detail in the animation

[sharp lichen]

We don't know exactly, but my best guess is that they were larger and more powerful Ancestor Spirits that were sent down to guide them

[proud fern]

also how will aviary add to the lore of the game, and what about this thing where u see a map of all the realms... i have so many questions

[sharp lichen]

The map shrine exists in multiple places.

They were probably sent to guide the skykids/ancestor spirits, not much more than that

Aviary is a much more difficult thing to say, as it seems to tie into the Sky Two Embers show that's coming out. However, it seems as if we're seeing what the season guides used to do before they became guides

[delicate plinth]

I personally see aviary as a hidden haven. Consider how it's not connected to any realm and the 4th quest is you doing a eden trip to lead lost spirits to a new home

Also I'm so hype for the show

[hushed steeple]

you guys ever think about the two skykids on the game icon and wonder what their life is like & has been like?

this is something that probably doesn’t mean anything significant realistically speaking but I think it’s really nice to think about the possibility

they’ve been through so much & I think it’s just really nice to see how they’ve grown and changed overtime, throughout each and every season and event

I just think they’re neat what are y’alls thoughts?

I’m not taking this too incredibly seriously in terms of lore importance but I just think it’s a really neat concept to think about

[hushed steeple]

From purely a sky lore perspective, probably not
From a narative/fanfic/side story of sky perspective, I think is a wonderful idea😍

[hushed steeple]

It does make me wonder if (purely thinking in personal story terms) that they might be one of the very first that compleated the cycle (eden-ascend-rebirth)

[light minnow]

Looking at their capes
They have lost and regained WL many times

[light minnow]

Honestly they seem to be having a lot of fun together
Very wholesome love

[hushed steeple]

Fr! I love them

[hushed steeple]

oo yeah I like that idea :D

I just think it’s so cute that we get to see these two grow & change with each update of the app icon

I’d love to honestly expand on them two a little bit more and just get to see what their story is, even if in fanfics & fanmade stories & content. They’re so cute and I love seeing how they look each update and how they’ve changed

Man, I wish this server had channels specifically for things like headcanons and fanwriting, it’d be really useful 😅

[hushed steeple]

I noticed that too! I understood that as showing that they’ve been through Eden multiple times together over time :D

[hushed steeple]

a separation of channels between serious lore talk and headcanon/fanwriting talk I think would be very useful haha

[hushed steeple]

Technicly there is
Theres a whole seperate channel for sky fanfics

[hushed steeple]

where? I don’t see it, can you link me to the channel?

Im not so good at that stuff😅
Maby you should ask @sharp lichen about the invite

[hushed steeple]

no I meant like, if there’s a chat channel in this discord specifically designated for fanfics, can you link it by just saying the channel name?
Like this, if you were going to link somebody to the “introductions” channel

#introductions

[hushed steeple]

basically I’m asking, what’s the name of the channel

Oh, in THIS channel no
At least, not that I am aware off
There might be honestly, but I've never really looked beyond the lore channel here😅

[hushed steeple]

….. are you getting confused with the terms “channel” and “server”…?

[hushed steeple]

Yes I am😅😅😅
On this SERVER there no fanfic channel that I know about, but there is another SERVER thats all about it, and has a lot of the members from this server

[hushed steeple]

That makes more sense.

What I was actually asking for originally was a channel here in this server dedicated to fanwriting and headcanons 😅

That’s what I originally meant 😅

[hushed steeple]

There should be one honestly

There are a lot of theory's and lore ideas that dont seam to be all that supirted by the game canon, but would make for fantastic side story's and fanfic concepts

[edgy kernel]

Im not sure how i blanked it earlier, but all the spirits in aviary quests are guide spirits who we never see encased in the shadow crystal stuff normally. I wonder if thats why all of them have a reaction to being freed, instead of just being memories

Rhythm guide i think only gets seen in performance quests now, whereas enchantment guide is chilling over by the ark usually.

Must mean something that they of all spirits are getting crystallized somehow. Or maybe the guides used to hang around in aviary, since we do free them here

[hushed steeple]

I kinda like the idea (saddly I forgot who it was that sugeated it 😭) that the guide spirits act as something of a psycopomp role
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopomp
That they were exeptional ancesters or ones that had a special conection in life, that now act like mediators between sky kids and the spirits, and help in the healing of the world

I see them now living in Aviary as us sky kids returning the favoure, and giving them a new home and place in the world since thay had commited themselfs to staying behind
(Then again I havent played any of the quests yet, so I might be pulling all of this from back cheeks😅)

[edgy kernel]

You definitely should theyre really cool and aviary is my favorite thing now LOL
some really fun interactions with those spirits in the quests, too

[hushed steeple]

I know, but Im usually so busy
Besides, I want to REALLY enjoy and experiance every bit and corner, and not rush through the thing.
Think this week I should have that chance

[lethal rock]

i think i have asked this before but what are the spirits? Like my first thought was that they are just kinda echos of the past, souls of dead beings of past that cannot experience new things. But now with the Aviary village thingy makes me think othervise. Unless the things we see are too just echoes, things they did when they were aline, just repeating them.

[nimble ingot]

They are ghosts. Souls of the ancestors who were not able to pass on.

I see earlier on here viksa mentioned that the guide is psychopomp. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Perhaps the skykids are also guides to the spirits. As they are shepherded to Orbit (the afterlife) indiscriminately.
We met spirits who were warriors, soldiers, healers, children, builders, actors, dancers, performers, and more.

Granted we have not run into a spirit with an obvious flaw. Actually, one could consider the group from the Little Prince.
There was a narcissist, an unreasonable ruler, a soldier that deserted the fight (as it seemed hypothetically), and possibly the accountant (eventhough that may just be their job, I suspect they may have fallen to greed there).

I would love to see if TGC would introduce skykids to spirits who have done terrible things in their lives, and now regret it as spirits.

Let's say as an example we meet a spirit who is a brute, and was responsible for hurting another ancestor spirit in a fight. Or a spirit that was a thief.
We may not know nor fully be able to understand the ancestors' beliefs based on what we learned about them in and outside of the game.
Therefore, it would be interesting to know if their belief would have a tradition, value or vow they were supposed to uphold in order to reach Orbit and pass on.
There are some ancient cultures and religions that have tales about people who may not be able to reach their intended afterlife if they went against the values of their religion.

Touching on the Eden factor, the paradise garden is known in biblical text as the birth place of man (where everything began for humanity), but also where the first sin happened.
While in Sky, this defiance or breaking a rule could be something else.
I like to think that the ancestors did look to the Light like a deity, and furthermore had tradition the practiced.

We do have priests, monks and acolytes. So this theory has something going for it.

[lethal rock]

oh, i meant that if they are just dead ancestors what kind of spirit are they?

You mentioned that we haven’t really seen spirits that were really antagonistic, so maybe the spirits aren’t really all they were, but just the most strongest aspect of their personality. No one really sees themselves as the bad guy even if thet do bad things, so they could have had bad traits that we just don’t see. That’s why we only see the one attribute when we interact with them. People are complex and have many sides, so maybe the spirits we see aren’t really the whole person it once were.

Or is the spirit the whole person, still able to make new connections and memories, just missing a vessel?

The being spirit / ghost can be many things, so I’m wondering what type it is in sky universe.

I do think the elders are different type of spirit than the once we find in the overworld. For me they are the whole person they were, just trapped in the temples their shrine is, maybe in different plain of existence but still able to learn and have new memories.

Also aslo, if spirits are dead ancestors, what are the winged light? are they the spirits of sky kids?

[indigo juniper]

Is it just me or does the aviary spirit guide look like one of the sky kids from the Netflix show. And now I wonder if it is a younger version of the same one, and if maybe he has a bigger backstory than originally thought.

[rapid latch]

I wonder how hot or cold each realm is

maybe hidden forest, wasteland and valley are the coldest realms cuz of how much it rains in forest, there's so much snow in valley, and wasteland recieves so little sunlight

[sharp lichen]

The canon moffs

[sharp lichen]

Eh, we mostly talk about fanwriting here anyway

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s the latter. Maybe they get freed, and then live in the village for a bit before doing the quests

I always theorized that new seasons come when the seasonal guide thinks the Skykid are “ready” and then reveal themselves

So maybe Aviary is where they were before the season released

It’s not really canon, just a fun thing to think about

[sharp lichen]

The spirit memory things (where you have the collect the memories) are just echoes, right. But once you free them from that husk thing, they become awake and sentient.

[sharp lichen]

You’re not the first person who pointed this out

I think they’re the exact same person, and it would not be the first time they referenced the show in the game

[bronze geode]

did the devs change the backstory of the game with the aviary village mural?

[sharp lichen]

No, it says mostly the same things as in the intro cutscene

In fact, the aviary intro used to be the old intro from 2020-2021, before it got removed. Now it’s come back in a different form

[soft timber]

This is so wholesome like fr fr beauty in the simple things

[hushed steeple]

Or alternatively, re-descovering the aviary, awakening (presumibly) one of the embers, and helping rebuild it and free it from darkness is what alowes the seasonal guides to make this there new home (when there not busy tending to there guide duties)

After all, the spirits we see in the aviary are not like most of the spirits in our normal game, who are endeed only echoes of the past.
For whatever reason, they have a much stronger link to the phisical world.

If the new spirit in Aviary is endeed one of the Embers, then perhaps his influance might have alowed for these spirits make this there new home

[hushed steeple]

Wait, Two Embers is gonna be on Netflix ?

[indigo juniper]

I thought so?

[hushed steeple]

Are you shure?
Maby I should check the wiki again

[indigo juniper]

I could be wrong of course but I thought it said netflix. I'm excited either way. The characters do look similar so that'd be cool if he had more backstory

That or my brain went to Netflix right away as they been doing the game/manga shows alot lately lol

[hushed steeple]

That mught be it😅
I cant find any news on what platform its gonna be

I really hope they give exact time and channel (platform) when the first episode comes out.

[sharp lichen]

They never revealed anything, but it may be on Netflix. It could also be something like YouTube as well

[hushed steeple]

YouTube was my first guess🤔
Though Netflix would make it more prestigeous😅

[edgy kernel]

I have seen some interpret maybe the elders as having done wrong, by being some part in the construction of the eden crystal, and to note, we cant save them like we do any other spirits. It takes quite a lot more effort to get them into orbit, but we can get them there eventually.
Theres also the child of light you see after you die who i see people interpret as the king, and also as being trapped there, able to help us pass on and continue our work but unable to themselves.

maybe could be seen as the regret they have for what happened being too much for them to move on from, but after saving all the spirits of their realm and learning from them, they finally accept its time to move on and head to orbit to see you

Maybe a season some day might be about helping spirits who did somethin wrong help fix that and be able to move on, heh

[nimble ingot]

That is if the current one is not already a reference to Two Embers with a Village of ancestors and the Guide.

[edgy kernel]

Maybe, though this season seems more like building a home for those who we have already helped heh

[chrome monolith]

Does anyone know if there’s any source of lore for beginners? (Theories and fan work will also be welcomed)

[nimble ingot]

Pinned messages are an ok starting point.
Fanon would be more likely be from users you may notice on here.

As for theories, you are welcome to ask about them
(I'd suggest to be specific about what you want to know rather than asking what all of the lore is about. Because it is a lot to go through, and not feasible to summarise to something you may have learned otherwise from playing the game.)

[light grail]

I think, like FNAF, the Sky lore is mainly based off of popular theories (example being that skykids are made of pure light and clay to make up their bodies

[nimble ingot]

huh... I did not think of Sky lore like that

But there a few key differences.

• There are no murderous animatronics fuelled by tortured souls of children (and unfortunate fools caught in the mayhem).
• Sky lore is open to interpretation, while FNAF is a bit more linear.
• As cool as it might be for those who enjoy thrillers, we dont have a purple guy in Sky.

[light grail]

Help not like that lmao 😭 with Matpat’s insane theory of FNAF making up most of it’s lore (what if the Eden elder IS sky’s purple guy🤔🤔)

[hushed steeple]

To be fair thats entirely speculation, and mostly based in the fact that they look almost exactly the same

Until the animation shows what happened to the secund ember, we cant be 100% shure

[chrome monolith]

Eden elder?

[nimble ingot]

The King be like, "I ALWAYS COME BACK" XD

[hushed steeple]

Its only a mater of time😈
(Evil laught)

[nimble ingot]

In Sky, you have seen only 6 elders (The Twins from the Valley of Triumph count as one).
Eden is the 7th realm, but does not have an elder we can see.

Following the logic of the other realms, we should meet the elder of Eden at the end of the realm, right?
And yet, we only see a massive Red Crystal made of Corrupted Dark stone that violently shakes and threatens to shatter at any moment.
When you go through the shard memories though, you may learn what happened in Eden. These shards are related to the season of Shattering.
A season that like Eden, is missing the usual ancestor spirits that we recognise.

The King is the missing 7th elder.
The same one you see in the mural for Eden during the all elders cut scene in Vault, and the massive figure in the candle mural in Eden.

[nimble ingot]

I should clarify something, actually. About the shard and their memories.

The shard memories does not fully explain what happened in Eden.
They do strongly hint at the balance between Light and Darkness, and the guide resembles the Eden crystal. TGC did explain that season of Shattering would be a bit different to what us skykids would expect from seasons.
Namely that we may not see ancestor spirits this time around, nor gain any emotes from this season. We instead get to see memory fragments that were broken off from the Eden Crystal. The Final memory of the Shards has the memory of the Eden Crystal shattering, along with something else I rather like you to find out for yourself.

[nimble ingot]

If you need help doing shards, here are a few pointers.

Your shard memories my differ from the ones skykids would have if you have not completed all quests.
Because the memories are randomised, except for players who are going through the quests. Therefore, keep this in mind if you have a friend with you that completed that season.

If a shard is hard, try a different one another day.
Shards in elevated forest (near granma) and the assembly area are the hardest. The easiest ones are usually in day (sanctuary are a bit harder in my opinion).
The more players you have doing the shard with you, the better. Just make sure you claim at least one fragment during the collection phase. Otherwise you may not get credit and rewarded with ascended candles. You can retry the same shard in the same day, but the reward is a once off for the day.

Hope this helps.

[sharp lichen]

This is always helpful

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[livid pelican]

Man that Season was a lore drop weren't they?

[sharp lichen]

Common Shattering W

[dreamy saddle]

yall think maybe the whale poem supports the theory that the winged light are fragments of the eden elder?

"scattering the fragments of a spirit sundered in the break"

[dreamy saddle]

i know im replying to an old message but
kinda wild for the elders to put the light creature absorbing mega crystal right in the middle of the literal lifestream of the light creature's life cytle
and your previous message
huh, considering all the bird migration all the way there towards eden and even inside it, it makes me think the eden crystal was placed inside that end of life stream, or maybe right before it, to just absorb every light creature naturally heading there to end their life cycle and be reborn. then maybe either it wasn't built enough to possibly contain it all, and shattered, or its just kinda sitting there blocking the cycle until we kinda help things get through it.
you may be onto something here tho yeah. looking at the poems i posted above, "drawn from the path, trusting until too late" does seem to imply that the eden crystal redirected migrating light creatures towards it

Quote:
"While this (especially the manta memory one) could refer to the usual practice of ancestors luring in mantas before trapping them, it could also refer to Eden's beacon. The parts about the "familiar glow that hid nothingness in its wake" and "strange brilliance" could hint at the Shattering Diamond sort of forming an artificial beacon that mimicked that of Eden. The "soft wings flowing to bright beacons" could also indicate a previous operation that used artificial beacons to lure creatures in before trapping them. It's possible the souls of the light creatures were trapped in the stone, that being the reason we see them, frozen in time, in the Shattering memories."

• Theory posed by wiki user Amity206

Source: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[edgy kernel]

in the whale memory, the spirit sundered in the break and "empty light scattering the fragments" could be the fact that its such a large spirit, and in the shattering it itself is too big to be inside a single one of the shards of eden we find. like there's only a part of the whale, in one of them, whereas we might otherwise find shards with memories of a crab, jelly/manta etc

and the jellyfish memory mentioning "bewildered in final moments of stillness" could maybe be the world empty of light and life, before the shattering, the crystal having taken too much from the world

just a stray thought, but i wonder if the elders could have caused the shattering themselves, knowing that it was destroying the world, and wanting to stop the crystal. and not knowing exactly what would happen

[dreamy saddle]

oh the source im using speculates the same thing
"Resh's corrupted body was destroyed as well, leaving only Alef's soul behind (the lines from the whale memory's poem, "empty light scattering the fragments / of a spirit sundered in the break" might refer to this)"

[edgy kernel]

ahhh interesting, that maybe referring to the elders instead of the light creatures trapped in it themselves ( or them being destroyed by the shattering )

[edgy kernel]

originally i interpreted the "soft wings despairing against stone" line to mean similarly to how they had mantas and whatnot trapped in the underwater area in abyss too. maybe those are memories of being trapped there before being taken into the crystal for their light, or memories of being trapped inside the eden crystal themselves

[sharp lichen]

I could see it, especially with the Elder Memory

[cobalt palm]

I consider it to be a bit more like rainworld, or spirit farer, the world we see is already dying or dead, and we only see remnants of the past civilizations or people.
In the case of rainworld, this causes despair to escape the death/rebirth cycle. In Spirit farer the player guides them on to a new life and has hope.

Where I think Sky differs is that we embrace the death/rebirth cycle, and actively bring hope back to the world.

I bring up rainworld as it has many similar storytelling mechanisms through world design, and spirit farer through interacting with those passed, which all 3 games have in common.

[dense inlet]

Everyone in the Rhythm Troupe was a theater kid

[solid pelican]

Is there a page or anything with the lore and background of sky? I play it often but i can never really seem to understand the lore. Have a lot going on so my brain doesn't exactly process what's happening in game.

[sharp lichen]

Here is a good summary: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit#heading=h.cmfnuox3fw3h

[solid pelican]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[hushed steeple]

The missing edan elder is mostly a consequence of the drasric changes to the lore made dureing development.

Originaly, you were supoast to meat the 7th elder.
The final boss and obsticle was not going to be the corupted edan diamond, but the king, kaiju sized and 100% corupted by darkness.

All references to the edan elder preaty much stem from this early game concept that was once central to the entire lore of sky.

This concept had obviacely been compleatly scraped, as well as the entire original backatory of the king.

TGS had adressed this directly, saying that they changed the whole role of the king and elders from former villins to tragic antihero's.
They changed the couses of the original fall from a bad guy that needs to be stopped to something more inherent to the nature of people

[hushed steeple]

This is kinda what I was talking about with the Edan diamond being build to hijak the light stream in order to gain unsurpased power, but it not being able to contain and control it, going corupted and out of controll, and then...
BOOOOM!!!!

[rapid latch]

How cold or hot do you think each of the realms could be?

[dreamy saddle]

cant convince me that wasteland isnt disgustingly humid and muggy

i imagine valley isn't unpleasantly cold until you get to village of dreams, then very cold especially up the mountain

[rapid latch]

I'm thinking hidden forest is extremely cloudy, freezing cold and very humid except for wind paths

[edgy kernel]

Isle of dawn being right at morning i bet its actually pretty nice, not freezing or super hot

Does vault have AC is the real question

[lone hamlet]

This concept is so honking cool.

I was looking through concept art and researching for my story on Sky, and HOLY HECK WHY WAS THIS NOT ADDED TO THE ACTUAL GAME ITS SO AWESOME.

Does anyone know why?

(And TGC, idc what you decided I'm including this in my story )

[rapid latch]

I'm pretty sure isle being a desert, isle will be very hot

Vault could be just right

[edgy kernel]

Deserts can get extremely cold during the night, like i imagine starlight desert to be very cold and windy. Being right inbetween the heat and cold is where i imagine dawn

[hushed steeple]

Not neceseraly
Deserts arent always hot. The Goby desert can get preaty cold, and in curtain places at specific periods the rear cases of rain actually fall down as snow, and camils graze on the snow to get there water.

That being said, Isle of Down is likely preaty worm, though I think that Daylight Priery is the warmest of all the realms

[hushed steeple]

Good queation🤔

• DAYLIGHT PRIERY
  I think would be the warmest over all, with open sky's baithed with sunlight, greanery everywhere, and not to mention all the islands in the sea like Sanctuary islands that are a tropical paradice.
  The coldest part of that region would likely be Priery hights becouse of the evevation.

• ISLE OF DOWN
  This would probably be a close secund to Priery, though I could inderstand if people dissagree

Whatever the case, there 2 are deffinetly way warmer then the others, so they make up the "warm realm" category

• HIDDEN FOREST
  This one is a bit tricky becouse of the rain.
  For the regions outside the rain zone like Elevated clearing as well as the enterence and exit of the realm, I think the climate is very worm.
  Given the masive forest that vibrant vegetation covered the entire realm, I have to asume that entire realm would have been quite worm in the past, though likely not on the level of Daylight preary for the most part

[rapid latch]

nah

pretty sure in the non-rain areas the temperature is just right
but in the rainy areas it’s really cold and moist

[hushed steeple]

I was getting to that.
Got called to do something so I couldent finish😅

[rapid latch]

similar to valley, just without the moisture

[hushed steeple]

Valley I think would be way colder, though the constant wetness would deffinetly make it FEEL as cold
I think if your out of the rain and sitting in covered area , it wouldent really be that cold at all. Lot of wet and moist areas are actually feal preaty humid and worm, but become cold if you stay outside

[rapid latch]

I bet it would be like 2 degrees above freezing in the rainy parts and 20 degrees in the non rainy parts
for valley, 10 degrees average temperature and in hermit valley, theatre and village of dreams, -2 degrees

[rapid latch]

we can tell how cold the forest is because of the shivering spirit being located in the forest

[hushed steeple]

Given the snow everywhere, I highly doubt it would be 10 degrees on avarage😅

[rapid latch]

10 degrees is cold

[hushed steeple]

Wait, are you talking celseus of farenhite?

[rapid latch]

I think valley and forest lean on the colder side

[rapid latch]

celsius

[hushed steeple]

Well then I have to strongly dissagree😅
Water freezes at 0
Even if the temperature can go a lot higher, it would only be for short bursts, as otherwise everything would melt😅

I know sky probably doesnt have the same rules of phisics as we do, but we could expect that they would be consistent between realms for the most part

[faint pawn]

Would eden be hot because it's red or cold because it's at the top of a mountain

[rapid latch]

very cold and windy

[hushed steeple]

I think it would be preaty cold. Possibly colder then most of Valley becouse of the wind.

Its possible the effect of the diamond and the regions microcimat would prevent it from being the coldest point on the continent, but I deffinetly belive its not "warm" in any sence of the word

[distant turtle]

It is there in other forms like the shared memory primarily

[distant turtle]

I'd bet the King still became like this in the lore

[hushed steeple]

I think so too. Though it was probably a lot more breath and temporary then in the old version

[hushed steeple]

Im kinda hoping we do see a version of this pop up in the animation, just for a few minutes in one of the darker episodes.

That might give us a fun bit of fan canon, with the old interpretation of the king and his kaiju form being like story's that were passed down and embalished over time, as seeing this thing would deffinetly be a shock🤔

[hushed steeple]

Ah yes.
I was so sad when I sow this thing 2 years ago.
Althoufh as @distant turtle said, shared memories are an example of this kind of tech
Also remember, the spirit memories in Voult are done through memory projection useing memory lanterns

It kinda feels that like most other super cool things from concept art, it was a bit too much to fully inpliment in the game proper, and its not intil season of Rememberance that they recycled this idea.
Hopefully future seasons would continue to flesh out this tech more🤔

[distant turtle]

That is so cool. I had no idea

[hushed steeple]

Yup.
As far as Im consern, that peace of concept art with the hologram lanterns is still legit in universe
TGS just hasnt gotten around to inplimenting it in more visible ways in the game

I supoas the one change would be that in universe we dont entirely know how to read (activate) all of them in the library, but there still safe for when we are ready😅

Does this whale skull crack on impact or did something whack it? And is the rain in the hidden forest made from dark water??- ||(lore-wise)||

[hushed steeple]

Do you think there are more “homes” in the sky world? With the portals and constellations.. like we have old home and aviary, there could be more undiscovered by sky kids

[whole ice]

i dont think there will be a new “home” because all us skykids fell at the main “home” right?

There was a theory that the main home we land on was once the aviary village, and the aviary village was flooded and only one part of the village survived. It was the part with portals, that means we fell down much more late before something or somebody caused the flood

So that sums it up, there was no skykids before aviary sunk and turned into the “main home” we know

[whole ice]

There was various murals showing that loads of places were flooded or destroyed, but for now i think tgc just wants us to focus on aviary and the main home for now XD.

[hushed steeple]

Im not too shure about the flooding thing
I've heard people talking about it, but I havent seen any direct evidence in game or murals to imply it is true (or at least nothing that couldent very easaly be inturpeted in other ways)
Then again, I could be wrong. Can you show me some examples?

[nimble ingot]

Behold, the return of the Krill riders. (an old emoji from this server).

The gang

Are here

[sharp lichen]

I think it goes like this (in Fahrenheit)

Isle is around 45

Prairie is 70, with Sanctuary Islands being 90 and Prairie Peaks being 50

Forest is 40, with Wind Paths being 45

Valley is below freezing temperatures, probably around 10

Wasteland is probably pretty cold, being around 40. Treasure Reef could be as cold as 35

Vault of Knowledge would be 65, being colder the further up you go

Eden is like 30, right at freezing temperature but not enough to actually freeze anything

[hushed steeple]

I kinda feel Isle should be much warmer then that, like in the 55-60 degrees at least.

[sharp lichen]

I mostly thought so because the Passage spirits wore thick and fluffy capes. Also, morning is the coldest time of the day and there’s no sun

[lyric imp]

In the game, light and darkness are assicuated with warmth and cold respectively. Seemingly, there's no amount of heat that'd burn sky kids instead of recharging them. During the first playthrough, when you first enter rainy firest and you slowly lose light from the rain, there's a brief cutscene of your skid shaking in cold. Also, one of the shattering poems talks about wings flapping against the cold stone or sth like that and i really doubt they talk about any stone that's not eden diamond.
In conclusion, eden is cold

[lyric imp]

In the eden mural we see the king being worshipped and showing his folk the diamond, so i suspect he was seen as some kind of chief priest or sth, doesn't look like he got properly corrupted

[sharp lichen]

I love this explanation!

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure about the aviary, however I do think the original home is just a remnant of something much larger.

Like in the Wind Waker, how the islands used to be mountain peaks before the world flooded

[hushed steeple]

Very well observed @lyric imp
And very well reaurched😁
Its just this kind of in game less ambeguose evidence thats most usefull to fleahing out the world

[hushed steeple]

Still, the fact that there's no reference to fealing cold in Valley compared to Forest and Edan is something that might need more looking in🤔

In hind sight, It probably a gameplay thing, since we do see many valley people wear thicker cloaths (although not by much)
Do I do wonder if the act of something draining your light (like the rain or darkstones), couses skykids and ancesters to feel cold as well, exposure to light energy makes us somewhat more aclimated to lower temperatures🤔

[lyric imp]

Well, krills, crabs and rain can damage relived spirit memories, both the usual kind and the spark

[hushed steeple]

Not talking about damage so much🤔
More if darkness and light can affect our fealing of wormth and cold
(Still forming this idea in my head😅)

[hushed steeple]

Ok, this might be me talking compleat nonsence ( this just come to me now😅), but the valley spirits dont seam to be wearibg cloaths that are particularly thick.
There are on avarage thicker then what a lot of ancesters in othet realms are wearing, but compared to how cold it must be up in the mountains with snow everywhere, they dont seam to be wearing a lot.

The only one with proper thick cloathing is the Hermit, and he usually lives on the secund highest area on the continent

The only places we really see references to people actually fealing cold are in Forest and Edan, with rain that drains your light, and raging winds in a dark infasted land

So this kinda makes me feel that the sence of hot and cold for sky people doesnt work the same way as us.
Maby what we feel as cold is actually the effect of the fire within us being drained or thretened.

People might wear wormer cloaths to better shild there inner flame from the outside, but besides that the normal cold doesnt really bother us, but something that might drain out flame makes us shiver🤔

This might mean that sky people are way more resistant to the different temperatures of the world compared to us.
Give them enough light and covering to protect there flame from disepeting its wormth too much and there all good😎

[rocky grove]

hey, basic question, but, what animals are the passage masks based off of? specifically overachievers and mope? I've been saying overachievers is a goat / antelope and mope's is a giraffe but apparently it's a boar? I'm confused

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm...good question
The passage masks are much more abstract then most other animal masks🤔

The names of the masks on the sky wiki say that they are bear, serow, boar, monkey, racoon in the order that the quests are given

So yes, looking at this, the mope is a boar, and the overacheaver is a serow

[rocky grove]

boars are solitary animals. and so is mope (solitary). and she has those tusk earrings. but when you burn the mask to start her seasonal quest the call sounds like some sorta giraffe. I even considered the mask may be an okapi. I can definitely see why overachiever is a serow tho

[hushed steeple]

Wait, how do you know what a guiraff sounds like
As far as I know they dont have a call thats perceptibal to human ears😅
You might be thinking of something like antilopes or ( as you said) Okapi

[rocky grove]

WHAT. that's weird.. I always swear they did. so they're a boar afterall

[sharp lichen]

There’s no canon answer tbh

I view them as antelope, goat, monkey, and raccoon respectively

Tbh I do NOT see a boar in any of them

And the guide is a Tanuki, a raccoon dog

Honestly, I never expected the Sky wiki to say the animals that the masks are based on, it’s funny because they never like referencing the real world for cosmetic origins

[hushed steeple]

Its the upper right one
And now that I think about it, it might be more like a worthog then a regular european boar🤔

You must admit there is a bit of resemblence from an abstract point of view

[rocky grove]

okay so I can't put YouTube links here but giraffes do have a sound and they sound like absolute nightmare fuel. I compared it to the one ingame and it matches to me. the first time when I saw the mask I thought "GIRAFFES IN SKY!!"

but then again. why the tusk earrings? it's safe to say it's probably a cross between both animals. and yeah. their inspiration was never officially stated so I don't know how they got that information on the wiki.

[hushed steeple]

Makes sence
Although I will say the muzzle part of the mask really doeant fit a guiraff.
I think thematicly it does also fit that a worthog would fit for the mope as you said before

[hushed steeple]

Still, sky guiraff would be so freaking awsome

[rocky grove]

I'll never be fully convinced unless melancholy mope says oink oink /j

[hushed steeple]

Fair enough☺️

[hushed steeple]

Ps, what did you think of my theory from before you wrote 😅
(About how fealing cold might work for sky people)

[rocky grove]

I'm not good at lore stuff but here's my take

skykids and ancestors are different species

skykids aren't bothered by cold, they are, in a way, light itself, and their bodies are naturally warm. any fluffy cosmetics they may wear simply are.. just for appearance.

ancestors on the other hand seem more biological to me, while a part of their body is still light because they're light creatures, in comparison to skykids they're more human. thus different temperatures will impact them. they will wear winter clothing just like us to stay warm.

in short : ancestors felt cold because in comparison to skykids, they're more biological

relatively they are still warm but, not in a way we are. that's why many don't wear thick clothing in valley

[hushed steeple]

Not really
Its kinda stated in concept art that ancester body's are made of a substance similat to charchole
They are not biological creatures
While ancesters and sky kids are different species they might not be as differner as that, especially since we see skykids shiver in the rain of Forest

Skykids are also not being of pure light.
There souls are pure light, that is basicly what the children of light are, but skykids are said to "materialize" apon landing on earth, so they have a body of earth and a soul of light

Ps, I really need to go to bed now
Will reply to your coments tomorrow

[rocky grove]

I didn't say they're completely biological, just that they may be more than skykids. and the reason skykids shiver is because we get the emote from shivering trailblazer. if they can endure eden rocks and still go on then cold is nothing to them.
also why was trailblazer shivering?

also, may be a game design choice. if all spirits in valley were given fluff it may unnecessary overcomplicate their design. the seasonal ones like dreams are a special occasion and performance spirits have places inside the hall and theatre with warmth (they're also not very professional in their craft)

(I theorise the rhythm troupe has fur inside their pants because the pants look thick)

I'm reaching but goodnight

[hushed steeple]

The thing is, we shiver in the cutscene long before we get that emote, so I dont think that holds up

[rocky grove]

really?

man it's stressing me trying to understand, it's hard to wrap my head around how sky world functions

[hushed steeple]

Me too
I have been at this theory game for over 3 years now, and I still find new things I missed or got wrong😅

Honestly the whole theory is something that poped into my head an hour ago. I knew its preaty half baked😅
I just think it has some really interesting world building aplications about the ancesters and by extention there sociaty, but people dont need to agree.
Im not 100% shure of it myself

[rocky grove]

I agree to you in some parts. sky people are more resistant than us, but to some degree they feel temperature.

an interesting thing to note, the temperatures may have fluctuated because seasons prolly didn't all take part at once? after the shards fell it messed up the realms

eg. the theory that Valley and golden wasteland was golden valley but they were separated. conflict?

[hushed steeple]

Oh dont get me wrong. I never said they dont feel temperature.
I just said that the presence of light and light draining things might influance there tollerance to cold

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the thing: we only shiver when we’re losing our light

[native galleon]

Yeah I've always thought that maybe the ancestors are a bit more resistant to extreme temperatures, not completely resistant but more so than humans anyway. Otherwise it doesn't make sense for Valley to be as populated as it seems to be.

But also, when you're moving around a lot, it doesn't feel as cold. Like the skater's short dress makes complete sense to me bc they're an athlete, same with victor and backflip etc.

[abstract musk]

We also shiver when we loose height

[hushed steeple]

My point exactly☺️

[sharp lichen]

Another thing I’ve thought about is that the Valley of Triumph used to be far warmer

[native galleon]

AND ANOTHER THING i also have this idea that valley used to be a bit warmer

[rocky grove]

yeahhh.. all that fluff would get into the way of their sick tricks

[sharp lichen]

The Aurora concert showing melted bits, the Cave of Prophecies lake, etc.

[hushed steeple]

Considering stuff like sleding, ice skating and ice fishing, I kinda doubt it😅

[rocky grove]

makes sense

[sharp lichen]

I mean, it was still pretty cold. But not permanent below-freezing temperatures like it is now

In terms of degrees, the modern valley is like 0-10 degrees farenheight, but in the past it could be around 30-35, with fluctuations

[native galleon]

Same hat No but hear me out, heat rises and when there's a giant wind barrier in the way..........well well well if it isn't the consequences of your own actions (i've made that joke before but i dont care)

[hushed steeple]

True
But it was still preaty cold
It is a preaty hight masive mountain range after all
Even in places like Africa these things have perma snow

[native galleon]

climate change allegory go brrrr

[rocky grove]

me and the homies after I pull up in shorts and sandals in Antarctica

[hushed steeple]

Wish I could talj more, but I reeeealy need to go to bed
Have fun you guys☺️

[native galleon]

part of a thing im writing lmao

[rocky grove]

damn that's good

[abstract musk]

Okay I have a theory: in my imagination, the world of sky is post apocalyptic, so something happened. I don’t know what but I can think of us, the child of light, being a reincarnation of some powerful being or the collected souls of many that no longer are (Accessoires like Chibi mask for example give a soul the power to overlay so we can shrink). So when we loose light, our brain remembers that this is bad and the first reaction to something bad is shivering. We don’t do that purposefully.
I think the part with the multiple souls is a bit less strong than us being reincarnations because we are many skykids
I am bad at making theories but what do you think?

[native galleon]

this is after the valley elders do the cyclone and the guilt starts getting to them

[rocky grove]

well sky is post apocalyptic, after war and everyone was wiped off the face of the kingdoms except some light creatures

[abstract musk]

Okay I didn’t know

[dreamy saddle]

Ok so context. This TikTok edit: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8UJpxJu/

If the spirits there are the ones who found the child fallen from the sky (Alef), and we know Two Embers is prob Alef and the steward, do you think these are the steward’s parents (assuming they do match with ancestors shown in trailer) and maybe that’s how Alef and steward know each other (assuming it’s them in the movie)?

Like, maybe steward was raised as almost a brother to Alef (tho I know there is lore somewhere saying isle elder raised Alef?)

[charred grove]

There's a certain building that can be seen in golden wasteland, is there info about this? Or just a little addition to the place?

Second part of wasteland, where we see our first krill in this realm.
Based on a TikTok I saw, it is true that wasteland and forest have similarities

This place in wasteland looks similar to the place where we "wake up" the elder of the forest

[edgy kernel]

Noting the elder of the forest was some kind of smith and all the mechanisms nearby them, i might imagine their home, and this place both as some kind of forge facility for darkstone crystals, or maybe a place they went to be charged with light.

maybe the demand for more crystals required more places like that, or maybe other facilities setup in wasteland made it more convenient for the forest elder to work here instead of in the forest

[edgy kernel]

goin a bit wild here and absolute total speculation - but i notice the what looks like an inward pipe on the left and either a broken, or maybe a waste pipe on the right, like water came in and was... processed? and dumped out on the right.

personally i've been thinkin maybe the water level was way higher in wasteland and it may have been an ocean that was drained, so maybe they were taking the light from the creatures of the sea in a place like that.

[charred grove]

Or... Something (inside) that building "corrupted" the water in wasteland or also know as "dark water" or that is what it's called

I also theorized that golden wasteland was (once) a nursery of light creatures but that is also completely random

Saying that there are huge skeleton (thinking it is from the light whale) in the second part of wasteland and I suppose that is where they "take care" of the Light whales there... Or that place is where they "harvest" light from the light creatures

I'm making this theory because a lot of people theorize that they use the energy from light creatures to make a technology in each realm

These are my theories for today :3

Also
I think that krills were made when the corrupted water (dark water) that came from that unknown building in wasteland was made

I think that the eggs (I suppose the whales lay eggs but in irl whales are mammals) that was laid near the ground got corrupted by the dark water that it also corrupted the egg, resulting in a scary, dark, and armored krills

But again, this is just my theory :3

[edgy kernel]

thats pretty similar to my thoughts on this area 👁️

basically this area is odd because there are no temples or buildings here, just some caves and whatnot that to me seem like they'd fit underwater. and other than that, broken pipes.
the torches and things all seem like they were added later, and the gate at the end of the area maybe could have been shielded, like the tanks in abyss.

makes me wonder just how old areas like wasteland are, if maybe they looked more blue and had higher water levels like the season of abyss area. but over time, with their production, waste, and the oceans literally draining, residents closer to the shattering on the timeline lived in the remnants of the area

this area in particular makes me think almost everything here used to be floating, as almost all the structures we see in wasteland are leaning over in the sand
maaaybe its that a foundation of sand is bad, but maaaybe they were ALL floating with the power of darkstone, in the air or above an ocean.

I'd place that huge wall as more of a dam that broke, and the water washed away a lot of the things here.

[charred grove]

There are also bits of bridge that can be seen too... They are definitely similar to Hidden Forest mechanics

[edgy kernel]

yeah, and kinda in parallel too the next area is that place which looks very similar to the inside of the temple of the forest, with all those mechanisms

with all the darkstone i imagine if this was all one big ocean/lake, they would have certainly floated stone bridges above it all heh

forest oddly enough kinda has a similar vibe with its water by those ruined bridges, like darkstone refining requires a lot of water, or something. let me grab a screenshot of what i mean real quick

[charred grove]

This place is sandy too
And the bottom of the ocean is a bit sandy too
So I suppose there were a huge part of water in those parts of the realm since all the other parts of wasteland also has bits of ponds left in the area

That actually sounds ok since there are boats and arks in wasteland

[edgy kernel]

maybe this boat didnt fly as much as it floated before the water drained, heh

the pipes in this area are also quite high up, higher than i imagine they'd ever need to be

[charred grove]

That place

(I have a whole lot of theories just pouring it all out)

Another theory of mine (sorry 😭)
That "Ark" was supposed to be where inhabitants (ancestors) of the wasteland (I think this whole realm has an original name before it was a "Wasteland") was supposed to escape to so they could go away from the krills...
Judging by the broken ark, I guess they failed to escape

[edgy kernel]

here's those forest screenshots - the grass is ontop of that ledge above, and none in that lower area in this section of the forest. I imagine this to be where the river would have widened into the lake where we see the temple quite literally ontop of, but the water seems like its WAY lower than it should be.

the buildings and platforms here are also all uneven, like they were floating over the water before.

It could also be that water level changed quite a lot with tides, and they needed bridges that adapted to it, heh.

[charred grove]

And the pillar (the one that has the darkstone need to be lit up to make the bridge appear or rise up) was suppose to be waaay more up, so everything was indeed should be floating above water using the power of darkstone...

[edgy kernel]

I agree there, maybe they were unable to fly long enough, or were attacked by krill.

If i remember right its split in half so it sure wasn't a happy landing

[edgy kernel]

my thoughts so far seem to think a TON of water is required for darkstone refining, or maybe the water was intentionally drained for some reason ( ? )

some of em seem supported, like this one im standing on land and the final one which has supports into the ground, everything else is just fallen straight down almost and i dont seem to see any stairs, heh

[charred grove]

And the enchantment area...
It's a bit smaller but still an ark was also attacked by a krill*?*
The broken ark in enchantment area I suppose was once a traveling market
But since they were also from wasteland, I think they were unable to fix the ark

Behind the ark in enchantment area, we see a "farm" so I guess they were able to survive, but just a short time (I suppose only a few months)

[edgy kernel]

yeah, it seems like they tried to rebuild a life there, for who knows how long

there's even a krill in the opening boat ride there too, though it stays away from the ark

[charred grove]

It's guarding the passage but still can't catch us :3

There are also bits of buildings in wasteland, but broken and some are covered by dark water

And there are also smaller boats

[dreamy saddle]

i think its tricky to tell cause from what we've seen, boats are the main transport used over both water and land. like, these guys don't have cars lol

[edgy kernel]

when you can fly i suppose who needs wheel LOL just fly over and land in some water or something, ez

[charred grove]

The boat that is used to enter Enchantment season is a boat that can fly using darkstone
And there are boats that just float in water, using dark stone

[edgy kernel]

interesting thought, the spirits in season of abyss also crashed their ship in/around wasteland, but they were lucky enough to crash in an area where they could salvage some darkstone crystals, and its also a much smaller boat and they landed in water, seemingly mostly undamaged.

I wonder what caused them to have to land, if it was just being low on energy or maybe a krill attack stole the light from their crystals.

[dreamy saddle]

i do think they needed water to land in, the first area past forest social space seems to have docking for boats from prairie

[charred grove]

Then Eden Elder "Resh" Statues in wasteland are actually colored
I just noticed

[edgy kernel]

this area is also mostly drained of water too, heh.

[dreamy saddle]

ah, thought i may have been misremembering lol

[edgy kernel]

ill grab an image real quick, i remember a beached boat there

[charred grove]

The tallest "statue", if you squint like closer, you can see darkstone in the very middle

[dreamy saddle]

I’m so glad we got krill instead of literal turrets as a tangible danger in wasteland but man the fact that we can see that they do still exist- could u imagine seeing them in use? 😬

[charred grove]

So there IS a darkstone in that tall statue

[edgy kernel]

i wonder if they'd have aimed those at krill, or maybe they could have been a light energy relay system ( like one big beam )

[dreamy saddle]

here they r in concept art

[edgy kernel]

water level doesn't make it to the bottom of the boats parked there, heh

[dreamy saddle]

probably a search light type danger that we see with the krill if i had to guess? meant to ambiently patrol for danger

[dreamy saddle]

oh darn you're right, suppose they parked them normally then lmao

[edgy kernel]

that one on the left is also like, totally in the dirt lol these definitely have been here a while

[charred grove]

I have no idea where Act 1 occurs dumb eyes

[edgy kernel]

yeah i think wasteland isnt anything like that anymore, but its pretty interesting to see

[dreamy saddle]

i mean its concept art so obv its changed since, if i had to guess tho, i'd call act one the entry to wasteland where there r no krill, just if i were to divide wasteland as it is now into 3 sections. act 2 would be the graveyard, act 3 the battlefield

[charred grove]

More trouble
Much better
/j

[charred grove]

I'll come closer to that building
Using something
Ok imma go for a while, I'll report back