lore-discussion-spoilers

[nimble ingot]

It is from season of Lightseekers.
It may be a reference to the Ark in sky lore. Where this eventually became the Forgotten Ark.

That is my theory.

[open holly]

Oh ok I’ve never heard of season of lightseekers yet ha sorry

[marble pasture]

what happened to the shipwreck and to the arc?
i mean, was there water in the wasteland before all that chaos? did they float like the boats in valley?why were they there?why did they break down?
i think that would answer a lot of current lore questions, given most of sky's lore focus is on wasteland and eden

[nimble ingot]

It is uncertain what happened to the ship in shipwreck (crabfireld), wasteland.
I assume it may have to do with the dark dragon (or possibly the leviathan from season of Abyss). Or when the water drained for some reason, the ship landed on the sandy bank and decayed.

For the Lost Ark, we know it has to do with a terrible storm and likely Dark Dragons based on the murals on the wreck of the Forgotten Ark.

[sharp lichen]

This is the closest thing I can provide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[nimble ingot]

Season of Lightseekers were the 3 season to be released to the game. They took place before the game was released to Android and changed over from Ligth Awaits to Sky: Children of the Light.

Due to this season taking place before season quests (they had dailies, but not quests that told a story about the season), and proper season areas.
Each spirit was placed in a different realm and players were able to access each spirit over the course of a few days in the season (this partly explained why their costs back then were lower, I think).
The theme as far as I could tell were about the spirits trying to restore the realms with their ability to harness/use Light.

Their abilities for me are druidic in nature, and their connection to said nature became more clear later on with days of Bloom

[sharp lichen]

Lightpeakers

Lightseekers 1: An original classic still beloved by many

Assembly: The daring sequel that added a lot while still keeping true to the original

Bloom 2022: The grand return that is beloved by many and shows a modern, new step forward

Bloom 2023: The thrilling expansion of the Lightseekers lore that shows them use never-before-seen skills

Days of Sunlight 2022: A quaint side adventure that is not directly related, but still beloved for what it does

Days of Sunlight 2023: A controversial addition that is now so far off from Lightseekers, but still maintains the important roots

[eternal zephyr]

I have a question that someone who was keeping track of the lore throughout the years might be able to answer.

When was this cutscene and text removed cause I started playing when PS4 version released during Aurora season and Im pretty sure I remember it being there, or at least I remember the text

[nova pivot]

these look amazing!!! would love to see an alt sky version like this

[nimble ingot]

lol wut?

I checked there isn't that word there (I wouldn't be surprised if there was)/

And thank you for the added info.

[nimble ingot]

The intro in Dawn has changed over the years.

Last I recall, Ash (concept art dev) stated that older intros may have some validity since the changes of the intros are tweaks to the wording of the intro.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
The lore for them would change a bit, but folks can still speculate on the older versions.

[eternal zephyr]

I know it was chnged, but when was it removed?

I seem to remember that cutscene being there when i played during season of aurora, or at least the text but now doesnt seem to be there anymore

[sharp lichen]

I first joined in May 2020 and I distinctly remember it there. The newest version of the intro appeared in November 2022

So I guess May 2020- November 2022, they might have removed it

[eternal zephyr]

Thanks

[junior thunder]

Appreciate it, thanks!

[obtuse tapir]

Tbh, i kinda vaguely remember it too, but im not sure.
And now i'm starting to think it's like those once in a lifetime cutscenes in the game

[lapis quest]

Question, what are the 3 most important things a new player should know about Dawn?

Trying to write a thing…

[nimble ingot]

Light is good, bells are a goal and they were told a vague prophecy from cave murals by ancestors who are now spirits they have to save.

[sharp lichen]

As in, tutorial wise or lore wise?

[coral bramble]

So has anyone sleuthed out the ts hint?

[nimble ingot]

Ash (concept artist for TGC) usually drops TS hints in the server.

They sadly dont confirm what kind of spirit we may have coming, but it does give an interesting tidbit about them.

Your one Monday hint is as follows!

This weeks TS ||ranks vegetables by taste||

[lapis quest]

Lore Wise

[nimble ingot]

It took me a bit to write this down but here is a documented script of the introduction murals in Dawn as of writing this.

(upon entering the realm and the camera pans towards the first candles)
At last, you return to this world. Remember Child-
(when prompted to light the candles)
your **light **is a gift.

(First mural)
All are given breath by starlight.
The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars.

(Second mural)
Together, we built a kingdom in the clouds.
we connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.

(Third mural)
But then the Sky went dark,
and our kingdom Shattered.

(Fourth mural)
Many of us are still trapped in these realms.
Please, Child... Bring your light to our fallen spirits.

Bonus text lore in Dawn:
(At a Winged Light)
Seek Lost Memories to gather Winged Light.

(At the Spirit Gate)
Spirit Gates like this one once connected the realms of Sky.
Beyond this gate is a temple, where Elders once shepherded spirits back to the stars.
But the Elders fell long ago.

For context, here is the old Dawn introduction mural:

With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home

[lapis quest]

@nimble ingot you are awsome! I'm making a series on the Lore in sky... is it ok if I credit you? I mean you did not write it... but you did write it down.

[nimble ingot]

In academic writing, this is what is called a documentation of a source.

The Sky game would be the primary source, naturally. While me writing it down would be considered a secondary source.
I may not have been the one who wrote the introduction. But I witnessed it and documented it for others to use as a source.

[lapis quest]

I like you

[nimble ingot]

I see now why the new intro gives a lot more lore than the old one. And yet the old one has some telling details.

For starters, it is clear these two versions were told from different perspectives.
The current one may be referring to the elders, or the ancestors. Because it mentions "us" and "our" who built the kingdoms.
Perhaps this may be the ancestors based on the "trapped in these realms" mention. But then again, it could also apply to the Elders.
I would say this is about the ancestors for the two reasons that are these murals were made by ancestors to communicate to the skykids. While the Elders seemingly do so in visions instead. And the other reason is them asking skykids to bring their light to the "fallen spirits", while calling them "Child".
This may be a reference to The Fallen in Eden. And based on concept art lore suggesting skykids are descendants of Ancestors, it may make sense for them to call us children in a familial sense, as if they knew we would come.

The older version seems to be told from a different perspective. One that has been speculated in this lore channel for a long time. Some suggested it could be Megabird (aka Bird of Light), or the elders (perhaps the King too? Probably not in the current game).
That aside, it is certain that falling stars are still a factor in the lore despite the change (I mentioned why this is the case with Ash's comment earlier).

Also, the "If only they had listened..." is a rather ominous line.
Clearly this would be a nod to a terrible event in the lore that has lead to darkness rising, the stars falling, the kingdom shattering.
Therefore, it may be lead one could follow up in connection to the season of Shattering's memory shards, as well as the war(s) in Wasteland, end most likely Eden as ground zero to the destruction.

I would also suggest looking at Aurora's songs.
Because the game makes a clear hint that "Sound is more than half of the experience"
Meaning, the songs in the game may have lore as well.

[lapis quest]

I mean, I've been in sky for years and love the investigative and interpritive nature to the Lore in this game. It's art. While I could never do a "this is what happened," nor should anyone else, I feel that there could be a more "starting point" style guide for people that want to dive deeper... So I'm working on some video essays to hopefully give people one.

[nimble ingot]

I have done a lot of research and analysis on the art in the game.
I would agree that one cannot present the lore as "this version is canon and nothing else matters".
Because the lore is by design open to interpretation. The devs made this clear in the lore chat and in the game.
Albeit in the lore chat, fans would have a far better chance of learning about the lore than on their own in the game. As the game has a lot of plot holes and blanks for the player to fill in themselves.

I intend to present the lore here in an objective manner for folks to draw their own conclusions from. Unless where I state otherwise with entertaining theories or taking part in shenanigans on the server.

Currently, I sadly cannot see a complete image of what is canon in sky. However, there is a good amount of canon lore that one could use as stepping stones. One can build off these concepts to form their own theories and hopefully back them up with viable evidence.

[native galleon]

so aviary huh

[nimble ingot]

careful Liv. it is not yet out in Live.

We can talk about posts and official announcements.

[native galleon]

They just announced it in #news

Where do you think it’s going to be? What realm gets to be the home of The Ultimate Sky Hangout Spot? Or do we think it’s going to replace Home?

[sharp lichen]

One of the best sources would be the “seven days of sky” posts, detailing TGC’s view about the lore of the Isle of Dawn.

The links are here: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Days_of_Sky and https://x.com/thatskygame/status/1282813297717243905?s=20

Isle of Dawn has been one of the most iterated upon levels in Sky lore. Some cut versions of it probably found its way into modern day Home, but the atmosphere of an early morning beach has remained there.

But if I have to pin down three:

1. Concepts introduced through early versions: Isle of Dawn is a gateway that allow for light creatures and Ancestor Spirits to travel from one land into another.

2. Concepts introduced in the base game: Isle represents the earliest days of human civilization, in which the Ancestor Spirits were likely hunter-gatherers and didn’t build permanent structures. The emphasis on boats implies it was a well-connected realm, as it allowed for access to the vast seas. However, there was not enough development for any major harbor.

3. Concepts introduced in seasons: Isle has a lot of emphasis on teaching, whether it’s for the individual virtues of Prophecy or the cooperative virtues of Passage. While it was probably not the only education realm, it’s very likely that children stayed in Isle for a bit and then got sent off to the other realms, using their knowledge elsewhere.

[cold sparrow]

beta content is not allowed outside of the beta channels. please stick to what is shown in announcement news posts and trailers at most

[carmine hornet]

Oh sorry

[cold sparrow]

Please delete your post, because some people want to keep spoilers to a minimum 🙏

[carmine hornet]

Ok will do👍

[sharp lichen]

This would be cool! I would love to see it

[hushed steeple]

The sky map is more a figurative depiction of the world of sky, not an exact modern map with proper scale, so it cant be used so litteraly to calculate exact distances between all the regions

It showing general geography of sky and where each realm is located in relation to the surounding ones, and shows each region clearly on a flat plane and about the same size ( which is where a lot of the inconsistencies come in😅

For example,
-in Waitland, Voult and Edan, the map mixis elevation and longitude/latitude. You go streight up in Voult yet going by the map your moveing south to north

• the plumit you do at the start of Waistland is also shown woth you going down the map, even though you dont suddenly travel south for dozens of miles
• Most of the realm of Vouilt is also underneath Edan, but for clarety there cant be overlap so its shown seperatly
  -And the fact that each region is shown at about the same size and right next to each other also worps the proportions of what is depicted on the map.
• The distance between these regions is not always acurate, as like the size of the region, most of them are the same
  -And thats not even getting into the triles or orbit, who deffinetivly dont have the same geographical presence as the other regions on the map, but are there anyway😅😅

So I dont think that Abyss is at all as close to the other realms in universe as you think

[hushed steeple]

Now dont get me wrong, the sky map isnt worthless (like some people might try to convince you😒)
It is a preaty acurate depiction(for the most past) of the relative dustrubution of the realms wthin the world, the regions withinn the realms, and the general shape of the world of sky

Just take a lot of what you see with a grain of salt, and that this map is more figurative then mathematicly acurate

[hushed steeple]

I dont think thats exactly right🤔
There might be something to the pipes transfering energy from edan to waistland...

However Edan was NEVER haeven ( orbit)

Edan is just the top of the mountain, where light creatures traveled to in order to ascend and reimcarnate.

It is however a normal(mostly) phisical mortal place in sky, always has been.
The beam of light that we use to ascend does conect edan to orbit (and by extention Megabird, space, and the spiritual plane), but beyond that they had nothing to do with each other

Also, Voult is located INSIDE the great mountain on top of which edan is located
It was safe becouse it was easy to seal itself off from the rest of the world when the blight of darkness come

(It is called a VOULT after all😅)

[cobalt palm]

So we actually climb Eden twice,
once inside (may or may not be a recorded illusion from the memory lanterns we light on each level)

And once outside, the real Eden in the storm.

Or once spiritually, and once in reality.

[hushed steeple]

Not really😅
Edan is not the whole mountain, just the top part of it ( like last 1/4 if were to drop a figure😅)

Actually makeing the whole joutney up the mountain, with the raging storm, krill everywhere, and most of it being compleatly baron is kind of insain😅

So insted you enter the Waistland castle thats near the base of the Mountain, go through a passage that takes you inside the Mountain ( enterence to Voult), and then take the elevator for most of the way there, until you reach the gates of edan

[sharp lichen]

It may seem to be distorted in some ways, but the similarities to the Chinese official map make me think the Sky map is more accurate than we let on

[sharp lichen]

Not really. Think of the beginning of Eden as “base camp”. Vault is the journey to that base camp, while Eden is the summit.

[hushed steeple]

Never said it wasnt acurate☺️
I explained that it a accurate description of the word of sky, how things are distributed in it, and the relative conection of all the regions within it

Its just isnt a mathematicly acurate dipuctions of the distances between the regions like @bold magnet was using it

(Explained that in the post after it☺️)

[cold wyvern]

Also… it the journey in Sky higher than the journey in “Journey” cuz the last level in Journey is the entrance to the second area in Sky

If the Journey *

So potentially Eden is waaaaaay taller than what we originally think if no one has played the original game

[hushed steeple]

I unfortunatly never got the chance to play journey, so I cant comment on that😅

If your talking about the desert as the second area in sky, then I dont think they are neceseraly the same place, and more like that area in journey directly ispired the one in sky😅

[cold wyvern]

The first shot is from Journey, the second from Sky

That or there’s two mountains on each side

As these pictures are as they are and it could be one shot facing on entrance, the other shot facing the other side of the entrance

Plus they have the costume from Journey in Sky if you have a PlayStation

[native galleon]

Sky geography related headcanon (warning: oops, i made it sad)

Treasure Reef must be pretty far from the rest of Wasteland for it to be relatively unpolluted, and in recent events, we’ve seen two Abyss spirits make it to Prairie in one form or another (not always as TS, but the point stands). In one such instance, Days of Nature 2023, Anxious Angler even guided an event where you clean up pollution that has floated over to Sanctuary.

My headcanon is, it’s technically possible to get from Wasteland to Prairie (and Isle, but there’s less in-game evidence for that) by sea, but it would be a very long and treacherous journey that would be particularly dangerous in the later stages of Wasteland’s decay. With dark creatures, extremely polluted seas, and limited amounts of food or water, it would be virtually impossible to survive. Abyss spirits were probably luckier than most in getting that far out. I don’t even know if the Abyss spirits were necessarily trying to escape or just to survive within Wasteland, but I think that in the time they are from, it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to try and escape that way, though few if any would ever make it.

It’s a bit bittersweet that they’re making it now, thanks to the combined efforts of the skykids, after their death. They may have never escaped alive, but they finally got to see the sun in the skies and clear seas, and I think that’s just aughhh

[nimble ingot]

droping some concept art (there are more images, but these ones are relevant to your mention of the crew travelling).

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s also possible to sail from Home to Isle, as indicated by the Running Wayfarer memory

[native galleon]

It would also make sense for pre-Wasteland to have so many seaports if they were shipping resources between realms. Boats in Sky don’t have to travel on the water, they can fly as well, but they must have built those ports by the sea for a reason

[hushed steeple]

I never really consudered that
That is really bittersweat

Also, the abyss spirits were called "scavengers" who "descovered" the treasure reaf in the introduction to the season,so that does inply that they were mostly traing to survive, living the best they could in the begining of the "Era of darkness"

They probably couldent travel too far with the sea being so dangerous now, but while hopping from island to island they ended up finding the Treasure Reaf, which was already abandoned and wrecked even back when they found it

[hushed steeple]

Also, when it comes to the geography, there's a lot of evidence that sugests that Waistland could not only reach Daylight by boat, but might have done trade at one point as well

Im headcanon is that there are probably way more islands in the sea that we dont know about, and that traveling by boad would include makeing stops on these islands until you eventually cross the sea

[native galleon]

Yeah I can see that

[hushed steeple]

As for Isle, theoreticly its compleatly possible to get there from Waistland, but it probably would not be worth it.

Not only would there be little point in traiding with Isle directly, given that it didnt have much to offer Waistland and vice versa, but its also really really far away.

Getring to Isle would mean traveling through the ocean, with non of the islands in the sea as stops

Thats why I think that if someone fron Waistland wanted to get to Isle by sea, they probably would have taken one of the established routs to Daylight and then teavel from there

[lucid bridge]

Cool comparison between in-game manta skeleton and real-life manta skeleton (fun fact: real mantas don’t have bone; instead they have cartilage)

Sky mantas are vertebrates, it seems

Makes sense because elder mantas are implied to become whales/arowanas, which are vertebrates

My bad. Mantas are vertebrates in real life, too they just don’t have those long spines on the vertebrae

[hushed steeple]

I dont think mantas turn into the Arowalas whale
They turn into the elder manta from Sanctuary

[hushed steeple]

Well yeah😅
Mantas are basicly sharks (or at least in the same class as them)

Sharks have vertaba and sceleton, its just not made of bone
The jawless fish like hagfish and lamprey are also vertabrats, though much closer to the base of the family tree

[lucid bridge]

I thought the manta life cycle sort of split into the arial arowanas and the marine whales. Though it seems mantas in Sky can switch between marine/arial pretty easily

I wonder what deep sea animals in Sky look like. As in, deeper than the abyssal monster we see with all the red eyes

[hushed steeple]

hmmmm🤔
I guess I never considered the fact that they might split....although havent seen much reason to think that myself
I kinda asumed the whales were THE oldest creatures in sky, so eather some fish eventually turns into them....or perhaps the elder manta could turn into them

[hushed steeple]

Hard to tell
VERY old concept art do show a sky octopuss, so there is that
Though I think that given the dependance on light, most aquatic sky creatures would be eather amphibias, or mostly the shallow sea/ reaf type of marine life

[lucid bridge]

Hmm… concept art is kinda iffy on its canonicity, tho it makes me wonder what a sky octopus would look like in the current game

For a fact we know there are butterflies/moths, mantas of various sizes, whales, arowanas, fish of various types, the abyssal creature, crabs (both pure and corrupted), krill/dark dragons, sparrows, that crested bird from the prairie, jellyfish of various sizes, eels, and sea turtles. There’s implied to be or to have been rabbits, ducks, foxes, and spiders. I’m most likely missing some.

[hushed steeple]

Oh I know its not canon
But considering that the turtle was on the same are, who could say

[rigid iron]

We have clams and sea stars too, those are cool guys

[lucid bridge]

There’s coral. I don’t know if that counts within Sky. Or if fungi and plants are also included. The light itself seems to be alive

[rigid iron]

That's true, coral are animals

[hushed steeple]

It is quite possible
Though if fully terestrial sky creatures did ever exist in sky...they probably all went extinct 😥

[lucid bridge]

There’s the cosmic mantas but I don’t know if they’re “real” or “ghosts”

Oh and elder bird

We do see one fully terrestrial animal… the ancestors lol

[rigid iron]

and they also went extinct 😔 terrestrial animal curse

[hushed steeple]

fun fact about coral. The plant like think we see is not really its body

The coral animal is near microscopic, creating massive collony made up of its clones, who all work together as one being as create what is basicly a city version of the clams shell

[rigid iron]

When you zoom in close you can really see how these guys are related to jellies fascinating little animals

[hushed steeple]

Exactly☺️
I always here people wondering how could Coral possibly be an animal when they learly look like plants
The simple answer is that there all looking at the wrong thing😅

Spounges work the same way, only in there case the creatures that make them up actual microbes( or at least preaty close to them)

[lucid bridge]

Would light creatures be autotrophs and dark creatures heterotrophs?

I have a theory about the trees. All the trees we see are dead. The light blooms growing from them act much like fungi in real life as decomposes. The solid light bloom forms we see are dead light blooms. It’s all like bones.

[hushed steeple]

Considering that Light creatures like mantas have mouths, I kinda doubt it😅

[lucid bridge]

Also according to my theory, light creatures only leave behind their skeletons if they are killed as opposed to returning to mega bird

[lucid bridge]

I didn’t know they had mouths! 🆒 Light creature carnivorism?

[rigid iron]

That's a really interesting question. Dark creatures are most likely heterotrophs, but I don't think we really know how light creatures get their light. They seem to produce it since they are constantly giving off light, so in that case they would be autotrophs. But if they get light from the sun or from other light sources they wouldn't really be converting it to anything else, and therefore not technically producing their own or maybe I'm overthinking this

[hushed steeple]

That is outright comfermed and stated as much in all the concept art

[lucid bridge]

Well, we call plants autotrophs even though they don’t make their own light.

[hushed steeple]

They might be a mix of boath
Mantas in particular have a lot of surfice area that wold work great for gaining light energy from the sun while flighing
Although they could alse be filter feaders, absorbing the light energy thats a part of the enviromant itself

[lucid bridge]

Photoheterotroph? lol I like your filter feeding idea, it’s much like mantas irl

At the end of the day though you can’t really classify the Sky animals the same way we classify animals on earth because sky just isn’t earth… but it’s fun anyway

[rigid iron]

Because plants don't really eat light on it's own, they use the energy from light to produce sugar and produce their own food from a raw resource rather than eating already made resources like a heterotroph. Since light creatures live off of pure light it's a bit more difficult to tell if they're converting it in any way to something else

[hushed steeple]

the tiny fish would probably work the same way too
Though for larger creatures they probably also eat light blooms or light plants like we see in abyss

[lucid bridge]

Now I’m thinking about grass and flowers and how they reproduce and if they use pollinators to spread light

[hushed steeple]

true. just how boath mantas and whals are closly related in this world, despite being very different in ours

[hushed steeple]

there is still so much to descover

[lucid bridge]

I need to compile and organize my light/dark ecosystem theories into something like a diagram

Pumpkins. Are they canon

[nova pivot]

please, that would be awesome

[lucid bridge]

That’s what I think too

[nova pivot]

i was wondering, what is the reason for the oppression from the soldiers in the rememberance quest spirit

does it stem from the tensions pre-war?

also it's not very clear where the spirits from the quests are from, was that area in the vault a place where ppl lived?

[hushed steeple]

More likely dureing war
Deserter, fugetives, cevilians being orderded around, cevilians in enemy teritory, forced conscription, history of protests getting them into trouble.....
Theres plenty of reasons why they could have treated thise particular spirits like that

[nova pivot]

i see, so there's no clear evidence to what it was, we can just suppose then

[hushed steeple]

That would be fantastic🤩
First thing you need to collect examples from every living thing curently in sky, so you know your not missing anything

[lucid bridge]

takes out moments camera

[hushed steeple]

I mean....there might be...but its not clear
They were going more for a mood after all.

[hushed steeple]

Sky Attenborough going on a nature hunt😂

[lucid bridge]

Question: does the Performance OOB penguin count?

[hushed steeple]

its an oob, so probably not😅

[nova pivot]

there are also the manatees on the new prairie region as well

[lucid bridge]

YES!!

Imma call them mantatees

[nova pivot]

so if we count that the animals evolve into different light creatures, would they be pokemons?????

[hushed steeple]

Documentary voice

For many years, skyentists have wondered where the Mantatees from the Sanctuary islands camo from
Though there have been many sightings over the years, rear and speratic sightings sugest that the islands are mearly a stoping place for these creatures.
No nesting area or stable permanent population had been found anywhere on the continent.....until today
In a recent expedition, a new valley had been descovered beyond the cave systems of priery, and there for the first time we have been able to observe mantatees living on land
It is the curent understanding that the Mountanes region of Priery peaks is the main origin and nesting home of the mantaties, who then follow the river to the sea to migrate and feed on light seaweed

Also one more thing before I go

these Character Assets for the mantas show what the yellow thing on manta heads actually looks like

[nova pivot]

spikes or antennae?

[lucid bridge]

Polyps? Markings? Who knows?

[nova pivot]

maybe light marker, kind of like the sparks on skykids' wings

[scenic siren]

Imagine a while after the Eden explosion, from a basement somewhere a group of ancestors emerge. The leader, wearing a "Birds are not real" cape and a tinfoil hat, stares at the surrounding. "Ha! I told you guys! The government can not be trusted!". And that group go search for other survivors group and slowly rebuild the population, not knowing at the other side of the continent flying kids are dropping like rain from the sky.

[sharp lichen]

It was probably used as a decorative plant, although things that happen in the office are usually not canon

[sharp lichen]

One theory/headcanon I like is that the animals shown in the animal masks are mythological creatures in the Sky world. Just like we wear masks of dragons and such in our world.

[lucid bridge]

That’s how I feel… so, animals depicted in sky masks full under the “maybe” category

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but I’d rather say “they share their energy” instead of “make their own energy”

[sharp lichen]

Sky biology lets goooooo

After Sky physics, the sequel has arrived

[soft timber]

We need a doc named Sky Science just for this

[lucid bridge]

Oh, I should also add that I’m not including Oreo because I think he is not canon

As I am not including Oreo I am also not including the Performance OOB penguin, for consistency’s sake

I’ll mention them because they do exist in the game but I don’t know if Easter eggs count

[nimble ingot]

You have a good point that a black and white pomeranian dog in Sky is not canon.

1 - Oreo is known as a mascot to TGC, and with their office present in the game and noted as not canon by the devs in the realm of Sky, this would extend to the dog.
2 - There are no other instances of dogs in Sky, except for a Shiba Inu statue that is found in the Office (thus making it non-canon still)

We have no other indicators in the game that suggests the ancestors had dogs, nor wolves.
It would be cool if there were dog sleds or hunting dogs in the game that we could encounter (this is just me thinking of fanon here), but this may apply to many other possible animals in the game.

What may still help with the lore of Sky about animals we dont have in the game would be based on the ancestors' masks.

[fickle marsh]

I have beating eden twice please explain to me the lore ^^ I’m ready I’ve kinda understand it but I want to make sure

[lucid bridge]

What is this in the Abyss region

[nimble ingot]

That is a copy of the Abyss' massive dark creature sitting out of bounds.

This is most likely the one that was supposed to be in the underwater chamber at the start of the season.
I think the best way to confirm this is asking a moth who did not do these quests yet to know for sure.

Either case, it is perfectly harmless.

As for its name, we dont have a canon name for it sadly.
The nicknames you would hear for them would be elder Dark Dragon, elder krill, mega krill, leviathan, abyss monster, king krill etc.

Dont mind me.
I'll be a while typing my theory ^^

[lavish wind]

looks like we're not gettin sassy this console release

[lavish wind]

unless they may come when pc officially releases later

[nimble ingot]

They may come back some day. The question is when that may be, sadly.

(Continuing the ancestor mask theory)

There are various animals the ancestors in Sky must have seen, let alone known about, that their masks were based off.

Looking at the non-season spirits, the all (if not most) of the masks are human like.
It is speculative whether the warrior spirit's head dressing would count as whale masks based on their resemblance to the sky whale's spikes, though I'd personally count them based on the wasteland elder's mask matching that theme and the whale's presence in the game.

Moving on to the seasons, here is a list of possible animals based on masks by season:
Gratitude - Crab, rabbit/fox, bird/vulture, bull and weasel/cat, deer
Belonging - none
Lightseekers - none
Rhythm - (all birds) (presumably) eagle, crane, owl and duck
Enchantment - none
Sanctuary - none (only the hiking crouch is selling their mask, lol)
Prophecy - sea turtle/ sea goat???, spider, bat, lion, jackal
Dreams - rabbit, pheasant, quail, pheonix/peacock
Assembly - none
Little Prince - frog (from beckoning ruler)
Flight - none (shocker)
Abyss - none
Performance - (various types of penguins) (assumingly) rockhopper, African, fiordland, royal etc.
Shattering - none (shocker, albeit based on sky creatures in any case)
Aurora - none
Remembrance - none
Passage - serow, boar/giraffe, monkey, racoon/tanuki, bear
Moments - (reassuring ranger) unsure?
Revival - ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Then events are a bit of a grey area, but just for funzies:
The end of year, Days of Fortune are based on the Chinese zodiac, therefore would theoretically include all 12 animals on the zodiac (fun fact, next year would be year of the DRAGON).
And there is the cat mask from mischief.

[sharp lichen]

By https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5IGuShlsujPyyRCtqRkSVehFRYA6OEmgURamyU6MSI/edit

[nimble ingot]

for ranger, my best guess would be puma
Based on the jaw line detail, and love for climbing mountains. The socks detail could possibly be a cheeky reference to the brand footwear, lol)

[hushed steeple]

Ok, when were on the subject of sky animals, I just had a though
Are whales maby the final evolution of the manta that comes AFTER the elder manta🤔
I didnt think it was true before, but now I do kinda wonder
I mean, just look at this progresion

Baby manta

Mono wing

Quad wing

Hex wing

Elder Manta

Whale

As the manta species grow, they get more wings, the solid beak on the end of there face become biggerm and after the hex wing phase the wings all grow in number but shrink relative to the body, which only grows more bulky

And to clarefy, Im not saying that whales are just normal mantas that are REALLY old.
Even for the regular mantas, the sky wiki calles them all "different species"

So this is just a matter of a more evolved form, with whales being the very pinicle

[nimble ingot]

whales in Sky may be the elder variant (or evolution) for Fish.

Whereas the mantas has their own elder variant that is swimming/flying/jumping around Sanctuary island.

[nimble ingot]

This is true as we see a lot of mantas of different sizes there. 👍

[lucid bridge]

Taking pictures of sky critters is hard

There’s more than I thought and it is also fun!

[nova pivot]

you could use the table prop to "float" and get some better angles

[hushed steeple]

Its why I call the Coelacanth Canth and the Whale Whale

Thats a big fish not a whhhaaale meanwhile theres an actual whale looking whale that JUST GETS CALLED ELDER?! Whatever. Its a SANCTUARY whale.

[rigid iron]

see this is what I've been saying

[lucid bridge]

Do you think this is like a ghost tree or a living tree

It’s got the same shimmer as a spirit but idk

[nimble ingot]

hmmm... Good question.

I would say it is similar to object the spirits would be interacting with in memories.
Let's use the boats as an example here. When we see a spirit ride a 'phantom boat' the boat may be real to the spirit, but it is not solid for us.
The spirits may be in an in between state with the real world (our skykids' reality) and the spirit world (their world where they can manifest objects as part of their memories).

Now, these objects may not always be from their memories, as we have seen them use these 'phantom objects' in scenes that likely would be taking place in the present and not a memory. Most notably so in season quests where skykids interact with them directly and they respond.
We also know they are not able to move physical objects (that I am aware of) without outside interference, such as skykids or magic (which may be difficult for them to use, I assume).

The Lightseekers are dedicated to restoring the balance between light and darkness. At least that is how I interpret it with them seeking out places where they can help bring nature back to life.
These trees may be them trying to manifest a physical tree, and they pray over them daily (I pressume daily seeing these trees are always there even without the spirit present for the daily task. And why we may not see them every day in the game may be related to the gameplay itself with daily tasks being limited).

Who knows, maybe this is them trying to bring nature as a spirits. And us skykids are not quite able to help them beyond admiring their efforts.

Now that I think of it.

Imagine us players getting special tasks to help 'set up' and 'pack away' event areas.
A boat arrives at a place early and skykids are able to help pack out/in various items as a special task. Once its complete it, it cannot be repeated until it is time for the event space to be packed away. The reward could be a candle (not just wax) or a heart even.
Either case, it would play so well into the lore on how the spirits were able to use event spaces that were not there before the event started.

One can naturally assume the events at TGC Office were set up by staff (skykids as it seems. Seeing that they can be found as staff members there).
Therefore, aside from extending that assumption to other event spaces being set up by TGC skykid staff npcs, it may be fun being able to set up and pack away items for a small reward. ❤️

[empty belfry]

My friend brought up this question earlier when i brought him to the oob room in vault. Do these symbols mean anything? Theyre different on teh left and right side. Its got me thinking too, i dont assume it has any real translations or anything but im wondering if it does now lol

I should clarify i mean the symbols under the lanterns, not the lanterns themself. They look like an old script that doesnt get used anymore.

[sharp lichen]

It’s difficult to decipher, you might want to find out if @wheat cypress has anything to say about it

[empty belfry]

It is. Ive been sat here for 20 minutes looking at the old hebrew scripts the elders scrapped names come from and one close to it.

[wheat cypress]

I can't go into much depth but this script has been studied multiple times in the past. Here's a quick link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IX5VDRQXrVjY0hiBvU9AJAswxqtgSr2FlqCaiyivW3Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

My own research has all come up to dead ends, but frankly, the quest is still on

[empty belfry]

Im attempting to not deciper if it says anything at all but im trying to just find old letters that arent used anymore to try and correlate them

All ive really figured out so far in 20 minutes is one of them might be an 'N'?

[wheat cypress]

If you get any leads feel free to ping me, I've been working on this for years and I'd love a fresh set of eyes

[empty belfry]

My friend got me wondering on this now lol. Im trying to see if any old languages have correlations @wheat cypress (forgot to ping 💀

[lucid bridge]

Idk how taxonomic trees work exactly but I’m trying to map out my headcanon’d relations

I put all creatures with eye spots together, which is why the nightbird and the golden-tipped sparrow are more closely related to the mantas than to the other birds (because the other birds don’t have eye spots)

[brave granite]

same kid?

[dreamy saddle]

hmmm

[slim mango]

i think it's related to the two embers

[obtuse tapir]

I WAS ABOUT TO POINT THAT OUT

Oh shoot sorry for ping

[arctic sphinx]

they look same tbh

[obtuse tapir]

That's what I thought too

[arctic sphinx]

maybe there's some part in the quest will foreshadowing the animation

[obtuse tapir]

Imagine

[arctic sphinx]

actually, what this skykid doing in the new season? friend?

[obtuse tapir]

Not sure, I'll be honest. But the Aviary is a lost village, I think, right?

[arctic sphinx]

yeah. lost village. the home of season guides??

like, owl guide and ark guide (kinda forgot how to spell the season right) are there. helping to revive the village.

[obtuse tapir]

Oh yeahhhh

[wicked epoch]

Interesting conversation regarding this spirit #questions-and-help message happened and now I am curious.

The spirit looks similar to the spirit at home that sits beside the boat, just smaller, are they related? Could that be the spirit’s father? That’s why confident sightseer at valley of triumph was looking around for someone, because their husband is out selling things on a boat?

[hushed steeple]

Im just going by what the official wiki and character sheets calls them

[hushed steeple]

Well yes, that what I always thought
But after what @lucid bridge said.....well I just thought I might test the possibility🤔
See if it could make sence or not

[hushed steeple]

Wow, you actually did all that
Thats so awsome @wheat cypress🤩🤩🤩🤩
You really put in a lot of work into organising this thing😁

Unfortunatly, until we manage to descover some kind of Biscript or we know for shure what a part of the writing means before hand, it wont really be possible to crack the code😅

[hushed steeple]

I did get some ideas about it though🤔

Given the number of unique glyphs, I think the 1st script is more likely to be a syllabary (all the glyphs are syllables like in japanise) then a classic alphabet🤔

Also, I wonder if scripts 1, 2 and 3 are really so different from each other, and not just different versions of the same script.
Like is it possible to make a corralation between some of the symbols from the 1st and 2nd script, where its the same letter just writen more blocky

Im not saying any of this is true, just something to maby something you might consider

[nocturne copper]

omg i came here because i wanted to point it out too

[hushed steeple]

Me too, but then I saw that others did it way before me😆

[hushed steeple]

Interesting classification tree
The part about the eyedrop is also quite interesting, as some kind of ancestral trait, though not entirely shure as turtles also have teardrop marking🤔

Although there are no whales,jellyfish,eels,turtles or fish of any kind here, so Im guessing this is only a specific class in the sky family tree

Now Im thinking of makeing my own family tree.
Hope thats not a problem😰 ?

[native galleon]

was also coming here to ask this

[sharp lichen]

It’s interesting because it might confirm that the children in two embers are ancestor spirits and not Skykids (possibly? We’ve never seen a spirit Skykid before)

[nova pivot]

there's also the seagulls from treasure reef

[hushed steeple]

Hey everybody
I had an idea of makeing a full sky (game) timeline
It will show when all the events,seasons, and major changes in the world and gameplay happened
All the entry's will be spaced out with each squear being one week, to really give a sence of time

Initial planing

Would anybody be interested in seing this?
I dont see much point of doing it if most people dont care😅

[indigo juniper]

I would 😄

[nova pivot]

i think it would be a nice addition to the pins

and it would be much appreciated, at least by me

[nimble ingot]

If you like, perhaps a user that used to talk about timeline here called Salem may be interested in comaring notes. 🪶

[empty belfry]

We have so far figured our(by we i mean myseld and @echo pond ) that some characters MAY mean N2ha. Bur since this is read right to left its Ha2n

[hushed steeple]

Fascinating👀👀👀

Though how curtain are we that the symbols are besed on hebrew in the first place 🤔
I know the elders at one point had names based on Hebrew letters, but since that aspect never made it into canon, Im not shure if all the writing in the curent game is conected to hebrew and its variations🤔

[empty belfry]

We arent certain at all. But it was the place we got our best leads so that is where were going from

Im thinking that some letters may also be flipped. My friend also pointed out that numbrrs used to mean things. So who knows. Perhaps its not even a coherent sentence

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps
I dont want to discourige your persute or anything, I think what your doing is preaty cool☺️
Just givving my 2 sence on it

[empty belfry]

Dont worry about it at all. Its a mystery nobodys managed to solve so im trying to 'pitch' (pun intended) in

[hushed steeple]

Creating scripts use to be a big hoby for me, so I understand the apeal☺️

[lucid bridge]

Go ahead. I’m just having fun

[hushed steeple]

Thanks ☺️

[hushed steeple]

Also, I got an idea when I sow your eye marking theory
Could turtles potentially be in the same family as manate
or is that a bit too crazy😅

[lucid bridge]

I would think so

[hushed steeple]

after all, sky creatrures mearly resemble earth creatures, but they dont work the same or have the same relations

[nova pivot]

what could possibly split them, into sub-species at least, is the fact that the manatees fly and the turtle doesn't

[hushed steeple]

Your forgetting the shell😅

[nova pivot]

or it might fly, it just doesn't for some reason... the turtle from sanctuary i mean

[nova pivot]

.... minor difference ... 😆

or the shell could be a cosmetic used by the "turtle", who knows...

it's a very small ecosystem from what it seems, or it could be that other evidence (murals depicting them, or the species themselves) might've been lost as well

[hushed steeple]

Well makeing more deversety beyond he needs of the game is probably not something the dev's are focusing on right now😅

[nova pivot]

also what would the shadow thingies from the fire trial actually are? another form of darkness? some sort of spell from elder to test the youngins?

[hushed steeple]

I kinda asumed that they are the ancestral form of dark creatures

A creature of darkness that does not contain or feed on light as dark plants and krill do

[nova pivot]

but it kinda does, or it might be just the darkness itself that puts the skykids out

considering that they do nothing about the candles

[hushed steeple]

perhaps
whatever those dark being are, they are far older then almost anything we see in the world of sky today

It is rather strange that these triles are the only place we ever see incorporial beings of darkness in the world

It a personal headcannon (though likely not true) that those being were eather traped within that realm by the elders, and that there kind were already anchant when that happened

the true nature of those beings is something I really REALLY hope TGS explores more in the future, as they might a key to understanding the nature of darkness itself and its relationship with light.
For unlike krill and krabs, they seam to have come to be independently of the coruptinng forces that have been broath about by the ancesters

[lucid bridge]

I heard somewhere that these are called owls, though it may just be a fan name. The emoji calls them “shadows” for whatever it’s worth.

[nova pivot]

an interesting thought, might even expand on that and say that they used to be ancestral spirits that got corrupted when the shattering happened and now roam around unable to ascend as the rest of the spirits

[hushed steeple]

That wouldent make tham anchant at all😅

Not really arguing about legiatics, we dont have evidence for any theory eather way😅

Just that I was going for a very different primilav vibe with them

[cold sparrow]

I imagine them to just be sort of constructs made for the trial
embodiments of terror and fear, to test the bravery of the youngins taking the trial

[hushed steeple]

Thats probably the best theory we got for now

[nova pivot]

oh.... nvm, got a bit confused

[hushed steeple]

Thats ok
I was just being dramatic for fun😅

[polar bay]

guys i have a serious discussion topic; what is the true meaning behind eden's naame?

[rigid timber]

eden became like that because of greed, the elders basically were harvesting too much light and the elder of eden got evaporated and sucked in a super charged light crystal (that huge vibrating rock in eden) and it corrupted it and everything went bad after that, destroying everything

in the shard events, sometimes you can get teleported to the scene where the elder eden gets sucked in and everyone is getting blasted away from the giant light rock

[polar bay]

oh that's very interesting! that makes so much sense how it's called eden. that's also very tragic.

[rigid timber]

Yeah! Basically everyone got corrupted by the darkness and their light is trapped in those dark shells, and its up to use to use our light to break those shells and set them free! :3

still a mystery where our sky kid came from since all the spirits were trapped though. I guess the universe made us and sent us

[nimble ingot]

Biblically speaking, it is the name of an ancient paradise. A garden made by God during the creation of the world. It was the birth of all life, of mankind, and also a place where the first sin took place. As the story goes, it held the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (source: Christianity)
The name itself has some religious connotations, although it has been used in other contexts as well.

In Sky, I would think with the above explanation in mind that the realm was once a paradise that was ruined with a terrible sin.
What this sin may be is uncertain in the game, other than it being connected to the massive shattered crystal that is corrupted and supposedly responsible for the relentless and violent Storm of Darkness.

Lastly, the realm was once known as Storm in Sky: Light Awaits. Which not only connects to the Hidden Forest (with its former name being Rain), but also the storm.

[nimble ingot]

Funny you say that.

It is canon that the Dark Dragons (The Krill) were corrupted in Eden's explosive shattering.

[cold sparrow]

It is canon that they are corrupted, but it is still left vague when and how exactly

[rigid timber]

A little strange, I wonder why crabs and krill weren't trapped, maybe they weren't light creatures? but I also wonder how mantas and butterflys are seen roaming when we first arrive, I would have thought all of them would be trapped too

[nimble ingot]

Concept art (albeit dated since it was based in Light Awaits' lore, but may have some clues that have carried over).

"The Creatures caught in the centre of the Storm became corrupt and unrecognizable. They now wander the land as lost malignant beings."

The Krill are the dominant creature in Eden.
In the game, the amount of Krill in Eden are 4-5, whereas in Wasteland that is at the base of the mountain has 10, Vault has 1 that only appears in the Little Prince's scene which suggests they have travelled down from Eden and may theoretically spread to other regions (such as in Abyss which has 3-5).

The game has not shown us exactly how the krill would have become corrupted. However one can assume a shattering powerful enough to blow the realm to kingdom come would be one possible scenario.
I would go as far to say the krill that did not get corrupted could be the ash we see in the storm, along with the ancestors caught in the blast assumingly.

[nimble ingot]

I am not sure personally.

As the game has a limited take on what the devs may want to showcase about Sky (as evident in the amount of effort and detail put into the animation project).
The crabs are technically dark creatures themselves, as they are hostile to light creatures and burn in the fire.

It could be theoretically posisble there may have been other types of dark creatures in Sky that the game may not show. Although this may be pure speculation as concept art shows the devs went through a few designs, but these may not confirm that there were more types of dark creatures in the game.

With the skykid's help, it seems like the light creatures were somehow able to make it past Eden and into Orbit, albeit in small amounts except for the errand whale

In a way, before skykids arrived. Perhaps the light creatures were trapped outside of Eden and waiting for skykids to help them though.
Which may explain how we got some elder light creatures, but not as many as small light creatures.
Seeing it seems like the creatures need to ascend to Orbit in order to become more powerful.

[hybrid hamlet]

I'm still new to the game but wanted to ask anyway

Are Skykids actually related (as in: they are the same nation/species?) to the Ancestors? Also... are all the people we meet dead? Is there anyone alive left aside from us? Are guides dead too?

[nimble ingot]

In old lore (Light Awaits), it is possible skykids were descendants of Ancestors.
And while this theory may apply in the current lore, it is important to note that skykids are fire proof whereas ancestors were likely not, and skykids can fly and ancestors were most likely not (based on them using boats and mantas. They might be able to use magic to levitate things though). We have not seen ancestors do these activities in the game.

The Ancestors we meet in the game are indeed dead. They are spirits (ghosts, phantoms, poltergeists, you name it). As spirits, they can seemingly float (although they mostly prefer to walk), they can be bound to their graves/bodies.
They are aware of their surroundings as it seems, as well as they are able to relive their memories (note that these memories may be a general memory they had in life and may not always be a memory near or possibly their death).

Skykids and light creatures seem to be the only canon living creature in the game.
The two exceptions would be the Little Prince (particularly during the time where the collab took place, as the character now is just a memory in the game), and Aurora (who is also based on a collaboration with the game, and thus may defy the canon of the game. Meaning she may be a living human in the realms, but exists outside of the canon of the lore).

[nova pivot]

do you have the image in better quality? would love to be able to see it in detail

[nimble ingot]

Discord sadly limits the resolution.
Simply open as a link to view the image in your browser. 👍

[sharp lichen]

I think a version of this could be extremely useful! I think asking around in #beta-discussion for the extremely obscure and old parts of Sky could be very useful. After all, there’s so much to Sky’s development that we know nothing about, so it would be great to get more information on that.

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that the entire world of Sky used to be called Eden, and the final level known as “Eye of Eden” is just that. The eye, or center.

In this case, it borrows its name from the biblical Garden of Eden. A place where humanity (or in this case Ancestor Spirits) lived in harmony, until they were corrupted by greed

[sharp lichen]

Skykids and Ancestor Spirits share many qualities, but I think they are different species, as spirits are more humanoid and mortal, while Skykids are magical and immortal beings.

Given they are called spirits, I think they are dead. They are in a blue, ghostly form (the two embers trailer shows that they weren’t always like that). Seasonal Guides still reside in the world, but they have no power here.

[nova pivot]

what's the source of this image? because according to it, creatures attacking the lost ark was the cause for the shattering...

also pretty interesting timeline there

[nimble ingot]

This was done by Tom Zhoa.
He made a lot of the older concept art for Sky:Light Awaits.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7015113a702965998887a8835b6ee741/3d54e1129000b8c9-87/s540x810/11983a22595fddbf671b81e5d06b5e1508d9e595.gifv
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[marble pasture]

who is this kid? (in game)
and it's possible they are the same, maybe both are sky kids? or ancestors
but if they are sky kids, but one of them is a spirit instead of a statue(such as in eden) it might raise a lot of questions
BY THE WAY
there seems to be some sort of weird link between sky kids and children of light(wl)
but at the same time they seem different, they also seem really similar
what is even the difference? where'd they come from?

[bold magnet]

Dangit :(((

[inland spruce]

Are things from beta allowed here? I didn’t see it in the pins but I might’ve missed it… I wanted to be sure

I had a sudden realization but it involves things that aren’t out yet

[sharp lichen]

No sadly

[brave granite]

They’re an npc spirit from the next season’s trailer

[plain fern]

We need a season on this!!!!

[plain fern]

I had this same exact idea!!!!!

[potent maple]

Are spirits locked in terms of looks at the age they died? Cuz if so I feel bad for the passage kids

[plain fern]

When will there be Adults of the Light? Vs Children of the light

[arctic sphinx]

i've been wondering is cape that spirit use is used for flying like skykid? they have at least a star on the cape.

[native galleon]

I’ve also wondered this myself. I’d imagine so, but then I also think it’s possible in some cases that they are not stuck at the age they died, but at the age they were when they made the unfulfilled wish that we help grant them. Generally leaning towards the first one tho

[brave granite]

I don't think they fly, as they rely on boats and mantas. The one wedge seems to be their default energy/soul to me

[plain fern]

What is the starlight in the first realm and how was it made and what does it do

[arctic sphinx]

Where they get the wl?

Maybe it's just a cape, but there's star behind them.

[brave granite]

I think wls come from them. Born with it, possibly

[frozen zealot]

#pc-questions

[cobalt cliff]

What are the giant skulls and bones in graveyard supposed to be of?

[floral skiff]

marine life

[cobalt cliff]

Ohhh, that makes sense. So it used to all be an ocean then

[south saddle]

hmm.. i hadn't thought about wasteland being an ocean.. though it makes sense in a way, with the abundance of boats in some areas.. specifically, the skeletons are the whale creatures

[cobalt cliff]

Ooh. Perhaps they used to live in water and evolved to fly? If wasteland was an ocean 🤔 and perhaps they were bigger back then. Considering that in the battlefield the weapons are so large as well

[sharp lichen]

Probably, which, I mean, Passage isn’t the first or last instance of child death

[nimble ingot]

It has been theorised in the past of the lorechat that they may be from a creature we dont have in the game.
A nickname for them was whurtles. A whale-turlte hybrid.
Their skulls resemble that of turtles, and their sheer size resemble that of whales.

[late oriole]

Guyss what do we know about the king and the prince? I've seen a little bit but I haven't found a fandom page or anything

[sharp lichen]

The Elder Elder (King/Prince) built the Eden Diamond you see in PNR, but it absorbed all the light creatures and shattered. This caused the devastation in Eden and the death of the spirits, as well as the Shard eruptions. Also, in the elder memory, we see the Eden Elder falling into the diamond

[late oriole]

okok thankyouu

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of biblical inspiration, there's an interesting one conected to Dante's Devine Comedy

The work chronicles a tour/journey through Hell, Pergatory and Heaven and combined all the ideas, and concepts of the Christian afterlife into one modern( medivel for us😅) cosmology

In it, Pergatory is described as a giant mountain, devided into nine regions seperated by gates that are guarded by angels.
To reach heaven you must climb up the mountain, and can only continue through the levels when the angel guarding each gate declares you worthy to pass.

-Level one is Antepergatory, which is where you wait for god know how long (literaly🤣) until you can start your journey
-The next 7 levels are based on the 7 deadly sins, and are full of dangers, punishmants, harsh triel and prooving yourself

-And the final level is called Eden....as in the actual earth paradice EDAN.

Once there you are eventually given the ability to ascend into heaven
....
....
Wonder if any of that sounds familiar

😏😏😏😏

[nimble ingot]

They were characters were supposedly cut from development when it was changed from Sky: Light Awaits, to Sky: children of the Light.
The game had been through a lot of changes when looking at concept art and at its updates throughout the seasons.

It is possible that the King was the elder of Eden. As it is the only missing elder of the line up and Eden is the only realm without an recognisable elder present.

As far as the concept art by Tom Zhao goes, it was once considered that the King would have been a massive figure us skykids had to help save in Eden as they fought a ginormous creature in the clouds amidst a massive and deadly storm.

[nimble ingot]

The King falling into the diamonds is giving me Gaster vibes, lol.

[nimble ingot]

climbing up a mountain in Sky feels a bit like the tale of Sisyphus
A myth 3about a man who has to roll a rock up a mountain/hill, but is doomed to fail as each time he is close to the top, the rock rolls back down

[hushed steeple]

Not a myth by Plato ( although he did use him in one of his dialogues), but still I see your point☺️

[nimble ingot]

ah I see and my bad.

[uncut pond]

I KNEW I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW THE SISYPHUS SIMILARITIES

[nimble ingot]

mothyphus' tale

Painstakingly gathering all the winged light they can have and going to Eden. They don't get all of the statues and have to do the whole process again until they have enough to make it to the end. All while the statues reset every week.

[nimble ingot]

we wake up already wearing them.

As far as I know, there isn't a definitive (clear) answer.
A popular theory is that masks are related to the wearer's profession (career/job).
Warriors naturally wear helmets, priests have head dressings, actors have decorative masks etc.

Season of Passage has a glimpse at ancestors getting their masks with the guide being a mask maker.
Another small example would be the skater girl wearing a standard mask at the start, and wearing a phoenix-like mask in the skating event.

[nimble ingot]

Furthermore, skykids can change their masks when they earned one.

It may suggest that skykids either are able to change their fate in their mask, change their identity/status (namely be more like a warrior), or seeing they (our skykids in the present/future) arrived after the ancestors had fallen are therefore may not necessarily be following the tradition. Making the masks more of a cosmetic thing for the skykids.
I personally am not certain about the last suggestion.

Masks are simply put part of the wearer's identity. And perhaps important to the ancestor's afterlife (hypothetically, as based on real life cultures who use masks for the deceased).

as for the elder masks.
I like to think the ancestors thought having part of the design of the elder's masks lend them some blessing or power of the elders.

Which somewhat applies to the skykids who earned a mask from a certain elder. One that have some benefits in the game.
Especially seeing how these special masks are not physical and are seen as a mark the elder blesses/ the skykids with.
Almost like a magical glyph of warding (protection). Albeit a fragile one your skykid needs to restore with a new blessing by the relevant elder.

[lucid bridge]

I love the shield masks. I like the enforced ritual that you must visit the elder’s shrine to be blessed again

[native galleon]

I particularly like the Forest one because when you do, it looks like you’re in trouble:

“What did you do”
“…got krilled on purpose for a meme”

And then they literally fix it for you

[nimble ingot]

lol everytime one breaks.

Skykids be sheepishly asking the elder to fix it.
While the elders dead pan be like, "you only show your face when you need something, don't you?"

[sharp lichen]

If only they had unique cutscenes for repairing the masks

[native galleon]

literally lol, i think for 100+ AC it’s only fair

[nimble ingot]

Forest elder be whamming the hammer on skykids heads /j

[hushed steeple]

(going for a mask fix for the very first time)

Child: So you see, thats why I was hoping you can fix my mask, since your the best craftsman in the world and all😅
Teth: I wish everyone would be more carefull and stop bothering me every 10 minutes.😑 But since your already here ( summans giant hammer from the sky)
Child: What is that thing 😱
Teth: The hammer of healing. DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE!😡
(SLAAAMMM!!!!!).....(shild up ping)
Teth: All is better now☺️
Child; Thank you my elder😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[reef fulcrum]

So glad I'm pulling out all the stops to buy Teth's Mask first.

[native galleon]

i like this bc it’s kinda implying that the kid has gone to eden and through the realms countless times, collected enough ac to buy the forest elder mask, and yet was still somehow completely unaware of the giant hammer that has been in their cutscene the whole time /lh

[reef fulcrum]

So, I've got a Question about masks...
The Eyes glow, right? Like... When you wear the "Maskless" option, your own eyes don't glow by themselves, right? So... When you take the mask off, do you suppose it continues to glow? Or do the eyes "go out" if the mask isn't being worn by a Sky Child?

[native galleon]

Your eyes are closed when you aren’t wearing a mask, I’d assume they do glow though

[reef fulcrum]

This seems... Contradictory? Are you saying that our eyes glow by themselves, but the masks also glow independently?

[native galleon]

No, I mean your eyes would glow if they were open, which they’re not. I don’t know if the masks do or not but I’m guessing not

[reef fulcrum]

Like, I can easily accept "our eyes are closed, but we can still see for other reasons" - ah, ok thnx

Hmmm... Cackling Cannoneer? Doesn't their mask have only one eye?

[nimble ingot]

Skykids (in the game) close their eyes.
Players have for a long time went back and forth about skykids being blind, purposefully closing their eyes, the eyes do glow but the game does not show it, and so on.

I go with skykids closing their eyes in the game. Because we dont really have a mask with closed eyes. And assume skykids running around would look odd with their glowing eyes (see any maskless ancestor with glowing diamond eyes as an example.).

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, I really want to think that the masks don't. For some reason I really like the imagery of an empty mask laying on the ground without any Lively glow in the eyes.

[nimble ingot]

perhaps.
There is also the wounded soldier (remembrance), and marching adventurer (assembly)

[reef fulcrum]

YOU'RE RIGHT, why didn't I consider this?
Skids Blink. When wearing masks with open, glowing eyes, you can actually see them blinking.

So... It tells me that glow comes directly from them, not the masks at all, but... That would mean that we deliberately keep one eye closed while wearing certain masks...

For symbolic reasons, I think. Having to do with my reasoning for why Ancestors give us any cosmetics in the first place.

[nimble ingot]

yes. 🙂

The exception to this are any masks with notable animalistic features. Because the eyes on those masks are often in other places where the skykids' eyes are not expected. This is why those masks eyes don't blink.

[marble pasture]

hey, i found out something
the children we saw on the two embers teasers aren't sky kids!
you can see a difference between a in-game sky kid and the children we see there
mostly on their skin, sky kids glow and have a bit of yellow ON THEIR SKIN and they have the chest candle thing
if we take a look at any child/teenager in those teasers, we can see that they don't glow and their skin is more of a grey shade, and they also lack the chest candle
just an observation, hope i could contribute!

[hushed steeple]

There is also the slim possibility that one of the new spirits in the next season is the long haired kid from the trailer, given there similar aperance
So thats potentially a point in favoure

[native galleon]

they do have the chest candle tho? at least in the first animation project trailer

[marble pasture]

i think that they are child ancestors, before all the chaos y'know

[nimble ingot]

They may be skykids, the 'first generation' or ones closer in relation to the ancestors compared to our 'modern' day counterparts.
The teasers dont show this much (which is very interesting for TGC to have us speculate about), but it would be fascinating if these were to be the fallen we see in Eden.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder now🤔
Is it possible that the No Mask and Ascetic Monk maks let you see without useing your eyes. Like thats a special feature and not an inherent ability of sky kids

Just a random thought I got now😅

[marble pasture]

alright hear me out
we can see a corrupted ancestor in the second teaser, so it's actually a possibility that those are the fallen ones in eden
and on another note, the next season spirit guy that looks like the one in the animation, he is a spirit, so probably HE is an ancestor, given they didn't come back like we do after eden
and i don't think the "first generation" thing is the case, but it kinda makes sense

[marble pasture]

one word, "echolocation".
but i think those are just aesthetic things, would be pretty interesting though!

[reef fulcrum]

I used to believe very strongly that Sky Kids were directly descended from the Ancestors, but... Kinda got shot down left and right. It was a theory I've mostly abandoned, but this is coming closely back to it!

[nimble ingot]

hahaha, that is a good question.

Flying blindfolded would leave an impression.
Suppose that skykids can see without their eyes.

Personally, the blindfold makes for a fun gimmick. Lorewise, skykids using a blindfold may be training to sense the light or tapping into this magical force.

[hushed steeple]

As someone who had resurched echolocstion and how creatures move and act when useing it, I can safely say thats not the case😑

Being able to sence energy and have that as a replacement for sight would make way more sence then ecolocation

Infact that might be what the monk was training for

[nimble ingot]

I am sorry it happened.

Lore chat should be a place where folks can share their theories.
Folks can say they agree or disagree with others thoughts. But that should not make a theory invalid.

[reef fulcrum]

No, no, it's not like that.
Good points were made.
It's all very hard to reconcile, (the challenge is part of the fun. Mental gymnastics) but there are things that can't be denied.

[marble pasture]

just pointing it out, have you ever done a deep call in trial of fire to find the next candle path?
it was just a comparison

[nimble ingot]

Commenting on echolocation.

The closest we have to that (albeit in an unorthodox (unusual) situation, lol) is in the fire trial.

There were times where I had to use a call to know where a nearby candle would be. Even though I know the route to the exit, it is not easy to navigate in a pitch black cave.

[marble pasture]

i mean, besides some things, there's a lot of resemblance between them
especially when looking at most "call" ancestors, which are the taller and thinner ones

[hushed steeple]

Yet we could freely move around the enviromant and fly at great distances without ever useing our call

[marble pasture]

it was just a comparison,i didn't say sky kids "need" echolocation

[sharp lichen]

Why would Skykids need eyes to function? You yourself said they could see from all around

[sharp lichen]

But when most of our light is taken away, we use it as a last resort

[hushed steeple]

Theres something I think a lot of people get wrong which couses much confusion when it comes to echolocation

And that is
BATS ARE NOT BLIND

They CAN see, and they use sight a lot. Its not good sight but its still there.😅
The thing about echolocation is that its only active when your screeming.
If your flighing and relieing on echolocation, your screaming constantly non stop the whole way through ( which is why bats emediatly make that sound when they go pase you.)
Doing that is however exosting over time, so for all other cases they just use there eyes

If sky kids used echolocation as there primaty sence of sight, they would be honking 24/7

[marble pasture]

i know bats can see
and as i said, sky kids do have some kind of echolocation, but they can see as well
i never said they are blind or anything

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, this was not aimed at you.
I've just had so many conversations with people who keep insisting that skykids dont see and just use echolocation, so I guess I got trugered there😅

Echolocation is A ability skykids have, but its not what they relly on to get around most of the time.

[reef fulcrum]

I was working my way back to it...
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
I get sidetracked easily.

[hushed steeple]

I have the same issue with people who keep insisting on touch as the primary sence too😅

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, that was the whole reason I didn't really get on this topic...
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Because I really strongly believe it IS an inherent ability.

[marble pasture]

oh, it's okay, sorry if i got aggressive too
and as i said earlier, i think the closed eyes and blindfold are just aesthetic things, like how you can't hit a krill back with the horns in some masks
they do have some echolocation, but they can also see

[sharp lichen]

Maybe it’s inherent for Skykids, but ancestors gave up their light powers for more human parts, which includes normal eyes

[hushed steeple]

Well, inherent might not be the right word
What I really ment was "defoult"
Energy sencing is probably something that we all have to a limited extend, but it takes special training and mastery over light to see real use of it

[reef fulcrum]

This is an interesting observation... "Gave up" confuses me a little bit, and it plays back into the "direct descendents" angle, but I don't know how to put it yet.

[sharp lichen]

“Gave up” in the sense of abandoned it.

I think that as the Ancestor Spirits abandoned The Light (capitalized) in order to pursue their own technology, they also became less in-tune and biologically connected with The Light as well

[reef fulcrum]

"Energy" is an abstract metric.
You'll need to define it more clearly for me to know what you mean; because Albert Einstein kindof did already...

[sharp lichen]

Zero Clockwise when “energy” walks in viksa probably meant light

[hushed steeple]

Energy as in Light (capital L)
As in the energy that exists and conects all living things, and flows throughout the world
Such a sence would even be usefull for detecting darkness, as the total voind vould stick out as something to avoid

[reef fulcrum]

Like "Spiritual Energy" But not like... Photons
Like "The Light (capitalized)" not like light light.

But like; the invisible, immeasurable force which causes Life to be alive. Which we humans currently, by all of our science and understanding; cannot detect or prove infallibly.

That kind of Energy?

[hushed steeple]

Precisely☺️
This is why I like to make distinction between light and Light

( although I dont usually stick to it when not discusing this kind of topic😅)

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, that's really inspiring stuff.
I think that's why it's hard for me to put into words sometimes, and maybe I have too much of a personal attachment to Albert Einstein, lmlo!

[hushed steeple]

I understand☺️

Its why its usefull to be clear what the tearms you use mean in context to the world of sky

[reef fulcrum]

This is one of my favorite posts today.

Firstly because you're talking about using observational science, which is one of my favorite ways to make deductions in this game. (I.E. if you observe sky kids moving; they do not move similarly to creatures with echolocation)

And secondly, in a roundabout way, you answered some of what I didn't know about the Ascetic Monk.

[hushed steeple]

Honestly this is how theory's should work.
1 You have a hypothesis ( an idea about something)
2 You make observations and test if your idea is true or not
3 You change or adapt your idea based on those observations until you reach something that makes sence

I feel that some people makeing theorys for fun tend to hyperfixate on an idea they find really interesting and then focus only on the things that could make it true, insted of traing to find out IF Its true

(I blame game theory lol🤣🤣🤣)

[nimble ingot]

The lorechat is a public forum, where people can share their theories and thoughts, regardless of their background or qualifications.

Pardon for sounding so formal on here, lol.
Speaking as an artist who studied art history, there is a fair amount of research and some philosophy to be discussed and disected in Sky.
However, in the lorechat, people are free to give their input regardless of research, credibility or evidence to support their theory.

Simply put, it is up to folks' interpretation of the lore in Sky, and taking the theories posted here with a grain of salt given the context and what to believe.

[pastel brook]

Hey @nimble ingot, did you get enough sneep snorp today?

[nimble ingot]

uhhhhhhh.... maybe??? 💦

[sharp lichen]

Ignore the foolish bot

[icy flicker]

HAHAH wdym ignore it that was hilarious

[modern talon]

You know, I’m noticing that it seems like the people of sky had a lot of coming of age and right of passage types of practices

Take the cave of prophecies for example. The trials spirits (excluding the instructors) seem relatively young. Like, late term to early adulthood.

That paired with the fact that not every spirit has a cape, I think these “rituals” or practices had more than just a cultural purpose, and actually helped the people of sky harness light energy to fly

[lucid bridge]

Does the presence of flame in lanterns and on candle wicks implicate the presence of hydrocarbons?

[lucid bridge]

What is this thing

[hushed steeple]

Again, sorry for blowing up like that😅
This is more me venting in general😅

Also, my rent had nothing to do with background or qualifications.
Its more about how we reason things

[nimble ingot]

No worries, you are more than welcome to ping me in the lorechat.

[nimble ingot]

Looks like a lantern with the 'light' part of the asset left in.

An orb that is supposed to give light similar to the Orb of Light prop from playfight herbalist as an example.

[whole ice]

why are all the elders stuck in a grave ;-;

[nimble ingot]

Funny enough, these are called alters in the game.
The game also mentions in the introduction for Spirit Gates that the elders fell (passed away, dead).

I recall in the past in lorechat that the elders are supposedly not in their temples.
Thus implying that:
1 - We dont meet them in the actual temple we went meditate in.
2 - Their bodies may not be in these temples and the alters could, as a hypothesis (theory without proof), possibly be used to call to them at first, but since they fell became memorial shrines. 😦

[pastel brook]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[nimble ingot]

Oh hush.
I did get sleep.

I'd talk about lore before I take my morning coffee (no joke).

[whole ice]

Oh so that means all the elders passed away?

[nimble ingot]

Quite possibly.
In an older version of the Dawn Introduction murals, it mentions the ancestors had fallen.

Not to mention the skykid statues in Eden are called the Fallen.

Saying someone had fallen is a euphemism (nicer way) to say someone died.

[visual badger]

can someone guide me? is there any message/article where I can read about skykids? who are elders? why do we skykids do what we do?
like the origin story

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This may help get you started.

[sharp lichen]

Me and that bot have a… storied relationship

[sharp lichen]

This document is much better (sorry Raider, but I do think the one you linked to is a bit outdated)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[visual badger]

I see..
I read the document raider sent here, it was more of fanon kinda thing, like there are few canon things rest we leave up on you to think, it was infact interesting ngl

I will read this too! and tell you about it

tq

[soft timber]

appears I heard Skykids, echolocation, and bats so I came

[rapid latch]

hyped for aviary

[soft timber]

I feel like echolocation for Skykids are more like humans using our hands, both beings can see pretty well with sight (not so sure if Skids use eyes the same way we do, but we both use sight in some way) but the added extra sensory helps as well and in some cases act like an extra pair of "eyes"

This is especially true for blind people and people working in low light conditions, and the same can be applied to Skids

Not saying that every person or Skid does this, but there is a correlation between being in a low light area and using extra sensors

[modern talon]

It would both make sense if sky kids had more light sensitive eyes OR had poor eyesight.

Actually, I wonder if skykids have thermal vision

[drifting heath]

If there was a season where we got a telescope to watch shooting stars would we just be watching skykids being born/reborn

[hushed steeple]

well, kinda

[soft timber]

Season of Direction when??/jkjk but that would be such a good context

[icy flicker]

It's non related in reality, but I love how this beach theme is a common thing between Sky and Death Stranding but with opposite meanings :))

[hushed steeple]

If something like that happened, I get the fealing it would probably be a Voult season

[drifting heath]

Yea probs in starlight desert or smth

[hushed steeple]

Precisely, eather an new area like we had with the season of dreams in Valley, or an entirely new passage way that leads you to a distant location

[soft timber]

It seems that whenever a game present us with a beach/beach-like area, it is often either a symbol of rebirth/birth/new life, new hope, and new spark or a symbol of death/decay/end of something, the final frontier, and the end of Journey I know I know, gotta reference a TGC game here

[hushed steeple]

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, sand to send😂

[soft timber]

Clay to clay, light to light

[hushed steeple]

precisely

[soft timber]

[sharp lichen]

“So where to begin? Ah yes,let us start with a commonly used trope that conveniently affords game developers with a means to orientate new players. Because it should never be assumed that a player is by default familiar with the basics of the game that they are playing. Hence many MMOs need a simple plot device at the start of a game that can justify or accommodate the need to explain everything. And one of the most common of these is the “shipwreck” trope. It covers all bases from a narrative perspective and is convenient. The new player finds themselves washed up on the beach, which is often a starter area and then has to go through some basic tasks that orientate them.”

Obviously, Sky somewhat deviates from the trope, but I think the “beach opening” is so common because it presents the player with a linear way to go. Behind you is ocean, so you have no choice but to go forward

[soft timber]

Yep! Simple game design and a simple plot device is all you basically need in order to justify starting on a beach

[hushed steeple]

Endeed
This is one of the biggest reason why the original Aviary and Isle of down map were changed/removed in the official lounch of the game, as the dev's wanted the first experiance to be intuative, streight forward and easy to understand, without relaying on long tutorial text and and holding. You got a few criptic in universe calls that sets you on your quest and and a few hints in the enviromant , but otherwise your left on your own to figure out things and have your own personal experiance

[earnest briar]

They’ve fallen and they can’t get up. 😔

[honest rampart]

I just thought about this
You know tlps scene where the spirit is drinking dark water bc he wants to forget he drinks dark water. Obviously that means dark water is a type of alcahol right?
So does that mean that all of golden wasteland is like a winery or alcahol maker?

[sharp lichen]

You know what else is an alcohol? Ethanol

[hushed steeple]

I mean, dark water was probably just used because in the Little Prince book, the character they are based off of is drinking alcohol, and that's a no-no for an all-ages game

[visual badger]

so I read this, and one thing I figured out is there are many things still unknown and left upto you to imagine

[whole ice]

why is golden wasteland like that though, like there is hundreds of krills and it is basically a wasteland,, but what happened to it?

did the gw elder pass away much more earlier than the other elders??

[gusty lintel]

My guess is that there was a huge war and the area was left completely ruined so the Krills decided to move in

[versed mirage]

Not sure, but it does imply that they did fight them off, which no clue how futile that effort was

[hushed steeple]

Alternativly, there is a theory that krill are born from dead light creatures infused with darkness.
When you look at all the places where krill patrole in Waistland

• Ruins of the factory (place where mantas were sacreficed)
• Boneyard ( mass deaths of sky megafauna like whales
• Shipyard ( all men lost and the light cargo corupted
• Battlefild ( countlass casualties)
  There all places of death, and light energy being spilled and corupted (weather through the process of crystal bakeing, battle or falling into dark polution)

All that lost and corupted light fused together, and adding in the psycic resonance of fear, desperation, and hatred, all come together to give rise to the krill

Admitidly this theory might need a lot more work and tweeks😅 , but I strongly belive that the war, deaths, polution and negative emotions eather coused or mainly contributed to the birth of the krill

[lavish wind]

I kinda wanna talk about my hc skykid inner biology

[hushed steeple]

Shure, go ahead

[nimble ingot]

October 2023 Steam Next Fest Sky PC Demo : Concept art shared.

[hushed steeple]

OMG thanks so much for posting these👀

A few of these I do recognise, but there are some fascinating new peaces here

you dont happen to have a link to the 2023 Steam Next Fest Sky PC Demo, or is that unavailable now

[nimble ingot]

(Not sure if this was pinned. If not, I think it would be cool if it was)

Art of Sky by Tanabe Yuichiro

GDC Vault page: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1026903/Art-of-Sky-Children-of
Pdf Only: https://ubm-twvideo01.s3.amazonaws.com/o1/vault/gdcsummer2020/presentations/Tanabe-Yuichiro-Art of Sky_ Children of the Light.pdf

[nimble ingot]

I was able to watch along on steam. But sadly was not able to see the stream in full (from the start)
I dont think Steam saves the lives stream 😦

[hushed steeple]

Thats ok, This was preaty awsome anyway☺️
The timezone made it kinda inposible for me to watch any of it, so was hoping that maby it was saved somewhere

[sharp lichen]

Yes, that is true. However, we can still find things not directly confirmed. If you have any questions about Sky lore again, please ask

[sharp lichen]

Probably a combination of massive pollution, deforestation, and a massive war (as seen in The Seed quest)

The krills are just there for the cherry on top

[lavish wind]

Also, they sacrificed mantas at the factory in Wasteland?

[hushed steeple]

Not just in waistland.
Makeing crystals takes a large amount of light.

Back when Forest first become the induatrial center of the Sky kingdom, Priery world traid them light that they harvested, and that was combined with the darkstone that was mined from Forest to create the cryatlas

( there's a lot of murals in forest that hint at this )

Over time however, as the kingdom grew larger and more prosperous, this method just wasnt enough go maintain the growing prosperety, and things advanced

The final widly used version of the crystal factory was equiped to also be able to extracting the light from light creatures directly, and deaposing of there bones afterwords

Opening the final dore in the forest temple releases mantas from the locked dores to the side
And in older concept art...this was mere explicitly shown as cages

[drifting heath]

Ok can someone explain the whole sky lore to me in DMS I'd love to see it ngl

[hushed steeple]

DMS?
Ngl?

[drifting heath]

Direct messages

[nimble ingot]

There was an old concept art that suggest at ancestors using light creatures to power/forge diamonds.
The drawings had mantas and jars, which presumably contained butterflies.
The darkness left over from that process were likely the waste that could have polluted the waters.

By polluting the waters, the ancestors may have disrupted/corrupted/polluted the life cycle of light creatures (mostly fish and mantas) as seen in season of sanctuary.

It is uncertain whether this was exactly what happened in the current game's lore.
Although there is evidence that hints at this with the forest temple trapping mantas, the mechanism above the altar resembles that of the concept art, and in Wasteland there is a similar machine/building with plenty of waste and darkwater in the area.

[nimble ingot]

DMS (Direct messages)
NGL (Not Gonna Lie)

[hushed steeple]

👍

[hushed steeple]

Precisely

And dont forget the Mantas in Abyss.
That whole facility seamed to be in the proces of developing the next generation of crystal production and sky tech

Of course this was near the End of the crystal era, and with the facility colapsing and the war in progress, we dont really see those discoveries being practicly used for the other realms

[eager siren]

Um... What if the Golden Wasteland is a fortress that is created to protect the Vault? If we take Sky: light awaits, when we go to the meeting with the elder of the golden wasteland, he opens the entrance to the temple, which is the Vault. In the current location (wasteland) the ruins that are there are the remains of small settlements and the fortress itself is half destroyed

[nimble ingot]

That is possible seeing that wasteland's temple is just outside the doors to Vault.
It is a realm with the closest transition distance to the next realm.

[lavish wind]

Dark. So the ancestors were horrible people, go fig. Well, most. Maybe not the Seasonal Spirits.

Maybe not the regular spirits.

Who knows? We never truly knew these spirits in life nor who they were. We can only speculate given what stuff we're given and visual storytellin, and the murky canon that is the concept art.

[hushed steeple]

That is true, although I think it might be less about protecting Voult speficily as it is protecting the path towards Edan and the capital of the sky kingdom.

Controling the path trough Voult is deffinetly a golden stratigic advantage, as its a direct elevator to the enterence of the edan realm.

Though I gotta imagine there were probably paths that run up the mountain and toward the peak (voult seames preaty advanced so the express elevator to eden probably wasnt a thing for most of its hiatory), and controling the castle would have given you acces to that too (without the fear of being atacked along the way that is)

[cold sparrow]

horrible people, as much as all of humanity is horrible people for how we feed our population and produce our energy
there is nuance to it. not everyone is involved, not everyone has influence over these issues, not everyone may know the gritty details, and those that do may consider it a necessary evil to provide their people with much needed tools, energy, comfort and protection

[lavish wind]

ok gonna stop ya there. sayin all of humanity is bad is inherently incorrect. plenty of peoples lived in harmony with nature for centuries before colonialism. but yes, humanity in parts are cruel and ignorant.

[cold sparrow]

exactly that is my point
"ancestors were horrible people" is no more and no less true than "humans are horrible people"

[lavish wind]

"as much as all of humanity is horrible people" eh it was jus the way ya worded it. my apologies. /gen

[nimble ingot]

Not all ancestors were villains/bad, neither were all of them heroes/good.

However, there is a good chance that there were terrible decision made, as well as good ones by ancestors.

It is similiar to humanity being a force that shaped the world. Whether it was for the best, or worst, is a hefty and mixed debate.

Back to Sky though, I like to think the game takes inspiration from Miyazaki's philosophy in Ghibli films.
Most of the characters did not completely fit the stereotypes of the hero (protagonist) or villain (antagonist).

Taking the wicked witch from Howl's moving castle, she may be evil for cursing Sophie. And yet Sophie helped the witch after she lost her powers.
Or the (spoiler for Princess Mononoke) ||the headless deer god|| may have been deadly and menacing monster. But not without good reason.

[lavish wind]

I agree

[grim horizon]

Hi is thoughtful director the sibling of rhythm and perf

[nimble ingot]

Not sure.
You are welcome to explore that as a headcanon/fanon.

It is very likely that the guides for season of Rhythm and Performance to be related (twins).

[visual badger]

oh okay so here are some questions,

1. what are shards memories? what are elders fighting in elder shard memory?
2. why do we get reborn? does elders help us getting reborn?
3. how were krills made? does they have any leader? like we have elders and king?

[lucid bridge]

What do you guys think this ominous thing in eden is (+ some crystals)

[lucid bridge]

For #2, the source of Light (also called the megabird) is what let’s us be reincarnated. All light is connected once it enters the source. We can then fall back down to the planet and be reborn. The elders wanted to return to the light but were unable to for whatever reason. Same with the spirits we free during the game.

[hushed steeple]

this is just a theory but the big dark creature in abyss may be some sort of leader

[hushed steeple]

Not really
He's just the biggest dark creature out there.
A jumbo krill, like the whale thing in sanctuary is a jumbo manta

At most you could say it is (or was) the leader of the abyss krill, but thats just becouse of alpha wolf rules ( the biggest strongest wolf in the bunch ends up as alpha)

[hushed steeple]

1 Shard memories seame to be the last moments right before the edan diamond went nuclear ( and posibly right after it).

Everything you see in the memory's are the creatures who were consumed by the first ( and by far biggest), or in the case of the krill, posibly given birth to them🤔

The explosion was so quick and sudden, it seames to have created some kind of psychic photograph within the diamond itsels, the moment frozen in time in the void world, which you can enter for breath moments through the shards

-Also, I dont think the Elders are fighting anything.
They were traing to stop the diamond from detonating, but failed and then got knocked back by the blast

[lavish wind]

i lovinly call the Abyss leviathan the kriller whale

[hushed steeple]

Or the Alpha Krill😅

[lavish wind]

i hc that that was what killed the elders. the power diamond corruptin and dischargin.

[nimble ingot]

That is a cool fanon idea.

[lavish wind]

I mean, ig. It's kinda bottom of the barrel

On a related note, it's really sad seein the spirits of children and adolescents. I think the first really young ancestor spirit we ever saw were Confetti Cousin, Hairtousle Teen, and Boogie Kid. Maybe Hide-and-Seek Pioneer?

Confident Sightseer's Kid

Those bein base-game and one of the first Seasons.

[nimble ingot]

Hide and sneak is an interesting case tbh.

The spirit appeared as an adult at first while wearing the chibi mask. It does present an interesting argument how a mask can change the wearer's appearance like that. Whether the mask makes the wearer actually younger is one thing, or simply makes them appear younger is another.

I believe that the spirit's current appearance is what the spirit looks like while wearing the mask, and if they were to remove it, they would appear as the older model that is an adult.

I wonder though if there may be a lore reason why the spirit needed a mask like this.
Perhaps to blend in with the children? But why?

• Spy on the children (see what they are up to, or help keep them safe while pretending to be a child).
• Sneak into places where children have a better chance of getting in than an adult.
• Hide their identity (It is harder to track down a rebel who is an adult if they were looking for a child. Or vice versa).

It would be fun to see if there were a rebel group in Sky.
And more so if spirits like the ushering stargazer, butterfly catcher, hide and sneak, cheering spectator, sneaky survivor and praying acolyte were members of this underground group (note this is a fanon joke theory.)

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats a interesting fanon idea😍

[nimble ingot]

your skykid be minding their own business in forest and they accidently slip down a hole that was covered in leaves.
They drop into a tunnel and interrupt a meeting with the spirits.

The look at each other and then at you.....

What would happen next?

[hushed steeple]

I supoase there's no point in pretending, now that he already sow us

( one of the spirits lights a lantern, and behind you see more spirits and secret murals)

[lavish wind]

But all the youth as a whole...?

Hide-and-Seek Pioneer(?)

Confident Sightseer's Child

Confetti Cousin

Boogie Kid

Hairtousle Teen

The Little Prince(?)

Pleading Child

Overactive Overachiever

Oddball Outcast

Tumbling Troublemaker

Melancholy Mope

And possibly the Revival Guide.

[hushed steeple]

Little prince is not an ancester

I guess in universe his technicly an alian

[lavish wind]

Also, personally? I feel like perhaps Hide-and-Seek's mask may embody their youth. Maybe they perished as a child and act as a sorta spirtual playmate for skykids?

Because the chibi mask only really makes you, well, chibi. As in, in style. I feel like the spell it's based on describin it to be a "baby" is a misnomer.

[hushed steeple]

I think that makes more sence

[lavish wind]

But anyway, it is disheartenin that kids and teens perished in the downfall. But eh, apocalypses happen.

[hushed steeple]

It cant be helped

[nimble ingot]

correct.

I'd say a guest, or visitor.
Though alien in the sense of an entity/creature from another planet (or asteroid in this case) works as well.

[hushed steeple]

Corect
Alian in the more old time fairytail sence, where there were just people, strage but basicly like you and me, who lived on other worlds

[nimble ingot]

There have been plenty of people who died at various ages, and for various reasons.

Not saying there would be a such a spirit in Sky ever (not even in lore), but a baby who passed away simply because of Sudden infant death syndrome sadly happens.

[hushed steeple]

Also, speaking of spirits, children and the apocalips, I did have a though that poped in my mind recently

[lavish wind]

Also, I have a stupid hc that all the Lightseekers have dark pasts originally.

Like, I hc Doublefive Light Catcher was actually under the Wasteland Elder's (Tsadi) legion of soldiers. But he either defected or was one of the only survivors in that war that supposedly happened at Wasteland over... somethin. So, he sought out a new purpose in life, and became under the charge of the Lightseeker Guide, and became attuned in the metaphysical arts, such as sensing light and manipulating it. The Lightseekers seem to be mystics or mages of sorts, since we've seen them cast spells during Days of Bloom. They may be a spiritual group of sorts, maybe. Or performers. They definitely have a connection with Light. It's curious they also have color-coded balls of light associated with them, such as the Green light for Doublefive (I call him Perci.)

[hushed steeple]

How long do you think the ancesters would have held out after the detonation of the Diamond and the fall of edan before they all faded

[lavish wind]

Depends. I assume there was an immediate impact to civilization as their main power source became corrupted and unusable. Not to mention food scarcity, communication becoming harder to do between realms, and other such infrastructure and technology that relied on harvesting Light.

[hushed steeple]

Im just imagening the post apocaliptic world of sky, how much it affected the diffent realms and regions and how these ancesters, the very few who would have survived the initial detonation, spread of darkness and shatering and ecological devestation, whould have lived there lifes

[hushed steeple]

Exactly my though
I think these some interesting story's one can make set in that period

For me I really like to think that the Abyss ancesters lived through it made a new life for themselfs

[nimble ingot]

the abyss crew would likely have been living in the apocalyptic days in Sky

[hushed steeple]

My point exactly☺️
They would make fantastic point of view caracters for a story set in the early period of the "Era of Darkness"

[lavish wind]

Lightseekers may have been survivors till a certain point.

[hushed steeple]

Im guessing Waistland as a whole preaty much dead early on, save maby a very few straglers who were survivers of the war and now live in fear of the krill

But the cost and the islands were probably less heavely affected, so the abyss crew would have jumped from island to island, trading between survivers and selling things they scavinge

[lavish wind]

Mayhaps their mastery over light magic/power were able to stave off the corruption for a time. I can definitely them bein a beacon in the post-apocalypse for hope, and survivors flocked to them to see their light shows and mayhaps even learn their arts.

I think I like the Lightseekers too much

[hushed steeple]

Thats in interesting idea🤔
I like it☺️

[lavish wind]

Also, I hc that Doublefive's aversion to crabs may stem from trauma from the Wasteland War rather than a innocent phobia. I remember seein some concept art of monstrous Dark Crabs that definitely could've posed seriously threats on the ground.

[hushed steeple]

Another great example☺️
Keep it comeing

Isle become a desert, and there wasnt all that much permanent residence there, so they probably just faded away over time

[lavish wind]

They may have died young for one or more reasons, the Lightseekers.

[hushed steeple]

Priery would have been partly dark, but not too much

Although with the cycle of light permanently on hold for now, and light being in limited suply, they probably would not have just got back to there old lifes 😅

[lavish wind]

Also, how are Skykids descended from Ancestors if they seem to be birthed from the Megabird and starlight itself?

[hushed steeple]

That might be more a metaphore, as we are there sucessors

[hushed steeple]

Although speaking of which, there is no information to speak of when it comes to how ancester family's and reproduction works ( although we see many exames of ancester children with canonical parents)

[lavish wind]

I mean... they may jus be like us. Placental.

They're humanoid, and thus potentially mammalian in that regard.

[hushed steeple]

Posibly
I do have a crazy theory ( though more a fanon really)

It might be possibel that the children of the ancesters do have some kind of conection to Megabird

[lavish wind]

ancestor kids?

[hushed steeple]

As in, the soul of the child is also starlight, but there is a special process ( ancester version of you know what) that lets it materialise next to them

[lavish wind]

mmmm.

[hushed steeple]

Or the "process" in a way forms a link with Megabird, that summans light from the heavens to come to them, and that light which mingels with the light of the parents forms the soul of the child

Like I said, it crazy fanon, an Im still working out the bugs😅

[lavish wind]

Ancestors did not possess Light. They only became connected upon death when their souls departed from the mortal coil.

[hushed steeple]

Yes they did😅

[lavish wind]

Only Skykids and other Light Creatures have innate Light.

I meant Ancestors don't have Light properties naturally. They only wielded it by siphonin it from captured light creatures.

[hushed steeple]

There souls were light ( starlight), and there bodies were charchole.
It said so in the intro and concept art

[lavish wind]

Source?

[hushed steeple]

I dont have the concept art on me, but you can trust me right.
Im good for it☺️

[lavish wind]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[lavish wind]

I thought this was in regards to skykids.

[hushed steeple]

Not at all
This is the history of the ancesters
They talk about building the kingdoms and falling to darkness later

And though the whole "given birth by starlight" thing is a bit veague, in the original intro that played when I instaled the game at androind lounch, the first ancesters were shown as stars comeing to earth, just as the skykids are now

[nimble ingot]

To the random user asking.

Yes, you can with trading ascended candles with spirits for wing buffs.
I assume you moved to #questions-and-help.

[hushed steeple]

Hey, @nimble ingot, back me up here.
Ancesters do have inner light right (as in soul made of light)?

[nimble ingot]

I'd say Ancestor Spirits, yes. As we have not seen a living ancestor, sadly.
Even in the animation teaser, it is hard to say (except for the child seen with a chest light like that of skykids).

I recall a user I used to know who made a nice theory about ancestors and their light. Let me get the link.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This one.
They have good theories. Sadly, it has been a while since they were last active here.

[hushed steeple]

Thanks☺️
Let me check

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats a cute headcannon😍

[visual badger]

oh interesting
now what is a eden diamond exactly? does it have relations with megabird? or potential source of light

[hushed steeple]

Its the biggest, most advanced, most powerfull crystal construct ever made
Creating it required the absolute culmination of all the knowlige and skill the ancesters posessed

[visual badger]

where is abyss? which krill are we talking about? I haven't completed the guide quests in GW btw

[visual badger]

do we know by whom was it created and why?
is it the same diamond we see in the eye of eden?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, Im refearing do the same thing
The giant red diamond we are teaveling to in the eye of the storm

[sharp lichen]

I have thought about this for a while, and I think Ancestor Spirits were worse morally than humans. Humans had a chaotic, ancient origin, with millions of cultural differences forming. Many have died over eternal questions about our origin and our purpose.

Meanwhile, it’s likely that the entirety of Ancestor Spirit civilization only lasted a few hundred years at most. They were relatively united (much more than us), had a clear origin (The Light), and willingly chose to abandon it.

Although I am not saying that every spirit is a horrible person, it is still not a perfect analogy to compare them to humans.

[nimble ingot]

It is speculated that it may have been the elders.
Based on the cutscene with the forest elder forging a diamond, and even the vault elder holding one.

(Fun fact, the forest elder used to hold a diamond in Orbit, that in which they would be assembling in their cutscene. This was an old animation that partially still exists in the game today. When you trigger the forest elder's scene in orbit. Quickly skip the cut scene and run away from the elder, towards the start where you arrive. Keep to your left of the path as you run and you will find the diamond floating in the air there. The animation still plays out, but the diamond itself was moved away.)

It is also possible that ancestors could have made these diamonds, but the large one in Eden would have been a daunting task to say the least.

[visual badger]

oh okay okay
I see

[sharp lichen]

I have a massive video about the Season of Shattering here: #promote-your-sky-content message

But in short, the shard memories are the broken off remains of the Eden Diamond (which we see in PNR), and contain the spirit of a light creature. It’s likely the elders were fighting this very diamond, or at least trying to contain it.

2. Elders do help us, if indirectly. Our purpose of getting reborn is a difficult one- it is akin to asking the meaning of our existence. I have many theories about it, one of them being to reinforce our connection with The Light. I also think the Ancestor Spirits could also get reborn, but they purposely refused to later on.

3. We know krills are corrupted, but we don’t know exactly how.

[cold sparrow]

I'm not too sure I subscribe to that. First of all, the path from medieval peasants and nomadic cultures to industrialization only took us humans a couple centuries too. I can easily imagine that the ancestors lived for millenia before darkstone technology.

And 'they chose to abandon the light' also confuses me. In what way? And that wasn't a conscious decision that every ancestor made, is it? That doesn't make Ancestors as a whole worse morally than, say, humans where a few billionaires decide to lobby for capitalism and exploit every resource on earth.

[sharp lichen]

Always love to use this quote

[hushed steeple]

The "who" is eather the elders or the king of the old kingdom, ar at least he comisioned the construction
The "why" on the other hand is a bit fuzzy on the detales, especially with all the lore changes, but it has to with power and control

[visual badger]

I will watch it thank you :)

[cold sparrow]

Is a human a bad person because they use TVs or battery-powered toys for entertainment, knowing very well that the coal that is powering their technology is draining the earth and destroying the life and habitat of many animals and humans?

Is an ancestor bad because some other ancestor thought that they could improve life for all their peers with this wonderful new technology?

[sharp lichen]

What I’m saying is that for the vast majority of history, we humans have had very little information on the nature of our existence, or our purpose in life.

Yet the Ancestors probably did. They were originally connected to the stars like the Skykids, yet they still decided to move away from it by killing their own kind.

And like I said before, it is not the fault of a singular person. The Ancestor society was likely a highly collectivist one, in which decisions were made for and by Ancestors.

This is as rooted in real world philosophy as Sky lore, so I don’t expect this discussion to end here.

[cold sparrow]

I don't know if I subscribe to that either. I don't know if all of the ancestors really knew what the cycle of life and light is like. It's not like The Light sent them down with a manual on everything either.
And for comparison, humans for ages had similar values to guide them - religions that tell them awful things will send them to hell has never reliably stopped people from doing terrible things. Sometimes people even do terrible things in the name of said religions, even if their actions directly contradict what said religion says.

If an ancestor or even an elder thinks their purpose in this world is to guide and protect their people, they can easily do grave mistakes believing to be doing good. Because after all, isn't protecting their people the purpose that The Light gave them?

[sharp lichen]

I can see that, especially because the game very clearly shows a metaphorical link between the Ancestor’s demise and our own

[cold sparrow]

Like, my point is not to take a moral stand and give ancestors (or humans, for that matter) moral absolution. All I'm saying is that ancestors and the kingdom of sky is very much meant to be an allegory for humans, and things like 'how did we get there' and who is at fault for what is much more complicated than just calling an entire people 'horrible'.

[lavish wind]

I have a similar theory!

My idea is that skychildren are mostly hollow inside and filled with hot air and gases to create a bit of bouyancy, powered by their internal flame. Their internal flame is essentially like their organs and allow flight via mantles, cloaks, and capes for propulsion and steering. Their flame is made of starlight and leaves off motes of "embers and sparks" whenever they tap into it for lift to fly or leap and bound. (We do actually see cinders crop up whenever ya have your skykid skip and hop or skid.) Their gem allows for ease of access for transfer of light and heat when in need. If a skykid's flame goes out, they can become sluggish and sickly, in which they "go out" like a fire. Usually a helpful spirit or lit skykid or bonfire can help stoke their flame back up. Winged Light is an extension of their life force and allows them to manipulate energy around them to fly. If their internal Spark, however, is snuffed out, after their Flame is extinguished... the skychild is in risk of dying and becoming a petrified statuette. Their soul is trapped inside unless some starlight (via winged light) can be spared by a living and fired up skychild. Only then, can they ascend and be reborn.

I also like to imagine their hair is sorta like wick-like material but softer and their flesh is like candle wax, and they bleed a sorta liquified light (like molten wax). They're almost like living wax figures, mixed with lantern and candle elements.

[sharp lichen]

My idea is similar, but it involves light instead of fire. Both can work though, and in the Sky universe, they’re probably one and the same

[lavish wind]

I use "fire" in a metaphorical sense. It isn't true fire, but manifestation of starlight exposed to the corporeal plane. Or, in layman's terms, it's what it appears as when brought out.

[native galleon]

I think what Baud means is that the ancestors had more evidence to support their beliefs than humans do for theirs. Like they know what happens after they die, they have divine guidance in their everyday lives, etc.

I still agree with you though, they wouldn’t know everything about how it works, nor would they be making conscious decisions to sabotage the Light.

[sharp lichen]

However, I do think that as people reincarnated less and less and didn’t participate in the cycle of light, the idea of rebirth became a more foreign concept and their perception of death shifted more to our real-world understanding

[cold sparrow]

Do we know that the ancestors knew, though? Like, sure, we skykids go through the process with some memories, and we players have concept art and such that thought us the details, but do we know that this was widespread belief or knowledge among the ancestors?

[native galleon]

Doesn’t the opening cutscene say that they knew they would return to the stars?

[nimble ingot]

agreed 🙂

I would like to point out that winged light helps protect their flame.

Should a skykid get badly hurt, or damaged, they lose their light, then the winged light, and if the worst happens, their flame gets snuffed out.
This would make veteran skykids more resilient/tougher than moths, however this would be based on the amount of winged light they carry.
Their animations also reflect this as when we stumble, a moth would take a bit longer to stand up versus a stronger skykids simply leaping to their feet.

We can see how fragile a skykids can be without their winged light in the trails, as those repress our access to winged light. Whether this is a side effect to reliving the trail as a skykid being forced to run through it as a 'new born' moth/ancestor. Or part of the challenge to overcome the trail; namely a test for a skykid to see if they earned the strength gifted to them (the light).

[lavish wind]

ye

[nimble ingot]

yes, in the current version of the mural in Dawn.

(Mural 1)
"All are given breath by starlight."
"The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars."

[lavish wind]

I also sorta see that overexposure to polluted water and corrupted red shardlight and shards can possibly handicap and/or permanently disable a skykid unless they get their light renewed by Megabird in Orbit.

||Personally, I took that idea and ran with it. My skysona/skykid's first Eden run was wrought with tragedy, more than just seeing fallen skychildren and others dying before their eyes trying to blindly reach the source of the kingdom's corruption. As in, on their final leg, a red shard clashed with them in the back, impaled them and pieces broke off and were absorbed into their gem and internal flame. When they finally petrified and lost all their winged light, there were no other skychildren alive. They had all perished. They were the last to die with this wave. Their soul became corrupted, tainted. They lost the ability to be reborn. If it wasn't for Doublefive Light Catcher (Perci) braving the summit of Eden, and carried them and shielded them up to Orbit, their soul would've withered into nothing. Their Spark was gone. Their Flame was able to be reignited by Starlight, but Tsadi had to break it to Perci that they would remain dead from then on out like ancestor spirits. Perci was beyond bereaved. He was supposed to protect them. He- he didn't save them in time and it cost them their mode of continuance. So... the best he could do was bring them back to Home, though they were scarred and would forever bear the marks, with a blackened gem, he was able to ease their pain with light magic he knew from life, and cast powerful illusions to mask their ghostly visage. They appear and feel like a regular skychild, but beneath the glamour of his spell, they're as starry and almost translucent as any other spirit. They're broken. But... they were salvaged. They became aloof around healthy skykids, only really bonding and stickin to a few close loved ones and other ancestors they bonded with. Perci is usually with them, and tries his best to guide and parent them. It's rare for a corrupted skychild to even still exist as my sona does, as usually their soul crumbles away and fizzles into motes of Light that return to Orbit without a conscious or soul attached. It's simply reclaimed by Megabird to be recycled for new skykids with new souls and bodies and minds. My sona was lucky. They don't know who to blame, or if they even should. It's always a fight to journey to Eden to save petrified skychildren with Perci. The aura they radiate is... strange to other skykids. They're harder to be sensed and to share light with because of how anomalous they are. It's usually a deterrent for other skykids.||

Sorry, I know, dark and goes into oc territory.

[nimble ingot]

This story just gave an idea

(combining this with a plot point in Coco) (Also, fanon theory, with a possibly lore hypothesis)

What if ancestors need skykids to relive their memories, keyword: their memories, so that they can be remembered in death.
Similar to the world of the dead in Mexican culture, where a person remembers the dead through the stories and memories shared of their lives.
Knowing about a person is not enough, it had to be passed down with the memories of the person in life.

For the ancestors in Sky, what if their legacy needs to live on in memories. When the kingdom began to crumble, the memories of the ancestors were dying out faster than the ancestors could help carry it down. Which is where the memory lanterns came in. These would capture the memory and it can be played to a living ancestor to remember them by.
The lantern itself may help, but it could still be needed to be remembered by a living being.
Which is also where skykids come in. They don't age, they learn, and they remember.

They learn and relive the spirit's memories and this allows them to pass on to the after life, and not be forgotten.

Folks, if this somehow becomes true theory in Sky. Imma give credit to the lorechat for that. Because that would be something I dont think I would have come up on my own.

[lavish wind]

neat

I found it very interestin how spirits could decend back into Home and the Realms. We see them in Orbit. They must, in some capacity, be able to traverse the afterlife and livin world, whether for special occasions and calls to action. That's where I got the idea that bonded ancestor-skykid pairs allow for the ancestor to guide them through Orbit and back to Home.

how come Hopeful Steward gets to have fingers and we're stuck with mitten hands /jk

[nimble ingot]

I like it how they stick around after you help ascend them.

i suppose it may be a grey area in tbe lore on why they stay even after being ascended.
But then again, they may have jot passed on just yet. Especially with time in sky being as wacky as that in Wonderland.

[lavish wind]

Strangely, Seasonal Spirits seem to be the exception. They come and go, and aren't permanent residents like, say, the ones in Harmony Hall.

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps the devs have decided that fingers for that guide is more important for their animations.

The game has some limitations.
Hence why not all details such as fingers (and noses or other small details by the game's standards) are not present on every character.
Even though it is to be assumed that they do have them, it is just that the game does not show it.

[lavish wind]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-fingers-hands-sponge-gif-5824953745288091038

[nimble ingot]

(I lowkey wish discord admins let us see gifs normally again. It was not like this back in the day.)

[lavish wind]

The lore behind why skykids have only thumbs

[lavish wind]

/jk

[nimble ingot]

In gaming, it is not that uncommon to see characters with 'mittens' for hands in games looking to save processing power or as a stylistic choice.

Some characters may even have hands with the pointer finger separated for them to point at things.

In Sky, you mostly get mittens and hands with all fingers on various characters.
I can only assume that for skykids being a character we would see the most in the game. And one that would have many animations to them that would expand over time. The devs must have figured that mitten hands would not only make animations a bit simpler, but also lends some flexibility in unique ways.
Mostly where the player may decide what hand gestures their skykids would be doing.

Even though skykids have mittens for hands, which means they have thumbs. I have not seen them actually use them other than to grasp things.
So, their hands for me feel more like a lego claw than a mitten.

We dont even have a 'thumbs up' emote, as far as I am aware of.

The player imagining what their skykids' hands are doing does not end there.

Their faces being blank (mouthless) also leans into this trick for players to have the freedom to decide what their skykid's character is like.
If there were a mouth on a skykid, the expression it may have would have influenced what the skykids' "mood" could be.
A mouthless, neutral face makes it easier for players to connect to their skykids.

[slim mango]

Meanwhile, I can see some cursed fingers from example: modest Dancer, bloom guide, daydream Forester, or dream guide 😅

[lavish wind]

nah not cursed. blursed

also i adore the care that went into includin so many dif body types (i jus wish skykids had those...)

[nimble ingot]

It is true that worker's hands are rough and tough from the work they do.

Day Elder's hands be like polished granite /j 🫙

[slim mango]

Yep 🤔

Aside that, the spirit that did have mittens hands is: example, rhythm guide, forgetful storyteller, night bird whisperer...

[nimble ingot]

and more, lol

[lucid bridge]

I’m just bringing this up again because I’m interested in your ideas on what this huge structure in eden could be and its function

[nimble ingot]

It may be a symbol of the diamonds similar to the ones you see in other places of the game.
This one is the most elaborate one (5 diamonds), the others you'd see often are in Valley.

It may have servers as an emblem.

[lavish wind]

public restroom. /jk

[native galleon]

the enchantment spirits in days of fortune

[hushed steeple]

4 hours later but I don't think someone answered but abyss is to the right at the spawn area where there's a dock to take a boat

[nimble ingot]

ay, speaking of which.

This year's Chinese new year is going to be a DRAGON!!!
That means in Sky. Year of the Bobbit!

[sharp lichen]

OH????????

[native galleon]

No spirits??

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they’re doing the guide first

[slim mango]

Well, no emotes in aviary area, so... Only cosmetics

[floral skiff]

Can you use your call in the final stage of eden to guide you

[rapid latch]

but we do see skykids with full hands in ‘Two Embers’ and Switch trailer.

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I was planing to explain exactly what this was before, but got sidetracked with othet stuff😅😅

The diamond symbol itself is a veriation of an extrimly comman artistic motif present in Forest,Valley,Waistland and Voult (and probably Edan🤔) where vareous crests, sygils,artistic paterns, and designations of institutions whould all be based on some varioatin or combunation of a diamond

There's probably a lot that could be interpreted from each variation and regional version, but thats besides the point😅

as for what this entire building is, well we're already given a clue in one of the first proper murals in the game

The two murals are found in the Isle of down temple, and they show all the main temple's for each realm after it
Notice something familiar about the one thats ment for Voult

Infact the entire final flore seams to be the Voult temple, or at least the equivelent of it

Remember, "temple" in this case is just a shorthand for the "main temple" for each of the realms, and dispite many similareties they all have compleatly different look and function beyond that.
-Central storage place for light jars
-Factory for producing crystald
-Hall of fame and burial ground for acomplushed athleats/artists/performers...
-Militery fortress
.....
This is just the Voult version of it

The final area in Voult before you walk to the gates of Edan IS the building you see at the start of Edan

Really the whole area before you go theogh the Edan gates is kinda like the social area in Forest.
A kind of transitional buffer area between realms, where you can see the backside of the previous realm's temple, while the real enterence to the realm is a bit further away

[visual badger]

will the upcoming sky movie tell about the story/lore??

[hushed steeple]

Actually its a series of 10 episodes, but its around movie lenght
(Directly stated as 150min total runtime)

[hushed steeple]

As for explaining the lore.....
GOD I HOPE SO!!!!🙏🙏

Like I dont think it would explain the whole lore directly, but in showing the would of sky in universe, I hope we could gleam enough to eventually figure it out indirectly

It did say in the interview that there's gonna be naration, so I have to imagine it would explain something😅

[visual badger]

I hope so,

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of the sky series, I think it might be possible that we get a longer trailer and official release date when the Sky PC veraion officially lounches

[visual badger]

well, we don't even know the sky pc release it, can be said safely it's not gonna release anytime soon

[hushed steeple]

Here is the part in the interview

[visual badger]

Ahh okay, still a long time to go

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I know
Im just talking about when the longer trailer might come out

[visual badger]

Trailer are meant to just create hype, you can't understand anything with it

So am looking for the whole series

[hushed steeple]

True😅
But a little apetized cant hurt

Anyway, were gonna wait till spring to see the pilot

[visual badger]

Yep

[plain fern]

Where are all the Adult of the Light do the children even grow up??

[cold sparrow]

For all we know, they do not.

[plain fern]

So they are immortal

[empty needle]

GUYS

[cedar pewter]

Yeah?

[empty needle]

LOOK

[cedar pewter]

Oooo I've seen this reference before! They do look identical

[empty needle]

IKR AND ITS DRIVING ME NUTS
AAAAAAAA

[cedar pewter]

I so hope we can find out more abt it tomorrow
I'm so excited ahhhh

[soft timber]

This was collateral damage to me reading Year of the Bobbit

[native galleon]

“Had to be resourceful and got by on very little”

meanwhile, sometime in the future, a new player is watching the two embers series going “omg revival guide??”

[lucid bridge]

I just realized why the chairs and table are so large in this room - it’s because it is a conference room for the elders to meet and talk. There are 8 chairs (7 elders + king) and one chair is even knocked over - representing the corruption of the king and how he is trapped within eden.

[hushed steeple]

8?
There are only 6 elders + the king

[soft timber]

Good things about Skykids:

• Technically don't need to eat or sleep
• They fly and honk!!!
• Either will pop in where you least expect it, or would honk a lot so you can notice them
• Very helpful
  Cons:
• Can be yeeted
• Krill Food Deluxe™️

[cold sparrow]

There are 6 elder positions, but 7 physical elders

[hushed steeple]

🤣🤣🤣
Goldfish brain

So yeah, the math checks out perfectly
Just got confused for a secund😅

[hushed steeple]

Good observation @lucid bridge . I didnt originaly consider that🤔

I remember someone theorizing a long while back that the fallen chair was the Isle Elder storming out

But it could also be more symbolic

[hushed steeple]

I know, I know
Im dumb😅

[native galleon]

Also, there are 6 chairs in that room. It’s possible that one of them (probably isle if we’re going on hints in game) was not included

[grim horizon]

aight skycord. i always failed to look up whenever i did the flying race, and always ignored these constructs till now. ive seen concept art of the different types of classes and all the fancy houses of rich people, or the down-to-earth cozy homes such as those of the village. but im just now wondering if people lived in these buildings in the sky here

[native galleon]

Probably yes! Also, around the coliseum and in the flying race, there are even more buildings held up on floating platforms. Probably because of this

[grim horizon]

wait what does this show? sry if i sound rude

[native galleon]

dw about it! The full mural is in the Prophecy area, it shows the king bringing colored lights from the trials to different elders. The cyan light from air trial went to Valley, and they used it to power artificial islands/platforms that would float in the air.

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much

I always got the inpression that this part of the kigdom was like Venice, but insted of water and gondolas its wind and skyships

[grim horizon]

so does this mean that people lived in those floating buildings

[hushed steeple]

Yes
Otherwise theres little point in makeing all those buildings
How many temples would you really need😅

[native galleon]

i mean we don’t have exact answers as to what those buildings were used for but i would assume so

people probably lived, worked, played, did anything that buildings are used for

[hushed steeple]

Preciselly

My head canon that the kingdom continues on left and right from the race area.
Like the path we go through is the main artery (like the highway) of this region, and as you go further away from it the building proably get less dencely packed and massive

Go far enough and you would end up in wild areas and mountain villages, like we see in Village of Dreams but smaller

[native galleon]

Valley is big, but it doesn’t exactly have the best terrain to build on, so they built a lot of it in the air instead

[hushed steeple]

Levetation is the biggest use for light energy

[grim horizon]

i wonder just how big it is honestly. cuz we've seen a lot, the village, both races, social space, the coliseum is BIG TOO (can hold thousands of skykids in one server, maybe even for the spirits it can hold around the same amount)

i think the coliseum can hold exactly 100,000 skykids cuz i've seen an amount like that for the aurora concert
maybe it can hold that amount of spirits back when the kingdom was still prosperous
and then the citadel is big
then theres the theater
yeah i wonder how big valley really is

[native galleon]

though it is interesting how a lot of the space on the ground was used for recreational purposes but that’s 👀☕

[grim horizon]

cuz valley is the theater kids/musicians/athletes/entertainers ultimate hangout

[hushed steeple]

Preaty big actually
Possibly the biggest of all the kingdoms , with possible the exaption of Waistland in its golden age

[grim horizon]

but ALSO i have a theory
kind of self promo but i'd rather u ignore it because what if valley used their glory to hide the kingdoms eventual downfall
i had a narci headcanon

[hushed steeple]

I think you estimate of 100 000 for the coloseum is a good one
And its likely the entire population would not have fit in one sitting at the peak of there size
The Roman coloseum curtainly didint for Rome

[native galleon]

I think all the realms are very big, much bigger than we see in game, but Valley and Wasteland both give the impression of being dauntingly large. Even the coliseum, which is one (1) building, is enough to make me run out of energy flying across it

[native galleon]

lol half the headcanons i post in here are like, this times 10

…actually, probably more than half, i have a problem

[hushed steeple]

Thats true
any time we see an ainmation from sky, the in universe world always looks way bigger them what we see in the game

[sharp lichen]

Sure it’s big, but how much of it can it really be used for living space?

[grim horizon]

i can post the fic in sky promo and ping u and viksa if u guys would like
THE SHIP IS UHHH
UHHH
CAN I SAY THE SHIP
ITS NOT A BAD SHIP IM JUST GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT SAYING WHO IM SHIPPING IN THIS FIC

[hushed steeple]

good point
Most of it probably isnt, since there would need to be public places, temples, building with other functions......
This place is an enture city, with the building boath standing and floating makeing up for the terrebly uneaven terain of the mountain

[hushed steeple]

Please do
that would be lovely

[native galleon]

i think i might have seen it around

[grim horizon]

eh i'll post it up anyway, do u guys mind the ping?

[hushed steeple]

Absolutly not
This looks interesting
We could share notes perhaps😊

I have hopes of makeing my own sky story's one day

[native galleon]

i say go for it! there’s not that much out there, especially when it comes to stories that really get into lore topics

[sharp lichen]

Get Fruitzie in here

[hushed steeple]

Well thats the thing
I wanna be more confortable with my lore mastery😅

[native galleon]

I get that. Writing for Sky is hard, because you kinda have to figure out your ideas of how the world works and then stick to them throughout. Even basic things like what to call the characters are hard to figure out. That said, you don’t have to know every single thing about the lore to write something. Just set up some worldbuilding to give your story context, then pick some characters or a part of the timeline or any more specific topic that seems interesting to you, and focus on that.

It’s challenging, but it’s really fun to sort of imagine scenarios that you think might happen and go from there

[grim horizon]

HEHEHHE headcanons be yeeted

[grim horizon]

the way i write the spirits for each of my fics is that i have a headcanon name for them BASED ON THOSE AUTOGENERATED NAMES YOU CAN GIVE SOMEONE ONCE U BECOME FRIENDS WITH THEM.
for example, we can call narci "gloating narcissist". however, in terms of sky lore, narci's headcanon name could be nete (pronounced "neh-teh").
the other example i'll give is lamplighter. again, we the players/skykids call them "stretching lamplighter", but then their headcanon name is "tayet" (tai-et)

basically i try to give them names that kinda fit what we know about sky lore and SPIRIT LANGUAGE and so on

[grim horizon]

huh? IS SMTH HAPPENING-

[native galleon]

oh yes, the random names are usually what i end up going with as well. it’s just a matter of finding ones that sound right to me which is nearly impossible apparently

[grim horizon]

also sorry for the other ping!!!!
my narci hc is that he grew up in village of dreams so he knows performance guide and their crew (musician/stagehand/dancer/storyteller), rhythm guide, spinning mentor.
but narci particularly knows performance and rhythm and mentor THE BEST because he grew up around ALL 3 OF THEM
essentially, they all grew up tgt but between them narci was the youngest so he was called their "little brother"
he was a theater kid and loved to play instruments as well, so he spent lots of time in harmony hall and composed lots of songs and acted in performance's productions. he became a well known figure in the theater, and when he reached eighteen years of age he started performing at the coliseum. thats when his popularity as an artist started surging.

one other fun fact i can give is that lamplighter and narcissist knew each other "indirectly" in life because lamp used to listen to narci's music in his free time (which, going with little prince book, he would rarely get in the first place because of his work)
HOWEVER unbeknowst to lamp, narci is the same performing artist he once knew when they were alive but eventually when lamp realizes it truly is him, both of em are kinda happy that fate kinda brought em tgt in the afterlife.

so basically, lamp n narci did live around the same time period WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE FIC SERIES. going with sky lore, valley would be more advanced than forest but i kinda think this whole spiel made some sense to u? lmk if it didnt...

[nimble ingot]

In all my time playing Sky, I have never seen ancestor spirits in Eden....

TGC!
Explain Thyself!!!

Why do we have ancestor spirit doing a Fashion Show in the realm known to be Ground Zero for what was apparently a devastating storm of Endless Darkness!

Normally, I would be jumping at any chances and theories these events would drop.
But this???

What would one propose we do with this!? (sarcasm 100)

[obtuse tapir]

The guide is just insane!

[shell maple]

Fashion is not scared of death/reincarnation

[nimble ingot]

Not mention dragging 3 other ancestor spirits with them

[obtuse tapir]

They still seem pretty chill with it, for some reason.

[native galleon]

fashion, it never die

[nimble ingot]

sneaky surivivor, I can work with that crazy spirit who is willing to hang out with Dark Dragons.
captian, again, sure, that maniac lives in/on a ship with a krill guarding it!
and... wait a minute... what is the last one?

[obtuse tapir]

Frightened Refugee, I believe.

[native galleon]

they’re all from wasteland, they’re kinda used to this /hj

[shell maple]

Seriously tho
I think this is the "safest" part of Eden, with little winds and rocks
Its not too out of place to hang out in here

excluding the entrance obv

[obtuse tapir]

Why isnt the frightened refugee frightened that they're literally in a devastated land? 😭

[nimble ingot]

ah, you are right. Thank you

[native galleon]

again, this is hardly any worse than where they came from

[obtuse tapir]

Now that you mention it, that kinda makes sense

[nimble ingot]

TGC, why use a traumatised spirit for a fashion show in Eden?

I get why fainting warrior would probably not be up for the task.
Why not the BRAVE soldier?

(this is just me poking fun at this. If this were a serious convo, I would have torn this discovery to shreads).

[obtuse tapir]

Imagine the fashion show took place in pnr
The guide traps you into an area where you can't go to Home...

[native galleon]

I mean. DoS is probably not the most lore heavy event with the most serious implications. BUT if it was, well, yeah

[nimble ingot]

It is. I agree.

I can only fathom that it is technically not Eden proper, since the next space officially announces it.

[obtuse tapir]

FR THO

[nimble ingot]

Why would we have a fashion show in EDEN, and yet, not Dawn...?

[obtuse tapir]

They fr just chose a stormy unstable mountain over a safer, flat desert...

[native galleon]

they’re spirits they’re already dead

[obtuse tapir]

U got a point tho

[nimble ingot]

Guide be like...
"Right, I got all the usual realms. Can we do one in Dawn?"
TGC Staff Moth: "Absolutely not! There are moths there."
Guide: "...."
Guide: "Where else am I to go that we have not done yet?"
TGC Staff Moth: "In the one realm the skykids do not expect."
Guide: "???"

*Having the show in EDEN
Guide: "Well, may as well make sure the stage wont blow away in this hurricane speed wind..."

[grim horizon]

THATS WHAT IM SAYINNGGGG
like yall had to pick eden?
it couldnt be isle? Couldnt even be the prophecy area?

[sharp lichen]

The “safest” part of Eden is still much worse than the most dangerous part of Wasteland

[grim horizon]

Baudshaw. Who is fruitzie.
I saw ur comment about the ship earlier and i was like huh

I AM DUMB FRUITZIE IS NO ONE YALL ARE JUST BEING WEIRDOS

[nimble ingot]

FR
At least use the night version of Dawn.

If someone were to squeak the question, "what if skykids can't find it?"

My bro, that was my exact question as I walked up the cracked stairs and silently prepared myself for the worst on the perelious trip.
Besides, That was what the shortcut meditation circle was for!

[nimble ingot]

fruitzie is real.
They are an old user in here.

[solar echo]

heyo! I know this question's probably been asked plenty of times, but does anyone have a huge list detailing all confirmed lore? trying to explain the lore to my friend

[grim horizon]

oh. apologizes immediately
But uhh why'd baud call them or smth
i was confused

[nimble ingot]

May I ask where this message is that mentioned it, did it get deleted?

Was it this one?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[grim horizon]

Yup.

[grim horizon]

Hmm
One bit of lore that is canon is from season of prophecy. back when the prince (not yet the prince i believe) completed the four trials (namely water - patience, earth - tenacity, air - harmony, fire - courage), he gave each power to four realms. i can only remember valley however, which got the power of air to create flying boat mechanisms

[sharp lichen]

Fruitzie has a ||server where people share Sky fanfictions and writing||

[sharp lichen]

The entire lore will be difficult to find, but a good document is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[grim horizon]

Ahhh 👍

[nimble ingot]

I think they went like this (from the top of my head, and image reference)

Forest got water (patience).
Wasteland got Fire (bravery).
Day got Earth (resilience).
Valley got Air (harmony).

[grim horizon]

Ahh yeah forest got water.
Stay hydrated kids 😑

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly though, the murals leading up to the cave showed the realms with seemingly different elements.

https://youtu.be/Xm1egr7xXBY?t=182

First mural showed the forest and islands with water.
Second mural had hills and cliffs with earth.
Third had flying islands with air.
And the fourth had the forest with fire.

[grim horizon]

question. @nimble ingot
is this a good fic backstory. mixing in elements of headcanons and lore. i hope the ping is ok cuz im actually gonna dip

[nimble ingot]

you are ok
You are welcome to ask ^^

I'd say the fic sounds sweet and would make for a fun story to explore.
Especially in the interactions the spirits would share.

[grim horizon]

BRO IM A MUSICIAN THE HECK
but also yeah valley was the one that first came to mind

i should learn to not be rude to ppl
Im gonna go slump in the corner

[native galleon]

dw about it, i was being weird

[grim horizon]

NONONO ITS OK ITS OK

[native galleon]

i was lowkey referencing how i talk about that particular thing a lot but you're right that i shouldn't have assumed

[grim horizon]

Dw bout it

[crisp mortar]

when i was doing eden the other day i started thinking about the little sky kid you hug and i'm wondering if they're supposed to represent the last of your light or hope? since the kid you hug is always the same size as you, it seems like they're supposed to represent yourself rather than another person. as you progress through eden, you lose more and more hope while losing more and more light. maybe that kid is supposed to represent the hope you lost, and hugging them is regaining it? and regaining your hope is what ultimately helps save everyone in eden?

[grim horizon]

Skykids are made of both light and dark. So its possible that once you die and you become that 'dark' self, your light self waits to reunite with your dark self.
but this is just a theory.
a game theory.

[native galleon]

i always thought it was like your old self that has died embracing the new one

[grim horizon]

Oh fr i never thought abt it like that

[crisp mortar]

i think that's also a really good interpretation. i also noticed that when you hug them, it's almost like you become one with them

[native galleon]

yeah, and you're being reborn, so that's just what makes sense to me idk

[crisp mortar]

or maybe it's the opposite, maybe you're the old self and you're hugging your new self? 🤔

[native galleon]

maybe you're both

[reef fulcrum]

My younger brother has a theory about soulmates. That instead of being born apart, like humans, Sky Folk begin their lives as one being. Already a part of their "other half".

Of course, take that with your own interpretation of soulmates, but I think it's worth voicing.

[obtuse tapir]

I don't get it

[arctic sphinx]

is anyone already post the aviary guide personality here?

just for lore source if anyone want it in the future.

[arctic sphinx]

i guess the light one is a wl that other skykid give to us.

[visual badger]

who's the child we hug after when we die in eye of eden?

[solar echo]

I think I saw someone share their skykid oc lore here before, but I wanted to ask if that was allowed before I started potentially talking about mine sometime?

[lucid bridge]

Personally I believe it’s the king

[proud flame]

woww what is this place why are there portals in here??

[native galleon]

SAME HEIGHT
SKYKID CONFIRMED???

[trim mural]

it’s all one big decisive memory candle prank, none of this is real /j

[native galleon]

I had a thought about yesterday’s shard, and how this guide could possibly be a skykid but also a spirit

[hushed steeple]

Well that is quite fascinating
Although we also need to rule out the posibility that your just tall for a sky kid to be absolutly shure🤔

[native galleon]

i am tall but not quite max height, also, all the other kid spirits are still taller than me

[foggy vault]

the statues with cosmetics in the new season area made me question, were those cosmetics from citizens who’s soul ascensions had failed and they couldn’t reunite back as spirits? There are many evidence of this happening like in remembrance, the remembrance spirits had came back to life as spirits, but their loved ones that they had lost in their past life didn’t, does that mean their souls could be lost and trapped forever in the void? Like.. some souls could be bought back to life as spirits but some couldn’t, there’s evidence of it too. it is quite sad for a theory but it makes sense to me, at least

[hushed steeple]

If we can chibi mesure this spirit, and compare its hight to the rememberence kid, we can know for curtain

If he is as tall or shorter then him, we got our proof🤩

[shell maple]

Hopeful Steward is def meant to look like a Skykid, similar to the Young Skater in Season of Dreams

[hushed steeple]

Yeah but young skater is still bigger then us

[native galleon]

my skykid is about 3’8”, pleading child is taller than me and so is the skater. ancestor kids are always taller. that’s consistent enough for me

[shell maple]

I don’t really see why height is so important?

[hushed steeple]

Well if the numbers add up, we got our evidence🤩

[native galleon]

because every ancestor spirit, even the smallest kid ones, is taller than the tallest skykid. it’s a pretty well documented difference between ancestors and us. so for a spirit to be the same height or smaller has some implications

[shell maple]

Oh, I see.
Hope that theory is true!

[hushed steeple]

This also adds more credability to the theory that the stuerd might be the same kid from the 2 embers🤔

[shell maple]

Also isn’t Steward the first guide we revive?

[hushed steeple]

This does make me think if maby this village (in universe) was something of a safe place dureing the Era of darkness
With most of the ancesters dieing out with just a few who survived, this could have been the only place where ancesters who made it here could live deacent lifes

Though it seams even they eventually faded, and darkness found its way to the isle

(Theory just come up on the spot, still very much in proces, so dont quote me on it 😅)

[foggy vault]

another thing to mention, you know the cosmetics from the statues are meant to look the same as past season cosmetics, but that made me question again if the ancestors were actually members of some season crews back then in the crews past life, whom has also failed their soul ascensions. Like the first one may be someone in rhythm, other in abyss?? Or dreams?? and other being in gratitude and enchantment and stuff.. I believe that those cosmetics are actually from these past ancestors who were absent due to ascension failures and no capability of survival. man, sky lore is pretty sad

[foggy vault]

that.. does make sense! I can see it being a safe space but in the end I guess that still didn’t work out..

[hushed steeple]

They probably held out way longer then everyone else.
And this could have had ancesters from all realms, all those who somehow managed to get there, comeing together and makeing a new life

[molten anvil]

I had a thought that the new season area might replace home in some way

[hushed steeple]

They would also "bring there culture" with them, for lack of a better word, which is why you have all the cosmetics from past seasons🤔

[shell maple]

“This could be our new home” -trailer from the season

It might replace it…

[hushed steeple]

I had the same thought as well🤔

Maby not replace it, but perhaps after compleating all the quests, you unlock the choice of where you wanna make your home area 🤔

[molten anvil]

I feel like we wont have a choice. I Think they might replace home and add some wind path or portal to the current home in the revival area somewhere.

I'm only thinking this because of all the portals.

the revival area could very well be OLD home. lol.

[hushed steeple]

I dont belive this will fully replace old home (there is good reason why they removed Aviary as start location in the first place), but for more experianced players this could be a choice

[hushed steeple]

That does beg the question🤔

Could Aviary have been the original home for the "first" skykids, back when the ancesters were alive?

We do see in Aurora Isle song that a kid arives to Isle of Down by boat, and looking at the map Aviary is much closer to Isle of Down then home🤔

( again, just throwing out ideas as they come to me😅
Still need way more data to be curtain of anything)

[upper mortar]

IM SORRY, WHAT?!?!
||IT'S THE KID WITH THE FAT MANTA FROM SKY: TWO EMBERS TRAILER||

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, thats preaty much comman knowlige by now😁

[upper mortar]

Guy really threw me off my seat when i saw the similarities

[hushed steeple]

With the new size comparison we did on the spirit, this theory is even more creadable now

[molten anvil]

did you guys notice the ultimate hair looks similar to that kids hair but with feathers?

[upper mortar]

Maybe as we progress through the season story, he's gonna get a makeover?

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much👍
They probably got a new hair style after the animation
(Adding fethers I mean)

[molten anvil]

It'll probably be like. after we finish "reviving" the village (which im p sure is the direction the quests will take us) the kid gets a makeover

[upper mortar]

Kid reunites with his fat manta after 3000 years

[hushed steeple]

🤩🤩🤩

That would be so beautifull🥹🥹🥹

[bitter plank]

i immediately thought it was the king. the way he reacted to seeing the skykid gave me vibes of "i'm like you"

[hushed steeple]

Remember, its called "Two Embers", so this probably isnt The King

[bitter plank]

oh i don't know stuff about the two embers thing, just going based on what i saw in the game :>

[arctic sphinx]

Guys, what is our skykid talking about in the opening season? Our skykid just pull out candle

[obsidian haven]

Is the new season like where sky originated from

[rapid latch]

I headcanon the aviary to be a sprawling, diverse city home to people from all the realms of Sky.

[obsidian haven]

Like diagon alley from Harry potter?

[native galleon]

“Fat manta” is killing me 💀

[raw wharf]

I have a lore question
Is the spirit from the new season a sky kid?

[tough sky]

This is my interpretation
But I feel like there was a pilgrimage, at least it seems to be what the Isle memories say
Maybe the Aviary Village is where the spirits come from, some of them at least
Unlike in Home, we can see Eden from the Aviary Village
The Ultimate Gifts remind me of the Season of Flight cosmetics and on the map, the Village is multiple different colours like the Wind Paths (indicating that they are connected to multiple realms and not part of one specifically)

I believe that unlike spirits, seasonal guides stay, they don't go to orbit at the end of the Season and they stay (with the exception of the first few because their seasons didn’t have a story)
So they have been basically alone since

Now that the Village is getting renovated, they have a place to go and see other spirits

(I just watched a few seasons' final cutscenes and it seems like Flight did leave but they're the only one, every other Guide that I have seen stayed)

[native galleon]

it’s looking pretty likely imo #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tough sky]

We don't know

But at the same time, what is the difference between a skykid and an ancestor spirit (especially children)

They seem to be one of the protagonists of The Two Embers (or the protagonist if there is only one) so we might have to wait for this to have to wait until the series comes out

[raw wharf]

Ah

[brave elbow]

lore channel going wild with new material

i totally think the area is where skykids used to live, the homespace we have now is maybe a fractured part of it? but i dont think theyre gonna force a switch to the new area. i do hope it stays as a sort of easy accessible hangout/market-looking type area

[plush cave]

I also don’t think Aviary Village is going to replace home, there are too many aspects of homespace that make it too efficient.

It would be all the more strange considering the LA Aviary was a social hub, and never homespace

[brave elbow]

yes exactly, i think it will stay a social place.
the homespace is a weird skykid half-dream space but the village feels more real, eden is visible and the first quest has the hair symbol so im assuming the rest will be the other customization options

[nimble ingot]

I may be out skykid taking out the candle to become acquainted with the guide.
Similar to how we are prompted to do so with other skykids and freeing spirits.

The guide's response to seeing the flame on the candle could hypothetically be that they were hoping to see that flame after being trapped for so long.

[arctic sphinx]

Ahh, add friend but with red candle?

[nimble ingot]

We meet each other with red candles, then offer white ones for friendship.

lol take them out to dinner first before giving out white candles like they are free candy /j

[arctic sphinx]

But about season guides... The aviary guide looks so happy when rhythm guide free from stone thing... Is everyone (guides) came from same village?

[brave elbow]

guide seemed surprised too see us bc we're a stranger but they def knew the rhythm guide. maybe thats where they went after the season? or were there all along and the spirit part was leading the season and the stone was in the village all along

[arctic sphinx]

So... Wait. Is aviary is the beginning of every season?

[brave elbow]

i think its where the guides (and maybe the first skykids) lived

homespace is a condensed version with the customization options and portals, there are broken portals in aviary

[arctic sphinx]

That kinda makes sense... So that kid is Eden because of the prophecy.

[brave elbow]

yeah its possible, ive seen lots theories that this guide is alef/resh

[arctic sphinx]

Ok, is getting connected slowly

[brave elbow]

i want to explore the new area in detail but unfortunately i have so much hw and tests this week :(
im sure there is a lot to discover

[arctic sphinx]

A lot, but today only has 1 quest, it's improving slowly every week.

[arctic sphinx]

But ||the big portal gates other than Eden are not around, only same replica from home||

[brave elbow]

yes! i know its bc its an old design but its so interesting that its so similar to our homespace and the prairie socail area

[slim mango]

So... How did spirit can piggyback skykids? (As seen in finished coloring pages) Or handholding? Are spirit is basically translucent being?

[shell maple]

There is another one holding a 🧹
It probably works on ghost rules.

[slim mango]

Yeah 🤔🤔

[median forge]

||what's sky two emblers||

[nimble ingot]

Them doing the hand holding is just

[nimble ingot]

Funny enough I had this come up in a convo with friends (more like a homebrew tabletop rpg, but eh).

I'd like to think the spirits have some means to move or pick up objects/creatures. But it takes energy from them to do so.

In the convo it was a skykid getting piggybacked by a warrior spirit. The spirit was putting so much energy to run, carry the skykid on their shoulders and navigate a mangrove, that thier body started to visually fizzle out. But their presence was still there. It ended up looking the spirit was running without their legs.

TGC's take may differ though, lol

[brave elbow]

might work as the skykid giving them energy/light

[slim mango]

Here's example to take, yeah, we can recharge our wings from spirit too 🤔

[nimble ingot]

I wonder if it the spirit is getting light from us, or they are just giving their light only

[brave elbow]

ghosts work on power of friendship, both ways

charging each other most likely

[sharp lichen]

ITS ALREADY LIVE?????

[dark pivot]

does. does the hopeful steward have the same "light gem" heart thing that skykids have? like. where they grab their candls from?

[brave elbow]

no i think thats a building behind them

[lavish wind]

Spirits can make physical contact with skykids if they so please, especially if invitin to hold hands or hug.

[trim mural]

Since there were two of them, where’s the other

[cursive lantern]

So the cosmetics for this season are very curious to me due to the Similarities to past seasons cosmetics

The blue one looks like a rhythm cape, the black one looks like abyss(?) the yellow one looks like gratitude and the last one looks like enchantment

I’m still debating on what the black one is referencing since it’s called memory of a “lost village” which to me screams village of dreams but it doesn’t look like a dreams cosmetic

[queen pike]

I love them 🥺

[cursive lantern]

The only one I’m really sure of is an enchantment reference is the “remnant of a forgotten Haven” which, cmon, forgotten ark, forgotten haven it’s in the name lol

[native galleon]

The boy becomes a king.

The king is no longer around to be saved.

[sharp lichen]

A DEAD SKYKID 😭

[native galleon]

at least, that’s what i think

I could always be wrong tho

[native galleon]

lost to the ocean, maybe

[cursive lantern]

STILL ITS REALLY COOL

[cursive lantern]

OHHHH THATS A GOOD GUESS

[native galleon]

The style is giving abyss to me at least

[cursive lantern]

I didn’t realize that maybe the village was in the ocean lol. yeah it very much is to me too

[native galleon]

ripped capes are often a design associated with wasteland, even if the spirit isn’t literally there (abyss spirits, slouching soldier, wounded warrior)
and the pattern is the same as commodores hairstyle

[tough sky]

According to the map, it's between Home and the Isle of Dawn

[dark pivot]

well, wait- unless im misunderstanding, hopeful steward cant be a skykid, because they don't have the candle "heart" that we skykids do. unless, if a skykid can permanently die, do they lose that "heart"?

i did also see in the artwork, the cape/scarf they're wearing doesn't have the star of a winged light, implying that they cannot fly. (at least, not without a living skykid holding their hand and flying )
if a skykid can permanently die, it would make sense for them to lose their winged light, since we lose that even when we are reborn through Eden.

im just surprised that skykids can come back as spirits instead of skykids (if that is, in fact, what hopeful steward is).

[cursive lantern]

Huh, interesting

[grim horizon]

WHOA I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT!!!!

[native galleon]

i guess we’ll have to wait for the two embers to see if the kids in the story are officially skykids

[cedar pewter]

Just a little something I noticed- I don’t know if I‘m the only one. I hope not. But the dress from the meditating monk looks like the ones from the wall „paintings“. And if you merch 2 emotes..

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the Hopeful Steward is the first ember, while the second ember is the king

[grim horizon]

THATS DEFO STEWARD
OMGOMGOMGOMGOG

[sharp lichen]

I absolutely think they are, especially if it’s a king-related story

[native galleon]

I think so too

[sharp lichen]

In fact, if it is confirmed to be Skykids, I will change my pfp to sassy drifter

I think it’s a really good idea having Two Embers content in the Sky game. It helps people know more about both mediums, and where the characters end up afterward.

Now that I think of it, this is the foremost element of a tragedy- knowing exactly where the characters end up. We know exactly that Hopeful Steward died. We just have to find out how

[hushed steeple]

My thoughts exactly🥰👍

[native galleon]

i love tragic sky content lets gooooo

[sharp lichen]

aka, I love sky content lets gooooo

[cursive lantern]

What’s all this about “two embers” what did I miss

[native galleon]

Can’t wait to speculate about all the horrible things that happened

[reef fulcrum]

SOMEBODY TELL HIM

[sharp lichen]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

I wrote this article

[grim horizon]

you know whats confusing me tho
after the whole kingdom got destroyed didnt the megabird create skykids like a long time afterwards?
so how do we know skykids used to "exist" in the sky kingdom a long time ago?
aren't they child spirits?
this is a dumb question but plez answer thx

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they fell too early

Look at the Ushering Stargazer memory

[cursive lantern]

OH RIGHT I FORGOT ABOUT RHE ANIMATED SERIES COMING OUT

[sharp lichen]

“One of them” is very likely hopeful steward. Maybe they wanted to create a place where all spirits wanted to live together, aka the aviary area

[grim horizon]

THE BOY BECOMES A KING??
ALEF?? RESH??? HUH-

[hushed steeple]

Yup
They had not abandoned this plat point ( or just leave it as veague referencess in murals)

They are finally gonna tell the official story

[grim horizon]

KJNUYRHUYVEBYUAGYURJNU
OH MAI GAAAAD
I AM FREAKING OUT

[cursive lantern]

Wait so I have a question, how did the rhythm guide end up at the village? We last saw them at the dreams village when they met up with their twin

[grim horizon]

guys have a good day i'll pop in lorechat later

[reef fulcrum]

Hopeful Steward may have been the very closest friend to the would-be King.

[native galleon]

spirits show up in different places in game a lot, idk

[cursive lantern]

Fair

[reef fulcrum]

My Black Cape Mother was at TWO of the Style Event locations.

[sharp lichen]

Your what??

[reef fulcrum]

Stealthy Survivor.
She's one of my Moms in the Game.
There are many.

[tough sky]

It was some time ago, maybe they went to the Aviary after that and started their hairdressing business
Something happened and they're in the state we meet them in

[cursive lantern]

Yeah good point but that would have to mean though that what happened to Avery Village was fairly recent

[reef fulcrum]

Like, as if Aviary was still intact and thriving AFTER the Eden Shattered?

I need to just get online and try to sort out this Rhythm Barber thing for myself.

[native galleon]

so hopeful steward is the one that tries to save the world by convincing the ancestors/king to give up their power

[reef fulcrum]

~~We're all gonna feel pretty dumb if Two Embers comes out, and it turns out that's NOT the Hopeful Steward at all. ~~

[soft timber]

Do you think that, since skykids hair and cape are presumably light, their bodies are a clay-like earthen material and it could explain the different heights? Thinking about this since I though about Skykids having pawpads

[reef fulcrum]

There's been a heap of discussion on this, and my presumption is that Skykid's physical bodies are made of DARKSTONE.

[native galleon]

Seems very unlikely, though. They’ve been adding things from the animations into the game for months, and now that we have a release date, it would make sense for them to introduce a main character into the game now. Get people interested yk

[reef fulcrum]

Agree.
Plus I really WANT them to be the same person.

[queen pike]

:0

[cursive lantern]

Yeah, that would be the case if spirits have been seen outside of the village prior to its discovery

[tough sky]

That's more than a year ago
And Season of Shattering came after Season of Performance, maybe an eruption is what destroyed the village

[cursive lantern]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[reef fulcrum]

That's hard for me to reconcile, but I don't have much more time rn.

All I'll say at this point is that I don't think the timeline of the Seasons is necessarily congruent with the chronology of the Ancestors history.

[tough sky]

I remember hearing that the seasons happen in the game and they're not really memories but I don’t remember if it was a theory of if it was something the devs said

[brave elbow]

My hc is that seasons are impressions more than real memories of before the eruption. Like they happen when the spirits are already like that

[sharp lichen]

yeah, i think some seasons happen in the past, while some, like this one, happen in the (relative) future.

I have a timeline (excluding the new season) #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[grim horizon]

LORECHAT WHATS THE BEST THING ABOUT HIDDEN FOREST I NEED THIS FOR FIC REASONS

[queen pike]

Grandma?

[sharp lichen]

Given the devs said the "Eden Elder is not around to be saved anymore", I think the Hopeful Steward (which we save) isn't the king. But we are getting closer. Hopeful Steward probably knew about the King, as shown in the Two Embers

[sharp lichen]

Sorry about this lume, it's the Lightseekers Cinematic Universe

[grim horizon]

as ive mentioned before, skykids are made of BOTH light and dark, so its plausible that we could be comprised of darkstone

[queen pike]

(insert slouch emote here)

[grim horizon]

please explain.
ok so for context below

lamplighter: do u know whats the best thing about the forest?
cuz i hc that he grew up/worked there cuz tlp and sky lore wombo combo
i got an angsty moment here

[queen pike]

alright fine, i rescind my earlier statement. It's the treehouses/atmosphere.

[sharp lichen]

The Hidden Forest's most defining feature is the rain. Perhaps since this narci is from a drier place, Lamplighter could talk about the beauty and comfort of the rain

[reef fulcrum]

Insert "Photon Based Lifeforms" Essay.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tough sky]

I have read The Little Prince many times
But I am wondering what you mean

[grim horizon]

nete is narci

[queen pike]

[grim horizon]

aight
i feel bad for explaining this but
heres lamplighter headcanon backstory that i have so far

[grim horizon]

SINCE THIS NARCI I SAW THE EDIT I SAW IT
also, u know that charlie chaplin quote i think that goes smth along the lines of "in the rain no one can see me cry"? i was going to make a reference to that but i decided not to

[sharp lichen]

It seems that the true name is Hopeful “Ouppielover” Steward

[nimble ingot]

I am not sure if the wording was intentional during the interview.

The phrase, "a King" makes me think that there could have been another King in Sky.
Namely, if one dies, the Prince becomes the next King, who then chooses a Prince who would one day become the next King, and the cycle continues.

[reef fulcrum]

This image is always slightly intimidating.

[nimble ingot]

Ah damn it XD XD

[grim horizon]

every time i ask raider (which isnt often) about lore dude always comes thru so to me its not intimidating

[nimble ingot]

you are always welcome to ask, lol.
I love Sky Lore

[sharp lichen]

That's a good observation, but a second king would be very out of left field in terms of what we know about Sky lore. "the king" also implies that having a king is required/important in the Sky world

[hushed steeple]

I really need to get to reading more of this
Real life keeps getting in the way😅

[tough sky]

There is a king and a prince I believe

They could be the two characters we saw in the The Two Embers trailers

[grim horizon]

i shouldntve edited my comment ah man
but yeah
i said take ur time
life do be pain @hushed steeple

[sharp lichen]

Concept art does imply that the king and the prince are one and the same, who knows what they’ve changed though

[grim horizon]

AYO THE ANTICIPATION BETWEEN VIKSA AND RAIDER
WHAT ARE YALL TYPING

[nimble ingot]

I agree.
It has been at the back of my mind for a while.
It is odd to see 2 elders ruling over 1 realm. The valley twins are an exception given the them of their realm and the process in the concept art does suggest that the trend of 1 elder per realm is an established theme.
Which begs the question why would there be a King and a Prince in a single realm?

Eden is the realm of death (based on the realms' symbology with the stages of life).
I pondered on the idea of what if the realm has an elder who has to die, and be reborn. Which leads to the Prince becoming a King each time the old one passes away. And possibly what could have broken the cycle would be there were no Prince to replace the last King. Which lead to the notion of what if the skykids were sent to Eden in hopes that one of them would be accepted as a Prince perhaps?

But that was a very dark theory and one I figured would not be suited to explore in the lore chat after the last time I posted a theory about death in Eden. At least not until evidence for this may show up to support it.

[hushed steeple]

The choice to make the Lamplighter from Forest is a really good one

From what we've seen, the people of Forest were craftsman, woodworkers and minors, perhaps even before crystal industry took over

Makeing something or being some work or activeties is characteriatic of there culture

[nimble ingot]

What may play well with your fanon is the idea that Forest was once considered to be very misty, and lamp lights there could have been illusions to trick weary skykids. The forest elder back then in the concept art was once considered to be a trickster. Who lures skykids into a maze with their lamp.

[grim horizon]

i kind of based it on the concept art, where each of the tlp spirits are supposed to represent an elder/realm in sky
narci from valley, lamp from forest, soldier from wasteland, geographer from vault are what i remember so far
i forgot what realms ruler and star collector are supposed to symbolize

and i place their headcanon backstories around childhood and growth, the type of parental figures they had, their personalities as they grew from childhood to adulthood and so on

[native galleon]

was just about to post this #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[grim horizon]

ah yeah heres another part of the fic that explains lamplighter's feelings about forest elder (and darkstone). lmk what u think
as well as narci's opinion on the valley elders

i kinda try to make them both have SOME relation to the elders but still dont revolve their entire personalities around the elders they represent. i give THEM their own stories

[native galleon]

yeah that makes sense! it’s cool that you give them their own stories with complicated feelings about these things, particularly in hindsight

[nimble ingot]

https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211012/29298_978047.html

I could not find the exact image per say.
Although there has been debates about this back when the season was active.

Dawn - King?
Day - Accountant
Forest - Lamp Lighter?
Valley - Narcissist
Wasteland - Slouching Soldier
Vault - Geographer

I recall there was a bit of uncertainty about where each spirit trully aligned with the realms, though this was what I think it was.

[glacial saddle]

Alguien en español?

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @glacial saddle. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[grim horizon]

no, solo ingles
no, only english

[grim horizon]

thx for the reference

[glacial saddle]

No entiendo nada

[nimble ingot]

Sorry, buddy.

[grim horizon]

AHHH LORE BIT LORE BIT!
for this fic, lamp is indeed tired of his job however, he does question what it all means. my hc backstory is that lamp's father was a lamplighter, and lamp became the SECOND one (meaning that his father was the FIRST and ONLY lamplighter before HE JOINED)
but then when his father died he took over completely and his work was stressful but in hindsight, he realizes how terrible his job truly was even tho it was necessary bc everyone loves their darkstone
but then lamp also wanted to do the job his father was doing so he had a choice whether or not he wanted to do it but then he also didnt have a choice...again the reason being the precious darkstone

@nimble ingot i do have another scene in which narci tells lamp about the coliseum and his performances if u dont mind reading it and telling me if its KINDA lore accurate??
im trying my best here with sky lore

[nimble ingot]

shoot 🙂

[grim horizon]

and when lamp says "those children" he's making a reference to skykids. theyre still spirits in this fic!

[hushed steeple]

So good

[nimble ingot]

I would say that those who know about the old days of Sky would be excited to have their 'old home' back. Well, now 'new' home, lol.

The Aviary has lore, soem of which pairs very well with the Rhythm guide. Because the back when the Rhythm guide originally hosted their season, was where Aviary still existed.

[nimble ingot]

In the past in lorechat, I recall (from back reading parts of the old messages) that the elders were once thought to be villians of the game (by the users).

There is certainly evidence to suggest that there is a division between the 'upper' and 'lower' class in the realm.
Where the citadel and second race had plenty of golden details and buildings. Whereas the dream village is more humble and less flashy.
Them being lower than the citadel would have likely given an opressive or dominating impression for those looking up at ancestors living the 'high' life.

[grim horizon]

you know, this does seem to make sense. in my fic narci lives in the village of dreams. was born and raised. the person who's closest to him in the fic is spinning mentor, who was kind of a mother/sister figure for him because his own mother was very uhhh, let's say, absent. in his life. she birthed him, then ignored him.
when narci's six years old, he meets rhythm guide, who's running harmony hall alongside performance guide at the time. rhy/perf are eight years old, two years older than him. so they treat him like their little brother.
as narci grows, narci gets to bond with rhythm/performance/mentor, allowing other people into his circle of friends namely the performance crew, which are storyteller, stagehand, musician and dancer, though out of all four of them he is closest with musician.

anyway he performs in performances productions (lol) and stuff as he grows, plays some instruments, sings blah blah. eventually gains FAME. and buddy do u know what FAME MEANS?! FAME MEANS THE VALLEY ELDERS!
and basically he gets asked to perform at the coliseum bc elders spoke to him as he was asleep and he kinda...accepted the offer
and hes super famous and also lamp knows him INDIRECTLY (in life)
i basically made him and lamp exist in the same time period

oh and one thing i forgot to mention. Narci decides to continue living in the village bc he doesnt like fancy stuff and living the high life. So hes content to live where knows people

[nimble ingot]

Imagine the statue we see perfroming in the colliseum was Narcissist. The statue that skater girl looked up to in the village and also stands proudly in the colliseum for skykids to relive the performance with the skater.

Skater girl used to practice with dancing performer, who is about the same height and lanky body type as narcissist. Which might help the case if skater girl could have performed with narcissist at some point (if at all)

(This is more fanon lore I am exploring here)

[grim horizon]

Narci commends her on a great performance cuz he heard she did that

[native galleon]

ok we’re talking about valley and their excessive consumption now, this is definitely in my wheelhouse lol
I do think the twins would be very proud, and wouldn’t take too kindly to criticism about their way of life. And, though I think they would genuinely want to support artists and keep people happy, I also headcanon that some of their actions would have more of a…manipulative undertone during and after the war. Distracting people from problems, or downplaying the seriousness while villainizing the rebellion. (I’ve written this from their perspective in my own work actually, it was extremely fun to write lol) So I can definitely see how a spirit from that time, who now has the benefit of hindsight as well as years and years to unpack all of it after death, would feel this way. I’m sure the twins would disagree with this interpretation of their actions, but it’s not too much of a reach to have a character who sees it like this looking back.

[grim horizon]

If narci stood in front of the elders he'd definitely squabble like a little child and lamp would have to hold him back

NOOOO RAIDER-

[nimble ingot]

XD ok, bot
I see how that ship would sail.

[grim horizon]

....i uhhh have lamplighter death lore from my fic. Yall wanna see that or

[nimble ingot]

just out of sheer curiosity.

I take that I would not be allowed to talk about comparing the Forgotten Ark to a certain supposed 'unsinkable' ship 🚢 🧊

woah.
1 - That is well written.
2 - However, it might be best to spoiler this.
Because, 3. It may be a bit much for younger readers as far as the rules on this server is concerned with family friendly content.

[obtuse tapir]

Ijust came ro this what
Did bro die

[nimble ingot]

Also, may I share this with friends on a private server?
credit and links would be inlcuded.

[grim horizon]

I AM SO SORRY
Didnt realize the implication

[nimble ingot]

you are ok.
It is very well written. Well done.

[grim horizon]

Yes u can!
But uh. UH can i ask for what purposes if u dont mind?

[grim horizon]

yeah thats uhhh how he passed.
in my fic theyre still spirits in the present but i will flashback into their past

[nimble ingot]

Simply to share it.
One of the friends on there are a writer, and I am sure the others would love to read your fics.

[still cloud]

I have 82 wl now 😇

How many wl do I need to not be bullied for being a moth *cough cough 🥲

[obsidian condor]

Can someone tell me what the story is about plz

[obtuse tapir]

Bullied? But dont most if not all people love moths?

[nimble ingot]

more than 10 in my opinion lol

There may be plenty of times where you 'moth' around and be called one

[cold sparrow]

myth of endless growth, hubris, environmental exploitation, pollution, civil war, destruction, rebirth and healing

[obsidian condor]

What's up with that big fish in the underwater place

[nimble ingot]

Sky is a game, and Sky lore is like an onion 🧅

It has layers, and the more you cut into them, the more you want to cry.