lore-discussion-spoilers

[ocean saddle]

yes... yes.....

why did I never noticed that conversation while I was active chatting at general last time...?

[ocean grove]

Ok so i know this is a really broad question, but what are some of the common theories about the elemental lights? Ive seen all the murals and i have an (what id like to think is) a decent idea of how they play in and all, but i haven't heard them discussed that much when I've been lurking in lore chat and i was wondering what the community consensus is (or if it goes beyond the base lore and murals at all)

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps the Shared Memory was just an Eden Crystal gone right

In more detail: I think the Vault technology like the memory candles and shared memories were a way of mass-producing the functions of the Eden Diamond

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

There’s not a real community consensus, but here’s my theory on the matter:

[nimble ingot]

Hm....

Adding onto that with the Shattered Memories.
We know skykids and ancestors can be captured in memories. Even ghost mantas.

But Elders (light creatures included) seem to be more difficult to capture in memories. Either because they are physically too big, or another reason (such as TGC have not yet included lore in the game that shows this).
There is a mural in Vault elder cutscene with the Vault elder handling a diamond (as well as a mural that shows the elder handing a diamond/memory lantern).

We may not have any evidence to outright explain what happened in Eden, other than the Eden Crystal exploding and the elders caught in the blast.
Though the changes and visuals like the one you showed, does suggest this.

We have also seen how memories work in season of Remembrance.
I wonder though about the grave stones with the diamond shaped holes. Would the holes mean the ancestors could either insert a diamond to activate the shrine to see the spirit. That there would have been a diamond in there to 'power' the shrine. Or the hole was left there for an ancestor to insert a diamond to capture the memory of the spirit.
In any of these cases, this may cause the spirit to appear to ancestors.

Furthermore, it is interesting to note how spirits do appear to skykids who have interacted with them before. Should you find a grave stone without a spirit appearing, it is possible because we dont know the spirit (or the spirit does not know the skykid).
While for ancestors, are likely surprised to see a spirit in a memory as they may not have been able to contact them before.
Which implies skykids have a 'gift' of seeing the dead, whereas a living ancestor may not be (based on the spirit's response to seeing another spirit from a memory, possibly recreating their reaction from life).

[nimble ingot]

In the game, it is a ball of light that were originally introduced in season of Lightseekers.
One that is made of pure light (hence it charging up skykids at a moderate rate).
The golden lights from the Lightseekers, and the elemental lights are similar in appearance, although the coloured lights in season of Enchantment behave differently.

While cyan, red, blue and purple constantly fly around like the golden lights from Lightseekers, while orange and green would eventually fall and land on the ground.

We also know the enchantment seasons spirits can use the lights, while we have not seen Lightseekers harness the power of the other lights in the same way (albeit they do harness the energy from trees).

Beyond that, theories about them has been open to debate and speculation.

Wild thought incoming.

What if this is the King trying to open a portal to allow ancestors to ascend without going to Orbit?

We have seen this pattern in Orbit's portal which is where skykids are reborn, and possibly where ancestors can pass on.
As well as taking note that any ascended spirit would not pass through the portal. Either by choice or inability to pass over, they instead stand beside the path and instead offer their own winged light to skykids.

Comparing the eden mural to the all elders cuscene mural of the King in eden (which is notably older and possibly in need of an update in my opinion seeing how much the game and its lore changed since then). There seems to be a missing piece of this picture that may reveal what happened in Eden.
What happened to all those spirits, and why the crystal when from a beacon of Light, to a shattered epicentre of a restless and massive storm.

Also, another stray thought.
Should Aurora represent Megabird.

Would her trapped and catatonic (frozen, coma like state. Or dorment) inside an orb possible be linked to the old mural of the King holding an orb be it?

Is Megabird trapped in a orb by the King?
Would the Eye of Eden, imply the orb of Megabird?

[sharp lichen]

I’ve assumed the Orb represented something more ethereal. It’s a clear reference to the Forbidden Fruit, a piece of knowledge that would allow humanity to stray from god. In that context, Darkstone could be the best fit for that

[nimble ingot]

Indeed.
Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

It makes that first scene in the concert where we see into the orb and see Aurora tell a story, or a memory, going over the key elements of Sky lore (light, darkness, death, the ancestors, and the storm) but the full story is vague and Aurora even asks the skykids directly, "do you understand what is happening ?"
As well as, "We are stood, but somehow calm within the madness of the storm"

As a side note, meeting Aurora while standing in/on water. That echoes how Obit has water for a floor.

[pastel brook]

all my krills, greeting me here as a friend I'm home, waiting for time to let go...

[prime drift]

Oh god oh golly hello
I’m like, completely brand new to this channel and I know this is completely off topic to your guys’ aurora discussion
I haven’t researched lore at all but I’m curious about something
In uh
The scene in Eden, where you’re “ascending” and flying through the cloud tunnels to get to orbit, there’s a platform
Similar to the one in vault, with all of the stone carvings of the elders around it
Does that imply that there used to be an Eden elder, and that Eden was formerly a part of sky kingdom, or am I over reading, or is it something else??

[nimble ingot]

Ah, no worries.

There has been a few interesting theories and debates on that.

1- The theory of Vaults' upper levels are not real. As the realm is known to be 'dreamlike' and the space seems to defy gravity (which ties into the diamond in the elevator possibly responsible for 'projecting' or 'creating' a the place like a memory.

2- We may not know if the top floor with the elder shrines are in fact real for the reasons above. As well as the how Vault breaks the pattern of meditation at an elder shrine(s), reliving the scene with the elder, and returning the same space to progress with the way cleared ahead. Vault does this with skykids returning to a different room than the space that is considered the temple (which is a loose description seeing we dont see the true 'temple' of Vault.

3-The possibility the top of Vault has been destroyed in Eden, or is part of Eden. And the section we fly past is the physical ruins of the Vault 'temple'.

While there are likely other theories and speculations relevant to this. These are the points I recall in lore chat and would like to highlight for you. (feel free to look around, search in the channel search bar, or ask around when other users are online).

The short answer is merely my opinion that it is quite possible.

[prime drift]

Oh! That’s actually really interesting! Thank you!!

[fickle snow]

the peas are gon! yes!

[frigid tinsel]

Thing is, Orbit is the destination. Ascension takes them to Orbit. Where else would they go?

[nimble ingot]

(The only reason for answering is because it is a good lore question. )

The same way the Little Prince went.
Except not to Asteroid B-612, but the afterlife.

The afterlife in Sky can theoretically be three (or more) outcomes:
Rebirth (same soul, same body) - This what happens to Skykids (Qouting from the game: "You are about to be reborn")
Reincarnation (same soul, different body) - The spirit returns to live a new life. Be it an ancestor, or creature. It is their Light (and soul) being renewed.
The afterlife (different soul, different body) - The spirit passes on, and that particular individual may never return. However, their Light joins the stars, and eventually becomes part of a new life.

[frigid tinsel]

but that requires going to Orbit/the Light in the first place. so, again, where else would they go if not there?

[uncut pond]

I think "the afterlife" as you describe it is just Orbit

[sterile orchid]

Also everything you described is still considered a form of rebirth (at least in my mind)

I imagine you could choose which way you want to be reborn in some way, like for most sky kids, they want to keep living - stay with the friends they've made in this life. So they're reborn as themselves.

But ancestors probably experienced the other two and couldn't, or never wanted to be, reborn like a sky kid since if they could do that, why do we see a few of them dying as being so devastating to the ones who they leave behind? Couldn't they just come back like nothing happened later?

[nimble ingot]

Orbit is pretty empty as is, come to think of it.

I wonder if TGC might consider adding something to it.

Just a suggestion, TGC
(please bring them back )
(talking about the bird)

[sharp lichen]

I have a different interpretation of this, and it’s that the Orbit and Megabird are two separate entities

[nimble ingot]

ooh, that makes sense.

Almost like how a realm has an elder, the 'elder' of Orbit is Megabird?

[storm lava]

I started playing in January this year and never heard about a megabird? Was it featured in a past season? Or did I overlook a reference to it in a cutscene or something?

[sharp lichen]

Megabird seems to be an originator/progenitor of The Light, an an-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world

We see it as a massive supercluster of light in the game at the end credits and in other places I think

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

[nimble ingot]

Megabird is a name for a deity or massive wave of light seen in concept for Sky Light Awaits (the old name for the game before the international release).
Another name would be Bird of Light, though megabird is more known.

You can find reference to it, and many other concept art on Tom Zhao's website.

In the game itself, one can find two recognisable images of megabird. The first is in the water surrounding the portal to the Office (a secret area that opens to the public during events, and only lets beta players in outside of events). The other is in Orbit (simply look up and you may see a cluster of starts that make up the figure.

while the name implies a bird like being, the shape of megabird is a bit different, lol.
Here is an example from Tom Zhao's gallery.

[storm lava]

Ooh thanks for all the mega bird info everyone!! Seems really interesting. It would be cool if it got its own season story or something. I am intrigued and want to know more 😅

[sharp lichen]

Megabird is also referenced in the murals of the Forgotten Ark

[inner basalt]

mellow musician? nah that’s melon musician(please do not take this seriously)

[nimble ingot]

This is lorechat. We get into a lot of shenanigans

[storm lava]

Ok also is there lore for the giant walking around in the office? Or is it a reference to something? Or is he just a guy? Lol

[sharp lichen]

Probably the latter

[tepid veldt]

theyre a silly goose

[rustic glen]

I don't know if this is the best place to ask for this, but is there any collection (google drive carpet, dropbox link, etc) with the staff's official art? I'm particularly interested in the art from the seasonal spirit charts

[sharp lichen]

Check pibe maybe

[sterile orchid]

do you mean pins??

[hushed steeple]

I don't if this is the best place to ask but when will rallying thrillseeker be available again?? i really wanna get the pants

[wild pasture]

Nobody knows. Will have to wait for TGC to make them come back.

[ocean saddle]

so true. natural sky shenanigans

[lusty merlin]

TS system is completely random, unless we’re lucky the next group TS with assembly is santuary there’s no way to know when they’ll be back

[raw crypt]

Here’s a masterpost of seasonal concept art: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

as well the korean assembly concept arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wY7KcmVeu3PTqm-a2Ap_xzZ8caAuzbZv

enjoy the concepts!

[nimble ingot]

Here is a thought.
We have seen spirits mend relationships and become friends in Sky.

Seeing the game is altruistic (selfless or caring of others before yourself), how would the game introduce a situation where a spirit is an outcast?

Would they miss the friend they lost?
Would they be able to become friends once more?
Or would the spirits learn to forgive but choose to go their separate ways?

[sharp lichen]

As in an ostracized spirit? That could be really interesting. We have had spirits who have been confronted by war or tragedy, but not society as a whole

[nimble ingot]

The closest we may have to a spirit that is like that would be slouching soldier, or the wounded soldier (although this may be because of guilt and not rejection from a group).
Also, aside from the King and possibly Dawn elder.

[sterile orchid]

what's that last line about, raider?

[raw crypt]

man im so hungry

mellonw:

how hungry

[nimble ingot]

The King likely have messed up with the Eden explosion, which may be a reason the elders sealed Eden away.

Dawn has been speculated to be distant from the other elders. though this is based on the elder's mask missing on the Eden gate, the elder seemingly not involved with Dawn as much as with other realms. And Dawn being th only realm (aside from Eden) to not have season quests in it.

[terse agate]

I went to eden yesterday when i was ascending big fish destroyed a building this got me thinking did the light creatures had enough and decided to destroy eden and the diamond so they can finally ascend and stop being used as fuel by the kingdom

[fickle wing]

mellow the type of person to use the 13 in 1 soap

[raw crypt]

mellow should meet lamplighter

[fickle wing]

scrambling to find the lamp vs gloat meme

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly, in old lore concept art. It was implied that certain light creatures would have become hostile and destroy buildings.

In the current game though, it is more plausible for the whale charging through the building be simply a matter the whale was trying to ascend as well, and the building got in its way.

[brisk python]

maybe that whale is the same one from forest's boneyard

[fickle wing]

love wins (?)

[raw crypt]

LOVE WINS

WAIT SORRY I JUST NOTICED PEANUT BUTTER

[keen shore]

dishwasher detergent…

[keen shore]

Not against flight guide 😈

[sterile orchid]

peanut butter
Gatorade
does that last one say MILK??

[fickle wing]

gloat n lamp date night gloat spends 3 hours alone getting ready to go out while lamp is left waiting

[sharp lichen]

WHY DOES GLOAT HAVE A NOSE BUT LAMP DOESNT

[earnest briar]

It does. And now I want to know how it can be used as milk, Gatorade, and peanut butter all at the same time.

[nimble ingot]

That is possible.
I would say the one we see on the way to wasteland at least is likely the same one we see on the way to orbit.

In concept art and during the game development, I observed how the devs at one point planned for a large creature to follow along with the skykids through the realms. Where it once foreshadowed a massive fight with the King (back when the King was planned to be in the game).

Between updates since then, the creature changed from an eel like creature to the whale we know today. Some places it would have made an appearance either were never implemented, or removed. And it seems like that small side plot fell into obscurity.
Where only see the whale in certain areas, and seemingly with no reason to be there other than something interesting for skykids to see. And the remnants of the supposed lost concept from Light Awaits.

[raw crypt]

The valley elders actually have noses under their mask! and gloat reuses the spikey hair elder model (if ur looking for a serious answer)

[nimble ingot]

Because gloat wants to be the 'handsomest man' on the island.

It is a unique detail though for sky characters to have a detailed nose.

[untold notch]

don't the Aurora spirit cards have noses or was that just something lc went insane over when they got released

[raw crypt]

YEA THEY DO

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[untold notch]

maybe it's both answers actually

[keen shore]

They do! Ancestors likely had noses, eyebrows, ears, and mouths; they’re just not rendered in game due to a polygon limit. I personally believe they had human shaped eyes as well and the diamond shape is there for the same reason, however, it just depends on what you think

[untold notch]

plogon limit 💔

[raw crypt]

i like drawing them without noses but ill still write them smelling liek i cant pick a side either, i even remove gloats nose in art, ur not special

[brisk python]

sah and mehk dual face reveal (not clickbait) 11!

[keen shore]

We know from in game that ancestors can hear things AND eat things but whether they can sniff or not is to be determined

[keen shore]

Gloat uses Sah’s model?? Are you telling me they just made a really small version of Sah and stuck them in a desert somewhere?????

[raw crypt]

YES I AM SAH SO GOOD THEY MADE A SAH TWO AND GAVE THEM THE GREASIEST HAIR KNOWN TO MAN

[sterile orchid]

Gloat's outfit is so valley elders i am Not Surprised that they use the same model at different scales

[keen shore]

A Sahquel..

[brisk python]

this is why i need gloat as a ts
so i can get that outfit and cosplay as mehk

[frigid tinsel]

Gloat is literally wearing their pants

[keen shore]

I knew about the pants but I didn’t know they just copy pasted and shrunk Sah… @lusty merlin what are your thoughts on this

[raw crypt]

consultimh the sah (but not mehk) expert

[keen shore]

Notice how there’s no tlp spirit making fun of Mekh this is because they can do no wrong (wasteland citizens DNI)

[sterile orchid]

SAME OMG I NEED THEM SO BAD i don't have valley constellation completed yet though so i can't get my goal right away and i hate it.

[raw crypt]

tac likes sah more bc theyre both 3 letter names with a in the middle

[lusty merlin]

oh yeah they did that i assume so they didnt have to make a completely new model

its actually how i found out about the nose bumps and realized if gloats model is sahs model, then sah also has a slight nose bump :3

[keen shore]

Im imagining you intently staring at Gloat’s nose to analyze it

[frigid tinsel]

from being bonked in the face a bunch

[raw crypt]

PADDLE ATTACK

[lusty merlin]

help i was drawing a side profile on them and went to them to get ref pics and then noticed the nose

[brisk python]

mehk running towards sah at the speed of light w/ their paddle:

[keen shore]

I wonder why they just shrunk one of the elders for Gloat but didn’t do the same for the other tlp spirits. Possibly just so they didn’t have to model their pants?

[brisk python]

because the valley elders are peak perfection duh /j

[lusty merlin]

yeah that's pretty much on why i think they did it💀

[keen shore]

This is what one of the twins would say. I am now deeply suspicious of you /j

[brisk python]

sah was just so perfect they needed to make two of them :)
valley triplets.

[frigid tinsel]

wheeze

[lusty merlin]

i dont blame them, like adding new mode's means more storage space for the game, so having a unique model for a single spirit couldve been optimized

[keen shore]

Once again Sah is the one chosen to get relentlessly bullied…

[frigid tinsel]

that's what happens when you model your hairstyle after a rock

[lusty merlin]

god this reminded me when i first started sky and one of my old friends told me gloat as their sibling and i was like, so confused

like stated like it was a fact

[keen shore]

New theory, Mekh is the rose (loves divorce)

[brisk python]

listen. sah is just really easy to pick on because mehk actually puts up a fight otherwise

[frigid tinsel]

that would entail Mekh is straight which is very much no

[lusty merlin]

no i agree, they're a loser but they're a cool loser

[raw crypt]

if they shrunk all elders itd be six pants spirits + i guess just some design differences but imagining tlp spirits in elder clothes makes me feel a way

[lusty merlin]

i still botherd the skykid version of gloats pants has our dogs out

[keen shore]

Slouch is sort of in Dusks armor I think

[sterile orchid]

wh
what

[frigid tinsel]

feet

[lusty merlin]

does that mean gloat is barefoot?? cuz why would they deliberately make gloats pants on skykds purposefuly have no shoes ALSO no prostetic arm

[brisk python]

sah is just funnie :)

[raw crypt]

theyve got high heels, i literally have no idea whynthe pants dont, they dont want us to SERVE

[lusty merlin]

YEAH

[keen shore]

high heels are elder exclusive

[raw crypt]

the horrors are indescribable and i cant even SERVE

[sterile orchid]

OH YEAH the lack of boots, i looked at references of this yesterday (drawing sky kids for the first time )

guess i so badly wished they existed that i immediately forgot they did, in fact, not. exist

[lusty merlin]

tsadi took all the heel

[sterile orchid]

maybe if we ever get proper elder pants we'll get the prosthetic arm with it

[halcyon hull]

Why who
This doesn't sound like it's a good shoes for a fight

[frigid tinsel]

Dusk is rocking those high heels, slaying

[lusty merlin]

has to slay fashion wise and physically wise ig

[nimble ingot]

Heels back in the day were once used for riders, as the heels helped with staying on mounts.

Which begs the question, what would Tsadi have as a mount?
(And dont say spider please, lol)

[brisk python]

confirmed
WAIT I NEED TO FIX IT

[frigid tinsel]

Hell

[halcyon hull]

I thought that's going to be Dusk

[sterile orchid]

WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST COME BACK TO CHAT TO???

[halcyon hull]

Something huge enough

[brisk python]

better.

[sterile orchid]

VANNYA WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

[brisk python]

mehk rocking heels! :D

[halcyon hull]

Got revenge

[brisk python]

salem said heels were elder exclusive. i had to act. it would've been a crime not to

[sterile orchid]

i'm getting so loud over how funny this is

[brisk python]

in hindsight i should've put sah in heels but for once we put mehk in the spotlight

[sterile orchid]

to be fair i think Mekh needs more attention than what little they get while in the context of talking about Sah

[brisk python]

exactly
hence: mehk in heels :)

[halcyon hull]

Someone hel me please
Is Resh should be bald or can someone live in his hair?

[lusty merlin]

up to you, if you base it off their early concept designs it seems their head is covered by the star mask or somthing

[raw crypt]

follow ur heart

[keen shore]

I’m suspicious this is the lead up to a ratatouille theory

[sterile orchid]

[raw crypt]

HELP

[sharp lichen]

You thought you could sneak mouths in there without me noticing?!

[sterile orchid]

a WHAT theory? has that happened before?

[keen shore]

How else do you think they ate?

[lusty merlin]

with no context i just imagined a smaller one controlling a bigger one

[raw crypt]

resh was fine but there was a crab controlling their movements

[sharp lichen]

I mean, something very small could probably live in the hair? But a bald Resh just seems odd to me

[keen shore]

peeled :/

[raw crypt]

resh cant be bald bc the kingdom would be distracted by trying to slap the monarchs head

[sterile orchid]

peeled?

[keen shore]

is THAT what happened in isle

[sharp lichen]

How do you think Skykids eat

[brisk python]

get resh some rogaine😭

sky kingdom @ bald resh

[lusty merlin]

however you think, if they just absorb light, that's up to you. If you think they do have mouth's that's also up to you, mouth or no mouth it really comes to personal preference

[sharp lichen]

Mouth discussions are always the funniest

[sterile orchid]

they don't eat, they absorb the food through sheer force of will

[brisk python]

mitosis

[raw crypt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ the moth consumes

man i just am saying things they should hold a vote to kick me outta this chanel

[brisk python]

i do the same thing 💀 except sometimes i interject with terribly thrown together memes (see above)

[keen shore]

Serious answer: most likely they would have moth hair ^^

[sterile orchid]

people just saying things is the best part of being in lore chat

[brisk python]

i love the opportunity to make memes based on convos happening,,,i feel habby making others laugh

[nimble ingot]

Lol
What would be Resh's secret?
(May be it is Maybelline?)

[untold notch]

my secret is that I also do this

[sharp lichen]

I don’t do this enough

[uncut pond]

I know this one message was probably meant as a joke but I just wanna say that I believe that the Eden Elder/King had the moth/default hairstyle (I also just wanted to share this drawing of an hypothetical Eden Elder I made)

wait i just realized the eyes look kinda wrong.., eh i'm too tire now i can fix it tomorrow

[keen shore]

I love this drawinf so much thank you for sharing

[frigid tinsel]

Storm pulled an all-nighter, otherwise they look rad

[sharp lichen]

SEASON OF BELONGING SWEEP

[raw crypt]

OOO i love this!!

[uncut pond]

i was trying to do the eye style that rain and night have but i kinda messed up
Also thanks I've had this idea on my mind for too long and I'm glad others seem to like it

[lusty merlin]

oo yeah when i draw them i make sure the diamond eye is really clear and stuff and kinda acts as an iris than just a pupil if that makes sence

[uncut pond]

I didn't realize until now that the elder irises are diamond shaped... 💀💀

[lusty merlin]

dont worry I thought they we're circle too for a long while i got so used drawing them that way that when i did noticed i was SO confused

[uncut pond]

Yea... Some details really are small but when you notice them it feels like a big revelation

[lusty merlin]

god yeah, me with sah's crack on their mask, i was floored

[uncut pond]

THEY HAVE A CRACK ON THEIR MASK??

[lusty merlin]

YEAH I HAVE PHOTOS LET ME FIND

[sterile orchid]

WAIT WHAT

HOW HAVE I NEVER NOTICED ANY OF THIS BEFORE

[lusty merlin]

HERE ITS LIKE SUPER FAINT AND WERE NEVER GIVEN A CLOSEUP. LIKE I DIDNT KNOW THEY AND MEKH HAD PROSTETICS TILL I WENT TO THE ELDER ROOM OOB

[untold notch]

tac has inspected the valley elders thoroughly to make as much art of sah as possible

[lusty merlin]

Super crunchy but you can also see it here in the wip of their cutscene

[uncut pond]

How could I not have noticed this before 😭 this is actually crazy

[lusty merlin]

It’s like why I draw Sah with a crack on their mask and a scar when I do them maskless (my pfp isint a good example as I forgo💀)

[sterile orchid]

Oh yeah that!! I thought it was just where two sections were put together like sky kid's masks 💔 never thought it could be a crack in it

[lusty merlin]

Nah I don’t blame you, the crack is practically invisible in their cutscenes. Like you can’t even tell the twins have prosthetic arms unless you oob to get super close to their model’s

[uncut pond]

Thank you for this amazing revelation about Sah, I shall use this new knowledge for evil purposes

[untold notch]

(fun fact samekh have prosthetics and they also are different they are not identical models for some reason)

[fickle snow]

I love that all of a sus den it. Went from lore chat, to sky sketches to lorechat and backagain

[sterile orchid]

When y'all told me that they had prosthetics I went so hard into just. Staring at them as they move around in the cutscene instead of looking up anything or asking for an image of it

[lusty merlin]

Yaya they have their differences too! Mekhs is more detailed when Sah’s is more simple

Also different body types which makes me happy as it solidifies they’re not carbon copies of one another

[fickle snow]

How do i get there

[uncut pond]

Oh wow I also didn't notice their prosthetics looked so different. What the Hell

[lusty merlin]

look up elder room oob on YouTube, you need a friend with piggyback to do a trick to glitch out the map

[lusty merlin]

YAY I LOVE THE DETAILS SM! I think they’re gloves are also different but I’d have to double check

Wait yeah this image worlds, mekhs gloves are fingerless when Sah’s on their real hand is but the one on their prostetic only has their thumb sticking out

[sterile orchid]

They're fingerless gloves?? How do you see that in that image????

[lusty merlin]

I’ll outline hold on

[untold notch]

magnifying glass because as we know tac is very normal about these two

[sterile orchid]

It seems every time, I learn something new about the smaller details that are impossible to notice and yet tac has noticed

[lusty merlin]

ok so like

it really comes down to the hue difference, on sahs prosthetic the blueish hue of their glove compared to the brown of their skin goes down all their fingers except their thumb, when their other hand doesn't do that. Same for mekhs

i blame the lantern lighting as they do almost blend so it's hard to tell

[sterile orchid]

Yeah I can't see a color difference at all

[untold notch]

honestly same idk how you do it but you always manage to do it

[sterile orchid]

Are you working on something in the background of that outline screenshot?

[lusty merlin]

color ayin :3

[sterile orchid]

OOH

[lusty merlin]

i blame myself being an artist of letting me have a fine eye for color changes

[raw crypt]

some of lore chats strongest soldiers are from people who fixate on a spirit who make 1001018 theories to talk abt them its great

[sterile orchid]

I should also have that but I don't
Maybe if I wasn't looking at it on my phone I would be able to see it a bit more my phone screen is like, always on a warm tone so that's probably messing with it

[lusty merlin]

oh yeah that could be it, im on my laptop so it could be bigger screen = better resolution

[pastel brook]

i was dreaming of this!

???

[sterile orchid]

I'll look at it on my tablet screen when I'm done coloring this thing on stream

[pastel brook]

heeheehee

Are dark creatures a natural evolution?

[untold notch]

ok im out of the car and I can kinda see it

[sterile orchid]

i decided to pause stream to look at it and like. i actually see it? definitely needed it pointed out though

[lusty merlin]

i find alot of details about the twins are suptle

another elder funfact but there actually no outline showing where teth's shoes end, its just heel i suppose it wasn't added because they're feet are hidden like 98% of the time

[sterile orchid]

what?

[lusty merlin]

yeah like??? theres no outline showing where they end
i have yet to go to eden but i will get a pic when i ascend

also tsadi and i believe sahmekh are the only elders that have their diamonds with the <> (minus the twins) on their front and back, the other elders dont

[sharp jasper]

Can anyone tell can i buy season cosmetics free with candles only?

[sterile orchid]

i'm always so incredibly confused by the images of Teth in Orbit that i've seen like. why are they all so blurry,,

[lusty merlin]

#questions-and-help and #seasons-events-chat works better for this but you need seasonal candles not regualr candles

[sharp jasper]

@lusty merlin ok but i am asking for season pass cosmetics not free ones

[lusty merlin]

then need a season pass then, both use seasonal candles

[sterile orchid]

this is lore chat,, we can't help you about game stuff unless it's related to the story of it. what you're asking about is not a lore question

[sharp jasper]

@sterile orchid i can understand

[lusty merlin]

an add on but the elder uniforms interest me, cuz like diamonds are a big thing and is like nearly elder exclusive (minus flight guide and possibly remberance guide) remindes me when purple was so valuable that only royalty could wear it (i dont think it was like a "only we can wear this and you cant" but more of it having a heavy occasion with the elders, which is cool and i'd love to know why someday

[pastel brook]

What was the Ancestor form of currency?

[lusty merlin]

FUNFACT compared to the twins uniform, gloats uniform on where the diamond should be is removed and is replaced with the light core all ancestors have! so like the diamond being assosiated with elders is definitely intentional

i go back and fourth if the diamonds are the elders own type of light core yet you have tsadi with theirs on the cape so its hard to tell

now that i think about it it could be why darkstone are shaped like diamonds! It couldve been found and given the approval to start production by the elders, so the shapes being diamonds and not like circles or other shapes could be for that reason as a reminder of the orign in a way! or im looking to deep into it

[halcyon hull]

Sah has broader shoulders and Mekh has wider hips

[untold notch]

yeah sahs waist is like snatched actually

[lusty merlin]

oh my god their side view in orbit when you make them t-pose is insane, sah's waist is just snatched compared to mekh's (also sah is like a few inches taller mekh too but idk if that's weird ground level)

also yeah if you wait like 50 minutes in orbit after summoning the elders like most of them will tpose extect of ayin and teth

[sterile orchid]

THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS GOT THE TPOSING MEMES

[lusty merlin]

YEAH

[halcyon hull]

Titanic

[frigid tinsel]

your phone has a high chance of overheating though

[sterile orchid]

man i have to look at that later. i'll try to remember next time i go visit

[lusty merlin]

Salem lovingly drew Tpose Sah cuz I edited this image so it just had Sah in it, the premise I’d use it for evil (xeir words, and I do)

[lusty merlin]

Yeah issue is like waiting a near hour and making sure you phone doesn’t turn off, it takes awhile but it’s worth it

[sterile orchid]

i play on switch in a room that's almost always freezing cold so i should be fine

[pastel brook]

Did you say pods? Like, peas in a pod? Peas...

[halcyon hull]

Shut

[pastel brook]

wow, I love this!

[fickle snow]

Not again

[sterile orchid]

THIS ISN'T SEC

i wanted to say that we can't escape the peas here

[lusty merlin]

Oh fluffy since your here this is what I mean! Like it’s just shoe for teth, no beginning or end

I thought they’d had boots then but no there’s like no line indicating where the shoe ends

Reminds me of those shoe pants

Teth pulls up with these💀

[sterile orchid]

yeah i see what you mean there that looks. weird without the definition of where the shoes are.

by the way, do you happen to have a clear picture of their whole pose there, everything i've found has been super blurry and i'm so confused how they're standing, but don't have Forest completed to check myself

[lusty merlin]

NO GOD I KNEW I FORGOT SOMTHING💔💔

[sterile orchid]

IT'S OKAY I'M SURE I'LL FIND IT EVENTUALLY

[lusty merlin]

Hmm I haven’t botherd to collect my winged light tho hold on

[sterile orchid]

,, are you going through eden again? just for one picture?

[sterile orchid]

I LOVE THIS REACTION IMAGE

[lusty merlin]

SAME

also would it be alright to ping you in #screenshots-and-videos ? just don't wanna clog the chat so much

[sterile orchid]

yeah that would be fine

[ocean saddle]

SAME LMAO

[halcyon hull]

Why do I have feelings what they look tired

[floral skiff]

Guys I thought the season of remembrance was going to reveal more about the kingdom but the stories of these spirits were pretty good too

[halcyon hull]

Yes they did

[floral skiff]

What?

[sterile orchid]

yes, they did.. what?

[cold sparrow]

They did, at the very least, reveal some about how life was like in the kingdom during some of it's most uneasy times
showing oppressive guards that common people have to cower and hide from
that arrest seemingly innocent people, and attack with no regard for collateral damage

[floral skiff]

collateral damage?

[sterile orchid]

attacking wounded warrior and their friend, but killing the plant seller in the process

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! Like the fact we get personal glimpses of spirits that were affected by the war really shows that the war itself wasn’t only just a huge battle, it ran deep. Like pleading child’s parent was arrested out of nowhere and they were just playing with pleading

And like you could say they could’ve done something to warrant the arrest offscreen but we would’ve atleast get some sort of hint. Veterans memory legit spanned years watching their kid grow up and be sent to war, yet pleading and their parent were just playing with their stuffed animals when boom, arrest. Sad thing is that stuff happens irl too so it doesn’t really stray far from what can happen to others :(

[floral skiff]

i didn't see the trailers for the season and assumed we'd be seeing an eden before the cataclysmic event

[lusty merlin]

Ah well shattering has that covered somewhat so I don’t think we’ll be getting more eden related stuff for awhile

[floral skiff]

Has there been a season about the sky kids themselves?

Maybe the answer to everything is in us

[lusty merlin]

Not that I know, like if you mean more In depth information on what they are, technically a performance quest very loosely does somthing with it but it seems to be framed more as a once upon a time story. Other than that not really

What we already got in game about them is what we get sadly (like the isle intro mural sequence and traveling to eden to ascend)

[floral skiff]

if the theory that we're a fragment of the king is true we could maybe look deep inside and find out what happened

[lusty merlin]

Only time will tell them if tgc ever decides to to that 🎉

Why was my message removed help?

Anyways: Guess only time will tell if the devs decide to do that (OH THERE IT IS, blaming my wifi)

[sterile orchid]

i feel like the biggest lore drops will come in another Eden-based season but who knows how long that'll take to get here

[cold sparrow]

it's worth noting that Sky tends to tell smaller stories, rather than the big whole
we get to see how things affected the spirits, and get to theorize about what happened beyond that
seasons that tell sth about the big picture are rare and more abstract (Shattering and Aurora)

[lusty merlin]

That too, like even massive things like seeing the war in action is contained to one person or a brief scene so ig something like that would be broken down in a similar way

[floral skiff]

How accurate is the sky fandom wiki when it comes to spirit memories?

[lusty merlin]

Never read it so I assume it’s mostly accurate. I’d just relive the spirits if you have doubts on what happens

[halcyon hull]

What have you done
I want to draw them now

[ocean saddle]

why is this channel being used as some natural sky shenanigans corner when it's not active

[eternal anchor]

The ancestor spirits dont want you to know this but the krill in the wastelands are free. You can take them.

[past fjord]

Fun fact: Did you know that the king krill or the big giant monster for the final quest of the abyss season that might give you a thalassophobia is not alone, there were two of them, and it is the one sitting at the far distance that you may thought as an island but it is not

and as for the other one, well it is locked up or just circling around beneath the abyss

and its alive because it is moving its tail

[ocean saddle]

WHERE DID THEY FOUND THAT

[past fjord]

It is found in the abyss, you need to climb up to the tallest tower and find a looking island in the distance however it is not an island of which you thought it might be but it is not, as a matter of fact, it is the other one

[grim python]

I don’t think that’s actually canon xd I think it’s just a cutscene asset they put far away behind the wind wall

Not sure why they didn’t just hide it under the map or something but whatever

[somber moss]

Im gonna miss remembrance-
I feel like now teabrewer is now a big sister/mom figure to pleading childdd That ending scene made me so happy and im glad the spirits helped eachother cope

[halcyon hull]

can diseases from darkness be transmitted through a kiss?

[round parrot]

what.

[halcyon hull]

What?

[somber moss]

OOOH vet and warrior too, I feel like warrior is probably around the same age as vet’s child when they went out to war to fight so he probably sees his son in him now jbsjhsjhs found family my beloved

[round parrot]

elaborations?

[halcyon hull]

Idk

I just like the fact they could exist

[round parrot]

uhhhh
since darkness is speculated to act like fungi, the spores would rather transmit through air. but i guess "a kiss" could also work. idk.

[sharp lichen]

Probably not, since the blow kisses we see in game are purely cosmetic, since they don’t have mouths

[nocturne yoke]

wait skids don't have mouths???

[untold notch]

(f)unrelated fact: 451°F is the temperature at which paper burns

[sharp lichen]

At least that’s what I theorize

[nocturne yoke]

ohh ~~i was just gonna ask we do we eat ~~

[untold notch]

it's not shown but it could be, it's probably similar to ancestors/elders not having visible mouths

[nocturne yoke]

now this is just making me wonder more about what's under a skid's mask

[past fjord]

I dont think I have seen any cutscenes from abyss seasonal quests that comes along with this?

the first time we see the big giant krill is at the bottom of the sea and at the final cutscene too where it is far down the abyss.

[grim python]

I think it’s just where they store the one swimming in the tank during one of the quests, im guessing it just has to be loaded in the level some way or another or stuff breaks

[past fjord]

if so, we can still able to see that one particular giant krill sitting there without even yet having to start the quest.

then it should remain to be swimming in tank if that is the case.

[grim python]

weird it’s supposed to be out there then?? But why

[supple agate]

The leviathan was honestly super scary but I’m a little sad we didn’t do more with it, imagine like a pseudo boss fight or stealth section

[grim python]

it was just nice to see something that wasn’t a krill or crab for once even if it was entirely scripted lol

[supple agate]

Yeah, I do kinda wish we had more stuff about fighting off the darkness, even if it’s not actual combat

The shattering was an interesting idea, and the end of the Season of Flight had that cool sequence with the Great Manta

[junior elk]

Hi! i'm looking for infomation on the golden wasteland and how it became a wasteland/ruin! (I wanna try fan concept art)
If anyone has info on the lore feel free to dm!

[halcyon hull]

War

[junior elk]

Do you have any other information? 😅 war doesn’t really explain the huge bones or claw marks around the areas

[round parrot]

Civil war but creatures wanted to join in

[halcyon hull]

Claw?

[halcyon hull]

I fish there was gigant bears

[junior elk]

Whut

[frigid tinsel]

Pollution from power diamond industry and war

[junior elk]

Nvm- forget i asked lmao

[untold notch]

alright?

I think considering how far away the treasure isles are from the rest of golden wasteland it's possible that there's a different reason that building is like that but I don't know for certain

[sharp lichen]

Evidence for mouths:

Skykids eat food, and so did Ancestors and Elders presumably.

Skykids have a rebreather on the exact position of the mouth.

The Blow Kiss emote could not exist if mouths did not exist.

Skykids use wind instruments, which require mouths

Evidence against mouths:

Even when maskless, Skykids and Spirits do not have visible mouths.

Skykids absorb wax, so they could probably absorb food the same way.

Aurora and The Little Prince do not have mouths in Sky, even when they do in real life.

[sharp lichen]

I think this could be a Krill attack

[brisk python]

i distinctly remember seeing the little prince's model having a mouth though. it was a small little frown

[mighty wind]

power diamond industry? ive never heard of that part of sky

[sharp lichen]

ANOTHER SALEM??

[untold notch]

I don't think the little prince is a skykid tho

[supple agate]

So, based on the location’s aesthetics and general vibe…

It was likely once a hub of industry and power for the ancients, sequestered away from the kingdom so it wouldn’t disturb the commoners, but close enough to the vault so the two could work hand in hand on research into both light and dark. Of course, over time the wasteland’s landscape became more polluted due to the industry present, and this ended up attracting Crabs, Krill, and other beings of darkness, attracted to the light within the vault. So it was also used as a fortress to protect the vault. Come the Shattering, many fled to the vault for cover as age and pollution overtook the facility, and many creatures of both light and dark would perish in the struggle. Some would attempt to use ships to flee, some more successful than others. However it seems to be mostly localized to the factory as the research facility found in Treasure Reef seemed to be almost entirely unaffected

[sharp lichen]

Oh right, but Aurora still has no mouth, at least from what I think

[supple agate]

Bold of you to assume anything in the sky has a mouth

[raw crypt]

This is really old concept art, but it’s theorized creatures that died unnaturally say from pollution or attacked may have left bones behind from this concept art, but since it’s so old please take it with grains of salt^^

It’s likely some creatures got caught up in the war or were part of it, as seen with the mantas in seed of hopes memory, iirc the large skeletons resemble the whales, it was likely they resided there before everything happened :(

[junior elk]

it could be but krills dont have claws that would make that

[junior elk]

thank you! this helped put it into better perspective

[sharp lichen]

They have those little strand arm leg thingies, though

[sharp lichen]

Here, in the Treasure Reef murals we see Ancestors mining out diamond stones. If you notice, these stones appear almost everywhere in Sky, being used to open doors.

[junior elk]

I dont think krills are big enough though

[sharp lichen]

I guess the elder krill/ leviathan? That’s really the only creature big enough then

[junior elk]

myabe those krills you see after entering that void place after red shards 🤨

[mighty wind]

OH I see hmm

that makes sm more sense wow i didnt know it had an whole industry i thought most stuff would be natural to a degree

very interesting

[sharp lichen]

They also harvested mantas to charge power diamonds as well

[mighty wind]

you mean like kill them or.. just use them

[keen shore]

ANOTHER SALEM

[untold notch]

I think you two have to fight now

[mighty wind]

there can only be one! /j

[untold notch]

well don't tell birdlem that actually maybe don't fight

[keen shore]

Okay but what if we teamed up instead

[frigid tinsel]

Reminder dont ping me, says so in my name

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the image in question. It’s up to your interpretation what horrible fate befell the mantas…

[frigid tinsel]

That is not the whole image

[keen shore]

Most likely kill them, unfortunately. It could have started as just draining them of light periodically and keeping them around like livestock, but considering how much resources that would take, I’d be very surprised if they didn’t end up killing the mantas.

We don’t know for sure though, since mantas (and light creatures in general) rarely leave bones behind when they die, and mantas are small enough they could’ve easily been disposed of

[earnest briar]

Ah yes the parent Salem teaching the younger Salem how to lore.

[mighty wind]

Man thats kinda dark :0 sounds like they werent all that great ..
I always assumed that the elders (or whoever orderded that to happen) has some respect for the light creature
just by the memories but wow thats horrible :(

[frigid tinsel]

The other Treasure Reef murals that show parts of the power diamond manufacturing process that occurred at least there

[sharp lichen]

It’s likely that the elders have differing opinions. The Isle and Prairie Elder probably loved light creatures, since they created them, but the folks in Wasteland were probably doing whatever they could to survive

[keen shore]

Just like humans, ancestors and elders weren’t a monolith. They seem to be metaphors for how we treat our world and the creatures within it; one of the major themes in Sky is a condemnation of human destruction of the environment

[mighty wind]

Oh right yeah i suppose the lack of light source cause the folk of the wasteland to do whatever they had to

also yeah other salem that makes sense, each elder seems to teach/represent something

[earnest briar]

Personally I believe that all the Elders had a respect for Light Creatures, but because their new way of life needed light and Light Creatures were the most easily accessible source, they gave the go ahead to start harvesting from them. (Sans Isle.) At first they would try to take as little as possible but as demand for power diamonds increased they were forced to take more and more light from the creatures until they took so much that the Light Creatures couldn’t survive it.

[frigid tinsel]

You can show respect for the animals you kill. Many indigenous communities had rituals around hunting and ensured they used every part of the animal so no part of their death went to waste. We can respect the animals that died to bring meat and other products to our dining tables

However with industrial agriculture, that respect seems minimal when treating livestock to inhumane factory farming conditions. Considering how mantas were captured and caged as shown in the Aurora concert

[rigid mural]

idea of fortune dragon whale came up with some friends, imagining ancestor festivals now

[fickle wing]

MANIFESTING AT THE MENTION OF ANCESTOR FESTIVALS N CELEBRATIONS

[rigid mural]

oh my god there's a third salem in lore chat

[keen shore]

YES I LOVE THIS IMAGE SO MUCH YELLING SO HARD OVER IT

[mighty wind]

man thats rlly sad , i honestly knew the lore was dark but not this dark
esp when you consider that the lightcreatures (manta esp) help us so much

waa i feel so connected to them thats very sad

[sharp lichen]

||As much respect as a murderer can for their targets||, but we’ll save that discussion for later

@mighty wind At least now the light creatures are safe

[rigid mural]

is ok you can honk at mantas in the citadel, they honk back
beast to beast communication

[earnest briar]

Smaller Manta ones for the children though

[rigid mural]

in my country there's a city where they put up a bunch of lanterns, it's catholic but i like the idea, imagining that a lot of ancestor celebrations that are/were worshipping light involve lighting candles and lanterns

[frigid tinsel]

You misunderstand — there’s a difference between a murderer killing another human being out of malice and hunting & using animals for their materials you need to survive. The former has disrespect for human life. The latter understand the sacrifice needed to survive and respects that animal’s life.

Industrial-scare farming like factory farming or trophy hunting is not the same.

[fickle wing]

flapping me hands at the thought of ancestors having festivals n stuff though like
cant form much of a coherent thought on it but ough
bro festival street food…….

[rigid mural]

BASED
SO SO BASED
STREET FOOD MY EVERYTHING

[mighty wind]

I always wonder were skykids always around or where they made with the soul intent to save sky?

[frigid tinsel]

Chinese paper lanterns

[earnest briar]

Taiyaki but Light Fish shaped

[rigid mural]

"this stuff is too greasy" sorry i cant hear you over me indulging in edible serotonin

[sharp lichen]

I think Skykids were made recently, given that we don’t see them in any spirit memory and they would drastically alter the lore if they were there

[rigid mural]

flying lanterns too

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that the first skykid aka Chosen One depicted in the Cave of Prophecies murals was the only skykid to exist during the ancestor era

[mighty wind]

yeah that makes sense esp considering they seem to be confused when they are first appear that and the fact they relive the memories

[keen shore]

Wasteland’s darkness seems partially caused by both the storm around Eden and the pollution resulting from darkstone refineries such as treasure reef (where they drained mantas of light to put it in darkstone) which means it wasn’t always there. My personal interpretation is that Wasteland was meant to mirror the darkstone overconsumption of places like Valley and Vault; all that charged darkstone had to come from somewhere and Wasteland was just the realm that bore the brunt of all those practices.

[rigid mural]

oh my god imagine ancestors comparing flying lanterns to the stars, and that comparison becomes bittersweet as they lose sight of the real deal

[fickle wing]

YEAHHHH
thinking of. Depending on where the festival takes place n all how there’d be all these vast arrays of food maybe with valley having a blend of it all n maybe the ocasional spin on things since i like to think of it as a bit of a melting pot when it comes to culture

[keen shore]

ushering stargazer?

[fickle wing]

thinking abt food in sky is one of my favorite thinfs im going to bite something like a feral animal let loose into a grocery store at the tender hour of 4 am

[frigid tinsel]

Floating lanterns crashing back down, unable to penetrate the overcast sky

[rigid mural]

👀
thinking abt prairie stuff being like, homegrown with lots of fruits bc they're basically candy
valley would have a wide array of food to show off wealth and isle would have so much spicy stuff

[sharp lichen]

Oh right, the King was probably a wingless skykid

[frigid tinsel]

Season of Agriculture when?

If it were an actual thing, watch them pull a 180 on our expectations and put in Wasteland instead of Prairie.
Oh

[rigid mural]

YOU.

[earnest briar]

Light orb dango. Candy shaped like Mantas. Little edible sugar sculptures shaped like birds. Street tacos shaped like whales. And even round cakes shaped like Wooly Mantas.

[rigid mural]

i forgot what street food was in mexico but it smelled so good, i bet valley has that

[earnest briar]

Omg

Churros shaped like Sunset’s paddles

[frigid tinsel]

churros

[rigid mural]

i think they had corn too, and something that was cooked in pork grease

In my city I sometimes find people selling grilled chestnuts as street food in winter; a bit too dry for my taste but it's warm

[earnest briar]

oooo

[untold notch]

isle too

[keen shore]

valley rock candy…

[rigid mural]

do you think the assembly scouts sell crab-shaped cookies

[keen shore]

No but i think the guide makes soup in their hat

[untold notch]

they better clean that thing

[earnest briar]

soup head

[serene light]

What a convenient way to store kitchen basics

[grim python]

if I had a nickel for every weirdly specifically placed claw mark with no explanation I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but weird that it happened twice

[keen shore]

Those are in stone how did it happen

[lusty merlin]

Ayin was just sharpening their claws dw about it

[junior elk]

i'll add that to my list of concept creatures to draw lmao

[fickle wing]

teth visited and they got a little silly (cat)

[fickle snow]

This and the comment above, yeeees, finally someone more sees it like that 🥹🥹🥹🥹

[fickle snow]

(Idk if im pinging) i just noticed, that the huge thing in yhe bottom might be the huge krill,so i think they were also draining them from@their light, but just as dragons, at somme point, it colapsed and turned into darkness creature

[halcyon hull]

And not a human

[sharp lichen]

It’s very, very weird that the little prince has a mouth but Aurora doesn’t

[halcyon hull]

Well maybe he just likes cacao

[halcyon hull]

Well now they do
Probably

[nimble ingot]

Did someone say cacao?
My favourite lore flavour, chocolate. 🍫

[sharp lichen]

Ice cream would probably be incredibly popular in Sky

Imagine local ice cream freezers in Valley, then flavored and sold at the nearest marketplace

Uh oh, ice cream discussion? That means milk has to come somewhere

[fickle snow]

Noooo

[frigid tinsel]

Mantas can be milked

[sharp lichen]

I mean I guess so

[nimble ingot]

Found a solution!

Coconut Milk, Almond Milk, there are many alternatives to having milk.
And the ancestors would likely have discovered milk through growing plants in Daylight Prairie.
That could also be what theoretically be in the jars in Day.

[untold notch]

I'd imagine they're butterflies like we see in other places or that most of those jars are empty

[nimble ingot]

Well, on a serious note, you are not wrong.

In lore discussions, there has been evidence in concept art and in the game that implies the jars contain butterflies. As the butterflies hold light.
Either that, or the ancestors collect and transport the butterflies for other reasons. However a common theory is they are used like batteries.

[untold notch]

there are non dairy ice creams

sorbet, for example, is a non-dairy alternative to ice cream

and truthfully I'd much prefer thinking about how fruit fits into sky lore than milk

[sharp lichen]

Oh god not fruit

[nimble ingot]

lol, perhaps save it for june? /j

[sharp lichen]

The existence of fruit requires the existence of fruit trees

[untold notch]

any month can be pride month if you're consumed by hubris

-resh, probably

[lusty merlin]

I’d assume they just exist? Like we have the orange cosmetic from the office and they look like near identical to one irl

Maybe certain foods have their own sky spin but other than that I can see them being the same

Like I don’t see a reason why fruit and vegetables wouldn’t exist in sky

[untold notch]

scarecrow farmer is just that, a farmer, so there's definitely agriculture

[raw crypt]

the kingdom fell to ruins because theg didng have bananas

[untold notch]

appropriate size L for a lack of bananas

[nimble ingot]

I hope to see scarecrow have a field full of crops some day.

[south saddle]

it's us, we are the fruit

[raw crypt]

i kindof wanna be active here again but im not sure what smth good would be to discuss, i noticed today that you can actually see other spirits in the middle platform of warriors memories in two scenes

as well just a general observation that wounded struck me as younger, both in their behaviour and design, their cape especially seems a bit ill fitted for them, it makes me think since they were younger, they were more easily swayed by the idea of being able to make a change or help in the war, and the gear was meant for someone older or belonged to someone else at first, they just seem very inexperienced and was caught off guard by the spirits coming back after they ‘scared them off’

teabrewer also struck me as a young adult, but older than warrior, i think it really shows that people of all ages are affected by this, from children to older folk

im glad tgc finally shed light on a topic like this, I do sometimes wonder certain things about why, who and what of the war, but I understand why they keep that a bit ambiguous to focus more on the tragedy of the war and how it hurts people

my jaw dropped when i noticed the spirits throwing spears, because on a first time watch youll be focused on the flowershop and it’s just. man

[keen shore]

I agree with you; Wounded Warrior definitely seems younger in their memories, even experienced with battle in general. They didn’t even consider that the other soldiers might come back to the village they were presumably defending with stronger weapons instead of just running away and never coming back. If this was their first time in battle, I wonder about their gear because the damage to it doesn’t quite match what happened in their memory

[untold notch]

and the stuff like their mask being too big for them

[vocal forge]

Now I’m more curious. I always supposed that it was a war between the creatures and the spirits. But now it seems like there was a Great War and divide between the spirits themselves which opens up the question why? Why in great heavens were they scuffling? And over what?

My best guess I suppose if I had to take a gander would be resources mayhaps even how much as dark crystals didn’t seem like a renewable source but heck what do I know?

[frigid tinsel]

Power diamond/darkstone technology manufacturing also seems to have caused a great deal of pollution, which wasn’t good for the people who lived there (Wasteland)

[pastel brook]

can sky constellations go in retrograde?

[ocean saddle]

what

[sharp lichen]

We do see some evidence. In the war, we see two types of shields, a sun logo, and a diamond logo.

[balmy spoke]

makes me wonder, we see the diamond logo a lot, the one above grandma fire and on the ancestors iirc, though i never paid attention to another logo existing

[sterile orchid]

Yeah I don't think we see the sun icon on anything but the shields, that's interesting

[frigid tinsel]

Prairie village docks

[old moth]

Young men are exactly the people drafted to fight in wars. It's easier to recruit young people to do all sorts of things, and armies know to take advantage of it.
And the longer a war goes on, the more chaotic things get, and things like the age of soldiers can be forgotten. Not to mention uniforms in the right sizes.

[balmy spoke]

war is older men sending younger men to their deaths, and older men depending on how scraping the barrel it is

[old moth]

I also don't really think there was just one capital W War. Just the name grieving veteran suggests another war during his lifetime before the war his child died in. But other than that, they had a whole history of civilization, and we know they were a lot like us, so I'm sure there were plenty of wars over the years

[native galleon]

hello are we talking about The War
Yeah i agree about wars probably happening before, but for some reason i always assumed that veteran fought in this particular war (the big one that destroyed wasteland) but it was so long and disastrous that by the time their kid grew up it was still going on

[static zephyr]

Hey hey idea the sky kid we see at the concert for the end of ‘run away’ was the king when he was younger!

[old moth]

Good point, that's possible too

[balmy spoke]

The people of sky don't seem that technologically advanced warfare wise, at minimum early medieval, it's possible they could've had a 100 years war

[static zephyr]

Which explains why the GW is well the GW

[balmy spoke]

sieging a fortress then the vault, yeah that isn't going to go fast probably taking a generation

[static zephyr]

AND WAIT what if the vault of knowledge only became the vault because of the war they realized the knowledge was dangerous and locked it away?

[balmy spoke]

maybe not dangerous, it could also be a food thing, say if their is a scarcity of resources and people just put it into a vault... you go get it

it's possible it was a civil war or at least dawn vs gw/vault from the shield patterns atm

[native galleon]

Dawn? ??

[static zephyr]

I thought it was the vault vs the GW

[balmy spoke]

daylight my bad

[native galleon]

imo the juiciest theories point to valley 👀

[static zephyr]

Juiciest theory?

[old moth]

I think the Vault was created not long before the Skykids, actually. By ancestors that wanted to save something of themselves in the form of information. They could be the same one that made the Skykids later, maybe with the hope of concrete help or of some kind of spiritual help

[static zephyr]

Immortalizing them in history in the process

[balmy spoke]

gw faces outwards from the vault, it is the façade of the vault, there isn't a reason to have you're walls that way if you want to attack something in the reverse direction

[static zephyr]

So the battlefield was decoy version of the vault a distraction?

I always thought that those are just the remains of the architect of the GW

[balmy spoke]

battlefield was probably named after the battle..

[static zephyr]

So the ‘golden war’ then

[balmy spoke]

could be

[old moth]

Wait, I thought the different realms were in different times

[balmy spoke]

something of a populist uprising, tragically Eden may have been destroyed to well go wmd style

[static zephyr]

I feel like darkness is a physical manifestation of negative emotions

And light is the opposite being the manifestation of positive emotions

what is there’s also an in between? Not exactly negative or positive,

[balmy spoke]

the diamond is emotionless

[static zephyr]

Exactly

The diamond could be the outcome of a imbalance of emotions being a mixture of both positive and negative emotions the diamond is basically falling apart then putting itself back together that’s why we can’t beat Eden and that’s why the elders could not stop it

Explaining the red rain

Also I think there’s some poetic irony on how when we loose our light completely the last thing we see is the diamond

[balmy spoke]

tbh, the endless nature of the shattering may be a gameplay wise element, however, there isn't any evidence to say we live in a time loop, only in a loop, but we don't feed the diamond, we use its light to super charge us to orbit,

i cant remember but does Eden in the aurora concert have the yellow beam? if so then its possible that was their method of transporting light upwards to the megabird when it was probably very reasonable looking area, but that was probably too resource intensive for the realms below which probably caused the war, the krill did not touch the diamond until after it exploded, so it was a safe location..

[static zephyr]

Idea what if the amount of energy that the diamond has is enough to DESTROY anything that touches it that’s not the sky kid?

We use its energy to take us to orbit

[balmy spoke]

touches is a unreasonable word, krill got really close by using the memory evidence
it exploding was the catastrophic event, it currently, other than the rocks and wind, is probably alright for the touch

[old moth]

It makes sense. I think being indestructible is a major point of Skykids.

[static zephyr]

I mean especially when we go into our fully light form just ask the dark creatures at the end of the fire trial for there approval XD

We just fully Disintegrate them

[old moth]

They're supposed to be able to wander around for ever and ever and help spirits

[static zephyr]

And ‘return them to there home in the stars’

[balmy spoke]

i think the opposite, when we disintegrate, we lose all our light, when we get an influx, we just glow, our capes and looks are all light, what's is but more light than pure glowing light

[cold sparrow]

I don't think we really destroy much of anything in fire trial. I picture the things in fire trial to be more of a construct made specifically for that trial. They're not living beings in any way.
The point of the trial is basically to overcome your fears and these weird things are a representation of that, no more and no less.

[static zephyr]

Touché touché

[balmy spoke]

trials i think are completely different, its also possible the prophecy stuff is entirely a mental gymnastics event rather than any physical location in the world, or even just memory cubes within the shrines doing funky things

[static zephyr]

Also sky kids are able to make small pocket dimension so I would not be surprised if this just existed inside of our head

[balmy spoke]

never underestimate the power of a childs imagination

[static zephyr]

HA god I’m dying XD

Wait on a scale of 1/10 how powerful do you think the sky kids are?

I would say base sky kid 5/10 but

But Eden sky kid 10/10

[native galleon]

hey btw i finished a certain project that this god forsaken chat made me do, how would i go about sharing that

[balmy spoke]

i don't think we are going to use the same powerful terms

[static zephyr]

Probably in #promote-your-sky-content

[native galleon]

no but like. where is the best place to post it? i dont have an ao3 account or anything and i refuse to rejoin tumblr for this

[balmy spoke]

powerful? in what way, being the lowest on the food chain to krill, they can cut the grass i guess (burn the darkness), they can lift 7 other sky kids because light is really light

[static zephyr]

Hmm maybe
we can create pocket dimensions

Turn other materials into others IE darkness into wax
We can run into sold objects going mock 20 and then not even have a scratch

[balmy spoke]

4 can open large stone doors (with gusto), that i'll actually add onto their strength

[balmy spoke]

remember it's not wax in game, that's a community term, its pieces of light that you're collecting from the darkness

[balmy spoke]

light bounces off objects at, well the speed of light, so yeah, that makes sense that we are fine after an impact

[static zephyr]

But we aren’t entirely made out of light it’s believed that our outer body’s are made of clay

(and ever since I figure that out, I can have stop thinking about sky kids just molding there hands into other stuff when they are bored)

[sharp lichen]

I think the trials are physical pocket dimensions, similar to shared spaces but more powerful

[old moth]

When did we create pocket dimensions?

[balmy spoke]

and whoms't else thinks we are clay?

[static zephyr]

Concept art (and I know concept art should not be considered canon but it makes sense)

[sharp lichen]

I mean shared spaces I guess

[balmy spoke]

concept art is not actually lore

[sharp lichen]

Concept art can be used to expand lore

[old moth]

Oh. Well, yeah, because we can do magic

[balmy spoke]

shared spaces uses the same projector in the middle of vault blue is for items, purple for text, just memory cubes, we arnt actually creating anything persay

[static zephyr]

I feel like it’s more of a copy and paste type situation

[balmy spoke]

but it could also just be that, a concept, but not actually true, things change in games development

[static zephyr]

But still we don’t know if the idea was scrapped or not we dont get direct evidence that the sky kid is or is not make of clay

[sharp lichen]

We’re creating it using the shared space spell, and the items within it as well

[old moth]

I don't know if we're made of clay-clay, since we can take a lot of fall damage without breaking, but I do think we are some kind of light powered robots/golems

[balmy spoke]

we are buying it, not creating it, without the sales people we can't do magic,
even the butterfly event, that wasn't magic, it was like it said, a daydream event, i imagine thousands of just skids flying about actually, but they are all pretending to be butterflies, aka, the childs imagination

[sharp lichen]

We’re buying a tool that can be used to create our own shared space

[static zephyr]

But here’s the kicker for the clay idea it says how we are a clay shell with a fire core and what do we pull out of our chest a candle our very core

Which also means when we light other sky kids we are sharing our cores

[balmy spoke]

aye, mini memory cubes.
the shared space projectors and mantern projector are not magical yet they are the same thing that consume light to function for a wee bit, it's magical in that we simply do not understand it probably rather than it being a waved of thing

[sharp lichen]

I never said anything about magical, I said that Skykids create their own pocket dimensions via shared spaces

[static zephyr]

Also the idea of magic is a tad bit complicated our spells seems to need no fuel even tho it’s that new objects can’t be created or destroyed

My idea is that only sky kids with winged light can use spells and use there wings as a fuel source

Or I’m just overthinking it

[balmy spoke]

i don't think pocket dimension is the right word, alternative reality is probably the more correct term (stemming from virtual reality)

[static zephyr]

WAIT IDEA! what if instead of creating a alternate reality, or a pocket dimension we just bend the light around the area

And we do the same process to create objects in the space
Like I said before kind of like a copy and paste situation

[sharp lichen]

From TV tropes:

Pocket Dimensions are spaces that are too small or too easily accessible to be truly considered a separate dimension and are referred to as a small extra pocket of space that is attached to our own.

That fits shared spaces I think

[balmy spoke]

okay, to clear up the term alternative reality i do mean something like how Pokémon go works, that is AR, a device {shared space} is activated for the skid, the blue other than gameplay indicator is also the same colour as the darkness and krill light, i think there is significance there, but other skids can't see it because thats how AR works

[static zephyr]

Skids?

[balmy spoke]

sky kids

[balmy spoke]

great, it more works to trials than shared spaces but i already think that's just imagination at work

[keen shore]

Shared space props seem to be tangible light projected by the darkstone at their center (like a lens for our imagination, almost). Otherwise, if they were just exclusive to us, the spirits wouldn’t be able to see/use them as well

[native galleon]

the concert is its own pocket dimension /j

[balmy spoke]

they are the same assets but smaller as the cosmic manta projectors that feed the bigger projector

[static zephyr]

It makes sense the sky kids are called sky KIDS so I feel like we have a mental capacity of a kid so it would make sense that they have a active imagination and the fact that we are the literal embodiment of light only makes our imagination more powerful and focused

[balmy spoke]

i got my colours mixed up for a moment

[balmy spoke]

yes, i even like the aurora quote of i would rather see this would through the eyes of a childs, aka, our eyes..

[sharp lichen]

They can basically will their imagination into reality, with the help of the shared space

[balmy spoke]

since the world got polluted and all nasty by adults, lets go back to the simpler timers and have fun or experience things in an innocent way again

[static zephyr]

She was also showing us the aftermath of Eden/ the war so it would make sense that she would like to see through our child like imagine

But here’s the thing it’s hinted at the the sky kids are not as childish as they seem they seem to be aware of the dangers and there responsibility of helping the spirits

[balmy spoke]

tbf, we don't know how long they've been doing this

[sharp lichen]

Skykids act maturely, but still like children, those two aren’t mutually exclusive

[static zephyr]

Ok now I’m curious about how many times the sky kid has gone through the cycle before we play as them or is it just there first time being in existence

[balmy spoke]

not sure but falling from orbit and landing in isle happens, it might be us, it might be someone else

[sharp lichen]

It’s implied it’s their first time, I think? From the intro cutscene

[static zephyr]

But wait what if what is guiding use or the voice we hear at the start is the megabird telling us our responsibility and our goal

[balmy spoke]

rephrase that please

[keen shore]

KIND OF. this is very likely our first time doing what skykids we play as do (saving petrified spirits and elders) but this is definitely not our first time within the world itself. We likely helped in some capacity in our first time as well, hence why whoever is doing the intro cutscene knows to ask us again.

I can grab the transcript so y’all can see the exact phrasing of the section we mean

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, please do, I can’t seem to find it

[static zephyr]

Same

[lusty merlin]

Ohh yaya the moth exclusive dialogue is differnt if I recall

[keen shore]

The only section we really need for this discussion and that discusses our ‘return’ is this:

At last, you return to this world. Remember, Child — your **light** is a gift.

Only moths can see this text (I had to make a new account to transcribe it)

The rest is just explaining the basic backstory of the kingdom and our role in helping people. I can copy and paste the rest but it will take a while because it’s a lot of text & discord’s spam filters block messages if I put too much in at once.

[balmy spoke]

i wonder actually
moths are taller than chibi right? i wonder if that chibi who fell in isle was us before?

[static zephyr]

I see what you mean the phrasing is interesting
“Return to this word” is interesting meaning it was not our first time

Also @keen shore you can find the story of the kingdom in the cave at the start of the game

[keen shore]

Yes, I did say that

[balmy spoke]

since no other, as far as we know, even spirits fall in the unique way we do to the ground, the spirits just nyoooom straight down and up, we are still a shooting star

[static zephyr]

We are the living form of a star so it makes sense

[keen shore]

The pronouns used in the explanation that follows imply that the intro’s messenger is either one spirit, multiple spirits, or some spirits + something else. Because of additional context and this, most (including me) theorize that the Light is saying it to us. However, it seems less of a guide as to our purpose and more of a plea, implying that skykids have full agency over the path they choose after falling.

[static zephyr]

They just choose to help the others

[balmy spoke]

maybe this happened, the isle spirit memory, we came down as chibi, we grow up a bit, the eden shard shatters, eventually we return

it explains people who think our moth hair has significance , as how would the spirits know we had this hair if it was our first instance

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I think that too! Like we don’t have to go to eden straight away, we don’t have to help every spirit we see, the choice is ours alone

[static zephyr]

But it’s also implied that the sky kids did not realize how many other sky kids perished in Eden it’s implied that they didn’t have to save them

But in the ultimate act of selflessness we sacrifice our light our life to save the other even though it slowly kills us we commit the ultimate sacrifice to save the others

[lusty merlin]

Hmm thinks of this sentence I did for a one shot cuz I think it explains it perfectly

[lusty merlin]

That too, like it shows you can save the statues but you can just die without even touching another statue, it never forces you to give your wl

[static zephyr]

but that moment always hits different when you realize just how much of a sacrifice you did

[balmy spoke]

i do wonder though actually

the glow in the darkness, the light, that is a winged light, but i do wonder how that was given to us, how it got there, who died for us?

[lusty merlin]

OUGH I HAVE THIS BIG RAMBLE THAT ITS OTHER SKYKIDS WINGED LIGHT GIVEN TO US WHEN WE TURN INTO THE STATUE

LIKE IF WERE TALL OR SHORT THE LIGHT CHANGES WITH US,

[static zephyr]

I believe winged light is the will of the people who perished in Eden there light they end up in places of significance to them

[sharp lichen]

This reminds me of the idea of the “cycle of light”, in which light from old creatures return to the sky and is turned into new creatures, like Skykids.

[static zephyr]

And somehow we are different from other sky kids we can conquer death and whenever we do going to a Center closer to death, we’re going to be like that type of void situation like we see you whenever we perish in Eden

[sharp lichen]

Also the final Shattering memory has a similar scene

[lusty merlin]

Ya here’s a tldr compressed with it attached to the start of the convo

[static zephyr]

And the same thing happened when we were eaten by the krill king in the season of the abyss

[lusty merlin]

Wait how are we different though, all skykids get to orbit the same way so we technically all conquer death. Like I assume every skykid goes through the leviathan aswell, and the eden statues are just other skykids like how we will also be a statue like that

[keen shore]

The moth-exclusive intro calls uncollected WL ‘lost memories’; just dropping that into this convo. This text plays when you approach your first WL on the fallen boat in Isle.

*Seek **Lost Memories** to gather **Winged Light**. Go, Child. The **Kingdom of Sky** awaits your **Light.** Begin by answering the temple’s call.*

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i find that super cool!

[balmy spoke]

i feel like memories is an applicable term, the wl of isle on the rock to temple is the kid in the concerts memory, a strong and powerful enough to make one

or maybe, hmmmmm,, maybe all wl are us? our memories

[lusty merlin]

Wait do you mean the winged like we first encounter is the same kid from the runaway song in aurora?

[balmy spoke]

i would think that too, but the same kid who did that also appears again in the actual concert as another instance

[keen shore]

Could be all remnants of the same being’s memories, kinda like a bunch of spirit memories of the same person

[balmy spoke]

if we assume wl, the lost memories are ours, it would say wonders, like each one is a iterative step

[keen shore]

I think it’s a bit more complicated than a bunch of linear spirit memories given how random they seem to be

[balmy spoke]

yeah, i don't think there is a path persay, it's just, its more/our evidence of being there before

[fluid lily]

The wing we encounter in the orbit is our body combining with our soul isn't it? That boi our first wedge

In the abyss story all the spirits have one wedge on their back. So it's just the body meeting it's soul no?

SORRY TO JUST HOP IN THE COMVO I HOPE ITS OKAY

[lusty merlin]

Ah the wedge on spirits is a confirmed bug that appeared when trying to fix a wl big during performance (wrong reply message help)

[fluid lily]

Ahh. Demn.

[balmy spoke]

the spirit wedge thing is possibly a bug
the wl at orbit is defiantly something we would use if we had no acceded spirits to rexist as light again, otherwise we'd be husks of darkness again. and in the pity room

[lusty merlin]

Ah I like to think the kid in runaway is like youknow, runaway wayfarer. Like every single other aurora sequence shows the respective spirit of that song, and it would be weird if runaway just wasn’t there youknow? Like that would just be a super weird pattern, and it would also mean winged light are just like live beings who were just walking around you know? They were helping a sick ancestor in the sequence too, who eventually died as they were getting off the boat.

Idk I just can’t see the child in runaway being the winged light but instead using the model for simplicity sake and to not like make another new model

[balmy spoke]

i didnt say they where the same?

[lusty merlin]

Oh my god help I thought that’s what you were saying now I’m just kind of confused on what you mean cuz I’m not getting it for some reason

[balmy spoke]

the child might not be us, there could be multiple instance of that event, maybe all children come to stand at that rock and look at the temple

the aurora song spirit is not us for sure

[lusty merlin]

So like do you mean if multiple skykids pass a spot enough times the wing light would eventually manifest?

[balmy spoke]

no?
it might be just a strong memory, the remembrance wl in jail, that's a kinda grim one to have multiple pass through there.
Ushering Stargazer memory has a event which i say might be us when we first arrived, we might have stayed around in dawn a bit and the wl, the "lost memories" aka since we as players and skid moths have basically amnesia of our first visit, the more we come to remember our past the more we grow, the more we gain, as light for our wings.

[lusty merlin]

OOOO OKAY I GET IT

idk why that took so long to click

[balmy spoke]

yeah, it being a reused model and all that is fine , the point is the that part of the rock is significant

it would be nice for more personalisation of the wl, the eden ones could be us inching our way forward, or leaving, actually, if we take into the memories of the shards as lost memories as they have fragments, and played everything in reverse
Being atop the diamond
the krill
being carried by creatures of light all the way down,
all the way down to the hill in dawn where the wl just looks out to eden, i think that's a better theory than if it was our path to eden

i think the looking at things in reverse might have some merit but i'd need to think on it more

[static zephyr]

In the last shard memory we see wl at the top of the diamond I feel those are stand in’s for sky kids that are stuck ontop of the diamond

The elders could have been trying to save them but judging by how they are wings I feel like they failed and could not save them

[balmy spoke]

last could be the first is what i'm trying to say

[static zephyr]

Make since like real memories they could be out of order

[balmy spoke]

mhm, i feel ya, i just actually had to relook at the order and i self ordered things differently xD

[static zephyr]

Memory’s are like a tornado constantly spinning and moving over time we forget the order or the time it happened this could be the case for the shard memory’s

[fickle wing]

happy tsadi tuesday like to put them in a hydraulic press reblog to put them in a hydraulic press

[lusty merlin]

[fickle wing]

floober i see that burger react get it off or else im biting you

[molten bough]

borgir

[keen shore]

afraid of them grilling… ☹️

[fickle wing]

4 burgers………..don’t let them cook

[molten bough]

🍔 _ _

[keen shore]

The burger counft grows by the day soon they will be inescapable

[nimble ingot]

what on earth?
Tsadi is having a barbecue?

[frigid tinsel]

Let them have a good time and feed their people

[lusty merlin]

Man I’m thinking of like the similar yet different cultures golden valley (pre wasteland) and Triumph valley would have

Like golden I can see being very involved in agriculture and farming, regularly having weekly farmers markets of all sorts of food, and food being a very huge part of most dishes and events. I can also see there being festival’s of whale and light creature migration too as a way to celebrate the harvest

Triumph valley can see be more focused on sports and festivales too but less about food and more about entertainment like watching performers and plays and stuff

Man thinking of a yearly festival where both sides are together

[native galleon]

i think abt the golden valley tweet so much i hope eventually we get to see more about it, their culture and their relationship with triumph especially

[lusty merlin]

OUGH man what if the fact golden and triumph could’ve been connected is the reason why triumph had power diamonds, like it started as a sort of trade thing because ofcorse Tsadi wants to help out but as the demand grew the production slowly but surely began destroying the realm

Like I feel like nobody knew the lasting effects of darkstone either, and I feel like that’s a common thing seen irl too, not enough testing is done as they just wanna get on with it but in doing so the consequences would follow

Like something marketed and promised to be a better alternative when it’s new and hasn’t been tested for long enough might be the same or even worse as the years go on and more studies are done basically

All in the name as it’s “new” and deemed better and can help (when they don’t even know themselves)

[native galleon]

bc of the common theories about valley elders being the youngest and the realm being one of the most reliant on technology i always interpreted it to be sort of an extension (for lack of a better word) of golden valley that became its own thing

like, as people explored more of the world, they started moving up the mountain to harsher climates, then the technology got more advanced and and it really exploded from there

so of course golden would want to help out, they’re connected from the start

[lusty merlin]

OUGH yeah,,, plus their neighbours too and had the best intentions

But I can see that falling through over the years obviously

[native galleon]

cue the regina george “who do they think they are, i like, invented them” -tsadi

by the way did you see? i finished my fun little project but i dont have a good way to post it, any ideas?

i went on the ao3 waitlist bc i have lost control of my life but it said it could take until the 13th 😰 i don’t wanna wait that long

[untold notch]

it doesn't always take the full time

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to AO3

[sharp lichen]

If meat exists in Sky, so can barbecue

[native galleon]

barbecue at the crab roasting pit

[nimble ingot]

surf and turf crab stew

[native galleon]

but are the crabs the surf or the turf

[pastel brook]

oof

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the weird pointy bit at the very top

[pastel brook]

my philosopea is that you can never eat too many peas

[half shadow]

I still hold the belief the weird placement of it with how it looks to be the King pointing down headfirst at the tip of the diamond is meant to resemble a reflection, meaning the King themselves would be facing upwards near the diamond’s point on the inside of it. the fact that there are two WL hugging right at the point further backs this up imo, seeing as how we’ve only seen that specific pose in the Void-like space at the end of Eden where we encounter the mystery sky child/“Prince.”

[frigid tinsel]

✨symbolism✨

[native galleon]

everything i read about the king and the eden situation makes me even more confused what

[frigid tinsel]

Basically it’s 99.99% speculation and fandom propaganda

[sharp lichen]

Moreso x% fandom propaganda, 50% speculation, and 50% random discord messages by developers

[sharp lichen]

Different positions, same results

[half shadow]

essentially. I always was wondering just why it was positioned in such a funny looking way like they’re a missle about to touch down

[sharp lichen]

The King/Resh is a character that is in the game in some form, but the developers have said that their presence is a lot different than what we may expect. Most of what we know of it comes from concept art and symbolism in the Sky world, like in the final Shattering memory or in the Vault Elder cutscene

[native galleon]

like, they always existed since the beginning, but then they also didn’t exist until they fell on isle, but then them falling meant the end of the world was coming?? and they’re an elder but also a kid? and now they’re dead but they also might be alive and trapped in the diamond? or they created the diamond but they also might be the diamond? It’s like Schrodinger’s King to me idk

[sharp lichen]

That’s how all lore is, to be honest

[sharp lichen]

Don’t treat each of these as contradicting facts, just differing opinions

[native galleon]

Right yeah but i still dont know which to go with bc a lot of them dont make sense to me

[sharp lichen]

Respectively:

Very unlikely, likely, unlikely, kids can be elders, likely, likely, likely, unlikely

[native galleon]

Lol thanks all of these are things ive seen and idk how likely any of them are

Maybe i had to be there for shattering or something idk

[half shadow]

lots of us relate the king to the chosen one seen in the prophecy murals as well, noting their star-like points around their head and their presence as such a central figure. it’s also speculated this same figure is the golden child seen in the pointing spirits memory in Isle, AND the child wandering the desert spoken about in the Performance story options

[lusty merlin]

i feel like rambling about Tsadi/Dusk/Wasteland Elder

I find it clear that many assume in the war they're like the bad/evil side for some reason? That they're the type who doesn't care about the environment and only wanted the production which is like, no? Why would an elder who PERSONALLY LEADS their own people into battle, who's realm is ruined, be the ones deemed as bad.
Yes they're not a saint, they made mistakes, but like they're not bad, if the war was caused because of dark stone production, then I see wasteland being the victim, but i also don't see the opposing side being pure evil either.

I frankly don't see the war as a "bad/good" but more of a "negotiation to compromise that wasn't satisfying either side that spiraled." Hell like, most countries who give supplies are rich but are forced to produce and give that supplies away to the bigger, more powerful countries lest they be targeted. I feel like that's the position wasteland is in, they saw what production was doing, tried to stop it, yet other realms (valley imo) relies on dark stone. It's built around dark stone. No dark stone means the city falls apart, so compromise evolves into war, each with their own reasons and want's. Tsadi to me wanted to help their people, to lessen dark stone use so their realm was no longer poisoned, Twins wanted dark stone to keep their city alive as they're too interwoven with it to turn back.

sorry just remembered like two separate occasions Tsadi was called lazy and more times they'e implied to be evil or on the bad side and it floors me because???? no?? They're trying their best, they even seem to be fighting something in their cutscene which i point to PTSD and the urge to protect us.

[earnest briar]

Tsadi is my beloved and I will not stand for slander of them. 😤

Tsadi gang where you at

[lusty merlin]

add on but remembrance also shows that the spirits who i assume most live in wasteland are subjected to the unfairness of they war

unlawful arrest for pleading child's parent, wounded warrior (who is shown to be on the sunside same as tsadi as their comrade has a sunsheild, tea brewer sneaking past guards showing distrust like??? they are not the big bad meanie side of the war that is evil, yet same for the other side. They're not good, and yes, did bad things i can only imagine but not evil either that just waged a war for the sake of fighting

[native galleon]

yeah i don’t like the interpretations in terms of just the Good Guys or The Bad Guys like. they’re flawed but they were trying to do their best for their people, as were the other elders, and that led them to make decisions which would ultimately prove to have all kinds of different consequences. it’s like the whole “more human than humans” thing in some mythology

[lusty merlin]

Yes exactly!!!

[native galleon]

also, lazy? what????

[lusty merlin]

YWAH LIKE???? ONE SAYING THEYRE LAZY BECAUSE THEY LET THE WAR HAPPEN WHICH IS???? AND ANOTHER SAYING ALL ELDERS ARE LAZY LANDLORDS WHICH JUST

BAFFLES ME

Like being forced to start a war to protect isint “lazy” and I’ll mention they in their mural is shown peronally leading an army

[native galleon]

Ah yes, them being evil tyrants who treated people badly for funsies, my other favorite concept /s

[lusty merlin]

I get the story and thus characters are open to interpretation but some are just

They miss the point so badly when there’s stuff showing that’s not the case

And when it is elaborated on it’s just

Came out of nowhere with like nothing to back it up but their own words with no explanation

I just get pretty confused when the elders are seen as bad people or lazy or evil that like don’t care because there’s mountains of evidence showing that’s not the case. They’re not perfect, they’re just people

I’m a elder defender till the day I die

[native galleon]

The elders we can touch alshkdhdjd

now there’s a concept

[lusty merlin]

Anyways I love Tsadi, I see them being a protector first and commander second and they’re trying so hard to fight for their people, live laugh love Tsadi 🫶

[nimble ingot]

Everyone is welcome to share their thoughts and headcanons in this channel.
Had it not been for fanon, the lore channel would not be half as fun without it.

[half shadow]

doesn’t Tsadi have both the sun and the diamond emblem on their shrine? that’s always intrigued me

[nimble ingot]

There are subtle clues that suggest that, yes.
In the constellation, the shield is not rounded like it is in person, it is a kite shape (or diamond).
Which either means the elder switched sides, or there was a mistake to the elder's shield design in the murals.

[untold notch]

would you consider the elders at that moment to be reflected in the same way?

[lusty merlin]

both shields they hold and and the one at their shrine and orbit has the sun

the diamond on their chest seems to be a theme with all the elders have (all have it) if thats what you mean

K I double checked (by stealing screenshots from videos) in yeah all show them having the sun sheild never the diamond sheild, I feel like the diamond sheild is a mendelia effect or something

[nimble ingot]

The constellation above the portal, and the mural for the elder in the all elders cutscene, have kite shaped shields.

credit to jikatuka on tumblr for this image.
This is what the kite/diamond shield looks like.

[sharp lichen]

That’s very interesting, either the shield design changed or the Wasteland Elder switched sides

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I agree that the Elders aren’t evil, but I find your interpretation of the war interesting. One of their major flaws is that they couldn’t resolve the war peacefully, in my opinion.

[untold notch]

my thought is thats the easiest visual shorthand

[nimble ingot]

hmm...
Can you elaborate on what you mean with visual shorthand?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the shields (or allegiances?) changed over time

[nimble ingot]

It is possible.
the diamonds faction were the ones pushing towards the temple, while the temple's defenders are the round shields.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like to me looking at wars in the past, a lot can even start from refusing to corporate when it comes to trading, so small things like that can get out of hand if either side refuses to budge for whatever reason.

And depending on the severity of the demand, which with darkstone is very needed, basically the replaced power source of most stuff now means that the demand was needed, and the demand was high

And If like your main source possibly stops out of nowhere it puts your city it jeopardy, and if they still don’t bargain then that’s when I see things getting messy as push comes to shove

Basically to me it’s “we don’t want to do this anymore vs we need this to function”

[native galleon]

Then again some of the stuff we see it used for doesn’t seem strictly necessary, which I imagine being a pain point for people in gw

Like hey, the water is making people sick and there are corrupted creatures running around, all so you guys can build ski lifts?

[lusty merlin]

Ya I feel like that’s the kicker too! Like we’re killing our realm so you can make ski lifts and instruments? So you can make lights and gates when the other system worked fine? I feel like that’s where the frustration and anger comes in too

Like: where throwing away our realm for this when we get barely get anything to keep

[native galleon]

I mean, I’m sure before it was destroyed gw used plenty of that technology too, but they’d probably be more inclined to cut back once they noticed pollution starting to become a problem

[lusty merlin]

That too I can see, for me I feel like they did their best to balance but when it came to triumph valley just did not and just went all in

Like comparing one community who uses resources to the fullest but making sure there’s still somthing left to another who overuses it when it’s not even needed

Like overconsumption is where I see triumph being at, and they’re the ones getting the exports of goods to me, not making them

And I’d they do make them then I see them being far inbetween

[lusty merlin]

Honestly this is a valid reason that riots would start, like seeing their realm crumbling while the others use it for such michileanious things that they can’t help but scoff that this is what they’re sacrificing for

[brisk python]

tsadi tuesday

[keen shore]

The disparity between the parts of Wasteland and Valley that we see is massive. Valley is still mostly intact; its buildings are lined with gold, and darkstone devices that serve little other purpose than being fancy and flashy, like the citadel orreries and the flying race obstacles, are everywhere. Even though some of these devices could be powered by sunlight and not mantas, someone had to mine them and they weren’t from Valley. And then you get to Wasteland, crumbling, filled with darkness and rot, and suddenly all those glistening towers seem greedy instead of triumphant

[hushed steeple]

Ngl yall just talk your theories while i read em

[lusty merlin]

outsourcing /neg

[keen shore]

In my opinion, the relationship Valley has to Forest (mining) and Wasteland (refineries) is meant to mirror an irl phenomenon known as ‘outsourcing’, where companies in richer, stricter countries outsource production of something they sell to other countries with more relaxed labor laws and environmental regulations in order to make cheaper products. This leads to disproportionate and disastrous pollution in the places those companies decide to take advantage of.

This is the most informative article I could find on outsourcing pollution; unfortunately it’s absolutely covered with ads.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pollution-from-outsourcing-kills-without-respect-to-borders/]
This article focuses more on the mechanics of outsourcing pollution and is good too.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/climate/outsourcing-carbon-emissions.html]

[lusty merlin]

yaya! this is what i think aswell too, although i didnt really have the word for it until like a few minutes ago

just the fact both wasteland and forest are under clouds when valley is legit the 2nd highest points being on literal mountains with eden being second

also the sea levels too, like its so bad seen in abyss so that means the darkstone industry was so bad that it just brought sea levels up so high so quickly. I feel like wherever Sky's own Antarctica is, the ice sheets have to be like nearly or almost fully melted to get to that point

abyss has like i'd say like a 50-100 or more meters of water considering the entire mines and buildings are full on flodded (i feel like its more but i aint gonna do math)

our sea levels raised 6-8 inches in 100 years

comparing that to sky's sea level now thats utter insanity

[keen shore]

I still don’t know the exact mechanics as to why the ocean level rose so high but I wonder if there’s a bit more to it than just melting ice; there seems to be so much water that either that island is a lot lower than it’s supposed to be and fell somehow (which would be very weird) or something incredibly drastic happened with the water levels

[nimble ingot]

It may be so because of entire floating islands falling into the sea.

[lusty merlin]

yaya that too, i wonder if color light magic was apart of it if you can summon rain at will you can build that water slowly but surely

[sharp lichen]

We love lurkers lol

[keen shore]

I do also want to mention really quickly that I doubt this relationship started in-universe because Valley didn’t care about Wasteland & Forest and just wanted to exploit those realms for their own gain. Wasteland is just a much more convenient location to build massive refineries, having relatively flat terrain (at least, flatter than a mountainside) and is next to the ocean, providing a convenient place to dump waste before the ancestors and elders might’ve known how oceanic darkness pollution worked. As for Forest, it seems to be the major mining realm since — with the exception of a few locations like Treasure Reef — that’s where all the darkstone veins were.

[lusty merlin]

yaya that too! Plus valley is in the mountains so even then building large scale buildings is already a big hassle

[sharp lichen]

I think there was a massive flood in Wasteland that caused the Crab Whisperer’s area to partially flood and the entirety of Treasure Reef to flood.

[lusty merlin]

thing is that water for said flood had to come somewhere

i wonder if blue magic was used to conveniently have water if there were cooling systems needed for darkstone factories

that could be rainworld brainrot talking though

[keen shore]

Walking outside in Wasteland rain and immediately getting pounded to bits

[lusty merlin]

Oh look at that

[frigid tinsel]

Rain world rain for context

[lusty merlin]

i love this clip so much

[keen shore]

It kills me wverytime

[lusty merlin]

average day in forest

[keen shore]

Okay, this is very weird and unlikely (like. I think one mural might disprove it entirely 💔) but hear me out. What if after the treasure reef refinery was built, it was lowered into the water somehow so that the entire ocean could be its cooling circuit

[sharp lichen]

I really think it could be as simple as a natural disaster, warm water is more likely to form hurricanes and such

[lusty merlin]

ough i like that idea yet the terrain around it and inside doesnt show any signs that could've been the case :(

[pastel brook]

When we reincarnate after Eden, are we a new person or the same?

[lusty merlin]

but to get sea levels to rise that high when we only get 8 cm max in 100 years would take like like literal centuries more (since that was the original origin to that question, how sea levels got so high) yeah a flood can add water to raise it but never to that extent

plus its near the ocean itself for crab whispers area so it would honestly even out to me after it settles

[sterile orchid]

OH MY GOD THAT'S SO MUCH WATER WHERE THE HELL DOES IT COME FROM??

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know how big the planet is and the scale between land mass snd ocean surface area on the planet

[lusty merlin]

cranky robot guy :)

[sterile orchid]

that poor little squishy guy!! getting drowned for existing :(

[lusty merlin]

that is true, if it was smaller than yeah water could build up much quicker and could explain how sea levels rose so quick, maybe a 8cm rise in 100 years could've been 16 or 32 in sky.

I still think size wise its about the same as earth but that's just me

[untold notch]

it is called "rain world" tbf and the goal is to find shelter before the rain comes

[lusty merlin]

beautiful explanation, and thats totally all it is and nothing else :3

[sterile orchid]

i've been meaning to check out rain world for so long but never have

[lusty merlin]

I HIGHLY RECCOMEND ITS BRUTAL BUT ITS AMAZING

LIKE ONE OF MY FAV GAMES NEXT TO SKY

[keen shore]

It sure is a rain world… (credits roll)

[raw crypt]

woaghgh what a cool game iev never heard abt it before

[sterile orchid]

,, your pfps are slug cats aren't they

[raw crypt]

YEP

[keen shore]

i love evil baby and kind baby

[sterile orchid]

remembered the image of that and laughed so hard my microphone can't pick me up anymore

[lusty merlin]

thank for beaming the twin image into my brain

[untold notch]

.. nooooo

[raw crypt]

thw discussion and theories abt wasteland and valley’s relations is rlly intertestiimg

[native galleon]

its literally like my favorite topic ever

[lusty merlin]

i love the dynamic so much i want ore info about them SO BAD

[keen shore]

What if I expanded this topic by asking everyone’s takes on now Vault factors into this :3x

[native galleon]

well obviously they helped people from gw or at least tried to but beyond that you got me

[raw crypt]

one of the biggest darkstone usages seems to be vault, with all the memory cubes taking one, perhaps them offering refuge could be seen as some form of apology or helping hand, since darkstone manufacturing has been integral to vaulte even existing, they have the resources and knowledge to help a bit

[earnest briar]

oogh, what if Night tried to act as the mediator between Valley and Wasteland? And that table in the room on Vailt’s second floor is actually the place of the mediation meeting? We’d still have the Elders but there’d be an amount that makes sense for the number of chairs.

[native galleon]

I could see them in that role for sure, aligning a little more with gw because of how close they are and how they can see what’s happening to them, but ultimately they would want peace

[keen shore]

Vault probably got most of its food supply from Wasteland; I could see that being a factor in why they’re closer as well

[native galleon]

I think most of the other realms would be officially neutral, but some are going to support/enable one side more than the other and i see vault supporting gw in that way

[frigid tinsel]

If the Wasteland war started as a worker strike, the Forest miners were prob looking at them all 👀 👀 👀

[native galleon]

ooh don’t get me started on forest lmao

i think there would be a lot of public support for gw from forest because of the mining issues and pollution (like from workers as you said) but at the same time, they’re sitting on a literal goldmine and have a neighbor that is all too happy to buy what they’re selling…and to retaliate if they stop. so despite the detrimental effects on the realm their official position is to stay neutral and appease who they have to to prevent the war from coming to them

at least that’s what creates the most Intrigue™️ for me so i choose to believe it hehe

ooh maybe they would even have some leverage over valley in that case, knowing that if they were to try something in forest they wouldn’t have any major source of darkstone left 👀 they could negotiate to help themselves, their workers, and maybe even try to nudge them toward improving relations with gw

[uncut pond]

I think it would all depend on how much power the elders themselves had and their relationships with each other

Also personally I see Forest as having a culture that revolves heavily around "hard work" and most workers would be too busy to care about other stuff, the kind of culture where things such as strikes and protests are looked down upon even by other fellow workers (I'm totally Not projecting the problems I have with my own country's culture on forest I swear)

[fickle snow]

.. thers no way i am backreading that..... anyways, is there a betea sky lore chat or smt, bc i have a theory but its from beta knowledge

[sturdy ridge]

not here, but you're more than welcome to post it in #beta-discussion

[fickle snow]

ok

[sharp lichen]

I see us live folks have a lot of stuff to look forward to

[sharp lichen]

I think Forest would be the most isolationist realm, with their relatively shielded location and rain that was probably originally used for defensive purposes

[sturdy ridge]

well. I wouldn't go that far. But there's definitely enough material and lack of material to make wonderful theories

[sharp lichen]

Remembrance, Aurora, Shattering, Performance, Abyss... looking back, we got nice seasons for lore this past year

[untold notch]

it's lore all the way down

[sterile orchid]

so excited to see what kinds of lore we get this year

[sharp lichen]

I, for one, would like to see the first 4 seasons remade in some way

[sterile orchid]

hoping to get a season that gives more lore for at least one elder we need more content

[sharp lichen]

the monkey's paw curls, it's the Eden Elder

[sterile orchid]

,, what does that mean

[keen shore]

I would not complain

[untold notch]

honestly i'd take that, wouldn't be my first want but its still elder content

[midnight totem]

hii, idk if I’m in the right channel, but I know nothing about sky lore and I’ve been curious about it. does anyone have any sources that gives information on golden wasteland and eden lore? I’ve been wanting to learn about it

[inland cliff]

pls don't forget flight and prophecy

[fossil field]

I’m not here much but from what I’ve seen there’s little set in stone and a lot up for interpretation. but there’s a google doc baudshaw (I think) made that has a lot of the confirmed lore thingys

(sorry i dont have the link 😭)

[midnight totem]

no worries! I hopefully found it by search thank you

[south saddle]

yeah but he did specify 'this past year' and flight+prophecy are kinda out of that time frame (though i guess only remembrance would really count as being in the past year- regardless, you get my point)

[sterile orchid]

when people say "the past year" they usually just mean "the past 12 months" not,, over the course of the current year so i take it as containing anything in 2022 + remembrance

[halcyon hull]

Do all elders wear heels?

[fossil field]

I don’t think the valley elders do though I could be wrong

[lusty merlin]

Up to you, I just know forest and wasteland elder got heels but I think the heels on the twins are normal boot heels. Isle, Prarie, and Vault don’t have feet modeled in if I recall so it’s your choice

[quick jasper]

would be kinda cool if all the elders had matching heels for no reason

[sterile orchid]

i would love that so much.

[compact shale]

all the better to see my realm with, dearie~

[floral skiff]

What does the journey through Sky want to teach the players?

[cold sparrow]

stay curious and full of wonder
never lose hope
care for others and help them

[floral skiff]

me forcing the evil billionaire to play sky so they can share their wealth (giving light to the fallen)

[opaque adder]

What does lore stand for

[sterile orchid]

Lore is just the story of the game

Trying to piece together what happened before the actual story started more specifically

[opaque adder]

Oh I thought it was an abbreviation or something lol thanks

[south saddle]

nope its a literal word meaning something akin to ‘the backstory and context of (something)’

i searched it, google defines it as “a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth.” but close enough

[cold sparrow]

in terms of fictional worlds such as games, lore usually refers to not the storyline itself, but the world as a whole, whatever contributes to world building, the cultures in that world, how people lived, backstories of long-past cultures as well as people you encounter, etc.

[sterile orchid]

,, isn't that what we're doing

Knowledge of a subject (sky) passed down by "word of mouth" (this channel)

[south saddle]

yeah?- wait i wasnt contradicting you or anything I was just clarifying

it was more directed at the other person sorry if I was vague

[sterile orchid]

Ah yeah it's,, 5 am I'm not super full of energy right now

[opaque adder]

No no you explained it perfectly fine!! Thank you so much, sorry my English is not primary language😭

[south saddle]

OH I just read my message again, by ‘close enough’ I was referring to my own definition of it lol

and its totally okay lol (you shoudl probably sleep? if you can? that cant be good for you)

[sterile orchid]

~~I'm trying to get there ~~

[junior elk]

!grandmawhen

[pastel brook]

Grandma periodically holds a timed event at the Ancestor’s table of Belonging in the elevated clearing of Hidden Forest, providing up to a certain amount of Light per day and a delicious meal to Sky children.

Event times: (These timestamps are in your local time!)

<t:1679815800:t> 》 <t:1679823000:t> 》<t:1679830200:t> 》<t:1679837400:t> 》<t:1679844600:t> 》<t:1679851800:t> 》<t:1679859000:t> 》<t:1679866200:t> 》<t:1679873400:t> 》<t:1679880600:t> 》<t:1679887800:t> 》<t:1679895000:t>

[nimble ingot]

welp, that is one of the most useful things the bot can say on this channel.
Thank you Kangaroo ❤️

[static zephyr]

Ok how do you guys think magic works

We think at the moment that shared space’s are pocket dimension created by the sky kids using their powerful imagination to create objects

What about other spells?

[nimble ingot]

Personally, the world of Sky seems to revolve around 3 essences in addition to supernatural elements (air, water, fire and earth).
Light (or Flame), spirits (or life energy) and Time
(which is the element that supposedly is either in a dormant state in the game with each realm seemingly trapped at a certain time of day, or is corrupted/cursed. Whichever the case the point is, it does play a role in Sky).

We also know some ancestors are capable of tuning into nature, or tap into magical sources (such as darkstone/diamond power) to cast spells.
Some of these spells are reminiscent to druidic or shamanistic magic. As well as with the Vault of Knowledge, there may be arcane-like magic like that of wizards or sorcerers. Namely illusion magic with projections, spells that change one's appearance or size, as well as magic used to power portals.

It is vaguely familiar to classical magic systems from other genres. However this interestingly becomes more apparent when you read into it, instead of letting the game spell it out.

[static zephyr]

Ikr so your implying that the size change spells just make you look smaller or taller but don’t really effect your height

[nimble ingot]

The size change spells do physically change your size.

Some genres in film and games would showcase magic being able to physically change your appearance. Some are temporary like the cosmetic spells. Which can be similar to presdigitation or illusion spells (it looks real, but it is not and is temporary). While other spells are more powerful, where they can permanently change your body (such as polymorph or size altering spells).

Permanent size spells are not illusions.
The huge, tall, chibi, and tiny spells also count, though are temporary spells (as in the game).

[static zephyr]

I can see the sky kids just messing around by making themselves extra tiny just to troll other sky kids

[nimble ingot]

indeed XD
Having a tallish skykid piggyback a tiny chibi is hilarious. Even more so with larger skykids (including tall and huge spells). The tiny chibi ends up inside the skykids' capes and makes it impossible for the now 'host' to get the chibi off unless they felt like it.

I should make a comic with a tiny chibi jumping from skykid to skykid, causing mayhem by hiding under their capes. XD

[static zephyr]

XD

[untold notch]

I think sky's magic system is pretty loose which is to say not much of anything is well defined

[nimble ingot]

In the game, is sectioned off to lore fodder for the ancestors. And a side feature skykids can do once they claim, or purchased, a spell.

[static zephyr]

But that’s what makes it fun

We can come up with theories for it!

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

It is also fun to see how the spell can translate into a different format (like a tabletop role playing game, D&D), and vice versa with some of that game's spells put into Sky's context.

[static zephyr]

I CAST FRIE BALL nat 1 dang I- KABOOM

[nimble ingot]

you stand in a 5x5 foot shallow crater, covered in soot, but oddly satisfied with yourself.

[static zephyr]

Pov the warlock in a nutshell:
“Hey I like your outfit”
dies to 1D4 complement damage

[static zephyr]

Why can I just see a group of sky kids playing d&d

[inland cliff]

Out of the topic a bit, does the king krill count as a leviathan and is there a chance more of them are lurking somewhere

[static zephyr]

True but it does seem that the king krill and regular krills by extension seem to be made of small corrupted creatures of light

[nimble ingot]

Warlock skykid: "I pray to the elders for guidance."

DM: "Don't you mean gods?"

Skykid: "Did I stutter?"

[nimble ingot]

Krill can be considered to be Dark Dragon (as their canon name).

There may be many dark creatures in Sky (in theory and suggested in concept art).
The question is, would we be brave enough to find them?

[static zephyr]

pulls out a small sword CHARGGGEEEEEE

kill noises in the background

RETREAT!!

[inland cliff]

Will our devices be brave enough to load them/bj

[static zephyr]

Dm “you enter the golden wasteland only to be greeted by a MASSIVE krill you are not able to find a hiding spot in time and it’s light shines on to you. Roll for a reflect save”

Warlock sky kid nat one

DM “you die to 1d4 fear damage before the krill can even charge at you.”

[south oracle]

Solution: ELDRICH BLAST

[static zephyr]

Roll for magic power (how much do you guys think that someone at TGC is either laughing there head off or is incredibly confused))

[nimble ingot]

Skykid rouge: "I cast tiny spell"

DM: Internally screaming

[static zephyr]

Dm “you sneak by just nearly because of the krill’s poor eye sight”

I know what I’m going to be doing in sky today

Im going to start a sky themed D&D game with other sky kids if I can

[nimble ingot]

That is fantastic 🎉
If you like someone to help find stats, idea, or a player.
Feel free to ask 🙂

I ran a few one shots in the past in Sky.
While also working on a D&D equivalent to a Skykid race.

[inland cliff]

some of them are genuinely happy bcus they too play D&D

[static zephyr]

XD

OK back to the lore

Can sky kids actually communicate with each other in lore?

[round parrot]

morse code

[lusty merlin]

Speech wise I don’t see why they couldn’t, a single call could just be all they need to say to understand one another through text and all

[nimble ingot]

yup.
Telepathically, and through calls

While calls are not per say a language in of itself. But it is arguable that there is a pattern for skykids to interpret as a language.
For instance, long calls may be a skykid charging up another skykid. Or possibly a skykid calling for help.
Short calls being spammed though may be a skykid that is excited, upset, or trying to get someone's attention.
(at least this is what I have observed from other skykids and would use myself in the game)

[brisk python]

skid: beep
(translation: in all known laws of aviation...)

[static zephyr]

Skid: BEEP.
Translation: NO.

[round parrot]

skykid: Beep.
translation: Yes.

all jokes aside, I think it would be something like dolphins. dolphins are known to communicate through whistle, echolocation, etc. I would like to think the same for skykids

(I am only using dolphins as an example)

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah i really like that idea!!

[static zephyr]

Makes sense but I can also see them using sign language as well

When 2 skids get into a argument
HONK HONK HONK HONK

aggressive signing

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah I have a sky oc who does that! Plus skykids are pretty expressive too so like most times you can understand the message

[static zephyr]

It’s amazing how for a character that doesn’t talk or have facial expressions yet they are still so expressive!

[nimble ingot]

How cool would it be for skykid to have a 'mood' that affects the tone of their calls?

For instance, if a skykid is happy, their calls are chirpy. If they are sad, the calls would trail off a bit or pitched down to the minor range. If they are upset, the call has a treble or rumble to it (like a distant thunder) and so on.

It does not much else to the individual calls, but adds more variety to the calls aside from adding a separate call.

[round parrot]

Like how you could tell a Skykid is silly based on their outfit /lh

[static zephyr]

TCG take notes

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I love it too! Think al mentioned they see sky instead of having micro expressions having micro body language if I recall, since most spirits wear masks and would naturally use their body to navigate and express

[round parrot]

Emote sound effects:
/lhj

[lusty merlin]

Some stranger laughed nonstop when I had ceasing beard on so that’s lovley /scarcasm

[untold notch]

yeah there are people who are very strange about fashion in this game it's peculiar

[static zephyr]

My sky kid is the same as my profile picture so

[lusty merlin]

Some people when you don’t have elder hair rhythm pant bat cape:😱

Not shaming anyone who dresses like that btw, live your life but I’ve just seen some folks are are super weird about it when you wear like a beard or somthing

[static zephyr]

Then there’s the one with the goofy eyebrows for eyes and a mustache

[nimble ingot]

Hitch hiking grouch face be like a butler ngl

[lusty merlin]

Plus ceasing’s beard is like my faborite in the game, I adore how it splits into two braids just 👌 the beard ever

[round parrot]

Tmw a certain group of people who don't find those outfits conventionally pretty

Same with Tac btw

[untold notch]

I don't because they're not

[round parrot]

||Hacked content. Best not to discuss. ||

[lusty merlin]

Tbh I’ll kill for actual twin pants

Where they have SHOES and like their prostetic too

If they fix like gloats shoes on the fit I’ll be happy

[round parrot]

YEAH

Speaking of shoes, my Skykids would talk to each other about shoes like: "DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE IT IS TO FIND SHOES NOWADAYS!??!?"

[static zephyr]

Ok do you think skids prefer bare foot or shoes?

[lusty merlin]

I mean we start barefoot, basegame pants all don’t have shoes, but player wise most also perfer seasonal pants so I guess it depends

[static zephyr]

Hey TGC we need answers.

[round parrot]

Depends on your Skykid tbh

[grizzled remnant]

.

[nimble ingot]

Imagine TGC releases sandals in Sky.
That day would be the day the sky community would lose their marbles.

[round parrot]

Hello Cosmos!

[static zephyr]

[grizzled remnant]

I got forced into here so uh..
If anyone wants my lore/biology stuff on Krill I can paste it here (warning, it's long, so it'll be a wall of text)

[royal anvil]

Wdym forced?

[round parrot]

The asian in me

[lusty merlin]

I mean if you were forced here and don’t feel comfortable sharing you don’t have to, but feel free if you do want to talk about your take on krill

[nimble ingot]

Now I am curious.
Would you like to say what happened?
If not, it is fine.

[grizzled remnant]

Okay!! I kinda wrote it in the pov of my oc Makuto, lemme grab a few paragraphs of it and share it!

[round parrot]

Beware of the censorship, Cosmos

[grizzled remnant]

DW! I've posted it before and hasn't been censored

ahem, written in the pov of my oc Makuto, a krill biologist

Dark Dragons are an exciting species, classified as Dark Creatures, they can fly for seemingly an infinite amount of time, often patrolling the Golden Wasteland, and Eden, on rare occasions, Dark Dragons are sometimes seen in Starlight Desert, Treasure Reef, and in the areas classified as the ‘office’ and the ‘Halloween’ area. Though it's still unknown how they end up in these areas, Dark Dragons typically call the Golden Wasteland their home.

Moving subjects, Dark Dragons are typically 35-30ft in length, horn to tail, 7-8ft in height from feet to top scales, and 5-6ft in width, left to right. The males typically have more enormous horns and do most of the hunting, while the females stay behind and guard their nests and hatchlings, fighting off competing Dragon families.

Young male Dark Dragons typically are seen as the ones patrolling the Golden Wasteland, and no elder Dark Dragons of Male or Female gender, have been recorded/documented yet, however, studies show that male and female Dark Dragons typically mate for life, and can live up to 250-300 years, however, they grow from hatchlings to young adults rather swiftly, only taking 3-5yrs to hit maturity to mate.

I got more! If you guys want

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah I like how this is written! Also cool to think of how krills would and their traits and whatnot, even if they’re corrupted I feel like the species before it could have evolved so their young would’ve been corrupted at birth

Kind of like forced to evolve and adapt as we do see a smaller krill in anglers memory

[round parrot]

I really don't want to talk about reproduction in this server but I will say that I have an idea for the "baby krills" part

[grizzled remnant]

Oh! I do too! Here!

Dark Dragons are seen using blue light as bait, to lure in unsuspecting Sky Kids, and ultimately, striking and draining these Sky Kids of their light and winged power, to feed to their families, as a group of hatchlings was studied to often feed from light, and not the usual meat of dark creatures, or dark plants, Dark Dragon hatchlings are notoriously hungry, all the time, a hatchling can’t go 15 minutes without eating from a light source without throwing a tantrum, and putting the hatchling’s life at risk, unless the hatchling is sleeping, they can conserve their energy, and wait to wake up every 2.5hrs to eat again.

Once the hatchlings have reached maturity, they stop eating from light less and less, and start to eat the dark plants and creatures, and not target Sky Kids, as they no longer need big sources of light to survive, and can convert the dark energy into sustenance to live and function normally.

Fun Fact! Younger Dark Dragons will often visit their elders, and the parents will help teach hatchlings how to hunt, alongside their elder children, usually hunting in packs of up to 10! Who knew?!

[lusty merlin]

Throwing a tantrum

Also the blue light is super intersting way on putting it, to me their eye just naturally glows like that and also acts as a visible light of sight for skykids

[grizzled remnant]

Y'all want the final section of the krill biology study?

[ocean saddle]

yes

[lusty merlin]

Yeah sure! I’m enjoying this because this is really neat to read

[grizzled remnant]

Warning! Big wall text, and a bit of oc lore

As for the history of our Dark Dragons, it is still relatively unknown where they came from, as the Dark Dragons invaded the Golden Wasteland thousands of years ago during the beginning of the Falling Darkness, old scrolls in the Vault of Knowledge paint back to the Season of Shattering, and an unknown ‘Season of Cycle’ that I’m still studying, hopefully, both will shed more light on the world and what lies beyond it…

Nevermind that, the oldest Dark Dragon on record currently seemed to be an old Dark Dragon with ashy grey scales and golden markings, and has not been named as of writing this, for what we know, it seems to be one of the many elder Dark Dragons, and holds a golden eye color.

Speaking of eye colors, Dark Dragons hold many different colored eyes, not just blue and red! Some records show Dark Dragons having orange, green, velvet, purple, naturally red, emerald, sapphire, opal, or yellow eye colors! However, all turn red and flicker when locking onto prey.

Dark Dragons also possess markings, that come from their family lineage, and/or family traits, along with eye color! They are similar colors to their eyes, usually inherited by their parents. As for where this all started, I don’t know, honestly.

Dark Dragons cannot be tamed if they are older than a mature adult, however, studies show that hatchlings taken from their parents and properly trained by spirits, or, Sky Kids, can be tamed and trained to act like normal people, and even function in society, as proven by a famous warrior, and commanding general of many, General Aetrix, who is also my elder brother (by adoption) and is a respected man, despite being a Dark Dragon! Some still frown upon Dark Creatures living normal lives like us of the Light, however, it is possible for Light and Dark to co-exist peacefully.

[ocean saddle]

[lusty merlin]

Ooo nice

Would elder dark dragons to you be ones who still haven’t fully succumbed to the corruption seeing they still have gold marking on time like many light creatures?

[grizzled remnant]

Yeah, that's what I think

[opaque adder]

I resembled the krill as the rollie pollies aka oomu in the movie Nausicaa. Since both has blue and red eyes.

[lusty merlin]

I like that a lot the strongest ones trying to fight the darkness off but mostly falling to it

[grizzled remnant]

Yee!!

[lusty merlin]

Ty for sharing this btw cuz it was really interesting hearing your take on krills

[grizzled remnant]

I'm a bit nerd for lore, and have a ton of lore written for my Sky AU, unfortunately the season of Cycle AU got scrapped for my current AU "Deities and Kings"

And thank you Tac! I genuinely love taking questions about things in sky and answering them with my own theories and lore

[sharp lichen]

NO THE CHAPPALS NOT THE CHAPPALS

[round parrot]

Everyone I meet in game will face my sandal's wrath. (if tgc decides to add that to the game)

[sharp lichen]

Ah interesting fact: the speed of a charging Krill is 29 MPH

[grizzled remnant]

A 30ft Krill charging at 29MPH?! Woo boy! No wonder they can knock wl out of us!

[native galleon]

Pff it’s literally like getting hit by a truck

[sharp lichen]

Custom calls would be awesome and horrifying at the same time

[sharp lichen]

Most other spells are similar in concept to the shared spaces. Instead of using light to place furniture, they use light to modify themselves. I’m pretty sure most spells are cosmetic, except for the instant recharge one which can be explained by just a container of light

[sharp lichen]

I think a Sky COTL related tabletop game would be a really cool thing to design

[lusty merlin]

Relating to this kinda but I also find ancestor clothing super intersting so mini ramble

Like basegame all have a consistent theme of dresses/pants with big waistbands, and tied up shoes. Plus like many have the trim of the line with the small triangles too. Capes seem to be a regular thing too and most have a standard shape. And masks can be a symbolism for a job/profession, birds seem to be connected to entertainment which is awesome!

And then you have seasonal outfits and you can just see the life each one has, how each takes its own genere and style to make them unique

What I find the most intersting that diamonds despite being a big part of architecture and patterns barely are seen on ancestors minus belonging family and funningly enough, flight guide: who is ‘s apprentince and all, yet we see diamond patterns on every single elder like that type of pattern is of importance

Which would make sence yet the belonging family also has diamond on the shoulder part of the capes, so I wonder if they’re family has a long history relating to the elders somhow as I recall no other spirit but flights and the belonging family have full on regular diamonds

[sharp lichen]

I call whichever one lets me wildshape into a krill (but seriously this seems cool I’d like to join it)

[lusty merlin]

I think sneezing has a diamond patrerns similar to vault but I’m talking like a regular filled in diamond

Even gloat’s outfit which is seen on the twins has the diamond removed and replaced with the little light core all ancestors have

[sharp lichen]

Probably, they might communicate telepathically or with honks

Welcome to #lore-discussion-spoilers, @royal anvil!

[royal anvil]

Is there any lore about the whales/fish in sky?

[royal anvil]

I've kinda been here before since I was persuading @grizzled remnant to come here
||we're shy people ehe✌️||

[lusty merlin]

Nah like we know they just fly around, I forget if the poem with the shattering whales has anything significant but I’m not sure

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah totally get that! I also have the struggle of jumping into a new channel usually

[royal anvil]

I find the memory of the whales in the shattering thing interesting, what's with the giant air ship thing? Idk how to explain it

[lusty merlin]

Airship? From what I remember it was only whales big and small

[halcyon hull]

There's a lot of air ships

[royal anvil]

No the giant thing where the wl is located, if its that memory

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah that’s part of the whales face I’m guessing since it connects to like I think the biggest whale there

[royal anvil]

||I'm obsessed with them(the twins and whales)||

Any lore about the twins of Valley? Since I don't really see much about them and people have alot of lore for the other elders

[halcyon hull]

A lot of hc's in the right time

[lusty merlin]

I have alot like detail wise but not about their charaters that much yet I have to go to class 💔

By details i mean stuff about their designs but also how I see them being very open about death which connects to another big thing on how death is protrayed in sky

One about the gravestones as they’re the only ones who not only have gravestones in their temple, yet is the few outside the 8 player door that decorated them in gold

Like no other elder but the twins have gravestones in their temple which I find super cool

[sharp lichen]

There’s a whole fanfiction about their origin, do you want to read?

[royal anvil]

Sure, also what's this?

The giant being

[halcyon hull]

Eden elder mural
But unaccurate one

[native galleon]

Whenever you start a message with “OUGH” i know its abt to be an absolute banger

[lusty merlin]

God there’s a lot but basically it’s believed sky had a ruler of sorts yet anything about them Is super vauge, some believe the figure in the prophecy mural is the same in the eden mural and like there pretty much it, not much anything else on what they’re like just that they’re there

There a weird figure in sky for how little there is about them yet is still apart of the story

[royal anvil]

They never really explained about that castle you see when flying up to rebirth heaven and in the cutscene when you go into Isle

[keen shore]

The bird masks are really interesting because (iirc) we only ever see them in Valley and traveling groups from Valley (ie Rhythm) which implies they might not have been a thing in other realms, possibly because they were very expensive and —

oh :(

[halcyon hull]

perhaps they just show it as a goal, because when we pass Eden, we kind of get in there

[frigid tinsel]

Oh cool, Sah and Mekh are talking to each other

[halcyon hull]

I wanted to say something but idk so yes it's good

[royal anvil]

Tac is Sah?

[untold notch]

tac is sahs strongest warrior

[halcyon hull]

I sometimes perceive them as Sah

[keen shore]

They try to hide it but we all know /j

[frigid tinsel]

Please don’t ping me, literally in my name

[grizzled remnant]

I like to think besides the Vault of Knowledge, Valley of Triumph is the most developed in technology.

[halcyon hull]

reminds of how was discussed here what will happen if the elders see lore chat

[frigid tinsel]

No beta spoilers

[untold notch]

what new season, they haven't announced anything yet

[grizzled remnant]

I only mentioned the realm, sorry I'll delete it

[frigid tinsel]

Yea you literally can’t mention that either

[untold notch]

I always say if it's not in #news don't say it

[grizzled remnant]

They did show the new season pendant if I recall-

[royal anvil]

Didn't they reveal what the symbol(idk necklace?) looks like in #news?

[frigid tinsel]

Yup and that’s it

[untold notch]

they didn't say that's what it was they just posted an image and didn't elaborate

[keen shore]

They revealed the symbol but not if it’s connected to a new season (although tbf pretty easy to guess as it’s obviously a season pendant) & no other information.
I would assume the teaser is coming out next Monday but time will tell

[frigid tinsel]

This is all we got, folks

[untold notch]

we'll just have to wait and find out

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder

[keen shore]

I have very many questions about this symbol and yet no solid answers so far

[sharp lichen]

Someone provide the link to We Are One, I can’t find it

[untold notch]

I don't think it ever says explicitly (this is a recurring theme) but the general consensus is Eden elder

[sharp lichen]

Trust me guys

[raw crypt]

spillt :(

[frigid tinsel]

What does my fic have to do with the Eden Elder

Nope, can’t mention it in a spoiler tag either. If you wanna talk beta, go to #beta-discussion

[keen shore]

I’m very attached to the spirit that likes them the most :^)

But as for actual lore, have some random fun whale facts:

• They are one of several theorized creatures to have been the previous form of krill before they were corrupted
• war/armor masks in Wasteland and to a lesser extent Valley are based off their faces
• they were likely much more common before the disaster but have gone almost extinct
• they have a heavy connection with the wasteland elder & their realm as a whole

[halcyon hull]

I love sky magic and hate at the same time

[untold notch]

when the