lore-discussion-spoilers

[candid hare]

Hi, I have a question about the concert
They said it will be on December 8, but some people are talking about December 9, do you know why? Do you have more information?

[round parrot]

#questions-and-help is a better channel for that

[candid hare]

Thanks

[round parrot]

Get used to it

[opaque lotus]

if i had a nickel for every time i looked at lorechat to see people trying to say the spirits have gender id have two nickels- not a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice

all of the spirits are agender, full stop

[frigid tinsel]

Gloat is quoting a line from the book The Little Prince. I doubt a collab season is gonna enforce gender into canon. As others have pointed out, you can use gendered and pronouns terms without being gendered yourself. For example, I’m mostly a man but I have friends who call me princess, that does not make me a woman. Nonbinary people like agender characters do not have to limit themselves to use gender neutral terms.

Also gender ≠ sex. If you want to believe the ancestors reproduced that way, fine, whatever, but it has nothing to do with their gender identity. frankly that’s a disgusting take to justify your exorsexism and I’m tired of seeing that used as a “gotcha” when it isn’t.

Next time if you’re gonna have the audacity to spout bigoted rhetoric at a genderqueer man who’s asleep at this hour in a space heavily populated by queer people, at least do not ping me.

[hushed steeple]

Is this a bad time to ask about the megabird?

I tried to scroll back to my previous ask but couldn't find it.

[opaque lotus]

lorechat. i have a very important question.

is big bird. cousins. with the megabird.

[round parrot]

Big bird as in?
mmmm probably not

[opaque lotus]

YEA THE SCRAMBLED EGG LOOKIN DUDE!! what if he's just the megabird in another universe

[round parrot]

WHAHAAHAH
THOUGH I DON'T THINK MEGABIRD WHO IS A CONSTALATION GOD WOULD BE IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE AS A MASCOT

[round parrot]

The Megabird a a big cluster of stars that is mostly seen in Orbit - it is said that they hold every ancestor soul and light creatures alike (including Skykids)

Basic description of Megabird

[opaque lotus]

no im definitely right and big bird is definitely the megabird /j /ns

[hushed steeple]

I'll have to look closer at Orbit when I run Eden next time.

[copper saffron]

If we talking megabird in another universe, i think the Traveler from Destiny is a megabird egg

[sharp lichen]

Sure:

All beings of light are born from the Sky/The Light. The Ancestors used to ascend freely, and built ONE kingdom of Sky. The 7 realms (Eden) were connected due to the light, but then the Eden Diamond exploded, destroying all the light and the kingdom. The Spirits are trapped, and need light to ascend.

Almost everything, from bird to elder, is made of starlight.

The Power Diamonds used to make doors open in Sky are mass produced, causing lots of pollution and a decline in the Sky kingdom.

In the Le Petit Prince book, sure. But the Sky version is quite different.

The devs also said that spirits and elders don’t have gender, and they’re all referred to with they/them pronouns.

The only beings referred to with a he or she pronoun, to my knowledge, is the King.

[earnest briar]

And Granny, if I remember right the devs have referred to Granny as ‘she’.

[compact shale]

If you're wondering where the gender privilege joke came from, this is it.

[earnest briar]

Granny gets gender privileges because they feed all us hungry Skids without asking for anything in return other than a hug. We love and respect Granny in this house.

[regal forge]

Granny is feeding us the other spirits genders
We dispose of it-

Granny: “absorb the gender, my children.”
Sky kids: /:
Granny: “you’ll gain candles—“
Sky kids: “say no more”

[earnest briar]

That reminds me of the meme where someone absorbs the pronouns of everyone they defeat in combat to get all the gender.

[regal forge]

Sky kids preparing to attack the new spirit who hasn’t yet been cleared of their gender:

In other news
The battle in the Final spirit memory
I imagine this conversation happened but I missed it-
Do we know anything about it?
Civil war? Fighting dragons??

[spring python]

Me, personally, Im cis but I’m ok with any pronouns cause I killed enough people to have stolen a plethora of them

[austere bridge]

(there’s a joke in a certain fandom I’m in that one character is so gender because he took all of the gender from a bunch of ||dead children||)

[regal forge]

the sky kids in eden-
Grandma took their gender???

What’s the group name for sky kids?
A flock? A honk? An eclipse??

[austere bridge]

a honk, a wing, or a cape

[round parrot]

Skychildren
Ah

AHA
A CONSTALATION

[regal forge]

I vote a honk
Whoever named it, named it that because the first and last thing they heard was honking getting closer

[regal forge]

Or would that be a group of spirits/ancestors-

[slate saffron]

kpkpkp

[ancient abyss]

A cacophony of sky kids

[soft timber]

I heard Granny, King, pronouns, and Gloating Narcissist

[sharp lichen]

Too late

[soft timber]

Not late enough lol

[soft timber]

My lungs are collapsing due to how hard I was laughing, just straight up a buff moth with the power of Megabird and gender on their side running after some poor soul

[lucid egret]

Granny gets pronoun privileges because she’s the best spirit in game, sorry I don’t make the rules

I vote a group of skid should be called a Daycare

[frigid tinsel]

A group of moths with at least one vet is a daycare

[regal forge]

A group of solely veterans is an army

[austere bridge]

frogs already took army

[slate saffron]

How's about a vortex?

[rigid mural]

A firmament of skykids :]

[slate saffron]

A succor of Skykids

A smorgasbord of Skykids

A dodger of Dark Dragons

A killing of krill

[earnest briar]

A shrimp of Krills

[slate saffron]

krimp

[pearl siren]

krampus

[wet arrow]

what happened to lore lol?

[pearl siren]

krampus is the lore now, Krampus shrimp

[native shoal]

A puff of wooly mantas

[low spindle]

We stan a she/they granny queen.

I honestly adore how shes the only spirit who doesnt use only they/them LMAO

[earnest briar]

New headcanon: Granny has adopted every single Skid to ever show up at their table for dinner

[young ocean]

Gobble grannies ba-

[keen shore]

they invented pronouns

[earnest briar]

Hi Vela

[rigid mural]

When you land from Eden for the first time, game text says:
The real journey starts here...
I wonder if you could link it back to the new intro implying that this isn't your first journey through the kingdom and how you start the "real journey" after dying in Eden because now you know how the cycle goes just like your character always did.

[keen shore]

Probably! I keep forgetting to mention this but maybe idea?

Is it possible that the beings in the shattering memories were what the light used to create us came from? Idk if I’m gonna use this in canon but I can see it being really cool for fics if anyone wants it

[uncut pond]

[ flashbacks to the "belonging family got rich by inventing gender to sell bathrooms" era of lorechat ]

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD SOMEONE STILL REMEMBERS THAT??

[uncut pond]

HOW COULD ANYONE POSSIBLY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT

[keen shore]

[tearfully] It’s been so long…

[uncut pond]

No I refuse to believe it has been that long

[keen shore]

That was in February at the latest I would think

[lucid egret]

Well. Time to bring that back then

[uncut pond]

...it's really been that long...

[soft timber]

A screeching of skykids

Honk of Moths

[keen shore]

The old joke for context was

The belonging family got rich when belonging guide invented genders. The family quickly capitalized on this concept by getting permission to build bathrooms, but sneakily making them gendered, because that meant they could sell even more bathroom. (This is what sparkler parent and boogie kid are doing in their memories. Wise grandparent is scouting for bathroom locations). As they got greedier they invented more and more genders so that they could make more obligatory bathrooms at once. Everyone else caught on and started to invent their own and now there are 78800000000000 genders in Sky and most of them are called things like “rock” “sky” or “manta”

It was based around absurdism but we had to stop because the mods didn’t like it, I’d assume cause it unfortunately eventually strayed to choosing your gender / choosing ridiculous genders adjacent jokes which I can understand why they didn’t like that

[soft timber]

Aldkskekd perfect

[keen shore]

I will elaborate on this later cause it’s a whole theory I have built out but I’m too tired to rn

[rigid mural]

I like to think Skykids are just another incarnation of light (ie; they could be reborn as light creatures after leaving Orbit sometimes, and light creatures could be reborn as Skykids. In ye olden days ancestors were in the pool instead of Skykids), but I also like the idea that they could be a spoon of the megabird soup, a portion of the conglomerate of every light being that ascended

[sharp lichen]

GENDER ECONOMY

[uncut pond]

DO NOT MENTION THAT PART YOU'RE GONNA ANGER THE MODS AND GET US ALL BANNED

[sharp lichen]

NO NTO THE BEANS

[slate saffron]

Genders are a non-fungible currency

[untold notch]

fungus genders?

[frigid tinsel]

I funged your gender

[untold notch]

don't mushrooms have like 37000 different genders

[midnight sonnet]

So I recently found out that way back when like 2019 ish in sky you lost emotes not winged lights

||It kinda feels more emotional losing emotes tho because it could be that when the rocks hit you you lose your memory||

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, in the Light Awaits pre-release beta version of Sky, players would lose emotes rather than winged light. In fact, winged light wasn’t a thing yet — winged light appeared with the Live release of the game.

[midnight sonnet]

I just think That lore wise losing emotes actually works in an emotional sense

[candid flint]

I would like to add to this idea with the possibility that the soil in the forest does a better job absorbing the dark to lighten the load on the ecosystem than the sand in the golden wastes. I love the idea that the dark plants are like mushrooms helping to suck the darkness out! This would also help explain why the wastes is more polluted, not a lot of plants grow in deserts to begin with. Even mushrooms need moisture.

[midnight sonnet]

Like it makes me sad

[earnest briar]

Would you prefer to keep having to relive Pleaful Parent every time you went through Eden? Like yes I see the appeal but I'm glad it's not like that.

[dark oak]

Is there a higher resolution of this anywhere?

[hushed steeple]

that makes so much sense!

[hushed steeple]

i cant find it rn but maybe its in one of the links in pinned?

[rain pond]

all tom zhao artworks iirc, but the annotations idk

[random token]

Is Journey part of sky lore now due to the pack?

[rain pond]

it might be an out of canon thing like Office is

[frigid tinsel]

most of that is Tom Zhao's concept art, which you can find here: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1. but as for the timeline itself, there isn't a higher resolution image available unfortunately.

[random token]

Makes sense

[gentle oak]

if it would be canon so would be the switch pack which makes no sense

[rain pond]

either that or Journey is one of the distant kingdoms that Sky did trade with

and when Journey fell the King failed to make the connection because they were too busy playing with their octahedron of nuclear explosive doritos

[frigid tinsel]

octahedron of nuclear explosive doritos

[rain pond]

it is a perfectly accurate description of the diamond

[frigid tinsel]

I'd say "nuclear" is a vast overestimation of the Eden calamity but otherwise, yea

[rain pond]

octahedron of highly explosive doritos

also reminder that the explosion kinda sorta launched a chunk of the castle into Orbit (high enough up that we are able to observe the curvature of the planet, which means one of two things: 1 the planet is tiny or 2 it's real high up)

[frigid tinsel]

there's also the thought that Sky's gravity is less than that of Earth's

[rain pond]

true that might be a thing (which might be supported by the theory that the radius of the planet is small)

someone with adequate mathematical knowledge could calculate the height of the Eye of Eden using the map as a reference, then calculate how high the castle was launched

[frigid tinsel]

very bloody high

[rain pond]

my estimates put it at a minimum of 2 Vaults of Knowledge high

but that isn't saying much considering the space in the Vault is dubious and has been represented in a minimum of 3 ways in-game as 3d model

also what exactly is the Ascent? we see this massive gate with the bottom of the castle in view, but inside it is apparently the Vault??? Does that mean where we "enter" the ascent is us leaving Eden?

And where in physical space does that put the void?

Moreover, there is architecture there consistent with both the Treasure Reef Underwater Complex and the Isle of Dawn temple, but they can't be so close to the Vault in physical space

is the ascent sequence just a pipe dream that the Sky kid uses to make sense of the actual chaos that Ascension entails? A hard-coded hallucination created by Megabird?

[rain pond]

Battlefield: Vault is not visible at all, indicating that Vault is just a single octagonal room with a lot of light-based trickery.

Eden Social Space corroborates the "Vault is short" hypothesis

The Ascent's Vault, however, is this entire tower which conflicts with the prior two - what is going on???

[earnest briar]

My theory is that a mixture of Purple Light plus extreme proximity to Eden means things get funky fresh beats in Vault. The singular room is real, but so is the Vault we climb.

[rain pond]

But there's another layer to this - if the Vault truly is short, then how does it manage to get us from what might be the lowest altitude in the game (GW) up to near the top of the highest mountain in Sky?

Because once the illusion melts away, we're still just on the ground floor of the Vault. Does that mean that the main room is in two places at once? WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY DID LAMED MAKE

oh my gosh what if the short vault just has a giant mechanical arm that lifts it all the way to eden and once the sky kid goes out of it the vault just casually dips back to GW temple

[frigid tinsel]

or it's just one huge tower that been messed up due to purple light gone rogue. the actual interior is obscured but it's still there and probably large

[uncut pond]

I'd argue that Vault isn't that visible from the GW temple because maybe the corridor that takes us from the temple to the Vault is much longer than the game makes it seem

[rain pond]

new and improved diagram

[untold notch]

vault is depicted as taller in murals

[rain pond]

that's because lamed jebaits everyone, as the keeper of the memory cubes they pretty much have what i as a genshin player describe as "irminsul modification privileges"

[spring python]

Never realized there were lights here near performance shop

[slate saffron]

You can't. Genders are non-fungible, it's against the law

[untold notch]

if genders are non-fungible why do mushrooms have so many

[sharp lichen]

Do you want to explain how Kizuna AI fits into the lore of Sky?

[spring python]

She’s a representation of all the insufferable content farming in Sky YouTube.

[random token]

Who's that

[earnest briar]

Vtuber, she had a collab with Sky before I think she left the Vtuber industry to make NFTs? But I could be wrong.

[untold notch]

that doesn't sound right about why she left

[random token]

Then I don't think she fits into the lore

[potent sedge]

So I've been checking out Tom Zhao's stuff, i assume they're one of the concept artists for Sky.
the whole being a hybrid of darkstone and light is amazing and i love it, it makes a lot of sense

[hushed steeple]

Can I get a direct to where all the map shrines are? (for a friend

[glacial cypress]

The Gloating Narcissist actually does describe himself as a man in the game during his conversation with the Prince. If you go back and relive his spirit memory, you'll see that he says "I am the most handsome and talented Man on this island" or something like that, to which the Prince responds "But you're the only man on this island". He is the only character in the game actually identified in text or dialogue as a man or woman

[glacial cypress]

Come on you're really calling me a bigot for pointing out that One character called himself a Man? Look I am sorry I don't really understand all this stuff I just figured if The Narcissist says hes a man that is what I consider him

[sharp lichen]

plural men ˈmen in compounds ˌmen, or mən
1
a
(1)
: an individual human
especially : an adult male human

Especially, but not necessarily male.

[glacial cypress]

You're talking about the word "men" though which is sometimes used to refer to the human species in general. The singular "man" when used to refer to a single person is not. "Man" can refer to the whole species in contexts like "known to man" but I cannot think of any example when it's used like this to describe a single person

Hahaha I wasn't really that bothered until I got called a bigot for pointing out that one single character considers himself a man

I could understand being offended if I said "this character has long hair so they have to be a girl" or smthn like that

[sharp lichen]

We shall see when Gloating Narcissist comes as a TS and has the “players can progress friendship with them” instead of “players can progress friendship with him”.

But for now, you’re not wrong.

[glacial cypress]

Them can be used to describe any person of any gender. It's just the default way the text will refer to everyone. If someone else refers to me with they/them pronouns it doesn't mean I'm not a man. What matters is what I describe myself as

[white junco]

are you suggesting that sky misgenders it's entire cast for the sole purposes of giving genders to characters that canonically have none

[glacial cypress]

Using they them pronouns is not misgendering anyone, you can use them to refer to any person!

[white junco]

using they/them pronouns on someone who doesn't use those pronouns when you know their pronouns is misgendering

[glacial cypress]

Idk what to say, I just completely disagree on that. They/them are default pronouns you an use for anyone at any time linguistically

[white junco]

well it's. not up to you. if you use pronouns for someone, and they ask you not to use those pronouns, but you use them anyway, you are misgendering. that is what misgendering is. they/them is not exempt from that

[keen shore]

Hey, I would also like to mention that, considering most of the time when we have these discussions it’s to combat actual transphobia and related behaviors [implying non-binary people can’t have ‘gendered’ appearances, as one of the more ‘innocent’ examples] , reducing them to annoying arguments is really weird and gross.

I’m glad you don’t have to feel unsafe or excluded when this kind of rhetoric gets spouted but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about the people who do.

[untold notch]

why does this keep happening agender spirits are dev confirmed

[keen shore]

paprika, do you mind me asking your pronouns? So I know how to refer to you if you reappear

[glacial cypress]

Can anyone tell me where they actually used the word agender? Because I read their statement on gender in Sky and that is not what they said

[white junco]

agender is when people don't have a gender. dev statement is that spirits don't have gender. i'm not sure what else you want

[keen shore]

not having gender = agender, yeah

[untold notch]

I have receipts

[glacial cypress]

Ok look, I do understand if can be offensive when someone specifically avoids using the pronouns you've told them you go by. But the standard rules of the English language that have existed for idk, a long time, allow they/them to be used for anyone at any time

[frigid tinsel]

Yes they/they are commonly accepted gender neutral pronouns, but if someone explicitly says they don’t use them, then referring to said person would be misgendering.

And I didn’t call you a bigot, I said you were spouting bigoted rhetoric in actively dismissing the existence of nonbinary characters as well as arguing against the canon fact that the characters in Sky have no gender. And you pinged me, which I have said I don’t want to be.

[sharp lichen]

#general-sky-discussion message

@glacial cypress Hopefully, this should dispel it. Although SOTLP was released after this, given the overwhelming evidence, I think TGC has stuck with it to the very end.

[untold notch]

especially after they tell you not to!

[glacial cypress]

Sorry about that I don't really use Discord I didn't know pinging = replying, don't really know how it works I joined specifically for Sky

[frigid tinsel]

Pinging ≠ replying, pinging is automatically turned on when you reply to a message. But you can turn it off.

[glacial cypress]

"The characters and spirits in Sky are deliberately designed to let players express their chosen gender in whatever manner they choose. We believe in the power of player choice and self-expression, and encourage you to discover what that means for your in-game character."
This statement was my understanding about gender in Sky

[round parrot]

I am very sorry if it offended you, I just meant it as a light-hearted joke without knowing it would hurt anybody, again, sorry about that

[frigid tinsel]

Do you have a source for what quote? Because otherwise it sounds like you’re pulling it out of your butt.

[glacial cypress]

Ah ok thank you, I see that now

[glacial cypress]

Ya its the official statement on gender in Sky on TGCs support website
https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/hc/en/17-sky-children-of-the-light/faq/512-how-do-i-change-the-gender-of-my-character/?l=ko&p=all

[sharp lichen]

How I interpret this statement is that the character you imagine your Skykid as (and other characters you make relating to Sky) can have any gender you want. It says nothing about the gender of the spirits specifically.

[keen shore]

If I’m being honest, the entire gender situation in Sky is frustrating. All the spirits seem to be agender, but some of the sources seem to conflate that with meaning you can choose their gender which… as an agender person myself that makes me really uncomfortable. I don’t think I need to explain why.

That being said, it does mean a lot of the information surrounding how gender works in this world is really muddy. I can understand being confused by it. We’ve tried to clear it up with a final mod message, but we got ghosted.

[glacial cypress]

So my understanding of gender in the game was based on that. The screenshot from a dev that you showed me does not show up publicly available anywhere, the statement on the website was the only thing I could find

[white junco]

yea i think this is more “we designed the spirits so their cosmetics allow for a wide range of expression”

[frigid tinsel]

Baud linked to Ktjn’s message earlier, but I’ll link it again: #general-sky-discussion message

Discord does not show up in web search results however Skycord is a public server and devs have dropped information about Sky’s universe here before. Lorechat regs are used to diving into the bowels of the internet for crumbs of information, such as Ktjn’s message, but that does not invalidate their word.

[glacial cypress]

I mean, I do really like the fact that there is no male or female choice for players and that you can choose to wear or look however you like at any time, and I think that gameplay mechanic is at the core of their decision to leave gender mostly out of the game.
It's also worth pointing out that of course the character in Sky are not human, it's not on earth. In this fictional world human gender roles are totally irrelevant, they may just be a species that does not have genders

[keen shore]

yeah, if they’re a species that does not have genders, that means everyone is agender!

[frigid tinsel]

No gender = genderless = agender

[glacial cypress]

Yes. Except the Gloating Narcissist who identifies as a man

[untold notch]

no except

[glacial cypress]

I don't think it's really fair to say that the Narcissist cannot consider himself a man

[frigid tinsel]

Gloat is quoting a line in a book that was written in a time before nonbinary terminology was widespread. I don’t think Gloat is identifying as a man but rather referring to themself with the term in a gender neutral fashion.

That line conflicts with dev statements that everyone is agender, so it’s best to assume they’re using a gendered term but not identifying with it.

[earnest briar]

Personally I think Gloat just made up the word man when the Sky world doesn't have it just to sound cool and unique

[white junco]

i mean i call myself a man pretty much every day but i’m really not one, gender is complicated

[glacial cypress]

That's totally fine too. That's a valid explanation, after all most things in the game are very vague and open to interpretation

[keen shore]

The thing is, if Gloat is a man and gender doesn’t exist in this world, how’d they find out what gender was?

[earnest briar]

Gloat invented gender just so they could call themselves a man

[glacial cypress]

Idk, after all the Narcissist was just visited by an alien life form from another planet. Maybe a species that does have gender visited him and explained it and he decided he was a man

[white junco]

tlp proves gender is contagious

[glacial cypress]

It is also interesting to note that in some languages the spirits actually do have gendered names. I don't consider those Canon, its just that in certain languages there is no way to describe a particular occupation without attaching gender to it

[sharp lichen]

That’s an L for those languages unfortunately

[glacial cypress]

So unfortunately in some circumstances the devs did have to decide which gender to describe spirits as

[frigid tinsel]

The problem with this argument is that more often than not, Gloat’s word choice here has been used as a “gotcha” to dismiss the fact that gender doesn’t exist in Sky, so I have a hard time taking it genuinely.

[spring python]

Me coughing near my trans friend to help her transition (I am not trying to kill her with the 70 unidentified diseases I carry I’m just being a good friend)

[sharp lichen]

Though it’s not consistent, since a spirit may be gendered masculine in some languages while feminine in others. It’s a linguistic restriction, not a lore feature.

[glacial cypress]

Ya I agree that it's not to be taken as fact. The original language of the game is English, whenever you're discussing what's Canon in any story you have to look at what is actually said in the original language it was written in

[spring python]

Speaking of linguistic differences, fun fact, Daylight Prairie is called Campina da Aurora in Portuguese

[sharp lichen]

It’s frustrating to see one of the most important and widespread facts on the Sky kingdom be only referenced indirectly or though 2-year-old messages.

Sky lore is not easy to get all the pieces of, that’s why it’s so important that everyone can learn and be educated on it.

Like in the actual Sky game, the veterans help the moths.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a number of things the devs seem to use internally that aren’t necessarily canon. For instance, devs refer to the realms and the Elders by their time of day names from concept (Dawn for Isle, Day for Prairie). Some of us have picked up on it and started using those names ourselves, but Ktjn, again, clarified that those are internal but not their true names in-universe: #lore-discussion-spoilers message and #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Likewise there are Abyss concepts that gender the spirits, but those are concepts, not canon. Once Abyss was released, the spirits were spoken of with they/them pronouns. Presumably the devs do gender some spirits internally, but even their internal terminology is explicitly not canon either.

I’ll admit that this is something I noticed as a writer myself where I’ll have characters that may have began as men or women who turned out nonbinary as I developed them, but my brain still refers to said characters sometimes as men or women (for instance one character uses any pronouns but I tend to default to he/him). However my characters are still nonbinary. That is a fact I chose for them in the same way that the devs perhaps affirm the genderlessness of the characters in Live, not concept. Living in a world socialized with the gender binary, it is difficult to kick those ingrained assumptions, but actively working against that socialization is the only way we can have progress and affirm the spot of nonbinary people in our world.

[keen shore]

Hey, I agree with you on sky lore being really hard to gather and on communication and teaching being important, but as a veteran with really bad social anxiety that often gets set off by being expected to teach or guide others, it being treated like an obligation is very anxiety inducing. Just wanted to let you know.

[frigid tinsel]

I’m trans, a genderqueer man. My existence breaks the cisheteronormative structures I was raised in, but unfortunately I continue to live in society and among people that keeps trying to enforce traditional norms or misgender myself. Because there are some things I subvert about traditional masculinity, the transphobes in my life have used that to try to deny my manhood. The exposure causes me to even even misgender myself internally. Me, who is well aware of the social constructs of gender roles and norms around us, will still automatically ascribe gender to someone based on those roles and norms. That ticks me off. It makes me feel awful. But I actively work against those automatic assumptions, asserting myself despite being exposed and reinforced to transphobia and with it repeating in my brain. I don’t say that aloud though because that would make me a jerk. It’s easy to fall to the sides of our automatic behaviors like with socialized prejudices, but it actively pushing against those automatic assumptions to which we will defy them.

[sharp lichen]

This may be a topic for a different time, but I do think ||the key for Sky to become a more inclusive space for non-binary people is education about these topics, and fighting against ignorance in the Sky community is a thing that should be done to prevent people from falsely claiming facts they know little about in Sky.||

[glacial cypress]

I honestly feel like TGC is just inconsistent on gender and different members of the staff probably have different opinions. The game mostly avoids using gendered language, but then you have statements like this

[keen shore]

Yes, I agree with you on that front, I’m just wary of the duty phrasing specifically. It also feels very weird for me as an agender person to be expected to be the one doing all of the same work to explain this, over and over again. I’ve already done it a lot. After the twentieth time, it gets exhausting.

I want to explain things, I want to help teach others, but that being an expectation of me is entirely different than me doing it on my own terms. Social expectations are rigid and restricting and scary, especially when this one — helping others learn more about lore — seems by your emphasis in the past and present to be the only or at least main thing I should do. I’d love to not be expected to put really enjoyable brainstorming sessions aside for teaching different people the same things over and over again. Especially because, due to the nature of this game’s lore, it can be really hard to agree on those things

[glacial cypress]

Honestly in my experience most people I meet in Sky have no conception of the lore and don't particularly care

[keen shore]

Granny specifically is really weird when it comes to gender. They get she/herd probably more than any other spirit?
I think this is possibly due to inconsistency as you said, with some staff members conflating being agender and being open to interpretation as the same thing, and also sometimes slipping up when it comes to pronouns. It’s understandable but makes our job a lot harder

[glacial cypress]

I always thought Grandma was just a fan name. Fans call characters all sorts of nicknames that just end up sticking, I was actually shocked to learn that TGC is the origin of the nickname.

[sharp lichen]

||I never said that teaching should by the main thing done by lore veterans.

I’ve often compared lore veterans to actual Sky veterans: sure, they help moths (and probably should help moths more), but they still do other things besides that. Lore veterans are similar in that regard: they should help moths, but that doesn’t mean there’s no room for anything else.

All of us should work together to help the people who need it the most (sounds familiar, doesn’t it?)||

[glacial cypress]

Grandma's official name in game was just "Belonging Guide", which following with any in-game description of a character, is not gendered. But TGC used she/her pronouns for the character on their official Twitter

[frigid tinsel]

Granny is funny (neg) cos “Granny/Grandma” were fandom terms, but otherwise their canon name is “Belonging guide” or “Belonging Ancestor.” It’s seems that the frequent exposure of referring to them as Granny or Grandma in the community has spread to the devs, hence some slipping up by using those names and referring to them as she/her since those are the pronouns usually associated with those monikers.

It’s like a “krill” vs “dark dragon” situation, where dark dragons are canonically “dark dragons” yet the fandom has called them “krill” so much that even devs will use the term. In Skytober 2022, “krill” was a prompt.

Does that mean that “krill” is the now canon name for dark dragons? No, it’s linguistic blending to make communicating with the community easier by adopting their terms whether willingly or unconsciously due to exposure. I assume this is happening with Belonging guide/Granny too.

[glacial cypress]

Krill is an interesting one. TGC never used the word krill in any official capacity until Mischief this year. The devs character called the rideable krill a "Krill roller coaster" and called the cat a krill cat

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve seen devs in Skycord refer to dark dragons as “krill” before Mischief 2022, though this is the first time the term has shown up on social media afaik. There are even emotes here named krill__.

[keen shore]

I get that you may not have meant it to sound like it was the only thing we should do, but it seemed to be implied. Maybe I misinterpreted, sorry about that.

But here, in your text, the obligation continues. I might be more sensitive to this because, as an in game veteran with social anxiety, I feel lots of pressure to take on and teach moths when it’s not something I feel comfortable doing. I also don’t feel comfortable with that pressure here. If I like someone, I’ll be friends with them, and I’ll explain stuff to them if they need me to.

It also feels oddly to me like there’s an implied hierarchy here, although that might just be me again. I don’t want lore moths to be lesser than me or a somehow distinct category just because they’re new, I want to treat them as equals.

[glacial cypress]

That is actually what they said in the game, not on social media. The mischief herald and their buddies called them krill

[untold notch]

if people ask for the whole lore of sky I'm not helping them ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

[sharp lichen]

At least provide them with something…

It’s not an obligation, rather a helpful small action that benefits the Sky community as a whole.

[untold notch]

nope! I am under zero obligation to do so especially when they ask That

[glacial cypress]

Personally I love Sky's lore, I love how buried and obscure it is. We learn the lore from the point of view of our characters, who are told nothing and can only make assumptions based on the things they see. I love talking about lore, so when I meet anyone who is interested I love to explain it. But no one is ever obligated to give their time to anyone

[potent sedge]

i love Tom Zhao's concept art of sky, it shows a lot of what-could-have-beens and stuff and it's so cool

[sharp lichen]

Even just educating a smidge about Sky lore can turn a would-be-perceived bigot into a person in support of Sky’s lack of gender.

[glacial cypress]

Yes I've examined every drawing on his site. I've noticed that almost every season includes concepts he drew that never made it into the game originally

[potent sedge]

The hair in the Aurora season is very similar to one of his concept art hair things ,the one with the braid and the ring at the tip

the original Storm with the King's Spear and stuff looks FANTASTIC honestly, i wish we could see that

[frigid tinsel]

In another game I play, Celeste, there are some terms the widespread fandom use to refer to certain things that haven’t been named explicitly in game, though on social media some of the devs have said that these things have names and have told us what those names are, but still refer to those things with the fandom names. Likewise some of the players have started using the dev terms. It’s exposure causing linguistic blending, a fault of communication and how social humans are. It makes things like how things are in canon tricky, though I am more willing to side with the devs who worked on the game on what is true in-universe rather than the social media managers.

[glacial cypress]

Yep. In shattering, the memory of the whale is literally in the exact pose as his original whale drawing. The whale in that memory is significantly bigger than the one we see in the game too, it's rendered to the proportions of Tom's original drawing

[untold notch]

Kevins

[frigid tinsel]

Astral gets me

[keen shore]

I think we’re talking past each other. I say that I’m fine helping sometimes but I really don’t appreciate being obligated to, you think I don’t want to help at all.

[glacial cypress]

The elder manta in Sanctuary was one of Tom's original alternate designs for the whale. The Leviathan in Abyss was an alternate concept for Krill, which at the time were named "Plague"

[untold notch]

Celeste is such a game especially for speedrunning

[glacial cypress]

I'm actually surprised there's no big speedrunning community in Sky tbh. I feel like Eden speedruns in particular could make for some hot competition

[lusty merlin]

you reminded me of that one guy who who did an obvious joke SPEEDrun that was spliced and it got accepted before it was removed

[frigid tinsel]

peedrun

[glacial cypress]

It is particularly strange considering that a huge number of players in Sky speed run. We use speed running tactics and are constantly looking out for new optimizations and glitches to make our runs faster and more efficient

[sharp lichen]

There is, actually! And I’m on it, https://www.speedrun.com/thatskygame/level/Isle_of_Dawn#Single_Player

[glacial cypress]

That sounds great. I don't think I'd actually participate lol, I'm not that good. But I'd be very curious to see what the records are and what techniques are created to beat them

[potent sedge]

What I gathered from Tom Zhao's concept art is a lot of things
There is/was a 'holy land'.
No animals like the mantas and stuff aren't allowed in the 'holy land', and were purged when they invaded.
Sunset/Valley is celebrating the 'victory' of the purge in the holy land.
The boats were made bc the ancestors were 'naturally' unable to fly.
Skykids/descendants are a mix of Darkstone, the material that simultaneously helped the Ancestors technologically but also corrupted them, and the light.
If Zhao's art is to be believed, then the 'source of ancient power' in forest is actually a power diamond creation machine that puts a 'stamp' on it, and like we see in Abyss, they were extracting light from animals and turning them into 'batteries'.

there is a TON of lore in the concept art, but how much of it translated into sky i can't really say much, but i'm rolling in it.

[keen shore]

only some of that stuff is likely true in live, the power diamond as ancient power is one of them

[glacial cypress]

I think Tom's art is a really good referencing for understanding the story, and we can make a lot of observations from it that hold true in the game, but it shouldn't be taken as Canon unless you can actually see it directly in the game yourself

[potent sedge]

ye true

i still wanna see more about megabird tho
heck are we sure about the big sky bird in orbit being megabird? is that confirmed?

[frigid tinsel]

Not confirmed but something that is probably the Live iteration from concept. Like the concept king becoming Chosen One depicted on Prophecy murals.

[glacial cypress]

I just personally consider "The Light" to be the games equivalent of megabird

[potent sedge]

ahh

[frigid tinsel]

Concept Megabird prob became this Megabird we see at the end credits.

[glacial cypress]

I doubt they will ever elaborate more on the light than that tbh, it works best as a mysterious and unknowable source of life

[keen shore]

Grabs you and holds you gently in my mouth

[white junco]

well there’s the light & there’s the Light

[potent sedge]

the one thing that i love about the concept art is that it shows the gem or whatever it is being the soul of the skykid and i love it so much

[frigid tinsel]

I use “the light” to refer to all light and “the Light” to refer to the big mass of light in space, this thing

Orbit is also referred to the Light in game so I think of Orbit as the surface of the Light

[potent sedge]

from zhao's site, i lvoe this

[round parrot]

Hmm
Is there a Megabird mural found anywhere? If so, where is it? ||(and may I have an image of it please? )||

[glacial cypress]

Yeah I consider that thing to be The Light, and it to be Sky's equivalent of a deity or divine force

[frigid tinsel]

On the Forgotten Ark, the far left, is prob Megabird.

[potent sedge]

There is one in the secret area, it's on the water thingie circling around the portal

[glacial cypress]

There was a big bird in the promotional art for Flight that u could theoretically call a Mega bird. I don't think it was "The megabird" though lol

[round parrot]

It is an elder bird though
Like Elder Mantas

[keen shore]

1&2] surround the office portal
3] one of many megabird murals on the Ark

[glacial cypress]

I really wish we got to see the elder bird in game lol I loved it's design

[frigid tinsel]

This is more headcanon but I like to think the Light is the mass of all ascended beings of light while Megabird is the consciousness that arose from all those animate beings in the Light like a hivemind. Megabird is the Light’s consciousness and acts on the Light’s behalf.

[keen shore]

Omg friends jumpscare… that’s me hiii

[round parrot]

Wait, if mantas and birds have an elder version of their kind, is there an elder butterfly and/or an elder skykid?

[frigid tinsel]

That was the best image I could pull up quickly and I didn’t feel like fighting the wiki

[potent sedge]

is it weird that i think that aurora is the voice of the light or is that weird

[pastel brook]

When the last tree in Hidden Forest has fallen and the rivers in Golden Wasteland are poisoned, you cannot eat darkstone oh no

[potent sedge]

when in the heck of hecks was THIS lyric added alex /lh /j

[pastel brook]

:pWeep:

[glacial cypress]

So my opinion of Aurora is that she is like Music itself as a deity in Sky's world. Sort of a demi God of a concept that formed consciousness, similar to Alistairs view of The Light and Megabird

[sharp lichen]

Even if the last Lorechat kid has fallen and the Skycord members have been poisoned, I cannot ever lose any form of my sheer rage against your very existence.

[potent sedge]

i love this idea
me and my dad think that the orb shield thingie around aurora given by the spirits is used to awaken aurora

[sharp lichen]

Not a real reaction, skill issue

[frigid tinsel]

In my headcanon, Megabird is a mere consciousness and doesn’t have a form or voice Themself, instead borrowing the forms of ascended beings within the Light and speaking through them.

However Aurora could be considered a manifestation of Megabird, a form They created Themself to represent Themself or to separate from the Light and be animate Themself (though I don’t think Megabird is capable of doing that but it’s a possibility). Aurora could also be an avatar of Megabird, an incarnation of Them and this have Their own, or Aurora’s, voice.

(btw please don’t ping me).

[keen shore]

Hey Baud, jsyk, replying to skybots messages just floods the chat of useful things. It’s a bot; it can’t hear your insults.

[potent sedge]

o sorry about the ping

[frigid tinsel]

Frankly I want to see how the Season fo Aurora plays out before amending my Megabird headcanon cos as a mere consciousness, Megabird doesn’t have a form Themself but rather borrows them from beings in the Light. I wrote how Megabird presents Themself in Orbit to skykids as multiple spirits speaking at the same time.

So my Megabird can’t separate from the Light, can’t descend to the world Themself, because their existence is so intricately linked to the beings in the Light that compose Them

Yes I write Sky fanfiction smh

[glacial cypress]

I also see Aurora as sort of a deity of Sky in a meta sense, like if you imagine Sky's creators as it's pantheon of Gods, she was responsible for working on the games music from the beginning, of course not to as significant an extent as Vincent Diamante, but still. So that's why I consider her a God of Music to the residents of Sky's world

[frigid tinsel]

My interpretation of the Sky world is sorta godless. Megabird is considerably a deity due to Their power and manifestation, but Megabird is the only “god.” some of Their creations may have godlike capabilities like the Elders, but they aren’t gods. Demigods doesn’t feel apt for them either, feels too strong, they’re just the Elders.

I grasp that on a meta level Aurora is an individual herself tied to a voice that has been considered Megabird and I think that too, I am just not sure where to slot that into my Skyverse just yet

[glacial cypress]

That's a fair analysis too, she is the one who's voice we hear when we enter the light, and the voice we hear when we're "born". But ya I don't think I'd say that Sky's universe really has an all knowing creator deity like an abrahamic God, just very powerful and mysterious cosmic forces

[frigid tinsel]

Before this season, I had started thinking of the voice we hear at the start of Isle and while ascending as the song of the Light, in part cos skykids’ honks synchronize to that singing while ascending and in Orbit. Aurora’s voice sings the song of the Light, the culmination of all the beings of Light altogether in harmony, connected with each other in such a way more intimately on a mental and metaphysical level that surpasses the bonds we have limited to physically.

A choir can sing a song together with practice and led by a director, but the beings in the Light, the Light, do not need a director. They just know™️ what to sing and ascended beings flow with that song.

My presumed reason for why we hear it when born in Isle is because skykids had just left the Light and are hearing the last of the song before descending to the world and disconnecting from the Light and its Harmony.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea my interpretation of Megabird isn’t an omnipotent entity separate from the world like the Abrahamic God or gods in a pantheon. My Megabird is the culmination and the manifestation of a force, this force bejng light, which is everywhere and within every being of Sky.

[torpid stag]

So I just figured something out and I wanted to know if anyone else has ever noticed this. But in this King concept art, I noticed that when you zoom really close up it looks like the kings mask is actually just the prince in a shining light, and the body is a mountainous pedestal. Which made me realize that the glowing kid at the end of eden, is it actually the prince?? (is this common knowledge and I'm just now finding out about it)

[potent sedge]

honestly the idea of it being the kid at the end of eden sounds very cool

[random token]

There was some negativity in this chat.. I don't like. Lore chat revive

[sharp lichen]

Hello Watuh

[random token]

Hi

whay if gloating narcissist was a triplet of the twin elders

and he got kicked out cus he's smelly

Idk it's almost 11 I'm just making stuff up.

[silver dome]

… Is there any lore for memory candles and message boats? Like why do they only show for friends at first, then after 3(?) hearts, appear for everyone else?

[random token]

I think sky technology

[silver dome]

Maybe?

[copper saffron]

the king is the prince in a giant mech suit

[frigid tinsel]

that's likely a game mechanic more than anything

[candid flint]

Literally getting messages peer reviewed.

[compact shale]

Peer review is when other scientists review your research paper and give feedback on it.

[slate saffron]

I appreciate that Moon thinks so highly of us, then

[lapis plover]

I keep seeing people saying that Isle Elder raised Eden Elder. Where did that theory come from?
(Also, apparently the Elders are supposed to be dead? I always thought they were alive but weakened)

[fickle forge]

Now β Can you install the version?

[pastel brook]

thats REALLY deep fam

I feel like trying something other than peas, how about some salt & pepper apple slices? I heard they are popular

[pastel brook]

Hey @lucid egret, I've heard you know where every single Winged Light is!

[heady sequoia]

time to find out what i missed

[round parrot]

WAIT
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

**ITS DALETH DECEMBER **
Happy Daleth December everybody

[unreal gyro]

yay!! Daleth December!

[pliant ice]

help who's Daleth again-

[halcyon hull]

Isle Elder

[pliant ice]

oh okok ty

[lucid egret]

I do!

[tepid veldt]

daleth december is a time without slander for our beloved friend-shaped gamer dawn

[earnest briar]

Dawn probably has a gamer pad

[astral tendon]

Is it OK to talk abt the new beta season?

[boreal nebula]

Fellow lorechat members, don't you think it's quite obvious from the newly added instrument (the Vocal Instrument 🎙️)is what the symbol on the instrument kiosk stands for?

Or at very least that painted ✳️ is in a way linked to music and sound.

Outside of the game mechanics interpretation, e.g. on Isle and Ark murals, it could also be seen as a symbol of a rock/asteroid/fallen star holding great power in its core. That's why we could speculate that four of these rocks were brought as a gift to the Isle Temple to harness the 4 elements in The Trials.

Which sort of brings another similarity, suggesting me another minor interpretation l: a gift, cause many of the instruments and props from that kiosk are special things, thoughtfully crafted by TGC for us to enjoy.

[boreal nebula]

Nothing that it is still in development can go out of beta channels

Even because it could change

[hushed steeple]

in elder cutscenes did anyone else realize that every elder points up in some way??

[boreal nebula]

But if you mean Old Beta (aka Sky: Light Awaits, pre grobal release), yeah, this is a good place to chat

[boreal nebula]

Yeah . Mainly to Eden but maybe towards Orbit

[hushed steeple]

true

[boreal nebula]

I like to think it has a more spirit meaning, like Orbit, rather than leading us to Eden

Something mayve related to "Bring our spirits there" or similar, I can't recall the perfect quote from the Intro Murals Tunnel

[spring python]

It’s kind of implied the base game spirits you relive can’t reach orbit until you mediate for the first time after relieving then, and the ones who send them on their way are the elders

[boreal nebula]

I think it just stems from some fanfics/headcanons where you can see Daleth as a fatherly figure. Just for exaple some see Teth as and aunt while Lamed as a mother (others might see their role switched).

[boreal nebula]

Good point! It has been so much time since I was a moth that forgot the base spirits stand/sit around the meditation spot in front of each temple altar to "ascend"

I might had even payed little attention to that till I saw pictures of them in #screenshots-and-videos

[untold notch]

for the closet?

[rocky grove]

I have a question, what's with the cheering during valley races? where does it come from? dead spirits?

[austere bridge]

we don’t know, but there’s a headcanon that sunset uses cyan light to blow wind through specific tunnels so that there’s the sound of cheering, but nobody actually cheering. kinda like canned laughter, but canned cheering.

[lucid egret]

I support that theory because that’s hilarious

[rocky grove]

sunset? cyan light?

[austere bridge]

sunset - valley elder
cyan light - the elemental light of wind

[rocky grove]

OHH

[gentle oak]

Hello lore chat im back with another qeustion, and it might just be me but it seems like somewhere in the background in Eden there’s some building? Between a wall?? I don’t know but it looks like something holding it together or a giant waypointer. Could also be a statue I really wanna know the map is really confusing (sorry if it’s a weird question

[naive imp]

Not sure if this is correct so take it with a pinch of salt, but I always assumed those structures were the original support struts for the now-torn out castle above Eden? Holding the mountain together, as it were-no clue if that makes sense though!

[rigid mural]

Those could simply be a structure of the castle ! We know from an official tiktok comment (and ash's clarification) that Eden's appearance may look like the way it was at different points in time depending on where you are.

Took some OOB pics recently, you can recognize the spires. I also am providing pictures of walls that could obscure them;

[spring python]

Me waiting for the approval letter for architecture uni so I can draw what I think eden was like

[gentle oak]

oo those do look like the one I saw if you add a couple more lines to it!

If you look closely you can actually make out it has a really sharp top

[glacial cypress]

This is a pretty common belief. We have no way go confirm it, but in the original storyboards the King is said to be the only ancestor who's spirit is trapped in Eden, so to me it's always seemed logical that the child we hug is him

[torpid stag]

yesss I only call him the prince because, I see the small version as prince and the whole entity as the "king" but he really is the king too. I cant believe I never realized it before but when I found out I was freakin out (i love king lore sm)

i used to think that the glowing child was just you in some way being reborn, but it makes so much sense that its the king trapped inside the eye after everything became corrupt

this is a big theory, but I wonder if all of us going to eden and hugging him is somehow releasing him slowly, and maybe thats why eden is exploding, because hes trying to break free??? but again that is a huge theory cuz idk if tgc would ever do something like that. but its very obvious that the shards are the kings doing since they are his memories trapped inside of the bits of his eye

[uncut pond]

The King and Prince aren't completely canon to the game anymore btw, we now have the Chosen One and the Eden Elder/Storm instead, and if they're even the same person is debatable

[torpid stag]

yeahhh I know its not written in sky lore, but idk personally I still stand by it, theres just so much evidence even if they dont go by the same names. I think also that maybe the "prince" was just a sky kid like us and there was only one at first

its all just very fun to theorize

[sharp lichen]

Anyways, none of those names are really canon; it’s just fan terms.

[frigid tinsel]

King/Prince since they come from concepts. Chosen One is at least an assumption from Live and therefore more likely accurate

[marble lynx]

Who is the Chosen one? Sky kids?

[uncut pond]

I know none of them are canon, but I believe we should at least make an attempt to use names that fit better/are more accurate to the roles characters have in the live version of the game (or at least the role they're most likely to have, we can't always be 100% sure)

[gentle oak]

It’s the person that you can see in the murals in the prophecy cave, they appear when you light the lamps after completing the fire trial

[marble lynx]

Icic

[frigid tinsel]

The skykid who presumably completed the prophecy in the Cave of Prophecy murals and is in the Eden mural.

[rain pond]

the diamond head is what happened after chosen one infused darkstone into their cereal

they used to have a halo but now their head is angular
/j

[sharp lichen]

Concepts or assumption, which one? #

There’s also Resh

[rain pond]

(they draw king/prince/resh/chosen one with the halo out of respect (theyre self-conscious about angular head syndrome))

[frigid tinsel]

King, prince, and Resh are all from concept art. Chosen One is an assumption given the trope of the “chosen one fulfills a prophecy” sort of deal

[keen shore]

Old Concept art character vs theorized character basically

[forest hornet]

Oh all knowledgeable ones I have a question to ask
Why is parts of vault of knowledge seemingly in a void of some kind

[native shoal]

From what I’ve seen, current guess is an illusion, a dream, or straight up special magic

[forest hornet]

Special magic/illusion does make sense
Since when we go up levels the red lil sparkles make it so we don't fall all the way down

But with the illusion part would it be like they do jt just for the effect/look of it and it's not actually a endless void cuz I mean I'd get it it looks cool lol

[rigid mural]

planes theory

basically: the vault makes you go higher, both literally and mentally

[spring python]

(That’s actually how spiritism works sort of)

The only difference is that in spiritism it’s not that easy to interact with different planes and there’s a degree of how much a certain individual can do it (some are more sensitive some are less) whereas in Sky it seems like it’s sort of easy to anyone to interact with them

[forest hornet]

Ooooh that's such a good idea!

Tho im not very knowledgeable on how spiritual planes work so another thing to research!

[rigid mural]

Or perhaps skykids are fine-tuned !

[frigid tinsel]

The interior of the Vault is thought to be altered or obscured by purple light gone rogue

[spring python]

Could be, I don’t think we see many other beings interacting with spirits anyways

[rigid mural]

wait nevermind, crabs attack spirit memories

[frigid tinsel]

I had the idea that spirit memories help tune us to the plane that petrified spirits are on since you can only see ancestor husks once you activate spirit memories

[queen pike]

oh yeah, it's all coming together...

[versed hill]

very

[keen shore]

I’m late but my explanation for why Vault is like that is that it’s manifested almost entirely out of purple light. Hence why it was even possible to make a structure of that size (you can see exposed pieces of it right before you enter the wasteland temple, and when you fly up to orbit, so it isn’t all tunnels.) Now, with the elder who maintained it’s light being severely weakened, the structure itself glitches out of existence at some parts and manifests random objects at others

[white junco]

can we get much higher

[forest hornet]

Okay I gotta ask since Google is making it a bit confusing could someone explain to me like I'm 5 how the whole spiritual planes work exactly (if anyone's willing ofc <3)

[eternal totem]

So hiiigh

[keen shore]

pressing my lips together hard and trying not to laugh at this caption

[frigid tinsel]

it's sorta hard to explain cos it can break your brain but the thought is that there is more to reality than the one we interact with. we are attuned to the tangible plane of existence. there are various more planes that are adjacent to the tangible plane that we may not be immediately aware of, but one could attune themselves to those adjacent planes, such as seeing ghosts that exist on an adjacent spiritual plane, or leave the tangible plane entirely to enter another dimension, like the Trials (or the Elders' pocket dimensions).
and
the tangible plane is the plane we currently exist on, where we are able to interact with entities and objects within it without requiring any special actions or circumstances. we just can with ease. thus "tangible plane" is subjective to the inhabitants of that plane and those who don't exist within it.

"adjacent to the tangible plane" is sorta like alternative dimensions or parallel universes (although because I know too much math I prefer to term "perpendicular universes" but whatever no one uses it) where other realities are similar to our tangible plane or intersect with it. this means these planes of existence are close to each other and theoretically accessible to those on other planes of existence. in fact, some of these planes of existence may share a landscape and exist on top of each other, but may not be viewable or tangible to each other's inhabitants because they do not exist within it.

meditating "clears our mind" and let's us detach from our tangible plane in order to see and interact with other planes, but adjacent planes and parallel universes are closer and the most similar, thus the most accessible. depending on the location of that plane – whether it's on top of ours or merely close metaphysically – we may be moving from one plane to another (elder cutscenes) or seeing the other realities around us.

Idk if that helps I’m too tired to explain it again

[forest hornet]

Oooooh okay!! I think I understand it more now!

[rigid mural]

dnd planes of existence, shadowfell and feywild in particular

[white junco]

i always think of it like a big jello cube

[rigid mural]

is it edible

[marble lynx]

Can we touch them?

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps

[spring python]

Once

[south oracle]

Everything is edible at least once

[marsh sluice]

Can anyone explain me the lore of the season of abyss. I really want to know more about that sea monster, it looks so cool!

[tepid veldt]

just went to eden
them 🤍

[round parrot]

Questions for Lorechat's dark plant OCs:

1. How does your OC interact with other light creatures and/or ancestors?
2. What does your OC think about the darkness (in general)?
3. What do they do with the darkness on them? Do they maintain it alongside their light?
4. How did your OC get the darkness in the first place?

Planning on making a dark plant OC, but I am not sure how they would interact with the kingdom & have a background to said OC

[forest iris]

okay wait so why is there sand in Vault

[forest hornet]

I'm guessing it's from holes/openings in the walls of vault letting sand from wasteland

[round parrot]

The sand in Vault is symbolic of the sand in Isle of Dawn, during the cutscene of getting from floor 1 to floor 2, we see the Isle's constelation during said cutscene

[forest hornet]

Oh yeah!

[candid flint]

oh it's not just tracked in from the starlight desert?

[frigid tinsel]

Could be tracked in from Wasteland. Starlight Desert wasn’t always accessible

[candid flint]

RIGHT. Momentarily forgot that there was a time before it that I never witnessed AND that wasteland is the previous area. You're super smart and giving my attempts at Occam's razor-ing a run for their money

[frigid tinsel]

I’m not smart, just old (TLP moth)

[candid flint]

TLP wasn't too many seasons away from flight, was it?

[frigid tinsel]

The season prior, yea

[candid flint]

asking because I'm a flight moth and recently celebrated my skyversary

[forest hornet]

Honestly I don't see starlight as like a Canon area considering it's a area for a crossover season with another media

[pastel brook]

Inconceivable!

can sky constellations go in retrograde?

[frigid tinsel]

Really not fair cos the devs clearly put a lot of effort mixing TLP with Sky’s world. Besides, we have shards and a wind path going to Starlight, connecting it with the rest of the world.

By that “crossover is not canon” logic, everything that has happened in the season of Aurora so far would also not be canon, but you’d be hard pressed to argue the changes to the coliseum are not actually happening in-universe.

[candid flint]

i wish i understood how going into retrograde works because that's an interesting question

[outer hare]

bobbit

[compact shale]

I think we need to take collab canon on a season-by-season basis.

SoTLP makes an effort to connect the media together by having each grown-up spirit represent a Sky elder, as well as the wind path stuff as Alasdair said before.

Meanwhile, SoAurora makes an effort to connect AURORA to Sky by having each spirit be connected to the four elements/lights of Prophecy, and having their memories based on the Sky civilization's growth (according to the mail on the new patch update, someone please provide a screenshot). Also, Ash has something to say about it.

While it's true that TGC likes leaving some things to interpretation, it's clear that they want to make a point that at least SOME parts of their collabs are actually canon to the Sky universe.

[round parrot]

#looking-for-group-live

[rigid mural]

Haven't talked here in a bit so lessgo, I'm gonna answer with Abalone, my seal skyfolk :]

1. How does your OC interact with other light creatures and/or ancestors?
As they normally would; to them, the only difference is that they have lower light due to the dark plants coming out of the right side of their face.
They do have a closer bond with sky seal/manatees because they remember being one in a past life.

2. What does your OC think about the darkness (in general)?
They don't fear it as much as other skyfolk; to them, a balance can be struck between light and darkness as naturally, they're opposites but not necessarily in conflict. Think of it as recognizing that it's like comparing deserts to rainforests or summer to winter.

3. What do they do with the darkness on them? Do they maintain it alongside their light?
They do have to keep the dark blooms in check as they feeds off their light so they don't do so in a way that harms them, but otherwise they are content leaving them here as they partially hide their light from hostile dark creatures such as krills and help them dive deeper.

4. How did your OC get the darkness in the first place?
Got too curious and swam into the depths of the Treasure Reef.

[copper saffron]

My character can use the Darkness too, but in a different way due to the crossover nature of it. However, I believe it still lines up with how it can be shown in Sky, the crossover is just an extension of it.
My headcanon states that skykids are made up of both Light and Darkness, Light being their life force, and Darkness being their physical forms. This is evidenced by our deaths in Eden, when we turn into statues reminiscent of the ones already there. Darkness is about stillness and memory, as the Shattering shards can store frozen memories.
When a skykid's Light is extinguished, Dark crystals grow on them, which is the Darkness inside leaking out.
So what if a skykid can learn to harness this Darkness inside them, control its stillness, the ability to freeze...
Coincidentally, Destiny has a manifestation of Darkness that is exactly this: Stasis, manifesting as ice-like crystals, freezing matter itself into absolute stillness.

[round parrot]

OC concept dump:
(the spoilered part may contain ||body horror||)
A Skykid, who wanders in GW, think that using dark plants from the realm can disguise them from the darkness in that realm, though overtime, those darkness plants start to ||attach itself to that Skykid||, the Skykid once tried to resist it, but soon learn that maybe darkness wasn't a bad thing afterall

[copper saffron]

(yes myst, this is skye again. i probably shouldve spoilered it but oh well, the secret is out)

[tepid veldt]

skye is everywhere

[copper saffron]

that must mean that i am everywhere

[boreal nebula]

Just another element in favor of my idea, about ✳️ being a symbol of music 🎵. Specfically found in the instrument keypad for the C keys (the Do notes) even if in Harmony Hall these seems to be two different symbols

[boreal nebula]

Althought I think you could say the spiky diamond we reveice from spirits (share a picture if you have one, please) might also be a more solid representatio of ✳️ as a solid abstratation of A Gift

[sharp lichen]

Considering it appears in the Sky map and is a location in the Wind Paths, it’s probably canon

[boreal nebula]

1. I think they would interact with them much like we do while playing, but with a more blissful eyes, ignoring that something they see is actually a bad thing and misinterpeting it as a game or one word for another : splashing food on the mask (instead of eating), fainting as a play dead game (instead a dying sequence) or a ritual for just a cool pose (instead of the ritual which all Lightseekers perform to collect light/lightforce, maybe learned indeed from Ceremony Whisperer)

2. They think darkness is just light in a colder form, instead of absolute evil. For example blue crystals when being badly injured is just lightcrystal coagulation coming out of their wounds (and later slowly reabsorbed). It's said they cannot help releaving/grant releaf to red crystals (which always think of them as in a pain/moody/resentful)

3. They might feel weird with darkness on them, especially darkdust or redcrystal like red crabs... They would feel always angry and in pain for some reason, drained of their positive emotion. They do like the darkplant hair pins, but it's too strong the urge to warm that blue light, even if blue plants don't emanate bad vibes.

4. They once got a tiny red shard attached to the shoulder during a Shard Landing and almost bailed on all other skykids during that mission. Eventually they got rid of that parasyte before that redcrystal spread into its final form on their head (taking full control and ending up into full rage and apathy), but it was a just a matter of luck. If it wasn't for a red crab they would've never be striken, felling on an fire prop

[quasi harbor]

Hiya lore chat! I wanted to have a little refresher on the corrupted King We're their names Alef and/or Resh? I remember reading it but that was awhile ago

[rigid mural]

Alef and Resh are both found in concept art, seemed to refer to the prince and king respectively, but in canon no character has been named !

I really like the use of "One" for the trial prodigy (the golden child who is assumed to be the prince), it's from concepts too but used very little.

[quasi harbor]

Hmmm were the prince and king one person or 2 different people?

Or has that no concept/ confirmation?

[rigid mural]

Not sure, not confirmed. We're talking about concept art names, so it could be not even canon.

[quasi harbor]

It's still fun to think about/ theorize on

[rigid mural]

With the prince coming out of the king upon defeat, I like to think that in that particular storyline (not the canon one in live), the king and prince have the same dynamic as a phoenix and its chick; same being.

[quasi harbor]

Ah now I remember. I had a personal theory I never talked about the prince possibly being the Eden elder cuz an elder doesn't seem to be the type to wear a crown but a prince sure does. And the crow ln constellation shows that. I don't really see it as Resh in theory cuz Resh's crown is a star and has been that.

But the whole pheonix thing is something I can totally see!

[uncut pond]

It's worth mentioning that in the Live canon, the character who seems to have replaced the King, the Eden Elder (also called Storm if you use the "Elder name = time of day" naming scheme), "isn't around to be saved anymore", yet devs have also stated that they "have an active role in the story", so with no king to be defeated there's no prince to emerge, although there's many evidence suggesting that SkyKids are fragments of or came from Storm or One.

We also don't even know if One and Storm are the same person, although there's a very high chance that Storm was just One wearing a mecha suit to appear stronger and taller, like some of the concept art shows. ||GET IN THE ROBOT, RESH!||

[sharp lichen]

It’s so confusing, there’s King, Prince, Resh, Chosen One, Eden Elder, and Storm all to refer to similar things

[quasi harbor]

Can't believe they were advanced enough to make mecha suits but not land vehicles 😭

[uncut pond]

Eh, it's not that confusing once you understand the reasoning behind each name

King = Resh = Eden Elder = Storm
Prince = Alef = Chosen One = One

• Resh and Alef are from the very early concept art and are 100% not canon and rarely used
• King and Prince are the roles these characters had in earlier versions of the storyline, kept even when the Live version was starting to take it's current shape
• Eden Elder and Chosen One are the names currently closest to who these characters most likely are based on all the information the Live version gives us
• Storm and One are just shortened versions of Eden Elder and Chosen One respectively

Once you understand why those names exist, it's really easy to remember them

[sharp lichen]

And the question is, which name is best? After all, Megabird has changed a lot since Concept Art and it’s still called that, so why not the King?

[spring python]

Tbh I hate King personally

[sharp lichen]

Why?

[spring python]

Too boring

[flint schooner]

I’d say whichever name fits better depending on what you’re conveying!

And I guess the many names just reflect the many faces of the character. Megabird, on the other hand, is quite monolithic and well defined in its concept form, and doesn’t really have much variation, so… Megabird it is! but just because chicken chonker wasn’t classy enough

[tepid veldt]

not enough soup

[untold notch]

Salem laughing ominously in the distance

[uncut pond]

I don't think Megabird is a good comparison to make since I wouldn't really say it's changed that much since the concept art. Like aside from visual appearance and a few specifics of how light creatures work, Megabird has largely remained the same. And most importantly, the name itself still fits perfectly, it's always been just a gigantic bird-shaped cluster of stars.

"King", one the other hand, doesn't seem to completely fit the version of them that seems to be in the game now, their role has changed a lot and it doesn't feel like the name is completely appropriate anymore
As for the name "Prince"... This is a Hot Take but even with the limited info we had on the concept art I don't think the name "Prince" ever made sense, even back then

[slate saffron]

Is it though? I mean the cluster more looks like a wing than anything else.

Besides that however, the name King seems to perfectly fit their current role in the game. Sure, they've underwent some changes since the concept art (no longer being the antagonist, for one), but their overall position as monarch/leader seems to have remained [considering all the statues of them built in the GW, their recurring motif in most of the Ancestor's architecture, & the fact their (seeming) realm was home to A mountain sized Castle]. It's not like they're just.... some elder now. Lore-wise there's a significance to them that goes beyond what most of the elders have. Their influence isn't just isolated to one or two realms but extends throughout all of them.

I don't get what's causing people to want to abandon the name King, did it fall out of favor at some point & j just wasn't around when it did? Did it get too overused or become associated with something negative? Like just because people are using Chosen One now instead of prince doesn’t mean that King no longer works

Sorry. That became a little rant-y at the end there. Ultimately the terms used for characters are all personal preference, don't let my opinion stop you from using something that people understand better.

Chosen One is a good replacement for Prince, though

[keen shore]

you get me, Let

[uncut pond]

I just don't see why refer to them as King if we aren't gonna refer to Dusk as General and Night as Scholar, I just like consistent naming schemes more (This is a reason why I don't actually mind Resh and Alef as much, since the other elders also have similar names)

Although to be fair, Dawn used to be referred to as "Ferryman" at some point, so perhaps there are concepts out there where the other elders were named by their professions, who knows

[slate saffron]

Well, all those have spirits associated with those names, right? It would be a little confusing to have to specify if you ment scholar(the spirit) or scholar (the elder) every time you refer to them. Besides, calling them an elder sorta makes them sound like an equal to Tsadi, Daleth, etc which isn't the kind of vibe their part in the lore emanates (but to be fair, that's up to interpretation)

[rain pond]

I headcanoned once in the past that Eden is set during midnight. Calling the Eden Elder "Midnight" also feels really cool

[frigid tinsel]

yea, in Zhao's concepts, he sometimes refers to the Elders as capital A Ancestors. this was possibly before the term Elders was used for them. Dawn was Ferryman Ancestor, Rain seems to be Shaman Ancestor, and Dusk likely Warrior Ancestor.

quips from Zhao's timeline that refers to the Elders as these Ancestors.
first image:

Ancients become indifferent and disconnected from the Megabird. The Ferryman Ancestor retires with no new souls to shepherd.
again pointing out Dawn Elder's ferryman psychopomp motif that they seem to maintain even in Live.

second image:

Dark Stone Era: The Prince explores forbidden forests with Shaman Ancestor and unearth dark stone matter that absorbs fore.
I believe this refers to Rain because it speaks of "forbidden forests" and Rain is the Elder of Hidden Forest.

third image:

King orders Warrior Ancestor to build fortress and weapons in the event of another Creature attack.
likely Dusk Elder cos gestures at Wasteland.

[slate saffron]

The Suneater Resh, Bringer of the Dark, King in Midnight

[uncut pond]

Assuming Vault's "Night" refers to evening, the time from sunset to midnight, I think it'd also make sense for Storm to once have been called "Morning", as that's the time from midnight to day, which fits with the idea of Eden representing not just death but rebirth and the cycle of life, just like Isle of Dawn, with Morning representing the end of a day and the beginning of another, and Dawn being the time when that new day truly begins

[austere bridge]

interesting that you mention it potentially being called “morning”; considering all of the death in eden, would it not be a place of mourning as well?

it would certainly be quite the interesting play on words

[rain pond]

but doesn't morning intersect dawn as well?

perhaps twilight would be best

[keen shore]

Does that mean Dusk has to share their name AGAIN

[trim belfry]

I'v just realized something and now I'm mad

[rain pond]

look there's no word for the twilight time between night and dawn like how there is between sunset and night :(

i wish there was one

lol mantan't

[trim belfry]

Why the manta turned into light...we all as lore aficionados know why it should be manta

[rain pond]

the manta turned into diamond

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe Rain’s temple wasn’t used to grind mantas

[trim belfry]

I mean the symbol... the symbol should be manta

[austere bridge]

maybe they grinded up jellyfish instead?

[trim belfry]

Then why there are cages for manta there?

[rain pond]

the concepts indicate that this was used to process darkstone, perhaps the light was put into the giant gold thing and the giant gold thing squashed the diamond

there isn't a single instance in the Zhaoverse where these structures were used to make essence de manta and since the structure is almost exactly the same in-game i'm inclined to think the same is true of the ones in Live

[spring python]

Sharing is caring

Maybe we should do Storm a favor and give them all times of the day by promptly naming them Clock

[rain pond]

perhaps Lucifer because Megabird might have Moon relations

Lucifer fell from grace, he brought (metaphorical) light to the Sky Kingdom (lucifer = lightbringer) and lucifer means morning star (connection to celestial bodies, Megabird = moon/sun, the glowing orb in orbit and credits as well as constellations)

The reason why I'm reluctant to call Eden Elder "Sun" is because that implies they are equal if not superior to Megabird

The Morning Star is still a celestial body but it's less big(bright/significant?) than the Moon

either that or we call them "funky crown person on the mountain"

[uncut pond]

Yes, that was exactly the point I was making, Dawn and Storm symbolize the exact same thing so Storm being/having been Morning makes sense from a thematic standpoint

Also Dusk and Night intersect as well, so this wouldn't be anything new for Elder names

[keen shore]

Dusk has to share their name with two elders. :[

[untold notch]

dusk does not get a single good thing ever instance 1737277272747272

[frigid tinsel]

Dusk and Sunset are synonyms fyi, Dusk and Night are not

[uncut pond]

There are conflicting definitions, but Dusk is usually either the period of twilight after the sunset, or the period of darkness after the twilight that comes after sunset
Going by the latter definition, one could argue that dusk is part of the night, since some define night as the period between sunset and dawn

[frigid tinsel]

Either way, Dusk is still sharing their name

[uncut pond]

Yeah 😔

[rigid mural]

here's how i see it tbh

[spring python]

I call them “my little meow meow” to avoid confusion

It’s funny cause I think English doesn’t have a word for the time between midnight and dawn. We specifically call it “madrugada” in Portuguese

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[spring python]

The day that that reaction image from skybot is disabled is the day that I stop being mean to people

[rigid mural]

The day that ||that reaction image from|| skybot is disabled is the day that I stop being mean to people

[frigid tinsel]

It’s been a while, huh

[rigid mural]

omg bridkeepr

[frigid tinsel]

bridkeepr

[keen shore]

Omg am I the gay jackal

[frigid tinsel]

Yes, I have no other furry that small except Echo

Case in point

[spring python]

Don’t keep gay people on the water they’ll go soggy

[pastel brook]

You are all so cool!

[untold notch]

thats so nice I wish I could say the same about you 🫶

[pastel brook]

Was the prince abandoned by their original parents, or did they never have parents at all? Spooky!

[outer hare]

hold up.

[sturdy wyvern]

I know I’m usually a lurker but skybot what do you mean by this.

[sullen arch]

Hello, this is real?

[sharp lichen]

I have no way of confirming or denying that, check #questions-and-help

[native shoal]

English had the term ‘witching hour’ which is anywhere from midnight to 3-4am but I don’t know the origin of it and it’s not commonly used

[untold notch]

I don't know enough Spanish to be able to read this

[white heart]

It’s the announcement for sky on PlayStation (which is happening)

[uncut pond]

The word "morning" is often used to refer non-exclusively to the hours between 12 and 6 AM, and by definition it does include said hours (but again, non-exclusively)

[upbeat jasper]

I was just doing my vault cr and just noticed this
feels like this is probably lore related

[torn eagle]

What if inside the elevator is a blue version of the eden diamond

Nothing just random thoughts

Hello lorechat

[frigid tinsel]

Or that’s just a power diamond powering the elevator

[torn eagle]

Yea but how big is it

Previous thought was that its just a regular power diamond but looking at the picture brain suddenly pictured the eden diamond shape encased in the elevator

As I said just random thoughts

[shy chasm]

Lorechat I have a question

1. Have you heard of Starlight in sky and
2. If so, in your opinion, what is it in the lore

[frigid tinsel]

Elaborate?

[shy chasm]

If u go back to the isle cave (the one with the candles) the first cave paintings says "all living things were given breath by starlight" or something like that. I wanna know if you guys know more about it and how important you think it is

[frigid tinsel]

Oh yea the isle intro changed.

[torn eagle]

Been thinking

In tomcepts arent power diamonds called artificial stars?

Connected the 7 realms using the power of starlight?

[round parrot]

It's a crime that I haven't seen the new intro

[shy chasm]

you should see it, when you include the power of starlight in the lore everything kinda makes sense

[torn eagle]

Myst

[shy chasm]

Also may I say my take on what the war is about

[torn eagle]

Go ahead ^^

[shy chasm]

Ok so I think that big light in orbit (where you can, sing along) is the source of all starlight. Starlight gives life to things and such. The Eden elder may have tried to steal this power. In the process somehow, darkness was created. (Like the red diamond/red beam of light in Eden might be the source) then a war between spirits and darkness broke out. In the end, GW was a wasteland, and the whirlpool was created to stop the dark creatures from reaching valley and so on. The isle elder sees this and is like "O sh" so, he tells he spirits to gather up starlight, AND SKYKIDS WERE BORN! (look at that cave painting on the stairs after the cave in isle for the spirits bringing stars) some other things to note: WL is probably starlight, crystals and white candles are a way of transferring starlight

Also if you have a question on what something is made of, the answer is most likely starlight..

I have so many more theories that I don't think I can fit them here

[shy chasm]

Did I not make sense 😭

[untold notch]

ppl are tired its late

[austere bridge]

I don’t know much Spanish, but from what I can tell, yes; sky will be coming to ps4/5

[austere bridge]

you made sense to me

[marsh sluice]

That’s so cool! I’m invested!

[shy chasm]

omg I'm so glad other people who are into lore agree with me 😵‍💫

[boreal nebula]

Is it though? I mean the cluster more looks like a wing than anything else.

I couldn't see that too as a wingshaped, until I saw an infographic sketch by Vela which made me realize the tiny middle hook in the cluster could be seen as the head+beak of this wide span phoenix-like cluster (but since it's not symmetric I also picture Megabird in the act of dancing with one tretched wing and one bend over the head)

Regarding the name King I don't if it's true people want to abandon / cast away that. But if they did... The King is dead! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! (insert Queendom Come by Aurora) /hj 🧇

But joke aside, it might just be a matter of context. IMHO somewhere King fits the POV of the analysis (like the laser turrets ststues), but in others we are not 100% of the link between a figure like Chosen One and the King (same OR different person? )

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The original infograph by Vela #lore-discussion-spoilers message
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Duolingo for a "phoenix" reference #lore-discussion-spoilers message
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Here is where I realized Megabird Dancing like no one is watching you #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[outer hare]

bobbitheth

[hushed steeple]

what is this place you were at??

i came to this tab to have questions answered and am even more confused than before-

[tepid veldt]

thats lorechat for ya

[copper saffron]

yep

[sharp lichen]

A secret glitch area, you can watch the Vault Elder cutscene right up close

[uncut pond]

From a videogame standpoint, I doubt it considering that you can't really get past the whirlpool without exploiting the game in some way/it's not designed for you to get past it

[round parrot]

I see
It is just so fun to think about

[hushed steeple]

,, I don't think you can get past, probably, but if there was space I don't think there would be areas 😅

[round parrot]

While I did not mean LITERALLY in game, more of like imagination I suppose

[hushed steeple]

Oo I actually kinda like this theory,, it's really interesting ^^ but I thought the megabird sent down the skykids? Idk I'm confused haha

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, that's what I meant too! I just don't think it would be possible for anything to exist beyond the whirlpool,, its very strong

Sorry

[round parrot]

OH SORRY
I PUT THE NOD EMOTE AS AN AGREEMENT TO YOUR STATEMENT
Sorry if that hurt you or anything

[stark quarry]

Does sky ancestors have like alphabet or some sort of kind? I wanna know about their language

[keen shore]

[sharp lichen]

We need@wheat cypress for that

[untold notch]

nice cold ping you've got there

[boreal nebula]

It's the OOB of the Vault Cutscene, it's complicated to enter there, you need to have a friend to do the piggyback rocket (if that glitch is still not patched)

Sudden idea while watching again the 2nd quest (Soft Inside): The Jellyfish Retcon

Maybe it wasn't a mistake of the different patterns between memory jellyfish and interactible jellyfish. Maybe that simple pattern seen in the memory is what young jelly looks like, and with gettimg old they get bigger but keep simple pattern

With many reincarnations though, they might get a more elaborated patterns. So the baby jelly and grown jelly we see may have already alot of cycles behind their backs. Thus the king jelly we see in Eden Castle are not only have the longest lifespan, but also the most elaborated pattern & the biggest reincarnation counts

In short, what if:

• size means age
• pattern means "Elder" / more rebirths

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Just my usual drop-idea and run

[lucid egret]

Hold up is this Emperor Moths? It looks familiar

[shy chasm]

yeah I kinda made the conclusion because it seems like in the isle elder cut scene he isn't like, surprised like the others, it felt like he knew we were coming. Idk.

[keen shore]

For tebkanlo - @rigid mural noticed this a while ago, their full and really pretty diagram is here 💛
Interestingly, this same pattern also shows up in wastelands war masks!

[boreal nebula]

I see, so I must have figure out something passively, days after I took a glipse of this diagram

But still, beside the pattern also the size might count

[untold notch]

MASK LORE YEAHHH sorry .

[boreal nebula]

Anyway, speaking of another quest: 3rd, aka, Warrior Of Love.

Maybe I'm dumb or maybe it was pretty hard to picture that with the camera movement/angle. Only now I realized Warrior of Love not only won the mantarace match, but also on the last 2 laps. When they catch a sight of the backflip champion getting up from the recovery bed, Warrior was still far behind the first two racers. They surpassed those only during the last 3 lines "warrior of loooove" of the song (and if there is supposed to be a photofinish freeze frame, I cannot see it)

There are 4 freezeframes during the race : 1st and 2nd about Backflip champion getting up, and 4 about a joyful Warrior of Love after landing, but from my POV the 3rd seems just the "finish line" between two poles, empty.

I recall someome comimg up with a better name than "manta races" for this kind of sport, but I sincerely cannot recall 🤔

[uncut pond]

Short Sky Lore summary:

1. The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the ancestors
2. All gay people go to heaven
3. Children can fly but not die
4. Also there was a war or something but we don't know much about that

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit Here’s a more in-depth explanations

That trials thing couldn’t have been a Skykid; since Skykids are depicted differently in murals, the “Elder” is most likely an Ancestor

[fickle snow]

a question, i remember once i heard that, when alef, the possible sky king, arrived, he was an skykid, but that, when he finished the trials, he became the king or something, is this right or wrong

[frigid tinsel]

Debatable

[cobalt palm]

There is a theory, because we see a child fall from the stars in the stargazers memories, and then hints in the prophecy murals that someone completed the trials, and got a crown atop Eden, that this was the king, but nothing solid

[spring python]

There’s a theory that the reason they were chosen as this sort of sovereign was that they managed to retrieve the colored lights from the trials

[cobalt palm]

There are also some "legends" told in the dreams theater that a star that was dimming lowered itself to the ground and became a child
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[fickle snow]

that is the story of our sky kid, isnt it? a fallen star

[frigid tinsel]

It could be

[spring python]

Wonder if this is how vault would look like if emptied off purple light

[untold notch]

I sure hope it isn't

[hushed steeple]

Hello lore chat
I'm kind of new trying to understand the lore so, can someone explain to me who's king and prince? I've heard about it but no one really explained me
Thanks

[frigid tinsel]

I have this write-up on them: #lore-discussion-spoilers message but note almost everything about the king is from concept stuff that likely didn’t make it to Live.

will note in my write-up I equated the king with Chosen One. rather, it's more likely Chosen One is the canon iteration of the king from concept

[slate saffron]

I choose to think that the Chosen One & King define two different roles of the same person, with the Chosen One defining their role from their earlier years as well... the chosen one. Y'know, the person from the prophecies, the guy who made the Elders godly through darkstone tech, etc. While the King defines their role in their later years, being the leader of the Kingdom, the one pushing for industrialization, the one who cemented their rule through statues to their greatness in GW, etc

[keen shore]

oh god it happened to you too?

[spring python]

I’m always devoid of light

[frigid tinsel]

Happened to me too. Makes for some very interesting shots

[spring python]

Tbh it’s been forever since I last mediated and went there so I didn’t know anything was wrong fnekfbdjfn

[slate saffron]

The vault

A s c e n d s

[calm sedge]

still new to the lore side of stuff, what's the theory about why the flight symbol is everywhere in birds nest and sanctuary

[frigid tinsel]

Since both Sanctuary Islands and the Wind Paths share environmentalist themes, they could’ve worked together

[calm sedge]

there's also the fact that bells and windchimes are prevalent in both seasons ig

maybe the chimesmith helped build the bell tower?

[untold notch]

the flight symbol might just be a weathervane tbf

like how the dreams icon is just the coliseum

[frigid tinsel]

Sanctuary Islands is basically a nature preserve. Bells could’ve been used to summon light creatures for visitors to see. Chimes, meanwhile, direct light creatures. Chimes are more a derivative of bells, so more likely Tinkering Chimesmith could’ve been related to or worked for bellmakers that crafted the Sanctuary bells

[spring python]

Could also be some sort of universal sign, like “wind tunnels” or “light creatures” ahead sort of sign

[sharp lichen]

The flight symbol seems very similar to the Megabird, an powerful force of Light commonly referenced in the Sky world

[hushed steeple]

OH I THOUGHT IT WAS SHAKING HEAD... im really sorry i have terrible eyesight

[hushed steeple]

if i encountered that i think i would crap my pants/get thrown into the drywall because of the brightness/both

[halcyon hull]

I just noticed that the backfliping champion has a heart on their mask

[untold notch]

ooh where

[keen shore]

I want to hold them

[untold notch]

rotates them

[rigid mural]

That represents the Giant Heart all thembos have

[boreal nebula]

I was looking for this defintion I have read before!

• So Mantallians is the name for the athletes (the manta-racERs).
• Then Mantaly / Mantalia (Mantally / Mantallia) could be a fitting name. (Idk why I would prefer the double L just for those who practice that profession)

Being an italian (living in Italy / Italia) I cannot think of any other sort of name for this kind of sport. But I would gladly like to hear any other opinion/suggestionv

PS: I don't mind pings, I'm used to krill discord and check mentions later

PPS: I don't know if I left the ping ON for you... I hope you don't mind

[outer hare]

bobbiteth

[slim mango]

Hey, today i saw this blue flame inside of Sanctuary quest giver... Does other quest giver have the same flame? Or only Sanctuary quest giver?

[eternal totem]

It's a quest asset for the bell cutscenes, dunno why it's inside though

Something something attuned inner light

[round parrot]

The qg pulls the light from inside in the quest memory cutscenes

[slim mango]

ohhh, i see

[sharp lichen]

It’s exclusive to the guide, and represents the element of air

[hollow quail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/z6xpiw/isle_elders_canon_story/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Anyone seen this???

[untold notch]

if i had a dollar for every time someone proposed their theory as "TRUE AND CANON OMGZ" i'd be rich

[keen shore]

Unlikely as it’s based on older concept art, unfortunately. If it had more evidence in game I’d consider it more

[astral tide]

Come on tgc, all the events puts them lasting 2 weeks and Fortuna didn't even last a week, I couldn't try anything because I was afraid to buy since the icons weren't defined, then they just remove the items 🥺🧐

[keen shore]

This isn’t the place to talk about beta - try #beta-discussion

[hexed arrow]

Hey, I know some people consider the collabs non canon but does anyone have any possible lore/headcanons on why the Starlight Desert exists?? I'm just interested on what may be there about it.

[eternal totem]

Please move onto #beta-discussion & remove your post as it doesn't belong in this channel

[uncut pond]

As far as we can tell, Starlight desert might've been an alternative route to the top of Eden without going through Vault, it also seems to be affected by the same or similar magic to the one present in the rest of Vault

[hexed arrow]

Ahhh, okay. I had a theory that the Starlight Desert was a shifting pocket realm within Vault, where the various structures found in it were dreamlike mirages, as the description under the title when you enter the area says "Where dreamlike worlds collide." But that makes much more sense in terms of the worldbuilding.

[uncut pond]

Yeah, perhaps worlds are colliding, but that doesn't mean the desert itself wasn't there before, after all the Vault is supposed to occupy mostly vertical space rather than horizontal, so the desert actually being right outside Vault makes enough sense

[soft timber]

Every other realm: lenthy
Vault for no reason other than spite: got that Tall Boy™️ genes

[sharp lichen]

Yes, collabs in Sky are mostly canon.

The Starlight desert is connected using the Wind Paths, meaning that it has to have some importance.

Given the ruined boat and the fact that the nearby Wasteland used to be green, perhaps the Starlight Desert was more vibrant. That’s a theory of mine.

It was probably the easiest way to access Vault, so it could have been a dock/boat storage area.

[rigid mural]

I like to think the Starlight Desert is part of the Wasteland, but it got corrupted by unnatended memory cubes and Vault Magic, the same that makes the realm look so otherworldly in some spaces, notably the levels beyond the third one.

[hexed arrow]

Oooh, I like that theory. It definitely could have been apart for Wasteland for sure.

[sharp lichen]

I think the “dreamlike worlds collide” means that the mystery/aura/stars of the Starlight Desert came from either the TLP world or the Sky world.

If you use the Star Projector item, little blue particles appear. I think these particles could’ve caused the Starlight Desert to look the way it does.

[rigid mural]

Hmmm your last paragraph made me check in-game because I recalled it looked more like someone broke in or out of the Vault, but the tunnel is way too regular and careful to be the case (and we know from the Vault Archives that irregular tunnels that look like they can be done by crabs exist).

Perhaps there used to be a tunnel to easily get wares and food to the Vault but it was walled off later ?

[sharp lichen]

Again, the Wind Paths offers a clue. Most locations in it are remote and not a good place for a dock. I think the Wind Paths was used far less/ constructed far later than possible, which means that the connection to Starlight Desert could just be an easy way to get to the Vault from the other realms.

[rigid mural]

Fair but also the Wind Paths could have shifted with the storm; wind currents are far from immobile, hence why one that used to lead to the Village could have been pushed farther up into the hermit valley

That and it's possible some got straight up blown away, I totally see the Enchantment Ark crashing right before entering or exiting the nearby wind tunnel due to its possible destruction by the storm; see how they depict lightning in their murals and how Flight's 4th quest has lightning (and krill) sounds coming out of the Wasteland wind tunnel before the area gets stone debris. Perhaps the latter is an echo of how the Wind Paths got destroyed.

[ornate rampart]

From the recent trailer of Aurora Concert. First look in-game of how Isle of Dawn looked like before disaster

[sharp lichen]

Then again, it would make sense for the Cave of Prophecies and Forgotten Ark to be connected.

[sharp lichen]

ISLE BUT GOOD

[eternal totem]

Isle but awesome

[quick jasper]

i wish we got to see isle like that normally it's so pretty

[frigid tinsel]

Green Isle

[copper saffron]

Im not gonna be able to make the debut but ill be watching this channel lol

[dark pivot]

hmm so i was thinking earlier about pygmy mantas and how they kinda look like birds, and i thought maybe they are birds- or rather, they were.

we see in the Prairie Elder cutscene that Day takes the light we give and forges it into a butterfly- perhaps the butterfly is the smallest/first/youngest form of a light creature. and then they slowly grow and transform.

so it would go butterfly -> bird -> pygmy manta -> regular manta -> elder manta -> whale(?) (the one you see in sanctuary)

altho the jellies are outside of this, as are the Big Cloud Whales (the ones with gray helmet masks). so maybe this headcanon has some holes in it.

thoughts?
(edited for readability)

[keen shore]

where would the elder birds fit in?

[dark pivot]

elder birds? i dont think ive seen them

[keen shore]

The only time they’ve appeared in game so far is in the rhythm ending cutscene 💔 but they have also been shown in light whisperer’s character card, I can link you to that if necessary. They are also referenced in the rhythm troupe’s masks. Hoping they appear more in game soon

[uncut pond]

The Elder Bird appeared in-game just once and it was in the final cutscene of a pre-enchantment seasons to never be seen again so it makes sense most players don't even know of such a creature

[keen shore]

yeah 💔💔

[dark pivot]

i dont think ive seen light whisperer's card, and i honestly dont think ive completed the season of rhythm (im a shattering moth, so i still dont know where some stuff is)

[uncut pond]

Rhythm is a pre-enchantment season, so you can't complete it anymore (long story)

[keen shore]

It’s unfortunately impossible for anyone who joined after Rhythm to complete the season and see the cutscene, since the guide didn’t stick around in the world. I’ll grab the card for you so you can see what the elder bird looks like

here it is! That massive white and yellow bird on the right is an elder bird.

[uncut pond]

Praying for TGC to give us the bird back

I mean, they did give us the Shattering pants which seem to be based on the Elder Bird but that's not enough

[untold notch]

it won't be enough until we get an in-game apperance

[uncut pond]

YEA

[frigid tinsel]

waiting for my husband (elder bird) to come back from the war (show up in game again since Rhythm)

[soft timber]

zyooms

[eternal totem]

Would love to see it again, come home

[spring python]

They need some real test after having to carry all that people on their back

[eternal totem]

Something something about heavy assets

[rigid mural]

Elder bird should come back as a float for pride

[spring python]

Hot air balloon elder bird

[eternal totem]

Next to Goku

[spring python]

Elder bird would solo Goku

[frigid tinsel]

things Flight guide won't tell you

[uncut pond]

Something possessed me to make this

[spring python]

They’re so fluffy

[frigid tinsel]

Leon ily

[keen shore]

elder bird time, post Birdkeeper instantly (art by Ash, this is Vela’s oc)

[rigid mural]

Serotonin ⬆️

[keen shore]

I would commit so many crimes for Birdkeeper I love them so much

[rigid mural]

Birdkeeper wouldn't want you to get in trouble !

[frigid tinsel]

favorite child

[spring python]

The animal ever, the bride

[austere bridge]

them 💜

[rigid mural]

Birdkeeper :]

[eternal totem]

Birdkeeper :)

[keen shore]

Birdkeeper 💛💛💛💛

[uncut pond]

Birdkeeper ,,,,

[austere bridge]

they look so fluffy
can I give them a hug

[rigid mural]

Of course ! They're very friendly, you can just come and hug them.

[tepid veldt]

i would hug them so much they are so amazing 🤍

[cedar sun]

First, it was the king's propaganda and now this, I'm not complaining tho

[rigid iron]

Are we birdposting?

[frigid tinsel]

Bea, I think I have a bunch of your elder bird memes saved

[tepid veldt]

also, just watched the aurora concert trailer. ISLE WITH GRASS!!

[round parrot]

Daleth Appreciation on Daleth December

Isle with the funny green

[austere bridge]

yeye it’s so pretty

also uh my brain saw all the birdposting and it had some ideas

1. lightblurring one of my skykid oc’s with an elder bird(s(?))
2. yeti is a wooly manta shepherd(they shish-kebab’d with the mantas, resulting in fluffy)
3. a wooly manta wanders into windpaths and light whisperer convinces flight guide to let them keep it until they find its proper owner

[round parrot]

I LOVE THE THIRD ONE
Little add-on: Light creatures would be curious with a new fluffy light creature friend hanging around the wind paths, in which opens a possibility for the light creatures in the wind paths to befriend the wooly manta

[austere bridge]

AWWWW

def adding on that idea. simply too adorable not to.

[austere bridge]

just gonna idea dump about 1 for a bit
this oc is zefyr, a skykid who already is known for acting like a bird sometimes(mainly to mess with nyx, their close friend)
im thinking they were somewhere like windpaths or bird nest
they then see an elder bird
they can suddenly understand the bird(they have no clue why, but they’ve always been weirdly good at bird calling)
they have a really good chat for a while, and they eventually fall asleep in the fluff
while asleep, they get some funky dreams
upon waking up, they are now elder bird lightblur (not sure which one yet, def not sandwich though)

[pastel brook]

[austere bridge]

SKYBOT WHY?!?!?
i rly like this story concept I have about my oc

[slate saffron]

Behold the JackJargining of SkyBot

Know your enemy

prepare to defeat your enemy

[austere bridge]

time to use peas to trick skybot into getting trapped in wasteland

[tepid veldt]

im thinking shishkebab? no idea how long someone needs to be in proximity with a light creature to become shishkebabed, but its an idea

[austere bridge]

I like to think that they were asleep for a really long time, so much so that nyx is pretty relieved when they return home. really interesting take!
my brain was originally thinking soup or salad, since when they do wake up the birb is gone, and, although it takes nyx pointing it out for them to notice, they now have some birb traits

[cobalt palm]

Concept: marinaded
A spirits light becomes "flavoured" with another spirit by being around them, or similar lights for long enough.
Like the "whisperer" spirits

[austere bridge]

thank you that is amazing

[compact shale]

Tastes delicious 👌

[untold notch]

you may be pleased to know that we already have a word for that and it's shishkebab

[austere bridge]

rq I feel like mentioning what the weird dreams were
they basically had dreams about being an elder bird, and one of them was about meeting themselves from the bird’s perspective

this prolly makes it a lot clearer that they became soup or salad

[rigid mural]

I wonder if every light creature that eats another light creature becomes soup since the memories of their prey now are theirs until they ascend to the light

[rigid iron]

Eats a leaf to gain it's memories

[spring python]

Abyss crew ate a portion of fried fish and learned how to swim

[rigid mural]

what do you think we did to the spirit manta in Abyss

[keen shore]

Just like the shush bath bomb… 💔

[untold notch]

just like the what

[compact shale]

We turned it into light couscous or noodles mid air and slurped it up

[untold notch]

OH THAT OMAO

[rigid mural]

it all started with a typo, how did it end up like this

[native shoal]

What critical context did I miss here

[rigid mural]

i think it's funnier with none

[keen shore]

I’m not really sure how to explain

[compact shale]

Just do it

[untold notch]

I don't think it's that simple

[copper saffron]

guys, sagomay said something in the beta chat
idk what this abyss boat is but

[frigid tinsel]

what's the lore implications of making the boat look more dull

[copper saffron]

not sure, but we could look at the previous design for ideas on lore i think

[sharp lichen]

Is there a comparison between the two?

[copper saffron]

not sure, personally i havent seen it, but we could probably go back to older beta videos

[frigid tinsel]

beta vs live

[round parrot]

Probably boat lore accuracy?

[keen shore]

is it cause there’s a wheel

[copper saffron]

cant talk about beta here

[keen shore]

Beta content goes in #beta-discussion we can’t talk about it here

[frigid tinsel]

I wish the people who said they're gonna quit Sky actually quit Sky lmao

[sharp lichen]

I will admit, the wheel looks a tad tacky. I guess they didn’t want the Abyss Crew to be seen as stereotypical pirates?

[keen shore]

I think if I had to guess, I would say it’s because the size of the nets and the gaps between each cord on them imply they were used to catch mantas. When combined with the resources the crew was searching for maybe they didn’t want to accidentally imply they were part of the darkstone industry

[copper saffron]

what are yalls theories about that tho? were they or not?

[frigid tinsel]

huh, yknow that's a thought and it makes sense.

especially since the Abyss crew are called "scavengers" and look like pirate, there are more hints that they only arrived at the site after the facility was drowned so they wouldn't have been involved. if they were actually agents of the industry, I think they'd look more uniform

[keen shore]

another guess could be that maybe they wanted to imply the abyss crew had dismantled part of their boat to build shelter because it had crashed so horribly it was beyond repair, so there wouldn’t be a wheel or mast(? I don’t know boat words) left anymore. Like how boatswain is carrying stuff around in their memory and how there’s a tarp set up

Might be a combo of both that & what I mentioned above

[frigid tinsel]

it also fits with the rest of the boats in the world aside from Star Collector's in Starlight Desert. all the boats are flat with no tiers or decks. I like to think the underside of the boat could be accessed for storage but really the boats don't look suitable for long-term travel whereas the beta abyss boat does.

[keen shore]

Boats and adjacent things in Sky have a lot of problems in general, the sides are so shallow that you cannot convince me the average ancestors would not fall off them as soon as they started going up at an angle. (Looks hard at the dreams gondolas) especially since they have nothing to grab onto inside

[sharp lichen]

Bumbling Boatswain are two words that would not go together well in the Sky world

[copper saffron]

and yet they exist

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think Boatswain is good at knotwork thus managing the sails, except that boat has no sail

[keen shore]

they bumbled one time…

[frigid tinsel]

given the state of the Live boat, I'm thinking that the Abyss crew's boat that we see them with wasn't their main boat. something happened to their main boat that forced them onto life rafts, which in this case is the basic boat seen almost everywhere

[round parrot]

Ohh so what you are saying is that there was a bigger ship, with other crew members till something bad happened to it and the lifeboats were the size of the boat we see the Abyss crew in?

Sounds too familiar

[keen shore]

That makes sense, maybe their original boat was something more akin to the ship wrecked in crabs fields or the Ark?

[round parrot]

Yeah exactly! I had this discovery one time about a boat being stuck in between the two broken parts of the ship!

[keen shore]

Nah, the Forgotten Ark lifeboats are about a third of the Abyss boat’s size, and there isn’t much evidence beyond superficial similarities to show they’re linked — ie murals of the abyss spirits on the ark. The Wasteland storms just wreck a ton of boats

If I’m getting what you’re implying correctly

[round parrot]

Hmm - I see
It didn't really occur to me about the size of the life boats, (and their similarities) and yes you are getting what I was implying

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's what I'm saying. I haven't written this yet but for my fic about the Abyss crew, that's what happened – they were part of a bigger ship with a bigger crew that sank and dissolved, all the crewmembers separating on different life boats and going their own way

[compact shale]

They laid down in the boats

[hollow quail]

Tjey have a source in the comments but not sure

[keen shore]

is the source concept art?

[copper saffron]

"source is that i made it up"

[frigid tinsel]

they have a source for the powerpoint slide on concept Dawn Elder but that's it

[rigid iron]

Isle elder raises cringefail child, asked to chisel self off eden gate (true and canon)

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[round parrot]

What library?? 💀

Yeah but where???

Oh! the archives in Vault of Knowledge? Those aren't books

They are memory cubes
They store memories of them, which serves as knowledge for the realm

[halcyon hull]

but they could well be used instead of books

[wild wharf]

Fear is bigger in the head than in reality.

[round parrot]

Alright, so, possible headcanon.
Raw Darkstone are basically Ancestor Fossils
Ancestors are describes to have the same materials (at least in the concept arts), and Darkstone is known to hold light within, as headcanoned by Vela, ancestors possibly also hold some sort of light within, which could be transferred from one fellow ancestor to another
(1/2)

As for how the raw Darkstone is "mineable", I would say it is from the multiple accidents ancestors die of in caverns (like the underground Sunny Forest for example) and the rooms I used the firework staff are probably ancestors buried within the walls
(2/2)

Now I may or may not have missed a point where "Ancestors are not the same as Darkstone" just take my headcanon with a grain of salt

[wild wharf]

That is a pretty cool concept.

[autumn zinc]

hOw do Ancestors exist? Why do they exist? Why are they made of s t o n e?

[boreal nebula]

Because of one word:
|| M E G A B I R D ||

[slate saffron]

Books aren't real

[untold notch]

yeah because I eated them all 💔

[cerulean blade]

dangit megabird

why do we even call it megabird anyways lolol

[sharp lichen]

Good question, it was referenced as Megabird in the concept art

[rigid mural]

The "stone" has been referred to as "husks" in patch note iirc, likely the ones we find ended up like in the manta shattering poem where they're stuck inside :[

As for how they came to be, I have this theory:

[odd siren]

take a shot (of grape juice) every time someone mentions megabird in lore chat

[uncut pond]

Whether it is Megabird or Elder Bird, the birdposting never ends

[quick jasper]

birds

[rigid iron]

Happy Tsadi Tuesday + one month haunted everyone

[rigid mural]

HAPPY TSADI TUESDAY BEA i hope you stay haunted forever

[lusty merlin]

I like this one better ty bea

[rigid iron]

throwing my ghosts at you THINK FAST 👻

[rigid mural]

i eat them

[rigid iron]

casts curse of skybot

[rigid mural]

i think skykids would be immune because they see ghosts everyday, like horses

[rigid iron]

...like what

[rigid mural]

don't worry about it 😁

[sharp lichen]

What

[lusty merlin]

Hi horse
The ghosts
Ok
/ref

[earnest briar]

Yoooo it's Sassy! Continuing the tradition of First new console TS.

[rigid iron]

Many guessed pleaful, but I know who the real master is

[austere bridge]

sassy and pleaful are grill buddies 💪

[rigid mural]

#transmasc

[rigid iron]

Should ask sassy how to season these apples

[spring python]

Sassy would solo Goku ez

[rigid mural]

i think sassy drifter would be a gamer

[spring python]

They’d hate certain anime games with terrible character designs though

[earnest briar]

Sassy; avid hater of cash-grab gacha games

[rigid iron]

Sassy would vote for Sonic Frontiers

[earnest briar]

Sonic Frontiers is a banger game of course they would vote for it

[austere bridge]

can I birdpost about my skid oc who got souped with an elder bird
or rather, salsa’d
(salsa: a lightblur in between soup and salad where two or more souls inhabit one body and are partially distinct. each soul can tell which thoughts and memories are theirs with varying degrees of ease.)

[frigid tinsel]

salad is already sort of a spectrum. my skykid salad, Hikemasu and Kiset, had this exact issue – their souls were distinct but their lights bounced into each other, confusing their thoughts, feelings, and memories with one another

[austere bridge]

ah.

[rigid mural]

sassy's head looks like a star, if they wore green dresses i wonder if they looked like a chrismas tree

[frigid tinsel]

it's really the consequences of the circumstances of a salad – light is fluid and likes to meld with itself. if you don't have light separated somehow, it will mesh with itself.

Hikemasu used red light to keep their souls from fusing, but their light continued to emanate

[austere bridge]

cool!

me holding my oc(zefyr): you. soup.
them: what.
me: SOUP. covers them in elder bird soup
them: confused squonk

[frigid tinsel]

this is from a longer dialogue between Hikemasu & Kiset talking about their situation but goes into how even though their souls are separate, they confuse each other due to their meshing lights, even bouncing into the same train of thought:

Hikemasu: better than nothing. Would be easier if you would help me.
Kiset: I do help you. I avoid your core, but I can’t do anything when your light pushes into me.
H: there’s still two of us.
K: and what if there isn’t?
H: Kiset–
K: we try, Hikemasu. We sort ourselves, we push each other back, we categorize our memories, but I’m feeling your disgust as much as you’re feeling my intrigue. I can’t tell whether the little aversion I have to the idea of completely giving up my light is actually mine or you influencing me. We are living a thought experiment, challenging our preconceptions about identity, personhood, and individuality.
H: you want results, but there’s no going back if we decide to merge. There won’t be a you to take notes. What if the person we become regrets it?
K: what of our siblings?
H: our moths?
K: would our friends befriend the person we become? Would they even want to?

[austere bridge]

I love that dialogue sm

NOOOO YOU GOT BEANED

[frigid tinsel]

there's also this, Hikemasu telling their sibling Vuxor about the situation:

Hikemasu: I… I don’t know what exactly I did. In the end, Kiset’s light is inside my body. I try to think of it like, since our bodies are vessels for light, this is no different.
Vuxor: no different? Hikey, Kiset isn’t mere light, they are their whole person and you trapped them inside your body where they can’t do anything.
H: you have no idea what they’ve been doing to me this whole time.
V: Kiset is conscious?
H: everything I see, they see. Everything I hear, they hear. Everything I feel, they feel. Everything I know, they know. They’re listening to our conversation right now.
V: not that they got a choice, it sounds.
H: You think I have a choice either? I hear all their thoughts. I have all their memories – I have to remind myself that I haven’t experienced what they have. I feel their impulses and emotions, when they’re mad with me, when something catches their interest, when they want to sing.
V: so you’ve been singing.
H: sometimes their light overwhelms me. They talk to me, I argue with them, they try taking control of my body. Their thoughts run alongside mine. I can’t always control my appearance because they want to project their hair or clothes. It’s been so damn hard keeping their light separate from mine, to stay me, but our light is so fluid and keeps flowing into each other. Sometimes I can’t tell which is me and which is Kiset.
worth noting that Hikemasu didn't like to sing – they played on the horn and bass harp more. Kiset liked to sing, so now Hikemasu feels like singing

[rigid iron]

Be sure to leave treats under the sassmas tree new PlayStation moths

[frigid tinsel]

sorry not sorry for fic posting I'm normal

[rigid mural]

BEA HELP
SOBBING

[frigid tinsel]

Bea I'm crying

[austere bridge]

rip hikemasu
zefyr was already kinda funky, since they would act like a a bird to screw with people; now they are elder bird soup
should I ficpost about this? maybe.

[frigid tinsel]

I needed to develop Hikemasu's character more, who knew that shoving another character inside them worked well?

[keen shore]

I love soup so so so much and I love your characters and >:3

[keen shore]

Carefully and gently places an entire watermelon under the tree

[austere bridge]

time to post about bird soup ig. from zefyr’s perspective. first time writing first person, wish me luck!

[lucid egret]

So, lorechat. How excited are we for the concert?

[uncut pond]

Seems it'll be a huge event, but not (just) in terms of numbers

[austere bridge]

“Bird Soup” (1)

I was traveling the prairie, just about like every other day back then when it happened. I’d entered the bird’s nest when I saw… something. It was the biggest bird I’d ever seen. I may even be so bold as to say it was an elder bird. I could’ve sworn I heard it… humming? Then it saw me.
“Ah, hello there!” it called out, almost cheerfully?
“Hi..?” I responded. At the moment I was suspicious of them. Why was there a giant bird here? And why could I understand what it was saying? It seemed friendly enough, so I decided to approach. What reason would a giant bird have to hurt me, anyway?
“I-I’m Zefyr,” I told them. “A-And your name?” I had no clue what their intentions were. Good reason to be nervous if you ask me. Especially considering the situation. They did tell me their name, but it was some chirps and tweets that I struggle to pronounce.
“That’s a pretty name. Say, Zefyr, would you be alright with helping me with something?” they asked.
“Y-Yea, sure, that’d be-“
“By the way, you can get closer. I wouldn’t mind in the slightest.”
“-fine.” They did look quite soft, after all. So get closer I did.
“What exactly did you need help with, anyways?” I asked them.
“You see, I’m getting weaker, and I fear I may not be able to reach The Light on my own anymore. Would you be alright with helping me? I don’t mind pats or snuggles, by the way." Take them to The Light? I already visited a fair bit to gather ascended candles, or at least that’s what my friends told me. They were actually very, very soft as I snuggled up with them. Warm too, so much so that I was almost falling asleep.
“Taking you to The Light would be a-ok with me.” I told them, yawning between my words. Before drifting off, I remember them saying “thank you”.

(2)

While I was asleep, or at least what felt like being asleep, I had some really, really weird dreams. I don’t remember all the details, but they all had one thing in common: that I was doing things with other birds and light creatures. Specifically with other light creatures, not just with light creatures. Don’t know for certain, but I think I recall seeing myself once. Woke up to a mysterious skid telling me I’d been asleep there for days. When I heard that, I rushed home to check on Nyx. She was so relieved. She told me that my voice sounded weird, and that my hair & clothes looked different. I hadn’t noticed ‘til then. Nowadays, sometimes I remember flying like birds, but not me doing the flying. I don’t really feel like sharing any more details right now, though.

oh boy was that a monster of a fic
took all day to write. feel free to reference(with credit, of course)

[austere bridge]

oh @keen shore I wrote a soup fic with one of my oc’s
(sry for ping)

[timid heath]

So… may I ask what is happening here? The chatbox says lore discussion, but I am confused.

[earnest briar]

Basically there's very little actual confirmed lore so a bunch of stuff that goes on in here is either speculation, theory-crafting, sharing interpretations, or meming the honk out of everything we can.

[quick jasper]

• OC lore too, which is fun to read

[timid heath]

Ooh! Spontaneous lore for recent Playstation release of sky with it’s journey pack:

There floats an empty void of Silence. The Light, final destination was reached. The Job was done… so why do I hear bells? Waking up, I find myself in the sand, not unlike the previous times I was sent back. But i hear something new and feel my cloak getting… wet? I look towards where I feel the sensation. Water! It takes me a bit to look around. Venturing through the cave I come upon a ledge. The cave walls, lit by candlelight, tells me what i need to do. Wherever This land is, it has faced calamity like my own. I will push on and see if I can help this land as I follow the sound of bells, while running into other beings along the way. While not wearing the same… they resonate with me… like we all have the same direction to go.

As much as the insperation burned before flickering out, if someone wants to update for this, I don’t see why not, have a go.

[copper saffron]

it's a skykid's thoughts about rebirth? or instead.. it's a person being reincarnated as a skykid.

[timid heath]

The traveler’ thoughts as they wind up in sky. With this, I can’t help but see a permanent crossover between Journey and Sky. With cloak, hood, and mask: it’s like Traveler has been dropped into Sky. To follow your question into a close answer; it’s traveler reincarnated as a Sky kid.

[pastel brook]

Why

[copper saffron]

OOOHHHH

[timid heath]

shrug can’t help what I think. Just thunk it, my little headcanon.

[pastel brook]

thats deep fam

[copper saffron]

i havent played journey lmao

[timid heath]

Probably should check it out, Journey and Sky have many similarities.

[copper saffron]

im poor
and being unable to hide from the war machines scares me

[timid heath]

Not that much different from hiding (or attempting to) from Dark dragons/krill. But I understand not having the money for it.

[copper saffron]

but if they spot u there is no escape and that scares me

[timid heath]

Looked them up for clarification, it says if you block their line of sight, even when spotted before lunge, it stops their attack. Just like dark dragons. Yeah, like dark dragons, once they lunge it’s near impossible to escape.

[frigid tinsel]

krill dodges would say otherwise

[odd siren]

so, the trees in hidden forest don't have any foliage, right?

what if they're fossilized?

[spring python]

Petrified, yeah

[rigid mural]

They make me think of burnt stumps after a forest fire

[keen shore]

yeah! A lot of them have damage consistent with burnt trees after forest fires ^^

[violet sable]

Y'all are about to be spoiled to death

[untold notch]

thats not ominous or threatening at all considering server and channel rules

[sinful anvil]

it would be funny to think a gladiator colosseum is used today for concert, art, and joy

[untold notch]

its possible that it was never a gladiator coliseum

[sinful anvil]

maybe
makes sense if valley leans more into the art side

[violet sable]

Waiting for people to start talking about concert lore

[frigid tinsel]

gonna have to wait until the dress rehersal starts in 1.25 hours

[copper saffron]

wait concert starts today?

[white heart]

theres a dress rehearsal in a little more than an hour

[copper saffron]

what does that mean?
like, a preview?

[slate saffron]

I'm kinda curious as to the kind of government sky use to have, what do yall think?
I'm personally partial to Theocratic Monarchy

[white heart]

yes, you can read about it in in-game mail

[uncut pond]

I believe Sky had less of an actual government and more like, just the elders discussing with themselves about what to do and the spirits just blindly (with some exceptions) following them, but also some elders like dawn and day don't really give off the vibe of "ruler" and they feel more like, chill leaders who discuss stuff with their community? If that makes sense? Idk it's like 1am and I'm half asleep

Or perhaps the elders were more like just representatives of their community which would put a lot more blame on the spirits as a collective for the environmental disasters and all that, and would make the reason why spirits like Flight Guide tried to flee less of a disagreement with their elder and more like a sense of discomfort with the whole rest of their community if that makes sense?

[copper saffron]

ah ok. i just cant head in game rn, what does it say?

[white heart]

er, basically that to make sure everything goes ok theres a dress rehearsal of the concert at 8:30 pst (about 43 minutes from now), and night colliseum is open. if you have done the update, aurora will bring you there from home

[copper saffron]

so is it literally a dress rehersal and you can watch it? the whole thing?

[white heart]

i mean, possibly? who can know? 🙂

[copper saffron]

well, guess we'll find out

[white heart]

and uh, dont post stuff out on social media 🙂

[copper saffron]

so it cant be discussed here?

[white heart]

meaning like, twitter etc. getting extremely discussed up above us ^.

we need to talk about crab racing 🙂

[keen shore]

I HAVE A WHOLE DETAILED OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS BUT FUNNILY ENOUGH DAWN AND DAY ARE THE LEAST CHILL LEADERS WHO DISCUSS STUFF WITH THEIR COMMUNITY OUT OF ALL THE ELDERS DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHY I THINK THIS

[copper saffron]

we do
was this a thing ancestor kids did?

but if it is a whole thing, boy

[untold notch]

i do want to see

[copper saffron]

yeah it's a very interesting topic

[keen shore]

Okay let me try to organize this in a non rambly way

update: I got anxious that would get caught in the spam filters like what happened last time so I’m just going to retype everything

[austere bridge]

I am nervous gamers
excited for dress rehearsal but idk if I’ll be able to attend due to life stuff

also Salem! much earlier I made an oc fic that has, hear me out, light soup

[keen shore]

So the observation revolves on the way that each temple is separated from the rest of their realm.

The first three are practically unreachable by us without the help of light creatures, boats, or wind currents, let alone ancestors. They’re standing high above everything else on massive cliffs, closest to the stars, overlooking everything from such a height that it’s incredibly difficult for us to reach. They stand separated from and elevated above everything else around them… like gods.

Valley & Wasteland is where you start to see this shift dramatically. Neither temple is elevated above anything else in the realm; they’re all easily reachable by foot. The average ancestor could just walk in there. In fact, without the protective grate on Dusk’s temple door, added specifically to keep out krills, the temple wouldn’t even have doors.

Vault is the most interesting though because there’s no clear breaks between where the realm ends and the temple begins, but when you see the murals in Dawn’s temple you know why; the entire realm is Night’s temple.

I like the concept that this shift in realm and temple separation can be closely analogous to how the ancestors of each realm viewed their elders, with Dawn being somewhat like a god whereas by the time you get to Night they’re on the same level to and equal to ancestors. A leader when it’s needed, but mostly content to learn alongside everyone else. Especially because this trend is mirrored in elder cutscenes as well

[keen shore]

i don’t have the spoons to read it rn but hopefully will at a later time! ty for telling me, although I would appreciate if you werent pushy about it 💛

[copper saffron]

are yall all silent cause the concert's started

[keen shore]

I’m talking…

[frigid tinsel]

I tried to join the rehearsal earlier but got confused and overwhelmed

[untold notch]

yeah like chat is . Active

[keen shore]

do you mind if I continue or would you rather talk about the concert rn? no pressure

[frigid tinsel]

I get that there prob is some cool lore that's gonna be unveiled in the concert but it's late for me, I'm tired, and should probably eat.

yea, Salem, you can continue

[keen shore]

okay whew, I couldn’t tell if people were interested or not akdjaowodofjf I will

[copper saffron]

yeye u can continue

[keen shore]

now that I think about it, will likely continue tomorrow, am very tired. i am excited to talk about this though!

[low spindle]

Lore people. I expect a lot from you when concert is fully in live

[keen shore]

ok

Aaaaand it’s begun

[untold notch]

woooo

[fallow estuary]

i already know what happens, i played the beta but shhh

[frigid tinsel]

can we agree to at least spoiler tag discussion until Dec 8 when the actual concert goes live?

[keen shore]

you aren’t allowed to post spoilers from the concert on social media until Thursday iirc, best idea is to delete this and we can talk about it in a couple days 💛

[fallow estuary]

my bad, i forgot this wanst the offical concert

[quick jasper]

gotta hold all my thoughts on this for another 2 days

[copper saffron]

mood

[amber creek]

Y'all the concert really showed that the sky people were NOT kind with their resources this is a major development

[slate saffron]

Do you have any screenshots? I arrived at bit late

[amber creek]

Not for that stuff I'm talking about but I really just wanted to absorb everything without focusing on taking pictures

[slate saffron]

Ah kk 👍

[sudden smelt]

The mantas 😭

[amber creek]

The game spirits definitely are the better people when it came to sky culture oml now I know why we see them

[broken pendant]

You guys gonna have a field day with this

[pine bane]

Lore chat are we good???

[amber creek]

I was not going to come back to lore chat . . . Until they dropped that huge lore bomb at the concert

[uncut pond]

since you absolutely destroyed me with facts and knowledge I think learned my lesson. Never gonna write theories at 1am when half asleep again

[pine bane]

can't talk bout it for now

[broken pendant]

Isle had grass cavern had water this is crazy stuff

[amber creek]

So many things had water. The crystals tho?????? I have so many ideas I cant

[pine bane]

Only dress rehearsal,not official concert so pleas refrain atm

[amber creek]

I'm not giving any specifics or context or pictures or anything that will spoil. Those who get it, get it. Those who don't, don't.

[copper saffron]

no pics, but there is actually a second spear design that appears that's similar to some from concept art

[amber creek]

I didn't look around a lot but I think they pulled out a lot of concepts that they were like "lol jk cool idea but not canon" . . . Yeah about that

[copper saffron]

i can send the concept arts that it's similar to, then you'll just have to pay close attention in the concert until i can send pics (which wont be very good either so)

[amber creek]

I'm not going to be pulling things out from the concert because I actually like aurora as an artist (WHICH SO MANY PEOPLE ARE OVERLOOKING HOW AMAZING SHE IS) so I just like to enjoy the scenery

[copper saffron]

here are the concept arts in question, the spear designs are visible there.

[uncut pond]

In what part, I missed part the seed song, was it there

[copper saffron]

yeah it was in the seed one

[amber creek]

The krill in the concept art looks like those noodle worms on a string 😂😂😂😂

Also all those king shaped buildings in wasteland I never noticed it (in normal game) until recently. But I feel like that played a role into why it got hit so hard

[fiery oracle]

I can't wait for the real concert so we can all talk about it

So much lore in one concert 😂

[copper saffron]

yeah the only thing that'll beat this is probably the animation project

[amber creek]

I know I'm on an "official" discord but I still have my controversial opinions about what can and cannot be shared or "forcibly" discovered about the game (etc spoilers, looking through game files). AND THATS ALL ILL SAY I JUST WANT MY FEELINGS TO BE PUT OUT THERE

[fiery oracle]

I get why it's like that but yeah you're right

[amber creek]

I feel so validated thank you because last time I mentioned this people gave me a hard time.

[uncut pond]

I don't get what you're trying to say what are you trying to say sorry I'm half asleep

[faint quail]

The way I GASPED during at lore drop during the concert I also have theories about the next season based on beta spoilers (that I looked for lol) and what we saw tonight (on top of what we already know about the game)

[copper saffron]

there's SO MUCH LORE

[fiery oracle]

The animation coming soon too, TGC is giving us so much lore

[copper saffron]

there's like at least 3 different theories being confirmed here

[amber creek]

"it's all open for interpretation" THEN WHY ARE ALL THE SONGS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT HMMMMMMMMM????

[faint quail]

I mean it can still be open to interpretation/lh

[solar bane]

hello lore chat checking here after the concert :))

[fiery oracle]

I took so many screenshots but they're on my switch and it's a pain to transfer them

[copper saffron]

also megaurora real
||~~that part reminded me of the end of evangelion 💀 ~~||

[amber creek]

Why did they have to make it so late on a weekday hnnnnnnnng I have an 8am class stupid pst zone prime time

[fiery oracle]

My first thought at that part was "Aurora's the megabird ?"
(Also i get your pain heycreek it started at 5:30 for me 😅)

[pastel brook]

all that remains is a silent call, is the earth colored red?... oh no that's the krill light ahead

[amber creek]

I literally thought it was mega bird at first then I felt stupid 😭

[copper saffron]

aurora is the voice of megabird, guiding skykids to it
idk

[stark quarry]

Nah AURORA is the megabird the end.

[fiery oracle]

She is and i refuse to believe anything else /hj

[solar bane]

You mean /srs

[amber creek]

That's the only screenshot I haave because I'm like **** ********* ******** MEGA BIRD- oh nuuuu nvm

[broken pendant]

They gave her a collab and made her god

[stark quarry]

Truly a queen she is

[solar bane]

as they should

[broken pendant]

true

[amber creek]

She literally came down from heaven in the beginning and I'm like hmmmmmm is she a god or something, very on character for her

[stark quarry]

im Isekaid to a world full of honking children and became a god!

[solar bane]

praise the lord megabird aurora

[amber creek]

Hail megabird

[stark quarry]

So trueee

[pine bane]

so we're spoiling from dress rehearsal now....?
This is to confirm whether we can actually spoil anything from dress rehearsal in any channels within skycord. as beta tester, we've been trying our best being silent not to spoil test concert tbh so i wanna make sure now we can actually do this before actual concert or not.

[stark quarry]

Hail Aurora hail megabird

[foggy nymph]

Gaia of Sky Kingdom?

[stable bronze]

Megabird is exactly who i thought of when i did that part

[stark quarry]

I took a lot picture of her you all want some?

[mossy moth]

She even has similar colors to megabird too

[stable bronze]

Oof i think TGC wants to keep spoilers at a minimum

[solar bane]

i saw a fanart of megabird and how the person thought megabird would be like and the fact it looked like aurora made me believed it more that aurora is indeed megabird

[amber creek]

Aurora being a god is nothing new she is literally an ancient elf queen that came to earth on a spaceship irl sooooo

[dense folio]

i’m literally never active here but i love reading sky lore and think a lot about megabird, i’m here to jump on the aurora megabird bandwagon

[solar bane]

also was megabird the one who created the skykids btw?
I remember hearing this

[amber creek]

She literally has jellyfish hair -8/10 for not having more jellyfish imagery for her

[stark quarry]

Her dress looks like jellyfish too

[frigid tinsel]

yall are literally not supposed to be discussing the dress rehersal oh my gosh spoilers

[stark quarry]

Aurora tired becoming a god then she just turned herself to a idol 💀

[amber creek]

They were pretty much worshipping her this whole season

[quick jasper]

aren't we supposed to wait until the official concert to post about this

[stable bronze]

Yeah

[round parrot]

We could go to #contact-the-mods to report on the matter. That is an option

[stark quarry]

Oh damm fr idk that

[stable bronze]

Ah yes, they sent out an announcement on the app

[stark quarry]

Sorry
I didn't read the announcement

[potent sedge]

yes there is a lot of lore but i'm not saying anything

[stable bronze]

I know. I mean in game

[amber creek]

I don't really blame anyone for not knowing or misunderstanding because lore is tends to be the "anything live in game goes"

[stable bronze]

Yeah same. Just a small reminder. And i get the excitement can make you forget

[stark quarry]

I thought they did the concert early im very sorry y'all i didn't read the announcement in the game

[stable bronze]

Noo tis a dress rehearsal. The real concert is still on the 8th :D

[obtuse flax]

I'm really looking forward to the concert in Aurora.

[solar bane]

woops i didnt know were not allowed to talk about it in here too my bad

[stable bronze]

Shouldnt talk about it or post it on any form of social media until the real concert

[fallen junco]

Ikrrr I’m a fan of aurora irl and I was rlly surprised there wasn’t that much jellyfish imagery

[solar bane]

i thought it was just outside of discord were not allowed to talk about

[amber creek]

However. . . . Again my controversy against the devs . . . Do they honestly think they can police what people post on social media

[broken pendant]

megabird created like everything

[frigid tinsel]

the note said not to talk about it on social media and Discord is a social media

[stable bronze]

Noo, of course people are gonna do it and i do believe they said if nicely so they aren’t forcing anyone. Its just to be considerate. But just the content. Don’t talk about the content specifically on social media

[dense folio]

is this in the inbox? no new messages of this nature in mine

[frigid tinsel]

even if you are going to talk about it online, at least be courteous enough to censor/spoil it.

[quick jasper]

just because others are def gonna post it on social media doesn't mean you should too. don't ruin the experience for others who didn't see it today since it's no the official release yet

[pine bane]

tbh, this is under mods discretion. Unless mods said you can't post anything or please delete your content. We are policing each other without clear understanding of what shouldn't be talk about. I dont see any mods atm. it is best to wait for 2 more days. Beta testers has been waiting for weeks so we understand the feelings of seeing lores from dress rehearsal but has to keep it shut.

[amber creek]

If you want to see spoilers go check out neighbors up stairs, #seasons-events-chat because all they are posting are pictures from it

[stable bronze]

Ah, they sent it out a few hours ago before the rehearsal started thats why. And it expired

[frigid tinsel]

imagine the mods doing anything smh

[amber creek]

No seriously go see seasons chat because they will not stop stop talking about details. Besides picture we didn't say nearly as much as them

[frigid tinsel]

sigh

[stable bronze]

Of course not, like i said they asked nicely for consideration and even i knew some people were not gonna listen. Either that or they didn’t know. It was gonna be talked about either way, but what matters is that you dont join the bandwagon 🤷🏾‍♀️

[pine bane]

i dunno man it isnt really clear what tgc doesnt want us to spoil from dress rehearsal. i tried asking but different people giving different opinions. no mods seems to be doing anything atm as well

[frigid tinsel]

the in-game inbox said not to talk about it on social media, if ands or buts. if y'all are gonna be talking about online, at least censor or spoiler tag it

[amber creek]

Honestly I'm remembering why I have such an issue with this server. This night was a build up, not the only reason. Truly, nothing against anyone on this chat but it's just a lot. Very stressful culture that I just don't agree with or vibe with. I only joined again to get some info on timing for daily events. Bye guys, wish you all luck and happy lore hunting.

[frigid tinsel]

tbh Skycord is a mess, I wish it could be so much better.

[broken pendant]

you guys clearly don’t know how official game servers work

[amber creek]

I literally don't care how an official game server works because I clearly realize it's not for me bye

[broken pendant]

this is normal