lore-discussion-spoilers

[cobalt palm]

Following up for season of Aurora lore, seems so far we have had Wayfarer give a blue light from Isle, very similar to the blue enchantment light from valley which purified water, and prophecy light for water trial, in aurora to create walkways in the coliseum.

Miner give a green light from forest, similar to the enchantment green light from prairie, which made grass grow, earth trial in prophecy, which in aurora causes trees to grow.

And now warrior who gives a light blue/cyan light from valley, similar to the cyan light from enchantment from isle which purified the air, air trial in prophecy, which in aurora creates murals and artworks.

Seed comes out Monday, so guess we have orange, purple, and red from the enchantment mixing pot, or "fire" from the prophecy pot.

[untold notch]

their capes match the colors of the light they give too :3c its neat

[cobalt palm]

Ooh in that case Seed is likely to be a yellow/orange

[keen shore]

Yellow isn’t a colored light, so probably orange/fire!

[cobalt palm]

It would fit the prophecy

[untold notch]

:3 :3 :3 im so excited for monday

[cobalt palm]

Wait... What if the prophecy was about the coming of Aurora in the first place (probably retcon but its cool)

[untold notch]

there is that one mural in harmony hall that was changed to include aurora before the season came out

[keen shore]

I’m gonna start quoting this ominously every once in a while

[cobalt palm]

Don't forget to bang your drum 🪘

[sharp lichen]

I still think this is wrong: I think it’s Valley, Prairie, Isle, and Forest respectively

[cobalt palm]

Yeah I posted an edited thought later, I am still fairly sure the last is orange and not red
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel brook]

what.

[sharp lichen]

I agree with this, it lines up perfectly with Enchantment

[keen shore]

YEAH I think this makes more sense than what was originally written.

However I have some alterations. Blue is the hardest one to place but I see it as on an island in the ocean; this can be either off/near the coast isle or an island in outer wasteland. I don’t think this one looks like valley, to be honest, (but it looks like hidden forest even less)

I agree with you on Prairie.

I think you’re right with Isle too. It could be the birds nest, but again, I doubt it.

Forest, you could make an argument for it being golden wasteland — we know there are tree husks at the forgotten ark, but due to the size I agree that this is Forest. We can also see that there are lots of jagged tree stumps that look very much like burnt out tree husks there as well.
[1/2]

But what I wanted to add on here is that these might not be exact locations we see ingame. They could just be the types of places most associated with those colored lights, or ones that show off their power the most.

What I mean here is something like — blue light is water. It makes you think about oceans. So you draw it in the middle of an ocean — not a specific ocean, just any ocean, to communicate that it’s water. This is because oceans are the most “water” place you can think of.
Green is earth and plants so you draw it in a field of flowers with mountains nearby to communicate that that’s what it does. Flowers for the plant part, and mountains because they have a pretty large association with the rock aspect. They’re basically just giant hunks of rock, I don’t think I have to explain that one.
Cyan is air, so you draw it in the sky on some floating islands. This is the most air place you can think of, because it’s the sky, and also maybe it’s holding up those floating islands too, who knows?
Orange is fire. This one’s a harder one. You could draw a volcano, but lava is just superheated rock. So you opt for a forest fire instead. It’s not really a place associated with fire (unless it’s a very specific type of forest, but I can get into that separately, and besides I doubt Forest is that kind) it just shows off the fire the best. Forest fires are dramatic and iconic.

TLDR: these aren’t specific locations in the realms. They’re just landscapes meant to best communicate what that specific light does and what it’s associated with.

If I gave you an abstract blue star symbol and told you to draw something that told me that what that symbol represented controlled water, you’d draw it in the middle of the ocean surrounded by rain, right? And so on.

[untold notch]

and we still get nothing for red and purple

[keen shore]

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best, and I think this is one of those cases

Btw the type of forest that I’m talking about is pine barrens! they’re a very specific type of environment with mostly shrubs and small pine trees. The plants within are adapted to surviving fire better, and so pine barrens depend on fire to burn away plants that can’t handle it as well. Some of them also rely on fire to open up their seeds to sprout them!

But Forest has massive trees and near constant rain, so it’s probably the exact opposite of a pine barren. I doubt the rain is natural but it probably qualifies as a temperate rainforest by now.

[Note: all this is off the top of my head from memory, tried to fact check a few things but couldn’t do them all. If you know I’m wrong about something let me know! Not super confident in my knowledge on this subject]

[sharp lichen]

Given that the murals of those were probably made before the Forest Elder made the rain, the Hidden Forest (and the other realms) could have been entirely different from what we see now. The Valley of Triumph could have been melted, for example, and the mural shows the Blue Light on the Ice Rink.

Prairie is self explanatory, and Isle…

Isle has no floating islands now, but that doesn’t mean much, given how different Sky’s geography is. And considering “above the clouds” is what’s shown in the murals and we find the Cyan Light above the clouds, I think it fits.

Given how connected the lights already are, the murals are probably showing the locations of the lights as seen in Enchantment.

[uncut pond]

If the cyan light is wind and it is in Isle, what if the cyan light is related to how Dawn can (allegedly) guide boats and flocks of birds? What if their power is to control the flow of the rivers of light, which might be synonymous with wind currents or related to them in a way?

[hidden vessel]

where is this?

[uncut pond]

I think that's in prairie

[earnest briar]

Yeah, the little towers poking out of the cloud tunnel you fly through after entering the Social Space.

[soft timber]

This is good! I always wondered why the snow melted in the Valley of Triumph

[keen shore]

Did you read my message here? It sounds like you skipped it over without paying much attention #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Just to be sure

[spring python]

I assume the orange being placed in forest could be communicating about the forge aspect of the forest temple. Specially considering in the image, the fire is flowing upwards and presumably causing the rain

[empty drift]

Hello, I have been playing Sky for a while and heard there is lore. What is that about?

[nocturne hollow]

Speaking of forest and orange, has there been any discussion of how the stones in sunny forest have orange trim and marks on the bottom of them in the pond? Some odd man made floating stones possibly?

[sharp lichen]

I got what you’re talking about, but given how much Prophecy references other realms, they probably would draw the lights more specifically.

[sharp lichen]

There’s another mural, actually, that shows the Forest Elder creating the rain using Blue Light.

[sharp lichen]

There is lore! https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

This is a document to help you get the general info, but for more specific and detailed questions, ask it here!

[empty drift]

wuah Thanks man.

[sharp lichen]

Wuah indeed

[empty drift]

Why are the spirits kneeling?
They got dark plant cores and the statues are also kneeling.

[rigid mural]

We don't really know in canon, likely they all look the same to save space, but I headcanon they were trying to protect their inner light from darkness ! You see it shine from within spirits.

[empty drift]

The game has canon?

I backread a bit and see a lot of headcanons.

[earnest briar]

There is canon stuff, but not a lot. Hence why we make so many theorys and headcanons to explain it.

[keen shore]

The game is also mostly based around visual storytelling, which means that it can be misinterpreted (or interpreted in alternate ways) a lot easier than purely text! Hence why you won’t see anything described as 100% true here unless it’s been directly confirmed to be true.

[untold notch]

there's a lot of show and very very little tell

[empty drift]

Ok.
Baudshaw's loredoc says Skykids, Ancestors, and Elders do not have a gender.
So, what about Granny and the King?

Is there a King in Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

Granny and the king do not have a gender either.

[keen shore]

The Forest being pine barrens once is a pretty cool headcanon, but at least for the time period this mural was made, I can’t see it as true — the trees are too large, unfortunately. Maybe before the mural was drawn, though. I see the events of prophecy as not happening long before the disaster, leaving lots of time for pine barren Forest to be real.

As for the others… I mentioned earlier that I don’t think prophecy happened too long before the disaster (I can explain why, it’s very tenuous stuff but it makes sense in my head, unfortunately we don’t have a ton to go on tineline wise) but if that is not true I still don’t think the murals would depict the realms in that state. Mostly for convenience for us as players of the game trying to identify them, rather than anything else.

still holding on to my perception above as I believe it makes the most sense to me personally

[spring python]

I agree I think the prophecy itself was what the person at the beginning narration refers to when they say "if only they had listened"

[frigid tinsel]

As for the Sky king, almost all info is based on old concept art so likely not very canon. Chosen One seems to be their in-game iteration

[keen shore]

I DO TOO
either that or “maybe we shouldn’t use darkstone actually”. I would assume a mixture of both

[empty drift]

uh, thanks. Last question.
Then why not call them grandparent and Your Highness or Emperor or something?

[spring python]

methinks fanon names?

[keen shore]

Unfortunately, those are the names most people know them by, so often we use them for convenience. I personally prefer belonging guide / chosen one respectively but not everyone knows what I say when I mean those, and also I didn’t write the lore doc

[frigid tinsel]

Nonbinary people don’t have to use gender neutral terms. You do not have to use gendered terms that align with your gender. For example, I’m mostly a man but I have some friends who call me princess.

Also “granny” and “the king” are common fandom names, not canon

[spring python]

my favorite one is using bbg as a gender neutral term

[untold notch]

I'm nonbinary but I use terms like sir because the gender neutral versions suck

[empty drift]

yeah, I can see what you mean.
Thanks I have to go
Bye lore people

[keen shore]

Because of Dark’s influence, whenever I hear the word bbg I just think of enchantment guide.

[untold notch]

dark is too powerful

[spring python]

BAHAHAHA HELP

[frigid tinsel]

I read that a Big Bad Gender

[spring python]

backtracking a lil bit but Ive been wondering if maybe the prophecy was misinterpreted. Like, if it was something on the lines of "Hey, look at the TERRIBLE things that would happen if we let this random kid run haywire with darkstone" people read that as "Oh? I guess we SHOULD let this kid run haywire with darkstone like the painting says!"

[rigid mural]

Thinking about forests that are prone to and even need fire
Black spruce forests, a type of boreal forest, are highly flammable and almost designed to burn. Fire carries well in the understory of black spruce forest. Plants such as feather mosses, lichens, and shrubs in the heather family burn easily.
Some seeds even won't open unless a forest fire happened !
Some plants, such as the lodgepole pine, Eucalyptus, and Banksia, have serotinous cones or fruits that are completely sealed with resin. These cones/fruits can only open to release their seeds after the heat of a fire has physically melted the resin.

hmmm now that I think about it, you know how fire represents light (candles) and (dark) water represents darkness (abyss, wasteland) sometimes ? What if that was another symbolism ? Fires destroying buildings and old trees in the forest as part of the cycle (pyrophyte ecosystem), which ancestors oppossed obviously. So with the power of water, they induce inertia so their buldings are left to stand, but it hurts the forest around them.

[spring python]

(omg brazil reaction hearts)

[keen shore]

YEAH those are the sorts of plants I was talking about! Fire bringing new life…
I know fire can clear out dead/dying plants even in forests that don’t revolve around it, allowing new plants to grow. However, consider

Pre pollution Wasteland with fire-based ecology, instead of Forest…

I also love the way you connected this concept to the whole light as change concept, it makes a lot of sense!

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been saying this for ages — the orange light made wildfires in Forests and even though we generally see wildfires as bad and try to stop them like the ancestors/Rain using blue light, they’re actually a natural part of the ecosystem to allow new foliage to grow the point some plants rely on fire in order to perpetuate.

[keen shore]

YEAH I WAS FHINKING OF YOU TOO!!

Wondering if those necessary wildfires were suppressed for a while so that they wouldn’t damage any infrastructure there. So when one did finally happen and wasn’t caught in time, it burned much more than a natural one would

[spring python]

There is a type of vegetation in Brazil by the name of Cerrado which naturally catches fire during drought, actually, and it is actually an important factor in its upkeep, but also gives the trees this rough aspect. Unfortunately, farmers take advantage of those seasons to cause unnatural fires that can go undetected as they blend in the natural ones

[rigid mural]

A combination of photos taken at a photo point at Florida Panther NWR. The photos are panoramic and cover a 360 degree view from a monitoring point. These photos range from pre-burn to two years post burn.

[rigid mural]

consider this
remember your headcanon Wasteland relied on hunting light creatures ?
hunting them with fire
even birds caught on that you can use it to your advantage

[keen shore]

OH YA LIKE HOW BLACK KITES DO?

[rigid mural]

YEAH YOU GET IT humans did that too

[frigid tinsel]

I think Plains Indians did hunt by setting grasslands on fire to drive out game

[rigid mural]

I think they did that in Australia too, wildfires get really bad here tho.

[spring python]

that was a technique employed by native people in the Amazon, actually. There is a huge different in it that they controlled it, unlike farmers who do it without any restrictions

[earnest briar]

Alasdair, Indians is a really outdated and probably offensive term when you're referring to the tribes who lived in the US before the settlers came.

[frigid tinsel]

Actually the opposite is true — most American Indians prefer the term Indians rather than Native American

Of course preferences will differ between tribes and individuals, but Indians is still an acceptable term

[rigid mural]

I think it would make sense for them to dislike "indian" tbh since the colonisers called the area they found the "indies" thinking they arrived in India.

Google does say the terms can be used interchangeably but there's preferences depending on each tribe and person.

[frigid tinsel]

Again it varies but a large percentage still prefer Indian to refer to all indigenous people in the United States area. Whereas Native American was a term that was pressed upon them against their wishes that they feel doesn’t encapsulate their experiences.

It’s why federal organizations with Indian in them keep the name, such as the Bureau of Indian Affairs

[earnest briar]

ah, I didn’t know that.

[rigid mural]

Oh okay, thank you for the clarification !

[untold notch]

that's good to know

[frigid tinsel]

it’s preferable to refer to specific indigenous people by their tribe, but when speaking of them generally you can use Indian (US), First Nations (Canada), or Aboriginal (Australia), or indigenous people of [country].

It’s not that Native American is an inappropriate term, but it’s more controversial in the indigenous community. Indian more or less was reclaimed like queer is for LGBTQ+ folk.

Not saying Indian was ever a slur but to draw similarities.

[soft timber]

This is also similar to how there are people who prefer African American over Black and vise versa, and even some like me who prefer to be called what my origin is (I am technically of Carribean decent but I call myself Mixed for the fact that I'm American born, but my grandparents are from 2 different countries in the Carribean)

Not really a slur but to assume that someone is African American or Black just for their skin tone can cause a bit of chaos

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, Black is generally used for those of the African diaspora thus don’t know their cultural origins, but those who do tend to call themselves by their nation or culture. African American is dubious. Some use it but I know of those who fiercely oppose having that applied to themselves, like my dad.

A lot of white people tend to use African American when they should really use Black, like I’ve seen “British African Americans” which is just... lmao

Have also seen this exchange:
“There are no African Americans in Europe.”
“Yea, there are. They’re called Black Europeans.”

[spring python]

It’s important to note it can vary depending on language too, in Brazil you should not use the term Indian (Indio) as they have expressed before the term indigenous or native is more proper over here

[frigid tinsel]

Hence why I said for indigenous people of the United States

[untold notch]

ok

[slate saffron]

On an unrelated note would ye consider Resh (head-canon wise that is) a kind of King Wenceslas-like figure, An Emperor of Man-like figure, or something else/somewhere in between?

[keen shore]

Do you think you could give us an overview on what you mean by both of those descriptions?

[slate saffron]

Like

"Guy who goes out of their way to help people"
or
"Guy who thinks they're in the right, conquers nations brutally, would have 10,000 people sacrificed to themselves daily, & is worshipped as a God even if they didn't truly intend for it but doesn't seem to have any objections"

[frigid tinsel]

inb4 Resh Onceler

[slate saffron]

What does inb4 mean Alasdair.A. Dair

[untold notch]

please unmake resh onceler

[round parrot]

mmm Resh Onceler

[slate saffron]

The children need religion again I think

[untold notch]

do they

[frigid tinsel]

a shortening of "in before"

[keen shore]

I want to crush you between my hands like an empty soda can

[slate saffron]

Aluminum can cut so be careful on that. I would recommend wearing gloves or mittens of a non-plastic variety

[untold notch]

the children do not need religion what the children need is a silly hat and a ball that jingles when you roll it

[keen shore]

The children do not need religion, what the children need is a shard directly on top of them.

[frigid tinsel]

Tomatoá would say otherwise

[keen shore]

But you wouldn’t

[untold notch]

what the children need is support for their problems

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird can’t afford a therapist for that many skykids

[slate saffron]

Megabits is rather bad person

[untold notch]

they can support each other sometimes

megabird isn't a person she's a deity and we don't know what they can or cannot do

[slate saffron]

Salem help I cannot add reactions to this message

I want to add 🔷 but discord says no

[untold notch]

it is unfair to put divine beings against human standards when they are wholly different beings

[round parrot]

I did it for you <3

[cobalt palm]

Just adding to that, the descriptive names we see ingame also change, during Belonging "grandma" would have been Belonging Guide, following all those seasons after (though wasn't implemented at the time), but during Days of Feast, became "Belonging Ancestor"
So I don't even think these descriptions are "canonical names" per se

Yay I fixed it, sorry for the repost

Also Megabird is a bit more like "communing with the universe" than a "character" imho

[frigid tinsel]

sniped

[round parrot]

I read that as colonizing the universe 💀
Megabird taking over the universe is quite the scary thought

[frigid tinsel]

arguably They already have

[untold notch]

the known universe anyhow

[native shoal]

Megabird being that unknown spooky They

[slate saffron]

If we assume the dialogue from the opening scene is our wonderful pal megabytes then they seem atleast somewhat human in cognition & are at the very least capable of understanding wants & creating entities to fulfill said wants (i.e bringing "our lost stars home").

HOWEVER

If the Megan is indeed a God with it's own will & not simply a personification of the light, then it is a very selfish one. It sends children to collect light and reunite it with itself without seeming concern for the children in question, or even the spirits in question considering it sends the children AFTER the collapse to clean up the mess rather than during or before to prevent it.

[cobalt palm]

They already are, though there is a thought that there is also a "dark" force in the universe of Sky too, and Megabird is only one side, though a galaxy sized abyss beast gives me the shivers

[frigid tinsel]

I know Megabird and the Light are sometimes spoken of as the same and in my headcanon they kinda are, but I see Megabird as the acting animate consciousness of the Light while the Light is just a bunch of entities of light just vibing in space

[native shoal]

By the sheer scale of megabird once you watch the credits all the way, there’s no way that it’s just Sky’s creatures flowing into that, there has to be more

[cobalt palm]

Pretty dangerous calling them Megan

[untold notch]

theres a lot I'd love to say about this but I don't know how I want to say it

[keen shore]

Megabird is awesom I went there once and asked for a hug and they gave one to me :] checkmate

[slate saffron]

Oh no. I've been destroyed with facts & logic

[frigid tinsel]

I bet there are a number of Megans inside Megan

[round parrot]

Even WITH the amount of ancestors in the Sky kingdom, it would still not have enough stars to complete Megabird, unless the reason as to why the Sky kingdom fell is due to overpopulation

[native shoal]

What I’m getting at is other planets/worlds that also contribute to megabird

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is likely composed of much more than just ancestors

[round parrot]

yeah, that could be a possibility

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, we definitely see manta, birds, and even a whale flowing up to orbit

[native shoal]

I mean all of the light creatures too, there’s no way that something seemingly the scale of the lanikea supercluster or at least like a solar system is made of just the sky creatures and spirits

[untold notch]

with the show don't tell format of sky there's a lot about megabird that we just. don't know. she may show concern for the children, it just isn't visible in the format sky is presented in. additionally, she may have not been able to send skykids to the world during or before the calamity, perhaps due to not knowing or just simply not being able to

there are a lot of assumptions being made here that we just Don't Know Enough About!

[round parrot]

Considering the small amount of kinds of light creatures, I wouldn't be surprised if extinct Light Creatures joined in on the Megabird constellation

[cobalt palm]

Roll out the legendary wooly manta!

[slate saffron]

Very true! We will simply have to threaten TGC directly to get our answers then.

[cobalt palm]

I heard 90% of the Megabird is wool, which is why it looks so staticy

[frigid tinsel]

blokes still would try to eat Them

[native shoal]

This one is more of a story prompt than anything but what if brand new skids can feel an absence where the rest of the light was when they were up in the stars, and that’s why friendship is so important, to rebuild connections to other lights

[slate saffron]

Is wool hair?

[round parrot]

Does this help?

[cobalt palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/1015506018232447016/8b90994c-ae67-4ee2-8042-bf5f8dcc4939.png

[untold notch]

mroo

[cobalt palm]

wroo wroo

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that Megabird is just doing their best and doesn't know the perfect plan

[cobalt palm]

Daww this is #cozy-sky-discussion levels of adorable

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat can be wholesome, as a treat

[native shoal]

I was gonna draw a wooly manta real quick but I forgot what they look like

[untold notch]

the two genders are wholesome and sad about dusk

[frigid tinsel]

I like the thought that because of skykids, all ancestors who might've been separated in life before they died would be reunited in the Light

[native shoal]

Don’t forget the third one, sad about Tearful light miner

[keen shore]

YEAH :3

[untold notch]

or the fourth one sad about the number seven

[keen shore]

I vanish into the night with a mischevious look upon my face

[frigid tinsel]

“dear”

[native shoal]

Can someone send wooly manta I forgor what they look like and I wanna draw them

[cobalt palm]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[native shoal]

The amount of effort that occurred does not show in the drawing but tada

[frigid tinsel]

Fluffy

[austere bridge]

I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA /positive
what if…
the reason yeti is so fluffy
is because they shish-kebab’d with wooly mantas?

[tepid veldt]

why did i suddenly understand the concept of shishkebab with that message

[native shoal]

My concept of shish kebab is not matching up with how you use that word

[native shoal]

Ah

[frigid tinsel]

—soup: when two or more souls/light fuse into one.
—salad: when two or more souls inhabit one body yet remain distinct.
—sandwich: when light connects multiple bodies or entities together.
—shishkebab: when proximity with light creatures alters the light of another entity.

[native shoal]

I was thinking the literal real life shish kebab and I was like ‘hold up’

[frigid tinsel]

Yea idk why we used food terms

[spring python]

Elder’s favorite snack

[spring python]

Tbh I’m not sure what else to call it. Math terms would work but it’d be even more confusing

[native shoal]

Maybe overlapping, roommates, stretching/sharing, and linked?

[untold notch]

it's not very simple at all I made up words for them but that doesn't help if you don't understand what they mean

[keen shore]

We started at soup, calling a character people soup (you’ll never guess who it was /s) and it ballooned from there

[round parrot]

||Popping in to share a lightblur idea
Cheese: The seperation of 1 whole light being to a dozen of smaller light creatures||

[keen shore]

that would be a sandwich!

[round parrot]

OHH SANDWICH
Thank you

[mystic cosmos]

Not to change the subject… BUT Sooo I noticed this mural and maybe this has already been discussed (I’m pretty sure it has) but it seemed interesting. To me it almost looks like they’re collecting light from creatures and turning it into those light stone things. Maybe even staffs for elders. What do you think? This is in treasure reef btw

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s pretty much what it looks like. Ancestors luring mantas to use their light to make power diamonds.

[mystic cosmos]

Wow our wonderful ancestors

[slate saffron]

Idea!

[uncut pond]

That's kinda like mind control with extra steps if I'm understanding the graphic correctly?

[frigid tinsel]

That’s a shishkebab

[slate saffron]

Pain

[digital mural]

Can we have Surtr beneath the Eden?

[eternal totem]

Technically souping, but we will eventually split, side affects are paranoia & memory loss or displacement

[frigid tinsel]

Surtr?

[slate saffron]

My internet is failing me

Do not merge with my mother it is not a good idea I do not own a bone saw do not do it

[eternal totem]

Too late

[untold notch]

congrats on the marriage?

[slate saffron]

Terrible. I will have to go Walmart now

[rare night]

I just witnessed the end of a food topic in lore chat

[round parrot]

Ok so, I have a character concept where a Skykid has the ability to explode into dozens of butterflies and gather all the butterflies back to reconstruct the Skykid (basically like how a vampire can shapeshift into one or more bats)

And idk if it is Shish-kebab or Sandwich

[frigid tinsel]

If they gained that ability by being around butterflies, shishkebab. If they’re just like that, sandwich

[odd siren]

we’ve noticed how big the weapons are in battlefield in golden wasteland are, right?

[uncut pond]

Ancestors used gundams, there's no other logical explanation for why are all the weapons elder-sized

[rigid mural]

What if the elders are the gundams

[uncut pond]

Do you think Dusk would piggyback carry all the wasteland ancestors like when you're playing the game and see 7 skids forming a stair?

Like, the wasteland ancestors were all actually kinda soft so they used Dusk as mecha(?) to fight in their place

And the reason they lost the war was because there was only one Dusk 😔

Sorry for spouting nonsense it's 1am and I should probably be sleeping but my brain refuses to give up

[keen shore]

You can see a mural of ancestors(?) using resize potions at the Ark, which could explain it!

[uncut pond]

That's actually a very good explanation

[native shoal]

They lost the war because they ran out of size potions/j

[weary grail]

Hey guys I was doing my regular sky uber and then I noticed a stone tablet, "Oh cool how long has that been there I wonder" and then I noticed another one in a different realm and now I'm curious about them check images below

In hidden Forrest by social campfire

In daylight Prarie outside of the tired bell makers place on the Pier

I've been keep an eye out for others I'm the realms but haven't spotted any since looking

[rigid mural]

These are clocks ! They show the time at which the brook rainbow and village fairy ring appear respectively.

[weary grail]

How?

[frigid tinsel]

The dot above the circle doesn’t move and indicates the top of the hour. The dot inside the circle does move. When that dot is at the :50 position, that’s when the rainbow and fairy ring appear.

[weary grail]

Are there move of these?

[frigid tinsel]

No. Just those two.

[potent sedge]

ik this was retconned according to the wiki because of it being a suspected glitch but honest to god i still want this to be canon so badly, give me my king death-by-GW-elder dang it

[weary grail]

Anyone else want an event or season where we can see what sky looked like in the past? (Mainly saying this to see my favorite realm, isle of dawn be green like in the Nintendo trailer)

[flint bolt]

hey

is birb canon?

[potent sedge]

who is birb

[flint bolt]

birb

[pastel brook]

this is all an enigma to me..

have you considered how the moon phase affects this?

[outer hare]

bobbith

[outer hare]

no, no i havent.

[solar bane]

im gonna wait for lore chat to be alive after they finish the 4th quest of aurora

[bold locust]

Speaking of that quest, it surprised me that the Seed of Hope (i think that's their name; playing on different language) got injured by an arrow (assuming it is one). I thought that the only enemies of the ancestors were Krills.

[rotund spindle]

I’m more surprised at the size of the two tiny krills that were chasing them

[silver onyx]

i think they're baby krills and their mom got mad at those spirits

[copper saffron]

ok lorechat, new quest, what yall think

[tepid veldt]

writing this at 2am i have no idea if any of this makes no sense or every bit of sense or if it was relatively obvious from the beginning and im just stupid

warrior of love introduced murals in the coliseum representing the realms. when i first looked i couldnt find isle, and assumed it was lumped into prairie. (still havent found vault either)

looking at this now, i think the top of the coliseum is isle. it has bird symbols and it is the place where we are told that the stars fell.

mr funny red dome thingy im a tad stuck on. it could mean an explosion, but isle is extremely far away from the only explosive i know of (eden diamond) and if isle suffered damage, then wouldnt the others be showing more severe damage?

[solar bane]

the red circle is actually a reference to the red sun in the seed video

ye this one
Big red sun on "The Seed" music video thumbnail

[tepid veldt]

also, can somebody kindly give me a refresher on what the different shields in wasteland mean? trying to formulate smth

[solar bane]

hmm
one with a sun symbol
and there was another shield but i forgot the design

[solar bane]

okay the other shield design is a diamond

now that i think of it
interesting
one shield is the sun
while the other is a diamond
interesting

[empty drift]

The new quest is awesome.
The soldiers have different weapons. Does that mean they are a rebel group?
I read about the battlefield has two sides and there are spears shields and swords everywhere.
Who are the soldiers that have the bigger weapons? Do Sky have giants!?

[faint hawk]

The lore implications of the new quest are huge But what does it all MEAN???

[scenic siren]

The ancestors in 4rd quest use ancestor-sized weapons 🤔 Does that mean all huge spears in front of the temple are Wasteland elder's weapon?
Wasteland elder must have a huge wardrobe full of spears

[copper saffron]

that's what i was thinking! did they have giants? or mechs? or something? who used the giant weapons?

[noble ferry]

what if the giant krills used the weapons?? /j

[scenic siren]

Now I am thinking about dark stone powered giant mechs 🤔 Totally possible

[copper saffron]

it's so funny to imagine the ancestors climbing into a mecha tho

[noble ferry]

Sky x (insert mech anime)
that would be so cool.

also having a mental image of ancestors using a comically long ladder to get into their mech
optionally, jellies!

[copper saffron]

would the mechs be modelled after elders?

[noble ferry]

I'm having a mental image of isle elder mech and just wacking krills with their staff

[copper saffron]

thing is, mechs could also be used to assist in building and stuff, so they couldve originally been made for that and then repurposed for war

[noble ferry]

oooooo you have a point
i can see wasteland mech being used for demolition and valley mechs being used for climbing high places

[copper saffron]

ye! man how did a joke end up creating such a cool concept

[noble ferry]

idk lol
the magic of lorechat

[copper saffron]

indeed
if i had time and motivation i'd totally doodle these

ideas are already bouncing around my head
should i model them after the elders?
how do the ancestors get in? how tall would they be? (wasteland one can probably be calculated by looking at the spears)

[noble ferry]

comically tall ladders
or you know, the floating platforms in forest temple or vault

ngl, sort of reminds of the sky:cotl fancomic called Cipher Enigma where there's a gigantic skykid mech
It's on instagram by ducksouppastry

[copper saffron]

oh yeah floating platforms!
the WHAT
i need to see this now
SKYKID MEGAZORD

found them!

[noble lance]

Had an epiphany, sky kids are tiny ants

[copper saffron]

im reading it rn and it has the energy of evangelion
"child, you must pilot the robot"
"no i dont wanna pilot the robot"
im playign cruel angel's thesis in my head lol

[copper saffron]

haha i just read the comic and it's so cool
combines two things i love

reminds me of a thing im working on too
skykid foretold in a prophecy is the one destined to command insane power and save the kingdom

[potent sedge]

so does anyone else think that aurora is a goddess in the sky universe or is that just me

[copper saffron]

she probably is in some way

[solar bane]

aurora megabird

[copper saffron]

megaurora
she might be the voice of megabird,

[potent sedge]

sounds like an ineresting idea tbh

[quick terrace]

What interests me about the red sun/dome is that is covers the big diamond symbol in the coliseum.

[rotund spindle]

the krills here are so tiny 🤏

did our ancestors killed all the small krill, that’s why we are only left with big angry krills now?

[potent sedge]

There's also the mini krill in i think the treasure island place but i think that was only in angler's memories [at least i hope that was a mini krill XD]

[round parrot]

Well, while it is possible ancestors hunted tiny krills, I would like to think that tiny krills would survive, bury themselves underground (since I have this headcanon that krills are burrowing creatures), in which the krills would absorb darkness or light (and make their surroundings corrupted) and bury themselves out of the hole as big and angry krills

[rotund spindle]

like so..?

[rotund spindle]

waiting for the lore aficionado to finish the quest and share their interpretations

[round parrot]

Exactly ||/light-hearted||
(also the first krill we see also rises out of the ground too )

[eternal totem]

Remember that krill are corrupted light creatures, killing the young ones before they further mature or something

[sharp lichen]

Given how I’m an Asian Indian, I use Native American to prevent confusion and provide a clear distinction

[copper saffron]

@noble ferry

Ok i thought more about the ancestor mechs, and while i wont doodle them rn because its late, i do have ideas for their uses

Theyre all modelled after their respective elders,

Isle - Guidance
With a "lighthouse staff", these are used for signalling groups and directing traffic, like the Elder directs the birds. Being a smaller build, they are also used for patrols into more dangerous areas, as the staff can also be used as a makeshift weapon and a torch.

Prairie - Transportation
Strong and sturdy, suited for carrying supplies and objects, moving boats, herding large mantas etc. They can stack things on their backs and run for longer on less power.

Forest - Construction and Mining
Smaller and more dextrous, suited for building temples, houses, and for mining operations. The 'hair' is a series of plates that can wrap around the body like a teepee, to protect the mech and pilot in the event of a cave-in or similar incident.

Valley - Exploration
Similar to Forest, these ones are less bulky and more agile, so they can run and jump. The hands and feet have claws that can fold out for extra grip when climbing mountains or walking through snow.

Wasteland - Demolition
Similar build to Prairie, but larger and stronger. Heavily armoured to protect it from impacts and debris. Their strength is what led to them being repurposed for warfare, able to wield giant weapons.

Vault - Organisation
Used solely within the Vault itself, these are the smallest of the fleet and have hovering capabilities, to arrange and sort the memory cubes stored within.

[serene light]

About tiny krills, I personnally think that tiny krills are not mature krills
We only see big krills because they're older, and there is no baby krills atm (maybe since Eden explosion ?)
Who knoooows

[regal forge]

Not Aurora being contained-

Music artists go in the colorful song time jail

Hey wait-
Were literal krill meant to appear during that part of the quest or did someone open the gate at the perfect time??

[round parrot]

I think the area was already infested with krills before the memory started (or perhaps before Seed of Hope went out to look for the wounded)

[uncut pond]

I can't believe Skybot of all people was the one that foreshadowed Seed's quest

I'm literally crumbling to dust how could this even happen

[odd siren]

maybe krill can throw spears

[rigid mural]

Anxious Angler's memory features a tiny krill as well ! Perhaps they were manageable back when ancestors were around, but due to their dissappearance, more got to grow to be huge by the time Skykids came around.

[tepid veldt]

kinda want to see how big the big krill was in the memory compared to the krill in-game
maybe theyre the same size and i just thought it was big because of the baby krill

[rigid mural]

As for the belligerents of the conflict, my friend on another server pointed out that if you turn off the music, you hear people yelling as waves of arrows are sent, so it must be ancestors vs ancestors.

Two shields theory (based off the fact there's two different kinds of symbols on Wasteland shields) proposes that it was a conflict between ancestors protecting darkstone factories (see how the first krill area looks like the forest temple, a refinery) while the other sided with light creatures against their abuse (concept timeline has light creatures warring against ancestors).

I think it would fit the realm since Wasteland is associated with mid-life, a period where you're questioning yourself and having conflicts of interest.

I also think the krill are a byproduct of the darkstone industry and could have been considered threats that attacked both sides.

[tepid veldt]

there to cause problems on purpose

[uncut pond]

Worth mentioning that spears are coming from both sides, from outside the temple and from it as well, as the spear that hit Seed seems to have come from the temple, despite earlier in the memory the spears are coming from the other side

So looking at the shields it was definitely an ancestor vs ancestor war

[rigid mural]

There could definitely be a third party of ancestors focused on tending the wounded from both sides that get ignored.

[round parrot]

And perhaps accidentally wounded in the process

[uncut pond]

That's what I was thinking during the memory too, maybe seed wasn't a person who took a side during the war, but rather just healing the wounded

[round parrot]

I mean- they are called Seed of Hope /nm

[rigid mural]

Yeah that's my point. Arrows are sent in pretty neat rows too, so either there were archers coordinating or... it was a trap laid on the battlefield.

[round parrot]

why not both

[uncut pond]

Tho it's weird that we don't see the statues of the king(?) do anything, maybe they weren't turrets after all...

[tepid veldt]

i was hoping they would do something as well 😔

[rigid mural]

Or maybe the memory happens when the turrets already weren't in a state to work.

[uncut pond]

Good point, maybe by the time the war was raging the elders were already on Eden dealing with the diamond or maybe the war happened after the cataclysm, so there would be no one with the power to operate the turrets

[round parrot]

Buy why was there a war while the elders were gone?

[uncut pond]

I believe one side, the one coming from the temple, was trying to defend the entrance to the Vault of Knowledge, while the other side was trying to access it

[round parrot]

But why do the ancestors want to access Vault?

[uncut pond]

Maybe ancestors thought that the Vault was a place safe from the darkness, a bunker/shelter, but only scholars were allowed inside by the time darkness began taking over

As for krills, I'm not sure. Maybe at the beginning a faction of the ancestors tried using them as weapons, but it eventually backfired and they went crazy with their hunger

This would be a parallel to one of TGC's previous games, Journey, where War Machines were created during a war for the resources of the land, and these Machines were a kind of corrupted/mechanized mantas(?) which were programmed to steal the life of cloth creatures (Journey's equivalent of light creatures) but turns out that since the ancients were also made of cloth the Machines started attacking them all, leading to their extinction

[stark quarry]

Tgc really did just slap us with a mess of mountain of paper containing sky lore then just "we are lazy to tell the actual lore do it yourself" huh

This is like fnaf lore but more complicated

also less context of what actually happend

[untold notch]

ponder the aurororb

[low spindle]

Aurororb in live is weird to see. I love it

Has there been discussion about the smaller krills yet?

[rigid mural]

Sneaky Survivor's memory shows ancestors considered krill a threat too ! Perhaps it's indeed like Journey and ancestors had a spark of light they wanted...

[stark quarry]

I don't think that way because in the memory it seems like the people who throw spear at them actually keeping them from going outside of the area
Because look at the picture bellow the spear model looks like elder wasteland spear (but more small)
Maybe its the opposite
Maybe just maybe the vault of knowledge is the one who spread the darkness, i mean we can see in one of the abyss mural that the people from vault of knowledge have relation with the king krill, it maybe was just a regular manta whale but then it got experiment on, and it mutated to the form we see now, maybe vault of knowledge people is experiment on the darkness and it got out of control that the people inside got slowly infected with it the people who survive is running away from that place and as we know wasteland have pipe and stuff with it, it also seem like it connected to the vault (once again maybe for experiment or stuff also to search for the cure of the epidemic that happened to the kingdom) maybe, MAYBE THE VAULT OF KNOWLEDGE IS THE ONE WHO STARTED THE DARKNESS BECAUSE THE FORMER SKY KING ALSO THE ONE WHO STARTED THE RESEARCH ON THE DARKNESS TO MAKE IT TO LIGHT POWER buuuut it just my theory don't take it seriously

Oh my it longer than i thought
Sorry peeps

[untold notch]

interesting to refer to the entire vault of knowledge as one person

[rigid mural]

Hmmm idk it looks like Vault wasn't the only place that could have been a source of darkness, see how Forest had mining and refineries that could have released darkness, or the Treasure Reef that used to be a research facility. Vault strikes me more as a... vault. That's like comparing a lab to a library because both have nerds

[untold notch]

there are different branches of nerds

[rigid mural]

Astral, what subclass of nerd are you

[untold notch]

chemistry

which gets a little interesting in a magic based game like this one

[rigid mural]

I liked making molecule models in high school, atomic Lego.

[untold notch]

if I don't get to set something on fire or watch something explode this year in ap chem what will even be the point

[spring python]

THE BABY KRILL AMG

[rigid mural]

But yeah, I don't think darkness in the kingdom had a single source more than multiple ones, just like there isn't a single source of pollution irl, but multiple ones.

[spring python]

I’m so sad no one died but it’s still my favorite quest so far

[rigid mural]

I find it interesting darkness tends to be associated with water, see how krills come out of dark water and crabs hang out near it when it's there.

That and concept art had clear water be holy (see its presence in Orbit and how a majority of light creatures are aquatic) so maybe desecrating it with darkness corrupts the creatures within, hence the krill.

Like I think the desecration of clear, lively water is so important due to the symbolism of darkness pollution rendering everything immobile and sterile...

[latent loom]

so the two shield symbols in the wasteland imply two factions. in the memory when Seed is tending to the first wounded (I’m so sorry I forgot to get a picture) the guard stationed at the medical tent has the sun symbol on his shield.

if there was a war over dark stone production (this theory has been thrown into the ring by several ppl), then perhaps the diamond symbol stands for the faction protecting the darkstone production, and the sun, or “light”, stands for the faction protecting the light creatures

so in that case the soldiers we see belong to the faction protecting the light creatures, hence why Seed was wounded by an arrow from those defending the Vault?

[spring python]

I still think it’s a concept of the duality of the Sky and the Ocean

[untold notch]

they could've been fought by the organized forces of who supported darkstone and they were resisting it but ultimately failed

[frigid tinsel]

Fair, although it’s better to refer to groups of people by now they’re prefer to be called. American Indian refers to indigenous groups while Indian American refers to Americans with heritage from India. Yea, it’s still a bit confusing but the latter follows the naming scheme of other ethnic Americans (Asian Americans, African Americans, Irish Americans). Sometimes you’ll hear Amerindian for indigenous people of the US. Again, it can be confusing but it’s /shrug

[stark quarry]

"Treasure Reef that used to be a research facility" yeah there a mural there supporting the fact that vault of knowledge people is the one who create it

[austere bridge]

no-one died, but lots of people were critically injured!

[stark quarry]

Also vault of knowledge maybe more bigger than we thought since the wall is really thick and there maybe a lot of hidden room such like the graveyard area, and even though the place seems like just like library there maybe more, i mean where did the knowledge come from if not experiment stuff first

[rotund spindle]

regarding the ‘no one died’— Did you guys forgot the spirit that Seed of Hope ‘saved’

it looked like Seed of Hope left the spirit and crawled away. or is this the same spirit that came to save Seed of Hope later on in the memory?

[stark quarry]

I think bro die fr fr
I mean look at that pose

[low spindle]

Rip to the spirit, they tried their best

[flint bolt]

ah yes, the spirit died

mmm boneappletea

[spring python]

The family guy death pose

[rigid mural]

Wym ? This still is the Treasure Reef, sure some vault scholars might be there, but this doesn't really show the Vault was a source of darkness.

[eternal totem]

They were badly injured, so it seems like they bled out. I like to think they told Seed to go on before passing on 😁

[stark quarry]

point at king krill then what the cause of that thing

[rigid mural]

The king krill is in the Treasure Reef, not the Vault.

[stark quarry]

Then..? Hold on lemme go to treasure reef real quick and go take a ss

[rigid mural]

[spring python]

They look nothing like a krill tbh

[stark quarry]

Yeah but people still call em that

[spring python]

I like leviathan a lot it sounds so cool

[low spindle]

Hold on does someone have an image of the completed map of the world of sky? I wanna check something with the vault and treasure reef stuff

[lusty merlin]

I just do it for simplicity sake I don’t actually think they’re a type of krill

[eternal totem]

It's a fan name, canonically it has no name

[lusty merlin]

The sky fan wiki has a full image

[low spindle]

Oh sweet!! I'll check it out

[spring python]

I like leviathan cause it can also double as the book by hobbes and my philosophy nerd self loves that

[lusty merlin]

Hacked content, and it’s best to delete the image too since images of hacked content arnet allowed in game (well in the server)

[stark quarry]

(So sorry ping!) notice how every figure in the mural has the long mask? No other mural figure in other places has the same characteristics as them because mostly people who wear the long mask are from vault of knowledge
They prob make research facility in treasure reef for easy access since there aren't deep water in vault area

[weary grail]

How do I delete stuff? I'm a discord noob

[stark quarry]

Hold the message you wanna delete and you will see a delete option

[eternal totem]

Forgotten Ark murals has the same characteristics, it only implies they're scholars, not from Vault necessarily

[untold notch]

it's easy to make that connection though since all the scholar spirits are in vault

[stark quarry]

Wait pardon me which area in ark? I wanna take a look

[stark quarry]

Yeah that what i mean also vault is after and closer to wasteland so i think maybe the people from the mural come from vault of knowledge

[lusty merlin]

(I belive it’s on the front of the ark, has the same figures)

Rereading this convo im getting that battlefeild was an ancestor vs ancestor vs dark creature war if I’m correct? (I’m still waking up from my sleep so I could be misreading) The spears flying in a volley fire (fireing in groups hence the spears) were definitely seen to be alot more deadly and had a higher chance of hitting a krill or hurt an ancestor (which worked) the fact they were able to do a volley fire with spears though it pretty impressive alone, unless they’re more like javelins

Also where there any ideas of what the war could be about or is that still pure speculation right now

[stark quarry]

Thank you for the location place

[noble ferry]

sorry for seeing this a little late but i really love the ideas!

[stark quarry]

My mistake seems like the figure with long mask does appear in other place
But ark is still in wasteland so it could be mean the scholar travel to research for new things

Orrrr i could be wrong again because it could be a different scholar from another place..? But that theory doesn't make sense because still vault of knowledge peeps (mostly( still the one who wear the same long mask

[untold notch]

it's possible that all scholars wear the mask of to honor them or something like how all the warrior/soldier basegame spirits we see have masks similar to 's

[stark quarry]

It could be

[untold notch]

I like mask lore it's neat

[stark quarry]

Also i noticed something else in the murals

Spirit from hidden forest seems like portrayed with the hat from double high-five spirit and umbrella from laid-back pioneer spirit which is kinda neat

[untold notch]

umbrella hat /hj

[stark quarry]

Irl umbrella hat isn't cool as sky umbrella hat 😔

[untold notch]

now we just need the rest of the spirit cards

[stark quarry]

How many spirit in sky again? 90+ or summ?
We could totally make a card game with them

[untold notch]

well theyve only really been doing seasonal spirits and they started with flight so

[stark quarry]

There 37 basic spirit in sky
For seasonal i don't really know

[remote skiff]

ok but the fact that there were tiny krill

i thought it could've just been whales that turned into krill but now there's smaller ones so????

[stark quarry]

Baby krill

Alright its time for me to sleep but first lemme just put this here
Also poor forest elder

[quasi harbor]

sharing what i understood in the 4th quest

basically the timeline for seed of hope seemed to be the kingdom nearing its end and seed of hope looked like a field medic. Seed of hoped saved the first soldier and brought them to safely while being chased by the enemies from the spears being thrown at them. Then some time later they went out and found another injured soldier and tried to take them back to safety. but they got ambushed by the enemy and took an arrow on their back. it seemed like the soldier they were carrying fully died and since there was enemies seed of hope tried to crawl for cover. later one krills seemed to come around the area and the 2 soldiers back at their little camp went out to search for them when they didn't come back. they killed the smaller krills and and found seed of hope. then a bigger krill spotted them and they tried to run to safety. one soldier threw their sword at the krill's eye to buy themselves time and took cover. after the krill passed they went back to their camp and back to safety.

[hollow geyser]

I don't believe the darkness coming out of the vault.
After all, Eden is right behind it.
For me it's more like the Darkness came from Eden, across the vault right into Wasteland. Of course, this way it looks like the vault is the source, but since we're dealing with flying creatures, they can also just glide over walls. That's why you throw weapons in the direction of them and to the vault.

[rigid mural]

Well. That sure was a quest. Loved the part where our character gets stabbed.

Yeah, from what I see it seems krills are huge threats but not affiliated to any side, they look more like scavengers looking for any light that strays too close or is too slow; it's interesting that everyone is in a hurry to pick bodies up and shelter them under a tarp; like us, ancestors could evade krills by staying out of their line of sight it seems, so no heat vision for krills (red spotlight in that quest and in the Sneaky Survivor memories could be just to make us flinch and do a double take).

[keen shore]

shelter them under a tarp so they don’t get seen by krill spotlight is what you’re saying? smart, I didn’t make that connection! it is a cool detail :3

[untold notch]

everyone under the blanket NOW

[spring python]

(Krills probably have really bad eyesight and can only see if you’re light)

[keen shore]

Shoutout to orange light healers gotta be one of my favorite genders fr
Hey Let did you like the quest it’s in your favorite realm

[frigid tinsel]

Krill lack object permanence

[rigid mural]

Salem pointed out on another server that the ancestors use different weapons against krills, the huge swords. Could be that each side was fighting the other as well as krills, seeing that the tiny arrows are used against ancestors and the bald soldiers picked up swords to save Seed of Hope.

[frigid tinsel]

This guy chucks their sword at the krill, dope as hell.

[spring python]

HECK YEAH BTW WE WON ANOTHER GAME ANOTHER VICTORY MORE THAN WASTELAND’S
It’s my favorite quest so far, specially because it’s the first time we see what the battle felt like in person

[keen shore]

did spade do it earlier and I didn’t see or did you confuse us, I am STEALING their identity

[spring python]

Also the hug at the end was so cute the little meow meows

[keen shore]

YEAAH i would assume those swords aren’t meant to be chucked (could be wrong though) so it seems like this was a desperate action to distract the krill from their friends which is really sweet

[frigid tinsel]

They

[rigid mural]

[spring python]

I took a photo too they really nailed the body language

[frigid tinsel]

Sky models can be kinda clunky but m a n

[spring python]

With no facial expressions you can still tell the relief they feel

[keen shore]

YEAH THEY REALLY NAILED MAKING THIS SCENE FEEL REALLY REAL AND EMOTIONAL IT GOT ME
it’s really sweet

[rigid mural]

Yeah that was you, my bad. Spade is the Wasteland guy in my mind so everything in that realm is vens to me

[frigid tinsel]

“I got you, I got you. You’re safe. You’ll be okay.”

[keen shore]

dw abt it, it made me giggle and we both have s names so easy mistake. Also like you said ey are Wasteland Guy so it makes sense

but also I wanted to mention it is super cool/interesting how now, when we traverse wasteland, we only see the anti krill weapons and not the anti ancestor weapons, something to think about

[rigid mural]

My favorite part is the end where the spirits hug Seed of Hope after almost losing them.

[frigid tinsel]

The weapons thst hurt ancestors seem much more flimsy than the ones for krill, so prob dissipated overtime easier than the krill ones

[spring python]

Tossing weapons are def the kinda weapon developed for krills, considering they’re not an enemy you’d fight at close range

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking! They’re also smaller so maybe they’re hidden underneath the sand easier.
Or, scavengers came and recollected them so they could use them again later…

[spring python]

That one scene from Les Miserables

[keen shore]

SAME HERE IT MADE ME

[quasi harbor]

It's sad seed of hope couldn't save the soldier before they got shot. They looked like they didn't wanna leave em

[keen shore]

YEAH, I think the first guy they saved survived but the second one… idk dude

[quick jasper]

i think the second guy was like, badly injured and wasn't gonna make it, but they also didn't wanna leave the body behind

[rigid mural]

I like to think they were saved by other ancestors

[keen shore]

or at least didn’t want them to die alone

[quasi harbor]

I think the first dude was one of the the 2 who went out to search seed of hope when they got injured. Since they were 2 on the healing tent from wat we know of. So maybe a time skip happened and the soldier healed up

[keen shore]

I think so too! This quest was really sweet, getting saved by the people you saved in the past

[quick jasper]

seed of hopes name really makes more sense now, they brought hope of survival to those injured in a fight

[quasi harbor]

Seed of Hope was very much a field medic which is so cool cuz I always wanted to see healer ancestors

[keen shore]

SAME HERE I THINK ITS SUPER COOL HOW THEY HAVE ORANGE LIGHT TOO CAUSE I ALWAYS IMAGINED THAT AS THE HEALING LIGHT CAUSE FIRE HEALS US

[quick jasper]

thank you season of Aurora for the lore food

[quasi harbor]

i always wanted medic ancestors so badly i made an oc whose a healer bgjkwbg
like how did the ancestors heal? old fashion way or magic??? BOTH?!

[keen shore]

I also like to imagine that light radiating off another ancestor can heal/stabilize other injured ancestors. Not a lot but enough to keep them alive. Hence why seed of hope carries injured people and holds them to their chest/core instead of using something like a stretcher

it could also be because of desperation but shhh

[quasi harbor]

I mean I don't see any stretchers around

Also the fact they seem to be the only field medic they have so far makes having a stretcher Abit of a chore to carry. Which is why they only had a pack with medical supplies most likely. Loved that the soldiers picked it up and didn't leave it behind

[keen shore]

yeah that’s why I added the second part that fhe carrying part could be out of desperation / not having other supplies but shhhhh
i also love that the other soldiers didn’t leave it behind too that made me happy

[quasi harbor]

Guess around the time of warrior of loves quest thing we're probably getting worse in the kingdom. It wasn't obvious but I feel like that memory was part of the last few peaceful moments the kingdom had. Of ur wondering why I suddenly mentioned this is cuz if this memory I saw from slouching soldier.

[keen shore]

YEAH backflip is implied to be a soldier that died in the war (as the other two in this picture are as well and presumably that’s why slouch is thinking so much about them),
meaning that warrior of loves quest is probably one of their last happy memories

[quasi harbor]

Why is backflipping with 2 GW spirits?? They are a racer from Valley. backflipping must have later became a soldier at some point. It wouldn't be without reason having a drastic change in career paths is big. So something must have pushed them to be a soldier

I'm sorta actually proud Backflipping seemed to have been doing well as a soldier cuz Saluting captain seemed to have a high ranking and maybe fainting as well

[keen shore]

Relevant graphic on rank and masks

[quasi harbor]

Hmm so Backflipping was already having plans to be a soldier before their memory and the 3rd quest. Guess that race might have been the last one they would ever have before leaving to GW

[keen shore]

They did break their leg (I’d assume) during warrior of loves quest so idk if them joining would’ve been put off for a bit

[quasi harbor]

and I think with them handing over their racing cape to Warrior of Love they seem to be pretty content to leave that honor and of course their manta to warrior. And YeA I guess the injury would have delayed their enlisting to GW cuz they needed to heal up

[keen shore]

Tells warrior of love to take care of their manta until they come back… never comes back

[quasi harbor]

or warrior died first
from wat we see of valley and its ruins it was one of the realms to be seriously damaged
wont be surprise if it took alot of civilians with it 😔

[uncut pond]

Yeah, many areas of Valley are pretty damaged so it's possible backflip died before having the chance to fight the war

[quasi harbor]

dont think so cuz in slouching's memory they were with 2 GW spirits so they must have already been a soldier and at GW before they died.

[slate saffron]

Am enjoying the confirmation that there existed multiple sides to the conflict beyond Krill vs. Ancestor I wonder if that confirms the theory that Tsadi sided with both sides of the conflict

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine Dusk would want to protect their people

[errant wharf]

So who they fighting besides krill in memory... U know.. krills can't shoot arrows... Were here war between realms or something

[frigid tinsel]

It’s commonly thought and heavily implied in this memory that the war was a civil war between ancestors

[quasi harbor]

Conflict of sorts is bound to happen of you're in a dying kingdom with no elders around anymore

[uncut pond]

Seeing that Dusk's temple is practically a door into the Vault, I'm very confident that their duty was to protect that entrance from both dark creatures and ancestors... If Dusk was even still at the temple at that point

[slim plume]

Writing poems based off Sky for each day of the week go brrrrr

[exotic arrow]

Some shields in the battlefield have the symbol on the wasteland elders shield and others have a diamond on them. I always assumed that the diamond represents the king with the diamond mask. Maybe the war was elders vs king

[keen shore]

I’m lost isn’t this just the plot of pre disaster Sky
Am I missing something, it sounds super cool though

[errant wharf]

But isn't king in game only as remnants of an old idea that was not implemented

[exotic arrow]

I'm not sure honestly. There's no sign of him in any memories or in game but there's statues and images of him all over. Maybe no spirits ever met him and that's why he's not in any spirit memories? Or maybe he's just a rejected idea

[native shoal]

Possibly dumb idea but what if the statues everywhere wasn’t the king, and they were just the Eden elder?

Because Eden looks like a city when we fly through

[exotic arrow]

That's very possible. Especially since there's a very small and more simple statue above the eden portal around the bell. Maybe eden was like the capital of the world of sky and it's elder is like a king?

[native shoal]

What I mean is what if the Eden elder and the king are separate characters?

Also I imagine lorechat as a bunch of skids just around a table somewhere in vault trying to piece together their history and how their world works

[austere bridge]

same

[slim plume]

I literally made an organization of sky kids based in a non-canon area of vault that are dedicated to translating the memory cubes in the area. I call them the Archivists and boy did I give all eight of the leaders trauma-

[native shoal]

When the skids discover the concept of war

[sharp lichen]

Isn’t the King and Eden Elder mostly interchangeable

[native shoal]

Im not well read on the lore, I just supply ideas

[sharp lichen]

I believe they are

[uncut pond]

The King and the Eden Elder are believed to be the same character, yes, although is this was true that would have some rather interesting implications regarding the Chosen One, since we know elders were elders from the beginning and thus One couldn't be an elder which opens up a lot of possibilities for One and Storm's relationship and place in the world

[keen shore]

honorary elder :3

[sharp lichen]

Given how in the Switch Trailer Eden was basically uninhabited, it would be interesting if yeah, the King was an honorary/de facto Elder

[keen shore]

I would assume they don’t have the whole (my headcanon, stolen from Vela) elder deal of being intimately tied to their realm cause they’re not an elder, it’s just the realm they’re associated with

[uncut pond]

The thing that makes me extremely suspicious tho is that Eden does have its own constellation as seen in Vault's cutscene, meaning that there has to be an actual Eden Elder out there

The funny thing is that in older version of the game, the main friendship constellation was literally that same Eden constellation, tho now it's different... Although the new friendship constellation is also based on Eden funnily enough

The alternative is that Storm is both a child and an actual elder and the concept art mecha suit is real

[uncut pond]

Elaborating on this, since each realm represents a different stage of both civilization and life, Eden would be the exact same as Isle except the perspective is switched

Isle has the newer generations being guided by a crumbling old person who's nearing their end, watching the cycle of life begin once again, and Eden would represent that exact same thing except now we're at our end and the Elder of the realm is the child

Both realms represent rebirth and the cycle of life and civilization, but from opposite perspectives

[keen shore]

OH THAT IS ACTUALLY REALLY INTERESTING I HADNT THOUGHT OF IT BEFORE WHAT

[empty drift]

Hmmm.
Eden has no spirits or elders. Just skykids.
Are skykids the only guides in Eden? Or are there going to be spirits in Eden?

[uncut pond]

Eden used to have an Elder as evidenced by the Constellation in Vault's cutscene, but they're not there anymore

[lucid egret]

So lorechat. How do we feel about the new Aurora quest?

[slim plume]

Haven't played it yet, school work is drowning me currently

[lucid egret]

Basically: insight into Sky’s past and why the wasteland battlefield is the way it is

[frigid tinsel]

The war

[eternal totem]

ok

[spring python]

I like the color green

[copper saffron]

Haha yeah its meant to kinda mirror that story. Albeit, its also a crossover

Its set in current day sky, where another skykid (named skye) is destined to be the one to free the corrupted king/prince from eden.
They're a veteran disguised as a moth, humble and never forgetting their original calling, to go to eden and free those stuck in there.

Thing is, no one's ever been able to get past the storm because they always die. They cant fight back, their Light doesnt allow it.
Thats where the crossover comes in. Skye gets isekai’d to Destiny, where the Light exists all the same, but here, it has new offensive and defensive capabilities, and even the ability to bring yourself back from death in the darkest of places...

[empty drift]

Is there a reason why a group of ancestors with flying boats and diamond power would use swords, spears and shield in a war?
They have magic, they have diamonds, why not use that?

[pastel brook]

and thats all for todays episode!

[slate saffron]

hwat

[untold notch]

they might not all have/want to use diamonds or magic

[uncut pond]

I think neither diamonds nor magic have real practical offensive uses

[rigid iron]

We know cannoneer has a speargun, so I'm surprised we haven't seen any spirits with crossbows or other ranged weapons. Other than that, it makes sense their weapons would be pretty simple, we haven't really seen the diamonds do much other than power things or make things levitate.

[keen shore]

We know dismayed hunter has a bow also! :3

[rigid iron]

Oh! I must have missed that, that's neat

[keen shore]

YEAH I keep forgetting it exists to be honest…

[uncut pond]

We see tons of spears flying across the battlefield in Seed's memory so while we don't explicitly see guns/crossbows there's the implication that they were used

[untold notch]

basegame spirits get forgotten pretty easily when all these cool seasonal spirits exist

[keen shore]

I love you basegsme spirits…. Basegame spirits appreciation post. What’s everyone’s favorite basegame spirits

[tepid veldt]

maybe bird whisperer? for me they give off massive “birds are all i need my life my love”

[untold notch]

I don't remember them all 🕴️

[keen shore]

mine are tearful light miner and praying acolyte! and whale whisperer

[tepid veldt]

probably one of the valley spirits too,,,i feel like all of them would be fantastic at parties

[untold notch]

I am looking directly at you .

[keen shore]

yes? :3

[tepid veldt]

something feels menacing with that :3

[spring python]

I don’t remember anyone’s name but one of the very first wasteland spirit who’s scared for their life when a krill shows up above them, they’re cute, I love them, and also the wave spirit because when I first played the game back in like 2018 and they waved and I waved because they waved I was like AMG IM LEARNING EMOTIONS

[untold notch]

opinions on the number seven

[keen shore]

10/10 number I would use it to wreck peoples emotions again. One of my favorite numbers acrually

[spring python]

(It’s my lucky number too :v)

[keen shore]

SNEAKY SURVIVOR I LOVE THEM SO MUCH!! THEY REMIND ME OF ALASDAIR

[frigid tinsel]

Sneaky Survivor 👀

[spring python]

I act love all wasteland spirits they’re my little beloveds

[feral venture]

Question, were the spirits fighting the Wasteland Elder or was it against wasteland people in general? And were the krill being controlled/weaponized or just attacking everyone equally?

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s against Wasteland people in general, given there’s multiple shields with different icons on them.

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen shore]

We know this was probably a civil war judging by the spirits firing at each other. We don’t know if any elders were involved or what side they were on yet, but my guess is that Dusk was probably involved. As for the krill, they seem to be like scavengers, arriving after the heat of the battle to pick off any survivors who can’t get away

[spring python]

Those sword models are driving me insane why are they machetes

[feral venture]

I def thing they were machetes with the first one in the ground lol

[spring python]

I’ve been looking for sword models all day but it seems they actually designed it to look like that on purpose

[keen shore]

The machetes might be better against krill? I have no clue. Sky weapons are kinda weird in general. The arrows are just tiny versions of spears. sometimes it feels like they just make things up

[spring python]

Homie used it wrong on the sec pic but still got the krill down so who am I to judge 😭

[feral venture]

Oh! Ok ok, it's just that krills are coming from the castle, looks like if they were sended to the battle ground

[frigid tinsel]

This guy chucks a sword at the krill

[spring python]

They totally said “hiyah” before they did it

[tepid veldt]

take that

[feral venture]

What is this? And where it's supposed to be? Like in the shrine map there's nothing to the left... Yet

Or is just a random building dev let in the game to make everyone crazy trying to figured if was put there just for aesthetic or for lore?

[sharp lichen]

Probably the second lol, there’s lots of strange ghost buildings like that

[tepid veldt]

wasn’t that thought to be a darkstone refinery or am i thinking of smth different?

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps a factory in the distance. We just can’t get to it. It’s implied that the realms are a lot bigger than the areas we are limited to in game

[sharp lichen]

FINALLY, SPIRIT VIOLENCE

[spring python]

As a moth I tried so hard reaching that

[spiral compass]

hi there, fellow Sky children!
wanted to ask something lorewise that has really confused me.
if we are meant to free the spirit souls after completing their memories, why do they come back as both regular spirits, or in the case of seasonal ones, as traveling spirits?
aren’t they technically meant to, like, yk, || fly into the unknown after Eden and forever be at rest?? ||

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so. Considering how Skykids can both be at Orbit and at the Sky world, Spirits can probably do the same!

[spiral compass]

but we reincarnated with a physical body after dying? i don’t really think their case would be the same 🤔
it seems like they came back spirit-like

[uncut pond]

Cannoneer:

[sharp lichen]

I mean, they already were spirit-like in the first place.

So here’s the timeline.

1. Original, physical human form before the game

2. They become the static spirit we need to save.

3. The spirit is freed, they can go wherever they want, either they can stay at Orbit or come back to the Sky world.

[untold notch]

I mean they're called spirits for a reason

[sharp lichen]

They didn’t actually use it

[spiral compass]

ohh, so they technically were just like:
sucks to suck, guys, but we ain’t heading anywhere || even if their entire homeland got engulfed in darkness plants, or just became a desert ||

|| edit 2: also kind of funny how we, as somebody who became spirits a multitude of times come back in a physical sense every time within our exact same body while they tend to hang around metaphysically. ||

edit 3: apologies for the many edits, just trying to tie together the many different strings of thoughts in my mind.

[frigid tinsel]

we free the spirits, they go to Elder temples to ascend to the Light, and we can meet them in Orbit. though they may not have to stay in Orbit if they don't want to – travelling spirits, as you mentioned, or sometimes for Days of Events, or the lightseekers at sapling quests. they seem to have the ability to leave the Light for a period of time to do whatever business down in the world.

for most of them, the spirits seem to return for the sake of the skykids in the world below – Granny serves dinner, guides for Days of Events seem to be teaching skykids holidays. some dismiss travelling spirits as a game mechanic, but I see them as an extension of spirits returning to check up on the skykids or, as a thank you for saving them, to give gifts of gratitude. what the lightseekers are doing with the saplings are up to debate but one thought is that they are cultivating the trees and showing skykids how to care for them.

[boreal nebula]

Idk you, but Last Quest at first gave away the vibe of a civil war (people vs people) but on second run I think it might be more about a resistance against the krills.

If we consider the weapons we see both spears and swords used from this side of the story, which in some moments of the Two Shields Theory , was a meaningful element, either the Sun Shields or the Diamond Shields might have used just the sword or the spears. So if this weapon+shield was true, it would mean that the Seed of Hope is not a swords/spears.

If this were true it could be that the Ancestors fought the krills with everything they got, using baricades to prevent krills charging them on the ground (yay , I speculated this could be possible long ago), even throwing swords if they had to.

But of course the favorite weapons against krills was arrows and spears (to keep the fight to long-distance range).
Which implies that many of this "artillery" either didn't centered the target or go easily repelled by bigger krills. Thus sadly made the war worse, because either platoons of soldiers or random rescuers like the protagonist were unwanted victim of this kind of "defences". Even just a single sword thrown in midair could be a leathal wound for another passing-by ancestor.

Sadly in any war, there are victims of either cross-fire or of miscalculation 😔😟

[copper saffron]

speaking of which, why are there these massive barricade/stake/caltrop things littered all over the battlefield? what were they denying? they're far too large to really block of ancestors
they're to block the mechs

[boreal nebula]

My interpretation is to help defend against krills. If they charged ancestors as they charge us, from midair towards the grounds, it could be a way of trying to hold a line/a position and let krills get impaled by themselves. Who hide behind those barricade could easily repell using swords or spears IMHO

That or it was eithet just a simple 3D object easy to realized and easy to recognize. If the devs modelled something way more complex it could have been trickier to figure out for us what a contraption was meant for

[fiery oracle]

On a similar note, I recently realize that on the last level of the vault, the only elder who's statue is cracked is the dusk elder. Do you think it's meant to represent something or just a design choice?

Like how they betrayed the kingdom or participated in a civil war

[hushed steeple]

Do we know the origin of Dark Dragons? I didn't quite follow Season of Shattering's story on account of being bad at interpreting things

[copper saffron]

there's a common theory that the krill are corrupted light creatures

[fiery oracle]

I don't think it's canon to the world of sky, but it is interesting that during the days of mischief we could ride a friendly krill
Like if they weren't corrupted or evil they could have been used like the Manta Rays

[outer hare]

bobbithrth

[lunar folio]

Almost definitely created by pollution from shattering darkstone.
I think the choice of song for that last Aurora quest is as close of a confirmation as we're ever getting.

[hushed steeple]

Cresting darkstone? 🤔

[deft trench]

Whats the lore

[hushed steeple]

@lunar folio

[lunar folio]

Shattering sorry. My phone has not been agreeing with my word choices today.

[hushed steeple]

Oh! No problem. So you basically mean shards from Eden?

[lucid egret]

The krill sound mechanical to me. Perhaps a dark stone refinery tool that they lost control of that then went rouge/unfortunately developed sentience? I also really enjoyed the last seasonal quest, the Seed of Hope was used so well

[hushed steeple]

I'm still not sure what you mean by "dark stone" unless you're indeed referring to the shards that fall from Eden and seem to spread Darkness (plants, Light sapping crystals etc).

[lucid egret]

Dark stone is the thing that powers everything. The two player doors in any realm, the 8-player door in prairie, the elevator in vault, and the boats in any of the realms. It’s essentially the sky version of electricity

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit hello, new lore moth! This document can help you catch up, though more specific questions can be asked directly here!

[lucid egret]

*snatches doc and runs*
Mine

[tepid veldt]

happy tsadi tuesday everyone

[frigid tinsel]

Confirmed corrupted light creatures a while ago by TGC’s CEO Jenova Chen

[frigid tinsel]

You’ll notice during Dusk’s cutscene that when they collapse, they clutch their side, the same side of the source of the crack on their statue. They were likely wounded and the crack in their statue reflects that injury

[hushed steeple]

thank you! the dark dragons are my favorite creatures and i was wondering what their origin story was

[frigid tinsel]

These are the mostly agreed upon terms:

Darkstone — raw material mined from the ground, seen as the blue chunks in the Treasure Reef mine.
Power Diamonds — the octadahedrons that given light act as batteries/power sources, which darkstone is refined into.
Darkstone Technology — any technology or mechanisms that uses power diamonds to function, like the Vault elevator or most multiplayer doors.
Corrupted Darkstone — red crystals that actively suck out light. Includes red shards.

Some people use darkstone and power diamonds interchangeably so that can be a bit confusing but they’re generally referring to the same thing

[hushed steeple]

first time digging my teeth into the lore itself, so i really appreciate you clarifying terms 💛

[frigid tinsel]

You’re welcome. Sky lore is a hodgpodge of nonsense and vague envidence but we make do with the little canon info we got

[round parrot]

HAPPY TSADI TUESDAY

[untold notch]

it's tsadi Tuesday!

[steady dagger]

honestly this is about all that has stopped me from looking into the lore in the past. everything is so vague. i don't mind vague, i love reading between the lines in stories, but i hadn't come upon anything yet that gave me a concrete story. i still consider myself as being pretty new to Sky so there's definitely a lot i don't know, but I'd expect to at least have a little more understanding just through a single completion.

[boreal nebula]

It was a stylisic choice. I watched a video from the Old Beta (back during development of Sky "Light Awaits", pending name) and the Dusk Elder tombstone/altar was meant to outside the Wasteland Temple (exactly where we light the power diamond/prism to open the gate). So after we woke up from Dusk cutscene, before we noticed the 3 krills, the tombstone was suddenly broken, only the half part visible, with the top part disappeared.

You are free to have your idea/theory, but you can't change my mind about Elder fell in battle in order to protect and let as many refugees as possible before the gate was sealed

[steady dagger]

what happened to the world of sky? why is the darkness there in the first place? was it some force born out of civil war or some other conflict that corrupted the land? i think i saw something mentioning the crystals mined in the abyss, are those the source? or did they get corrupted? and how? usually when I go into my post-apocalyptic worlds I at least can understand why nearly everything is dead. so far i have no idea why everyone is spirits even after playing for almost a year.

[native shoal]

Tsadi deserves some nice soup and a blanket

[flint bolt]

Okay, I'll just summarize everything so we aren't just waiting here As I type.

Sky world funky.
Light shows up.
Everyone gangsta until Darkness shows up.
Big war oooooo.
Elders are like, "We gotta get rid of darkness but OH NO we are dead! "
Sky Kid pops into existence to defeat the darkness.
Dies.
Cycle repeats until there's infinite Sky Kids walking around.

[boreal nebula]

The crystal mined in Abyss is the resources, but in my opinion it's not the source/cause of corruption.

That being said, the leading and more agreed theory is that such crystals is the material for power diamonds which many call Darkstones (even if it could be misleading to call with just that name any kind, material/refined diamond/shards all alike)

[steady dagger]

yeah calling them darkstones made me think "wait, that sounds like a bad thing" and i thought i missed something huge during abyss

[flint bolt]

Don't worry, there's a lot of wall carvings that explain the whole story

[boreal nebula]

I like to think the crystal was just a Light Crystal, cause the Tearful spirit is called Light Miner. Plus... I Have a theory that the crystal is light in a different form, much like the blue crystals which appear on us when we are damaged/wounded (they even get re absorbed as if the wound gets reversed)

[steady dagger]

i personally was associating the blue of those crystals with the darkness plants

[boreal nebula]

The origins of "Darkstone" is from old concept arts, but my pov is that we don't know yet how much of those are still relevant in game.

[steady dagger]

tbh i wish i had come in here asking about the lore way sooner that's normally what gets me hooked on a game, i probably have some wild misconceptions at this point tbh

[boreal nebula]

Yes, but, I also come to realize that blue is just a colder state of light... Sort of like spirit the first time you relive them, before you are able to "ignite" them the golden ascension color

[untold notch]

we'll do what we can

[fiery oracle]

Maybe the 'shell' of Sky kids we've been theorising about is made with dark stone, like concrete

[boreal nebula]

Don't worry , the game is so vauge that what you call misconception could just be an interesting pov for us in Lorechat

[fiery oracle]

Grinded darkstone dust and clay

[boreal nebula]

Shell of concrete/ ceramic / rock / darkstone, there are many POVs about that

Clay too, sorta like we are tiny cute golems

[steady dagger]

an interesting pov for us in Lorechat
Alright, bet. let's go!

to my eye that blue looked lighter. i'm also used to a lot of eastern media look at warm colors as good and blue colors as evil (but also insert here the paragraph i could write about how good/evil are very western concepts anyways) death isn't "evil" but it's on that side of natural forces so it makes sense for a spirit to be blue but still associated with the darkness. i assumed the darkness was what killed everyone anyways and that's how we meet them but the more we befriend the spirits they change to warmer colors

[boreal nebula]

I think that if we didn't have blue light/shades in Eden, devs should have resorted to white, creating a B&W effect... Blue gave a colder effect, but I don't see it in a bad way, it's just the dimmest light we can get ?excluding the pale white/grey in the void with the Shiny Boy in PNR)

[native shoal]

What if those are like a natural defense mechanism? Like those crystals extend to try and absorb all of the light they can from their environment, it doesn’t really work because most of the time you’re still stuck in the dark area for a while if you’re hurt but

[boreal nebula]

I think I see those red crystals more like shrinking when we get near them, and zapping us away as defensive mechanism.

Sortof like they arein pain agony and in denial of help, if we get top close they get nervous till they push us away

[steady dagger]

there's a lot of eastern influence in the design of the game, so that's why i am eyeballing the shades of warm/cool color contrasts like I am. I also can't help but look at it like that because i am hardcore into destiny lore and so i'm also low key looking at it through that lens, at least using the same knowledge of influences that I have learned over the years while playing Destiny. It still fits pretty well from what I can see. Sky's game cycle is a samsara and I get some strong indications that the warm/cool colors are very deliberate. Nature also seems to have more warm colors, while technology both with the crystals and the tone is cool in color. Even from Isle to Vault the shades go from warm to cool.

[native shoal]

I was referring to the crystals that form on the skid after you get walloped by something but that also sounds good

[steady dagger]

oh yeah i like this a lot

[earnest briar]

I would like to share an interpretation of the King’s actions that my friend and I came up with on our way to Eden when we saw the mural.

[frigid tinsel]

darkstone is a raw mineral that is mined from the earth. when given light, it can hold a charge and be used to power stuff. it's more efficient form, power diamonds, were effectively batteries for the ancestors' darkstone technology such as door mechanisms, flying boats, electrical instruments, etc. we are not sure how power diamonds were made, but we know that it required light.

perhaps production was slow at first. we know some ancestors were professional light catchers or perhaps even the lightseekers, finding or gathering stray light, possibly using some of that to make power diamonds. however, demand for darkstone technology increased and the manufacturing process had to become faster and more efficient.

solution: light creatures. butterflies were caught in jars, mantas were hunted and trapped, and other creatures met their end in refineries for their light to be made into power diamonds. possibly many species of light creatures went extinct and the ones who survived were greatly reduced in number. power diamond manufacturing produced darkness pollution. this offset the balance of light & dark in the world, though we do not know the extent of it during the ancestors era.

then the ancestors decided to create the big Eden diamond. we don't know why – was it supposed to be a grand power source, a monument to their dominance over nature & light, an artificial deity replacing Megabird? unclear. we know it was revered and that Chosen One was involved in its creation because of the new Eden mural.

unfortunately things went wrong. the Eden diamond corrupted somehow. by the final Shattering frozen memory, we know the Elders tried to intervene, however failed cos it blew up in their faces. theories differ whether the initial Eden calamity was followed by similar eruptions that Season of Shattering introduced or if there was one single eruption. but the Eden diamond began spewing out a deluge of darkness. eventually that killed all the ancestors.

[steady dagger]

the new Eden mural
not sure if i know what you are talking about here i dont go into eden often, could you show it?

[frigid tinsel]

Enhance

I had edited these for clarity but yea

[earnest briar]

We thought that the King saw the way the process of making power diamons harmed the world and decided to try and fix their mistakes by making the Eden Diamond to harness the natural wellspring of Light flowing from Eden and have an energy source that wouldn’t require trapping Light Creatures and harvesting their Light. My friend thought, ‘The King loved the Mantas.’ But something went wrong during the process. Maybe there was too much Light for the diamond to handle, and it burst, trapping the King. The King sent out a sort of alert to the Elders warning them about the Diamond using the Light they now had access to, and the Elders attempted to contain the Diamond’s power. They technically succeeded in containing most of the destruction to Eden, but it was a Pyrrhic victory as the Elders were injured to the point where they could no longer hold a presence in the physical world, becoming trapped in small pocket dimensions in their temples where their energy was strongest.

[frigid tinsel]

“Pyrrhic victory,” damn that’s a nice phrase

[earnest briar]

Eventually we meet the Elders, and thanks to the combined efforts of many Sky Kids offering Light to the Elders, they can grow strong enough to ascend to Orbit and even begin making small changes to their respective realms, which is my headcanon for how Seasonal Areas appear during a Season. The Elders pull back the clouds/repair boats/create openings to reveal said areas to us so that we can go there and help those Spirits ascend to the Light.

[untold notch]

are those pillars supposed to be the other elders?

[silver dome]

Maybe? There are six pillars and six Elders..

[slate saffron]

Happy Tsadi Tuesday !

I am hopeful to see you all here again on Wsadi Wednesday, followed by Þsadi þursday

[rustic glen]

How did this tsadi tuesday thing start? im curious xDD

[slate saffron]

In other news, here's my best attempt at putting all the images from the map at the new shrine in home together into one image (there might be some slight clipping & duplication, but overall it's alright)

[rigid iron]

I hope everyone is having another wonderful Tsadi Tuesday, I've now been three weeks haunted

[narrow marsh]

Have you watched the sky cinematic they released during switch launch?

[frigid tinsel]

Lmao I think all the regs have watched it at least a dozen time each

[native shoal]

I have yet to watch it I think

[rigid mural]

The Nintendo trailer lives rent free in my brain

[spring python]

I have so many mixed feelings about it

[keen shore]

I love green isle…

[serene geyser]

Sorry to break up the discussion, but I was shocked to see that since the 0.19.5 update, the narration of the mural at the entrance to the Isle of Dawn has been changed.
I don't know if anyone is interested, but I'll post a comparison between English and Japanese.

[earnest briar]

Interesting! Thank you, QiBao.

[rigid mural]

Oh it's finally in live ! Really cool, it's much clearer than the intros before

[keen shore]

OH IT CHANGED ALREADY? I thought it would be a bit longer before it came to live. Thank you for posting this and letting us know we can talk about it, I love this intro the most because it’s the clearest :3

[uncut pond]

The what changed

DID THEY CHANGE THE INTRO MURALS YET AGAIN ?

[keen shore]

I love the things it clears up;

All are given breath by starlight implying ancestors were born by falling to the earth like skykids maybe?

[white junco]

omg wait the changes r live?

[raw crypt]

WOAH

[keen shore]

APPAREMTLY

[white junco]

if i had a nickel for every change this update with no word from tgc i would have at least 3 nickels

[rigid mural]

That's too bad that they removed the ambiguity of "darkness came" but now we know the sky litterally went dark !

[slate saffron]

This is super interesting! I love how clear it is. I suppose that this confirms that the ancestors were fallen stars (or at the very least the first generation was). I wonder if that's what makes the distinction between the ancestors, the chosen one, & the sky kids, with the former being the first to fall, the middle being the second to fall, the the latter being the last to fall.

[waxen willow]

Since i havent played since season of rhythm im sure i missed a lot of lore..can someone tell me any important lore to the world of sky? Lol

[white junco]

they also updated bowing medalist's memories and tweaked the lower section of prairie temple

[keen shore]

I’m trying to make myself think now and failing but this new intro Is really awesome, I would love to talk about it (or watch from the sidelines until my brain boots up)

[rigid mural]

"We connected the seven realms [but] our Kingdom shattered"

Darkness dividing... maybe the kingdom shattered politically too

[white junco]

me when seven realms

[rigid mural]

Gonna check rq if the french version is updated yet or if we're still stuck with the old one.

[uncut pond]

I wish I could change the language of the game because rn I'm stuck with the Spanish ver 😔

[earnest briar]

I’m pretty sure you can in Settings?

[slate saffron]

I wonder if that confirms there are only seven realms /eliminates the possibility that there are others (atleast within the bounds of the kingdom that is)

[white junco]

you should be able to set preferred language in settings

[keen shore]

Thinks about “the first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars” and Vela’s idea that ancestors only started fearing death later on when they become disconnected from the light and knowing what would happen to them

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[uncut pond]

??? The settings have absolutely 0 options related to language, I've checked them a dozen times and there's no preferred language setting

How do the settings look in your game?

[keen shore]

I like the distinction “and then the sky went dark, and our kingdom shattered” where the first happens before the second and causes it as opposed to them being simultaneous or the second causing the first (ie diamond explosion causes the darkness to come)

[earnest briar]

If you got it stuck on Spanish somehow, then there has to be a way to change it back.

[uncut pond]

No the game literally just came installed in Spanish and there's no setting to change it

Tho maybe if I change my phone's system language it'll have some effect, I gotta try that first

[slate saffron]

Could it not be also interpreted as they hoped to return to live in the stars but couldn't or is that a separate thing that the text doesn't mean

[spring python]

The game should mimic the language of the device you’ve set on iirc

[keen shore]

What do you guys think ‘we connected the seven realms with the power of starlight’ means?

[earnest briar]

If Light Creatures also come from the stars, it could be taken in multiple ways. It could refer to Manta boats, boats powered by power diamonds which get their power from Light taken from Light Creatures, or even the Elders themselves who I’m pretty sure are fallen stars.

[uncut pond]

The Elders have been confirmed in an old stream to be the stars that fell iirc, tho it was pretty old and things might've changed since then

[keen shore]

Oooo I think the elders are the best choice! As they guide us to the next realm/open the doors for us :]
Darkstone boats as Enzan pointed out make a lot of sense too!

I would assume ancestors couldn’t normally just go from realm to realm on foot or on creatures like mantas due to clouds blocking their path, or natural formations like a ton of the temples being really high up above everything else
Darkstone boats may have helped to a more literal extent in that regard, or manta drawn boats

Darkstone being associated with connecting the realms would be really interesting here cause usually darkness is associated with isolating you

[uncut pond]

I mean, look at how the giant pipes from wasteland go from the refineries/factories to Eden, and how these same pipes are also present in Forest as well

Maybe the power of starlight refers to the light used to activate power diamonds and power the kingdoms

[slate saffron]

It could also refer to darkstone technology in general! That would make sense considering the line after is "and our kingdom shattered"

[earnest briar]

I love that idea because it adds depth to the story. Like yes the darkstone is bad but it’s used to do amazing and wonderful things and can be used for good.

[keen shore]

YEAH it provides a reason for why people would support darkstone in general, rather than just not caring about its side effects!
So far this is mostly personal headcanon or very very loose theory but I also think darkstone become super valuable right before the disaster when everything was going dark, cause they were a convenient and portable source of light. Hence why the abyss crew was gathering them

[uncut pond]

I don't think it's the stone itself that's bad but rather the impact and byproduct of its uncontrolled mass-production and the ways it's power was abused (as evidenced by the giant Eden Diamond)

[lusty merlin]

Brb gonna relive them

[keen shore]

I really like how this line can mean two different things depending on context. For the ancestors it was elders AND darkstone, for us it’s just elders
Wonder if the elders being stars could be used to give new context to the all are given breath by starlight line

[spring python]

Personally I want to bite a darkstone and eat it like food

[keen shore]

I should make a moth account rq to see if the opening cutscene has changed hold on

[uncut pond]

I operate under the idea that Elders are the embodiment of their constellation, so both the ancestors and the elders are the stars that fell, the exact same stars to be precise

[slate saffron]

I sorta think the opposite, as it would make more sense in my opinion that after the calamity & the subsequent spread of darkness that Darkstone would become more valuable with mass-production of it shutting down/being delayed & whatnot

[frigid tinsel]

They changed the intro again

[white junco]

welcome to hell

[quasi harbor]

when i saw the ss for the isle cave story i went to check my ss i took before then i realized they were all in game screenshots so the text werent there
can anyone who took ss of the story before the update plz share i tried to save mine for lore sake

[slate saffron]

On another note I wonder if the light of the first ancestors to fall would have dimmed overtime &/or over the generations as being stranded away from the stars began to take it's toll. Would those first ancestors have panicked at the loss of this light, being unable to reverse it, or would they have felt apathy at the whole ordeal, given how they believed they would one day return?

Also, if their light faded, are the elders considered as such because they fell later than the other ancestors and thus still retained much of their initial light (which could later be amplified by darkstone technology)?

[spring python]

Ngl Back in the day I thought the intro narrator was Night

[lusty merlin]

New intro

*“All are given breath by starlight.
The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars.
Together, we built a Kingdom in the clouds.
We connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.
But then the sky went dark, and our Kingdom shattered.
Many of us are still trapped in these realms.

Please, Child… Bring your light to our fallen spirits.”*

It’s interesting to me that kingdom and child are capitalized

[potent sedge]

Me personally i think that the army firing arrows was towards the krill
Maybe
And it just happened that seed got shot

[lusty merlin]

Id like to think that to but it wouldn’t explain to me why there were ancestors fighting the krill, would make sence if they were on the edge fending them off but they’re right in the crossfire

[potent sedge]

yeah i didn't think about that

[spring python]

Everyone’s given name is now Child /j

[lusty merlin]

I’ve talked about it with a few friends before but we’ve thought of the theory there were possible deserters (warriors that flee from battle or try to aginst a commanders order) some thought it was an ancestor vs ancestor with krill being a common enemy which is possible. But for me personally I’d like to imagine it was originally ancestor vs dark creature but turned into ancestor vs ancestor vs dark creature.

Like I theorized maybe a large part of the ancestors fighting got tired and started a mutiny. (Basically a rebellion that happens against soldiers in an army), heavy leaning that they don’t want to fight the dark creatures anymore and want to be free. And as a result the war became a civil war

I thought about this because I remember conscription is a thing, basiclly forces you to fight in the war and is common practice when big war’s escalates. That’s just my take though anything is possible

[slate saffron]

Assigned Child at Birth /j

[lusty merlin]

Upside and downside of ambiguous lore, I brought this up because maybe the rebels and non rebels were fighting and krill got involved, non rebels fell back because they knew krill can be very dangerous and opted to launching spears at the krills and rebels. (Intentional or not) Maybe seed of hope was apart of the possible mutiny (or not) and was trying to save the other soldiers and got caught in the crossfire.

Also funfact, in war there’s a rule called “medical neutrality” which basically means: don’t attack medical personale or locations, cuz that’s a war crime and seed of hope was clearly a feild medic soo (canonical war crimes in sky:children of the light)

Again that’s my way of interpreting it but possibilities are endless

[slate saffron]

Only counts if the kingdom of sky recognizes the Geneva Conventions

[lusty merlin]

I feel like they would have somthing similar, I don’t see them being the types to attack the injured when fighting in war

(Excluding attacking seed of hope)

[hushed steeple]

After reading Alasdair's message I wonder if the krills were created to hunt the light creatures

[earnest briar]

Actually, Krills are confirmed to be corrupted Light Creatures by Jenova Chen. How they got corrupted and what they used to look like, we don't know yet.

[hushed steeple]

Yes i just saw the older post just after i posted my thoughts but still thanks

[lucid egret]

What was the old one?

[sharp lichen]

So here’s what I think it means: All beings of light are born from the Sky/The Light. The Ancestors used to ascend freely, and built ONE kingdom of Sky. The 7 realms (Eden) were connected due to the light, but then the Eden Diamond exploded, destroying all the light and the kingdom. The Spirits are trapped, and need light to ascend.

[lusty merlin]

I donr even remember but if you look on YouTube and tap the video that’s the most recent it should’ve been the last one

[keen shore]

Hey guys, I played through the beginning of Isle all the way to Prairie’s butterfly fields (will check the other realms later) and there is some really really interesting moth exclusive text. I have transcribed it and will paste it here with short descriptions of where it appears! :3

[lusty merlin]

YYYAYAYAYA

[slate saffron]

I thought season of abyss had explained where they came from

[keen shore]

Text in italics is non-moth exclusive. Bolded text is also bolded ingame.

At last, you return to this world. Remember, Child —
your light is a gift.
*“All are given breath by starlight.
The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars.
Together, we built a Kingdom in the clouds.
We connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.
But then the sky went dark, and our Kingdom shattered.
Many of us are still trapped in these realms.

Please, Child… Bring your light to our fallen spirits.”*

What you see when you walk up to the first WL:

[camera pans over to WL]
Seek Lost Memories to gather Winged Light.
Go, Child. The Kingdom of Sky awaits your Light.
Begin by answering the temple’s call.

[rigid mural]

your light is a gift.```
> return
could it be that all moths are already reborn from lifes we haven't played ![pEyes](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/652348755361923102.webp?size=128 "pEyes")

[keen shore]

Isle of Dawn moth splash text:
Free lost spirits and follow the bell to the temple.

Candlemaker’s spirit doesn’t appear until you walk up to the first spirit gate (at the base of the rock ramp) and try to open it. Here’s the text you get for that.

Spirit Gates like this one once connected the realms of Sky.
Beyond this gate is a temple, where the Elders once shepherded spirits back to the stars.
But the Elders fell long ago.
[camera pans over to Candlemaker, who has now appeared]
Free this spirit to power the Spirit Gate and reach the temple.

[frigid tinsel]

something something skykids are reincarnated ancestors theory

[keen shore]

I don’t want to be that guy but I don’t think they were ancestors dude, i could be wrong but. I will continue posting before I flood chat

[rigid mural]

i hc that skykids have souls made from ancestor and light creature parts, a spoonful from the megabird soup

[keen shore]

I relived Stargazer & Voyager as well, but they didn’t get fancy texts. Have stargazers cutscene though it makes me giggle every time. Absolutely gobsmacked by what has just occured

[frigid tinsel]

I'm not of the reincarnated ancestors theory either but I do like the thought that skykids have bits and pieces of ancestor and light creatures, as you said. they're kids but not newborn babies

[keen shore]

the next unique stuff is when you get to prairie. Everything else I recognized as stuff that had been here before this update.
So when you enter prairie social space, you get a cutscene that zooms in on Eden and the stretch of Prairie ahead of you and it tells you some things I’ll copy paste in a second, but unfortunately this happened as well and made me laugh really hard

And that very interesting intro text is…

Across the seven realms, other Elders wait to be awakened.
Restore them all, Child, and fulfill your destiny.

[lusty merlin]

For once we get some clear exciting lore🥳

[keen shore]

After you get hit over the head with that crushing expectation because apparently ancestors see any skykid and can’t resist making them the main character, you chat with Candlemaker for a bit, who shows you what buying cosmetics and outfit shrines are.

“This spirit has a memory to share! Greet them to receive it.”

[I can only assume the memory is their hair cause they don’t give us anything else.]

“This spirit shared their look with you! Try it on at the outfit shrine.
Try on the looks you’ve learned at the Outfit Shrine!”

[note the usage of the word learned here, which I think is very interesting]

And finally, as you begin to fly through the cloud tunnel to the butterfly fields

“Fly through the clouds to find the next temple and save more spirits.”

[rigid mural]

so it confirms we aren't ripping their capes off or getting litteral haircuts

[lucid egret]

So then we don’t actually leave the traveling spirits pantsless when they visit

[keen shore]

Thank god, those jokes make me uncomfortable everytime

[lucid egret]

I find em funny but I agree

[keen shore]

Fun fact this isn’t the first time we’re referred to as returning, dawns pin poem also refers to our coming as a return thst everyone is relieved about as well!

[spring python]

“Whose white baby is that”

[spring python]

Tbh it’s understandable that spirits would dote on sky kids considering they’re sort of “responsible” for up keeping their previous home

[frigid tinsel]

"this skid is lacking melanin"

[marble lynx]

AURORA fourth quest doesn't have any teleport why?

Cause the map too broken so no teleport or the Seed of Hope being too lazy?

[native shoal]

They really just ‘Hey you, basically newborn child! Here’s some epic responsibility and plenty of pressure! Go make stuff happen!’

[marble lynx]

My adrenaline is increasing when I go to the Golden Wasteland 😦

[native shoal]

If you haven’t reached an area yet, it won’t teleport you to it

[marble lynx]

Ooh I see

[native shoal]

You gotta discover it first, I think. Unsure, by the time they added teleport I had already discovered everywhere

[keen shore]

I think they’re like that cause they’re supposed to be glowing yellow like WL but not sure

[native shoal]

Maybe they hadn’t charged up yet/j

[marble lynx]

I feel like gvjchxgchvcgcyvycfxgchchchcuf internal screaming

[native shoal]

If you’re scared, just stay out of the blue light and you’ll be ok! Krill (officially Dark Dragons) are dumb and have set paths

[empty drift]

Isn't that the same ancestors in the trailer with the skykid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxHFy9503N4

[keen shore]

yes it is! you will also notice the kid in the trailer has a chest light like us, although the ancestors do not! i am thinking the kid in stargazers memory and the one in the trailer are the same :]

[marble lynx]

It doesn't work even I go there

[native shoal]

That’s odd, I’ll check it when I get home and see if I have the same issue

[marble lynx]

Bug?

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve definitely been to the Wastelabd before and I didnt get an option to teleport

[spring python]

I’m too busy reading shoujo manga rn but I should go see the new intro

[keen shore]

Mushroom, I would advise talking in #seasons-events-chat or #general-sky-discussion instead of clogging up this channel with bug troubles, ty

[spring python]

Sky kids existing in the same time as (living) ancestors is so confusing to me but

[empty drift]

I thought it was because the ancestors have clothes that hides the light.
You can see it in the next shot with the kid wearing a green shirt.

[native shoal]

When skids collide with something when flying there’s a crisp ding sound, making me think they’re either metallic or glass-like, like ceramic, seeing as most materials sound more dull. It also makes me think they might be just a shell with light inside. Problem is they look like wax more than anything else

[pastel brook]

really?

[native shoal]

Them being wax would also work with the appearance of the skid in candlemaker’s? Memory, but ceramics might work as well. Maybe they have multiple layers?

[pastel brook]

what do YOU think?

[native shoal]

I don’t know about how hardened wax sounds when you tap it but maybe a soft inner layer of whatever they’re made of and then the tough outer layer so that they have a harder time getting hurt?

[keen shore]

the other kids in the trailer are wearing similar clothes and they don’t have lights either!

[native shoal]

The only way they seem to get hurt is either losing their light or getting walloped hard enough that I imagine it could cause cracks in the exterior layer

[marble lynx]

My conversation already done, I have complain them already in bug report for scaring me, also, nah, no one cares about me in general discussion

[empty drift]

yeah
Not to sound rude, but most of them have these shoulder cloaks. Goolging the name is a capelet.
In the game, skykids can hide their lights with capes. Maybe the film changed it to be more like a cloak than a poncho thing?

If I am wrong, then I take it back.

[marsh rivet]

psst, lorechat! slides this pic over table here's a Belle repost for your mental stability ;)

[marble lynx]

Hey

[marsh rivet]

hi shroomie you sillly goofster

[mighty heath]

In a future season, what kind of lore would you want to know more about? I want to know how the stars fell? How Sky became what it was?

[untold notch]

more elder content Please

I need more material for my blorbification beam

[cobalt palm]

Screenshots of the new dawn intro text, kindly provided by a fellow Facebook group member

[native shoal]

Does Sky have a sun?

[untold notch]

look up

[keen shore]

yes! you ca see it in the sunset sanctuary islands for example

[native shoal]

Wait a second, sunset. Nevermind I just never look up apparently

I posted that and two seconds later ‘oh right sanctuary’

[white junco]

you can also see it in the sky in realms where you can see the sky

[keen shore]

no way, Sky reference?

[untold notch]

because. you know. it's the sun.

[narrow scroll]

Any idea what the next TS is?

[pastel brook]

Hello? Is it me you're looking for? I can see it in your eyes

[untold notch]

we don't

[marble lynx]

The old one seems like the Megabird telling to sky kids, but the new intro is the spirits talking to the sky kids

[cobalt palm]

Yes it certainly feels more like it was written from the perspective of those who drew the murals

[spring python]

Man I kinda miss the old narration it was more impactful

[deep osprey]

I remember the old one before you had to light the candles
Anyways lorechat what's your interpretation of the new Aurora quest? I was really surprised they attacked krills with spears! So krills can die to spears and sharp thingies? I thought spears passed through them.

[spring python]

Or maybe I’m just attached to the old one cause I tried voice acting it BWJHDAIDB

[uncut pond]

I find it really interesting that former Imprints of the Children of Light are now called "Lost Memories" instead, and seems that now Winged Light refers exclusively to our wing power rather than the glowing golden children

[untold notch]

what was that one egg thing people mentioned about winged light it was like a passage of a text or somesuch

[uncut pond]

Also, taking all that new moth text into account, I have a theory that One came into the world and created the Eden Beam after the sky went dark, my idea is that darkness caused the Elders to lose their power to ascend ancestors, and thus One descended to create an alternative method of ascension

[frigid tinsel]

The Egg, a short story by Andy Weir

[spring python]

Wasn’t the egg one the one where everyone was one and everything was an egg

[uncut pond]

I will die on the hill that Skids are fragments of the former Eden Elder or maybe even One, since our constellation is literally the Eden Diamond

[spring python]

leaning on fragments cause there’s a ton of them

[deep osprey]

So, quest in a nutshell. (my interpretation)

Seed of Hope appears to be a medic of some sort, picking up wounded soldiers and bringing them back to base to heal them.
So she gets injured by either an arrow or a krill and the soldiers find her, pick her up, fight off the krills, and bring her back to base.

[native shoal]

There is only one skid and all of the different ones running around are a result of time weirdness/j

[uncut pond]

they*

And yes that's pretty much the Seed's memory

[deep osprey]

I was gonna use "they", but I just used "they" to refer to the soldiers and didn't want to confuse readers

[keen shore]

I’m on the cusp of believing this, it feels right for canon and it makes so much fall into place but also I’m unsure for some reason

[frigid tinsel]

Just use their name again

[uncut pond]

I'm very slightly unsure as well but also a lot of it makes too much sense for it to not be true and also it fits too well with the "failed hero's journey vs. successful community acting together" themes

[untold notch]

(slides old friend constellation being similar if not identical to the Eden constellation onto tje table)

[keen shore]

the community acting together part is actually what makes me rethink it because Is it really a community if you’re all the same person
but also thinking about community with spirits instead of skykids

[uncut pond]

They don't have to be the same person, being fragments that came from a single individual doesn't mean they're all the same, skids could still have grown into their own individual after separating from their original being

They aren't all the same, they just came from the same place

[keen shore]

sandwich…

[uncut pond]

Like, the fragments they originally came from were so small that most traces of the original individual were lost, and skids can easily become an entire different individual defined by their own experiences and memories

Like, if someone made a clone of you with your exact same DNA, would that clone not be their own individual despite being genetically identical to you?

[keen shore]

I get what you mean, I’m just talking about it on a basic level — idk how to explain it. I like the idea I want to play with it more in my head

[spring python]

YEAH also I like to think that it was a deliberate action to leave them as children and keep them quite simple little beings, because the Chosen One/King was deprived of a childhood because everyone believed they had to play this bigger role, and so now, even if they’re gone, their fragments can still experience what they missed

[uncut pond]

I've shared an idea here before that One was the legit Storm Elder themselves, but at the same time they were also a child

My idea was that Isle and Eden represent the exact same thing but from opposite perspectives
Both represent the fall of the old society and the coming of a new generation that will rebuild and continue the cycle of civilization
In Isle we're a newborn being guided by an oldperson Elder,
and thus it makes sense that in Eden, where we're literally at the end of society and our lives, the Elder would be a child that represents the new generation like we once were

[untold notch]

world's biggest sandwich

[sharp lichen]

So many names now: King, Resh, Prince, One, Chosen One, Storm Elder, all used to refer to somebody we know nothing about

[silver dome]

I don’t know if this has been talked about yet, but this season’s spirits’ memories are listened to. Since the rest of the spirits have no music(that I’m aware of) as part of reliving their memories, why do the Season of Aurora spirits have music in their memories? And how does Aurora fit into the lore…

[scenic sedge]

Lore chat
What are the names of the elders that's the most popular?
I need them for my story!

[keen shore]

Here’s all of them

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[keen shore]

I’ve wanted to talk about them more I just get so shy because others in this channel seem to get exasperated the moment they’re mentioned, which is understandable, I just have social anxiety so unfortunately it can be hard for me to push through things like that

I do have Thoughts about them it’s just hard for me to voice

[scenic sedge]

star collecters emote here
The story is coming together

[slate saffron]

we could probably consolidate them!

Prince could be replaced by Chosen One (shortened to One)
Storm elder by King
& the personal name remains

[uncut pond]

Btw the names King/Prince/Resh/Alef only keep being used because those are the names most people will recognize from concept art since it seems One/Storm has somewhat replaced that character's place in the story, but I don't think those names still apply

[earnest briar]

I propose we call the King Jimothy

[slate saffron]

But doesn't the king still exist lore-wise?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slate saffron]

Also

What is this nonsense

[rigid mural]

orb

[quick jasper]

it's siri

[slate saffron]

Apple dot com is not cannon I refuse to believe

[rigid mural]

that's so sad, aurora, play despacito

[pine bane]

what u mean nonsense, its orbrora

[slate saffron]

orb era

[untold notch]

ponder the aurororb

[pine bane]

behold the majestikkkk aurororb feasttt your eyesss

[silver dome]

[warm zenith]

Someone feels like explaining the entire story to me? (Dm it I'll read it later )

[untold notch]

lol lmao

[sharp lichen]

It seems to be similar to the Megabird, which has changed quite a bit since its concept art but still called it for ease of use.

And of course the issue of who the Chosen One is really and if the King exists

But I think King/Resh isn’t too inaccurate of a name, especially since the Vault cutscene shows that some of it still exists

Again, #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[spring python]

Gotta catch ‘em all

[round parrot]

About 30% of Lorechat crying in the corner rn

[modern orbit]

Me too pls! I'm interested but, well, new.

[keen shore]

Yeah, I just didn’t like the king title because I associate it too much with concept art interpretations that I don’t really care for, as well as possible gejder implications as well so I changed it and then a bunch of people followed after me, which makes me incredibly happy still cause it makes me feel less alone

[unreal shuttle]

I think it’s just because at the end it’s a collaboration between sky and Aurora and since Aurora it’s a singer it’s obviously to introduce hers songs, like a new mechanic similar to dreams season to relieve the memories form the skater but with a plus: the music

[sharp lichen]

I agree that King has some confusing gender implications (Ashen refers to the King as a he), but Resh is much better

[warm zenith]

Lmao

[untold notch]

only 30%?

[ebon wind]

Dont tease us please!

[keen shore]

posting this before I forget

[untold notch]

I'm teasing myself don't worry

[ebon wind]

Don't worry my discord was being slow so I thought i was replying to something else because I couldn't scroll down but now that I have said something it has decided to show me that there was in fact more to look at.

Either that or the post I replied to was removed

Or I'm hallucinating

[untold notch]

ah that happens to me sometimes

[torn eagle]

has anyone noticed and talked about the change in the isle of dawn intro sequence recently?

[grave urchin]

Hi Lore Chat! Is your sanity okay? Okay bye-

You guys really need sanity juice. Anyways go back the New Isle Intro Sequence. Get your brains hurt and get to Brainstorming and copy paste it when a new one comes. Fr good bye

[copper saffron]

wait, they changed the intro?

[soft timber]

They changed the intro?

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, discussed earlier; #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[peak pilot]

I think they are summoning her

[outer hare]

bobbitheth

[copper saffron]

oh interesting

[outer hare]

[clever socket]

I've been itching to discuss lore, would I be able to write a few paragraphs and get feedback?

[tepid veldt]

go ahead! i’m interested

[clever socket]

Okay, WARNING I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DARK THEMES and you may find this dark.

So the symbol that holds our gadgets and instruments, a circle with rays and a dot in the middle, has also been referred to as the symbol for 'sky child' in general across various glyphs through the world. The forgotten ark, when done, also shows these glyphs being collected and turned into goods for trade, like spells and fireworks, or 'magic.'

Bookmark that, and in the cave of prophecy, we see a sky child completing all the quests and returning with the 4 elements from the trials, amidst fallen natives who didn't succeed in the trials. Adult natives took these elements from the skykid, mastering 1 and teaching it, but while the world progressed the glyphs only referred to the skykid as something of a hero or figure of worship, not of actual power despite having been the source of it.

There's also a video on YouTube from Shard event meditation that shows 4 capeless skykids holding swords facing darkened skykids with red eyes.

Dark: I feel like the skykids, while sent down to do good, got taken advantage of by natives (adults, teens, no kids though). That, or the adult population decided it was worth it to sacrifice/utilize new skykids for power. We see them harvesting light in prarie, light that has yet to land, and our kid doesn't form a body until it hits the ground. The skykid symbol is also the symbol we use for 'tools,' or 'devices,' instruments and items. What if they don't have kid spirits because they've been collecting them and using them before they were 'born,' and the pnr showed a last desperate effort to get more power in the war by exposing skykids allowed to form to a syphon machine, the eye? In other words, we're saving our sacrificed kin, not the spirits we've been seeing.

[clever socket]

Would love feedback using 'reply' if you have any thoughts, heading to bed now but would love a mull over or discussion. 😄

Also, all the elders always seem entitled to just take a skykid's light. Elder cutscenes, spoilers if you haven't upended Eden gate yet https://youtu.be/AgV_q8xk54E ) Only the last one, in the vault of knowledge, seems hesitant, even ashamed. They still use it, but it's like they know what their people did, and they don't know how to fix it and it's too late already, even giving the power back doesn't fix anything. Perhaps Eden was an elder who didn't mind sacrificing formed sky children, weaponizing them while the treasure cove and 4th aurora spirit show others trying to harness krill instead. It's really got me thinking.

[round parrot]

There's also a video on YouTube from Shard event meditation that shows 4 capeless skykids holding swords facing darkened skykids with red eyes.

May I ask where you saw this? I am really interested

[clever socket]

Can I share links in here?

[round parrot]

Sure!

[clever socket]

The figures mentioned are in second half of video. The dark skykids look like us after pnr

[tepid veldt]

err..im not sure they are legitimate. the pants and cape that they wear aren’t available in the game currently
yeah myst explained it a lot better than i did

[clever socket]

This made me giggle, but only because I'm a month old in game and there's a lot of outfits lost to history to me because of that. Maybe it's an intentional point, showing clothing that isn't available to modern players.

[round parrot]

I need to be very careful with my wording here
Ok so
The Skykids in the video seem like bases for modeling an ancestor spirit, as for the red eyes, I am very unsure of, although I am interested of what becomes of it (in the future)

As for the video itself, the items of the person who made this video should not be shared beyond the Skycord beta channels, so I suggest you deleting the link to that video

[solar bane]

I just realized
the aurora 4th quest
The song is a hint on why theres probably a war of our ancestors

[round parrot]

Trees falling?
Rivers poisoning?
Omg I sense a Aurora quest lyric analy-

[clever socket]

Yeaaah, haha. It's a very similar vibe to Journey, just like how it was a similar vibe to Flower. I feel like they keep fine tuning the same goal message.

[round parrot]

I just wanted to come on here to say I love Starlight Desert and Isle of Dawn with all my Sky heart 🧡

[clever socket]

You guys ever play Flower or Journey?

[solar bane]

nope
i want to play journey but
I cant buy it

[rapid crane]

I jst finished the latest Aurora quest and I'm emo, gonna see if there's theories about it here👁️👄👁️ but overall I love it, when both the song n scene got intense , my heart was racing😭

[solar bane]

just checked the meaning of "the seed"
something about to not abuse nature for the sake of profit or power
sounds familiar doesnt it?

[round parrot]

AAAA I WANT TO MAKE AN INFOGRAPHIC WITH ALL OF THE MURAL FIGURES AND WHAT THEY ARE
SO MUCH TO DO SO LITTLE TIME

[clever socket]

YouTube is amazing... 😉 All the games, including Sky, follow the Hero's Journey format, which is reminiscent of growing up and life. There's newborn phase with a lot of room to grow but nothing really established yet (Sky's dawn), the beauty and wonder of childhood (sky's prarie), the dark and confusing or dangerous if not careful maze of teen years (sky's forest), early adulthood where you can take on the world (Sky's valley), late adulthood and seeing the dark side of life and facing fears as qualities waste away (golden wastelands), and the elderly wisdom and comfort at the end (vault).

Flower and Journey also had these, in their own way. Flower showed a world dying to pollution. Journey showed you reliving the history of your people, how they sapped the planet and created machines (their krill) to destroy one another in order to dominate. They're both stories of human folly, and warnings.

[clever socket]

So, it makes perfect sense to me that they'd start talking about war in Sky. TGC likes meaningful messages with feelings.

[clever socket]

Please do XD

[clever socket]

I wanted to make a YouTube video, hence wanting to chat about this.

SkyBatteries... XD

[round parrot]

I would if I did not have so much assignments stacked up and that I have to take pictures of each and every mural

[clever socket]

Lol, fair

[round parrot]

Also working on a crossover fic to dump all of my imagination on
My imagination is spiking out of control man 😭 idk what is wrong with it

[clever socket]

Journey was so much easier to read into, their meeting with elders was geared toward learning of the past, not about your energy being swiped to make magic happen.

[clever socket]

Oooh, congratulations! That's always an exciting time, have fun with it!

[next terrace]

Do the spirits have parents, if so what if the valley elders parents died or soemthting so thus were both kinda thrown into the role as their next in line thing i spose. Then growing up competing etc etc but if spirits dont have parents just ifnore that haha

[copper saffron]

Which crossover do u got rn?

[hushed steeple]

I think Boogie Kid and the bow spirit in Daylight Prairie are siblings. Their parent (figure) can be found in Valley. Sparkler spirit.

At least they share a spirit memory together via sparkler spirit.

[round parrot]

Sky x TLP x RotG

[sharp lichen]

Interesting that Sky doesn’t exactly follow the Hero’s Journey, but subverts it!

[copper saffron]

Rise of the Guardians! It's been a while since i saw that one..
i find it so funny i also have one with a different kind of Guardians..

you've met skye, right? skykid gets isekai'd to Destiny, where they got immortal Light-wielding Guardians who teach them how to use the Light beyond what can be done in the Sky kingdom

[mellow remnant]

I'm a newbie who plays game mostly because of the lores. Just started Sky today. Is anyone willing to explain me the basic storyline?

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

This is a basic document meant to help you get started!

More theoretical information like the King, the Chosen One, Darkstone, and Megabird isn’t included in the document. If you want to learn more, just ask here!

[mellow remnant]

Thanks a ton, let me go through it and I'll ask for more infos as I get to understand the lore. Have been playing Genshin and Honkai for long. Needed a change of Lore

[earnest briar]

Just a warning, Sky’s lore is pretty depressing.

[mellow remnant]

Used to it already. Genshin and Animes have already made me immune to depressing lores

[hushed steeple]

Megabird?

[solar bane]

may i have the documents about the king and other stuff pls 👀

[mellow remnant]

If Skykids are born from light, how can they die? Like, can light itself be killed?

Also if they can't be killed then what might the origin of WL be?

[calm sedge]

im not caught up on any lore stuff, what's the theory about the fact that the forest temple and the first krill temple area in wasteland look strikingly similar

[round parrot]

Well, they are both diamond factories, if you want more information about diamonds, you may ask them here

[quick jasper]

i saw someone say that the spears being thrown during seed of hopes quest were too big for regular spirits to throw
so does that mean Dusk was also actively involved

[round parrot]

I would say not exactly, there is a high chance that the ancestors used cannons that would hold spears and shoot them, plus, the way how all the spears would be placed away from each other makes it hard to believe that Tsadi (Dusk) would throw all of those spears (if that is what you assume)

[copper saffron]

My hc is that the Light is a skykid's life force, while their bodies are made of darkness. When their light is extinguished like in eden, the darkness inside them takes over, turning them into statues, while their soul escapes and ascends to orbit to be reborn.
So no, light cant be killed, they just die when they run out of it as it 'powers' them in a way.

We know basically nothing about wl, but theyre sometimes referred to as "imprints of the children of light"
So they might be past skykid spirits who are lending their power to you.

[mellow remnant]

Thanks for the explanation. That kinda makes sense

[round parrot]

So they might be past skykid spirits who are lending their power to you.

<.<

.>
*yoinks and runs off

[empty drift]

Collective Journey sounds cool.
So skykids are not the heroes, and there are no villians either?
Just everyone trying to live out their best lives.

Isn't there supposed to be a problem or something for the story to make sense?
Like with lion king, the first film was like the hero's journey. But the second one with Kovu and Kiara is not like that, but in the end the bad guys got the join the good guys.

[quaint storm]

I have a question about the Eye of Eden has the Eye of Eden always been dangerous and destructive or was it not like this before?

[clever socket]

Nearly every great epic and story follow the hero's journey. It's not something that is 'conquered,' or 'evolved beyond,' due to using socially divisive terms like 'feminine representation' and 'good vs. evil binary.' Just because humanity had evolved since the days when most epics using the Hero's Journey lacked these qualities, that doesn't mean that they're part of the format - they're not.

Your images are literally word fluff added to one side. The Hero's Journey is going on an adventure (game), meeting at least 1 mentor or helper (elders, experienced players), facing challenges, the revelation (abyss, death, rebirth), change in the character (our feelings completing the game), and return (reborn). Sky does this. Journey and, to an extent, Flower did this.

Anything added beyond that, like mentioning gender, good vs evil... being... online... XD These things don't matter with regard to story structure. They're not part of the Hero's Journey format. They're nice to have, yes, keep them coming. But they're not revolutionary and 'breaking the mold of the Hero's Journey.' It's a simple format for story telling, anything extra added or socially respected is a matter of personal choice that is not a part of the format. It's appreciated, but that's like saying the majesty of a peanut butter sandwich is based on the plate it's on and the room it's served in.

[spring python]

Personally I think Sky would be better off if they left it clearer that the world is like this big social hub you get to explore and the lore is there but it’s up to you rather you want to investigate it or not

[clever socket]

It would be weird if they felt the need to explicitly state that... XD Dunno about you guys, but I'm just in this channel for fun LOL, no pressure from the game I'm just curious and want to chat about it. ❤️

Minecraft: "You have our permission to not think about the lore if you don't want to!"
Millions of people: .......... "o-...kay? ... Thanks?" 😆

[glacial cypress]

In the original storyboards Eden was a sacred place where spirits went after their lives to enter the light/reincarnate. Living beings were not supposed to ever set foot there, and it was them entering and going to war in Eden that triggered the storm.. I doubt that exact explanation is still Canon, but I believe it will be similar to that

[glacial cypress]

Honestly I actually love how mysterious and buried the lore is. It gives us an extra layer to the game of examining and analyzing all these little clues that the majority of players never notice

[spring python]

By “left it clearer” I mean game structure and not a text Ingame letting you know lmao

[sharp lichen]

But in the Hero’s Journey, it simply ends when you’re reborn. In Journey (the game), you’re done when you climb the mountain.

Sky is different. Once you’re first reborn, the game entirely says that the “journey has just begun.”

One other thing about the Hero’s Journey is that it focuses on, well, a singular hero. Sky is much different, since collaboration is essentially required to finish the game.

[sharp lichen]

Why yes, black holes can destroy light! In the concept art, Eden was more like a black hole, so some things may have carried over

[sharp lichen]

In the Switch Trailer, it shows in the distance the Eye of Eden as just a barren mountain with a beam of light pointing towards space. So it is safe to assume that Eden was not always dangerous!

[untold notch]

when you simplify it like this much a lot more stuff fits under it than usual

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message Has some info about the King!

[clever socket]

In Journey, you're alsi reborn at the end, and depending on how well you did you could discover herself wearing an advanced cape that let other players know you're experienced, or at least different from the initiate robes.

And yes, Sky does a loop. That loop is you growing as a player and character on the hero's journey story. Just because you read the same book twice and get more insight the second time through doesn't mean it doesn't follow the hero's journey format. Same with a game. Replayability does not affect the story format.

[sharp lichen]

I still think, because there’s no real evil/villain force in Sky, the Hero’s Journey can’t apply that well.

[untold notch]

sometimes a show don't tell approach to lore is good but there needs to be a balance of showing and telling otherwise there won't be anything to anchor off of I think

[lusty merlin]

Hey can you delete this, reposting somebody’s art isint allowed on the server, og artist is @aagent-4 on Tumblr

[slate saffron]

AH SORRY I'll delete

[clever socket]

Collaboration happens on the hero's journey as well. That's the mentor/helper. And, strictly speaking, you can play from start to finish 100% solo.

There doesn't need to be a 'bad guy,' either. There can be a dire need and no villains doing things 'just to be evil' (Princess Mononoke, Nausicaä, Breaking Bad), there can be the need to personally grow as a person (Goodwill Hunting, Howl's Moving Castle, Spirited Away), all sorts of motives exist. That's why the hero's journey says 'revelation,' not triumph or victory, meaning you can still follow the format even if your character dies.

[sharp lichen]

And in most Hero’s Journeys, the mentor has limited use and dies early in the story. Meanwhile, Sky’s mentors are always useful and normally never loses relevance.

I haven’t watched those media you referenced, but putting ALL film, TV, and games into the Hero’s Journey seems like a gross oversimplification.

[clever socket]

Most people's favorite or 'most moving' legend/book/tv show/movie follows this format. Mine growing up was Disney's Beauty and the Beast. Pick yours, and answer these questions to yourself:
1: Is your character established in a place of comfort? (Home, work, somewhere expectable that doesn't make them panic)
2: Does something happen to call them out of that place/mindset?
3: Do they encounter challenges that they have to address in order to move on?
4: Do they grow and develop as a person/character in this time?
5: Is there a 'big event,' the climax of the story?
6: Does your character have the opportunity to return to their starting point, even though they've changed (not applicable for character death).

[clever socket]

Sky's mentors are all already dead... XD And it is a simple story format. That's the point I'm trying to make.

[sharp lichen]

Sky’s mentors are the veteran Skykids, not the Ancestor Elders.

[clever socket]

SkyVets are helpers. Peers. They're not a required part of playing Sky. A nice part, yes, but you're not forced to see a skykid to progress to the next chapter, for example.

Also, we don't have to agree on the end, LOL, I'm just enjoying the debate

Like, Gandolf was a mentor, and Sam was a helper to Frodo, for example. With his strength and knowledge, Gandolf had a lot more control over how things panned out and how the story went compared to Sam.

They're both integral to the story, just to different degrees.

[empty drift]

I kinda agree with Baudshaw.
Whenever I got lost a player would help. When a door needed more players, sometimes other players would help, or just ignore us.
They game told me how to move, fly and find spirits, but it did not tell me where the season spirits are, what the seasons were about and the rest of the story veterans learned.

It is fun making friends that can help with the game. But am confused why the game makes other players help newbies like that.
Like what happens if there are no veterans?

[sharp lichen]

In the beginning of Sky, it was like that. There were only new people! The players that had tiny amounts of new knowledge were the “mentors” in this case.

[clever socket]

These things are side missions, though. The main, raw story of Sky is to pass through each map section and go through the ending. Some people do this with minimal spirits and wls, some are loot goblins like me and shove their nose into every nook they can find before moving on. That's a difference in okay style, though. I'm just talking about the bare bones of the game, not the pretty fluffy bits, LOL.

[sharp lichen]

Even still, things like the Eden door and the Vault of Knowledge can only be accessed with more than one person.

[empty drift]

Wasn't there also devs in the game back then too?
Most new games would have devs or friends of the devs play the game and what they shared might have helped players back then share the knowledge to others.

[clever socket]

You can solo open the Eden gate, I do it all the time.

[sharp lichen]

Beforehand, it was mandatory that 5 people opened the Eden gate at once.

[clever socket]

That does sound like something TGC would do... XD

[empty drift]

Swimming sounds kinda important though.
But sure, if we meet a skykid that never made friends, and did a bunch of stuff in the game. They would probably miss out on getting help from other players.

[empty drift]

Glad that was changed.
Eden is tough, but not that tough.
Would be cool tho if there was something skykids can do as a group.

In Eden, dudes

[sharp lichen]

I was a solo-ish player at first, and I thought that each social area had its own tables for free! I never knew that you had to buy and place them.

[clever socket]

Yeah, they can miss out on a lot. My first time through the story didn't include the sanctuary islands, let alone the entire game mechanic of swimming. I still, however, went on the Hero's Journey and 'played through' Sky. Did I find everything first go? Absolutely not. 🤣 That's why the real journey starts after you finish the drive to 'complete' the game to the end. There's more to find and do, and that's great, BUT, it's also all extra and not mandatory to reach the end.

[sharp lichen]

Sky has elements of the Hero’s Journey, yes, but it subverts the more unbelievable aspects to make something more realistic. The Sky’s collaborative journey is much closer to the real human story than the hero’s journey.

[spring python]

Following the hero’s journey doesn’t automatically make a movie trash btw

[empty drift]

ohh.
You are right. (WackyJaci's message)

The seasons are like DLCs. But the main game depends on them too.
Almost like the skykids doing seasons are like a prologue then?

[clever socket]

That would be so nice though... All the friends, haha. Friends overall were too expensive for me my first two weeks.

[clever socket]

I feel like our perceptions of what the hero's journey is don't match up. Mind explaining to me the 'unbelievable aspects' so I can respond constructively? 😄

[clever socket]

I'm only a month old in this game. The way I see it is, there's a lot of optional game content that I'll never be able to get the full/ original experience of. Past seasons don't mean anything to me. The season of Aurora is fun, but is very clearly optional despite giving lore. So, a prequel or sequel POV could be a good approach?

But yeah, this whole debate is happening with me being like "hey, fresh moth vibes here, how you vets doing, wanna chat lore?" XD I don't have as much time invested to the social side of the game, and didn't need to in order to play it.

[untold notch]

1. no you literally wake up in a thunderstorm alone in the dark
2. N/A, requires 1 to be yes
3. yes
4. ???
5. unsure
6. unsure

[clever socket]

Oooh, which one is this? 😄

[untold notch]

sky lmao

[clever socket]

Ooh, LOL, here's my take on it:
1: Is your character established in a place of comfort? It's not immediately comfortable, no, but there's no danger and becomes comfortable fast.
2: Does something happen to call them out of that place/mindset? Yeah, what else is there to find, I wanna play and have fun, gimme, let's go!
3: Do they encounter challenges that they have to address in order to move on? OMG WHY does this cliff keep hitting my face and how do I feet?! And where am I? HELLO?! How do I get stronger? What do I do? OMG WHAT IS THAT THING?! runs screaming
4: Do they grow and develop as a person/character in this time? Yes, I've gotten a lot of wing lights, my map shrines are complete, and I'm enjoying helping others with scary parts or doing crs!
5: Is there a 'big event,' the climax of the story? Bruh, I freakin' died, and it was totally worth it...
6: Does your character have the opportunity to return to their starting point, even though they've changed (not applicable for character death). Despite dying, yes! It's literally called Home. 😄

[sharp lichen]

The idea that a singular hero can rise up and save everything, mainly. That thought process does not work in Sky.

@clever socket The seasons have A LOT of lore in the game. And you can revisit them in full! The past seasonal quests are still available; experiencing them late will still give you all the lore.

[empty drift]

Got it.
And my bad.

[clever socket]

I forgot to 'reply' @untold notch sorry!

[untold notch]

"it's not immediately comfortable" so the answer is no, even if that goes away quickly

[clever socket]

The lore, yes, LOL. I'll probably never be able to bond with vets on certain experiences, though, like watching everyone in the community wearing different aspects from The Little Prince. It's just a different experience, and that's okay.

[clever socket]

Lol, it's a jarring start approach. But the map itself is designed to be comfortable, yes. Doesn't mean I opened the game immediately expecting everything that happened, or seeing the cliff as safe to jump down while the game taught me the mechanics. 😄

[sharp lichen]

But you have different bonding experiences, like the AURORA concert. It sounds so cool to experience that when you’re new.

[clever socket]

Yes. It's promptly followed by vets asking "what other seasons have you played?" or giving an incredulous statement like "you're an Aurora/Shatter moth?" There's a boundary of experience. A small boundary, but it's part of making acquaintances in the game, finding common grounds to be able to enthuse about.

[sharp lichen]

That sounds like a vet problem honestly, most Sky vets are like that

This conversation has derailed a bit from lore, though! Mind moving to #cozy-sky-discussion?

[clever socket]

It gives the impression a bit that you're being felt out for dedication in the game based on play time, and that you may not be worth bonding with if you're really new, due to vets experiencing friends leaving

[untold notch]

incredulous?

[clever socket]

I have double stars on cape, aiming to start the triple, and know the wl and most candle locations and run eden. It seemed to surprise some that I was only 2-3 weeks old when that started

[untold notch]

ok no yeah that makes sense that is. a much faster start than most moths

[white junco]

i keep meeting shattering moths with capes i unlocked last week & it throws me off (not in a bad way)

[quick jasper]

listen, shattering gave us moths the opportunity to save up if we didn't like the cosmetics

[clever socket]

Moth: "Big, shaky crystal... must lick."

Learning the game alongside shattering has been an often traumatic experience... XD

[quick jasper]

I'm emotionally attached to void of shattering, shaky diamond where

hey at least i got good at dodging

[frigid tinsel]

Shattering moths are built different

[clever socket]

You can dodge..? XD
The crystal crabs, though.... The game gave us a mechanic, then revoked it... halp 🤣

[quick jasper]

i have jumped over many red crabs. only lost wl once in a red shard at grandma's place

[clever socket]

Nice, well done. I went dark at treehouse (first event for me) and forgotten ark

[frigid tinsel]

Btw you can still dodge crabs by doing a quick jump out of the way. Idk what you mean by “revoking” that mechanic.

[clever socket]

Honking = flipped crab, haha
My coping skill became null and void, many tears XD
In fact the evil things chase you if you try it

[frigid tinsel]

You could never flip shard crabs. They’re not the same as regular crabs, that’s the point. Deep calling attracts them.
Also please do not ping me when you reply.

[native shoal]

When a crab is going after me I just run to the side out of the collision path, they don’t change direction once they make the angry crab noise

[quick jasper]

( making this lore related somehow )
i have my hc that I've mentioned before here where moths from certain seasons have some skills different from others, only really works with abyss because swimming but still
shattering moths better at dodging real

[clever socket]

Yeah, learned the hard way they can't be flipped and instead chase, LOL, was the point of the joke.

[native shoal]

You can apply it to skills that wouldn’t really be in the gameplay but would probably exist in universe?

[clever socket]

Would still love feedback on this lore concept, if anyone's game.

[tepid veldt]

shattering moths do be parkouring
i wrote that and asked myself how do those relate
also i love that hc and im stealing it

[clever socket]

What's hc?

[native shoal]

Headcanon

And your idea is good, however I’m uncertain of how the timeline fits into what we know of the game

[clever socket]

Mind explaining or referencing how? is still learning

[spring python]

shattering moths are yet to see a guide doing the yay emote and i feel bad for them

[clever socket]

What's the yay emote? 👀

[spring python]

when you retrieve seasonal quests and the guide shakes, if it was a spirit guide theyd be doing an emote

[clever socket]

Ooh

[quick jasper]

hoping for a spirit guide next season we get shapes

[spring python]

Still waiting for a chibi guide

[tepid veldt]

doesnt that means they died young
unwaiting for a chibi guide

[spring python]

I die young every week, they can deal with it

[clever socket]

Eden as chibi is DIFFICULT...

"Eden isn't about parkour."
puts on chibi mask "On second thought..."

[quick jasper]

bold of you to assume i do eden the normal way chibi is best to stop getting hit by so many rocks
tall looks cool, but dang have i gotten many hits to the head because of it

[spring python]

Yeah but I gotta be wearing Anubis so if I bump by some moth I look extra cool

[frigid tinsel]

Someone suggests the “adults/spirits are using the (sky)kids for their power” thing every once in a while and I have to say the same thing I say every time this is brought it: this is very unlikely and thematically inappropriate for Sky.

Sky is about community, mutual cooperation, healing, and friendship. There being a secret ulterior plot of the very spirits we are saving really seek out to hurt us doesn’t make sense when everything in the game indicates that the spirits are grateful for skykids saving from them darkness, giving gifts in the form of cosmetics. Skykids can also receive blessings from Elders, again as thanks for saving their people or a sign of friendship. There is nothing in the game to show that the ancestors and Elders mean skykids harm.

The murals of the skychild you’re probably referring to, the ones in the Cave of Prophecies I presume, depicts Chosen One completing the Trials, the only skykid during the ancestor era who likewise led the ancestors after their success. Chosen One isn’t us. Outside the Cave of Prophecies, those are general light symbols, though it’s still unclear what the mural depicts. Possibly light offerings to the Elders.

Also if your only other proof of this concept is a YouTube video you can’t link cos it’s fanmade or leaked content, then that’s not great evidence either.

Sky is about love and friendship and growth. Some ulterior plot where the skykids are the victims of adults abusing us does not fit the game.

[clever socket]

I do when I go off route to save others, LOL. So many people path to the right when doing rocks just before the pipe tower, the left side is so much more stress free 😂

[ebon hedge]

Hey lore masters could I get some input on how to handle a sketch I've got going? I'm drawing the Elders in the shape of the Eden Gate and i'm going back and forth on if I include the Dawn Elder cause lore
#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message

[spring python]

Spirits 100% dote on sky kids how could you not

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a theory that Dawn Elder is represented by the gate itself. Make of that as you will.

The Eden gate symbol is also in front of Dawn’s temple.

[ebon hedge]

oh my god i never noticed that :0

[keen shore]

@white junco LOOK YOU HAVE A NAME TWIN

[rigid mural]

Not sure if it's the right channel but I like your art and got a soft spot for sky art, so I will suggest this: crouching to be at the moth's eye level to offer a flame, being the first elder to welcome you to the world. It would make sense for them to be the closest to the moth on the last realm !

[ebon hedge]

oh my god its the same shape as the staff innit

[white junco]

omg hiiii

[tepid veldt]

the spadeth have doubled

[native shoal]

Spade squared

[spring python]

Help I thought ey just changed pfps 💀