lore-discussion-spoilers

[keen shore]

I’m evil hope this helps

[rancid cape]

thats it lmao

[keen shore]

skykids are made of clay yes! or a similar hard material, stone, charcoal, or meteorites are also suggestions I have seen.
The light within them animates them! hence why they freeze in place & petrify when it goes out completely in Eden. Light in this world seems to be synonymous with life in the sense that it’s what holds & creates it, hence why it animates us. Do you know about Megabird?

[rancid cape]

nope, elaborate please.

[tepid veldt]

every time i think about the freezing and petrify thing i only want to write more angst
this is bad

[tepid veldt]

yeah that explains a lot
do you plot with vela often

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message here’s a message that explains Megabird better than I could! They have a heavy connection to us & may be the one who granted us our light in the first place, and is either a consequence or the cause of light=life (likely the second, but it can be a chicken or egg question if you let it be)

[tepid veldt]

i looked up how many times lorechat has said megabird to try and get a good summary and

[keen shore]

:3

[tepid veldt]

:]

[rancid cape]

i see

so then is the concept of space a cannon thing in sky? ik it kinda sounds dumb but i wanna make sure of it.

[keen shore]

Gato, I am also glad you were talking about the technology in Sky & how it relates to flight. while skykids themselves don’t seem to have invented anything, the ancestor spirits relied on technology to fly heavily, such as the flying boats you see scattered throughout the realms & the floating platforms in Vault. If you want I can explain how those work!

[keen shore]

i see no reason why it wouldn’t be! especially given the heavy references to constellations & stars throughout the game, space seems to have a major influence on how Sky works as a whole.

[tepid veldt]

i know office isnt canon but im just thinking about if you wandered for long enough in orbit would you come across the space station

[rancid cape]

I would love to hear how it works please explain.

[keen shore]

So embedded within the sides of the flying boats you can see these blue diamond crystals, right? You can also see them in doors & mechanisms and whatnot; they’re what you touch with your candle to make things work.

These are called darkstone, and an inherent property of them seems to be some sort of gravity manipulation (although we aren’t sure yet why) that allows things it’s attached to to float or move easily, even if they’d be heavy to the point of being impossible to move otherwise

[rancid cape]

oooh

[untold notch]

I mean orbit has a floor or so it seems but the space station area doesn't

[tepid veldt]

is darkstone only related to movement? tbh the more i think abt it the more i realize we mainly use it to auto push doors

[keen shore]

movement, hovering things [although these can kinda be in the same category], starting off things like fireworks in the coliseum, projecting & holding images such as memory lanterns, etc

basically, light but super super concentrated

[rancid cape]

i have so many more questions but they all probably have a easy answer.

[untold notch]

ask away!

[rancid cape]

so starting with my friends question that they just asked, what if skykids are blind? i have a screenshot as to why this may be.

[keen shore]

they are probably not blind! as blind people irl don’t work like that. they like to touch thigs bc they’re kids :]

[rancid cape]

alright on to another question, how would they have managed teleportation?

skykids are able to teleport to a friend, but how? i've always wondered how it would work within the world of sky. it could just not be teleportation but thats just how i see it.

i've seen the word warp being used

[untold notch]

it might just be Game Mechanic

[rancid cape]

aw man :(

[round parrot]

||I kind of want to make warping a part of my OC abilities, but I am not sure how to explain it||

[sharp lichen]

Meditation allows us to semi-teleport to other places

[compact shale]

They shrink into their star, and shoot up to wherever they need to go

[round parrot]

YES THAT ONE

[round parrot]

Oh yeah, I really didn't think about that 💀

[tepid veldt]

calm your mind enough to yeet yourself 20 feet away

[keen copper]

Just run really fast and hope no one sees it

[round parrot]

"Speed of light" makes so much sense now

[copper saffron]

My skykid unlocks warp and then can kinda just do it. Could just say its Light magic lmao

[frozen pivot]

[potent sedge]

you know me and my dad wonder why there's an eclipse in eden

[round parrot]

Lore question: If light soup is inside a Skykid (whose shell is probably made out of clay), do you guys think Megabird's basement if full of Skykids who don't have light soup in them /ref Skykids exist without light soup? Like maybe a hollow body?

[potent sedge]

hmmm

[frigid tinsel]

No cos they’d be dead

[round parrot]

Yeah, I know they are dead, it do the bodies still exist? It was almost as if the light soup of the body was sucked out or said soup never returned to the body

[gleaming fog]

Wait skykids have soup inside? Thought it was just wax (I guess it’s still technically called “light” though), do we ever “drip” liquid out in a way that isn’t an emote?

[round parrot]

Nah, I just say light soup as the equivalent for the souls of Skykids

[gleaming fog]

Gotcha, like the blue thing that we become at the end of Eden/that spirits turn into once they’re relived?

[lyric isle]

hibye! I am still in this server, just much more comfortable in smaller ones - here makes me really nervous is all
but I do want to still drop by time to time! will see you then

[pastel brook]

Nice one!

[wild iron]

Okay so why does Eden only have 63 statues? Where is the 64th? Is it us or did someone steal the 64th statue to do something else? Or is there a 64th statue burried underwater faar ahead that nobody has been able to rescue yet.

[wild iron]

Skykids have telekenisis so they are capable of magic.

Skykids may unlock warp with people they form a good bond with (similar to have we as players need to build the friendship tree)

[torn eagle]

||little prince 64th statue during season of the little prince||

[wild iron]

insert Stranger things intro music

[marble lynx]

Wow
In my sky ficverse, the Void of Shattering found someone else to be Shattering Guide as they got bad reputation

[low spindle]

DANG void really said, ‘it’s your problem now’

[marble lynx]

Void: "I can't handle this, you do it!!"
My OC: "Why me? I'm not ready..."
Void: "JUST DO IT!!!!!!"

[low spindle]

Then void went to go have a party with little prince and performance in my au

Except I’m lovey imagining the trio in don’t hug me I’m scared rn so,, less of a party more nightmarey lol

[marble lynx]

Idk why but the Void has spikey body attached in my ficverse

[low spindle]

Oh?? I imagine shattering guide can either grow stick legs and arms, turn into a humanoid king form (kinda imagine they are connected somehow), or big shape shifting monster form lol

[marble lynx]

Yea, nightmare fuel

Sky kid: why the Void is still floating at home?

My OC: oh damnit I forgot to put their head away

[low spindle]

LOL

[round parrot]

This but replace the trash bag with the void of shattering

What do you guys think light itself as a weapon is like? ||Like how well does it slice through enemies|| Like what are the effects of using light in combat?

[tepid veldt]

i dont have a photo of the void of shattering

this is extremely cursed

[boreal nebula]

I haven't lurked in here for a long time, I wonder if this was spotted sooner

Pictures from inside last Quest Memory Void

[marble lynx]

Asked my friend to draw what the Void of Shattering looks like in my ficverse, well they don't have legs!!

But they have a removable head

[round parrot]

Can I know more about Void of Shattering with a body? I would love to learn more

[marble lynx]

Well that's a mystery

[round parrot]

man

[marble lynx]

Hmm...their body is made from the void, but it isn't an entity

[boreal nebula]

Tiny diamond inside the big one

And it was there too

I hoped to find the King/Prince in there, but I guess the giant head looming from above had a great surprise effect

Plus, there once was theory about the head of the King being the Eden Castle

Which now seems fitting with that giant king "mask" + crown pushed up there by the explosion

[runic patrol]

I like to think of the little diamond inside the shattering guide as some sort of core that allows it to differentiate from the other "crystals/rocks" – iirc, it does have healing properties alike most guides, while only the power diamonds also have that property (slightly). but the shattering guide is no power diamond, they look closer to being a red rock or shard at most points apart from when they're blue. this also means it'd be improbable for the guide to be a shard. so they're a different type of crystal/rock entirely (this also disqualifies normal sky landscape rocks and the black-rock-rain)

[dim flax]

oh wow i literally just saw the final memory in detail since i was in a hurry on the final day to just finish it i was thinking it was a giant sword since it was super tiny in comparison

[unreal basin]

[round parrot]

I LOVE IT THANKS VELA 💞 💖

[compact shale]

they sure don't skip leg day

[untold notch]

I mean what else can they do

[round parrot]

Well, yeah, it's not like destroying the entire kingdom is on their priority list

[slate saffron]

I will write the anti-skybot Bible

[distant turtle]

It’s something they call being “united in the stars”

[orchid jolt]

probably caused by a weird bug in the game's code, but heres a link to a message i sent in #screenshots-and-videos :
#screenshots-and-videos message

[eternal totem]

Yeah that happened to me before too, not sure how or why it happens

[orchid jolt]

weird

[orchid jolt]

relatively recently?

[white junco]

oh that happened to me recently too

[eternal totem]

Yeah, a couple of weeks ago

[sinful cobalt]

Wow this is very cool, but now we can't visit this place anymore, right?

[frigid tinsel]

no, red shards still fall and currently the frozen memory is the one of the Elders

[sinful cobalt]

The final shard nodes task memories? The one many giant elder floating around giant red stone?

[frigid tinsel]

yes, that one. today's red shard lands in the Village of Dreams. go there at the right time, clear the shard, and meditate in front of the Void of Shattering to enter the memory

[sinful cobalt]

Ooo thanks 👍 , I was hoping able visit back the krill and giant megalodon memories. 😭

[frigid tinsel]

devs have said that there will be a way to travel to other memories. I believe that the memories will change every week but nothing has been confirmed.

btw you don't need to ping/reply to me, especially if we're the only two active in the channel

[sinful cobalt]

Ah sorry , just habit to do this in other server lol. Okkk thanks bro

[torn eagle]

we speculate it hasnt been added yet... the function to revisit past memories I mean

[static vessel]

i have come here to discuss lore

[round parrot]

That actually happened before I did my most recent Eden run

[sharp lichen]

Then do so! What lore questions/theories do you have?

[tepid veldt]

fall in to the loretrap

[south oracle]

It's a Pandora's box

[round parrot]

If Lorechat had a slogan, it would be "Lorechat, Loretrap"

[round parrot]

How do Elder Masks fit into the lore? ||(Need to know because it is very important in my OC lore)||

[keen shore]

They’re probably shield blessings we get from the elders in question to help protect us from the darkness! I think they are very sweet

[rigid mural]

I like to think that with all the light gifts they got, they now have the power to protect us !

[flint bolt]

Now that I think about it, the Vault of Knowledge isn't a very good Vault.

[frigid tinsel]

Elaborate?

[flint bolt]

There is no Knowledge in the Vault, everyone inside is dead, the entrance to the place is just open to anyone, and even if we could see the knowledge, it's probably written in a language we don't understand.

I'm calling it "Of" now because there is no Vault or Knowledge.

[keen shore]

there is in fact knowledge in the vault! we just can’t access it currently [or we can, it’s just not shown in game].
also, it is not in fact open to anyone — Dusk had to open it for us, hence the giant darkstone mechanism we had to unlock to get inside their temple, and then awaken them to let us in.

so yes, there is both a vault, & there is very much knowledge!

[flint bolt]

okie

[keen shore]

the ancestors even recorded the knowledge vault is meant to contain within memory lanterns [those lanterns you see with darkstone inside] so that it could be accessed even by people who didn’t know how to read their language, possibly because they anticipated we were coming.
unfortunately, they seem to have assumed the lanterns would be usable a lot longer than they actually were.

[tepid veldt]

darkstones’ fuses short circuited and skykids dont know how to fix them

[keen shore]

honestly, they’re probably still usable, we just don’t know how to operate them. unless in extreme cases where it explodes from the inside out [ie the Eden diamond], which doesn’t seem to be the case with memory lanterns, darkstone doesn’t really seem to break down/fall apart. we can still use it throughout the kingdom despite however long it might have been.

i really like Birdlem’s idea that you have to use your inner light to open them like puzzles, & we just haven’t figured out yet

[round parrot]

I just thought of this: There is so much wreckage in front of the GW temple, perhaps a war happened against people who want to break into Vault?

[tepid veldt]

ohh we were talking about this awhile ago! someone noticed a giant wall behind wasteland temple and it lead to somewhere around this topic, lemme see if i can find it

[keen shore]

i think I know what the GW war was & how it went down, based somewhat on the elder realm theory & elder mask theories

[tepid veldt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message right here!

[round parrot]

Another thing I realized: The platform the Winged Light was standing on, looks like it could open to get inside the tower, plus there are two diamonds on each side to probably indicate that this can open

[keen shore]

Running and very loose theory: war between Sunset and Dusk caused by Dusk getting corrupted. Sunset wins & severely injures Dusk in the process

Evidence so far:

• Elder mask spirit in Valley is proud victor [the other two mask spirits are wasteland war masks! I can prove this]. while elder mask spirit in Wasteland is fainting warrior, who dies in their memory
• entirety of the two shields theory can back this up to be honest
• wasteland being filled with corruption and dead [would the analogy of this be Dusk getting corrupted? Probably, right?] & valley is quite literally called valley of triumph
• Dusk’s obvious wound, mirrored by a crack on their elder statue & by fainting warrior, their mask spirit
• theme song for first area of wasteland is titled “two heroes”, with sunset being two elders (or one. or both!)
• & statues of sunset being around the doors to the refinery, statues which are also present on gloats island [elder caricature theory] & I believe the coliseum as well, proving their connection to sunset

[tepid veldt]

i LOVE that im stealing this

[sharp lichen]

Does Skycord not exist to a non-English speaker?

[round parrot]

But what does Sunset want in the Vault? I mean, they could want diamonds, but I doubt that there are very few diamond batteries around the kingdom

[keen shore]

My concept of the war isn’t about vault at all [although since the main evidence of there even being a war is around the entrance to vault it could be Sunset trying to free it.] it’s abt stopping Dusk as they were corrupted

[white junco]

you could also say that corrupted dusk was intentionally blocking the way to eden through vault and disrupting the rebirth cycle

[tepid veldt]

is the elder mask theory, like, the spirit that has the walmart version of the elder mask reflects the realm’s condition?
if so, how does rejecting voyager reflect isle? (i dunno why im so focused on this matchup specifically )

[keen shore]

The elder mask theory is that the spirits with each elders mask:
[Rejecting voyager, exhausted dock worker, apologetic lumberjack, proud victor, fainting warrior, & levitating adept]

Reflects how the elders saw themselves, or them being depicted in a ‘positive’ light, vs how they were seen by other people or negatively [tlp spirits].

Rejecting voyager & Dawn would be the theme of trying to preserve the past so that it doesn’t get destroyed, rejecting attempts to destroy it for the sake of progress, as voyagers memory shows them telling a miner not to dig beneath Dawn’s temple.

[frigid tinsel]

it's also possible there were other reasons for Sunset to attack Dusk, such as discord between the Elders that were further aggravated by the war

[keen shore]

That is possible! I think that discord between them, vanishing in the face of disaster, is my favorite interpretation of the ‘unseen fractures crumble in the chasm’ elder poem line, although from my perspective the war was more a cause of than the result of it. I feel like it being mostly a fight to keep the ancestors in question safe fits Sunsets characfer from my view :3c

[flint bolt]

okie

[sharp lichen]

What I meant is that things still exist even if you can’t read them

[flint bolt]

oh, okie

[rigid mural]

What if skykids (and maybe ancestors) grew up by being acquainted with the world ?

We could be stuck as kids because the world is mostly unreachable and we gotta piece lore together because it's post-apocalyptic, the world is big and scary and we're new and confused.

But ancestors in their living days ? They had flying boats, they could travel the world and see things to grow up by gaining experience and being less scared by being acquainted with it. It also thematically follows the light = movement idea, I'm sure even soldiers were sent to train in different places to grow strong. Or scholars would regularly go on excursions outside their libraries for field studies.

This could explain:
-> ancestors could have moved around a lot in the past to follow light migrations
-> why we can't grow up (yet)
-> why the elders seem to guard gates (rites of passage as your horizons expand)

[keen shore]

Oooooo I do like this idea (although I personally prefer a more human like aging scale)… wondering if everyone in vault is older not because they’ve seen things themselves but because they’ve studied them so deeply

[pine bane]

sorry im kinda lost, Sunset is represent by which Elder...?

[frigid tinsel]

The time-of-day names seem to be how the devs refer to the Elders:
Dawn — Isle Elder
Day — Prairie Elder
Rain — Forest Elder
Sunset — Valley Elder(s)
Dusk — Wasteland Elder
Night — Vault Elder

[untold notch]

rain is my favorite time of day personally

[round parrot]

I headcanon that mantas being patted are like dogs being patted (they sniff your hand)

[potent sedge]

i love this theory omg

also why can't i react to your theories because THEY'RE SO GOOD HELP

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think the time of day names were given based on when the Elders' stars fell. Dawn fell at dawn, Night fell at night, etc. so perhaps Rain fell during a rainstorm, which can obscure the time of day, so they were decreed Rain

[white junco]

i love the time of day names sm they’re like. warm idk how to describe it

[keen shore]

THEURE MU FAVORITE TOO I’m weird in that I feel awkward calling people by their true names if they have a title [like, if It’s not my only option] and that’s why it’s taken me so long to use them funnfact. I habe gotten myself into them

[frigid tinsel]

post relevant fic excerpts

[keen shore]

frnedh behavior…

[pastel brook]

yes!

[white junco]

sometimes i feel a little odd using the hebrew concept names 4 the elders bc in my ficverse those r more personal names and do i really know dusk well enough to call them tsadi? probably not

[frigid tinsel]

I know they're prob not canon but just the time of day names feel so down-to-earth. the titles like Forest Elder, Vault Elder feel like, well, titles and for Wasteland Elder it almost feels insulting, just their realm is a wasteland, damn. I know devs have said that those are their names but it still doesn't quite feel that way. if you wanted to get personal with them, if you felt that close with them, you'd be allowed to address the Elders by the names that are so tied to their birth, their arrival to this world they are so tied to and responsible for.

like in my ficverse, so few skykids know the Elders' time-of-day names because there are so few skykids the Elders feel that so personal bond to.

[pastel brook]

I hear you but..do you think it's true?!

[white junco]

skybots a little loud today

[untold notch]

skybot has been more active lately

[frigid tinsel]

anyways, I do imagine that the ancestors addressed the Elders with the time-of-day monikers cos that's how they were known, but still as titles – Day Elder, Dusk Elder, Sunset Elder(s) – out of respect for their position. again, few ancestors were close enough to refer to the Elders as simply Day or Dusk or Sunset. granted, there are times when such reverence and formalities can be cast aside, but it's the distinction in social norms that one should be addressed as Mr. Chen or Chen or Jenova.

(do not ask me why I used the founder of TGC for this example, idk either)

skykids only address them as [Realm] Elders cos that is the only way they have known the Elders, like the nicknames they likely give the spirits that we know them by.

[hollow hatch]

has the ancestors ever alive? why do they rule the Sky Kingdom's realms? WHAT ARE THEY?

[hollow sun]

skybot is always sassy

[copper saffron]

they used to be alive

[shrewd mango]

I just thought of this, idk if anyone else thought of this concept but might aswell share it :' )

In the animation trailer it showed a group of children running along the vehicle thingy and they didn't have a light on their chest while alef (aka the first skykid) has it.

Do you guys think its possible that " stars " and " children of the light" are two different beings?

Like the "stars" could be those children running along could the the "mortal" version of us "lights"?

Because not even the elders seem to be able to rebirth like us? When we know that they're supposed to be more powerful than us?

Since what i said is a bit messy, what I meant is, is there a possibility that skykids and the ancestors (mostly talking about the children) are two different species? With the "stars" being mortals and "skykids" being sort of immortals as they have access to reincarnation while it seems the spirits and elders doesn't even have access to?

[grizzled rock]

So is this big bird or no? Found it on the way home from ||orbit||

[round parrot]

I wonder why houses in the Village, locked off?

[pastel brook]

bruh...

[compact shale]

*attempts to shove skybot through locked door, ends up grating skybot instead

[torn eagle]

I think it could be reversed? 🤔

[hollow hatch]

are they used to be SkyKids too? can you explain further if you don't mind?

[copper saffron]

skykids are often rereferred as descendants, perhaps of the ancestors. the ancestors were a race of people that lived before in the sky kingdom, who were all killed in the eden eruption. the spirits we see are just memories of them, like their souls

[rustic glen]

Wouldn't it be cool to have an option to send messages to friends in sky?
similar to message boats but you can send them directly to a singular friend.
It could be another friend node that you can unlock, and in-game it would look like an orange paper plane

[torn eagle]

Wouldnt it be better if this was sent in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived ? Devs could potentially see this and may consider it

[shrewd mango]

How? 🤔 /gen (oop- sorry for the ping ^^" )

[torn eagle]

Alef came down hence the light inside the chest from being a star

While ancestors.. not so much? Or Im missing smth here

Wait.. I re-read your message.. youre asking about stars and children of light right?

[shrewd mango]

Yep! About them possibly being two different species?

Also didn't the ancestors also came down from the star hence the line at the beginning "when the stars fell"?

So is it possible that skykids are the "immortal" versions of the ancestors kids?

[torn eagle]

Old version intro implied ancestors as fallen stars

New version intro implied ancestors existing before stars fell (Altho a dev said both versions may still be correct or smth like that)

Ill just assume youre asking for the difference between an ancestor and a sky kid

Yea.. compared to ancestors sky kids can fly and have a light source in their chests.. in concept arts sky kids are even implied to be a hybrid between ancestor and light creatures

[shrewd mango]

Oooh okay! I didn't know much about the concept arts and old versions but thanks for the infos

[pastel brook]

...

[tepid veldt]

what is it skybot

[pastel brook]

???

[nimble ingot]

Skybot lagging?

[subtle pond]

Do you think some ancestors could fly like sky kids?
I mean some of them have capes, these capes have at least one star on them from what I saw,
And considering the praying emote, we can see that some of them could kinda control how the cape moved(?), At least the praying acolyte
(Just thought about it...not really serious thought, just wanted to know what other think)

[round parrot]

Small headcanon (if headphones in Sky exists): Headphones draw in sound or light from the air, converting it into music, thus calming the individual using the headphones

[torn eagle]

Adding on using catlems theory

Headphones draw in the sound of the bgm (since bgm is the music equivalent of the quality of light found in the area)

[pastel brook]

doesn't make any sense to me

Don't count on it

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps with aid from Jellyfish and mantas, or with boats and levitation.
The capes seemingly do not serve the same purpose to ancestor spirits as for Skykids.
One possible reason would because a skykid and an ancestor are difference creatures.

However, an ancestor spirit may be able to fly, though that is a given with ghosts. Although the ancestor spirits do seemingly prefer to walk wherever they can do so. Either because it they prefer to do so. Or because the spirit is reliving a memory from life, which includes walking.

[torn eagle]

Iirc those stars arent meant to be there

[subtle pond]

Ohhh, didn't know,thank you for telling me!

[round parrot]

Don't listen to Skybot, they are the ones not making sense

[pastel brook]

Sounds like it!

[torn eagle]

Lmao skybot agrees

Anyone out there have some theories to talk about anythin at all wanna indulge before sneep snorpin

[nimble ingot]

When the lore chat is silent and skybot tries to keep the conversation alive.

[nimble ingot]

Here is one.
Either I am mistaken, or there is a subtle pattern in the updates that seemingly include past features of Light Awaits.
I am not saying the old features are added back as is. But reimplimented.
To name a few examples, the Abyss Eel like creature being the very model of the Light Awaits creature that used to be as large as a whale.
The shield mechanic given by the elders. And the final Shattering memory being a blatant reference to the Blue Eden OOB.

[torn eagle]

As far as Ive seen in the updates.. things are beung recycled from concept art

For example in the concept art dark plants/darkness when cleansed would release the souls or a trapped light creature

Recently we had that in the form of butterflies being released

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
The butterfly feature is a nice little nod.

During my time playing the game (Season of Enchantment onwards) the butterflies used to only spawn from a particular plant in the graveyard.
Then it was removed without notice.

Then the recent update now reimplemented the feature to most, if not all, dark plants in Sky.

[round parrot]

To be honest, I do remember the butterflies from that one spot in GW, happy to see it being given a spotlight to a few new headcanon, theories, etc. About it! ||or is it another excuse to have a quicker way to recharge you||

[nimble ingot]

What makes this exciting is that were so many concepts that either were scrapped or removed in Light Awaits.
Namely, there were different sky creatures. Potentially stone statues that can be animated/possesed. More storytelling. As well as the King themselves.

[round parrot]

WAIT THE KING APPEARED IN LIGHTS AWAITS????

[nimble ingot]

Again, this may not mean that these concepts may return in their original states.
However, as Zhii mentioned, these concepts may be implemented in a different way.

[torn eagle]

Due to resource overhauls imo, they did say that originally these shard events were supposed to be here from the beginning but no available tech back then

[nimble ingot]

Not exactly in regards to the game.
Though in Forbidden lore, yes.
What I am allowed to say on the server is there were a lot of concept art that included the King. Even though the true look and design of them were not shared/made clear.
This made the story and idea of the King the just of the info on them, while the physical appearance is left undisclosed.

[rustic glen]

However, they are appearing more in murals (prophecy and the new one in eden) and they're also resembled in the last shard memory. Also maybe the kid in the animation project is a young king

[lean kayak]

Skybot is sentient

[nimble ingot]

Exactly. 🙂 You had hit the nail right on the head!

There was supposedly a reason why Light Awaits was only for IOS users (that I may not be able to outright prove, though can speculate on).

One of the major issues with the game, that still persists in one form or another, is the game's limitations.
It is a given that the feats the devs were able to pull off in a game on a mobile phone is incredible. The ability to render clouds and water in such a way is commendable.

Throughout the game's development, the devs have tried to push the limits with the game.
That said, your statement has a valid point that the shard events may be a recent addition to the game. Although as far as the lore is concerned, it was intended to be something that should have taken place from the start.
One may even classify this as a retcon.

[nimble ingot]

There have been frequent theories regarding the King and/or the Sky Prince (not to be confused for the Little Prince) in Sky.

Some may include the light kid we hug in the void in Eden, would be the King or the Prince themselves.
Or that the animation child could be either a skykid, a child of light, a young ancestor spirit, or even a young elder.

[cold lichen]

Hadcanon that I came up at 2 am

Sometimes there are cases of twin skykids.

This happends in two cases

• the star is either bigger than a normal star
• the star splits before the impact

Also I liked the idea that the birth name of a twin either starts or finishes the same way

Like for example
I have two OC and their name are Arteis and Roxeis.

I dont know I liked the idea : )

[rigid mural]

Alasdair I am looking at you very hard with my eyes, this is such a cool idea.

The elders are meant to represent adults at different points in life from the POV of a child (hence why they're so tall), it would make sense for them to keep some things linked to the past secret out of shame or privacy. I could see the Wasteland Elder sighing but accepting that title for example.

[lean kayak]

I like how you added "with my eyes"

[rigid mural]

I'm evil

[nimble ingot]

Throwing this out here.
If stars were to be like humans.
There would be various kinds and would change throughout a lifespan.

While there are dwarves, giants, supernovas and various colours. The black hole would be a death of a star and a violent end worse than a supernova explosion or a still death as a neutron star.

[cold lichen]

This is so dark and yet so cool as an idea

[hushed steeple]

Wait I think you’re onto something

[eternal totem]

I thought I had responded to this but I guess not

I heard & liked the idea that Home space is either a pocket dimension or it's within one's heart when they drift off to 'sleep', as long as their light is strong the integrity of the place is going to remain, which is why when we lose all of our light it simply ceases to exist & we can't "return Home"
It could be purely game mechanic, especially when dying outside of Eden & the pity star room that is just at the outskirts of Home far off

I don't even know what happens to Skykids who somehow die outside of Eden, I don't think their soul simply ceases to exist since All will return to the Light no matter what

I'm trying to make sense of something that's personally not canon, it probably exists but not the way it's shown in-game

[cold lichen]

I thought of somenthing else while I was away for my twin idea: what about birthmarks?

Skykids are relatevely similar to each other, so I tought that if two of of them were born from the same stars they have some kind of birthmark.

And how they were born affect the mark.

For example: if the star splitted between the two, the mark will also be splitted between the twins

If not, they will have identical birthmarks on the same spot

This is all my headcanon btw, just for the fun of it

[hushed steeple]

Elders could be giants, Season guides as supernovas and Eden Elder as the black hole

[nimble ingot]

Yup, in a headcanon and fanon way.

[hushed steeple]

Yesss!

[eternal totem]

Last concept art is the private Home space

[nimble ingot]

From Light Awaits, yes.
credit to image: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHlnG2CVEAQ

[eternal totem]

Yeah

[wheat cypress]

Oh I loved the concept for light awaits homespace 😭... so eerie and dreamlike

[nimble ingot]

I like the notion of the word "port" being used, come to think of it.
Almost like the game may have intended to use more and more nautical nods.
Such as Isle, Rain, Port, Ark, Storm, Shores of Mana, Vessel; as well as visual symbols namely, water, wind, boats, ports, ships, the physical ark from concept art and its enormous port also in concept art.

Suppose the concept of travelling over water and air, with a vessel, may have more speculations aside from a spiritual journey. Though possibly philosophical ones as mankind would also use boats to reach the furthest corners of the world.

[round parrot]

Lore question: Why does the "Pity Room" or the void room where we die and the Shattering season area, reflective? Is it symbolic?

[misty warren]

does anyone know why season guides don't ascend like other spirits in lore

[runic patrol]

descendants like the movie /j

[nimble ingot]

Lore-bot.
The amount of resentment garnered at deleting an entire paragraph because of arbitrary trigger words should be enough reason to why the lorechat is dead.
Not because of players supposedly losing interest. Or obsessing on a video game marketed at children with parents that have bank accounts on their phones.

But because of the lack of effort in moderation, and spaghetti discord bot coding.

Delete this message if you will. Though I dearly hope the point does ring true.

[nimble ingot]

Apologies for the short answer. The bot deleted my explanation.
Have this short answer instead, curtesy of the bot's trigger happy approval.

The water and reflective nature may be related to religion. Though it may have universal symbolism.
See this image by Jose Luis Vaello, who made concept art and short storyboards for the game's lore.

[untold notch]

I would think most of the filtered words make sense it's just aggravating when you don't know that a word is filtered and your message gets deleted

[final venture]

They have ears?

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Some of the words I think is unnecessary are the name of one of the concept artists (I am not joking). The attached image is the artist in question.
That and the name of the white whale. But not the name of its author, Charles Dickenson.

[nimble ingot]

Forgot to attach image, smh

[untold notch]

in that case, I believe not the whole word is censored but part of his last name is registered as a filtered word

[nimble ingot]

I do implore you to give it a try.
Moby ||Censored||

[round parrot]

I know they do. But I wondered why they would wear headphones in the first place, so I came up with this headcanon

[round parrot]

I remembered I once called it a bouncy house

[untold notch]

yeah . that second word in the title is a common swear word and in a server that aims to be family friendly or somesuch it would make sense

[frigid tinsel]

You can actually enter some of the houses in the Performance area through the windows. Can’t do much besides chat, not even move, but it’s evidence that skykids can enter some of these buildings.
(pinged since this was 8 hours ago).

[round parrot]

While I am aware of that, I now wonder how Skykids even get in there (since the screen fades to black as if the game cannot show you how you get inside)

[frigid tinsel]

Kicking in the window?

[frigid tinsel]

Stealing this idea

[round parrot]

We don't see any fractures from my understanding though it is possible that someone had to repair it while Skykids are not looking
Though I do like the idea of Skykids breaking in through the window if the door is locked

[nimble ingot]

That is perfectly understandable: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

However

The fact that a message just gets deleted is not very intuitive to discourage would-be 'potty mouths'.
Should the bot give a warning, which it should be capable of doing this (or relay the tasks to a second bot), it may help the user understand why a certain word is an issue.
Recalling from past interactions, the reluctance to disclose trigger words may be reasonable to prevent petty users from testing the bot. However, for users trying to figure out what word would offend the bot, the bot would mute users who would inadvertently spam the bot (not the channel since the messages get deleted).

It honestly feels like a nuisance, that does not need to be disclosed in the mods as feedback or a suggestion. As this issue has been part of the server across multiple channels, from several users, and throughout the majority of the server's existence.
It was, and likely will still be, a problem for some users to deal with who do not mean to offend, though would fight with the bot until the problem is fixed.

[frigid tinsel]

You could prob copy+paste that into #contact-the-mods cos I too and ticked off by the censorship

[nimble ingot]

Sure.
For what it is worth.

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I believe if enough users issue their complaints about it, some things may change. See: polyamory

[nimble ingot]

Testing a word:
Christianity
Nope?
Then I have no fudging clue what could have ticked the bot off

I will see myself out, before a krill of a mod would take a peak and stampede my poor soul into oblivion.

Pro tip:
Remember to ctrl + C your messages, folks.

[keen shore]

IM LATE BUT THIS IS WHAT I SEE IT LIKE TOO :] it took me a while to use the time of day names cause of that weird hangup I mentioned but I like them so much better. partially because they’re shorter and easier but also they’re more personal and kinder in the case of wasteland so :]

[rapid knoll]

i just found out about || light awaits.. and i don't know why most people aren't talking about it? assuming some of the lore there is canon till this date, we got a whole lot of lore..plus i prefer weeping forest to hidden forest, and old Isle map || if i need to delete please say, because idk honestly

it's just.. beautiful

[frigid tinsel]

Yea it was

Light Awaits was the pre-release beta version of Sky, so not many people know about it. Also it’s evident some lore has changed between LA and Live, so its canon may be different from current canon. Some still prefer working with it though

[rapid knoll]

I'm hoping some lore is still canon, because it was beautiful...i wish i played the pre release version, man..

[round parrot]

Unfortunately, like the concept arts, there are parts in Light Awaits that isn't canon to Children of the Light *anymore, they usually get mixed with which one is canon to Sky and which ones aren't. There are possibilities that TGC might use lore bits from Light Awaits in order to construct the world building of Sky, like with the Shattering final memory for example.

[nimble ingot]

Credit to Miriam

[round parrot]

YES THAT ONE!
I remember my first ever message here in Lorechat was about that very OOB in Light Awaits. It still makes me wonder to this day what this is supposed to mean

[rustic glen]

omg what is this and where can I find more of it

[potent sedge]

oh that is cool looking

[round parrot]

When Skykids stand in the way when shards are falling, I doubt it actually just pushes them away unscathed

[nimble ingot]

(sarcasm turned up to 11, it is not directed at any users, just venting to the bot. sorry for the message getting deleted)

Look up artist and Light Awaits. "idc"

These peopled did art "I guess", and these websites are "kinda" interesting:
TGC Twitter - keyword "7 days of"
Jem
Jose Luis Vaello
Reika Yoshino
||censored :(|| Ashi Purple Almonds
"Maybe" Tumble for Light Awaits Screenshots, and "I guess" old YouTube gameplay videos
Lastly, do look at this channel's image search history

[frigid tinsel]

Sharded skykids are a neat concept to play around with. Also to introduce skykid disabilities and medical care since many, including myself, fall into the habit of viewing them as invulnerable.
sorry about the ping

[potent sedge]

So in the final mural in Eden we see that the King [or who we assume to be the King] and the crystal. I don't have evidence of course but I personally believe that it shows the King causing the darkness in the skies [which in turn caused the stars to fall].

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the room where we get eaten by the Leviathan, so I believe the reflection thing is connected with extreme amounts of darkness

@misty warren Regarding your season guide question, I think it’s because they choose to stay on this world.

[nimble ingot]

There is another that would depict the King/Sky Prince that can be found in the game.

On the water surrounding the portal to the Office, is this Mural of the King/Sky Prince and the Megabird.
Dark image credit: kateuno
Light Image credit (cropped from): Tom Zhao's website.

[uncut pond]

I think the Diamond wasn't originally meant to be full of Darkness, it got corrupted at some point

I personally believe the several giant pipes we see through Wasteland and Eden were meant to send light towards the giant diamond to act as fuel, like an entire electricity grid being redirected towards a Crypto mining farm
At some point, the Wasteland couldn't contain the dark creatures that resulted from the light extracting process anymore and the dark creatures infiltrated the giant pipes, eventually reaching the diamond and corrupting it

[potent sedge]

yeah i remember that one

[eternal totem]

They used to ascend in seasons preceding Enchantment, the guides will eventually ascend alongside their group once you 100%, it could be that due once the quest mechanic was introduced they had to keep them hanging around so those who join later will have the chance to participate in the season's story. At first I thought the guide will eventually ascend & later players wouldn't be able to participate in the restoration quests, since I'm used to guides leaving us once the season is over, but that wasn't the case.

That's the technical reason, lol

I guess lore wise they choose to remain because perhaps the Skids need their guidance & knowledge, or they're looking to reunite with more spirits besides their main group, like how Rhythm stuck around to eventually reunite with their twin, Performance

[rigid mural]

Enchantment sticking around because they don't trust kids with their stock of potions

I like to think some seem to stick around in game but do get to ascend with their friends (Flight), they just come back down to check on us.

Performance troupe might be staying so the kids always have friends to play music with if they feel lonely !

[eternal totem]

I keep forgetting Flight ascends 💀 but yeah it's really cute to think some stick around so they wouldn't be all alone & get to teach them more

For Enchantment I personally think the restoration is far from over, we only simply got the gears turning, there weren't many survivors from the crash in my interpretation (they were more than 7 abroad) so they still have a lot of restoration work to do

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact (Unless I am horribly mistaken)

Whenever you enter the Dream Village area, you would see a spirit ascending most of the time.
During the season, you would have seen the Skater Girl on the ice. However, it seems like after the season ended, every time skykids enter the area, the skater girl would still be there, skating on the ice. But immediately ascend into the sky.

[torn eagle]

came in after sapling quest and made more connections with enchantment and lightseekers

when we cast a spell isnt it reminiscent of a lightseeker getting light from the bloom tree? but compared to us releasing the light orb to cast a spell lightseekers take the light in

proof that lightseekers have friendly relations with enchantment crew even to the point of a partnership or business relationship?

[nimble ingot]

(D&D brain kicking up at this theory)

I wonder if the enchantment group would be like Sorcerers and the Lightseekers are like Druids

[torn eagle]

perhaps XD I remember a theory here that said lightseekers caught light and enchantment crew enchanted them turning them into spells

[eternal totem]

That's the most common consensus

But, I feel there has to be more to it, I'm not sure what it could be

[potent sedge]

one thing i've always been curious about is what in THE world is the 3 lights in the little boat thingie in isle of dawn, in that little cave thingie

[pastel brook]

[austere bridge]

pardon me, but where?

[torn eagle]

lightseeker cave

[potent sedge]

Ok it's in the Isle of dawn, there's a cave with one of the seasonal spirits from i think lightseekers

[spark heath]

Hi

(●’◡’●)ﾉ

[keen shore]

hi kokichi!

[sharp lichen]

It was shown in the Enchantment mural as something the Lightseekers want,

[crude flame]

This place, right ?
Bonus tiny spirit praising the candle

[grim python]

why the heck is there a spirit there and why he so tiny 💀

[crude flame]

I honestly don’t exactly remember how or why it happened, I took this screenshot so long ago hahaha
I’m pretty sure it was just an odd bug at the time, which is why I took a picture of it in the first place

[eternal totem]

Oooh I think I know what it is, when we relived a spirit a second time, you could wave to them, so they'd be stuck in a pose until you wave
Like in this video: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

This is old & it doesn't work that way anymore

[crude flame]

Ahh, yeah, this picture is likely from some time in early 2020, but it was the only picture I remembered I had on hand of the area
The spirit’s odd tiny stature was funny to me, but I apologize for any confusion
It very well could’ve been from that bug, I wish I remembered better though

[eternal totem]

No worries

[frigid tinsel]

on the Lightseekers-Enchantment connection, the murals on the Forgotten Ark do seem to depict lightseekers collecting lights, so I think the two groups could've cooperated. perhaps lightseekers collected lights they gave to enchanters that did whatever with the lights before selling off artificial color versions.

[potent sedge]

Yeah

[eternal totem]

Yeah they definitely have worked together for generations so I think, colored lights are cool advanced magic stuff compared to olden days

[pastel brook]

Don't count on it

[keen shore]

I just woke up but I agree I think lightseekers and enchantment worked together a lot!! probably shared methods of collecting normal+colored lights as well, or both studied lights in similar fashion, just with enchantment being more focused on colored lights. you could even make an argument about enchantment being a cohort of lightseekers with a different specialty if you wanted!!

the forgotten ark murals made me think of this personally but also crab whisperer’s sapling being so close to the ark dock, I refuse to believe they are not friends

[eternal totem]

Yeah, I always thought they worked closely together for a long time, like their families did for generations, like they got eachother's back they're joined at the hip they're buddies yipeee yaya

But would be a name to call a group of Enchantments, merchant doesn't have that mysterious ring to it

Oh yeah right I call them Lightweavers because they manipulate the form of light like a thread to create colored light

[keen shore]

ELABORATE? i haven’t really worked out how they’d make the colored lights yet, I assumed they got them that way & then the alchemy part was them getting mixed into spells

[frigid tinsel]

Lightweavers is such a cool name omg

[eternal totem]

Oh this gonna sound like a bunch of nonsense but the weaver part refers to an old practice they had is all, they used to merge an element or fraction from an element into pure light that is caught by an LS, I mentioned before that only few are capable of hand weaving & forming/shaping any element probably because of their stronger inner light, it's purely done by hand (not so much nowadays,) energy of the elements are taken from various sources. All they need is a skilled weaver that can shape the magic, then hand it to someone that is capable of manipulating that specific element contained in the light

[sharp lichen]

Honestly, Lightweavers is a name I’d give to the Lightseekers more

[torn eagle]

To be fair Enchantment crew seems to have 3 main specialities in terms of selling products

Carpentry, Herbology, and Alchemy

With Farming and Mural-making secondary specialties

I think normal light to color light conversion comes from alchemy?

Supporting Detail: We see colored flame being used to try and cleanse polluted water source in Indifferent Alchemists memory

[eternal totem]

Yeah it is still alchemy just done differently

[sharp lichen]

The “specialties” are products that they sell to us, but they’re very Skykid-oriented, meaning they probably sold different stuff before Skykids

[eternal totem]

They sold Xbox & go karts

[torn eagle]

So would they also sell herbs from farming and murals from mural making as well perhaps?

[eternal totem]

Do you have any other suggestions, I did try to make it gender neutral & not something generic sounding like wizards or alchemists

[sharp lichen]

I had ||Crewmates|| but a more serious option could be Elemental Merchants

[keen shore]

I LOVE THIS INTERPRETATION I love it when magic in this world is kinda… idk how to say it, expanded on in this way? Like how you describe the colored lights as being woven together, & how I like to imagine the prophecies from working. It’s always very interesting and it makes me really happy as someone who loves magic systems.

I adore the name lightweavers btw! I think it fits to have their name be similar but different to lightseekers. Implies they’re two sides of the same coin.

[eternal totem]

That's a mouthful

[crude flame]

Honestly I love the name ‘Lightweavers’ it sounds close to Lightseekers, but it has a really nice ring to it!

[frigid tinsel]

Lightseekers seek light, lightweavers make things out of light. I think it works

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@eternal totem So it should be 5 syllables or less then? How about Light/Element Sailors, or Prophetic Sailors

Or maybe there could be a name that combines both Lightseeker and Prophecy elements, given the connection to the 2 seasons?

Something like Light Prophets

[keen shore]

I still like Lightweavers a lot better! It does kinda imply that like, they are kinda part of the same job with lightseekers being the ones who find the lights & the lightweavers who make stuff with them, but I think that’s intentional and it works within the world!

[sharp lichen]

I just don’t like the word Weaver lol

[keen shore]

why not? I love when things are compared to weaving!

[eternal totem]

That's okay if you don't like it, they wouldn't & shouldn't call themselves prophet though

I got ||Light Habibis||

[keen shore]

I also headcanon Enchantment as being from Isle, which I think most people here know, so I think it would be really confusing in univers if there were two prophet groups there but also only one of them were actual prophets

[sharp lichen]

Lightweavers and Lightseekers are already quite similar

[keen shore]

And? The two groups are very intertwined! That’s the point :3

[sharp lichen]

The people from Enchantment and Prophecy are also intertwined

[torn eagle]

Not as intertwined as Lightseekers and Enchantment, no?

[sharp lichen]

That’s arguable, Prophecy and Enchantment have a lot of connections

[eternal totem]

Yeah the guides kissed once under a bright moonlight

[sharp lichen]

SO TRUE

[keen shore]

Lightseekers & Enchantment are basically variations of the same job, Prophecy just uses their lights for things is the difference

[eternal totem]

Enchantment has two hands guys once at a time ladies

[keen shore]

they went to the same furry convention and met there

[torn eagle]

I like to imagine prophecy has the original raw elemental lights

While enchantment lights are more artificially made

Thats why theres red and purple light in enchantment (purple being related to mind ancestors are able to use telekinesis kek and red for darkness/concealment)

[keen shore]

if anyone wants to know enchantment guides fursona google “sand cat” and they are that creature fun little fact for you

[eternal totem]

So true

[sharp lichen]

The spirits from Enchantment are merchants and traders, the Prophets are teachers, and the Lightseekers are like a hippie group??

@torn eagle I theorize purple light being related with the Prophet’s supposed power to see into the future/predestination

[torn eagle]

Lightseekers - main elite group

Enchantment - sub group in charge of procuring finances, also a research and exploration group

Assembly - proteges and next in line

Smth like that?

[eternal totem]

They're alchemists & scholars first, merchanting is just a side hustle

[misty warren]

do you guys think elders can make noise like honking

[sharp lichen]

Their jobs are Muralist, Herbalist, Farmer, Carpenter, Alchemist, and silly little guy

I think collectively it’s a multi-job thing

[uncut pond]

I see y'all are talking about colored lights again, I'd share my own headcanon on enchantment, prophecy and lightseekers and how their lights relate to each other but I feel my hc is nowhere near as interesting as the ones all of you are sharing

[eternal totem]

Like, merchanting aside I just always think they're on the go, wandering & researching, they don't truly have a home

[frigid tinsel]

Flight crew are the hippies. They literally have their own commune

[eternal totem]

Okay, share anyway

[torn eagle]

They have a muralist for recording events, a farmer for their daily supplies, an alchemist for the main light weaving, herbology for potions and concoctions, carpentry for inventions and repairs

Checks out

[eternal totem]

Idk about honking but you can hear Prairie & Wasteland gasp during their cutscenes

[torn eagle]

What if lightseekers, as healers, also use herbalists concoctions to heal 🤔

[sharp lichen]

Two can play at this game you know

I think each Enchantment spirit was treated equally regarding the Lights, since they all used one light each in the cutscenes and probably owned/used it in the past

[eternal totem]

Alchemist & the guide are both related so they're both lightweavers, but Alchemist is getting weaker because it was passed long ago to their child then to the guide eventually, the grandchild

<- is crazy

Discussing the Elders: 😪🥱😕😴🧘‍♀️

Sharing the entire Enchantment family tree: 😍🥰😘😊😜😝

[torn eagle]

Explains why they can't cleanse the polluted water hmm

[torn eagle]

Which spirit holds which light in game again? 🤔

[eternal totem]

Muralist: Red
Alchemist: Blue
Walker:Cyan
Farmer:Green
Carpenter: Purple
Herbalist:Orange

[uncut pond]

I was about to finish typing but Discord straight up crashed

[eternal totem]

NOOOOO,,, 💀
What does Discord have against this chat this happens times too many

[uncut pond]

YEAH I'M BEING SERIOUS THE SCREEN WENT ALL BLACK AND IT JUST CLOSED ITSELF AND I LSOT IT ALL IM CRIYNG

[eternal totem]

Oh yeah right I forgot to mention they're not always traveling that big boat together, they do separate into groups or alone for years, I like to think before the events of the crash it was certainly a huge reunion of some sorts

[keen shore]

worlds worst friendship reunion 7 dead

[eternal totem]

I mentioned earlier there were more on the Ark itself so 301 dead 6 injured

The family itself has very few of their people left so they do travel in groups

[sharp lichen]

How does that Arc fit 307, oh wait Sky Navology can solve that

[eternal totem]

I simply want it to ❤️

[torn eagle]

Math tiem?

[eternal totem]

Also because of this, there were boats

"There were boats" I sure hope there was god I can't THINK anymore

[keen shore]

Oh the ‘lifeboats’ scattered around the ark? Yes there was!

[eternal totem]

I just like to toss aside game limitations sometimes y'know, like I don't think only 7 can operate a vessel this large on their own

[torn eagle]

Enchantment = those that arent "powerful" enough to be included in the main lightseeker roster? 🤔

Thinking there may be more Assembly scouts then

[eternal totem]

Naay they work together

[torn eagle]

Yea they work together

But I think it goes deeper than that.. with lightseekers being those who pass the tests while enchantment are those that didnt and specialized in other fields

[eternal totem]

Mmmm nooooo

[keen shore]

adding another thought to the pile — what is everyone’s thoughts on how prophecy would tie into this dynamic. I like to imagine that because of how the trials work, you get more attuned to the light from interacting with them even if you don’t win, so some of the prophets students became lightseekers as a result

[violet sundial]

Ragequitting trials to become a Lightseeker

[torn eagle]

Was thinking about that kekw

Maybe prophecy is where the mass education is and assembly are like proteges of the lightseekers thenselves, apprentices

[keen shore]

i thought of a headcanon today abt crab whisperer being fire prophets former student and I got it between my teeth and refuse to let go

[torn eagle]

Crab Walker wields air enchantment light kekeke

[keen shore]

i like to imagine the prophets aren’t really related as being part of the same job, just a lot of their students go into it based on how the trials work

[uncut pond]

Alright so, second attempt (Discord please don't crash)

First of all, I believe the enchantment and prophecy colored lights, the lightseeker lights and the candle light are all fundamentally the same phenomenon, but the circumstances that make them manifest are what differentiates them, and I'd argue all of them (except candle light technically, and maybe prophecy lights but I'll get to that) are naturally occurring rather than artificial

The lightseeker and candle lights are the exact same almost, they're just small pieces of "vanilla" light
What differentiates them is how they come to be. Both manifest due to the exact same circumstances as light creatures and I believe all of them are pretty much the same phenomenon
Candle light manifests when the inner light of our skid ignites candles, lightseeker light manifests due to the light the stars used to project onto all the realms, and light creatures are born when enough light accumulates in a single place, giving them birth
I'd also argue that lightseekers aren't an actual group, but rather a single spirit per realm that was personally appointed by their elder and thus linked to that realm. Their task once was to make sure enough gifted light was shipped to the elder temples safely, and they also helped the spirits collect that light, but after the stars fell they were given the duty of gathering as much remnants of light as they could find in order to either revive the elders or keep what was left of them alive.

Enchantment lights are pretty much like the lightseeker lights, the difference being that these lights manifest in certain places where another natural phenomenon is so strong that this new light gets imbued with and shaped by it, giving birth to these colored lights which have special properties related to the element that shaped them. The enchantment crew didn't create the lights, they merely had an idea of how to use them.
(1/2)

[uncut pond]

Prophecy gets a bit trickier, but I'll try.
The prophecy lights don't represent strict elements like the enchantment ones; they were infused with more abstract qualities, they represent the virtues each elder once possessed, and the ones they lacked to stop the cataclysm later on.
These lights naturally(?) manifest from light beings powerful enough to project these virtues onto reality in the form of colored light, in this case the elders (and the skids but to a lesser extent)

That's it, hopefully that makes enough sense

(The Discord character limit couldn't stop me )

[frigid tinsel]

I agree but you gave me a thought — What if other survivors of the wreck tried leaving for help or better fortunes and the 7 we have are those who stayed behind?

[keen shore]

I do think there was only 7 personally just because of mural reasons and also I believe they could operate a boat that big but I do really like this idea in general! on the verge of being Convinced

[eternal totem]

Yeah I don't think all of them died, & yes there were several survivors of the crash outside of the main 6, but I'm not sure how it all played out yet

Also Salem, the only thing supporting the canon (?) aside from murals is how they were adapting to the environment post-crash

[keen shore]

Yeah!! It’s in a space where you can do whatever hc wise and it makes sense of course, I’m just saying that personally I believe there were only 7 just because I like the already present character dynamics, and because I wouldn’t personally be able to explain why only some but not all left, but I do like the idea of there being more survivors! Sorry if it sounded like I was calling ur idea bad aksjaosldjf I like it

[eternal totem]

I like your interpretation too! I do think colored lights are naturally occurring & artificial it's just needs to be contained via a weaver & various elements and another that has a connection to that elemt to use & release it back into the world, it's like a cycle

[eternal totem]

Oh no I never read your post as that I totally get you

[eternal totem]

Omg

[frigid tinsel]

Dark oml

[tepid veldt]

why are they so cute

[eternal totem]

8 Fascinating Facts About the Sand Cat

[tepid veldt]

Sand cats: the cute, but fierce feline…

[keen shore]

THANK YOU I LOVE THEM TOO. AND OMF THE DOODLE OF ENDHANTMJET GIIDE THANK UOU FOR THAT DARK

[hoary ingot]

what’s the ark backstory?

[keen shore]

The forgotten ark crashed in GW after getting struck by lightning. The spirits on it slowly died, with the guide dying in the crash. You can kinda get these details from the murals; where the enchantment spirits came from is a bit foggy, but I do have theories about it!

[pastel brook]

hey, hey! I have a theory!

[compact shale]

*pickpockets theory

[pastel brook]

doesn't make any sense to me

[round parrot]

I headcanon that when Prince went through the rebirth gate, Megabird was like "Yeah, this boy doesn't belong here, he should go back where he came from"

[pastel brook]

My theory: could all light creatures be feathered? They'd be so fluffy! I love fluffy things.

[sly lake]

Sky fish are actually like penguins then?

[torn eagle]

Skybot lore:
•Loves fluffy things
•Admits to not making sense

[violet sundial]

Alchemist’s fursona was a markhor I think….. fitting

[compact shale]

For some reason my first thought was "And so Megabird plucked TLP bald before sending him back"

[torn eagle]

Makes sense, we get their hair as ult iirc

[potent sedge]

THIS IS MAKING ME WHEEZE SO HARD HELP ME

[pastel brook]

What do you think the cultural significance of capes were in the Spirit's Kingdom?

[winter shale]

Wait skybot has a good question I wanna hear people's theories on the kingdoms culture

[frigid tinsel]

this kid got a gender! get 'em outta here

[round parrot]

If Megabird had a voice, it would sound like thousands of ancestor spirits are talking about the same thing at the same time

[keen shore]

discord vc

[compact shale]

One of my Skytober days is about how wooly mantas are made

[white junco]

oh i should do skytober

[tepid veldt]

what is this foreign concept, gender

[tepid veldt]

not sure how strega’s gonna retaliate to this one
but, skybot, ill try to answer:
i don’t know. and im also very tired. nighty night lorrchat

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think that Megabird doesn't have a form so if They appear in Orbit, they borrow or possess the appearance of spirits in the Light. there will always be more than two spirits and when Megabird speaks, those spirits say the exact same thing at the exact same time. that's when you know that's Megabird

[round parrot]

Makes me wonder. When ancestors sing in harmony (when they were alive), it has a name somewhere around "The Whisper of the Light" to "Melody/Harmony of the Light"

[round parrot]

OC headcanon when they see someone familiar, they immediately say "You seem familiar, have I threatened you before?"

[austere bridge]

“Megabird saw this being that was not from its realm pass through The Light, and thought, ‘It shall be B A L D’”

[copper saffron]

capes seem to be more of a fashion thing than for flight or anything, cause ancestors cant fly

[pallid aspen]

Maybe it was a representation of flying? Even without the capes we could fly (like the scarf capes, it's not the scarf that makes us fly) every ligh creature has some sort of wings so maybe it was to pay respects to them or copy them?

Can i ask who's megabird actually give je all the lore you guys all know i wanna knkw everything

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

[tough coral]

megabird is our mom and they are the most lovely beast in the game and I love them dearly

[pastel brook]

Why is the water not polluted in Abyss? I tried to go swimming in other parts of Wasteland..BIG MISTAKE!

[hushed steeple]

😂

[compact shale]

Because if abyss water was polluted it would be a death season just like Shattering

[boreal nebula]

Because Oysters and Clams can filter water IRL, iirc

[torn eagle]

Interesting.. thought

[nimble ingot]

That is an interesting point.
This would have been a fantastic topic to explore. Although the game sadly has not shown to players why clams are not in the rest of the Wasteland, other than the logic of the clam being exclusive to the season area.

Had the Wasteland given more context, such as showing players clam shells that dont drop wax. There may have been more evidence to work with aside from hypothesising.

Thinking out loud, it would have been cool to have Light Clams that players can interact with. Perhaps the clam opens and lets skykid take out an orb made of blue wax (similar to the blue bubbly sprites that drop behind the eel like creature).
And the dark clams can be added to the wastes, if not replace some of the plants, for candle running.
Food for Thought.

[wild iron]

Is the underground floor in vault a representation of the abyss? I would like some content regarding this if available

[eternal totem]

Underground floor? You mean the Archives? It was an addition from a season in 2019, it does look like it has been broken into, but it's not expanded upon or explained through the spirit that was found in said area, they were a scholar looking through an already broken-into archive for something that was possibly theirs

[lean kayak]

Omg thats so smart of you iydjgdy i wouldve never thought of that

[round parrot]

Is it possible for the light to bring destruction? ||I am not talking about Hollow Knight's final boss|| Like I could imagine an AU where the light said "screw this, I am gonna start my rebellious phase and burn the entire kingdom down to ashes"

[tepid veldt]

myst i have a hk joke that i think you might enjoy
may i dm?

[round parrot]

Suresuresure!
Tbh I have one as well

[eternal totem]

Treasure Reef is far off into the outskirts of Wasteland, it's possibly not even part of Wasteland, the original entrance used to be down at crab fields/shipwreck before it was changed into side-of-social-hub-entrance (not a fan of those)

[lean kayak]

Oooh i didnt know they changed the location of treasure reef

[eternal totem]

It was hard to reach, I admit it was a bit tedious but we could've had multiple entrances

[round parrot]

What intrigues me the most is the fact it is probably a sunken diamond factory
How did it sink? What made it sink? And what are those claw marks on the tower???

[nimble ingot]

The side room with the 2 winged light and the wise grandparent spirit, I believe is called the archives.

[wild iron]

There is a lore video by some guy. Not sure if it's cannon but it was a R&D facility for the power stones used in forest vault etc etc. The facility absorbed light from the creatures of light and stored them into stones/diamonds as a powersource for the kingdoms technology. There's another theory that the creatures of light that lost their energy became the krill.

That's why I wondered if the underground was the representation of the abyss because if this theory is true, the elder would want the knowledge of it to be inaccessible and hence the floor has been destroyed/broken into.

[wild iron]

I agree. Even starlight dessert shouldn't be considered a part of the vault realm because vault is only supposed to be the main uilding.

[eternal totem]

Starlight might've been part of Wasteland but was influenced by Vault

[round parrot]

In this concept art, it says "Cages filled with waste are transported away" It seems to be indicating that a light creature's corpse decays and gets corrupted
Now as to where it is transported, I think it was held somewhere in Golden Wasteland, either the darkness piled up too much and corrupted most of the realm or the ancestors there used this corrupted waste to make war machines (aka krills)

[wild iron]

Ah. Maybe we'll get a new area at some point that is the dumpground.

[eternal totem]

Happy birthday Prophecy 🎉

[white junco]

prophecy birthday…

[round parrot]

I GOT BONKED 😭

It's Prophecy's birthday? Dang, happy birthday furry prophet

[soft timber]

I had a whole way of thinking where this was the case

[keen shore]

PROPEHCY BIRTHDAY HAPPY ANNIVERSAYR TO THE BEST SEASON EVER

[sharp lichen]

SO TRUE SALEMM

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[pallid aspen]

:0 thank you

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[uncut pond]

WOOOO PROPHECY BIRTHDAY

[rigid mural]

HPD prophecy, thank you for introducing furry theater kids to the realms

[orchid jolt]

Shoutout to these seven skykids we can't save!

And to the catapult spirit statue (whose model had been used for the fainting warrior during some of the light awaits days)

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think those skids have already been saved. their souls, their beings, ascended but their petrified bodies remain. some of those empty shells crumple under the force of Eden, but they are hollow – nothing inside to protect, the light already flying free.

[rigid mural]

Honestly what I like to think too, though I can see why some might enjoy the darker interpretation.

[tepid veldt]

oh no
thats not good
i dont wanna be old, my skykid is 2 yo on monday

anyways, where do we think the prophets came from? did they have the same importance as they do in the cave of prophecies?
DID I TURN PING OFF I DONT KNOW

[keen shore]

I am so glad you decided to talk about them I love you prophecy,
Do you mean like how they got those powers & if they’re super importwnt even outside the cave kind of thing? I’m not sure

[tepid veldt]

yeah, like were they important even outside of the cave

[sharp lichen]

The Prophets probably came from Isle, and may have some relation to the Gratitude spirits

[tepid veldt]

that’s a new one! may i know about the gratitude relationship?

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think of it, I don’t think they had any relationship. I think they’re more related to Enchantment and Lightseekers than anything

[eternal totem]

They do the guides kissed under a bright moonlight

[violet sundial]

I guess the relationship could just be the Time period…. Idk though ik there are Theories on that from here

[keen shore]

honestly this one depends on your interpretation! but probably yes, as the prophecy they made is really important to the kingdom as a whole. also i can’t see them having their students thst they teach to go through the trials without them being kinda well known outside the cave!

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of caves, The wind trial caused me to go through the seven stages of grief every 5 minutes four a whole hour and a half.

[tepid veldt]

wait when were there 7

[keen shore]

trial of air was so bad it made ax3l invent a seventh

[tepid veldt]

air trial is my favorite fight me /lh

[hushed steeple]

there are two extra stages of Anger in my case

[keen shore]

as to where the prophets came from & how they got their powers. I think they are just very very attuned to the Light personally, & more specifically able to perceive it and predict the paths it takes in the future — or something along those lines! My full idea for how their powers work is really Out There, fair warning

[sharp lichen]

My personal headcanon is that the Prophets were the first/ close to the first Ancestors ever in the Sky world . I am a soft magic enjoyer, especially for Sky, so I don’t go much farther then the fact that the elemental powers they had helped them survive

[untold notch]

the seventh is denial 2 obvs

[tepid veldt]

5: acceptance
6: contentness
7: denial ^2

[untold notch]

i remember seeing A Post™️ about this but i dont remember what it said

[keen shore]

I’ve been poking the idea of where the prophets were in the timeline a lot recently. Just because they were at the beginning of the kingdom doesn’t mean they have to be at the beginning of the timeline and whatnot…

[tepid veldt]

some part of me is waiting for a lore compilation like mossbag’s hk lore video i dont know why

[keen shore]

part of me wants to do like a massive essay video on all the theories you can use to unravel more of the elders’ personalities and how they work. but also. that is terrifying

[violet sundial]

The prophets were infamous for Being furries bc the rest of the kingdom wasn’t ready for them

[keen shore]

a good 50% of the kingdom was furries wdym

[untold notch]

diversity win

[violet sundial]

TRUE

[soft timber]

Ngl I've been wondering what the skids would smell like, like how humans have a natural body odor I think the skids would naturally smell earthy in a way

[frigid tinsel]

petrichor and moss

[rigid mural]

Or maybe like ozone when freshly back home from Orbit ?

[soft timber]

OOO yes!!!

[sharp lichen]

What’s the difference between the two? I headcanon that the Prophets were around for most of the Kingdom’s lifespan, so would that put them in a wide range in the timeline?

[orchid jolt]

We can ask either the little prince, the Gloating Narcissist, or the valley elders. All four seem to have noses. (Here are images of the camera being clipped inside one of the valley elders' masks with a view of their nose)

[pastel brook]

Could Butterfly fields have been a site of a big market once upon a time? I would love to go shopping!

[eternal totem]

Gloat is reusing the Valley Elder model, yes

[round parrot]

Imagine walking to a human||(?)||, and asking them if they have a nose

That's like walking to a Skykid and asking if they have a cape

[tepid veldt]

hey sir, do you have a nose

[pastel brook]

you are so funny!

[tepid veldt]

thanks skybot

[sharp lichen]

Extremely rare Skybot W

[orchid jolt]

Yep. No eyes no mouth but yes nose

[hoary ingot]

I actually like this theory

[hoary ingot]

question, did the ancestors use honking to communicate like SKids do?

[scenic sedge]

How did the spirits become spirits? How did they die? I assume most died of falling to their death or krills. Like the proud stance, dropped her kid and she died of sadness. The crying miner, she died of loneliness. The bow spirit slipped on the ice or got hit byna firework.

[keen shore]

They died separately from their spirit memories!

[scenic siren]

I have been wondering who was the placeholder for our sky kid in spirit's memories, since those are memories from when they were alive, and sky kids only come hundreds year later. But yesterday a friend told me an interesting theory: the placeholder was the prince!

Some quests like 4th Flight quest seems impossible for human to complete. Yet the story continues, means someone did complete the quest before.

The prince was chaotic, goofing around realms and helping people. Imagine Vault elder tried to make him study but he just burn homework and fly out of the window (that's what the kingdom get by choosing ruler by parkour challenges)

In Belonging quest, prince caught grandpa red-handed in middle of his operation blowing up Vault's basement, nonchalantly ring bell "Ey hooman come home eat grandma's bun", didn't bother reporting it back to the elder or call the police.

Assembly quest he may collected materials with other ancestors, or by himself since he was a super buff kid from earth prophet constantly make him lift rocks and air prophet make him handstand as part of trial training.

That lab in Abyss, hundreds years ago our shiny boi got in, plucked that dark stone out to give it to a crew to fix their boat, accidentally released the eel. It went wild, ate some human (first mural). Took many effort of the ancestors to get it back in the lab, only for hundreds years later some flying arson kids pluck that stone out again. And this time everyone is dead so the eel roam free.

I think the prince was like one of those krill dodging dark creature fan kids, took interest in dark stuff, like curious kid playing with dangerous things, until someday something happened and he corrupted.

And whatever killed him also erased him out of every spirit's memory, except for Ushering Stargazer for some unknown reason.

[frigid tinsel]

the season quests aren't spirit memories, though. they're events that happen in the present. our skykid interacting with the spirits we rescued

[round parrot]

Lore question: Can a Skykid tame or be attuned with the light soul they have? Like they are able to turn into the form we see before orbit at will?

[scenic siren]

I think that's what inside their rock shell, they left their rock shell in Eden (statues) and only the light fly up
When they going to reborn (on Orbit) they grew a new shell, ready to fall down again as normal sky kid with shell and light inside

[round parrot]

What I mean by "tame or be attuned with the light soul they have", I meant that it would be used like some sort of power, or magic (since it is speculated that Skykids have magic)

[scenic siren]

I think all sky kids can do magic Their entire body seems to be function by light magic. Even when they jump or fly they shoot light out of their hands
There may be some magic that they can use to make whole body glow like that, like glow spell but extreme version. Or be able to do some other magic like ancestors, growing magic tree maybe? Some more complex magic may need practicing
Some day sky kids may figure out how to make barriers

[copper saffron]

Yes yes i have that

[round parrot]

Wrong channel, please do not post beta spoilers here #beta-screenshots-videos

[rapid ferry]

Bruh it says spoilers here

[round parrot]

It doesn't mean it is beta spoilers , the "spoilers" part meant Eden spoilers
Plus, it's in the rules, its strictly not allowed to mention or talk about anything outside of beta channels unless it is already in live

[rapid ferry]

Nvm lol no point in talking to geniuses

Again it says spoilers but ok you the smart one

[raw crypt]

i really think they should add the clarification to the channel desc since this happens a lot 😔

[potent sedge]

my brain immediately thought of the barrier in Journey where the war guardians things try to chase you down the [i forgot the name of it] hill and stuff

[copper saffron]

Yee i could see that. Maybe eden/wasteland had something similar at one point, but it broke and let the krills in

[potent sedge]

yea

[pastel brook]

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[scenic siren]

*put ice on manta

[shrewd mango]

The dead manta at citadel : 💀💀

[autumn atlas]

Manta Sacrifice

All hail the manta

[regal forge]

With that beard vs mask beard thing-
What if the spirits DO have beards but since the sky kids are KIDS they just think it’s a cool design and mimic it through masks-

[round parrot]

Headcanon that some Skykids saw Isle Elder (or any ancestor who have beards in general) and went "I want to be like them" and uses their light manipulation abilities to shape their hair to get a beard

[compact shale]

Step 1: (grow light hair into spaghetti beard)
Step 2: (clap clap)
Step 3: Majestic, shorter beard

[nimble ingot]

Suppose a skykid was more human, should they fall ill, they would have been running a fever.
Would a person had to leave a skykid in fire to help them get better (seeing they are fire proof), or place them in icy cold water to cool them down?

[tepid veldt]

i would think the former, as icy cold water extinguishes skykids (water trial..at least i think thats what it is)

[nimble ingot]

A bearded child may be a bit odd.
Though seeing a skykid does not seemingly age, one can deduce that a skykid is not human, therefore may have a much different mindset than that of a child.
Albeit most skykids would still have an innocent and naive personality, there may as well be the possibility of other skykids that are mature and 'older'.

Although supposedly naturally curious and sensitive creatures that are free to experiment with various looks and styles.
Hence establishing that cosmetics are just that. And may not hold much value beyond their aesthetics. (meaning just because a player likes 1 cosmetic, does not mean another cosmetics has less value while worn. Although can rely on other features such as being useful, or being part of a certain look. For example, being cute, dashing, fearsome, kind, strong, wise, etc.)

[nimble ingot]

Interesting, thank you. 👍

[round parrot]

I honestly think that a flame may help a Skykid heal up (like how they recharge with said flame)

Im not sure if there is a specific flame to help heal up Skykids, like some sort of medicine

[nimble ingot]

Possibly.

Assuming there can be a holy fire (the yellow flames that charge us), there may be another kind of fire that is corrupted (supposedly red).

[violet sundial]

Ya tbf i think some skykids just. Enjoy the grandpa aesthetic

[nimble ingot]

Skykids: Can either have a personality of an old veteran that face 1 too many wars and a sombre attitude to boot. Or a sweet child with the attention span of a goldfish and can get distracted by shiny things.

Or something else entirely.

[violet sundial]

What about an old veteran with the attention span of a goldfish

[eternal totem]

I would definitely be a vet with an attention span of a goldfish

[round parrot]

Honestly same, with me actually playing the game and OC lore

I could imagine my Skykid OC being mesmerised by the shine on the water while all the Skykids at the grandma event are having a foodfight

[eternal totem]

Kids these days...

Back in my day I had to run the entire kingdom to make do

[rigid mural]

Wasn't there an implied forest fire on the 4th mural of the Cave of Prophecy ? The last one before you open doors, it depicts fire burning trees.

It is also in the Hidden Forest that you find the orange light of the Season of Enchantment; perhaps that's why the elder got the power of water/patience...

Maybe the ancestors worshipped the light fire gave but recognized the element itself as a threat ?

[nimble ingot]

True.
A fire that would consume. Which is interesting given how Flame is an important detail in the lore.

[compact shale]

How did a more destructive fire come about?

[rigid mural]

Maybe it always was ?

[compact shale]

It's just a bit jarring because fire has always been viewed as the good force of light, so this subversion is interesting

[round parrot]

OOO OO! I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS. Idk how to explain it but ill try my best
Flames that consume forests as you say, are definitely uncontrolled, while Skykids are controlled flames. There is a crack of a possibility that a Skykid is able to control this uncontrollable fire

||Idyll if you really know hk lore, you must know what I am talking about||

[nimble ingot]

I may be remembering this incorrectly.
Though in concept art, there was a note about flame being pure and good. While a twisted version would be the opposite.
Suggesting that the holy flame can be corrupted.

[rigid mural]

Humans have both worshipped and reviled fire in the same breath when not acknowledging the duality of the element itself; holy fire vs hellfire is more blatant but we got numerous avatars of volcanoes, spirits of the hearth and blacksmiths that can be both beneficial (giving boons, tools or help to heroes) while also being unwise to displease (divine wrath, a mastermind becoming your enemy or at least just a nuisance).

Pele from hawaiian beliefs is worshipped but extremely unwise to anger, Hephaistos from greek myths made powerful weapons that he also used against those that wronged him, and I forgot the name but some hearth spirits from nordic and slavic tales could be both allies and menaces.

[compact shale]

Definitely something to think about when making a skykid oc

[violet sundial]

Gotta love it when games have a nuanced duality thing going on between two important things in its lore

[rigid mural]

I'm just saying ancestors can worship fire while being aware that it can be dangerous and to practice fire safety.

[compact shale]

Firefighter spirit when

[rigid mural]

[violet sundial]

Ok now where’s the pyromaniac spirit who has absolutely no concept of “fire safety”

[rigid mural]

Cackling Cannoneer

[round parrot]

Arsonist spirit when

[compact shale]

Isn't that what half the fandom thought Marching Adventurer was

[round parrot]

They're in the rain, it can take out any fire, so I highly doubt that fires Marching adventurer made is not that big

[compact shale]

That's a relief, because if they did get any bigger they'd probably end up detained

[eternal totem]

Herbalist

[nimble ingot]

Agreed and not to mention some minor hints from the Egyptian mythos with an eye that according to the myth, nearly destroyed mankind. Though a god of the sun (Ra) prevented that from happening.
Not to mention the other myth of a flying boat in the spirit realm (Take note these are overly simplified references)

[violet sundial]

Yes

[south oracle]

Going back to the mural in prophecy with the trees, maybe Rain caused the forest to be under a continual rainfall to prevent any sort of forest fire from happening again? (Before the rain became polluted)

[eternal totem]

Herbalist & Cannoneer kissed under a fiery moonlight

[violet sundial]

BAHAHAHHAHA YES

[nimble ingot]

Wonder if the rain were to cease, would the place erupt into flame immediately?
Assuming that might explain the amount of smog (smokey fog)

[south oracle]

I mean, it's been raining so long that I doubt that any embers remain, but I think the forest would definitely become more vulnerable

With the Elders are their Realms theory, one can see why such an extensive measure such as never ending rain would be implemented, with the possible damage caused to Rain themselves the first time

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.

[compact shale]

Is the destructive fire indicative of Forest Elder's short temper, considering how interconnected the elder and their realm is?

[nimble ingot]

There are theories debating on that.
I recall Salem having made that argument on the channel:
Elder = Realm: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
(Including Vela's theory as the theory is also relevant)
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Interestingly, in the past, the elder used to be a bit calmer in Light Awaits, compared to the scene we know in the modern game.
Both though do depict the elder able to create/forge diamonds. And both rely on the skykid's flame to use their power.
Not to mention, throughout the development in the Hidden Forest, the realm would either be struck with tragedy, or be left with the destruction caused by the elder/ancestors.

[south oracle]

Adding onto this, I think that such a fire would be more destructive to Rain, and that the Elder/Realm balance leans more toward the realms affecting the elders than the other way around

[round parrot]

Speaking of Elders, what happens if an Elder destroys another Elder's realm? I assume this has already happened with GW, but how is it possible? Like maybe the mentality of the Elder in question is the one bring the realm to destruction because of other Elders?

[rigid mural]

@nimble ingot the message where I offer that theory is right above
I clearly remember being at least one of the first to mention it here in that state because I was inspired by celtic and arthurian mythos.

[hoary ingot]

I’m confused.. how would they fall to their deaths?

[rigid mural]

Wait there's an even earlier one

[violet sundial]

“Died of sadness” is so funny OOC

[compact shale]

Sky has a lot of cliffs. I doubt all ancestors are as strong as skykids are.

[round parrot]

Prince was able to survive cliffs in the Hidden Caverns in Forest and the ones in Sanctuary
Makes me think what IS Prince's weight in order to not let a Skykid drop him

[violet sundial]

Oh funny story-

[compact shale]

Well, Prince isn't made of ancestor or skykid material... so we can't really say he compares

[violet sundial]

Someone actually managed to drop him unintentionally in the Forest Caves

He literally just sank into the clouds and disappeared without a word 💀

[ionic rapids]

WTH

[south oracle]

Accidentally drops the namesake of the ENTIRE SEASON

[round parrot]

HOW???? IS THERE A VIDEO?????

[violet sundial]

I think so??? But my camera roll has at least 300 videos so good luck finding it 💀

[round parrot]

If you find it, send in #screenshots-and-videos and ping me

[copper saffron]

sent him to the backrooms

[scenic siren]

I have been wondering... How Crackling Cannoneer drowned in last Abyss quest?
They is a spirit, that means they already dead (I doubt spirits even need O2), how can someone who is dead... almost die again?

[nimble ingot]

Salem: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
29/03/2022 05:09

Vela: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
29/03/2022 05:13

To be honest, it is a very close call. Suppose both of you had the same idea going on.
And from what I can see in the Lorechat search history, that was the first mention of elders being emotionally/spiritually connected to their realms.

To the comment from the void:
"Great minds think alike."

[round parrot]

Perhaps Cackling did in fact drown, but they lacked the ability to swim in order to go back to the surface, but as a spirit, they are kinda stuck in this loop of you just drowning, you can't die because your already dead. It's quite sad now that I think about it (also sorry for ping)

[compact shale]

This has confused me as well, but I have a headcanon that works... at least for me.

This is a hot take but hear me out.

What happened in the past was that the Abyss Guide tried to save Cannoneer, but died along with them. This traumatized the rest of the crew, making it one of the major roadblocks to their ascension. When you do the quests, you insert yourself into the crew's past memories to change how they recall the event, and by rescuing Cannoneer yourself, that memory is what they carry with them when they ascend. However, the Abyss Guide still retains memories of the true events, and can't ascend yet.

[eternal totem]

A common theory is that we were reliving the events of the season through the guide, although I personally don't think the guide altered the memories

[round parrot]

But how come the Abyss QG didn't inform the crew that they have a false memory? Unless Abyss QG had a reason to stay or not believe in this new or altered memory

[south oracle]

Maybe they didn't want to hinder the ascending of the rest of the crew?

[compact shale]

Abyss Guide helped us alter their memories by teaching us how to blend in the crew (so no one else notices), but at the cost of the memory alteration not affecting them

[south oracle]

"Blending in with the crew"
the singular chibi in a group of adults

[rigid mural]

@nimble ingot
I mean...
But I don't wanna argue more, Salem and I are often on similar if not the same wavelength, I just have an attachment to this theory in particular.

[compact shale]

To be fair, Abyss Guide is also a child. They know the ropes of being a pirate child, so they're the perfect mentor for us

[round parrot]

They seem to be more of a teenager who has not gone through their emo phase, yet

[compact shale]

I think being a pirate gives them enough edge to not need emo

[raw crypt]

I don’t think cannoneer drowned literally, but seeing that they’re a spirit; which is probably mostly or all light, being in a place of no light and complete darkness, while we lose wedges of light, spirits don’t have that buffer: so i think its likely that the lack of light made them go unconscious, and could’ve gotten worse if we didn’t help

i imagine we rekindle their flame hence why they recharge us, but isn’t really back on their feet until they’re out of the dark depths

idk if that makes a lot of sense GJFHF

[nimble ingot]

Sorry for not responding sooner.
I see what you mean, these theories are similar though have key differences.

Yours relate to the elders being connected to the spirits of their realms. Either through incarnation, or related to what the elder represented in their realm.
While Salem's implies what the elders feel or their mental states are connected to the condition of their realms. Meaning if the elder is broken and fragmented, the realm would also have that feature. Or is remorseful/mourning, the realm would have a similar sombre element.

[flint bolt]

Hey lore chat, are Skykids edible in some way?

👉👈 asking for a friend...

[keen shore]

yes!

[snow cosmos]

anything is edible once

[flint bolt]

I will consume you all and gain the ultimate knowledge

[untold notch]

the friend being cozy chat

[rigid mural]

I do mention realms but it turns out we boomeranged off eachother for so long it might as well be both

[eternal totem]

Don't eat a severed limb

[round parrot]

Speaking of edible light creatures, can light birds (or light chickens in particular) can be used as food?

I do not understand the concept of food in Sky (specifically when the ancestors were alive)

[nimble ingot]

Welp. There was hunting when looking at the Dismayed Hunter spirit.
That and the crabs on a spit in the Graveyard (Wasteland) with the Pleaful Parent spirit.

Suppose that creatures can be killed, one may imagine that Sky could be more realistic (i.e. have death, slaughter etc.).
However as far as the game and the community lore is concerned. Those concepts may be dismissed to maintain an open, welcoming environment for players and fans of the game to partake in; even at younger ages.

[torn eagle]

Yoinking this (ping off)

[rapid knoll]

Old Tsadi concept art is nightmarish tbh..

[maiden beacon]

OH GOD

[ivory warren]

The—

Oh it's a crab elder

[quiet otter]

He ugly imo
He looks like he’s gonna bust down the goofy griddy

[ivory burrow]

Oh wow, that would have been oddly particular
I like it
It would have been so cool if the elders had both a human and a different form

[rapid knoll]

I thought it was a spider? The jellyfish got converted to small spiders and elder spider has junk stuck in him like he crawled out of a junkyard-

[eternal totem]

a friend

[subtle talon]

Sky bible accurate elders

[quiet otter]

..ur joking..

ooo naw 😨

[eternal totem]

Huh where y'all genchat folks coming from 🤨

[rapid knoll]

from genchat ?

[ivory warren]

I have no idea how this concept came to mind, unless sky originally had a much darker plot compared to how the game is now...

[maiden beacon]

Where do u find the concepts I’m curious on seeing the others

[eternal totem]

Thanks, I can cross this off my bingo

[rapid knoll]

Oh belive me, the lore is SUPER DARK. if you look at abyss murals || they kinda farmed killed light creatures to make the power diamonds ||

[nimble ingot]

Tom Zhao's website

[ivory warren]

I hate spawn killing.

[eternal totem]

Check pins, plenty of concept art resources

[rapid knoll]

It's on sky Twitter (had posted for anniversary long ago) or Tom Zhao's website

[nimble ingot]

Unproven.
That is a hypothesis at best.

Sky is not that dark. smh

[rapid knoll]

It could be 😭😭
it's about children who have to save a dying world and die in the end and are reborn to go through it all again

[keen shore]

Sky lore can be dark, just not dark in the way people expect it to be, from my experience

[atomic sorrel]

I thought that sky canon was really open ended?

[rapid knoll]

Yea, I'm just assuming. I have a lot of theories and most of them are dark..

[ivory warren]

If Journey made me dampen my skykid pants, then oh boy would old concept Sky be terrifying...

[atomic sorrel]

That’s cool! I was just wondering lol

[nimble ingot]

The lore is open to interpretation.
Just because a person would delve into the abyss, does not mean that wholesome moments cannot exist.

The game likes to explore various avenues that can range from feelings of love, hatred, sadness, to even joy and happiness.

[keen shore]

It is! There are some theories though that are really compelling/have enough evidence behind them that they might as well be canon, though, so keep that in mind too. When I talk about theories I usually list all the evidence for them I can think of so that people can make their own decisions.

[rapid knoll]

Time to herd all genchat people back, come on, i got beans 🫘

[ivory warren]

My sky theory is that perhaps in the lower parts of Treasure Reef of the ruins, the sky spirits were experimenting on the krill. They seem to be in containment in the ruins, almost like they were being observed for their behaviours, or even being experimented on.

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to lore chat. Thank you for visitng 👋
Where philosophy meets Fantasy. Where people can have in-depth conversations and hypothesis. To random funny moments and memes.

[lyric isle]

yeah, this is my perception of it! it’s more so in a way when you look into it than surface level

but don’t expect it to be entirely that at all, to anyone reading. there are many wholesome and happy moments to be found too - I’d say it’s nicely balanced!

[keen shore]

I can describe the light creatures charging diamonds theory if you want! It is actually one of the theories I alluded to when I said some have so much evidence that they might as well be canon. However it’s not as dark as it seems to be on the surface, and is often misinterpreted as meaning every spirit/elder is evil which is a take entirely without nuance & once I deeply dislike

[white junco]

yea it’s like. bad things happened here and an entire kingdom is dead but when people say “this story is super dark” they usually mean lots of edge

[rapid knoll]

|| I don't believe every spirit and elder is evil.. I think there was a war ( got evidence to prove) and based on what others said it was the side of the power diamonds vs the natural, ones who wanted the creatures to be free or something versus those who wanted technology||

[keen shore]

Yeah! For example, thinking skykids are forced/compelled into cleaning up the disaster’s wake and freeing the spirits, as opposed to doing it entirely out of kindness and free will. I think the second explanation actually makes me feel more emotion as it’s so bittersweet

[lyric isle]

I can go from my deepest darkest thoughts on the decline of the kingdom to talking about the absurd fact of the crime running in the Belonging family bloodline
that is somehow so funny to me

[rapid knoll]

I'm wondering how sky would look with the old concept arts..If wasteland was dusk and a bunch of factories..if we had aviary and not home..i want former isle now..

[keen shore]

[you don’t have to ping me in replies btw! I know it’s a common thing in faster moving chats, so just mentioning you don’t have to here]

Oh the two shields theory from battlefield? I’ve heard about it and I know what you’re talking about! I agree that there was definitely a war, and it was probably a civil war. I personally don’t think it was over darkstone usage, however that is a valid alternate idea and does make sense

[nimble ingot]

Probably something like shadow of colossus or Breath of the Wild.

[lyric isle]

the war’s not exactly my strong point, so may need to dip out if we go onto that - sad because I wanted to meet you all

wanting to contribute

[rapid knoll]

no i don't think we should go into the war, other stuff to discuss

[keen shore]

that’s totally okay! we can also talk about something else if you’d like

[nimble ingot]

Being scared of a spider golem must be odd if other games would let you stomp of walking mushrooms, or get blown up by 4 legged creeping bushes

[rapid knoll]

wha

[south oracle]

anxiously gives flame to giant spider elder

[lyric isle]

It just doesn’t interest me much is all - thank you for understanding! Not wanting to stop discussion but I never find myself able to add to it

[nimble ingot]

Gumbas from Mario and Creepers from Minecraft

[rapid knoll]

Creeping bushes, i just called them dyno pigs 😭😭

[lyric isle]

does anyone here have a favourite realm or elder or season or spirit? we could talk about that

[nimble ingot]

How about Day and the Flight season

[rapid knoll]

realm: valley/vault
elder: FOREST MAMA
spirit: n o, can't choose
season: flight/tlp/sanc/performance

[keen shore]

favorite realms to discuss lore about or just hang out in: Forest, Isle, Wasteland
favorite elder: rain :]
favorite season: prophecy & enchantment!

[lyric isle]

ooo flight fans in here today! i like it a lot too

[rapid knoll]

vault is just a lil safe haven for lil bookworms

[keen shore]

I think so many vsult spirits would commit violence if given the opportunity

[lyric isle]

Realm: prob Vault
Elder: Not sure, but Night if I had to choose
Spirit: Nod if I had to choose but I adore them all
Season:

[south oracle]

Fav realm: eden (If that counts) or forest
Fav elder: Sunset
Don't have a fav spirit
Fav season: tlp and abyss

[rapid knoll]

like most bookworms in real life tbh

[keen shore]

just mentioning again to not ping me in replies!

[rapid knoll]

is it weird that i prefer Eden over gw 😭😭 GW just keeps me on edge idk why but i can relax in eden

[lyric isle]

i’m not great at welcoming people but am trying

[rapid knoll]

sorry for pinging i keep forgetting (coming from genchat and other fast chats)

[lyric isle]

not at all! your preferences are yours; can see why that may be the case

[eternal totem]

Fave realm: Wasteland
Fave Elder: Also Wasteland
Fave spirit: Enchantment guide which is also from Wasteland
Fave season: Enchantment which took place in Wasteland what a coincidence this is crazy

[keen shore]

spadecore

[white junco]

wasteland is cool

[rapid knoll]

speak of the spade || bad joke nvm ||

[lyric isle]

anyway uh. if anyone has any topics in mind we could bring those up. feeling like Flight because the wind paths have intrigued me so much recently. to the point some of my skykids work in a delivery service utilising them can imagine that sort of thing existing

[rapid knoll]

imagine krills discovering the windpaths and using that to come through to places like prairie-

[eternal totem]

I think I talked about all the crazy stuff in my mind like yesterday

[lyric isle]

ok, that’s a terrifying thought. you may be onto something

[keen shore]

it was very appreciated, I loved your headcanons

[rapid knoll]

don't worry, I'm sure you have more crazy in there

[eternal totem]

THANKS

[eternal totem]

The darkness did come from the Ark wind path, there was a roar & red light? It sounds plausible but they'll 'fight' with an elder manta like Godzilla vs. King Kong

[raw crypt]

Realm: it changes every 2 days
Elder: Prairie or Dawn maybe, hard to say
Spirit: Postman my beloved atm but i also rlly like storyteller slouch and scarecrow and a bunch of others
Season: mainly, too

[quick jasper]

wasteland elder drags the krill back like a worm on a string

[keen shore]

Quest 5’s theme being called deeds unseen always gets me 💔

[rapid knoll]

IM IMAGINING THAT NOW 💀

[raw crypt]

calling the krill back by shaking a bag of treats

[south oracle]

Bad krill
Back to the Wasteland

[raw crypt]

flight quest 5 my beloved, deeds unseen is so good and i thought it was rlly interesting, i remember a lot of ppl being disappointed with it but i forgot why

[torn eagle]

Isnt it whale memory (im assuming shattering?)

Nvm bfkdjfnsnf

[white junco]

spritzing water at the krill

[eternal totem]

Flight was great 👍

[quick jasper]

( drew a lil something for this, gonna put it in #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat )

[frigid tinsel]

If it is relevant to the convo, you can drop it here

[lyric isle]

don’t be afraid to post pictures if relevant!

[quick jasper]

oh i didn't know that

[pastel brook]

Do you think there were survivors after Eden? Scary to think about..

[nimble ingot]

Seeing you are still here, I would agree, Skybot.

[hushed steeple]

Eden isn't hard though

But yeah it's beautiful actually.....it has a unique music with unique scenery

[frigid tinsel]

Eden is hell for a skykid. imagine if you're a flesh-and-blood human who can die instantly when a wall falls on you after the giant diamond that's been powering your civilization explodes

[keen shore]

I would argue that Eden is pretty hard, no one has ever beaten it!

[hushed steeple]

Well you're correct friend ^⁠_⁠^but just once try to enjoy there with friends you'll definitely love it

[frigid tinsel]

not saying living ancestors were flesh-and-blood humans, but rather they're all extinct. I think any ancestors who were aboveground on the Eden mountain when the Eden calamity occurred are very much dead, whereas ancestors who were farther from Eden could've lasted longer but not too long after the collapse

[keen shore]

I already enjoy it, it just can’t be a very fun place in-universe for the skykids

[quick jasper]

Pretty sure fallen walls do kill humans sometimes

[frigid tinsel]

that was my point

[keen shore]

fallen walls kill humans very much

[frigid tinsel]

mate, I used to solo Eden and collect 13-15 ac tho it is more fun with friends, but as Salem said, in-universe it must be hell for skykids. they bloody die there.

[hushed steeple]

I'm also a sky kid I'm not afraid of eden but yeah at the beginning it was tough and now it's even more though but without trying we won't find the way to get of there without loosing more wing light.....

[frigid tinsel]

the only way to get out of Eden is to die and ascend because it is a hellscape

[quick jasper]

in-universe its terrible. but outside of that i honk at my friends until their wings run out so we can leave

[hushed steeple]

Well eden is my favourite place .... because it's not hard but yeah it's beautiful because i can help lots of people there and also enjoy with my friends without anyone's instructions

[south oracle]

In the into, it says that we are "drawn to the light", so, in essence, do we nearly suffer the same fate as the other light creatures in the memories (except we ascend, ofc)?

[keen shore]

Probably, after all, a close up of Eden is the very first thing we see every time we go into Isle. It’s either that or our skykids thinks there’s more spirits to save within it and doesn’t realize until the end that there’s only skykids

[crude flame]

It could be that they’re drawn to the Light, or Megabird maybe

I bring up the concept art a lot, especially Tom’s, but there’s a ‘connection’ to the Megabird that’s often mentioned there, along with a potential ‘disconnection’
Aside from saving the fallen, it makes me think that the sky kids may also return to Eden to renew their connection with the Light or Megabird in a way(?)

There was a brief discussion related to Aurora’s voice a few days ago that also got me thinking

We first hear Aurora’s voice in the Isle where we see Eden from afar, and thus the path to the Light, and the next time we hear her voice is within the Light itself, where it’s also much more prominent, now that we’re closer

Whether or not the sky kids can actually ‘hear’ Aurora’s voice (in a typical sense) is debatable, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs did intend those vocals to be synonymous with the Light, or at least, represent the calling or ‘connection’ we feel to it

The same way our call always points us in the direction of it (game-mechanic aside)

It would also be a clever move on TGC’s part, since different instruments (or vocals) and leitmotifs can be used to musically represent things without outwardly saying so, which is something I always find really neat!

Not sure if any of this actually lines up or is making sense though it’s just a thought of mine
(and sorry for the text wall )

[willow dirge]

would that mean aurora’s voice is a reverse call? (i’m not too great at words )

[crude flame]

(You’re all good! ) Quite possibly depending on what you mean exactly, could you elaborate ?

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t beta content not allowed in Lore Chat? Or can we disscuss Aurora without getting too much into it?

[crude flame]

I wasn’t talking about beta content or Aurora herself, don’t worry! I was talking about the voice of hers that’s already present in-game, and has been for awhile!
I don’t beta test currently, so I’m pretty blind about whatever is happening in the Aurora season, I was simply calling the vocals we hear ‘Aurora’ because, well, it’s her voice haha
Sorry for causing any confusion though

[hushed steeple]

Nah don’t worry I myself I was not sure

[crude flame]

Alrighty, from my understanding, beta content discussion itself is not allowed here, but any discussion of what’s already in Live is fair game, so technically you can talk about Aurora, or the voice she lends to the game’s soundtrack rather, just as long as it doesn’t pertain to any beta spoilers !
Thanks you for checking though! I don’t want anyone to be spoiled

[nimble ingot]

Aurora being in the season yes.
||But that other half, no.||

[crude flame]

Apologies, ||which half ? ||

[nimble ingot]

Its all good.
Glad to know you being considerate.
it is greatly appreciated.

As the message stands, there is nothing that steps past what is already in the live game, or has been publically announced.

Hope to see you more in lorechat, especially when the season start.s

||Treading on the border may be tolerated as folks not aware of it can speculate on things. As long as the rule is not broken with spoilers.||

[crude flame]

Thank you as well, Raider, I really appreciate it!

Trust me, it is definitely not my intent to talk about any spoilers here, (I don’t appreciate being spoiled myself, to a point ) ||but do let me know if there’s anything that needs to be changed about any of my messages, thank you again for checking in and being sensitive to the topic just in case! ||

And I really appreciate that, I hope to see you as well! (Though, I’m mostly a lurker here, hahah)

[sharp lichen]

Sky lore has super dark parts, but as a whole it has a mix of both

[sharp lichen]

The closeup of Eden could be a game design thing as well, to highlight the place you NEED to go in order to ascend. Maybe in a lore sense Skykids are drawn to Eden because it has the giant beam of light?

[frigid tinsel]

moths to a flame

[uncut pond]

This is a bit of a hot take but personally I don't think that Sky is really that dark. Honestly, only counting what's actually in the game, I'd argue that there really isn't that much dark elements

Just think about it for a second

• skids revive each time they die
• they don't seem to lose much considering they still remember all the expressions they learned in life
• the ancestors might've died once, but there's an afterlife for them
• based on the general themes, one would deduce that this afterlife doesn't suck
• the elders seem to be doing just fine in the afterlife too
• no one is forcing skids to go through the cycle of rebirth, they're free to just hang out if they want
• the ancestors left behind just enough warning for their tragedy to not repeat again
• more and more spirits are revealing themselves and getting saved as time passes, so one could argue that any hypothetical spirits from the base game that couldn't be saved could be just future seasonal spirits (the animation might disprove this, tho)
• light is freed from darkness when we burn dark plants
• the memories of light creatures get freed too when we burn away the dark crystals
• they also seemed to be fine when we freed them from the giant darkness leviathan which ate them so maybe stuff eaten by krill isn't truly lost

Overall I'd say that even if it does have some dark elements, it is ultimately an unbelievably bright and empowering story about how the masses can overcome any tragedy when working together and each generation has the potential to improve from the mistakes of the previous one

I'd argue that Sky is only as dark as you want it to be, given the ambiguous nature of it's storytelling

Nothing wrong with the angst tho, angst is cool too

[rocky grove]

hi lorechatt

[keen shore]

I really like the way you phrased that Leon! I was thinking that ‘dark’ wasn’t really the right word I’d use to describe this games lore because I associate it with gruesomeness, not sadness.
and although there are very very sad bits especially if you want to focus on everything pre disaster, I think the general gist of Sky is what you described: community, love, and defiant happiness in the face of great tragedy. Thousands if not millions of people died, the world was ravaged, but its story isn’t over and neither are the spirits’ or elders’. Despite everything, we still get to make a happy ending :]

[untold notch]

and make a happy ending we will, dang it

[uncut pond]

Exactly! There sure are some sad elements, but in the end the story has a pretty nice conclusion, even those who died in the cataclysm are getting to see an arguably happy ending

[frigid tinsel]

Sky's lore and in-universe history is dark in the events that led to the Eden calamity and everyone dying as well as the environmental connections it draws. while yes, some of those morose elements are pushed back and overcome, many are still there.

yes, in the grand scheme of things, light is restored, but light fell and everyone died. light wouldn't have to have needed divine intervention to save in the first place if the ancestors had been more environmentally conscious of the ecosystem devastation their society caused.

irl we don't have skykids and even then, skykids can't clean the pollution.

but, yes, Sky is of hope and renewable, or learning from past mistakes so we don't repeat them. Sky fosters a community where all will find a friend and every being of light shares their compassion for others and strives for a better world where all can flourish and march through the most treacherous of darkness

[uncut pond]

Well yes, there are somewhat permanent consequences that cannot be understated, that is true, and there's also how the ancestors drove themselves to their demise, but I believe the message of the game is still positive in the sense that it tells the player that "we can prevent this from happening". It's a cautionary tale, our world doesn't have skids, but it has us, and we can prevent things from getting way worse if we have a strong enough resolve and a willingness to cooperate like skids do (and despite what some say, there are many historical events that do prove that humans are very willing to cooperate and be better - when there isn't some big government or corporate telling them to do otherwise that is)

Like, did y'all know that novels/movies like "The Mist" and "Lord of the Flies", which are known for their "humans are naturally evil and they need the government" message, are usually either directly based on or have a real-life counterpart that proves the exact opposite point?
"The Mist", for example, was based on a great blizzard in which many people got trapped in a supermarket, much like the people in the movie with the mist. But guess what happened: in the real events, most of them actually started to show compassion and help each other while corporations were telling them to go back to work no matter the danger, unlike the movie in which everyone goes feral against each other without a government to tell them what to do

Humans aren't naturally evil, they were simply made into what they are because of the system they grew up in

[sharp lichen]

Agreed. The optimism of 90% of the game is strikingly obvious, but I still think the dark themes are more complex when compared to other media

[sharp lichen]

It’s arguable that the happy ending has already happened

[frigid tinsel]

And Lord of the Flies was based on the author’s class of young British schoolboys.
yknow, the pinnacle of humanity. /s

[uncut pond]

It's also kinda funny because there was an awfully similar situation to Lord of the Flies where a group of teenagers got stuck in a deserted island much like the children in the book
But instead of killing each other they actually cooperated, and it actually worked well enough that it is speculated that they would have been able to survive quite the long time even if they hadn't been rescued eventually (they were stuck for like 6 months iirc). There was even one of them that got injured, and the rest of the group cares for him instead of throwing him away

Sure, one could argue that children and teenagers are on a whole different level of maturity, but I personally am confident that children would also eventually learn to work together if they were faced with serious adversity

[sharp lichen]

WHAT IS PRINCE’S WEIGHT?? WELL IM GLAD YOU ASKED BECAUSE THERES ONE PERSON WHO CAN SOLVE THAT

[uncut pond]

OH GOD NO
NOT THE MATH
EVERYONE RUN

[sharp lichen]

Nvm found it from a totally legit site

[frigid tinsel]

This is assuming the prince was a human

[round parrot]

Prince is 12 years old

[compact shale]

Did you get it from an illegal market /hj

[compact shale]

I honestly doubt he is

[frigid tinsel]

Exactly

[round parrot]

If Prince is 100 lbs, then how much weight can a Skykid hold

[hoary ingot]

What do traveling spirits return for beside cosmets, and where are they traveling to?

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think they enjoy the company of skykids, checking up on them, and in-universe going to other places in the world perhaps

[compact shale]

I'm sure the tallest skykids are heavier than that

[compact shale]

Such as visiting unascended spirits

Hey, you need to check on your guides, you know

[old fulcrum]

Have a question:
||so every season we re-live memories of spirits past right? So let me ask this question. Who are the spirits interacting with??? Because we’re only “re-living” what someone else has done. SO WHO WAS THERE WITH THE SPIRITS BEFORE THEY BECAME SPIRITS????
WAS IT THE SPIRITS FROM THE CONSTELLATIONS?? Because the way I see it we as the players are taking the place of the missing spirit who was interacting with spirits past||
Might just be my new conspiracy theory.

[frigid tinsel]

The season events occur in the present. They aren’t spirit memories

You’ll see when you click a node on a season guide’s tree, you’re told that you “fulfilled a wish of this ancestor spirit.” There’s a theory that we convince the spirits to ascend by helping them complete their “last wishes” on the world.

Spirit memories, meanwhile, are glimpses of events that happened to an ancestor spirit in life. At the end, we free the spirit themself from a husk. After, that spirit is free to wander the world. Based-game spirits go to Elder temples, some season spirits fly elsewhere, presumably staying in their season area where the quests occur

[sharp lichen]

The seasonal spirit memories (like reliving Crab Walker or something) is just like a normal spirit. For the seasonal quests (the exclamation mark thingies that guides have us do), we see things happen in the present, and in seasons like Performance, we see spirits walking around in the present. Seasons like Performance, Assembly, Sanctuary, and Flight have us do stuff in the present, causing changes to the landscape in the present. The only exception is possibly some quests in the Season of Dreams, but for the vast majority of the time, seasonal quests take place in the present.

[scenic siren]

In think the prince was the placeholder. Uncommon theory though
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[noble ferry]

Ay lore chat, do you have any good pics of the crystals that grow the body of a skykid that gets their light extinguished? Maybe also pics of the skykids before pnr?
Asking for a friend

[round parrot]

Here's my best one

[noble ferry]

thanks!!

[crude flame]

Here’s these as well, just in case!
(The person they were attached to vanished and they were left behind for some reason, so I took the opportunity to take pictures of them haha)

[scenic siren]

There is a bit at the eyes too, looks like crying but maybe that's just random

[scenic siren]

The prophets must have strong neck to wear those big stone masks

[raw lintel]

hi guys, i found reference of sky architecture

[compact shale]

They have necks like tree trunks

[scenic siren]

Also, for Prairie architecture (I think)
Borobudur temple, Indonesia

Somehow I can't upload more than 1 file at once

[raw lintel]

wow you have opinion same as me🤣🤣🤣🤣

check this out, Pagan temple in Myanmar looks like Isle's temple

forest temple looks like Asian's stupa

anyway, their art style are reference from Gupta empire's art. both of Borobudur and pagan temple

[pastel brook]

🧠

[compact shale]

AAAAAH, A HONKING BRAIN!

[round parrot]

Which makes me wonder, where does a honk come from? Like I know it's from light creatures, but how do they do it??

[tepid veldt]

skybot’s brain has been overtaken by moths

[compact shale]

from their light core, wherever that is

[rapid knoll]

chest (little glowy circle)

[round parrot]

If it were to come from the chest, the honking shouldn't be at the head part, it would be at the chest

[compact shale]

It bounces into their head and comes out from there

just kidding I have no idea how sound works

[tepid veldt]

no more science please

[cold lichen]

I may have come with a theory why krills only attack light creatures

[round parrot]

I don't really have the braincells to explain this but

Sound is basically vibrations of the air, if the vibration or the sound of a honk were to find it's way up to the head part, it would also vibrate the Skykid, thus making the majority of the upper body of a Skykid either vibrate silently or make some funni buzzing noises

Iydll there's your science from me

[compact shale]

Do you accept the idea of a skykid going mmmmvmvmmvmmmvmvmvmvmvmvmvm?

[tepid veldt]

mvmmvmvmvmmvvmmvmvmmvmvmmvm

[round parrot]

~~phone Skykid 😭 ~~

[cold lichen]

I think krills jave a terrible vision
Not only it is very limited, but being always in a very dark place their vision is not a good one.

So the preys, if they are basically a light source, falls victim of our (not) beloved emo shrimp

[tepid veldt]

stop, im failing science already

[round parrot]

Hmm, this kind of makes sense! If we take a look at the anti-krill spell, we see dark particles from the Skykid, possibly suggesting that said Skykid is using darkness as a camouflage (I forgot how that spell works so take my message with a grain of salt)

[cold lichen]

Exactly!

[round parrot]

This looks interesting. I wonder why Skybot warns us to not look directly into the eye of Eden, its either:

1. Skybot is making a light-hearted joke
2. Something dangerous or scary/disturbing is watching Skykids and when a Skykid looks at it they are met with a cold stare
3. Eden is just really bright from afar

[tepid veldt]

eden is the sun confirmed

[compact shale]

Resh is watching us from the inside

[round parrot]

I mean, it is called eye of Eden for a reason (now that I think about it, why is it called Eye of Eden? Where did the "Eye" part come from?)

This one Skybot message made me ask existential questions

[hushed steeple]

Can I use beta mode on my phone?

[round parrot]

This channel isn't really sorted for this kind of question, I suggest asking in #beta-discussion or taking a look at #beta-faq for beta related stuff! (Also please ask in #questions-and-help next time for in-game questions/help )

[pastel brook]

???

[tepid veldt]

skybots also confused

[snow cosmos]

the center of a storm (Eden's concept name) is called the eye!

[round parrot]

~~When I first heard of Eye of Eden, I actually thought there was an actual eye 😭 ~~

[untold notch]

maybe the real eye of Eden was the friends we made along the way

[gleaming fog]

Literally since it appears to be made up of living creatures 😄

[sharp lichen]

I believe the third one, look at how bright the Orbit light is!

[slate saffron]

PESTILENCE 7:4:2-4

*And before me writhed an accursed thing. An undone thing from before the world's wake. Low and bound, it's form mutilated itself against the bonds that held it. The thing's very skin sought to escape it.

As I approached further to examine it, the loathesome heap, the thing hastened it's movements. Manic & without mind, the thing attempted to lunged at me, an impish movement all & all. Had I not been paying close attention to it, I wouldn't had known it had moved at all. Suddenly, sickening crack emanated through out the sky. I looked to find that it's bones had been pulled upwards & taut against it's flesh, & all movement ceased.

"Behold, o' child of I", mocked the Blessed. "May thou know the worth of such a vile thing, so that thou may cast it out when it comes upon ye, for thou & thou alone resides over it's resurgence". & with that, the ground disappeared, the thing along with it*

[frigid tinsel]

Hey Strega, have you considered writing a book or short story or something? /gen

[rigid mural]

Hey guys the sun symbol that you can find on some shields in Wasteland could have originated from jellyfish !

Look at their center, sun symbols on yellow diamond...

[keen shore]

I saw that too!! It is a really neat observation, although I should mention, it is possible that instead of the sun symbol being based off jellyfish, jellyfish were designed to look like that in order to follow the whole theme of light creature visual language.

however it makes sense in universe & I can see it :] my only question is why jellyfish specifically would be important enough to be a symbol for that?

[untold notch]

tsadi thought they were neat

[keen shore]

I think jellyfish are sacred creatures in at least forest, I’m just wondering why they would’ve been used as a symbol for the entire light hmmm

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps they were just looking for symbols for light and Rain gestured at the jellyfish all “it looks like a sun on their head” and everyone else was like “why do you keep coming up with good ideas?” and they went with it

[bronze arch]

Where is that first pic in the Sikhara image?

[soft timber]

flies into here, hitting a wall There got to be at least one instance where either one of the Valley twins have yeeted something at such a high velocity that the object in question broke the sound barrier

[bronze arch]

Absolutely (also I love ur pfp )

[soft timber]

Thankie!!

[austere bridge]

just:
yah YEET
NO WAIT DONT D-
sonic boom

[south oracle]

accidentally causes an avalanche...again

[rigid mural]

Crab are corrupted jellyfish theory = they could have been common in the Wasteland ?

[bronze arch]

Sahmekh: *hits a puck so hard it launches into space and breaks the sound barrier*
Vesper: Holy-
Daleth: Not again.
Ayin:
Teth: *unamused*
*sonic boom*
Tsadi: *concerned*
Lamed: *wakes up*
Resh/Alef: How many times do I have to tell you?

[torn eagle]

i think jellies as a whole are sacred... king jellies residing only in eden so far makes it plausible

(ping off)

[nimble ingot]

That is the third time, documented by random skykids.

[torn eagle]

usually the eye is the center of the storm

makes me think is eden not the place but rather the name of the storm?

wait I think I didnt turn ping off.... sorryyyy

[soft timber]

Me: fear

[bronze arch]

It’s the VoTriNDSS (Valley of Triumph Natural Disasters Skykid Society) who documents all the avalanches in the V. of Triumph.

[keen shore]

I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GOOD POINT imagining wasteland filled with jellyfish…

[untold notch]

spiritually I am a jellyfish
what

[keen shore]

this is funny knowing that rains hair resembles a jellyfish and so it’s like. Their realm Creature :]

[austere bridge]

tbh it’s kinda silly hearing people refer to forest elder as rain b/c that’s the name of one of my discord art frens (not the rain in here tho)

[keen shore]

there’s a rain in here?

[untold notch]

there is probably at least one rain in this discord server

[violet sundial]

Also jellyfish have a square(or octagon)-like shape on their bell but 6 tentacles and it Bugs Me a Bit ngl

[snow cosmos]

there are at least two rains in fitchat alone i believe

[untold notch]

observation:your pfp is different from when I last saw you

[snow cosmos]

correct observation, it's part of a Vela doodle that includes my skysona Libra

[eternal totem]

When there's dark there's rain

[austere bridge]

love how many elder birds are in lorechat

[snow cosmos]

nesting grounds

[raw crypt]

short kings do not step into lorechat there are so many elder birds

[keen shore]

slander. i am short and have not been carried away thus far

[raw crypt]

yet

[austere bridge]

that, or you will disappear into the floof forever and never return

[snow cosmos]

i can change that

[untold notch]

I was gonna say smallem is under the protection of tallem but I guess that's not the case

[snow cosmos]

i will hold them like a longcat above everybody else
(i am not actually tall enough to do this)

[austere bridge]

we’ve been wondering where all of the elder birds are in sky. little did we know they were right here with us the whole time

[untold notch]

it's the thought that counts I think

[keen shore]

i trusted you…

[snow cosmos]

you can sit on top of my head to assert your dominance if it'll make you feel better

[austere bridge]

get held idiot /j

[keen shore]

OH I would love that. top tier

[snow cosmos]

tower of salem, salem^2

[eternal totem]

I get picked up like a worm into the sunset to never be seen again

[slate saffron]

With our powers combined, you just might be tall enough

take my legs, and a s c e n d

[untold notch]

stacking all the elder birds with the salems on top

[austere bridge]

i need to draw that and just have the only caption be “lorechat.”
a random moff is gonna be there too. (strega)

[slate saffron]

I've made a religion once

We worshiped the sun god 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[austere bridge]

like megabird or just straight up the sun god
||I hope it’s not the radiance||

[snow cosmos]

that is not what i was expecting but somehow not surprising

[slate saffron]

We never really referred to them by any particular name besides just... the Sun God

They didn't need any other name
They were no icon
They were no singular mind
They were no shallow being, who so foolishly claims dominion over the magnitude of the light

they were the sun
They were the Sun God

It was a lot of fun 👍

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the kingdom is called “Eden”, so the “Eye of Eden” is the center of everything. Also, the Eye of Eden is high above all other places, allowing for you to easily see what’s going on in the Sky world. It’s like an eye with how useful it is for seeing stuff

[lean kayak]

Wow ive nevwr thought of the entire sky kingdom being called eden

[sharp lichen]

It has a nice ring to it

[rigid mural]

I can change that

[rustic glen]

https://twitter.com/DARKDOG15566158/status/1578445379464351745?t=_3rDIu-Ud0sInCNl0adOng&s=33

[keen shore]

Thanks Jaime, weeping now

[rustic glen]

Same here my friend 🥹🥹

[torn eagle]

.... guess time to sink in another contemplation, thanks jaime

[pastel brook]

Don't count on it

-strokes non-existent beard-

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[jaunty vale]

wow, their art is beautiful. thanks for sharing : )

[torn eagle]

Guessing so since light has different temperatures as implied by the jellyfish memory poem

[jade river]

holy, the last message here was 2 hours ago, this chat is dying

[potent sedge]

We need more theories! GO!

[south oracle]

Mantas have mouths, what do/did they eat?

[slate saffron]

Perhaps it's time to bring back Chat got Krilled?

We'd need a new host though, the old one is on an extended holiday

[pastel brook]

[rigid mural]

Dropping my creature evolution idea here before walking away to get food.

Lore chat tends to be quiet when nothing new has shown up & everyone is busy or sleeping at this hour.

[raw crypt]

not tgc dropping aurora stuff in a employee interview

[white junco]

insane

[keen shore]

IM LATE BECAUSE I FORGOT BUT I THINK ITS REALLY INTERESTING HOW OFTEN THIS PATTERN IS MIRRORED
our capes becoming increasingly complex (in beta la, I like to imagine it’s in canon too but can’t be shown cause of polygons), wasteland war masks, realm architecture & designs as you continue inwards towards the mountain,

[frigid tinsel]

I am looking with my eye

[rigid mural]

TGC YOUR BETA SPOILERS

[keen shore]

why do you only have one? suspicious.

[rigid mural]

Do we talk about them or ??? Cos it's kinda official but also I'd understand if this should stay in beta

[copper saffron]

Ayo wot where

[raw crypt]

https://youtu.be/Q1yAQxbZkQk tgc ur beta spoilers

[copper saffron]

LMAO

[compact shale]

Well

Since they got released in a public video

it's free real estate now?

[untold notch]

it's giving mischief ads revealing new content

[south oracle]

Unrelated, but I thought that the symbol above the beginning of eden was pretty neat

[sharp lichen]

I agree, it’s not really beta if it’s in the trailer itself, but I understand that some people don’t want to get spoiled

AURORA SPOILERS ABOUND
||So it seems like they’re making more complex quests in Isle! Also, the Skykid itself is a spirit that interacts with yellow sparkles. Considering how blue is the color of spirits and yellow is the color of corporeal entities, perhaps it’s a reverse reliving spirit memories, where we have to relive memories from the present/future? Also, Aurora’s like an opaque blue model, which makes me think it’s much different form the Prince spirit.||

AURORA SPOILERS ABOVE

[jade river]

megabird isnt real

[compact shale]

If you remember my speculations about AURORA being worshipped

does the new video contradict it, in your opinion?

[jade river]

we have no god

its just a galactic supercluster

[frigid tinsel]

There is scarcely any plot outlined in that video, just glimpses of a quest and a cutscene. It neither contradicts nor affirms anything

[sharp lichen]

Well, we do see ||the spirits praying at the very end||

[shy fulcrum]

Anyone kind enough to fill me up on the theory of MegaBirb?

[sharp lichen]

Explain all of this then

(Credit to dahlia)

[sharp lichen]

A supernatural light force that has some relation to the Kingdom of Sky. Nobody knows their exact power, but considering how much they appear, it’s thought to be high. (Check the image above)

[shy fulcrum]

So if there's a supernatural light force, then there should be another one of darkness, which corrupted the king or something?

[keen shore]

Not necessarily. Also the king getting corrupted isn’t canon

[shy fulcrum]

😮

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message a quick rundown on Megabird if you need it!

[sharp lichen]

Well look at the Eden diamond, that kinda sorta fills the role

@keen shore Isn’t confirmed canon. There’s a big difference. The way you worded it sounds like it’s impossible for it to exist in canon, when in reality it could or could not exist, we don’t know.

[shy fulcrum]

I thought the eden diamond was some sort of nuclear reactor that's melting down lol.

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Diamond is basically invincible, extremely large and powerful, and contains an unending amount of darkness. It’s mega powerful and the closest equivalent to the Megabird

[frigid tinsel]

the Eden diamond isn't an animate, conscious being. it's just a huge hunk of corrupted darkstone

[shy fulcrum]

Quite plausible arguments.

[white junco]

[slaps the eden diamond] this bad boy can fit so many elders in it [the diamond explodes]

[sharp lichen]

For both the Eden diamond and Megabird, we know nothing on if they’re even conscious or not

[jade river]

some symbols, the wls that all players have, some concept art that as far as im understood isnt canon (if wrong correct me) a symbol near office which i also think isnt canon if im conrrect

now my greatest point on why i believe the megabird isnt real mainly derives on how ancient civilizations saw the universe itself, seeing galacties as divine beings aka their creators

the theory of the megabird consists on the fact we all come from it, we are born its light and we come to the world, this can be easily seen as how from galacties bodies (galaxies, stars planets) can cause life to be born, meaning that well, we technically are born from the "megabird"

but the thing we call the megabird isnt an alive being, neither a god but just a galactic that can host life

i also use the examples of ancient mesopotamia and how they saw big stars as their gods lmao

but hey its just a theory, A GAME THEORY (my theory)

[sharp lichen]

Office isn’t canon, though it’s arguable to whether the space near it is. And considering the huge amount of symbolism in the game regarding Megabird (including recent seasons like Flight), it’s obvious that TGC is hinting that Megabird has some importance

[jade river]

indeed, religious importance, however we have no confirmation of it being real/alive/conscious

this is why i think of "megabird" as an interpretation of the universe through the eyes of skykids/spirits

thats pretty much why i believe megabird isnt like real, atleast not a living being but smth which thought to be a living being

skykids and spirits give importance to the light, what has tons of light, the universe, stars, galaxies, in them we have life, it makes sense they could see this things and think of them as their creators/gods

but hey its a just a theory, A game theory

[sharp lichen]

no get back here we need to debate Megabird theology or something

[jade river]

agreed, we need to discuss abt the truth of the megabird interpretation

no kissing tonight honey, i need to debate about sky lore with strangers online

[formal badge]

no romance, only sky

[compact shale]

Hahhahahaaha, Megabird

My opinion on them has changed a lot

I've swung from morally grey megabird to slightly better megabird to morally superior megabird a lot

[sharp lichen]

You can agree that the concept of Megabird exists definitively, both in-universe and by TGC. Are concepts real? I say they do

[shy fulcrum]

It's an interesting athiestic theory, but then again Sky is about spiritual beings and such. Since almost nothing is technically confirmed canon, that approach is still plausible

[white junco]

i don't megabird as a conscious being as much as they are a concept. we are all one within the Light, and together our souls make up Megabird. they're basically the rebirth cycle

[jade river]

i agree that the concept is indeed real, i never denied it or i wasnt clear when stating it lol

i deny however, its interpretations as a living being or as a god, i mainly see it as just an interpretation, just like religions

[jade river]

sky indeed has a strong spiritual side and if TGC confirms or denies my theories then so be it

ngl i did word my "megabird isnt real" just to trigger some debate before truly sliding my theory

causing mayhem thats what i do

[jade river]

yea it makes sense to see it that way

in the end we do ascend back to the light and skykids to ascend and become stars, adding up to this galactic structure we call "Megabird"

[frigid tinsel]

while yes, some pieces of concept likely isn't canon, that is something you have assess by comparing those concepts to Live. as Baud said, there are a lot of in-game evidence to Megabird's existence. thus we can supplement concept art to further define Megabird. there, Megabird is depicted as a conscious, acting being. yes, Megabird is depicted as a supercluster, the culmination of all light, perhaps even the Light. and since beings of light like skykids and ancestor spirits are conscious, surely Megabird and the Light share that consciousness too.

my personal take is that the Light is a hivemind while Megabird is the Light's consciousness, the result of all beings of light within the Light and their experiences, memories, emotions, and consciousness. Megabird acts on behalf of the Light, though cannot directly interact upon the world, so They send down creations like the Elders or skykids to do Their bidding.

yet I am going to add this piece from Zhao's timeline that defines us as being part of Megabird. thus you could take it that Megabird is all of us in a panentheistic interpretation, or at least we are piece of Megabird. Megabird may not be a separate entity from the Light and simply just be another name for the Light or the light cycle.

as if you are only going to insert some asinine comment just to "trigger" lorechat, then you're a jerk. we seek to speak of Sky's lore in good faith, not with an ardent atheist and trolls.

[raw crypt]

YEAH SPADE SAID MY IDEAS BETTER

megabird is so silly like its so cool to imagine stars worshiping the galaxy they are a part of but also its a bird

[frigid tinsel]

"it's all bird?"
"always have been."

[rigid mural]

I share Spade's idea that while megabird might not be some kind of light creature like skykids or mantas, it's the embodiment of our unity in the Light with the Light.

[jade river]

ive been called an atheist troll lmao

the point was not to offend people but to bring a different point of view of a theory that has been widely accepted and by some considered canon

but hey its just a theory, we still dont know whats canon or not

[sharp lichen]

I’m going to support your point and say that concept art, although not canon in most cases, can still be used to interpret and see how Sky’s major concepts were more directly explained.

[jade river]

Lucho: wait its all bird?

TGC loading light gun: always has been

[frigid tinsel]

there's suggesting alternate theories that are plausible and then there is constantly being the devil's advocate just for the lolz. why do you think Megabird has been widely accepted? because it is plausible. simply saying that Megabird is not real cos I said so is not an appropriate means of conversation

[sharp lichen]

Although, if we’re to follow Tom Zhao for evidence, then I’m a bit worried, since Megabird and the King would be at the same level

[frigid tinsel]

no it wouldn't. Megabird and the king are separate ideas. TGC is free to take any ideas from Zhao's pool and leave some to sit unused.

[jade river]

my theory is mostly based on comparison between what is spirit/skykid society and the beliefs of ancient civilization, while yeah i did indeed said it initially with a "funny" intention i still just said what ive concluded after my good time studying sky's lore

i do know the megabird theory is plausible and is believed by many but that isnt a reason to call my thoughts "it isnt cos i said so"

but hey its just a theory a game theory

[white junco]

well yea it's a theory this is the theory chat

[raw crypt]

it is? /j

[rigid mural]

no way theories in the lore theory chat

[sharp lichen]

Megabird and the King are both entities whose presence is mostly implied through symbols ( and ), so we can assess the King by comparing the concept arts to Live

[jade river]

even if i did "troll" lets not devolve into invalidating ourselves, we do lore cos its fun, we arent owners of truth

in da end

we dont know whats canon lets just think our theories :D

[formal badge]

when theories are in the theory chat 🤯

[jade river]

yeah i agree "Megabird" and the king of the spirits are indeed separate beings

even if both are light, they're still separate and i atleast think they have different objectives

if megabird has an objective

[eternal totem]

Me when theory 🤯

[formal badge]

me when i see theory

[jade river]

this is now canon for me

this is how the world of sky fell

[south oracle]

Resh was just a darkstone salesman

[rigid mural]

Resh olive garden wedding

[keen shore]

this is true, however it is kinda rude to bait people into a debate in the way you did, just so you know !

[jade river]

my man wanted to sell big rock

little did they know, big rock was secretly a nuke

[rigid mural]

Dark do you still have the reshdi divorce selfie ?

[eternal totem]

Yea

[white junco]

bless

[jade river]

well, i still think the best lore discussion comes from presenting new ideas and POV's

next time ill drop the theory all together 😎 👍

[rigid mural]

Dark I owe you my life

[eternal totem]

You will

[jade river]

the king signing the declaration of war against its opposition -3 years before the eden storm

[south oracle]

Breaking news: Resh's latest divorce - the eden diamond
boom

[eternal totem]

No these are the divorce papers

[white junco]

the king can write??

[keen shore]

Oh you’re right about presenting new ideas, just the way you phrased your initial post made it sound like you were being confrontational about it. We get a fair number of people in here who like to post ideas similar to that and insist they’re canon/correct so it can be hard to tell sometimes if they’re not being fully serious, plus many of us are neurodivergent and struggle with tone. I get you I’m just mentioning that in the future

[jade river]

canonically confirmed divorce papers❓ ❗

[eternal totem]

Yea I'm TGC

[jade river]

yeah i understand, we good and we lore

[jade river]

OMG TGC BRING YETI

[eternal totem]

No ❤️

[jade river]

😠

[frigid tinsel]

thinking of the theory that Chosen One/king claimed the Light symbol as their own to claim legitimacy, do you think they kinned Megabird? like had a Megabird fursona?

[compact shale]

OH ALASDAIR

HHGANGGNGGHGHGH

[jade river]

LMAO MEGABIRD FURSONA

I BELIEVE IT, 100% CANON

[rigid mural]

I think the king would have a wolf fursona tbh