beta-discussion

[coral cosmos]

the shard questgiver doesn't exactly resemble the shards that fall in realms or grow on lightless bodies but what it does look very similar to is the distant diamond in eden 🤔

it is literallyjust a diamond though. im thinking too much into this it's four am

[visual ocean]

So.... There's SOMEONE in the EDEN CRYSTAL!? AND THAT'S WHY the kids are going THROWS the shard!?

And died there

[eager harness]

I just left a huge feedback on the troubles of this season and how I and others want to quit. These changes are just too much and it all needs to be fixed.

[half nest]

are the shards still in the same place in hermit as before? or did they move

[visual ocean]

Still the same

[dreamy grail]

@rapid crane people tried telling you twice in screenshots channel, and you hadn't listened. The shard is in Hermit Valley which is assessed through either the wind paths, or through area.

[scarlet hemlock]

stiill tehre

[fervent patrol]

Ooh, that used to be one of the popular theories in lore chat

[maiden pond]

Care to send me a copy of your feedback about what you sent to feedback? I am analyzing and trying to collect beta tester's data and come up with my own ideas and opinions that I hope at least new and experienced players will feel satisfied with. While I'm not a beta tester myself, I'm trying to help you guys out by understanding your frustrations.

[past nebula]

Where are shards?

[visual ocean]

Hermit in dreams

[rapid crane]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[woeful obsidian]

Where today?

[dreamy grail]

If you read the channel, I'd just said where literally two minutes ago ._.

[visual ocean]

Please be kind.

[visual ocean]

Also the shard is in hermit in dreams area

[cursive tinsel]

I agree that having hard to reach or find WL adds to the sense of exploration

And it's not an issue if you can go back to get them

But right now in beta I can't find a reliable way to go back to these ancient memories of the current quest and certainly no way go back and relive previous if you realise you missed the WL

[maiden pond]

This goes for any beta tester here, if you guys want to voice out your frustrations to a non-beta player who wants to collect data for the sole intent of improving the existing features right now in beta, go for it, I'm looking into a career with TGC (thinking on it right now) and I want to be a test analyst type of person for them, and I enjoy hearing what other people think and trying to form a solution to each and every one of people's voices and opinions, I want to prove that this community and its developers can work alongside each other to come towards a solution to the current problems in beta.

[visual ocean]

Hmmmmm you know, i think it would be easier if we can actually "revisit the memory" then it would save us time for waiting for the shard event to happen

I think

[young chasm]

ohhhh okay, thank you for explaining the issue at hand, y'all keep doing the amazing work that keeps this game great!

[visual ocean]

Unpopular opinion... I think they spend most of their money on season of performance-

And the leftovers on season of Shattering -

Cuz Season of Performance is amazing tho
High quality story and spirits

[agile hazel]

Performance and Anniversary event got all the attention. Shattering and Rainbow are the leftovers

[coral cosmos]

to be honest i think the problem is what comes after season of shattering. like the big collab they've been hyping up for the end of the year kind of overshadows development on the current season

[visual ocean]

I guess we found TGC least favorite season then-

/J

[agile hazel]

I wouldn't mind that if it was at least communicated to us

[spark lance]

the last quest is coming in 6 days, lets hope its different

[maiden pond]

So you guys say all the quests are involve just burning darkness?

[visual ocean]

I can predict elysian losing its marbles if it's the loop again- .... Most of us actually

[steady flume]

they introduced new mechanics and changed the whole pnr section by a lot . The cosmetics are also great imo. whether it's in a good way or not is a whole different thing, but I wouldn't exactly call it leftovers from performance.
that being said I hope we'll get some more variety for the quests

[visual ocean]

It's a repeating cycle of the same thing over and over again

To the point we want something new at least but didn't happen. Yet

[coral cosmos]

yeah, it's exactly the same quest over and over again, save for the end memory. it's just burning darkness around fallen shards and its boring and repetitive

[fervent ridge]

I genuinely question what does exactly seen the memories tries to say, what's the message behind or probably it's just to vague

[visual ocean]

Welp I'ma sleep now, night y'all

[maiden pond]

Taking notes.

[coral cosmos]

sky lore is meant to be intentionally vague and left up to the player's interpretation but yeah the memories are ridiculous. this season hasn't delivered much of anything about lore yet 😔

[maiden pond]

Would you guys like it if I came up with ideas to change all the quests except for the first one involving burning the darkness away?

[tropic radish]

There is a good difference between interesting vague and blurry vague

[wary star]

idk about you guys but prays for beta invite (and has been for 3 years)

[languid bear]

At least I strongly agree...I wanted an element that I could avoid, run, and adventure more independently. In that sense, the prophecy quest was better.
Melting the darkness is the duty of the usual candle run, so the originality of the season quest is greatly low And this form of quest is even more problematic because many people are tired of repeated candle runs.

[wary star]

it's also kinda been 3 months since the last one

plEASE BETA INVITE

[spark lance]

ngl the shattering quests are as boring as enchantment and sanc quests

[quiet obsidian]

at this point, id go as far as to say they're worse

[languid bear]

And i thought " is this the only idea for this season quest?". It's really boring and worst compared with season atmosphere

[wary star]

angst in sky when

[maiden pond]

I don't have much data to work with right now, all I'm currently focused mainly on is the crawling/knocked down system, but I will eventually get around to forming up ideas to how to make the quests different, and all while keeping the shard events still a thing that players can do IF they wish to do so. It should be an optional thing and as for new players too, I will formulate my own ideas and gather opinions. I'm sorry you guys aren't quite liking what this season is offering so far, and I am very passionate about this game, and to see the state it's in right now in beta makes me sad, I would love to help.

[ember cedar]

does anyone know where the shards are?

[spark lance]

hermit

[quiet obsidian]

hermit valley iirc

[calm sequoia]

ahh i cant rewatch the memory and visit the whales insides ;/

[tropic radish]

At least enchantment had the Riddle thing going for it
And sanct has visual clues
Shattering literally lacks any sort of clue or riddle at all-

[cursive tinsel]

The prophecy murals are vague but you can still relate to the sky kid and see that they go on a journey/transformation

[white latch]

i hope the dev is planning something very big

[tropic radish]

I'm going to clap for the seasons atmosphere ( and the Eden erruptions affecting visuals ). But that's just about it

[maiden pond]

Let's see now, I'm going to use an old idea of mine about a season that took place in Eden or Golden Wasteland that introduces a new dark creature that relies on hearing to detect and attack a player, but it cannot see, similar to how the regular Dark Dragons cannot hear. Maybe make a new area underground in Wasteland or Eden that houses these dangerous creatures, and is dark inside, but fire sources emit a faint glow so you can at least make out what the room and dangers it has inside it. What if, for the second quest, the void of shattering gives you a riddle that tells you of an ancient secret or something vital to the storyline of Sky, such as the ability to be granted the Elder hair protection that used to be in beta before? I noticed you guys liked that feature, so why not make it return in the form of a quest?

I feel like to make this season different, I would think that each quest you complete grants you more and more protection against the darkness, therefore giving you an advantage in the quests later on, and Eden in general.

[white latch]

if there any dark creature that can hear but cant see

[maiden pond]

Well, I made up this idea in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived a while back, about a creature in a room similar to a Dark Dragon where the main quest of it was to free the imprisoned creatures of Light and avoid alerting the creatures within there, the room had lots of noisy things you could step on, and even doing calls could alert the Dark creature to your position.

[late sonnet]

minecraft warden

[fair mural]

When I chat or meditate, it keeps getting out of the game. What should I do?

[maiden pond]

Well, good luck beta testers on the updates, in the meantime I'll try to gather more info, knowledge, voices, opinions, anything that may help in the next step of creating different new quests. I'll keep you guys updated when I'm ready to share my thoughts with you all, and I'll happily forward them to feedback once I get your guys's approval. Because if anything, player feedback is more vital to my own opinions so I can form the best feedback voicing everyone's thoughts and voices.

[cursive tinsel]

Remember to voice your own on what you see. It doesn't need to be a collaborative representation of all our thoughts
But discussing different ideas to help form you own opinion is great

[maiden pond]

By the way, how many quests are there currently for the season in beta? Gotcha, will work on ideas now.

[languid bear]

In the 5th quest, I will be disappointed if the quest is not in a new format.

[broken fractal]

So I found 1 star in the whale's memory. But I see others also found 1 in manta's memory. Does this mean we got 2 different star or its the same star?

[agile hazel]

You'll be disappointed

[languid bear]

As soon as I did the first quest, I was so nervous about boredom that I sent feedback on the quest, but there was no change in format , and melting the darkness...Melting the darkness... Oh...

[agile hazel]

Friend found one in crab, so there's likely 1wl in all memories now

[broken fractal]

👀 wow! But I've been unable to revisit the memories if I want to find them. Bug?

[cursive tinsel]

So it has to be a bug that we can't relive/revisit the memory from the QG then

Edit : snap

[broken fractal]

Now I really want to know if anyone can found 1 in krill's memories

[maiden pond]

Okay guys, I would like to share with you my ideas on the first two quests in a different format. So please be prepared for a big text wall, I'm sorry if it will take up most of the chat, but I hope you guys can give me your input because I took your guys's feedback to heart and I know you guys don't want to keep doing the same thing each time.

[torn girder]

i haven’t done fifth quest yet so i wanna check if there is any wl in krills

[maiden pond]

Quest 1: The Eye of Eden has erupted shards of darkness across all the realms. Go with your friends to help cleanse the darkness and prevent the spread of it. Starting from Daylight Prairie to Vault of Knowledge, players are tasked with finding and cleansing the darkness spread across the Sky kingdom. Every time a player successfully cleanses the darkness from a realm, the player will need to travel to the next realm (cannot go home or it will cancel the quest entirely.) Once the player completes the quest, they are rewarded with a heart and introduced to the winged light automatically as a reward for their efforts. And from now on, as a daily task, there will now be shards that fall in one realm a day that will at least reward a player 3 candles regardless of chevron level, even if the player has capped out for that day, and an average chance at getting 5 ascended candles instead. Any player that has not yet completed Eye of Eden will automatically be alerted in their inbox that in order to activate the Season of Shattering, they must complete the Eye of Eden at least once. New players will not be able to see or partake in the shard events and will not be hurt nor can they see the shards, so they may see a bunch of players burning nothing, but they will understand later what they are doing once they complete Eden.

Quest 2: The Void of Shattering senses a great treasure of the Elders that was long forgotten, until now. Visit the Golden Wasteland's new underground cavern and investigate the rumors. Beware of the creatures that lurk inside, and save as many creatures of Light you can find to be rewarded with wax and a chance of ascended candle wax. Don't make too much noise... they will come for you. Upon completing the quest, the player will find a room that houses a winged light, 3 candle cakes, and a mysterious artifact that houses an ancient power of the Elders called the Elder diamond. It was thought to have given the Elders power long ago, but maybe it can still be of use to you? (Grants the player a shield buff that protects against one attack from a Dark Dragon, but the shield will automatically break and cannot be restored until the player exits the area and enters a new one. It will also shield the player from losing their winged light from dark water, rain in the forest, or drowning by first having the player either lose all their wing power or oxygen meter, and began decreasing the shield icon, then after that, the player will begin to lose their light, and then winged light once the above conditions have been met.)

I'm so sorry for the text wall guys, I hope you can forgive me, I just hope this sits well with you guys in terms of gameplay mechanics and replayability. If it does, I'll submit it to feedback.

[hollow compass]

I think it’s always best to just trust your own instincts and not ask for approval from others.

[eager harness]

Is there a wl now in every memory? I’m confused by something someone said.

[maiden pond]

You think so? Like, call me crazy, but I value hearing what other people think anyways.

Also, I haven't written out the rest of the quests yet, but if I were to submit this to feedback, it would take me at least 3 messages to send due to Discord having a message limit unfortunately.

[hollow compass]

Approval and opinions are not the same thing, or they don’t take each other out. I was just wanting to cheer you on, meaning you don’t need our approval to send that to feedback.

[cobalt jacinth]

This would be a great #wishlist-and-ideas-archived idea without beta spoilers but seeing many shard bugs and need of other polishes having about 3 weeks being left from beta testing I see zero chance for such big changes

[maiden pond]

Yeah, you're right. We can't expect TGC to do ALL the work here. I mean, they are a small company and they have lives outside of their jobs... Damn.

[cobalt jacinth]

I personally like the various memories without spoonfed storyline anyway

[hollow compass]

They’re not a small company, though. But seasons take a long time to develop and fine tune.

[maiden pond]

Yeah, so even if I were to cram all the quests in my own version of how they should work, and knowing there's 6 quests right now, it'd take me 3 messages to send approximately if I write up text walls like I just did. Still think it's a stretch TGC would go as far as to rewrite and rework the quests entirely should they think my ideas are good enough for them to consider.

[hollow compass]

I liked the cave idea. But yeah, probably not going to happen this time around.

[maiden pond]

Yeah, unfortunate... I guess I never knew how much time there was left and how much time and effort they'd need to rework and tune up everything IF they used my ideas, not saying they will because my ideas are just as important as other people's.

I legit just began brainstorming and writing up ideas on a note on my phone and got excited to share them, cause I like when other people besides TGC look over my ideas.

[dreamy grail]

@eager harness in response to the ping in screenshots chat, I already completed the 4 quests and with this reset it unlocked the 5th one. Revealing we have 6 total quests this season as well

[crimson nimbus]

Hello. I would like to ask if its a bug that we cant see the ulti items from the guide???

[cobalt jacinth]

I have been a fan of Sky as daily player for more than 1,5 years. I loved it, I defended TGC decisions countless times.
But insanity is coming in season of shattering both psychologically and inwardly. You can't pick up lost winged lights, Skykids literally suffer. Eden became a helpless slow frustration.
I came to Sky for the warm environment, to chill with friends. In this chilling environment some exciting shards cleaning and the idea of making Sky a clean place again is fun. But not being able to recollect lost wings in realms because I see my Skykid not able to get up, and slowly crawling dying in Eden (whereas I understand Eden's lore which is fine) are like cold shower to my emotions which seems to be permanent as a new "feature" like shared spaces. I came to Sky for chilling, not helpless horror. Note: I have no issues with the season or as a Stranger Things lover with mild horror, shattering has great potential, but I find the permanent avatar behavior mechanics very inconvenient.
Those who keep pushing crawl and being stunt locked (not able to get up) not voting to remove them at the company need emotional introspection. Why do one thinks emotional suffering is necessary for them, and for others who didn't choose to have it - is an interesting and important question. Because this is psychological projection, not a game addition. This direction goes against my view of the game and view of the world. I'm quitting for uncertain time, see you everyone!

[dreamy grail]

#beta-known-issues its stated that they'll be fixed in a future update, likely Monday or Tuesday, unless we get another later today

[eager harness]

Oh okay!! Thank you so much for replying. I’m doing the next available quest today. I think that is #5? I love these memories. But is there supposed to be a WL in each one?

[dreamy grail]

Apparently so, it was recently discovered after the latest build ^^

[crimson nimbus]

Alrighty. Thank youu

[half nest]

i was at the krill memory but didn't have enough wings to be able to see if there were any wl in that memory
couldn't use the shared memory recharge glitch either

[smoky trench]

You should take on and off breaks from the game mate, just untill the season is over, I'm sure this season will satisfy the people who wanted a dark season! Next NEXT season I'm sure will be brite and crazy ❤️

[maiden pond]

I sympathize with you deeply on this, I think we both know that according to the game's rating featuring mild horror and fear themes, this season and the new system, while the idea seems nice on an emotional and psychological level, is not executed well like you said. Sky is meant to be a relaxing game just like you said, and I actually enjoying helping players out when they need help, either doing tasks or when they've simply lost their light. It's a great feeling, but the fact that you've shared about how it being helpless in the process greatly concerns me.

[dreamy grail]

@spark lance sorry for the belated ping, but were you the dude who was capeless who came from Dreams up to the shard just after reset this morning?
Either way was fun helping the 4 of us recharge and recover from the crabs attacking us all
(In response to screenshot channel response by you)

[eager harness]

Thank you so much. I’ll have to check them out again!

[cobalt jacinth]

I have no issues with the season. Moreover I rate it 8/10 (without bugs).
The issue making me step away is the permanent game mechanism which will stay

[spark lance]

yes that was me, with two friends got attacked yeah it was really fun, especially when you click take screenshot, omg that sound

[smoky trench]

Aw mate haha, I hope everything works out for you!

[hollow compass]

I’m so sad to hear that.

[maiden pond]

I am as well, I really hope TGC can rework and retune this feature entirely to be fair for beginner and experienced players.

[split wave]

I mean, no one saying the season will start like how the other seasons start. I'd rather have a delayed season than a buggy one

[oak field]

many people have reported crashing, but TGC doesn't fix it, why tgc?

[spark lance]

I hope the devs know that we don't mind them taking their time with next season. Live players would also appreciate the season break

[agile hazel]

Because it takes time to fix, and more often than not there's only 1-2 people who can do it

[oak field]

If this continues to happen live, I'm sure there will be a lot of people reporting crashes

[split wave]

This is tgc's most problematic season imo if not season, than update 👀

[dull kestrel]

what's yall opinion for the crawling feature?

[oak field]

They will spam the official group about crashing in the next update

[naive solar]

I think it needs a ton of adjustments

[dull kestrel]

agreed

[split wave]

Lmao, remember in sanctuary how android users couldn't get on? That, but a different season

[quaint anchor]

anyone knowing where the darkness is today?

[oak field]

I know, but TGC doesn't mention crashing as a bug, doesn't mention crashing in known issues

[hasty vessel]

The meditate at the end of the race quest, do you actually have to complete a race to unlock it? I tried the shortcut through dreams village but couldn’t find it 😵‍💫

[agile hazel]

The majority of things aren't mentioned in known-issues for some reason

[half nest]

hermit valley, same place as last time! (area leading to the wind paths entrance/exit)

[oak field]

I wish more people reported crashing, looks like TGC needs a lot to report before they will fix it or wait on live

[torn girder]

i did the quest but nothing happeneddd why😭

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[spark lance]

Is the new race mechanic also meant to be permanent? (If you don't collect light, you'll hv to redo whole race?)
I couldn't test bcz i couldn't proceed valley further than social space.
I hope this is a bug, cuz if they intent to make the race like that... Hahaha... And the new injure mechanic..? They might be testing how patient are the beta tester.. really..

[torn girder]

i’m pretty sure you redo only the part in the coliseum, don’t you?

[late sonnet]

The race mechanic of not being able to collect the candle at the end if you didn't pick up the light during the race has always been in the game

[half nest]

it's only the part in the coliseum - you need to collect all the lights within the coliseum before time runs out, otherwise it will give you "the light has faded, let's try again" message and restart that specfic section.

[dire cove]

Yall has the price for the headphones in days of rainbow are decided yet or is it still set as "free"

[torn girder]

is that a bug that today’s shard quests didn’t work for me or i have to also pick 5th quest to be able to finish it? i really want to check krill memory first so i didn’t touch 5th quest yet

[eager harness]

So I just did the last quest that is available and while living the memory, I found a wl. I’m guessing the rumors might be correct that there is one in every memory.

[cursive tinsel]

I tried 3 times yesterday after completing the 4th quest days before and got the krill memory once when it meditated alone
So a bug?
Might be worth another try if you want to try checking the krill again

[spark lance]

why so many people using kazuna ai honk in beta these 2 days is there its a bug or something or it might comes back?

[hollow compass]

There is a pin for it, but it has a cooldown, so if someone is spamming it you can report them.

[spark lance]

and u have any idea how to get that honk?

[hollow compass]

I just wrote how...

[spark lance]

ahh my bad xD

[pale junco]

So... all we are getting is creature statues as cutscenes.💀
Tgc doing the bare minimum with lore again

[maiden pond]

I think I've finished writing my version of what I think the quest revisions should be, although 2 of the 6 quests will be slight repeats, I think it is better than have to keep on burning darkness every single quest. As long as it is though and as much as it needs revised and reworked to fit my idea should they even consider it, would it be worth sending to feedback anyways considering there's only like a few weeks of testing left for you guys?

Are you guys sure? It's extremely long... Welp. I'll have to send multiple messages in feedback then.

[cursive onyx]

So I just did the last quest that is available and while living the memory, I found a wl. I’m guessing the rumors might be correct that there is one in every memory.
@eager harness I looked all over the krill area (4th quest). Spent like 20 minutes flying around. Went on to every krill. If there is one, it’s hidden very well.

[bitter river]

Does anyone know where the eden rock goes in valley if not in dreams?

[cursive tinsel]

Hermits valley

[bitter river]

Thank you very much

[maiden pond]

Gosh darn, I have to wait 6 minutes and 55 seconds to send another message in feedback. I need to send at least 2 more I think to fully submit my feedback.

[mental ridge]

I had the same problem a long time ago, and I remember I wrote that feedback in a separate software, took a screenshot/screenshots of the text and sent it that way all at once.

[maiden pond]

I wish I thought of that. Oh well, just one more message to send and I'll be done.

[spark lance]

if the shiny boi is inside the whale, does that mean the whale eats children?

[naive solar]

enough internet for me today

goodbye

[brave edge]

The shards are in dreams right?

EDIT: THANKSSS

[spark lance]

hermit valley

[hasty vessel]

There is comcept art that shows that some fish creatures were used for transportation, it could have held cargo in it’s mouth.

[spark lance]

Hi

[white latch]

the first time i encounter a giant whale after finishing the fifth quest, i legit thought it was Eden king castle, i was screaming happily until realization

[elder inlet]

also,since we cant revisit the memory for now does that mean no extra shiny boi

[spark lance]

Can I ask something in case anyone download Sky China version can anyone please help me because I have trouble logging in

[half nest]

this is a server for the global version, not the netease version

[spark lance]

Ah Ok thank you sorry is there a server for the version?

[hollow compass]

Discord is not allowed in China.

[white latch]

wait really? didnt know it was banned in china

[spark lance]

Ah ok thank you so much

[trim spade]

There might be another social media for netease version, in Chinese though

[steady pond]

weibo might be a better place to go look for stuff like that, netease sky has an official account on weibo

[kindred fossil]

Weibo, Lofter, QQ, etc…

[spark lance]

Oh really can I DM you please

Oki thank you all appreciate it ❤️

[trim spade]

Eh I don’t really know bruh. I think you can ask a Chinese player either in global or beta, they might know

[spark lance]

Ok thank you

[limpid crown]

I wish there's way to revisit the past memories 😭

[trim spade]

Yeah me too. There’s a wl in one of the memories. If the seasonal quests were different, maybe we could revisit them after completing them over and over like Dreams quests

[chrome ivy]

https://m.weibo.cn/u/6355968578
This is what you want for

[torn girder]

waiiit, if i’d done shard quest earlier and i wasn’t able to meditate because it was bugged, and now after completing it again i can’t meditate. does it mean that you can meditate only once? why there is only 1 shard quest smh

[wraith lion]

How do you do the second quest of the season?

[trim spade]

Find a shard and burn the plants around it, then you do a game of collecting light fragments

[wraith lion]

Is that for all the quests?

[vital crystal]

Prairie temple roof eden doesn't have eruption animation

[grave jetty]

There are two types of shards: red and black. Red shards have crab guards, give you ACs, and let you meditate. Black shards have NO guards, give you lots of normal wax, but won't let you meditate. If you're trying to do a quest, you need red shards.

[torn girder]

i know which shards are which. today shards give eden candles and i’ve done this quest earlier but it bugged so i wasn’t able to meditate to the !!memory!! not the flying quest itself. i’m guessing you can’t teleport to the guide again if you’d done the quest earlier

[shell idol]

Does anyone know the location of the 5th season quest?

[dreamy grail]

Today's shard location is Hermit Valley to the right of cave that has the cake inside it

[shell idol]

Hermit Valley?

[dreamy grail]

Look in screenshots channel, one sec

(FYI it's the place where the "admire Rainbow" quest was in Valley)

[trim spade]

The pretty cloudy slope you go to from dreams

[brazen gorge]

I wouldn’t have figured this out myself

[dreamy grail]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

⬆️ shard location

[shell idol]

Is it the summit of riding a gondola from the city of Yumekai?

[dreamy grail]

You ride the gondola from Village of Dreams up to the valley, the one that's next to the candle cake then the boat behind the pillar with the wing on top of it

[willow siren]

Guys... i'm about to open my beta, please tell me that the new mission is not about burning plants AGAIN

[hollow compass]

It is about burning plants again.

[shell idol]

I see, OK, I'll go for the time being ☺️Thank you

[dreamy grail]

Next shard lands in two minutes peeps

[oak remnant]

Can't even enter hermit without crashing 🤩

[dreamy grail]

I feel like the 6th (final) quest will be unique at least (I hope at least). We will be seeing a new build either later today or maybe Monday, this should reveal our F2P UG as well I think

[willow siren]

I hope so, i really loved everything about this season and especially the memories but the process to be able to see them is always the same, which makes it repetitive and boring

[dreamy grail]

The term for that is known as "monotonous"
And I agree

[keen dawn]

Are there winged lights in each memory? Cause i found 1 in the 3rd memory

[agile hazel]

So far we have confirmation on crab, manta and whale wl

[dreamy grail]

I believe it's only one extra wing for the season but it's available in each memory until you claim one of them?

[keen dawn]

I see thank you

[lilac epoch]

Zomg finally finished transferring everything to a new phone, Sky accounts included. Yooo, what did I miss between now and about 9hrs ago? Haha any new bugs besides ult rewards missing and darkness plants resetting at the shards?

[dreamy grail]

The 5th quest released and there being a sixth quest in a week. Nothing new really

[lilac epoch]

Oooh lemme go do the quest! gosh pls let this phone fit into my controller or there will be hell to pay

[floral sage]

Where is the Valley shard? I can’t seem to find it

[gilded parrot]

Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve after getting an answer here Remember to read all of #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too in case it's mentioned there!

[craggy bloom]

Is bug report bot broken?

[terse yarrow]

And I'm stuck at the 3rd quest

[spark lance]

are the shards at hermit valley?

[lilac epoch]

Yikes O.o

[stark cloud]

Dang it, I climbed the whale until the top of the tail, took screenshot, crashed

[spark lance]

Thank you so much😊

[grave jetty]

Found a WL in the Whale memory. It's somewhere on the huge whale in the center (tough to tell exactly where when everything's black). I had to use an antigrav potion to get high enough. Screenshot incoming, though it's not very good because I was a dork and didn't think to take it before starting the process of getting the child.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/984824024418881566/SKY_20220610_101458_.jpg

[shadow stratus]

I really wonder how we will get these wings back if we die

[grave jetty]

I'm assuming that at some point they'll hook up the "View this memory again?" dialogs for the quest guide. Currently they do nothing at all, but it would make sense for them to take you to the memory rooms.

[split comet]

where on the map are today's shards?

[shadow stratus]

Would make sense because the "shard guide" is also in every room

[grave jetty]

So if there are WLs in the Manta and Whale memories, should we be looking for WLs in all the other memories too?

[shadow stratus]

So i guess after the season ends in case we miss the wings, we would have to do a mission to go to the void and change it

[lucid dust]

I came here looking for the beta invites so i can get in
Can anyone help me?

[grave jetty]

Maybe. Supposedly the devs are still working out a solution.

[shadow stratus]

Maybe? If each memory have a wing it would be awesome for when it comes to live, easy 12 wedges

[vagrant fable]

Read #beta-faq
But invites are not scheduled and we don't know when they come out, only when devs need more testers

[edgy zinc]

Anyone still stuck on quest one, bc i do.

[elder inlet]

maybe its just me but i literally couldnt get past the last part of eden heading to pnr lmao- the wind felt like a windwall, did tgc really up the wind and then make us immediately vanish with one hit of those rocks

[strong sentinel]

Yeah, well....
After entering endless rain it's kinda easy when you're with friends.
But after 2/3 of the way its.... Kinda 50/50 chance if you just end up crawling on one spot because you're that slow for some reason. It was just simply irritating. I dived in hardest part with over 100 wingds but still didn't get last two status. While trying yo reach these two statues I wasted 40 wings just crawling.
F.
Feels kinda dumb tbh.

[elder inlet]

oh yeah i do agree with that but i meant along the way before you enter pnr, the wind seems to be a LOT stronger for some reason

[strong sentinel]

I mostly had troubles with crawling at the very end

Also got a bug with rocks simply dancing on the floor instead of falling for a few seconds lmao.

[fluid quail]

I have to say, in comparison of how I normally experience previous seasons, Shattering is so rewarding and more challenging... but mostly gives new sentiments with each memory I retrieve and all the new atmospheres around the realms is really thrilling.

[frozen apex]

I was impressed by the presence of the creatures. And yet, each time we just repeat the same process and have no idea why the creatures appeared in that way in that place.
I think there needs to be more of a story to be told.

[grave jetty]

This. Why is this happening? For new players, this season will be nothing more than the same that the game has always been, with slightly more direction. I understand prioritizing gameplay over story, but you can't just neglect story completely. Even Prophecy had some story.

[high charm]

could you guys actually see the whales bc at least for me it was. so dark in there

[elder inlet]

yeah i wish those memory were more bright

[high charm]

there was a point where i was running along a whale that i couldn’t see and just hoping that i wouldn’t fall off

there’s also the distinct possibility that i picked the whale with the worst lighting. i wouldn’t put that past me

[vagrant fable]

I can't even try to do the 5th quest because my game crashes in Hermit Valley

[elder inlet]

based on the previous ones,theyre all pretty dark unless is seen on certain angle,too bad they were pretty cool and id love to explore them more clearly

[fluid quail]

oh I see, you wanna see a progress with each memory u retrieve that tells you more about what's happening and not just presence of a new creature each time. I'd have more to say about that when the season ends tbh but I get ur point. I got over the repetitivety thing a long time ago so didn't really care much. sky is really repetitive in so many ways.

[regal niche]

There's also a WL in crab/flower memory. Right on top of the highest flower.

[grave jetty]

So three out of the five known memories thus far? Yeah, we definitely need to be looking for WLs elsewhere.

Have people pinned down the actual location of the one in the manta memory yet?

[high charm]

based on previous seasons, the last quest is probably gonna be something different. i just wish we got a little bit of stuff with the first 5 quests

[regal niche]

Yup. Haven't found any WL in jellyfish or krill memories so far.

It's on one of the mantas to the left if you're facing the guide, but can't be seen easily unless you fly a lil bit to the right.

[zenith mist]

if you say the next quest will definitely be different after every quest, eventually itll come true right

[languid ocean]

So whats the current price for the headphones?

[rugged vessel]

How is everyone on those last quests I'm still on the first one

[grave jetty]

It looks like Irinrin's video has a better view of the Whale quest's WL. It's inside the whale's mask: https://youtu.be/DVDW133VV7I

[vagrant fable]

We don't know, it's not written anywhere

[restive pulsar]

I am starting to get a little clearer on how to prepare myself when playing Season of Shattering.
In my personal opinion, it may be appropriate to play Season of Shattering as one would when enjoying the flavor text in From Software's game titles (Dark Souls, Elden Ring, etc.).
Specifically, this means collecting bits and pieces of information found in Shard Memories, Eden, Prophecy Murals, etc., speculating and imagining the history and lore of the Sky Kingdom, and discussing it with other players.
However, there is less information in this season than in Season of Prophecy, the story is unclear, and it is difficult to guess how much information TGC intends to give out.

[vagrant fable]

Season of Shattering: the Dark Souls of Sky seasons /hj

[lilac epoch]

Finally found a WL at the centermost whale's fin

Edit: it's pretty high up lmao, nearly ran out of flight and I have 154 wings

[grave jetty]

At the fin? Not inside the mask?

[lilac epoch]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10bu5pwghiZevrlYS2g9J6PRCY4J4j3y8/view?usp=drivesdk

At least I think it was the fin

[grave jetty]

My phone won't play that video for some reason.

[lilac epoch]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10f7Nyk8nz0-n1zn27KKnlWJ1YXv9j6Pl/view?usp=drivesdk

Strange, I'm sure the drive is accessible to anyone with the link. Here's a pic

[grave jetty]

OK, I got the vid to work. It looks like we're talking about the same WL: it's where the fin meets the body, just on the inside of the mask. Nice capture; it really pins the location down.

[lilac epoch]

Thanks v much, twas a pain to get up that high

[grave jetty]

No kidding. When I did it I had to use an antigrav potion, and I didn't get a good sense of exactly where the WL was.

[lilac epoch]

I think there might be WL for each quest now lmao I may have missed around 3

[narrow mason]

So I've found two wl are there others? I've only see the ones on the whale and plant.

[grave jetty]

Yeah, this is the first obe I've found too. There are reports of one in the manta shard and one in the flower shard (and now in the whale shard too)

[glacial barn]

So far I've only found the manta one ^^;

[lilac epoch]

Ahh I missed the plant. There was 1 on a manta

[narrow mason]

Is there any way to go back to these memories, because surely we'll be able to when it hits live and we need to do a wl run...

[grave jetty]

Not yet. The "View this memory again" button is part of the quest guide's tree, but currently it doesn't do anything.

[lilac epoch]

Ahh good reminder, I'll check rn if thr Relive This Memory function works brb

[misty bone]

can anyone feedback also regarding the races now, apparently we will stuck in a loop if all the shards are not collected orz

[grave jetty]

I've checked in Home, in the season area, and in the whale memory. I don't think it works anywhere yet.

[lilac epoch]

Ya just checked, it's still not working

[cursive tinsel]

Yes I couldn't find a way to exit except home/force close if you ( deliberately) didn't collect all the lights.
I must have repeated at least 10 times as a test

[narrow mason]

God forbid this turns into what happened to Rythmn, and the quests are lost to time

[lilac epoch]

Ugh ikr, I waited it out, the fragments quest timer reset 4x before I was able to teleport to view the memory in the void

Edit: I'll send feedback, along with a vid clip so the devs can see it themselves

[misty bone]

if collecting the races shard at the end is on purpose... >_> i dun feel it make sense coz it wasn't like that.. plus dun think is moth friendly

[narrow mason]

I'm more interested in how the ULT pricing is gonna work out, are both capes 2 hearts or is one 1 & 3. Because with the new season tree changes I already have 3 seasonal hearts, and don't have to worry about an entire tree due to already having the cosmetics.

[grave jetty]

Just compiling a list of known WL locations:

• Crab/Flower: on top of the highest flower
• Manta: on one of the mantas to the left when facing the guide. Most easily seen from the air.
• Whale: where the fin on center whale's right side meets the body, just under the mask

[lilac epoch]

Hahaha mann I cant believe how tired I am after that quest. I usu do beta after a run in live. Now I'm feeling saturated

[nova bay]

You mean valley races right? I always avoid them already but if they are going to do this I am just like noooo

[grave jetty]

Or if they'll leave the capes at 1 each, and add another ult that costs 2. That's also a possibility.

[narrow mason]

We do be manifesting an Eden crown

[misty bone]

still waiting for spirit manta while manta cape came many times

[nova bay]

Someone just posted one on the krill in #beta-screenshots-videos

[lilac epoch]

Ayt comrades in arms, I'm calling it a night. Will send those reports and feedback and hit the sack. See you tomorrow

[narrow mason]

The problem with the wl placement is that they're really difficult to get to. I am but a lowly moff and would have completely missed them to begin with.

[misty bone]

unless the seasonal qg is somewhere warpable after season ends, if not the WL wont make any sense... unless this is one time wl wwww

[narrow mason]

If it is warpable it would make sense to place it in the Eden lobby, or orbit for that matter. But orbit is too much work to just get there

[grave jetty]

Yeah; I've got 9 wedges and had to use an antigrav potion to get to the Whale one.

[cursive tinsel]

Whereabouts? I couldn't seem to find it but excited to see we can now walk on lightning

[gilded parrot]

Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve after getting an answer here Remember to read all of #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too in case it's mentioned there!

[narrow mason]

Shhhh skybot it's ok, down boy.

[grave jetty]

In the krill memory? I've found recent screenshots for the whale and flower memories, but I didn't see one for the krill (not one that had a WL in it, anyway).

[nova bay]

Im sorry i either confused a whale for a krill or i imagined things but i am pretty sure i saw it but i cant find it again

[small ore]

Hey

[hushed arch]

did they really add WL you can only get once..?

[sinful bough]

So is there a wl in every memory? I just saw a picture of it being on one of the flying dark plants from the crab memory I'm assuming. Unless it's edited, but then how are people supposed to get to these wl again after the season is over and stuff?

[grave jetty]

The fact that you can only get them once is probably a bug. There appears to be a way to go back to previous memories using the guide's spirit tree, but it doesn't work yet.

[karmic spoke]

ahh i feel so silly i havent gotten any of the wls, didn’t realize there were any even with exploring the areas hope reliving the memories comes soon!

[grave jetty]

So far we only know about WL in three of the memories, but I think it's safe to assume people need to look again in the other two.

[ashen tusk]

hold on, there's wing light now? I was only away for a day and now I'm confused and behind

[grave jetty]

I missed the Flower and Manta WLs too. None of them are visible from the ground. I only happened on the Whale one by random luck because I went to explore the whale itself.

[karmic spoke]

yeah ive explored each area myself, i have a feeling WLs were just implemented maybe because i flew allllll around the manta one and never saw a shiny boy; i think my game was bugged during flower memory so i have no recollection of being able to explore that area. i AM a bit blind though so i cant blame anyone but myself

[sinful bough]

Yeah I think they were only just added cuz they never mentioned it anywhere either did they? I would've missed the whale one if I wasn't already on discord looking up where the shard was

[ashen tusk]

there's whale memories..?

[karmic spoke]

its the newest quest memory

[cursive tinsel]

Ok so who hasn't done quest 1 and wants to find the WL in the jellyfish?

[grave jetty]

Quest 5 dropped this morning

[karmic spoke]

im sure people would have talked about it sooner too had it been there since the beginning, people starting quests late have gotten an advantage. hoping this next update will let us go back and find these wl

[grave jetty]

Current locations:

Jellyfish - ???
Flower/Crab - On top of highest flower
Manta - On top of mantas on the left side, best seen from the air
Krill - ???
Whale - Center whale, where right fin meets body just under the mask

[whole plank]

even in past seasons, early builds didn't implement replays of quest cutscenes, and they did. so, I hope I'll be able to see memories again in later builds.

[ashen tusk]

I'm gonna cry, how have I missed so much already
I've definitely seen people flap around at the top of earlier memories and leave shared memory candles there too so I think WL is a new addition
I just don't see why they'd add them and why they haven't said anything about it (or have they and I've missed that too?)
Also I thought we could go back to previous memories via the guide? Does that no longer work?

[grave jetty]

The UI for going back to previous memories via the guide is still there, but it doesn't currently work.

Why add them now? Maybe in response to people complaining there wasn't enough "stuff" in the new season, I'd guess.

[misty bone]

The UI for going back to previous memories via the guide is still there, but it doesn't currently work. > yes, it doesn't work now

[mighty harness]

I’ve saved my seasonal candles so long…Just for the krill cape and a heart so I can get the Ultimate gift. Now both are GONE???? What is going on?

[grave jetty]

Known bug. The krill cape IS the ultimate gift (or at least, it was as of the time the guide's tree listed ultimate gifts).

[sinful bough]

What a shame that just when they decide to add all this wl in the memories, the feature to go back to them stops working

[ashen tusk]

Wing light aren't gonna fix the main concerns with the season so if that's the reason for adding them then
I hope they can focus on the feedback we've been discussing since the season started about quests and lore and such

[mighty harness]

Oooh 😯 well currently the first cape on the Krill side (which I already own!) is listed as the highest possible cape on that side… And the final krill cape no longer exists…

[cursive tinsel]

Winged light and candles are usually the last things to be added to seasonal areas

So not a surprise we only get WL now/later

But also means we are near a final build?

[grave jetty]

The final krill cape used to be the last ult. It's probably still an ult, but there might be something after it now.

[ashen tusk]

I sincerely hope we haven't reached finalising the season as it stands cause yikes

[grave jetty]

Tough to say. I don't think we're all that close to a final build, to be honest. I do think we'll get an update today, but it'll focus on the last bits of Days of Rainbows.

[high charm]

i do remember sagomay saying more season-related stuff will be added in 0.18.5, whenever that comes out

[mighty harness]

I have a question- when are doing a shard event - and we burn all the darkness to begin the task of collecting light to finally obtain ascended candles - are players awarded different amounts of ascended candles based on how many pieces of light they collected? If this is the case… I take issue with this!!! It creates a competition between strangers. I LOVE the fact that during the crabs and darkness burning- everyone is helping each other (strangers helping strangers) it feels so amazing. To end all of it by making players compete in gathering light seems strange to me

[hollow compass]

I don't think the same players burning the same plants get different amounts of candles, but I'm not sure there is enough testing available. Logically it should depend on the number of chevrons you have, but maybe it's separate from that. I got 4 ac from today's event.

[misty bone]

At the moment, we burn darkness for the meditation circle to start spawning. I am not sure about different players being awarded differently. But I saw someone got 1 ac in the last few builds, and I got one AC from the last few builds. The current build I got 3 1/2 AC for today

[mighty harness]

Thanks - I got 4 today. The other day I got 1/2 😂 I’d live some clarification on this

[hollow compass]

There's been literally no tangible information on anything happening in this season.

[misty bone]

FYI, i had 1 player who brought the red shard crabs to grandma area when the red shard event was at sunny forest. >_> so yeah.. not all is good

[cursive tinsel]

It has to be set AC or random to you each event because you get the same AC if you only collect one light solo , all lights solo or shared with a group

[grave jetty]

It's hard to be sure. As far as I can tell from the rewards, at least for red shards, everyone who participates in a shard event seems to get the same number of ACs.

The above said, individual instances of a shard event do seem to be able to give out varying numbers of ACs, and it's not immediately clear how that works. The devs were in here asking about this the other day: I think it was when the shards were last in Vault. Different people gave slightly different numbers, but may have been dealing with different shards. Given that the devs were interested in this, I'm not sure it was supposed to happen, but the devs seem to have been worried that it might.

End result: I think everyone in a particular run of the Shard event gets the same reward, but there are ways to affect what this shared reward is. Maybe it has to do with the number of lights you all collect as a group?

[ashen tusk]

I know the purpose of beta is for us to find out for ourselves and feedback on what our experiences are, but it wouldn't hurt at this point to have a more guided input of what we should be expecting specifically from these events cause the confusion isn't particularly beneficial to testing

Also the other day a friend and I were in wasteland during the shard event and didn't participate in burning or collecting the light during it (we were busy doing a run so didn't even get over to the shard in time) but when we headed over there everything was finished and we just had a pile of wax waiting for us so that was kinda weird

I guess general wax is less of a big deal than AC, I imagine if it was an AC day we wouldn't have got anything without actively participating in the event but I can't say for definite?

[grave jetty]

I agree. Testing is most useful when you can compare what's expected to happen against what actually happens, but we've been given no idea what to expect.

[spark lance]

so we have 3 winged lights so far in season?

[buoyant berry]

3? O.o found just one

[spark lance]

one is in crab memory, manta memory and whale memory. i just checked #beta-screenshots-videos
Haven't found any myself because we can't relive memories yet

[grave jetty]

As far as we know, there are three. The problem is that we can't really go back and check the Jellyfish and Krill memories to look again: we need people who haven't gotten that far yet. Once they hook up the "Relive this memory" UI, things will be easier.

[spark lance]

what memory os this?
someone sent it in #beta-screenshots-videos https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/984846548758298814/E58B5945-7B4A-4B1F-AB27-60D04AC51B9C.jpg

[chrome ivy]

I see people having issue for the memory. They can just make the location of WL permanent place after each memory overlap

[spark lance]

ig these are added in recent updates otherwise atleast one person out of 1000 would have found it.

[mighty harness]

Where is the rainbow today? And where is the brook and the spirit I need for daily quests?

[gilded parrot]

I've been wondering that as well! Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version, and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback after getting help here Just be sure to read #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues first

[grave jetty]

You can relive your most recent memory by doing another red shard. This works even if you've gotten your daily ACs from the shard. But it only works for your most recent memory: if you do another quest, red shards will start sending you there instead.

[spark lance]

i thought the same but ig krill memory doesn't have a wl. that's my recent

[cosmic schooner]

wait.. if the memory areas are only accessable during the season then you can only get the wing lights this season too? and if u go to eden after the season ends you cant get it anymore???

[spark lance]

everything is kinda messy in the season. someone give me positivity plz

[grave jetty]

We don't know what the devs are going to do about that. It's possible that red shards may still bring in the quest guide, which you could then use to relive memories.

[mighty harness]

Where is the rainbow today? And where is the brook and the spirit I need for daily quests?

[gilded parrot]

Are you sure you looked everywhere? It has to be somewhere! Remember to try searching for things in Beta yourself, and if you're struggling with something and still need help, submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback to help them improve it after getting help here! Check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too!

[spark lance]

I wonder how much the earphones will be

[grave jetty]

The rainbow's in the Citadel. The spirit is in the stadium at the end of the race. I don't understand what you mean by the brook.

[cosmic schooner]

sea otters hold hands with each other sometimes :))

[sinful bough]

Nah, sea otters do some WILD things. The holding hands while they sleep so they don't float away was all a facade 😭😭

[naive trail]

Can someone who is in the beta DM me maybe? :) i have a question ! (my dms r open!!)

[spark lance]

Something positive:
🍕🍰🧁🍪🍩🍫🍭🍬🍦🍨🧋🍿🧋🥛

[elfin delta]

I actually have not seen the krill frozen memory so maybe i could check if there's any wing. But have to wait tomorrow cuz hermit valley just crashes for me 😔 (but there will probably be a person who found it by then lmao)

[analog citrus]

I looked around for a while but couldn’t find one. Then I crashed and didn’t want to re do a shard / animal quest to get back. Hope in the future we can just warp there from the quest giver wherever it ends up after the season. Having to do quests every time to get those start would be a pain

[gilded parrot]

I ate it

[analog citrus]

I agree with others tho. At this point I need a little more info on what is supposed to be happening to give proper feedback. If it’s a bug. Me complaining about something isn’t helping.

[naive trail]

Im honestly not looking forward to next season

I’d skip it but the krill cape has me in a chokehold, lmao

[vagrant fable]

Eden season
What we wanted: Lore, Eden Crown, Eden King, new gameplay
What we got: flashing rocks, crawling, repetitive quests and sadness

[still tendon]

Don't forget the bugs

[elder musk]

I am completely lost with these shard quests. Today I did Hermit Valley twice and got memory as a reward after each cleanse. Yesterday I did the same in Forest (twice the same shard area), and not one single memory. Also, when do we get light reward and when do we get AC reward? What is the requirement to unlock a memory? A hint as where the shard can be found would also be very useful.
Also, I think the memories are not enjoyable to explore: 1. too dark 2. not enough wingpower to fly all the way up (esp. krill and manta memories). Is it only me?

[gleaming bronze]

Are the shards for valley broken again?

[naive trail]

Dont forget how we couldve gotten so many epic cosmetics and instead got a very few… especially krill pants…

[vagrant fable]

Am still begging for those krill pants

[twin isle]

Season of capes strikes again

[naive trail]

Every day i check #beta-announcements …

[vagrant fable]

Also I know most quests in sky are repetitive, but for some reason these from shattering feel even more repetitive and boring

[torn girder]

i haven’t done 5th quest yet because game wouldn’t allow me to view the memory so are there 6 quests in total?

ty

[torn girder]

all we’re asking for is lore and eden crown.. is that so hard

[elfin delta]

Have you guys ever just doing a bug report but skybot decided to go silent and doesn't respond to us

[lyric kite]

Maybe the bot went down or something

[regal cove]

Guys, Can you go to #beta-screenshots-videos and see the video i post and come back here after to explain what happened

[torn girder]

they were spamming kizuna ai call, 101% a hacker. i think you should delete that since hackers aren’t appreciated here for obvious reasons
if you can, next time report this type of behaviour

[regal cove]

Why i need to delete ? It's not my fault if a hacker be stuck on me and crash my game...

[naive solar]

We don't want to give exposure and attention to hackers or ToS breaking behavior

[torn girder]

i don’t blame you! in general content containing this type of behaviour isn’t appreciated whenever it’s you or someone else

[regal cove]

I see... So it's done

[worldly scarab]

you guys found wl in new season?

[lyric kite]

They're in the memories that you see after completing the season quests. In the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th ones so far. If you've already completed them it's not possible for you to get the winged lights right now, but in the future it will likely be possible to view the memories again and be able to get them

[grave jetty]

You can still get the 5th one by going back to the memory. Any red shard can take you to the last memory you got. But this will only work until the next quest goes up next Friday, so do it soon.

[trim spade]

Is it just me or is this just a filler season in between more important seasons

[lilac solstice]

It does kind of feel like it. Might not even get AP ngl. I'm not feeling the cosmetics as much

[elfin delta]

When the beta update notes said Treehouse crash bug is fixed but it is, in fact, NOT, and now i'm just here suffering (i already bug reported it)

[maiden pond]

Honestly, for a little while now, I've been thinking the same thing. As someone who isn't a beta tester but has gathered and analyzed beta tester feedback personally myself, the season looks rushed and seems to be just a fill in of what is to come. That being said, there is still only a few weeks of testing, right?

[torn girder]

same with valley elder hairs. said they’re back but they aren’t

[hushed arch]

yeah i’ve been saying this season might be a test for how well seasons that have little to nothing that adds to the game do

i wish tgc would confirm if this is filler or not

[trim spade]

It’s like throwing $5 fireworks and calling it a party

[torn girder]

eden themed season, why don’t they bring back an eden crown as an actually unique ultimate gift

[maiden pond]

It seems highly unlikely TGC will actually remove the knocked down and crawling system, but they have the opportunity to rework it entirely in just these few weeks left so, let's hope they do. We can only hope TGC knows what to do at this point, but as beta testers, we can't expect TGC to do all the work, that's why you guys are here and help point out these things.

[trim spade]

It feels like they put their best people on to developing their new game, and the leftover staff are continuing to work on sky. This is why the impact of this season is underwhelming

[hushed arch]

i have a theory but it's held together by duct tape if you want to hear it

[zenith mist]

why did the filler season have to be the eden season 😭

[twin lintel]

THERE’S A WINGED LIGHT INSIDE THE GIANT CREATURE IN THE LATEST QUEST MEMORY????

[copper hound]

this doesn’t even feel like an eden season… more like a lore season with barely enough mentions of lore to be called that

[hushed arch]

i think tgc is trying to see how barebones/effortless a season can be before people stop paying for APs and/or playing sky because the events are cringe and fail

[scarlet echo]

Where are the shards today? I'm crashing at hermit, been 4 times now 😔

[elfin delta]

Isn't eden like, oh idk, a MAJOR part of the sky kingdom lore?? Many people have said this i'm sure but i feel like an eden season would be more grandiose and PACKED with lores and lores but no, instead we just burn these plants with these falling crystals

[chilly zenith]

i have come back to beta to read and see that this season’s hyde might indeed be turned into disappointment

[hushed arch]

also y'all remember to put stuff in #beta-feedback because if we just complain here then nothing will be done about it

[trim spade]

I wish they added a new area in Eden to hang out in. Hide the entrance behind some rocks. We could watch the Eden diamond from a safe distance and learn about the lore

[zenith mist]

i really doubt theyd purposefully not put effort into a season just to see if we'll still pay for it. so what if youre right, and the gameplay was so bad nobody bought the ap? they just wasted months of work and time on nothing
i think its a bit insulting to imply that tgc is purposefully not putting effort into a season to test us just because we dont like it. i think theyve put in effort, it just.. isnt great..?

[twin lintel]

with this addition shouldn’t there be a way to get back to this ancient memory?

[elfin delta]

It will probably be added in future builds or so

[twin isle]

New quest only added to my depression over this season. Still no story

[trim spade]

It’s like with days of rainbow. They put minimal effort into it. But then we complained and they reworked the event, and it got much better! But it took them longer to do it. So maybe they just need more time to develop great seasons

[hushed arch]

you're right and i shouldn't be insulting tgc; it just feels like the new season is dead, if that makes sense? like the devs forgot to add everything that makes a season worth remembering (a story, characters, et cetera)

a lot of people are unsatisfied with the season of shattering and it's kind of contagious

[zenith mist]

its fine to not like the season but making conspiracy theories about how all the good devs left to work on the new game, or how theyre making the season suck on purpose to see how little effort they can put in before people quit or stop paying is a waste of time and a bit insulting to tgc

[twin isle]

Also sol aren't u gonna change ur name we got earmuffs

[trim spade]

Omg hahaha I should 🤣🤣 Thanks for pointing it out

[leaden oak]

I hope after the pain (0.18.0) the collaboration season 0.19.0 has cool cosmetics even for free ones and exicting

[quiet obsidian]

i was super excited for a lore packed season, but we got this buggy and underwhelming barely-even-a-season instead. TGC really need to add more to it than falling rocks and a single mural. A thought i had was that TGC could possibly expand eden, adding extra ways to get to the last corridor. They wouldn’t have to add a new area, just make what we have bigger and more detailed. Say, a fork in the path when you get to the second area that takes you a completely different route to the last tunnel, perhaps containing murals and more wreckage of what Eden once was. That alone could provide us with more lore than we have currently, and if actual spirits were added too? we could have something great. But for now, i guess we’ll just crawl through eden and watch rapidly flickering shards

[zenith mist]

this is an unpopular opinion ig but days of rainbow is still pretty boring ._. they just added some jellyfish and made the spirits emote. idk im still pretty disappointed in rainbow

[maiden pond]

I wrote out 3 messages in feedback to them on how they could rework how the quests played out, rather than just it being the same old burning the darkness. If you want to hear what my revision of the quests is without a huge text wall, it goes something like this:

Quest 1 - remains unchanged, but burn darkness and unlock a daily shard event that is permanent in Sky that rewards players with either 3 extra candles or a chance of 5 ascended candles instead, the candles can be added on to the daily cap limit, and can be obtained regardless of chevron level.

Quest 2 - Seek a cave and discover its secrets of the Elders that rewards the player with a shield buff.

Quest 3 - Visit the realms and look through the ancient memories of the clash of light and dark.

Quest 4 - Seek out the Elders in their temples and unlock a season exclusive cutscene where your Sky kid receives an Elder blessing to their Elder hairs that grant different buffs, for example, Isle Elder hair buff makes you consume 50% less of your wing energy when flying, and Valley elder hairs give you speed boosts when running and flying.

Quest 5 - Visit and ascend Eden like normal, but meet the Elder of Eden and be granted the ability to purchase all spells in game except the season exclusive ones. Eden Elder would sell an exclusive Eden crown for 100 AC.

Quest 6 - Find and cleanse the rest of the darkness in the realms and help the corrupted creatures of Light. End of season.

[gilded parrot]

Are you sure you looked everywhere? It has to be somewhere! Remember to try searching for things in Beta yourself, and if you're struggling with something and still need help, submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback to help them improve it after getting help here! Check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too!

[twin isle]

I kind of agree. It feels like they just threw confetti on the floor and called it clean

[fast nebula]

In addition I would imagine that installing so many shards all over with all the changing parts of each one, plus the various different colours, explosions, etc. can’t have been easy to programme into the game. I doubt very much that it was an effortless job for TGC.

[zenith mist]

they put in effort, but they put it in the wrong things.. i almost cant understand how shattering is the way it is, its like the complete opposite of what everyone has wanted in an eden season

[twin isle]

I feel like to do all this would require another full season development time. Like there's too little time to do all this

[hushed arch]

THIS THIS THIS this is exactly how i feel about it thank you for putting it into words. you're a national hero

[maiden pond]

Exactly my thoughts, like there's no time for TGC to consider this, but TGC has the ability to make huge improvements.

[twin isle]

Every day I get more sad about the season I hope they don't do only one Eden season... Like make another one but this time do what we actually want

[zenith mist]

its so confusing bc the season feels so unfinished to me, and like duh its unfinished bc beta but.. how unfinished?? what if theres an entire side to this season we havent seen yet? i tried asking sagomay about it yesterday but i just got wafo'd x_x idk i get not wanting to spoil new content but its hard to judge the season as a whole when i cant tell if this is really how they intended it to be (mostly bc.. its so bad i cant imagine this is actually how they wanted it to be)
also ive mentioned this b4, but when it first came out and ppl were calling it unfinished ktjn made a joke like wow the season that just released is unfinished, shocker.. but nothing has really changed

[maiden pond]

A season within Eden, yes. Like this season is more so about how Eden directly affected the realms, but that's about it, as far as I'm aware of what I seen from beta screenshots and videos, it just doesn't seem to tell about what's happening.

[twin isle]

Sometimes I feel like wafo is just used to avoid disappointment by just not saying that stuff for the most part will be unchanged ._.

[hushed arch]

wait a moment

endless cycle of doing the same quest like 5 times now with no changes
endless cycle of visiting eden and then going back to get your WL

it all makes sense now /j

[zenith mist]

tgc add new content that doesnt involve doing the same thing over and over again for currency challenge

[maiden pond]

Don't forget: you heard limited time items, now limited time winged light!

[hushed arch]

impossible, another 150+ candle limited time item be upon ye instead

[twin isle]

Performance had me excited for quests bc those quests felt more varied and fun, but we've reverted back to tedious quests again

I've already sent feedback. How could you not by now since we've done 4 quests that are the same exact thing /nm

[narrow current]

I just can't believe that every quest has the same objective. I sincerely hope this is a fakeout and we will be suprised by very unique quests.

Doubt it though
||yes I've already put in feedback||

[narrow mason]

The shard for the new quest is in wasteland right?

[maiden pond]

Honestly, I feel like players would agree with my idea about how the first quest in my revision should play out. And making the daily shards an optional thing for players to do and add an optional way to get 3 extra candles on top of the 20-21 candles we can forge will help players stay in the game more knowing it's an optional thing they can do for three free candles or 5 ascended candles.

[twin lintel]

imagine if it actually is a fake out and tgc is laughing at us

[zenith mist]

i wish theyd understand that no matter how much of an emotional impact something has on you the first time you do it, if you have to keep doing it over and over again for currency that impact will diminish and itll just feel like a chore. it doesnt matter what they do to eden, or the shards, itll always turn into another way to get currency for players. and thats not the fault of the players, thats just how sky is. i dont even know how theyd fix that

[narrow current]

Let us cope

[hushed arch]

i will print out this message and set it on fire if that happens /lh

[naive solar]

what are your main concerns for this season?

[twin isle]

That'd be too cruel. And counterproductive to feedback since we're all mass complaining abt the quests and other feedback could be lost all for a prank

[twin lintel]

the shards fall in the same realm as the daily quests; alternates each day. there should be a dark crystal on the portal marking which realm a shard has fallen.

[narrow current]

Ig we are too close to the end of perfomance for a rework too aren't we...

[hushed arch]

they could always extend performance

[twin isle]

Everyone now will just be suffering through the season solely for cosmetics and ults.

[maiden pond]

I think I have an idea for how to access the seasonal area after the season ends and still receive the benefits from the season after it ends. Perhaps add the Void of Shattering on top of the Eden tower?

[lilac solstice]

Mainly the repetitiveness of the quests, and how much of a chaotic mess the story is

[twin lintel]

more likely extend the gap between the seasons

[marsh plinth]

This season is disappointing in its testing
No lore
same missions
A doomed rock as a guide
Limbo as the new seasonal space

[maiden pond]

Yes, it is quite upsetting.

[zenith mist]

the seasonal area is cool at first but after a while.. its just an empty void with some statues to look at. it feels lazy

[narrow current]

I think the rock is cool, reminds me of TLP but aside from that, everything else is pretty underwhelming even some cosmetics.

[twin isle]

Watch the Collab season be amazing with cutscenes and dialogue and story and great cosmetics and a lot of iaps. Collab seasons better not end up being the seasons with the most work and wholly complete feel to them.

[maiden pond]

I'm actually surprised there's only one pair of pants in this season.

[quiet obsidian]

im scared for the next collab season, TLP burned me out so bad and it was super expensive

[marsh plinth]

There was also only one in abyss
You also didn't say anything about the only mask of the season but that also happened in TLP

[maiden pond]

Oh, I didn't know there was only one mask either.

[zenith mist]

everything that makes this season different from other seasons just feels boring or lazy. no cutscenes, but theres nothing to make up for it. no spirits, but it doesnt feel like theres a good reason for it. a seasonal area thats different from all the others, because its a room with some statues. idk this whole thing makes me sad 😔

[cursive tinsel]

Some seasons are cape heavy like this one, other mask&props, other hairstyles. It's just the way they balance them

[maiden pond]

Yeah, Abyss cosmetics in my opinion weren't the best, but the Abyss quests were fun because there was an added element of danger.

[twin isle]

Fomo will be real too. Every day I regret not buying the scarf cape. I got asteroid cape instead and that area has had terrible flashing for forever. A 30 USD item and the area it takes you too is broken and hurts my eyes. The feedback I've given and bug reports for it have amounted to nothing.

[marsh plinth]

hilariously the season we've been looking forward to the most is the most mediocre we've ever tested

[twin lintel]

season of shattering is mid

[twin isle]

Season of shattering (our hopes)

[zenith mist]

forreal!! the season is so completely out of touch with what weve wanted, its mind blowing

[narrow current]

Sadly not even mid, as mid describes something that isnt good or bad. But shattering is outright bad at this stage.

[queen seal]

its gonna be fun going to eden solo after the update 🧍‍♂️/sar

[maiden pond]

It upsets me to know you guys aren't very content or satisfied with the season the way it is. I hope that TGC is lurking here and can reconsider reworking the season even if it means extending the season in Live or off season.

[cursive tinsel]

The wind as chibi is pain
The crawling in the rock rain where you get pinned in a spot is even worse

And the crawl wasn't that bad last build , oh to go back

[torn girder]

season of shattering our dreams

[copper hound]

i remember one time seeing people complain about the short time between seasons, so I feel like maybe some folks wouldn’t mind an extension of break between performance and shattering, especially if tgc can improve this season so it isn’t a let down

[maiden pond]

As someone who is eagerly awaiting the next season because Performance to me felt a tad boring but still engaging and interactive, I would not mind an extension at all.

[lilac solstice]

It's true. I hear more "I need a long break," rather than they want more content all the time

[copper hound]

not to mention we’ll also have DoR and DoS to be enough content between performance and shattering

[willow siren]

I think they should change the missions... 5 missions just about burning plants??? It was cool in the first two and everyone got excited but then it got boring

[maiden pond]

@willow siren maybe take a look at this and tell me what you think?

[twin isle]

When tgc said it might not feel like a season at all they really meant it. Instead this feels like a new days of event getting introduced. Like the season will literally be going to an hourly event every day. No new area in the physical world of sky (have to tp there), no new spirits to grab, no emotes. Hourly event and cosmetics. Days of formula. It'll feel like not even a season. They really weren't kidding.

[spark lance]

Best season was season of enchantment. till date.

[naive solar]

Bumping this

[torn girder]

they weren’t kidding or lying, it really doesn’t feel like a season but it’s def meant not in a really positive way

[narrow current]

Ikr? And comparing it to prophecy in the teaser is a whole JOKE of a statement

[cursive tinsel]

Ok it's getting depressing in about the season.

Any good bits?

I personally like the new shrine/shelters in rock rain and the floating dark plants, oh and the krill jumpscare in the void

[vagrant sequoia]

At least we dont have to go to eden for ac

[spark lance]

I would like to say mines as well but y'all probably voiced all my concerns honestly.

[queen seal]

the only thing i like are probably the cosmetics, the new mask looks really cool

[willow siren]

Omg, these ideas were really good!!!

[twin isle]

Yeah but as far as we know that's not even in the season. Eden hasn't been a place where the season takes place. So those changes, unless the next quest makes the season take us to Eden, really isn't a season thing. It's just more similar to a qol improvement. Eden impacts the world but the season hasn't placed us in Eden.

[grave jetty]

One quest gets repeated six times with no significant differences between iterations, and we don't even know why. At least give us a heckin why, TGC.

[cursive tinsel]

Cosmetics are good but I'd like to try the krill cape out soon

[spark lance]

Still trying to get over the heartbreak I'm experiencing knowing they won't take out the crawl mechanic. The likelihood of them keeping it once the the season ends is very likely.

eden crown

I mean i do have an opinion on this matter but just because some people on this chat agreed with that's not the whole community and it can br received differently.
But i hope everyone have a good experience.

[vagrant sequoia]

It was rlly pretty ngl

[twin isle]

I might not even get the krill cape in beta bc I have no motivation to collect seasonals. I just do the quests. I have the elder manta cape which I like way more than krill atm.

[torn girder]

ngl i’d prefer eden crown as a single ult than even more capes

[spark lance]

What even is Eden Crown?

I do want eden crown the capes designs are good and pretty (kudos for the artist) but the eden crown is a thing we been earning for so long

[twin isle]

A crown seen in promotional art and only able to be obtained by hackers in early version if sky. It was shown in promo stuff when IGN made a vid on it.

I made an edit of what it could look like in the game now

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[digital glade]

Have their been WL in every memory or just the whale one?
And how many have yall found btw? I only found one and my wing power is too low to explore much more

[vagrant sequoia]

I think #lore-discussion-spoilers has a picture of it
But its basically a glowing crown
It used to be in the cn server i think

[zenith mist]

if they did add the eden crown (which im starting to doubt they will) i really dont want it to be an ult. an f2p ult would be fine, but i dont think something like that should be limited.. they already did that with the krill cape

[spark lance]

It looks so good and ethereal

Also, this season may actually kill any interest or desire to invest my time or money into TGC.

A really weird season that was supposed to be something great, ended up being overwhelming.
A crippling change to a core game mechanic, and TGC doubling down despite everyont telling them no.

[spark lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/978859619839533096/IMG_20220525_101739.jpg

[crisp goblet]

waw this looks amazing

[stuck rose]

Hmm is there a wl in every shard memory now?

[spark lance]

Something is very wrong with this link and I'm suspecting this is a malicious link.

Opening it does not open any tabs on my browser but embeds do show its contents.

[spark lance]

Tgc would never add this as a f2p iten tbh

[zenith mist]

?? i just opened it, its just a link to a picture

[twin isle]

I was hoping they'd make it be the ult reward for getting all elder hairs

[spark lance]

it is from beta screenshots
don't know how to copy the link to channel actual post, it copies the media link for me

[quiet obsidian]

oh god, there are so many concerns at this point. I’ll try and list them briefly without making a whole text wall

• Crawling. this is just a pain, and it causes anger instead of whatever emotions TGC was going for.
• The lack of lore. For an eden season, this really feels completely devoid of any notable lore.
• Repetitive quests. Not much to say aside from five of the same quest is just... bad.
• Lack of actual area and spirits. It just makes it feel like a days of event. No emotes or area, just some spirits to grind for and buy from.

i think these are my main concerns, certainly what comes to mind when i first think about my concerns with shattering.

[vagrant sequoia]

I've opened it and its not malicious
It just shows the picture of the eden crown

[crisp goblet]

that would be a good reason

[spark lance]

... the hell is going on? I tried to open the link but it's not opening at all, it's telling my computer to open a program it's not supposed to.

[hushed arch]

y'all, post this stuff in #beta-feedback or nothing will change

[twin isle]

We are but want to discuss it here too.

[spark lance]

go to search on sky discord here and type:
mentions:eden crown in:#beta-screenshots-videos

The feedback is universal, discussing our disappointment in the changes is all we can do. TGC is doubling down on what is a crappy change to a core game mechanic. We can do nothing but cry and pray to TGC that it's reverted or reworked significantly.

[quiet obsidian]

i’ve already been to feedback with a couple of these concerns a few mins ago, should i just post this message in there too or should i elaborate a little more?

[lilac solstice]

I think most do post in feedback, but we also want to discuss with one another too. I prefer to discuss with as many people as possible before I write feedback, so I can hear all points people have from all sides.

[spark lance]

If they do nothing to correct or rework the mechanic, I can only stop financially supporting TGC if it means they'll realize how crappy this choice is. My points that I made and posted in feedback are so little in comparison to what points I've wanted to make.

[hushed arch]

you do realize if you don't post this stuff in #beta-feedback then they won't know, right? i know like every person is already doing so but the more voices the better

if you want to complain about shattering like the rest of us then feel free but there's no need to be rude when told that feedback goes in the feedback channel

[vagrant sequoia]

Tbh the season needs more time... For testing

Like when season of performance ends i dont want it this season to immediately be implemented

[twin isle]

Now making my pfp Eden crown bc I wish that's what we could have gotten

[maiden pond]

And as a non beta tester I agree.

[quiet obsidian]

praying that they make the igc ult be the eden crown, i’m trying to use that idea to keep my hopes up in this absolute trainwreck of a season

[twin isle]

It'd be the only reason to look forward to the last quest

[naive solar]

Personally I would love some sweet or sour communication from thatgamecompany on what this "new world element" in the blog post is supposed to be, because speculating isn't fun and is certainly not gonna result in accurate feedback.

Is this new world element

• The new injury system?
• The shard events?
• A new technology they've implemented?

In the same blog post they've mentioned that this brand new world element will be used for event-based storytelling. Does this mean

• Storytelling method used in prior seasons won't be returning?
• Are shard events temporary for Shattering?
• Are shard events meant to demonstrate the technology for the event-based storytelling? If so, will this tech be used in only Days of events?

These are my main questions. Feel free to add on

[quiet obsidian]

if the last quest is another clear the shard i’m gonna go feral

[cursive tinsel]

Would the current season format be worth it if the final ult was the eden crown? or the final quest a huge eden cutscene full of lore of when eden's explosion was explained?

[spark lance]

The eden crown as igc? This looks too good to be free sadly.. they would either make it an ultimate gift or make it cost lots of ac

[hushed arch]

no - there's no reason for us to have to wait for the last quest for the main part of the season

[twin isle]

It would feel like a consolation gift tbh

[spark lance]

i wouldn't mind if eden crown is ult and can be bought with ACs.
That can be kept in game permanently that ppl gather ACs for and eventually get it just like regular elder hair. That would be a good reason to go to eden and get ACs

[cursive tinsel]

Mm I think the season itself needs changes for at least part of it, regardless of the final reward

[quiet obsidian]

hmm. If you think about it, waiting around 50-60 days for a lore dump and an extra gift while enduring such repetitive and tedious gameplay just isn’t worth it. While that would be good, TGC need to make other changes to have something like that be worthwhile in any way.

[zenith mist]

i think having the eden crown cost a lot of ac would work really well. its still igc, it has to be gotten through work and cannot just be bought with candle packs, and it gives more reason to do shards. currently i dont really need ac other than for ts, so i dont really have a reason to do the shard events. if i had something like the eden crown to work towards, id definitely make sure to do them and go to eden whenever i can

[twin isle]

I think we all believe that but feel with the current timeframe a big overhaul would be impossible. So getting Eden crown would make getting to the last quest feel worth it since they're all mind-numblingly the same

If tgc could make me eat my words I'd be so grateful

[quiet obsidian]

this tbh. If they added it as a permanent item, it would definitely make the new shards a little less tedious because at least you’re working towards something.

[spark lance]

Rae off topic, what height were u trying to achieve with 190 resizes

[copper hound]

like,,, have it be the ultimate ultimate gift or something, once finishing all the constellations the prince shows up in orbit or something and you can buy it from him for x amount of ac

(main idea to rae btw)

[twin isle]

Being taller than average I'm almost chibi sized atm

Ironically in beta I am super tall.

[spark lance]

omg and i could never get smaller. but then i accepted my fate as tall.
Good luck!!

[vagrant sequoia]

The eden crown would probably have a Similar price with the invisible cape

[twin isle]

Ty my friend can never get small so she hates that I've gotten almost exactly chibi sized like 20 times

[quiet obsidian]

if they made us buy it for hearts... oh god no

[spark lance]

I was thinking of the invisible cape being added as an ultimate for completing all the constellations but... nevermind. It seems they won't plan to ever bring it to live

[torn girder]

for 999 hearts?? nooo, my poor solo player soul

[twin isle]

If Eden crown is for hearts I will absolutely riot. What would be the point to having more ac events if not to give us more ac priced items

So I can continue to suffer and resize endlessly???

[narrow current]

Imagine we could buy the elders pants with ac or the valley twins masks. That would give a whole new reason to get ac aside from ts. Idk if anybody has suggested such an idea but it would be great

[torn girder]

what if we also got hearts for these shard events? that would be useful to new and solo players

[lucid python]

Could someone point me in the right way of where the shards are in Eden so I don’t miss them while looking at different spots?

[vagrant sequoia]

I wish 😔

[copper hound]

ac is mainly used for wing buffs, elder gifts, and some spells, I want to be able to use them more, like even a system were you could trade ac in for some other currency like hearts maybe? Idk but after awhile if I did my normal eden runs I’d be stacked w ac (especially since I don’t use resizes anymore)

[zenith mist]

honestly, if you dont have a reason to be getting ac this season is even more boring.. i only go to eden once every few months to get more ac for ts. ive already bought all the base game wing buffs, and i dont have any use for spells. why even participate this season?

[quiet obsidian]

tgc also say that hearts are meant to be gifts from friends and they don’t like heart trading, so making us pay such high amounts of hearts goes completely against what they want - people would just heart trade more

[naive solar]

I'm not even buying that hearts are meant to be gifts hahaha they're a currency

[torn girder]

they say “hearts are a sign of friendship and caring” yet they make a lot of f2p cosmetics either expensive in candles or hearts like what if i’m not a social butterfly or even a new player with no friends nor experience?

[lyric kite]

TGC seems to want them to be both simultaneously and it contradicts

[copper hound]

if hearts are gifts, what’s the deal with the high prices of tier 2 cape 🤨

[naive solar]

Yeah it's sadly one or the other...it cannot be both

[twin isle]

"Hearts are meant to be gifts" puts price tags on desirable items (invisi cape, T2 capes, instruments) that are for hearts and essentially makes hearts comodified rare currency

[spark lance]

Why they don't give acs more use? like a shop for itens not spells but actually cosmetics make it super expensive to give those skykids something to do

[quiet obsidian]

this!!!!! they contradict their own statements by making us pay a fortune in their so called friendship gifts

[lucid python]

Please? not Eden, sorry. Valley!

Thanks! I figured the village made most sense

[vagrant sequoia]

Most of my cosmetics are seasonal because the ones in the regular constellation costs hearts and i cant use my hearts unless i heart trade cuz events also use hearts

[slate narwhal]

@lucid python I’ve not found either

[narrow current]

Worst of all its limited so once you get all in game hearts if you dont have many friends say goodbye to getting an elder hair or highly priced heart cosmetic.

||Which is why people do things that aren't encouraged tbh||

[obsidian shoal]

yeah, and like... why do hearts have to cost candles? why cant there either be a separate "currency" thats only for sending friends hearts? or why cant we passively earn hearts when actually interacting/playing with friends?

[spark lance]

We definitely need more ways of obtaining hearts. It's already tedious to get them from friends, not to mention the ridiculous heart trade 'feature' that they've been implementing recently.
I can't spend much time with my friends because of irl problems or timezones. I just wish for a more relaxing gameplay so we don't have to worry about missing so many things..

[naive solar]

Unlocking friendship expressions or levels could reward both parties with more heart fragments when you light them or receive light from them in the constellation

[slate narwhal]

Honestly I think the main thing I find wrong with this Season is it’s not fun. Just frustrating and tedious and yes I’ve submitted my feedback. 🤗

[spark lance]

Nah im good with my heart system if you change too much people gonna be mad

[vagrant sequoia]

I think the passive option would be lighting ur friends in constellations

[lyric kite]

They also like to say that you don't need to have everything so don't worry about purchasing all of the expensive items, even though there isn't really much else to do in this game other than collect cosmetics and do repetitive quests so

[twin isle]

God forbid we get another limited time f2p item. The amount of people I've seen who missed the music hair pin bc they didn't even know where it was or how long it was staying is crazy. I read the announcements in news, but it really made me realize how many people don't

[zenith mist]

people will be mad no matter what. the current heart system sucks and getting hearts as a new player sucks, it just pushes people to break tos through trading

[obsidian shoal]

i meant something that would actually encourage people to play together instead of just lighting & leaving

[narrow current]

And then they make limited igc and iaps aswell although iaps are not the topic of the discussion but-

[spark lance]

The best thing about events it's they always come back once you try to get everything you can harm yourself sky taught me patience
We don't complete the constellations on a single day so why i should rush to get everything ?

Something have more meaning if it's hard to get you feel more proud of yourself if not it loses value

[narrow current]

Like the kizuna ai event, and days of healing, and the singular rainbow flower. They always come back eh

Not to mention TLP but that was a season with copyrights so it gets a pass

[twin isle]

I also believe if you were there for a season and maybe missed doing the quests the hearts should be free like they were when the season was in full swing. Like I didn't get all the abyss quest hearts and had to pay candles for them 💀

[obsidian shoal]

ive been playing for a year and the most heart expensive item i own is the chibi mask because i just cant earn enough hearts to get any of the other base game stuff because i need the hearts for ts and events 😔 nowhere near finishing any of the constellations, probably ever at this "heart rate"

[copper hound]

I told my friend about how I barely got it and they didn’t know it disappeared after reset that day and they were really upset about it and that was when I realized most people don’t study the update notes as if they need to write an essay on it

[quiet obsidian]

absolutely. there’s no point to making them cost candles, it’s just plain annoying and imo it’s not new player friendly

[versed dome]

I am still unable to complete quest 1, I am starting to wonder if it is better to report it in as a bug?

[zealous acorn]

I think it's be neat to maybe recieve hearts as you unlock peoples friendship trees

[zenith mist]

it just feels like another way to punish players for not having played during the season I:

[spark lance]

I'm taking about itens that uses our currency not iaps
Its a matter for a different time all of this itens you have to pay real money and some of them are collabs

[twin isle]

Qg: hey yeah thanks sm for completing my quests and helping me restore the wind paths.... Oh you thought I was gonna give you these hearts for free? 💀 Sorry kid cough up the candles.

As a moth when I finished the prophecy stuff and saw I had to pay for helping the guy decorate his cave just bc I wasn't there for the season I was bitter.

[quiet obsidian]

exactly, and it ends up making moths go broke trying to catch up.

[lyric kite]

Even if you do read the update notes, it's still easy to miss things because there is so much information released at once. If they're going to do limited time items they should post an announcement making it very clear where the item is and when it will be gone (and also send out in-game inbox message explaining the same). I know they like to be vague, but sometimes more info is helpful

[spark lance]

I feel like people forget that seasons are dlcs

[narrow current]

Fair! Thankfully there isn't any igc items that are limited. (Well except one hehe)

Also i was responding more to tgc statement of not being stressed about not collecting rare cosmetics and not actually to your comment itself. Apologies

[quiet obsidian]

WHEEEZE the poor moths 😭 it just makes newbies even less able to save for stuff like TS

[cursive tinsel]

Absolutely bug report anything that does feel like it is working as it should.

[vagrant sequoia]

Ngl what was season of flight about anyway
I thought some destruction was gonna happen but all i did was just rescue some birds

[zenith mist]

if seasons are just bonus content why are they the only new content we get 💀

[spark lance]

flights was pretty useful with it's paths tho
but i think most "lore" seasons are just some pictures

[twin isle]

The conflict for flight was resolved almost immediately💀💀 quest was like "OH NO THE DARKNESS ESCAPED INTO THE WINDPA- wait it's gone? Oh."

[quiet obsidian]

help i felt the same way, i just forgot that season ever happened and use the wind paths like they’re a base game area 💀💀💀 it took like three rewatches of the quests to get any idea of what they were about

[naive solar]

[spark lance]

Basically yes they're dlcs
If we had updates for content it would be free because we already have the "base game" the season brings new content but also bonus for those that buy the ap then the bonus is limited not the dlc that's what i think

[spark lance]

I have had dreams telling me about what that darkness was and what it'll do in future seasons..

Dlcs?..

[twin isle]

Kind of? I mean you can do the quests after the season ends and you only really pay if u want the ults bc otherwise the cosmetics come as TS. For most dlc in games I've seen you can't access ANY of the stuff in a dlc unless you pay. Sky is a little more forgiving about that.

[zenith mist]

seasons are for everyone to participate in, i dont understand this comparison to dlc. also the game pretty much revolves around them

[spark lance]

It means downloadable content it's basically a extra content you can add for your game
Sky does have updates for everyone but the bonus is payed i saw someone using it for seasons and i though the comparation was interesting

[naive solar]

I don't classify whatever seasons are as DLCs... Whether it matches the definition or not

[grave jetty]

True, but even so you had a sense of why the birds and you needed to help them. This Season it's just "Hey, you know how Eden erupts every so often? You should go do some of the shards like you've been doing" (since we're supposed to be treating these events like they've always been happening). There's no sense of why it's suddenly more important to do this thing that's really just supposed to slot into our daily routines anyway

[narrow current]

Seasons are the equivalent of a " battle pass " in a game. Everyone can participate but if You pay you get better or more rewards.
...Dlc is a stretch.

[twin isle]

Really dlc in my eyes means you pay to get access to any of the content within it. Sky the only thing you can't ever gain access to after season ends is ults.

[zealous acorn]

DLC implies that you need to pay to play any of it

[spark lance]

Seasons are it own thing so it can't fully be classified as a dlc it's just a shower though tho

[zenith mist]

its not extra content though, it is the content. you dont download it separately. everyone gets it. theyre just events. also its not as if pass holders really get anything other than more candles and cosmetics, i dont think that counts as extra content

[vagrant sequoia]

Makes more sense

[slate narwhal]

Seriously no one answering where valley shard is? I’ve been everywhere..👀

[quiet obsidian]

pass holders literally only get the ults in the long run, all the iap cosmetics come back so there’s not really much comparison to be made between seasons and dlcs

[spark lance]

Yes it can be
On honkai we have battle passes and it gives you exclusive limited content
Others can also have it but only those that buy it can have the exclusive content.

[twin isle]

For me I buy the AP SP if I only super want an ult. Otherwise I don't.

[quiet obsidian]

it’s the hermit valley in dreams where it falls today!

[hushed arch]

are we really comparing sky cotl to gacha games because of seasons..?

[slate narwhal]

Omg tsvm @quiet obsidian

[spark lance]

I don't have no problem with seasons being limited or time consuming because in battle pass if you don't play everyday you can't get the final reward just like season tbh now i see it's totally like a battle pass my mind was blow

Im having a mental break down

[spark lance]

There's battle pass in every game isn't something new even in fps games we do have something like that

Tbh now im amazed i didn't notice it before

[narrow current]

Well unlike gacha atleast you get what You want to pay for at the gate, even if expensive specially for a game targeted to all age ranges including kids ...

Edit: ^ was referring to iaps mostly

[spark lance]

Battle pass even in gachas give what you want you just have to play everyday but if you want to have all the content you can pay for it at once like like on sky the only difference is that you have to do the quests First of course

Except for the height potions. It truly feels like a gacha trying to get the tallest

Oh no Rae I just read your name ajsj sorry 💀

I'm not the huge gacha fan but my friends play it every day i prefer sky over all of these gacha games its like a paradise

[twin isle]

[lucid python]

Are there two shard locations in each realm?

[narrow current]

Me a height 12 who wants to be tallest

[quiet obsidian]

pretty sure today there’s only one shard today, it changes from day to day

[spark lance]

Playing sky after been playing gacha games all those years is like leaving an abusive relationship

[quiet cliff]

Hey guys sorry to be a pain but can someone tell me where the blinkin shards are today please

[quiet cliff]

Oh my yes that’s true

[grave jetty]

Absolutely.

[rugged kayak]

but sky's daily quests are SUCH low effort compared to gacha game dailies (at least the gacha's i've played, and i also currently play genshin alongside sky) how on earth did this comparison even come up

like literally people make such a big deal out of playing sky every day during seasons when it's like. you literally only have to do the dailies if you want. nothing else no CR no WL run nothing. dailies take 5-15 minutes give or take whereas gacha dailies can take, in my experience, upwards to an hour. that's a full CR for me in sky

and of course everyone has lives outside of sky and not everyone may have 5-15 mins to spare for sky dailies, i'm just speaking generally here

sorry for the angry text walls also this comparison is just so absurd to me

[narrow current]

I mean the "comparison" (idek when gachas were even brought up) was mainly comparing season/battle passes to the adventure pass and in terms of how they work in basic terms they are " similar ".
-You can participate if You do not buy the pass.
-buying the pass provides more items or limited items.
-you usually have to play every day or almost every day in the season to receive all rewards.

TLDR: they are similar but definitely not the same i dont think they should be put in the same sphere either.
But saying that the comparison between a battle pass and adventure pass is absurd is "interesting"

[rugged kayak]

ah i didn't know it was Specifically battle passes, i thought it was gachas in general. sorry, this chat often goes real fast so i don't read up all the way all the time

[narrow current]

Dw freya! Your point is still fair and reading your text wall was insightful

[burnt hound]

no shard on portal frame today?

[rugged kayak]

either way BP dailies, in my experience of games that have BPs, are so much more of a time consumer and also take more effort than sky's dailies even if you do have to play every day during a season, so the comparison is still a bit weird to me.

[rugged kayak]

it seems the shard sometimes just doesn't appear? maybe it's tied to the actual eruption events that occur every 30 mins

[narrow current]

Yeah, that's why i mentioned they should not be put in the same sphere of conversation but the similarities are definitely there

But overall skys ap is way more forgiving and easy!

[narrow current]

Idk if this has been fixed yet but if you dont see it in ××:30, Try ××:38
Thats what worked when i last played. Have not played new patch though.

[burnt hound]

it is :58 rn and no shard
it wasnt like this yesterday i think
wait i meant on the valley door frame at home, i thought thats there for the whole day

[lament mica]

Should be there at around :08
Oh, at home it should be there at :00 iirc

[burnt hound]

oh the shard just appeared

[lament mica]

I would mostly agree, but since spirits have been added to dailies it’s been taking a lot more time and effort to do them (eg crab call and any carry spirits)
Now with this shard event thing, I can definitely do all my BP dailies and a couple of weeklies within the time frame of shards

I play Genshin too and have been enjoying my time better in there than in current Sky.

[burnt hound]

the scene lighting changes to normal if you sit in a meditation circle

[rugged kayak]

tbf the shard stuff is VERY much bugged at the moment, also i've personally only have had to go to the area where shards are to get that daily? not actually clean up anything

and the spirit thing i guess is a by-player basis. i have little to no issues with carry spirits personally, especially as i've gotten better with them over time. i'm sorry you're not having a good time in sky as of late

[coral cosmos]

do you get anything the second time if you do the same shard twice in one day?

[rugged kayak]

as of a couple builds ago, no

[lament mica]

See, I play in groups. Played is more like it at this point. It’s hard to do many things in groups these days. For example, seashells require you to undo hands to get them, and each person has to get their own. Some dailies eg skater quests can only be done individually, and to be able to do carry spirits everyone together you need to have piggy unlocked with everyone. And the random moffs that I friended and I don’t have piggy and they don’t know how to fly or walk and then there are maybe crabs and krills, so I haven’t enjoyed playing Sky with more than 2 players in a while (and we used to have a full server everyday). Add to that the invincible crabs from shard events…. There’s no fighting in Sky, only being hit, you know?

I’m sorry I’m so negative about this, it’s just been very sad to see the game I feel in love with 2 and a half years ago become a stressful and lonely place

Anyway, I’m currently stuck at the end of the Flying race because I can’t get all the lights within the time limit. Instead of giving me a candle, it says “the light has faded, try gain”. Anyone else having this issue? Is it a bug or a new “feature”?

[hushed patrol]

gripping my head. is anyone else frequently crashing in shard areas or is that just me

[lament mica]

I haven’t been today yet. Wanna come with me?

[hushed patrol]

i haven't been able to burn more than like, 4 plants without the game crashing on me. it's massively frustrating and its making the game near unplayable 😭, none of the updates so far seem to have fixed anything and i've asked around my friends and theyve all said theirs hasnt crashed onse. i could use a lil help ya

[lament mica]

DM me a QR?

[rugged vessel]

Are there suppose to be memories? I was finally able to get to quest 2 but again no movement, I also cannot see the 4 qg at all anymore

[merry pewter]

are the shards today just in hermit valley or did I just fly by some without noticing again

[quiet obsidian]

pretty sure it’s just hermit yeah

[agile hazel]

Speaking of battle passes. Adventure passes are now renamed season passes

[narrow current]

Makes sense since there isn't much adventuring in this season /hj

[marsh plinth]

I am worried about the future of this game

[quiet obsidian]

honestly? same. With what i’m seeing, things seem to be going downhill and i just hope that TGC manage to redeem themselves and get their act together before things are too late. It would take a LOT for me to quit, but if things keep going the way they are it might become a possibility. I’ve played on and off since sanctuary and seeing things going so bad really brings me down in a weird way?

[split wave]

im just worried theyre trying to rush this season and how theyre trying to (forcefully) make us feel sadness/whatever it was. from a game that was supposed to be a peaceful expirence, turned into game that involves FOMO and worrying about ingame prices even though we already worry about that irl

[rugged vessel]

Imo every community leads to an end one way or another, so I was expecting the audience for sky to gradually slow Down. However I am hoping that if it does become a small community, it will still be left with a good feeling instead of the exhaustion from increase in prices and the same cosmetics being sold twice with only a few tweaks on top of it

[marsh plinth]

FOMO?

[quiet obsidian]

fear of missing out

[split wave]

imo, if theyre gonna have ultimate rewards return, then they should just make them free during the season :/ (ap pass works the same with the cosmetics, just not the ult). its just a cheap way to get people to spend more money

[narrow current]

Then id say there is a LOT of "fomo" in sky definitely. Stressing about iap prices, not having enough to buy a ts when it comes ( which could take years to come back due to their nature )
Adventure passes, ingame events etc.

[fleet ruin]

So not in beta, but I heard losing light makes you crawl, has Eden changed to fix that?

[narrow current]

If you are asking about layout: yes.
Does it fix it? I wouldn't know i only tested eden twice

[fleet ruin]

Sweet, was going to say it would be legit impossible to crawl through the storm area, I do like the crawling change though, looks cool, I hope we get more ui but otherwise I like it

[quiet obsidian]

i think that would be a good idea if they brought back the exact cosmetics, but because so far they’ve only brought in reskins and different versions of old ults i disagree kinda. The ults do still remain unique to some extent, but reskins and modified new versions are a way for newer players to be able to at least have something similar.

[fleet ruin]

Plus the blue crystal animations look super cool, kind of implies that we have red crystals inside of us and use those to absorb the energy around us, when we run out of energy, they expand and become that cool blue color

[split wave]

No, I mean actively in the season. Have the ult rewards available so its not behind a paywall, ap pass will still do its thing with the normal cosmetics so those who do pay, get the stuff faster and don't needa wait for a ts. Or have the players get at least one ult

[sterile trail]

i wish the memorieswere more like the seasonal ones where they werent just still like they could move, but the krill one wouldn't attack you

[marsh plinth]

honestly more than that, I opened my eyes for a moment
Multiple times I have been saying that sky more than a game is a large and diverse community with which you can get along
And finally I paid attention to what he was saying: ||sky isn't even a game, it's just a social space where you can buy super expensive virtual things to be fashionable||
Brother, we have been waiting for more than 12 seasons for something that will make a story sky at least but it was not like that, all this time we have been helping spiritus with simple things that nobody enjoys doing, And now that we have the best context for sky to have a solution for once, TGC is not taking advantage of it, they are using it to put in new features but this still doesn't feel like a game
Sky is not a game, and if a game is about lighting candles, collecting wax, burning plants, and grabbing lights, it's not a fun game.
What I'm getting at is (and setting aside my nagging dream of seeing a sky turn-based combat RPG ) It's just that TGC needs to make their self-proclaimed game a fun game. we gave them more than 12 opportunities but none so far he has taken advantage of it.

That's all

Huh, not walltext enough

[quick harbor]

This reminds me of those simulator games on roblox tbh

[sterile trail]

i bet roblox can make sky more fun /j

[narrow current]

I mean skys format is definitely game-like. It being very clearly inspired by even how the realms are put one after another by journey.

But if You have played journey. Journey actually feels like a game unlike sky. Even the first time i played sky and unlocked realms spirits and wls i never really felt as if i was playing a completed game. It feels like something is missing.

[quick harbor]

I guess then you could say that the first run of Sky is just an experience?

[sterile trail]

meh

[quiet obsidian]

yknow, you’re right. It never hit me, but what you’ve said is absolutely true. Sky is a social space with some game-like elements to it but if you take the social side away from it??? it just becomes mindless grinding. Mindless grinding doesn’t make a game.

[split wave]

Mindless grinding is what half of us do at this point

[quick harbor]

I'm gonna be fair, if it wasn't for my friends, and those who invited me to play alongside them, I wouldn't have played sky anymore as a moth. The only thing keeping me in check nowdays is sky's clothing, but honestly it's just drawing rhythm pants for me

(Casual reminder that rhythm pants are the peak, I don't think tgc will be able to make pants better than those imo)

[fleet ruin]

Seriously though, sky is a game about social connection (apparently), but most connections are at their strongest when there’s a shared objective. The easiest way to do that is with a shared threat 💀. Sky has no threats nor does it have an endgame.

I’d much rather have a procedural world to explore with others, lost and isolated from the home area searching for candles or a bonfire to let me return to the hub, exploring with a couple of randoms, than do the same levels over and over

[sterile trail]

isnt it already mindless grinding though?
ive been playing since gratitude

[split wave]

I havent met any long-term friends in sky, I've only met people who happen to play sky. Also, dont forget to sent this in #live-feedback or #beta-feedback if it involves beta content

[quick harbor]

The best goal we have found so far is the 8 skykid puzzle in prairie

[maiden pond]

See, this is why I want to apply to be a Test Analyst or Quality Assurance person for TGC, I began lurking here after hearing about the season of Shattering and so far I've heard nothing but complaints and criticisms and I myself would like to gather all the data that I can about the current problems and bugs that I can in order to not only let TGC know, that "hey, the players don't seem to like this or think it's buggy or unfair if it were implemented." And not only offer my own opinions as well as the opinions of others, but to make it so that the development team can tweak and rework the existing features like the crawling system right now so that the devs may keep it and it be balanced when it actually comes to testing and eventually to the Live version. I'm heavily wanting to apply to TGC for this position and may even consider filling it out tomorrow.

[sterile trail]

this game is boring if you dont have any friends

i hope i didnt summon any one 💀

[quiet obsidian]

yeah, that’s kinda what i’m getting at. The social elements are the only thing giving it any fun, but without the social parts you see it for what it is, mindless grinding

[quick harbor]

Unless you like appreciating the beauty of your skykid (like me) and stare at it for a few hours, then it's really boring if u have 0 friends

[split wave]

Even if you're with friends, you're literally just talking while absent-mindedly grind for candles

[sterile trail]

the only socail you get is candle or qr i wish you can just communicate without having to spend candles

[drowsy island]

i love krills because they are a hurdle you have to overcome through wit or skill (hiding, dodging, glitching). prophecy trials are fun for the same reason i want to see more interactions like that implemented.

[split wave]

Here's another thing, the story progress is journey with a different color slapped on and iap and in game currency. Im sorry for saying this, but it's sorts true

[quick harbor]

Maybe tgc could implement the social areas of the realms to be able to communicate without needing to be friends? Kinda like the bug that happened right at the start of beta performance season.

[quiet obsidian]

fr i think i would have long since quit if it wasn’t for the friend group i’ve got rn. Without people my only motivation to play is cosmetics hoarding pretty much

[sterile trail]

that would be nice

[fleet ruin]

We need to ride krill and use them to joust with friends

[lament mica]

Not impossible to crawl through it, I’ve done it twice because once you have no light and your friend has no light or you’re solo then nothing can help you

[quick harbor]

Though hopefully, we won't get a bunch of attempters at scams. Idk if it happened in beta, cus beta people are normally chill and it's a closed environment, and we know better. But there's still 9 and 12 year olds playing sky on live, so they could very easily fall for something

[split wave]

I hate how prices are going up, but the amount of candles you can get in a day aren't;-;

People have complained, even I have, in feedback for awhile. But tgc won't do anything cause "that's not whay the game is about"

[fleet ruin]

Inflation comes for us all my dude 💀

[split wave]

Can't escape it from irl, even in a game

[quick harbor]

The TLP pants being 200 candles...fair, it was only there for a limited time anyways and wouldn't come back. But the rainbow cape being 175...not really justifyable since blooms cape was 75/100 candles or something. And that amount wouldn't really go to fund any lgbtq+ charities or other related stuff. Right?

[fleet ruin]

Has tgc considered releasing on pc?

[split wave]

Ah, love capitalizing pride ✨

[lament mica]

This is where oobing came in, but they’ve been trying really hard to patch them (or at least that’s what it feels like)

[hushed arch]

yeah the rainbow cape’s cost is not justifiable at all unless the justification is rainbow capitalism

[quick harbor]

Pants's price was fine tho

[quiet obsidian]

i think so? releasing sky on pc would be amazing and i think it was mentioned that they were working on it on some point but take it with a pinch of salt because i could be wrong

[split wave]

WHAT? THEY ARE? WHY? that's like.. my favorite part of sky, going to the oob

[hushed arch]

because it presumably wouldve gone to charity i think (as an iap)

[fleet ruin]

Oof, yeah the big thing is that you get knocked over enough as is, if they moved the statues closer or gave your person the ability to walk for a short time (and maybe even recover a bit) before they fell on the ground, I could understand the change, but right now it looks like it just makes things tedious

Ngl though, I can skip literally all of Eden atm, so it’s kind of been a long time coming haha

[quick harbor]

Yeah, but the pants price was something like 20$ wasn't it? If you bought with candle packs that worth, it would've been 60 candles worth. Normally pants are 60-75 candles. But since these are event pants, it's fine if they are 95 candles at max.

[rain latch]

Same, and yes, they are patching everything 😔

[lament mica]

Yea, when I went solo I was suuuuper careful. But then the new “standing up” animation is too slow, so I lost my light and that was it

[split wave]

I swear if they remove the the valley oob or rainbow bridge- those two are the ones I like the most

[quick harbor]

HUHHH, but tgc said they'd keep our favourite oob and try to not fix them so we could keep going there since they're fan favourites!!!

I guess they could try to replicate oob in future events or seasons, but even then... we'd still prefer our og oob

[quiet obsidian]

i seem to remember TGC saying they wouldn’t patch rainbow bridge or valley oob, possibly some others too, bc they’re fan favourites, could be wrong tho

[spark lance]

they have removed both in past iirc, but they were brought back after feedback and requests

[lament mica]

There was one in valley a loooong time go, near the oob stadium, that had candles in a gliding only zone. It was so fun! People would help each other setting tables and working together to light those candles up. It was awesome! I can post a couple of pics if you want

[quick harbor]

Welp, time for me to sleep. Goodnight yall and have fun discussing about how much crabs will be cooked if tgc removes oob

@lament mica oooh I think I remember that!!

[split wave]

Yes please ^^

Night shiro!

[spark lance]

is it the same one that had juggler?

[lament mica]

That’s the one 😊

[split wave]

Wait, was it on a little pedistole when the end of the valley race had like... clouds and stuff instead of ice?

[smoky trench]

YYEESSSSSSSSS

[spark lance]

I've heard people could buy juggler's cosmetics in that oob. Is that true?

[sterile trail]

Fr?

[lament mica]

I posted the photos of the old valley stadium oob candles here:
#beta-screenshots-videos message

My photos aren’t great, if anyone has better ones, I’d love to see them

[smoky trench]

PPFTT WHAT?? THATS SO COOL

[proper sierra]

Yessssssssssss

[spark lance]

i was a moth back then but those are good memories. Strangers helping one another with tables just like underground mushrooms in ark

[sterile trail]

I remember that

[quiet obsidian]

oh WOW. i’d really love to be able to explore extinct oobs like that, looking at the old screenshots makes me feel all warm and fuzzy it’s like looking back at a time when things were less complicated and there was less FOMO involved with sky

[sterile trail]

I remember when there were no IAPS (seasonal events wise)and it was only the gratitude AP and the candles

[lament mica]

The first overly expensive IAP imo was the lantern
Before that, things were a lot more reasonable
For example, the white flower that was for charity iirc was something like $25 but it came with like 75 candles or sth. And it was for charity. Earth cape was $5

[spark lance]

omg y'all 🤧 🤧

[quiet obsidian]

the lantern is WAAAAY overpriced, its not worth that much imo 😔 I wish that things weren’t so IAP centred nowadays

[smoky trench]

What are your guys opinions on the current state of pricing? Or better yet, how have you see the game change and how do you feel about the direction it's going?

I'm really curious

[sterile trail]

All is too expensive only the adventure passes are worth it

[exotic gorge]

Maybe should use the lantern to see whales better

[dull tiger]

I've been thinking about leaving beta honestly. Playing sky is more stressful than it is rewarding to me now. I really only still play because me and my dad bonded so much over it, and so I will continue to play the live game for that reason and that reason alone

[spark lance]

prices are exponentially rising

[quiet obsidian]

iaps are becoming way too expensive, i don’t remember a lot around the time before dreams and i don’t know anything of the prices during prophecy or before sanctuary. But i’ve seen over the past year or so, things have got worse and worse in terms of prices.

[spark lance]

i tried. it is useless.
i was curious because i have it in live so i was thinking finally it would have a use. but no-
Edit: wrong tag sorry@exotic gorge

[lament mica]

I stopped buying IAP for a while now. Things are way too overpriced and things don’t get cheaper overtime as one would expect with, you know, any other merchandise?
I’m a belonging kid btw (Dec. 2019)

[smoky trench]

Same here, but not for beta for live. The only reason I haven't left yet is only bc I've spent so much hours grinding on it and I feel like all of that would be for nothing

I've vented in the live feedback channel about how I feel about pricing, in hopes it would change anything but I don't think there's enough like overwhelming messages about the matter for tgc to notice

[dull tiger]

It should be a lot cheaper. If the AP is 20 dollars, then a whole season + its cosmetics is thus worth 20 dollars. That is the established worth of the whole season and all its content.

If you're gonna sell a cape or any other cosmetic, then I feel like 5 dollars is an acceptable price and nothing more. It's not enough content to warrant anything higher than that—from somebody who has actively been purchasing IAPs until the regretful purchase of the lantern

[spark lance]

i bought everything from founder's cape to mischief lamp and all IAP because they were rare and exclusive. But season of little prince was a turning point for me. scarf cape was my last IAP (other than APs)

[sterile trail]

Like I get they got to make money but they’ll lose money at this rate

[dull tiger]

Its very frustrating. I feel like many people have been making these complaints for months, and nothing has been done. It hasn't even been addressed as far as I know

[quiet obsidian]

I’ve got no plans to buy any iaps except the season passes and maybe the witch hat for the rest of the year, unless something comes out that really catches my eye. I don’t want to support TGC by buying their insanely overpriced cosmetics that i’ll never use, especially if they’re not creating especially quality season content now.

[lament mica]

Also, idk if you were here when I posted this but belonging had over 16 cosmetics and 6 emotes for pass holders. This one has like 12 cosmetics and zero emotes. Not sure the AP is worth it now either

[smoky trench]

I started really late assembly, and even the price of non iap items are to much to keep up with, I have travel spirits I have to buy that are a guaranteed 120+ candles, plus events with like 2 capes (looking at you bloom) are near 200 candles on there own.

[smoky trench]

Belonging had that much?! Holy crap-

[dull tiger]

Imo I would rather have a season that has a 40 day cooldown in between like they used to. Between the constant events and TS, it would give players a time to save up candles for the in game currency purchases.

Everything is so pushed together, it feels like they're doing nothing but create an enviornment that forces players to make purchases with their own hard earned cash.

The game wants to create a social enviornment, but at this rate people are too stressed with collecting seasonal candles, regular candles, and ascended candles to care about the social aspect of the game.

I haven't befriended a new player in months.

[dull tiger]

I agree with this. This season lacks anything worth purchasing. There is no story, there is no characters, there is nothing to attatch to this season. There is no emotional value at all. It just introduces fan favorite cosmetic ideas for a quick cash grab

[spark lance]

i remember TS being under 100 candles. we could farm enough candles from the day it was announced to when it arrives.

[quiet cliff]

I won’t be buying the season pass for shattering …. I usually buy 4 every season and gift 3 out to ppl who can’t afford one ! But not this time … just not worth it ! I agree on the pricing and iap are out of control TGC are getting greedy !

[smoky trench]

All my friends left sky bc of all this, plus I mean it let's the team rest for awhile (or finetune a season where they could do more with it)

[lament mica]

Oh yea, and back then we could get 21-24 candles a day with a full run (including Eden regular wax), but now, when I really want to grind, I will get 15-17 candles tops.
Also friendship tree AC prices are now 5 times more expensive and AC is more difficult to get.
Honestly if I were a new player it would make no sense to even try to get stuff.
And as a veteran it feels like I’m being punished for, you know, supporting TGC for 2.5 years

[dull tiger]

Would rather wait a month for a season than get something quickly that sucked. Season of Shattering is one big dissapointment, and they're fixing nothing

[quiet obsidian]

lately seasons seem to have just deteriorated, i believe that after dreams the seasons just started deteriorating, then we had a bit of a recovery with performance and now things are going back downhill even worse. I mean, when was the last time we had a six spirit season? it was TLP (unless i’ve just forgotten a whole season). TGC have been giving less cool and nice cosmetics as time has passed along with reducing the amount of emotes per season and overall the amount of cosmetics.

[dull tiger]

And they're twice as expensive. You can't miss more than a week ot two of grinding seasonal candles, or you won't finish the season

[spark lance]

it was such a good change when they moved warp way lower in friendship tree. Thing went downhill after they revert it back

[lament mica]

There’s still like a month for it to come out so maybe we can be hopeful?
Then again when broken patches with plenty of unfixed bug reports were pushed to live I kind of lost hope

[quiet obsidian]

god, at the rate it’s going i wouldn’t be surprised if we just got thrown a bunch of buggy, erratic red rocks in live and TGC called it a day. They don’t seem to be fixing any of the HUGE crashing bugs, and the shards are still hard to predict. Lighting is inconsistent and i just fear that at this rate they’re gonna let all this into live.

[smoky trench]

As someone who hasn't been able to buy iap, it's also really hard to feel included. Or to just be happy with a season/cosmetics you have, often times it can be stressfull or just straight sad (I know that sounds dumb 😭😭)

[quiet cliff]

Your the same as me ! Veteran of 2.5 yrs …. I get so stressed playing live now it’s nothing like it was when I first started …. Home was completely different …. The game was a happy place an escape from stress in RL …. Now I feel it’s a chore and new players have no idea what to do so I spend most of my time trying to teach moths …. It’s all just got too complicated … I want my old sky back

[tranquil folio]

sky inflation

[dull tiger]

It's infuriating the lack of thought and effort being put into this current season. I feel like they don't care much about the game anymore. It's TGC's current cash cow, and they're going to treat it as such. I don't feel hopeful for the future of the game

[tranquil folio]

this season feels.. hollow

[lament mica]

Yea… same here. And everything I’ve said here I’ve already sent to feedback 3 or 4 times

[smoky trench]

Ya same on the feedback part

[quiet cliff]

Same here but they don’t seem to be listening to us

[quaint jungle]

I dont like that the game is getting worse and worse. Even i notice it after dreams ended, from shrines to make eden harder, ts being more expensive, afk, more expensive iaps and now this

Props being useless, ac is now harder to get, events stacking up, yet still no tutorial on what to do in game

[shadow stratus]

I heard a lot of people had different crash issues and some cant even play the game
This season will take the spot of the little prince as worst season at this rate

[spark lance]

i understand how ppl without AP feel excluded.
I see so many ppl looking for AP in exchange of hearts. It breaks my heart seeing where the game is heading.

[quiet cliff]

Let’s face it …. To anyone who remember what sky was like 2019 /2020 …… to what it’s like now …. Absolutely chaotic!

[quaint jungle]

I wish i was an early 2020 player, only started playing after prophecy

[smoky trench]

I just don't get why...? Okqy making things more expensive..sure maybe they want us to buy candle packs. But why eden? Eden isn't the end more so as it is a place we spend 30 minutes in every week to come out with 15 ac. Plus why would you ever want to make it harder on your players at all with minor changes that change alot about candle running.

If you make things way harder people are going to look for exploits and some might even go as far as hacking

[quiet obsidian]

It’s truly frustrating because no matter how much feedback we send, TGC don’t seem to be listening. And that’s completely wrong. We’re the beta testers, a handful of players who are here to basically represent the whole community in our ideas of how new features are - difficulty, fun, stress, bugginess. If TGC won’t listen to those of us in Beta, then the rest of sky players won’t enjoy the game when features we don’t like arrive in live. It’s appalling that they can ignore us like this.

[spark lance]

as someone that played since sanctuary, 2019/2020 sky vs now is definitely different

[quaint jungle]

Worst part is that we used time and effort to help TGC fix the dang game. But no they decided to repay all of us with these horrid features and lackluster updates while their busy making the iaps look good

[quiet obsidian]

THIS. THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY TRUE. we put in our time and effort to beta test their game, and to give them an idea of what the community will like and dislike, and they ignore us time and time again while they polish and perfect their £20 cash grab IAPs.

[spark lance]

Every cosmetic idea that gets popular ends up as IAP.

[quaint jungle]

Abyss was basically forgotten because their too busy making the new boat iap work.

[quiet cliff]

Yep …. Nothing is unique or rare or vintage for veteran players to be separately noticed to immature players to seek advice or assistance

[shadow stratus]

There is the pendants already, that should be all you need

[quiet cliff]

We used to have an exclusive beta cape ….. to wear in live only beta players had them now you can go buy it …. Damn we earned that cape

[quiet obsidian]

and the fact that the boat iap does, in fact, not work properly to this day... on different people’s screens the boat goes in different directions and then when you get off the boat you’re both on either side of the lake the boat is in 💀💀💀

[drowsy island]

you still are unable to hug abyss guide btw 🌚

[quiet cliff]

To what are you referring too ?

[quaint jungle]

I remember everyone asking tgc to change the ults, but only changed the mask into something "realistic" when people asked to just remove the old masks physics on it.

[shadow stratus]

Its an item from the season that wont come back and the ults, we dont need anything else to be exclusive of certain period of time

[quiet obsidian]

abyss guide looks a lot like a base game spirit, it’s almost like they neglected her to focus on a certain very expensive buggy boat iap

[torn girder]

beta and office cape are still different so beta cape itself is impossible to get unlike office one, which you can buy for $30

[spark lance]

ngl i thought they'll give her a new design because her current design looks like a placeholder

[quiet obsidian]

also the abyss ult cape clips with your shoulders during one of the closet animations and one of the idle animations as well as probably a load of other animations, at least on tall height and bear in mind the last time i checked was at the end of that season. Again, an example of abyss getting neglect

[quiet cliff]

But most ppl wear the current pendent … to the most recent season … and they are not really noticeable let’s be honest yiu think any moth noticed them

[dawn crown]

Where are the shards today

[quaint jungle]

The braids dont look good at most hairs because of the lighting or gets covered by it. And the cape looks like a ts enchantment item not ult worthy

[shadow stratus]

I mean the moths will look at the beta cape and think its the forest spirit cape 💀

[exotic falcon]

For real though I really dont understand how even though they didnt have animate any emote... why aren't there more cosmetic? Maybe i just dont understand how game making works but I really wish TGC added more cosmetic so it makes buying AP feel worth the price;;

[quiet cliff]

Exactly the inner lining is a different color …. But why can’t is beta players get our cape any more ?

[spark lance]

ultimates are coming back so-

[torn girder]

well ig it was a one time gift so

[quiet obsidian]

oh yeah, the braid is still an off colour as of last time i checked. It doesn’t work with most hairs because the colours almost never match up right

[shadow stratus]

They are not the same and so far only happened to the penguin hair, that was a request of the community, and the instruments, i dont know the idea behind that one

[orchid nexus]

small piece of advice for beta testers: I've been in beta long enough to see a lot of beta players burn out over the same feeling of "not being listened to." Personally I think that's a feeling each of us can examine more closely. Due to the number of beta players, and the amount of feedback in live and beta, we are all guaranteed to see most of our individual feedback not have an obvious direct impact on the game. But we aren't entitled to that. We as a community have an impact though, and the longer I stick around, the more I see TGC does react to input. It's not always predictable, and I don't always agree, but it happens!

[quaint jungle]

The new season is expensive for less cosmetics for the same price. Imagine newcomers missing performance and saw how drasticly different they are

[quiet cliff]

Ahhhh I see !

[torn girder]

everyone knows about people asking for another owl hair, but who asked for reskinned instruments for real money? i don’t think anyone did

[drowsy island]

certainly not for 20 usd doesn't even have the same sound

[spark lance]

as i heard someone calling it "recycled cosmetics"

[smoky trench]

I do agree that they do listen to feedback sometimes and I've been really impressed by just the fact that they have! It's what drew me to sky in the first place. But this is a problem not only beta testers have been talking about, I've talk to countless people in live and beta who have said they've sent feedback about the matter of pricing and how unforgiving it is, it feels like it's overlooked

[shadow stratus]

I guess it was for giving people options, they are just the same as the originals except for the handpan
And to be fair, as much as im not a fan of expensive IAPs, we did got the music shop for free

[quaint jungle]

The penguin hair is just a temporary solution to a major problem. Watch as 2024-2025 players envy the new hair now and will do anything to get it

[lament mica]

Is the number of beta players shareable? What fraction of the total are the like 5-10 people talking about this rn, 0.1%, 0.01%, 0.001%?

[torn girder]

i’d rather save hearts and candles and buy from ts/regular spirit or just continue living, knowing that i’ll never get an instrument ult than pay double price the AP used to cost when the season with this ult was active

[spark lance]

imagine owl hair 3.0

[orchid nexus]

I don't have enough information on how TGC bases pricing decisions to even offer an opinion on what they should do. I wouldn't buy every single item just on principle, but TGC is a business and I have to assume their pricing reflects the market they're in, and responds to the pressures of how much players are and are not willing to actually spend. What we hear in discord, and what actual spend looks like may be vastly different, since this entire server is what, like less than 1% of all players?

[torn girder]

at this point i’m not sure if sky is gonna survive till these years

[quaint jungle]

Tgc does listen to some stuff, but lately they added a dumpload of anti user features that gives veterans an advantage due to the game being more forgiving in the past. I notice how they prioritize iaps more than the season themselves

[bold musk]

I never understood why people complained about the price if you can’t afford it don’t buy it just about everything they put in the seasons come back as traveling spirits and give opportunities to everyone to get them with candles so what is the issue really? 

[spark lance]

imagine how many seasons in total in 2024-2025

[trim tusk]

24-28 seasons

[shadow stratus]

I do gotta say that people in beta sometimes complain like if they gotta buy every single item on the store 💀

[chrome cypress]

I am no usually defend the company but sorry to say you guys are just being nostalgic and looking only the bad sides you wanna see.
If you care about have unique cosmetics you all still have them, ultimates gift of the season are still there and office cape is only a redesign of the beta cape for make other people enter office too (by pay 30$).
True price of game in general are more expensive now than before, but i remember you all that you are Not obliged
buy any iap.
I also remember that All company need money for go on, no one exclude, thas why a good game community is composed by F2p that can enjoy the game still and player that use money too for get something more or want support the company.
If you all think that TGC is excluse by this you are all deluded.

[orchid nexus]

I don't feel like i'm a good person to respond to that. My opinion is different, and I don't know what anti-user features you're referring to

[quaint jungle]

You expect newcomers to candle run 15 candles every day, to barely get the ts items while they add friends, get base game cosmetics and seasons?

[lament mica]

You’re talking about season passes, but IAP are all buyable things in addition to AP

[orchid nexus]

I don't know the number of total beta testers, but the people who talk here are a very small minority of all beta players, and beta is a tiny percent of live players. This chat is self-selecting for strong opinions!!

[bold musk]

For my new player friends I don’t let them waste candles on friendship I use my own candle.. it was a lot harder to candle run before then it is now ..

[spark lance]

The Issue is that even if we decide not to buy IAPs, it doesn't change the fact the IAP prices are exponentially rising. It is becoming a means to look more exclusive for new players that leads to FOMO who can't afford it.

[quaint jungle]

Anti user features that make people buy candle packs or force players to stay in game longer.

Examples being shrines to get hearts being 50 likes insted of 10 likes

Added an afk feature so people who want to help busy players get wax without looking at the screen 24 7

Ac inflation and making eden harder so people need to grind more and make it frustrating to play with.

None of these features are needed at all yet tgc added it anyways

[shadow stratus]

The iaps are not getting pricey? We always had a range from 10 to 20

[quaint jungle]

Its more of, iaps are getting overwhelming. Now theres 2-3 years of iaps and the prices and yet no discounts to older ones

Stack them high and your looking to spend 60$! Sometimes over that

[quiet obsidian]

i agree with this, i was struggling to put my thoughts into words but yeah, FOMO is a huge thing and the “if you can’t afford it don’t buy it” idea completely glosses over the fact that people are gonna get jealous about people who CAN afford those iaps and people generally will want to buy iaps for a variety of reasons

[exotic falcon]

I think it not all about the price increase but also more the quality ?

[smoky trench]

Not to mention the separation it creates, I've been mocked before for not having items ect, even tho I've been playing for a year my closet is still Hella small bc most things are ap or iap

[exotic falcon]

Reskin, slightly tweaked version of previous cosmetic selling as IAP might be part of the problem.. the anniversary guitar is an example we can never let go tbh

[orchid nexus]

oh, I see those features pretty differently than you. the like count, the heart gifting requirements, the afk stuff were done with goals of reducing botting, cheating, hacks, and some secondary markets. Of course those changes affect normal players in some ways, and each of us can decide whether to take it personally. I take it to mean they're protecting the in-game economy from exploitation and looking for ways to do it without hurting players.

[shadow stratus]

Yeah no the anniversary guitar was a shameless adition lol

[quaint jungle]

That one aint worth 30$ might as well get performance ap for a whole closet of items + candles

Thats 3 seasons worth

[quiet obsidian]

yes!!! i ended up caving and buying some iaps over the time i’ve played because of other players showing them off constantly, here i am and the only iap i ever wear consistently are the antlers from feast. I just don’t find the others to be worth it, but i felt a kind of pressure to buy them??

[shadow stratus]

But the heart gifting requirements, (unless if it was updated again this year) didnt stopped anything, what it did was to limit the person that accepted the friendship not be able to send the heart. The only thing that did was to make heart trading hard with newer people, wich is ironic because we got that update right before we got an double heart event

[lament mica]

Let me try to say it this way
When I bought IAP, I did it to support TGC. I even bought items I don’t like just to help them out, you know.
But I can’t afford $40 a month for this. I could afford $15-20 a month. AP for me and 2 friends is about 2 months worth for a 3 month long season. The cosmetics available are usually about $30. So if I have to choose between buying one single cosmetic for myself or 15 cosmetics for myself and two friends I’ll pick the latter. Especially since most of the things I enjoyed about Sky (oobing and chilling) are becoming harder and harder to do

[smoky trench]

Yes! Iap in any game will always leave people feeling excluded when they can't buy them, but the the feast horns are my favorite iap ever I've wanted them for so long but when they came last year I couldn't afford it at the time, and I still feel bad 😭

[quaint jungle]

Only way you can chill in sky is if your a veteran who has 1.5k candles and gotten all ts 💀

[chrome cypress]

Idk about you but getting 15 candles for days is quite good, even if you get the max of 22, i really no see the necessary 9f buy pack, plus isn't if you stay more in game you get more candles anyway once you reach the grey icons.
Afk was add cause people leave their phone on all day/night under the Sakura tree that time, only disabled collecting wax after 10 minutes you remain in same map, if you do cr i hardly see you remain more that 10 minutes in one map poin.
Eden and all new features are still in beta and we beta tester are give our best for feedback, and Tgc staff even came in this chat for ask about and talk with us, all is still in development thas why is in beta.
I can say i agree with the shines ones, it got probably take hight cause people do run for get likes

[shadow stratus]

I mean, you are not forced to buy everything tho

[quaint jungle]

I had the same thought when i first saw it im 2020, snatched it asap in 2021 feast. Used that thing 24-7

[spark lance]

@shadow stratus this

[orchid nexus]

I don't know if either of us can say what effect it had on cheats, self-bots, or secondary market heart-farming. We can agree that requirements were added to legit players though, but so far I haven't found them to be very difficult to meet, or to have hurt my own gameplay at all

[quaint jungle]

15 is good for those who have some extra candles, but for those who are newer it would be hard to save much. They will be forced to buy packs to get the ts items.

Ill say that amount is enough in 2020-2021 but not this year due to ts being 150+ and a year backlog from events

Tlp moths had to forcefully learn how to candle run insted of doing it naturally just to get the most candles in every location possible

[shadow stratus]

Yes but i think it needed improvement, maybe it already did because i dont tested it this year. Back then one of the people would be able to send while the other not, it created a lot of confusion during the event

[smoky trench]

I feel like if you make things harder as well, or more grindy your going to have even more players who are going to look for exploits and ways to make things easier. I've met people who say they only hack so can the get candles and hearts without all the hassle

[hushed arch]

theres also people who refuse to be friends with you if you dont look like youve played for a while (especially in beta) which adds to fomo

[lament mica]

If I’m chatting with my friend on the phone it will be way slower. Since my friend is chatting with me on the phone and I’m leading they have no reason to touch their screen. (They also happen to have problems with their hands so they can’t touch the screen too often)
Like this it’s suuuuper easy to take over 10 min to do one map and have my friend be afk

[shadow stratus]

I honestly dont see anything wrong with that at all, i personally would hate having a new player as a friend because i hate teaching

[orchid nexus]

so I actually came here to talk about what's actually in beta-testing right now though: I've been avoiding reading people's opinions on the season so I can explore and form my own opinions. Now I'm curious to know more what other people think. I've felt confused by the placement and timing of the shards, and did not at all understand when or why the cosmetics became available to me to unlock. I can't tell if I was just confused by how the warp-to-quest-giver function changed. It's been a long time since I was a new player, but some of the season stuff has made me feel like one again. which can be both good and bad

[hushed arch]

then just… don’t teach them? you can friend a moth and not have them depend on you to exist

[quaint jungle]

People can be multitasking, the afk feature just ruins the fun on players and dosent even solve the problem. People with alts can easily bypass it since their devices are together...? unlike a friend whos busy doing schoolwork

[shadow stratus]

I will feel bad for having them and not teaching them

[twin isle]

especially if they keep grabbing ur hand and beeping at u to hurry up lol

[lament mica]

A new player who maybe has 50 friends of which 20 or so are active would have an extremely hard time getting 50 likes. They have a hard time getting 10 likes even!
And the fact that messages that we do get to see in shrines are perhaps half from strangers with over 1k likes… ish

[chrome cypress]

I give you my example I buy iaps too, but i haven't buy new redesign of instruments cause i no care about them, but i saw people that have the original ones but buy them anyway, is a Choice that eveyone do with their money and if they can do it. You no need feeling obliged for it.

[quaint jungle]

I personally put newer players perspective above mine, since they are the ones getting affected the most and dont have a voice because most people here played for months now

[quiet obsidian]

i definitely agree on the placement and timing of shards, from what i’ve seen it’s hard to predict the exact times because of bugginess and delays

[orchid nexus]

I've never liked the message shrines so I can't comment on whether it's harder to get hearts

[quaint jungle]

You would be lucky if you manage to get 3 likes. Since those friends dont even know you placed a note unless they found it

[shadow stratus]

About the shard timing, i also still dont think is cool to have a mission "go to shard" if there is a time where the shard is not there, it can make the mission impossible for anyone that has a very strict time to play

[lament mica]

Also, people who have ADHD or dissociative disorders will just zone out even if the only activity they are doing is playing Sky… it’s an accessibility issue

[orchid nexus]

that's the other side of my confusion: new versions with bug fixes and I still don't quite understand the mechanics. I wish I could restart the season. I mean... I'll get a chance to when it's live!

[chrome cypress]

When you talk with your friend you tap the screen 🙃
Also when i am reference to map part i mean literally on section of the map, evry time you enter a new zone of the map, example from nest to sanctuary the afk will be reset to 0

[spark lance]

talking of alts. wasn't having multiple accounts against terms of TGC?
i see so many players mentioning their alts in "looking for grp live" channel

Also doesn't that reflect how the game is now. ppl make 2 accs for hearts

[lament mica]

Oh no, I mean talking on the phone and taking 20 min to do the first part of forest

[shadow stratus]

Making more accounts is allowed, yet not recommended
Benefitting yourself from it is what goes against the ToS

[quaint jungle]

Not really against tos, unless you "gain advantage to it"

Cant really say that brining your other account with you is an advantage since its the same thing as bring a friends acc. You still have to do the work, but you arent lonely in game

[spark lance]

but there is no way to check if ppl are benefitting themselves.
I am not able to think of any other reason to make multiple accounts other than hearts

[lament mica]

I made mine to help me oobing and candle running in general. She gets an AP and some IAP too. And she used to trade just like any regular player does

[shadow stratus]

I did it for content creation

[quaint jungle]

No one knows which is an alt or not, theres a chance its a friend or family acc. Thats why the afk dosent do anything but cause annoyance

[spark lance]

That gives me a positive outlook even if these reasons are a small percentage.

[shadow stratus]

I dont think the afk is really a issue , what are you doing in 10 minutes that you cant touch the screen/ leaving your phone open in a spot far from you?

[twin isle]

The afk thing is frustrating bc some days I'd have to study for exams but still needed candles and would ask my friend if I could tag along on their cr and that I'd take them on one after exams ended. Now I can't do that :/

[quiet obsidian]

i hope that TGC manage to clean up the season and make it easier to understand and follow, so far it’s all been confusing because of bugginess and timings, while also being a monotonous kind of confusing on top of that. there seems to be a complete lack of direction storywise, leaving me scratching my head after each quest wondering what on earth i just witnessed

[lament mica]

(I actually have 4 accounts in beta - two of them I use to test the world as a new player would see it - it’s a very interesting experience and I recommend it for people who have been playing for long enough to be able to put themselves in the shoes of newer players)

[quaint jungle]

There are times im not looking at my phone because im busy doing other stuff. I cant just stare at the game 24-7 especially if i played the same areas over and over for a year

Grandma and geyser are major examples on where afk is common

[twin isle]

I don't understand why in beta 😭😭😭

[hushed arch]

something something #beta-feedback and #live-feedback

[rare flicker]

Where’s the shard in the valley today?

Ohh ok that spirit

[chrome cypress]

I can totally say that if some has one alt there is no problem with it.
Taking advantage would be like have space parallel on your phone so you can have 8 sky app and have 8 alt that give you hearts

[spark lance]

you are one dedicated player i would say. i can barely handle one of each, live and beta

[agile hazel]

Ok, just being greedy and taking up spots that other people could have gotten

[raw wasp]

You see, you don’t teach the moth. The moth teaches you

[lament mica]

For texting purposes 😊 you know like “you should get a message if you’ve never done Eden)

[oak remnant]

It's in hermit village

[quaint jungle]

Idk how the hell people can candle run 8 alts every single day. How do you have 8 phones lying around?!

[twin isle]

Someone has 8 different devices all running alts at once linked up in a chain

[rare flicker]

Near the hug spirit?

[hushed arch]

alts should be banned imo, since everyone seems to use them for hearts

[shadow stratus]

Alts should not banned because that basically would ban innocent people as well

[zenith mist]

i thought alts were banned 🤨
nobody saw that typo

[hushed arch]

it doesn’t matter because the majority is using them to get a better advantage at playing than normal players, like hacking

[quaint jungle]

Even then its impossible to detect. Only way to know is that some player has 20 accs trading to themselves every day.

[raw wasp]

This isn’t rlly a beta discussion anymore imo

[lament mica]

Actually I only use one spot. The app is linked to my AppleID but I synch different accounts with gmail.
Please don’t make assumptions about people especially if you don’t know them

[shadow stratus]

You are assuming that a majority uses for that, you dont know the numbers, if innocent people get backfired, there is no reason to do it

[oak remnant]

Noo. It's near the cave on uphill

[twin isle]

Or maybe tgc should make hearts easier to get. Like having the qg trees refresh every other month or allow us to buy hearts from npc spirits daily by doing special quests.

If people are using alts then there's obviously an issue with the currency not the people using alts. If tgc wanted to stop it then they should fix the hearts being hard to get. AC isn't the rarest currency for some players. It's hearts.

[agile hazel]

I mean you literally stated you had 4 beta alts, I didn't assume that

[rare flicker]

I’ll go look, thanks

[hushed arch]

yeah we should move to #general-sky-discussion or change topics

i know this is the complaining chat but still

[spark lance]

Hermit valley, where the new rainbow is. adjacent to tunnel leading to wind path

[shadow stratus]

That is a way better solution, feel like their view of hearts are outdated, they probably still want to gift each other instead of trading lmao

[lament mica]

Accounts and spots are not the same thing.

[ashen tusk]

if you have 4 beta accounts that's 3 extra beta tester spots either way you spin it

[rare flicker]

Idk where the rainbow or wind path is 😭 lemme fly around until I see it

[quaint jungle]

In the end your forced to do heart trades, how about the minors who cant even use discord to find someone or dont want to find strangers to "hopefully not get scammed and lose candles"

[raw wasp]

I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works though. Because testflight is an apple thing not a tgc thing…

[hushed arch]

couldnt we ask a tgc staff member if beta alts are allowed? not saying we should ping but

[spark lance]

some of them can't even spell "harts"

[shadow stratus]

Pretty sure they would calculate the spots trough downloads and devices actives not accounts created

[lament mica]

No, really, I have one spot. I’m really not sure how that’s taking more than one at all. And it’s super useful for bug reporting as I’ve explained above

[raw wasp]

As in like, the capacity of TestFlight is not linked to the number of accounts within the Sky beta itself, as I understand it.

[hushed arch]

also tbf anyone under 13 shouldn’t be playing online games anyways but nobody cares about internet safety anymore

[raw wasp]

It’s linked to how many people have the sky beta app itself, not accounts IN beta. That’s my understanding at least because, like i said, TestFlight is an Apple thing, not a TGC thing

[twin isle]

|| should probably delete this is against tos||

[ashen tusk]

that's assuming this person has 4 separate devices which is not what they've said at all, they've said they use different log in methods???
Either way I don't see any reason for someone to have 4 beta accounts idk

[orchid nexus]

Aside from confusion on the mechanics, I really really love the void spaces. they aren't exactly "story" elements and aren't very dynamic outside of just being there... but I still feel like they add to the world

[shadow stratus]

No, that is a explanation that he is not taking anymore slots out of 1

[raw wasp]

They’re pretty, artistic? In a good way.

[rare flicker]

They’re amazing

[spark lance]

i have a 7yo moth in live

[twin isle]

I like the void spaces but wish the season had more story. The teaser trailer for the season led me to believe we'd be getting cutscenes and stuff.

[ashen tusk]

Probably should report them for safety reasons, for a start they shouldn't be sharing their age

[quiet obsidian]

i like the void spaces too, but it would help if they added to the story more and had a more coherent idk like, uhhhh, message i guess? currently all they do is showcase some creatures, there’s no message or story behind each memory from what i can see.

[quaint jungle]

Would be nice if theres more of them, it would be visual story telling than rune drawings slapped on a wall.

Like your physically in it

[spark lance]

i had her older brother added first but i saw her unaccompanied sometimes.

[rare flicker]

Update I found the valley shard

[woven cedar]

the whales are so bigggg

[quiet obsidian]

agreed, they fr hyped up the lore and story elements just for them to be completely nonexistent

[shadow stratus]

Drawings with meditation where the thing on the drawing would become the memory

[quaint jungle]

Right now the void rooms are just asset dumps so that it isint a empty room 💀

[orchid nexus]

yeah, this is what excited me about the void: can be expanded on in the future maybe to really show a lot of the rune images in a more tangible way

[spark lance]

now u know everything hermit valley, rainbow and wind tunnel

[rare flicker]

Yayyyy thank you 🙏

[chrome cypress]

I have friend quite very young players too🥺
They need get protect

[tidal fable]

I hope the final quest its not about Shard quest

[orchid nexus]

next up: season of story: each and every mural/rune/pictogram in Sky can be touched, and will take you to void space representation of that moment in Sky history... I wish

[twin isle]

The moment a younger player discovers I'm older than them they make me their parent and vent space and that gets super tiresome usually I end up blocking because becoming a therapist isn't why I get on sky.

[quaint jungle]

Nahhh its gonna be eden, because they added the new crawl mechanic! They cant just waste their time and not make it a seasonal task. We need the darn kids to suffer more

[mossy nova]

Hello,,, can i ask what is the price for the rainbow head phones?

[quiet obsidian]

i don’t think we know lol

[lament mica]

I like them but they’re too dark and have no sources to replenish light so it feels like if I’m not wearing a fire prop then I can barely explore it.
I also find it sad that I can’t really go there unless I complete a shard event
And to answer your previous question, two things I find very confusing
One is that it’s not clear how many plants/for how long I should burn. The medi circle will just appear after some time even though there are still plenty of plants out there?
The other is the timer in the catch the light phase. It’s super tight especially if you’re solo and it’s not clear why there are so many waves instead of just one with lots of time

[chrome cypress]

Wish last quest show the King or something unexpected

[twin isle]

I tried flying to wing lights and couldn't make it bc I don't collect wl. just had to shrug and go home

[quaint jungle]

You only get a mural or some model of the king that apperes for 10 seconds on a cutscene. If were lucky

[spark lance]

i really wished eden got a makeover :(

[quiet obsidian]

earlier i was discussing something along the lines of how even a huge lore dump like that at the end of the season might not be worth it at the rate we’re going because it doesn’t change how monotonous the rest of the season is. It would be good and it would help improve the season but that alone couldn’t make it worthwhile.

[chrome cypress]

Same , especially when they start call me mum or big sis xD
But i no block them, i teach them how game works and show them oob, they usually like them a lot

[orchid nexus]

I had similar experiences. going to void with other people makes them more fun to explore, but I haven't tried warping to a friend who's in the void. Yes, the shard-burning thing has been buggy and confusing. I hope there are solid improvements. I really like intentionally getting beaned by the meteors though, and I wish there were a little warning and some time to look up in the sky to see them coming

[oak remnant]

If I wish that the seasonal quest wouldn't be monotonous and have clear prompts would it be asking too much 😔

[quaint jungle]

Peoples expectations of this season will be crushed. No one ever thought the season would be outside eden for majority of the tasks or expect no emotes and seasonal area

[quiet obsidian]

i wish they would keep the current parts of the pre-PNR areas but expand upon them and make the area bigger around what is already there totally not biased towards keeping what we have currently because my favourite hangout spots are all little spots in the eden we have rn

[timid valve]

What could be done to make the shard quests less monotonous? I think they’re cool but it does get old. Idk how they would make it more interesting tho.

[chrome cypress]

I was see it coming, everyone was too excited for it now mostly get disappointed by it :/

[oak remnant]

Adding a gradual difficulty, for example?

[orchid nexus]

more meteors?! :redrain:

[spark lance]

yes like adding a small area, that would be fun to explore

[quiet obsidian]

i think the most obvious thing to do would be to make one or two of the quests be shard quests then include other quests that incorporate more lore and story.

[quaint jungle]

Change up the area, make the spirits around it fear for their lives. Make the season challanging and unique

The vibe dies out when i see the dreams guide standing there

[chrome cypress]

More crabs

[lament mica]

Agreed. I also really really dislike the invincible crabs. There’s just nothing to do but be hit and hope someone else is in the same server and hasn’t been hit too. It feels extra helpless given that we can’t open the emote menu and have a recharge potion.

[orchid nexus]

I went to eden, to the spires above the PNR at mountain-explody-time and was disappointed that I didn't get to witness the explosion up close and personal

[scenic jewel]

Super sad that I have all the hearts for ult gifts and they are still eaten by skybot

But appreciating that there was no bugs for me today did the quest easily in one try

[oak remnant]

But tbf if I have to choose a stable game and interesting content I would wish they focus on fixing that horrible crashing bugs. It's frustrating. sigh I love this season premise bbbbbut- 😔

[quiet obsidian]

In fact, to expand on this, rather than quest one being clear darkness everywhere each quest could have a (faster than the normal event)clear darkness quest segment then after that you could help spirits to clear up the damage. This would be a neat callback to previous seasons e.g. if a shard fell in flight you could help the spirits rescue birds, perhaps in assembly you could do a scavenger hunt mini game and in dreams you could help the skater cheer up citizens of village of dreams

OOOOOPS DISCORD GLITCHED I LOST THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE LOL

[lament mica]

I did the shard event next to grandma all by myself and lost only 12 stars because there are heaps of butterflies. Otherwise I would have lost way more

[spark lance]

i think we all got an extra heart from the trees

i got an extra 2 from the darkness tree even though i already completed it before

[quaint jungle]

What if you have to clean the rocks from the whole season releam than just 1 location?

Lets say dreams valley + hermit area

[orchid nexus]

I don't have crashing problems myself, and I also do software dev work on mobile apps sometimes, so all I can say to that is: developing for android is a nightmare, and it's beyond impressive to me that Sky runs so beautifully on so many different android devices. I know that doesn't make it better for those people who can't play it though

[timid valve]

I like the idea of having to clean the shards in a whole realm but with the shards only falling every 30 mins it could take a long time to do

[ashen tusk]

Definitely upset me that we don't see anything in eden when eruptions happen but someone else here (not sure who, I'm sorry) said it would probably make Eden a bit too intense

[golden steppe]

older IAPs who won't return ever

[orchid nexus]

hhhh eden too intense

[oak remnant]

I know. That's why I'm afraid I'm asking too much. If I want a stable game and more content.