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The invite waves are sent when devs need more testers, those are not tied anymore to a start of a new season
Which is also stated in the FAQ.
Sorry but ty for the answer
Yes it is, but if you can, it's easier to send direct info, it can be someone from another language that can't read or understand properly
There are a few useful automated bot replies as well as two FAQs on the server, so that people can get correct information in one place. We're asked to provide feedback and bug reports in English, so it's probably a "soft" requirement to be able to communicate in that language. (Although, having said that, devs also get a lot of info from just regular gameplay.)
People who doesn't understand english uses translators to send the feedback, If you check the bug reports there are a lot of people that are clearly using a translator
Yes. I don't think I said that wasn't allowed. I'm assuming it can also be used for the FAQ?
I didn't say you said that, i only said people use translators to send feedback/bug reports!
And translating from your language to another one is easier than from other language to your Native language, because the translation tends to be innacurate for countries with different alphabets
Season of Performance 👀
Season of Rhythm 👓
Ok. I'm really just saying that the FAQ (and the bot messages) contain a lot of useful information that can be very important for potential new tester.
It's like 3 months since last invite
7mins to go for sunset
Apparently, they don't need more testers right now. 
Ik, but let's try to tell them the infos if they ask too, sometimes only directing people to other channels seems kinda rude and like we don't have the patience to tell them the info, even if we don't mean that
I think it's nicer to tell people directly the answer when they have a question
How about this message:
The knowledge you seek and more will be revealed to you when you read #beta-faq kind stranger. Good luck with your beta adventure whenever it begins
How about "Invites will be there when TGC needs more testers, see #beta-faq for more information"
Haha i love it 
How about
"Invites will be there when TGC needs more testers, The knowledge you seek and more will be revealed to you when you read #beta-faq kind stranger. Good luck with your beta adventure whenever it begins"
Ok I'm gonna head out to sanctuary for sunset 🌇
In my experience, writing a long reply has about the same effect as the short one. But if you find one here that you like, I think you can put it in your Discord clipboard for re-use next time.
The last quest- there are two blessings- I keep getting error with blessing and it doesn’t let me report it as screen freezes when I try to upload the screen shot. Anyone else got the problem?
Really hoping the updates to the trench in Sanctuary are permanent
So how do you guys feel about the upcoming season im loving the masks and the owl hair 2.0
theoretically they should since they should be banning hackers but nope 
this season is proving that valley seasons are superior 
I love the floppy hood 
All of it 
Definitely buying season pass when it comes out
It also had me wondering if the owl hair be the first or last ultimate gift
I'm not sure yet. But right now it's the first. It could change later
yeah i can't wait to see what the other UGs look like
I AM GOING TO SCREAM BC TAILCOAT TAILCOAT TAILCOAT 
I feel like this season is perfect, it covers a lot of aspects players wanted to see, a lot of functionality and the area feels cosy and doesn't follow the big place but nothing to do formula we've been getting. The season is on par with Dreams tbh
Of course it’s not skybot, that was abyss

I also love how it gives us like 3 major things that I noticed. An expansion to a seasonal area, new game features, and possibly a step in returning ults.
Speaking of expansion, this could be a start to like expanding other seasonal areas (maybe we'll finally get to know what's behind that door at the underground caverns in a future season
)
So.. does anyone know if the turtle comes at a certain time? And is it near the coral? I am sorry, I searched the channel!
Honestly the highlight of the season for me isn't the returning ult, I have a love/hate relationship with cosmetics as it is. I love how interactive the quests are, finally we aren't being told to fetch that or fetch this! And our sky kid is actually so expressive during the cutscenes 
Yep. Definitely the most interesting (even the best) quests we got so far
Can I talk about how nice it was to play music with the spirits! Also that the spirits clap and cheer when you do stuff on stage. It's so wonderful to see so much interaction 
Oi, quick question! Are we supposed to be able to see other players' speech? Or is it a bug.
I think it's a bug honestly, huge concern if this is a feature
Exactly! Last time I felt this way about quests was back in Dreams
It's only when the strangers are holding hands you can see their speech it feels, I already reported it but big yikes
The interactions feel very real, like we're part of the overall story but in somewhat of an imperfect way. I don't know how to explain it but it feels like we're connecting more with the spirits thru their shortcomings instead of our size and flight being used to get this or fix that
theater kids rejoice!
frantic stagehand is a biiiig mood
Dreams was just perfection
Ah yes, I don't want people seeing my personal messages to friends TωT
Hopefully it'll be fixed soon
I only saw it when two people were chatting, i gotta go find bigger groups if this applies too, and piggyback
Yet again TGC setting the bar with this season and I'm all for it
I see it for anyone. My friend's chat was visible despite no one holding hands
Like as in you unlocked chat with them?
That's how it is for me too
I mean. My friend and another friend could speak to each other when they weren't even friends.
And no one was holding hands
It's only with the message bubbles, too. You can't see what strangers are saying in the chat window
I found that strange too
^^
Did they light eachother up or smth? It's a wack bug
Nope
Weird,
I like the concept of talking to them though. Like asking for quick help or directions but it's a big privacy concern for me
It could work if you have to light them up but even then..
A friend of mine tried to find me by playing Marco polo with the bug. It is fun, but the privacy is definitely a big worry
It could work if you had the option to let your messages be public or added friends only via a toggle button in settings maybe 🤔
Isn't it already confirmed as a bug
Yeah but people are wondering if it could work as a permanent feature bc it makes communicating a little easier in some situations
Yeah. Maybe they were trying to figure out something like that and it bugged to where everyone can see people's messages
It really fun though when at space like prairie social site or gw social site
If it can be a feature, maybe when staying at those places as I mentioned up there, chat are visible to all. When leave those specific place, chat goes back to normal
Oh definitely! I've met some of the funniest people, haha. If it had an option as to whether people can see your speech like that person said, it would be a lovely feature
Yea! They could consider adding a toggleable option for who can see your messages and then limit that feature to some social spaces in the game as well ^^
It adds a new way to communicate with others without being too invasive and also gives people the choice to pursue these interactions
ktjn's clones are watching
clones....?
Maybe they're just here to take notes 
hopefully
As if we got them right

Beta discussion: talks about feature ideas due to beta bugs
TGC: quick, write that down, write that down-
I remember responding to skybot with "hi ktjn" when I was a moth lmao
That's wholesome
You see I would be really happy if they actually took the feedback, a lot of other companies don't care TwT
We love rambo hair
How long until next turtle time 🐢? 🌝 next hour?
📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.
I do look forward to when people legitimately get all 3 ults though
They look so well together based on the guide's fit, really looking forward to seeing what the cape looks like in flight!
Anybody know how to complete the third quest? I have no idea how to ;0;
can i ask, what do you mean by this? 🤔
I think it starts 5 minutes after grandma (?) not too sure. haven't had much luck seeing the turtle. it's in sanctuary islands btw
It says in the post about it on insta that - ‘turtle and sunset will appear every 2 hours after the reset tarting at 00:50 in sanctuary islands, duration 10 min.
im surprised at the order of ult items so far, I thought the hair would be the last one to grab
Sooo about 15/20 min left now
Same. I was kinda shook when I realised I got it👀 guess we value them differently than TGC
perhaps its just beta being beta, these things are usually the first to change
Just downplay the hair so that it seems to be of less importance
Anyone having problems with their constellation today?
138 more hearts to go!
hey everybody!Does anyone know how to qualify for a test suit?🤔
can i know now still can download beta sky in Nintendo switch?
no, switch beta doesn't exist anymore
Ok thx
Gone, reduced to atoms
Where is the 🐢 ?! I thought it was meant to be now 😭
Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself instead of asking here when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve 
A lot of players are having trouble seeing the turtle. It seems if you cannot see the sunset, you also can’t see the turtle. Just tested it with a friend. If you can see the sunset explore the underwater trench and you should find the turtle
Sunset?? In sanctuary???
The turtle cape has me like:
“A turtle made it to the water!”
Check out #beta-screenshots-videos (scroll up)
So the sun literally sets in sanctuary?????
Dayum thats
That's a red sun
Red Sun over paradise
OK no one got that. Fine.
Hey is anyone else having the problem where 2 of the emotes just won't show up in my emote emote menu, even tho I can buy things from them? Should I report this?
Any idea why i am just getting only two of the emotes?
The other two are friendship emotes
You can't use them alone
Go, poke a friend or amth
The dancing one is an friendship emote?

Yeah go poke a friend and dump some candles
Damn i really wanted to dance with it since I got no one 
It looks very funny if not cute
They’re not emotes but friendship actions to be unlocked with your friends
Hhhh

Error with blessing.???
Beta being beta, better wait for those blessings to be fixed
True true
I just entered regular sky and it said “sky beta crashed” 
Man its an old thing but man if only the friendshio emotes actually made an attemot at matching heights
Which is hard yes but ayo i aint clappin the air
I bought one, saw an error, then decided to wait to collect the next 
Jesus christ this censor
I remember seeing a ricked candle somewhere, i wonder if its still here rolling
These new friendship emotes almost make me want a nose boop friendship emote,,
SAME

Where exactly do you have to go in sanctuary to see the turtle? I’m not sure wheee the trench is. I saw someone post about there being darkness to melt as well? And big shells?
whats the turtle and how it works?
Hi yes I just wanted to say that I love this season so much 
I was wondering: when does the sanc sunset happen? we tried at an odd and an even hour but, no luck. Can anyone help?
Seems to behave just like geyser and grandma dinner
finally ill have a friendship emote than i can get a level 2 of 
hey guys i need help 😅
there is an actual moth in the beta game, like.. someone who is brand new to sky??? 😅😅
Brand new? So like they don't know how stuff works? Just tell them this is the wrong place
we’re trying to tell her but she’s confusing us.. shes probably a kid
she doesn’t even know how emotes work and how to stop them hhhh
Just be like "hey I think you downloaded the wrong game. Download Sky Children of Light, not Sky Beta"?
That's a bit of a pickle
she told us she couldn’t get in sky (LIVE) 🤔
Is the game not echoing for anyone else? My partner and I have tried going to even the echoiest places and nothing
Even prairie caves don't echo for you?
Nope! Not the Prairie caves, nor the temples, nor the yeti’s cave
something happened where the reverb and echo on areas is gone, best to put it in #beta-feedback and put in a bug report so TGC can fix it
Ahh, gotcha! Thanks for the heads up, I thought I was going nuts X) Glad it’s not intentional
i noticed that too!!!
thing is: i'm not too sure if it is intentional or an actual mistake, the echo has always been there but the recent update kinda just, snagged it out of the game so it's better to put in feedback so that TGC can do something to fix it
Hey what do you guys think of the new season’s ultimate hair gift?
I think it’s cute! It looks so fuzzy and fits the ult mask >w<
I agree it’s super cute, I’m just concerned about how similar it is to the season of rhythms’s ult hair
That debate has come and gone, you should submit your concerns to #beta-feedback maybe O:
Oh sorry I didn’t see haha
Reset +50mins, every 2 hours
i love it so much
It’s alright!! Just don’t wanna get the beta chats all worked up about the ult hair again, but we definitely want TGC to see and consider all opinions about the hair 
It’s still in early beta, after all ! 
Is anyone else having constellation issues where you light or send a heart and the next time you open constellations during the same 24hrs they appear unlit and unsent?
i don’t think so, but i’d submit it 😅
I think it’s the same person as the Rhythm qg
Ty, ofc I will.
Yeah this has been a problem for a few weeks now for almost everybody
Dayum they grew a lot taller
Maybe they’re cousins 
And got promoted to theater director
I still can't get over their height
If you compare Rhythm qg and Performance qg, they have the same clothes besides the cape and the mask. The hair got a bit ruffled haha
And yeah taller and hotter 👌
👍 💖
Hhotter????
You disagree? 
thats it UNLEASH THE BONK

H-hotter???? HAHA WHAT
People keep saying the performance guide is hot and half of me is like “what.” And the other half is “ok but they do look great,,” 
I’ll just say they’ve got a 11/10 sense of fashion 
They do have the drip
Reminder that this supposed to stay family friendly
We’re talking about the performance guide’s fashion 
The cape tho 👌👌
Immaculate
Tbh im not a big fan of the cape. If it was a darker red on the inside i would like it a lot more.,,
I just want them to make the cape a little longer and I’ll be 120% sold on it (I’m already at a 100, buying AP, but longer cape would be a “slams credit card on table seasonal candle packs now”)
Longer on the front maybe
I’ll probably be buying the ap for the first two ults. Also glad we’re finally getting more animal masks its been a hot minute and I started in Assembly
I feel like it would be cool for the nature crown to have colored coral on the branches
Literally my hopes for the next season was more animal masks, specifically bird masks, and I’m so happy with the mask ult
I wonder if we’ll ever get other kinds of animal masks too though tbh. It is probably a guarantee with Fortune but like…. Funny
The default skykid mask but with two cat ears
Cat, dog and more bird masks!? Count me in
Id like one of those masks that are like the tiki masks irl
We really need a fashion season in sky 💅🏻✨
Full on pants season XD
I want more wildlife tbh,
Though it will be hard to code in
I want goat masks and masks of related animals…
Guys if we buy the wips rn will we still get to keep it or will it be taken away?
I think well get to keep them
They’ll stay, most likely. Only thing you really should avoid is the stuff w the circle w a mark thru it. Those are null items and TGC wont compensate you if you claim them by accident
We are buying its placeholder, the item itself can change but you will keep the item
The only things you should not buy are the null 🚫 icons :]
offer your candles to the 🚫 to feed the void
Uh is it just me or are the stagehands animations a little wonky with the hood?
Observation : I didn't get the sunset at Sanctuary. I exited to the birds nest and came back to trigger it
I think red edges also nice
I saw a video of the electric guitar's sound... rlyrlyrlyrly wish have a distortion effect on it, i mean we got the rockstar hair alrdy, but da guitar sounds like a pop/indie genre electric guitar 😭
I’ll not comment on it then, it is beta after all! It’s meant for little adjustments like this.
how do I see the sunset on the sanctuary island?
three void is happy to have a snack, the void offsets the 100k we got from conversion 
tfw you are out of ascended for the 6th week in a row 
You can put this in #beta-feedback too :]
Ahhh ok thankyouuu i got comfused 💀
You're ok! I just thought it was a good idea to leave as feedback as well
For some fun with sunset at Sanctuary : trigger the cutscenes that you can while the sunset is ON. They give you gorgeous photo ops
Anyway i can get into beta ios rn?
Guys which spirit has the ||guitar||?
Hello, I'm new.
Nvm found it
idk if im late finding this out but anyone noticed that they removed the kizuna ai items?
((might have to re-read the updates i might’ve missed sth idk
The musician didn't use their guitar for the performance??? 😂
ah yeah, those were removed some time ago
another question, is going capeless really popular in beta rn or is that another bug?
It’s real! You can buy it from one of the elders after eden for 999 hearts
It's also really popular right now because a lot of people got it recently with the absurd amount of excess candles obtained from a bug. They converted to regular candles before TGC wiped them (and actually I think they still haven't been wiped, I still have like 80k candles myself...)
Capeless is not real because capeless kids can't fly. However beta has the invisible cape for 999 hearts
...for real?
Yes, it will stay in beta only for the foreseeable future though
I do not have the mental strength for 800 trades, but interesting to know
pov they add it in live but it's -1 candle which you cannot achieve
Who knows when the eligibility will be open again?
No one knows. It's not scheduled
ohhh ighty tyty !!
why season of performance's ultimate gifts look like season of rhythm
Yeah, it's just a curly hair.
No one knows. We beta testers get stuff to test only without backstory
okok I got it
we don't know more plans of devs or motives of staff than anyone else.
it's just a guess, maybe the owl hair is the most requested items that players wants to comeback... So, they put up with it
I also read somewhere, someone says that TGC will bring back the owl hair one way or another
I think so
ya TGC said that before
And also it looks cool--- but felt like the sound is uhh... too simple for it
Could you please link source? They told they wanted to bring back ults I don't remember they mentioned owl hair. Also this current one is different looking than that
oh THAT'S why it sounds off, there's no distortion
i'd like to see that added, it fits headbang's aesthetic more
I honestly can't remember where I saw it... and I think it was commented in a different language that you might not understand-
China server is different from global and may not be true here
wasn't it in some q&a video??
Or maybe, they add another 1 more guitar like the one is that thing that sounds simple and the other one is distorted so sky kids can pick whatever they want
It would make a great #live-feedback
I don't think so.
it was on a post I think, facebook or insta? sorry! My brain wasn't really good at remembering things
Maybe on the twitter?
Got that! Thanks 
I don't really use twitter, so nope#
its cool how the SC's flame has the season's emblem on it (when you lit sc up) 0o0
Are there any conditions to watch the sunset on Holy Island other than time?
nope
Goddd i love the ult tailcoat cape, i have one irl, now i wanna find one that looks like his. 
I'd like to think that Performance and Rhythm are sister seasons, and the similarity of both UG hairstyles helps show that connection
I've never seen a sunset on sanctuary island
i wanna see someone recreate the phantom of the opera
/hj
Anyone know what times the turtle appears in sanctuary?
Now that you mention it... Is it just me? But I actually thought that they should make this next ug hair that's like owl to be on the normal spirit so in the future they will not request it anymore and TGC making another similar one 
yesss it'd have similar vibes to the pioneer's umbrella now that i think about it
it's still a popular item and looks similar to its ult counterpart, but everyone can get it with enough time 
Hmmm...i feel it works better with the QG (tho I super understand why people would want it available for all) It's kinda weird that it would have a lower value than its Rhythm counterpart...unless it's made the highest item in the QG friendship tree for a much higher number of candles (not AP locked) D:
i think so also I think the ultimate gifts should be more innovation?
Yes and they might play more often to wait for it, since not all of us can buy ap especially those who's just a student]
Honestly, i think the star UG item isn't the hair but the mask thing. The hair's more like an homage
I agree with that!
(make it fluffier so it's not toooo similar ahaha)
(make a little curl)
honestly they are too similar now
I think so!
Wait wait, is it already confirmed as an AP-locked UG?
I think no?
hehe penguin mask
in seriousness, i think i really like it cause its like a combo of Prophecy mask, Rhythm mask and Dreams mask
also ALL ults have always been AP locked. anything that isnt to the right of the questgive's tree is a little extra
what does the days of nature guide sell for 20 hearts? i havent enough to get it
some blue coral you place on your hair
ohh is it in the closet?
True true. Regarding the hair, yeah, maybe a little tweak will make it more unique without sacrificing its connection with Rhythm (at least that's how I see it)
I feel the same way!!!!
I hope it stays the way it is :( it finally gives android players and newer players a chance to experience the famous owl hair that Rhythm veterans have
AP locked means that it can’t be changed ?
things are bound to change, even what's ap locked and what's not
It's just me or the new masks have a little nose shape? 
I got it
I was pinged?
Like Kizuna AI
I need to sleep
but every season is unique right?I think it can be a normal spirit gift but not a ultimate gift
I'm also Android (since Enchantment, and i want both ahahha). Based on an old statement by TGC, I think they want the old UGs returned as they are, tho how they're going to do that is...TBA haha. For now i just want more new stuff so I can keep changing my look
Yall still talking about the hair? It really matter at all? Who cares if its "too similar " you just use the version u like the most i dont see any complaints about the capes from base game being too similiar and they're just recolors even the pants from rhythm is almost the same thos
maybe unpopular opinion considering everyone keeps suggesting redesigns but the less it looks like owl hair the less i want it ._. just make a new hairstyle at that point honestly
we'll see! every season s unique but also keep this in mind:
seasons do not repeat and that means the cosmetics, specially ults, are bound to be popular or very sought after.
i hope the hair could be obtained by another spirit so future players dont miss it but for now, the AP lock seems like a reasonable thing (since
be an ult)
it's like the situation with Flight ult again 
⬆️⬆️

Imo it's too similar to the rhythm ult meaning it would most likely end up as an ug because I'm sure the owl hair was on a regular spirit during the testing of rhythm and then was moved to the ug the hair is too "detailed" as some would say
and the hair was proceeded to be hated for a bit until it got so popular
rhythm hair be looking at beta like: how the turn tables turn
Imo it’s conflicting that players are hoping rhythm ult come back but making this one exclusive to future players
every 2 years we get a season that has owl hair with varying levels of messiness and a different colored hair band
The thing is people like stuff they can't get
Its just like high fashion once you put something on a pedestal you give it status as "rare " thats why i dont see this conversation about the ug cape that's just a recolor from dreams
But i see the ug from rhythm that was really rare since the majority of the players are android
Recall multiple times players felt sad tgc switched owl hair with winter piano
It’s probably a chance to correct it
Oooh I didn't know that
As much as it seems like it, rhythm hair ult is not coming back. Performance ult is a different hair. They are similar but different. So there’s no need to extend the idea of this ult is was intended to bring back owl hair if it’s meant to be it’s own. Also it’s still a WIP and can change
the year is 2043. the majority of hairstyles are owl hair variants.
small owl hair has gold hair band 
Miss me with this "iTs nOt uNiquE " talk there's plenty of room for uniqueness but now this season is about realizing players wishes not everything have to be as you like some people need to have their turn
New players inject new blood in the game so they voices matter 
"yes" to everything except the ending part... ehhh kinda?
beta and ults get pretty funky afterall, when a ult mentioned is a "wip" i immediately think of Assembly's time in beta, the guy literally had Lightseeker's mask until he gt his own ults! but again as you said, beta is bound to change as nothing is final
owl hair with no ponytail or ears. it's just a bowl cut and not the sanctuary kind
also it's still unique.. imo it has a completely different vibe from owl hair
I like the fact that it's not a bob cut
penguins and owls may be birds but they're completely different 
At this point it's going to be a question of which species of bird you want to be
Imo good looking hairstyles or others should avoid being ultimate gifts as what tgc has been doing for the past seasons, considering ults may not come back or may not come back soon
Even if its similar you wear it as you like
A haircut is nothing without a skykid wearing it
And all skykids are unique so they make it unique
i will never take that hair off ever
i don't think they should just stop making good ults though? it does feel like ults have stopped feeling very "ultimate" these past couple seasons, but that doesn't really fix anything.. it just feels like ive missed out on all the cool ults
inb4 someone says thats not the point of ults
after getting a bucket for a ult hair, nothing phases me anymore askdijnaksjd
feel the same way
People should get over it, it's an ult, will always be an ult. It was never intended for everyone. If you want it, go get it. If you can't get it, well, you can't. It's a reality.
"I can't afford it" is not the all-time ticket to beg for something for free just because you love it. Plus there are ways to get a pass.
I like the dreams ug cuz it represented more than a ug but the realization of a dream
It wasn't just a pretty cape and mask
||I need clown outfit in the next season||
I do agree ults should be limited, trading system sounds like the best option but considering scamming flaws.. maybe tgc can create a totally safe trading system
season of dream is a really good season
we have a jester and you can also pair it with juggle items, would that make an acceptable clown-
Not to mention, not all of us can buy ap. So yeah missed the cool stuff, the season is just about to start and I'm ready to say farewell if the penguin hair went to quest giver
...a jester..?
nobody's talking about how they can't afford it???? also trading passes and accounts is very much against tos and can get you banned 
imo i think a trading system would turn sky into a hellhole. thats not very beta related though
did you.. happen to enter the beta chats on accident? 🃏
^ former animaljam player, can confirm 
..umm no—
If only theres a way to get ug without having to buy the pass and all the others could enjoy sadly this game isn't broke friendly
No item trading please. But anyway, for now whatever you feel about the UGs, there's always the feedback channel to let the devs know
Welp that's what I've been seeing around saying how they cant afford a pass so the hair should be moved away from ult so they can get it for free. Sorry if I joined in the wrong conversation.
the jester is the one with the "d'awww
❤️" emote, i think the second quest calls them the forgetful storyteller 
sorry, i do not think this ulti hair item is suitable for IGC since rhythm ult is also from AP. Neither do i think this ulti hair should be an iap
im just waiting for a mod to shoo us to the seasonal channel 
Okay—
nope the main point is they think it cant be the ulti hair since its look like owl hair
Noo, I’m seeing that too. I know how they feel but what’s the point of buying an AP then
imo i think the main argument for owl hair not being an ult is that it doesn't resolve the issue of people wanting ults to return. eventually the season will end and people once again will have missed out on owl hair and will ask for it as much as they ask for the original. i think it should be ap locked no matter what but idk
I mean, it may be an ult but it sure would down play all the toxic players i feel like, plus it's still TGC's decision to bring them back or not. Hasn't the crew already said they want to be inclusive and not exclusive?
But we don’t even know if this is intended to “bring back owl hair”
Maybe it’s meant to be, it’s own ult?
wild
i thought people who wanted it to be a non-ap item was so people who didnt join before/during performance had a chance at getting the penguin hair either as a ts or at least without spending too much
and besides you have to remember that a lot of sky players live in places where passes go for upwards of hundreds of their currency because of conversion, i feel like it'd be kinda mean to lock a beloved item behind being an ult when some people have to pay an arm and a leg for the oppurtunity
That's one of the opinion out there but the other side, they think they brought it back for everyone to enjoy so they disagree on being a ult hair.
many people think thats owl 2.0....
This is totally what I thought of!
For trading system, How do y’all think about players are unable to obtain more than one copy of an item
This conversation is so boring i mean it's just the same
No one move their positioning abt the ug and in the end we only talk about "what if" we can only talk from our perspective and sometimes we are not totally right but is tiring. I can't understand the appeal of ug and why it should really matter in the end we only have one head to wear the hairstyle.
Hey now, let's not be dismissive. This chat is meant to discuss beta stuff
i can't see tgc ever implementing a trading system of any kind. i dont see the point in discussing what they could do w it if its not related to beta
why not make a link between the season of dream,rhythm and performance
Actually those are one of them too, the discussion is going every way around, for self reasons, for future moths, for the whole sky community. A lot of comments.
also they think the ulti should be more innovation?
Well I feel if there is a safe trading system, there won’t be any conflict at least on exclusivity of ultimate gifts.
that sounds like a open door to scams and people abusing alt accounts
I think you are thinking too much about it, owl and penguin are look a likes. And people think this is supposed to be an owl hair 2.0 so that players can finally have owl hair. But that’s only how they feel. TGC has not said that. This penguin hair is it’s own ultimate gift as far as we know, there as been no talk of this having anything to do with bringing back past Ults. So you are discussing it being an ult again not solving the problem, but It’s not owl hair 2.0
they don't even want us trading hearts. trading ults would be a mess
Ultimate gifts are good to be limited rather than exclusive, recall early stage of Roblox, limited items were exclusive and then rereleased as limited
i think only being able to obtain one of an item would make a trading system a horrible idea, i've played more than a few games with really really bad elitism issues because of limited items and even then you could still get more than one of those
ults on their own have already created a black market of people buying and selling accounts with pre-android ults and aps, imagine how much worse it would be if every single item is unique
Yesh we already have a hard time dealing with heart trading
i called it owl hair 2.0 anyway even tho its not, sorry i'm just so happy 
lol
Only if there is a safe trading system I agree
tgc hasnt officially said it isn't meant to bring back owl hair in a way but i seriously doubt they didn't at least kind of have that in mind.. esp considering such a large amount of their playerbase have had no way to obtain it
Nothing is safe everything have an opening for exploit
I call it owl hair 2.0, not as a compliment, but as a concern
I want something to be added to it that makes the penguin hair distinct D:
Maybe add red lining on the hair ? Or the likes

Oh I was responding to someone talking about wanting the hair not being an ult so that it can solve an issue of owl hair never coming back. Forgot to hit reply to them lol
Well let’s see if tgc is capable on creating one

i still think its a placeholder but considering the love the community have for this hair they wouldn't play with the players hearts
Its just wishing for backlash thooo
if there's a lock, they'll always be a blacksmith, legal or not
hope that makes sense? there's always someone or something that'll completely break something. a trading system will cause a lot of problems, not to mention a player based economy tends to either go all right or crash and burn
I think... As I said, players should get over it instead.. Not making a trading system. 🤔 Though I want a magic trading so I can gift my friends my resize potions. I'm at 0 now so I don't need them anymore. 
i think at this point if they modified penguin hair to the point that it's completely distinct to owl hair, it made it to live, and people found out about the way it used to look, it would.. not go well
For a placeholder, it sure looks very high effort 
gen chat shuts down part 2: electric boogaloo
Eh, the most that would happen is probably getting reaction emotes revoked

And infinite slowmode
Yes to trading/gifting extra spells
People used to call link hair "owl 2.0" when it released. I think people just like the throw this term around? 
ive seen the channel go on lockdown- Dreams didnt fly well on day 1
if people found out they could've had their own owl hair but people complained too much and had it removed i don't think it would just be people using mean emotes
Didn't also people say this for flight season too?
Nevermind I am blind
I ate it 
But that's because it was relevant to a sensitive topic 
that one mask from assembly season too 
True. We won't know if it was intended by TGC so let's wait and see about that
Considering the players obsession with this hair i dont really think its a wise decision to replace it 🤔
Yup... Because it's already set like this in first glance. People are extremely hyped for this. Too much changes might cause some... Chaos..
Will there be bonfire 2.0 after owl 2.0 this time?
also I hope my favourite Owl house show new season coming out the same season release date
Wait, they did ?
Are people coining the term "owl hair" just with anything that has an antenna and/or ponytail ??

Hey, it happened with Moth hair 2.0 so...
what im trying to say: people are scary, if this penguin hair changes look so drastically and live sees what could have been... we arent only getting aggressive emotes. the devs could be getting even more.... not very pleasant messages
I called it a owl hair 2.0 because it's another exclusive hairstyle.
People need to remember that beta is subject to change every now and then
This could be as well be another cheese cape situation
Or flight hair situation
Then we get owl hair 3.0 and then 4.0 and 5.0 until we accept there’s a family of QGs in the lore all with the same hair that like music and dance
Even though they know, they still could get mean.
pls the cape one save the hair 
I think there's a very loud few who are too sensitive around this hair. It's a great looking ult on its own with some face value similarities. I wish it was just treated as it's own thing 
That's true....
season of 
Let's just see what would happen then
I'm just predicting it would be revoked reactions, long Slowmode, and probs a few Bonks because it's more of an in game thing rather than being tied to irl 
The thing i dont really like about this hair is the bangs we could have different bangs
if the hair change completly we should prepare for the storm 
But i dont even like this hair tho im more of a hat sky kid
Owl hair 2.0 
Penguin hair

lol well you're in luck, cat hood hat is amazing
I feel very
i just cant help but see this as a "best case scenario" 
I think redesigning ults like this is only gonna compound the problem we have now
A year from now new moths are gonna be seeking the performance guide’s ult hair and this cycle is gonna keep repeating until TGC formally introduces a system to return past ults 
good-looking
I saw someone posted in a foreign group.... Idk if it's true or not but your prediction might be right 
Yeas im only getting the pass for the hood I've been wishing for one and im happy we finally getting it
I think this is very doomsday and unfounded
With the ultimate right now, This raises a question
Are the antennas just cosmetic value, or do they actually play in determining their role
the dress-looking also my favourite 
Nah it's about why we couldn't play in 2019 tho it could be anything
I can't say much I don't want to spread rumors
If this is going to turn into a "to return or not to return" OG ults discussion, that's a convo for #general-sky-discussion
We still talking about beta content
They gonna shoo us out of gen 
I like the idea now that i think of it, we love the hair so much. It comes back many times in different seasons, looking different each time. Many options too
Add red tips to the ear flaps lmao
Adding highlights on the hair 
Cousin seasons could be a decent long term solution, I really doubt there will be nearly as many as people fear, if any haha
If everything on sky is lore related why season shouldn't?
It’s not very doomsday, it’s what’s inevitably going to happen imo. As more seasons come and go, more future players will be asking for the ults we’re having now.
I’m not sure if the penguin hair was an attempt to try bringing back similar ult designs to appease new players or a mere coincidence, but if it’s the former then it will compound the problem long term. They’ll have to make a 3rd owl hair, a 4th owl hair, etc.
They’d be better off just implementing a return system. I hope I don’t come off as condescending or anything! That’s not my intent ^^
I just think this is what’s going to happen until they find a way to return old ults instead of making similar ones, because the similar ones will just become sought after a year or two into the future and the cycle will repeat.
Ult aside, it could be an interesting story. I like how the Valley spirits are coming to see the show in theater. I go "aww" when I saw more spirits come as the mission goes.
sensible speech!!!
Weell i really like the sanctuary ug but i don't want to have a similar looking new ug cuz it was my fault i wasn't playing that time
But the older ios locked season always gonna haunt me cuz i wasn't allowed to play the game and its unfair to me
Last story mission on the season of Performance will have Rhythm showing up to watch the show, then embracing his penguin brother for a hug. ||Let it happen TGC i will cry.||
Oooh I want Rhythm to make a cameo! Like a final dance thing with everyone
Imagine if they appear in the audience in the last show ?
I was in a similar boat. I’ve always had weak Android phones and thus, was never able to play Sky until the switch release. I’m so sad I missed Dreams 
This season is going to be my Dreams season since I had to miss that one due to compatibility issues 
Don't worry you're not condescending, it's an argument I've seen a lot these days. I get it, though I don't think it'll happen.
I don't think tgc would have made this season if they didn't want to, owl hair demand or no. Even so though, this ult concept isn't unique to sky. Limited/legacy items is a model that requires..limited items. It's just something players have to learn to understand and deal with imo.
With how the ts system works, I think it works pretty well. While I think an ult return system could work, I don't find it as neccessary.
I think most it likely will ! Rhythm spirits are musicians and dancers, fits perfectly with a stage performance.
Oops I forgot about the others, well they are all performers and the new season is about performance
Ts really shaken some people and some don't even liked the idea but now its the most waited event and make all of us excited some people only farm to get the ts some things may look bad for some people but make others happy
Sorry to interrupt but uhh be very careful when spotting a memory candle at the entrance of Season of Performance, it's extremely flashy,,,
I think we have a flash warning ? No ? We should have one
there was no flash warning and this definitely isn't within TGC 'flash' warning
I think an ult return system could work if they implemented a “collecting the TS of xyz season to unlock $$$ IAP of the ults”
It would make it challenging (probably more challenging than just doing the season), but possible for newer players.
But I believe sooner or later (though probably sooner as some ults are reaching 2-3 years old), TGC will need to address returning ults.
I will say I adore the cosmetics they’ve made for this season a ton, and despite the similarities to the past owl hair, I hope they choose to keep the ult hair performance guide has now. I think it’s cute and fits the ult mask very well ^w^
I don't remember if sky have flash warnings but if not we need it
Waitttt... The new clown spirit and juggler though
TGC describes ultimates as End gifts
They don't say it as the ultimate prize, but rather a cherry on top
Which is pretty misleading when connected back to the term 
So thing that occurred to me...... Many are likening the quest givers ult hair to "Owl" hair, or calling it penguin hair... ||What if the ponytail portion were removed? It could become the "Alastor" hair, for all the Hazbin Hotel fans - the tufts are certainly fluffy enough to hold resemblance|| spoiler for reference to show that is rated M
Sometimes i forget theres even a ponytail
Might wanna reconsider mentioning that, I don’t believe that show is PG13 
Ooh, good point ^^;
No worries! Just wouldn’t want you to get in trouble by accident, might wanna edit the message
Will spoiler be enough? Because derp
I've wanted it like that! But mainly because I feel like we need some more "masculine" hair styles haha 
Ponytails can be masculine too, either way the hairstyles aren't gendered
yeah agreed with the ts idea too... It's a can of worms that people feel strongly about, and I've kind of grown tired of it haha. I've made peace with the ults I missed, whatever happens down the line, is a bridge we'll cross when we get to it 
For now I think this season is a strong one!
ponytail supremacy
Hence the quotations! I know it's not meant to be gendered, but I've heard many people refer to shorter hairstyles as that, so I'm just sticking with that 
It also helps narrow down what I mean, because there's a ton of short hairstyles that still don't scratch the itch. Y'know?
Only those who disengage with iap matters have true peace of heart 
mohawk when tgc
I agree, as much as I really want the Phoenix ults I can live without them. But I do hope there’s a chance maybe I’ll become a Phoenix ult haver in the distant future ^^
I’m so so excited for this season though, I’ve wanted an animal mask for a while and this is my chance for a really cool mask :peyes:
I’m considering snagging a few candle packs when it releases because I want the mask that bad, Im impatient 
It's not the same hair
a same one
Its penguin hair its not owl hair its never coming back
It looks like it, but it's not the same exact copy, it's the penguin hair
praying you get it one day haha. the tuxedo cape ult looks a lot like 
I'm glad penguin hair is being used more 
Ah disappointing, where is ur creativity TGC
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As in the name lol
We need to let go of this name or it gonna haunt the season
Look at the rest of the season and maybe you'll find it
People now only care about ug cuz the others came back as ts so they just pick favorites and forget the rest
Yesss, I just wish the cape was a little longer. Still very excited for it 
I’m looking forward to updates regarding candle prices and ult order so I know how long it might take to get the ults with/without bonus seasonal candle pack purchases
Guys I seriously think we shouldn't complain about the ult hair it's kind of like a second chance to the owl hair so let's not try and get that taken away
literally this is happening rn
honestly the cosmetics of a season drown out its contents everytime
I hope they keep the penguin hair Bc it fits the mask so well 😭
Fluffy hair is

Haha if I've got the cash and want a seasonal item, there is 0% chance I'll opt to wait X amount of months/years to win the ts lottery 
I don't care anymore I'm a cat skykid
These birb matters don't concern me
So many people would be disappointed and upset if they removed the penguin hair, I personally love it as it is the the fluffy tops 😭 the cute little pony tail.
You’ve reminded me it’s been a year since Dreams
still no Dreams TS
I just wish the hair tie was blue instead of red but it’s Okayy.
I think the red fits the hair good and my favorite color is red, it fits black capes well 🤣
From the no reactions I can see it’s just me 
I would kinda prefer a dark blue on the hair tie too
I just want to say the ulti can be more innovation
Sadly u cant match with rhythm pants i see thru you

Flight
had a ton of blue hair ties. I'm dying for this warm colored one
It would fit the whole dark blue mask and cape theme for the ultimates
Might as well have a matching hair tie too
We have lots of blue in the game already. It's refreshing to see more of other colors like the jester being both red and orange.
We have so much dark itens now .... where's the white capes? The white pants? Sanctuary gave us some but still unbalanced
I've been wondering that as well! But as beta testers we should do our best to figure out and test things on our own before asking. Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback 
That was my thought process as well. But it still looks good either way imo
I suggested a season with a lot of white cosmetics in wishlist the other day
however my idea also involved a bird theme 
after this, no more birds for a while please 
Black and white season when? 
Fr like bugs discussion abt costumes are useless if the game is full of bugs
Season of yin and yang anyone? 
I wish there was an option to change the colors of the hair ties and stuff like manually by yourself whenever you want
yesss i'd love to see the stagehand(? the cat spirit) and guide have their items be dark red instead of dark blue, we have more than enough blue clothes
it's also out of place since it's a valley season in the village of dreams, those are like. the least blue places ever
Quick, add the suggestion to wishlist maybe 
I like dark blu cuz im edgy
Wish tgc make some changes of the owl hair if its gonna be a penguin one
Done
Well penguins dont have hair so ...
neither do owls 
Adding a color wheel for changing color of cosmetics would be nice, however for TGC to add something like that would be probably hard, and make it more laggy sadly somehow. I hope they make that happen. 
Bald hairstyle 2.0
Except it comes with small feather tufts, that’s all
Genius
I think we call it the penguin hair because most of the masks in this season looks like penguins and the ult masks resembles a penguin as well
They all have beaks/big noses too.
I love their little noses 
i still think the ears should flare out more to evoke eyebrows but i feel like that might clash with the actual eyebrows on the ult rockhopper mask
idk i'll make an edit or something
I wasn't around for rhythm, but why even is owl halr called owl hair? Haha, it hardly looks owl-like
morning
Then its not a problem if they change the hair style, cause that u concerned is the mask instead
But it looks like a penguin
it looks like the "ears" on some owls and the only other spirit to have it is wearing an owl mask
But penguin hair cool why change it
I'd rather not argue about this? I was just saying that they literally look like penguins and it's smart to call the hair penguin hair and it looks really good with the ult mask
people are arguing?
it could be for any reason.... that include the guide being related to the rhythm troupe
Can you have the new owl hair yet? Talking to someone in game with it
Penguin hair*
(To #beta-season-test-chat for general opinions on beta cosmetics/environments)
Whatever you want to call it. Trying to figure out if this person is legit
yes, i think the hoodie spirit's tree is juuuust 🤏 cheap enough that you should be able to get it today 
Is the penguin hair the first wip on the ults?
Yes you can. If you had bought out the the cheapest spirit, you could get owl 2 legitimately today
Is there a sc bug?
I get it tomorrow and im very excited
The fact that valley has both of the best season
I should be getting penguin hair in 2 resets cuz i spent my candles on two other spirits before finishing Musician 
me too
i needed the hoodie on stagehand but then decided to also go for musician first
Gonna take the new owl hair n compare it with the old one

Me too
hav a lot in common
maybe this help. Comparison by Dark
#beta-screenshots-videos message
Apologies for coming simply for a question, but When does sunset appear in sanctuary ?
every 2 hours. 5 minutes after grandma finishes
Ty 
I like how we have bird season before and now a penguin season 🤭
I like the new owl hair
I prefer the cat hat.
I'm getting mine tomorrow! I also spent seperately on multiple spirits cuz I just like everything
hello! anyone here knows when the sunset appears in sanc??

woc
?

Every 2 hours, 5 mins after grandma

tysm ❣️
Is it like
5 minutes after grandma then? Tbh i cant wrap my head around the extra 2 hours
aww
Hey everyone, just did Eden and am picking up wings.. I know in wasteland they hid the wing behind the wall and I was able to reach using Chibi fall before this update now it's not even there..? Anyone else experiencing this?
To clarify.. it's the wing in the shipwreck area
It's a bug also present in live. I recommend filing a bug report in #report-a-live-bug
In live I'm able to still reach it behind the wall with Chibi fall . No longer in beta
Well, still bug report it but in #beta-bugs-ios / #beta-bugs-android 
Just waited for sunset and turtle at sanc but they never appeared 
still no sunset 😭
Hello
U can try 14:50
I wish i could suggest things for tgc about the new season
You can - #beta-feedback
#beta-discussion message how to see the turtle / sunset in sanctuary by misty > if this doesnt work after awhile... go try to join people who are able to then do report bug....
Does anyone know if TGC has plans to allow players with lotta hearts or candles to use them some how? Like a special ultra expensive item? 
I get the sunset but no turtle. Either I'm doing something wrong or its a bug for me. Definitely gonna bug report that regardless.
btw the turtle might be abit unstable... i had it warp x 4 time in front of me.. would be harder to find if you are not sure of its route
as far as we know, no 😔 the closest thing we have to something like that are invisible cape which isn't coming to live and the t2 black and white capes which've been stuck in beta for so long that i'd be surprised if they ever made it out
there's always spells and new event items though
thank you ❣️ will do
Can anyone explain how to get the sunset in sanctuary islands?
Hello, i just want to ask where people get the shere memory like not in the season place, i saw one on daylight prairer
Those are hackers, try to not interact with them beyond reporting them, found 2 that are flashy and could be harmful (photosensitivity)
You get the memory candles only at Village Theatre (the new seasonal area). If you see memory candles anywhere else, those are hacked, and you should report them
the last 10 minutes of each hour
What are memory candles?
it's a new feature kinda like message shrines but you can record yourself doing basically anything
talking, playing an instrument, doing emotes, apparently even moving around and changing clothes is recorded 
OHHH okay thanks
May I suggest going in #beta-season-test-chat for Season Related Testings?
are the reverb changes on the instruments a bug or intended? the lovely echoes are gone 😔
Probably a bug, I don’t see it in the Beta Patch Notes
hey,guys!Who can tell me what animal the ultimate gift hair refers to?
it's a penguin, the ult mask has big ol eyebrows like a rockhopper and all the other spirits' masks have markings like other penguins so it's probably supposed to be a penguin too
I know the mask refers to penguins, but this hair is ambiguous. It is so like owl hair.
why nobody says when are the sunsets in the sanctuary islands?
Cause we don't know the specifics to trigger it, it seems like rng rn
There is a sunset in the last ten minutes of every hour. If you can't see it, you can go home and then go back.
Penguins from mix of Rockchopper, Emperor and King species
I just saw that we have the chance to get the owl hair, is this why beta chat was chaotic last time?
Yep, but revamped
They spoiling us with the owl hairs, I mean, flight also had a pair of owl ears

should we be able to see the sunset and turtle in sanc right now?
But I don't see what looks like a penguin on it. If only officials could explain it, it's really controversial.
It has two minutes left and it will wait for the next hour.
Look up rockhopper penguin
I can see it in the eyebrows, very distinctly rockhopper
The furs on their head, google the Penguins
It’s not penguin enough for me until the Performance Guide does a belly flop and slides around on his stomach 
I checked, and I don't think the new hair is as bold as the rock jumping penguin.
Fair enough, but it is stylized
The hair looks like owl hair before flight guide stole his feathers 
i saw the turtle
Flight guide have 3 feathers
Is it possible that the flight guide stole the second pair of feathers from owl hair?
Flight guide stole it from two owls, rhythm and performance guide 
Now I want to make a comic of flight guide stealing (mission impossible style ofc
) rhythm guide and performance guide's feathers so they could wear them 
The lore can be rhythm and performance guides are siblings, performance is older than rhythm (based on feathers)? 
Or rhythm guide wants to explore the world while performance guide inherited the theater so that's the reason he stayed (ehem* special participation of rhythm guide)
eh, don't mind me, just want to share my thoughts 
Has anyone posted the difference between season of rhytm owl hair and season of performance owl hair?
#beta-screenshots-videos message
By Dark
Wow thanks!
I actually thought the opposite! Since SoP's masks are somewhat inspired by penguins, I'd like to think that maybe Performance QG hasn't loose his baby feathers yet, making him the younger sibling/cousin. Hence the fluffier and slightly unkempt hair rather than the sleek and clean cut of Rhythm's
Makes sense... As most masters stay put and enjoy training scholars. While new adept artists like to travel and explore.
hey beta chat, i suggested a different invites system, y'all wanna hear it just for fun?
I prefer that the friends' action in the new season can be located a little earlier in the branch tree, Or extend the branch next to a previous action, such as a hug action. I want to dance with more people, but I have to burn too many candles before unlocking these two new moves.
Maybe send to #beta-feedback instead/also?
i completely agree with this - i dont think a handshake or a dance indicate higher levels of friendship like the bearhug or even the play fight lol and i dont think it makes sense for the new emotes to just be thrown on top
I think so,too.I think bear hug level 2 is the best way to show friendship.
I can see the dance being a desirable emote that encourages you to upgrade your friendship tree.
But handshake should be a second option before hug
It's more fun to dance with new friends. Maybe I can give some advice to the government.
the new emotes spend so many candles...
oh yeah, many people are more comfortable with a handshake than a hug when youre just getting to know someone, so it should be way early in the tree 
Where is the music shop? I didn’t find it
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So it would be nice to dance before touching head.
i'm tired of that skybot message
i dont think anyone comes to beta chat before looking themselves
You'd be surprised
Sometimes they come to see it when they are bored.
imagine if people could arrange their own intercation tree to make it match with what theyre comfortable with
so maybe for someone, bear hug is first 
dance should be the top one,but handshake not
Handshake should be before or after hi5
I love the bearhug best!
honestly all the theatre objects should be more obvious, like i wouldve never found the instruments without someone telling me because there's literally nothing there 
bearhug2
Actually, after the third task, there will be a scene for you to go there.
I'm curious where the bright people in the new season will be hidden.
i watched the cutscene, i mean there's nothing in front of the stage that indicates "hey you can borrow instruments here!"
the cutscene was useless to me immediately after i watched it, imagine trying to borrow instruments months after doing the quest if the stage still looks the same
i already did, i wanted beta chats opinion on it
sounds like something you need to put in feedback, its a problem if people dont understand what the game wants to tell them 
anyways, so basically my alt beta invites idea sorta prevents hackers, and people who just want previews of stuff
you'll have to play live for one year to access beta. how will the dev know this? the player will record them going into the appstore, into their purchases, searching "Sky: Children of the Light", and viewing their download date. the player will then be asked for their live id, then they're allowed to join beta. the dev will then ask for their beta id
to prevent the wrong person from getting the invite, one of the accounts from beta must be linked in the next week, before getting banned from beta (as you're not allowed to give invites to others)
thoughts?
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Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.
That is too much effort for hundreds of players wanting to be beta testers imo
Devs will have to go through every single video to confirm ppl have played for that long
also switch players will have played the game for a year next summer and there's no app store or purchases
then, if sky ids contain join date, you can just give your id to a bot or something, then wait for an invite
@hollow estuary switch has no beta so they're left out
Uh, what did we unlock in quest 4?? And where is it??
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switch players might want to play mobile beta
if they're on switch they probably can't
It may not be ready yet, so we have to wait for the update. There are too many things to be done in this new season.
I'm a Switch moth that only started playing on my switch, but downloaded the beta when I got a phone months later, that was able to handle it soo
the google play store also doesn't have any way of checking download date or play hours
i guess they could check for their first iap purchase but that screws over f2ps
Regardless what they want, strict Nintendo policy doesn't allow beta testing 
Okay! Thanks
if theyre on switch they mightve found out about the game on switch launch and prefer the controls and screen size over mobile, but would like to join beta on mobile regardless
HOW ABOUT THIS
instead of "playing for one year", first message on the discord?
I think they mean if they have a phone that can handle it
Google play doesn't have a download date and someone could have downloaded the game a year ago but played for 2 hours.
not everyone can join the discord, that gives english speakers over 13 a HUGE advantage
I didn't start talking in this server until months after first playing 
why would they want testers under 12
fyi: i have a friend in beta who says they are 9, plays sky piano and game better than me
12-year-olds are smart enough to follow the bug report instructions
They want beta testers under Android 12 (of you mean that) because older Androids more likely have bugs
I think if they want a verification system of sorts, sending in your live sky ID could work
But that also screws players that might have lost old accounts or are returning on new accounts
12 year olds aren't allowed on Discord per TOS
well then what would we do
the current beta invite system is bad. it just glorifies being in beta because it's so rare to get in
Beta also has item removals and currency wipes, no new ts
signing in on a webpage with your google account to verify would work right
Not everyone has their accs tied with a google acc tho, afaik?
not really? besides beta isnt glamorous at all and any tester could tell you that, look at all the bugs that make the game unplayable and the currency wipes that can remove your legitimately earned candles and hearts 
as elysian said, a tester should be at least 13 years old, as discord is where all bug reports go, and discord requires users to be 13 years old. but as for the argument of why minors are allowed to beta test, sky has a very large player base of all age types. younger testers would have different opinions and priorities when it comes to content than older testers
Beta also needs limit of players not to glorify but to keep live version the main version in numbers
i'm talking about people who want to help tgc test (like me)
@viscid sundial it's the most common atleast, plus, like they said, player could just give live id
I don't think they're looking to revamp the beta invite system rn so we don't really have to do... anything, lul
i'll admit, its quite uncommon to see a beta allow for younger players to test without restrictions, but it's tgc's choice to not restrict age explicitly
tbh any solution is too much work for the devs
tgc has bigger problems to solve than some people getting a big head over being a beta tester anyway, i feel like it's a better experience to just check out leaks online than actually play it 
i just feel like it should be atleast different, and the idea i'd have would mostly protect beta from hackers (i heard beta was easier to hack so)
on some games you need to have a good enough reputation or karma to be able to sign up for a beta testing site, but sky doesnt have any things like that so
if they picked beta players from discord they could maybe prioritize people who have sent many bug reports in the past because those people are more likely to be actively involved in beta too
Beta is more of a "if you have it, Coolio. If you don't, Coolio"
I mean, you don't really need to have beta to help TGC
TGC had a scheduled invite wave to keep things Active,but ever since Google doesn't allow kicking android players, only now they happen once in a full moon
We could also just... report hackers as we see them 
Can't wait to see what new anti-hack system this will result in
yes
i forgot the word but it's like a "you need to do this to have this" system
It would be the best if ults and 12wedges would have timestamps. Based on that TGC could track down who had them too early (if seasonal candles are not bugged which is not the case)
also literally any china server item
I do hope we can modify the hackers reporting process, some just doesnt want to light us and continue to do their hacking stuff. So annoying, can't track someone who kept buying APs on beta?
Oh, and for beta invites
My only tip is to never expect or focus on it
Just set a reminder ( the invite role ) and it'll come to you eventually 
well, yes, but there are still people who buy sc and then ult gift in the very first day _( o-o)_/
netease exclusive items are not in the beta at all, so that wouldn't work
You can't buy candles in beta
Hmm,
excluding the red flower, if I'm not wrong :0
yes but
are you sure
the flower is the only exception due to testing purposes
ooh yeah i wonder if tgc could implement a system that lets them check players' inventories for illegal items or wl counts
the list would have to be different for beta and live but that probably wouldnt be too much work
they're definitely in the files as there are hackers with them in memory candles 
also ive joined on september 29th 2019 so uh
ive missed like 8 invites. i am a SNEAKY lightseekers player that wants to have my opinion on beta
I'd like to say this is true, but
There's Instances where I've seen hackers with those items, and I'm convinced that they're in game, but sealed away as files
You can still have an opinion for beta stuff even if you're not a beta tester www
yes
shoutout to when i saw someone going at lightning speed in live but couldn't even reach them to light them if i could
You can still have your opinion heard through feedback even if you're not a beta tester
makes me wonder why we can't have them internationally
i get the kizuna ai items not coming until last week because of copyright but what's stopping us from having the alternate dancing performer hat and days of dragonboat 
I kinda regret not joining beta, I was literally in chat when the last wave dropped. Checked #beta-signup-info the second it got posted, went "Eh I'm busy with Live" but now I'm starting to get burnt out on live
alternative dancing performer hat was because china server threw a fit so they got both (for free)
So why couldn't we? 
Even if we had to use candles and hearts
like i'm not joking that's the first instance of an item from a season spirit appearing on the right item slot instead of left
international server also threw a fit, i was there
we deserve to at least have it as like,, an extra on the dreams guide's tree
My closest and most positive assumption is that it wouldn't make sense in a global scope. That's why it's exclusive
Second of all, obviously exclusive items to bring in incentive and stuff. Goes both ways www
fyi: days of rainbow is not avaliable in netease.. so ... not only stuff they have... plus netease is netease.. why compare it to tgc
That's true, prob just to appease those players
Should really stop comparing Global to Netease, sure they got extra stuff and some for free but we should really be grateful we're not tracked and ID irl just to play
netease items are only for the netease server likely due to their laws. many games with separate chinese servers have exclusive items due to not being connected to the global version. its not a new thing
your message got beaned but i wholeheartedly agree about the lightseekers mask
have it as a bonus from the bloomseeker guide or something, the item already exists since they're wearing it
At the end of the day, both servers has it's wins and loses 
YES
also!!! where are THE PUFFY PANTS. FROM SOME OF THE SEASON SPIRITS (its on assembly guide) I WANT IT
why cant we have all the main game pants
its. crazy!!!!
If anything, Global is better off than Netease. We're on three platforms, they only just combined iOS and android, we have an open beta, etc etc
i would kill to have that chestplate some of the valley and wasteland spirits wear, i could have broad shoulders with any cape 
YES
we should probably move from the netease topic and back to beta topics before a mod beans us.
anyways i'm going to sleep. its 1 am 
also plus size jester lookin dude from new season has new unusable pants
What does WIP mean?
work in progress
All of us typing at the same time lul
Thx uuuu 😌
they actually did get to buy the days of rainbow cape recently
my theory is every version of the game is the same with some slight on/off variables to differentiate server needs, personally i think taking some stuff out of another version may cause errors, requiring double checks, so they don't do that
looks like they use the same model as the thinking director
it's just the generic unusable pants but on a wider body
o
i AM SO COLD RIGHT NOWI m like an ice cube help
Thinking Director and fluffy jester are friend shaped and would give the best hugs
yes - thinking director liker
Chimesmith too!
True!!!!
ALSO ALSO PEEP THIS
THE SPIRITS HAVE SHOES. WHY DONT WEE
CANDLEMAKER IS SPORTING SANDALS DUDE
and who could forget the most friend shaped of all....yeti
skykids are toddlers who hate things on their toes of course
boot section when
imagine if you could wear any boots with any pants or even go barefoot if you wanted, like chuckle's boots on any basegame pants or the fire prophet's boots on gloat's pants 😳
PLEASE... I need boots os bad
THATS A GREAT IDEAA
yes
Hii
Roast ur local hackers while pubic chat is a thing
as a certified beard enjoyer i would also like a mask accessory slot, like you know all those masks that're just the default mask but with something on it? what if they were standalone,, beards and veils on any mask 
not for that one assembly mask doe
then we'd have another rhythm owl mask
all I want is 2 accessory slots 
nah it deserves it
if the flight ult feathers + any ponytail combo gets to exist then so should the twig mask + ponytail combo
I love doing this so much
i wish we could select which side the accessory goes on if it's asymmetrical
there're a few combos that look bad just because the accessory gets swallowed up in all the hair
wishing we will soon have f2p instrument soon y-y
just one f2p instrument tgc 
||pls||
I am very glad the electric guitar at least isn't an ult
true
i just checked some old price charts,,, the last f2p instrument was the xylophone from rhythm 
oh. my god
tjats a lot
Let the f2ps have some good instruments orz
i feel like tgc will only make a f2p instrument if there are 2 instruments in the season 😔
also we've only gotten 5 instruments since then and a whopping THREE of them are ults 
just once tgc pls :>>
it has always bothered me that some instruments will always be unavailable for some of who wish to make music (ult handpan/dundun), I hope the theater will bring those to the hands of the people!
When i learned the bugle was an ult as a moth. I was so upset. Just want loud trumpet for my Touhou music
may or may not have gone feral when i heard you could play the dundun for free at the theatre 
what's correct! I knew you'd like it 
If they let me play the bugle in some shape somehow i will lose my mind. The Touhou Instrument
i am THIS 🤏 close to just stealing it at this point
People who don't know music can't do anything with musical instruments
they can play music sheets
besides people who do know music have a lot of fun with them
True, music sheets are very fun
And i like to teach my friends, who might not know as much about playing, simple songs
true music sheets are the one I go for if theres a new season
If you can, I really hope someone can teach me.
sky's instrument system is built in mind to sound beautiful even when randomly bashing the keys
Same, I am rubbish even at the music sheets 
dont challenge me to a rhythm game i will cry and then promptly lose terribly 
Cytus intensifies
Tfw no ZUNpets. It wasn’t originally an ult, felt so insulted when moved to ult since it’s a 15-key instrument. Even though I own it I would’ve loved for it to be accessible as TS later on
the theater has such potential for creation 
1 or 2? 
The 1st music sheet is so difficult and fast 
both :))
But i find 2 harder
Theater is just based Shared Space, I already love it
We can only click the buttons above to play simple music, like Little Star?
You're so absolutely based, 1 is my fav 
What do you guys think about the public chat? Ik it’s just a bug but I actually REALLY like it-
I wish we had a small dedicated space with public chat like that 
one sentence: public chat mode, where if you and a stranger have it on, you can see eachothers chat
we like!!!!
I honestly rly like global chat but if I had the option to turn it off it'd be great. I also think it would be cool if it was distance based. Overall more ways to customize it would be 
Yeah, I don't want it permanently or across the entire game cause I miss being able to have both peace and quiet, and also be able to have private chats without the whole server listening in BUT its been pretty fun as well
But it does have like an on and off button, right? Oh
It's a bug
not yet, it's currently a bug
ye a feature where we can turn off global chat so we can have a private chat seems nice :D
Yesss I’m glad others are enjoying it too (to some extent) I hope TGC can think about it-
Omw to submit feedback
I'd really like if we had specific areas for free chat
its bugged right now so all chat is public chat
and beta has a translation feature too so everything is readable by everyone
Oh. Then no. That's like... eavesdropping 
Although I like chatting all over the country very much ... but it's very troublesome for me to use the translator all the time.
also, with "global chat on" other strangers w it on have their avatars appear, but grayed out, until when you light them they appear
but then that would make the benches and tables useless
I wish we could have a private messaging mode as well, where you can only talk with (1) friend
good /hj
they will be for sophisticated conversation/ people who have it off 24/7
we cant really translate the present text that you can see over the screen, to translate you need to open up the chat box to click on translate but it is ... for now
Honestly signaling someone to a bench/table gives me anxiety. Global chat gives me less of that for some reason
and for the rich who can spare 1 candle 
if you long press on a floating chat bubble, the translate button appears!
but also you need fast fingers in order to keep up with a lively conversation 
I think it would make sense for the social areas to have open chat, especially since you often ru into moths there and it would be helpful for them
i'm not on beta but i think global chat might bring more life to sky and make it feel a little more like other mmo's where the place is full of people and you can make friends with anyone
sky often feels so empty since the servers are so small and i mostly play solo because none of my friends are on when i play 
all areas can have public chat except home and social spaces so you can suffer
Hey, did the dark delete a light man?
mm, good point. It's definitely gonna be something that I'll be neutral to and like learn to like it if it ever gets to live and not a bug anymore, but for now it's a no
I found that there seems to be one light man missing from the dark.
oh boy can't wait to read people's awkward cr conversations 
Ohhh, the winged light in Wasteland
I think it was removed/it's a bug
I might advocate for global chat considering yesterday I've encountered players saying completely inappropriate stuff.
Will the hairstyle for the new season be revised?
I don't think it will come to global
personally i think the restricted chat is the best thing ever to come in a MMO
maybe? we're only on the first build so there's no way to know for sure
2.0
Penguin hair plz stay orz
and it's even more pretty in my opinion
the penguin hair is rly good imo
yes im a rhythm hair haver
I'm half and half, I def like having the restricted chat, but since social spaces tend to be either hubs or something you just rush through to get to cr I think having maybe just the campfire areas be open chat could be nice and a bit beneficial
白枭
When I collected it, I found one missing. At first, I thought it was too dark.After hitting the wall several times, I found that the recess in the wall was gone.
i mean, just an option to turn it on and off would work, right?
the hide in it
Don't type Chinese here, even if the other party is Chinese.
but it's still there
Yep, you can report that to #beta-bugs-android or #beta-bugs-ios
okok
the restricted chat actually keeps chatter at a personal level, making conversations meaningful rather the endless barrage of who can talk the loudest for attention
So why can't there be an automatic translation function?
There is, long press a message to translate it (in beta)
i think there should be a whisper function"
I think the new hairstyle is too similar and not creative👀
im ok if the chatter is open in a small bubble like the theater or the campfires
tgc's working on that right now actually
it's a little buggy though, i don't think it works on notes if i'm remembering right
You won't do it?
Just wanna say I noticed there's a great influx of h*ckers since the update
reported like 6 yesterday 
discord is different from beta. i explained it just now but you didnt want to take in the answer
Just 6? I see them every time I go home, and in memory candles scattered everywhere 
would appreciate it to stop dm me. thank you
i mean, if people are saying inappropriate stuff on global chat then it's way easier to report them and get rid of people like that
but it does suck having to see the messages in the first place
are memory candles gonna allowed to be everywhere?
Is the last spirit name was mentioned? I wanna know who it is
Is it intended that the backstage hoodie spirit is jiggly?
jelly cat
probably not but i hope they keep a little wiggle. as a treat
Right now they're not supposed to be. We're only supposed to have them in the new area. But there are hackers putting them everywhere 
free chat within social light areas would be really fun, sitting at a table/other chat object feels awkward
I'd mention implementing better filters tbh but people can always circumvent those
also when you accidently get up from the table and can't see what the other person said.....
i feel like itd be funny
just record yourself getting hit by a krill "yo dude watch this" gets flung
i just think it's way more convenient to cooperate with peeps w/o having to use a chat prop every time u want to talk to a stranger (also less awkward). rly ruins the flow having to interact with prop and re-explaining smth to a new player
When the cencor gets out of hand with censoring clothesline for me we just find ways around it so they'd have to cencor like
Everything
I don't think it was revealed yet
Hmm, I see I see
I think I'll go crazy if I go on like this! ! !
not that i know of
the only spirit names we've seen as of quest 3 are the frantic stagehand, forgetful storyteller and mellow musician but the last name mightve been revealed in quest 4 😳
I wish chat was lower on the friend constellation/cheaper in general tbh. It'd be easier to chat w ppl
That's why I was asking if the last 4th spirit's name was revealed/mentioned in the 4th quest
feel like there should be a pop up like
do you wanna have a conversation with this person?
a. yaaaaas
b. noh
It wasn't revealed in the 4th quest, we just gathered up the whole group and cheered em up
I very much enjoyed holding all their hands btw .
I think it might be a bug
i don't even know how to use it
quick question- what are memory candles?
ok so ima put this in feedback
public chat mode: if you and another stranger have it on, you don't need to light each other to see eachother's outfits ( theyll be grayed out like when you go in a blocked player's menu), and you can see eachother's chat. you also have the option to mute a player, removing their view of your chat and vice versa.
whisper mode: click a friend's chat button to activate, click it again to stop (this can be activated with multiple players)
ill explain whisper mode in it
||new update, u can record ur skykid like a video message tho||
yeahh i'm not in the beta so i dont know about them
New feature being tested in beta, also called shared memories. It should be in #beta-announcements if you scroll up
I accidentally reported a rhythm owl chibi BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY WEARING THE PERFORMANCE ULTIMATE HAIR 😭
you didn't even need to report them in the first place, only the lightseekers and grat ults are illegal 
You don't have to spoiler stuff in beta chats 
ohhh thanks!
Before Assembly started, I reported someone wearing rhythm ult mask thinking they were hacking
oh okay haha
or if they r oppose to the idea of global chat, let us at least chat with a player that uses the guide feature
I really only like the idea of open chat when it's in the setting of helping moths, its really confusing and kinda mean to lock clear communication behind currency when moffs are infamous for spending candles refilling benches no one's sitting on 😭
i like the idea of global chat and if it's opt in opt out then people who don't want to participate are free to do so as well
i would also like to see other people's outfits without lighting
i just wanna see everyones cool clothes!
the lighting of unlit kids has significance to sky's lore tho
same 🤝 like it's very awkward to have someone walk up to me and strike up a conversation in a language i don't understand but i'd love to be able to talk to moths without needing to sprint for the nearest closet to grab my chairs
perhaps they could change the chat benches to private chat benches and remove the candle requirement
open chat just feels like you're overhearing people, I've made a few new discord based friends because of it
I think it fits the beta environment well
most moffs I interact with have a hard time learning they need to sit to converse. I've had so many run off lol
Maybe global chat could be limited to beta ? 
It's so troublesome to report bugs. I'm too lazy to report them, but the light wing is missing. . . .
that too
i point at tables with every point emote i have and they still don't get it 
Will anyone use bugs to do bad things?
It's not someone using bugs, The light wing on the wall of the picture with the sunken ship is missing..
That sounds crazy.
what happens if you buy the WIP for 20 hearts from the days of nature guide?
You win a head acessory
i thiiiink that's the coral crown? it'll appear in your inventory as normal, a wip icon means the inventory icon isn't done but the 🚫 icon means the item doesn't exist
Open chat in Beta ? I don't mind
There's only like, about 10.000 (?) Of us 
ahhh, alright. what about the cape btw?
the cape is an iap, it should be in your shop 
most are Chinese and Japanese, I don't understand nothing 
waiting for beta feedback to reopenso i can beg tgc for bed
i suggest it in beta because the prop will be added to cat hoodie spirit
New area has so many cozy houses. Wouldn't it be cute and interesting if one had a door which is functioning like a portal and it would send you to another "location" where its an actual home inside 
Customizable house similar to shared spaces... 
hous❤️
having a shared space inside a little house would be so cute and cozy 😭💕 we could decorate it like a little bedroom
skychildren are black right (as in POC)?
For now I live the dream by oobing into the windows
I saw in an old beta video that when you were alone it teleported you to where there were other people, it wouldn't be a bad thing to bring back
Yeah, and then you can have a customizing options 
You know how before entering Eden it asks if you actually want to enter? Something similar here but it says "do you want to enter your home?"
And if you lead someone they'll be taken to your home exactly 
Not in canon really, but you can interpret them as such (I do)
poc hairstyles when
They are clay (wax?) 
There's an afro and multiple dreadlocks at least?
sometimes they look kinda brown, it depends on the clothes
Pink skykids when
the concepts say clay and ash/charcoal
I like to think we are haniwa 
They can also look blue 
id like to be able to change my skin color from the multiple pants there is
i wanna be black (the actual color black, not the skin color black) like the rhythm pants
some clothes do that
I like to think they are made of wax (personal headcanon) and this is why collecting wax is so essential for skykids. And the candles we collect are left by spirits so we help keep their homes filled with light 
Does anyone know what the symbol of this season will be?
Sanctuary trousers make you brown, Rhythm trousers make you black or blue, Prophecy make you blue, Dreams black, Assembly dark brown
And if you squint - all Rhythm pants give you a bit different skin tones 
How about this
Let the chat bug stay in beta and not live
**chat bug (only beta)**
-Beta will not feel lonely
-Can make good friends !
-will be easy to expose and catch hackers
Damn i kinda want TGC extend the new seasonal map 😭
It's great as is
if it's limited to beta it could make it hard to test future chat props
Guys, when can we see the sunset in Sanctuary?
They can always revert it when we need to test stuff, I think a glaring issue is we wouldn't know if there's a global bug again and it inevitably transfers over to live
Is it just me or the hacking/hackers situation in beta has gotten really worse, I got on today only to come across 5 hackers with various UG on ( including the deer mask) in a home server
that's also a good point
I wasn't paying attention when I bought, but does the turtle spirit have a price for the coral crown? Or is it unlisted because it's WIP
Thanks guys :]
RIP privacy
That's nothing compared to messages across maps (one of them was inappropriate and i reported it)
It's really terrible
i stll think in the unlikely chance they enable global chat the best option is to make the small social areas at the start of realms open chat would be best and also fitting given the name, without forcing you to overhear everyone always all the time
wouldn't make chat props useless either
I just hate how they are clogging free slots for people who could be a real help for devs with bug hunting. Because they bring nothing to beta, just sit there like it's free live version 
I've tried to report all the memory candles i see outside of village theatre but it's... So many at this point, it's sad
With the chat bug I feel really lost and confused in conversations, I like to talk, but most of them ignore me 🤡
I just started reporting any hacker I met without any sense of pity 
Unrelated, but like the guitar guy reminds me of ibaraki doji from onmyoji for some reason
Oh me too, i publicly shame them if i see them too lol
how do you recognize one?
Unobtainable ults are a big way to spot them, like Deer mask & Lightseekers ults and more than one Performance ult at the moment
Exactly putting pressure on players around
an easy way to tell is if you see performance candles outside of the new area
Season of gratitude deer mask , light seekers umbrella
bonfire was legitimately obtainable, many belonging testers have it
Deer mask, lightseekers ult props (except for violet umbrella without glow - its a spell), all the ults of Performance season already unlocked
Infinite honks
usually fast runner
can change cosmetics in blink of a sec
I've seen messages showing skykids with modded avatars but haven't seen them wandering around
I was thinking it was client side initially like in live how they just look like moths but why do they appear that way into the messages?
Probably don't want to actually show their faces 
Or maybe there's an easier way to exploit memory candles
Those spirit avatars are only for spirits
What do you think the season icon would be ? the same icon as memory candle ?
Lmao when you become too fed up with them 
I'm still gonna report users I see with more than one Performance ult, if they're innocent then they shouldn't have to worry
The latter part .....I came across 6 players in the prairie ( different server ) with everything unlocked
Shouldn't you worry more about bugs? 👀
Who says I'm not? 
That's not how it works because everyone is able to get the AP themselves. After that you can't just "give it" to someone. If they are giving candles - that's a hacker too.
a report only leads do a possibility of someone looking into it, nothing will happen if you're "innocent" - usually players who use this kind of rhetoric want to spread misinformation to stop people from reporting them
sorry, not sure if I missed this in the updates but are we supposed to be able to see strangers' chats? 
There was this one i met at isle “My name is ChingXen etc etc” and that huge spirit just runs away 💀
Please, we are asked not to talk about hackers and hacks in this server. If you see something suspicious, report it in-game using the appropriate methods and move on with your game. Thanks.
I don't see why suddenly it's bad to report suspicious players... Still gonna do so
That's usually normal.
jelly spirit's pants look like they could be used for a plague doctor cosplag
I haven't played beta since long, maybe new
@molten panther I removed your post. Please don't discuss hackers, especially in any kind of detail. Make sure they get reported in game if you're able.
we'll only get to final quest in 0.17.5, let's not get ahead of ourselves 
I'm not the one who started this convo. Thank you very much.
I was just explaining they might report innocent players.
What do you mean "kinda"? It's LIT! 
An innocent player has nothing to worry about if they get reported. Better to report than let a hacker get away with their misadventures
But if they get banned they have a possibility of getting unbanned right
I should hope TGC is diligent in their reviews of player's accounts
Only if they are proven to violate TOS
but yes, as someone already said, time to change topic!
