beta-discussion

[stiff tusk]

Dont worry! You can still join with the next invite wave (though we dont know when it will come)
Read #beta-faq for info on how to join

[sand rune]

999 hearts

[stiff tusk]

Yep, it's more for veterans who've been playing for ages to give them something to work towards again, similar to the tier 2 capes

[craggy vapor]

Now me having nothing to do during quarantine and if I get my hands on sky beta, should get some progress.

[stiff tusk]

Do be warned: many bugs

[craggy vapor]

Bugs are what makes games fun imo. Not too unstable though. That would just be annoying.

[stuck robin]

Is the kizuna ai pack coming to live for days of love or days of bloom?

[torn scroll]

Some bugs are kinda funny actually but visual ones especially hurt my brain a little (like I’ve had experiences with flickering graphics before)

[cobalt jacinth]

!omgomgwhen - We never know for sure, we just get stuff for testing.

[gilded parrot]

No one knows when things will happen in Live Any Live announcements will be made in #news!

[final garden]

If it comes to live, it'll be during Bloom or otherwise with the next or some future update. Everything needed for Love to start is already in live

[stuck robin]

I was just curious, but thanks anyway

[stiff tusk]

Not to rain on the parade but
Most of the time bugs in beta arent fun, please dont be looking to join for early access. More often than not bugs leave people either crashing with no way to play, or causing glitches that make it hard to play, and in the current state, this camera issue is really messing with my photosensitivity. So if you want to play beta for "something else to do" please do know it is not smooth sailing, and it may be better to get another game rather than beta.
Also beta is hard work, every bug I come across requires film/photos of and then a couple minutes to report. Beta is for finding bugs, not for early access.
Thank you

[stuck robin]

Gotcha. Thank you

[torn scroll]

There’s also the aforementioned asteroid cape exploit so overall there’s some bugs in Sky that can let you go out of bounds in weird places and some bugs that really shatter the experience

[digital cargo]

no more floating?

[wraith fractal]

sorry for late reply/ping. if it's the one for "Temporarily leave others to design your shared space?" i believe we identified several bad translations for multiple languages and need to get that fixed. if there are other wonky translations, feel free to post in my DMs and i'll pass it along to the team.

sorry for the late ping to reply yes! that would be greatly appreciated, especially since this is a brand new language we're supporting. i'll pass it along to the localization folks

[stuck sparrow]

Yes, that's the one. I sent it to feedback 🙏 Thank you.

[hard bear]

Not me being jealous of your quarantine… not at all 🌝🥲

[misty roost]

got beta invite?

[tight gull]

Uhh does when you join beta sky does it give you all cosmetics?

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[final garden]

No, you still have to work for any cosmetics that cost hearts or candles

[fast skiff]

it does not because Beta is for testing purposes only, not for item previews—if that’s the case, play Live!

[spark lance]

the rhythm spirits should come at the christmas event (i know it will take a long time but i hope it will be like this)

[austere merlin]

Has anyone else noticed this? #beta-bugs-ios message

[sly arch]

So…
I had a problem which after saying, I’ll yeet myself to the #beta-bugs-ios

• Graphics and Camera problem

• The Camera shaking and moving as you move
• Graphics is too sharp

• Kizuna AI Cosmetics was removed in my Cosmetics Closet. Tho the Hair Band wasn’t remove from your Character till you restart the game
• Session Lost and a server reconnection

[carmine thorn]

Graphics and camera problem is in #beta-known-issues

[sly arch]

Oh right, I forgot.
Welp, guess I have to report the other 2

[inland halo]

Wait. Are devs killing features that allow to go out-of-bounds for real??

[gleaming yoke]

the graphics and camera-
bounce bounce
yet it somewhat hurts my eyes

[hollow cloak]

...Don't tell me the Kizuna items just got removed?

[copper bison]

they did.
i still have the hair on but it's missing from my closet

[hollow cloak]

I remember seeing a note in the updates that mentioned fixing clipping for the bow... I don't see it anymore
So I guess that whole thing just got retconned, huh...

[hearty fjord]

sus

[sly arch]

I ALMOST DID A BUG REPORT FOR THAT
Now I know why my cosmetics was removed…
And why I saw the “Session Closed” message

[copper bison]

i know for a fact they did have a note on that, because i sent feedback on bow clipping and when i read it i went "oh they listened to my feedback"

[hearty fjord]

they even stated the items were available after an update, why remove it all of the sudden?

[frosty fiber]

If you have the hair/bow/cape on, keep them on because your Sky kid is gonna get exclusive with those cosmetics

[sly arch]

So… TGC removed my cosmetics from my Skykids as well

[frosty fiber]

Oh nooo, they were replaced by moff outfits?

[viscid laurel]

I just noticed the Kizuna AI cape, hair and bow is missing in my closet when I changed changed after relieving and bought the cape and hair of the TS. 😭 and just read it in the beta updates channel 💔

[copper bison]

yeah, i logged in and i became moth

[frosty fiber]

Kizuna Bye

[hearty fjord]

funny how they referred to it always as the Kizuna AI items and now in the last update they are like: a specific hairstyle, bow and cape... maybe it was not supposed to be released yet (?)

[timid bough]

either they called off the collab or they are saving it for later

[deft belfry]

forever cryin now i thought they where gunna add the Kizuna to sky

[copper bison]

i really liked the hair. now i don't know what to wear on my skykid

[oak field]

Has anyone experienced, when I was in the daylight prairie, suddenly I was teleported to the world of the little prince?

[viscid laurel]

I was excited for it. I love the hair as I always use long hair for my Skyd. Glad I took some pictures of it while we still had it. I'm gonna miss it 🥺

[spark lance]

I hope it’s just a bug

[bold basin]

Oof, no more Kizuna Ai?

[timid bough]

they removed all mentions of said items and person

[oak field]

and also suddenly i sit down without my orders

[spark lance]

I remember there were ppl complaining about kizuna on nfts

[torn scroll]

YEAH that was a thing I saw a while back

[oak field]

is it a bug?

[timid bough]

tgc really do be listening to feedback

[bold basin]

They said "mistakenly" though?

[spark lance]

glad im still wearing the kizuna cape

[timid bough]

you can always mark something as a mistake later on

[frosty fiber]

Someone said it's replaced by the moff outfit 🥲

[torn scroll]

Uh oh tgc made an oopsie

[spark lance]

they mistakenly remove them?

[spark lance]

my games fully updated, still have it on tho!

[viscid laurel]

It might change later on. :')

[copper bison]

yeah my hair was replaced with moth but some people might still have it idk

[zealous shore]

No wonder I can't find my hair after changing it

[bold basin]

Noh, said mistakenly "added"

[spark lance]

yeah i think tgc just forgot about the cape or smthg? dunno

[slim kayak]

no, removing the items was not a mistake from what it looks like. i have a feeling they doubled back on the colab due to current issues that aren't related to beta, but i'm not a dev so i wouldn't know
sometimes plans change. its the nature of beta

[torn scroll]

I was wearing the bow accessory before because I thought it looked funny, I still have it on after the update though

[wanton stump]

no i think they did remove all of those items, but whatever items you were wearing before will remain until you take it off?

[frosty fiber]

Leave the limited edition cape on then, it'll be worth a fortune if the collab was cancelled

[spark lance]

O they said they mistakenly added kizuna?

[copper bison]

i don't believe that it was "mistakenly added", i know they announced it because they took feedback on the bow, which i gave feedback on. but oh well, rip kizuna items. guess they aren't coming to live

[spark lance]

mhm, thats what i mean djfjfj
cape doesnt show up in my closet

[viscid laurel]

I was still wearing the bow when I noticed the hair and cape missing, so I went to Office to find the visitor. When I went home, the bow is gone.

[slim kayak]

the items probably still exist in the game's code so that we don't crash when we log in due to wearing an item that doesn't exist. believe me, its happened a few times in beta already

[bold basin]

Never take it off once you do, it's GAWN

[fast skiff]

yes, that’s exactly what the post says

[tired glade]

Anything can be "mistakenly added"

[carmine thorn]

The only way it was "mistakenly added" was if the people who curate the feedback, patch notes, known issues, and engineering had no idea the items were not supposed to be added. It's either gross negligence for them being added, known issued, and changes in patch notes (which are now edited out) or they're trying to gaslight us

[viscid laurel]

Or maybe, don't log off the game 😅 or it will be gone when you restart or log in again

[spark lance]

DJFIIFKC I LOGGED IN AGAIN AND THE CAPES GONE-

[sly arch]

Depends

[copper bison]

competition: see who can stay in the longest with kizuna items

[deft belfry]

i still have hair and bow, takin some photoshoots b4 they go poof

[spark lance]

[torn scroll]

Whoever wins becomes the head of ThatGameCompany for a day

[viscid laurel]

I think it will take some time for it to be gone especially for those who are currently still in-game while wearing the items.

Sooo for the competition: don't log off or wish not for the game to crash 😂😂

[sly arch]

Me: yeet to my other beta friend who haven’t launch the beta

[spark lance]

I remember there was a patch note saying they were celebrating kizuna s hietus, why it went to a specific bundle after

[timid bough]

its edited out now

[tacit sun]

i know i wasnt crazy;
the Kizuna AI pack was intentional, TGC noticed that a lotta people got a large upsetti over it due to it being connected with NFTs, immediately took it out and now pretended it never happened

the last bit of “pretended it never happened” is just an attempt to cover up the small mistake they made

[deft belfry]

bro ugh its a game cosmedic tho

[distant sky]

How to get this update when the signal is poor?

[spark lance]

I really hoped players didn’t put into feedback on the nfts

[tardy hawk]

so no kizuna ai?

[timid bough]

the "pretending it never happened" is more or less avoiding legal issues, you don't want a brand name on something you don't associate with

[slim kayak]

yeah, the pack seem like a very deliberate collab. not really understanding the choice to say it was a mistake. i feel like most players would understand if they said they just decided to not have the collab if that's what happened? unless they're under a contract to not directly talk about it...

[bold basin]

The tea up in here

[spark lance]

Its.. hard to accidentally model an in game cosmetic and then code it into a game, but oh well haha.

[tacit sun]

just wish that TGC handled this better vs doing whatever they’re doing currently; its hard to backpedal when youve already stepped forward

[slim kayak]

oh whoops! my hand slipped, now we have 3 new events!
if only that was how games were made. everything would happen so fast.

[timid bough]

i think its good enough, they never announced anything to live game anyway

[deft belfry]

wasnt the hair and bow in the chines server a year ago tho? why are people bad now?????/

[bold basin]

If this is the case, then the nfts drama was true?

[copper bison]

i agree, there's no way it was a mistake. i don't understand why they had to lie about it tho

[tardy hawk]

mhm— i def feel something is sus, why would they put the pack in the update notes if it was a mistake? if they wanted to call off the collab there’s nothing wrong with that, but saying that it was a mistake seems fishy. not saying they’re lying, but i seems as so.

[sharp cliff]

I mean it was in beta and not in live, beta is always changing.

[spark lance]

Yes there were players threatening to quit on the nfts saying this has bad impacts on lower age players

No please don't remove the items I beg

[tardy hawk]

true, but a whole pack being removed after being announced is a little sus, no?

[slim kayak]

its been pretty public knowledge that kizuna ai was going into nfts for months. but its possible tgc had a contract signed before we found out about it

[carmine thorn]

And over half of the staff was clueless that the collab got cancelled...

[sharp cliff]

Not saying it isn't, but we all are beta tester and it's pretty basic for us to know, beta is not always same. Though probably something went down hill so they decided to take those cosmetics down.

[deft belfry]

But didnt they add the hair n bow to chines server a year ago?

[torn scroll]

Only time will tell what happens to the little cosmetic bundle fr

[sharp cliff]

Chinese server is handle by NetEase and not by tgc.

[spark lance]

These probably were in the feedback

[jade idol]

What i'm not understanding is why they decided to "pretend it never existed", instead of telling us that they removed it and the actual reason, because it was announced on the patch notes before

[prime void]

Netease owned Kizuna AI CN

[slim kayak]

yeah they did, but that was before the nft issue. the changes that happened in between then and now are what is making testers not support the collab

[timid bough]

to prevent legal issues most likely

[cosmic orchid]

wait, they pulled back the kizuna AI bundle? interesting

[tacit sun]

i get that NFTs are a large problem (and considering that TGC’s promoting benefits to nature and all) which would be quite ironic for TGC to do ngl; but man— i was actually excited for the pack as NetEase had it for a while and its a big exclusive over there

do i support NFTs? hard no; but its just a set of cosmetics we’re throwing a tantrum over

[slim kayak]

they said adding it was a "mistake" but we're a bit skeptical about that wording.

[indigo quarry]

Wait...Kizuna AI pack no more?

[carmine thorn]

Not really "pulled back." If you believe the #beta-announcements post, it "was a mistake" that we got the cosmetics...

[prime void]

So I suppose it would have been easier for them to introduce Kizuna to the Chinese server. Meanwhile the Japanese Kizuna is independent from the Chinese Kizuna

[tired glade]

"Mistakenly added"... hmm sus

[jade idol]

Even so, a collab with Kizuna AI could be a bad thing for tgc

[cosmic orchid]

I see
makes sense

[devout inlet]

If it was a "mistake" then why mention it in the patch notes?

[slim kayak]

we never really got the specifics for the collab, but traditionally, some of the profits would go to the other party, in this case, kizuna ai. many testers didn't want to support it

it is a shame that the cosmetics were really nice. but the collab would have been really bad press for them.

[tardy hawk]

it looks like the points in the patch notes where the Kizuna Ai pack was listed have been edited...

[indigo quarry]

We need explanation TGC !!!

[placid sky]

i'm sure they could've said "we've removed some recent cosmetics due to recent issues" without running into legal trouble. saying it was a mistake is just a white lie

[spark lance]

They could just add CN kizuna since they do not support nfts and also active on YouTube

[sharp cliff]

The said thing is removed from #beta-known-issues too

[eager harness]

What are the items people are talking about? I didn’t get any.

[prime void]

Exactly

[limpid crown]

What did they removed in Beta? I'm kinda confused...

[jade idol]

The Kizuna AI Bundle

[rain mantle]

Why even remove the Kizuna AI pack at this point; everyone knows about it.

Did they lose the rights?

[carmine thorn]

Saying it was mistakenly added in when we know for a fact it was in patch notes, known issues, and talked about by staff in this channel that the pack had issues being purchased and should be fixed in a future build isn't a white lie. It's straight up gaslighting.

[slim kayak]

we have no idea. we can only speculate at this point.

[spark lance]

It's always netease

[limpid crown]

Spells or the actual IAP or Both?

[viscid laurel]

Both

[wanton stump]

you can find pics by searching has: image in: beta-screenshots-and-vids kizuna with the discord search function

[eager harness]

They had to remove it. I don’t see why it’s a big deal. They might legally have had to. Getting mad at them is a little over the top.

[tardy hawk]

it’s so odd... why not own up to the real reason? it wouldn’t of done them any harm as a company, unless they did something wrong.

[limpid crown]

I'm not asking about that, I know what Kizuna AI is but what I'm confused is that what did they removed? The IAP? The Spell? Or Both?

Perhaps my English understanding skills is really low at this point

[copper bison]

all of it

[tacit sun]

could be legal issues; could be branding issues; could be whatever people left in #beta-feedback

we dunno

[jade idol]

Everything related to it

[sly arch]

Both

[bold basin]

No explanation. Just says "mistakenly added"

[wanton stump]

but then they said they have mistakenly added it before

[placid sky]

personally i'm not upset that they removed them, totally get it, just the way they went about it was questionable

[spark lance]

I think it’s because there are players writing in feedback threatening on quitting for nfts issues, but I was telling them if they do not agree with it they cannot buy but please do not bother others on it

[forest zephyr]

beta testing back alive because of Kizuna AI pack

[viscid sundial]

I'm honestly very glad the Kizuna pack was taken out, but the way they've posed this as a 'mistake' is kinda weird to me

[sly arch]

So basically… we have one question…
One Question: Why mistakenly added?

[tardy hawk]

looking at screenshots of beta notes— yep, the Kizuna AI pack was added, detailed, and even patched. the original notes where the pack was listed was edited to not have that section anymore. it’s... strange.

[slim kayak]

its the wording of the notice. it makes them seem like they're trying to make us forget it ever existed, which... why? its just weird that they would say a whole collab was a "mistake" and edit the patch notes to make it seem like it never existed.

[spark lance]

NETEASE I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU

[devout inlet]

It's alright that they removed it but why pretend like it never existed. The patch notes have all been edited to remove anything that mentioned the kizuna ai pack. Like the adjustment made to the bow to fix it floating on certain hairstyles. That patch note is no longer there

[lilac solstice]

Okay wait wait. The Kizuna Ai was added mistakenly?? I don't get how, they mentioned it as a collab though????

[jade idol]

I think they could have said that the kizuna ai bundle was removed due to some recent issues, instead of pretending it never existed

[shell skiff]

T^T

[wanton stump]

yea thats what we're all confused about as well

[viscid laurel]

Well. Whatever their reason behind it, all I can say it is I'm gonna miss it so much.

[prime void]

This has nothing to do with Netease though, the Kizuna AI meant for the global server was Japanese. Neatease owns the copyright to the Chinese version but not the Japanese one

[placid sky]

lets hope they avoid issues like these in the future, making collabs with specific people rather than franchises (like little the prince) is a slippery slope to go down especially with nfts and the controversy on it

[timid bough]

"the kizuna ai collab was a mistake"

[eager harness]

It was probably a colab issue and if it was legal reasons, yes, I could see them having to remove mentions of it.

[rain mantle]

Honestly the wording basically saying "an non-specific pack of items was removed; apologies" would've been fine...

... If they didn't also edit the original announcement mentioning the pack to delete any mention of the original pack.

(or at least I can't find it anymore)

That just makes it seem weird.

[copper bison]

yeah, netease (cn) kizuna is different iirc. there's no need to blame netease.

[spark lance]

I think it’s weird because you guys write in feedback about it

[lilac solstice]

I heard the brand supports nfts. If that's the reason, they could just say that's why. And they don't want to support brands like that

[steady falcon]

So never come in the future?

[tardy hawk]

seconded— if there’s a reason it had to be dropped, it would’ve gone across much better to say they had to drop the deal, instead of trying to sweep it under the rug as a “mistake”

[spark lance]

And what’s confusing

[rain mantle]

...

Just curious, did anyone take a screencap of the original announcement specifically mentioning Kizuna AI and/or the Kizuna AI pack?

[proud coral]

I’m just hopping in here and huh? 👁️👁️

[copper bison]

i think i have, but i'm not sure.

[indigo quarry]

Yes

[jade idol]

Are they gonna erase our memories too so we totally forget about the kizuna ai collab? /j

[sly arch]

Well this is my hypothesis so take it with a grain of salt as I might be wrong (I also expecting TGC answer after this):
After looking deep thru Kizuna AI channel:

• AI Channel
• AI Games
• AI Channel China
  The only one that has Sky content is the China Channel, I never seen a Global (Japanese) channel that has Sky Content. So the reason TGC said mistakenly added because there wasn’t a Sky gameplay with the Japanese Kizuna AI.

I’ll expecting TGC answer after this

[slim kayak]

you came in at a bad time unfortunately

[spark lance]

Apparently they took it out weirdly because you guys wrote In feedback about it ofc ur happy now

[final garden]

Don't get your hopes up on them communicating

[lilac solstice]

Even if they don't want to go into the whole reason why, it's still weird to call it a mistake. Just say something vague, like "Oh we just don't want to collab anymore"

[bold basin]

No, not all all, there is like 2 videos about Sky and one is like the reaction to the merch collab

[viscid sundial]

I'd much prefer transparency if it was something about legal troubles, not just make up that it was a mistake
Not complaining about it too much though, again. Kizuna made NFTs, and I'm glad we're not supporting her. But if this was about the NFTs, I wish they'd be transparent about it too

[carmine thorn]

And if they do, expect more gaslighting and shoving things under the rug.

[fallen summit]

[sharp cliff]

Tgc really said: let's pretend it never happened, bippity boppity boo

[eager harness]

I completely agree!

[lilac solstice]

I was actually planning not to buy it in live because they supported nfts anyways. Now I don't have to worry about it in live at all

[tired glade]

They are gaslighting

[tardy hawk]

TGC really took gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss to the heart, huh?

[tacit sun]

long story short: Kizuna AI pack got wiped and now its branded as a ”mistakenly added” pack to Beta and all official announcements, patch notes, et cetera, has been wiped of its name

[raw wasp]

Scolding student CEO

[indigo quarry]

What is nfts???

[eager harness]

No they didn’t.

[lilac solstice]

It's not necessarily that it's a big mistake. It's just the fact people are annoyed with the lack of transparency with the communication between devs and the playerbase

[viscid sundial]

Me2! I was advocating educating others on not supporting her which made some ppl mad... Well, now no one can buy it anyway!

[final garden]

Not in so many words, but that was the gist of what they said

[sharp cliff]

Not to mention they edited every single note that states about Kizuna AI

[slim kayak]

i really would like to be optimistic about this, but they deleted every mention of the pack and the collab from the patch notes as well as saying it was a mistake. it just doesn't paint a very good picture

[raw wasp]

skkdkdj just please explain tgc this is confusing

[placid sky]

again, it doesn't seem like people are upset, more so concerned on the transparency of the company which, in this case is generally unnecessary even if they want to avoid legal trouble. they don't need to say what they removed or insult the brand in order to say "due to issues, we've removed some cosmetics" rather than lying.

a companies honesty is pretty important

[lucid star]

I'm just mostly insulted they thought we wouldn't notice. Like they just put a sheet over it and said "yeah that doesn't exist" and thought we'd say "okay cool"

[viscid sundial]

They quite literally did, by removing all mentions of it in patch notes, and framing the pack as being added by mistake and then removing it without a word

[fallen summit]

Non fungible token

[eager harness]

This is beta. We are never guaranteed anything. Legal reasons might be behind this. Blaming TGC for this, saying they lied or they acting like it never existed is extreme. Everyone acting like TGC owes a big explanation is a little overboard.

[indigo quarry]

Well...buying IAP is your choice tho...either you want to be supportive or not supportive

[ionic bluff]

This is just a blatant example of bad communication, I really hate to say it 😭

[sly arch]

Can you please send it in my DM?

[raw wasp]

Iirc maybe it was a huge miscommunication. Maybe the ai pack was the collab for later in the year… hmm…

[copper bison]

perhaps, but even so, i'm still wondering why their choice of wording was "mistakenly added" when we know that it wasn't.

[slim kayak]

i don't think so, because it mentioned the haitus, which is happening in march. the event lines up.

[sharp cliff]

We're not saying that, and we all are beta tester so we know beta is always meant to change, but we're talking about things that were going on for a week or so. They literally mention it everywhere and have talk about fix when people were not able to buy the pack. We're just talking about how and why things went downhill.

[dull brook]

Guarantee out of the way, not even a BIG explanation is needed.. Even just a basic "for legal reasons we are removing the recent Kizuna cosmetic pack added to the game" would go better than sweeping it under the rug like some CIA coverup.

[fallen summit]

So if you haven't login beta for a month its still there?

[eager harness]

True, but they might even have been told to say that. We don’t know.

[timid bough]

technically you can label any choice anything as a mistake later on

[placid sky]

we're meant to be critical, isn't that what beta's all about anyway?

[ionic bluff]

It’s just kinda strange how they’re acting like this was never intended when they said something completely different in a patch note. It’s more or less being confused about the bad communication skills.

[jade idol]

I think you don't get the point, they could just remove it, but they also pretty much pretended it never existed, they removed everything related to it, it was not mistakenly added and we all know that, we are just questioning that

[rain mantle]

Yeah... I mean, you don't mistakenly implement a full set of cosmetics in the game just out of the blue.

Maybe there was a mistake with IP rights, but the actual act of putting something in a game isn't so easy that one might "whoopsie, implemented three new cosmetics." It's a planned process.

Honestly this would all be easier if TGC was just a tad more transparent; instead it'll just become the next Beta kerfuffle people will talk about for the next few days.

[sharp cliff]

In polite and friendly way* Yes

[placid sky]

absolutely!

[peak token]

so no more kizuna ai pack?

[raw wasp]

Honestly i just BEG the team to clarify a bit… thats all i need cus i never rlly liked the pack anyways

[carmine thorn]

Then tell me, in what world would adding an asset to the game, openly talk about it's purchase being bugged and that it would be fixed in a future update, adding in update notes about fixes to clipping with hairstyles, then removing all mention of it and claiming it as "mistakenly added" not lying?

[limpid crown]

I'm honestly confused, not mad at all

[terse hound]

some of u are reading into it too deep, i think

[ionic bluff]

If they were a TEENSY bit more clear on why this was happening I promise you no one would be this mad, but this is just blatant bad communication. I thought they said they were trying to improve on communication before

[tardy hawk]

Hell, they ever added an NPC with the cosmetics. It’s hard to just. Accidentally put that in game through several patches.

[edgy zinc]

Whats going on 💀

[lilac solstice]

I don't care about the pack. I just am so confused on why they hyped it up, then just called it a mistake. It's so out of the blue

[forest zephyr]

some stuff 💀

[jade idol]

And they even fixed a bug where we couldn't buy the bundle

[eager harness]

Progress could be wiped tomorrow and everything gone.

[prime void]

People aren’t being impolite or unfriendly though?

[final garden]

Apparently improving communication is going to be a process

[spark lance]

Some people are assuming that the kizuna ai pack is no longer available, and now they're waiting for clarification from TGC's side

[ionic bluff]

unfortunately 💀

[narrow current]

#beta-announcements

[viscid sundial]

It's not assuming?? Read #beta-announcements

[limpid crown]

My question is, what do they mean by "Mistake"?

[indigo quarry]

I just need TGC explanation for this, it’s really annoying to see “added by mistake “ and before all this , they announce the pack and explain Kizuna AI is going to hiatus and all that , then removed as a mistake added to the game ???

[wanton stump]

not assuming, you can check

[final garden]

That's... not really relevant, frankly

[kind hawk]

I think the Kizuna AI pack was removed because TGC didn't get her authorization, so it was removed

[sharp cliff]

I mean we're the skykids who are testing things before it'll go in live, and what if it would have happened when pack reached to live. The chaos would've been way to big than this

[unique fox]

There’s no need to get into the deep legal reasons as of to why but categorising it as a mistake and writing it off as if it never happened is not the right way to tell your player base that something didn’t work out.

[lilac solstice]

Personally, I don't care about the reason. What bugs me is calling it a mistake when it wasn't

[rain mantle]

Yeah I mean:

• Adding a new NPC
• Implementing all the cosmetics to begin with (at a character model level)
• Adding a new purchasable set
• Updating it several times and explicitly mention you're fixing things.

... None of that seems like a development "mistake," it just sounds like planned additions during development phases. You don't just accidentally implement whole features like this without somebody noticing.

It really sounds like the mistake either was that the IP rights weren't figured out, or that there was a backlash for the NFT drama behind the brand, but we just don't know at this point.

And realistically the only people who do know are folks at TGC.

[forest zephyr]

not sure because of what it was removed for, i think tgc didnt state the reason? if they did, my bad

[eager harness]

Yes it is. Everyone is upset it’s been deleted and no explanation. Progress could have been wiped tomorrow anyway with no explanation.

[narrow current]

Idc about the pack at all but the lack of communication from tgc to its testers and tbh beta community as a whole is quite baffling. I would get it if its a legal thing but there must be a better way to clarify it

[stark lake]

So this new dress is just a wrong addition?Obviously it is very cute, and I like it very much.😩

[final garden]

This isn't related to our progress

[jade idol]

⬆️

[slim kayak]

that's not what we're upset about. it was actually removed. a lot of people didn't support the collab. the issue is that it sounds like tgc is trying to hide something by deliberately erasing mentions of the collab in their patch notes as well as saying it was a mistake when clearly the collab was intentional? its just weird

[ionic bluff]

I don’t understand what’s so bad about saying the reason honestly. This is so blatant it’s not even funny. Countless beta testers saw the patch notes about kizunas cosmetics and how they implemented them intentionally because she was on hiatus, and now they’re saying it was never intended at ALL? just a little fishy

[tardy hawk]

i thought you said you were going 🤨

[wary star]

guys... the pack was literally chinese server exclusive???

shouldve expected this

[indigo quarry]

No you can’t made things that isn’t authorisation first

[lucid star]

Even calling it a mistake was wrong because we know it's not, but to actually go back through their notes and remove the evidence says a lot about what they were trying to do

[edgy zinc]

I mean the bow is 💀

[sharp cliff]

Removing pack from whole game is way big than pack getting removed from our beta acc...

[tropic radish]

Having it be described "mistakenly added" while the patch had detailed it like it's on purpose, then dissapears, does raise various questions. They even treat it like its never meant to be. It didn't happen.
Most probably will go unanswered though.
Something tells me it's about permission and contract issues-

[eager harness]

For real!

[jolly bear]

Honestly
If something like this happened

I can only say that someone did something in the Feedback which making TGC take this Force Remove at once

The last time something like this happened are when LP comes, which was Result of Rampage from all Members in this Discord Server

So, in short, someone or some people did the same thing which making this Decision getting Turned Right away

[jade idol]

You still don't get the point, it's not about the item that got removed, it's about they way they are pretending it never existed

[deft belfry]

oh god beta fights again 💀

[tacit sun]

i just want a dev or someone who knows the design choices of the decision made so we can get something of insight

[indigo quarry]

The pack at CN ver is different tho, you can try to look up to it

[wanton stump]

people are more forcused on the fact that tgc pushed all of the kizuna ai stuff aside as a mistake, not really the fact that the items themselves are missing.

[wary star]

no, all the items were

only thing that's changed were the bow is now an accessory

[placid sky]

people are being pretty respectful idk what u guys are seeing
edited for clarification:

[ionic bluff]

this seems pretty civil for a beta fight

[viscid pike]

Maybe Tgc is just worried that Kizuna AI will cause Server Error all day...Just kidding...

[timid bough]

kizuna ai is a brand name and if the contract itself got dismantled most likely they wouldn't be allowed to mention it, especially when you were originally selling said brand

[torn scroll]

It’s not really a fight per se, more like a general debate really

[tardy hawk]

i don’t see anyone swearing or names being called, it seems peaceful to me

[eager harness]

Yes I do. They haven’t explained themselves so everyone is getting upset. They don’t owe an explanation! How about giving them a chance to explain themselves instead of assuming.

[narrow current]

I wouldn't call this a fight tbh its a reasonable response to what's going on.

[unique fox]

The Chinese version cape is red on the inside though?

[placid sky]

its like its a beta testing discussion ,,, oh wait

[terse hound]

ok lets take off our tinfoil hats for a sec and look at it from a business perspective. if a company is dealing with the intellectual property that is not their own. they legally have to do exactly what the ip holder demands, which could easily include removing stuff from a testing environment if released before they had approval. it could be something super crazy like the collab was canceled or it could be that they dont like the way the items look and want them removed until they are in an approvable state and yes that includes any and all mention if the collabs name even in old news posts. for all we know stuff could come back in the next update.

[tropic radish]

The hair and cape is also different. It references the international Kizuna AI

[sharp cliff]

Tbh none is upset here; being upset and curious are two different things, all are aware what is beta is about. All are curious to know about thing going down hill when there were fixes and notes were going around about pack. I mean, it's natural to be curious and know things.

[jade idol]

You still don't get it, please try to read further

[lilac solstice]

I don't care what the reason is. I don't care if they make it vague or whatever. I just hate the sweeping it under the rug issue they have going on.

[spark lance]

So why isn’t tgc doing this. They don’t need to remake hairs even

[narrow current]

Exactly be clear with Your community.

[dull brook]

They had a chance, when they deleted all mention and were vague about the removed content like they want to act as if the Kizuna content NEVER existed on the global server.

[eager harness]

Yes. Exactly.

[torn scroll]

I guess we’ll have to wait until they make a statement sometime

[prime void]

The Chinese version was a collab with AI Chinese - the pack that was just removed was with the Japanese one, they have similarities but are owned by different companies

[copper bison]

yeah, iirc cn only had hair (bow was attatched to hair) and cape, and it was a different hair to match kizuna ai cn's hair and the cape was different (didn't have the hearts and inside was more red iirc) while beta was more like kizuna ai jp with the long hair, bow was seperate, and cape was slightly different.

[ionic bluff]

They could’ve ORIGINALLY explained themselves. TGCs had a history of bad communication and this is just ridiculous, that’s why everyone’s mad. The kizuna cosmetics went through a lot of patch updates and clarification for it to just be shot down and act like it NEVER happened or was intentional? Tell me that’s not weird.

[terse hound]

legally they may not be allowed to if the contract says so

[prime lintel]

Yeah, the patch notes for the update with the items literally said “Kizuna AI items available” so it was 100% deliberate on tgc’s part to add them to beta in the first place, so why try to pretend that’s not true?

[wary star]

probably because it was changed to fit international

either way this debate is literally god awful stupid..... it's just another basic female hair, main game white cape with pink inside and hearts, and they can literally just remake the bow if yall want it so bad

fyi we have too many female hairs

[carmine thorn]

They did explain themselves, by lying and saying it was mistakenly added in #beta-announcements.

[raw wasp]

Honestly put it in feedback they might not be listening here

[tardy hawk]

THIS. TGC ALWAYS tries to sweep everything under the rug with their community. see am**y and the ht situation, TGC always tries to sweep things under the rug, and attempts to gaslight the player base into not questioning anything.

[viscid sundial]

It's really not about the cosmetics at all...

[slim kayak]

just to clarify, i am not upset about the removal of the pack. i'm mostly impassive on that front. I'm just wondering why word it like they never wanted to do the collab in the first place?

[lucid star]

TGC almost never gives explanations for things like these, so I'm not hopeful. I think Kizuna AI is joining Amnesty Int. under the rug

[rain mantle]

TL;DR:

Kizuna AI pack is likely gone for reasons we don't know yet. TGC representatives being vague about it and deleting all previous messages directly mentioning the brand is... slightly suspect to several people.

This just feels like an issue of IP rights; if it was the NFT controversy TGC might directly state it, but if it's an IP kerfuffle saying absolutely as little as possible could be for legal reasons. It's unfortunate, but might just be how it is.

[final garden]

It's not losing the cosmetics that's the problem, though. It's that TGC doesn't communicate well

[terse hound]

the only gaslighting going on here is you doing it to yourselves and one another imvho

[unique fox]

This really isn’t about how the cosmetics look but how the removal of said item was announced.

[eager harness]

Stop telling me what I do or don’t know. They aren’t sweeping anything under the rug. Legally they might have to do this. Does anyone not understand that? Let’s give them a chance to explain.

[torn scroll]

Adding on - I’m just confused because it was a very all-of-a-sudden removal of the items and we only got a very vague cue I’m not upset or anything like anything could’ve happened tbf

[prime lintel]

Even worse, why cover up the update info saying they added it

[spark lance]

It may be too late if that happens since TGC has now showered oil over the fire they created

[dim surge]

wait does the bow hair been removed??!

[edgy zinc]

Yes 💀

[final garden]

They had a chance to explain in that post and didn't take it

[carmine thorn]

Because no one who follows Discord's TOS should have access to their post edit history.

[wary star]

oh

also, real quick.. they could literally just nab the bow and cape, make the outside part of the cape pink, then rebrand it as days of love stuff

[wanton stump]

we are talking about their explanation from #beta-announcements , and the way they've decided to go about it is to push it aside as a mistake

[jade idol]

@eager harness

[ionic bluff]

they could give us the TEENSIEST bit more of Info on why this happened without breaking any contract if it does exist. There has to be a different approach, they could have just simply said they need to take the items out instead of saying it was never intended.

[tropic radish]

• we're not dissapointed that the Pack got removed
• we're dissapointed because how it's being removed. Like a mistake, without context

[prime void]

They have had the chance to explain…no valid legal requirements would require a game company to tell its playerbase a failed collab was just a mistake.

[prime lintel]

What should have been said in that case: “due to copyright issues, the kizuna ai items have been removed from testing.”

What was said instead: “we accidentally added them” (despite previous update descriptions clearly stating they were deliberately added

[placid sky]

say it louder for the people in the back

[rain mantle]

Honestly I think the main disappointing thing is the hair getting cut.

It's like.. the second (?) hair in the game with colored highlights, first being juggler (?)

In the grand scheme of available cosmetics in the game, it's pretty unique. It's unfortunate to see it go.

[spark lance]

They are trying to even avoid mentioning kizuna , it’s very likely is the controversy issues, because of the feedback thanks to those “heroes”

[eager harness]

It could have been mistakenly added too early and might even be back tomorrow. Give them a chance. This is all way out of proportion.

[final garden]

They had a chance to explain and they blew it. They literally already threw away that chance

[viscid sundial]

That'd be too much of a risk - plus the bow is very exclusive to Kizuna. Just look at the NFTs they made... And once again, this isn't about the cosmetics

[peak token]

ok but its getting funnier how they add the kizuna ai and then say it was accidentally released in beta and then removed

i thought it got copyrighted or such 🧍

[spark lance]

bruh they removed ai pack, lame

[sharp cliff]

Too early? isn't that too late to say that. It was going here for week or so

[lilac solstice]

And they don't even have to give context! Just say they don't want to collab anymore. That is still so much better than pretending it's a mistake

[wanton stump]

"These items and spells were not meant to be added." implies that they are not planning on adding it at all though?

[edgy zinc]

[ionic bluff]

It’s not that hard to accept tgc has bad communication skills

[spark lance]

But I think maybe 10% players think because kizuna push nfts so I won’t buy the pack, do you really think ur doing the right thing

[jade idol]

"Mistakenly Added"
"Hey look beta testers, we are testing the kizuna ai bundle!!!!"
"Oh, we know about a bug where you can't buy kizuna ai items and we are gonna fix it!"

[gilded basin]

wait what's going on

[fervent patrol]

Yeah, Ive got a feeling this is the case. It mightve been legal issues, etc etc. Tbh, maybe we should wait till someone explains it better...

[tropic radish]

I have to appreciate the Big positive view on this. Maybe the contract says to not elaborta
Though, do let the others place out their thoughts as well as long as we stay civil ^•^

[narrow current]

Exactly, people really want to look at them with rose tinted shades and pretend everything they do is flawless its dumb.

[spark lance]

kizuna ai pack removed

[placid sky]

we don't even know if its because of nfts, we don't care why they removed it or the fact that they did, its the sweeping it under the rug thats bothering people

[kind hawk]

What? Kizuna push that virtual stuff?

[spark lance]

Still, if we want this debate to end then TGC must prepare an acceptable explanation or things are going to get worse

[unique fox]

I think you need to understand that a company should be able to communicate with their player base more clearly over such decisions.

[slim kayak]

its another case of poor communication unfortunately.

[languid bear]

TGC: There are circumstances for adults.
Me: The sound of a baby crying

[jade idol]

⬆️

[tardy hawk]

Watch this go right under the rug alongside amnesty and the dream hat

[viscid sundial]

Kizuna has confirmed to have made NFTs though it's not a matter of assuming. I'm not sure how this became about me doing the right thing

[eager harness]

I agree, but I don’t think it’s staying civil. I think everyone should allow TGC the chance to explain before judging them.

[timid bough]

deja vu

[ionic bluff]

I really hope they do we’ve been complaining for so long about bad communication and they haven’t worked on it

[zenith mist]

honestly if they cancelled the collabs because of the nft complaints id respect that way more than just acting like it never happened saying they cancelled a collab bc it doesn't align with their views makes them look way better than.. doing whatever this is

[chrome ferry]

i feel like this was probably the worst way they could have gone about this lmao
like... "oops we accidentally added a full pack! whoopsie!" doesnt really work when its mentioned in patch notes multiple times AND in known issues

[indigo quarry]

I know some of the people don’t like the pack becuz of nfts, but buying IAP is your choice , if you want to buy it then buy it , if you don’t want to buy it because of nfts then don’t buy it , this is the easiest things to do tho

[wary star]

the dreams hat was literally just chinese server throwing a tantrum

[final garden]

They had the chance to explain and threw it out the window

[prime void]

In what ways are people not being civil?

[lilac solstice]

I'm an adult, and I'd like them to talk to the player base like adults

[placid sky]

hey guys i don't think we're being civil enough yet lets hold hands

[tiny tinsel]

tgc isn’t gonna give you special treatment for defending them. they’ve chosen to remain vague about something that obviously wasn’t a mistake. it’s not about the removal of the cosmetics it’s the way they’re handling it

[slim kayak]

in terms of our previous beta discussions, this is very civil imo. no one has insulted each other yet. ~~lets keep it that way ~~

[gilded basin]

did i miss something else i know abt the dreams hat thing but what's amnesty about

[jade idol]

They already explained themselves... In the wrong way, saying it was mistakenly added and pretending it never existed.

[edgy zinc]

I see some people still have the items on, i guess anyone who wears it still have em

[copper bison]

tgc has always been really vague so they could backpedal/sweep things under the rug in case additions/changes/decisions they made got a lot of backlash from what i remember

[sharp cliff]

Communication is always a problem with tgc. We don't get information until we forced it out by bugging over it or when tgc feels like.

[tropic radish]

Yes, correct
We are allowing them to explain. But we haven't gotten that yet
But they're voicing out their opinions as well.
We will voice our opinions and discuss it out untill they give an explanation ^^

[spark lance]

This is not just about you but a small group of ppl like you trying to affect everyone here because their own opinions on an issue

man i was hype when kizuna ai pack come to na, now they destroyed the hope of global player

[tardy hawk]

They tried to explain and threw the chance right in the river.

[wary hollow]

honestly im not part of beta but maybe theyre retracting theyre collab due to kizuna ai (the people managing her brand specifically) are dabbling into nfts??? thats obviously just speculation but it oculd explain it but them being vague is also rly weird :/

[wary star]

oh yeah????????????????????? you're.... broke in candles in live!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhaaaaaaa!!!!!

(i am too dw)

[spark lance]

Can someone explain what's going on?

[ionic bluff]

THANK YOU. I love tgc with all my heart but when people defend them blindly for stuff like this it bothers me, they’re obviously in the wrong here and could’ve handled this better without giving us a reason to trust their communication less.

[lilac solstice]

Even if that's the reason, it doesn't matter. We just want clarity

[edgy zinc]

The kizuna ai pack was removed mistakenly

[placid sky]

what a lovely discussion /gen

[jade idol]

⬆️

[wary hollow]

no i agree thats why i think its weird theyre being so vague and not clarifying its not that hard to just tell people "hey where cancling a collab we apolagize"

[dreamy yacht]

the pack is gone for good?

[prime lintel]

I’m judging them solely for the fact that they haven’t explained anything yet, just swept things under the rug by editing past update messages regarding the items and trying to tell us they were added accidentally. There was a specific update saying “we fixed these items because of clipping” so there’s no way TGC would fix an accidental addition unless it was intended to be there at all. It’s not hard for a company to have a prepped explanation before they do the removals

[steady falcon]

Dont think too much

[torn scroll]

Exactly! Nobody’s upset over the in-game cosmetics disappearing, it’s the way they chose to word it - Extremely vague and almost glossed over in a sense.

[spark lance]

There's something wrong with all of this, I think TGC didn't get the license with Kizuna and ended up inventing this excuse, I'm just saying

[languid bear]

Sometimes TGC has covered up problematic things with the sensibility of telling fairy tales. Always ambiguous explanation.

[eager harness]

We don’t know yet.

[viscid sundial]

This isn't about my opinion. It's about the way TGC is handling this matter

[narrow current]

Exactly plus the collab is mid anyway

[lilac solstice]

There's gonna be people upset over it, but that's okay. They'll get over the disappointment

[tropic radish]

This discussion would've been more lighter if they just removed it. Like, just removed it

Instead of saying it's a mistake

[spark lance]

Okay let me explain since you don’t understand. A small group ppl like you think tgc should take off kizuna pack because they push NFTS and you all write in the feedback think that would help with environment

[jade idol]

And pretending it never existed

[wary star]

by the way

it's been 50 minutes since the message

can we not freak out this Soon

[slim kayak]

hmm... if they never got the license then they wouldn't be legally allowed to create the items in the first place. a contract had to have been in place for a while

[pale junco]

That's still not a "mistake"
There are other ways to say why it was removed.
Tgc was possibly going to support problematic thing, they removed it just as people were mentioning their concerns and were asking for explanation from them.
Isn't it coincidental. Now Tgc is acting like they were never going to support it like...

[wooden quest]

oh no everyone has a valid point like we literally could care less if they removed something thats their decision but why the got be lying about it

[final garden]

That's just a different form of poor communication, though

[prime lintel]

Why bother posting the message about the removal at all if you’re not going to explain it

*you being TGC

[edgy zinc]

If they don't get the license they wont make these cosmetics in the first place 💀

[viscid sundial]

Please move on.

[unique fox]

We are free to discuss and share our opinions on the matter.

[dreamy yacht]

it is what it is I guess, we are in beta after all
although I wonder what's gonna happen with all the beta spoiler youtube videos that already exist

[raw wasp]

I mean one of the composers for Sky’s music got stolen and turned into nfts so…

[valid marsh]

We can't sure this is bug or nah
If tgc make Kizuna Ai pack without their company permission
This should sue tgc for infringement

[tropic radish]

Yes, as I said
"Lighter discussion"
Not "this discussion would've never happened"

[narrow current]

Channel name 🤓

[wary hollow]

i dont think this is just a disapointment thing people are right to call out tgcs weird behavior when they easily could have just said "hey were not doing this collab anymore for x/y reason we are sorry"

[ocean widget]

what was removed guys?

[spark lance]

kizuna ai pack

[bold basin]

GIRL I CAN'T EVEN POST MY NPC KIZUNA AI PICS IN #beta-screenshots-videos AND IT SAYS IT'S EXPLICIT CONTENT THE DRAMA

[jade idol]

The Kizuna Ai Bundle

[slim kayak]

this is what happens when info spreads before they are officially announced. a lot of misinformation and outdated info circles around

[ionic bluff]

let people talk about this, it’s an important discussion. I really thing tgcs bad communication is a huge problem that needs to be talked about

[fervent patrol]

Or for some reason the license suddenly got cancelled when ppl are already testing the stuff in beta. I guess that could be why its called a "mistake", but uhhh, not traying to excuse it tho

[gilded basin]

if the ip holders did tell them to get rid of the items without explaining why, they couldve just said theyre being removed without going out of their way to say it was a mistake

[valid marsh]

Am I the only one who still wear Kizuna Ai pack-

[spark lance]

It's too late now, sadly

[rain mantle]

I'll also be real, TGC are set up in Santa Monica, California and it's late at night on a Friday there.

Real talk there probably won't be any further communication till Monday. Honestly it'd be more likely slowmode gets upped or the channel gets muted.

[spark lance]

Let's get to the facts: what's the logic of them putting these 3 cosmetics in the global version first? It doesn't make sense that they accidentally put on and made these cosmetics, so I'm saying
They possibly put the cosmetics there for this event and as they didn't get the license, it was possibly because of that.
I could be wrong, so don't believe it 100%

[dreamy yacht]

restart the game and you become a moth

[ocean widget]

im depressed

[sharp cliff]

A good communication is when, you're posting about something that's going to happen in game as well as with explanation of it. It they have time to edit all past post mentioning pack and dropping a message in #beta-announcements, then i strongly believe they have time to post an explanation too or just pop in here and explain it. We can just give link to others.

[prime lintel]

Sometimes I wonder if that’s deliberate

[languid bear]

⬆️

[chrome ferry]

and they always seem to do this! yall remember the start of TLP in beta?

[torn scroll]

I’m not too informed, what happened exactly?

[tropic radish]

A channel only gets muted when it becomes hostile and unstoppable
All I've seen here so far are debates

[copper bison]

they always seem to go off and take a break at the worst times

[spark lance]

I don't wanna remember that time again ngl

[placid sky]

totally understand that its late in california, however, why do they always make announcements like this and then go straight to bed?

[spark lance]

yea they destroyed global hope and their money

[rain mantle]

I mean, releasing "bad" or controversial news on a Friday is an actual PR thing large groups do a lot. It's called a "Friday news dump"

[wary star]

maybe it's something that should be private, and they want to be... private about it?

while yeah they shouldve explained to soften the blow, it's not needed

dare i say it, you all are being very unnecessary about this.

[dreamy yacht]

what happened then?

[timid bough]

this channel never gets muted, only slowmode

[digital cargo]

i hope they make up for this tho

[chrome ferry]

check #beta-announcements they removed the kizuna ai pack because it was "released by accident". thats pretty much a blatant lie, so we're chatting about it here

[wary hollow]

then they can just say its a private matter instead of lying

[spark lance]

How was it their mistake but at the same time they put these cosmetics in the global version? Wasn't it unique to the Chinese server? It makes no sense.

[alpine parrot]

🤔

[final garden]

Right, let's just all agree to never hold TGC accountable for anything ever and then hold hands and sing around a campfire /s

[torn scroll]

YEAH I KNOW THAT LOL I was asking about the tlp situation

[slim kayak]

i'm not sure if you understood my original message? they would not be legally allowed to even create the models and put them in the game if they didn't sign a contract, since its possible they could get sued. i presume they had to have had some type of contract with kizuna ai to put these items in beta

[tardy hawk]

if anyone wants the screens where the kizuna ai pack was mentioned or patched, LMK. it’s very clear it was meant to be added, and so, so sus that the messages were edited to remove all mentions.

[wary star]

what if it was a mistake as in "uh oh we shouldn't have done that" like realizing it'd be bad

[lilac solstice]

We don't care about whether they say what the reason is. We are upset about how it was handled. We just want them to tell us that they don't want to collab, not the whole story about everything.

[narrow current]

Stop making excuses for tgc when they are legit a whole team of people who could've handled it better

[edgy zinc]

Imagine released it intentionally even saying in the patch notes and then removed it and said it was an accident

[placid sky]

"These items and spells were not meant to be added"

[alpine parrot]

👏

[tropic radish]

A little "the Collab was cancelled" could go a long way #^^)

[fervent patrol]

I said earlier its possible that the license for it suddenly got cancelled? Though... TGC couldve worded it differently...

[ionic bluff]

They could’ve realized it was bad like a week ago or before they made the decision to add her in

[chrome ferry]

the friday before labour day weekend, TLP testing started in beta. there was over $60 USD of IAP packs, things which should have been IGC or in the pass. chat exploded for about 4 days in protest

[valid marsh]

I don't think they're "released by accident"
If it's accident , tgc will announce it faster before, but why this time is late?

[wary hollow]

it wasnt though theyres proof that the kizuna ai pack was released intentionally and are now trying to make it off as if it never was when they simply could have told theyre reasoning and if its private just say "we need to remove this for reasons we cant state we are sorry"

[unique fox]

When a company acts poor about a situation, people should have the right to point it out and discuss it.

[prime lintel]

The fact that they’re pretty much straight up lying to us right now about the intentionality of the additions for testing is messed up. Like others have said, they could have just said “hey we’re not doing the collab due to xyz (or even just say “we’re not at liberty to discuss the details of this decision and apologize for the confusion/ inconvenience” ) and it would be a very different conversation

[gilded basin]

it kills me because like,,, if it's an accident then why did we get two unique items instead of just a port of the chinese server's kizuna items

[slim kayak]

yeah, that's the thing we're upset about. its the wording of the message

[dreamy yacht]

I mean, they do say it was a mistake, not an accident

[spark lance]

Again, I think this is highly likely what is going on

[tardy hawk]

if it was released by accident why were they patched 🤨 several times 🤨 and given an npc to sell them 🤨 and mentioned several times in the patch notes 🤨

[tiny tinsel]

they definitely do, kizuna ai brand is owned and licensed by a company, tgc has done a collab before and i’m not sure they’d be so naive to do another one thinking they don’t need a contract or official agreement again… even if they do, it’s possible for contracts to break, it could be a factor but that’s just speculation at this point ofc

[sharp cliff]

Tbh everyone here is waiting for an explanation but it seems like it ain't coming any time soon

[placid sky]

appearently the patch notes write themselves

[final garden]

I am shocked and surprised

[wary hollow]

tgc sure likes to do that ngl

[wary star]

either way there are so many conclusions and possible reasons for this that er should all just wait for them to say something

plus, the topic would fit better in #beta-feedback, you guys can spam it over there if you want ("spam"s kinda harsh but whatever)

[tropic radish]

The items were emeant to be. Already made for the Collab
The most safest assumption right now is that the Collab is cancelled
And not in a good light
It's not okay to be passive agressive

[chrome ferry]

TGC has given us consistently poor communication for ages. i dont know why im surprised at this point

[kind hawk]

There are actually 3 kizuna, one is the original, one is the Chinese version, and one I can't remember. And their corresponding authorizations are also different, just like the style of the Chinese kizuna iap is different from the beta iap that has just been removed

[prime lintel]

Oh don’t worry, I will be 😄

[zenith mist]

tgc has a history of poor communication, while you may think the reaction to this is a little extreme (..i dont..) it isn't just this one event causing people to feel this way

[narrow current]

You are hurt. Get a grip.

[pale junco]

There's no kizuna in ba sing se 😀

[lilac solstice]

Personally, I think it could be they don't want to be seen as a company that supported a brand who supports nfts. But I think what would make it better is if they literally said that was the reason. I mean I'd feel great knowing a game company I actually care about said they don't support nfts.

[gilded basin]

i'll give it a day and hope we at least get like,,, an edit to that message removing the "accidentally" or something i dont expect much from tgc in the communication department

[tardy hawk]

I understand the wish to put things in feedback, but usually, mass uproar in a conmon chat gets more attention.

[final garden]

Or, since it's beta related, we could discuss it here

[placid sky]

✨ discussion chat ✨

[spark lance]

By the way: Where is the TGC to clarify this?
And also why did it take them so long to realize this? It's been 1 or 2 weeks since this update came out and they just now said that they put this Kizuna AI pack

[gilded parrot]

Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself instead of asking here when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve

[wary star]

again, there's literally so many reasons that could cause this, making this whole "civil argument", which is now turning into an argument in which everyone is against me, ONCE AGAIN, completely useless.

[alpine parrot]

People need to stop being so adamant on defending tgc. It’s ok to Hold them accountable literally

[slim kayak]

its 9 pm in california, past most working hours. its highly likely we won't get any word (if at all...) for the next few days.

and ok, we're starting to get a little agressive yall. let's try to not push anyone out of the conversation, no matter their stance

[spark lance]

Sorry. Looks like almost everyone currently present in here are doing some sort of vicious heroism against TGC

[sharp cliff]

Just dropping it here for reminder; do remember to stay friendly towards each other

we all are children of light, let it glow.

[copper bison]

asleep, probably. it's like almost 9pm there.

[eager harness]

All of this should be in beta feedback. And TGC should be given the chance to explain themselves.

[final garden]

They have had the chance

[tardy hawk]

dude you are literally the only one arguing right now. from what i see, everyone is being civil with you.

[spark lance]

well they making their money on that pack go away

[tropic radish]

Yes. Dropped it
Now can I discuss it here ?

[narrow current]

channel name + you are making excuses for them + nobody agrees.

[raw wasp]

Please do actually submit it as feedback though! They probably aren’t reading this chat so

[sharp cliff]

We're allowed to have a beta discussion, don't we?

[timid bough]

can we not act like this is twitter

[dreamy yacht]

It's late in California, and the weekend, give them until Monday to explain themselves and then riot?

[edgy zinc]

They had the chance to say in the beta updates 💀💀

[unique fox]

I think it’s best to step back from the chat a little bit. No one is trying to argue with you.

[spark lance]

By the way: have cosmetics disappeared from skykids?

[tiny tinsel]

tgc: going ghost ✌️

[ionic bluff]

Submit feedback of course but talking here isn’t a bad thing either. Chaos is always gonna arise when bad decisions like this are made, just let it slide through and let everyone be heard.

[prime lintel]

It’s ok to have differing opinions than others, and always submit feedback to #beta-feedback, but the name of this channel is beta testing discussion, which means the current conversation is applicable for this channel

[gilded basin]

please 😔 the character limit here is 1000 without nitro, you guys can communicate in full thoughts

[final garden]

Then they should've held off on that update until after the weekend

[tropic radish]

@bold basin I'm gonna try to post the cosmetics and see if I get bonked

[slim kayak]

ok, we're getting a little aggressive here. if you find that you're getting angry at other users, maybe take a little breather? we want to keep this conversation civil

[deft belfry]

what i started to point out cuz i can study how people are behaviing swith settle hostile words, got pushed back saying that they wasnt and here we are

[raw wasp]

I mean when ppl literally put shush reactions on your messages it does feel like people want to push you out of the discussion yk

[lilac solstice]

My friend brought up a good point. "there will be vids made about it being removed" the issue with tbis is because of the non-transparency, this will cause even more rumors to spread, instead of just saying a simple "we don't want to collab"

[pale junco]

Devs will come back on Monday after this chat is burnt to ashes

[gilded parrot]

#beta-discussion definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[placid sky]

hey, agree to disagree right ? we're just here to talk about our thoughts, respectfully, on it whether people agree or don't

[edgy zinc]

Not if they wear them, i see some people still wears them

[sharp cliff]

Heyyy!!! You can expect a patch note.

[stark cloud]

Now please release skybot outfit in Sky

[spark lance]

The best message in the worst timing yet

[chrome ferry]

ok, this isnt aimed at you specifically, puppy. i just want to say something related.
everyone seems to jump towards the "oh be sure to put everything in feedback!" every single time we have any issue. while yeah, it is a good idea to give feedback in the proper channel, this is a discussion channel and spamming #beta-feedback starts to sound condescending after a while. just let us chat here too.

[spark lance]

It even looks like the little prince's situation, when most cosmetics were by IAP and not in the pass.

[wary star]

honestly i don't care if i'm wrong or not, this is about to start hurdling downhill.

it's best we maybe. stop?? plus i really don't want to get targeted by another chat in this server again

[prime lintel]

All opinions here are welcome, but asking people to just stick stuff in feedback and trying to shut down discussion is not ok

[bold basin]

I thought at first I said a word that was like filtered and then I tried again without texts and it still says explicit content

[dreamy yacht]

well they need time to come up with a reason, I guess doing it this way to let the community actually react before they just put out a blanket statement is quite nice

[jade idol]

⬆️ (sorry i forgot to turn off ping)

[gilded basin]

at least the patch notes are gonna be funny

[fervent patrol]

Also, reminder to remain civil and friendly when reacting to messages, I dont want a repeat of the TLP stuff where reactions had to be stopped in the chat cause of toxic reactions

[tiny tinsel]

this channel seems more fitting for an unorganized discussion like this anyways, where we’re all just kind of spitballing our thoughts on it, we wanna discuss with others either way

[final garden]

Then they could've said that

[sharp cliff]

We gonna fight in! Don't you worry/j

[tropic radish]

Check #beta-screenshots-videos
See how long it puts up

[edgy zinc]

Not now skybot

[alpine parrot]

But this is where we discuss matters like this? I’m confused

[narrow current]

Why not lurk. Or not share the opinion which you yourself arent sure of?

[ionic bluff]

It’s really far fetched to think it’s gonna stop. Just let the conversation continue, everyone has their reasons to be mad and it makes sense.

[dreamy yacht]

you tried

[terse hound]

i feel like you are reading into a reason that we as testers dont know is the truth or not. the stuff could easy come back when its ready for testing or we will see it in live. or we could see it never too if tgc decided to cancel the collab or the kizunaai people did. it always feels weird to me when people assume the worst when the reality is usually much less complicated or sinister.

[zenith mist]

there weren't even any arguments until ppl started saying we're overreacting and spamming and to just take it to feedback

[tardy hawk]

I don’t believe conversation is ending anytime soon. as this is a discussion chat, i feel as people should be free to discuss. if the conversation makes you feel icky, please step back for the sake of you. however, i feel as if it isn’t right to ask others to quiet down about a concerning issue.

[tiny tinsel]

you don’t have to sit and watch this channel discuss it if you don’t wanna either

[alpine parrot]

Periodt

[final garden]

It was ready for testing, hence why it was included in the update notes

[placid sky]

hey who knows maybe tgc is writing a beautifully crafted five paragraph essay thats gonna crash the whole server because of how good it is /j

[fervent patrol]

Yes this, as long as it remains civil. This includes reactions too, I dont want a repeat of TLP-

[lilac solstice]

If you don't want to be in the discussion, you don't have to. But it's not gonna stop people from expressing their opinions

[chrome ferry]

ok but thats not what we're mad about. personally idc if the items come back, i care that TGC is lying to their community (poorly, too).

[edgy zinc]

I kinda forgot the tlp incident 💀

[sharp cliff]

It was ready for testing to remove it in future.

[leaden oak]

What did Withrium said ? i didn't understand

[deft belfry]

I personally dont see a reason for everyone to be this upset, you guys wanted the AI to be removed? and they did that so whats up?

[ionic bluff]

Oh tlp was BAAAAAAD people were getting SO mad at me for telling people to calm down
luckily this isn’t nearly as bad

[peak token]

ayee auto delete message djkhasgjkg

everyone here is free to give opinion abt it, as long as still valid and no harms like threat or smth negative, we are safe

[dreamy yacht]

someone tell me what happened in TLP plis

[oak remnant]

People are upset due to HOW it is handled

[raw wasp]

Isn’t that exactly whats happening rn though bruh 😭😭😭

[spark lance]

TLP incident = 3 IAPs in TLP season with overall prices reaching up to 60$ or more iirc

[final garden]

This is an interesting theory

[gilded basin]

the problem is that tgc lied about the items being removed on accident when they were mentioned by name several times in the patch notes

[lilac solstice]

We aren't upset it was removed. We are upset with the lack of communication about its removal.

[placid sky]

did they end up changing that btw ? i can't remember
oh cool

[chrome ferry]

"whats up" is that its being excused as a "mistake" when it clearly wasnt that, and we want an explanation. its being handled exceptionally poorly

[alpine parrot]

People have to stop making excuses for tgc. I get you like the game but trust me they are not gonna see you defending them. It is ok to be upset about how they handled the situation.

[leaden oak]

They removed kizuna ai ?

[digital cargo]

it's even on google patch notes hhhh

[limpid crown]

Honestly, I'm not mad, upset or disappointed about the removal of that pack, nor happy at all. I'm just confused on what they mean by "Mistakenly added" even though they clearly stated it at #beta-known-issues and #beta-announcements. I really want an explanation, it doesn't matter if it's soon or late, just an explanation what they mean by "Mistakenly added"

[ionic bluff]

this isn’t nearly as bad as tlp was, at least for now

[sharp cliff]

Who said they wanted AI to be removed afaik everyone was hyped for it...

[fervent patrol]

TLP got soooo bad, ppl kept reacting with "" every time someone is saying to calm down, or whoever had differring opinions from them. It was #beta-discussion at its utter worst.

[edgy zinc]

Even if they did that, they would have said something else not "mistakenly"

[eager harness]

Yes!!

[tropic radish]

you can love the company and be dissapointed + criticize them

[slim kayak]

i've definitely seen worse conversations in my time in beta. if the conversation is making you feel frustrated, it is perfectly ok to take a step back and come back when you are ready.

i'm going to have to step back myself because i need to finish my hw. please remember to stay kind to each other, even if your opinions are different

[jade idol]

Again, it's about the way they communicated that removal to us, they said it was "mistakenly added" and pretended it never existed before, even after it being mentioned lots of times in #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues

[deft belfry]

im talking to the people who wanted it removed due to NFTs

[narrow current]

Actually there was a few, individuals who are very smug about it too

[terse hound]

the mistake could be that they were released without permission which could reflect negatively on the ip holder and they may not be allowed to "blame" the ip holder. collabs are weird. i remember some old articles about a spiderman game where sony was really crazy over tiny details and the game makers had to take the fall

[leaden oak]

wth, i was ready for kizuna cosmetics coming to live

[jovial sand]

really? whyyyy

[lilac solstice]

Honestly it's not even like, a bad discussion. We are being civil here. And I agree with everyone's opinions about this

[zenith mist]

tbf a bunch of people saying to calm down when everyone is just having a conversation comes across as pretty condescending

[final garden]

We criticize them because because we want to see them do better and we know they can do better

[signal folio]

Well I came here to complain that we cant bother Rudolph down in the depths

[spark lance]

There is literally no connection between nfts and this pack unless you are telling me kizuna won’t support nfts after packs are taken off

[sharp cliff]

Oh my bad, please continue. Have a great day ahead!

[fervent patrol]

[tropic radish]

we are upset because of lack of communication
We are okay with the pack getting removed

[gilded basin]

yeah it was super cool to finally get chinese server exclusive items even if they werent the exact same, but apparently they were a """mistake""" at least let us have a bow accessory, i dont even care if it doesn't look like kizuna's for copyright reasons

[tiny tinsel]

either way, it’s more about how tgc is handling the removal of the items and communicating it rather than giving an honest explanation

[wary star]

albeit this channel isn't a hellscape when arguing like AHEM AHEM genchat, the best way (again) to handle this is by putting it all in the feedback channel, they'll actually see it there.

and about how it's handled, maybe it's because legal issues. AGAIN, there is a lot of reasons why this could be happening, so it's just going to start arguments (or maybe it won't, but i'll let you and any others to say "it won't start arguments" again) because the right answer isn't here yet.

plus it's late for them, they're probably not working right now so they won't respond

[fickle sedge]

Greetings, testers.

In Sky-Beta v0.16.5 build 184005, we mistakenly added a bundle containing a specific hairstyle, bow, and cape, as well as bow spell to beta. These items and spells were not meant to be added. We have since removed the items and spells in question. Apologies for the confusion SkyBow

What happened

[bright forge]

I'm honestly just lurking in this conversation. If anyone needs to take a breather or break, please do so.

[ionic bluff]

same here. Tlp was 1000x worse than this, it’s relatively calm here compared to how it usually is with beta fights

[tardy hawk]

it’s unpopular, but it was my biggest gripe during the little prince situation. let people express their frustrations, letting things out tends to go better than forcing others to bottle up.

[lilac solstice]

The brand supports nfts. Look it up on Google. The pack is inspired by the brand.

[raw wasp]

Bruhh who reacted with the clown emoji😭😭 thats just mean

[jade idol]

Ok now this is getting to a point where you seem to be defending tgc at any cost, and i don't get why you're doing that.
We are not attacking tgc for you to defend them, we are discussing about the obvious bad way they announced it to us, and the way they did pretend it never existed and that it was mistakenly added

[leaden oak]

Maybe tgc didin't get the copyright for kizuna

[fickle sedge]

I can't understand

[fervent patrol]

Okay, who keeps reacting with clown reactions to this? Thats going a tad too far, even if you just disagree

[spark lance]

ay what happened

[peak token]

its arguments and opinion, what you expect? some quite and peaceful arguments? wake up comrade

there no such things as peaceful. everyone share what they have

[dreamy yacht]

TGC giveth and TGC taketh away, they're totally allowed to remove whatever they want and give us no reason, although I'd have loved them even more if they just announced a full beta reset heheheheee

Covering it up seems like a legal response though, so I really wouldn't be surprised if they never say anything about it

I really don't think its anything to do with Kizuna AI doing NFTs, its probably a licensing or copyright issue

[tropic radish]

High-key do wish that this is their explanation
Cause that'd be very cool of TGC to do so

[devout stag]

May I know will Kizuna Ai be released on 7th February?

[ionic bluff]

I don’t think tgc would be THAT stupid imo, I mean they gotta understand copyright laws

[spark lance]

So by taking off the pack does it affect the brand at all??? I only see it affecting players here

[final garden]

No, everything for Love is already in live

[leaden oak]

Tgc removed Kizuna Ai pack

[tiny tinsel]

to be honest, i think we were all having an intense but decently respectful discussion lol

[alpine parrot]

But why can’t we have a discussion and it hasn’t even escalated to arguments yet. This is the channel that we use to discuss matters. So I’m very confused hun?

[narrow current]

Ngl glow its very ironic you are afraid of being targeted on another channel as You yourself said but keep going. Give a rest. You and a few others are the common denominator here tbh

[gilded basin]

tgc removed the kizuna ai items from beta and said they were mistakenly added even though they were mentioned by name several times in the patch notes they were edited out of those too but some people still have screenshots of the original notes

[spark lance]

oh, dang i see

[spark lance]

Do you want us new beta testers to experience the exact same L.A reset from almost 3 years ago?

[dreamy yacht]

yes really @chrome ferry @kindred glen @tardy hawk

[lilac solstice]

Well I think the issue is that we don't want to support nfts. And no the players don't care it's gone. They are mad it was called a mistake

[wary star]

i'm not, I'm just stating i'm the usual target for stuff like this

[spark lance]

Great now I will be watching kizuna stop supporting nfts based on your words since packs are taken off now thanks to you guys

[raw wasp]

I don’t think you can call a chat civil if when people offer a point they get spammed to be quiet and get called a clown imo hhh. Idk it just doesn’t sit right

[jade idol]

beta
testing
discussion

[peak token]

its all chaos and healthy arguments till that one person ask to stay silent and thinking they were right

[fervent patrol]

Honestly, I dont think its that they didnt have the rights. I think its possible the contract got cancelled or suspended for reasons unknown. Though, I agree they couldve handled it better than saying "mistake". But since we're only left with this, we're gonna have to wait for some dev to come and explain further Im afraid

[tropic radish]

you may hold your opinions, but don't force others to bottle up
That's literally it
Whether you think it's okay for them to elaborate or not, then tell !
Make sure to not go after eachothers throats !

[oak remnant]

I am just going to read through the opinions I think my frustrations about how it was handled are already voiced by many

[lilac solstice]

We aren't gonna change the brand. If they want to support nfts, fine. But that isnt why people are upset. We are upset over the lack of transparency

[shadow stratus]

Mistakenly added, mistakenly spoken about on the patch notes, mistakenly fixed so everyone could buy, sounds right

[deft belfry]

agree

[dreamy yacht]

would totally be fine, it is a beta after all and TGC totally can do that

[eager harness]

I agreed with what person said, simple as that.

[chrome ferry]

thanks for the ping /s. while yes, TGC is allowed to do what they want with their game, we are also allowed to have opinions about said changes and discuss them. which is exactly what we're doing

[alpine parrot]

This is a healthy discussion. No one is attacking you. We just want to state our opinions in peace

[spark lance]

||Fix the rocket bug too||

[final garden]

It's because they're sleepworking

[raw wasp]

Like no it’s not a calm chat at all everyone’s super upset. And yes everyone is telling them to be quiet and go away 😭😭

[devout stag]

May I know do we still have chances to have Kizuna Ai in the future?

[narrow current]

Hello?

[zenith mist]

if you have a habit of telling people to stop "spamming" their opinions and take it to feedback ppl are gonna tend to get mad

[unique fox]

You are free to voice your opinions but so are others free to respond to you with their own,

[spark lance]

True. It sounds like the best way to end this madness

[wary star]

also we're not a spoiled community. they don't have to explain it to us, as it's not even our problem. they could've just.. not wanted it in the game, too.

[tropic radish]

idc if beta gets a hard reset, since That's already shown in the beta guidelines #^^)
Free speech does not mean free of consequences

[tardy hawk]

love the ping, you’re so so silly and so so yass for that /s. i expressed my disagreement without coming for you or your character.

[leaden oak]

The chances can be ↑ or ↓

[chrome ferry]

then they should have said that.

[signal folio]

No grumpy faces. Someone had to try to lighten the mood. The moment yall get kinda rude with the reacts is when stuff goes downhill
They've taken them away for like a week before

[spark lance]

hi, just kidding, just wanted to be kinda random

[prime void]

Asking for transparency and explanations = spoiled?

[dreamy yacht]

yeah but we're discussing without any actual information, just total speculation, and isn't that just.....pointless?

[tiny tinsel]

it’s just a weird situation for them to have gone through so much work with it in the beta and announcing it to acting like it never existed

[blazing blade]

I honestly hope that it's about not being in support of a brand that supports NFTs, but if so I wish they would have made a clear post about that and not simply say it was a mistake.

[narrow current]

You are once again makinge excuses for a development team who could've done a better job in the first place

[spark lance]

I’m pretty ppl have been upset with nfts since beginning and now you are trying to change the subject

[digital cargo]

(2)

[devout radish]

Is it okay to be here even if I'm not in beta? :< I just heard the news and wanted to know why

[alpine parrot]

They should not have said what they said😕

[shadow stratus]

I just wanted a reason instead of just "mistakenly added" , but i think we all know the reason

[tropic radish]

Imagine, you're getting a birthday gift, and the person that's going to give it to you suddenly doesn't have it, and doesn't elaborate at all. Then suddenly tells you that the birthday gift is a mistake

[ionic bluff]

you cant just act like something you put work into never existed, and expect people to NOT get mad

[carmine thorn]

The only way I would accept it being "mistakenly added" is if the whole development team, CMs, Artists, and possibly more teams didn't get the memo to not put the pack in the build mentioned in #beta-announcements until recently, since development has fixed a few bugs with the said cosmetics meaning it wasn't accidental unless their internal communication had an issue.

[leaden oak]

I really liked the bow, it's unfortunate they removed it.

[fickle sedge]

Can you log in to the test suit now?

[slim kayak]

ok i was doing my hw but just a gentle reminder.
please don't try to silence people with rude emotes. everyone is allowed to voice their opinion here, even if you don't agree. we've had emotes taken away in beta chat before because of that. i really don't want a repeat of that.

[lilac solstice]

I'm not changing the subject, sweetie. I'm explaining why we are upset. If you are upset about it being removed, I'm sorry. It's okay to be upset about that too. But us getting rid of the pack isn't going to affect the brand

[prime lintel]

Even worse, they sent you detailed descriptions, set up a party for it, showed you progress pictures, then suddenly claim it was all an accident and immediately try to edit/delete the previous messages about it to support that claim

[devout stag]

So it is already confirmed that Kizuna Ai wouldn't be released during days of love? No chances at all?

[gilded basin]

OH RIGHT I FORGOT THEY GOT RID OF THAT TOO not related to kizuna ai but like,,, that's a popular glitch that got removed because it's too easy to execute? coming from the dev team that actively encourages clipping out of bounds? i can understand the removal of spirit lifting since it could be disruptive for other players but the only way to troll someone with piggyback shenanigans is to already be friends with someone or be rich/lucky enough to have a pin that lets you piggyback with anyone

[terse hound]

maybe that was the literal mistake. it wasnt ready by someones standards be it tgc or kizuna

[chrome ferry]

we actually do have information! apparently the pack was removed because it was implemented by accident, but considering its shown up in patch notes and known issues, it was clearly meant to be there. we're discussing TGC's bad communication more than anything

[final garden]

Then they should have said that

[leaden oak]

Modeling, programing the cosmetics, adding texture, adding it to the game was an accident ?

[jade idol]

If they didn't wanted it into the game, then they could just have said... "We don't want it into the game!!!"

[tropic radish]

Man, imagine being the person who had to model out the pack rn

Man, if that were to happen irl I'd rather just have a pity party for myself 😭 😭

[shadow stratus]

These already existed on the other sky version
Still, wasnt a mistake

[wary star]

again, it could be for a private reason. also again, they don't have to explain it. this debate would make sense if they, for example, removed bloom. that's obviously important, and would need atleast one sentence of explanation.

the kizuna ai pack? it's literally just 3 iap cosmetics that belong to some anime vtuber on twitch that supports nfts. it's not even important. "but they should explain!!!" no? they don't need to, because it's not important.

[leaden oak]

But the hair tho, that didin't exist in cn version

[tardy hawk]

I bet those highlights and that fringe was a pain to model and animate... they better pay the team extra for putting away their work

[gilded basin]

honestly yeah press f for that one dev

[viscid sundial]

The Kizuna AI pack was never going to be released on Days of Love, and it's been removed as of now (which is what we're discussing), and we don't know if it will come back

[undone kiln]

oh god where is kizuna no way!!

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! Please make sure to search it yourself before asking, and together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience

[jade idol]

[prime void]

I’m personally really upset about the piggyback glitch being removed

[zenith mist]

once again this is not about the cosmetics

[rancid sleet]

the kizuna ai pack was removed from beta. we don’t know much else besides that. if you want to check out what days of love will offer, go to this post: #news message

[lilac solstice]

You know, as someone who's a developer for an upcoming game, this is just teaching me how good it is to be transparent with your player base

[narrow current]

You once again don't get it

[signal folio]

Thing is, they mightve wanted it in game but things behind the scenes fell through. Maybe they thought they had permission and made it? A mix up could be an accident. I think they should've elaborated more but we don't know a lot rn.

[devout stag]

Okay... Thanks a lot for the confirmation...

[broken fractal]

Wait, what happened here? I just log off from beta from a beta update ping?

[spark lance]

“Us getting rid of the pack isn’t going to affect the brand” only ppl who are affected are the ones who can get them in games

[peak token]

no more kzuna ai pack. we go to sleep

[tropic radish]

Upset because lack of communication on why it's removed
NOT upset because the pack is removed

[copper bison]

all of it is different from cn server kizuna ai. as i have said before, cn only had hair (bow was attatched to hair) and cape, and it was a different hair to match kizuna ai cn's hair and the cape was different (didn't have the hearts and inside was more red iirc) while beta was more like kizuna ai jp with the long hair, bow was seperate, and cape was slightly different.

[tiny tinsel]

at the end of the day they are a company and have their own agenda and who knows if we’ll even get a more detailed explanation, but there’s no harm in us discussing this or speculating. it’s only natural we’d be suspicious considering the situation.

[sharp cliff]

Ahh I'm back from doing dishes, yet somewhere few are still not understanding the point of us being disappointed. We're not happy with communication skills of tgc, that's it. We all love tgc but even if you love someone you can't ignore something bad in them. If you want proof over tgc's communication, be my guest and check previous notes, heart timer was intentionally but none were informed, talking about recent; bloom cape was rised to 95 candles, without any explanation and then fixed by to 70 because we were bugging over it here, imagine if none was talking over it, it would've gone with same price to live. We all want best experience of game for us and others, and I believe so does tgc.

[leaden oak]

Wait, the devs who model stuff aren't aware about adding kizuna to beta was an accident ?

[lilac solstice]

I'm sorry, I'm confused. No one is affected by it being removed in game. The brand is unchanged. We are unchanged as well.

[gilded basin]

you. youre the best kind of dev

[pale junco]

Ok? Yes we don't know what the truth is because tgc doesn't know how to communicate- so people are talking about what's clearly visible on this end. Again if it was a contract thing where they aren't allowed to say why it was removed they could've said million other things than saying it was a mistake and trying to act like they never wanted to sell the pack.
Tgc isn't dumb the dev that said it was a mistake is hired by tgc for communication with the community.

[final garden]

Don't forget how they pretended that they compensated both Switch and Android players those two times

[prime lintel]

Actually they don’t have to explain! That’s the whole point of this discussion. They could have said “we’re removing the items” and not elaborated further. What they are doing instead is pretending that items they specifically announced were arriving and did patch updates for were added “accidentally,” which is what some people might call “misleading information” or even “lying.” The dishonesty is what people are annoyed with, not the removal of the cosmetics, and honestly not even the lack of further communication.

[true jetty]

I just need a reason

[tardy hawk]

“oops! i accidentally fully modeled and animated three whole cosmetics, oopsie!” —TGC, apparently

[spark lance]

@lilac solstice

[leaden oak]

You probably have cn version

[peak token]

i'd say gotta stay positive,

maybe they remove bc smth butttt abt the "accident"..... idk yall go ahead

[fervent patrol]

You said it couldve been for reasons unknown, but they literally couldve explained it as that. "We're removing this packs for reasons that can't be stated", thats it.

Thats why people are upset. It was specifically worded to be a "mistake"

[shadow stratus]

"Removed by popular demand" would be enough lol

[dreamy yacht]

it was never released in game though

[raw wasp]

Ok I’m dropping out this isn’t the worst chat ive ever seen but god it feels so… icky in a way… just please don’t make fun of each other it really doesn’t help the discussion at hand and it just isn’t cool to do

[tropic radish]

If you truly love someone, you'd embrace their flaws and try to help them fix it

No. Not like a detailed elaboration. We don't owe them that
We are absolutely concerned that it's deemed as a mistake, rather than a normal removal

[wary star]

i'm sorry but. this isn't "being suspicious" it's another episode of chat targeting me because i have an unpopular opinion.

i've gaven so many good reasons to why i disagree and all of them were ignored.

[lilac solstice]

I think you are missing our point. We don't care why they removed it, Zen. We just want them to be transparent

[true jetty]

Nah I’m not China people 😭

[chrome ferry]

ok, fine. lets say that, for the sake of argument, i agreed that they didnt have an obligation to explain to the people volunteering to test their game for them why certains things change. that doesnt excuse the fact that what just happened wasnt only not explaining, it was outright LYING. that's what im annoyed with

[narrow current]

Na man ngl i was trying to be civil but you must be an npc

[devout stag]

Thanks a lot..

[languid bear]

What if they had said, "We have a business problem, not just an accident.
We can't tell you more because it's a business secret."?

[spark lance]

And your reason for tgc to remove it is not even legit, you are saying by taking off kizuna pack it can help with environment

[peak token]

comrade.... your opinion is just to make us silent right? 😭
***that wouldnt do because it #beta-discussion ***

[gilded basin]

that's what kills me, they did but they did it wrong i got compensation during the android crashes even though the server probably has records of me logging on with my switch and i didnt apply for it,,, like cmon was there not at least a bot checking my login hours for those days to make sure i wasnt a switch or ios player trying to make a quick 30 candles?

[zenith mist]

i dont mean this in a rude way but i dont think this is really adding anything to the discussion and acting like all of the channel is ganging up on you is not helping

[lilac solstice]

I never said that. I said it is a possibility for an explanation. It was just a thought.

[astral gulch]

If the kizuna ai was a mistake, then why they put it on the first place?

[leaden oak]

Maybe tgc will release something else ? or maybe they will add kizuna back

[tardy hawk]

not saying any names, but the devs aren’t going to give you candles or recognition for defending them. people have a right to be upset... no need to lick boots for any company.

[tropic radish]

Oh, and the obvious lie they just pulled
Very concerning as well :)
They don't owe an explanation with the removal
But they do owe the explanation for lying

[terse hound]

they probably cant because it implies things

[spark lance]

Now you are trying to reword it

[alpine parrot]

I don’t think anyone is ganging up on anyone. We all are having a civil discussion.

[lilac solstice]

I'm not. I'm stating what I said. I said it as a possible reason on why it was removed.

[leaden oak]

*Suddenly doom music playes in beta chat

[tiny tinsel]

you have every right to disagree with some of the stuff being said, but people are also allowed to discuss and voice their complaints. someone disagreeing with your opinions isn’t targeting you, we’re all trying to have a discussion and telling people not to doesn’t really get us anywhere

[final garden]

They should've said something other than what they did. Or said nothing at all beyond, "We're removing them." It doesn't matter. They handled it wrong. End of story

[limpid crown]

I'll be relief if tgc would tell me (or us) the reason why they removed it, for me, a sentence like "It's because of Copyright" or "It's because we don't have permission" is enough for me, as long they say what's the reason

[slim kayak]

oh boy, i would really like to explain this but it would deviate from beta and sky topics. i would be happy to explain in a dm if that's ok with you? its genuinely an interesting (and somewhat important now) topic for me

[nimble lava]

It's not thr first time TGC says those kind of lies, they did the same thing when they took Amnesty out of the Days of Rainbow charity event

[grand sandal]

Sky. Light encounters testing Kizuna's clothing, why did it disappear after the update version?

[wary star]

maybe they screwed up and wanted to fix it before they told us? maybe they didn't want it in the game. maybe they are in a legal fight right now.

i'm sorry but being angry about it and screaming at the one person who's trying to be calm about it isn't the way to go.

[gilded basin]

yes you get it!!!! i wouldntve cared as much if they just said "the kizuna ai items have been removed" or even just "the pack containing a hairstyle, cape and bow have been removed" if the ip holders didnt want them to say her name, but they had to go and lie about it

[floral gale]

Sadly most companies are never like that once they reach a higher rank on the industry

[leaden oak]

It would have been so worse if sky had fanbase like genshin and they hear beta news

[prime lintel]

Honestly I wouldn’t even care if they said “we’re removing it because we wanted to”. That’s their decision. It’s their game.

The lack of honesty and transparency is the issue

[final garden]

You're not trying to be calm; you're making yourself a victim

[narrow current]

Plus if being the common denominator of the conversation is making you feel like a target maybe You should disengage if its affecting you that much anyway thats just Me, GLOW.

[lilac solstice]

Hmm well imma make sure our small Dev team never reaches that mindset.

[alpine parrot]

But no one is screaming? I’m so confused. We’re literally just speaking about it?

[bold basin]

||EA ||

[tropic radish]

About this. I asked them
And all they said was in the lines of "(excess text)"
I responded with "so you guys can't say it. I see" and they basically said "yes. Ty for understanding". Never felt so dumbfounded

[copper bison]

yeah. i don't care too much about kizuna items going away. they were cute and all, and i really liked them, but that's not my point.
i'm upset with the communication. i'm upset that they claimed adding it to be a "mistake" when i know, and you guys know, it wasn't. there were patch/update notes that literally showed it wasn't a mistake, and now it's covered up and the posts are edited. it's not the first time they've done something similar to this. i don't understand why they can't just be transparent and own up to their mistakes.

[tardy hawk]

who’s screaming though? we’re talking with tact, maturity and respect. please— don’t try and guilt the people here, or paint yourself as a victim. you are digging your own grave

[wise phoenix]

Is the linkage with tripping love cancelled

[zenith mist]

we're just having a conversation and youre turning it into a personal attack?

[gilded basin]

a sense of pride and accomplishment indeed

[prime lintel]

:mothfallen: spam everywhere

Or even one of these lovely emojis

[ionic bluff]

If you think the chats attacking you then I think you should step out for a bit

[late mountain]

As a reminder to everyone, discussion is fine but directly attacking other members or taking a disrespectful tone is not. If you feel yourself getting heated I'd encourage taking a step back.

[narrow current]

Again this would be You making excuses for them either way, You are literally defending a whole development team who could've done this better....

[terse hound]

i think your definition of mistake is intentionally narrow to make things worse on purpose. whats that one quote? "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

[tired glade]

Kizuna Ai pack is removed

[peak token]

glow i suggest to read the whole discussion before taking action

[leaden oak]

It's okay to be mad and angry about current state

*But don't sent email with sensitive words or direct dm the devs. I heard it happened before

[sharp cliff]

We all are using simple size and not bolds, if we were using bold letters that would've meant we're screaming. Talking in context of text indicator.

[ivory fox]

If they were in a legal battle isnt it a really bad idea to lie about why youre removing cosmetics? I have do doubts that theyre allowed to mention the battle at least and arent forced to lie to us.

[tardy hawk]

first mod sighting all evening,,,

[prime void]

[People are disagreeing with you] doesnt’ mean [people are attacking you]

[spark lance]

Yes and you agree on this possibility and you probably wrote it in the feedback

[zenith mist]

i think if people having a discussion criticizing tgc makes you feel like they're attacking you, i mean this in the nicest way possible, you should probably step away from discord

[floral root]

no why

[proud coral]

Harbin is brave

[north halo]

question:
Kizuna Ai bundle was not meant to be avail yet or not meant to be exist at all?

[nimble lava]

I'm not sure I get what you mean? :0 as in they couldn't say the name or the reason why they took the org out?

[alpine parrot]

It’s very disappointing that people are trying to excuse this.

[lilac solstice]

Nope I didn't actually. I never wrote to them to stop supporting the brand. Because I didn't care what tgc did with it

[signal folio]

I dont think we really need a reason though beyond "we removed it." I get being curious, but sometimes telling testers just complicates things and fuels fire. I don't think they should've tried to back pedal because again, that just complicates stuff

[viscid sundial]

I'm sorry, but you're missing the point. This isn't what the discussion is about at all

[fervent patrol]

No one... is screaming? We're just talking about it....

[fervent jacinth]

We are still waiting answer

[hard temple]

I'm not in beta so I'll try not to drown out your voices, but I like to look here so I can see what to be excited about. I think it would be good to at least say "This is a private matter, and we cannot continue with this project" or even "These items are being removed" It's honestly not even about the cosmetics! It seems to be that TGC said that it was a mistake, when it seemed to be intentional for a very long time and confused players. I'm sure everyone here would accept their communication much better (even if they are sad over the cosmetics leaving). Things in beta are subject to change! That's the price of playing in beta! It just seems that there's some frustration with feeling like players are being left in the dust with no explanation. Forgive my intrustion, I can delete if necessary!

[hybrid wedge]

I’m going to ask that folks in this chat not aggressively engage with each other. This channel is a place for people to post regardless of their opinions, but it must be kept respectful. You can make your point without attacking someone else to do so.

[gilded basin]

we don't know, that's the problem
i personally think they were since the hair is a totally new model and not a port of the one from the chinese server but we'll never know for sure unless tgc fesses up

[narrow current]

We do not know because of tgc lack of communication with their "update" 😃

[tropic latch]

That’s what we prefer, though. No additional reason needed beyond that. We’d rather have a “We removed it” versus “It was a mistake, sorry y’all’s ✌🏻”

[spark lance]

let fight for kizuna ai pack we need it in global

[undone kiln]

i dont understand why kizuna gone is kizuna ai don't come back never?

[zenith mist]

and we're screaming??

[tropic radish]

When they're not allowed to mention it, that's one thing, right ?. That's could be some sort of agreement they had to do.
However, the LIE that was put in is what raises concerns
They say ( it's a mistake), rather than ( it's removed ). Like how some items that don't reach live (ex : the old cracked mask)
Meanwhile they have FLESHED OUT the pack various times in many updates. Obviously it's not a mistake :(

[tiny tinsel]

it’s not even really about the cosmetics though

[viscid sundial]

This was never about the cosmetics

[ionic bluff]

It’s not about the cosmetics, it’s about the communication. THATS why people are mad
You’ve been missing everyone’s points and taking it as an attack, calm down

[rain mantle]

the hair was pretty cool though

[hybrid wedge]

@chrome ferry, @wary star, and others who I cannot backtrack quickly enough to ping—please leave the direct back and forth behind.

[tropic latch]

Please, please take a break. I hope you are okay /serious

[spark lance]

tbh if they sell kizuna ai pack, they will get a lot of money from it, but well look like they dont need it

[prime lintel]

Thinking this discussion is about the cosmetic removal is barely even scratching the surface of what people are talking about. We’re talking about how TGC is handling what is essentially a public relations (PR)/communication issue.

[lilac solstice]

Thank you Nagati. Someone kept doing direct back and forth and it was getting on my nerves

[peak token]

we better get more reasonal sorry than just "oh sorry it was accidentally added"
also i think youre the one who scream tho 🤔

ayee the mssg deleted woop

[spark lance]

It’s highly likely because some ppl think kizuna support nfts and they wrote it in the feedback they think by taking it off can help with environment and then they threaten to quit with it

[pale junco]

I- ok
People saying tgc cannot say anything due to the contract and others shouldn't say anything about it are also making a assumption. Others opinions are as valid as your own.

[sharp cliff]

The point is not we need it or not, am sure they will bring something else which will be good. Tgc always have. But even if they removed it, at least give us an explanation on why. We want to understand, so that next time we can keep our hopes to the limit. People were hyped for nothing, at last now

[alpine parrot]

It’s not about the cosmetics. It is the communication that we have an issue with. That is the problem.

[tropic radish]

Yes, we don't care about the cosmetics #^^)
Yes, we are concerned because of the lie

Idc if the cosmetic gets deleted.
The lie
The lie ;-;

[dreamy yacht]

well if it is a legal battle, and they're losing, covering it up instead of acknowledging it and potentially having to pay them for even trying to release it in beta, because people would quite obviously, make content about it, is probably a better business decision than just paying out whoever is suing TGC
although an acknowledgement that there is something bigger than Sky Beta going on, and a statement that they can't really get into the details about this would have been nice, although totally fine if it doesn't happen

[narrow current]

Reminder that if discord is making you feel negative emotions you should take a breather

[fervent patrol]

Ummm.... We're not overreacting? We're literally just calmly talking about it.... Theres a difference about being upset and just calmly discussing it and just screaming, crying and yelling about it. And the latter isnt what we're doing rn...

And Ive seen faarrrr worse than this. I feel like what you're saying might actually start something rather than calming ppl down

[undone kiln]

oh my god

[flat tree]

why did they remove the kizuna ai package

[leaden oak]

boom fixed it

Greetings, testers.

In Sky-Beta v0.16.5 build 184005, we removed a bundle Kizuna-AI. These items and spells were removed due to high demand. Apologies for the confusion

[final garden]

Bleh, I probably shouldn't have stepped into this conversation while I was already mad about other things. Sorry if I've been rude to any of you

[spark lance]

was hoping for kizuna ai pack come to global since china server it, but look they dont even give us the second dream hat that chinese server have it after the drama

[tropic radish]

We all make mistakes in the heat of passion

[gilded basin]

alright dude i could not care less about the cosmetics, i'm mad because tgc lied about the reasons for why they removed it, like if it were a mistake then why did we get a new model for the hair? why did the bow's placement get updated? why did we get a whole npc in the office? clearly the items weren't a mistake tgc shouldve just kept it at "these items have been removed, sorry for the inconvenience" instead of blatantly lying to us

[floral root]

😭It's a test, but there's no need to take it off

[narrow current]

So simple yet we could not even get that.

[glass sand]

Has the Kizuna AI linkage been cancelled?

[hybrid wedge]

It’s perfectly fine to take a step back and post later when it’s easier to phrase words without anger. Beta chat’s still gonna be here, I promise.

[nimble lava]

Oh yeye I see!

I really disliked how they basically said "oh these are the org we're doing the event with!" and when ppl asked where Amnesty was they just made an apology letter going "next time we'll disclose the name of the org sooner, sorry"

Which wasn't the issue- they fisclosed it sooner, then took it out, changed it, and disregarded questions

[undone kiln]

Thank you for letting me know

[flat tree]

Pueden regresar el paquete lo necesito 😔 es injusto que lo quiten

[ionic bluff]

tgcs bad communication skills has to be a literal social experiment at this point istg 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[spark lance]

And now the people put them in the feedback is trying to change the topic saying it’s because legal and contract issues

[livid ridge]

Beta is surely on fire today

[dreamy yacht]

honestly, I would love those cosmetics back as something else because that cape and hair is just so good

[fervent vortex]

well this sucks

[tiny tinsel]

even if it was for a legal reason or something in that realm, it doesn’t mean they have to go into detail. a brief explanation would suffice instead of shady wording

[devout stirrup]

Did they actually removed the kizuna ai package 💀

[copper shore]

the did

[kindred glen]

why did I get pinged

[prime lintel]

Beta cosmetics are easy come, easy go. It’s a game. They’re just pixels on a screen. Sometimes we throw real life money at them, sometimes we spend time getting them, sometimes people throw money at them for us. It is what it is.

But when a company is being completely dishonest about their decisions up to the point of editing and deleting previous messages about an addition to the game, that’s where the issue is. I don’t care what the reason TGC has for removing the pack. I care that they’re lying to us. again

[fervent patrol]

They're.... They're trying...

[sharp cliff]

Because that was NetEase decision, as tgc and NetEase are different companies, what other do is not always meant for other to follow. They have different gaming society to please

[leaden oak]

“Hi guys, today we are gonna boil beta testers with our message ! today our sponser is ****”

[limpid crown]

Again, I do not have any negative nor positive feedback about the removal of the Kizuna AI pack. What I want is an explanation to what they mean by "Mistakenly added", even if it's just a 1 sentence explanation, it's already okay for me.

[rich nova]

Couldnt they just make items similar to them or replacement if people are mad about the cosmetics?

[glass sand]

I am so sad

[viscid sundial]

People aren't mad about the cosmetics

[ionic bluff]

HELP💀

[bright forge]

To be honest,

For sure, this matter will only stay in beta. TGC is obviously a professional company.

There were probably reasons as to why TGC does not want to explain the removal of the pack however as for this time. The wording and what they did for sure is unprofessional. However as a company, they cannot always explain certain things.

The least they can do is try to make themselves professional and explain that they removed it for confidential reasons.

As of right now, it's late for them as well as for myself. I don't know when they will be up. If they don't explain themselves professionally then that's on them.

We do have a right to be upset at them as beta testers. Mostly for not being transparent.

This is from what I understand. I apologize if there are some things that I don't get.

[tropic radish]

Man. It sucked NGL
At the VERY least they have made a promise to be more transparent
So that if they make the same mistake, they will have to disclose it
Or we can hold them accountable for lying once more of they dont
The feeling of dumbfoundness still lingers somewhere in the back of my head ;-;

[narrow current]

Not abt the cosmetics ^^^

[spark lance]

the better hat was in our beta file tbh it only tgc dont want we have it, chinese server only have few thing that we didnt have but not the hat

[fervent vortex]

how do u mistakenly add smth and not notice /gen

[alpine parrot]

We are not mad about the cosmetics we are mad about the lie

[gilded basin]

god,,, like let's say it is legal issues, then that means kizuna ai's ip holders are mad sus since that means they probably told tgc that they had to say that it was an accident this whole situation sucks

[leaden oak]

🫂 heres a barry for you 🫐

[devout stirrup]

Bruh Chinese server always have everything

[buoyant wasp]

I'm just lurking but still, just wanted to say here I'm glad you guys brought up this topic first of all, communication is really important and I really want to see TGC being better with this.

[grand sandal]

[lilac solstice]

Alright everyone, I think I've said my opinions. I'm basically repeating myself. I'm gonna take a break. Have a good day all!

[limpid crown]

Even if they say "It's a private reason", I'm already okay with it

[tardy hawk]

oops! put a whole pack in game and edited it! silly me 🤣

[signal folio]

Question though... what is Kiz AI?

[tropic radish]

Looking at the issue surrounding it...
I'd believe it :(

[prime lintel]

Nope, you hit the nail on the head. It’s ok that TGC can’t explain why they removed it at this point. What’s not ok is them claiming the addition of the items in the first place was an accident when it very clearly was not as they had several announcements and a patch or two for the items.

[fervent patrol]

Ppl arent mad about the comsetics. They're just upset with how TGC explained its removal. Saying it was a "mistake" when it was clearly not as it was literally stated to be added in previous patch notes, then suddenly edited out and saying it was a mistake.

In other words, ppl feel like TGC just lied to them

[peak token]

i dont think ppl mad the kizuna pack is removed
its just the way they say they "mistakenly" add the pack and say it was accidental 🤔

[narrow current]

And there is screenshots with patch notes noting those same cosmetics as well 🤓 no denying their existence

[spark lance]

thats how tgc treat their global server

[spark lance]

But. You don’t how many people arguing how “kizuna packs impact environment” at the day it came out. And you see all of them trying to change the topic

[ionic bluff]

Oopsie whoopsie! I accidentally added an entire pack of items with its own spirit, gave several patch updates to it and entire note explaining its presence! Time to act like it never happened! 😳

[nimble lava]

Ify , I was really annoyed by these turn of events... And the fact that they chose dishonesty again is worrying ;-;

[gilded basin]

kizuna ai is a vtuber

[fervent vortex]

oops accidentally added a ts lemme just poofs

[viscid sundial]

It isn't about Kizuna and NFTs anymore

[rich nova]

Ahh i see, btw is there a way to get into beta or will they open it up soon for new people to join beta?

[devout stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma_kiryu_slams_a_desk_and_leaves-gif-19004286

[prime void]

Netease is more generous in handing out exclusive items and free candles & spells…

[fervent patrol]

CN is literally handled by a different company though?

[final garden]

I'm tellin' ya, they've been sleepworking

[tardy hawk]

it stoped being about kizuna a while ago— i’m tired of being lied to.

[misty bone]

if it was internal communication error again, i do hope there is better communication rather than left hand to slap your right hand etc

[oak remnant]

Read through #beta-faq

[prime lintel]

Since I never talked about kizuna and nfts in the past, can I keep giving my explanation for why I’m here actively discussing this issue?

[astral gulch]

I’m disappointed that TGC is still having poor communication, I thought they learned about that but no

[tropic radish]

It's about the lie
Not the cosmetic, not kizuna AI
The Lie
And isn't CN server always at the edge of the spear/gen

[glass sand]

I hope this revocation is only temporary.

[leaden oak]

Opps ! i accidentally spent hours texturing, programing, adding it to the game engine, adding physics property, adding shading proprites, did many dev testing.

[viscid sundial]

Read #beta-faq, it has the answer to your question

[alpine parrot]

Let’s be honest the cosmetics were cute but why would we be this upset about a white cape with hearts, a bow, and a hairstyle? Like huh?

[ivory fox]

Yes, companies should always be pressured to be at least a little transparent and truthful about issues that affect the playerbase, not allowed to make up a random reason and run with it

[spark lance]

well yes, but look at the hat from dream season that they got, even it was our beta data for a long time

[floral gale]

I wonder what is happening to TGC honestly, they are not only having problems with transparency and communication but also quality drop immensely (quantity over quality). The bugs are getting enormous, cosmetics lack originality, merchandise pins sometimes doesn’t even work in game properly or they even take almost one year to deliver it to you

[narrow current]

The fact that we have to speak up about this and that we have been lied to before speaks volumes about this all. That's just My 10 cents though

[devout stirrup]

Global server be like 🤡

[gilded basin]

i was also worried about the nfts???? i think at some point i mentioned i wouldnt get the items until i got info on the terms of the collab, but this isn't about the nfts, it's about the lies

[tropic radish]

Idc about the cosmetics. I can even cosplay a bootleg AI in live www
we're sad that we've been lied to :(

[languid bear]

If it continues like this operation, users will turn their backs on it.

[leaden oak]

I'm pretty sure tgc is upset and hope they don't do anything to take revenge on us.

[fervent vortex]

i feel so horrible for the beta testers

[spark lance]

our server are the joke to other server sad life

[autumn sundial]

me reading all of this not even knowing what an nft is

[fervent patrol]

Okay friendly reminder to remain civil and friendly when voicing opinions.... This includes reactions too ok? If this topic is becoming too upsetting for you, its alright to take a leave

[alpine parrot]

LOLLL I had to have someone explain it to me

[dreamy yacht]

yeah they would never do that I don't think, they did choose to just remove that pack and not fully reset the beta, so it gives me some hope at least

[leaden oak]

Honestly I'm not even angry about cosmetics removal. I just woke up and just checked the beta chat 😂

[hybrid wedge]

@spark lance @viscid sundial leave the personal comments out, please

[mental kayak]

very very stupid bitcoin thing that negatively impacts environment pretty much (also they always look bad)

[tropic radish]

Before I go, let's take a moment to give an F to whoever was modelling the pack, only for it to get dumped midway
Don't forget to stay hydrated. It helps your form you paragraphs and opinions as well + focus ^^)

[spark lance]

you can try to look on youtube, a lot people talked about it plus no one want their game company doing it

[signal folio]

My first thought was the pandemic. They also have a small-ish team and an expanding player base.

I did find it odd though that the tiger mask went to live with really bad error. One of the teeth reacts to movement instead of remaining solid

[fervent vortex]

yeah i feel so bad for whoever designed it, all the hard work only for it to be “accidentally” thrown away :/

[gilded basin]

from what i understand, it's a certificate of ownership of a link to an image, but making the certificate takes up a lot of energy and it's really easy to just steal the image so it's much more practical and ethical to just buy artwork normally

[prime void]

We don’t know if Netease itself is homophobic though! Just that the Chinese govt wouldn’t be happy with lgbtq+ stuff. But true Netease has its own problems too

[leaden oak]

Nft uses whole ton of mathematical and computer energy so much that it affects factories that provides electricity.

[prime lintel]

I’ve been a player in live since October 2019 and was following the game since before launch. I was in love with Journey and TGC’s previous works, which is what brought me to Sky in the first place because I saw TGC was making it. I’ve been a beta tester since Sanctuary testing started (I think March 2020 or so, so almost 2 years now). I love Sky, I love the community, and I love being able to test and give feedback. I’m just so disappointed that TGC has been misleading beta testers rather than being honest, or even giving a professional answer of “we’re not at liberty to disclose any either details”.

[grave berry]

Is it true that sky developers said they added the Kizuna Ai set by mistake?
I don't think it was a mistake and I wanted them to tell me the truth instead of lying to me.
I miss not being able to wear the Kizuna Ai set

[spice mason]

Not bitcoin, Ethereum. A cryptocurrency that's.. just about as bad. Infact probably even worse with how many people are using it.

[tiny tinsel]

we could continue opening up all these cans of worms for days i’m sure

[sharp cliff]

If I look back, we were going well on polite and friendly, but some got heated up! Anyway, stay healthy and safe. We gonna meet soon, in game

[nimble lava]

In one of their other game Identity V they have a pretty much canon gay couple so I'll bet on China's laws

[peak token]

personal opinion

i dont think it would be thrown away like that
maybe only remove from beta?? i mean nahhh i hope they only remove it from beta because modelling its hard and took so much focus or such

[spark lance]

Ok before I head off thanks and congratulations to whoever hoped kizuna packs can be taken off

[tardy hawk]

man i miss the TGC that made journey they wouldn’t lie to us, right?

[kind hawk]

That's why some country ban crypto coins👍

[fervent vortex]

fair enough, i just dont get how something was accidentally added without realizing it for a long time

[mental kayak]

ethereum? bitcoin? more like money laundering

[tropic radish]

The company....They may be limited
But that doesn't mean they're not brave enough, soo
Also we might get bonked for talking about the other server. Please be careful 😭

[autumn sundial]

Thanks everyone who explained it nicely to me 🥰

[leaden oak]

I was a middle schooler when tgc released jounrey 🧍🏻

[slim kayak]

as interesting as nft talks is, unfortunately its not a beta topic (although somewhat relevant to the situation.)

[hybrid wedge]

As a general reminder, a “mistake” is not the same thing as an “accident.”

[devout stirrup]

Chinese server have everything the global server have and everything we don’t have…

Maybe i should start learning Chinese

[terse hound]

idk i think you and some of the others are being awfully pedantic about word choice. if tgc was really trying to pretend the whole thing never happened and truly "gaslight" testers like many of you are accusing they wouldnt have posted in the updates channel at all

[hybrid wedge]

Noting this because we are trying to keep the chat on topic

[peak token]

i was a toddler when they make journey oh ym god

[karmic plover]

Woah there, folks. Let's dial it back a bit. What I wrote is what happened. The items were mistakenly added to the last major beta update, and we've since removed them. That's the whole story.

[signal folio]

Yall I would go fight sky to get the pack back if we promise not to talk about crypto ever again (||/hj ||)

[gilded basin]

i doubt they actually accidentally added it since the positioning of the bow got tweaked in one patch 😔

[narrow current]

But they appeared on update patches and notes before being edited out?

[dreamy yacht]

but.......how even?

[nimble lava]

Brave enough? :0 you mean brave enough to be pro LGBT n all?
Sadly I think China's laws are just too strict for that :o( They could chose to wipe out your game or force you to take out those kind of content from it :o/

[toxic monolith]

i’ve heard some people say smth abt a collab when those items were added. of course i know nothing really, i just heard stuff. mistake in all i don’t rlly mind the removal, im broke anyway #

[stark cloud]

So, when skybot will get it own outfit in Sky

[prime lintel]

With all due respect, how do you mistakenly add items and then patch said mistakenly added items without catching said mistake?

[unique fox]

But those things were modelled, added in and even written in patches and notes?

[limpid crown]

What does "Mistakenly added" mean if they we're mentioned in the patch notes and known issues?

[ionic bluff]

I’m just confused on how they got bug fixes and slight changes in beta like a normal item. They were treated like an actual pack being prepared and had its own patch note explaining why, how was this a mistake?

[jade idol]

And removed from the patch notes like if it never existed

[karmic plover]

We removed the update section from the patch notes because the items were no longer in the update. I'm not sure I understand the implied conspiracy.

[wary star]

just gonna tap into chat from lurking to say that the whole incident is probably just "oops, we don't want this in here yet", "uh oh that was a mistake because kizuna ai is [insert problem]", or something similar.

now that a dev's here, let's see where this heads off to....

[tropic radish]

Wait, but you said there's a Canon gay couple in there ? (:0
My assumption was that it's more indirect and low-key rather than being explicit, so they managed to get away with it--

[leaden oak]

The cape, and bow already existed in sky Chinese edition. they probably copy pasted the asset

[fervent patrol]

Ah, so the items got moved to another update instead?

[deft belfry]

understandable have a nice day

[spark lance]

im confused. so they were meant to come out in a future update but the team accidentally got the wrong date?? thats what im getting

[kind hawk]

They should say thats bcs copyright, stop support nfts or some * instead of a vague explanation.
Boom thats over

[tiny tinsel]

mistakenly added to beta at all or mistakenly added to that specific update as unfinished content or similar?

[gilded basin]

the bow and hair are new models though, the chinese version is braided and has the bow as part of the hairstyle

[dreamy yacht]

so a question, does that mean it could potentially come out at a later date?

[leaden oak]

Huh nft ?? since when ?

[copper bison]

as i have said before, cn only had hair (bow was attatched to hair) and cape, and it was a different hair to match kizuna ai cn's hair and the cape was different (didn't have the hearts and inside was more red iirc) while beta was more like kizuna ai jp with the long hair, bow was seperate, and cape was slightly different.

[hybrid wedge]

@tropic radish @nimble lava I’mma guess that this is probably not beta related….tempting as it is to keep a thread of conversation in here that is peaceful. Still, a moderator must moderate—this would be best for DMs, it sounds like

[toxic monolith]

it’s possible they had the idea of the addition of them but the ultimate decision was to not add them, but then they were mistakenly added anyway

[karmic plover]

I'm not at liberty to say right this second, but I promise you nothing nefarious is going on. Items got added to an update that were not intended to be due to a miscommunication, and they were removed.

[misty bone]

I just find it odd when one side of the company said it was ready for testing but wasn't appearing and now suddenly it stated that it wasnt supposed to be added at all. Please kindly sort out your internal communication for once.

[mighty crane]

Sorry, I'm just curious as why do you call it a "mistake"?

[limpid crown]

This is enough explanation for me

[scarlet moon]

So will they be added later?

[tropic radish]

They way it's worded as a mistake striked us as something bad happened behind the scenes. Especially with all the efforts put I to jt
And the fact the patch doesn't even mention about the pack at all.
Lie we have to pretend it never existed. That's what raised our concerns :(
Ight omellete. Back to our main topic hwhwhw

[fervent patrol]

Ohhhh, okay, thank you for explaining!

[narrow current]

See this is the explanation we required it was never about a conspiracy. It was about the vagueness of the original statement.

[slim kayak]

removing the information instead of using a strikethrough, along with the confusing wording of the notice, made it seem as if it was being swept under the rug, which was extremely confusing and worrying. but thank you for the explaination

[karmic plover]

Because it was done mistakenly?

[leaden oak]

I'm going to log off, have a great day everyone

[dreamy yacht]

Thank you for explaining Whirthun!

[peak token]

thank you for the further explanation. we are satisfied now 😩

[unique fox]

Understandable, it could’ve been worded better in the patch though.

[languid aspen]

Are you talking about Kizuna AI?

[hybrid wedge]

@nimble lava please take the conversation elsewhere, since this chat is about beta testing. Thank you

[deft belfry]

fr

[toxic monolith]

i feel like accident might be a better term for it in this context

ik nobody cares abt my opinion but i’m not mad at the devs, i rlly don’t care abt the removal at all

[ionic bluff]

But the whole explanation on why, the hiatus part. Why was that included? I still believe this could’ve been worded better, tgc needs to improve communication skills

[copper bison]

i'm just saying that the chinese server kizuna ai items are different from the beta ones, which were based off japanese kizuna ai.

[spark lance]

a question: why are these items in the game in the first place?

[limpid crown]

Even more satisfied with another explanation ✨
Thank you so much for explaining, Whirthun

[leaden oak]

So summary

*Kizuna cosmetics were removed because of miscommunication

[fervent patrol]

It was apparently a mistake because it wasnt supposed to be released in this patch, but due to a miscommunication, the one who wrote the patch thought it was and wrote it there? I think thats what Im getting rn