beta-discussion

[vivid cave]

me too, but it is anxious to wait, until it let you in haha

[old zinc]

Kinda losing hope despite having the "you're a tester" message when I tapped on the link habdjs but yeah, we gotta be patient nonetheless

[lusty light]

This is going to be removed

[vivid cave]

SAME MAN

[silent hatch]

You just won't collect any light in candle runs

[chrome halo]

Oh, ok! If that’s the case, it’s less bad that there was one less slot this wave. I’ll probably leave the beta around when Assembly starts in live!

[tawny ivy]

No, u just stop collecting light.

[hollow jackal]

what i am supposed to think about as a skykid: socializing and candle runs
what i actually think: b e t a

[half cypress]

My comment or the krill protection?

[lusty light]

The krill protection

[gilded idol]

Ah that makes sense
Anyways I'll go to #beta-looking-for-group
And test if it works
I'll let you guys know what happens
👀

[cosmic orchid]

btw, they set the timer short so we can test if its working properly and if it deactivates once you start moving again, so our main focus should be seeing if it works properly when we trigger it and if it ends when we start moving

[zealous badger]

You sure? I'd be surprised since table can still hide chibi's in live. Can't it?

[vast bay]

Ktjn

[163142]

🔹 Heart reward from questgiver should not have a cost tied to it until after the season has concluded
🔹 [Android] Graphics shader issue causing levels and textures to appear brighter than intended
🔹 The total candle cost to complete the season is higher than can be obtained over the duration of a season at normal seasonal candle collection rates
🔹 Visibility issues in the friendship constellation
🔹 Several new prop items protect players from Krill attacks
🔹 While in bloom, the tree makes seeing friends' names difficult
🔹 Particle effects when using upgraded expressions are missing

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[cosmic orchid]

table no longer does that

[willow fog]

You're totally fine, there's a lot of people who get bored of beta after one week haha so there's a lot of inactive people in beta, which is why they changed the system to more regular invite waves. Don't worry, you're totally fine

[zealous badger]

Hmm, wasn't aware they fixed that

[quick harbor]

Huh

[little hound]

No one’s answering me in gen chat and questions. But I noticed that live is sooo buggy right now. My friends and I keep splitting like 5-10 seconds after warping.

[lusty light]

Beta players can’t help you, beta and live have different issues

[half cypress]

This confirms that there are sleeper krills in TGC compromising our mission. All Sky kids stay on high alert!

[quick harbor]

Have they activated a cutscene while trying to get to u that you have not activated?

[spice heron]

I will love to see a Majora's Mask or cape.😂🙈

[half cypress]

It wouldn't make sense, but I want it

[gilded idol]

Majora moon mask

[cosmic orchid]

since tables before are tangible for everyone, a lot of people used to place em on portals and block people up so they got patched and now they're only tangible for the owner and for anyone who sits. since it has this kind of property now, it's generally not tangible in the eyes of a krill

[copper fractal]

there shall be no escape from da krill, they’ll finally become guardians 2: electric boogaloo

[oblique stump]

Time to make a krill sit at my table!

[gilded idol]

They'll prolly make so that the props are only tangible with your friends

[little hound]

Glitching through 3rd floor in vault isn’t supposed to cause all of us getting split I think this issue has been existing since dreams but it just got super worse right now lol

[half cypress]

The tent is currently only tangible to owners, but is also tangible to krill vision

[quick harbor]

Oh, that. I got that bug too, normally I just wait for my friends to warp back to me so we can continue.

[cosmic orchid]

that's definitely a bug

[copper fractal]

invite the krill over for a cup of tea, they’ll really cherish that.

[half cypress]

Can we keep it? I promise to bathe and feed it, and take really good care of it! We can't just throw Henry on the streets even if it is a bug!

[copper fractal]

now that i think about it it’s been a while since they’ve been invited for tea, poor krill

[viral atlas]

Did anyone test spotlight lantern? does it like move with the owner?

[gilded idol]

Nah it's just locked in place

[scarlet venture]

Still waiting for google 😭

[placid linden]

Would it be rude to say I'm not a fan of the blue satchel being the same for all the accessories this season or is it just a placeholder?

[gilded idol]

It's not a placeholder

[cosmic orchid]

12 hours have past, why google, whyyy

[hollow compass]

I kind of like it. It makes sense in the story of Assembly.

[placid linden]

That's a big F then

[stray elk]

Nope! You can send feedback in #beta-feedback

[scarlet venture]

next time i get a next phone, I will buy apple.

[half cypress]

So far, it only lights up when placed, and does not have any movement when placed*

[copper fractal]

you could send constructive criticism in #beta-feedback about it, though i agree with blepita, it goes will with the storyline

[gilded idol]

Its not summer lights lantern 2:electric boogaloo

[zinc kernel]

Just a quick little question, I hope I'm not disturbing a conversation.. if I were to wait have to wait more than 24 hours to be able to install the Beta version, will I just not be able to anymore? Again, sorry if I'm disturbing a conversation T_T

[cosmic orchid]

summer lights lantern still dope cuz flashlight mode with spinning emote= rave

[copper fractal]

it would be pretty rad if each of them had like a different pattern or charm to it, though that is extra time to design em and there’s so many cosmetics offered for this season already

[gilded parrot]

To those vulnerable to flashing animated emoji: Did you know you can deactivate animated emoji? ("Discord App Settings" ⚙️ > "Text & Images" > "Play animated emoji") Hopefully this can be a protective measure for you

[gilded idol]

If you're a tester you should be able to download it
There's no time limit

[light sparrow]

Oh it isn't google, joining beta is immediate for other apps. Only on Sky is it taking days (or months, the first time I got admitted in Beta was officially last summer, and I still have never been able to download it)

[naive crow]

I have a question! I’m in beta right now and the cherry blossom tree nor the boat is there for me. Do i have to update something?

[gilded idol]

The event was over my guy

[zinc kernel]

Ah, I see, thank you very much!

[half cypress]

I reciprocate this feeling. If each item had a variation of the satchel, then that would be visually appealing in my eyes!

And, also being able to carry 3 of the Assembly props in a satchel would be perfect for set designing especially since many of them have no extended features aside from being a prop.

[copper fractal]

if you’re on android, google is mean and it’ll take a while for some to be able to download

wisdom: the event isn’t available in beta anymore

[hollow jackal]

You should be able to light up the lantern while its in your back, period

[naive crow]

Ohh, thank you

[finite coral]

Android users installed the app?

[finite coral]

No??

[cosmic orchid]

that'd be op

[mystic forge]

Some like me

[gilded idol]

Summer lights lantern 2.0

[finite coral]

I thought only I missed 😭

[light sparrow]

yeah it looks like none of us shall pass this time xD

[cosmic orchid]

w8 I misread that I thought they said torch lmao

[gilded idol]

I got in like in then first 15 minutes
Guess I was lucky

[finite coral]

Yeahh I was really hoping to get in this time

[bronze jay]

Are they removing iOS beta players for the wave or no? O.O

[light sparrow]

Got the approval literally 30 seconds after the post, but never could download it

[cosmic orchid]

I got it early when the invites were sent, but can't dl

[willow fog]

No

[gilded idol]

Lemme rephrase that
I managed to download the app within 10 minutes of signing up

[silent hatch]

Lucky

[glossy pivot]

It did say that Android users might have to wait 12-24 hours. It still hasn't been 12 hours so I still wait

[tawdry pine]

I got in just fine in Android! Sure the sign up took a couple of minutes but it didn't take long for Google to give me access to beta

[cosmic orchid]

why google, whyyyyy

[spark lance]

😭

[hollow jackal]

aw man I always miss the beta invites

when will it be the fated day for me to finally test

[light sparrow]

I think we need a channel dedicated for ranting android "pseudo beta" like me. It's Like that EVERY TIME and I think beta ppl in beta may not enjoy our take overs of the chats.

[half cypress]

I posted a video in the #beta-screenshots-videos channel if you want to see it in action while the feature is still available

[gilded idol]

I think it would make sense that there would be a wedge design for the ult cape

[worn halo]

I got in immedially...since I saw the ping and just downloaded it. The download took a while but I never had any issues 😛

[half cypress]

I agree. Although, I am growing fond of the wedgeless style 😎

[robust orchid]

Raindrops would be cute

[hollow jackal]

me taking note of what the items are doing and like how the tent can protect you from the krill like I'm actually in beta

[cosmic orchid]

a starless cape does look quite different and clean

[gilded idol]

The shelf used to protect you but then they put holes so we couldn't hide

[lusty light]

They remove inactive iOS testers silently

[gilded idol]

We android testers are safe

[hollow jackal]

What does all of the items even do at this point? Like okay we have a cushion and a hammok, that's cute, but why? Why the shelf? Is it only so the season of assembly can say "hey i have like a hecc ton of items lol" with no actual purpose? some of them actually do have one though so that's nice

[thick coral]

I still can't get in

[stark cloud]

I remember when the first time got to be beta tester and Google only give me install beta app a few months after that

[lusty light]

Because their functions aren’t ready to be tested yet

[hollow compass]

One good thing to do when you join beta is to browse through #beta-announcements to see what's been added lately for us to test. 🙂

[gilded idol]

The hexagon thing looks like a bootleg Dreamcatcher

[chrome ivy]

Placeholder

[quick harbor]

Okay but what do y'all think if 2 different phones, same account. 1 already says that beta can be downloaded, the other phone says it doesn't

[snow steppe]

so in beta, we need to do cr just like in live to collect emotes and cosmetics?

[lusty light]

Google is just stupid

[quick harbor]

I thought that too
My friend is super sad she can't join in yet, poor her.

[stark cloud]

Google just be Google

[wild dust]

This is me rn ^

[spark lance]

How do i play beta?

[wild dust]

Were u able to join the invite?

[spark lance]

google being google

What invite?

[wild dust]

The invite to play beta

[chrome ivy]

GOOGLE IS GOOGLE

[half cypress]

I am going to post this in feedback as well, but will say it here just to stir the creative cauldron: Towards the end of the Assembly quests, I began to wonder if the props would gain functionality after completing them. For example, the hammock would allow players to use the sleep feature that is present on the hammocks at the tree house, but with their own hammock. To my dismay, that did not happen when I excitedly grabbed my hammock from home after completing the quest.
Would that be a uniquely interesting idea for this season's items? Since the quest givers and quests are still available after a season ends (albeit, located from within their respective realm areas) players who acquire the items from Assembly's Travelling Spirit counterparts in the future could still obtain the functionality of those items through the quests.

[spark lance]

Uhh i dont think so

[balmy thistle]

Hey y'all. Ahn... How do I burn that last piece needed for the first quest? The one that's inside the tree?

[wild dust]

Sadly u cannot play. The invite wave happened like 10 hours ago? It was the only invite wave so u have to wait for the next invite wave that would be in months

[willow fog]

Please read #beta-faq

[quick harbor]

Please notice that many items do not have their features yet and there's no wg in the new area aswell

[sly plover]

For that one you need to bring a friend/another person with you so you can take out a white candle but you have to use the sit emote to be able to burn it.

[half cypress]

I know that, but for some reason I had a moment of doubt when I was finishing the quest line yesterday.
Also, what is WG? I haven't seen that acronym before. O.o

[balmy thistle]

Aaaah. Thank you, thank you.... I only need to find a friend now haha

[quick harbor]

Winged light

[dense tundra]

Anyone have founders cape ? i want to go in ||office|| - i dont know if i should censor or no

[arctic lance]

You can also spam between your sit emote and candle to get it, that’s what I did!

[sly plover]

I can take you

[half cypress]

No need to censor here. ^~^

[dull tiger]

Please forgive me. This is my first time being a beta tester, and I don't know where everything is. Last night I tried to make a bug report but I messed it up, where do I find the build number in () for beta

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that as testers, we should try looking for things in Beta ourselves when possible! If you are still struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live

[dense tundra]

ok!

[balmy thistle]

Oh thanks for telling me. I'll try that, thank you

[vapid lichen]

The blossom event ended in beta but the new lawn is still there, so I wonder what if there will be Christmas tree at home in this dec

[sly plover]

send a qr through dms

[half cypress]

Currently the build number appears to be missing for some people (including myself) for this build.

[languid flare]

There's no build number for some reason, so just type 0.13.0() when it ask for build number

[spark lance]

where can I ask beta questions?

[cosmic orchid]

aight m8s, imma sleep. If I wake up and still couldn't download beta, imma cry
have fun bug squashing

[dull tiger]

It wouldn't let me put just the parentheses. I had to put a build number to make a bug report, so I thought maybe I should put the live number in

[half cypress]

Please refer to #beta-faq . If you have questions that are not answered in there, then feel free to ask here! :D

[jolly bear]

Anyone have founder office ? I need help entering the office ^^

Also, where is the quest giver at forest actually ? Been looking for him amd it seem i missed their place a lot

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! Please make sure to search it yourself before asking, and together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience

[hallow igloo]

I simply put a 0 in the parentesis

[languid flare]

I just wrote the version and the parenthesis 0.13.0() XD

[cyan knoll]

i can see the build number on mine? it’s (164405)

[half cypress]

I can take you if you would like. May I DM you?

[hollow compass]

The build number is also available in #beta-announcements

[icy falcon]

If you are up to date then you're on Sky-Beta v0.13.0 build 164405, you can see the latest build number in #beta-announcements

[jolly bear]

Yes please, thank you very much for your help ^^

[hallow igloo]

Yes, but after updating some of us are still missing the build number. We'll start using the one in the updates group, but it's oddly an ongoing issue for some

[dull tiger]

Thank you very much! I knew it was somewhere but I didn't check the beta channels much until recently. Thank you for letting me know

[stark cloud]

Mine also 0.13.0()

[hollow compass]

Be sure to familiarise yourself with the channels under SKY Beta, as well as the bug report channels. 🙂

[chrome ivy]

Stillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll waiting the google play says I can download SKY beta

[lusty light]

Please don’t omit the build number, that’s one of the most important pieces of info you can give because it tells the devs whether the bug is new or not

[spark lance]

SAMEEEEEEEEEE

though someone said they waited for 3 days

AND PLS GOOGLE DON'T MAKE IT 3 DAYS

[frosty kettle]

the portrait mode lowers the fps like, a lot. should i report it as a bug?

[still obsidian]

Oop, tried to use an emote while flying in a group, fell right outta that world lmao

[chrome ivy]

If it's three days I rather wait. Since you won't get kick in beta on Android I doesn't care lol

[tawdry pine]

Now time to juggle my time spent in Live and Beta
Or set up a schedule thing

[spark lance]

same
im in android too

[mortal pendant]

Anyone know where I can find the seasonal spirits?

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! Please make sure to search it yourself before asking, and together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience

[robust orchid]

I can’t finish the first quest because the piece is inside the tree

[orchid yacht]

the darkness tree? You need to burn it

[sly plover]

For that one you need to bring a friend/another person with you so you can take out a white candle but you have to use the sit emote to be able to burn it.(quest 1)

[spark lance]

Any android users still waiting?

:(

[distant shell]

Yep

[orchid yacht]

it was possible to do the first quest solo when I did it, not sure if that's changed

[spark lance]

Waiting download?

[sly plover]

Some people couldn’t burn it as the dark plant was underground it was underground for me ;-; (bugs)

[fervent apex]

my friend just used chibi mask for that, u can try it if u want

[daring jewel]

i cant finish the first quest bc one of the darkness thingies are invisible and i cant melt it 🥲 anyone else have that problem?

[sly plover]

Oh I already done it the seasonal quest just a advice tho

[chrome ivy]

Some people can't download beta due to Google things. Return error says the beta is full

[brazen sluice]

I missed 1 and couldn’t find it

[daring jewel]

same it was like underground

[spark lance]

I've heard that Google will sent u email if it availablr

[brazen sluice]

That was yesterday

[chrome ivy]

This is not how it works.

[silent cliff]

same here i just wanna see the tree

[daring jewel]

*cries*

[spark lance]

OmL 😭

[chrome ivy]

The staff or developer will send a link at #beta-signup-info and when you open the link it will say join the beta.

[lilac bobcat]

I’m not a beta player, but I’ve been watching videos on the whole afk thing and OMG there are other circumstances that a person might be afk. Just let people get their candles as they want. Afk or not.

[keen crescent]

i believe the one from yesterday would be the only one

[spark lance]

Yeah join testes, but space full . thousand people waiting but....... You know it

[tiny ice]

i joined beta program yesterday and i still can't download it on android

[daring jewel]

did anyone notice that the home button trick to not get krilled didn’t work 🥲😭😂

[keen crescent]

it should work, i've tried it and it worked.

[chrome ivy]

It was google problem. Some people won't get the access to the beta until at 12 hour or 24 hours wait time

[daring jewel]

are u on android?

[timid bough]

did those videos tell you that the current time is a placeholder? it could be as long as 30 minutes for all we know

[daring jewel]

ya i got krilled twice, i’m on an iPhone smh

[rain delta]

I still don’t want any timer tbh :( it doesn’t matter for me if they are planning to change it to 30 minutes or not, they’re taking a choice away from me

[tawny ivy]

There seems to be a visual indication when u go AFK, for those using controllers. My skykid tries to sit down while running lol

[static sundial]

the beta invites channek isnt showing up for me

[rapid stirrup]

make sure you don't have the category collapsed!

[keen crescent]

It has been said that there will be no more wave links after this one though, maybe thats why?

[sly plover]

You have to get the role to see the channel if you haven’t done so.

[timid zenith]

i really am worried for the afk timer

[rose narwhal]

Click on the blue cape in #beta-faq

[gusty flare]

Im still not able to download the beta app even tho it clearly says im a tester
I already waited roughly 9 hours..
What to do?

[static sundial]

oops, there it is now, thank you!

[spark lance]

Do not sleep

[tiny ice]

same

[rain delta]

Also beta invites channel only shows up when you’re active in the server and meet a minimum threshold

[timid bough]

30 minutes is more than enough time, you most likely would have been separated during this time from normal circumstances (cutscenes, server splits, going home)

[static sundial]

i thought beta invites were closed, how are people sending scs of them downloading it in beta scs?

[chrome ivy]

Wait. Just wait.

[orchid yacht]

That's not right. All you need to do is click the reaction to get into the channel

[daring jewel]

yeah that’s what i thought!

[chrome ivy]

Some people will get immediately but some need to wait longer

[sly plover]

Most of them are androids. It taking longer to be accepted into beta

[umbral spruce]

Which spirit has the hammock thing? I really want to get it before the season ends in beta

[orchid yacht]

on iOS in order to stay in beta you need to be active, but that's a totally different thing

[chrome ivy]

I assumed it depend who join the beta quicker and may get beta immediately or some delay.

[daring jewel]

how do you get on portrait mode?🤔

[spark lance]

Don't think too much

[timid bough]

i joined early and had no delay

[sly plover]

Click on the setting icon on the top right corner

[keen crescent]

yea me neither i guess it depends on what time they joined

[frosty kettle]

i submitted my first bug!!

[rain delta]

@timid bough I don’t think it’s about the time for me, it’s about the mere existence of it
If you haven’t noticed, a lot of changes made recently is TGC telling you how to play the game - the first one with the new light system, is favorable to a lot of people, so there’s less dissent
But I feel like all of these updates are setting a precedent for more constrained playing and I don’t like that
How you interact with other players and your play style are all being determined by TGC.. and it’s taking a choice away from me
Who knows what kind of updates will happen to the game next

[chrome ivy]

If you like very late and join the beta the wait time is very longer than usual 1 or 2 hours

[inland sail]

Same here! Got Beta after 10-15 minutes ^~^'

[chrome ivy]

So join early means you get beta quicker

[cedar turret]

I am almost to vault finally, but vault is my least favorite place lol

[chrome ivy]

The invite comes off at 5:18am and I join the beta at 6:45am

[frosty kettle]

please send this to #live-feedback, TGC need to see this

[tough swallow]

Me too ! Reported my first beta bug

[terse quail]

You’ll most likely be there all on your own too

[rain delta]

Again it is their game, and they can do what they want with it.. but listening to player base is as equally important as it is to maintain your own vision of the game

[cedar turret]

fjnvd noooooooooooo

[timid bough]

at the same time catering 100% to players is also degrading to the game and the company itself

[vagrant sequoia]

Google still aint open yet

[bold belfry]

I still can't download :(((

[terse quail]

I’ve been totally alone there from second lvl up, it was a little creepy ngl

[zealous badger]

Hey, I was wondering if one of the burnable plants was just removed in the Entrance area or if it was moved somewhere else in the area? The area where the first treehouse is.

[chrome ivy]

They listen our community feedback by adding #live-feedback and #beta-feedback . No like some other developer don't even listen it.

[cedar turret]

what I am doing is a speed run, so I am getting like 1 spirit and all the WL then moving on, I am going back for the spirits

[spring vector]

I'm about to punt google play store to the moon

[vagrant sequoia]

Gotta wait 24 hrs.

[junior kettle]

I agree! Especially with the afk update :C

[long wave]

Oh no 😔 what little hope it had has now left me....why am I actually so sad rn

[bold belfry]

my boyfriend got in on ios and he's already playing

[terse quail]

I still didn’t manage to get the spirit behind telekinesis door, because there’s no one ever there

[timid bough]

i don't really understand what playstyle requires you to be afk more than 30 minutes but hey i always CR on my own and hate being pulled around

[vagrant sequoia]

Wait what
U HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DOWNLOAD IT FOR A LONG TIME?

[light sparrow]

You never know, but over the months, I've known more people accepted in beta without being able to download it than people who could download it... You could be one of the lucky few!

[bold belfry]

:((

[fluid quail]

I managed to merge and do the puzzle and 4 players door in vault today
the trick is to do these kinda things around reset time or when that map is the daily quest map

[vagrant sequoia]

Does downloading the apk work

[proven igloo]

My friend wasn't able to get beta and I was
It was super disheartening, but maybe the next time around NO EMOTES FOR NOAH

[terse quail]

Some people do their homework, work, do other things. If the person ubering has no problem with them being afk, then there’s no reason for TGC to have an issue with it either.

[chrome ivy]

*Some people

[bold belfry]

I just wanna play with my boyfriend this sucks he's gonna be all over the beta while I can't download it.

I'm in the beta but bleh

[timid bough]

but even doing work and homework requires you to pay attention to some degree, especially within 30 minutes

[vagrant sequoia]

Wait a sec do u have shareit?
Do the two of u meet irl?

[chrome ivy]

I think the developer tricking us. April fools

[light sparrow]

Yup. I got admitted at every single beta opening of the last 6 months (except one slot), and I never could download it. Back when I started I used to live in another continent and was using another phone, so it's kinda permanent for me I think.

[gilded parrot]

@timid bough bruh you know downloading APKs is against the Terms of Service, right? It could cause a lot of performance, account and malware issues for you. Trying to use APKs will result in download problems and may result in account data loss and inability to contact TGC support. APKs cannot be used to bypass the device incompatibility and do not help TGC with beta testing at all. Please don't use them or discuss them here.

[terse quail]

I don’t think that 30 minutes is the point. The point is that there shouldn’t be afk limit at all. It wasn’t in the game until now and things were fine.

[bold belfry]

no we're long distance, he got me in to sky. n was like. GET THE BETA so I tried and :( I'm starting to feel down but I have hope

[light sparrow]

If I still can't download it after a couple of days, i'll click on the link to leave the beta, and my spot will free up, you might be able to catch it

[chrome ivy]

HA HA SKYMOTH GET BRRR

[timid bough]

bruh skybot you always do friendly fire
but hey you guys get the message

[vagrant sequoia]

First time ever seeing sky bot do a paragraph

[bold belfry]

I just wanna play with him. he's not gonna wanna play live with me anymore

[orchid yacht]

this is just skybot's normal response to the a word

[cedar turret]

Are the back items supposed to all look the same?

[vagrant sequoia]

Who needs beta when u got ✨chinese server ✨

[bright portal]

I feel bad for many folks trying to get into beta and stay up long hours for invites

I got really lucky and i have been in beta since sanctuary, i never got removed frm beta once and i never had to do invites since sanctuary

[chrome ivy]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[long wave]

Still kinda mad tho bc i got the invite within 5 minutes of it being released :( welp I'm not mad i think, I'm just sad

[timid bough]

beta, is extremely volatile, risking losing progress with no compensation, not being able to play for weeks on end due to crash loops usually caused by null items

beta by NO chance is something to replace live
although there are some who does this, its a bad idea

[chrome ivy]

And the data wipe

[vagrant sequoia]

Data wipe?

[long wave]

My friends who are on ios all have been able to download it....😔

[spark lance]

the new afk system is a bad idea

[thick coral]

Why google so slow, i just want to explore beta (｡•́︿•̀｡)

[spark lance]

Invite

[chrome ivy]

The devs will data wipe the beta if needed.

[vagrant sequoia]

Why

[chrome ivy]

Sometimes things may go wrong and they will do a data wiped if needed

[spark lance]

Can i bring up an argument that someone else made? About the afk system

[vagrant sequoia]

I can't recover them back?

[chrome ivy]

Obviously, yes

[bright portal]

For any reasons , maybe they need players to test something for moths , maybe something corrupted and in need of restore a backup

Hence the reasons for beta is for testing, thats why we were never encouraged to get too attached to whatever progress or cosmetics we obtained here

[spark lance]

just a disclaimer before i send this: someone else made it

[light sparrow]

Me too, and I think I might like suffering because I keep doing it. My best friend has been having the same issue for months too and decided to stop trying this month

[chrome ivy]

Access and/or progress wipes. We do this on an as-needed basis for testing purposes. Access wipes are when we kick everyone out of Beta and they must rejoin if they wish to continue being a tester for us, which helps us cycle in new and active testers. Progress wipes are when we reset all testers’ progress in the game. This may include resetting currencies (hearts and/or candles).
#beta-faq

[spark lance]

I’ve said this before and I’m gonna say it again. TGC takes 2 steps backwards after 1 step forward with the chevron system, now they’re deciding to throw a fit because a few people got more candles than the rest and are taking two steps back with this. I‘m starting to enjoy this game so much less now. And it sucks because I’ve been going through an extreme uber burnout and I probably will need to take an uber. [cont]

[tacit geode]

Can someone solve the problem of the lack of graduation heart in the test season?

[spark lance]

Literally who cares that a few people went afk overnight. Just put a cap on the amount you get from the tree like you did with the dragon or just leave it alone. The most harm it can do is give people more candles so they can afford the ridiculously high candle prices. [end]

[bright portal]

Because the ultimate gift had a bug and also they rearrange the questgiver's tree, so we cannot get all of the ultimate items in beta

[languid flare]

Another reason to put an afk system is to prevent anti social behaviors, but at the same time, people go afk all the time. So is there really a need for this system?

[bright portal]

I read somewhere someone afked for 12 hours under the tree and got 3 candles in live

Its only 3 candles cmon tgc

[chrome ivy]

Actually TGC do this have a purpose because some students like me have many homework and online classes to do. And after online classes they may only have 2 or even 1 hour to play sky my timezone. So for not let some people playing sky depress or having mental health issues they remake the candle so for some people can at least grind candle's more. Before the update I only can get 4 or 5 candles as I only run at quest and candle cakes realm. Now I can get slightly more. 5 or 7. Except the quest candles.

But for now, some people ranting on the review says the new candle system is broken for those full candle run.

[tawny ivy]

The chevron system and the afk system are linked. They're trying to reduce the need for strenuous candle runs (and in doing so reduce the need for ubers)

[spark lance]

Thats also my point. Are they really doing this just because a few people got like 2-3 candles?

[warped geyser]

Yikess the afk system

[tacit geode]

I want to return that instrument.Then change my cloak qq

[tawny ivy]

Lol guys the tree isn't the main point of the afk system.

[languid flare]

The afk system will prevent people from getting candles if they are afk while someone is ubering them. Which means less candles for those who need to work on other things irl

[spark lance]

why does that matter though? Like what is the point.

[fleet sorrel]

Y’all are totally off base. TGC is doing this so that most people only get around 10 candles a day. And most people want things faster so they will end up buying candles. More money for TGC.

[worn lake]

Has any1 with Android been able to download beta yet???

[languid flare]

They're doing this to prevent people from stressing and grinding, but it's kinda having an opposite effect

[warped geyser]

why do i feel like tgc is getting really greedy with all the new systems? like they just want us to buy candles

[chrome ivy]

The new system makes a huge balance problem. Before is the full cr profit and half cr pain. After the update now is half cr profit and full cr pain.

[bright portal]

Actually the statement says

"To address this kind of behaviour"
So yeah ,the way they structure the post its kinda pointing fingers at the tree

[cobalt kestrel]

[chrome ivy]

I already see this problem when the Candle system preview on #news .

[tawny ivy]

You think they came up with the afk system over night when they realized the tree was being farmed? I think they're just using the tree to push the system out faster

[bright portal]

Yeah probs , feels like an excuse imo

[vital siren]

Although, yet it's besides the tree; those who are ubering in all realms and those who are afk aren't gonna have to get the candles since there are some times when ppl are doing something else that is important

[chrome ivy]

I am thinking. Why just make AFK system on home space only?

[spark lance]

Okay, fine. TGC can do whatever they want, they can add the TS system, the afk system, they might as well just make it so you have to buy candles!

[bold belfry]

my bf has passed out on cr before so

[chrome ivy]

Wait what?

[glass fiber]

Means they fell asleep

[languid flare]

I had to uber someone through half the realms, but they also passed out before I can finish one ;_;

[chrome ivy]

Sigh, I was thinking another passed out means

[bold belfry]

he has a habit of falling asleep almost instantly. he's done it in orbit and on wl runs

[spark lance]

there's so many back items in assembly my lord

[glass fiber]

I'm not in beta, but I just wanna see ya'll opinions about this matter. I hope everyone reports what they really think of that new afk system to TGC
dont make them implement it

[spark lance]

okay, I’m sorry for being harsh. I just have been getting so frustrated at TGC with these useless ideas

[chrome ivy]

If you think out of box, Sky is F2P so they get greedy for a reason

[timid geyser]

Well, won't the afk system just defeat the whole purpose of the game,I mean thn ppl would just start going on solo cr instead of friends because it will be faster that way ,
You can't even enjoy going on cr in long groups ,
The game would turn anti-social instead .

[dusk igloo]

tgc be like: hi we are now adding a new candle system nobody asked for and pressures players who are busy, or get called for help by their moms constantly, enjoy! :D

[warped geyser]

Yeah, as someone in Beta, I already reported it. I hope everyone who disagrees does the same, since it really doesn't make sense for the reason they say it's for.

[chrome ivy]

Just for example. GAJIN

[spark lance]

i think the afk system is fair if it doesn't affect candle runs and if it does they should probably edit it a bit

[languid flare]

It would just be easier to put a hard cap on the tree, instead of adding a whole new system

[chrome ivy]

War Thunder F2P but similar grinding to Sky

[spark lance]

To sum it up: The afk system is useless and should not be added

[glass fiber]

So far I heard it effects all realms

[grave inlet]

I agree. Just put a cap on how many candles you can get from the tree.

[spark lance]

[dusk igloo]

Sky is slowly becoming as greedy as ROBLOX

[bright portal]

A game like sky doesnt need an afk system imo.

[chrome ivy]

Roblox Is another story.

[thin heron]

The whole time I tot the hard cap was on during live

[warped geyser]

AFKsystem should only affect people in homespace if they're bothered by the tree giving free light. Or just remove the light, idk.

[silver willow]

It’s much slower to get wax from the tree in live than in beta

[tawny ivy]

It's not about the tree

[latent palm]

like i dont understand the afk thing in the first place. one: the tree gives you one piece of wax every like 10 minutes. two: if you go afk during a candle run with a friend, wouldnt that just defeat the purpose of ubers? and three: why 5 minutes? why not 30min or 1hr?

[spark lance]

roblox isn't greedy at all cause you don't necessarily have to pay anything to access their games it's the developer of those games that put money on them

[bright portal]

Its already technically hard capped, we get one light every 2 minutes or something like that

[glass fiber]

The event is only until April 2, why did they even come up with this ?

[dusk igloo]

Still, the companies are

[jolly bear]

The AFK system will have large impact in CR actually. This game was made for MultiPlayer Adventures. Not everyone managed to stay in front of their phone to check while tehy got ubered.

Well of course no AFK in Wasteland since it will be pretty risky with those Krill.

[ruby parcel]

Why did they add the light giving mechanic in the first place if they're hard capping it

[thin heron]

EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT

[spark lance]

i wouldve settled with a pretty tree if i was going to add a bunch of other mechanics to it since the event is going to end in like 2 weeks

[cobalt heath]

This is a good suggestion over putting a new system. Clear as the skies!

[thin heron]

Didn't they already did this with the days of fortune before?

[bold belfry]

if I got forced to message my game would crash so bad and my SM would make it impossible to talj

[timid bough]

it isn't just about the tree, its about this kind of behavior as a whole, they only noticed this behavior through the tree

[spark lance]

to sum up this chat: why is TGC making updates literally nobody asked for

[ruby parcel]

Literally

[bright portal]

This afk system is getting more backlash then when they tested having TS items AP locked 😂

[glass fiber]

A nightmare tbh

[chrome ivy]

I think they may release the wrong update.

[timid bough]

maybe because its their game and they do what they want

[tender oasis]

Lets hope they listen feedback

[cedar turret]

I am so mad at myself, I was almost done with vault and I went to the portal, not the return shrine

[dusk igloo]

i think they both are the worst features that are going to be added

[ruby parcel]

Like why did they add the wax giving mechanic on the tree if they're going to hard cap it

[spark lance]

honestly when ts items were ap locked that started a war

[halcyon canopy]

Okay so I haven't play in a few days and i feel like I missed something. I've seen like a diamond in midair that seems to made out of four tree branches. Does anyone know what it is and what it does?

[warped geyser]

if this goes live, me and a lot of my friends honestly might quit. I don't have enough hours in the day to farm for candles and Obviously the game revolves around a lot of the expensive items

[proven igloo]

As a new beta player: I am afraid

[chrome ivy]

Day light I think is good for some degree. As I saided "The new system makes a huge balance problem. Before the full cr profit and half cr pain. After the update now is half cr profit and full cr pain."

[spark lance]

Is that system even still coming

[rain mantle]

Honestly I mostly lurk here but it does seem like a lot of recent changes seem to kinda impact "endgame" play.

Things like increasing the requirements for likes at message shrines to get hearts making it harder for organized groups to gain hearts in the pursuit of endgame cosmetics, or the Daily Light system substantially increasing the time required for full CRs making it more difficult to obtain candles for free beyond just ten to thirteen a day, and now the AFK system potentially impacting people who want to give or participate in ubers.

[timid bough]

thing is its in feedback stage, none of this is confirmed to even coming to live the time is placeholder

people are overreacting to it

[bright portal]

It got so bad they just scrapped it off and never talked abt it ever again

[sullen relic]

i don't think we've heard an official statement on it for a long time, but it's been quite a while since we've last tested it

[halcyon canopy]

Okay so I haven't play in a few days and i feel like I missed something. I've seen like a diamond in midair that seems to made out of four tree branches. Does anyone know what it is and what it does?

[wooden raptor]

I’m sure some players took advantage from the tree but a lot of players left their devices to test hard cap which was something we couldn’t see before the tree came. So creating a scenario to test something shouldn’t reflect the style of all players. I agree that tree should be limited but disabling wax for all realms when you’re afk is not the fix to that problem. It affects much more things than they intend for and it is really heartbreaking for me to see that they are taking away our ability to help each other out when in need...

[cedar turret]

where are the scouts

[chrome ivy]

AFK system is only a placeholder. And this is beta. If we just need more feedback to TGC it will do the trick. #beta-feedback

[halcyon canopy]

Does anyone know?

[spark lance]

Idea: TGC should make a poll for players which updates should come or not

[tender oasis]

Since they pushed to live features a lot of ppl didn't like its not necessarily an overreaction but a fear it will happen again.

[sullen relic]

i'm not sure i'd call it overreacting necessarily -- some people seem to be trying to make it clear how much they do not like the idea of the system as a whole rather than just how it's currently implemented, which i think is a fair stance to hold considering that the impacts some changes can have on the playerbase may be irreversible even if the feature itself is rolled back

[dusk igloo]

tgc will not have their appreciation sandwich unless they remove this trash update

[languid flare]

That item currently doesn't have a function

[rain mantle]

I'm just curious because I wasn't around in Beta at the time, but did the Daily Light system substantially change from Beta feedback before it hit live? Or did the wax/light gain rates largely stay the same between the Beta and Live versions of the feature?

[chrome ivy]

Everyone is just tooo overreact the update actually

[terse river]

where did you perhaps see this?

[spark lance]

ive been in beta since prophecy testing and ive never even done a full run so i have no idea

[timid bough]

it is overreacting calling it trash (despite being in bare bones state) and threatening to quit

[bright portal]

I mean , the friend constellation is fixed dont throw everything please

[tender oasis]

For me no inly rates and ui changed I didn't feel those problems i had with it were adressed. But thats my opinion

[dusk igloo]

ok

[chrome ivy]

Update is not even on LIVE yet.

[wooden raptor]

There’s equal chance for this change going to live or not. We are not overreacting. We are simply sharing our opinon and fears of how this change will affect us

[timid bough]

well some people are not all

[zealous badger]

Does anyone else have weird little red lines that flicker around the icons for your candles, settings, store, etc?

[warped geyser]

We are not threatening to quit, it's just something that probably has to happen

[tawdry pine]

The AFK drama is really something else
This is a social game, the point is to interact with other people, it's not about who gets the most candles or cosmetics

[dusk igloo]

We are just saying some players might quit

[orchid yacht]

Keep in mind if this goes to live the timer will not be two minutes

[spark lance]

it feels like im at a meeting room discussing a serious topic

[halcyon canopy]

I saw it twice, once at home and once at daylight prairie. It looked like a play placed it there

[tawny ivy]

I've seen a few people threatening to quite unfortunately

[thin heron]

Why won't they just set a few server rooms for people who actually AFK?

[dusk igloo]

tgc, we all know you want us to buy candles and are mad free to plays have lots of candles

[warped geyser]

i haven't . but i'm probably quitting if it goes live either way bc i just can't spend so much time on the game

[orchid yacht]

it's a prop from the new season, it does nothing

[spark lance]

tgc wants to force us to socialise but at the same time we are being forced to do things on our own like crs if we want gameplay over socialisation which some of us don't have the time for, even with chevrons imo

[sullen relic]

some people may feel strongly enough about a feature to quit over it, i think that's actually a valid reaction to have

[spark lance]

That isn’t the point of the system though??

[silver willow]

Is it the hexagon thing? It doesn’t have a purpose yet, but it does on one of the season quest tho, just not for us yet

[timid bough]

some controversial features has been taken to live (some of which were completely stealth) for example daily light which was unbalanced, now is balanced in beta again

[wooden raptor]

Isn’t helping a friend in need socializing? Why do we have to play in such a specific style to be counted as social? Helping a friend in need or them doing the same for me is making us closer than just a random guy I share emotes with

[tender oasis]

From my end its not a threat towards anyone but myself. With the latest updates and 'forced ideal behaviour patterns' the game started to lose its charm .

[bold belfry]

to save myself from anxiety attacks if it goes live I will probably quit too

[terse river]

it seems you may have come across the prop given by the seasonal spirits. there isn’t much of a function to see yet, other than the ones you may see in the Treehouse ||after completing the 6th main story quest, which is to completely recharge your cape when you fly through it. we’ll have to see in future updates i believe.||

[chrome ivy]

This will make TGC need more server to put AFK player in place. And also Backend Enginner need to do more job by making a timer like 3 min and server merge to AFK only server and when AFK player came back and server merge back to the original server if possible.

[spark lance]

Guys sorry for interrupting and asking again the same question. Is anyone else on android unable to download the beta?

[bold belfry]

yep

[slim kayak]

Give it a few days. Google is a bit slow to catch up

[ruby parcel]

I'm a certified full cr and wl runner but if that update does goes live I am going to flip (By that update I mean the AFK system)

[subtle sundial]

The two things that actually effect sociability in the game, 1. Server splitting/join restrictions 2. Crashes
The two things that persist and even increase in every patch, 1. Server splitting/join restrictions 2. Crashes
Sky is beginning to rely on the fact that there is no comparable game to compete for the attention of their player base. We choose the game for the freedom of curating our own experiences, not for increasingly heavy curating of experiences from devs.
Really starting to look like players acting freely is a higher priority bug than actual bugs.

[spark lance]

Sky feels like it’s becoming a p2w game and they’re trying to hide it

[dusk igloo]

i entered beta when the first hour was almost over and i'm not allowed to download it yet

[tawdry pine]

That is helping a friend yes, but keep in mind, we don't know what's going on behind the screen, for all TGC knows, the friend is truly afk or a dummy account.
I do think it's a extreme action to prevent people from exploiting a temporarily wax source, though.

[cedar turret]

uuuuuuuuuuuuh how do I get the last piece for the first one

[ruby parcel]

That happens you can go to #beta-faq for that

[zealous badger]

I don't understand the issue, why would the AFK system effect a full CRer?

[timid bough]

afk timers are pretty standard issue in multiplayer games
given enough time before you turn into afk mode will hardly affect anything
which is ironic why its even here anyway unless it has passive uses (immune to krills and dark water)

[subtle sundial]

The game isn't competitive. Dummy accounts and AFK don't matter.

[rain mantle]

Fundamentally the issue here is that games thrive on player choice; any changes in the game that feel like they modify how current players play the game will always be met with some resistance.

The AFK system's potential impact on ubers, the Daily Light system's known impact on full CRs, the changes to heart shrine's impacts on heart groups; all of these represent mechanics that substantially impacted how more enfranchised/established players play the game, so there's going to obviously be pain points there.

[spark lance]

Uber with afk people

[silver willow]

Chibi fall for now until the next update

[slim kayak]

Yes, this happens every invite wave all you can do now is wait.

[ruby parcel]

Because I carry friends and they're VERY busy so yea

[tender totem]

hello! sorry! is it okay for non beta players to join/participate in the discussion?:0

[cedar turret]

cries in moff, no chibi mask

[timid bough]

sky by no way is pay2win because there isn't a win
its all cosmetics

[tawdry pine]

Some people use dummy accounts to get free hearts

[sullen relic]

also a full CR runner here -- it doesn't affect my own candle intake directly, but it's got the potential to affect how often i see my friends joining me if i'm unable to help them gather wax while they're busy with work or studies, which i feel is a valid way of showing our friendship

[chrome ivy]

Join Restrictions more like a bug.

[zealous badger]

lol Glad I only run with active people or solo

[subtle sundial]

So.

[wooden raptor]

I think this goes beyond the intention to prevent people using dummy accounts. Do you really think this change will stop those people benefitting from their run? Would it be so hard for them to tap on other screens during their actively candle runs? I don’t think so

[cedar turret]

that is against TOS

[edgy nexus]

I do agree the timer does not help players to be more socialize, they should add some mini games similar to the emote hide and seek to promote socialization

[ionic bluff]

It’s technically a way to exploit the game

[warped geyser]

EXACTLY!! It'll be a lot more lonely if no one wants to tag along to my crs when i do them :((

[chrome ivy]

These cosmetics have no competitive advantage

[random gull]

there isn't just one way of socializing. people are still social even playing afk. Also, I don't think this afk timer will do anything about people who fall asleep in the 8player gate in prairie while waiting since ALL it does is stop you from collecting light. so it's not stopping the actually harmful afk players just kinda hurting people like me who get ubers with friends because the game makes me dizzy/sick. we voice call or chat on discord so I don't have to look at my screen as much. I'm gonna feel more isolated socially in this game because now I can't even join people afk in addition to not being able to lead candle runs.

[timid bough]

there isn't even any competition

[spark lance]

so they come out with this system to make people tap their screens? hAahHhahah, good one.

[ruby parcel]

WHAT OMG DID I JUST ALMOST DO THE FIRST QUEST WHICH IS BUGGED?

[spark lance]

With the increase of likes to get hearts and discouraging people of doing a full cr they really start showing signs of p2p. They don't address real issues and bugs. We split non stop. Non stop crashes. We have to farm trials daily and the trials portals became like the boat in ark. So many real issues they don't adress.

[hasty dew]

as much as I hate this, it’s very true. While tgc does have to make money to not only pay their staff, but also to feed their families, I can understand making things pricey. But I feel like it could be a little less pushy. It should be a choice to support the company. You should not feel obligated to spend probably around 20 dollars a week on in-game items

[dusk igloo]

Bad beta update: exists
every player:

[warped geyser]

But saying this is just admitting to the fact that the new afk system is just to make money from the people who want cosmetics

[sullen relic]

i think it's worth mentioning that while it's true our friends aren't actually right there at the moment as we're doing the CRs, it still seems like a nice gesture to be able to help them in some way -- even if they're not right there as we're running, it influences our interactions later on when we actually have time to be present

[ionic bluff]

I feel like the afk system and the amount of likes needed on a message to get a heart is going against the reason why they made daily light. Wasn’t it supposed to make getting currency easier for some players? Now it’s just getting harder.

[carmine thorn]

There goes me collecting random wax for you when I WL run for you while we "test" this new "system."

[timid bough]

daily light is already addressed crashes is addressed likes from shrines isn't a big source of hearts i have tons of hearts from zero shrines

[chrome ivy]

Sky is pay to win:
I think next update on IAP screen: These cosmetics have no competitive advantage

[jolly bear]

WHAT OMG DID I JUST ALMOST DO THE FIRST QUEST WHICH IS BUGGED?
@ruby parcel is it the season quest ? Please tell me where the questgiver location in hidden forest map

[prime lintel]

Like Kai said, this change does not take people using voice chat or external services into account. I've had many experiences when my friends and I would be boogieing in Sky together while chatting on Discord to make plans because it's easier that way. The new afk system wouldn't register those interactions as they're not directly occurring in game.

[subtle sundial]

Yeah. Now people will just download accessibility apps and setup macros. Then Sky will start affecting our controls to require more "random" interaction.

[warped geyser]

Yeah and it goes with appreciation, not just "oh ahaha i made money from you time to dip"

[spark lance]

i wish i could help more in this discussion but i always run alone so i can't tell the difference of the afk system

[chrome ivy]

More people getting toxic right now.

[ionic bluff]

No ones getting toxic, some people are just expressing their thoughts and dislikes on a new feature

[carmine thorn]

Maybe they should let us unlock VC in game.

[tough quest]

Try to keep in mind that TGC is doing their best to balance the game while also making it fun to play. Also, theyre real people who read this forum, so making feedback constructively focused is better

[radiant drum]

Thats a helpful contribution to the discussion, a different point of view! Being neutral about the change is perfectly fine

[subtle sundial]

The game just isn't competitive, it doesn't exploit other players to manage to get free hearts or a few extra candles.

[sullen relic]

jokes on us, everything through the VC goes through a honk filter

[warped geyser]

it has to be developed for a very very long time to not be buggy or have a way to hack into it but this is such a good idea

[halcyon canopy]

Thank you!

[tawdry pine]

That implies that in order to play we have to pay. The update only prevents AFK players from getting light (harsh, but we can give feedback in #beta-feedback to change it)
I'm mostly a free to play player, the AFK thing won't affect me since I'm either active in the game or offline and doing something else, some one that can't play for long could always write something quick in chat to prevent full on afk

[prime lintel]

Also for me, I personally don't need constant chatting/socialization while candle running as I can't really chat myself if I'm flying. I often uber 1-2 friends that stay silent most of the time, then we chat for 10+ minutes to hours sometimes afterward. They don't need to be focused completely on their screens for the entire candle run, and I understand and respect what they're doing in those moments.

[verbal hare]

Hey...are Android users still unable to Download? Or is it just me?

[mortal frigate]

Well rip

[spark lance]

Its a recipe for disaster if TGC releases the update.

[chrome ivy]

One of the TOS says that you can't use Macro or aka botting the game *mistyped

[ruby parcel]

I DID THE BUGGED MISSION

[subtle sundial]

So, it won't be organic behavior and socialization anymore.

[fluid quail]

[wooden raptor]

This is taking away the free will of being afk or not. Don’t you see the difference? It’s just not right. Just because one is able to play actively, why do you assume everyone should do the same? I thought sky embraced all players

[mortal frigate]

Rip no more free wax

[bright portal]

we need the afk system because we play ranked games in sky and we dont want our team overfeed the krills again

For legal reasons its a joke

[spark lance]

im sure they'll edit or tweak it or just remove it when they read the chat everyone, so please don't be too angry, they might fix it in the next update

[warped geyser]

Yeah there's a lot of discussion about autoclickers now, which is really bad for the community.

[chrome ivy]

Sky is a shooter game.

[hasty dew]

The new season doesn’t help much either. I know beta isn’t the final product, but it seems very pushy. Especially with 90% of the cosmetics players want most having been moved to adventure pass. It feels as if instead of saying “we appreciate our player base helping us to improve the game, we hope they will support us” it’s more of “give us your money, or you won’t get cool cosmetics ”.
Of course, this is just my personal opinion. Don’t take it too seriously

[crystal forum]

who else hates the new uber thing

[royal hamlet]

What does beta invite look like?....im old

[spark lance]

I actually dont know why im so angry since im a solo player

[radiant drum]

Please read #beta-faq

[dusk igloo]

EVERY SINGLE ACTION TGC DOES ABOUT CANDLES IN BETA: exists
every player:

[chrome ivy]

Botting the game is against TOS. Don't talk about it. *I actually going to see TOS and botting is not allowed

[jolly bear]

Can anyone tell me which Tree have the Quest giver ? I only found people said the Main tree while there are a lot of Tree house rigth now--

[ionic bluff]

The problem is, if this does go to live, that could become more of a reality. It’s better to just leave everything as it is then heighten the chance of people hacking

[gaunt oak]

I feel like some people are getting a little to agressive calling the companies names and other players Keep on mind developing any game overall is not easy and tgc is one of the few companies that takes very direct feedback from players. Let’s discuss more calmly and keep sending feedback to tgc in #beta-feedback hopefully things will get better and tgc will come to an understanding

[sullen relic]

well...we do technically have a giant trebuchet in wasteland, and then an entire cannon on top of the office...

[spark lance]

It's like they took a step forward with the chevron thing then took double the steps back when introducing afk

[crystal forum]

does tgc not understand we have a life outside of sky

[subtle sundial]

The point is that to actively combat these TOS reqs through programming, there is no choice but to constantly increase the bar for normal interactions to the point where it is no longer possible to behave organically.

[zealous badger]

A question, the wax not coming to you lag or is it to make people prove they aren't AFK by touching the screen?

[tawdry pine]

Yes you're right on that

[timid bough]

does players don't understand tgc has a life outside of sky

[prime lintel]

I think the issue right now is that players are interpreting the new changes as a sort of way to micromanage the way people play the game. People play Sky in many different ways and have their own unique experiences, so changing something that the playerbase thought was a non-issue to direct players to a specific way of playing has been a difficult change to work through.

[bright portal]

They do with the daily light system then it felt like the statement was retracted with the afk system

[warped geyser]

Sky is getting less wholesome the more restrictions that are out

[wind dragon]

Maybe tgc is pushing the social thing

[viral atlas]

Why don't they just add what all the sky kids desire(like modification to friends constilation, friends management or something) instead tgc is coming up with new ideas which no one asked for and trying to implement them.

There are thousands of messages in #wishlist-and-ideas all for nothing?

[subtle sundial]

Setting up bot macros to attempt to logically determine if we are behaving organically is not even sensible.

[ruby parcel]

i love the new season cosmetics they would go so well with my capes but I have no AP Cries in poor

[rain mantle]

Rebalancing the first green cape in ages, and only the second green cape made with a unique model from the Tier 1/2 capes, to be AP-exclusive also felt bad for a lot of people I know. Just a side tangent but I've noticed this viewpoint in a few circles I'm in.

[zealous badger]

Because if that is something that is part of the AFK system, it's awful, because it also effects those of us who are actively running too. I'm constantly having to stop to touch my screen just to get the wax I JUST BURNED!

[neat stream]

I think if the AFK system is okay except the timer should be longer like 20-30 minutes but that might be because I don’t understand people who ask for a lead and then say they’ll go afk to do stuff that takes over 45-60 minutes.
(I had one player who asked me to lead them on a cr while they take a shower- I just- I just don’t understand )

[spark lance]

The issue is that the entire uber system is built around this. If they take it away, people who even just leave for 3 minutes to get snacks or water or something will be disadvantaged, let's not even get started on those who do assignments while being ubered just to save up for the ridiculously high cosmetic prices

[ionic bluff]

I really don’t wanna feel like I’m forced to be social. Maybe I just wanna sit under the tree and collect wax for a while while doing homework and not worry about that being completely useless? Maybe listen to the relaxing noise of the game while doing that?

[tawdry pine]

I better drop off the AFK thing, getting angry/upset over something minimal in the grand scheme of things won't do any good to me
I apologize if any of my comments came of as rude

[timid bough]

it isn't as easy as people think to modify existing systems or add existing systems

[hasty dew]

we do...and we try to consider that when making suggestions. we try our best never to get upset at tgc when something we dislike comes out. instead we give them feedback on how to improve it.

[vast bay]

Ktjn

The afk timer is short for testing purposes, we want to make sure things are working correctly before adding anything else.

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[spark lance]

The fact that they would rather introduce a useless update that’s getting a lot of lash instead of a cute wholesome update that a lot of people suggested/would love

[subtle sundial]

It definitely is a way to micromanage the way players play.

[gusty stratus]

some players are gonna resort to auto clicker if that happens, oh well

[zealous badger]

What would that cute one be?

[wind dragon]

At that point people will cr by themselves

[tough barn]

Ok I am actually upset about this. Bc some ppl do have to go somewhere and do things. We all can't dedicate all our time to the game. Lately I've had less time for the game. So friends who are willing to drag me around for a few minutes is helpful. Especially when I can't afford to buy candles either. Also, I don't think it's social engaging. As a player who also drag around afk ppl, I enjoy it. It's nice to have another person there even if they can't talk. Is it better to have them engage by honking and using emotes and playing music? Sure yeah but not having someone with me is worse than eing alone in the most times. This is discourage players from playing when they barely have time. I sincerely hope they get rid of this feature.

[sullen relic]

that's actually raised a point i haven't thought of until now -- doesn't this have the potential of slowing down group runs when someone needs to step away for a few minutes if the group leader's the type who would stop and wait for their friend to ensure they get everything?

[bright portal]

Ive been seeing people saying its their game and they can do whatever they want

As a consumer and giving my money to support them, i think i should be able to say as well, politely ofc

[timid bough]

idk maybe you ignored the new swing and other features added to the treehouse? or is it not wholesome enough

[ionic bluff]

exactly. They wanted to reduce things like this, and the afk updates just gonna encourage it more

[prime lintel]

I can definitely empathize with that viewpoint, but I merely wanted to sum up how players are perceiving the change rather than assume TGC's motivations

[crystal forum]

the new no uber thing got on my nerves because i don't have a lot of time laying around and me and my friends just uber each other around so.. Congratulations TGC I cannot play anymore because I simply have so much school work. and no i will not be buying candles from the shop like we all know you want.

[viral atlas]

Nope I don't think they should implement the system all together
because with a new system there comes new buys and players in live didn't sign up for that.(jus saying)

Address the necessities before implement restrictions.

[rain mantle]

Honestly I feel like that's the key issue here; ubers, and candle runs as a whole, are a result of people feeling that they need to spend time to gather very large amounts of candle to afford certain endgame cosmetics. If the candle prices of cosmetics were lower, it would probably drastically change how people play or farm the game.

[chrome ivy]

I think the update is out of context for now....

[tough barn]

Please don't bring that to Live

[dusk igloo]

IT'S TGC'S GAME AND I CHOOSE HOW TO PLAY MY COPY

[wind dragon]

Honestly they should do it for the bloom tree

[spark lance]

TGC said they wanted to balance their game. How is this balancing??

[prime lintel]

My friends and I have stopped for friends that needed to step away in Wasteland or Vault
it does slow them down, yes

[chrome ivy]

USSR. Our Candles

[radiant drum]

Just a reminder to send constructive feedback about any changes in #beta-feedback if you haven't already. Discussing with other players here is fine, but TGC won't see the points you make here

[wind dragon]

Ah okay

[subtle sundial]

The intent doesn't make sense because Sky isn't competitive.

[warped geyser]

Yeah but it just feels greedy of them. We try our best to grind with friends and bond over appreciation and then this

[viral atlas]

Hope everyone is submitting their valuable feedbacks in #beta-feedback
(jus reminding, this is the only thing which can change everything)

[zealous badger]

=_= It effects me and I'm actively running, because I'm using a controller it doesn't even register that I'm not AFK because I'm not touching my screen very much. Okay, this is problematic.

[tawdry pine]

Let's also keep things respectful over in feedback

[tough barn]

I totally agree. It should be kept there only if that's the issue. I actually super enjoy ubering afk ppl around bc it feels like I have someone with me but I don't have to here over honking or talking when I'm in a hurry

[gusty stratus]

ye, I just hope tgc change their mind and come up with another alternative idk, we shall see I guess

[rapid stirrup]

the afk thing is def going to have impact on the uber system... ngl, i perfer passengers that are semi-afk and will just respond if i spam honk lol. ppl chat and honk and it clutters up my screen and i feel like i have to respond so it slows me down also if they're not constantly paying attention they don't see me bonking into walls constantly

[hasty dew]

yes, most of us know this. however, that doesn’t mean we can’t give feedback or criticism on the game. I agree that some people are being a bit harsh by labeling tgc as a money hungry company, though

[mortal pendant]

I figured I could give my two cents to this discussion. I’ll defend both points of view for a second. 1 (My point of view). I am a part time worker, full time college student. If I’m being honest I don’t have the time to do full candle runs, but I also don’t buy candles. Often times I’ll have a friend Uber me while I do homework or take a nap. Other times I’ll be chatting with them in person or through discord, often eating or such. 2 (TGC’s point of view) They just added a new little tree to give light to people hanging out under the tree. Then they discovered that people are just a afking under it to passively farm wax. It is possible they didn’t think about ubering and just wanted to fix the one issue without real the mammoth wave that was over that one problem.

[tender oasis]

If players are already thinking how to bypass the system, i don't consider that as a good sign

[crystal forum]

you know i think if that update does come into live i will give everybody my disc and say farewell

[wispy mulch]

First the new candle system, now the afk thing, man this year is not for cr ubers

[wind dragon]

The person who is leading for cr now is gonna be getting the wax if the others are afk. Everyone gonna cr by themselves if they implemented this in the live version

[timid bough]

feedback is important i can see people giving sensible, valuable feedback towards TGC
im mostly referring to people who nitpick points

[tawdry pine]

Solo players on the other hand-

[viral atlas]

tgc hammering down on candle collectors

[spark lance]

I don’t thing TGC realizes that a lot of people rely on being afk to get wax because a lot of people get ubered while doing school work or work. Maybe just maybe if they didn’t make it so hard to get hearts/wAx (which getting wax has become easier) and if they didn’t make it so expensive to buy candles people wouldn’t feel the need to do this as much.

[crystal forum]

tgc doesn't realize a lot of things

[chrome ivy]

||We ruined it
The playerbase will disappointing
-One of the staff at Office||

[tough barn]

Sadly yeah. I don't think this is beneficial tho anyone here

[hasty dew]

ah, okay. thank you for clearing that up. Sorry

[mortal pendant]

I think one issue was seen and addressed but it was a much deeper hole than the one issue and by fixing a minor issue opened up well... just look at the discussion.

[wispy mulch]

TGC: we give you cheap hair in days of bloom
Community: yay
TGC: and take away everything else
Community:

[rapid stirrup]

players are always going to do that because the demand for candles is still too taxing. i feel like this afk thing tries to solve a small symptom of a much larger root issue ><

[prime lintel]

TGC can't read minds, which is why it's important to submit constructive criticism in #live-feedback so they know how the playerbase is feeling about the new changes

[craggy karma]

What are your thoughts about the afk system
Should we remove the system completely and never touch it again?

[chrome ivy]

||It was Sky office one of the staff saying the quote||

[hasty dew]

I think it’s a good idea, it just needs some improvement

[warped geyser]

The Afk system is useless and Yes

[timid bough]

for me, the afk system is kinda redundant and does nothing

[crystal forum]

but it isn't really rocket science to know the type of rebound this would have

[spark lance]

I saw someone say their entire group would be quitting sky if this new system goes live because they all take turns ubering while the others do schoolwork

[solid ridge]

I think the afk system is just useless, but hear me out, we already need to be looking at the screen and interacting with it, that being when we change zones and need to give hand/take our friend(s) hands, help on doors, and even go home and enter another realm, so we do need to be aware of the game at least every 5-10 minutes, so why? Me and my friend take turns to lead since she has homework to and I have job to do, but we need to do cr even if it's a bit because ts are expensive and we want to be able to get stuff and enjoy the customization

[spark lance]

We're to test a system that is a response to us testing a passive system that will come to live with a mere fraction of obtainable light. Huh.

[wind dragon]

Maybe for 30min to 1hr will be fine

[spark lance]

reading this chat makes me so sad cause people are usually so wholesome in the discord and now it's just like a roaring bonfire

[warped geyser]

I say that as well, our friend group would move on probably and i'd have no one to cr with

[neat stream]

Yeah same

[tough barn]

Personally, I think the deeper issue is that everyone cost far too many candles, so we have to farm and grind everyday to get what we want, (which ruins the beauty of the game) and forces us to Uber and be ubered around.

[crystal forum]

yeah, this time it's different

[chrome ivy]

Too much out of context. The AFK system was placeholder

[timid bough]

they try to receive feedback for features, its the reason beta exists in the first place

[mortal pendant]

I think it needs some thought. I think if the player isn’t moving, including other people moving them, it would then activate. (From what I gathered the original purpose was. To prevent afk farming in one place.)

[stone marsh]

I don't understand this is all because of the tree at home why don't they just have AFK active at home and not the rest of the game. AFK CR were never a problem this is cause people stayed home over night to collect light from the tree. So why change the whole game over one area??

[jolly bear]

Personally, I think the deeper issue is that everyone cost far too many candles, so we have to farm and grind everyday to get what we want, (which ruins the beauty of the game) and forces us to Uber and be ubered around.
@tough barn this i agree

[trim tusk]

Being afk was never an issue for the last 2 years

[ionic bluff]

The discord is gonna have its ups and downs like this. It’s inevitable

[prime lintel]

which is why the system is in beta first so they can get the feedback. For all we know, they just wanted to see how people would react to the changes. They can assume all they want about the playerbase, but the best way to test things is to actually put them in the testing grounds. It's best to not make assumptions about the company as we may not have the full story. All we can do it test out the new changes and give our feedback

[rain mantle]

I feel like the solution here is if TGC wants people to be more social in-game they need to implement features that provide in-game currency such as candle or hearts for doing social things; right now the concept of "run around realms you've explored for the umpteenth time" isn't exactly the most socially-engaging concept. Rewarding people with in-game currency for behaviors that involve engaging with other players would much more closely align with what TGC wants than implementing systems like the AFK timer which mostly just punish ubers as-is.

The problem with this, obviously, is that it makes the game even harder for solo players. Unfortunately there really doesn't feel like there's an easy fix here, but general sentiment seems to point at AFK timers definitely causing more problems in the community than they fix in the game itself.

[crystal forum]

that would be me.

[chrome ivy]

[spark lance]

Lots of people leave feedback but TGC doesn’t really listen to that either. Like the server splitting issue we’ve all been talking about just continues to be ignored

[radiant drum]

You can dislike the new system, but in general especially when giving feedback, please keep in mind to talk about your experience and how it impacts you, not speak in broader terms like everyone or most players. We are a very active, passionate but very small percentage of the community here, and there are all sorts of people with different views and play styles. Not everyone will like the system, not everyone will hate the system, so it's good to keep an open mind and speak for yourself as that's what's most important to them

[hasty dew]

I think it should depend on how long you’ve played. If you only joined like two months ago, then it’ll be very active. if you’ve been playing for a long time, it shouldn’t really effect your skid that much

[mortal pendant]

It’s possible that bug is really hard to fix.

[bold wolf]

It makes for an interesting time to observe and analyze the gaming psychology of different people, and also think about conflict resolution

[wind dragon]

they worry about afk system ubering thing but what about the hackers and cheaters??

[bright portal]

How do i socialize in the game when even talking to someone needs candles? Besides qr code

[timid bough]

server splits is a double edged sword that is hard to fix

[crystal forum]

EXACTLY

[prime lintel]

Just because you may not see immediate changes in the game doesn't mean they're not being worked on. Server splits have been an issue since the game began, and some bugs are just really, really hard to fix and/or the results of the fix may be worse than the actual thing they were trying to fix.

[chrome ivy]

Any feedback please take it to #beta-feedback

[spark lance]

The thing is is that they don’t even address it. That’s the problem

[wispy mulch]

How would they even tell between afk people and just people that didnt unlock chat yet??

[mortal pendant]

I’m just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[spark lance]

well i'm heading out for now and i hope everyone later relaxes and has a good day

[runic path]

Then just let the afk system only works in home space maybe...

[viral atlas]

There are lot of reason players can point out to completely remove the afk system(which wasn't even needed in the first place)
and
very few reasons to keep the afk system going.

I hope tgc makes wise decisions, a single wrong move will cost everyone so much.

[brittle egret]

how can i uber moths that goes afk and gets lost XD

[bright portal]

You dont need to chat to be indicated as non afk, just need to move the camera or honk

[proven igloo]

From what I'm getting from this, you don't have to talk, just have to do something

[tough barn]

They can tell in you don't touch the screen

[hasty dew]

I’m sure there’s a lot going on behind the scenes. Just like the piggyback glitch. Ktjn has already said it’s a very annoying bug to fix, so it’ll take some time. if it takes an entire year, so be it. we just have to be patient

[rapid stirrup]

yes yes! positive rewards for wanted behavior > negative punishment for unwanted behavior. ppl are always going to capitalize on passive wax. solution? no passive wax

[spark lance]

They don’t even address it. The least they could do it address that there’s a problem. I know they have lives outside of development of their games but it’s literally their job and career. It isn’t hard to just address the issue and say they’re attempting to fix it rather than leaving us all in the dark

[wind dragon]

It should be for the bloom tree tho

[timid bough]

words is a lower form of communication, they want people to interact some way before unlocking chat, or not unlocking chat at all ( i have friends like that)

[frosty basin]

I'm wondering on why they are implementing a permanent change just for a temporary event?

[tender oasis]

A very small percentage indeed, who seems like managed to generate this whole change by being half afk under the bloom tree for a day. Wish we had such effect on other, better things too

[crystal forum]

its more the fact they are even considering doing this

[fluid quail]

now that i remembered, I wonder what happened to that beta update were TS cosmetics isn't obtainable unless u have a pass

[ionic bluff]

Daily light was a positive change that a lot of people liked that was still controversial. I can’t imagine what THIS would be like if it goes to live because this is just gonna wreck the ubering system.

[rain mantle]

This is also a factor; gameplay requiring candles to engage with other players rather than providing candles for doing social things feels like it directly goes against TGC's stated goal of encouraging social behavior.

If you need candles to do something as simple as talk with other players, but can only get candles from running through worlds alone (since ubering makes even being 2 minutes away from the game a nonstarter), how exactly does it feel like this game rewards social behavior?

[wispy mulch]

Thats fine and all, but wrong execution in my opinion, not saying i could do it better nono but players are clearly angry-

[chrome ivy]

It's not permanent. It's beta so anything can change before to Live.

[prime lintel]

Except they have in the patch notes before? They've mentioned repeatedly that they've been trying to make changes/improvements to server stability (that includes server splits).

[frosty basin]

I understand that it can change but just why, the ubering system might end up messed up

[mortal pendant]

Just a friendly little reminder that all in all, TGC follows what it’s community wants, considering we are it’s source of income. We are allowed to make our voice heard, but perhaps getting riled up about it is not the best idea. I understand the feeling though.

[viral atlas]

implement this with afk thing in live and boom it's choas everywhere 😂

[tawny ivy]

You should send this in feedback. Good points

[wooden raptor]

And doing this to test the hard cap... wonder what we can influence by trying to test stuff 😂

[warped geyser]

I don't mean anything in a bad way, but tgc should probably take a break and fix the big bugs/ issues like the constellation and server stuff

[tough barn]

Which is odd since moving your screen doesn't make you anymore active to the player dragging you around.. -_- it just makes you more active to the game.. but the reason for this as they said is to be more socially engaging soooo doesn't make sense

[spark lance]

Oh okay, I haven’t seen those patch notes talking about that. I’ve only been playing for 6 months

[grim umbra]

Agreed , they deserve it

[chrome ivy]

I think you guys ruined the Cooldown timer.

[brittle egret]

i agree

[wispy mulch]

I can just give the phone to my cat and he'll CR for me

[proven igloo]

Yeah, I'm new, so this is all really confusing to me and I haven't experienced it for myself
I'm just trying to learn as I go

[spice surge]

Hi everyone, I’m not a beta tester but I’d like to know how the testings going, what are your opinions?

[timid bough]

server splits separates you from your friends, but its also the reason you got the 8 player door working

[wind dragon]

Let's keep our fingers crossed 🤞

[hasty dew]

I think it’s mostly a safety feature?? Since despite the wholesome community, I have met a couple of creepy people on Sky, sadly. If chat was a thing you got immediately after you friended someone, it’d be complete chaos

[ionic bluff]

Yeah. TGC should take a break for a while from seasons, like maybe a month or two or more from developing seasons and just zone in on to the base game, fixing bugs, quality of life improvements, and maybe some overhauls to fix up the game

[little void]

The only reason why I think an AFK timer would be useful would be if someone accidentally falls asleep during a candle run or something while in a dangerous area. I’ve fallen asleep in the rains of Hidden Forest and died before.

[mortal pendant]

Weeeellll the afk system is a huge topic rn.

[tough barn]

Hahaha

[spark lance]

There’s been times where I repeatedly get split from people and have to stop playing cause it won’t work. Server splits are a blessing and a curse 😩

[warped geyser]

It's going good for the most part! There's just a change where people who don't engage with the game for 2 minutes won't collect light anymore, which me and many others don't believe is a good idea

[bright portal]

WAIT, YOURE A GENIUS

[rapid stirrup]

if the timer is short enough to be a problem while being ubered, ppl would totally just set a timer, swipe the screen, reset the timer, and continue to do other stuff. just a bother, and not helpful to being more social

[spark lance]

Why would TGC go through the hassle of making a big update nobody wants rather than fix bugs is the question im asking

[wispy mulch]

I KNOW!

[timid bough]

yeah thats why i called it a double edged sword

[hasty dew]

I have a feeling it’ll take a bit more than a month or two, haha. I don’t mean that in mean way btw 😖

[frosty basin]

I personally hope that this doesn't get implemented into live if it affects other realms than homespace, I haven't had enough time to test out if it affects other realms.

[ionic bluff]

I said a month or two or more. However long it takes

[brittle egret]

it would be pretty sad

[wind dragon]

It probably affect the others too

[radiant drum]

Beta isn't only a testing ground for upcoming features, such as seasons and events that are for sure going forward. Beta is a testing grounds for ideas and systems they want to implement, but test it out for bugs and feedback first. There are many things in beta that have got all different kinds of feedback on that are Beta-only for several months

[spark lance]

It’s starting to affect all realms

[winged goblet]

i really hope the afk update does NOT go live

[high eagle]

Probably true but at least they’ll get more progress done on fixing other things?

[random gull]

I still don't understand who this system benefits though the type of afk that this is discouraging was hurting nobody (seriously if you didn't consent to your friends afk-ing while you lead DROP THEM) and it doesn't really seem to have any benefits to anyone else. SO I don't understand the reasoning behind it

[spark lance]

let’s just fight against this update for as long as we can

[timid bough]

some of you act like TGC is a single man handling everything, while it has some people in charge of bug fixing, 3d design, art team

[tough barn]

Totally agree, like maybe they should play the game see what THEY personally would fix about it. Have them play while busy and not busy and see what needs to be changed

[wispy mulch]

TGC is honestly killing their sanity and the community, days of bloom, new candle system, afk rule.. its all just cramped up, we need a break to handle each update, people still complain ab the system, the problems need to be fixed instead of adding new things

[half cypress]

I remember when the TS (Travelling Spirit) cosmetic paywall and Daily Lights features first came to beta and masses of players were bombarding the beta discussions with their opinions and criticisms.

Let us remember to utilize the #beta-feedback channel for these and future updates!
Although, a little bit of chaos in the morning is a great way to wake me up for the day.

[frosty basin]

Welp, I'm confused on how the uber system will work in beta, do we have to send a message or pan our screens every 5 or so minutes?

[grim umbra]

My opinion on AFK system , it's just weird for someone afk and ask an uber while they are like playing sky with work on assignment examples and they need to click screen every 2 minute in sky my hand will tiring this is just my opinion

[mortal pendant]

I can’t even read the chat is going by so fast.

[tropic trout]

After the constellation UI went to live I have a bit less faith in devs listening to feedback

[wind dragon]

You have to tap your screen every 2 minutes I believe or no wax

[wispy mulch]

Give it to your cat, its ingenious

[vast bay]

Ktjn

The afk timer is short for testing purposes, we want to make sure things are working correctly before adding anything else.

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[ionic bluff]

Definitely! I think it would be very beneficial to the game if they fix the base game and then go forward with more game updates like seasons, events, etc.

[brittle egret]

i personally dont really care if someone goes afk and gets free candles cos lets be happy with them, im broke but that doesnt mean they also have to be

[spark lance]

TGC needs to take a break, they should only make smaller updates for the sanity of both TGC and the community

[bright portal]

My cat moves lesser than me , it doesnt work-

[radiant drum]

Please keep in mind that auto-clickers or anything of sorts is against TOS and should not be mentioned or discussed here

[frosty basin]

I don't have a cat sadly.

[lethal girder]

I don't even have a cat

[plain shale]

This new system will just make players be farming alone instead they socialize more. It should be added only in event cases

[sullen relic]

you're right, it would actually be pretty weird -- i think the aim in that situation is actually for the player who has homework not to log into the game until after they're done, when they can actually be present rather than trying to work around the AFK mechanics

[wispy mulch]

Well there goes my honk opera idea

[timid bough]

TGC has different teams to do things....
you do not want the art team to do nothing and expect pay

[barren moss]

i've waited almost three hours for someone to come and complete the three player quest with me i'm gonna cry

[edgy nexus]

What does the fearbot do?

[mortal pendant]

The biggest problem with the afk system is not what it does, it’s what it will cause. I could totally see players starting to use things against tos in order to get candles.

[radiant drum]

Do you wanna find out?

[viral atlas]

and yet those still exist in beta and one of those two made into live and it won't take too long for the other to make it to live

this makes me wonder if tgc even cares about over opinion?
(well what choice do we have expect to rant and pass our opinions in feedback, welp)

[valid stirrup]

New afk sytem 🙏🙏🙏 , woww you guys outdid yourselves congrats, and not to forget the forging system ( at least add a button to turn it off/ on so that people can choose how they want to play)

[little ledge]

Wanted to express my opinion- Personally for me the AFK system doesn’t work— I can be quite busy, I’m a student that’s still in school so when I need to do school work I can rely on friends to drag me around. I’m also an Uber on here when I am available, and I’m sure it would be rather frustrating for others who have the same issue as me (being busy and all) to not be collecting wax after being afk for some time. I hope this doesn’t go live because it would make me so much more less motivated to farm everyday. And with the new candle forging system there’s already a lot more collect to get the same amount of candles before it was implemented as it is.

[wind dragon]

Tgc is pushing socialism but they gonna make people solo cr by themselves

[hasty dew]

[wispy mulch]

But nothing else needs to be added, the problem is in the things that WERE added, not the things that arent people are STILL complaining on the new system

[frosty basin]

Well, imo the afk system makes me want to solo run more as it easier than having to send a message or pan my screen every 5 minutes while doing work.

[timid bough]

daily light is already balanced in beta and sooner or later in live

[vast bay]

Ktjn

The afk timer is short for testing purposes, we want to make sure things are working correctly before adding anything else.

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Sent in #beta-testing-discussion | Quote requested by Seraph#2000 | 824067387417559061 · Mar 23, 2021, 11:49 PM

[wooden raptor]

What if you have limited active playing time and all you could do will be cr only. You won’t have possiblity to engage with friends. It will make that person more and more alone

[random gull]

is Mirian about to bean people

[grim umbra]

The AFK system perhaps it won't work for me , cuz i always do CR solo unless my friend leading me CR but my hand is like gonna spam emot even though me and my friend leading

[spark lance]

People who go to school, work or anythin else that keeps them busy: Adios

[fluid quail]

reason? it's that dam tree kai 😂

[lusty light]

A lot of you are getting super hung up over exact time of the timer when it’s already been said that it’s short to test that it’s functioning properly

[tough barn]

Yess. My friends and I were saying it would be awesome if they took a step back from seasons for a while. Then put in a "season or nostalgia" or sum and have all the season spirit come back. Let that be the season for awhile as they focus on improving the game.

[radiant drum]

Pins are good, pins are great 😌 And no, while that message does not answer everyone's concerns, it answers some of the concerns over the pretty much ridiculous 5 minute timer lol

[bright portal]

Its 1am and here i am looking at beta chat going wild as i have class in 7 hours

[valid stirrup]

Well said , they are forcing too many agendas these days, the height spectrum , the random chat sensors( idk if its bug )

[warped geyser]

Aaa true but i don't think it's useful even if it's longer. just my opinion though

[craggy karma]

I hope that they should just abandon the idea of afk system all together

[mortal pendant]

The hardest part about sky is the grind. I have a very busy life outside of sky and still have to put countless time into it to get anything worth value, or spend my hard earned money.

[tough barn]

Exactly. I like the extra person there tbh

[timid bough]

height is something they want variety in players, if it weren't random everyone would either be tallest or shortest

[wind dragon]

Wise words Kokichi

[vagrant heart]

Having an afk system where the timer is say.. 30 minutes to an hour sounds great to me tbh.

[brittle egret]

THIS

[lusty light]

The height spectrum has been in game since launch, and if you’re experiencing the game censoring innocent phrases please submit a bug report so it can be fixed

[radiant drum]

Yeah @lusty light disable the system please since you have total control over it! (Just kidding, please leave that sort of feedback in #beta-feedback as mods are regulars players just as you)

[rain mantle]

While it is good to hear back from TGC that the current short two-minute AFK timer is just set short for testing purposes, it would be much, much more reassuring to the community if they at least gave a broad idea of how long they plan to set it for (i.e. would they think 5 minutes is acceptable? 10 minutes? 20 or 30?)

As it stands right now, most of us are judging the AFK feature on its two-minute timer, which is obviously a major nonstarter for many players. If TGC was more open with their plans for the feature it might help assuage issues/fears. At the very least it would give a clearer idea of what they want to do with the feature.

[warped geyser]

What?

[frosty basin]

Isn't the bloom system like 2 weeks? If the afk system gets implemented, I would assume it was permanent?

[valid stirrup]

What's wrong ? If someone doesn't want to be small how can you force them to?

[spark lance]

Is anyone still waiting for the Beta to be released?

i’ve been ranting for like an hour on this jeez

[jolly bear]

What is Height Spectrum ? What kind of system is this ?

[ionic bluff]

They’re saying everyone would want to be the same height. Alot of people wanna be really tall

[timid bough]

i would love the afk system to make you immune to damage to prevent people dying overnight

[spark lance]

they said the height system was about players loving themselves instead of constantly trying to change

[rapid stirrup]

they're trying to future-proof for future passive wax things i think

[half cypress]

Unfortunately, yes. The latter of the two did make it to Live. However, it could be possible that more people used the discussion channel than the feedback channel during that time. As what many mods and community elders have stated, TGC does not look in the discussion channel for feedback.

I will continue to advocate the use of the #beta-feedback channel when applicable so that we may all have a place to properly express what we think of these changes.

[chrome ivy]

AFK system you fool, what had you done! Half Life

[wispy mulch]

Attacko supports geno's version! 30 minutes would be enough to go "ok theyre gone"

[grim umbra]

Bean system when

[tender oasis]

Why is it great?

[rain mantle]

This would unironically be a useful feature for when people DC or step away from the game for a few seconds in dangerous areas; I'd highly suggest mentioning that in feedback.

[radiant drum]

They might have mentioned the Days of Bloom as a example of behavior they want to discourage, not exactly their immediate goal. Which is probably why they also decided to implement it in all the realms and not just limit the tree

[craggy karma]

Here's the irony
players who are afk and sitting beneath the blossom wont get waxes for being AFK, the waxes just continue to drop but they player is not collecting it
All them have to do is touch the screen once and suddenly all the waxes got collected. Literally defeating the purpose of the AFK system

[valid stirrup]

I've spent like nearly a 100 ascended Candles on the potions , and not just me most of them feel sad after they take the potion! Its not good just my 2 cents

[ionic bluff]

30 minutes would still make some major changes tho. It could still mess up the ubering system

[spark lance]

Its actually just as simple to send a message in #beta-feedback as it is here so, vroom vroom

[lusty light]

That means you aren’t afk though, people were literally leaving their devices on overnight

[vagrant heart]

Yeah if someone was afk for up to 30 minutes to an hour they probably won’t be coming back for a while and are obviously doing some other things. The timer is just short right now in beta so y’all don’t have to sit there for an hour just to see if you want get light, since that’s just tiring TGC just wants to see if the system will actually work if someone has used up the timer and has been afk.

[radiant drum]

The tree wax disappears after some time though, so it's not like you can wait and get a wax party (believe me, I tried )

[wispy mulch]

But still better than 2 minutes

[random gull]

on the height thing: I got shortest height without buying a single resize from ark spell shop. purely from resizes I got in blessing spells from spirits. and no I am not ever taking another resize again the randomness is to encourage a variety of skykid sizes but it doesn't stop people from still obtaining the exact size they want. scale is a second factor in skykid variety as well as the various outfits we make and the fact that two similarly sized people at height 3080 and 3090 out of 4000 aren't the same size even though they may look it

[static lily]

overnight???????

that's so not healthy for the phones

[ionic bluff]

It’s still a big difference for a 2-3 hour candle run. You would still have to keep checking

[chrome ivy]

I think the AFKier have Linus Phone Cooling Setup

[craggy karma]

Frying pans

[tough barn]

I want to but I'm scared 👀 If I see others messaging there I will tho

[wooden raptor]

I don’t see a great thing about taking away the ability from a player to get lights while they are afk. Handholding is a feature in game and if we can’t choose what we do or not, what’s the point?

[bright portal]

Afking overnight to get like 2 candles total

[spark lance]

now, if the afk system timer was 10 years..

[wispy mulch]

Well if they insist to add this in, the least they can do is give a reasonable amount of time, we can always leave stuff in #beta-feedback to offer time periods

[viral atlas]

In order to control/manage few "misplaying" players
why punish all?

[vagrant sequoia]

If u have it at 100% it should be fine

[static lily]

literally exactly

[rustic imp]

Messages in #beta-feedback are sent and delivered after a second. After that only server staff will see it

[frosty basin]

Though I tested leaving my phone afk while in school in live, which is the average time I sleep, though I noticed that wax rates are much higher in beta and I barely got 2 candles in live.

[rapid stirrup]

this just shows that there's a much larger issue with the candle economy x-x

[valid stirrup]

All I'm.saying is this ,if they don't see themselves in that size please don't force ' height spectrum' stuff on them🙏

[spark lance]

reminds me of school

[wispy mulch]

This tbh

[radiant drum]

Messages there get eaten up by Skybot and delivered privately to the devs

[tender oasis]

I understand the timer being short, but don't see who will benefit from a 30 mins timer. If the uber is annoyed by afk ppl they can drop them, if its a mutual agreement then its just punishment. Plus the leader wouldn't even see if the other one is afk or not unless they lose hands or the other one doesn't answer.

[craggy karma]

This system is really punishing tbh, the blossom tree will only persists for a few days after the event

[kindred elbow]

[static lily]

as someone who received this treatment during elementary, i can attest that this method 100% sucks

[sudden flower]

don't be scared to send feedback, that's why we're here! it'll help to have a variety of opinions even if you feel like yours is unconventional. and tgc is just human too!

also, you won't see others messaging in there even though they are. that's because your message gets eaten by the bot and delivered to tgc as soon as you send it, so other players can't see

[spark lance]

It’s actually kinda suprising how much backlash this system is getting, ofc i hate this system but its just suprising

wait so you're telling me, skybot is a stomach?

[radiant drum]

Maybe just a mouth

[bright portal]

Idk why i imagined a bald skykid robot walking up to them and printed out all the feedbacks from the mouth

[chrome ivy]

The Devs should make it only on home space or the "toxic" on this channel won't happen

[spark lance]

Like I said in feedback this morning, it isn't like anyone is gonna campout in Live under that tree when the tree is going to give but a fraction of what we saw in beta. Same thing happened with the fortune dragon.

[craggy karma]

Its like that one time, TGC tested adventure pass Travelling spirits
it was never implemented to live

[vagrant heart]

It’s not “punishing” everyone. It’s just a system to discourage people from leaving Sky running for hours on end while they’re either dragged around by their friends when they aren’t truly there or just sitting idle. Why not be active with your friends and chat while candle running or play music for them? What’s the point of having Sky open if you’re not enjoying it?

[gilded parrot]

[spark lance]

For the sake of TGC and everyone in sky, they should leave this topic of the system behind

[static lily]

being active is not social engagement. candle running alone is active but not socially engaging, and it is not punished by the afk system

[spark lance]

thatskymoth? i think they meant thatskymouth but skybot doesnt have fingers

this channel really made me think things,,,,,

[valid stirrup]

Atleast the chat here gives me hope

[rose surge]

this is testing discussion, of course we're supposed to discuss the flaws of the system tested.

[craggy karma]

Im being social interactive with candle runs

[spark lance]

People can still tap their phones to feign engagement. This system doesn't resolve the root problem.

[chrome ivy]

Let their phone overheating I guess. For Phone review purpose

[vagrant sequoia]

Suddenly this channel turned into gen chat

[radiant drum]

Instead of focusing on the tree itself, think of the system as a general change they probably have been thinking about for some time. You can still dislike it! but I don't think their purpose is to just limit Days of Bloom AFKing

[wooden raptor]

That doesn’t mean they don’t enjoy sky. Some players don’t have enough time to do cr and socialize. What your saying is just be active do your cr in your active time and log off. This will only make players lonely. Not social

[half cypress]

I used to leave my previous phone on and plugged in (in the live version) overnight while I slept. The sounds were soothing, especially in the shrine room for the water trial.

My poor battery did not like that one bit. I already knew about good battery hygiene, but I was growing careless as my phone was over three years old at the time.

I should not have done that. Eh, new phone new me.

Not sure where I was going with that- Oh! Players who do this sort of thing will end up paying a hefty price in the end. I do not think it is worthwhile, but I can not control how others treat their devices.

[spark lance]

No, I mean TGC should just not make this update and leave it behind forever

[timid bough]

it isn't the first thing they left behind

[spark lance]

they added a new system but im still waiting for the day we get skykid chicken nuggets

[rose surge]

maybe tgc can make chevrons last longer if you're holding a friend's hand? that would do much better work to encourage social interactions instead of punishing us

[vagrant sequoia]

I think there are bg musics of sky on youtube

[frosty basin]

I believe that TGC should just focus on the bugs such as crashing and lag first before attempting to implement a new system

[high eagle]

Yummy....

[craggy karma]

What's the point of leaving the phones overnight? Its not like, the wax suddenly appear next to the player at random and players can abuse it?

[dim parrot]

Maybe people are busy? Maybe they have to multitask? What do we know about the life of others? We should have the choice on how to play! And with my fiends it’s always an agreement! Not everyone has the amount of free time per day! And the game is about helping each other! So it’s a beautiful help to for me when I can take my friends around , while they are busy with something!

[spark lance]

agree

[gritty wagon]

Some players don't have time to hop on and personally with my friend group we do AFK hand warmers due to work and or school projects, etc... So I'm not sure how this new system is going to help a lot of the community that do the same

[static lily]

but also - i understand tgc has received backlash, some unfairly in the past, so if they want the afk system live they can absolutely go with it. i can always find ways to cope with it

[vagrant sequoia]

Im waiting for krill fried chicken and maybe some attackos

[proud sierra]

I don’t like to afk but I don’t mind leading afk friends. When they’re busy and I help them get candles (because the prices for everything are too high and we’re forced to afk with an uber), we build friendship over appreciation, and I feel good helping someone. What’s wrong with getting candles even though you afk, if cosmetics aren’t supposed to be a ranking thing and just things we enjoy and want? And perhaps they want more candles so they can upgrade friendship trees with me? There’s nothing wrong with it.

Still I think the afk system will be great if it closes the game after 4+ hours of afk, in case someone fell asleep since overheating causes a lot of problems and can even be dangerous. If you’re still afk on a candle run then, it isn’t hard at all to move the camera a bit or honk after that long.

But let’s not be too harsh on TCG, they just wanted to improve socialization apparently... and we don’t know of any other good features they might be planning to add onto this yet... just continue giving constructive feedback and let them know this isn’t the sort of socialization we want.

And sorry for this text wall

[foggy atlas]

The afk system just ain’t it

[bright portal]

If the idea is to discourage overheating devices , then instead just have the app close after 1 hour of inactivity , with some vibration warnings beforehand maybe

[proven igloo]

I do runs with one person most of the time, and we usually switch off for half of the realms... We do this because we're both busy people with hectic lives... So I am somewhat nervous about the system

[sudden flower]

Being active with friends is one way to play Sky, but friends who help each other out by taking each other on candle runs when the passengers are busy is also a form of kindness I've often seen in Sky. plus there's already an "afk timer" in that you naturally can't afk for too long in CRs without letting your hand holding split anyway.

[spark lance]

Just a reminder that it’s easy to send a message in #beta-feedback so It’d be nice if you could help express your feelings to TGC there

[timid bough]

there is difference people in charge of different things...
its like that one time someone complained why TGC cared so much about the chevron UI being misaligned while it was a request from the ones handling the UI department

[rapid stirrup]

something similar to this would work great! added benefits for running in groups! i prefer to take ppl with me to run forest/gw bc of the passive regen, and will actively look for ppl when i want to run those realms!

[static lily]

i've already sent my message there, but i guess saying something in the chat can make people think

[broken fractal]

Instead of not getting wax, what if tgc made it so we got a pop up notice (or warning) complete with sound, that we have been afk for too long?

[rain mantle]

I think the big issue here is that the system, as-is, is not identical to how it will be in final implementation. The AFK timer is just currently set to 2 minutes to see if it works, the communications from TGC staff suggest that it's going to be different in live. But right now everyone's impressions of the feature are being colored by a 2-minute AFK timer having significant implications for how the game is played. It's obvious that this would be perceived negatively by the community.

Most of what's happening right now feels like people expressing dissatisfaction with the feature as-implemented, which (according to TGC) isn't how they plan to implement it in live. If TGC wants useful feedback on the AFK system, it would be best for them to update the system to a timer duration that more closely reflects what they want the feature to look like in live.

[spark lance]

the fact that the tree came to live on my bday makes me think i just cursed the game

[rose surge]

Again, I feel like this would be way better to actually encourage, and yes I'll put this in #beta-feedback

[craggy karma]

Also like this:
Leaves phone overnight
<The game disables wax collecting>
the phone is still on overnight
If anything, force the game closes is more effective than disabling wax collecting

[grim umbra]

Infact , my sky reset timezone is in always when my class just over which mean my phone is like dying 20%-10% [ after using them for school ] and i usually also only for 5/6 minute just do quest and CR some area after that i should continue my assignment

[dim parrot]

A lot of us are! 😔 let’s hope for the best and that TGC will find a fair solution for everyone!

[half cypress]

This is a pretty good idea! Maybe even have it set to enter a sort of "sleep mode" after thirty minutes or so.

[radiant drum]

Yeah they're not just going to increase the timer and ship it to live. We're certainly getting more beta updates on this

[static lily]

what is the afk timer timing? is it "how long you have been afk" or "how long you are resting before you go afk"?

[vagrant heart]

This system won’t be implemented in live (if at all) for a very long time. There’s lots of feedback and testing that needs to be done.

[sly cairn]

Tgc: here’s new cr system for busy people

Also tgc: here’s afk system because if you’re not beeping 24-7 no wax for you

[sudden flower]

I support TGC a lot but I don't really like how TGC is lowkey forcing us to play the game the way they want instead of trusting that players are still getting enjoyment out of the game by our own style of playing. like pls don't treat us like literal children tgc

[little void]

Hot take: instead of using the timer for wax collection, use it to protect kids that go AFK in Wasteland and Forest (like if someone accidentally falls asleep or gets krilled during an Uber)

[viral atlas]

let's all be honest(whoever is not a new player) there is nothing fun in candle running.
I know, you know, we know and tgc also knows probably.

If you trying to make changes anyway then get a complete overhaul to entire candle system, change how you get candles.

Connect earning candles to sky game's moto friendship, instead everything seems upside down.

Tgc's inspiring kind quotes are just being words rather than actions(it feels like every tgc's move has an ulterior motive)

[ionic reef]

yeah the game it’s always crashing we couldn’t even think about being inactive

[radiant drum]

How long you are inactive before the AFK thing kicks in (and you don't collect currency). So I collect wax for 5 minutes, and after that no more (if im not moving the screen that whole time)

[tough quest]

A lot of this seems like an argument to boost the chevron system. People dont have time to do 2-3 hours of wax collecting, so they use ubers. But maybe gaining all wax for a day shouldnt take 2-3 hours. 2-3 hours in one game is a lot, but high prices kind of encourage it. Might be healthier for the game if it only took an hour to max (edit: max daily candles), and left another hour for free socializing or whatever with friends

[little void]

This. This is brilliant.

[static lily]

so it's like "you are inactive for 5 minutes , so you won't get anything now"

[rain mantle]

Either boost the chevron system or really address the root cause of cosmetic prices; people only grind so much due to the high cost.

[wind dragon]

Well said

[bright portal]

Theres better ways to implement an afk system, aside from the timer

• pre indicator to warn players that our skykid is going idle
• instead of disabling wax gathering , make it so that the player return home, and maybe the app closes after a long inactivity period

Tbh , i dont have much of a voice because im a solo cr player, instead i hope things turn out for those affected

[rose surge]

maybe just not raise the prices anymore, but lowering prices seem really unfair o the veterans who already got the cosmetics from a high price. boosting chevron system would work though

[chrome ivy]

They shouldn't make the system to live and I still waiting to let me turn and download beta sky

[tough barn]

I left an in depth and hopeful kind message about the harm of this new update. Thank you.

[viral atlas]

can a single tester send multiple feedbacks?(not like spamming but addressing multiple issues)

[radiant drum]

Except that timer is completely arbitrary right now and is going to change. It's short so we can test its functionality

[spark lance]

I completed everything in sky, so i can go with afk rules

That moment when you uber someone, finish the realm and they end up being afk, so you teleport to them after 3 hours and they’re still in the same spot

[rain mantle]

We have already tested its functionality.

[chrome ivy]

If I sleep and wake up still nothing. I will very mad

[timid bough]

hope its not in the rain

[hasty dew]

Sometimes the bot is a little late though..I’ve been able to see other player’s messages lately 😖

[spark lance]

Improvement also comes with some sacrifices though. The entire system is flawed considering that it really shouldn't take 2 hours everyday to barely afford TS. As it stands the current system is unfair to newer players. Tgc sorta needs to find a balance

[wind dragon]

Imagine honking every few minutes to see if the got they got wax doing uber

[high echo]

Maybe if they boosted the wax value enough that doing 3 realms gives you max candles would already be a good solution. Then the other realms gives you wax, but they don't count at all.

That way people wouldn't have to cr 3 hours a day and they would be able to socialize more exactly like TGC intended.

[radiant drum]

And now we wait for an update! Beta life

[bright portal]

Mods , are we able to send our feedback in a .docx or .txt file or must it be via discord chat?

[radiant drum]

Yeah that's fine, and preferable if it's too long

[hasty dew]

Yeah....

[chrome ivy]

And seems everyone hate it

[foggy atlas]

Whether the timer be shorter or longer, the afk system in general might do more harm and good unless they also reform the TS system/lower certain prices of things/create new ways to earn candles/make even more changes to the daily light system

[bright portal]

Thanks mirian

[radiant drum]

I'm pretty sure I've seen lots of people neutral or positive about it. Be careful when speaking in absolutes when all you can see is public chat

[timid bough]

travelling spirits is a lot of eggs in a basket, people treat them differently
for me i only take what i want (which makes me conserve more candles)
i know some who makes it a must to get everything requiring a lot of candles

[rose surge]

maybe other realms still give more candles since we CAN socialize while doing cr, and maybe other realms each still give 1-2 candles, since the ts price is so high that i see no problem raising the max candles

[tender oasis]

I'm enjoying company when they or i have some free minutes, also we tend to do voice chats too. It doesn't require most of us to interact on screen since 99% of the activities in sky can be done by one person. Obviously with big trees and stuff we help each other but what else can we do? None of us is a sky musician but we use group session on Spotify. We are obviously not right the players to play the game.

[hasty dew]

That’s what I was thinking. Ts are supposed to be expensive but...70 candles for a cape? that’s way too much in my opinion

[chrome ivy]

Everyone talking about Candles. What about heart's?

[tough barn]

I totally get your point but lately I have less and less time for sky. And I want to play at all, sometimes I HAVE to leave the game. It's a hassle if I have to leave every 3 minutes to take care of something. It's super helpful when my friends (who are happy to do it btw) can help me out. Otherwise I'd have to purchase candles which I don't have the money for 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[foggy atlas]

That too
They definitely need to do something about hearts... increasing the likes on notes was not a good move

[high echo]

That's not bad tbh, maybe the first 3 realms end up giving 20 candles between them and the last tree give 5 more. That way having 20 a day is an amazing count, but people who are used to doing full runs can get 5 extra if they want to.

[spark lance]

Just to calm everyone down: because of all the backlash, this system most likely won’t get added

[spark lance]

.70 candle for cape regular price

[rose surge]

maybe give us a few spirits that allows us to "trade hearts" with them daily after unlocking second wingbuff.

[gritty wagon]

To be fair, most of my friends and I have thought of just uninstalling the game when we heard about the AFK system-

[wind dragon]

Maybe have a daily spirit to trade hearts with for solo players

[timid bough]

i only got a single heart from a message shrine before, but i still have a lot of hearts

[half cypress]

What about 270 candles for a cape? That is how much the 90 heart purple cape costs if you convert the hearts to candles.
I will not be getting that until next year

[bright portal]

Goodnight beta chat, dont get too rowdy and make sure u take a break

[hasty dew]

oh my god...I forgot about that...

[edgy nexus]

Actually I would like something else for the AFK timer is that I really wish the game can “push player ”(pop out the game) for a good reason, if the player is afk for 60 minutes already such as haven’t move their screen or chat, then it’s reasonable to drop the player out of the game, since cr players wont be inactive for more than 60 mins.
This is beneficial to those who accidentally left their phone open in Sky and worked on something else, and when they came back seeing their battery is dead because they left sky on, or people who fell asleep while playing Sky.

[frosty basin]

Spirits give 1 heart every 2 weeks if you have achieved the wingbuff and pay 3 candles? this is an idea lmao

[timid bough]

tier 2 capes are not required for completing constellations, they also are for veterans with thousands of hearts to spare

[tough quest]

I wonder if there is a way to reduce the completionist pressure that contributes to this ... it seems hard to do as many people like being completionist and more flexibility could impact TGCs sales. Something like letting people choose traveling spirits (just an idea) would reduce that rush, since there wouldnt be such fomo and uncertainty whether items would return for months.

[rain mantle]

I'm more just saying that none of the commentary on this feature's current state will change or stop until TGC updates the AFK feature in Beta to more accurately reflect what duration they want the feature to look like in Live.

Until then, everyone is just going to perceive the feature as being too short and restrictive despite the fact that it's only this short for testing purposes. The longer this feature is kept in this state, the worse community perception of it will probably become. The only "fix" I can see is for TGC to push an update that sheds more light on what the feature will actually look like; until then we are all mostly just speculating and offering feedback on a version of the feature that sounds like it is significantly different than actual planned implementation.

[chrome ivy]

If you have a friend don't like trading hearts to you except because the quest. Grinding every hearts from spirits is bad. Once the all og spirit heart's have been obtained, you need many more to actually progress the constellation. And also TS two weeks one time but you need hearts for level 3 expression making buy hearts and return heart's to ts

[hasty dew]

I’m trying to finish valley but I need 200+ candles just for the CAPES

[wooden raptor]

One can choose to complete a constellation and buy second tier cape. I don’t agree it’s for veterans only. Just items for a long term achievement

[rose surge]

same ;w;

[high echo]

Absolute same

[broken fractal]

And theres still pink, white, and black tier 2

[wind dragon]

Cosmetics are expensive nowadays

[static sundial]

this feels a lot like TGC pushing us to play the game the way they want us to, rather than letting us play the game in any style we comfortably feel like playing. i truly do love this game and dont want to see it tank down because of this idea. :L

[viral atlas]

tgc always does this, provides us with very little information/idea

we are expected to be Dumbledores of sky smh

[spark lance]

actually capes are only 170 but i get what you mean

[timid bough]

yeah like how i don't like any of the ultimate hairs (no intent to finish any constellation) but i want the white and black tier 2 (if they ever even come lol, but i have enough)

[chrome ivy]

Great idea

[gritty wagon]

This only means the players will most likely throw away the social part of the game and just cr alone and or completely ignore other players completely

[hasty dew]

I’m not a candle running machine, man. I’m a person too, just like the rest of us. things shouldn’t be so expensive

[wispy mulch]

I wasnt supposed to laugh at that

[foggy atlas]

I’ve felt this way for a while now
Sucks bc I love the game but it hurts

[west tide]

True

[rapid stirrup]

i wish they had noted in the original message with the ping that the time was shortened for testing purposes, instead of saying that in this chat... ppl don't always check the pins

[wind dragon]

The black cape and white cape tier 2 will cost over 100 hearts

[wispy mulch]

Just my opinion dont krill me- they might be doing this so people buy candle packs- just my opinion

[hasty dew]

last time I checked there’s a cape that costs 40 hearts, and if I did the math correctly, wouldn’t it be 120 candles?
or am I just being an idiot again

[timid bough]

150 hearts each

[rose surge]

And maybe somehow encourage people to help others? like if you're the second/last person who came to a door and helped open it, your chevrons "recharge" a bit?

[chrome ivy]

I don't have any Impact since this game is free 2 play and grinding for such a game. Nah my self, no problem

[spark lance]

Ooh, yes. Its 150 WITH the red cape

[runic path]

God.. this afk chaotic let me gets a UG discuss chaotic feeling...

[hasty dew]

Tgc might need to pay their workers but I don’t think they’d go that far. it’d literally be a p2w game at that point

[lusty light]

Tgc doesn’t give specifics in beta patch notes because the point is for beta testers to play the game and see how it feels for themselves

[tough barn]

I SOOOO hope that's true tbh.. it seems like an overwhelmingly negative response anyway

[gritty wagon]

Feeling like a pay to win to me

[worthy kite]

Any news, new beta testers android?? I still can't download it tough 😭

[wooden raptor]

It’s great that you don’t have a problem with it. But is it wrong to be emphatic about others’ concerns? Cause there’s not one specific player type

[chrome ivy]

So there's for tier 2 cape nickname call veteran capes

[timid bough]

anything that TGC does iis to pressure people to buy candle packs apparently

[rose surge]

yes, and the candles are so expensive while they're also going to be worth less in the future....

[radiant drum]

This always happens with google unfortunately, it might be a while until you can download it if at all. If you followed the steps in #beta-faq please be patient

[rain mantle]

Is this common practice for patchnotes for this game? Not mentioning concrete notes on what the update was and having the community piece it together just seems like a lack of communication, especially for beta testing where having actual concrete values might be more useful.

[gilded parrot]

@rain mantle, to join future beta invite waves, learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[tough barn]

Kinda lowkey also making us buy candles

[hasty dew]

but don’t you need the pink cape to complete valley??

[worthy kite]

Oh yes I was just asking if someone done it 😸

[spark lance]

Sky in july and before july: Sky in november and after november: Sky in march:

[lusty light]

It’s not really a lack of communication, if they spelled out every small change they make it would skew accurate feedback and analytics

[viral atlas]

now they know how it feels.

And i get the purpose of beta but that's not what i meant. Anyway hopefully there are people at tgc who are taking wise decisions for the greater good of all the players.

[radiant drum]

Some people get in after a few hours, a few days or a few weeks. Some people missed out on whole seasons and events testing. Just because someone else can download it unfortunately Google can still take longer for you

[chrome ivy]

You don't need tier 2 capes to finish a constellation. Need to sleep now bye

[foggy atlas]

I mean
They ultimately are a business so everything they do is to some extent for capital gain, but I don’t think that is their main purpose at all they are just not the best at showing it sometimes

[rapid stirrup]

normal pink cape is 40 hearts. the 120 heart one is the tier 2 pink cape and is not needed for the valley elder hairs

[ionic bluff]

Just because sky is free to play doesn’t mean it should give us updates that negatively impact the way we play the game. Everyone plays it differently, but things like the afk system MASSIVELY effects how the community goes about with grinding and such.

[hasty dew]

pink cape is 40 hearts, aka 120 candles. keep in mind this is for ONE cape. don’t even get me started on the purple cape from forest

[tough barn]

Exactly what I said.

[spark lance]

Purple is 90 though..

[rose surge]

we need to know what we're supposed to be testing 🥲

[wispy mulch]

Well considering how there's days of bloom, and a season right after it, not even waiting for a break from dream, its natural for some people to feel rushed to cr for the new shiny thing

[lusty light]

They tell you specifically what they want you to test tho?

[hasty dew]

No, no, I mean the regular one. Sorry. I should take this to live chat so ppl don’t get confused

[timid bough]

given specifics nobody would actually test it

[valid stirrup]

There is no photos of the black tier 2 cape or even white

[foggy atlas]

I agree 100%
They need to fix a lot of things and that includes longer breaks between seasons

[rose surge]

yes, but we need to see if the details about what is patched and what isn't is working

[half cypress]

We can still play how we wish, although, there are a few extra obstacles depending on the activity. I suppose we are funneled into particular objective / overall means of achieving it. That does not mean that we can not go about those objectives in our own little ways.

Then again, the way that others play is different from the way that I play, so I may not even have experience in what is concerning them.
I need some krill kebabs

[rapid stirrup]

wait ohhh you're converting into candles.... sorry i saw 120 and pink and automatically jumped to tier 2 bc i can't read apparently

purple cape is cheaper than pink. 30 hearts (or 90 candles)

[tender oasis]

Kill switch wasn't even mentioned We still tested it. It was a fun period ngl

[ionic bluff]

There is. But it’s all the way back from when it was first introduced and the models came out, so they COULD be outdated

[spark lance]

I feel like an idiot because i don’t think the prices are too high Might be because i’m used to it

[minor falcon]

#beta-screenshots-videos message here's all ascendeds from a previous build

[hasty dew]

tier 2 purple cape tho.. 😭😭😭

[timid bough]

i manage my finances nicely and isn't pressured to get everything

[lusty light]

Giving specific details is detrimental to testing, the devs will make a change and tell you what they want to you do to get data from that

[gritty wagon]

For people to focus more on a constellation than a TS is a lot. Prices are too insane, mostly for new players as well with such a short period of time

[molten monolith]

double heart events are a life savior i got all the $$$ capes during these events so keep on the lookout for them I thought I would never be able to but you reach a point with a good number of friends and it works eventually

[timid bough]

i mostly spend on constellation when TS isn't what i want, and at the end of seasons

[vagrant heart]

At it’s core, TGC cares about the community more than anything. I believe that TGC has introduced this system in hopes to promote healthier gameplay habits, whether you personally believe that the change is for the better or for worse. But trust me, the developers are taking your feedback to heart and are keeping you all in mind when creating these systems, whether it feels like it or not. Your opinions and feelings are extremely valuable, which is why we encourage you to put all of it to #beta-feedback so that the developers have the opportunity to hear you out and to listen to the community.

[high echo]

You know you got too used to ts when 30 candles is cheap and 80 is expensive

[ionic bluff]

Making your first few candles easier to get doesn’t make the high prices of TS any easier to get, ESPECIALLY with this AFK system.

[foggy atlas]

I want the pink and black tier 2 capes so badly,,,

[rose surge]

yes! as a dreams moff i need to complete all the constellations, but still feel the pressure of needing to get the ts. I wouldn't mind spacing ts even a bit more apart.

[hasty dew]

bruhhh.....
None of my friends gifted me hearts during that event. and when I say none, I mean NONE. I regret everything

[wispy mulch]

For a small company, TGC is adding way too much new stuff, which could be awesome but at the same time, it just rushes people to get this shiny before that shiny comes, even the large company of the sims gives a break between stuff packs and game packs to let you think before you buy

[glass vale]

Is Adventure pass free in beta?

[radiant drum]

Please read #beta-faq

[tough barn]

I definitely try my best and it's much easier when you complete a season and get all those former seasonal candles to normal candles but I have like no money to spend in game and I struggle. I either get friendship thing unlocked or I focus soleying on constellations which cost a lot. So I manage my candles but it's a struggle fr for most free players

[spark lance]

I got super angry at this system and i’m literally a solo player

[viral atlas]

yeah mee too, why are they delaying this and sending out tier 2 capes in installments

[sudden flower]

I don't think hearts directly convert to 3 candles apiece since there's light fragments, double hearts, shrine messages etc. but we all know the struggle of getting hearts as newish players, and I think making candle gathering easier would help with that too since we use candles to exchange for hearts (usually)

[molten monolith]

try asking them next time and find as many as you can to help you 😭🤚

[wispy mulch]

And thats EA, like the money obsessed company, even they give players time to think if they want it or no

[timid bough]

they do often says they aren't a AAA studio yet they are working on AAA standards

[high echo]

What I recommend you do is look at the wiki cosmetic and make a wish list of stuff you want from ts, then just save a bit in case it comes. Don't think too much about the ones you don't like

[rain latch]

my thoughts exactly!

[spark lance]

The tier 2 black and white capes will be 450 candles. You’re welcome

[potent bison]

that new update sucks

[rose surge]

And i like all of them the more i look at the wiki, the more i want the items.....

[spark lance]

(I HAVE IOS) Sorry if I disturb, but what means that my beta will go out in 89 days? Im worried

[hasty dew]

Yeah. Just get the emotes if you don’t like the cosmetics. That’s what I learned. Or writhe in pain as you’re unable to afford the cosmetics, and the ts is leaving in an hour

[rose surge]

only if you're inactive for 90 days

[ionic bluff]

Nope! That’s just how many days they have to make the next build I think

[gritty wagon]

My main cape has now soured me

[high echo]

That's a mood right here

[rapid stirrup]

that's when the current build expires. don't worry, a new build will come before then!

[timid bough]

actually i suggest you don't think of the ones you like because you will have a higher expectation of everything and be disappointed when it doesn't turn out the way you want

[vagrant sequoia]

For real?

[hasty dew]

a very relatable, yet depressing mood.