beta-discussion

[nocturne dew]

EXACTLY THIS. they only care about PARTICULAR feedback. That is the perception they put forth. If they want that to change they should change the way they take feedback into account or take away our ability to leave it at all and nerf beta entirely. We test it for free because we love TGC and invest our time and energy in them to support them. In return they do not listen to us anymore unless it’s bug hunting. Our opinions are meaningless.

[quaint jungle]

And now the new switch users will experience the worst "quality of life" updates.

[tacit stone]

yes...and from i know the wax is really....little?

[vast edge]

Oh lordie I just saw that 50 candle payment from the season guide for the guide tree above and I immediately closed my eyes.

[hollow compass]

Oh! I need to test this too, then. I almost exclusively play with a controller these days. You should definitely give feedback on that. (It would definitely affect a future Switch release.)

[karmic kestrel]

Idk why they use NORMAL candles for seasonal items? Why can't they just increase the seasonal candle. What? So what's seasonal candle or new season for lol, kidding me? And with the new system, you can't even have that much candles for event, ts, constellation and now about the new items on SEASON.

[pale junco]

can you elaborate i don't understand. What does money has to do with them not having enough people?

[spark lance]

and 30 hearts for the useless shelf. and useless pillow. and useless jar. i can continue but i won’t

[hollow jackal]

the chevron system only really hurts players who do full candle runs for the most amount of candles everyday yes you get more at first but now the full candle runners have to suffer for an additional hour or so to get the same. amount. of candles.

from what ive seen theres even a negative chevron

so while it's great for players who don't do full candle runs the other 50% of players who have to buy everything from ts, upgrade constellations, you name it, will have to spend more time

but you can like it I just think TGC needs to listen to the other half

[valid terrace]

I’m too scared of letting this game go

I want to naturally out of fading interest, not hatred and upset over decisions
I’m rather salty at best but rarely livid

not livid here, just “h”

[blazing sail]

Wait what? I’m still in bed and haven’t looked yet. Now I’m scared.

[cosmic orchid]

those items are with the Quest giver who will stay even after the season ends,
the items may come from assembly but they're considered as non-seasonal items somewhat

[mental otter]

i think it's the tent prop, it costs 50 candles when you look at the assembly questgiver's tree

[bright portal]

Tgc, are u saying i need to glance at my phone when im using the bathroom? Man cant i do my buisness peacefully

[solid dune]

I went to sleep under the tree for 7 hours and got a total of only 2 candles when I woke up. It also effected my chevron percentage
It’s not a lot at all

[clear cargo]

I hope they will decrease the normal candles for the stuffs from the QG (or they could use hearts)

[quaint jungle]

I hate how people excuse this. We had to deal with higher like count, More time for the same candles, New season items costing normal candles and now you can't be afk because it "discouraged".

The 50 likes affects normal users. Not shrine users

[tacit stone]

I still cant get over the fact that until today, for everything they have announced in patch notes, after more than weeks the shrine requirement is increased to 50 likes, they nvr make an annoucement about it to live players. Why is that?

[vast edge]

Omg hhh i cant even unlock it cuz i lack candles but you need to pay MORE for the items above? Why regular candles in the first place lmao... They should add more sc or extend the season

Or bring back the double season candle events

[grizzled oxide]

The update notes call those items nonseasonal. Which means they're gonna be here after the season ends.

Which I love the idea of a season introducing no seasonal items

[spark lance]

Yes i can elaborate: they can hire more people with their many many American dollars they earn from us.

[tropic radish]

I was just looking at the other side, and thought "hey, this could give players that joined after assembly a chance to get a set of props without waiting for an assembly TS", cause it's non seasonal items iirc

[fluid quail]

let's be honest y'all the new afk system is just.. really not fair in so many ways.
and good in general, long term.
just give it a day after u leave ur feedback in #beta-feedback
if u feel stressed right now please take a break.

[stone topaz]

they also never release the number of wax required at each chevron level.

It's 88 135 225 375 btw

[valid terrace]

about the “must play the game ‘our way’”, patching faintspam

and yet the home trick still exists

though that is just personal and more of feeling peer pressure

[hollow compass]

Our opinions are not meaningless. But we are also not the devs and have no insight into their discussions and plans. It’s pretty rich to demand they change things because a handful of beta players are being loud.
If you’re capable of feeling this strongly about a mobile game, use that energy out there in the real world instead.

[hollow jackal]

haha what
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, 50 LIGHT FOR A SINGLE HEART AND TGC THINKS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HARD TO LIKE AND FIND THE NOTES, TRYING TO HELP, IS CHEATING? ARE YOU-

ok lemme calm down, i really cannot tho:SkyFaint:

[upper gorge]

Luckily I bought that things before they was removed so I got them for free

[karmic kestrel]

I honestly thought i would last in this game a lot longer tbh. Before the new system applied in live. But after the DL, and all the mess around now, just i'm starting to hate them... i hope i won't delete sky anytime soon because i hate this game.....

[twin mural]

They changed too much

[solid dune]

Bro I have like maybe 100 friends but I barely only get 10 likes. I don’t know what expectations TGC have for us, but it sure ain’t right

[quaint jungle]

Not going to be rude but you're excusing their actions. You're telling us to just deal with it and not talk about it?

[latent palm]

has anyone found out the timer for the afk?

[tacit stone]

It was 10, so they increased to 50. But it doesnt matter with the likes. But the fact that they think we spending effort on shrines is exploiting.

[blazing sail]

So they added more things to drain our candles and hearts? It’s really feeling at odds with the message of the new candle system. Always 1 step forward, 5 steps back.

[shadow stream]

I barely even get 10 likes. And even if you make many friends, only 3 or 4 people out of 20 or 30 even are barely active.

[rustic osprey]

Somebody says 5 mins

[strange fractal]

Sorry for the paragraph, but:
my opinion abt the new afk system is very disappointing to me and as the conversation is continuing, to other players too. As a partial uber, I get less stressed when people are afk, I do not mind that, a simple honk spam surely makes them notice that I need help with a task in game. Players go afk, since they have other tasks to do but still want to collect candles because they won’t have time later, or hell, even go to the bathroom for a few minutes. When I’m a passenger in a candle run, I do not talk because of my anxiety, and I do something else in the meantime, while still contributing to the game. In The new afk system, I feel like I am being forced to be social and always look at my screen. I also get partial motion sickness because of lag. It’s funny that the new DL mechanic was added for a quicker way to collect candles, which is faster way for us to spend time outside of the game, though, I feel like this is false. After the second chevron I feel like I’m doing a chore for those extra 4-6 candles so I can get 20 fully, it is painful for me. Before it was implemented candle runs were great. I could collect a few candles one time and get a few more a few hours later that has the same amount. I was also excited to candle run since it’s one of the only things that keeps me playing Sky since I am not very social in game. Tgc has to accept the fact that not everyone is social. For me this is a comfort game, a thing to help me relax. If the new afk system gets implemented and the DL stays, I’m not sure that it will be the comfort game I’ve always known. I also do not have many friends to help me with getting hearts. The new 50 hearts on a boat to get ONE heart is exhausting.

[bright portal]

Some tgc staff woke up one morning and said : hey! Yall are getting too many hearts >:(
Bruh

[formal lintel]

AGREE

[grave charm]

not being able to collect light when u afk is very ridiculous since like idk?? u gotta afk for a damn reason?? its not like everyone is free enough to do cr all the time

[hollow jackal]

no. I came here to say how cute the new update to the treehouse is and then after reading all of the messages,,,

[spark lance]

btw it's now impossible to collect candles while getting your afk skykid dragged by a friend???

[grizzled oxide]

I don't see how new permanent things to buy with candles and hearts is a bad thing? The QG stays in forest forever.

Like please what's the issue with new things to get at your own leisure?

[tacit stone]

Ikr. Its not like we r not making real efforts to make it happen

[quaint jungle]

I love how tgc wants people to spend less time in crs, And proceed to make cs more time consuming and can't be afk!

[latent palm]

silly gooses #screenshots-and-videos message

[broken fractal]

Wait, now we need 50 likes for a heart for notes and boat?

3 minutes cooldown, yikes

[valid terrace]

it feels contradictory to me of DL being about ‘it’s ok to do partial CR if you don’t have time or don’t want to’ and then this concept being ‘but only if you’re active, even though we seem to know not everyone can be’

[limber pier]

Put this in feedback if you haven’t already :))

[vast edge]

Just a q guys but are you having audio problems in live recently? I played Senbonzakura for friends under the sakura tree earlier and 75% of my notes are not being heard. It feels like lag but me tapping the notes wasn't laggy, sounds were just not being generated like in emotes too or honking at times

[late mountain]

Just a reminder to everyone, the best way to be heard by TGC about changing beta content is to send constructive feedback in the #beta-feedback channel.

Lets be sure to remain kind and considerate in out discussions here too. Many people will have different opinions and its important to consider another's perspective along with your own.

[lunar zealot]

The sudden new AFK system introduced right now in beta has its flaws. And it’s not perfect, by any means.
But please remember that this feature is probably very early in its stages. So all your heartfelt feedback is important, so remember to put your feelings into the feedback channels and keep it polite and constructive

[spice mason]

I don't miss being a moth. But.. I miss enchantment.

[opaque swan]

After the season ends I'm sure the cosmetics go with it too

[blazing sail]

I once asked for more things to spend my accumulated hearts on bc everything that’s extra (like friend trees) cost regular candles and ascended candles and there was no use for my extra hearts. That didn’t mean I wanted them to constantly drain it to the point that I’d feel pressured again to candle run and heart trade daily lol. Jesus. I just wanted a way to use my hearts occasionally for little things like friend upgrades.

[stone topaz]

I can't believe this kind of speech anymore. No offense though

[pale junco]

Yes, they do hire people. And wouldn't they want to solve issues asap. Also i wasn't talking about solving issues, i was talking about finding them. I don't know how their recruitment system works but wouldn't they want more people if they can. Sky isn't the biggest game. I think they always try their best.

[vocal crater]

i just hope they don't take the new AFK system live.
Because there is a LOT of adults/young adults that play sky, be afk on CR with our friends is LITTERALY a thing, we need that because we have very long day and not really time to play, because of graduate school or work (also youngs folks that have a lot of school works.)

[hollow compass]

Please re-read what I wrote. 🙂
I also wonder what actions you feel need to be excused. TGC has decided that their game mechanics may need an overhaul. They own the game and they can do what they want with it. Right now, it's our turn to test this new feature and see how it works. We then give feedback and/or bug report what we find. What TGC decides to do with that information is up to them.

[shadow stream]

Bit by bit I'm losing hope in this if they ever even listen...

[grizzled oxide]

The update notes call them nonseasonal, meaning they won't go away

[tacit stone]

Besides from shrines, when every candle counts, they think its not fair either for you to use boats you have to buy with candles you grind with real efforts to get hearts so it requires 50 likes too. I-

[tropic radish]

Oh !
Remember, if you're feeling unsettled with the blazing energy inside this chat, take a break. Put yourself first over anything else
||Also don't dogpile-||

[spark lance]

I feel like the afk thing will make my friends not play sky as much or play alone because with chevrons some of my friends already stopped helping for realms and i dont know why doing lots of cr is a bad thing because it is fun for me and it didnt upset anyone i just like cr realms and collect candles it is peaceful it feels like how i play sky is wrong and we are not allowed to play as much or not allowed to cr but i love to cr and the afk thing will stop us from helping others and taking turns in cr when my friends need candles but are tired when cr is the best thing i can do to help my friends i feel if they are not allowed to be afk i cant help my friends anymore and i love leading cr its my favourite thing in sky

[latent palm]

the problem is they are making the curve too big for collecting candles. i would honestly go back to the original light collecting if the 3rd boost is only going to have a little bit higher wax collection rate than the original. this is just my opinion but others may have different thoughts and i would love to hear them!

just gonna add my source, i know i sent it before: #screenshots-and-videos message

[quaint jungle]

I just wish they don't screwed this problem even more than before

like... its getting worse

[spice mason]

The fact they took the new UI layout live did make me feel a little... not listened to.

And an option to choose from Daily light and legacy light every reset would be a nice addition. ....

[tacit stone]

Its sad to see that with every new feature the act of altruism has become less valuable in Sky. Its hurtful to realise when society has already kept on reminding us this.

[fervent loom]

imagine if you could chose what system you wanted to use daily. On a busy day I’d chose chevron, and on a day I can full cr I’d chose the old system.

[vocal crater]

TGC be like : We add new candles system to stress less our players..

Also TGC in beta : What if ur afk on a run you can't got the wax...

I just hope this will be changed thanks to the feedback

[valid terrace]

possibly a sort of status display could be an alternative?

[spark lance]

lol why do i feel like the afk system gonna take my friends away? like they would choose to do cr on their own rather than joining a group cr bc they might miss out candles if they went afk for a bit

[latent palm]

imo if the new ui was smaller it would look better

[small pollen]

This is what I want. TT

[pearl roost]

Oh, no one pays attention to the fact that the stop activity updated today will not collect the function of candle fire? If I'm collecting candlelight with my friends, I must move at a fixed time, or I won't get the candlelight.

[pale junco]

I wasn't there from the beginning and those who were know better than me. From what i've seen tgc does listen to us and wants the best for us. One idea that just came out isn't enough for me to loose my trust in tgc. The system also doesn't affect me much because i mostly cr alone.
If you are upset that's totally ok and valid. I'd suggest to keep calm and give some time to tgc.

[karmic kestrel]

They just make everything more complicated. Why can't just put old candles with new system. Because you still need to run 2,5 maps to get around 10 candles. Just make an old thing more complicated and not listen to player anymore 💀

[grizzled oxide]

The new system was pretty obviously pushed to live to curb the effect days of bloom event would have on the economy. There's rebalancing of the system in this beta update. For all we know they're addressing the issues with the system. . . Tho maybe the note could be more clear what those rebalances are.

[timber agate]

TGC didn't learn anything from the past. I don't know why they always wait until they're scolded before adjusting their premature decision.

[quick hawk]

Our opinions are not meaningless. But we are also not the devs and have no insight into their discussions and plans. It’s pretty rich to demand they change things because a handful of beta players are being loud.
If you’re capable of feeling this strongly about a mobile game, use that energy out there in the real world instead.
@hollow compass
Lol, Seriously?

[tacit stone]

IMO, giving feedbacks at early stage is as important as they do need these feedbacks to know what they r gonna do next, right? And when people have this much of backlash brought out by the afk system, it means there is bigger problem going on with all the decisions now and TGC needs to acknowledge this.

[iron anchor]

Imagine as if you're a mof, you haven't opened chat with your guider and they took you to cr, you just looking at your screen and amazed by the scenery, untill you realize you're not getting the candles

[blazing sail]

At the end of the day, they’re still a business and this is still a F2P model that encourages addictive behavior.

[tropic radish]

Let's not fight
We're here to discuss and for some, probably just watch the discussion from afar, not rumble

[slate sable]

They should remove the free items inside the Assembly Guide. Kinda unfair

[neat stream]

As moth I wouldn’t care that much about the candles tho

Still don’t

[rustic osprey]

I think we could just use an auto clicker app that swipes and touches the screen after some time to avoid afk penalties 👀

[timid bough]

i don't think a moth would even think about candles counting the times i had random moths spend candles on me

[hollow compass]

I would love to know what your comment is about. It's a little difficult to interpret. 🙂

[hybrid venture]

Yes and yes! Keep it friendly everyone! And don't forget to feedback (in a friendly manner)

[karmic kestrel]

Idk if i don't addictive to sky, i'll go to another game and addictive to it so i don't think it's their bussiness to care about if i'm addictive or not

[latent palm]

i just use a 10 hour song in the sky studio app

edit: it isnt a hack smh. its using my resources also it was a joke lmao

[spice mason]

50 candles for the tent. ...

[vast edge]

Omg this like fr i saw the new UI on my constellation and i immediately didn't like seeing it.. its clunky and i kept clicking the wrong person cuz the names clash. I play on a phone and its so hard. My friend plays on an ipad and its fine for her because of the bigger screen but its harder for smaller phones. Also its hard to tell who you haven't lit yet it makes my eyes hurt

Theu need to either adjust it or whispers psst tgc implement a one click everyone is lit in the constellation feature. Where when you collect its manual and that's fine but light should be a little more convenient especially if you have many friends.:stickerTired:

[steady pond]

that breaks TOS, please do not do that lol

[tacit stone]

TGC: here's a new update that disable wax collecting when there is another app on top of Sky

[pale junco]

addictive behavior-
Like making cr system to discourage us to cr for long time. It's more of our responsibility to keep our screen time low.

[solid dune]

Using any type of bot is against TOS and you could get in big trouble

[rotund skiff]

I hope the afk thing get fixed I LOVE IT WHEN MY CRUSH DEPENDS ON ME FOR CR 👁️👄👁️ kk

Edit: lmao so many of u can relate huh

[blazing sail]

No, it’s literally the F2P model. Limited time events, etc etc.
If I play a game that I buy and can play on my own schedule, I don’t miss out on anything if I don’t play for a specific week or month.

[copper estuary]

I’ve had to apologise to my friends and say I will mute them while they talk and I drive, not out of spite or anything, but just so my screen is clear from speech bubbles and I can burn plants more effectively (and race random players 👀😂) without clicking on the speech bubbles.

[bright portal]

It is updated , in the newest build in beta

[valid terrace]

I’ll just go high-five the Assembly QG at some point today

[late mountain]

That would break Sky TOS. Please do not suggest ideas like that.

[shadow stream]

We care about the game because for so many people this is their escape, some maybe their first game, and for some because they already made special connections with PEOPLE IN THE REAL WORLD through the game. We are just upset of the direction the game is taking because it's slowly starting to become the very thing people didn't want: being forced to do something when in fact, it should be a game about freedom, friendship and childlike experience again. And especially now that people are forced to stay indoors because of covid, all the more reason WE SHOULD CARE.

[tacit stone]

I realise how important UI is when it does make me feel discouraged to light my friends recently.

[grizzled oxide]

The AFK thing is just silly unless they're planning for every holiday event to have a component that involves getting wax at home.

Which I already dislike because if at all possible I avoid socializing at home because, well, people just show up nonstop. I can't meaningfully talk to@someone at home.

[sacred sigil]

about some handful of players being loud comment. This is a sample of the player-base. So this probably will reflect in some way the popular opinion

[spark lance]

It's not that they're being too loud, this is still beta testing. They're supposed to give out their opinions on the changes before TGC goes to implement on live. Beta changes quite a lot for this reason. Please don't invalidate people's feelings about the changes. Just because they talk about the game doesn't mean they don't care about real world problems.

[lucid star]

I don't want to blow the update text out of proportion because it really doesn't say much about their thought process behind this other than people leaving their phones on overnight. What I will say is that lately I've seen many friends lose interest in Sky because of the broken candle system. It becomes incredibly disheartening to repeat the same route day after day and feel like your efforts are not being rewarded. Why have they jumped on the tree issue so quickly when we've been giving feedback on everything else that still needs fixing? Don't punish people for abusing a broken system.

[crude crystal]

Maybe i am the only one loves to stay indoors

[clear cargo]

I think the shelf and the tent should return to the old seasonal spirits and the 3 new items could be purchased for candles (or hearts)

[latent palm]

i think they should make it smaller like the old ui but with the same features

[solid dune]

This is perfectly explained. Better drop this in the feedback channel

[humble axle]

Ummm, could anyone please help me ... The final quest in the season asks you to visit the spirit outside the forest temple. I cannot for the life of me find out where this is!!!

[gilded parrot]

Hmm I don't know where that could be, but we could jump in Beta and try searching it together! As testers, it's important for us to look for things ourselves before asking questions and submit any struggles to TGC in #beta-feedback. That way we are helping many Live children that could have the same questions

[spice mason]

Oh. The constellation UI IS back to normal in beta.. that's..that's very pog.

[abstract fable]

Tgc please, don't break this dude's dreams by releasing afk fix. Let them love

[wild heath]

Oh dang bro.

[bright portal]

I know many of you are in a hot seat right now, but dont forget to check out the newest beta build

[mental otter]

names & stars are a bit smaller than the original though i don't mind it much but i prefer the normal-sized stars that was before the whole constellation ui update

[west crescent]

I play Sky over one year, and first time feeling I might quit this game

[runic path]

IMHO if the afk things only affects home wax collecting I 💯 up vote this. Other than this NO.

[tropic radish]

• we have rights to voice out feedback and to be heard, but remember that not every single one will come true

• TGC can't please everyone, but they should be able to filter feedback much more properly and focus on things that truly need attention

• We are all human

[tacit stone]

Exactly. Its our struggle to maintain the way it gives charm or having to give up one day heartbrokenly to leave something we love because its no more carefree, altruistic and accepting anymore. Only certain gameplays are encouraged now, i miss the diversity it once had.

[neat stream]

Me, a manta: /jk

[valid terrace]

the fun of the game IS diversity

[pale junco]

You are deciding what's more important to you the cosmetics or the experience. Participating in events is not important to make progress in game. Tgc isn't imposing anything on us. Everything is there to give players that want those things ,an opportunity to get it. Like traveling spirits.

[vapid kestrel]

Guys, despite being very disappointed by afk thing I have a big question :
Since TGC never release updates with actual numbers
Can anyone tell yet how long does it take to be The AFK ?

[hollow compass]

True. But I think you missed my point. I am not invalidating anyone's feelings, I am asking if those feelings can be used in a different way. If you begin to feel this strongly about a game and demanding that changes be made to accomodate you specifically, it tells me that your understanding of the world around you and how businesses work isn't realistic. Quite a few people have expressed this in the chat now.

[blazing sail]

TBF there is no progress in the game outside cosmetics. If you don’t partake in the desire for stuff, you finish the game week one.

[tardy dune]

5 min? Seriously? After that I'll be considered ded?

[solid dune]

The literal objective of the game at this point is to just collect cosmetics. There’s no story line objective. There’s no ulterior objective to ultimately reach other than collecting all the cosmetics.

[fervent loom]

Everyone’s world view is different. This is turning the conversation to something completely outside of Sky

[late mountain]

Its great to see so much discussion going on but lets not forget to test new content too. Large changes will always take time to adjust to, but getting a feel for exactly what you like and don't like about new beta systems will be very helpful in #beta-feedback as it gives better specifics on the system and what you would like to see changed to what amount.

[finite inlet]

its like they are forcing us to be social

[iron anchor]

Exactly, i even completed all of the story & map just in 2 days, so cosmetic is the only goals.

[neat stream]

I disagree, there’s much more to Sky than cosmetics

[bright portal]

What i have been saying the whole time, they way sky is approaching this game is the game is litterally a fashion game. Because thats the only thing we earn candles and hearts for.

[rotund skiff]

Lmao I AM SWEATING WHILE CHECKING ALL THE REACTIONS BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE.

[faint comet]

Why exactly?

[tacit stone]

Thanks for fighting for the good things that are or almost disappear in Sky. Im going to dinner, thanks for all the efforts and heartfelt feedbacks you all r contributing together to protect this game's beauty: diversity, altruism and freedom. Sky is the only game i play because im not a gamer, but i love the values it bring.

[vital sentinel]

kinda rare to see beta channel bustling like this eh?

[karmic kestrel]

@finite inlet and i'm an introvert who doesn't like to talk

[latent palm]

just legit make it 20m or 30m lmao 5 minutes is a bit excessive

[valid terrace]

going to mute here now, see you people in a few days

I’m too worried, leaving for mental health

[somber bane]

And let's not tell people their opinions aren't right either beta testing is to find bugs and feedback on new features so

[hollow jackal]

oh god I just came back from dinner are we still doing chevron, ts, daily light, and afk system?

[solid dune]

That is true. I enjoy the game in other ways by hanging out with friends etc. but you cannot deny that one of the ultimate objectives of the game is to just collect things as it’s one of the main and few of the only things we can do.

[hollow compass]

It is a little confusing to me that people are asking to not have to actively play a game they have downloaded, which clearly describes itself as a socially interactive adventure game.

[tardy dune]

I think "afk" is a huge conversation trigger right now in this channel

[sacred sigil]

This is not just to accommodate some people, practically all the feed back given here is very valid in the sense that many people share a similar point of view from both contrasting points of view. Shutting down the argument by only validating your point of view is not the right way to discuss

[fervent elm]

Beta update is very bad!🤬

[rustic osprey]

Now i crave for sky slingshot that stuns players and make them fall when theyre flying

[pale junco]

Exactly! Because devs ment it to be that way. Sky is way more than just collecting cosmetics. Cosmetics are there to customize yourself to express yourself. We made such thing that collecting cosmetics=progress. You decide where the game ends. Whether it's after collecting everything or going through eden once. Sky is a social adventure game to make friends and enjoy the beautiful world. Everything else is secondary. It's an escape from the real world into a world where you can spend sometime without any worries. There's no progress marker in game because sky is not like other games.

[tacit stone]

Yes, and almost all events dont have storyline or new mini activities. For examples Days of Feast n Fortune. All involvement we can make is getting the cosmetics and party together with friends in them. Im glad now they put some of their best cosmetics of an event in candle-priced menu instead of letting all money-costing IAPs to have the best design.

[quick hawk]

Our opinions are not meaningless then why they don't listen our opinions for years. If they really care that much they should seriously look into it tbh. The point is their development and businesses are not strong enough to be compared with many companies and they stick to the their plans too much(about marketing and stuffs in game). Yeah, your comment is useful but you should know that you are a bit toxic.

[spark lance]

Correct. As I said "Just because they talk strongly about the game, doesn't mean they don't care about real world problems." You're turning the conversation into more about how people are feeling. It's not making the changes to accommodate me specifically, but the playerbase that has given their opinions cannot just be ignored. Their words are still very much valid, no one can't tell them that they're "incorrect"

[late mountain]

A reminder to everyone, make sure you put your mental health first. If you find yourself feeling overwhelmed with either beta news or these discussions be sure to take a break. Beta won't be going anywhere so take as long as you need.

[cosmic orchid]

the new system actually helped me realize this
now
I'll have more time to watch myself getting too immersed in cr and gains and forget about important things that I have to do, like socializing and irl stuff

[neat stream]

Like, yeah cosmetics are a big part of the game but it’s not what the game really is about those cosmetics...

Else this game would be called Skykid’s Fashion or something jk

Well, the game is about socializing (and also about reliving spirit memories and storming Eden to save the fallen kids) which doesn’t require cosmetics.

And I don’t think any cosmetic was ever really needed in the game to unlock something? ||(Except Office ofc)||

[hollow compass]

Anyway, I am just now testing how playing with a controller works and indeed, you are counted as afk after about 5 minutes. How is everyone else's testing going so far? 🙂

[pale junco]

Time to drink some lemonade. And enjoy the weather outside

[vapid kestrel]

Did I just get censored and my message absorbed because I was giving my opinion about how 5 minutes Afk is unfair ?
Well thank you for accepting our opinions and discussions, sky discord..
I wasn't even using cursing or anything.

[somber bane]

But they do listen to your opinions. but they're the developers and can ultimately choose to do what we want with the game. Calling people toxic for their opinions is uncalled for, as is expecting developers to be able to accommodate everyone. Let your feedback be heard but don't tear each other down, it's a happy wholesome game and it's up to us to keep it that way

[tacit stone]

Thanks Harbin for respecting our constructive criticisms while reminding us to take care of our mental health.

[tropic radish]

There could've been a typo that accidentally triggered the filter. Maybe ask a mod regarding the deleted message ?

[bright portal]

Okay precisely sky is a casual, adventure ,interactive game. Its not a pvp game or anything that will truly make an disadvantage on one another other than hacking and griefers.

So why do we need a penalty for idling in a relaxing game ? When u wanna relax and do things casually, we wanna take things slowly. Why do we need to glance over our screens constantly otherwise we will be punished :pThink:

Like , if you idle in League of legends , yeah ofc u will be punished because its a team game and u have ruined other people experience, what does sky have to do with that? If you dont wanna uber an idling player , dont do it or wait till they come back. If you wanna proceed to uber, then go for it. Why must tgc restrict us in a how we wanna utlize our cr run?

[solid dune]

Anyway. It is time I go to sleep. I was dreadfully awaiting 2am for reset because meditation night and was literally settling down to go to sleep and then the afk update released... and now it’s 6am. How time flies when you’re... discussing...

[cosmic orchid]

the props help, but they aren't really a must. but tea is commodity that is a must have, too bad its a luxury

[stark cloud]

What can we do with small jar

[karmic kestrel]

Alright i'll go eat fruit yogurt and take a rest. Thanks for this conversation everyone. Last thing to say: please keep your mind clear tgc!

[tardy dune]

Store moths
||And release them to eden||

[somber bane]

Sky PvP is when you and your friend press the hug emote at the same time and then honk spam to see who gives in to the hug first

[blazing sail]

I got censored, too. Not sure how the words I used were bad but I essentially said there’s a difference between playing a game and being chained to it.

[hybrid dust]

you're going in the moth jar

[bright portal]

5 minute mute to whoever chickened out

[solid dune]

NONONONONONO You have no idea what you’ve just said

[grizzled oxide]

Sky PvP is the races . . .

[iron anchor]

No offense.
I honestly think the main thing is the cosmetic, but as far as i know i never seen someone who's just doing cr without socializing except they're in busy and mostly doing solo run.
If they just wanted us to be socialized etc. Discord / instagram is enough.

Ps : there's no other goals than cosmetic when you're playing this game for a long time, and people still talking to their friends tho.

[rustic osprey]

Good point, and it's really great that only one cape gets an advantage and nothing else. That game is not pay to win, it's really a children of the light game and the cosmetics are optional if you want them or not, and the chat feature comes in really affordable price even for new players. This is still a good game—it just have flaws in it especially the daily light system... And of course, those floating and underwater darkness plants that chibis couldnt reach cos they smol babies

[wild heath]

Here are my thoughts on this....

There are some pros, and some cons about this AFK system. I can see why a lot of people are upset about it, but TCG didn't want us to take advantage of the system. They wanted us to mingle, make friends, and play together.

You shouldn't be able to be afk and collect things in a game that's meant to be an escape for you. You're supposed to engage, relax, hang out, & have adventures with others.

I see this update as a win for TCG. there's so many inactive players, doing an "afk run", and it's not really fair to the people Ubering. Even people Ubering would like to have a friendly chat, and be social.

Now, you have 5 minutes to either move the screen, move, or use the chat box. I don't know about you guys, but if you are chilling, you don't need to collect light. I myself move the camera quite often, even when chilling, and I know no one else shouldn't have a problem with this.

Just a final thought... It might take away from people who have jobs and stuff, but keep in mind that it takes like 10 minutes to get 10 candles now. I see no problem with people getting off their phones at work.

[sharp narwhal]

RIP to my farm friend who might bath and constipation in the toilet, can't uber them anymore

[tardy dune]

Did I just create a moth jar
We can put the spotlight prop to keep them alive

[vapid kestrel]

This is a social game but please refrain making friends because :
-it will make you want more cosmetics to play around with them and cosmetics are not the point
-if you make friends you will be tempted to let them carry you around while you are able to cook or do anything needed that life includes that takes more than five minutes
-you will care for them to heart their message but it's cheating

[hollow bolt]

You have 2 mins to do a number 1, and 5 mins to do a number 2 😅

[somber bane]

Yep, and whoever loses the hug war goes in the moth jar, new rule

[edgy zinc]

I can't get the cape i already used all the hearts

[tawny badger]

hmm, what about compromise - what if we get lightshare emote in the friendship tree - to enable friends getting wax while being guided by us - then it will be decision among players and otherwise afk will be without getting wax

[feral flicker]

Please use this as your feedback. I support lol

[untold shuttle]

What if the new rule will only last till the event end?
Would that solve it?

[lean ivy]

EXACTLY, this seems like a childish move on TCG's part. People get busy and have to have an Uber while they work/do school and they can't talk/move much

[bright portal]

When they bath they need one finger out from the shower/bathtub to make sure its dry so they can touch the screen LMAOO

[fervent elm]

Someone help! You know why you added all these pointless things? And glavnoye😃 how many friends will it take to have these things to set up a house? (As TGS?👀🤬 said)

[spark lance]

So now a friend can't help me out when collecting light while I do my homework?

[late mountain]

For the few people who's messages are getting censored try to reword your message as you are likely hitting a censored word trigger. Short of that you can ask why in #contact-the-mods if it continues to happen.

[gray quarry]

I really don’t like the change to the QG friendship tree. I don’t like how the seasonal props are regular hearts and candles and I don’t like how many ult gifts they are. It seems so congested. What I liked about seasons was you only had to worry about seasonal candles and hearts and now I need regular ones too. I really don’t like it, 30 hearts for a bookshelf? It’s just too much for a season. And these props can now never come back as TS bc QG doesn’t come back. This whole season feels congested to me and I do regret purchasing the AP

[wild heath]

People who have work or school shouldn't even be on their phones anyway. As I said, it literally freaking takes 10 minutes to get 10 candles now.

[neat stream]

Don’t worry, I’m not offended at all :3

I just don’t think Sky is about collecting cosmetics although it’s a big part of it

Also I play since Enchantment so I should know, my focus in Sky is mostly exploring and finding friends/maintaining healthy friendships I already have, although I still collect cosmetics and it’s nice to have them

[wooden raptor]

You can choose not to Uber. No one is obligated to do anything they don't want. I prefer to drag friends even if they need to be AFK. And that's perfectly fine for me. If you don't like this, you can simply tell your friend that you don't prefer them being AFK. So I disagree the argument that it's unfair.

[tardy dune]

You hug, you lose

[vapid kestrel]

The thing is I don't usually copy my long explanation message when I'm assuming that I didn't say anything wrong, only explaining my opinion without any arm or curse, so it's kinda too late.. but yeah thanks for advice friend

[solid dune]

The QG will be staying after the season ends as they’ve been doing the past couple seasons

[sacred sigil]

When i complained about the IAP prices they said to me that the point of the game wasn’t to buy everything, but dude i can’t afford a single item hsushsushsushsu now is just bulling

[feral flicker]

Ummm.. you can literally tell people if you want to uber or not 👀

[sharp narwhal]

Yeah, my friends and I usually take turn to farm if one of us busy doing somethings

[bright portal]

"please dont afk or im sorry i have to leave you behind because im in a rush"

Simple communication would have fixed this

If you dont have chat unlocked, heck tell them next time then with a table or a chatting bench

[cosmic orchid]

The Assembly QG will stay, just like all the Season Guides, the new props there makes it possible for people to obtain the props even if the season is over
they're considered as non seasonal props hence the price,
if you think about it, the regular table is 30 hearts, that translates to 90 candles, so the prices aren't actually unforgiving

[wild heath]

It wasn't just about the Ubering guys.
And also it was just my opinion on the matter.

[gray quarry]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[hollow compass]

Hang on, I worked it out! When playing with a controller, if your character goes into the idle position you don't collect wax even after activating again, until you touch the screen. That's definitely a bug, which we can't have for a future Switch release.

[wooden raptor]

Some players are interpreting this change as a good thing just because they are unable to tell their friend that they are not okay with them being AFK. And it's just wrong in my opinion

[lean ivy]

Dude. The 10 minute thing is a SEVERE EXAGGERATION. Realms take a while to get through. You obviously have no clue how it feels to be a moth in the middle of a sea of more experienced and richer players. The prices in Sky are STAGGERINGLY high now

[sharp narwhal]

One golden finger is needed wakakkaa

[quaint jungle]

1 candle per minute would be a dream

[worthy tulip]

I will admit it's like 20 minutes to candle run Prairie and that gives you around 6-7 candles

[solid dune]

Do not blame other people for your lack of communication

[shadow stream]

Imagine forcing someone to talk but doesn't even know what to talk about or is just really shy.

[late mountain]

Can relate to that. One time I was trying to help explain something with a 15 minute cooldown. I spent 45 minutes that day trying and failing.

My lesson learned was always copy big long messages before posting. They were important enough to put all that effort into so copying it which takes an extra second is always worth it.

[bright portal]

Sorry i dont mean to devalue ur opinion , im just stating mine thats all. You opinion is also justified

[valid terrace]

sometimes people in real life call you to do something and there’s no time to notify your uber

[tough oracle]

Ok I’ll get off my phone now

[wild heath]

No, actually it's not an exaggeration.
If you do Vault, + quests, you'll have 10 candles in around 15 minutes or less. 10 or less if you use tea table Teleport, or piggy.

And yes I do have a clue.
We were all moths at one point.

[hollow compass]

I'm sorry, is anyone actually play testing right now? It is super important that you try these changes out for yourself before giving feedback.

[spark lance]

relying on bugs for the gameplay? no way

[worthy tulip]

That's only during off season though, what are we meant to do during the actual season when there's even more work to do given the seasonal spirits will be here? We need a system that accommodates 24/7 for Sky

[solid dune]

Moths aren’t born with the intelligence and cosmetics to do glitches and know where everything is

[cosmic orchid]

I miss the 17 secs beta chat, but its also nice to hear peoples opinions

[lean ivy]

THIS

[shadow stream]

That's assuming moths immediately know how to use bugs and have the cosmetics all in one go

[hasty vessel]

Could it be a possibility that this afk feature was only meant to stop people taking advantage of the blossom tree and not afk candle runners? Could it be a bug?

[spark lance]

Testing... think my message isnt sending.....

[feral flicker]

WE HOPE SO

[tropic radish]

If this was the case, I will be on board

[safe glade]

I don't think so, from their message it is clear that it will be the same for cr

[late mountain]

I don't think so. Here's the snippet from #beta-announcements. Be sure to refresh yourself if you're still confused.

This change will affect future events, as well as light farming in the world. We believe this change will lead to a more active world that affords players more opportunities to socialize with other players - an experience we believe to be at the heart of Sky.

[grizzled oxide]

Moths also aren't born with the need to collect every cosmetic. When I was a moth my only concern was getting red cape and a mohawk.

[bright portal]

if they wanna add an afk system here ill give my take

Sometimes players tend to afk in multiplayer gates, (ehem, 8 player puzzles) , if they afk there then send them back out to the door then so we can get a possible server merge with other players that are actively going to lit the gate, there no need for some wax penalty

Penalize players who are actually disrupting other players instead

[tough oracle]

Alright so the afk system is cool and all. But what do we think about the pillow?

[cosmic orchid]

omg plss, the pain whe nthis happens

[stark cloud]

Pillow fight

[lean ivy]

Also why such a short time? If people are afk-ing while they sleep, and TGC is so offended by it, why not make it like an HOUR instead? If afk isn't implemented, the most harm that will come is that some people get extra candles. That shouldn't be such a big deal to TGC that they implement a completely new feature

[tardy dune]

This change will affect future events, as well as light farming in the world. We believe this change will lead to a more active world that affords players more opportunities to socialize with other players - an experience we believe to be at the heart of Sky.
that quote just tells me that the interaction between players is gonna feel more forced because of the new system

[wild heath]

Alright.
Let's see, we have the moths.
Moths also have internet, and can look up where candles are in each realm, or ask on discord if they have it, or even, idk, just practice? I didn't get this good in the game without practice. And eventually they'll get it.

And off season? Just do sanctuary and vault. It'll take 20 minutes or less.

[vapid kestrel]

I wanna point to people who think that the new AFK thing is good right now, those of them who say that being afk running is a bad thing because the game is made for socialising :
Guys, when you have your own busy life all week, and want to enjoy a pretty and chill little game fully, have your own chance to get all (or almost) the good stuff so you can vary outfits and use various emotes.
You need to go afk run (with a Uber who is your friend and who accepts you as afk)
And this in order to be able to spend actual friendship time with your friends and playing around the game when LIFE lets you enough time to do so.
When you can take time to play on weekends and be able to build awesome memories and screenshots, fooling around or roleplaying with your friends
Because you've been afk all week to collect with them the stuff y'all want to play together with it later on.

[shadow stream]

Tbh I could feel a bit of force in this XD

[hasty vessel]

How? Just swipe your screen every 5 mins and you’re good?

[shadow token]

But not all sky players are on discord...?

[feral flicker]

Why don't they just remove the tree.. KIDDING

[bright portal]

do i add this to feedback or wishlist

[crude crystal]

idea comes from my online class.A box will jump out in the middle of class and you have 30seconds to press the tick .Thats how the professor know you are participating.
would this be able for sky too? Maybe a little box pop out when the player stop interacting for 10 minutes

[tropic radish]

Not everyone is a hardcore player, do take note ^^

[cosmic orchid]

I do hope they extend it to saaay 10-20 mins. I feel physically hurt when other people set their phones running sky over night. also yes I get your point in it

[kindred fossil]

How about we remove the wax instead, we're free!

[abstract fable]

Oh man, if the afk fix comes live, I can already see some of my friends sending stuff in chat like "f4rd" and copypasta every 5 minutes 😂

[tardy dune]

definitely swiping can reset that afk timer according to the new rule, no doubt.
but was this change really necessary?
dragging and being dragged is a norm in sky

[blazing sail]

How is it bad to go afk while standing around with your candle open waiting for other people? That’s some extreme anti-afk opinion there.

[sharp narwhal]

HONK - every 5mins

[lean ivy]

I didn't subscribe or watch any sky videos until around 5 months of playing. I didn't join the discord until around that time, too. Seriously. I'm a hard-core full cr kind of person and even IM upset over this. The MOST HARM that not implementing this will do is giving more people more wax

[shadow stream]

And not all sky players are updated in the internet I mean there are grown adults who don't even know Discord exists or even know the Sky wiki is a thing. Again, that is assuming. Not all players are hardcore or have that kind of knowledge.

[late mountain]

Just a reminder this afk feature is still in early testing, and that means it has not been refined yet.

If you feel like times are too short, markers aren't obvious or would like to see something added be sure to send those values and suggestions in #beta-feedback.

[stark cloud]

My question now, where assembly qg get that pot from

[bright yew]

mmm... i dont like the new update- kind of ruins everyones farming experience

[neat stream]

I think it’s good but the time until one is counted as afk is way too short. Why should people get candles for using features or even people for candles while not even looking at the game? (Looking at that one player who just went to take A SHOWER while being ubered or those who left Sky open overnight to get candles from the tree)

I think people should be counted as afk after 30 minutes or a whole hour, not after 5 minutes

[gray quarry]

They’ll just leave their skykid “typing” and you’ll see “. . .” All night

[shadow token]

Or why not make the wax/candles like those items in the boat store?

Like... You'll be able to get a fixed amount of waxes/candles every reset. Ooh, or make it per hour(s) and make it able to stack! So no more people afking under the tree because they can just collect it later anytime they want!

Im sorry for my bad English

[wooden raptor]

How about we remove the handholding and piggyback? Since I don't see why I'd hold hands if I'm gonna stressfully tap on screen in fears of not getting wax every now and then

[bright portal]

then let the anti-afk trigger when the puzzle area detects 8 players , simple. Some people dont even let their candles open while waiting , or they wait long enough that they went into idling position, 1 person not in the right position causes 7 other players to leave the room to reset the puzzle

[cosmic orchid]

I went on like 6 months in sky and before the DL update there was this candle cluster in valley citatel that I totally did not know existed

[vivid shore]

I think Sky's players have gotten so spoiled because TGC babied them for the longest time, that the said players are now complaining about what should have been a normal part of the game from the very beginning.

Other bigger games have an AFK feature too. Identity V for example, the system automatically detects when you're AFK. I'm sure other games have some kind of this feature too.
If you can't pay full attention or if you have other things to do, then do that. Don't force yourself to play or use other people to gain something while they do all the work.

And if you wish to play a game, you should pay attention and play. If you can't, and wish to Netflix, or make coffee, or take care of your baby, then do that.
Play Sky when you can actually play, and don't bash the devs for trying to make the game a fair one for everyone.

Just saying (my opinion only)

[sand dawn]

I wanna see little 💤’s when my friend is counted as afk so I can wake them up

[jaunty bramble]

Someone knows how much time does it get for the game ti consider u afk?

[blazing sail]

It’s a problem with the game, not with people. Don’t punish people for finding a way to make bad game design more bearable.

[grizzled oxide]

I will note to there are features that have been tested in beta that haven't made their way to live.

While it's not confirmed to have been due to negative feedback, the TS changes come to mind.

With that I'm gonna sleep. Ciao~

[lean ivy]

TGC: We just implemented a new feature in live to help make candle running easier!

TGC, a few days after: haha. No wax for you because a few people get more waiting by the tree

[wild heath]

You also have to remember that any interaction in the game that has to do with the screen is counted as not afk.

Using chat... Moving screen angle... Moving your Skykid... Sure, it's frustrating to know that you can't go work and afk, gaining candles without actually playing the game.

But if you're gaining stuff without actually playing, I don't know. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Also, shoutout to @/sarahthemoney#2045 who mentioned to just leave your Skykid typing. Try that if you feel like being afk, TCG did mention that typing would keep your Skykid non-afk.

[strong creek]

Im no beta tester but yes it would definitely feel like being forced

[carmine dove]

wait, is the afk like affect all realms (like, I have to chat when someone ubers me? so it wont uhh consider me afk?)

thanks for the answer and oh no D:

[sharp narwhal]

socialize in sky is getting on stress now

[solid dune]

You’re compared two entirely different games to each other. Going AFK in IDV is genuinely harmful to the game and others around you. That is not the case for Sky

[placid linden]

Does honking count a socializing?

[spark lance]

All i will say is. Tgc is very smart. They made full cr runners forget about how they ripped us off with the new chevron system by introducing this... 😜😏

[tropic radish]

/Is someone going afk ( with the consent of the uber ) really harming anyone, truly ?
I uber people out of goodness, not thinking they're just using me
Is poking fun of the company really gonna make them go "oh you said that. Okay we'll change it immediately :("

[bright portal]

that's just some opinion if they really wanna add an afk system anyways. I'm not some mega big brain to come up a solution they put themselves in.

[bright yew]

heres the thing. if you add in this AFK thing its most definetly gonne ruin farming experiences. people like me that can be busy with st udying and have no time to do these our selves we cant keep trying to NOT be afk. itll just pile on more with stuff. usually all i have to do is when i afk and im being cred i just can honked at if they need me. its no problem. i usually dont worry about anything until i get honked at. If TGC wants people to sociallize might aswell just not even put those sitting animations for when you go afk for to long. i dont completley agree with this new update -.- its basically just made me throw out the game itself if i cant even do a simple task of doing my own work and being dragged to get Wax from a willing person who wants to uber

[shadow stream]

"Don't force yourselves to play"
Don't also force other people when and how they should play. People can play games whenever they want, whenever they wish. Just saying in my opinion.

[kindred fossil]

It used to when you'd see who else was on the server besides yourself/friends, but not anymore

[cosmic orchid]

from what I've heard here is that people don't place sky as equals to other modern games,
players immerse themselves in sky to relax, unwind and socialize.
kinda why we get these reactions since they wish to keep this game appart from others

I also acknowledge your view, just pointing out other's perspectives

[lean ivy]

You're running low on candles and have to do a call. Just don't feel forced 😌💖

Seriously. Come on dude. Some of y'all have either forgotten your moth days or are so old that you never felt the pressure

[tardy dune]

not liking people be afk during cr is your gameplay style
it doesnt have to affect a huge chunk of players who rely on ubers

[static sigil]

What are the current ways of testing the afk thing?

[feral flicker]

Why are we suddenly getting punished for something they made. That damn tree. Lol

[red rock]

if the game is "fair" to everyone, people who are extremely busy should also have an equal chance to get candles. But the afk system would prevent that if they can't devote all their attention to sky all the time.

[still ibex]

honking is the important language in sky

[spark lance]

Chevron system , what chevron system? Having to do trials even to get same amount as before..... mostly forgotten... tgc has achieved their goal

[silent ingot]

Are the items all going to stay in the little blue bags ? or are they going to go back to their old looks ?because I thought it was much cooler for some to have them on your back. Like the lamp.

[wild heath]

I will readily agree with this. If you want to do something else besides play Sky, like netflix, movie, or gaming, then do that. Sky is a game. If you don't like an AFK system that Most other games have, then take a look at any other game with an afk system and tell me you hate the afk system.

Also, @Merve#8702 it takes the same amount of time to full Candle run after Chevrons. And you can even get More candles. You just get them faster in the beginning. TCG ripped no one off.

[strong creek]

I read your name as honking pastel

[blazing sail]

It’s seriously so disheartening when TGC does something that makes it seem like they’re listening but then also does 5 other things that makes it seem like they’re completely ignoring us.

[random gull]

yall ever just invite a friend over and sit in absolute silence irl? that's like peak introvert socialization right there. afk ubering is similar, it IS socialization. i have a lot more to say but really well leave that for feedback channel.

[odd plinth]

They should apply this rule only for the light that comes from the petals of the tree and not for all the others present on sky!
Because a lot of gamers organize to farm together and a lot of them can use their friends while they study or work… it's a shame if people stop doing it because they can't hold their phone every three seconds.

[humble axle]

Totally agree Yuuriel!

[bright portal]

side note , anyone tested a full cr on beta today? daily light system got an update

[bright yew]

exactly p-p TGC basically handed it to us as a gift and stuff and now their like. "yeah no, you aint having any of that" and just take back everything and just say like. "oh we wants people to socialize more, oh we want active players." If people dont wanna socialize like that they dont have to- People are literally playing the game Sky to play however they want, they can dress the sky kids, they can maybe even use specific emotes you only like. its all in the playstyle and your way of playing, their just making it so its like we all gotta be one person and do the same thing

[lean ivy]

This feels like when that one teacher catches two people cheating and decides to give everyone 0s. AppUnwrapper is spitting facts, btw. Absolutely agree w everything they say

[fluid quail]

I'm about to

[static sigil]

I think for things like the tree people shouldn't afk cause that's boring but I thought the whole point of ubers is that you get to do other stuff

[vapid kestrel]

I do live a full life while being ubered myself, my girlfriend, in my house, Ubers all our CRs and it takes 3hours per day.
I can do homeworks, dishes, cooking, shower, toilet, clean up the house.
I can do so many things everyday when she Ubers me around the realms for candles.
Even her is plainly ok with that.
And when weekend hits and life gets more slow and chill we can go and experience the fun part of the game with all our candle-payed cosmetics and play around freely !

You know, I'd rather have a 30 or even 20 minutes afk timer better than having to "open typing box indefinitely" because if you actually come across a friend and they see you infinite typing.. well I think it's worse on the social side ?
People are used to afk players, and they tend to wait for the text when they see the typing bubble

[tropic radish]

Pointing fingers to the blossom tree at home

[vivid shore]

I don't understand what all the negativity is about. AFK is AFK. And it doesnt sound right that and AFK player gains something while not actually playing. (I'm referring to those who are literally just tagging along and not even looking at their screen, or those who ue sub accounts to cheat their way into getting hearts)

Again, this is only my opinion.

However, one thing I must point out. If I don't gain any candles by being AFK (by accident or on purpose), I expect I don't lose light if I accidentally detach under the rain and/ or black water too.

[shadow token]

Once again, different game. Moba, fps, etc is different from Sky.

Sky is a game where you can relax and enjoy being a child again, and the freedom too. Also, it takes more time to gather the same amount of candles as the old systems. Why? You need to do trials and also the fact that the candles locations are much more than before

[tardy dune]

but afk systems in other games are for penalising for the harm done to other players with you
i see no harm when my friends afk during cr

[abstract fable]

There's something I noticed ||and I've done it myself a few times too|| that I haven't seen anyone talking about still. What about people that are actually socializing outside of sky while playing? How is that fair to them?
I've met a lot of people that play next to each other in real life, or while on voice/video call while playing sky, or even just texting somewhere else like on discord because they don't like Sky's chat system.

[cosmic orchid]

I used to worship the tree for wax, now my faith is wavering /jk

[bright portal]

ya know i was joking a few days ago at #general-sky-discussion to cut down the blossom tree and make bonfires

~~now im seriously considering it ~~ Disclaimer : No trees were harmed in the making of this post

[lean ivy]

You essentially called everyone who was expressing their opinion "babied". But no, can't understand the negativity. And it seems you aren't even trying to👁👁

[shadow stream]

After all of this, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[humble axle]

🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣I'm sorry to interrupt, but i have a question about the seasonal quest... could someone please help me???🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣

[static sigil]

It's kinda sad that it's already gotten to the point where afk players have to be fought off... A year ago everyone played fairly

[tropic radish]

Tbh, sky is different
You can't truly compare it to something like IDV and Mobile Legends. those afk systems exist since you're making a whole team lose. Thus hurting everyone in the team. And you get your punishment

But if you go afk in sky, you're not really hurting anyone. Both get candles. If one afks, what would really happen to the other (leading) ?

[vivid shore]

There are those insensitive players who find friends to attach to, then go AFK without informing the friend in advance, and when they accidentally get dropped or lose light or sth, they blame the uber friend (to the point of demanding to be compensated with a heart because they lost stars). So abusive and disrespectful.

The new AFK system could potentially discourage negative behaviors like that.

[feral flicker]

Why are we using IDENTITY V as an example in this context? Of course it's fair that being AFK there is punishable because it requires teamwork to WIN. You don't have to win nor lose to play and have fun i. Sky. And for all i know, most of us here are okay and does have fun just by being with their friends even if they are AFK.

[hasty vessel]

JUST to offer some perspective on this new afk system... Sky will shortly be available on the Nintendo switch, competing with big names such as splatoon, smash bros, mario kart etc etc which all have an “Active” gameplay style.This sedentary afk gameplay style might be okay on mobile games but when your competing with big name game companies you have to ensure the user feels like their time spent on the game is worth while, I’m not sure if sky on the switch will be free or not but I wouldn’t hop on my switch just to go afk... maybe because of the movement over to switch means that tgc has to reevaluate this sedentary gameplay style which led to this change.

[tardy dune]

that is just case of miscommunication by a very small lot of players
why punish the rest?

[strong creek]

My gf and i usually talk on discord whenever we play sky and she is usually busy with her job, especially this audit season of hers and i would really feel bad if afk system is gonna be implemented and having the system would be a bit saddening for players who wants to collect candles while they are also busy with other things..

[blazing sail]

There have always been ubers since day 1

[cosmic orchid]

that tree gives off some weird vibe from the start too, having those ominous sounds ||Thousand muffled screams of agony||

[hidden knot]

Yeah, I'm actually writing out a beta feedback right now and I'm making sure to voice that the afk system might tag me as afk, despite being active in a voice call with friends and just happened to not interact with the screen

I won't say more than that though, I don't want to drag myself into the discussions right now

[carmine dove]

I mean, they're the souls of the innocent.../j

[silent lily]

🌳 🪓

[static sigil]

Yeah but people used to ask if it's ok to afk

[humble axle]

The last quest in the season tells you to visit the spirit near the forest temple.... where does this refer to?? I've been through forest several times and still have no clue! Lol

[solid dune]

You are blaming people for your lack of communications. You have ALL the power to tell someone to not be AFK, and you have all the power to let go of their hand. If they refuse you still, and even yell at you, you have all the power to simply blocking them, doing yourself a favor.

[hollow compass]

It's the treehouse close to the temple. Look on the left side of it.

[shadow stream]

After this we dance around the newly made bonfire

[opal merlin]

no issues on the switch since we will still probably have the joycon drift anyways XD

[tropic radish]

/If someone brings up "unequal effort",
Aren't we supposed to help others without hoping for something in return ? Out of good ?
( Not counting deals. Ex : switching leads per realm. That's a different story )

Y'all the tree doesn't know anything about this what did it do wrong

[vivid shore]

Maybe it only requires some polishing (ie, tagging at least 1 hour AFK players as AFK instead of 5 minutes)

But I do agree with the AFK system 100%.

This is my personal opinion. You may agree, you may not, and that's okay.

[blazing sail]

Well then they need to redesign the entire game because running through the same 6 realms every single day for light is not exactly a stimulating experience.

[cosmic orchid]

ritual dance, Oh great TS, we offer you the fumes of this tree /jk

[lean ivy]

And when they try, they take away stuff like this :/

[iron anchor]

Fr they need to clarify or remove or fixed the afk system ASAP

[silent lily]

After lots of hardwork, finally we have
🪵 🪵 🪵

[vapid kestrel]

You got a real point but that, in my opinion, would be against Sky's actual point and feeling "ressembling those games by including their rules"
Like, marketing speaking Sky Switch will fight against those big games
But Playing speaking the game and goals are way too different ?
It's like saying a chocolate bar will compete in a most sugary fruits contest ?

[bright portal]

next update : free bonfires for everyone
@stark cloud im a solo runner as well, but its the thought that counts :')

[humble axle]

Ty very much for answering 🙂

The treehouse on the right as you enter the last area in forest before the temple? On the right hand side of that?

[umbral moon]

take out the falling fragments from the tree and problem solved

[stark cloud]

Me who not need to be uber in Sky reading all the comment be like:

[honest shuttle]

Also many people are afk sometimes because life but then also uber. It becomes symbiotic between friends.

[hollow compass]

Yes, on the right (there is only one). But it can be a bit confusing, because there is also a quest on the main platform as you approach it. Look on the left side instead.

[viral atlas]

you know, the new candle system is implemented to help those busy people you mentioned, who don't have lot of time for a game in their day

tgc changed a forever stagnant system for the purpose of helping those busy people(so as tgc claims)

so tgc cares about them and wants them to be on sky for as long as possible.

If afk thing comes into place, there won't be lot of players even to discuss right now(as tgc itself considering that there are lot of busy people who wishes to be a part of sky despite their busy schedule)

[tropic radish]

Juggler and crab call stumbles in home about 2-3 days after previous TS

[strong creek]

I have an idea tho but this is purely my opinion, you guys can think about it too.

How about instead of not receiving any lights, just automatically remove their holds hands after an hour of inactivity? Like, the person who is pulling that person can always wait for the AFK person to comeback (gg in wasteland tho).

Idk.. it's just my opinion..

[opal merlin]

beta players: tree's haunted
tgc: what
beta players grabbing axes: tree's haunted

[feral flicker]

That pink, sakura tree isn't looking very cute right now... 🙄

[cosmic orchid]

I agree with the afk system, well if it's adjusted to say 10 or 20 mins since 5 mins seems to harsh on other players

[bright yew]

the new updates are ruining my experience and intrest in the game. . . i might end up un installing it if it keeps going like this p-p

[silent lily]

🔥
🪵

[wild heath]

Reminder that this is beta and nothing is final.

[elder musk]

Even if the afk system needs change, I think it could have been communicated better, highlighting why the change is needed and encouraging players to be active, instead of overhauling a system, based on player behaviour from 1 night alone? I am surprised tgc reacted to it so quickly tbh.

[bright portal]

"my hands are sweaty , sorry steve" leaves him in eden stormlock

[lean ivy]

Recently I've been finding myself going a day or two without playing sky because full cring has burnt me out so much that the game isn't fun. I've been playing Genshin Impact or AJPW and enjoying my time. Yet I've been feeling pressure internally because I know that another ts is coming around. I only have 400+ candles. I feel like I need to start being ubered instead of ubering for a change. But then... this happens. If nobody can understand the negativity, then I'm afraid they can't really understand much of anything outside their opinion

[humble axle]

Okipoki! Thanks again 🙂

[vapid kestrel]

This could be good but assuming you are dragging a row of 3 people and the one between you and the other two is being "afk dropped" every five minutes
That would be inconvenient for the other people to have to join back ?

[umbral moon]

this is all so ridiculous. my best friend and I take turns carrying each other while doing housework or studying, and when we're finished we get to actually socialize without the pressure of candle running. why would that be a bad thing?

I'm not going to criticize TGC because I see that they have reasons for this but I believe it could be done differently.

[carmine dove]

a skid: why do I hear muffled screaming in the tree?

the petal lady spirit: (IT'S THE SOULS OF THE INNOCENTS) A tree :>

the petal lady spirit: (NOOOOOO) 2 trees :>

[shadow token]

Why not make the wax/candles like those items in the boat store?

Like... You'll be able to get a fixed amount of waxes/candles every reset. Ooh, or make it per hour(s) and make it able to stack! So no more people afking under the tree because they can just collect it later anytime they want!

Im sorry for my bad English, using translator is hard

[shadow stream]

Those are secretly the past souls of the skykids with each sacrifice being done in Eden. 👀

[stark cloud]

With spotlight, we can do MrBean falling from sky memes

[cosmic orchid]

Blooms guide: There are no trapped moths in Ba Sing Se Bloom tree

[solid dune]

I feel like if we had a community poll on whether to implement the afk thing or not. 80% would say and 20% would say and TGC would listen to the 20%

[bitter slate]

They reacted so quickly because people are getting more candles with less work and of course we can't have that because candles = money for tgc :/

more and more of their decisions are just making them look greedy imo

[strong creek]

Yeah that would be the problem tho.. also yikes.. this is why I don't really get why they would want to implement penalties.. they could've just leave a bit busy afk people alone

[spark lance]

Isn't that how they did it during Days of Fortune? I kinda agree here - why switch from a fixed wax cap?

[silent lily]

Maybe they can just give a warning after 10 mins of total inactivity with your skykid hoking saying that light collection will stop in 10 more mins of inactivity.
Skykid honk so that player can know about the warning even if they aren't looking at the phone

[safe knoll]

I'm gonna drop a quick update on Daily Light changes currently on Beta!

3 chevron rates: 82 wax
2 chevron rates: 138 wax
1 chevron rates: 190 wax

I'm working on 0 chevron right now.
Which means from 0-15 candles require 2050 wax in this beta build, versus normal 2250 wax in the Live version.

Another way to look at this is to run 15 candles on beta you only need to run 13.6 candles on Live.

Any thoughts?

[fluid quail]

Ima cri if my afk friends left the game
hope they can take this hit if it comes to live 😂

[vivid shore]

We cannot have a poll because it will be unfair to those other players who don't have access to discord or Sky social media.

There's only a few thousands of us here, and there's millions of them out there

[willow fog]

We don’t know yet if the feature will be implemented and we had features removed before due to very negative feedback

[lean ivy]

But yes. An afk system is totally needed bc just a few people decided they wanted more candles in preparation for the Sky high prices of a new event and/or a ts

[steady pond]

lol

[carmine dove]

skids: Hmmmm, convincing. oh well, byee! :D

petal flower lady: Byeee :D

moffs trapped in the tree: AEUGH D:

[bright portal]

tgc's revenue as of February 2021 is roughly $4 million, they sure came a long way

[viral epoch]

I haven't done a proper candle run in... say 3-4 months? I've just been living on candles gotten at the end of a season and the off-season quest rewards.
I don't see why everyone is so upset they won't be able to candlerun because they're busy a certain day, or week even. Sky isn't a priority, it's a game that you should enjoy. You aren't enjoying anything if you're just getting dragged around by someone else while not even looking at the screen, there's got to be some interaction

In my opinion, they should increase the timer to 30-40 minutes for afk, since a full cr can last up to 3 or even 4 hours at max, you won't have to tap your screen more than 10 times. Still, wasn't the main reason this was added to discourage players from sitting under the tree and getting 20 candles overnight while sleeping? In that case, maybe keep the afk timer 5-10 minutes, and increase it to 30-40 if you're holding the hand of a friend and they're dragging you around, how's that sound?

[hasty vessel]

I remember this! We all went cray cray 😂

[umbral moon]

again, make the fragments from the tree limited, as in you get X amount per day and that's it.
don't punish the ones that can't be constantly looking at the screen.

[solid dune]

BABAHAHAA I REMEMBER THAT IT WAS SO BAD

[dense holly]

Honestly, would rather lose the light from the blossom tree than have the away from the keyboard system. As someone who ubers and has been ubered myself, this could be detrimental. And if it makes it to live, they'll lose more players...

[feral flicker]

If TGC is so offended by players collecting lots of wax from tree, why don't they just adjust the wax or something... But no, they would rather change gameplay/experience.... What...??? (I'm starting to think they had this in mind long before the tree thing happened... I don't know)

[lean ivy]

I've heard a lot of people responding to me in the past saying full crers are the minority in Sky, therefore my opinion wasn't worth consideration when I talked about things in this very same chat. Now the majority, including me, is saying they don't like this. Then suddenly TGC is like "no, we listen to ourselves now :)". I agree that TGC is beginning to seem greedier and greedier. It's not Christmas. Go away, Scrooge

Edit: the "we listen to ourselves" comment is just my interpretation :/

[steady pond]

man if one tree can cause so much discourse we should just chop it down and all of this would be over

[bright portal]

lets all tell the blossom tree politely to stop dropping lights and maybe tgc will consider 🪓

[silent lily]

Yeah i think so too, this was cooking for a long time. But i feel like they could've presented it in a better manner like they did with daily light. They just immediately posted a short message about it without any explanation on true gameplay other than the tree idling thing.

[carmine dove]

instead of chopping the tree, let's burn it

[umbral moon]

how about an in-game poll? like the ones that sometimes offer you to anwer a few questions for a candle? that would encourage players to actually answer it

[solid dune]

Days of Bloom spirit better hope she can run in those sandals

[elder musk]

Well, the tree was initially reluctant to drop lights. It knew something then already ☺️

[tropic radish]

I *chopped down the tree
But imo let's just ask it to stop dropping wax. It's too pretty to chop down www

[viral atlas]

lol yeah they just leave all the bugs and glitches which hinders sky experience for months and reacts to something which doesn't even cause any harm to anyone in matter of days.

I always thought n tgc was being understaffed and has lots on their hands poor guys for not addressing bugs asap, but now.. my life is a lie

[vapid kestrel]

Also
Implementing an "everyone going to toilet gonna stop gaining light from candles on a ubered run" actually started because "a few people sat under the tree to see how many candles they'd get"
So.. why can't we just. Like. Not have "Bonus Wax" from homeSpace events like Sakura Tree or Fortune dragon that could be collected by just staying there, instead of punishing the half community who is trying to enjoy the game at it's fullest and have a life at the same time ?

[fervent loom]

Like the old saying goes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. (pls just cap light from tree 😭)

[lean ivy]

Why do I feel like the swift bringing on of this update means they aren't going to pause for the opinions of beta testers and only stop to fix bugs abt it before bringing it to Live

[bright portal]

Disclaimer from this chat : We do not condone deforestation or violence in real life

[silent lily]

Can't go back in time, it's already chopped in beta.
What's done is done :SkyCozy: :pPopcorn:

[feral flicker]

LOL HAHA. YES. WE LOVE TREES. WINK WINK

[ionic bluff]

Hopefully they test this in beta for longer. Recently I’ve been thinking tgc hasn’t been testing in beta long enough and it’s caused problems (daily light) more feedback and changes would’ve helped because a TON of people on this discord were upset

[tropic radish]

Permanent ;;...

no compensations in beta

[solid dune]

I’m still awake

[lean ivy]

These clouds I'm flying through look awfully COUGH dark!!

[south current]

i mean this with all due respect, but Sky never was a candle-collecting game to me. i go online because i want to socialize and interact with my friends. the candle runs for me are just things you could do while making meaningful memories with other players, which is what I personally aim for in the game. i get TGC's POV with implementing this system, because it is a social interactivity game after all. and honestly, I would also be affected because I play this game with friends from different timezones and sometimes i fall asleep during CRs and tbh it's fine if I don't get the wax if i suddenly became afk. candles and hearts are all symbolic to me of how my friendships with people have multiplied, deepened and grown. I'm sure other people have other experiences but personally, this is how I experience Sky. I love this game so much. It's helped me become better at socializing, gave me so many meaningul friendships and helped me feel less lonely during this pandemic; and i think it's because TGC prioritizes socializing in the game which is why I enjoy it so much. but i do agree the timer could be longer. 🥺

[dense holly]

I hope everyone is submitting their opinions about this in feedback. Lets do our best to stop it from hitting live! Or at least have them alter is, cause idontwantthistomakeittolive 😭🥺

[steady pond]

although, this really needs to be repeated:

there have been varied timings for when you are determined to be AFK, so please please please find a friend, and then test it out in beta.

we still have to test it, ktjn said AFK timing is subject to change, and as i pointed out with the candle exchange <-> ult gift thing, backlash has been so great that changes perceived as harmful to the community has been dropped before. so drop this into feedback, and we'll see how it goes. who knows, this might not even make it to live at all

[bright portal]

twitter and facebook did NOT hold back

[viral atlas]

I feel like tgc intentionally brought the afk update to comically lit 🔥 under inactive skykids, just to wake them up and make sky more lively , just kidding 😅

||i wish they don't take this joke too far =_=, this is joke right, right?😭||

[silent lily]

Well, they literally tested daily light for months in beta, the translation has been in test for almost a year and the ts system too (kind of)
This will most likely be in beta only for a long time before it comes to live because they sure don't want to create a mess out of it

[kind prawn]

Awesome update, the stuff, the swings.. all very cool

[ionic bluff]

This is such an easy way to get wax tho. I feel like tgc removing this is just reinforcing the fact that you’re gonna need to work to get candles. My friends are not on constantly for me to be sitting under the tree and I don’t wanna be sitting there for hours but constantly looking at my camera boredly for wax

[swift edge]

This is really not the way to solve this issue.... The blossom tree will be here just for some days, afk candle runners are here since always. Why would u punish everyone cuz of a little event???

[peak token]

why do blossom tree with petal wax exist in the beginning tho

[stark cloud]

No matter what, test the new features and give #beta-feedback

[feral flicker]

I would rather hope that this is the case and they scrap the afk thing....

[hidden knot]

skybot told me about invite waves when I sent feedback I
skybot are you ok
(clarification since the got me worried: they just sent the usual "get the invite ping role to be aware of future waves" message)

[bright portal]

haha early set up April Fools joke good one TGC!

||..wait what please no-||

[shadow stream]

I never thought a single tree would bring so much chaos and division and possible changes in the future. Tree is secretly bad luck. Let's cut down the tree and free those souls lol

[wild heath]

This all could be like, a what-if on TCG's end, like ofc, the offering Ults for Candles.
What if we brought an afk system to the game?
It could totally be a what if, and like everything, nothing is final in Beta.

[safe knoll]

The event lasts only 2 weeks and the candle count is already limited by the new system.

And the portion of people who actually AFK under the tree is just ... a drop in the ocean.

Not to mention that the Tree is dropping very few Light as of now.

There's no reason TGC putting out such a change that literally contradicts the core values of Sky itself.

[lean ivy]

Your pfp would already know how bad trees can be 👁👁

[silent lily]

All the what ifs and ideas are tested in beta, so yes

[steady flume]

I don't understand why they made the tree drop free wax in the first place though, if they're not okay with people collecting it. It seems like they had the whole AFK system in mind for quite a while and were waiting for the "right" time

[iron anchor]

It's like 1 wax every 5 mins... Won't do much ;w;

[tropic radish]

/Maybe, JUST maybe
There are other ways to free the souls from that tree instead of just chopping it down

[kind prawn]

So, what does the book shelf type thing do?? Same for the pot & pillow?? (If that’s what they are)

(I don’t have enough hearts to know.)

[peak token]

if the afk thing exist, then an update to wake the skykid before the afk mode triggered is the solution then

[ionic bluff]

I guess you could say that, but there’s smaller features they been keeping in beta that could go to live for MUCH longer (portrait mode). For something like this I was definitely expecting more balancing, having a huge amount of candles in the trials has upset a ton of people. If anything, they could’ve updated the live players and done a poll on it to get some better answers and feedback. I know there was balancing today but that’s not the point. Some things with VERY MAJOR CHANGES should be carefully taken with more feedback before it goes to live

[sullen relic]

minor point, but i just relayed your message to #contact-the-mods -- skybot also pinged me there when i did it

[bright portal]

carry the tree to eden then
wait no it will be reborned

[shadow stream]

That reference 🤣 People really like to hang there a lot. Smh.

First time someone acknowledged my pfp lol

[wild heath]

sigh
Candle Count is NOT LIMITED by the system. You can still get the same amount of candles as before the update. Even more, if you do a full CR. You just get candles faster in the beginning. Why do people not realize this?

There's more candles yes, but dude, that's to make it so places like Vault isn't totally freaking empty. No one said you have to fully candle run all of the new candles. You can if you want to, but that's on you.

[silent lily]

What? You should've seen beta chat or the game itself the day the tree was on full bloom, literally almost everyone was under the tree.

[viral atlas]

yeah it's very true, everything in beta is not final, it's still new will definitely change in one way or other

it's just we poor sky kids got a jump scare and letting our worked up stress out here||atleast me||😅

and reacting early can prevent the "what if" to not become "yeah it's final"

[tropic radish]

Double souled tree. Even more souls will be trapped that way

[soft monolith]

I have an idea, just put the tree near the wasteland plant with krills. Problem resolved

[hidden knot]

Ahh, good to know it wasn't just me I guess
While I'm thinking of it, it's good that you guys are discussing in here, but don't forget to leave some feedback in #beta-feedback too! (Just make sure to be constructive about it)

[safe knoll]

Candle count is not limited but wax itself is limited. Also there's a system built in-game to prevent exploitation, a "hard cap" which after this point you can't CR anymore.

[vagrant heart]

@feral flicker please remember to not bypass the filters even with emojis. Thank you!

[iron anchor]

!krill blossom tree

[lean ivy]

BAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, Im currently waiting for the new merch drop on the 26th. I've been obsessed with that game for a month or two now

Anyways, to make this Sky relevant, still hate the Afk system ✨

[sweet briar]

My progress for season of assembly is being weird I got things I already bought but it says I didn’t use candles for it? Why is it doing this

[wild heath]

K. But who would want to spend hours to get that hard cap of what... Like 23-25 candles? Almost everyone here can't handle a 3 hour candle run. So why even go that far?

[peak token]

since beta is testing the afk mode, why dont we have a thing to wake up skykid before the afk mode is triggered? it will be good enough!

[vapid kestrel]

I have to say that you still need a little more time to collect the whole CR wax now since there are more candles to run into but yes overall we still get 18/19 candles a day and you can even go to a bit more than 20 if you go Trials, that, in my case, means that we actually are able to get MORE candles now

[finite inlet]

huh what does that mean??

[cosmic orchid]

my skykid: Are you still watching? me:

[late mountain]

Lots of items have been moving and getting added to the spirit trees recently. Items you haven't bought that got added or moved will still be unpurchased even if you have items above or to the side of it.

[silent lily]

It'll be kinda better if they first start off with a warning if you stay inactive for 10 minutes saying "you feel sleepy" and then if inactivity stays for more 10 mins, your skykid just stays at the spot and the sleep emote activates lol

[lean ivy]

Anyways, I'm gonna go play genshin and watch my 11th time through Omori while trying not to feel guilty about not cring. Some of the people here consistently don't understand how pressure to get candles works along with low motivation. Stay safe and keep testing, y'all. Don't get krilled, either

[bright portal]

Make oreo barking at us to wake up

[abstract fable]

I see what you mean and I agree to some extent. But I see candle running as socializing, even if the socialization happening is someone being nice and dragging someone else while afk. If using candles as a socialization starter is wrong, then they should give us more stuff to socialize with each other.
I've been playing for almost a year, hide and seek isn't fun anymore. Every update they bring is always about candles, getting them, or stuff to use them on. There's no update to socializing. We even got a message system and can only be used to receive messages from tgc themselves.
They even take away the stuff we use to socialize and entertain ourselves, like the walking emote bug. Me, my friends, and so many strangers were having so much fun with it, making up silly stuff. It was an innocent bug that was used to have fun socializing and got fixed anyway.

[peak token]

lemme give you an example

so i need uber since im busy, then do cr bla bla while imsemi-afk, so before afk mode triggers my device, there should be a notification like maybe a bell or smth to wake me up before the afk mode is triggered so i can stay active by sliding screen or maybe chatting with the uber (if they rlly need to focus on the cr i might just gonna honk or maybe tap an emote or maybe slide my screen or tap burn the waxes)

ah sorry if sounded confusing bc im being big brain while my brain is swoosh swoosh

[dense holly]

Can't they just do what they did with the dragon and limit the tree giving light only at certain times of day?? I think that would be better than this new system 🥺

[finite inlet]

@peak token ohhh thanks I get it now

[shadow stream]

Maybe I will play Omori too just to take my mind off of all this. Bye guys!

[minor falcon]

you can't reach the hard cap (23) with wax currently available in realms in live or in beta, we only managed it after hours of collecting under the tree with accelerated wax drops during those two days in testing - I think we'll get other "passive" wax sources in the future and devs don't want us to be passive if we use those sources

[analog pumice]

This actually sounds cool

[cosmic orchid]

sleep mode activate, falls face first to a krill

[feral flicker]

I know, right??!!!

[tropic radish]

Faceplant Facekrilled

[vocal pasture]

another problem w the sleep mode is that once it activates you dont really know when you've stopped receiving light so its really inconvenient when you go back and search for what you've farmed and what you didn't

[vapid kestrel]

Still on the afk stuff I'd like to add :
I have a friend who can only run at late night because life busy, and she tends to fall asleep while Forest or Wasteland (a curse ? Idk) and I'd feel safer for her to know that being afk 15 or 20 minutes might actually disconnect her from the game.

I think something like this would be better than "five minutes not touching and you'll have to come back to collect those wax"
So yeah, expending the afk time, and actually closing the game for reasons :
•If you fell asleep or can't look at your phone, your skid is safe
•if the game gently closes with "you've been AFK too long, game closed for safety" notification, then the phone can rest and avoid heat and battery consuming
•if you actually disappear your friends can contact you through other medias to call you back
•friends don't Uber you for nothing (since if I'm understanding right now being ubered afk doesn't collect wax)

[cosmic orchid]

you almost falling asleep
sky: plays screaming groundhog AaaaaaAAA

[peak token]

also maybe in my suggestion you might gonna high up volume so the wake up system will be heard perfectly before it triggers afk mode, maybe the bell to wake up the skykid a min or 2 before the afk mode is triggered

my opinion anws

[hollow glacier]

Hi! Is the afk system triggered after 2 mins? (like in beta as of current)

[bright portal]

Why did i imagine the homespace hourly bell

[hidden knot]

Oooh I actually like those points! I might consider making another feedback to bring up ideas inspired by your points (if you don't mind)

[peak token]

that would be great 🤣

[cosmic orchid]

I sorta imagine the Uber picking up a stick and banging it with the pot to wake up the ones being ubered

[vapid kestrel]

Let's say after being afk 15 minutes in a realm you return home
And after being afk 15 minutes in home, the game actually closes

Since the new inbox system we could get a notification that we got home returned for safety

[bitter slate]

I don't think closing the game itself would be a good idea tbh.. A lot of people (including myself) like to take naps or sleep with the game running and it's always sad waking up to the game closed

[ashen tundra]

The fact i can't collect light while afk and moving my camera, means i can't do the dishes while one of my friends uber me and vice versa :')

It was really fun too, we get to hit two birds with one stone. Plus we just simply enjoy eachother's company

[bright portal]

Actually, not a bad idea , its better then to be penalize and not get wax while still in the cr

[sweet briar]

I mean I bought items I was almost done with the season I needed to get the hearts left but now it’s showing that I need to buy it again :/ which is frustrating because I will not be able to get ultimate gift if this isn’t fixed 😭

[tacit stone]

But also be aware that as much time as the daily system took in beta testing before coming to live, the wax figure is still flawed the moment it was released in live. So its important for us players to stay aware of what they r trying to implement in our gameplay, including introducing 50 likes to the shrines secretly without mentioning it in any patch note even until now.

[cosmic orchid]

that's actually not bad, I support this fail-safe system

[tropic radish]

My impatient beta skykid has to skip the mask because I got carried away and forgot spirits trees are reararrangable anytime lols

[hidden knot]

I wouldn't say it's a bug (im assuming thats what you think since you said "isnt fixed"), I think its more of the devs changing the layout of the spirit trees before it hits live. Thats happening to me too. Still report if you aren't sure though

[kindred fossil]

They didn't let us test the removal of honk radar

[alpine field]

Wait i thought it was only for message boats??? Huh???

[late mountain]

Oh? That sounds more like a bug if you're certain its items you already bought. 🐛 Hopefully you might be able to save up and get them all at once and also submit a bug report.

[vapid kestrel]

And it would let Ubers know, wait, and be able to contact afks for them to come back 💙

@bitter slate I understand that it would be disappointing but why would you like to open the game in order to sleep in the first place tho ? ._.

[ashen tundra]

Is this "wax afk system" only for the tree or all the wax in game?

Aww, i wish it will just be the tree :pCry:

[steady pond]

radar honk is truly the only hill i will be willing to die on

[rapid stirrup]

seems to be all wax

[bright portal]

Hey eden, welcome back how's dinner?

Nice , sleepy after a full tummy

[sweet briar]

Yes i think it is bug too :(( I hope it goes away soon and I get season gifts

[limpid crown]

Can someone explain what's 'honk radar'?

[rustic quartz]

hello! I come from live. seeing the afk punishment system for all wax in the future... hoo boy. emotionally, this activated my fight or flight response. I needa calm down. I hope y'all are doing okay and not starting fights in here or something

[peak token]

man if those campers arent greedy like that, this update wont be released

[viral atlas]

I don't see the harm/loss to anyone if a player goes afk in the game throughout a full cr.

No matter how much you deny that candles and hearts are not important for sky, sky is all about friendship kindness tranquility, the fact remains same, everybody needs sky currency for almost everything these days

but if everyone thinks that way, tgc wouldn't be making any money out of pass and iap, so yeah cosmetics play an ever important role than you give them credit for.

and if i have 1 hour of free time, by getting ubered i can spend my 1hr free time feeling the tranquil vibes of sky with friends but with this afk, i need to spend what little free time i have to monitor my cr.
How is this doing good to anyone.

[tacit stone]

Except for the meditation shrine of the day, all the regular shrines are affected too. And such a big change is never mentioned in live patch note.

[iron anchor]

As an uber I'll feel bad if my friend can't get the waxes, and it's just burden me to spamming honk every 5 minutes to remind my friend not AFK ing :)

[bitter slate]

It's not just me?;; I see a lot of people do it too and I like cuddling with my bf in game and falling asleep that way, it's cute! Other people might like falling asleep to the sounds in the game, or like being surrounded by people before sleeping/after (since sometimes anons or other friends join you if they see you nap). It's just overall a nice experience

[ashen tundra]

I can understand the thing about the camping tree situation, but i wish only the wax from the tree wont count if you're afk and not all the wax even around the realms

Im sending this in feedback

[vocal pasture]

it seems to me that the company is trying to protect farmers from having to carry afk players around (like those who are actually afk and don't hold hands after the animations) but the problem is that they need to find a better way to define what afk really is in the game

[river socket]

so i heard rumors that now u need to be active on a cr to get the wax? before i say anything is this true?

[limpid crown]

Can someone please answer me what's a Honk Radar?

[bright portal]

Back then, when we honk we can see every players in the map
Its useful because if we see folks near a multiplayer door, we can go to them and see if they need help , not all players honk for help

Ikr, dark

[spice mason]

Gonna be honest I never got griefed when the honk radar was a thing.

[kindred fossil]

I feel old when a player asks what the honk radar was...

[vapid kestrel]

Understandable but i'd still suggest game closing after too long afk, not in order to ruin this kind of adorableness tho, but actually in order to save your phone and battery from dying because game went open for hours at night although you enjoyed it only an hour before sleeping ?

[rustic quartz]

I see that thoughtful discussion is taking place here... whew. much better than whatever happened with the lantern incident(?) or something that happened around or before prophecy that enraged everyone here. Take care everyone

[tacit stone]

How they even have this thought of punishing all afk players when the only thing that had happened until now was a minor group of players afk near the blossom tree to receive the little wax? We would rather the blossom tree's wax be removed than getting punished like this.

It's just sad to get this treatment.

[peak token]

actually, why do the devs putting waxes in the blossom tree? isnt that to trigger greedy players? yes the amount of the wax is a little but they are eager enough to stay for it

[river socket]

so, this sucks if u ask aid to an uber its cuz u probably cant be that active this is tbh quite unfair and makes u not want to cr with friends

isnt the purpose of sky to be with friends then why punish people who are innactive this change tbh sucks and shouldnt be implemented also if this is true why adding the wax at blossom tree if u cant afk on it to get candles

this change is not effective at all

[bright portal]

It definitely feels like an excuse to implement something they have been putting on the shelf for a long time and had this golden oppoturnity , imo
Why? Profiting strategy perhaps. But i dont wanna point fingers too much

[feral flicker]

Pls pls pls use these statements/concerns as your feedbacks. 😿😿😿 #beta-feedback

[cosmic orchid]

what? there was griefing in sky? my god

[jolly sail]

I am so sad that I can’t get the Ultimate Gift Cape cause all of my spirits where 100% before all the changes 😩

[kindred fossil]

Not everyone is silently AFK'ing under the tree farming for wax, ever since the event began I saw so many "AFK" parties made up of bunch of friends socializing and messing around under the shade, isn't that the desirable outcome?

[ashen tundra]

I was suprised to even hear that griefing was even possible in sky

[rapid stirrup]

(aww, hmu if you want a shoulder wheezu ... also, grandmoth checking out beta!! )

[gosh darn slowmode... here's my actual input] my take on the afking thing is a lot of the times, i'll cr with friends while chatting in a vc with them, and if i'm not leading, i'm not going to stare at my screen 24/7 bc i know that if i need to pay attention, i'll be told to do that verbally and i can respond immediately. so now, instead of being to casually working on schoolwork on the side, i have to keep on hand on my screen...

[spice mason]

Apparently that's what inspired the change. But. I never encountered it myself.

[tacit stone]

Im so heartbroken that they do all these new things to "correct us" and stop us from all kinds of "exploiting". Its too much negativity for my heart to handle. Its so suffocating that it reminds me of some real life people that causes me to hate being socialized in the first place.

[peak token]

we make mistakes but it doesnt mean to punish us just for a small mistake, i mean you can just stop the blossom tree waxes and everything back to normal

[pale junco]

What is honk radar 👁️👄 👁️

[vocal pasture]

I don't think closing the game is wise either lmao sometimes when im working and im online w friends we all go afk tgt, its really about just giving each other company, if they force close the game or your phone you'll have to relog into the game and everything which ruins the purpose (idk if its just me but sometimes just sitting next to each other in sky and working on other stuff is also part of the fun)

[bright portal]

You'd be interested when players used to be able to griefed using table (blocking portals, friend constellation, etc)
Back then all props are solid , unlike now we have to sit on them first

[tropic radish]

I wish this was never the case
But, it's hard to ignore when you've been a victim of griefing in this game
I STILL want radar honk to come back tho, so i can troll back griefers

[cosmic orchid]

am glad that's settled
ooooo so that's why people can hide using a table before, and now with the bookcase, makes sense

[kindred fossil]

Old core game feature, it helped you locate others players on the map, both far and nearby. It was extremely helpful for socializing and helping out players

[ashen tundra]

Omg true. I was doing some work while i was just afk under the tree waiting for reset to pop up, but them i heard a musician playing a song from omori and i couldnt help but go up to then once they finished playing. I put up my chat table and we were chatting for a while about omori and we had a lot of interest in common! We even added each other in sky

[spice mason]

Radar honk also did a lot of good. And. Created a sense of community imo .

[peak token]

most of the person im ubering asked me to leave them whenever they afk and got unholded hand without complains or smth, even myself when i got an uber

[dense holly]

Submit feedback y'all! I'm honestly, also encouraging my non beta friends to submit feedback as well! Lets do our best!! 💪🏾

[iron anchor]

Seems like honk radar a better solution for "socializing thing" than afk system.

[bright portal]

"old core game feature"

Cmon man it was only like 10 months ago dont make me and my skykid feel old :pCry:

[feral flicker]

I want to protest and use #FreeTheTree as a tagline. I originally thought #ChopTheTree but it doesn't sound eco-friendly LOLL

[rustic quartz]

(suddenly, I don't recognize you belle jk jk.)

The one thing I'm relieved about is that at least TGC beta tests these big changes first before releasing them live. (except for the 50 hearts shrine thing, which I'm kinda annoyed about, but that's an exception).

As a live player, I can't really send beta feedback but if this gets released to live, this may be the last straw. I really hope I don't have to send feedback about this in live. It's... hoo boy.

[ashen tundra]

But that came with a lot of problems as well, so i think it was for the best that they removed radar honk for now 😔

It caused a lot of griefing back in the day. i wasnt around at that time, but i can tell it was horrible

[late mountain]

A reminder TGC is already open to feedback in the feedback channels. No need to be protesting anything.

[rapid stirrup]

yeah! i think most ppl get that if they afk, they risk getting dropped so that the ppl who need to cr can continue. we shouldn't be punished for going idle for like 5 min

maybe raise the time by like a lot? like... 5-6 hrs, since the issue is ppl going afk overnight

[languid gale]

Maybe make a cap for the tree instead of attacking the whole afk thing

[lusty light]

6 hours is still overnight lol

[peak token]

also whenever i got an uber, i used to afk a lot because my mom need a help all of sudden so yeah, the uber let me afk tho

[cosmic orchid]

maybe 30 mins? I think that amount would suffice

[lusty light]

That’s a ton of time to sit there and get everything by just sleeping

[hollow compass]

Please remember that this new feature was literally introduced a few hours ago and is now hopefully (?) being evaluated and tested by beta players, not just discussed here. Everyone is welcome to leave feedback, but if you're a Live player maybe you should wait a little while until the feature has been tested properly. 🙂

[hidden knot]

I think 5-6 hours is a bit much, maybe 30mins to an hour?
Usually when I afk with friends I don't interact every 5 minutes, but def a few times in a 30-1 hour time frame

[river socket]

overall i think this change sucks for crs with friends good thing is that i dont candle run with friends still im not supportive towards this and i would like to not see it implemented, in the end if someone is super afk i just drop them there, not a big deal to make this radical change

[swift edge]

They want us to be free and create new ways to play but they are dictating what freedom is and what is not
Sure, TGC needs to manage the game but I see many things that are more important being ignored. Like how MANY glitches appear in every new season. Instead of focusing on those TGC is worried about a few ppl under a tree and it's SO frustrating.
Chop down that tree if it's such a big problem to the community

[hollow bolt]

I saw in someone’s mediation candle today that they lay all night under the tree, and only got 1 candle from it.

And if the tree is only there for 2 weeks, it seems a bit crazy to change the whole system because of one tree that’s going to leave after a few days 🤔

[kindred fossil]

I'm almost a 2 year old player

[quick harbor]

So basically, afk in cr can happen? I have no friends so I can't test it myself

[lusty light]

It’s future proofing for future systems since they plan to add other ways to passively gain light

[fluid quail]

ok so.. i use controller and when i use controllers i don't need to touch the screen. I got AFK flagged for using controllers.. awesome

I recommend reading the original patch note about this matter in #beta-announcements @unique pagoda

[unique pagoda]

Question because I don’t know if I am reading this properly. So, because people were AFKing on the tree, they’re going to punish EVERYONE who is AFKing anywhere else?? Or only those by the tree?

[vocal pasture]

if its the tree that they're worried about they honestly could just cap it like some people mentioned already

[bright portal]

happy 2 yr old to your skykid in advance

[spark lance]

Same question. Because I thought, this update is effective for those afk-ing under the tree.

[cosmic orchid]

I think people would try to leave their phones on over night because they can gain from it, even if its like 1 candle, a lot of people will still try it out,

[rustic quartz]

which is why I'm holding back on feedback unless/until it arrives live. anyways, thank you all beta testers, you carry the backs of us back in live! see y'all, and godspeed

[river socket]

agree why making a tree that lets u afk to get candles TGC just contradicts itself, just drop the afk people who not take ur hand on crs and chop that tree if TGC hates us to get candles by doing nothing

same with the boat system why let us get hearts that way and then saying u dont like it... this kind of decisions make me not like the job of TGC

[half cypress]

I feel bad for the devices that are left on overnight; their batteries are going to have a short shelf life.

[late mountain]

I’m hoping that we might get more passive wax events in the future if they’re considering this for future events as mentioned in the update. Would be sweet to have a nice spot to chill with friends under a beautiful event area every now and then while still getting wax trickle. Would make the spot more popular too so you might meet and make new friends

[hollow bolt]

That makes total sense!
It’s actually quite clever since it’ll hugely affect the players with multiple accounts 🤔

[rapid stirrup]

i think this shows a problem with the economy in sky more than anything else then

[hidden knot]

From the updates channel: "This change will affect future events, as well as light farming in the world."
So it's impacting everywhere

[bright portal]

If we get passive wax spots in the future maybe let the afk system be only for players that idle that are not flying then? It would feel better imo

[hollow compass]

Yes, I noticed this happened as well, so I bug reported it. It can't be intended, since Switch will most probably rely on controllers almost exclusively.

[low spindle]

I agree! so for that we need to submit a feedback to prevent the implementation of the afk system in live

[late mountain]

Speaking of bugs each time you pass through a load zone your ‘afk timer’ resets. Anyone else experiencing this?

Load zone meaning entering an new area. So your screen goes white as you transition zones.

[river socket]

i mean in the end our feedbacks mean nothing they have the last saying its just our opinions but i really dont want this change to be implemented to live version

[pale junco]

Am i the only one wondering about the expansion still being there at home. Is it permanent. Is it where the future events will take place 👁️👄👁️

[tacit stone]

What is load zone referring to? Oh the white/black transition screen?

[unique pagoda]

Okay so that for me sounds like a massive pain in the butt, especially since neither me or my friend can stare at the screen non stop 😂

It will sort of deter us from CRing. And I think that applies to other people as well, especially those who are two-timing work/school and the game at the same time

[rapid stirrup]

idk much about code... but would it be possible to code for the timer not kicking in if your skid is moving? this way, being dragged by others = moving = no timer counting down the minutes until wax-lock

[lusty light]

Saying they mean nothing is pretty cynical, player feedback is super important, if the devs didn’t care about feedback they wouldn’t let people submit it

[crude turret]

"Players will need to engage with the world by etc, etc, moving their characters"
If you're flying or getting carried you're indeed moving your character, so you won't be tagged as afk
It's now time for feedbacks of your thoughts, be it positive about the new mechanic or negative, just make it respectful and constructive.
And when the people start testing, they should test every way you can get candles being afk, below the tree or hand holding a friend

[cosmic orchid]

a lot of skykids have been too candle hungry lately, and when the new candle system got implemented, it received quite the backlash for a mere 1 candle of loss from a full grind
it goes to show how people are willing to put this amount of effort for gains
I'm quite glad with the new candle system since it made me realize my obsession, but I won't judge other people on how they play the game

[vocal pasture]

there also appears to be a bug entering the graveyard maps too sometimes when my friends and i enter the second map they just get sent to random places that i cant access (like somewhere in the ground or somewhere in the sky) idk if it's just me

[hollow compass]

We should probably remember that even if we only see "a handful" of players afk-ing under the tree in Home, TGC has access to player data for many thousands of players and may have a different view of the matter. This server (and in particular this beta channel), is not necessarily representative of the majority of players.

[bright portal]

If passive wax is the thing they are worried bout, just cap the amount of passive wax u can get a day, say 2 candles? Seems fine

[languid gale]

Coding or changing game data isn't allowed might want to give a feedback to TGC instead

[fluid quail]

resets as in get back from 0 to 2 minutes or from 2 to 5 minutes if that make sense?

[dense holly]

Yes, but we're the ones who play the game. If we don't like they game, we won't play, then they'll end up losing more in the end. Our opinions do matter.

[tropic radish]

Looking at in game item prices (TS, base, etc.), yeah, the whole "candle hungry" situation might get worse for some people

[river socket]

look tgc if u want us to stop cr that much then reduce the freakin prices everything is super expensive maybe thats a better solution than punishing long cr and afk players

[stray elk]

does spamming random messages turn off your afk timer?

[peak token]

man i wasted a lot of irl currency for the IAPs, now the update is getting worse

[pale junco]

I like how lamp literally makes the surface yellow and provides no light at all
Maybe it isn't ready yet

[vocal pasture]

even if it does the defeats the purpose and ruins a lot of the fun, diff ppl have diff ways and preferences when it comes to cr and many ppl go afk for diff reasons anyways they shouldnt have to actively put out a punishment for those going afk

[swift edge]

This afk system wouldn't even affect me, but as an active uber in live game I know how many many many players need to be afk while being ubered that's why most of passengers ask for ubers in the first place.... Afk system would need to at least of 3 hours since it takes about that time to complete a cr...

[bright portal]

I cant the spotlight instantly reminds me of mr.bean's intro

Holy choir noises

[dense holly]

Does too candle hungry even exist? Most ppl are trying to save up for all the cosmetics TGC is implementing or has already implemented or TS... I don't think too candle hungry can exist

[tropic radish]

Lämp
Function : Attract Moths /jk

[spark lance]

Wait, so this afk system will affect players during CRs too? When someone is leading you?

[rapid stirrup]

AHH oops that is not what i meant (i gotta watch my phrasing x-x) i would never try to do that. i was referring to tgc coding stuff in lolll

{ahh slowmode... here's my next thought] "In order to avoid being flagged as AFK, players will need to engage with the world by moving their camera, their characters, or by chatting with other players."

^ does being dragged around count as players moving their characters? bc technically someone else is moving them for you? also what happens when you just have the keyboard up, is that a way to get around the timer, or does it countdown based on send a message?

[river socket]

as a solo cr im fine with this but ik many friends who cant be constantly active ingame during a candle run

does this mean we need to punish them and not make them able to grind?

no. this is an unfair update

[stray elk]

Especially people who have photo sensitivity and can't candle run on their own

[blazing sail]

When the only things you could buy with candles were available all the time, it was easy to tell people to just chill and get them over the long term. Too many things are FOMO now tho

[minor falcon]

has someone tested if and how afk cr passengers are affected? do loading zones reset your afk status?

[random gull]

I was gonna test with Aeras later when she wakes up Voi. haven't gone yet

[sick pendant]

Louder for the devs in the back

[spark lance]

Hmm I first liked the idea for players just lying down there afk, not for players doing CR. I personally think it's not a good idea to leave your device on for too long (some devices are stronger, so I guess they can handle it).

[tropic radish]

Being too candle hungry is a real thing, no ?
Like, people who run Eden every day just to get a single candle (before daily light. Maybe some are still doing it now )

( Not to be compared to people who run it once or twice just to clutch candles for TS )

and the tree afk thing--. Extreme stuff and all-

[swift edge]

If anyone comes to say that candles are not that important I will suggest TGC to make cosmetics free

[warm bison]

Hope everyone testing the afk update makes sure they don't move the camera or technically touch the screen at all while afk as the announcement mentioned camera movement as something that breaks the afk status I believe

[river socket]

yeah if TGC dislikes cr methods that much then remove the candle and make us earn cosmetics freely

[stray elk]

They raised the prices and then lowered the amount of candles you get from cr and made cr longer

[umbral moon]

but that is their choice to do that.
if tgc doesn't want them getting so much wax then make a wax limit per day or smth

[hollow bolt]

I noticed that being a passenger, your afk timer swings somewhere between 2-4 minutes. We couldn’t figure out why it was varying. Maybe transitioning to different areas affected it after all?

[feral flicker]

I am stressed out. Thanks for the short discussion cutiepies. Remember #FreeTheTree LOL byeeee 🪓 🪓 🪓

[tropic radish]

/Yeah, I know. That sound nice tbh
I was supposed to reply to someone, saying that candle hungry/extreme cr isn't real but I didn't want to cold ping

[lusty light]

There already is a wax limit per day

[valid terrace]

I doubt this’ll be a thing anyway honestly, considering its response

if candles aren’t intended to be so important then lower prices of stuff

[bright portal]

Tgc : are you sure about that?

[peak token]

imagine getting punished just because the unhealthy campers did that while some of the player are just communicating under the tree

[potent heron]

The afk update about to yeet a lot of afk candle runners

[river socket]

yeah chop it if u hate it that much but dont punish people which cant be 3 hours constantly on a game to cr

i dont get why TGC let us have this kind of cr then say they hate it..

[stray elk]

then just lower the prices, that's the problem. The ts prices are over 100 candles.

[elder hatch]

TS prices were originally low, they were hiked for fairness

[swift edge]

I uber some friends that stay afk the whole time during cr and just come online if I spam honk. They need to be afk cuz they do homework and house chores and have almost to no time to play by themselves. 2-4 minutes are not a reality to them. They stay afk for the whole cr and that's 3 hours

[rapid stirrup]

i feel like putting a limit on the wax for various places/in various ways is like... catching the water dripping from the ceiling with a bucket and doing nothing about the leak itself, you know? not addressing what's causing the issue, just the effects of the issue. ppl have a hard time getting a comfortable amount of candles bc of ts and events (and sometimes both at the same time!) and ofc players would try to take every chance they could to get more wax bc "what if i'm one candle short of my dream cosmetic?"

[sick pendant]

New props? 👀

[tropic radish]

Two sides of the coin ;;

[late mountain]

Yup, and some refinements to the old assembly ones!

[valid terrace]

yet again things subject to change some stuff never makes it to Live blah blah blah but still

I doubt this’ll be a thing for a long time if at all

[bright portal]

Guys its perfect

Daily light system : tells you to get a life irl
Afk system : you better be in the game or no candles for you

Balanced has been restored /s :SkyFloat:

[noble citrus]

I'm sorry, i just wake up and see the beta update, i went on to see what was happening in the beta testing discussion and umm mind if someone explain about the afk system you guys seems to be discussing? is ita serious issue?

[stray elk]

and then the amount of candles you can get lowered, and now it lowered even more.

time to rework the prices TGC! I do think spells that cost 15 candles are too much, especially when it's only on the weekends.

[vocal pasture]

lmao i just remembered another problem: new players. legit i didn't know how to chat w people without sitting down until my second week of playing. As old players sometimes we tend to skip and forget to teach a lot of things, and for newbies who don't know (and which we happen to forget to talk about it) they might accidentally qualify for afk which will be a bigger pain for old players trying to carry them along

[ember jungle]

Please tell me they r joking about afk things 😭😭😭

[warm bison]

Maybe tgc should just make passive wax collection methods like the blossom petals only produce wax for active players' screen instead of implementing the afk system on the entire wax collection process

[river socket]

u seriously gotta be kidding me we are on a pandemic good luck getting a life irl

we are stuck at home some parents are stricter than others and some players cant be that much so what, we make them quit? thats not the idea

this isnt balance, its the contrary

[sick pendant]

Wait the props are from regular spirits?

[mental otter]

the new (and improved for some) props are all from the assembly questgiver themselves as far as i know

[hollow bolt]

I honestly enjoy being the driver while most of my friends are either afk or going in and out of afk mode.

It’s relaxing having company even if they don’t speak or interact all of the time ☺️

[swift edge]

I completely agree with u.

[slate heath]

why is afk thing such a problem to so many ppl? 😆

[bright portal]

Well i am kidding you ofc, idk if tgc is tho

Seriously im a solo candle runner this afk system doesnt affect me but tgc needs to reevaluate this decision

[cosmic orchid]

havinng 1 friend is nice, 4 friends is laaaag

[stray elk]

me who has parents who don't let me play on the weekdays

[rapid stirrup]

yeah! and the passive regen! i dislike running forest/gw alone bc the extra regen just makes things easier! and help with the big plants lol

[spark lance]

If you ask me, TGC should just add a daily candle cap every day and adjust the light system to make it so that you don’t need to candle run every piece of light to reach the cap.

Example: The cap is 18. You only need to CR a few realms to reach the cap. The daily off season quests give you the extra 4 which doesn’t affect the cap. Problem solved? Same amount of candles in less time. Everyone wins.

That’s just my suggestion and I’m gonna put that in feedback.

[vapid kestrel]

YES PLEASE
Like, double ALL the wax (kinda like the first chevron) and once you reach 18, no more wax collected

[warm bison]

Yesss thank you, exactly what I wanted to say but I never had the words

[toxic spruce]

I believe this is exactly what they trying to do...

[peak token]

thanks to those unhealthy campers, we are frustated by the new update

[raven gate]

Nonbeta player here, I hope that tcg listens because this would greatly affect the ubering system

[valid terrace]

They’re exploring methods, and this one is clearly not a good idea

they will find a way but not this one

[hollow bolt]

My friends are surprisingly active even though they’re afk. They don’t just completely abandon their games but check in every 15 minutes or so.
This 2-5 mins is a bit harsh 🥲

[river socket]

but now u cant have that company since that isnt profitable for the passengers

so now they want us to cr less and without friends + killing the uber system of cr

i thought TGC couldnt mess up this badly since the ts changes on beta but now we have this

i didnt expect anythting from TGC but still they manage to dissapoint me lmao

[swift edge]

Because many people are afk passengers during candle runs and we are worried about how this afk system will affect them

[slate heath]

campers were def not the only reason they added afk features - afk players on the runs are a big nono to TGC apparently xP

[sand dawn]

I used to advocate for having a hard cap like that but I’ve changed my mind..
Having a hard cap makes people feel like they should reach it.
Having many soft caps lets players evaluate if they should continue or not

[rapid stirrup]

the chevron system is your best friend then!

[dense holly]

YESSS! Even being in the company of ppl is socialization, even if we're not talking. Just knowing someone is there sometimes means a whole lot.

[bright portal]

Their planning and idea development team needs some new folks

Just saying :pSkyPeek:

[stray elk]

It's best not to point fingers on who is to blame. We should work together like a team

and one realm can take up to 15-30 minutes. We should be able to candle 1 realm and get enough candles

[sick pendant]

THERE'S A GIGANTIC SWING

[vapid kestrel]

Problem is that campers are the only reason they stated as why they implemented the afk punishment

[opaque swan]

This chat has been very busy today

[ember jungle]

My sky fams are mostly workers or busy person and we always help each other to switching uber when our other fams cant keep looking their game while doing their work and stuffs.

So with this really-worst annoucement about afk things... we r really disampointed and cant help our fams. THATS SO SAAAADDDDDD 😭😭😭😭😭

[lusty light]

It’s ok to dislike the changes but it’s still not tolerated to make personal attacks on the developers

[pale junco]

Go near the pool and climb the stairs

[peak token]

yeahhh i know but but aaaaaaaa

those unhealthy campers effecting the cr passengers who are busy endless and/or unexpected timing

[neat wren]

try to discourage lack of interaction all you want, it won't stop candle runners from ignoring others :(

[lusty light]

A lot of people seem to forget the devs see much more than we do, and we are literally less than 1% of the player base, they make changes for the player base as a whole

[slate heath]

oop okay ♡ if they say so

[hollow bolt]

Yes! Irl I play with my sister. Like, we’re sitting next to each other and not speaking. It’s the companionable silence that lets you know the relationship is good xD
Even in game, I think it’s similar 🥺

[river socket]

TGC when hackers destroy the ingame economy by exploiting the game's code: sleep

TGC when afk people are on a candle run:

(ik TGC is dealing with hackers im joking)

hackers are truly the ones destroying the ingame balance by making themselves have +8000 candles and all cosmetics, not the afk candle runners

[bright portal]

Tgc, i think we need a better reporting system first before anything.

[swift edge]

To be honest i feel like TGC wanted to add this a long time ago... they want the game to be all about friends but this isn't a social media :/
Just cuz we are not talking all the time during a cr it doesn't mean we don't talk at all :/
My closest sky friends I made during CRs while being an uber...
Like, c'mon TGC. Being afk under a tree for 2 weeks shouldn't cause any changes in the game. These measurements are being too big for a tiny issue :/

[lusty light]

If you know the devs are dealing with hackers why make a joke they’re doing nothing? It seems like you’re being inflammatory on purpose

[pale junco]

Can we stop assuming what tgc thought and think about testing this system 👁️👄👁️

[noble citrus]

here is my thoughts on afk player as a full cr uber
i kinda dislike them? they're can be pretty annoying when you want to burn plants / helping with doors and such. because, they sometimes don't respond so it will be much harder for me and the other passengers. but, i do agree with you guys eith this afk system it's not necessary:SkyBow:

[sick pendant]

What pool?

Also did i get this right? This season there will be free ultimate gifts?

[peak token]

after this update,, my friends started to lose intrest with sky, and some of them decided to quit

i feel lonely now cool

[random gull]

" We ask that testers let their skykids idle (no touching the screen or controls) for a few minutes and then try to collect Light to ensure Light collection resumes correctly." -beta updates

it's definitely a few minutes. it's not long

[tropic radish]

/Poking or dissing on the company doesn't really do anything tbh
If anything, adding /j could help those who don't really get some jokes ;;

Also I'm gonna end up not being able too cause I can't go on beta too long, and I need a fren to drag me through www

[river socket]

its a joke...jokes arent meant to be taken seriously lmao

[raven gate]

Maybe they are just testing the system so testers don’t have to wait to long to test. They might make it longer later

[maiden minnow]

I felt the same back then tbh. I feel like when you don't have chat unlocked for someone, their chat bubble should be a "no chat" icon instead of just dots. It'll make new players wonder like "oH, what icon is that" then they'll explore the friend menu and see the chat icon and assume you need to unlock chat

[slate heath]

it's in beta - it can be changed - it can be tested - dont panic - leave feedback

[stray elk]

Everyone just wants someone to blame, it's best to keep this place wholesome

[lusty light]

Even if it’s a joke it’s still saying the devs are incompetent

[pale junco]

Pool on the main tree house yes there will be free ultimates
Free ults are in questgiver's constellation

[rapid stirrup]

wait what- free ults?

[vapid kestrel]

But the thing is that we actually have a semi conscious hard cap :
Once you've reached the full amount of candle the world is offering you a day, you cannot get more.
This is a 20-21 candle hard cap, that is often refrained to 18-19 by not going Eden and Trials...

So to my opinion, having a hard cap actually lower than all the collectable wax would be a better option.
For example you could reach the maximum with CRing 2 or 3 realms a day, instead of going full CR
That would make less pressure and remind people that wax is abundant and you can run around in your fav realms with friend without worrying about a 3hours long CR in straight line

[river socket]

still its just a joke nothing to take seriously, i state that isnt true so im not trying to make misleading info, just making a joke about the situation so there's nothing wrong on my comment

it would be wrong if i purposefully didnt acknowledge the truth so that would be misleading info

its just a joke and i made clear that the content of it isnt what happens on reality there's no bad on it

[bright portal]

I dont think the props frm the questgiver are ults , we probably can get them too after season's over

I would say its kinda like a new shop now

[empty escarp]

Does this mean the props are this season exclusive? ((Like an actual ultimate gifts?))
Do they come back, or it's still TBD?

(sorry im a non beta but im snoozing around for a while now. Hope that's ok)

[tardy dune]

wow that actually could work
but if im not wrong, there are some players who think the new system is being helpful for them, and this idea will be seen as resetting back to the old system, isnt it?

[cosmic orchid]

its not really ults, more like extra pops you get to buy from a spirit, after you finish the quests,
they don't require you to buy AP and use sesonal candles just regular stuff and finish all the quests

[hidden knot]

Saying it's a joke doesnt instantly make it ok though
Its not cool to joke at the expense of others

[maiden minnow]

now that you mention it, that doesn't sound that bad. It could use tweaks, sure, but it doesn't seem like the worst idea out there

[raven gate]

While it is just a joke maybe think about how the devs feel. They are probably feeling a bit discouraged with all the backlash people are giving them. Some jokes are in poor taste and if they offend someone then an apology should be given

[stray elk]

I say lower the prices, like for ark spell shop, spirit blessings, and ts of course. Imma put that into my feedback, anyone want to add on?

[tropic radish]

How about base game items ?
Do you think those should be balanced too ?

[river socket]

to not implement the afk system obviously lmao

aside from that i think thats good

[sick pendant]

Since its in the friendship constellation and not alongside to it i think the free ones will be optainable antime... But still this isn't 100% true. Idk

[wet sable]

I’m not a beta player but I’m pretty sure TGC is adding more ults per season instead of spirits to encourage more buying of seasonal passes since more items won’t be available later on through traveling spirits (bc quest givers don’t return). This is all just my own guess

[worthy tulip]

I think it would be hard to add a cap onto the tree but not impossible, but I do know the main issue here is to create a more social environment rather then a farming one, so TBH I think this is something the devs wanted to implement even before players went idle under the tree

[ember surge]

Im I lose something?

[cosmic orchid]

has base game prices (non seasonal stuff) been too expensive for everybody? I only think the tier 2 stuff are quite expensive and the normal stuff are accepted as such

[tardy dune]

yes but as mentioned in the updates post, they want to carry forward the system to the future gameplay
which is why people are not happy

[bright portal]

I think, just have it so that passive wax and regular wax to be indicated differently (like passive wax gaining would be pink and resides as a different variable than regular candles) , then set the passive wax limit.

[lusty light]

The devs have always intended for base game constellations to take a few months to complete

[hybrid venture]

Ok, let's divert the issue from AFK. Notice that AP locked items are mostly spells? Prolly not a good idea if that is the case, coz that would be like wasting real money on stuff i can get with my candles. Did feedback on that already (and i hope that's not the case or is just temporary). Also guys, this is beta. Let's provide constructive feedback without being inflammatory, please. We all want the game to get better, so let's help each other out, ayt?

[river socket]

money my friend they want money

maybe they're making cr more punishable to inspire people to buy candle packs, wouldnt be surprised tho (just a theory so someone does not hate me lmao)

[tropic radish]

Not really, just maybe for those who want to buy everything from every single existing TS
For me ?, No
I got it down in 6 months, which is nice

[rapid stirrup]

normal stuff is cool since it's not time-sensitive. ts/events are time-sensitive and that + expensive causes problems

[stray elk]

emote is 10 candles for each upgrade, and the hearts are supposed to be gifts or a challenge to get. Daily lights and heart trades are not affected much though.
Let's not ignore the fact that spells in ark are 15 candles and only able to be bought on weekends.
A realm can take up to 15-45 minutes + trees, we should be able to candle run one realm for the cap. People who candle run other realms will get a bonus 1/2 candles.

[hidden knot]

A few months?
Im still getting base game constellations and I've been playing for over a year

[sick pendant]

Y'ALL.....
YOU ALLLLLLL
GO CLIMB THE STAIRS IN THE MAIN THREE HOUSE YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT

||YEET||

[valid terrace]

Please note the word experiment.

[spark lance]

If you spend all your time and candles towards base game and not TS I think you should be able to get it(?)

[cosmic orchid]

I see, so base stuff is fine. Ts does give quite the pressure on people since

[river socket]

well remember folks this is beta we are meant to suffer TGC's good and bad implements so live version does not riot

i hope this does not get to live version i can already smell the backlash

We sign for this beta so we need to suffer it lmao

[hybrid venture]

But don't they come back again? Like xmas and holloween items from 2019. I'm sure they'll come back again

[stray elk]

everyone has their different speeds in game

[tropic radish]

Events are time sensitive, since you gotta wait for a year to see them again
TS are time sensitive, since it's a gamble whether you'll ever see them again in the next few months, or if they will ever return again at all www

[valid terrace]

We do it for the Live folk! We do the weird, controversial, experimental stuff to make sure it’s ok or not

[ebon flicker]

Is tgc trying to turn sky into animal crossing

[sick pendant]

30 Hearst for the bookshelf ❤️👄❤️

[bright portal]

Speaking if this, do you think time limited events will end up repeating every year?

Like halloween , xmas, lunar new year i can see it repeating, because its a seasonal holiday, but things like days of bloom, the IAP lantern might probably not be back for years

If they just recycle the same format of events , wouldnt it be boring

[rapid stirrup]

everything except for ults has chance to come back. but base-game stuff is always accessible. you want to buy something from the base game? you can, regardless of what time of year it is. ts/events do come back, given anywhere from a few months to a year or so, but you have to have candles and hearts stocked up bc you might not be able to cr enough to buy everything before the items go away if there's a ts and an event at the same time

[vapid kestrel]

This could be an actual improvement to the chevron system that feels like a waste at the moment since we still need to force ourselves CRing 2 more hours in order to get the precious 4 candles that are requiring an insane amount of wax to forge
When you CAN'T play more than an hour you gain more candles than before yes. But when you CAN afford a 3hours long CR you still play the same time as before and a little more, to collect all the possible wax in every new spot to get to that same "invisible cap" as you had from the start..

At first implementing such cap would probably feel unfair for most part of the community but with a clear exemple and numbers and clear explanation, it would be possible to make people understand that :
18 candles are available right now in the whole Sky world, that is why we are limiting daily candle forging to 18, but increasing gained wax, so people can feel less pressured about grinding and actually enjoy the game with no loss
Because let's be honest, people who car run 12 candles daily because they don't have more time, they are gaining more than before but they are losing compared to other people who can afford the 3hours long runs

[cosmic orchid]

regular table is 30 hearts so it shouldn't be too surprising
and that book shelf will not be leaving since its in QG, so its considered as non seasonal

[hybrid venture]

They do add new stuff tho, so it won't be boring, i think.

Ahaha, to add: those items in the QG's tree shouldn't cost anything, right? (at least while the season is still running)

[bright portal]

The only thing i can see is add new IAPs and maybe some realm decorations, if they remain this format it kinda just restricts the ideas they can put out for other kinds of events. But at the same time it kinda puts the limited items even more valuable now it if that makes sense

The bookshelf and tent at the QG costs candles and hearts

[sick pendant]

THE PROPS STILL DON'T HAVE A FUNCTIONALITY... ME IS ANGRY

[rapid stirrup]

they've done catch-up packs in the past and introduced new items alongside the catchups (halloween 2019 and 2020)

[river socket]

i can imagine this server as a house, gen chat is the living room and main table

lore chat is the attic

beta chats are on the basements were massive discussion is held

[ebon flicker]

So.. No one is gonna ask how we would get the seasonal hearts when you already got everything from seasonal spirits ?

[lusty light]

You don’t

[cosmic orchid]

well, the basement seems to be on fire earlier

[tropic radish]

This is beta, we don't do compensations here

[hidden knot]

#beta-faq - " No compensation. Beta is for testing and finding bugs. It's not a substitute for the full Live version of the game. As such, we generally do not offer compensation when players encounter bugs, even if they affect currencies or other important account features. "

[sick pendant]

Now I'm not saying anything. I'm just putting 2 things next to each other 🤫

[stray elk]

You join beta, you join the suffering, you join the hardwork, and you can always leave too.

[river socket]

we are the lab rats for TGC the staff experiments on us to see if a change is good or bad

thank u for experimenting on us TGC

yeah beta is not only to get early access, it is meant for u to catch bugs, test new things and overall SUFFER due to how broken the version is

still its fun tho

[soft monolith]

Imagine if they will take your idea as a reference. That would be cute

[bright portal]

I know, but aside frm halloween and seasonal holidays , take days of bloom for example, if they are gonna celebrate the same event every year , with a bunch of catch up packs. Its just gonna limit the creativity they can subsitute days of bloom with another event. And for old timers of this game its basically like a yearly cycle. Thats just how i see it tho

On the contrary side , those who couldnt afford this year's season of bloom, if it doesnt come back then rip lmao

[ebon flicker]

It's not really suffering :0 i don't mind

[swift edge]

Some ppl are angy

[rapid stirrup]

no one knows

[sick pendant]

We WHAT

[maiden minnow]

I feel like the whole beta section is the kitchen actually, since we help TGC (the chef) develop Sky.

The basement would be #other-tgc-games since TGC can't talk about Journey, Flower, and flOw because of Sony. And the Archives too.

[cosmic orchid]

new Bloom quest next year: Free the spirit inside the Bloom Tree

[tropic radish]

I mean, as you join beta, you have immediately agreed and signed a "contract" that you can be """a lab rat""" and help them, Sooo
Not neccesarily accurate, sounds it harsh
But you're not wrong

[river socket]

it is meant for us to catch bugs, test new events and stuff

this version is broken and we are trying to not make it explode

[harsh anvil]

I actually bought the ultimate gifts below the Cape before they changed, can I ask what are the prices for the Trumpet, Pail-hat, and the Assembly mask?

[spark lance]

Gush time: I'm always amazed at the level of thought behind the new season areas.
The new forest tree house is their best work so far. It begging for it to be filled with sky kids goofing around. So good \o/

Does anyone knows that we will have 8 props total in the season of assembly?

[scarlet bronze]

Does the new afk thing still work while holding someone else's hand? Your sky kid is still in movement even though you're not touching the screen...

[bright portal]

Report a bug channels are the sewers

[swift edge]

But seriously. I think all people who decided to join the beta have enough maturity to calmly write a constructive critic about the new implementations.
#beta-feedback the only place where we will be truly heard guys so PLEASE take a moment and write about what u see as a problem there and if u can think of a solution please write that too.
It is important that we share between us our opinions but never forget to give ur feedback directly to TGC as well

I love to have the debates about changes here but later I always take a good time to write a feedback.
Let's do our best to make the game better, shall we?

[pale junco]

Also if you are feeling that you are in your feelings too much take some time to think and provide your best feedback

[tropic radish]

Sky Discord Household™

[hidden knot]

Yes! I usually take the time to write feedback before participating in new update discussion here.

[opaque ridge]

i like how we can interact with questgivers now

[river socket]

i love heated debates but yeah make sure to write a feedback after ur feelings have been calmed

[hardy peak]

is there any new wl in the new area??

[tawny oxide]

Will they begin the new season after Assembly conclude? I saw that it’s just 8 days left for this season haha 🤣😂

[stray elk]

TGC doesn't usually check here except for #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and bug reports and feedback

It's best not to look down at others, as we are supposed to be a team let's keep the place wholesome.

Remember, we are supposed to be the people being experimented on, it's called beta testing

Remember TGC is handling: Nintendo Switch, hackers, TOS breakers, bugs, feedback, the new season, the event.

We do not represent the whole community. We are only a small percentage of the whole community.

Let's try not to find someone to blame, and let's keep working

[cosmic orchid]

I wanted to hug the bearhug hermit so baaad

[lusty light]

Tgc does read the other channels but it’s important to have feedback and such in the correct channels for organizational purposes

[maiden minnow]

Ngl, this kinda makes me wonder. Is Jenova in this Discord server?

[soft monolith]

I understand it and was just dreaming about the idea. But thank for sharing the info for other people

[lusty light]

Maybe so 👁👁

He could be any one of us....

[pale junco]

Skybot sus

[tropic radish]

There's a jenova among us--

[kindred belfry]

... can I still get the rest of the cosmetics (like the bookshelf) if I already completed the season before the update !! I can’t see it in the season constellation

[spice mason]

I uh

[lusty light]

Those items are permanent non seasonal things

[tawny oxide]

Is he an imposter❗️

[stray elk]

Found them #beta-screenshots-videos message

[lusty light]

@kindred belfry they’re in the assembly guides tree, at the top after you finish all quests

[tropic radish]

/I opened sky discord this morning to someone reacting "amogus" to my blooms SS entry
And tonight, Jenova sus--
I can't escape the sus

[pale junco]

Jenova if you are among us bless us with cute oreo pics

[kindred belfry]

...👀 so can I get the assembly mask after the update or

[lusty light]

No the mask is still an ult

[spark lance]

How do i get 2 more hearts for the ultimate cape?

[cosmic orchid]

if you already finished the season, you can't

[tropic radish]

Hehe, "I can't get the ultimate mask because I got the cape some updates before" gang where you at ;; ?

[pale junco]

If you've already spent your seasonal hearts there's no way to get more. You cannot get the items.

[kindred fossil]

He could be you, he could be me!

[spark lance]

I'm totally disappointed in so many levels...........

[cosmic orchid]

#beta-faq - " No compensation. Beta is for testing and finding bugs. It's not a substitute for the full Live version of the game. As such, we generally do not offer compensation when players encounter bugs, even if they affect currencies or other important account features. "

[safe knoll]

New Daily Light system update on beta:

CR from Prairie - Wasteland end + (4 treasure candles) gave me 17.8 candles.

0 chevron wax conversion was reduced massively. From ~375 wax/candle down to ~225 wax/candle.

Any thoughts?

[kindred belfry]

Anyone know what the pot and the seat are for?

[karmic mulch]

Isn't there anyway to give us bonus seasonal hearts 💔

[frigid shadow]

There isn't compensation in beta, so unforunately you can't get all the items

[timber ridge]

Give us some Nights into Dreams rings timed flying parkour challenge or something.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BrilliantInsignificantGrunion-size_restricted.gif

[iron cipher]

I find the new afk thing very disappointing
Especially for future candles runs

[toxic spruce]

Btw anyone realised the trumpet got a new animation (open and close instrument) and it sound a lil bit higher pitched than before?

[daring gate]

What exactly is the daily light balance pass? I was updating my game and reading the TestFlight notes.

[gentle hornet]

That

[rapid stirrup]

balance... pass? wha-

ohh i see

[lusty light]

You pinged ktjn

[ornate badge]

so will all of the items have the exact same prop design?

[river socket]

i think TGC is making this changes so we dont focus on the fact all of TGC staff and discord mods and ktjn clones

[snow vector]

the tent looks soo bad literally had a glow down. looks like a big table... I hope the devs aren’t planning on making it permanent lmao

[orchid nexus]

send feedback if you want them to know. remember to keep it constructive tho. "looks soo bad" doesn't tell them what would look better to you

[broken fractal]

I like the old tent better :')
This one looks like makeshift play tent using towel when I was younger. Feedback here I go

[fervent apex]

can anyone help me do the first season quest? im kinda stupid and cant do that

[devout terrace]

What is the new jar for?

[spark lance]

Tgc need to make jetpack item for flying speed boost with limit gauge in the left screen, when u hold for too long during flight the booster gauge moves or go up from yellow color which indicates low boost to red indicates that u tap and hold for too long and when it reaches limit the fly speed stops and goes back to normal speed fly HEHEHE ....and a animation movement when pressing or toggle the change flight mode , like superman pose, Ninja pose , or some magical stuff or sparkling things when u toggle the flight mode when ur about to fly and land down like a princess or etc.

[warm bison]

I heard some people mention ult items are free? How so? I checked the quest giver and they seem to still be behind the AP lock, am I missing something? (Please @ while answering thank you!)

[toxic spruce]

There are free items at the top, above the quests, scroll all the way up. They are not ult tho and some cost normal candles and hearts

[spark lance]

The props are free

[worldly jolt]

You should put that in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[honest elm]

are there any free capes in this season?

[spark lance]

Done ^_______^

[fervent apex]

nope

[radiant drum]

This is beta, so we can't tell you what's AP locked or not yet because it can and has changed a lot during testing

If you want to know what things will be like in Live, it's best to just wait until the season starts

More than any season I've been part of testing, they are seriously messing with the constellations and items in this one lol

[wild heath]

I'm kinda curious as to why there's just a bunch of random items at the top of the QG's Constilation. Like, that doesn't seem like TCG's style

[radiant drum]

Some are wondering if that means the props will be permanently added to the game, as part of the treehouse questline. We'll probably have to wait and see

[ruby roost]

whatever the case, im excited

[obsidian socket]

I hate what they proposed for the AFK players, especially because sometimes you take care of something and your friends help you while you return

[radiant drum]

Keep in mind that this channel is to discuss with other players, if you want to submit feedback to TGC you can use #beta-feedback

They won't read it here

[vernal carbon]

How long will it take until we are considered AFK?

[tight forum]

i feel quite anxious about this afk thing

[radiant drum]

If you have access to beta, my advice is to hop in with a friend (or ask someone in #beta-looking-for-group!) and test things out, like the timer duration and how you feel about it

[devout terrace]

I waited an hour

[uncut inlet]

i can't get on right now, but ill test during classes/ studying

[orchid nexus]

someone (or many) go test if being afk also affects quest completion! I saw someone chatting in-game about that just now and realized it's a very likely edge-case

like grab a friend, wait 5 minutes, have your friend drag you to the krill and the spirit memory

[uncut inlet]

does talking reset the AFK timer? because sometimes my friend and I just sit somewhere pretty and text each other

[hidden knot]

Ooh I hadnt even thought about quest completion I'll have to (politely ) snag my beta friends to test that

[orchid nexus]

yes

[tardy dune]

all i want from this beta update to be pushed to live asap is the UI for friends constellation

[hidden knot]

wait the constellation ui changed? how did i not notice that sooner haha

[orchid nexus]

agree, just from a couple minutes looking, it's much improved. fortunately not all features need to go live, so that can go before the afk-timer is tweaked to perfection

[atomic ledge]

Why does tgc add bunches of props that do nothing

[tardy dune]

cuz, y'know a little rage because of the ||afk system|| took the spotlight

[lusty light]

Because their functionality isn’t stable enough for testing yet

[hidden knot]

Eheh maybe, for me though its just cause I keep forgetting to light my friends in beta

[orchid nexus]

for testing some but not all features, for getting feedback earlier, for giving time to tweak and re-tweak the season menus, etc

[silent lily]

So umm i just checked, and currently, the Season has 26 cosmetics, out of which 15 are free and 11 are paid. (Excluding the pendant/scarf neck accessory which is ofc paid)

[hollow compass]

Is that including the ones at the top of the QG's tree?

[lusty light]

The items at the top of the qg’s tree aren’t seasonal items

[silent lily]

Yes, inclusive of the free "ultimates"
If we call everything the questgiver offers an ultimate then assembly has 9 ultimate rewards

Yeah, i mean they'll stay after the season too, but in a way , they can be?

[hidden knot]

We're still figuring out the specifics of how the afk system works, right now though it seems like it does

[hollow compass]

Yeah, that was my impression also, which is why I asked. Moving them to the top of QG's tree seems to indicate they are separate.

[radiant drum]

The new AFK system should affect all players in some way, depending on how you play. If you have access to beta, it's best to hop in and test it now! If you are not a tester, watching discussions here as people test the system is also a good option

[lusty light]

I wouldn’t count it still bc it’ll always be accessible and doesn’t cost seasonal currency

[silent lily]

Yeah, like permanent Cosmetics from the season, which is nice because even newer players can get them
If we exclude them, then the season has 21 in total, 11 paid and 10 free

[stark cloud]

It will be cool if we can catch some butterfly and store it in that small jar

[silent lily]

||And transport them to the forest factory, for making power diamonds||

[valid terrace]

I hope the AFK thing is not intended to be a thing soon if at all, it’s in a state barely anyone likes, so needs a lot of work if it is to

I have faith though

[hollow compass]

Since it seems these items will be getting new (to the game) functionality, I'm really looking forward to upcoming updates.

[silent lily]

Yeah, the jar looks so small, and personally, i would like it more if we see it as an actual jar on our back rather than the same backpack

[true oracle]

does the new afk system affect people who are being carried through a uber?

[hollow compass]

Didn't you already ask that...?

[cobalt osprey]

I think it will affect the future gameplay?

[radiant drum]

Most answers you will get right now is that no one knows how it really works right now, it needs to be tested

[true oracle]

huh i see, thanks!

[valid terrace]

that’s the main problem with it, in its current form it seriously cripples the idea of ubers in a way
though note CURRENT FORM, it WILL change whether it is to be a thing or not, it might never be a thing

[hollow compass]

It appeared in an update earlier today. Give people some time to test it first. 🙂

[silent lily]

I don't think we clearly know that yet, we need some time to test and understand it

[scarlet wraith]

So has anyone tested if you get candles while being carried? I am testing the super-AFK mode (No one carrying me)..I am sitting beside a plant..will ask my friend to burn it after 15 Mins to see if I get wax..hoping the server doesnt merge before that

[tardy dune]

Current cap for afk is 5 min so it'll be quick
Can be done in forest I guess

[scarlet wraith]

thats where I am lol..meditation room..

[tardy dune]

Oooh lol. Keep us updated

[atomic mountain]

if i'm afk in the hand of a friend, i still get wax right?

[lapis ore]

I’ve only been the Uber and not the afk friend so far, but I assume this is a long term thing and not just for the tree since they were able to limit wax from the dragon before

[stark cloud]

jar intensified

[tardy dune]

I was just thinking.
If the jar prop indeed does get butterflies like some of the crowd is hoping, I can keep flying up and up by putting myself in table or something
Table. Jar. Butterfly honk. Table. Repeat xD

[lunar zealot]

The AFK timer still counts even holding a friend. If you don't touch the screen for about 5 minutes you'll eventually stop collecting wax after those minutes are up. a quick swipe on the screen makes you collect again tho

[atomic mountain]

ohh yikes this could affect ubering in a big way until tgc changes it

[silent lily]

It's not in live yet so
And probably will be extensively tested first as it's a pretty big change

[lunar zealot]

Hehe, thankfully it's still being tested. Lots of time to provide feedback

[atomic mountain]

yepep

[rapid stirrup]

you can't have both the table and the jar at the same time tho?

[tardy dune]

Oh well. Friends with other props to the rescue then haha

[signal folio]

Does anyone know if they've added stars to the treehouse yet?

[craggy karma]

The AFK system gonna get lots of backlash
I highly suggest changing how the tree gives light INSTEAD of implementing the afk system

[foggy atlas]

They haven’t added wl yet (if they even will)

[zinc mica]

not yet but i think they added soon

[carmine thorn]

Can someone else confirm going from prairie temple to forest social still split hand holding?

[desert tide]

This season items are kind of a mess, also the closet that cost 30 hearts is a bug right ?

[lunar zealot]

It's not a bug. It's intended ^^

[lusty light]

It’s a permanent non seasonal item

[desert tide]

I see

[pure path]

Entering forest through home portal split hand hold a few hours ago for me too. I think it's a loading delay issue but unsure

[grave ridge]

It didn’t split for me about an hour ago 🥳

[pure path]

Ye I think it happens when one player loads much earlier than the other. Only saying this because I've noticed the hand split happens for me when the loading of Forest Social takes a bit longer than usual. If it loads quickly the hand hold is usually still there

[ember marlin]

I was really sad when they announced this. I have to work 15 hours a day and now they're taking the candles from me. Now I can't enjoy collecting and purchasing things anymore. Literally can't whale candles cause I got bills to pay 😭

[static lily]

honestly that afk system is creepy to me
it just reminds me of surveillance systems that makes sure ur working

what in the world is social engagement? /rhetorical question

[winter current]

are you talking about the bookcase the assembly guide offers? when i logged in today i didn't see anything new that cost 30 hearts, but i had already previously gotten the bookcase

[young quarry]

Hmmm can we still collect wax when other people are leading but ur afk?

[burnt finch]

what kind of social engagement can you even do if your friend is just ubering you around for an hour?

[static lily]

is it possible to distinguish whether ur afk when being led? because the skykid is still moving if they are being led. they mimic actions and are not idle

[swift edge]

We still talk to our friends tho. We don't just cr

[static lily]

and the funny thing is part of why ubers are required is people want to be available in the game without any actions in it. ubering itself is social engagement , with the whole negotiation process

[pure path]

Tested it out. If you don't do anything while being dragged around on a candle run the game still flags you as AFK. Touching the screen in any way makes you not-AFK again

[burnt finch]

being forced to talk every five minutes doesn't seem very user-friendly

[swift edge]

The tent that costs 50 regular candles and the bookcase that costs 30 regular hearts will be in the game forever?

[hollow compass]

You don't need to talk. Just touch the screen, move the camera or something like that.

[static lily]

as someone with adhd i disagree
moving the screen still consumes energy. i cant split it between looking at my study notes and looking at my game.

[ember marlin]

It's really problematic if you're working while afking. You need to constantly look at your phone, and that's a whole damn lot of distraction

[burnt finch]

exactly. what i've done before is program while a friend is doing candle runs for me

[hollow compass]

Why are you working and playing a game?

[pine raptor]

Question, what’s the pot for?

[ornate badge]

yeah what if i’m trying to complete some assignments while someone is dragging me? making sure to touch the screen every while is distracting

[swift edge]

They shouldn't change players but the tree. The tree won't even stay here forever but if the afk system gets to live it can be there for much longer than 2 weeks...
Please share ur feedback about the matter on #beta-feedback

[static lily]

im sorry but for a lot of people esp neurotypical ones, yes they can manage two screens and therefore playing a game while studying, but not for me

[remote ocean]

Sometimes you don't have enough time for playing but friends are kind enough to take you on a trip 💕 I think real issue was the people camping under the tree and not the being with friends part

[iron cipher]

Just remove the damn wax from tree

[pine raptor]

Why is there a pot

[static lily]

for me, i have to candle run in order to increase candles without compensating all my study time. sometimes i would prioritize studying without playing sky, but if i think my candle count is too low for the next expensive ts, i have to multitask.

[ember marlin]

Because not everyone has the time to sit and play, while others are being kind to take you around so you don't miss out the game.

[ornate badge]

no actually they were talking generally about all kinds of wax

[remote ocean]

Therefore I hope TGC doesn't bring this to live or tweaks it so it doesn't punish you for being with friends while you may be busy or something like that

[spark lance]

Hello I am not in beta but I’d like to ask a question. Will non-adventure pass players still be able to gain seasonal candles to purchase seasonal items? Or should I buy the adventure pass?

[burnt finch]

because work consumes a lot of my time and sky is a time sink, so doing both is sometimes the only way we can keep up with other players

[orchid nexus]

remember not just to be angry about changes, but to provide thoughtful feedback in #beta-feedback about how this affects your personal play style. And suggestions about improvements. There's always a flood of comments like "this is the worst feature remove it immediately," but take some time to test and try to imagine how it could be made to work well for you.

[pure path]

You can ask that in #questions-and-help , but short answer is yes

[swift edge]

I know they are

[static lily]

could anyone raise the afk problem to #beta-feedback ?

[pine raptor]

@orchid nexus why is there a pot I’m so confused

[ember marlin]

True this. I can't compensate my work, and most of the time I'll choose work over anything. But if I really like the ts or want to purchase something, I'll multitask.

[remote ocean]

Yes! You can get 5 candles per day, you just can't unlock items blocked with seasonal pass

[ornate badge]

i will try to, since i’ve been sending them some feedbacks lately

[orchid nexus]

I don't know... for... decoration? unfinished props will certainly develop further

[static lily]

are you allowed to raise beta issues to #beta-feedback even if you are not a beta tester?

[pine raptor]

I hope it’s what I think it is and it’s a butterfly pot ;-;

[ornate badge]

if you know exactly what you’re talking about then yes

[hollow compass]

Yes, absolutely. But remember that this particular features has only been in the game for a few hours, so it's maybe a bit early to place judgement.

[hybrid dust]

No it's a pot for storing moths in I thought we covered this earlier

[pine raptor]

AHAHAHA

[orchid nexus]

try to limit feedback on things you can't directly test. Lots of people have complaints about things they think might be wrong but it's a work in progress, and testing is important

[gilded talon]

I did this with DL system and patiently waited for the “more changes/balancing to come” but it doesn’t help. It was still rushed to live in the state it is without asking a last wave of feedback on how beta testers feel about it, some of us didn’t prepare to write feedback just because we went along the “more features to come” line and waited for those before actually leaving feedback.

[zinc mica]

i want the ult cape but i dont have seasonal hearts (i finished all the spirits)

[orchid nexus]

Because things weren't changed according exactly to how one person wants them doesn't mean they were rushed or done wrong. it's fair to dislike, but none of us represents all players.

[ornate badge]

i think you can’t do anything about it, at least for now

[swift edge]

All previous features introduced in beta that had some kind of backlash I could understand why TGC wanted to add them but this one is really useless and it won't bring anything good to the game.
I really can't see any type of perks to the players on introducing an afk system to the game.
The tree wax is the problem, not the players. Players will always try to get wax, it is normal. Sometimes players are close to finishing constellations or want the cosmetics from.events and then they will look for any way to get more candles. This will happen for 2 weeks, is it THAT bad to have afk players?

[iron cipher]

If that afk thing does happen
I find it much more fair
To make all prices drop

[ornate badge]

but who said prices will drop

[burnt finch]

i'm not trying to sound irritated here, but it's hard not to feel insulted when sky pushes an update to make people with less time get more light and then immediately make it harder again
edit: i did send feedback btw

[iron cipher]

No one

[ornate badge]

then what’s fair about it

[orchid nexus]

The AFK system is not meant to punish players. it's meant to prevent non-players doing nothing in the game and devaluing the real play that people here like. Assume good intentions, and give feedback on how to fix it!

[iron cipher]

Ur kinda confusing
I suggest u read again what i said

[uneven lily]

What do you think about today's new update?

[spark lance]

Based on the afk precautional change by tgc: That is understandable and very valid, I'm glad this is happening because my Cr text of precautions and needs will become smaller if I want to Uber people from the tgc discord server 😊. But based on the fact that people need to be afk because of studying or other reasons remembering to tap the screen per 1 and a half to 2 minutes is important and that shouldn't change.

[spark lance]

Feel free to mention anything you would like in dms from your perspective to me I mean

[swift edge]

Even if it is not meant to punish I can see how it will punish many players IF it goes to live. I already gave feedback.

[iron cipher]

If it does happen
:) people will find a way to avoid being marked as afk tbh

[orchid nexus]

I sent my feedback already but will drop it here to see if it spawns other thoughts about improvements that might be made.

Suggestions to address complaints about AFK timer. No priority order, just thoughts:

• increase timer to 15 minutes
• apply the timer only to the tree
• tweak the tree so it has a timer on giving light per player
• anti-afk damping field: localized areas where afk farming times out
• afk farming timer per level, so afk limit could be, say, 5 minutes in home, 15 minutes in forest, 10 minutes in vault, etc.
• afk exclusions or timer tweaks for players to have chat locked, or haven't unlocked it with current friends or... I don't know but some players don't like to chat, esp. with strangers
• Some kind of visual warning for when AFK collection will disable? Sometimes I just watch while a friend pilots, but without disengaging entirely from the game...

[vernal copper]

i wish tgc realizes that not every player is gonna play the game exactly how tgc wants and that it's okay there are people who prefer play sky differently :/

[ember marlin]

I get how they encourage we play the game, but at one point we're just there to hang out with friends - or to collect the wax for ts. That's up to how people want to enjoy the game. Some of the people are workers, students, who doesn't have a lot of time to collect the wax but still doesn't want to be left out.

[orchid nexus]

of course they know this. but send your feedback anyway, with specifics about how you play

[ornate badge]

omg come on, did you by any chance not know that making sure to touch the screen every minute is the most distracting thing ever?

[iron cipher]

I use voice call with friends in sky

[karmic kestrel]

Idk why you have to punish someone playing your game, it's not even cheating......

[spark lance]

You are cool I enjoyed that, I'm glad we have kind and organized info based on corrections that saves time, gives good info to the players, prevents us from getting overwhelmed as Ubers or as people who are ubered

[gilded talon]

I’m not saying that I want this to be done the way I want it to be. I’m just disappointed at the decision making process. During the testing of DL system, I feel like we were mainly asked to test if the UI works correctly, and when some said that it feels tiring, there’s always a statement that said there was more to come. But in the end the DL system as it is in Live now does not give the feeling that it changed much from its initial state when we first started testing it (apart from the UI part). And I spent large amount of time doing full crs in beta to test it (during Dreams testing and off season too) so I could responsibly say I took time to get used to and experience it.

[worthy tulip]

I love that, I've seen someone suggest making the skykid have a 💤 symbol appear above their heads when afk

[ornate badge]

i guess i have a solution that we could suggest to TGC

[ember marlin]

TGC has said themselves whaling for candles isn't an option and as far as I remember, they pointed it out at one of their updates. But why now implementing a system that encourages people who don't have time to play to whale candles?

[prime lintel]

Make sure to send feedback in #beta-feedback about the new changes so they know how the playerbase here feels about what's been updated

[iron cipher]

If that current anti afk does come
Idk if i will enjoy sky anymore that much

[orchid nexus]

like I said: it's fair for you to dislike the daily light system. nobody can tell you how to feel. But I disagree with your conclusion. I saw changes, and I enjoy the final result. There is a broad range of opinions, none of which are wrong.

[ornate badge]

basically, if you’re holding hands with someone or being dragged by them, then you should be fine and the system shouldn’t affect you

[stray elk]

My suggestion to to lower/change prices, since the rate of getting cap candles is slower, and lower. Big blessings now seem crazy expensive now.

[iron cipher]

Or just remove the damn wax from tree
Most simple solution to the problem

[north zephyr]

The game is keep going boring as the time goes plus these new system to disturb us as a player 😂

[peak token]

there lots of people suggesting that hours ago, including myself

[spark lance]

That's selfish in a way of you to say, you are a responsibility so appreciating comes in to play, an action to do it is to keep in touch with the stimulation yourself participated in

[swift edge]

This really annoys me.
Everytime I feel like TGC is trying to make me play in a certain way.

I like to cr then TGC be like "the game should not be just about candles and cosmetics let's raise the price of those and make it difficult for you to get candles"

Or, "Hey my friends need to be afk while I uber sometimes for 30 minutes", then TGC be like "let's ad a max time they can be afk before they can't receive wax"

I know it sounds harsh but I feel like they are harsh decisions

[orchid nexus]

definitely send your suggestion to #beta-feedback - that's not on my list, but worth suggesting that hand holding disables afk timer

[tardy dune]

or just regulate the wax like they did for the dragon during days of fortune

[stray elk]

5 candles for a big blessing, when most people get 10 candles a day from the candle system. That's crazy

[pale junco]

The system is also for future events where you can collect wax while relaxing with your friends.

[spark lance]

There you go nice mention

[ember marlin]

Then it should be under the tree only, not for ALL wax.

[bright portal]

Why not cap passive wax gathering then? For lets say any passive wax spots limit it to 1.5-2 candles a day , for regular plant and candle wax leave it as it is

[burnt finch]

if the easiest thing to do to stay engaged is to touch the screen, then the other player won't even notice you doing that

[ornate badge]

you could gift a heart to the person that’s dragging you as an appropriation, stop making it sound like a big deal, i’ve ubered AFK people thousand times and most of the time that was totally ok

[ember marlin]

Hell, I don't care how much candle I will get from the tree. I just want to cr with my friends without having to be paranoid to check my screen for every 5 mins at work.

[maiden minnow]

just to share, idk if there have been any breaks here, but the afk timer has been the topic on this channel for 8 hours now, HAUAHAAUHA

[spark lance]

For all wax because you are a help and you're helping at the same time being afk is important to many people as all mentioned and will keep being important but we depend on each other

[uneven lily]

WHY do we need all these unnecessary tools!?

[stray elk]

Please don't use bold

[sullen relic]

this change doesn't affect my own candle intake personally, but i'm unsure of what effect it's going to have on whether i'm able to help friends along during my runs or whether i'm just not going to see them as frequently in-game if it's only worth logging in when they can be more constantly at the screen

[spark lance]

how about just, try to have a time where the tree will make wax fall. Like a hour or minutes where the wax will fall from the tree and u have to collect it?

[ember marlin]

This shows on how bad the afk system is 🤣

[uneven lily]

WHY do we need all these unnecessary TOOLS!?

[orchid nexus]

Remember everyone: TGC is trying (and succeeding!?) to make a good game that many people enjoy. If you feel you are personally affronted by a change that affects your play style, then send thoughtful and detailed feedback with notes about how you play and how the change affects that along with actual time in-game testing your own assumptions

[pale junco]

I can't say much about this system as i cr alone 😅 . Ofc the people that take uber and go in groups know better. Feedback channel is always open for your opinions and suggestions

[ornate badge]

sorry!! i use bold when i talk about something that’s causing an argument

[grim umbra]

The afk system still hasn't working for me , how long it takes ?