beta-discussion

[white latch]

Wait so is the afk system in beta now?

[wheat heath]

wait how are people gotta test this. The only way rn is in a candlerUn sense which might rUin the resUlts becaUse we don’t know how the afk works fUlly

[solid dune]

Say that the hours I spend on this game on a daily basis to now make less candles than I did before the new candle system was implemented.

[maiden minnow]

Same. I don't mind if they're semi-afk, where they have their phone next to them while they work. But peeps who literally go shopping while I lead is just kinda mean to me, since I'll feel bad if I leave them whenever we unintentional let go of our hands :,>

[silent lily]

Yeah, i still don't understand how do i test this. It woulve been a lot easier if the tree was there

[eager fulcrum]

do y’all think being dragged by someone counts as not being afk? 🤔 bc if not then this might be bad for people who do work while being lead. often when i lead my friends they have work to do and are afk for a bit

[mortal jetty]

They can afk under the tree

[ember cedar]

OMG I LOVE THE NEW MUSIC FOR THE TREEHOUSE

[radiant drum]

#beta-announcements

We ask that testers let their skykids idle (no touching the screen or controls) for a few minutes and then try to collect Light to ensure Light collection resumes correctly. Please try to test different scenarios where you might go AFK and resume collecting Light alone or with friends

[wheat heath]

There is no tree in beta

[spark lance]

Its why insometimes by audiobooks lmao cause i have kids and so much to do during the day.. dinner, lunch breakfast, laundry, cleaning mopping..... friends i have carry me simetimes, but usually i run alone and finish a workd in like three or four log ins, but aometimes friends say its okay join me and simetimes i lead while they are busy eating or something inalways had my ear on if they honk while im sometimes afk ..

[white latch]

Still dont know how we see an afk sky kid

[still ibex]

The tree is already long gone

[nocturne dew]

Some people care or feel sad when they are leading and their friends are AFK. I’m not one of those people - as long as someone will respond if I rapidly honk at them there’s literally no reason for me to exclude them from a candle run just because they might be busy with other things. I often drag my sister around all over the place while she makes dinner or cleans. I just don’t feel like this is the proper solution nor do I feel that AFK players should be punished in this way. If leaders for CR don’t like their friends being afk while they run they should have a conversation about it.

[rain delta]

Okay good point, but where do I collect light, when I’m idle and not moving??

[vivid shore]

I believe it shouldve been implemented ages ago.
When I lead with my friends in GW, and they suddenly go AFK (most of the time without telling me), and they shatter stars because they didn't home trick or fell off because of crab and lose stars in black water, they would get upset and blame me. When in reality, they should be paying attention. I'm already doing all the hard work, the least they can do is not be selfish and go AFK without notice.

[silent lily]

So we're just supposed to test if we get light after we exit afk mode and not that do we get light in afk mode?

[maiden minnow]

scenarios to test:

1. Being dragged by a friend for 10 minutes to 1 hour. Don't move your Sky and only see if you collect wax or not
2. (I can't think of anything else)

[cosmic orchid]

we should try and test with some friends who will drag us in cr first, since its mostly given that it'll work when doing nothing beside the tree

[steady pond]

lol this chat is on fire

[radiant drum]

Friends!

[stark cloud]

Tgc can bring the tree back anytime. On beta basically

[hollow compass]

Did you test the new afk feature in the game yet?

[rain delta]

I’m a lone wolf... hahaha jk jk

[zenith wasp]

We don’t test collecting light when you’re AFK. We need to test resuming to collect light after being afk

[spark lance]

omg have they? skskks i make it known that i dont like afk-ers in my runs, so when they do i just ✨conveniently✨ unhold

[spark lance]

Asked a friend in game but they just logged in to check updates. Have no friends online...

[vivid shore]

when you're listing to auiodbook, you're still technically listening, sometimes even rewinding a few seconds and/ or fast forwarding. And your attention is still thre since you're listening.\

[radiant drum]

They also asked us to test if after being AFK and moving again, Light collection resumes as it should. I can already imagine a bug where you go AFK for 5 mins and you can't collect anything anymore

[hollow compass]

The perhaps wait with your judgement until you know how it works. 🙂

[fierce shoal]

this change is unfair to many players who play on the call through discord or whatsapp, because we take turns who carries the friends and we play while we talk on the call, so we don’t move our characters all the time, and that doesn’t mean we’re afk honestly, it doesn't make sense to change all gameplay because of an event. TGC could modify the way the tree provides wax (just like in the dragon event)

[stark cloud]

10 props from Assembly is a huge number tho

[spark lance]

Im also listening if friends honk or need me back at the screen

[silver willow]

I’ll try to afk while doing hw then, now that I realised they want to test what happens after you afk

[spark lance]

so is this mean everyone will just be honking when cr so they dont lose wax

[sullen relic]

most likely scenario i can imagine for testing the AFK/resume collecting thing is probably if you're a player who likes waiting on burn merges on the graveyard plant, but i'm sure there're other scenarios where you might go AFK and then resume a run from where you're sitting

[rain delta]

I still don’t like the requirement to full attend to the game... i predominantly play by self tbh, but even so I don’t like that now I’m forced to be active to collect light :( that’s my only issue

[vivid shore]

Not really. Don't you help in burning darkness or lighting candles?

[silent lily]

Also can we appreciate how the three out of 5 props in questgiver's tree are actually FREE and only two cost in game currency

[maiden minnow]

it's still not confirmed if we are considered afk when candle running while a friend drags us. We shouldn't come to these conclusions while still lacking testing data. I know how you guys feel about it, but honestly it's getting kinda annoying now, sorry.

[mortal jetty]

You can AFK not so near on an uncollected light, resume then try collecting the light, that way you can test out the AFK

[neat stream]

I guess it’s also for future events so not only Days of Bloom, let’s keep that in mind!

[timid bough]

they didn't change it because of the event they noticed they required change after observing the event

[vivid shore]

In this case, if you're marked as AFK and not get was when you are tagged as such, can you also be safe from krills/ losing light in black water and/ or rain?

[spark lance]

In those realms friends who dont abuse eachother like ubers but need to be afk sometimes always attend to plants

[eager fulcrum]

in live i have seen a friend be afk literally the whole day under the tree. it’s crazy

[bright portal]

the chevron doesnt deplete as fast now , i think its what im getting with the improved system?

[vivid shore]

I think the new AFK system only applied if you've been AFK for a certain period.. and not like within 30 seconds of AFK

[solid dune]

Isn’t that literally changing it because they noticed it happening from the event

[mortal jetty]

That friend must be fan of idle games

[shut jacinth]

How would the game consider us afk in the first place ? What's the time that we need to not touch the controls and stuff before being considered afk

[oak pelican]

I'm a lurker, but I just want to bring up that some people want to finish cr quickly, and help each other do that, to have more time to socialize without stress or while doing something else in the game

[steady pond]

eh, not everyone who AFKs does it out of malice either. sometimes ive dragged friends who fell asleep in the middle of it since theyre tired. we'll see how this affects them

[cosmic orchid]

rip phone becoming a toaster

[mortal jetty]

I think when your Sky kid will sit down it is consider as afk?

[bright portal]

does afk while holding a moving player's hand count?

[silent lily]

I'm so glad how this season has evolved, it's literally so much better now. The new area, the Cosmetics evrything. And some functions are yet to be added so there's that!

[shut jacinth]

Oh

[vivid shore]

time to test it to find out

[steady pond]

all these questions about AFK but no one testing it yet

[spark lance]

i love helping my friends cr when they need to sleep also because i can put them in oob when i finish so they are surprise when they wake up

[cosmic orchid]

time to test it out

[solid dune]

The update message clearly states they created this system because of the behavior during the blooms event.

[fluid quail]

i like farming while dragging friends+a friend who doesn't like farming but like wax = perfect combination

[tawny badger]

it will be nice to be able to see if a friend becomes afk

[spark lance]

I only get what I can get from the tree. It's not like I'm the only one who wants to admire the tree's beauty

[spark lance]

Yah ill be afk for max ten mins before changing screen or checking if friends said anything but always listen to honk if were at a plant or ive been disconnected.. and same with them. Im@not always the passenger sometimes im the uber. But only for friends who im close with. Not people that just fly to you expecting to be lead... indont have friends like that

[valid terrace]

Wait
FRIENDSHIP INTERACTIONS WITH THE QG
NO WAY

my only complaint is that this is the only spirit you can do this with
good lord I am going to spam this in Live

[mortal jetty]

I notice that when i left my phone while playing your sky kid will sit down, i think that can be an indicator

[limpid pumice]

Okay but why Target the Player, instead of the Tree? Why can't tree just be like the Dragon?

[bright portal]

sadly i dont have any active beta friends to test with , but ill try out afk duration

[solar oar]

AGREEEEEEEE

[wooden raptor]

I like to drag my friends no matter if they are totally AFK or not. I help them and they help me when I need it. So I dont see a problem with this. Otherwise why holding hands in the first place if you dont want your friend to be not afk at all.. If them being AFK is a problem, I think best solution is to ask them not to go AFK. But it doesn't really mean that all players should be "active" when playing a game with a feature that lets you hold hands. Because valley doesn't really need any helping while collecting so why bother tapping on screen?

[valid terrace]

why is it the only spirit

maybe this is the very beginning of more interactions

[bright portal]

okay, im afk in beta starting now

[steady pond]

lol valley is literally the 20min long powernap area for passengers

[spark lance]

I still testing. On progress

[crude crystal]

I usually leave sky overnight so i can listen to forest music and fall asleep

[ember cedar]

idk how to tell if the afk is working

[valid terrace]

can we do stuff with the basegame spirits, TSs and QGs
hhhhhrrrrrnnnggghhhhh
please

[vivid shore]

But how can you control friends who go AFK? Sometimes they're AFK the whole time and I don't even know it

[spark lance]

Then you wake up with a drained phone?

[steady pond]

same, i love waking up to find my friends sleeping with me too 😭 its wholesome

[misty star]

I can’t believe people have been leaving their sky kids afk lol, how many candles do you even get from that?? Can’t be many right?

[cosmic orchid]

I like vault tho, I can't sleep there so many elevators and cakes

[limpid pumice]

Hope You guys are also telling in #beta-feedback to not make this in live, I really think the Tree should be tweaked instead than the players themselves.

[bright portal]

check on the candle maybe it might grey out after a few minutes, or maybe an alert will popup

[valid terrace]

why is this the only spirit, I wish to file a complaint

we need MORE

[solar oar]

This game literally have no freedom now. We can’t do anything we want freely 😞

[placid linden]

Butterfly Jar?

[vast edge]

hmm the thought of the afk system hmm i dont like it personally. i'm busy with work so i dont get to play as actively like before so my friends would drag me around during runs(altho we take turns when im available). Im mostly afk while im being lead to collect wax...if they implement the afk system then id rather just not log in to play...man

[solid dune]

You have the option of leaving them behind if you so badly don’t want someone being afk.

[spark lance]

Ill test with a friend before submitting feedback

[bright portal]

we dont know if the afk system is applied to hand holding yet, lets hope not

[vivid shore]

uh except what if you're leading 7 people and the AFK one is in the middle of the others?

[steady pond]

our priority is to test what the cap is, how it works, what it affects. lets not jump to conclusions just yet

[haughty sleet]

i want to bring up something too...... there are some players that are actually older have jobs and college.... my best friend on sky does... sometimes she has to be afk to attend to her job and sometimes i have to be afk to complete my assignments....... we both help each other out this way....... what i want to say is that being afk is not necessarily a bad thing.... its sad that because of a minority of people are abusing this ... everyone has to face the consequences :/

[fluid quail]

oh wow, the afk system work while being dragged.

[spark lance]

I really hope this system doesn't go to live

[radiant drum]

Remember to just please try it in beta first, or watch this channel after testers had the time to test it properly, so you don't submit feedback based on initial assumptions and not how it actually works in practice

[misty star]

Oh yeah what about when sky kids are being ubered? I hope they don’t apply the AFK system to hand holding lol

[crude crystal]

I leave my kid in prairie and chatting with u guys

[wooden raptor]

I can drag my friends AFK from prairie to vault without releasing hands if you skip some obvious scenarios which breaks handholding or if the servers are merciful enough to not mess with you. So I can manage my route to keep the handholding as long as possible. But this is my personal preference. If you don't want to do this, simply ask your friends before dragging them

[spark lance]

But seems holding hands will be pointless now everyone run on your own: tgc hahaha

[bright portal]

test guys! testing testing testing

[solid dune]

Then you can let go of the afk person and take the person they’re holding onto.

[vivid shore]

I didn't anything about wanting or not to take AFK friends

[maiden minnow]

We don't know yet, people are still testing. So we should avoid jumping to conclusions, positive or negative

[valid terrace]

Solution: get friends to dress up as spirits and hug you

with a bit of suspension of disbelief it’s basically the real thing

[spark lance]

Im neutral

[misty star]

Okay, thank u for answering

[haughty sleet]

yess true

[vast edge]

hopefully it doesnt i'll be sad because I lead around my friends when theyre afk too.. we have different schedules of availability so we take turns..i have office work, my other friend has online classes,,,my other friend has commisions because shes a free lance artist.. our play hours differ because of our schedules,, so hopefully they dont tag it as afk

[wispy wave]

I don't fully understand the update,

So if I’m playing Afk in any place, can't you collect candles after that? I like to sleep listening to the background sound... 😂 I wonder if we can't collect light only in the afk state or after the afk state.

[compact jetty]

tested with @fluid quail and their friend, you flagged as AFK if you dont move your camera for 5mins

[mortal jetty]

Hi so I did test this and your Sky kid will sit down after 1 minute of AFK in Live

[bright portal]

it's been 4 minutes, no alert or any sign of notifying im afk

[vivid shore]

I think it's actually nice for TGC to allow us to test the AFK feature first. A lot of online games already have this feature from the very begining and you don't see their playerbase complaining
EDIT: But I do really hope this makes it to live. It'll really make it fair for a lot of players and discourages AFK-ing.

[maiden minnow]

oH, how does the flag work. Does it just stop collecting?

[spark lance]

Thanks for the tip. I could use that one

[cosmic orchid]

does this work when holding hands?

[valid terrace]

I can finally hug a spirit

[radiant drum]

To be clear, discussing, theorizing, ranting and figuring things out here together is totally fine! But when it comes to submitting feedback or reporting bugs to the devs, please take an extra care in testing things out properly so you understand how they currently work and can submit your thoughts constructively

[haughty sleet]

at the same time since this system is here... maybe they can make a way to stop loosing light if you go afk in dark water??...... laughs in falls asleep/passes out mid-runs in gw

[vivid shore]

and under the rain too

[cosmic orchid]

I sorta imagined your skykid to appear grey lmao

[bright portal]

aha they cant stop me ! afks in eden for 5 hours

[vast edge]

omg immortality if ever

[valid terrace]

can we interact with more spirits in the future or is it not possible

if not then cosplay is definitely a good-enough substitute

[nocturne dew]

FIVE minutes?? That’s ridiculous. It takes me five minutes to make a cup of coffee. Then what I come back to a CR where I’m not leading and now I have missed wax, and either have to ask the leader to circle back around or come back later myself. That’s ridiculous.

[bright portal]

anyways folks with beta friends, does the afk system affects players who afk holding hands with friend?

[still bane]

no but if ur a regular afker you have no right to oppose this. like ur literally holding ur friends back by not contributing. shame on you, go help your friends out when doing a candle run smh

[valid terrace]

throw your stuff in #beta-feedback

[vivid shore]

maybe honk or keep your candle out, or pan the camera around every 2 minutes, to let the game know you're still there

[maiden minnow]

I don't like full AFkers, but I'm fine with semi-AFKers

[twin gate]

Questions: if the seasond end and the questgiver still in forest, does the proop that cost candles gone or stay there?

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that Season of Assembly is still under development and some items are missing from the spirits' friendship trees due to a bug. Please check back after a new build has been released! Make sure to visit #beta-known-issues for the latest information about beta-specific bugs before submitting feedback or bug reports

[vast edge]

but if you think about it, when you're in a candle run the camera technically moves around and adjusts while running so hopefully it really is not tagged as afk prayer emote

[compact jetty]

like, who never semi-afk for once

[bright portal]

we cant say for everyone's shoes. Some folks have friends who are truly busy and unable to touch their devices and they have every good intention to help

[maiden minnow]

Agreed. I feel like it has to be extended to at least 15 minutes for someone to be considered 100% afk

[worthy tulip]

I understand entirely the AFK thing for people just idling under the tree for wax, but I'd maybe make it 10 minutes instead of 5 personally? Like there are times when I'm candle running and I really need to stop my dog from being a naughty puppy and I don't wanna come back seeing I missed out

[pale junco]

Since it's in the questgiver constellation it will stay

[nocturne dew]

My afk friends don’t hold me back at all. I don’t care if they light candles or burn plants unless I actually need their help. Five minutes is INSANE. Stepping away from a game for 5 minutes is reasonable. 10 minutes. 15 minutes even holy crap. Punishing players for being afk for five minutes is barbaric.

[ember cedar]

its nice that we can interact with the quest giver instead of waving hands to eachother

[wheat heath]

OH WE NEED TO TEST WHEN YOu GO THROuGH LOADING ZONES!

[valid terrace]

“Spirit trees[...]should now display the correct items”

[vivid shore]

maybe TGC is pushing for work-play balance. If you can't pay enough attention to playing because real life, maybe you should prioritize real life first, and then play only when you can

[jolly iris]

no but if ur a regular afker you have no right to oppose this. like ur literally holding ur friends back by not contributing. shame on you, go help your friends out when doing a candle run smh
@still bane Omg what a crime to be AFK. The game literally allows for fellow players to take you around the world. People choose to be AFK cause that option exists. You have no right to tell people they can't have an opinion.

[nocturne dew]

Work life balance is understandable but 5 minutes is truly ridiculous

[maiden minnow]

I agree. TO #beta-feedback MY ALLIES, HUZAAAAh!!!

[bright portal]

makes good sense, but i can foreshadow a lot of people will not like this change

[white latch]

What if i need to go to the rest room?

[grizzled oxide]

AFK players only hold me back when I have to wait for them to retake my hand :P

[vivid shore]

it's not exactly punishment. |And who said 5 minutes? have you tested it out yourself yet?

[spark lance]

Anyone want to trsr this during a run please pm me

[worthy tulip]

Hi I'm a regular candle runner and me and my friends take turns, we both have to go afk every now and again but we still put effort in

[spark lance]

Let's file feedbacks about this current system

[bright portal]

do the big brain move, bring your device along /j

[vast edge]

I hope they realize that there are times we go afk for bathroom breaks during a candle run..cant count how many times i say "brb imma afk bathroom"

[fluid quail]

for me it was 2 minutes only

[twin gate]

Maube half hour, dont 5 menute

[pale junco]

Remember that #beta-feedback is open and it's best to give constructive feedback.

[worthy tulip]

Maybe Sky should do a Pokémon go and give us wax for walking irl

[nocturne dew]

These kind of changes, if they hit live, are just one more reason for me not to play Sky in the long run. Punishing AFK players after 5 minutes is just cruel.

[maiden minnow]

that's semi-afk, you're still fine. Personally, I see AFK as someone who literally watches Netflix while someone candleruns for them lmao

[compact jetty]

mine is still 5 mins

[vague haven]

so how long IT will start the AFK mood
around5min？

[bright portal]

i still havent got an afk popup 🧍‍♂️

[vivid shore]

yes, but better to test it yourself first, before jumping to conclusions and submitting feedback without even knowing how it works yet

[ember cedar]

i still cant tell what changed when im afk its still the same and i already waited long

[sacred sigil]

what happens if you go afk while holding hands now ?

[worthy tulip]

Did you move the screen?

[spark lance]

when u are not leading cr is boring sometimes because i have seen the realms like 1000 times but i take turns leading realms do they want us to honk every 5 minutes because theres not much to do sometimes

[bright portal]

nope, left it there, my skykid in the sitting idle position

[worthy tulip]

How odd, idk if there's meant to be a popup. Can you still get wax?

[nocturne dew]

There should be zero reason that this change should affect players holding hands. Players sitting alone somewhere sure. That addresses the problem. Players who are holding hands with other players should NOT be flagged as AFK. Period.

[desert mango]

Yeshhh bro , the afk update is awesome idea and the best thing since sliced bread 🤍🕊️🤍

[vivid shore]

thanks for the constructive conversations guys. i need to go to work now. see you all later

[maiden minnow]

oH, according to recent studies and research by the institute of #beta-discussion , we have concluded that there is no AFK popup

[bright portal]

i just moved to get home wax and i could get the wax

[bright portal]

plot twist: my phone has an anti afk system oops-

[desert mango]

It stops people from using or taking advantage of people to take them to get wax ... best update ever

[worthy tulip]

You'll need to wait for the afk thing to happen once you're at home again I think

If you went afk in home then you might wanna report that :stickerShy:

[wheat heath]

I think a good featUre to add is an actUally afk pop Up indicator like sitting down when you jUst stand for awhile. ThoU I think this has to be more pictUre indicator. I’ll pUt this is #beta-feedback too bUt give me yoUr thoUghts

[vast edge]

i sure do hope afk just means "idled and not moving from the same spot for long periods of time cuz thats how some players exploited the wax from the bloom tree

[bright portal]

let me restart my phone and try again

[desert mango]

No more lazy people coming along to pretend to be your friend to get wax

[maiden minnow]

I think it'll be nice if you would see little "Zzz"s on AFK skykids too. So that you can tell they're AFK. HAUEHUAEHUAEH

[worthy tulip]

Imo I think 5 minutes when sitting down should be fine, but 10 or 15 minutes if you are holding hands and moving

[shadow stream]

bruh these people tryna light me up like leave me alone im trying to be afk XD

[solid dune]

People complaining about their AFK friends, you know you have the full and complete OPTION to let go of their hand and leave them behind if you so wish to punish them for being afk.

[wheat heath]

THAT’S ADORABLE Great idea

[ember cedar]

i think i have one too my phone screen locks when i leave the game for too long

[nocturne dew]

EXACTLY THIS

[foggy atlas]

Facts

[bright portal]

okay afking starting now

[quick harbor]

Android player here, will the tree come back for us to test the afk thing or are we meant to get ubered to test it

[opaque swan]

Same here

[maiden minnow]

someone please put it in #beta-feedback for me, I have to wait for 7 minutes TwT

[desert mango]

The only people who will have a issue with this afk update is the people who do it which is hilarious

[white latch]

You have read my mind i was gonna say that, CLEVER

[still bane]

@desert mango EXACTLY THANK YOU, im tired of people exploiting their friends and giving literally nothing in return over a few candles

edit: if you have afk friends find better friends please

[shadow stream]

ok try again XD hope no one insists on lighting me up lol

[steady pond]

what does android have to do with this but its the latter, tree isnt coming back

[bright portal]

cuz my phone had a turbo gaming mode maybe it doesnt make me afk? idk how it works

[quick harbor]

Android receives updates 1 hour later lol

[opaque swan]

Okay but the tree house looks cozy now

[steady pond]

we already had the update hours ago

[maiden minnow]

I kinda do tho, even tho I'm the Uber for a lot of peeps. Mostly because 5 miNUTes iS iNSAnEEE AAAAA
MY BRETHEREN, TO #beta-feedback WE GO, HUZAAAAH

[quick harbor]

The latest one tho? About the afk farming?

[shadow stream]

it was about the days of bloom light collecting

[bright portal]

harsh truth but the likely people who complain about this is most likely people who log in just to farm wax with uber

[desert mango]

Omg I love sky .. this update changes everything 😂 .. I’ve literally never been afk longer than a few seconds .. I think I’m very happy

[haughty sleet]

i have a question..... are there people in the game that actually hoard the candles for no reason??

[steady pond]

theres no patch update for that separately, though? it was an additional message paired with the initial one that announces the build number so, yes, we do

[crude crystal]

So i afk for 10minutes without touching the screen but the game doesnt stop🤔

[nocturne dew]

That’s not true at all. I lead 90% of the time in live and I have MAJOR ISSUES with this update. Punishing my friends for being afk for five frickin minutes in a candle run is insane. That just means that every five minutes I’m going to stop and make sure nobody is AFK so nobody misses out on wax. Which extends the time it takes to do a candle run by a significant amount. This is the sort of update that affects long running and established ways of playing this game. I’ve been playing for over a year now but if this pushes through and afk players holding hands are punished after 5 minutes I am literally done with Sky and with TGC.

[shadow stream]

so if you go on a full cr with afk friends....

[ember cedar]

OMG FINALLY MUSIC SHEETS GETS MUTED IF MUSIC IS OFF I CAN FINALLY DO MY MUSIC SHEET COVERS

[stark cloud]

I bought all Assembly stuff, but it only shown 98%

[haughty sleet]

maybe more missing items??

[maiden minnow]

uhhhh
chuckles in 200+ candles
noooo-?

Also, an actual answer. People who finished all the constellations don't have much to spend candles on anyways, so- heauheueh

[quick harbor]

As a person who HATES, DESPISES getting ubered, I see no issue with this tbh, for my side.

[still bane]

again if you have afkers you call “friends” that give literally nothing in return when a full run is over, find better friends please you dont deserve this

[ember cedar]

i love this season so far

[silent lily]

Checking out if they're afk is on them, not you. You are already helpful enough to help them collect candles!

[opaque swan]

I'm going to explore what's been changed when I get home maybe pick up a few candles on the way

[solid dune]

You are CHOOSING to let someone be afk when you have a problem with it. Sure it’s their fault for being afk, but it is your own fault by doing nothing about it and allowing it to happen and instead be bitter about it.

[maiden minnow]

we need to add Fall Damage to Sky

[bright portal]

i farm solo everyday it doesnt affects me, but i would want to see from other's perspective

[shadow stream]

well what else can they do though other than holding their hand

[quick harbor]

We had that, didn't expirience cause I began a few months later after they gave it up.

Oh, September, I was 1 month late then

[opaque swan]

We had bonk damage back in September ik that I remember it as a moth

[nocturne dew]

Don’t presume to know what my friendships look like. One of my afk regulars is my SISTER. The other ones are friends I talk with every day on discord and have friendships with outside of Sky. To say something like that is rude and presumptuous.

[worthy tulip]

Just a reminder for anyone who is submitting feedback, let's be respectful. The devs are trying to make it more fair for those who put effort in and want to work with us, not against us

[bright portal]

honestly guys, log in to play the game

[thorn delta]

I wouldn’t say for no reason! It’s always good to have more than what you need! Because you never know what treats TGC have in store for us 👀...prevention is better than cure!

[silent lily]

It doens't affect group farming, it only affects those who are afk.
I farm in groups of 2 or 3 but none of us is afk so it will not affect us. But yeah, i can still see it from busy people's pov

[foggy atlas]

Bonk damage almost made me lose wl when I was a moth

[quick harbor]

Oh jesus this chat is wild. See yall, gl giving feedback

[heady violet]

Does someone know if there were added winged lights (star children) in the new areas of the season of assembly ? If yes, can you say to me where to find them ? Thank you 😊

[gilded parrot]

Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself instead of asking here when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve

[spice depot]

i miss bonk dmg ngl

[steady pond]

yall, again.
please test how long it takes to be considered AFK, and if ubered people aren't getting wax, then come to conclusions again 😭
the chat is getting heated over a bunch of things that might not even be true lol

[valid terrace]

Important reminder here - PLEASE NOTE

[spark lance]

I cant collect light if i afk 4 minutes

[crude crystal]

If i am dragging my friends, their disappear is more annoying than afk

[shadow stream]

Same. I genuinely have irl friends who are still quite new and are not yet familiar with the map. 😦 So I can't say about what "true" friends are

[desert mango]

This is how a game company cares about the players .. tgc are the best ... Thankyou 🤍🕊️🤍

[bright portal]

i think mine's bugged, twice i attempt afk for 5 minutes + , no popup sign nothing

[solid dune]

TRUE. SERVER SPLITS are way more annoying than AFKing

[worthy tulip]

Same goes with keeping the discussion respectful. Don't call people who are afk lazy or insult them, some have reasons to be and some don't and it's best not to target everyone

[shadow stream]

I just help without asking anything in return. That's just how it is for me.

[hasty vessel]

if your argument for being afk is that you’re constantly “busy” tgc just made is way more easier for you to get your candles through the new forging system there’s literally nothing wrong with the new afk system and i applaud tgc for taking action against players who try to manipulate it

[timid bough]

its even more annoying when its combined lol

[silent lily]

I don't think anyone did that, but thanks for reminder!

[maiden minnow]

let's cancel server splitting

[fluid quail]

wait do u get server merge if u go afk? anyone tested that yet? i got merged but i don't trust my connection.. got back to them a sec after

[worthy tulip]

I know, but I saw a little disagreement starting and I didn't want it to happen

[spark lance]

#beta-announcements message
Does this mean i can't be afk when someone is doing cr for me?

[crude crystal]

Why is everyone blaming those afk players while their friends/their uber doesnot even care

[haughty sleet]

yee i have 100+ candles as a counter for any ts.... just in case i dont have enough..... and yeah my friend finished constellations and has 400+ candles now cause nothing except Ts to spend on

wont an easier solution just be decreasing TS prices then...... rather than this whole candle new system and afk system...... we wont have to keep counters and take precautions then....... i dont mean go down to 1 candles per cosmetic.... but just making sure the cost stays below 110 candles??

[nocturne dew]

Jfk I am so mad I’m going to bed. This is absolutely ridiculous. I’m sick and tired of TGC nerfing this game to the point that it’s becoming unrecognizable to us original players. I’m disgusted.

[white latch]

So ones gonna talk about deep honk while sitting or laying down? Idk whats that for

[silent lily]

Wdym specifically?
That the uber doens't care about the ones afk?

[wheat heath]

We don’t know exactly yet bUt they best we can do is test the new featUre and find oUt how it will affect Us @spark lance

[compact jetty]

live-looking-for-group will be so dead when this system comes to live

[worthy tulip]

Feel free to submit feedback in #beta-feedback, TGC put it here so we can test but also so we could discuss

[gilded talon]

The Ubers don’t mind their friends being afk

[scarlet venture]

ik😂😂

[steady pond]

im an uber who doesnt care about completely AFK friends who fall asleep
they're tired and thats why i uber them to begin with; to help out lol

[shadow stream]

When I uber I usually don't mind

[ember cedar]

im mostly afk cause i have to do stuff irl

[scarlet venture]

id😊😊

[rain delta]

This solution is sure to spark a lot of fire from players who paid for an adventure pass

[gilded talon]

If it’s mutual consent I don’t see why we can’t allow afk cr passenger.

[shadow stream]

well that's on you. I just help

[heady violet]

Please, take this discussion elsewhere , it is not concerning the beta testing... <@&600489743716712458>

[spark lance]

Most of us are students who need to be afk due to classes/ are tired

[silent lily]

But still
||I don't like how people already have expectations to get rewarded (candles) while they're not actually playing the game||

[worthy tulip]

I feel that those who are completely afk for long periods of time, I feel that the system is good against that behaviour since it's not social, but those who are semi afk shouldn't be punished like that

[desert mango]

It’s the people who do it for their gain we call out , of course their are reasons .. I mean you can’t have a go at someone for needing toilet or gets chased by a swarm of wasps ... ya know the people this is about ... this update will help sky be more wholesome cause I don’t know about anyone else but it’s actually hurtful when you get used by someone just for candles .. someone like me is to nice to say no and now I don’t have to put up with people who don’t appreciate the help ..it be nice to have a stranger at leased be their in mind rather than be afk and dissapear without even a thanks

[stark cloud]

Treehouse looking cool

[silent lily]

It is, this thing hasn't been revealed to live players.
So this channel is where we should and will discuss!:stickerLove:

[simple bobcat]

Why should the people who consent it be punished too tho?

[spark lance]

I don't think u should ping them all. Every mod just got a ping. You should've pinged one mod pooh

[maiden minnow]

Agreed. Semi afk are fine, since they have their phone next to them anyways if it's ever needed. This system should be targeting people who are afk for 20+ minutes at a time

[rain delta]

Then why do you offer candle runs? If you don’t offer them, you don’t need to take someone along for the ride and you won’t be disappointed if they go afk

[nocturne dew]

What’s the point?? I’ve left TONS of feedback about major changes like this. LOTS of people have. They push it through anyway. They don’t care anymore. I used to think they did but I don’t think that anymore. Sky is not a game I recognize from when I first started playing. TGC just caters to punishing everyone for a tiny tiny percentage of toxic players now. I’m literally disgusted. Not that THAT matters either even though I’ve dumped my wallet into this game just to support them. Not anymore. These changes are stupid. Straight up.

[steady pond]

you shouldnt even ping mods to begin with lol the channel #contact-the-mods exists for a reason. please use that instead in the future

[cosmic orchid]

must you ping the gods?

[haughty sleet]

thats true too.... but isnt 110 candles reasonable enough??....... ive paid for AP too and i actually fear for my friends who want the sanc TS cause the prices might rise even more.... i really want them to get their favourite cosmetics.....

[eager fulcrum]

i’m not a mod why did discord ping me

[silent lily]

||Yeah, but people'aren't seeing that|| which umm

[formal lintel]

i can feel my childhood back when i go to the tree house 🥰🥰🥰

[heady violet]

They are talking about playing in afk while a friend takes you to farm candles..

[vast edge]

exactly,, why would you even uber if you leave your afk friends? isnt the point of being an uber or leading your friends is to help them? that's why people are complaining about the afk system. what the point of leading if yknow your friends afking wont get light,, you'll lose the interest of helping and just go afk because it doesnt benefit either of you,,you who want to help your friends by offering to lead or the afk ones who are happy that they are being helped... isnt this game supposed to be encouraging to help people, this might turn into a solo scenario

[bright portal]

I believe tgc is starting to go in a different approach, as initially promised, the game was designed to be a casual, relaxing game for all ages to enjoy. They dont want their game meant to be a grind-for-all gameplay, they dont want to encourage their game is just all about cosmetics and currency, because that is what a chunk of the community complains all the time, massive grinding and adding "friends" specifically just to uber them to get candles. They want you to know this game is more than just pretty clothes.

The changes implemented recently is just a matter of time to be addressed, although it isnt perfect. Its a first step. Hence, there's balancing changes and beta version in the first place.

[solid dune]

I Uber my group of friends 90% of the time while they’re afk doing school work or in classes or doing chores or eating. And I have absolutely no problem with it at all because sometimes they do the same for me.
If some players have issues with an afk player, they have the option to leave said afk player and the issue is gone entirely. I’m not going to shame someone for being afk.

[simple bobcat]

It's about the new update tho

[steady pond]

personally if the tree is what brought the AFK farming issue to attention, then the tree should be adjusted, not the players.
but again, we have to test and see how it really works lol

[silent lily]

I heard the gods possess big banhammers

[desert mango]

The afk thing is really just a little prompt to remember to be respectful... I like it ALOT !!

[heady violet]

How do I know who to ping, if no one sees the things I write

[spark lance]

They should put the afk system only in home if it's such a big problem

[spark lance]

I agree. It's not like I go afk for no reason at all.

[timid bough]

to be fair tgc do listen to feedback to some degree (daily light got balanced again)

[steady pond]

go to #contact-the-mods lol dont ping mods. you can bring the issue to their attention through that channel instead

[gilded talon]

This change on afk is basically forcing a certain kind of behavior, by taking away the ability to collect wax if you wanna do otherwise. Whereas TGC stated themselves that all play styles are welcome. It really doesn’t feel right.

[heady violet]

So why are they called mods ? Who do you ping to moderate a channel ?

[shadow stream]

Um, is there supposed to be a warning or something for being afk for too long? been afk for 7 mins now and nothing is happening

[silent lily]

Is it just me or when my friend is ubering me and i have to go eat or study, I'll just leave the game instead of sticking to them and not being there with them in a certain way?

[pulsar blade]

Wheres asking beta help in game play. Four people quest?

[gilded parrot]

Are you sure you looked everywhere? It has to be somewhere! Remember to try searching for things in Beta yourself, and if you're struggling with something, submit that as feedback to TGC in #beta-feedback to help them improve it!

[rain delta]

I honestly don’t like the game-play will just become more constrained...it’s really unnecessary to add this check, for people who don’t like afk players, the solution is really simple... just don’t offer candle runs
How many times do you actually meet someone on a cr and actually talk to them more than once? I hardly do... and it doesn’t matter if it’s during a cr or not
IPlus, when a player is candle running, how the heck do they type and fly at the same time? They don’t so the interactions during candle runs are already very limited

[worthy tulip]

I'm sorry but I disagree. There are a lot of things that got changed due to feedback, such as designs for the season or changes to IAP and in game currency. TGC is looking out to make their game a more social environment, not a farming one, and since it's their game they have the right to make the game whatever they want it to be. They have made candle running easier, made things better for those who can't play as much, and are making Sky that little bit more friendly. I even got ||Oreo summoned|| the other day in Live with random players, which had never happened to me before and I couldn't help but smile that others were starting to help to achieve things together rather then apart.

[stark cloud]

I can feel the slowmode will be add 5 minutes or more

[silent lily]

Bruh, it was a joke

[steady pond]

if everyone pinged a mod for what they felt like was inappropriate behaviour, the mods would be bombarded with pings lmao. they're still real life people. just use the #contact-the-mods channel, where mods can directly see your message instead.

[still bane]

@desert mango who doesnt, literally the only people getting mad at this are actual afkers themselves mad that they cant exploit their friends asdjsjsk

[heady violet]

I am avaible to help with the quest. I’m gonna send you my qr code in private

[desert mango]

Anything that encourages good behaviour I’m happy about

[shadow stream]

RIP my question ok XD

[silent lily]

You need not to ping them. The mods are always watching
||A joke too||

[spark lance]

Im also happy to help. Dm me your qr

[worthy tulip]

I don't know, I'm sorry for missing this!

[bright portal]

this afk system isnt even new in the first place guys.... a lot of mmos have afk timeouts too

[cosmic orchid]

[arctic fern]

I don't really think this encourage good behaviour though

[maiden minnow]

aaaa imma do my candlerun now guys. Cyaaa

[wheat heath]

I honestly get really scared when Updates like this happen. People try to vilify the other side which in this case are the afkers. Look man, if yoU Uber yoU have to Understand that yoU might deal with afk people a lot of the time and yoU can honestly even tell people Up front that yoU want someone who will be active. If that doesn’t work, better not to candlerUn randos and friends woUld be better. I WILL SAY THAT THIS AFK SYSTEM MIGHT NOT AFFECT CANDLES RuNS. PLEASE CAN WE GET TESTING ON THAT (i’m not in beta I cry I jUst really enjoy watching the discUssions and ne Updates)

[haughty sleet]

i agree.... hopefully it works out in the long run... but i also feel like pretty cloths are a big part of the game too..... i love collecting cloths and expressing a different look every time....... its like sky fashion uwu.... very fun....

[worthy tulip]

I think it encourages a more social behaviour, there is no good or bad to be honest

[silent lily]

Yeah lol, many games have afk timers of 10 or 20 mins.

[gilded talon]

But a lot of players have fun by afk or helping afk friends too. In Sky. It’s different games and different mechanisms

[scarlet venture]

overall, I dont like the new system. they should atleast give us 15-30 minutes then reduce amount of wax that afk people collect. people dont afk for no reason. mostly its because they're busy. You cant blame them for being busy. Reason why they need to make the most out of it like while doing hw and ur friend drag u through candle runs , is because they need to get candles. why? because ts prices are very expensive. the whole reason players afk is because of ts . so now you're saying people afk and u have this new system because you made ts prices expensive?! Its does not make sense and I think this is cruel. I do not like this at all and if this comes to live, I will quit sky. I at first joined this game because i think its fun, and social. Now you're just forcing players to be not busy and play sky?! ridiculous. I hope you can think about it again. If TGC is just forcing people then Im sure more people will quit sky.

[shadow stream]

Oh boy I can imagine people in sky fb complaining about stuff like these again XD

[hasty vessel]

imagine how many people must have taken advantage of the blossom tree for this to be implemented

[bright portal]

if what you feel it needs it's a long timeout, im sure tgc can consider that feedback

[desert mango]

5 minutes is enough time to do what you need ... turn the game off if you really need longer

[steady pond]

Ahhhh. the last time the channel got this heated it was when TGC introduced the TS AP feature, lol. time sure flies

[silent lily]

It's fun to afk and not interact with their friend while they help you farm?

[solid dune]

I have been here since the update was announced and I have not seen ONE person say THEY are an AFKer. All I have seen are UBERS concerned for their FRIENDS.

[cosmic orchid]

oh god, fb and youtube comments are all just , wait I forgot twitter

[scarlet venture]

what if u need to go to toilet for 15 minutes

[worthy tulip]

Quite a few, I remember wondering the other day what would stop users from leaving their phone idle under the tree and now I know

[stark cloud]

Don't forget to send your feedback at #beta-feedback

[sacred sigil]

i went afk for 12 minutes at home , nothing happened. I don’t know about holding hands though. In my personal experience with the game i made wonderful friendships and we go for candle run, usually i am the one giving the ride. Sometimes my friends goes afk, like we have already spoken a lot, sometimes we talk. But like is boring to just hold hands, when i get i ride i watch some youtube eat something. I never got hold of how much time i stay away from the game or the brakes we have while talking. In my experience this is completely unnecessary, i might not even notice it. Other than another inconvenience to make me beep. I don’t farm that much in beta though. So i think that the community is paying for some people bad actions. And if you are with me just cuz you want candles i don’t want you around. i don’t want the game to force you to engage with me, you know ?

[bright portal]

they really dont hold back haha

@sacred sigil yeah it didint worked for me too, will proably submit a bug later

[spice mason]

The audacity to call people "exploiters" for simply leaving their phone open. Is. Ridiculous.

[desert mango]

Take phone with you as it’s mobile

[hollow compass]

@heady violet This server is mostly peer moderated, ie we all help keep the atmosphere nice and respectful. Mods can be called in if there is a real crisis, where someone is doing really bad things. You can also read more about who to contact when in the #contact-the-mods channel. 🙂

[rustic imp]

Reminder that we were only just told about this update. No one knows what happens yet! If you are worried about what it means, it might be a good time to jump in game and take some time to understand how it feels.

[shadow stream]

been afk for 10 mins now nothing is happening XD

[valid terrace]

I’m over here losing my mind over finally being able to hug spirits and begging that this isn’t a one-off

[tacit stone]

Thats not true. With mutual consent, ubers and passengers is an act of helping each other and new friendship can be formed from there.

[worthy tulip]

But yeah, overall, 5 minutes for this sitting down? Fine, if you are sitting there doing nothing to take advantage of the event, you shouldn't get the wax, but if you're holding hands? 10 minutes, 15 max.

[silent lily]

I'm neither an uber , nor a person who always tags. We don't really daily run and when we do, we Just keep switching places.
But i feel like i can still give my opinions and feedback on it, i hope

[timid bough]

also, not everything gets to live especially with strong feedback

[still bane]

@wheat heath nobodys vilifying anyone, im just saying you shouldnt call someone who wastes your time over a virtual currency a “friend”

[rustic imp]

It's understandable everyone here is passionate about the future of the game, so please keep it respectful regardless of what you are saying.

[hasty vessel]

🤦🏽‍♂️ some people just take it too far i guess

[limpid pumice]

Bruh, a lot of My friends don't even have time to do Sky, some are lucky to farm in one area due to school/homework and are too busy to look. 5 minutes is wayyyy too low.

[scarlet venture]

i have to go, might see u guys soon, bye

[rain delta]

You’re right it’s their game and they have all the means to change it however they want. That said, playerbase are the ones constantly playing the game and enriching its environment. There’s always a fine line to tread between listening to player opinions and sticking to the artistic choices that a company makes for its game. Ignore your playerbase too much and you might not understand what people are really looking for and in turn drive players out of the game. At the same time, if a company is too easily swayed by the player base, they loose their own vision for the game.
It’s a hard line to tread honestly

[spark lance]

i dont think this will happen but i hope its not something that comes up on our screen when u are afk to long because sometimes i just like to sit in forest and stare at the rain and i think that would upset the peacefulness in sky i will feel like i always have to be doing something and moving and not just enjoy playing sky how i want to

How am I supposed to test the light collecting of the tree, if there's no tree?????

[solid dune]

To say someone being afk is exploiting and wasting their friends time is uncalled for and rude.

[spark lance]

(2)

[thorn delta]

Then they should not play the game then!

[trim ferry]

We believe this change will lead to a more active world that affords players more opportunities to socialize with other players

ARE U SERIOUS?

[sacred sigil]

If someone is with me just because they want candles i don’t want the game to force them to engage with me... With time we cut these kind of people down...
don’t worry about the pins heueheuehe

[bright portal]

well since im a solo runner, i got nothing to say honestly. But i hope everyone is given a level of respect here while expressing their opinions, including TGC

edit : sorry ignis, accidentally pinged you

[heady violet]

I don’t like to be ubered around, even if I’m not afk (I don’t play at all if I have to play afk.. but maybe it’s because I don’t need candles from more than a year , I don’t know..) .. I like going farming, even tho I have more than 600 candles, because it relaxes me, but I don’t see it as a “job” to do every day. If a friend needs to study or something and needs to be ubered, I volunteer without a problem.. I actually don’t like when we are farming and I have to stop every 2 seconds to answer in the chat ... when farming I farm, when hanging out with friends somewhere else, I chat ...

[little hound]

Charged shout = deep call?

[craggy bloom]

No im allways leading, and this made me soo upset that some of my friends may quite, coz they don't have much time for cr and i was helping them

[arctic fern]

Even if my friend is doing candle runs while I'm being dragged around it doesn't necessarily means I'm AFKing. There's simply nothing I can do.
While people afk under the tree is not what they want for the resort you have to admit there's not much to do while you're doing candle run with friends especially with that time limit

[worthy tulip]

I don't think it's fair to say people shouldn't play the game if they don't have much time, this game is inclusive for everyone no matter their situation

[tacit stone]

We punish afk players just because some players exploit the blossom tree's light? Then might as well just remove the light from the blossom tree, instead of making such a big change to punish afk players.

[steady pond]

ok, real talk, this is a good hot take there eden

[limpid pumice]

Excuse Me, Then what's the point in even Playing? Might as well tell their others friends to quit too, since They are also busy..

[shadow stream]

People have different reasons for being afk and most of the time it's just that they are busy.

PS. I'm the one who always leads so yeah that's really rude and uncalled for.

[silent lily]

And tbh, if i am very busy, and need to study or eat. I would rather just leave the game than afk-ing. But i know others' ways can be different
@worthy tulip but if you don't have time, then yes, you shouldn't playing a game while you're busy. I don't think they meant quitting the game, they just meant you shouldn't play for the time you're busy

[nocturne dew]

I feel like the players saying they LOVE this new system are just players who want their friends to fawn all over them in gratitude and shower them with attention for leading a CR. Ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as this change and those same players accusing people AFK of being leeches/mooches/disrespectful/saying afk people are taking advantage. Clearly you don’t have a good understanding of this game and it’s supposed ALTRUISM. Where is the altruism in punishing AFK players TGC??? Just another major update that KILLS the community spirit in Sky. Just like radar honk. Disgusting.

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! Please make sure to search it yourself before asking, and together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience

[hasty vessel]

urm can someone quote where it says candle runners will also be impacted by this change...? we don’t even know if this impacts afk candle runners yet as it hasn’t been confirmed. some of you are getting heated for no reason???

[vast edge]

LOUDER

[cosmic orchid]

lets keep it respectfully everyone, its currently subject to tests, if we can properly give out our feedback and results to tgc it would really help

[pale junco]

👁️👄👁️ can yall CALM DOWN this is beta we are here to test things that may go to live. This is just a idea that tgc is testing it's not finalized. Tgc will never do something that upsets so many people. We should test this and find the pros and cons of this system. It may never go to live. Also your beta progress doesn't affect live one.

[crude crystal]

someone tested. IT IMAPCTED

[trim ferry]

it's a poke, all this makes me laugh because they will lose many players. thanks tgc another reason not to keep playing

[bright portal]

well i guess the afk system feels okay for me because i get distracted by moving things and i always leave my skykid afk at home in sky after cr, so in a way it keeps me focused back to what im doing.

[heady violet]

Thank you, I didn’t know about this new feature, that’s why I got a little confused about why there was the discussion about the afk friends . I also didn’t know about the channel for the mods , thanks

[ember cedar]

easy i bring my phone

[little hound]

WHAT IS THE ISSUE what are yall blabbering about. I backread but ?

[desert mango]

The chevron system exists for that reason . A game is their to be played not to cater for people who don’t play -it’s a bit weird I think if you can go afk for hours and get the same amount of candles as the people that play hard .. I welcome this update

[maiden minnow]

Oh, it's confirmed already lol

[thorn delta]

I work & too are busy! But I farm myself! I certainly don’t use someone to Uber for my gain! What’s the point in them playing! Yes ok for 5 minutes but not whilst they do other things whilst they gain candles! It’s a beautiful game they are missing out on!

[sacred sigil]

Since tgc will probably come over to look at this chat . PLEASE CAN MY FRIEND STAY IN PIG BACK MODE WHILE WE GO FROM MAP TO MAP? JUST LIKE HOLDING HANDS ? PLEASEEEEE

[steady pond]

slowmode increased to 3 minutes

[rain delta]

Exactly! Answering every message someone types also takes so long and your candle run is extended from 1 hour to 3 hours lolol.
I feel like if their goal is to make sky more social, then a way to set up multi player activities like what noobmode does on YouTube is the best way to go about it... I feel like the frame prop is a potential step in this direction
Maybe they can let us come up with our own race track paths around different regions, or introduce some other way of adding mini games that can be customized

@nocturne dew that is such a good point, I totally forgot all about the altruism aspect of the Cr ubers

[shadow stream]

EXACTLY. People like these always expect something in return...which is not supposed to be the case. Plus you gotta understand some people just don't have the time or maybe they are still very new that they dunno yet the map very well. Besides there are people who play this game are actually GROWN ADULTS WITH JOBS for crying out loud.

[wheat heath]

yoU have been calling afkers leeches this whole time. This isn’t some hUge moral dilemma honestly. And we don’t even know how this even affect candlerUnning so continUing talking like this is helping no one Unless we actUally go in and test and see how this will change the game

[silent lily]

Also i didn't know that "afk players" was a thing and afk is a playstyle. I thought that just means not playing the game.
@feral turret i saw that deleted message and while i can't say anything, i recommend to not make personal assumptions and remarks like that

[cosmic orchid]

omg things getting heated rip beta gone from 17 secs to 3 mins again

[pale junco]

just another day of everyone saying the same thing again and again instead of having a actual discussion

[silent crater]

I CR alone most of the time and yet I'm worried that it will impact my CR with my friends. I sometimes go afk, and my friend sometimes go afk. It's disgusting to say we're taking advantage of the system when in reality we just have a life outside of Sky.

I use Sky as a stress reliever, sometimes I'd rather not talk to people when I CR with them, because sometimes my brain just doesn't want to socialize. Same goes if I'm the one tagging along. Sometimes I just like to watch and help out with recharge if needed.

[vast edge]

IMO it would be a nicer feature instead(so that the blossom tree wax doesnt get exploited) is make it so people have to interact with the tree to get wax...like that time we had to pick up mushrooms(man i feel old) or like if we water the tree we get wax? isnt that more cute and interactive rather than passive wax falling off the tree? just like u have u burn the DRAGON BALLS from the cny event

[crude crystal]

lets focus on the afk systems like how the systems improve . Not the friendship betweens and not how you feel about afk players

[sleek pelican]

Wow now I'm the one holding my breath reading this explosion

[ember cedar]

does the bookshelf have a function now?

[livid ridge]

Well the afk one is fair to me, you can't just do nothing and still earn candle

[nocturne dew]

Except you CANNOT go afk for hours and hours and still get the same amount of candles. Even during a CR with friends unless the leader goes to Extreme lengths to make sure you don’t ever drop hands there is NO WAY that an afk player can collect the same amount of light as an active player by sitting under that stupid tree. Even sitting under the tree how many candles can you really get?? 2 or 3?? So what?? It’s a temporary event. If you don’t want Afk friends then tell them they can’t be afk when you’re doing a Cr.

[desert mango]

I have 4 kids actually and own my own buisness ...this is why I know that going afk for long amounts of time and relying on others is something that doesn’t need to happen , I have never done and never will and Ive played from day 1ish..

[still bane]

so having an opinion = rude and uncalled for?? i have literally been exploited by afkers for hearts in the past, since when is speaking from experience rude? this server is the worst now smh

[frosty ravine]

i think its a better solution just to limit the tree wax

[vapid briar]

Please keep the conversation constructive and civil.

[safe knoll]

Make the system only applicable at Home during the event.
Problems solved.

[cosmic orchid]

we should worship the tree for wax me doing sit and air prophet handstand on all saplings and tree

[lament belfry]

i think we should not punish afk players but just limit the light drop from the tree, imo

[bright portal]

sorry off topic tho but what a cool dad you are you can still play sky while taking care of kids and a buisness

[maiden minnow]

a lot of people right now are just heated up at the moment. Hopefully we can all take some time to calm down before discussing the future of Sky ;w;

[sacred sigil]

Well i rather prefere knowing that someone is exploiting me and cut them off. Than having the game making them interact with me.......

[rain delta]

I feel like valid points have been brought up on both ends tho, if anything this discussion does show you how people feel on either end of the spectrum
Those for the change and those against

[solid dune]

Because the way you are speaking is stating all afk players are like your experience. Not once did you state it in a singular sense.

[spice mason]

Your experiences with a few bad eggs should not define people...who
Sometimes just don't have enough time to candle run. Or be there for an entire run.

[timid bough]

remember to give #beta-feedback, rather than just fighting here

[tacit stone]

I don see why TGC has to punish afk or semi-afk players. If its done with mutual consent, and the players are okay with it, what harm does it do to anyone else? If ppl cant semi afk or afk, they wont even have chance to be with their friends who enjoy ubering them and bringing them around. Why r we punishing this now just because of the blossom tree's light being exploited? i would rather not having any light from the tree if this is the punishment.

[thorny oak]

just don't make this waxes event (like dragon ball from cny event and blossom tree wax event) anymore.. 😂😂😂

[rustic imp]

please don't resort to insults. Doing so will get you muted by mods.

[hasty vessel]

candle farming with friends should be a social event though, cracking jokes and hearing your friends new musical endeavours not dragging them around for candles. again the new forge system was implemented for people who have less time... let them take advantage of the forging system instead?

[vast edge]

RITUAL DANCE FOR WAX!!!!

[narrow silo]

Oh god this channel is full of chaos

[crude crystal]

off topic,I still remember the first time i ask my parents to play games with me, they said something very rude...Is cool and lucky to have a dad like you

[desert mango]

Yep and I’m with them all time and we paint and draw and do a lot together , I never have my head in the phone ignoring them and I don’t go afk .. if need be I turn sky off and give my 100 percent attention to them ... on lockdown atm by the way

[little hound]

I didn’t even know AFKing during candle runs is ... a sin?
AFKing under the tree on the other hand would be considered an exploit.

[silent lily]

I like this new thing.
It greatly promotes the daily light system and again, discourages grinding and encourages to play when you actually want to and when u have the time for it, even if the time isn't a lot

[spark lance]

Just a question, would you rather(please react):
have the new afk thing
Or
remove wax from the tree
other
(i just want to know general opinion of this chat please don't delete, ily)

[fluid quail]

even tho I'm not entirely with this new AFK system but I can see how positively it can be to make the game experience better in the long term.

[rain delta]

Honestly the one in live barely gives you any wax, so I don’t even bother sitting beneath it... :(

[maiden minnow]

tbh the wax in the tree at Live is barely even scraps compared to the Beta tree. HAHAHAHAH

[rustic imp]

Please take a step back if you are wanting to argue. We want to keep the community respectful, even when there are divisive changes.

[nocturne dew]

Oh cool so my one snarky comment gets deleted but everyone insulting and putting down all AFK players calling them leeches and disrespectful is totes fine. God I am so frickin done with this community

[timid bough]

they only noticed this behavior by observing the tree, its meant to address AFKing as a whole

[opaque swan]

When it comes to my reasons to be afk, my parents are unpredictable with chores so I usually go afk for a little and something might take slightly longer than it should, I don't get a lot of time at all on sky so my friends are the ones who help me constantly, this is just going to make my experience not enjoyable because they're willing to help me out too

[sleek pelican]

Yea, honestly i was gonna leave my character under the tree last night. But seeing the drop rate is enough to push me for not doing it. Not worth it.

[somber meadow]

Why do some people care if others don’t grind as hard, but still get candles? Seriously, how does that affect you in any way? Do you get mad that some people can Chibi fall past a door, while others without chibi mask have to wait?

[wooden raptor]

Being afk or choosing not to be afk are both fine. It doesn't have to be picking a side everyone has their own needs or gaming preferences. We should embrace each other the way we are

[light mauve]

Ahhh dchhddhdhndjddj darn, I always go afk to do homework and let people uber me so it’s not controversial lmao

[lethal trail]

lets just notice how the shade prop protect us from the rain

[steady pond]

im not taking sides, but the rude ones were also taken down. being rude isnt a good thing coming from either side

[lament belfry]

i often go "afk" when playing because i often play this game when i'm feeling down mentally, and i just sit down and reflect, but being punished because i just have no energy to communicate is kinda wack

[hollow bolt]

I've been testing the idling time with @fluid quail @gloomy hill2666

The first 2 or 3 times that you go idle, it takes 5 minutes. Then you stop receiving wax.

The rest of the time that you go idle take only 2 minutes until you stop receiving wax.

Group spells don't affect it.

Can confirm that the idling system works! :)

[desert mango]

I hope sky can be even more wholesome and I hope this update does what it intends to do ..I’m sure it’s not meant to upset people but I think it’s right that if your playing you should at leased move the camera .. moving camera is not asking for the world 🤍🕊️🤍

[pale junco]

[silent lily]

I'm sorry, i get your point, but i didn't even ask anything. I just said that I didn't know afk was a playstyle. I never mentioned if i agree or disagree to what your core statement was.
@nocturne dew literally not a single person did that, no one is putting down afk players. We respect everyone equally. We're just normal people trying to have a civil and respectful discussion.
Disagreement doens't mean insult

[buoyant lynx]

has beta discussion ever been this chaotic before? only other time i can think of might be during the AP changes for TS but i didn’t lurk around much at the time

[analog pumice]

Damn, I'm leaving sky if this afk update comes to live, I'm a busy student till July 3rd and I let my best friend drag me around and noone else, she's not just an Uber, we've been playing for 6 months, she understands my contraints and we appreciate each others help and I'm taking her on full crs after July 3rd when she joins the military, this won't really help both of us.

[bright portal]

i have something i can support this afk system, I'm a solo runner, sometimes i gotta open doors, burn plants, things needed multiplayer. Sometimes we get players who play in groups but like half of them goes afk. It slows down my candle running because i need an extra player to help but they are afk, i have to pray for a different server merge so i get active players to help.

[rustic imp]

could you please edit the last sentence? it can be read in a tone that can be aggressive

[wild musk]

may i ask if the facepalm emote is brought to live?

[frosty ravine]

It's true that social is important in Sky. But why would you punish someone to achieve this goal?

[spark lance]

There's like 7 people who reacted (other). Would you mind sharing your idea?

[shadow stream]

I sometimes go afk especially when I'm being called by my mom to help or even multitask just so I can make even a little room of time to spend with friends in Sky since we can't see each other personally due to covid. Hope people will understand, not everyone who goes afk are leechers.

[thorny oak]

even the dragon one is bugged..

[rain delta]

People who feel that way often feel like they are wasting their time playing a game, and that guilt especially manifests when someone else spends that time doing productive stuff. It makes them feel like here they wasted their time taking someone on a cr and that person was probably doing more meaningful potentially life changing stuff.
In other words, the feeling is just a manifestation of a guilty conscious

It’s honestly the same reason why AP pass owners get mad when someone ends up saying they would never “spend money on a game” and hope for everything to be free with the TS
It makes the one spending money look like a fool...

[tropic radish]

I've got no true stance regarding this new update, since I almost rarely go near the tree in live at all

Also... Wait
We're just addressing about the tree afk, not being afk as a whole ?
Does the second statement also retrieve effect to people who afk on runs with someone else leading them ?

[cosmic orchid]

it will once the season is out

[steady pond]

no, there were def people calling AFK players exploiters/lazy lol. both sides had some really heated arguments. 😔

[opaque swan]

Ahh I know how you feel my life outside of sky is really busy which makes everything so much harder

[still ibex]

I was about to test the system but i think it won't work for me since my sky will get closed by itself when i went afk for too long

[haughty sleet]

they delete everything negative (thats just how the server is)... dont mind it.... just try not to get banned

[nocturne dew]

That is absolutely not true. There are SEVERAL people who have accused AFK players of being leeches/taking advantage and gleefully celebrating the fact they will be punished now. This toxic positivity in this community makes me sick.

[fervent loom]

My suggestion is cap the amount of lights from the tree, and leave everything else back to normal 😔

[rustic imp]

Chat is going fast right now, if there are comments you feel break rules, make sure mods see them by sending it in #contact-the-mods.

[still bane]

you know what?? im done with this game and everything related to it, i really hope friendships arent going to get ruined if this comes to live. this is literally just too much for me to handle, im out outoutout OUT

[pale junco]

No, but some people accidentally had it in their emote menu after downloading the update. It's best to report if you see someone with assembly emote in live.
Sorry the slowmode is 3 mins

[rustic imp]

We do want to keep away from insults. Criticism of how things work is ok, but insults are not helpful

[hallow igloo]

Well, for another idea, why not just put a cap on the amount of candles you can farm in a day, like 20 (not counting daily quests) or the limit on the amount you can collect from the tree (like 2 or 3 candles)

[fluid quail]

to add to that, restarting game doesn't reset the idle system.. u continue to stop receiving wax after 2m, and as long as u touch screen u immediately get the wax with no problems

[agile geode]

Wait so we have to spend normal candles for some seasonal stuff now??

[timid arrow]

This is beta and you should calm down

[silent lily]

Also idk why people here are planning to quit the game while it's still not entirely known if this evn will affect the candle run afk thing because your camera actually moves while the uber moves

[stray imp]

Wow this new update really something. Why the act afk being punish? Is not hacking or etc. I thing is to harsh to be called afk is sin and got some punishment.
This is the first time i saw on non competitive game that afk behavior clasify as breaking rule. :pEyes:

[thorn delta]

Yes! 50🕯=gazebo
30💜=bookshelf

[bright portal]

the items that uses candles and hearts will remain there i believe when the season is over, just the ultimate items will be removed

take it as a new shop

[little hound]

I see now why some of you consider AFKing an exploit. Because imagine receiving waxes by getting dragged around the realms with nearly zero effort lol Same with the tree, AFKing for ~3 hours will forge 10 candles(?).

[spark lance]

Why can't they make it available for seasonal candles instead?

[analog pumice]

Well I'll be quiting sky if this happens so, yeah I'd miss my friends

[tacit stone]

Yes, this is what im most concerned about now. If the camera moves (on its own) during candle run, does it still affect afk players? Has anyone tested this?

[shadow stream]

Man this update test has really divided the community...

[vast edge]

I'll just put this out. One thing I find it cute when I'm afk and I have to do something is that my friend(the one ubering) goes to random places and take pictures or do emotes during the runs. Ofc Im not aware of this because I'm afk but after the run they would send me pictures of those times while i was afk. This just shows that ubers NEVER ever complain about dragging their afk friends and even try to enjoy the game even with afk friends. Pictures with friends look better than solo photos. I'm greatful to my uber friends, I used to uber them all the time back then when they were moths. Now theyve grown and they are happy to assist me when they know im busy. Its fine to have opinions on afk people but dont always assume they afk for their own benefit, its different for people. If youre so concern of afk people during runs and you dont want them as an uber then dont bring them? just my thoughts

[opaque swan]

I don't want to be called a leech for being afk that makes me sad that people are going that route it makes me feel really guilty for it, it's not always our faults for going afk we always have a reason

[haughty sleet]

no no lmao.... there have been multiple insults..... mods are working on deleting them... seems difficult in such a fast chat

[cosmic orchid]

the QC won't go away so those things can be assumed as non seasonal, so yes candles and hearts, one thing for it tho is that they can be collected even after the season is done, aaaand just like how hearts from past seasons have candle prices now, those things may or may not have those exact prices or have a price at all,

[untold shuttle]

Hi is anyone having trouble finding your beta build number? It only shows () on my app

[stone topaz]

I feel good when my friends are going afk and do other stuffs while voice chatting with me and let me CR. This afk change is just... no

[tropic radish]

As for all I know this new mechanic was placed to prevent the tree from giving you full amount of candles like a full CR, not punishing afk players as a whole. So that candle running is still a choice, is it not ?

No, afk players aren't leeches at all. The only real leeches of this game are hackers

[wild musk]

I was asking because I have it on live when it's not supposed to be. I just came back from sky again so I'm really worried because I might get reported for doing nothing. Thank you for the clarification!

[final lance]

@untold shuttle try check on google playstore

[fluid quail]

been tested it works, even if cutscene accrued u get marked as afk as long as u don't touch screen for 2-5m

[frosty ravine]

yes it affects

[vital sentinel]

Sooo assembly qg is steve minecraft

[spice mason]

People don't like being accused of being Leeches. Especially if that's just not true. People have a right to be mad at you for calling them as such, Azu. Not.. that rash behaviour is correct. But. Still. You weren't exactly the nicest about it either.

[agile geode]

Got it, thanks.

[steady pond]

basically we dont see the bad stuff because mods are doing their job like they should. but it does exist 😔

[sleek pelican]

Apparently they're considered as non-seasonal stuffs and might still be available after the season ends

[raw orbit]

I have a question about the bagpacks... So will there be the possibility to pack more than one item in them? (Far far in the future) Because I love all the new items, but they seem so useless if you can't bring them all, or at least a few of them.

[heady violet]

I think that Removing wax from the blossom tree is useless, since in live the blossom tree barely drops wax... and I also don’t like this afk system, because I gladly help friends who are busy (on the other hand, I don’t like to play if dragged by someone, because I play to relax, not to just watch someone else play) ... so I put “other” , but I actually think that none of the two options should be there .. the blossom tree will go away anyway.. so why put this afk system for an event that will finish in a few weeks ?

[desert mango]

It’s a nice sentiment and all , but your happy cause you just got a picture of something you didn’t have to do

[nocturne dew]

All I know is if this feature is pushed into live I’m deleting Sky and never looking back. I have purchased EVERY IAP, and every pass plus gift passes EVERY season since Gratitude. Journey is what made me try Sky. I have loved TGC but a change like this completely kills the supposed “altruistic” nature of Sky and it will be my final straw.

[pallid badger]

Lots of heightened emotions in here today. Opinions are good, debate is good, criticism is good as long as we remain civil and respectful.

[wheat heath]

Ok, something I thing I’ll bring Up in #beta-feedback later I feel a lot of these heated discUssions come from the fact no one really tells Us anything aboUt big things that are being Update. I woUld have loves to get a time and rUn throUgh of how exactly the featUre will work and what it shoUld affect and not affect so then we can test oUt and see how that works for Us. These heat debates have been caUsed by hUge misUnderstandings and I feel the devs shoUld be more Upfront aboUt what these hUge new featUres do becaUse these discUssions feel they are going bo where

[silent lily]

Well then I'm sorry to the people who have to be afk. I guess i wasn't active enough to consciously notice them before they got deleted

[analog pumice]

Currently can't access beta, has anyone checked if keeping the keyboard open while afk makes it count as afk or not?

[shadow stream]

OMG sometimes I do this too! 🤣 Especially when you're in an area that is picture perfect (ex. hermit valley). 😌 And then when my friend who's afk suddenly comes back and asks "what the heck are you doing?" 🤣

[little hound]

Can TGC just implement the idle system on the Tree and not the candle runs? this argument would’ve been over hours ago lol

[fervent loom]

I willingly cr my friends, while they are afk, because I know they are eating, or studying or doing anything else. They come back to help with doors or random splits. It’s the least exploitive thing ever imo, especially when I happily cr realm to realm with no issues carrying them.

[limpid pumice]

Don't blame You with all the nerfs.

[rain delta]

I feel like you just feel guilty about wasting your time and playing the game instead of doing something productive... maybe.. or not.. sorry just trying to understand why some people have this mindset

[hidden quarry]

ehhh, i really dont know how to feel about this update. wouldn’t it just be ok to limit it to home space? theres a lot of great stuff that comes out of friends being able to drag you with you not having to interact much. what about people that dont have time to play and consent to exchanges like this? i gotta think some more...

[willow fog]

Oh my god I just woke up, I guess the new afk feature isn’t taken very well

[lament belfry]

sky is my biggest comfort and this is making me really sad, please don't punish afk people because some of them could be doing something important and i don't see in any way how can this damage the game. maybe instead of punishing genuine players, start punishing actual hackers that do exploit the game?

[compact yew]

side note, thanks a lot to the mods,, the amount of effort it must take modding this chat is insane

[spark lance]

So a friend from in here and i tested 5 times about. She is android i am ios. She got afk mode after 3.5 mins about except once she left on chat and got to afk mode 2 mins later. I myself got afk mode after 6 mins first test and second was 5.22

[bright portal]

implementing the afk system just for idling while standing still would be useless because u dont even get benefit from standing still

[pallid badger]

And lets observe for a bit... give it a few days to settle and get tested out properly. It's easy to make a snap decision with brand new changes etc.

[pale junco]

Hey hey here's a reminder that this system is still in BETA. Please don't assume too many things about this system when it comes in live. This is still not implemented in live it may never will. All tgc has asked us is to test and give feedbacks. Everyone should take a break to test this more and provide feedbacks to #beta-feedback .

@wild musk don't use it in front of other.

[proud coral]

Hey guys what did I mi—

[haughty sleet]

its okay..... and ye... the games player base is not just children as everyone knows..... they have legit reasons sighs

[viral atlas]

Let's all give our genuine feedback, everyone's feedback counts, it's really important and can change everything

#beta-feedback

[heady violet]

@analog pumice see the answer here

[timid bough]

this feature is still in beta, given enough feedback it may not be pushed into live, like the TS being AP locked. We don't want people to start attacking each other just because of opinions. If you want to make a difference, submit it in #beta-feedback rather than attacking fellow members because of different ideals

Trying to argue here does nothing, it doesn't let anything reach to the devs and only raises tension between members causing stress to even those uninvolved

[rustic imp]

oh hey yea nastymold, this is a good time to take a break

[spark lance]

One thing I also know for sure, this new system will destroy Sky as I knew it almost 1 year ago if it gets implemented in live.

[pallid badger]

How afk is afk? like, with hand breaking and splits etc, you need to pay a little bit of attention to what is going on right? even if its just a glance at the screen now and again.

[untold shuttle]

I can't find the beta

[silent lily]

Also, while i don't really know how to feel about this new system.
I definitely think just putting a hard cap on the tree wax and not bringing this system might be better :SkyCozy:

@Merve#8702 and woah, that's a really short timer, i expected it to be at least 10 or 20 mins.

[tacit stone]

First, they increased the amount of likes , to 50, to get a heart from shrine, when these note makers spend a real 40 minutes a day to like each other's notes to get hearts to support each other.
Second, they implemented afk system, to punish friends who are willingly uber each other when the other friend is busy.
Why does all these acts of friendship and support in Sky that have to be made with true efforts without breaking rules or hacking, are considered exploit to TGC in 2021? That's sad tbh.

[cosmic orchid]

beta is

[gusty stratus]

still waiting to see if there's any new winglights spots for the new area 🌸

[steady pond]

reminder that TGC once had a terrible idea of letting you exchange ult gifts for candles, and that it eventually got dumped into the void because it was perceived as such a terrible idea by the community

[pallid badger]

a quick swipe on the screen to move the camera is enough to not be afk right?

[stark cloud]

You know what..can use spotlight at wall horizontally

[hidden quarry]

besides, sky itself is a more casual game too. afking or keeping the game open while doing something else is pretty common

[worn field]

this seems like a good time for a reminder that there's no need to argue or convince others of a certain point of view. if the discussion begins to feel stressful, that's a great time to take a step back, and return whenever you feel you can listen and chat calmly and comfortably
and remember, the future of these changes isn't going to be decided today! as we know, beta features are always subject to change

[spark lance]

So a friend from in here and i tested 5 times about. She is android i am ios. She got afk mode after 3.5 mins about except once she left on chat and got to afk mode 2 mins later. I myself got afk mode after 6 mins first test and second was 5.22 ... (repasting as its crazy in here) So if u go to the bathroom@do it real@fast (dont forget to wash your hands) lol... time to feedback now that ive tested

[daring trellis]

i have all my spirits complete, but the constellation is still at 99% is a bug?

[rustic imp]

if I go afk: tries swiping camera around
Skykid: flaps into space

[rain delta]

Wait seriously?? We need 50 likes now?? When was this even implemented? No wonder I haven’t been getting any hearts lol

[shadow stream]

I have a feeling this will not be implemented immediately because of the amount of division from the community. XD Well assuming they include the uber afk people that is...

[spice spoke]

ohhh! ima just pop in to point out the new friend constellation lookin good

[light mauve]

I feel like they should just extend the timer , cuz sometimes I get carried away with my homework while ubered. Maybe like, every 7 minutes or more? Maybe someone wen to the bathroom?

[bright portal]

dear tgc, improve your reporting system first before anything else

[normal sundial]

I want to ask if this is normal?
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[sacred sigil]

Something that i don’t like about this community that made me quit the server many times. You guys love to bandwagon on people... Kinda with a toxic positivity. Not referring to all ofc. I get the love and support for tgc, but guys is literally a company, a small one i get it, bur still a company... Sometimes they are wrong too.
And not even talk about the weird censorship that happens in this server. Sometimes people get overheated, but that doesn’t make there arguments faulty, just the way they presented them.

[little hound]

But IOS users, do you AFK? My batteries scream everytime, so I don’t do it unless I forgot to close the app and I come back 30 mins later with my kid being eaten by chibis and my device is searing hot.

[timid bough]

it does sadden me everything else in the update got drowned in this argument tho lol

[next moss]

Me who has no friends in beta 🥲
Solo run

[proud coral]

My friends and I usually switch who leads realm to realm and while I’m being carried im typically afk, but I usually will reposition my camera still while I’m working on other stuff honestly the change isn’t insanely bad to me. Due to the server splits and random wind attacks you still have to be semi there to watch your game even while you’re afk

[tropic radish]

/Let's not overdramaticize things. Remember to breath.
This is not an immediate change, this is still in it's testing phase

Imo, We're probably gonna need a longer time interval for the light, instead of deterring afk players from getting light. ( sent in feedback ). Here's my first impression. Watch it probably change in about 5-6 days

[analog pumice]

Still don't understand the 50 likes or the afk thing, it's almost like tgc is forcing us to play a certain way, no hard feelings but at least from what I've observed quite a lot of sky's base are students and many of them usually do need someone to drag them afk or semi afk, things can be changed for the better ig :/

[pale junco]

Yes, those are new free items from questgiver

[sudden flower]

omg the afk thing applies to ubering too, not just the bloom tree?

[desert mango]

This is true story .. I acquaintance of mine likes to fly and lead and when they are not they go afk the whole time and I spend 99 percent of the time honking them and trying to protect them from the rain - yes a very friendly thing for me to do .. but very hurtful tbh and it takes the enjoyment away When it feels it’s a one way street, this has happened countless amount of times with different people

[silent lily]

Yeah, this is bad for those who completely yeet their phone out of their vision for a long time.
Not for semi-afk people.
Complete afk playstyle is not even possible due to the consistent server splits and hand breaks

[spark lance]

When I play for more than 30 minutes, my device becomes...

[limpid crown]

... I'm sorry, I'm unaware but why I see lots of complaints?

[tacit stone]

Yes, except for the meditation quest, regular shrines and boats all require 50 likes now. And how fishy it is that they nvr announce it in any patch note when they released this to live.

[hidden quarry]

yeah, im honestly never completely afk. some engagement or encouragement with the person whos leading is effortless :D

[maiden minnow]

what's important is that we should all maintain an open mind. It's alright to have different opinions, as long as you hear everyone's out as well

[cosmic orchid]

assembly treehouse got so much cute stuffs and we got more cool props to mess around, it is sad

[limber pier]

Anyone found that candle pass thingy?

[solid dune]

Well I just had my skykid afk for so long that the idle animation went into the laying down position. Sadly I had no friends online to test hand holding, but I was able to still collect lights directly after standing up

[shadow stream]

Not gonna lie, I've been in and out of this server many times now because of this...

[normal sundial]

But I can’t see the price, I don’t know if there is any confusion @@
It feels like an official misplantation, because there are rumors that some of the above items are officially discarded designs...

[bright portal]

Okay what i didint play this game for like 3 months what is this tgc why so many likes

[lunar iris]

I cant buy the cape all my seasonal hearts was consumed. They added back the cape as ultimate gift.

[willow fog]

The devs are testing out a feature where you cannot collect light anymore after you didn’t touch the screen in a while.

[silent crater]

At this point I'm just watching the fire burn

[analog pumice]

I've been afk for more than 5 mins daily due to many contraints like school, parents, home work etc, and 2 mins- well being afk more than 2 mins is a pretty possible thing even for semi afk people. Idk what to think anymore sorry for the edit ping

[spice depot]

**question for those who actually tested out the system! ! !! **
how long did it take before you guys got timed out??

i got timed out after 4 minutes - android
my friend got after 5 and a half ish - ios
did anyone else get different results???

[rain delta]

Wait that doesn’t make any sense, if they’re afk but you’re holding their hand, they should still recharge, if not, I say drop them..

That’s what I tell all my ubers, if I’m afk and you loose my hand, go on ahead

[pallid badger]

me too

[silent lily]

I'd say discussions are sometimes very helpful, but when they're civil. I went from completely hating this to liking it to now not knowing how to feel about it.
I guess it'll take a few more days of actual playing and testing to completely understand and create a true opinion on it

[desert mango]

This afk update should bring life back to the game ...it’s definitely something that happens a lot ,more interactions is a win win

[frosty ravine]

but how come...if you bought the mask then 2 hearts for cape is enough

[timid bough]

i do get it when people band up in public channels to bring awareness to issues but when its still up to feedback (daily light/this anti afk feature) its simply unnecessary until the situation gets ignored for too long

[foggy atlas]

I’m ios
I got timed out at around 4 and a half mins

[untold shuttle]

Is 30 mins is enough to recommend to the devs about this afk thing?

[pale junco]

Lol yes, the item have no function right now they may or may not later. The tree is finalized for now. Also you haven't done the last quest yet to see the prices. You have to complete the quests to get those items. Even if they are useless props they are still optional to buy

[cosmic orchid]

I can't really do complete hands off afk cuz:

1. server splits
2. surprise windwalls
3. home warp after finishing a realm
4. daily light made me picky on which realm I wanna cr
5. krills and big plants

[shadow stream]

What? I'm on android, was literally afk for 10 mins and nothing happened???

[upper delta]

sadly i dont have any friends to test this out AFK thing going on, but if its ever happen in live. im already sick of oomf who always afk the whole time like every realm, i always love to lead.

[maiden minnow]

the response from this new afk feature REALLY gives me vibes from the response to the TS x AP feature. If history is gonna repeat, then this feature probably won't be added to live. HAHAHAHA

[spice depot]

whaaa that's so strange
I wonder what the conditions are for when you get timed out
sadly i ran out of places to go do testing for today x.x

[tacit stone]

No, this is not a win win. More interactions are good, but doesnt mean being semi afk or afk while letting our friends uber us or us ubering them is bad. Its playing the game in 2 different ways adapted to our own lifestyle. A constructive comment should be one that sees thing from both sides, not single sided opinion.

[fervent loom]

Cant even have a proper bathroom break before getting timed out

[little hound]

Hey. New items on the ult spirit Is that a butterfly jar?

[limpid crown]

Well, I'd rather choose Auto - Grab feature because if you have a friend who's afk, and they Accidentaly unhold you, you can just grab them and take them with you in Candle Running while afk.

[somber meadow]

Maybe fool is a harsh word but yeah I think people get mad cause they think they wasted their time when others didn’t have to.

I got an ap for dreams and I’ve paid for some IAPs . Can’t imagine getting mad if someone says they’re not paying money for a game, cause how does that affect me in any way? At the end of the day, Sky is not competitive in any way/ you can’t win at Sky, so it’s never that serious to make changes that affect afk players

[desert mango]

That’s you , I couldn’t do that to someone (let go of them and leave them to loose wings ) , now it won’t happen and conflict can’t occur ..if a update discourages poor behavior and encourages more positive then I’m gonna say yes to the dress 😂

[silent lily]

I feel like a timer of 15 or 10 mins would be better
@untold shuttle not really, I'm sure they'll observe the feedback for a few more days because it's actually then when this will settle down a bit and when we'll start to get how we actually think of it after playing the game for some time

@tacit stone again telling, this in no way affects semi afk players.
Only those who don't even look at their phones for prolonged periods of time.

[normal sundial]

Thanks for your reply...
By the way, does anyone have the price of each ancestral tree? Because I changed it before, I’m not sure if there is any adjustment now. Recently, the price is so messy qaq

[timid bough]

don't forget number 6 your friend accidentally letting go

[foggy atlas]

Ikr
I have some ios and Android friends who didn’t get timed out at all
It’s a bit wonky since it just got released but I’ll be testing it again later today

[pallid badger]

I don't think I have been fully afk more than one or twice. even if I'm busy and distracted, and a friend insists they want to pull me around, I'm brought back frequently with loud honks etc for one reason or another. I don't think you can be fully afk for long in an efficient CR.

[sudden flower]

oof no, my friends are kind enough to uber a semi afk me when I'm busy with work and i try to return the favor by letting them afk when I can uber,, it's only because of them that i still play sky sometimes. i think this would encourage cheating more than anything else

[narrow silo]

I agree, not saying people who go completely AFK during CRs are bad, but I never risk myself to go completely afk because I'm too scared if one of these things happen and upset the uber

[pale junco]

You can search around in #beta-screenshots-videos but i don't think anyone would have a price tree this late in game.

[hasty vessel]

The game is constructed around socialising with your friends? AFK cr completely miss the point?

[wheat heath]

I LOVE THE IDEA bUt i think the problem woUld be yoU friends randomly grabbing yoU which coUld get annoying, maybe make it a featUre yoU can toggle on or off with friends. Maybe it is also a friend level thing

[nocturne dew]

For once I would love if TGC addressed a problem like the tree light farming with fixing the NEW thing instead of nerfing a core feature of the game I’m literally so frickin mad I can’t even sleep.

[tropic radish]

The afk thing shouldnt affect afk players when getting ubered. I'll put that on my notes ( then send to feedback )

The new tree system, however, seems like a good thing to save phones. Deter people from leaving the game on
Also how does your even survive that long-
My android dies when I leave sky (afk) on for around 30 mins 👀

[minor falcon]

if we're going to have other "passive" sources of wax like the tree I think timing out afk people after 30 some minutes is completely fine, otherwise that's all people would do - this wouldn't have an impact on cr passengers either as you can't really be afk that long on a run

[rain delta]

I agree with this.. sometimes it’s the toxic support for anything that is put out by TGC, I love the company for a lot of reasons, but I do feel like this censorship is slowly creeping into the game as well
I didn’t know about the heart thing, but I bet it was to thwart groups of 10 players going around liking each other’s shrine notes to get hearts..
It’s a very weird thing to enforce
Someone said early that it’s almost like tgc wants you to play the game in a certain way, and I feel like the current set of actions are leaning towards that :(
And there’s a lot of players who will blindly support these changes..

[cosmic orchid]

they might localize it to homespace since its really bad for other people and their phones to be left afk under the tree,

[light mauve]

Sometimes my mom would call me to buy soemthing in the middle of a full cr, and it’ll take like 30 minutes. When people sleep it’s more like 7 hours or something so maybe a 45 minute timer?

[bright portal]

Is it even possible to fully afk in cr ? 5 mins is actually not that short, you glance over ur screen every once in a while anyways.

Or if you are really worry , maybe ask tgc to add vibrations as warning after afk mode starts

[steady pond]

the only hands-off AFK realm you can run is valley, but the rest really do only allow for semi-AFKs. even if you don't burn anything, there's still doors you have to help people open etc

[tacit stone]

But people wouldnt even need to semi afk if the timer is only 2-5 mins. My issue is the timer is too short. Needing to constantly look at the phone for at least once every 5 min is almost identical to staying in the game with full focus. A timer of 15 mins might be better.

[blazing sail]

Omg did they just kill ubering?

[rustic imp]

It's still to early to say AppUnwrapper

[analog pumice]

speaking from the perspective from a very heavily afk leech, that goes almost daily for runs, 2 mins is a really short span of time to be inactive- and my crs are pretty efficient, server issues/wind walls etc do exist yes, but personally the Uber I take is pretty cautious of not getting me trapped in any human error that may make us lose hands

[little hound]

This is really simple. Just implement the idle system on the tree and not during candle runs. Most would be happy with this decision. I wrote this on feedback already.

[sacred sigil]

I don’t really understand the issue with afk players, if you dislike people who goes afk, just say no. You are not coming with us, because you go afk. Is just the more mature and healthy thing to do. in my opinion

[pallid badger]

That's upsetting to see that people don't feel they can criticise. You should. Don't like it, say so! I'll happily complain if I don't like something. BUT all we ask is that it's civil.

[vapid briar]

Please remember that we are specifically asking for testing t ensure things are working correctly. The duration of the time is completely subject to change.

[silent lily]

I'm okay with semi-afk playstyle. Because yes, sometimes, you're kind of busy but you do need candles. I don't go against this. But those type of players still pay some attention to what's happening just so they don't split with their friend. And if they keep doing that, this thing is not going to hinder their ability to collect light
Now talking about fully afk playstyle. This one is really where the system is on. This type of playing is very hard imo, because ofc you do need to look at your phone constantly to check if you're still with the friend, which turns it into semi-afk play.

[spark lance]

Sorry for the chaos here. Some of us don't like the new system being implemented in Beta right now

[vapid briar]

Constructive feedback can absolutely be negative.

[desert mango]

The afk thing gives a feeling of equality and that we all here together - and I like that a lot tbh ..power to the people 👊

[bright portal]

Well, the afk system didint work for me in homespace, so ill report this in a while after i finish my lab

[hasty vessel]

I actually agree with this, players shouldn’t be able to sit on the backs of others and still reap the rewards when others spend their hard earned money to keep up with candles, its not fair...

[tacit stone]

I can understand why we r anxious about this despite it's in early stage. Many things in beta pushed through and we didnt always have the chance to change it when its almost mature because being quiet sometimes is taken as agreement.

[light mauve]

But they don’t mind it yknow? It’s nice to know people are able to help other players out. Plus, I don’t even get to do my homework if I play sky, so I rely on ubers

[opaque swan]

All the feedback aside but, the tree house has a SWING!!? IT'S GIANT

[sage dome]

but nobody is forcing you to spend your own money on this game either

[pale junco]

I wonder if cutscenes have changed because there are new lights and props in the tree house

[vast edge]

Okay I tested the afk system with my friend. Theyre IOS and im android. I made them uber me around prairie. we started 5:04pm GMT+8 and I was afk without touching my phone. It was going well until we got to sanctuary and stopped getting wax around 7 mins in 5:11pm.

So yeah.....afk during candle runs will stop you from getting wax. I'll put my feedback on beta feedback channel now.

[blazing sail]

This happens to me so often that I rarely come here to criticize anymore.

[nocturne dew]

Why not?? We carry those players on our backs willingly and with love and it’s exactly none of anyone else’s business if we choose to uber our friends around while they do chores or feed pets or tend to children or homework.

[spark lance]

For most its mutual. My friend does one, i do one. At the end we sit and chat somewhere while@not cr. I had to go downstairs to grab my son chocolate three floors down and back to his room. He is in online class.... being away for 5 mins makes u afk. So we had to restart the test. But 5 mins is too short. I hope if they bring this to live they make it at least 12-15 mins. And im sad this afk thing drowned out an otherwise well made update.

[analog pumice]

Also one person reported a certain time for people that leave their keyboard open, could someone possibly confirm if it is flagged 'afk' or not
Thanks Luke!

[pure path]

Am on it right now

[compact jetty]

I'm proud of myself when i ubering bunch of afking friends because it means I'm mastering in ubering and also help my friends irl

[foggy atlas]

Again... people have the OPTION to drag others
It shouldn’t feel like an obligation to do so

[sacred sigil]

i have seen it too much. And experienced it.

[bright portal]

Okay ngl, one thing im happy of with this system is that i dont have to get afk people on 8 player puzzle

[tacit stone]

I don know what i feel about Sky that now it has so many minor rules to follow compared to how freely we r able to enjoy the game in our own ways in the past.

[spark lance]

is typing for hours at home to get wax from the tree

[hasty vessel]

I’m talking about the players that dont contrubute at all to a cr just get dragged around without making any conversation or adding to the experience, that is detrimental to the social structure of this game, again if i spend my time farming for candle or spending real money for them why should someone who doesn’t add anything to the experience of the cr just sits and does nothing the entire time reap the same rewards? Makes no sense IMO

[timid bough]

i am proud to say i never met afk people at the 8 player door

[sudden flower]

i feel like people are just gonna start using cheats if they add this lol

some other games also have anti-afk stuff, but people get around it by using other programs

[rain delta]

The core aspect of this game is altruism - which by it’s definition means sacrifice without requesting for anything in return..
Helping someone else with their candle run is a core part of that altruism too, now the afk system makes it an equal exchange.. I don’t understand what parts of the game are actually altruistic anymore
No one gifts hearts freely without expecting one in return either or lighting friend constellations without expecting to be lit back
These implicit expectations ruin the altruism of the game

[tropic radish]

Remember to be civil !
I'll be back after I test this new system out www

[untold shuttle]

I managed to merge with one a couple of months ago, then he/she stood up when the floor was lifting

[simple bobcat]

You're not forced to tho. I uber my friend à lot and she's often afk, I don't mind it at all, we like to chill together after cring a bit

[light mauve]

people post “doing a candle run!! Anyone wanna come” it’s voluntary, and I Uber in my free time. I wanna take the weight off that person. I know what you mean about that, but there’s reasons for going afk. I go afk to do homework, but some people go afk to do random stuff that doesn’t need to be done. So that’s why it’s all weorddd

[cosmic orchid]

I didn't, there were 2 of em too that time, twas pain

[fluid quail]

do y'all remember when ktjn said the next update holds a lot... ye

[silent crater]

Someone asked what the cooldown was over here so I'm sending this message to see, don't mind it.

[nocturne dew]

It’s only detrimental to the players who think it’s detrimental. Again it has exactly nothing to do with how YOU choose to play. If you don’t want to Uber afk friends that’s your choice. I DO WANT to Uber my AFK friends and I should be free to choose to do so. TGC should just tell us all exactly how they want us to play this game since they keep destroying core features for the sake of fixing problems that could be addressed in literally any other way.

[steady pond]

if someone is causing you trouble by being AFK when you uber just dont uber them at all 😔

[shadow stream]

People do this TO HELP without asking anything in return. Compassion, empathy, altruism, is what drives people to help. You help because you want to, without asking anything in return. That's generosity. Isn't that what the game teaches us?

[bright portal]

If the afk timeout is 10 minutes, will yall that are against this be happier

[opaque swan]

I think I should bring this up, not everyone talks during a cr, I'm not a very social person when I lead or get lead by others, to be honest my friends don't mind even though I apologise constantly

[spark lance]

some of my friends are afk when cr because if they look at the screen to much they feel sick i dont know if this will upset them

[foggy atlas]

People seem to forget you can just let go of others’ hands LOL

[timid bough]

ktjn did say hold a lot but i didn't know she meant hold a lot of controversy 🥲

[mental ridge]

It’s sad to see some people expect everybody to play the same way they do. There are (or, should be) many different ways to enjoy the game, and all of them are equally valid as long as they don’t break ToS.

[blazing sail]

So don’t bring them along? But if friends want to help out friends they should be able to.

[quick harbor]

Ubering Isle? Leave them in the sand.
Ubering prairie? Leave them in the clouds.
Ubering Forest? Leave them in the rain.
Ubering Valley? Leave them at the race gate.
Ubering wasteland? Drop them into a krill.
Ubering Vault? Leave them in the void. :pFIRE:

It's all a joke but still, just leave the person behind if they afk, it's not your fault and you're not getting paid either

Funfact, you can drop people while flying by sitting down.

[light mauve]

Exactly! This is why people put “don’t be afk” in their candle runs 😔

I feel I really feel, that maybe this system could just be implemented in home space? There’s not really all that much wax to collect there and candle runners won’t be weighed down by it. I don’t know.

The whole thing about this entire update is for the tree lmao

[rain delta]

I feel like this afk system should it ever go live, will be the first explicit expectation and will further degrade altruism in this game

[austere echo]

Oh no! I sometimes hang out in Prairie and just sit and afk.

[sudden flower]

i have friends who get dizzy if they look at the screen while being led too;; also I have a friend in my Sky group who full ubers us on our birthdays as a gift, like an act of service just to help out... it'd be sad to see that kind of thing gone when Sky is about altruism in the first place

[tardy dune]

Wait so, the afk detect has affected the skykid's who were afk during cr? Like while being dragged? 👀

Oh daaaamnnn

[analog pumice]

I gift hearts without any hesitation to random people if I'm rich one day, I don't really trade in the game so if anyone comes to ask for a heart trade I just gift them and it makes me happy, BUT it's sad majority of friends coming over only for heart trades and not sticking around to hang out even after I gift them a heart. The only act of kindness that I see on a daily basis is my bestie dragging me on crs semi or heavily afk, while I'm preparing for my exams, and if there's a slight issue like splitting hands and making her wait more than 2 mins. I'm a pretty apologetic person so I always say sorry and she uses playfight on me to remind me to not be sorry of things I can't control. Obviously it's just the perspective of one players out of the whole base but, this might affect me quite a bit

[bright portal]

Ngl, The same afk person is probably gonna show up at #looking-for-group-live and start accusing the uber guy of "scamming" their uber and "lying" to them. I know cuz i witnessed it before

[steady pond]

if you are an uber and you're telling people you don't want them to AFK, and they do - thats on them for not following your rules
but if you just wanna help people? then who cares - the AFKing is harming no one when the uber is notified of it beforehand lol

[long barn]

I have a lot of friends who rely on AFK bc they cannot play during day time and they often late at night so they cannot have enough consciousness to go on running. Plus if I have someone dragging me I dont like to disturb them sometimes so we can have a faster run. There is a lot of reason for afk-ing.

[pale junco]

Me who mostly does the cr alone: sits in the corner and watches the chaos

[opaque swan]

I get motion sick sometimes when I play the game so I have to step away sometimes during a cr it gives me a really bad headache and I'm really sad that this system has been implemented becuse it feels like I'm being rushed to come back before I get punished for something I can't control

[tacit stone]

Exactly. First, they increased the like needed for a heart to 50. Spending real efforts to help each other on shrines is exploiting? When you don break any rules, and you actually spend real time and focus, to find every friend's notes, no hack. What's so bad about giving each other a heart as bonus when they show this act of altruism? And now ubering and being uber is getting punished too even if both of you have mutual consent to help each other. Many friendships are formed in group shrines and uber groups. What saddens me the most is it seems they care more about how skykids behave in their game now rather than the impact it makes in real life. Does altruism still have any value in Sky?

[willow fog]

I think your argument about altruism getting lost is a really good one and you should totally put it in the feedback channel

[spark lance]

If that happens, I'd rather stay in beta rather than watching the system take place in live. I have 2 friends who drags me in candle runs when I afk

[sacred sigil]

As long they don’t let go of my hand i am fine, i can go back and get the wax if they need to go afk for a time

[wheat heath]

Remember the only thing this affects is yoUr ability to get wax. It honestly doesn’t eliminate the fact there will be afk people bUt hopefUlly it will jUst happen less or they’ll come back qUicker.

[solid dune]

Exactly! You have the full and complete option to let go of someone’s hand with the built in game feature to do so! They can’t blame the afk player 100% when they themselves did nothing about it.

[spark lance]

Same sometimes i just sit in forest to listen to the rain and sleep at oob i hope we are still allowed to be afk

[tropic radish]

If it ever reaches live, we're gonna need a longer cap

Ex: 2-3 hours of afk should prevent light collection. It does not effect ubering, but it will prevent people from just afking near the tree

[distant imp]

Heyyyy does anyone know if props all looking like bags is their final designs or it looks like bags because the design is still under construction 🤔 thankxx

[zenith wasp]

I think it’s final

[quick harbor]

Damn, are ubers gonna need to start recording their routes?!? Thats scummy as hell, feel bad for the people that did get accused of that...
It's not even scamming, because the person paid NOTHING, they're not entitled, they're doing you a favour by dragging you along, if you afk, it's not their fault and you're the one loosing

[hasty vessel]

I dont really understand any of your points? Especially now that with the new forging system you can get a lot more candles within the space of 30 minutes? If the forging system wasn’t implemented i would understand your points but tgc has made it EASIER for players with time constraints to earn candles... what’s the problem?

[light mauve]

Oh my god yess! I agree with this quite a bit. Though maybe down to an hour? You could just give ur camera little swipe every hour then

[fluid quail]

I actually thought sky is an afk game at some point, idk why this is addressed as not just now.

[steady pond]

you can drop people while flying by swiping left and right really fast in the air you should do it its Really fun lol

[hollow bolt]

I like that people will have to be more active participants while logged onto the game. It doesn’t make sense while they’re logged on if they don’t interact with live players 🤔

[timid bough]

to be fair if you look at things objectively nothing truly is altruism
eden isn't altruism because you get a certain amount of ascended candles for each statue

[long barn]

Then they can seize the amount of wax we can get from tree everyday tho. Instead of the afk system.

[blazing sail]

The problem is they’re still adding events constantly that drain everyone’s candles stores in an instant.

[haughty sleet]

finally someone addressing the elephant..... i respect you

[tardy dune]

Because some people at times have some other work to attend to or probably doing assignments or something. Being afk for 10 min shouldn't be punished is what is trying to be conveyed I think

[soft loom]

not everyone wants to be social all of the time

[fervent loom]

I’ve never felt like my experience became “detrimental” when I was ubering someone completely silent. It’s fun either way. It is unfair to say that silent players or anyone “doesn’t add anything to the experience” when all play styles are optional. If you want to buy candles? Go ahead. If you want to Uber others? Go ahead. If you want to be ubered? Go ahead. If you want to solo cr? You can do that too. All are options.

[rain delta]

How many of the times when you gifted a heart have you received a heart in return? I feel most players, including me, feel guilty not returning a heart
You might say it’s weird that they only come over for hearts and nothing more, but i also want to ask, have you ever considered what time it was in their timezone? Maybe they’re rushing to finish up a cr cause they need to go to sleep?
Or maybe you and that person really haven’t talked to each other much at all and for that reason you’re not on their priority list. As much as this hurts, that’s just nature of friendships
Gifting a heart shouldn’t have an implicitly expectation of a return of any kind - that is altruism. Just because you gifted a heart to that friend, doesn’t’ mean they need to spend any time with you. Expecting something in return, removes from the intention of altruism to begin with

[distant imp]

daamn i hope is not final I would of love to see the jar on my back like a giant item i carry Like Mr Prairie elder🥺

[quick harbor]

Oh damn, do you have a video of that? I have difficulty understanding instructions so I might do it wrong. Is it working in Live aswell?

[spice mason]

Some people are introverted. Or. Have things such as anxiety. They shouldn't be forced to be social if they're not up for it.

[sudden flower]

30 min each day for a game is still quite a bit ngl. and i think this change is just unnecessary and will do more harm than good since it forces us to play a certain way rather than choose. personally, i like helping out busy friends or letting friends help me when I'm busy. it's still a mutual friendship, if not then u just shouldn't uber that person anymore

[bright portal]

Money ofc, which company doesnt want to increase profits

[light mauve]

They can just give a simple camera swipe, that resets the timer lmao they don’t have to type

Honestly I jus think either make the whole thing placed into homespace or just extend the timer lmaoo

[tropic radish]

That could be nice too
We need to find the average timespan for afking during a single run for this to work properly though
Like, 2-3 hours of afk sounds ungodly for afking during a cr
But 1 hours feels a bit too short www

I've seen players who don't like and aren't uncomfortable with socializing in game. Even some are limited and not even allowed to interact with other players. It maybe a minority, but they exist and they matter #^^

[opaque swan]

Exactly! I know sky is a social game but I struggle to talk to people sometimes when my social battery had been drained from a day at school for example, I get burnt out easily

[nocturne dew]

Altruism in Sky started dying the moment they nerfed radar honk. This is the hill I will die on for all of eternity. Taking away radar honk took away the larger sense of community spirit in Sky. It allowed for players to ignore the plaintive cries for help from moths or other players. It was the beginning of the end of altruism in this game allegedly about altruism. Doesn’t feel very altruistic at all anymore. After a year of playing it’s not even enchanting anymore.

[steady pond]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/575818672476782634/798233997293518858
lol

[shadow stream]

Oh god THIS. I love you for mentioning this.

[pulsar blade]

How much is the barrel

[tacit stone]

Old system: 150 wax = 1 candle

New system:
3 chevrons: 90 wax = 1 candle
2 chevrons: 140 wax = 1 candle
1 chevron: 240 wax = 1 candle

Which means, in old system, making 15 candles needs 450 wax
In new system, making 15 candles actually needs 470 wax

How is that an improvement? People sees that they get first 5 candles quick is an advantage, but what can 5 candles help you survive with the cost of items in Sky?

[hollow bolt]

You don’t have to speak. This is a mobile game with live players. What else is to be expected? 😅

[vast edge]

More testing:

We went to forest this time. Again my friend ubering while i remained afk and not touching the screen. I didn't get wax after 3 mins. I tapped my screen and got wax, after 2 mins i didn't get wax again. Will be sending more feedback to the channel . 2 mins of being afk and not getting wax? imagine all that wax you missed and have to go back for it this is not very fun

[sleek pelican]

Is anyone else annoyed at how there are blessings at the very top of main branch of 3 seasonal spirits?
I submitted a feedback already

[soft loom]

yeah i get that! i personally always keep an eye on my screen when i go AFK just in case there’s a door to be opened or something. i just meant it in response to “it doesn’t make sense to be logged on if you’re not going to interact”, some people love the game but don’t always have the energy to be social

[desert mango]

I feel anything tgc does is for the good of the people therefore I support their decisions - To bring people together more and combat the bad behaviours ie:those who don’t actually play the game but still reep the rewards of others hard work , being asked to move the camera isn’t much and I feel it entices people to interact more and sometimes sky can feel lonely and if this afk thing can combat just a little of this then it’s all good , also those who have alternate accounts will have a tough time I’m sure which makes me feel better when those are exploiting the game to give themselves hearts won’t be-able to as easily ..

[haughty sleet]

if... you are rich in the game you would gift hearts randomly ye....... its funny how the game doesn't really let you get rich unless you do the grind... even with the chevron system

[distant imp]

Honestly I don't get why is it even a heated debate, people should play sky the way the want to and how it makes them the most happy. Damn why are u guys so heat up about other people minding their business in a virtual game 😰

[quick harbor]

Almost spit my cereal out when the skykid went yeet
Thx a lot, gonna try it with my friend wheeze

[vivid shore]

I really like the new AFK system. If you have other things that require your attention or interest, for example, the other world requires you to take care of your baby, or you simply want to eat, or netflix, or draw or womething.. then go do that. Don't try to be greedy and do the things you want while other players do all the hard work

[bright portal]

If old system 150 wax = 1 candle

Doesnt mean that 15 candles require 2250 wax or am i stupid

[analog pumice]

Chevron system wasn't really an upgrade maybe for the first 5 or at a stretch 10 candles

[light mauve]

I stay silent during crs because it’s a bit awkward haha, so maybe like 1hour 30 mins?

And to respond to @soft loom (the timer is super long) yesss now I get you haha, I agreee

[blazing sail]

The whole point of the new system is to encourage people to have a life outside the game.
The exact opposite of what requiring people to be present all the time would do.

[hollow compass]

I feel that some players are using the game as a free therapy session, which in some ways I can understand and respect. But in the longterm it is always best to seek professional help in real life. Sky should not be a replacement for human interaction or even your permanent safe space.

[wheat heath]

I think decreasing the time is a little mean so yeah I’ll probably be pUtting some feedback later aboUt that. Also when yoU retUrn from being afk, how qUickly were yoU able to get wax back? Definitely inclUde that in feedback as they wanted the specifically too :0 thank yoU for testing this thoU

[fluid quail]

actually.. u can also click the sit emote from menu while flying and you'll drop everyone your holding

[rain delta]

I remember the honks and the follows, sad that grieving existed, but removing both elements really dampened some things. For one, the follows were so helpful when I had barely 4 wings, didn’t know how to fly properly as a moth and had to reach high places for winged light.

[timid bough]

altruism doesn't start with radar honk, it starts with the players itself
given that some people even ignore me when i need help at the 4 player doors in vault

[pulsar blade]

How much barrel cost. For those who unlock it already

[silent lily]

Barrel?

[vast edge]

You get wax back immediately even with just one tap of the screen.

[sudden flower]

you'd have to remember to do it every few minutes though, which is pretty annoying when you're multitasking. and those with alternate accounts are too small a population to be a real issue, plus i don't think it's worth "punishing" them with something that hurts the rest of us too.

[tropic radish]

I am looking at both sides
And my opinion seems to be walking on a grey line now
I'll just hope this doesn't come to live, simply because it has a major effect ;;

[somber meadow]

I offer ubers sometimes and I don’t mind if the person wants to chat, but honestly I like the silence too. I don’t always feel like chatting + it can be a little bit annoying if I’m pausing every minute to reply to a chat.

The only reason I request that people don’t be afk when I Uber is because of server splits. I don’t have the time to wait for someone afk to notice that they got split from me. I think tgc should put more focus on bugs, not adding new features that help no one.

[foggy atlas]

Oh yeah, I remember being ignored at doors several times as a moth and even a few times as a more experienced player
thank goodness for chibi and table

[quick harbor]

#beta-discussion message

[spice mason]

I never once encountered a griefer while the radar honk was still there. It's.. another case of bad eggs ruining things for everyone else.

[shadow stream]

I have a feeling when this goes to live, people will be talking negatively about this. Just like what we're doing right now, people will be divided.

[soft loom]

yeah but you said it doesn’t make sense to play unless you socialize, people play the game for all sorts of reasons. the graphics and scenery are pretty, the background noises are relaxing, it’s a comfort game, etc. not everyone wants to have multiple conversations every day with other players. you shouldn’t say it doesn’t make sense, people play for different reasons and play differently than others. we should respect that, not belittle it.

[sacred sigil]

forbidden words 0-0 don’t bring there attention to this hsushdudhurhdycishdyd

[spark lance]

Maybe it doesnt make sense to everyone but everyone plays sky differently why are we being told how we can play if it doesnt upset anyone if our friends are ok with us being afk and i lead my friends when they want to sleep but need candles for a ts and sometimes u are to tired to lead but u want candles or want to take turns cr and theres not much to do when cr when your friend is leading so it will just be honking and why would they let us cr like this for years and now not let us

[blazing sail]

It used to. There was a huge sense of relief when I first finished all my spirit trees because it meant I no longer needed to worry about candles and could just use them on friends.

[vivid shore]

they don't necessarily have to chat. they can interact by helping to light candles, helping to open doors, auto-attaching, deep calling when there's crabs, etc - there's so many ways for them to let the game know they're not AFK, and it helps the dirver too, to have cooperative passengers

[bright portal]

Sub accounts arent even allowed to begin with, its against tos to multiaccount

[hasty vessel]

Okay so can someone please explain what differentiates a player who sleeps under the blossom tree all night to earn candles and someone who is dragged around the maps to earn candles? Same energy no?

[spice depot]

Guyssss it's already been said that the time of afk is subject to change - for all we know the afk time out will be finalized to have enough time to do a cr in a realm and then there's nothing to really be upset about
They only asked for us to test if it's possible to get light again after being afk
Could you imagine how annoying it'd be to test that if you had to wait half an hour each time
The less than five minutes thing is likely just for betas to test if it works smoothly

[analog pumice]

Alt accounts used for personal benefits have been against ToS for long-

[tacit stone]

okay let me explain this in a more accurate way.

Old system: 150 wax = 1 candle, 15 candles = 2250 wax

New system:
3 chevrons: 90 wax = 1 candle, 5 candles = 450 wax
2 chevrons: 140 wax = 1 candles, 5 candles = 700 wax
1 chevrons: 240 wax = 1 candle, 5 candles = 1200 wax

New system: 15 candles = 2350 wax, 100 more wax needed than old system

If they make it harder for us even to get just 15 candles a day from Sky, how are we gonna cope with the TS and events?

[nocturne dew]

Agreed. TGC taking radar honk away took away so much of my happiness and sense of community in Sky. It made Sky feel cold and isolated where it was rich and warm and full before. I have not recovered this feeling in game. Even with my best friends. We have our own discord server and other games we play. And I’ll be grateful that Sky brought us together. But Sky is NOT what is keeping us together by a long shot.

[haughty sleet]

yes agreed..... facts be that we get max 10 (two worlds) candles really fast from new system...... but we were anyway getting 10 candle from two worlds i.e. daylight and forest...

[tropic radish]

Yes, so I will stand by my point.
"Yeah yeah don't be scared of change" but sometimes, maybe I should feel afraid.
I'm waiting for proper statement and just test the system out on beta for now

[timid bough]

i have a friend like that, extremely active passenger, honks every once in a while takes cares of crabs, burns plants, extremely active don't even know how she has so much energy, but not everyone is like that, some are just tired and can't focus

[spice mason]

I've had people criticise me. The uber . For not talking much before. ^^' it's. .. extremely degrading .

[shadow stream]

What if someone wanna use the bathroom when call of nature happens but they couldn't leave because that's the only time my friend is available? 🤣 I'm the one mostly ubering anyway

[sudden flower]

that's wacc, it's hard to talk while ubering and sometimes you wanna be efficient for their sake too...

[silent crater]

What's radar honk <:? I might've known this before but maybe I just didn't notice it-

[spark lance]

All in all. Good luck mods and admins. And good luck tgc with this mess of an afk system.

[steady pond]

when you honked you could see everyone and where they were, even without lighting them. and they could see you too

[silent lily]

Well, if the uber asks me to talk a little so that they know I'm there, i might as well do a little because it's already nice of them to be dragging me. But i can understand some scenarios where u just can't

[vivid shore]

Most players with 2nd and even 3rd accounts that I know only have subs to collect candles to gift themselves hearts though. This is especially rampant in beta, where a lot of players who have sub accounts are chasing to get capeless

ofc, this is only based on my personal encounter with those players

[hybrid venture]

Ok tbh, i rather that sky put a limit on the tree than afk. Why? Because sometimes when me and my sis play late at night bec of work, we sometimes let one person doze off while the other ubers in one realm. Then we switch. And that honestly made the game still worth playing.

[hollow bolt]

@soft loom What I mean to say is, the game has been advertised as a social game on Apple/Google.

TGC has already been upfront on what was to be expected if you ever downloaded the game 😔

[safe knoll]

Its actually
90
135
225

On Live right now. I can guarantee you this. And this adds up to exactly 2250 wax.

[blazing sail]

I can’t imagine that there’s anyone out there latching onto a friend and then going to sleep for the night. I doubt it can even work.

[hybrid dust]

How are people getting these new items? I see 3 new ones but nothing in my seasonal constellation and it's stuck on 92% completed

[bright portal]

Hence thats why theres an update today in beta about the daily light system , they did acknowledge the backlash they are getting and did some changes

[worldly flame]

Help!! How can I buy new cape, if I bought all seasonal hearts???

[sleek pelican]

Check the seasonal guide

[rain delta]

It’s like when you’re not hitting minimum wage and rent costs $4k

[tacit stone]

Finally. Good to know. @bright portal nice.

[light mauve]

Someone who is being ubered can help with plants and doors. Someone who is sleeping under a tree does absolutely nothing. A person who is being ubered has to click on their screen to keep the device from turning off.

[vast edge]

TB time: remember when we used to lose light when we bonk walls or solid objects or slide down the ice in valley? I miss it. I miss getting bald in valley. Also I think its funny that you lose light when you hit a wall(much like when red rocks in eden hits you). Idk it makes me go "oof" and its funny seeing my sky kid feel like they really got dizzy after the impact

[hasty vessel]

Remember we are referring to afk people who dont contribute, that argument is invalid imo

[spice mason]

Sometimes people are called away on short notice.

[outer relic]

hmm... i mean some people are busy, so they ask for groups to take them along

[spark lance]

so we cant play the game just because we dont want to talk every 5 minutes?

[silent crater]

So that's why when I honk because I need help not much people come over anymore...

That be a bruh moment

[steady pond]

the point is that you can just. not uber AFK people who dont contribute if you dont want to. no one's forcing you to drag an AFK player when you can simply open the friendship tree and unhold their hand

[silent lily]

||There are, surprisingly , i know some personally||

[timid bough]

pretty sure deep calling gives out a signal a spark

[soft loom]

yes it IS a social game but just because it’s a social game doesn’t mean everyone has to always be social 100% of the time, there are other aspects and other ways to play the game. i know plenty of people who play not so socially. and i don’t think anyone would want to force a random emote just to be able to have company, it should come naturally.

[foggy atlas]

Yeah... several of us got timed out before 5 mins

[haughty sleet]

yes exactly..... i have seen the game as it was before these new upgrades (friendship tree upgrade, meditation 50 likes, ts prices rise etc)........... for all the "altruism" people are talking about..... the rise in price of friendship tree is proof that the game is infact about getting candles...... before these upgrades i actually spent more on friendship trees than TS..... now i can barely afford to unlock highfive

[vivid shore]

you dont have to talk for hours if you dont feel like it. you can still let the game know you're not AFK by helping burn darkness, light candles, honk at crabs or to charge the driver, etc

[hybrid dust]

Ohh I didn't scroll up that far, interesting Thanks for pointing that out for me

[safe knoll]

I smiled when finally there’s someone in the chat mentioned about daily light changes

Hoping to get the results later today!

[cosmic orchid]

if we kept it, people today would've had sharper and robust flying skills, but then again, a lot of players won't last playing the game and would quit with rage lmao

[tender dew]

The new system also has a side effect to cause inconveniences to people playing with multiple devices... which I love.

[spice depot]

It's likely going to be longer than five minutes
They only asked to test if getting light again after being afk works or not
So for this testing period they made to five minutes so beta can test it easily but for live it could be much longer

[bright portal]

If they are basically gonna increase the value of hearts and candles, then please adjust the pricing of limited items like TS and event sprits then

[tacit stone]

It seems they care more about how we behave in the game instead of the value of altruism we show each other. I miss the Sky with more freedom and not punishing us like this.

[pale junco]

Remember to test things before forming an solid opinion. Things may work differently for everyone. It's best to test on your own instead of asking here

[sacred sigil]

This is definitely an unpopular opinion, but sometimes i wish i could hide my online status in sky .-.
Some days my anxiety is just out of the world and medication don’t work so well specially with the state that my life is in right now. And i just avoid people over all in those days, sometimes i think on playing sky to relax, but i get anxious of someone coming and talking with me while i am not good in the coconuts.
I mean it runs away completely out of the game ideals to have a not show that you are online to friends options, but would really be nice .-. ._.
I am kinds curious about the popular opinion about this

[stoic jasper]

Sad no more candle run while studying

[zenith wasp]

Hmm anybody knows what the jar does?

[vast edge]

People who afk during runs are actually helpful----they're youre charger/power bank while running. I cant count how many times im thankful of hand holding while running in waste where light sources are scarce.

[maiden minnow]

I wonder what has changed now since the daily light has been adjusted in the latest beta update

[hollow bolt]

No, I think that it’s okay not to talk! ☺️ The afk system is to make sure that you’re touching your screen and still being active within the game.

@soft loom I think all you have to do is touch your screen. You don’t have to chat, emote, or fly.

[solid dune]

And I can guarantee that is a very very small minority of the community to go through such troubles. But this update is basically treating it as the majority

[somber meadow]

If that’s your personal preference to have more interactive passengers, that’s fine. But other people don’t mind and that’s our preference as well. I like the feeling of helping out my friends or some strangers if they’re pressed for time. I don’t need/expect a passenger to light candles or honk at crabs all the time, and doors aren’t a problem if I wear chibi mask

[spark lance]

Regarding the new update, if I am working on my homework and I can’t look at the phone, it’s also no candlelight?

[silent crater]

I remember this- I remember sliding so hard down the slope in valley that I got bonked and lost all my light. I was a moff at the time, and someone with a valley elder hair lit me up and laughed (like, I'm assuming because I was being silly). Was a nice experience.

Also because of this I improved so much on my flying skills pff

[steady pond]

eden isnt, though? eden is talking about TGC, not you

[wooden raptor]

I understand some players prefer active passengers along. But you need to see that it’s ok for some players for them being inactive as well. This shouldn’t be a thing to force players into. If you don’t like having afk friends, simply talk with them and reason with them. This is not how you should interpret this change. It’s not okay to generalize this because of lack communication with your friends....

[silent lily]

You can just move your camera bro, it's not a necessity to chat to be considered "not afk"
It only affects you if you just do nothing and don't see what's happening in the game at all

[silk crown]

Can we talk about making sky colorblind friendly 😊XD and having less bugs especially text bugs and giving stroke friend constellation UwU

[vivid shore]

Why would you be on Sky if you have to concentrate on your school and do homework in the first place?

[soft loom]

let’s also remember that the game devs are humans too, trying to figure out how to mimic social concepts & selflessness into a little game with limited communication. it’s probably hard, humans are complex!

[tacit stone]

A friend here now tells me its exactly the same wax needed as before after the new update. So if youre a person who believes getting 15 candles is a min to survive in Sky, its not an improvement. Its a boost only if you only grind 5 candles a day.

[shadow stream]

Sometimes when I'm being ubered, I don't talk much because I feel it's awkward and sometimes I dunno what to talk about. I even think that I may be interfering with their concentration.

[nocturne dew]

Seems like it used to be a lot easier before they started killing features that people relied on for gameplay for months and months and months. 🤔

[rain delta]

Or the extended capes that cost 150 hearts, what an ideal world, where I can legally without trading hearts, convince 150 skykids to gift me a heart without expecting anything in return

[stone topaz]

*less than 15

[haughty sleet]

because we actually want to play sky but are stuck with a load of assignments.... not kidding ive only slept 2hrs for 2 days cause of my assignment load

[bright portal]

I fee like the maximum candles per TS item should cap to 50 and hearts would be 15-20 nothing more

As for the regular constellation, they are meant to be long term goals so i do not mind

[spark lance]

If they dont want us to be afk they should just take away hand holding joke

[safe knoll]

I'm working on it.

[spark lance]

Because my friend took me

[steady pond]

because TS has high prices and its the reason why people are running for candles to begin with - i mean.
im not saying that this is healthy behaviour at all lol but its definitely a contributing factor to why people are spending so much time grinding in the game instead of socializing. because the game itself kind of encourages this.

[placid linden]

The new tent is HUGE. Prophet of Fire shoud be able to stand up underneath it without any issue

[silent crater]

I play Sky as a stress reliever. Life is busy, and its the only thing that kept me sane throughout quarantine. It's the only time where I can actually hug and be with my (now ex) gf, without having to go out and risk getting infected

[maiden minnow]

wait so, do we get more candles or no-?

If in Daily Light 1.0, you need 100 more wax to get 15 candles.
In Daily Light 2.0, do you think we need more, or less wax. I don't need a concrete answer, just your opinion

[spark lance]

Just remove the wax from tree and don't talk about it anymore. Problem solved

[long barn]

Idk if someone like me, in the past, I like to afk and listen to music only .

[foggy atlas]

The new system only helps people collect 5-10 candles faster... that isn’t rlly enough considering how every TS and event completely drains your candles
Some TS also come back more expensive than their previous visit

[cosmic orchid]

I do believe those things are meant to be very late game, easy for people with nothing to spend their hearts on
but no one's stopping people aiming for that amount tho

[hybrid venture]

But the TS will always return, so you don't have to complete each of them when they come out. That's just unnecessary stress

[shadow stream]

On my case, it's an escape for stress. And I just want to have fun. I also have an irl job. And when I just want to rest my mind and unwind, I play Sky. Life is already hard as it is especially due to covid.

[vivid shore]

If TGC takes away that need for grinding... I don't think a lot of players will get to hang out as much anymore.

My duty at work changed, and now, I can only candle run 6 hours after reset. My friends no longer wish to hangout because they claim, they're done with CR.

If there is no more need for CR because TS has become so cheap, there won't be any reason for a lot of players to log in and play anymore

[silent lily]

Yeah, you can still do that,
Being afk will not close your game, it'll just take away your ability to collect light while being afk
Now how does light and music connect with each other?
You can still listen to music while being afk in the game

[stone topaz]

you definitely get first 10 candles faster than before. Live version is 88x5 135x5 225x5 375x5

Still haven't test out newest beta balance yet

[rain delta]

Late game is where I’m at and I’ll say I would have never completed the base constellations if I waited for people to gift me hearts lololol

[bright portal]

No hand holding , no piggy back

Heck no friends , lets play a single player game :pHypeKid:

@obeethethird#9137 issue is with more seasonal sprits added to the pool , the chances of getting the same spirit again is just too small

[tacit stone]

Last year in Sky, i felt like i was a child again. As long as we do nothing that breaks the rule or hacking, we are free to be creative and explore the game as we want. But now, it feels like we r being educated and schooled, that afk with ubers is now wrong, and forming a real life friendship group to get heart from shrines is considered exploiting. It all reminds me of the ways real life society trying to force me to do things their way. Sorry for the ping Zero, accidentally click

[steady pond]

unnecessary stress that TGC is creating by making TS's completely random and spaced out every 2 weeks.
i'm sure you know about crab call and how it hasn't come back for over a year already from how gen chat keeps complaining about it.

[haughty sleet]

guys can i just point out one last thing....... if tgc really wanted us to focus on friendship..... i dont think they would have made the changes to the tree ....... the change made me stop spending on the friendship tree cause i can barely afford TS XD.........welp ill probably get hit for saying this so ill leave now uwu

[nocturne dew]

It wasn’t like this before traveling spirits came out. 🙃 it wasn’t like this when radar honk was still a thing. And this is just going to be one more thing that ruins this game.

[foggy atlas]

With new seasons releasing constantly and TS accumulating... the probability of a TS returning get lower and lower and some of their prices get higher
There’s TS that haven’t returned in over a year and some that haven’t even shown up yet
You can’t blame people for wanting to get most of their cosmetics when they do visit instead of waiting god knows how long for it to come back

[blazing sail]

Unless you’re the type to still be doing full candle runs a year into the game, you don’t really get to that point anymore. There’s too many new things added that drain your candle and heart stores.

[hybrid venture]

But... Even if I'm a collector, I don't even stress myself on these things. I just play like how it is. Collecting is just part of the game i enjoy and it shouldn't be stressful

[opaque swan]

Even when I was a moth I was quick to realise that a lot of people do daily grinds for wax, as a moth I never understood the concept of saving candles but now I see why people are so outraged, I understand it completely but we need to work together to make things better for us and for everyone else

[spice mason]

Oh! Lemme share my Idea for Tses here.

So, uh. With more and more spirits piling up, i have an idea, because. well. it's slowly getting harder for people to get spirits they want, and,, people have to wait two weeks for Tses!

So, Here's my idea: Every two weeks, like right now , 3 travelers will be generated instead of one. And when the day comes, from the Travelling spirit dais, you will have access to the 'Travelling spirit constellation', where you can view each spirit that's available that week. , the moment you buy something from one of these spirits, though. Your chosen spirit descends upon the dais, and will be there for the duration of the travelling spirit period. Effectively locking you out of the others that were optional beforehand. You only get access to one spirit as normal, but, you get to choose from 3, instead of having to deal with one, and waiting another two weeks.

[rain delta]

I think that’s why they want to change the ts system so that items are AP locked... I’m not sure honestly, if I like this idea better than grinding
Most people would prefer grinding over the ts being AP locked,
But don’t have time for grinding so will go with ubers while being afk

Ahh geez, what a loop

[vivid shore]

Let's all take the time to remind ourselves that the players of Sky on discord is only a small percentage of the actual millions of players of Sky who don't have discord, instagram or any access to Sky's social media.

Not because you or your friends didn't like a TS, doesn't mean everybody else didn't too.

Thata does the same with id you or your friends liked a TS. Not everyone will.

We all have our favorite TS's.

The randomness of who visits create a sense of mystery and I look forward to it every Wednesday night. Ofc that's only my opinion

[hollow jackal]

oh hey, i just walked into the convo and I think thats a pretty neat idea

[bright portal]

Agree with this , kinda feels like Sky is trying to educate me what is right or wrong , I no longer feel a sense of freedom

I dont think they truly have ill intentions , its just sometimes the solutions they come up for problems... Just causes more problems

[sacred sigil]

the only Ts that has not came yet since the release of ts is the white rat fur cape dude from gratitude.
edit: his cape was for sale on the office for a while, so i think that is the reason why he is not coming so soon .-. . i think it was 25 bucks for the cape and mask
edit edit: but since now ts are iap locked he might come back

[karmic kestrel]

Idk but AP items with AP lock is still super expensive in my opnion. Like they can low the price down

[placid linden]

Hopefully the next one

[safe knoll]

• Make Traveling Spirits partially AP locked and their prices reduced

• Traveling Spirits should be AP locked from the very start.

[haughty sleet]

all we want is ts prices below 110 :D

instead we are getting everything we did not ask for :D

[shadow stream]

As I played and played...I did feel this way already... it's like slowly taking away your freedom

[cosmic orchid]

noooo, that would make lots of players sad

[foggy atlas]

Me too
I don’t feel free nor relaxed while playing sky anymore... I don’t want to quit playing but it’s truly painful to feel this way towards a game that had initially brought me so much joy

[steady pond]

i think this issues a little hard, because theres more than 1 factor and more than 1 perspective (for sure) to view it
CR is both a community building (see: the system of ubers) activity, and also a community breaking (the grind being tiring/full CR run is now extended to be as long as 2 ~ 3 hours if you want the same amount of candles you got before the DL system dropped) one. theres a lot to consider

also, regarding your TS reply, i agree with that point lols. i don't care about which TS arrives since i have most of them - i'm just pointing out how the current TS system is uh.. not good and really requires reforming right now with that stress thats being generated lol

[tacit stone]

But being a collector is as healthy as people who r not collecting items. And to consider collectors are often the ones going extra miles to get the items, whether its candle-priced or real money IAP, they should not be punished or disapproved in any way for the way they express love for Sky. Being casual is good, but being collector is equally great.

[spark lance]

The changes to the new area are beautiful, although has anyone asked why there are no candles or wing light in the area. And also with less than 2 weeks until it goes live why don’t most of the props have functionality?

[nocturne dew]

TGC has literally made all of these problems itself. While I love the concept of traveling spirits so everyone can get past cosmetics - introducing them made the game ALL about the grind for candles. Then they don’t want everyone to grind so hard so they introduce daily light. Which I thought was great until I learned (today!!!) that now it takes more time and candles when the chevrons go away. Base wax collection should be the SAME as before the chevron system. AP locking the TS is also a horrible idea because that alienates low income and young players from getting the items they couldn’t previously get because they couldn’t get an adventure pass. TGC is dropping the ball. Sky got too big for them and ran away before they could figure it all out and now they punish their player base for playing how they see fit.

[still ibex]

I think the ts with AP lock made this chat on fire last time i remember

[solid dune]

My play style is to do full runs everyday to have earned 19+ candles.
I know it’s a play style I don’t need to do by all means, but it’s also my choice to do so.
And with the pricing for TS and events they release, it’s a play style I have to do.
I also have many friends that benefit from this play style of mine that live busy lives with school and jobs and I am more than HAPPY to OFFER a hand to my friends.
This new candle system AND afk system are harming both of us as the daily candle limit has decreased and my friends are no longer able to focus on school work while I Uber.

I believed this game was accepting to all play styles but as of lately it’s becoming very clear that we are expected and forced to play by a certain play style.

[bright portal]

This will ONLY work and received decently well if they had implemented from the start , like i say the solutions TGC made couldve been more properly discussed

[vivid shore]

how is CR longer now?

Last time I checked, we still have 6 realms just like before.

[hollow bolt]

There are new candles cakes and locations around the place ^^

[rain delta]

In a nutshell... you captured these points so well

[spice mason]

I'd rather they incentivised buying an AP through TSes than complety lock F2P players out of certain items.

[tender dew]

Some of the new candles are located at remote locations.

Some are locked behind trials which take a lot of time to complete.

[karmic kestrel]

Not gonna lie, these days i lost my interested in candle run. Like completely. I feel like they want to control the way we play so it will have benefits for the company. I know they need money but they use this way, people gonna leave for sure. I don't even understand the purpose of wax and candles anymore when they put the new system on.

[opaque swan]

Once your chevrons have all gone it will take more effort to get the rest of the wax that you needed before the eusyem was implemented, the wax is tiny and requires more wax to forge a candle

[shadow stream]

This is why I start to personally not care for the TS anymore. And you said this very well.

[foggy atlas]

The TS system definitely requires several reforms, especially as more seasons and events get released

[steady pond]

before DL, you didnt have to run trials to get 18 candles though. now you do, and trials extend your runs by at least 10 ~ 15 minutes. not to mention all the new places they added candles to 😔

[timid bough]

they just did some balancing with daily light tho, still waiting results

[hybrid venture]

Oh i don't think collectors should be punished (coz i am one), but it shouldn't be a punishing experience. I mean, for example, I'm just chill if i can't get the guitar (I can't play it anyway haha). That's one more goal for next time

[tardy dune]

The way I've seen the chevron system work is it's just a make believe system? Like I feel more grinding is required to get the same amount of candles as before

did I make sense

[placid linden]

The new system is to allow you to get more candles in less time if you can't do a full candle run. It's practical in the sense that people who can't spend 2hours a day collecting wax will still be able to get 10 candles in less than 30min.

[late mountain]

I'm really liking the new tent change. Its much larger now and also flat, works well as a shelter with enough space to move about or also a platform to stand on top of. Still hoping there will be a way so others can interact with it too.

[tacit stone]

thats actually what really upsets than the changes itself. To think that they have these thoughts and made these decisions on us, is hurting me for how much i support and love the game for its freedom, childlike and acceptance. If they continue to lose these sentimental beautiful elements about the game, it just become another general game in the app store. And i will soon wake up from the dream it once gave me.

[timber agate]

The method of preventing players from afking under the tree should be a limitation of the purple light, not impose a restriction on players.

[spark lance]

do remember that there are some groups take turns in doing cr so the rest can afk and do their thing when it's not yet their turn to lead yet. my group does this and its like we are supporting each other in a way when we want to squeeze our play time in between our busy schedules.

[hollow jackal]

Can anybody please explain? ive been scrolling up alot and the only reason I was here in the first place was to talk about how cute it was that you could hug, and interact with the quest giver. What ap locking ts??? wha

[vivid shore]

But the realms are still the same realms. If you used to take 2 hours before, it shouldn't take more than that again. If anything, maybe an extra 5-10 minutes for that one new cake in forest and few new cakes in vault together.

And regarding trial candles, TGC doesn't force anybody to get them.

[blazing sail]

But those candles might have been added even without a new system. This system just allows you to skip them without losing much.

[spice mason]

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. It just. Hightens the chance that people will get what they want without completely botching the system. Plus, we'd get to see some variety around TS week, too.

[fluid quail]

as long as u keep farming the same way as before it won't take more time... but now there's new wax location and new cakes that requires more time to go to hence the candle run now is gonna take more time then before.

[ember cedar]

is there anything new in the basement?

[nocturne dew]

For some of us we woke up a long time ago but we still keep signing in to chase that dragon day after day because we desperately miss the feeling that Sky USED to give us. 🥲

[bright portal]

Here to remind the daily light system has been updated in beta , so there should be some adjustments to cater full cr players

[wind dawn]

How is the new system gonna earn more money for them?

[karmic kestrel]

@placid linden yes thank youu!! I mean i understand it but it start to make no sense to me anymore it just feel tired l. About the earn money, i guess people gonna need to buy more candle pack?

[cosmic orchid]

in my side, the new candle system made me have more time to spend around my friends and irl stuff with negligible candle loses
it sorta made me realize how much time and effort I do in cr and how much ut absorbed me and set my mentality into pure gain, being the solo player that I am

[steady pond]

you misunderstand - you have to get the trial cakes if you want to reach the number of candles you could get before the DL system dropped lol, thats why the run is getting extended

[spark lance]

I feel like im playing sky wrong because i love to cr so much and i love leading cr and even when my friends are asleep i feel happy i am helping them cr because they are really tired or busy and dont have many candles it is boring for me just being at a realm and talking and not doing something like going oob or cr it is more fun when i cr with friends and i love collecting candles i dont need them to buy anything but i like collecting them but i dont think they want us to do cr or have candles but i made all of my friends from crs and its my favourite thing to do in sky

[solid dune]

You get less candles daily than you did before it was implemented. Thus for some people it will require them to have just buy a candle pack IAP

[placid linden]

How much wax do those cakes give when you're at 0 chevrons though? I highly doubt they give more than 2 candles overall....

[tardy dune]

Imagine doing cr with people who are busy
And they have to make actions or make conversation. Seems so unnatural and forced

[still ibex]

Hmm all ican think about is just, TGC added TS for the new players to have a chance getting the cosmetics from the seasons they missed. In the past, TGC added the new TS system on test in beta and alot of players complained about the new system because not all players are able buy the AP, but if TGC made the items from TS free or really cheap lots of old players will complain and just think that buying the AP for that items is just a big waste of money. At this point its really useless?? But idk what kind of idea tgc will add for future TS system (it should be relevant to earlier topic but because of cooldown i can send it this time, i'm sorry)

[timid bough]

TS is just a never ending balance issue unfortunately

[fluid quail]

Since the new daily light system, it's clear that were discourage from doin full candle runs yeah ...
a full candle run lover here .. well used to be

[rustic osprey]

The new daily light system is worse than the old one. I did full cr together with the new candle spots yet i only got 18 candles. The live version that didnt have this new daily system gives me 19-20 candles including the vault with less candles. I honestly thought that these new candle spots would give me atleast 3 additional candles but i think they're just there to look like you're actually gaining more when in reality you're just losing chevrons which only have 5 candles each

[karmic kestrel]

@placid linden i don't remember quite sure but around 1/5 a candle for 1 cake. I record it hahahahaha not quite sure how much but i did record it

[timber agate]

At 0 chevron you need 375 light to forge a candle, and a cake gives you merely 50 light.

[bright portal]

The whole game feels imbalanced with the recent changes

[tender dew]

"without losing much", yet not collecting them would mean you get less candles compared to old system.

I consider myself very lucky since I've just completed all 6 regular constellations and my need of candles dropped drastically. But I can understand how the full runners feel because I was one too.

Although to be fair, full candle running cause burnout for many users...

[shadow stream]

It's truly sad especially knowing the fact that there are people who are working and are stressed, or even in school. Some play because it's the only way to see your friends since you can't really risk yourself going out far due to covid. With these changes I feel like many people will really leave the game if this keeps up...

[languid raven]

-How much time do you need to be considered afk?-

Thanks!

[steady pond]

exactly 😔 thats why you have to run those places, chevron tiers 3 ~ 0 only give you 15 total. you used to be able to get 18/19, so how're you going to reach that without running trials too?

[gilded parrot]

the power is in you, @steady pond

[tacit stone]

Yus, but if it continues this way, i will decide to spend my hard-earned money on other games or things that value altruism. Calling us who supports each other as exploiters when it takes real effort and time to read notes, and now being afk is wrong, we r forced to be kids that 'do the right things' again.

[hollow jackal]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I'm reading all of these and it's making me sad with the sky is taking away your freedom and whatnot all I really can say about this all is yes, the new chevron system sucks for full candle runners, and yes sky is slowly becoming a bit sad but we have to try to fix this? can we as a community tell tgc that we want some more? this community is what keeps sky alive so I think if we try??? aaaaaaaaaa wait i just plopped into the convo please don't @ me saying I'm vv wrong and missed alot of things

[silk crown]

Ngl, it would have been better to have a temp solution for a temp event rather than a permanent one ^^, like if this issue occured due to the players "sleeping" underneath the sakura tree they could've limit the number of waxes one could get from the tree.. (a temp solution for this temp event).. now pertaining to people being afk in runs, i dont believe anyone would be fully afk on runs because sky have not fixed the issue regarding server splits so one would check time to time...

[opaque swan]

I know you may think that way but u find the system really inconvenient for visual purposes, once it gets really small I can't see it and usually miss some I have bad eyes

[wind dawn]

I think they put the chevron in live prematurely

[spice mason]

There's a lot wrong in sky for me right now.

[valid terrace]

I can see the idea behind this, but it’s a VERY bad idea.

dunno what to say myself but please put your thoughts in #beta-feedback calmly

[hasty vessel]

But all the afk system does is force people to be a LITTLE more active, to swipe their screen every 5 minutes or however long it is? I still cant see what the big disagreement is on?

[nocturne dew]

Agreed. I don’t like that TGC is forcing us to play a certain way. I find it extremely insulting that they would force my friends not to be AFK for a run when I am FULLY SUPPORTIVE of my AFK friends and we all support eachother based on what we need and who has the most resources (time) to help ALL OF US GAIN SOMETHING. Is this not the altruism that Sky used to BRAG set them apart and made it a unique and fresh gaming experience different than anything else???? I don’t understand. The altruism in Sky is a sad husk of what it used to be.

[tender dew]

The chevron is unlikely go away, it's somewhat welcomed by players who don't do full runs... but they can balance the candle locations a bit so full runners won't need as much time.

[vast edge]

Tbh the new chevron system is fine as long as they just adjust the amount to what we actually should be getting. Especially with the new added waxes around the realm. Its good that you can get around 10 candles in a short run and just go back and forth when you have the time. They really just need to adjust the number of candles we get to the same we were getting before+ the new waxes/cakes.

[steady pond]

its the fact that its forcing people to do anything at all that people are discussing

[blazing sail]

But you can spend less time overall in the game. If you really can’t get by on 1-2 fewer candles per day when you’re doing full CRs every single day, hold off buying anything that isn’t time sensitive until you’ve gotten most of the TS stuff you’re missing?

[tardy dune]

But there was no harm for the leader if their friend is afk. That too when both parties have agreed on doing so.
Why punish the friendship

[sacred sigil]

i kinda like the new system, but we were promised that we would keep the same amount of wax collected.

[bright portal]

Beta chat has more folks typing then gen chat rn Reminding you guys to rest your fingers and drink water while at it okay

[solid dune]

I absolutely LOVE doing runs in Sky and would often “flex” to my friends how good my run path was and encouraged them to join me. But after this new candle system, I have had absolutely no energy to run anymore. It feels like my favorite activity became meaningless and my hard work was no longer rewarding and just became a waste of time.

[spark lance]

1 possible scenario would be...

no one wants to go check the whole map again to see where they didnt get waxes bc they were flagged afk for not moving for a couple of minutes just bc they went on an errand while they are being pulled by their uber

[shadow stream]

Some people have to multitask and do chores.

[neat stream]

Unless the person just goes afk without telling me and I tried having a conversation with them but realized they don’t even look at the screen...

[tacit stone]

Thats the point. Why do you have tp force ppl to be active in a game that allows us to be kids? Are we trying to stimulate how real life pressure and stress is now in Sky? Isnt Sky is a place for us to explore and enjoy our gameplay as we want as long as we r not hacking? Why is personal choice a sin now even though we survive in Sky with real efforts?

[sand dawn]

Drop this in suggestions plz, it’s gold

[pale junco]

Noone:
Me: tries to catch butterflies with the jar
Btw it doesn't work ( ꈍᴗꈍ).

[valid terrace]

The point of the game is to be an escape, not a reminder

I can understand the idea behind it but it’s just wrong

[vague glen]

Am I the only one who doesn’t have the cherry blossom tree in the home world like it says it’s supposed to be there in updates or am I the only one?

[hasty vessel]

Seriously, thank you for all your responses! Appreciate you 🙂

[spice mason]

Already did dw!

[steady pond]

and thanks for being an open minded sport about it! appreciate your view points too hope its not stressful being bombarded by so many replies lol

[nocturne dew]

The tree is gone in beta. It is in live now.

[karmic kestrel]

I play sky cause it was fun and feel free. Now i can't even grind candles as normal like i usually do with less time and now i can't help my friends too? They are just try to make us to go by their rules weird

[still ibex]

Off topic but i'm curious if the tent can now protect other players than the owner of the item from the rain?

[hollow jackal]

two people have spoken about this and so shall I This is probably one of the only reasons my friend and i log on to sky, candle running I used to love doing it so much and i thought the chevron system would help me but it didn't,, I am confused sad

[bright portal]

Tgc, ur balancing/idea developing team needs some new folks to help out, just saying

[stone topaz]

To be extremely honest and no offense. I think they may need help on math specifically

[tacit stone]

Exactly, it is behind every decision they make now, which includes disrespect players who have a lot of time and doesnt want to get punished for running full cr that now requires more efforts. As much as new candle light system benefits us all, full cr players are to be respected and cherished for their equal or even more support for the game. What i want to say is, no one should be sacrificed for a change that may benefit another player. Including prefer to afk. Including people who don mind making extra efforts in shrines to get hearts. They r all good players who work hard and dont resort to hacking.

[timid bough]

technically we are that team with the amount of feedback we are giving, we are just not getting acknowledged

[late mountain]

There's a lot of sides to the new AFK system, but looking at the overall goal of the system I do like the idea of it being that it will lead to a more active sky world. If everyone is active in a candle run group it would put less stress on the leader to keep everyone together. That could also lead to some groups being a bit more casual on their runs and more willing to have a chuckle or mess around with some of the fun activities in sky.

[rustic osprey]

What im trying to say is that DL does not give the same amount of candles a player can collect daily, it's really what they hoped for—discouraging full crs. It's never better than the previous candle forging system, and it's not balanced because obviously the amount is different compared to what it used to offer. You basically exert more time and effort just to get lesser amount of candles of what you usually get. It would be good enough if I get the same amount even after getting all the new candle spots but nah fam i get less

[vast edge]

One thing I like about the chevron system is the fast forging at first. Especially earlier I woke up late because I have night shift work and forgot to run yesterday. I started my short run around valley(slide race and dreams/yeti not included) and got 12 candles(quests included) where before youd get like 6 candles in that short amount of time. It didnt feel like i failed my daily run with it,

They really just need to adjust it to the same amount of candles we were getting before 19-20 candles+ 4 quests then the new wax and cake areas all together.

[nocturne dew]

I know one thing for sure....I will not be supporting TGC with my wallet anymore when they push through ridiculous and restrictive changes like this. They have already taken away so many small AND big things from us and the quality of life in Sky is drastically different than it used to be when I first started in August 2019. Sky will never be the same and it’s only getting worse which absolutely breaks my heart because in my over 30 frickin years of gaming I have never loved a game like I have loved Sky. But that love is fading with every major update and it’s straight up depressing. Hacking and abuse should be punished in the game - not going AFK on candle runs. If you want to fix the tree issue fix the TREE not punish afk players it’s literally insane.

[shadow stream]

Remember when we can just be afk sometimes to admire the scenery, enjoy the music, or sometimes listen to sound effects? Good times...
I sometimes do this in Sanctuary lol don't mind me XD

[pale junco]

Lol tgc is still a small team they don't have enough people to test everything and how it will impact the players. That's why we are here. They just throw ideas and we are the ones that tell them if it works and fulfills it's purpose or not.

[valid terrace]

this is an idea alone, I know, but it goes against the entire idea of the game

because not everyone is guaranteed to be active constantly at all

[cosmic orchid]

I want a clear indication when the afk triggers, like you go bald or grey lmao

[spark lance]

But we already get krilled if we are afk at wasteland

[spice mason]

A distinct sound cue for when AFK triggers would be preferable. Most afkers usually keep an ear out.

[neat stream]

I’m actually very happy with Sky right now, with the features and everything.

I still didn’t check on the new afk system but from what I think I know it won’t affect me much and doesn’t hurt me, maybe because I’m usually quite active and don’t really care about missing candles I’m living off of conversion candles

Almost the only thing that’s bothering me is that so many people complain

I do hope y’all will feel better about things/things will change soon for my own sake too

[stable quiver]

I think devs are confusing ‘hackers’ to ’exploiters’ hard working sky kids.

[runic path]

Just done my live CR. As a Uber the afk not collecting candle things might really hurt my passenger...

[tardy dune]

The purge alarm 👀👌🏻

[tropic radish]

I hope you guys sent feedback regarding this in the most civil way in the beta feedback channel

Be civil when discussing here too

[bitter slate]

The problem is that they throw ideas and then push it out to live without listening to us... So many things got updated in live when they’re still new and buggy and/or we already reported bugs/gave feedback against it and they still went on with it...

[fluid quail]

idk if ur serious 🙉 but i got an answer... nothing, it's just the wax is feeling shy so u won't be able to collect it till u interact.

[late mountain]

Me too, I'm planning to give feedback suggesting an audio cue and a visual cue. Something like a simple ping for audio and maybe your candle going grey or soft grey in the heart shape for visual. Just ideas of course

[nocturne dew]

I can’t trust that anymore. “Just an idea” has turned into every major update in live that has broken my heart a little more every single time. I literally do not and cannot trust that they listen to feedback about major changes like this. They push it through anyway to force people to play how they want.

[bright portal]

TGC in a nutshell
New candle system : Wants you to spend more time irl
AFK system : Wants you to spend time glancing at ur screen or not no candles for you

Someone needs a bonk on their head

[stone topaz]

exactly. The decision of putting it into test already shows they don't listen to players

[reef zealot]

So acording to this idea, if I'll choose one of those 3 TSes I won't be able to access another ones? Then what to do if somebody likes 2 or even 3 of these 3 TSes?
P.S: Probably I got something wrong so correct me if I did so😅

[karmic kestrel]

I used to spend every dang penny for the company just to supporting them. And now they don't even listen to us in beta, ever since the DL system and try to go by their own way, thinking it's the best for us...

[fervent loom]

I understand your point, but also I think it’s sort of subjective. As someone who ubers afk people, I actually feel less stress holding AFKers then when many people are talking and interacting.

[solid dune]

Yes but it does not feel like TGC listens to us as said testers. At this point it feels like all we are here for is to test a graphic issue or a tree sticking out a cloud bug. Not actually important major changes being made.

[valid terrace]

They feel pretty hypocritical as updates, yes...

[shadow stream]

That pot hair accessory might actually be of good use for that

[pale junco]

I know, that was the first time they did that from what i know. I think they wanted more feedbacks or didn't had enough time to fix everything. But since they fixed it now i'm sure it was a issue of not having enough time

[hollow jackal]

i am honestly out of breath reading and writing all of this but i will still keep going what can tgc do to fix all of this? especially the hearts, afk, and chevron situation. and the ts too! all of this is unbalanced and results in a real wacky blob

[unborn mango]

looks like I’m the only one here who likes the new wax system……

[spice mason]

The idea isn't to give us access to more spirits at once. Because I'd imagine people would be very unhappy that IAP players would be able to cheat this . And.. buy all of this stuff at once. Should they so choose.

The idea is to give you more of a choice .

[vast edge]

This is hilarious i agree

[primal copper]

I'm having a little trouble with AFK.
I use a controller to control the game.
I play in the same room with my family, but we talk next to each other, so we rarely touch the screen.
We also change the angle of the camera and fly through the air.
They think I'm AFK because I don't touch the screen directly when I'm running to collect candles or when I'm playing (since I'm controlling the controller).

Indeed, I think the AFK system is a very good idea.
However, it would be nice if the controller could also be judged as active.

[spark lance]

I really want people to stop using the small team thing as an excuse for them, them included. They charge alot for iap and for seasons which thousands of people, including myself, jump to pay for or blindly spend and support them (myself included). They have the money, of this i have no doubts anymore. After spending 30 dollars cnd on redcape, hair and blush mask bundle, and another 30$ for the tea set (which i love) and a pass for myself (with the 2 gifts (another 30)... sorry but please@dont use small company as an excuse. Not anymore...

[rustic osprey]

Sigh i miss the feature where we could follow strangers and be just an annoying fly

[tacit stone]

Its sad that for heart shriners, we are considered exploiting when we need to make new friends, find every notes, read everything and like each of them, spending an extra 40 mins or more a day in the game.
Its sad that for afk players, getting wax while afk is considered exploiting when we need to connect with ppl to be friends or ubers, teleport to them, intentionally letting our phone be occupied with Sky while we busy with some irl business, just because some ppl afk overnight to get that very little wax from the blossom tree.

[valid terrace]

I don’t want to abandon my current go-to comfort game, but if it does turn too restricted in some fashion, I’ll have to let it go, and have the hardest time doing so...

I highly highly doubt this will be a thing.

[shadow stream]

Honestly I even like my passengers not talking and afk. I feel guilty for not replying and also I really just want to concentrate more on my candle run than and sometimes the chat bubbles get in the way of my view. 🤣 Besides I'm not a talkative type either lol

[tropic radish]

I had bad stalking experiences because I was wearing valley hairs back then
I still wish for radar honk to come back so I can troll those stalkers lol

[pale junco]

I think we all should be patient and give tgc some time. Gather your thoughts put it in feedbacks and your work is done. I'm sure tgc is listening to us and probably working on a solution. Your opinion is valid and feedbacks is the best place to express it.
Again we should give tgc some time

[stone topaz]

and honestly I don't see a problem of people being afk under the tree. It's a limited time event after all

[reef zealot]

Aha, ok. Thanks for explaining that This is truly gold

[bitter slate]

There’s been a handful of incidents where TGC pushed updates to live despite all the bugs: the most memorable one that comes to mind right now is when sanc was completely unavailable to cr in groups a while back. TGC needs to give themselves more time to work on their game, no one’s forcing them to be in a hurry, they’re the ones setting harsh deadlines for themselves, while their players just want at least a functional game.

[solid dune]

It is beneficial to those who need it. and in a theoretical sense, it could be beneficial to everyone, but it isn’t. It’s a punishment to players who don’t play by their expectations and forces said players into it.

[sacred sigil]

not even talking about iap prices for other countries, all iaps cost for me the same as a 3 weak food supply