beta-discussion

[calm mist]

Okay, so let me share my findings with a bit of numbers:
I’ve been candle running through all the realms (except Eden and the trials) + candle cakes and have therefore gathered roughly 2610 wax.

The tiers are as follows:
3 chevron: 5x 75 wax (double speed)
2 chevron: 5x 150 wax (normal speed)
1 chevron: 5x 300 wax (half speed)
0 chevron: ?x 600 wax (not reachable)

Other means of obtaining candles that don’t involve wax such as the race rewards will still give you one candle regardless of which tier you’re in and will also not tire you out!
Therefore you can always get 2 candles there.

Total in a day is thus max 15 candles from wax +2 from races, making 17 each day

[thin wolf]

So it is still less than 20 that we can get normally

[spark lance]

Oh :(

[fervent forge]

i thought it was 18? or are you saying we actually are getting less now?

[thin dawn]

it was 18 then

[rapid stirrup]

you should get 18-19 candles from a run? i'm assuming quest candles function the same as the race ones. my guess it once you exhaust all the boosts after your first 15 candles, it'll just stay at the 0 boost speed for the rest of that day

also, rain, that tier list that you have there would give less wax than usual, right? since it spends more time being higher than 150 sparks instead of the same

[autumn bane]

the max in Live without Eden or office is 18.51, and 19.28 on sundays

[karmic kestrel]

@fervent forge i think it depends. Like sometimes when i finish my run and the candle counter is about to full, then i'll get 18 (or even 19) on the next day.

[pale junco]

Here’s how it works:
 
Your candle icon in the interface will change as you play Sky, animating and changing colors to indicate progress through the candle-forge levels.

When you login each day, your forge rate will start at its fastest and you will notice being able to forge candles much faster than before. As you collect more light, the forge rate will start to slow down as your character begins to get more “tired.”
 
There are four levels indicated by three chevrons on your candle meter. Each chevron tier is intended to be less rewarding than the subsequent tier, creating a curve for your candle-forging the longer you play.
 
A blue chevron will indicate that your candle-forging rate is accelerated. After you’ve collected enough Light to forge a candle, you lose a chevron tier and you can begin to refill the candle meter.
 
This new system will give players more autonomy to explore Sky. If you only have a few moments in between work or class to farm Light, we want you to feel like your time is well spent during that session. We want you to feel incentivized to grind less without losing out on the number of candles you can get in a day. And if you do want to grind Light for a very long time, the total amount of candles available to forge in a day won’t be changing.

-tgc's website

https://thatskygame.com/news/system-preview-daily-light

Please read the article all information is provided

[lavish stump]

add village candles to that so we’re supposed to get around 20

[hard marsh]

@fervent forge it's stated in the blog that we will be getting the same number of candles

purin said less than 20
18<20

(I hope I don't come off as mean, it totally isn't my intention ;;)

[spark lance]

System makes sense on paper, people are more discussing the implementation and how it feels

[fervent forge]

Ah! I was responding to Rain! Who calculated 17, that was why i was confused :0

[autumn bane]

if i add eden (2 max but lets say 1.5 if you're lazy or new to the game) + office (0.44) it add ~2 candles. with village its a bit less than 1 candle, lets say 0.8? It would make it 21.3 on regular days

[fallen forum]

sorry i am curious how to know the specific number like 0.28 & 0.51 ? for me i can only judge from my eyes for 0.25, 0.5 and 0.75 😆

[rapid stirrup]

A blue chevron will indicate that your candle-forging rate is accelerated. After you’ve collected enough Light to forge a candle, you lose a chevron tier and you can begin to refill the candle meter.

^ this makes it seem like you lose a tier per candle, rather than 5 candles, which is what ppl have been reporting?

[thin wolf]

It's beta so tgc is still testing the system
Report to tgc so they fix the problem

[pale junco]

I was talking about the already stated things. Like will there be less candles or how much time it would take.

I understand all the other things like getting less candles even tho you shouldn't:)

[blazing sail]

The 3-chevron candle tier lasts for a few candles but the 4-chevron seems to only be the first candle?

[dusky moat]

Gentle information::
The wax that you get from relieving a new spirit will count in the new system thingy

[gleaming yacht]

it says you lose a chevron tier, each chevron has it's own meter that falls little by little

[spark lance]

Eden takes way too much time for what is at absolute most (given enough friends and spirits collected) 2 candles. Too inconsistent to consider imo

[lavish stump]

i think what they mean is after 5 candle forges, not really equivalent to a total of 5 candles.. which is actually a bit of a loss if you only need few remaining candle waxes to forge a candle at reset

[light depot]

Whee! Thank you tgc for all of that, I don’t know if it’s exactly the right solution, but it is a step in the right direction! Thank you so much

[craggy karma]

In my opinion, the boost should be based on the number of waxes you collected, not if you have filled your candle meter

[desert mango]

I noticed each chevron has a circle thing that decreases every time you collect wax ...awesome
I’m loving the system ... it also can tell the player when it’s time to probably have a break ....you could probably use it to create some sort of mini game too maybe

[empty river]

if youre going for a full candle run, it doesnt take any more or less time than it does now, and in theory you should get the total amount of candles we can get as of now (not counting the off-season quests and the new areas, since those arent available to everyone in live yet, and the quests reward seasonal candles in beta)

[pale junco]

You loose a part of a teir per candles YES
The circle around chevron changes color with each candle.

[autumn bane]

i got regular wax from accepting my seasonal at th home shrine 😆 wot

[rapid stirrup]

ah i see, ty

[blazing sail]

They probably just need to work on how the first candle works. So people don’t continuously lose out if they log in each day with an almost full candle

[spark lance]

Yeah little hiccups like that are what I'm afraid of.

And the placebo affect thing of nearing the end of your cr, and the last few candles feel "harder" to earn even though it's all the same.

[craggy karma]

I wonder what will happen to the boost if you, say. Complete non-seasonal quests (which there are 4)?

[desert mango]

Each tier has its own system ... if you start the day with almost a full candle it doesn’t effect it ... at-leased that’s what I noticed

[empty river]

didnt ktjn say it was based on how much light youve collected and not when you decide to forge the candle? it wouldnt matter if you start with an almost full candle or not

[light depot]

So question, for those of those who know, is the new candle system basically more exponential then the normal linear system?

[pale junco]

Also please remember things not being clear in the game deserves a feedback as tgc has stated. If a system or message isn't clear please give a feedback about it :) otherwise tgc wouldn't know what we want or are confused about

[autumn bane]

do you think they considered the hidden wax when they scaled their chevrons? from office or eden for example

[lavish stump]

but in game, the chevron boost already got depleted after collecting 2 waxes when i started farming with an almost full candle.. (i posted a video recording in beta screenshots and vids)

[blazing sail]

Wouldn’t you end up with more candles from the nonseasonal quests if you start with those?? Since it’s given as orbs, not full candles like seasonal

[rapid stirrup]

i think it's logarithmic rather than exponential?

[stoic crow]

i'd probably say it's more logarithmic (in terms of functions) than exponential- ack hark beat me to it
since exponential functions have a continual increase instead of an initial big curve that slows down (that's an oversimplifcation but it's closest to the candle curve currently)

[craggy karma]

Also. Say, would i benefit more if i collected candle cakes at the start of the reset compared to if i collected candle cakes after all the boosts are gone?

[light depot]

Oh thank you! gonna go look up what logarithmic is

[feral basin]

Hello I want to know if someone can help me with a Feedback. I put that, It will be good if they add a Amount of Candles that you can make on a Map before you enter the map, like when you are near the gate it appears the amount of candle you can make, and if you left something that it could appears like 3.98/4.10 - And then appears when you get it 4.10/4.10

[pale junco]

It's exponential but decaying. Logarithmic is opposite of exponential.

[autumn bane]

do the andle from the race count as one candle or 150 wax? if they count as wax, maybe we should think about doing the races in last, no?

[lavish stump]

if you aren’t planning on doing a full candle run then yes that would be a better choice (3 min slowmode aaaaaa)

[light depot]

Man tgc implants a new system to make us happier but then all of us start questioning the literal math behind it

[empty river]

so sad that we cant test quest wax right now since we're on season but in general how i interpreted it is that, it doesnt matter in which order we collect wax, but there's a certain amount that you have to meet for the tier to go down. If that is the case, collecting wax from a candle cake might make the tier go down faster than say, if you were collecting wax from the normal candles in vault

[rapid stirrup]

i like numbers kinda wish that they would have included the number of sparks per candle per tier to clear up the confusion and speculation

[blazing sail]

If you’re doing a full candle run the order doesn’t matter. It only matters if you’re doing partial and want to make the best use of your time.

[desert mango]

when I logged in today , I had a almost a full candle and my friend had a empty one .. we both lost tiers at around the same time minus a second or two ...I’m not saying I’m the smartest guy in the world but I’m pretty sure tgc have looked into this from every angle and wouldn’t overlook something so important... maybe peoples got a bug or something , it’s fine for me and I couldn’t be happier with what tgc are doing for those who needed this change is pretty awesome

[pale junco]

🕯️

[gleaming yacht]

I got a bug that I'm not reporting (jk):
||my tier decreased to 2, then it got back to 1||

[zenith wasp]

I just played for 15-20 minutes and I must say I really like the new candle system

[tender oasis]

I missed the whole convo from the system until now cause uhh work, but what happens with one whole candle places like valley races?

[fervent forge]

they still give you 1 each i believe

[autumn bane]

one told me you still get one candle, as i it was not 150 wax but "one full candle"

[thin wolf]

Tgc just need to fix the problem that it's not 5 candles per tier and should be relative to the overall candle count

[pale junco]

A smoother decay of the amount of wax will defeat the purpose of the system because it would take more time than this tier system.
For example:
If you have 15 mins and you are at tier one you can get more candles in less time playing on tier one. But if it was a smooth decay that would take more time as you wouldn't know how much you should collect before the speed decays too much

Basically collecting candles more efficiently

[timber ridge]

I am okay with cutscenes not being skippable. I love just staring at the camera movements.

[desert mango]

Imagine Each tier has a pot that gets emptied a little each time you collect wax ... when that pot empties you loose that tier ... that’s how it works ..I think ...

[eternal portal]

Is it just me or did you guys also almost cry when you finished the quests for the spirit? (The one in the village where you get a heart when you complete them)
IT WAS JUST SO SWEET AND CUTE AND WHOLESOME AND THE PERFORMANCE WAS BEAUTIFUL

[tender oasis]

Me: do everything to avoid cutscenes even if it takes 2x as much time

[pale junco]

Till the pot hasn't emptied the candle meter will be filled with a fixed speed then it will decrease Yes

[thin wolf]

The new valley end cutscene takes tooooooo long (the open door one)

[stoic crow]

hmm, but some people are sensitive to the camera movements which is why it's a concern.

[timber ridge]

So you would like to skip them? But they´re so beautiful, particularly the boat ones.

[normal glade]

Well you see them over and over and over again....

[rapid stirrup]

most ppl want an option to skip all cutscenes rather than a removal of them

[thorny fulcrum]

Is it just me or does the chevron go down only when u collect candle? ... Otherwise its at full power

[random gull]

one feedback a left a long time ago was skippable cutscenes and putting a cinema somewhere where I could watch the cutscenes at my leisure

[tender oasis]

Option to skip yes. There are times when I’m in a mood to watch one or two specific ones, same goes with spirits, but in general there is just too many of them to watch it every single day i log in without skip.

[dry flax]

They say if you look closely.. You can see an yeti walk past sometimes

[tropic radish]

Omg, like a "Cutscene gallery", similar to other games that have it ? Sign me up

[timber ridge]

Maybe skipping the cutscenes could be an option but at a cost. You could lose a candle everytime you skip a cutscene.

[normal glade]

WHHHHAAAAAAAAA, ouch.

[rapid stirrup]

why should there be a cost for skipping a cut scene? also, it takes minutes to farm a candle. a cutscene doesn't take that long, it doesn't line up

[random gull]

like I can't remember details but I had a whole paragraph typed out how it could be in the vault archives and that sky lore could be included in the cinema I got really hype on my tangent about being able to skip cutscenes

[minor falcon]

speedrunners better stock up then

[desert mango]

I don’t think Orbit should ever be skippable ... the end credits are

[fallen forum]

this reminds me of skipping the credits will causing you to miss 1 wl

[thorny fulcrum]

Could daily light be the transition gate for the whole candle wax ratio to flip? Like the step one?

[rapid stirrup]

not exactly, you just gotta wait till you hear the collection sound, and that's at the start

[quaint canyon]

how many wls are there in dreams village?

[storm vessel]

How about ability to rewatch all cut scenes in the setting menu or something? Like game intro and all the season cut scenes.

[timber ridge]

All the cut scenes one after the other, all unskippable. That would be neat and relaxing.

[lapis ore]

Like a movie about a sky kid! Although then they'd have to put a placeholder skid or something :pThink:
oh jeez that's a long cooldown

[silent lily]

How much is it? (Oh ;-;)

[timber ridge]

One candle per skipped cutscene.

[thorny fulcrum]

Only if discord could let us queue the message while on slomode 😭 ...

[tiny umbra]

Tfw you get half a candle at homespace

[rapid stirrup]

hm, my candle isn't filling up when i collect wax. it worked fine for the first cake in gw, but then i did home space and prairie social space and it hasn't filled at all

[desert mango]

One of my favourite things in any game are animated cutscenes - this takes so much time to do ... I just love to watch and appreciate .... the cutscenes for season of Dreams are incredible 🤍🕊️🤍

[slate shuttle]

Hey so feel me to direct me to another channel (I just assumed we talk here because beta spoilers) but the holiday cosmetics aren't available yet for live right? I think I saw some people hack and I wanted to confirm-

[peak token]

the holiday cosmetics isnt available yet in live, you better report them

[lapis ore]

Yes they were hacked, event starts the 21st

[slate shuttle]

Okay thank you, i reported them I saw they were using the season emotes as well and reported them for such

[stoic crow]

people who hack cosmetics early spoil it for everyone else

[spark lance]

You can skip the credits but you have to keep walking in the light to get the wl buff

[dry flax]

What about people getting into the village already? No hacks but the spoiler is there too

[rapid stirrup]

i'm worried that the downside of this system is really going to show once the boost have run out and it's significantly slower than 150 sparks

[spark lance]

For people grinding (and always want to have max wax) it will be a downside that it slows done. For people who cant play much it will be to little time/wax to collect. I think TGC is trying to balance it out for the majority of players. Less grind for a nice amount of wax and stimulate leisure game play

[craggy karma]

Well but then it poses a problem
That is if you grind candles from big piles, and quests, and races early, you may potentially earn more candles than doing those afterward
Orders of farming shouldn't affect the number of candles gained
Not to mention the waxes from orbit and secret area

[spark lance]

No, the amount of max wax is fixed.

[rapid stirrup]

you just gotta plan it out to maximize things. lots of ppl only farm quests or one specific realm. lets say that you only have 20 min. you'd probably choose to farm prairie or valley, not isle or vault to optimize your time. same kind of thinking would still apply

[craggy karma]

Then that defeats the point of this system :/
Yes, if you farm everywhere, this wouldn't affect anything, but to those who can't afford to farm everywhere, that gonna create disadvantages
Or, maybe im wrong, and TGC can clarify this somehow

[spark lance]

For a grinder it would be like eating your diner. If you prefer your fries first then u are stuck with veggies at the end. Or u can save your fries and eat your veggies first, so its more rewarding in the end. If its clear what I mean lol

[lapis ore]

Hmm so it depletes based on the number of forges but not the amount of wax itself? Just did flying race and had like 4/5 of a candle, forged the race candle and got another one after collecting the wax at the door. Although the boost went down for the race candle and not the door one so I guess it works out? I'm just confused lol

[craggy karma]

How about non-seasonal quests and races
If you do it at the beginning of the boost, would you earn more than one candle? Say, 1.5 candles

[spark lance]

U get more candles a the start. If u dont have a lot time u should farm cakes. Because u would get to like 10 candles faster in less time. U would be happy with 10 or so candles for less time. Because you dont grind for max anyway. And a reminder as TGC said about this new system. Its a work in progress. We get to test it in Beta to experience it and give our feedback. So don’t hold back to give your thoughts about this new system

[craggy karma]

And how about the waxes at the end of eden or in the secret area, do those also counted towards daily light gained?
Im sorry im just really confused with the behind-the-scene maths here

[spark lance]

Hey guys sorry for being late but I just read the update notes, what is this new light-farming system?

[craggy karma]

I mean, if TGC implemented this system, they must have accounted for every nook and crannies like this, correct?

[austere merlin]

Remember to give feedback in #beta-feedback

[lament moss]

i love the daily light

[spark lance]

No worries its a big change and your confusion and thoughts are actually really helpfull to the devs to optimize this new candle system. Because they want to know how it works for their Sky kids. So ask anything and everything. We are here in Beta to figure this out together ✨ (edit: typos)

[drifting socket]

Does anyone know how many candle you can get after full candle run in the new patch? I did my candle run today but I forgot how many I had before run.

[radiant drum]

The post in updates explains the new system, do you have any more specific questions?

[spare owl]

I think this update is maybe so fine

[radiant drum]

It should be the same as before the system, whatever number that is right now

[autumn bane]

I made this by stating that you need 75 wax to forge the first 5 candles, then 150(+75) for the next 5, then 225(+75), then 300(+75). This doesnt consider the races. Please share your thoughts
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[drifting socket]

There're 4 levels at each tier, and there're 3 tieres. I saw my level went down after forge one candle. That makes only 12 candles.. Or is there any level that goes down after 2 to 3 candle forged?

[craggy karma]

I think it would make sense if, races give more than one candle if its completed during the boost. Like instead of races giving 1 candle, it actually gives 150 waxes
About the non seasonal quests, devs should change it that we instantly receive candles like seasonal ones, without the wax-collecting and forging
But that is, if the boost system is counted by wax collected, not candles forged

[autumn bane]

If this is indeed the current system it would not be adapted to the current max you should get
#beta-screenshots-videos message
I'm not saying its terrible, i think it could be optimized

[spark lance]

We will see what the devs came up with for non seasonal quests soon I guess in beta. The season is nearing its end?

[empty river]

far from it, but since this is beta they could end it faster if they need to

[craggy karma]

Yeah i believe devs will let us test non seasonal quests soon

[austere merlin]

They should be the same

[spark lance]

Why would it not be the max fixed wax we are used too? Is the math not possible with the tiers? I am very bad at math so I rather ask you

[drifting socket]

I'd better count tomorrow's candle run. Thanks for your help!

[stone topaz]

finished a full CR. here is the actual result: 15.5 candles (purple)
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[craggy karma]

I believe when the new season comes to live, devs will begin to let beta testers test the non-seasonal quests with the new system

[autumn bane]

after reading reports from players i stated that the needed wax per tier were :
75
150
225
300
Its ok until you reach 15 candles, then it get harder to get 20 than it is in the classic system (you need 150 wax per candle in Live)

[novel aspen]

Ooh, the daily seasonal candle gives wax too?

[stone topaz]

it's not gonna get to 20. ~15.5 is the maximum in the current beta

[crude crystal]

my brain is not working and is the new cr system good ?

[spark lance]

I think im the player the are aiming for. I like to reach 15 candles a day. Busy days 10 candles. So the last bit is for the ultimate grinder. Like i was as a beta moth a few weeks ago Edit: and grinding for the days of feast table

[austere merlin]

Is that less than in live currently?

[autumn bane]

did you do Eden, office, etc.. ?

@spark lance yes its great for players who can't do full CRs!! im very happy for yall. im just checking that those who do full CR get the same as in Live

[stone topaz]

I did everything except Eden. The amount of wax you can collect is about 2900. The maximum for old system is about 19.5 candles. It caps at 15.5 in the new system.

There's no way that you can casually get 15 candles in the new system. Since it requires you to run pretty much everything. @spark lance

[spark lance]

Can I help you with anything to get more data? I have winterbreak coming up. So if you need someone to do candleruns in some order or anything. Feel free to ask!

[autumn bane]

ty!! lets try to get an exact candle someday and try to find out the needed wax to get to the next candle, depending on the tier. i have a list of the exact wax per area so we can do it

@stone topaz the max without office and eden is currently 18.51 (without village too). Eden is 2max, office 0.44 and vilage seems to be just under 1 candle

[desert mango]

Tomorrow I shall do a full candle run ..to see what results I get ,I’m gonna start from isle and work all the way through except Eden Thank-you for sharing the info and using your time - 🤍🕊️🤍

[spark lance]

Maybe it felt more casual today. Testing out something new. I have just about 15 candles now, but didnt get everything today. For some areas i dont have the time to wait for others, because it takes longer. Im a solo wanderer most times in beta

[stone topaz]

as I mentioned, I was talking about with office and village, without Eden. 19.5 is the right amount.

The exact amount of wax in Village is 133 (0.89 candle)

[autumn bane]

dont forget to set your counter to an exact value (19.0 for example) to make sure you need 75 to get to the next candle!

[spare owl]

Eden crash is fixed?

[desert mango]

I have gained 12 candles today and I have not done praire , half the forest or isle and office

[young zinc]

I seem to be having an issue that I don’t see anywhere in the FAQ as a common problem. I could be overlooking it, but when I go to update it, it goes through the cycle showing me that it has been updated. But then when I go into beta, after it has established that the update is complete, it tells me that there is a “new” update (the one it told me I have installed beforehand) and that I need to go through the process again. I’ve done this two or three times with no avail, is anybody else having this problem?

[tiny umbra]

Oh dear I don't think I'll be able to get traveling spirits regularly with that 15.5 cap , I rely on the 3 extra candles for a cushion

[random gull]

Pixy are you ios or android? android gets that problem a lot and the solution is to clear google play cache and try the download again

[stone topaz]

I suspect that 0.5 candles when you are at 0 arrow is gonna become 2 full candles instantly the next day you log in.

But it doesn't really change anything. The max candles per day is still a lot less than before

[young zinc]

I’m iOS. So it’s a bit confusing for me.

[tiny umbra]

Check your storage, it happens to me too,

[desert mango]

Roll on tomorrow ... I’m gonna test this candle amount and get my friend to also do the same but starting from vault while I start from isle ..

[random gull]

max candles per day hasnt changed at all. you can still get 18-20 during season with a full run

[novel aspen]

They did say max candles shouldn’t change as well

[worn trail]

We need this to happen with ascended candles 😁
Is the skater girl back?

[stone topaz]

you can try it out yourself.. sad truth is : you can't

@autumn bane I think the 0 arrow is somewhere between 400 and 500

[tiny umbra]

If it's stopping at 15.5, it might just be a bug, 👁️
Or somewhere, someone's math is wrong-

[random gull]

then youre either missing candles or encountered a bug. the devs themselves have said many times that this doesnt change the max daily candles you get.

[worn trail]

Is the skater girl back

[lusty light]

That’s not how it will work, Ktjn has already said so

[stone topaz]

we'll see tmr. But I think there are more people did full run at #beta-screenshots-videos, you can look at their graphs

It seems like the devs miscalculated the right amount of wax needed. I know that they wanted it to be the same, but as my full CR tells me.. it's not

[random gull]

bug report it then. thats not an intended feature

[lusty light]

What do you mean we’ll see... it’s already been said

[vast bay]

Ktjn

the calculation is made when you collect the Light, not when you forge the candles, so waiting to forge won't be beneficial or detrimental to you to sandbag your candle forging.

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[autumn bane]

what do you think is the wax needed for the last tier?

[desert mango]

My candle was almost full when reset happened ... this did not effect my chevron... as soon as I started collecting wax the maximum tiers circle started emptying ...

[calm mist]

From how much my wax meter filled, I'd suspect 600, but it's currently impossible to say for certain

[blazing sail]

That’s just talking about when you tap the candle to collect them — “forge”

[oblique mica]

Hey beta family how you all feel?

[stone topaz]

400. I kept my candle count at 0 and collected 4 treasure candles, and the count became 0.5

What Ktjn mean is when the blue arrow meter decreases. This is true based on my test

But what I mean is when I have 0.5 candles at the end of my run, and it became a tier 0, that 0.5 candle actually contains ~200 wax. Which I suspect it can be forged as tier 3 candles the next day I log in. This has nothing to do with keeping the red dot and waiting to forge.

[young zinc]

Is it possible to have the ultimate in beta already?

[empty river]

just a thought, but maybe counting this as pieces of wax or x.x amount of candles like we used to isnt reliable anymore?

[autumn bane]

seems like the counts are very very accurate tho

[calm mist]

It is pretty consistent though... All 3 chevron candles forged after exactly 75 wax, and so did all the other tiers

[oblique mica]

I see beta family don’t love me lol I’m just joking I get the shirt cape (that what I call it)

[desert mango]

The new system worked perfectly for me .. I watched it the whole time today ..all was as advertised by ktjn ... I just wish I had jotted down or remembered how many candles I started with ...so I will stop farming until tomorrow as I’m itching to really record my candle amount at the end 🤍

[autumn bane]

the system idea is extremly cool to make the game a better experience to those who can't play so much. we're just making sure the max stays the same, as we think its fair to keep it the way it is if we are able to realize the same effort
the new system will indeed make the end of CRs less "appealing" but im fine with that, i consider it minor

[minor falcon]

just don't touch the daily max for those who enjoy full cr

[grand drum]

I really think we are getting double the flame light on beta now

[calm mist]

you basically are... at least for the first five candles

[dense holly]

I'm still so confused about this new system....
So... When we lose tiers, do they come back after we close the game for a while? Or once they're gone for the day, they're just gone?

[lusty light]

It’s a daily reset

[dense holly]

What does everyone think of this new system so far???

[desert mango]

Love it like it’s always been their

[tawdry pine]

I honestly can't wrap my head around it..

[young zinc]

I’m still personally confused about the system. I’ve read up on it, and I tested it for a little bit, but I don’t know exactly how it works. I suppose I should probably try and run through a few realms fully.

[tiny umbra]

The new system is too much math so I might stay out of the technicalities of the discussion

[calm mist]

I think it's a genius idea! It helps a lot of people that don't have a lot of time. I just hope they'll rework it, so those that do full candle runs don't get punished by the system...

[low kindle]

for me, that collects every single daily wax...it's useless

but seems interesting anyway

[dense holly]

I still don't see how it eliminates the grind.. Because in the end, we still need candles 🤷🏾‍♀️
Perhaps if there were more ways to earn free candles, or half of candles.

[split wave]

I looked at the graphs people have put in the photos, but it still doesn't make sense to me UnU

[wide reef]

hello beta friends i find the new system really smart and it really can help people that have no time or feel pressured to run everyday, ive often seen people saying they get anxious when they cant candle run so i believe tgc is thinking about our mental and physical health too! im going to leave some feedbacks on #beta-feedback now, good day/night everyone

[hidden knot]

(If you're having trouble understanding the new candle mechanic, maybe put it in #beta-feedback ? So they know they need to explain it better )

[indigo halo]

Simply to say,
The new feature makes sure players can have more time to spend with others than the usual.....

Candle Harvest which took me about 30 minutes in-game to do... if I meet others, it will take about 1 hour or more.....

[desert mango]

I collect every wax daily and I don’t expect it to change anything for me ... I love farming all realms and I work ... so I’m happy it does nothing for me .... but I understand what it’s their for and it really is such a genius idea ...

imagine you only have a hour free ... this new system will allow you to collect what would normally take you longer..more candles quicker so that those who don’t have time or dislike candle runs will definitely benefit from this new system ...

[rain delta]

Interesting... so the 4 bars thing on the candle did not reset for me at reset.. I thought it would

[rapid stirrup]

i had a thought: what if they made it so the boosts actually boosted? so like, having no chevrons would be 150 sparks, and 3 chevrons would be like 50, 2 for 75, and 1 for 100? this would increase the total candle count daily and not feel as draining for full crs

[dense holly]

Thank you! Because this is the most clear explanation I've heard so far!

My main concern is still though, for people who want to do a full run, they total amount still being the same. I briefly read through the earlier comments and someone said we're capped at 15 candles with the new system now?

[desert mango]

But it’s only come one reset ...???? It’s not the candles that reset .. it’s the wax collected that effects the tiers ..so you won’t see anything until you collect wax and the maximum tiers circle starts decreasing .

[fresh crater]

I like the new candle system, I’ve been doing cr till I just can’t anymore, this way - while I’m playing I can collect a good number of daily candles and feel like I’ve got enough. I collected about 5 candles so I do think we are getting less candles. TGC needs to keep this in mind when setting candle prices

[hidden knot]

I don't think we should jump to conclusions about what the possible new candle cap is yet, it hasn't even been 24 hours of this update being out yet . It'll take some time to properly learn how this works and figure out what the new cap is (if the candle cap even changed)
It's ok to guess, just don't treat it as 100% true yet.

[indigo halo]

Indeed, I have only gone through the first part of Prairie and then went into wasteland, I had a good amount of candles than before!

[rancid oriole]

Tbh the only people who'll be working extra hard are those who need just 1-2 more of the final candles for the day and do long crs idk how to explain but yeah

[fresh crater]

Yes @indigo halo me too- that was refreshing

[desert mango]

I’m not sure this 15.5 cap is correct ...me and four friends are putting it to the test tomorrow - all starting in a different realm...if it has capped to 15.5 then I don’t know ..maybe just for testing in beta they have not set the maximum just yet ??but I think that the amount of candles will stay the same 🤍

[sullen relic]

i feel like knowing what the current formula is rather than attempting to infer it from trial and error would help with deciding how we feel about the system, but i also get the feeling that kind of information isn't something they'd be happy to readily reveal

[spark lance]

When you spot a [REDACTED] and they wont light you up 😔

[hidden knot]

Good luck testing tomorrow then! Can't wait to see what the results are

[dense holly]

I can understand how doing a full candle run can still in the end, equate to the same amount of candles. It's like, spreading it out.... Okay.. I'm a little less confused. Just still. Concerned about overall amount.

I STILL think there should be at least one or two ways a day to earn free candles, especially if time is a concern.

[oblique mica]

20 season candles for today now wait for tomorrow and after it I’m don’t with my second spirit and I didn’t think yet if I will start the yeti or the swing dance

[stone topaz]

me neither. I don’t want it to be true. but the math and the actual test told me it is. doesn’t matter what their intention is

[lusty light]

If you read the article about the new system they said that this is just one piece of the puzzle and will lead to more dynamic light collecting that isn’t just burning plants/lighting candles

[summer phoenix]

me: scans qr
my phone:
Choose App to Open URL
Sky
Sky
Cancel
me: ah yes the pain of having beta as well

[autumn bane]

then maybe we're getting less now because we can only farm wax, but with new ways to get candles it would eventually get back to the current max?
i expected the new system to be sufficient to replace the Live system, and the new additions would just add more candles overall, but maybe it will just fill the void the new system brought

[stoic crow]

choose the first sky

[lusty light]

You’re not supposed to get less though, report it

[desert mango]

That does sound awesome ....I can’t wait to see what the future holds

[dense holly]

I mean... If you think about it then, with the new system, they're the ones setting the amount of candles we get a day. Because it won't change anymore... Because candles have a set amount. But now, we just have a set amount that we'll collect. If that makes sense

[rain delta]

How do we get to 4 bars again?the first time I had 4 bars was yesterday before the reset... looks like it went back to 3 bars after playing for a bit

[sick pendant]

What's the special visual effect?

I used a you and I spell but nothing happened at all

[lusty light]

I don’t think it’s functional in beta because there’s no way to link it to another person

[sick pendant]

But what's the effect tho? What will happen? I'm just curious

[lyric kite]

We don't really know what the effect looks like if we can't see it lol, nobody has the actual pins yet to use them and the spell doesn't work right now

[lusty light]

It says it’s supposed to be a special effect when you hold hands with your soulmate

Maybe the official Twitter will post a video eventually

[desert mango]

Ohhh Thankyou ,I’ve been wondering why its not working since the first day as it’s the first thing I went to test lol .., ...

[spark lance]

my soulmate?

[desert mango]

It be cool if the visual effect was ikkle blue birdies stars and hearts .. all three 😂

[lapis ore]

It’s a set of two, so I think you register one for yourself and the other for your “soulmate”

[lean ivy]

I'm. Still so confused about the new candle collection stuff. I read the article and something might not be clicking

[stoic crow]

what are you confused about specifically?

@young relic ahh sorry i deleted it because it was live, i can post it in live ss if you'd like

[lean ivy]

Just.... most things? Okay, so. You get more candles for less wax at first and then it declines. How does it work if you get through all the realms normally? Does this feature punish people who put in the effort to spend that much time on sky? I might lurk to find out a bit more

[cloud yacht]

hi, im dumb and also english is not my first language so i didnt understood really well how the new way of getting wax works, can someone explain it to me in baby words? sorryaksnsksb

[rapid copper]

You're not dumb. English is my first language and I didn't understand it either.

[pale ether]

is the red table out yet?? for some weird reason i saw one of them last night at home island, this is on the main game though, not beta, is that still a yes, i was very sleep deprived

[analog oriole]

So we eventually get slowed down as we forage. I couldn't fly up to citadel to meditate today as I was slowed down. Not sure I like this new plan. 😐

[lean ivy]

Wait, so your character SPEED is slowed down?!

[orchid nexus]

value of wax reduces, so farming slows

[wide bridge]

Will farming take longer ? I’m not sure if I understand well

[analog oriole]

Another way to get more funding so you'll buy candles perhaps? They want to market this as encouraging socializing but really it takes longer to forage...mmmm

[lean ivy]

This definitely feels like punishing candle runners from what I'm seeing

[warped kiln]

So you get candles faster in the beginning and at the end the value of wax reduces is what I see?

[hidden knot]

From what I've gathered from reading and playing a little bit:
You start off being able to collect candles quickly. Which means it takes less wax collection on your end to make one candle. Over time, you get "tired" as they called it, which means it slowly takes more and more wax to make one candle. This resets every day.
This is intended to benefit those that cannot spend a long time candle running each day, as they would be able to gather more candles quickly. This doesn't seem to put avid candle runners at a disadvantage, as ktjn has said the candle total has not changed, just how fast you collect it over time.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me!

[stoic crow]

i'll see if i can break it down
usually, 1 candle takes 150 wax to forge (1:150). with the >>> (3 chevrons), it takes half of this to forge a candle (1:75). after 5 candles are forged, it goes down to >> (2 chevrons), and the ratio becomes 1:150 again. 5 more candles doubles the wax needed, > (1 chevron), so the ratio is 1:300. finally, at 0 chevrons, the ratio is 1:600.

so:
(candle : wax)
.>>> (3 chevrons) = 1:75
.>> (2 chevrons) = 1:150
.> (1 chevron) = 1:300
. (0 chevrons) = 1:600

what this means is candle farming is initially fast, then slows down as you progress. it takes 5 candles to reduce 1 chevron.

[orchid nexus]

look at pins, or the many attempts at graphs in #beta-screenshots-videos - it's a weighted change to how many candles you earn each reset

[wide bridge]

I don’t like to socialise on sky 👉👈 Im not sure if I like this idea as a lonely player

[orchid nexus]

it won't change how you play. if you don't do full candle runs, it will benefit you. if you do, everything is same

[analog oriole]

Go farm awhile and see if your character feels like it's not flying as fast... That's what it feels like... But
maybe it's just me.... I'm on full cape too...

[calm mist]

Everything's explained perfectly thank you, but I'll have to disappoint you by saying that the current candle max is not the same as before. If that's a bug or TGC has just not adjusted the system for it to match yet, we don't know

[kindred fossil]

we earn less candles while a season is active, no?

[wide bridge]

Will it changes the valley of triumph ? Since we get a candle at the end of each race

[hidden knot]

Ah. I wasn't taking that as 100% true yet so that's on me, but someone should be testing it with some friends tomorrow so we'll see

[lean ivy]

Thats just... okay. I'm still slightly confused but this seriously is so discouraging. This doesn't benefit me in any way, and I heard the new candle max a day is 15.5 when usually its around 18 w/o off season quests. It just seems like punishment for putting in long hours

[minor falcon]

I've seen conflicting reports on full cr max, but it's too early to tell if the discrepancy is just a bug

[hollow cloak]

Ran Prairie through lazy Vault first floor, saved Office for last. I had a single chevron when I went to Office.
I didn't even get half of a candle from Office. I... :pWeep:

I know theoretically the numbers are exactly the same at the end, but it's so much more dissatisfying as you reach the end of the collectable wax :SkyDontGo:

edit: why are my emotes broken—

[hidden knot]

I have to head out for class but just remember guys: This is still the first day of testing this. Be patient, and lets not jump to conclusions just yet as we don't know if its intentional or a bug. If you're a live member lurking: keep in mind there will be changes made to ensure this system is balanced.

[lusty light]

You’re supposed to get the same amount of candles you usually get with the new system, people who are saying they are getting less should be reporting it so that the developers can make fixes. According to Ktjn only a very small amount of people fully play the game everyday for candles, and this change is for the people who have maybe a half hour to an hour to play a day to still get a decent amount of candles a day. This change is not supposed to be punishing or discouraging to the people who are already fully playing the game everyday

[calm mist]

I've taken the whole day to count while candle running all the realms and done the maths. Adding to that, many people have independently calculated the same numbers so I would call them pretty accurate. You're of course welcome to do your own testing before believing me! https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/618891214527266846/789176068544004136

[vernal bolt]

Can someone help me get into that new area? Pls ;;

[astral hamlet]

OOF. I tried reading back from just after this build release... really really really difficult.

i trust by now that someone has reposted the wax counts, by realm. afaik it's wasteland, forest, prairie, valley -- in descending order. is that still accurate, with the expansions?

[lusty light]

It’s not available. Wait until the season starts in January. Anyone who says they can get in are breaking terms of service

[lean ivy]

But the fact of the matter is, it IS discouraging for people who put 3+ hours into this game to candle run*

If people are spending way too much time on your game trying to earn a currency enough to by what you're selling wouldn't you generally take a hint that you need to either increase the supply of said currency or decrease the prices?

[lusty light]

None of that matters because wax value scales

[lusty light]

This is their first step into making changes, this has literally been in beta for less than 24 hours, they’re going to make dramatic changes based on feedback before it hits live

[minor falcon]

#beta-feedback everyone

[astral hamlet]

this chevron system is an interesting solution, addressing the problem of daily gathering grind. but... isn't it a whole lot simpler to just reduce the item costs??? or at least only for beta builds -- so we can continue to focus on TESTING, rather than grinding???

[hollow cloak]

I never do full candle runs, because I don't have enough time. But I still manage to earn enough for TS when they come; at one point I had saved up 200 candles.
You don't have to do full candle runs to enjoy the features of the game.
I'm a little uncertain about the diminishing returns, myself, but if the end goal is less time spent candle running, I'm quite happy about that. I don't need to grind 16+ candles every single day, that's exhausting even with the live candle rates.

And yeah, leave feedback. But also be respectful to the devs, they're not trying to hurt the playerbase. Remember that this is out of a desire to make candle running less stressful for players.

[lean ivy]

I really hope so. I hate sounding this toxic and rude but I feel VERY strongly about this being one of the people who put around 2-3+ hours into candle running

[pale junco]

Grinding in beta isn't compulsory as it isn't necessary to have stuff on beta

[orchid nexus]

You can focus on testing. you don't need to buy All The Things\™ in beta because beta accounts aren't really yours and are not permanent

[fair prawn]

Can the candle level be recharged?

[lusty light]

It resets daily

[rain delta]

Reducing price of items means also unintentionally reducing the value of these items... it’s easy to collect 15 candles min per day on a full cr... if say they made something cost 30 candles.. you could get it in just 2 days,.. but during the season... on max you get 6 candles per day and it will take at least 5 days...those 3 extra days are the value addd of the item

[astral hamlet]

I'm not able to test the new table or yeti hug due to cost, because I spend my beta time testing rather than grind.
so yes, I feel it is quite relevant to beta. I don't treat my beta same as my live account. i don't really care about ATPT™ in beta -- just to be able to test them

[spark lance]

You can test the table with spells

[fair prawn]

I mean if I go down to level 2 can I go back to level 3 in the course of the day?

[lusty light]

There are free festive table spells for you to test it, and the bearhug is a permanent addition to the friendship tree

[lusty light]

It resets at normal reset time

[pale junco]

Yes and yeti hug isn't that expensive ony 24 candles lol

[wide reef]

i think this system confuses a lot of people at first because it requires math

[lusty light]

Do you have any pics of this? The max is 3

[sudden basalt]

Hi soap3

[lean ivy]

Thank you all for dealing with my kind of angry take on this change. I never intended to come across as rude, toxic, etc. and such. This was such big news to me at first, as a daily, full map candle runner. I'm glad I have multiple people agreeing with me on the fairness of this and I hope TCG will listen to us

[lusty light]

It doesn’t really, it’s just an accelerated rate for 5 candles, you don’t have to count individual wax values or anything

[hollow cloak]

I personally consider candle running a part of beta testing. I mean, it's regular gameplay, so if any bugs come up during your candle run, that's something to report before it hits live.
Sure, seasonal content is a big thing to test, but there are plenty of smaller bugs that can crop up when they add new content. And if you don't go through the regular gameplay loop, you might not encounter those bugs. :SkyShrug:

edit: why are my emotes nOT WORKINF

[astral hamlet]

@pale junco thank you for your perspective. it's possible that others do not have your same sense of value on things and costs, and you don't need to continue devaluing my feedback

[rain delta]

Ahhhh my post got deleted ;-; Yesterday I saw a 4 bar chevron. @lusty light no I do not have a picture of it ;-;, I thought it was intentional.. but makes sense now why I was able to get a whole candle by just walking around the butterfly fields...
So the max is just 3 then?

[stoic crow]

how will the daily candles be affected with this? since they give wax, not candles like the valley races, does that mean we'll get more or less candles depending on when we get them?

[lusty light]

It shouldn’t affect it at all

[sudden basalt]

Hi Seraph

[lusty light]

If it is getting affected then please report it

[hollow compass]

I did Prairie and Forest (minus the large tree in the temple) and got 8-9 candles, and went down to 2 chevrons. I think that seems fair enough. I forgot to time it, but...um, when did we meet sera? Maybe it took an hour from that?

[lusty light]

Idk what time it was

When I did wasteland I got 7 candles, but I skipped the big plant in graveyard bc no one to help

(I did wasteland bc I wanted treasure candles)

[pale junco]

calm down lol i just said don't worry about candle running in beta cause it's not important plus it isn't necessary for you to test everything there are other players too. Personally i just do my daily sc grind and test new items and things which i can lol i don't worry to much about testing everything.

Sorry if i sound rough

[halcyon quail]

What if we had different iddle animations depending on how "tired" (referring to the new candle mechanics) our sky kid is? For example add jumps when the sky kid is full of energy, the one we have already when is medium (arm stretching and such) and a tired one (maybe head falling from sleepiness).

I think it would add depth to the characters and a cool detail overall.

[hollow compass]

Tbh, I'm more concerned about two areas in the game: Valley races and Vault.

• Will it be worth it to do the races at all now, or will it make your chevron go down too much?
• Vault will be desolate of players, because there is so little wax there to begin with.
  Perhaps TGC should look at redesigning both these areas, so that there are more incentives to play in them?

[lusty light]

I think the fact that valley races affect your chevron at all isn’t supposed to happen

Like it doesn’t scale at all with your chevron, so it’s detrimental if you go there first

[fallow peak]

gm all from a lurker, i've had my eyes opened and now i don't know what spirit to go for first when dreams comes to live- the one with that rabbit like mask... or the one with impa hair

..eh, plenty of time to decide

[tiny umbra]

Personally I'm gonna get the scarf cape first

[tiny nacelle]

bunny cape...

[hollow compass]

It's confusing. Traditionally, we've always been able to get one candle from each race and it's been a handy way to get those 2 candles each day, if you're pressed for time. But if now, in the new system, all wax everywhere counts towards this somewhat mysterious total (how much is it exactly now?), we won't get those candles unless it's the first thing we run?

Then what indeed is the point of the races?

Wait, someone in another server said you don't get the one candle, if you've run another realm first.

[lusty light]

No you’ll still get 1 candle, and that’s the problem

It doesn’t scale at all

🤔 let me test real quick now that I’m down a chevron

[valid terrace]

I’ll suggest that races shouldn’t affect it

[minor falcon]

I hope the race reward candles stay the same, would feel odd to get a different amount of wax each time

[tiny nacelle]

i feel like the races shouldnt be affected by the new system, the whole point of races b4 was that it was a single candle youd get, no matter how much wax you got from the race.. if they change it so its affected by chevrons or whatever im gonna be kinda...

[lapis ore]

So with this system right now, if you had a lot of wax left over from the day before, you end up using a chunk of your boost, right? I had like half a candle but it seems like some ppl had almost a full candle left over from before, then got enough wax to forge a candle but idk

[hollow compass]

Do you mean, if you didn't forge a candle? Or if if you didn't collect all wax from the realms?

[hollow cloak]

Wait. Yeah, how does it count previous wax?
If you have more than 75 wax when the day ends and three chevrons is 75 wax per candle, what happens when you log in the next day? :stickerShock:

edit: some day my emotes will return to me. some day

[tiny nacelle]

i think they mean if they didnt forge their candle from the day before-?..

[lusty light]

Ktjn said the value of the light calculated when you collect it not when you forge

So... it shouldn’t? Maybe

[hollow compass]

It's funny, because it sounded really simple on the surface, but in practice...

[desert token]

the races are affected. a full boost gives you 1 candle, while less chevrons give you less than that. I did the flying race with 1 chevron and got around 0.25 candles

[lusty light]

Ktjn said they’re not giving us any answers until we have tested for a while 😔

[lapis ore]

Idk I had about half a candle when I started today, ran around home and forged a candle and used up a chunk of my boost, which I get but idk how it would affect me if I had more wax before I started

[hollow cloak]

That... That means I have to use my brain...

i wasn't prepared for this :blbsweat:

[desert mango]

When I done triumph race , I still got one candle for the race .. that had not Changed ..

[lusty light]

Before and after sliding race with a chevron used

Exactly 1 candle

[low kindle]

[lusty light]

And it used my boost

So yes it’s detrimental with the same reward

[minor falcon]

run valley last

[vast grail]

Is it:

If you have reached the max amount of candles you could get in 1 day, even if you haven’t go to (let’s say, Isle), when you do, you won’t get any wax

or

You will still get wax orbs no matter where you go even if your chevron is tired?

[desert token]

if the races weren't affected you could just do them last after a candle run (getting 2 whole candles) and game the system that way I'm mainly worried about the off season quests - since they give you wax to forge candles - not candles themselves. if the total candle count per day isn't adjusted to around 22 we could end up earning basically nothing for completing quests - stuck on 18 candles per day. on the screenies above: I've heard of the race giving less wax for other people too, is this whole thing a bug then

[lusty light]

Yeah you can just do that last but it shouldn’t be affected in the first place

[hollow cloak]

I ran Valley first. Ahaha...

[lapis ore]

Hmm I'll have to run it last tomorrow and see then

[lusty light]

A lot of people are saying they’re getting less candles overall which isn’t supposed to happen... but is anyone actually reporting it so the devs can fix? 🌝

[runic path]

Welp it looks like boost for first 5 candle. Them normal rate for 5 candle them slow rate for the rest

[hollow compass]

I feel like I'm not much help here, since I barely do half a candle run each day. I might run Prairie with Sanctuary especially and sometimes parts of Forest. But I have no feeling for how much more or less I would be getting with this new system.

[desert token]

I got like 5 candles just from sanctuary (on max boost)

[stoic crow]

with the current system, what would you guys say would be the best route (in terms of realms)?

[lusty light]

I think it matters less now

[minor falcon]

whatever you like, valley last

[spring sentinel]

preferences

[desert mango]

As your not collecting wax during race ...the set number is one ... that’s right? ... even though it seems your boost is being used it’s probably not I’m thinking ......I dunno ..I’m testing tomorrow ... wax is wax and it don’t matter what realm you run

[tiny umbra]

It depends on what realm you think is more fun, if you don't do full candle runs, I love running forest, so mine would be forest > wasteland > maybe prairie

[silent lily]

I think race reward will still be 1 candle , since after to complete it, the candle collecting action auto plays and 1 whole candle is adeed automatically

[lusty light]

I can do the flying race later and see if I get less after I get myself down to one chevron

[valid terrace]

I'm afraid I'll opt out of CR-involved testing, I don't want burnout

[desert token]

the normal amount of wax still matters if you're looking for the most efficient candle-collection time, no? even if you have a boost you'd just get more candles doing an area that has inherently more wax in full. this is if you're only doing certain realms though. always doing valley last would be the best tip though if the races do give 1 candle still

[crimson wedge]

Can someone send me a winged light guide for the village? I haven't been able to find them despite being in beta for so long

[desert mango]

Goodnight peeps 🤍 , I really don’t think it’s as complicated as it’s feeling ....take care

[minor falcon]

these changes will be the last nail to ark and vault's coffin for me

[gilded talon]

I just did race with one chevron only. And I got less than a candle. This is so confusing
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[stoic crow]

does anyone actually run vault if ark was closer + you didn't have to go through that long boat cutscene it might not have died for candle runners

[lusty light]

Ark was already dead to most of the playerbase

[primal pagoda]

@cobalt crater use the boat in yeti slope that’s going back to the village. on the way there there is an ice cave (on your right) try to find the cave apby yourself and go inside. that’s your last wl in yeti slope

[elfin raft]

I am going to learn music sheet 19
Wish me luck
Anyone tried to convert it into a file? No? Okay.

[hollow compass]

Yes, unfortunately, some areas just don't seem to have that much replayability after a season or in general. It feels like such a waste, when TGC probably put a lot of time and money into designing them. Hence my comment earlier about Valley races and Vault.

[valid terrace]

Me, a Late-Enchantment moth who visits from time to time:

anyway I'll throw something in feedback about the system making some places possibly forgettable

[desert mango]

Wax is wax it don’t matter where it comes from .. I don’t see why any nail would be in any coffin ... you could get the wax to fill your candle from behind your ear - it still adds the same .... I myself love to fly the ark and swoop the candles without touching floor ..also the music I love too

[stoic crow]

vol you have a lot of patience to wait for those cutscenes especially the ones with little to no candles, do you do the 4 player rooms too?

[minor falcon]

still, wax for work ratio is totally out of wack with vault and ark I'm glad I'll get to skip them without feeling that I'm missing out on a lot

[robust carbon]

@desert mango It would be the nail in the coffin because Ark and Vault are the places that take longest to get to/go through for very little wax payoff to begin with. When people are short of time, those are usually the areas they skip.

[lusty light]

The devs really never intended for people to run the game every single day out of obligation which is why some areas don’t have a “large reward” for going to and why we are having these changes now

I wonder what new light collecting sources they have in store for next year 👁

[valid terrace]

Sometimes, yes.
My attachment to the Ark is part of the reason I go there on CRs, but in the cases of those it's usually a 'desperate' place

[finite inlet]

lol desperate XD

[edgy nexus]

Have anyone create a chart for the new candle grind system, how many wax to forge to 1 candle in each tier?

[hollow compass]

How to phrase this, but I feel like this is more a treatment of the symptoms than the actual source: cosmetics and most of all the TS system. That is not to say that I don't want new players to have access to older seasonal items, but it clearly is a reason for a lot of burnout/long cr and the reasons we have a whole uber system in Sky now. Back in the day, the only thing you would candle run for were the regular constellations. Now I see people saying they don't even care about those anymore.

[lusty light]

Well most people aren’t grinding every level every day in hopes of getting traveling spirit items

If they want the items they just buy candles for it

[hollow compass]

True, Ktjn did say that. I suppose I'm basing this more on what is happening here on the server.
Although, this new system was said to be put in place in order to lessen cr, so I don't know what to think anymore.

[gilded talon]

Many Sky players are just students who can’t afford buying candle packs in addition to APs. So yes, a lot of friends I know do grind everyday for ts items

[lusty light]

It’s kinda crazy how we are literally a vocal minority

50 million players globally, and we are just 200k of mostly English speakers

And not even all 200k of us talk

[real mica]

in the country where i live, the american currency is very expensive compared to our own, so we have to grind every day for the TS, few buy the candle packages, because they are incredibly expensive.

[lusty light]

It’s that and to make it more rewarding for the people who don’t have the time to play everyday, like why spend 3 hours getting 20 candles and probably be too tired to hang out with friends, when you can take a half hour to an hour to get around 10 and then spend the rest of the time you have to hang out

[astral hamlet]

it seems today that a lot of people are making assumptions for the majority based on their own experience. it would be nice if we could get back to the spirit of thinking of alternatives outside our own boxes

[hollow compass]

Lol, this system is perfect for us!

[lusty light]

[minor falcon]

let's see how the rest of the economy shapes up for 10 candle runs to be sustainable

[lusty light]

This is just the first step and the first iteration, we can’t make any assumptions when we haven’t even had a full day to see how everything is

[edgy nexus]

It seems like the the each tier drop based on the number of candle you forge... for example if I start the game with a candle almost ready to forge, once I forge that candle, my tier rate drop even tho I didn’t collect a lot of wax

[random gull]

I'm mostly excited about the wax being extra chonky when you start running. it's a silly thing but it makes me happy speedier candle earning at the start really benefits me though cuz I can do 1-2 realms and take a break

[astral hamlet]

I'm not sure what that emoji is, but it looks exactly my older brother, when he's about to ninja hug my little brother -- and when he's about to try stealing my iced tea 😂😂😂

[lapis ore]

Yass chonky wax makes me so happy and idk why lol

[hollow compass]

I was mostly surprised that TGC decided to announce the new system before it had been fully tested in beta.

[lusty light]

They want to be more transparent to us so I get why, they did say a lot that this is just very early development but we all know ppl don’t read

Devs: this feature is coming sometime next year
The players: JANUARY 1ST????

[hollow cloak]

They said that it'll probably be a year before it comes, but people are panicking
Some of them might not even be playing Sky a year from now. :pFIRE:

edit: wjoops i don't read either, they said next year :blbsweat:

[robust carbon]

@hollow compass It’s probably a simple enough thing that it wasn’t hard to implement, and they probably tested it themselves. Who wouldn’t want to collect wax faster at the beginning of a run? Kinda foolproof.

[pure path]

(bit off topic) Inb4 at Dec 31st 23:59 the dates change to Dec 32nd 00:00 and we stuck in 2020 forever

[rapid stirrup]

for me, the issue doesn't come from the boost in the beginning, but the lag at the end to compensate

[hollow compass]

Unrelated: I do wonder when I will grow tired of this game and stop playing it.

[soft burrow]

Imagine not getting the candles at all/not pressing the candle icon with the tier 3 boost-

Ohh, alright. Thanks for answering! I was a bit confused about it lol

[tight bloom]

I think they just need to polish some things regarding candle from race and off seasons daily quest. Other than that I'm so happy with this new system.

[lusty light]

You’ll still get the same amount of candles, it’s calculated BEFORE forging

[stray owl]

Do you know the name of the season of dreams instrument?

[primal pagoda]

pipa

[kindred fossil]

stringy thingy

[stone topaz]

I get it, I like the idea very much. But the current version doesn't match what the dev said of how they want the candle system to be.

A full CR gains less candle than before, and I don't think it's intended. Especially for the Tier 1 arrow and Tier 0 arrow, it's extremely frustrating to fill the candle meter in these tiers.

Yes, I know it needs a lot of refinement but also yes, I want to point out that the amount of daily maximum candle seems not intended and need to be known and fixed.

[lusty light]

Report it

They won’t know if no one reports it in the proper channels

[stone topaz]

yes, I have. Just trying to point it out, and for those who did full CR test please report too

[orchid nebula]

I have the IQ of a guppy. What’s the point of this new candle system? Same amount of candles, just grind faster?

[valid terrace]

Forging rates that start much higher and gradually decrease the more candles you get

[half cypress]

It is intended to benefit players who do not have as much time for grinding out candles and to provide more time for the leisurely activities of Sky.

[orchid nebula]

IQ decreased

What’s the point? I’m legit slow at the moment

[spark lance]

how the new candles run going?

[valid terrace]

I much prefer spending time seeing how utterly broken tables can get and laughing about it as opposed to CRs, for example

[rustic imp]

It helps you earn a few more candles if you don’t have that much time and can’t run all the realms! It also gives more time for people to hang out and socialize instead of pressure to candle run

[spark lance]

i see still the same 18 to 19 candles a day?

[rustic imp]

Yep. Still the same total.

[pure path]

Well the idea was exactly that. Same amount of candles but you get them faster at the beginning and slower at the end. The idea is to help out people that cannot spend 2h every day farming, and instead get to only farm for 30-40 mins to an hour.

I posted a little graph of how the candles math actually works right now, so it seems that the system isn't as accurate as TGC intended it to be, which they will hopefully change after the community speaks out about it (done in #beta-feedback btw)

Chart: #beta-screenshots-videos message

[stone topaz]

as the current test and curve graph shows, you get candles faster when you are collecting wax for the first 11 candles. At 12th candle it becomes the same as before, and will be slower after.

@pure path I am sorry but no offense, it seems like your graph isn't very accurate compared to me and other ppl's test

[pure path]

Actually at 15th candle it matches the same rate as before, not at 12th. Unless my math is off? I was pretty sure of it cri

[vapid briar]

largely for transparency, and so people don't spread misinformation from beta.

[half cypress]

Zero, how many did you total with the new DL update by the end of the full CR?

[stone topaz]

full cr max is 15.5, me and my friend's account yield a same result, so do many testers in #beta-screenshots-videos

[pure path]

Wait hold on, isn't it like so for the tiers:
75 wax for 1 candle for the first 5 candles
150 wax for 1 candle for the second 5 candles
225 wax for 1 candle for the third 5 candles
300 wax for 1 candle afterwards

Oh actually I didn't remove the Valley candles from my calculation, so that's where the minor error is. It's hard to put those into a graph anyway though

[sullen relic]

what happens to your projected numbers if you set the intervals to every 4 candles instead of every 5?

[pure path]

The graph would get to the slower trend even faster basically

[valid terrace]

Non-sequitur (and I'm sorry if I'm being annoyingly disruptive; please tell me if I am), but can we just talk about the idea of gat chibis
it is adorable

[spark lance]

Well there are many things that tgc pointed out in the #news channel early peek
What came to beta is only the part about forging candles in a way that help people with less playtime
I sent my feedback about it in beta feedback

Are we open to discuss other intended changes too? Or should we focus only on the changes we got in beta?

[pure path]

I think the 15.5 cap is due to Valley taking away a part of your boost. If you do Valley last you can actually get about 17.5 candles

[tiny umbra]

Beta is beta, you can talk about other changes that are also in beta, but make sure you’re not ignoring other people’s questions or concerns 👁️

[stone topaz]

I am not sure about third 5 candles. I think it's 300

[vapid briar]

I do want to remind people (not just you, but I just happened to see your post) to try and avoid posting charts and wax values per candle per tier as these numbers are subject to change as we balance this feature. What is most valuable to us right now is people giving feedback on their experience with this system, not the numbers.

[silent lily]

If i read #beta-announcements carefully, the number of Candles obtained stays the same if you full cr

[calm mist]

Wait... where do you get the 225 tier from?
For me it jumped from 150 directly to 300

[spark lance]

oh come on 15.5 candles a day??? welp there gone 5 candles

[pure path]

Oh, I could take the chart down if you deem it will spread misinformation? I was just trying to give an accurate picture of the feature for players

[sudden flower]

no, same as before

[stone topaz]

thanks Ktjn. The experience I have is extremely frustrating after the forge speed became slower than old system.

The accelerated part is not enough.. The current version only accelerated the first 5 candles, and after the 10th candle all wax collection will have a huge punishment. more than double.

[spark lance]

how it the same when live we get like 18 to 19 (sunday)

[pure path]

Oh looking through the chat indeed the 3rd tier is 300. I was going off of information I had read in the chat, but seems like it was inaccurate... Should have researched more, my bad. I'll take the chart down anyway then

[spark lance]

The thing that introduced to beta rn is the candles forge thingy, not sure if there is something else
So should we wait now or is it ok to discuss other intended changes too?

[stone topaz]

I spent the second half of my CR time just to collect 3.5 candles.

It would feel right (in fact very right)if the max is the same as before.

[vapid briar]

It's totally okay to try and help others understand the system, we're just asking that people try not to post guides with numbers because of misinformation risks. Think of it like the player-made height chart with the "14 sizes" when the reality is there are 4000 heights.

[tough thunder]

How it fells the new grinding candles sistem??

[calm mist]

I think the person that posted that was trying to suggest a fix for the rapid decent, but it’s understandable that seeing the numbers gave you the wrong idea

[random gull]

Do we know how the daily quests in off-season will affect this new forging system since those are light pieces too?

[spark lance]

so still 18 candles a day on beta?

[tough thunder]

Hello i have a question

[pure path]

Seems like that number change didn't fix the decline tho (judging from my faulty graph)
I'll definitely wait to see what happens with the Valley races moving forward, since at the moment they are a huge wild card in the calculation... Altho I won't post anything publicly

[tough thunder]

How is the new grindings times??

[vapid briar]

This information is best shared in #beta-feedback when you have a chance to organize your thoughts/experience. If something feels off we'd like to know about it. The amount of time farming wax for a full CR (100% of all available Light) should take the same amount of time as before. There will absolutely be breakpoints as diminishing returns set in where grinding feels less rewarding because it takes longer to forge one candle. It is up to you to decide when you've hit the break point, and either make the conscious decision to take a break for the day or go hang out with friends.

[calm mist]

I actually also had the wrong idea about the valley races (which makes the fine print in my graphic faulty as well)
I did them at the very end of my candle run and therefore thought they didn’t deduct and of your tiers

[pure path]

Also I do have to ask, are the graph guides bad in general, or do you simply mean not to post them while the system is in development? Because I find them to be a lot more similar to the "Candle count per realm" guides, giving accurate information about the game currency, than the size myth. Or am I looking at it wrong?

[tiny umbra]

Intended changes ? As in new changes or things like the remaining tier 2 capes, and the ts system?
There are a few things that are currently beta only even if the current update only introduced the new candle forging method,
If you’re asking if we can only talk about the main new change, no you’re free to discuss any intended change that is in beta.
But since the discussion now is about the candle system, I think it’s best to wait until it dies down to start a conversation about something else.

[vapid briar]

The wax from the races is the same it's always been, but depending on where you are in your Daily Light forging bonus, doing the races may feel less lucrative. the idea is so that you don't feel forced to do the races, if you want to collect Light another way. In the current system on Live, the races are one of the most rewarding Light sources, which kinda makes doing the races Every Single Day feel compulsory, which can get quite tiring.

[valid terrace]

Wait, as of now once the chevrons run out, is the rate the same or less than the usual in Live?

[lapis ore]

Ohhh wait so instead of getting a candle since that's now subjective, we're getting the equivalent of a candle before? (I forgot how much wax is one candle but whatever amount that is)

[desert mango]

I don’t think that the new system does anything but help those who don’t have time or find it grindy ... I feel that it definitely does sort these issues ... I have friends who work and have kids including myself and they are all for the new system and they said this helps them a lot and stops them having to spend so much time candle farming ,
I think some people expect to be given all candles quickly ...or it’s not quick enough ...I’m not sure what to say about that tbh,I really do love the balance that the new system creates between each type of player their is ...it’s real nice to test this system that really does make the people it truly effects feel like they are not grinding or rushing to get enough candles before they run out of time . Anyways night everyone again 😂 ..take care 🤍

[silent lily]

That's actually so great
You spend half of the time collecting 3.5 Candles, while you collected alot more in the other half.
So, just not getting 3 extra Candles is saving half of your cr time, isnt that great?

[spark lance]

the little flames from the candles are really big and it's kinda cute

[random gull]

I love the chonky flames so much

[stone topaz]

yes and no.

the problem is that the current daily max is NOT the same as before.

[spark lance]

oo and they changed the menu again :D

I'm trying to follow the discussion...my main concern is not so much the rate of Light accumulation, I think it is a great idea. My concern is with multiple folks saying they did full realm candle runs and come out with only 15.5 in total.

[silent lily]

But afair , it was bold written in beta updates that the amount of Candles forged is the same

[desert mango]

I got 18 candles for full run maybe .5 too .. night night

[spark lance]

I meant what tgc pointed out in the news channel early peek
Lemme show u a qoute which we can discuss which I'm not sure if it's linked to the new forge thingy or not

( As it currently stands, farming Light every day takes a lot of time. Dedicated players must revisit all of the realms again and again, memorizing candle and Darkness plant locations, in order to optimize candle forging for each day. While there can be a temporary sense of achievement in completing candle runs, it’s not an enriching experience to do the same thing over and over again)

[vapid briar]

visual guides are okay, but leave numbers off them, or make a large disclaimer that "these values are subject to change and/or are for testing purposes only" or something to that effect.

[spark lance]

Waa I'm loving this new candle system rn

[pure path]

I'll put a huge watermark on it next time saying
"NUMBERS SUBJECT TO CHANGE"

[vapid briar]

the idea is that we don't have 1000 charts shared that say first 5 candles are 25 wax to forge, then we do a tuning pass and that number changes, but someone stumbles across that inaccurate guide and grows frustrated because they feel misled.

[spark lance]

I do wonder why they decided to have 4000 sizes though

[peak socket]

I'm curious about the new candle forging system. But work first and then I can play.

[vapid briar]

Because we don't want players to choose their exact height.

[pure path]

A little off topic but the slowmode is a filthy non-prime number
Tysm

[spark lance]

Well that makes a lot of sense but isn't 4000 being a little generous

[spark lance]

We would all be max height or chibi, I imagine.

[silent lily]

is tgc trying to tell us something with the number 4000?
4+0+0+0=4, there are 4 spirits in Season of dreams
Moreover
4-0-0-0=4 again 4, omg

[random gull]

ah 59 seconds much bbetter! and I def spent a lot of resize potions to get to be smol and gremlin size

[stone topaz]

I see a lot more variety heights among my friends after the 4000 heights change. Feels more natural

[spark lance]

Me too. Dozens, but to get max height. I don't think I made it but, I gave up when I never met anyone taller.

[stark sundial]

is like the "I love you 3000" they love us 4000 :v

[spark lance]

That's true

[lusty light]

There’s always been 4000 different heights, it’s just that misinformation had spread so far people thought it was only 14

[pure path]

No do the other one Kai

[stone topaz]

really? I thought it was only 12 heights before

[vapid briar]

There's an interview with Jenova about player height, where he explained exactly that concern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih0zkg9x048&feature=youtu.be&t=406

[lusty light]

That number comes from a fanmade guide and they were wrong

[spark lance]

I thought it was 14 base heights with 4000 variations if that makes sense? Idk I'm not good with words

[desert token]

if the valley races end up rewarding less than a normal candle, should that be reported as a bug then? or is my brain reading this wrong? I’m just confused since I’ve seen players report getting one candle on both max boost and lower teirs (and I myself got a lot less with one triangle thingy I forgot the word for)

[tiny umbra]

@spark lance
Ohhhhh th- ok,
Yes you can talk about intended changes but this channel is more focused on testing what we have,
And yes, that line is linked to the new forge thingy since it’s the issue that we’re currently trying to correct, how much time you’re putting in sky, and how much is too much

[silent lily]

I think they have so many heights Because They don't want Players to be like "oh i wannna be tall now" like they don't want Players to target a Height, resizes are fun potions that are just meant for a little new surprise
It's 4000 so that the chance of getting your desired height is slim i.e. 1 in 4000

[vapid briar]

This wasn't an in-game change there's always been that many heights, the player-made guide was always wrong.

[spark lance]

I guess it became more obvious when they corrected it

[tiny umbra]

There was a change earlier back that made it so that it was more obvious that you changed heights after you took a potion

[stone topaz]

wow my mind is nuclearly bombed. Thank you so much. I am gonna tell all of my friends

[desert token]

since there’s such little difference it’s impossible to tell if you’re actually size 1.44 or 1.46 - which means tons of assumptions were made about how resizes worked

[random gull]

I love telling my friends we are one pixel height apart I honestly have no idea if that's true or not though

[hollow compass]

I am not sure I really have anything to contribute to this new candle collecting system, because I never do cr anymore and when I did do them, the game was much smaller. I don't think I can dedicate much time in the coming days to thoroughly test it either, because of work all the way up to Christmas. It would be more a theoretical feedback.

[vapid briar]

We allowed the player-made guide to exist because it was an easy visual representation for players to understand how height works in Sky, but we started getting complaints that players couldn't achieve a certain height after using resize 5 times, which statistically speaking if there were only 14 heights, the chances would be very very high to get your desired height. so we took unpinned the guide and replaced it with our official messaging that there are 4000 heights in Sky, which mean 5/4000 attempts to get the height you want and failing to do so makes more sense.

[spark lance]

Ok I'll be back in an hour to open the topic for discussion here so people can think and make their mind to provide tgc with feedbacks

[vapid briar]

That's okay! your input is still valuable. this feature will be on beta a good long while as we make adjustments and work on other coinciding features.

[minor falcon]

I like the old community height chart for quick reference categories

[random gull]

Belpita just reminded me I still haven't checked the timer on the second season quest since it got updates aaahhh

[tiny umbra]

The second season timer is much more forgiving now, but still oof

[hollow compass]

I remember doing the quest in the first version 4 times before I got the hang of it. It's challenging, but not impossible. But the longer timer is probably better for most players.

[spark lance]

I hope I didn't make anyone think I was complaining about the height system- I really like it I was just curious

[stark sundial]

this new candle run system also affects orbit wax? I think it depends with how many spirits have you relive memories so I'm curious, sorry if this was answered before

[tiny umbra]

If someone wants to make the sacrifice, run Eden, and see

[serene steppe]

Hii anybody can explain me better the new cr run system?....

[vapid briar]

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

[hollow compass]

The thing with the new candle system is that wax collectingn will be more individually based now, won't it? If I happened to have spent some time in Prairie collecting some wax while doing seasonal quests, for example, and I join a friend in Wasteland, I will start at a different level than them, if they just signed into the game.

[vapid briar]

Yeah, in the end, it'll be up to you if you want to join your friend in Wasteland because you want to hang out with them, not because it's the most efficient way to get your Light that day.

[pure path]

Are there plans to change the quests any more, if we could know? Asking because I heard people complaining they are hard to figure out. I procrastinated doing them for weeks, then it just turned into "eh I'll do them near the end for a clear view" and I've been dodging the spoilers like Neo in Matrix.
Figured I'd leave better feedback if I see the quests for the first time after they get all alterations... Maybe I'm overthinking and I should just do them tho?

[tiny umbra]

Oh, I always liked the participation award for doing the valley races, one candles regardless of how much you got or if you were first

[hollow compass]

It will definitely change how people interact and the ubering system will also be affected. Could be both good and bad, I suppose.

[vapid briar]

deliberately not testing things we ask people to test means we're missing out on your personal experience. This goes into the same reason we ask people not to post guides.

[spark lance]

No one burning the big plants now

[stone topaz]

I am gonna reach +2.000 one day.

[pure path]

So I am overthinking it cri

[vapid briar]

Because if everyone relies on a guide to find content, we have no way of knowing things are hard to find, which means we won't know to move things so they are more intuitive.

[hollow compass]

Personally, I love seeing how quests develop over time in beta. That's always been my experience in beta from the start; testing, reviewing, testing again.

[random gull]

I always panic when I teleport to friends to hang out and they are not in home space because I feel like I'm interrupting and go straight back home so I join friends for adventures by coordinating outside of sky

[tiny umbra]

I don’t know if the “uber system” will be hit that badly cause many do it willingly, and I think they’ll understand if some people get more candles than the others in the group, but I guess we’ll see

[vapid briar]

Guides are great! However, for us devs, especially in beta guides actually damage our ability to ensure things are intuitive for the average player who doesn't look at guides and tries to explore purely on intuition.

[hollow compass]

Yes, I think for candle runs people will have to coordinate outside of the game, if everyone wants to get the same amount of wax out of it.

[spark lance]

Now i understand this aspect of this candle system,i really appreciate it because now people who actually want to hang out woth us will join us and not the one who just wanted to tag along because they needed wax without doing anything

[vestal patio]

In general I believe that the quests and spirits for this season are easy to find without a guide but the winglights are a bit more difficult, which is understandable!! I haven’t looked at any guides besides the prices of the spirits so I can say it is balanced!!

[hollow compass]

Maybe I shouldn't mention the uber system, since I haven't really used it. But I understood that people would guide others on cr (and also wl collecting) in the most efficient way. But with this system being more individual, there is no one efficient way of farming anymore.

[vernal nexus]

Do anyone know what is the season of dream quest giver?

[ocean verge]

i've never talked in beta channels, hi future

[stone topaz]

u need to be fixed

[hollow compass]

What do you mean? The quest giver is standing at Home right now. Or do you mean who she is in the story?

[vernal nexus]

@hollow compass yes

[vapid briar]

Ideally, there's nothing stopping ubers from guiding people because that's what they enjoy, the activity instead of the reward, but for people who ask for ubers might end up doing things less efficiently.

[ocean verge]

livi is on live and asks in beta because when she asked in live chat they said go to beta

[stoic crow]

seeing the candle system change like this really makes me think on how we have developed how players run candle routes. it was never my conscious decision to memorise a realm, but the way candles were set up means i know how to do one in what i believe is the most efficient way. i just think it's interesting as a concept

[hollow compass]

Ok, but I don't understand the question, sorry.

[vernal nexus]

The standing at home,is that the mother

[ocean verge]

livi wants to know who will be the season of dream's quest giver

[stoic crow]

lore (especially spirit lore) is pretty vague, it's up to your interpretation on if they are or not

[tiny umbra]

The qg for the season is the one in the rhythm mask in the season trailer, as for their role in the story ? Up to you, many here sees them as a mother to the skater

[hollow compass]

I think that's up for interpretation? Some people feel it's the mother, others feel it's the skating girl.

[vapid briar]

the non-seasonal quest giver looks like this the Dreams season guide isn't available yet.

^little bigger

[spark lance]

i wanna squish the spirits they just look so squishy and cute

[stoic crow]

there's definitely images of the qg in #beta-screenshots-videos if you'd like to have a look (but there will be a lot of spoilers)

[hasty vessel]

right? i think it’s natural for everyone to try and find the quickest most easiest way to complete something. this change in farming is truly outstanding though, i really support this move thank you TGC!

[minor falcon]

the dreams guide will be different

[hollow compass]

I think the Prairie spirits are my favourites. I love their looks, their stories and just everything about them.

[zenith wasp]

Ohhhhh the dreams season guide will be different ?

[tiny umbra]

Right the off season qg is not a chibi they are very tall ✨

[kindred fossil]

they're as short as the rhythm guide...

[tiny umbra]

Taller than us*

[vapid briar]

Players will always try to optimize for the most efficient use of their time for the maximum reward, and that's 100% okay. What our job as devs is to provide options for those who want to maximize fun instead maximize reward. For some max reward=max fun.

[kindred fossil]

true, or prophecy guide isn't normal, weird dog

[feral girder]

Very true, many times have I felt like it was a chore to go candle running and couldn't interact with my friends

[stoic crow]

i don't do much ubering anymore (i used to do a lot on live) mainly because it was with people who i didn't know, but if my friends want to come then i'll be happy to lead

most of my sky experience is solo, my irl friends don't play (sky is too powerful for their phones ) so i go on a lot of candle runs by myself. honestly this system doesn't really affect me in terms of hanging out with my friends, it never did

[orchid nexus]

@midnight vector The place to talk about that is not in this server.

[fluid quail]

[stone topaz]

this spirit is my all time favorite. Does he have a name?

Spirit Friend? based on the emote name

[hasty vessel]

100% as someone who has completed full candle runs for 4-6 months straight it became monotonous and tiring, almost like a second job, the fact that myself and a lot of players can gain a substantial amount of candles by just completing 2 realms is a blessing

[spark lance]

I just go candle running for money and to admire Sky scenery and since I don't have friends this system doesn't affect me either but it's still cool

[stoic crow]

for money? like candles?

[spark lance]

yes candle money

[stoic crow]

for a moment i thought people commissioned you to uber them and i-

[median oyster]

Wait so this new system is basically: the more wax you get the less they’re worth?

Could someone explain it to me?

[stoic crow]

hmm, i can link some diagrams from ss and vids if you'd like to look
also ayy the slowmode's back down

[prime lintel]

basically you'll just forge wax faster at the beginning and then forge slower the more you collect and play

[spark lance]

It's more like actually running irl, you start off fast but over time you get tired, so in a sense you get candles quickly in the beginning, but towards the end you're "tired" and the forging speed slows down B)

[median oyster]

I did notice that the wax were huge

[stoic crow]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
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[median oyster]

Oh this new system is neat

[valid terrace]

We talking spirits?

all spirits are my friend

[valid terrace]

All I want is the ability to give them hugs
though that’s probably a stupid thing to suggest

[cloud yacht]

ok so what ive gathered with my peanut brain is that basically at the start the wax is like, its worth even more (in a way) so you get like, double the wax you got before with that same amount, but by the time since u get tired the wax is not the same like, worth, and it gets more hard to get another candle but since u got so much more at the start is still the same amout of Full Candles at the end, just. less hard to get at the start.
idk if i make sense

[median oyster]

That sounds right

[stark knot]

Probably not as much as double, but you've got the overall concept. And don't forget that the final amount will remain the same if you are after all available wax.

[cloud yacht]

yeah, not double! but just a way to say it bc i dont have better words sjdbsbd

[tiny umbra]

I think if you accept a hug from a friend at the same time as they do and you position yourself correctly next to a spirit you’ll be able to hug them but they won’t hug you back

[kindred fossil]

they're justing standing there 🧍

[median oyster]

A one sided hug

[median spoke]

I just sent this message in beta feedback but I would like to know what anyone else thinks about it: Would it be possible to adapt the candle run to encourage play-breaks? For instance: rapid candle forging for 20-30 minutes OR per one realm, then steady decrease. If player stops forging for 20-30 minutes, rapid forging returns. Overall, the time to collect all wax would remain the same or slightly longer, but 10-12 candles could be collected in 3 realms if 3 breaks are taken. Or something like that. It would be nice to be encouraged to visit with friends between realms and not feel the clock ticking. Dash through a realm. Visit (or put device down and get involved irl). Dash through a realm. Visit. Dash, collect 10-12 candles, clock out feeling happy and refreshed.

[valid terrace]

Can spirits feel a proper range of things?
I assume so from cutscenes - doing multiple emotes

[kindred fossil]

it's actually hilarious when it comes to popular guides, it's basically "if i just stand still they'll eventually go away..."

[stark knot]

Probably, but it sounds pretty complex to code. Also, the goal isn't to enforce breaks, but to decrease the feeling of forced farming (for each of us to play at our desired pace)

[kindred fossil]

anyhow, i like this new system so far. i'm slowly starting to cut out wasteland from my runs in live, but sometimes i have to because i wouldn't want to miss out if wasteland happens to have quests/bonuses

[median oyster]

This system is actually making me cr in beta

[royal elm]

man I, did not expect the yeti sheet to be that fast I'll still probably learn it tho

seriously I saw the notes and before I could tap it I was already like 20 notes behind

[median oyster]

I’m going to buy it today ;>_>

[valid terrace]

Is the horn part of yeti sheet disappointing?

[royal elm]

sorry, I only have string and percussion so I wouldn't know

[tiny umbra]

The horn part of the yeti is just as fast as the rest of the sheet

[royal elm]

ill learn to play your music yeti, just you wait

[valid terrace]

funny that my dream instrument I don’t have is the flute, and that apparently has the same part as horn

[spark lance]

One day...

[median oyster]

Aight I got the music sheet

Holy—

[spark lance]

i wanna discuss this if it's ok for u to hangout here for a little while, I'll try to open this discussion in an organized way so other people can join us too.

[tiny umbra]

All wind instruments have the same part, includes horn, flute, panpipe
The bass harp has its own part because it be like that

[median oyster]

Besides the insane speed it sounds really cool

[valid terrace]

Ok I think the reason for this is

I’m a pianist in real life, so I’m not at all accustomed to playing in ensembles, and my real life musical experience carried over to Sky - I prefer to play solo as that’s just what I’m used to

and I don’t want to feel forced to be in groups - the sheets make horn seem ‘inferior’ (I know, accompaniment, but I have no personal experience with the concept) so it’s off-putting

I don’t like the sound of the Sky pianos for reasons I can’t quite word though so

Me in-game plays the horn solely because why not, and it has a lovely mellow timbre

[hollow compass]

I love the horn. It has a very Medieval, almost folk-style sound to it.

[valid terrace]

my absolute highest highest tier dream TS of all is High-Ten

[minor falcon]

sheets work best when played together, even the simplest roles come together to create something much greater than the sum of its parts (I've played in an orchestra and just, yes)

[spark lance]

Yes! The whole song has this medieval tavern feel to it for me.

[stark knot]

I'm not anyone special, devs do want feedback so feel free to discuss. I'm on and off throughout the day depending on work.

[valid terrace]

I love folk music of many kinds, I adore that sheet
speaking of, my spirit OC has a sheet, oh no

[spark lance]

what do you think is causing the lower 15 cap candle count after a full cr? the number of wax hasn't changed so what gives?

[valid terrace]

you ever just feel like you’re being annoying and come off as “talk about the topic I bring up or else”, because I do, but I don’t have enough of an opinion on the proposed wax gain system yet

[spark lance]

the cross out thing makes it hard to..read =,=
dont feel pressured to voice your feedback, but know its always welcome!

[valid terrace]

My opinion isn’t formed enough, I think
I need to think of a way to write it out, but I want to talk about other things too help

[desert token]

I don't like the idea of the boost returning over time simply because it would also force a specific way of farming and traversing the realms onto the player - if you stopped for 30 minutes to let your boost go up every time it decreased you could gain more candles than those who farmed for 1.5 hours straight. unless you adjusted for that I guess, but imho players themselves should feel a reward in taking breaks too in the value of spending time with friends or focusing on real life

[spark lance]

100% agree with the spirit of your suggestion. but I fear over time people will see the 30 min break mechanic as "one long cooldown" when some players would rather go full cr and be done with it

[hollow compass]

Having a timed cooldown may not work for players who can only play for a specific amount of time each day.

[spark lance]

I don’t know but the system is a work in progress. So I think it will change if that is the outcome for now

Its hard to fight the preference for efficiency with this kind of thing

[pastel galleon]

As someone who can't go on full CR very often I'm happy to get light for interacting with the world.

I think having the boost be daily is the best way. Extra candles for everyone and those who go on full CR won't be hindered

[spark lance]

agreed! as long as the candle count remains, this is a net + on paper

[toxic spruce]

The new system really discourage full cr which I guess is a good thing.

[vapid briar]

the boost resets daily, so there isn't an 'optimal time' to wait before you resume your farming on a given day.

[lean ivy]

Imo really isn't. But I'm a full cr so I'm probably biased

[spark lance]

its neutral on full cr. the "tired" mechanic only gives the perception of full cr being a more uphill battle than it is

[vapid briar]

it isn't meant to discourage it, but is designed to alleviate the feeling that doing a full CR is mandatory.

[lean ivy]

Absolutely. That's the impression I'm getting. I've said it before; it seems like punishment for putting in the extra hours

[toxic spruce]

I do full cr as well, but this new system kinda lets me have an excuse to not force myself to run isle or skip a random realm since I won’t miss out too much

[pastel galleon]

Some people enjoy doing full CR. My "full CR" skipped tons of areas and just was based around getting like 8 to 9 candles. If i can get 3 to 4 candles a day doing dailies and exploring the world in new ways, appreciating the beauty of the game that's fine with me. If you want 20+ a day do a full CE

[spark lance]

probably an unintentional byproduct unfortunately :(

[stark knot]

Allowing others to earn more candles for the amount of time they spend is not a punishment for those that spend more time

[spark lance]

For me today was a very nice candle run. I might be the average player who is content with 10/15 candles who TGC is thinking of. Busy irl and for the kids that hang out in Sky, they have more time to hang out.

[willow shale]

So no matter how long you spend on full CR, the maximum amount of candles would be the same as the people who don't collect them in one go?

[toxic spruce]

Yes that’s definitely what I feel, which is a good thing 😂 more time to mess around with friends

[desert token]

I completely agree with the current cooldown - I was simply responding to another person who brought it up in chat

[lean ivy]

I'm all for people who don't have the time getting more opportunities for candles; but this just seems... kinda bad? Like I'm putting my time in this and I don't support this change at all. I'm just saying - if people want to not spend 3+ hours candle running and are complaining about the time, maybe prices should be lowered..? Idk, I feel like this is TCG running from a better solution

[vapid briar]

ahh okay!

[pastel galleon]

Based off what's been said before this just seems like a catchup mechanic for those who don't grind. If you full CR you still get the same amount. This lets busy players (like me, i love sky, work full time, and am a single parent) not have to grind so hard

[rain shore]

Can i ask a question about something ive been noticing if its not too much of an interruption

[dusky tundra]

Since daily candles aren't changing.. That means isle of dawn and vault can give a lot of wax while wasteland can give less.
And also will Candle cakes give much lesser wax if collected when the skykid is completely tired?

[vapid briar]

the " better solution" is having the ability to reward people for doing social activities instead of solo grinding for Light. the social activities aren't implemented yet.

[spark lance]

Its not healthy grinding that hard to be honest. Every day (Sorry, i’m a mom )

Yeah, it's just the "feeling" of slowing to a crawl when collecting from the boost running out is all. You're technically getting the same amount of candles at the same rate when doing a full CR.

[vapid briar]

the current system doesn't really allow for dynamic activities without flooding the game economy in ways that could be irreparably damaging.

[lean ivy]

Ah, both you and @vapid briar are quite right. I know it's not very healthy, but as a semi-moth I feel like it's mandatory and needed in order to catch up. I just think that the new update would make me feel more frustrated with the system as is

[pulsar blade]

Would you mind guys. Its just my feeling. I dont understand the new candle system. It maybe good really. But since honestly i have a little candle saves and since i played too before the global launch thats maybe the reason. And the reason too why indont feel any pressure about it is because during i play. I just play. If i cant collect things i just wait and wait. “Grind” seems not a word yet for me. It just i just play or farm when i feel it. I tried yesterday the system. Well first impression. It fills the candle tank fast. Ummm. Maybe i will test it more to het the full gist of it. Help me to undertsand too.

[pastel galleon]

My guess for how this works mechanically. Is that the same light is given from everything. Your first 2 to 3 candles take less wax to fill everyday

[dusky tundra]

Hmmm

[tender oasis]

I will sit on this new system and thinking about it for a while until i manage to make a normal feedback. After i read the update i was quite happy about it, but after the first try, its a little bittersweet. I usually do full or nearly full cr, not because i need that much (in live), but because it’s a nice relax and place to fly and talk with friends (our average group size is 4 ppl) and we even get a bunch wax in the end.
I started in beta alone today, with 3 chevrons and were long down to 2 when others joined, and soon on one. If i was just after wax and effectivity at that point I wouldn’t really had any motivation to continue, now with friends. From the game’s perspective beside enjoying the company, i felt like the it didn’t reward the same exact effort we put into it at the end, it was “punishing” us still being there. I would prefer a gauss curve rather than an exponentially decreasing one, where you have to build up your effectiveness, but you will only return to the starting point at the end. Not starting high and getting lower and lower if you continue.

[stoic crow]

tfw your parents got a new ipad and it can actually run sky!!

[vapid briar]

So far, what has changed is the cost to forge a candle, the amount of Light in the realms hasn't changed...yet

[pastel galleon]

I see that as a net win

[spark lance]

I understand. I grinded as a moth too. But that is what every game is at its core. You want to level up and collect items. Its in our nature to want more after you earned something. Its very good that a game company like TGC thinks about grinding and such for the welbeing of their players.

[stark knot]

Cue dramatic music

[willow shale]

Yes i think making it a sort of a parabolic curve would work quite nicely to me

[opaque swan]

Honestly from my first experience with the new system today I was a little confused about how it works? I see the meter rising more than it usually does but is it actually effective?

[stoic crow]

sky defaults to 1 handed mode?? that's so weird

[lusty light]

It’s 2 handed mode on phone and 1 handed mode on tablets

[lean ivy]

Very true. I do think that TCG should practice what they preach, however. Like with the suggestion that you should be rewarded for interacting with others - that could work. But as a predominantly solo cr grinder, this new* system... is punishment in my eyes at best. I definitely think this should be worked on

[tiny umbra]

Sky defaults to one handed on iPads and bigger devices, and two handed on phones,
(One handed superiority )

[toxic spruce]

From my understanding this new system is really good for those who can’t play too long everyday and makes no difference for those who full cr... but after reading some previous conversations it seems ppl only get 15 candles after full cr so

[unique vapor]

currently 150 candlelights is required to forage one candle, with the new system, the first five candles only requires 70 lights and the fifth to tenth requires 150 (which is the usual speed), tenth to fifteenth requires 300. so basically, if you were to forage 15 candles you require 15*150＝2250 candle lights. with the new system you need 70x5+150x5+300x5=2600

[lusty light]

This is not supposed to be the case and I’ve been asking everyone who experiences this to report it

[spark lance]

can you help me understand what you mean by punishment?

[stark knot]

Recall that it is day one of testing

[dusky tundra]

Why can't the light awaits quests be brought back? They were so unique and varied like change your dress etc.
Also, the multiplayer quests and the other special quests like the dead bird in valley can be brought back.
They would really make the game more varied and dynamic

[spark lance]

Im a solo wanderer myself too and I play with my son. So i get what you are saying. Best thing about this beta system is that its not the end product yet. We can send feedback and they can make changes to fit a little better. I believe TGC wil hear you about this

[lean ivy]

With the whole thing with the slowing down as it goes on - it seems rewarding for those who don't full cr because you get a LOT for so little at first and you can be done with it. For full cr, at least of my understanding, it becomes slower as a process and less rewarding as time goes on. Plus the 15.5 candle bug

[lusty light]

A bug isn’t punishment..,.

[spark lance]

On another note, I hope a future candle daily quest includes snapping a picture or playing hide & seek hehe

[opaque swan]

I changed my tablet to two handed mode haha

[pulsar blade]

Lets say for players not to feel the pressure. Focus on the things you really want. I know guys majority are youtube vievers in order to look for the items thats suited for you. Focus on the things you want one by one. If you want to experience a full season and you really want items. Try complete a full season. To be honest i dont even have staff or even completed all 100% constellations so instill have so many to complete. Why. Becuase i dont feel the need yet. If i completed it, my own gameplay gets boring.

[tender oasis]

I think punishment was more like a lack of reward towards those who has a different playing style or different goals in game not just the social side.

[mystic umbra]

I have a question, it might be dumb. But say you run full candle run and you fill up 100/600 wax of the last tier candle. Does this mean when reset happens that you would then have a candle? Since the first tier is 75 wax per candle?

[unique vapor]

i guess this system is good for those who doesn’t have enough time to grind. i personally am in yr 11 and there are so much school work that i don’t have enough time to farm in sky. I guess it is unfair for those who candle runs every day and farm full map

[elder musk]

I think the “grindiness” have really picked up after the TS system. So when making changes on the “earning” side, I think changes on the “spending” side will be needed, too, i.e. lower the in-game currency cost of some items. If we had this new system in Live, with 2 TS in December, Days of Feast event and new Level 2 capes, I would feel punished for doing a full cr just because I would like those cosmetics that were released in one go with a time limit on them and costing a small in-game fortune.

[pulsar blade]

Ps. Dont forget the friendships more important too

[lean ivy]

Tysm! I'm glad you understand ❤

And @lusty light , I know, but my initial reaction to this is "I'm at a disadvantage now because I put in 2-3+ hours into cr and it gets progressively more difficult as i go on. Difficulty increasing as you become more dedicated isn't exactly a reward...

[opaque swan]

Same! I've been focusing my day on schoolwork to up my grades, sky can take atleast 4 hours out of my day becuase of constant distraction etc it can be tiring

[lusty light]

I wouldn’t say it’s a punishment though, theoretically you’d be getting the exact same candles in the same amount of time

[spark lance]

Note that the tired mechanic is in tandem to gaining more near the beginning. If you time your cr, it will be the same, despite the "feeling" of slowing down. its just a byproduct that does not affect the actual time played.

[lusty light]

Ktjn has said that most players get less than half of the amount of free candles daily, they’re going to make changes to help those majority of players

[dusky tundra]

Best alternative to this system:

Nitro spell which can be bought with ascended candles and can be stacked on top one another upto 3 spells..
Blazing fast speed run, fast completion, less grinding :joy: :joy: :joy:

[unique vapor]

lowering the price of travelling spirit will then be unfair for players who already purchased the items tho

[lusty light]

The devs have and still are making adjustments to traveling spirit prices

[spark lance]

Pricing is tricky business. I promise you its not nearly as easy as it sounds to balance the economics of it all

[unique vapor]

hey read this message i calculated everything

[lean ivy]

@spark lance @lusty light , you both bring up really good points. I'll definitely be awaiting any tweaks to this system. My opinion about prices still stands, however.

[pulsar blade]

My goal in the game is 1234 1234 1234

[lusty light]

Ktjn has said not to make guides with exact numbers like this, things are going to change and this will spread and cause misinformation

[spark lance]

I understand the temptation, trust me. but its important to take into account what are not obvious repercussions in lowering prices.

[opaque swan]

In live I have the issue of that i can't farm every realm and 9 times outta 10 I'm slipping wasteland, vault and Isle becuase I really just don't have enough time to do it

[dusky tundra]

I feel prices really spiked up starting from shrug spirit..
The recent TS, the guitar TS cape isn't worth 65 candles and the mask isn't worth 42 camfles

[pulsar blade]

The last group is attainable maybe a yeats more

[spark lance]

Its important to remember it might not be exactly what you want. Pricing, Candle run systeem. But can be good enough. Take a little/give a little. For solo wanderers it might just be a very nice incentive to do something social for candles. Although its scary, its rewarding

[unique vapor]

this is beta discussion tho and it’s about beta, i’m not spreading this around or anything. it’s just facts so ppl can have a better understanding of what’s happening

[lean ivy]

I might not understand the entire scope of things, especially considering I'm not a veteran in any meaning of the word (Joined in the middle of Sanctuary), but now with the growing fan base Sky has - they need to take into account the price increases

[mystic umbra]

Can someone explain how reset works BC I’m confused 🥺 do you still have wax in your candle? is it based on % completed or

[spark lance]

dont go was rough..maybe that was just a particularly expensive spirit?

[dusky tundra]

Get krilled 5 times quest: reward 2 candles.
Lose a star from a crab strike: reward 1 candle.
:joy:

[tender oasis]

You do get the same amount at the end, but it’s not the same feeling starting at the top and going down, as getting it evenly. I’m not against the system at all personally but for me this wax collecting curve is definitely does feel a little demoralizing if i want to do more than what’s effective. Also srry for late reply i’m slow

[dusky tundra]

Not really, it was about 30 candles less pricey last time.. the guitar price didn't change tho

[toxic spruce]

The cape and mask got a big increase of cost

[unique vapor]

how much are the items now?

[dusky tundra]

I hope they don't spike crab call prices and sell juggler TS at 200 candles

[spark lance]

This is very complex and also very very hard to keep everyone happy. With the history of paying veterans, later release on android. TS not locked behind AP. Im sure TGC is on it behind the scenes but that is a tough one to tackle

[spark lance]

yeah who knows, they're feeling the waters I guess. I do hope it doesnt reach over 200 candles either. the thought of that is painful lol.

[lusty light]

Even if you’re making for beta, Ktjn has still said not to do it. Even if you are not the one to spread it outside of beta others will

[vast bay]

Ktjn

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

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[toxic spruce]

Yea same 200 is close to the max of candles you can get in 2 weeks

[vast bay]

Ktjn

Guides are great! However, for us devs, especially in beta guides actually damage our ability to ensure things are intuitive for the average player who doesn't look at guides and tries to explore purely on intuition.

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[low parrot]

They have a point tho, since this is the beta discussion plus it is helpful to make calculations on how much you acquire so that other players would be able to understand it easily. They're just telling it here

[lean ivy]

Wait - do the races not reward candles in live or in beta?

[lusty light]

There is still a reward

[dusky tundra]

Hmm.. the new system means that I can finally skip valley flying race 😂 👍

[lean ivy]

Ah, thank you. I just read from Ktjn and thought it applied

[gusty dust]

Issue: TS.needs large sum.of.candles = people running full candle running Other issue not.full candle running because of time.isues

[toxic spruce]

65 cape, 42 mask, 75 guitar. Previous was 36 mask, 36 cape (sry for late reply forgot the old prices)

[lusty light]

Just a reminder we are a very small minority, we may have our own opinions and ideas on what to change, but the developers have the analytics on all players and that’s what they are going to base these decisions on

Most people do not grind for candles for traveling spirits

[gray forum]

I heard there is a cave in the new area, where is that? Does anyone know of a map for the new area?
Also, I’m having trouble with the third memory..I’m supposed to collect the light? When it shows up, it’s hard to collect them all. Or they never appear..anyone else have this issue?

[unique vapor]

ahhhh okie ty, do you know the price for antler and the snowflake cape?

[low parrot]

It's both 15 USD

[lusty light]

Those cost real money

[toxic spruce]

Both are 14.99 usd iirc and yes irl money

[spark lance]

The thing is to me. And I found that hard also. But ultimately got to see it that way. Players have to think about what they really want instead of wanting everything every TS has. They wil come back and their items too. You don’t need a new outfit/items every two weeks with also a season running, right?

[unique vapor]

yeah i got them in beta not sure if they changed the price of it or anything just checking haha

[spark lance]

Anyone else find this upcoming candle tier system super sweet? Normally game companies put MORE time-sink systems in place, but TGC is actively working AGAINST their main time-sink system

[spark lance]

yeah its hard to account for all the demographics.

Still I'd assume that the pricing design encourages that its possible to obtain them as they come, but idk much about it.

[lusty light]

Ktjn said that most people buy candles upfront for the spirits, so for testing they tried making it that you need to have an adventure pass to get certain items from the spirit, it would make the company less money according to them
We don’t know what will come of that system though

[elder musk]

They are called the “extreme users” in user experience design, and they are a very important group to understand. I would not discount the feelings and experience of those players who do full cr for whatever reason.

[vapid briar]

Hi all!

I want to remind people to avoid posting charts and wax values per candle per tier as these numbers are subject to change as we balance this feature.

What is most valuable to us right now is people giving feedback on their experience with this system, not the numbers.

Visual guides are okay, but please leave numbers off the charts/graphs. If you absolutely need to have numbers to explain your chart, please make a large disclaimer: "these values are subject to change and/or are for testing purposes only" or something to that effect.

We don't want to have to track down and delete dozens of charts shared that give exact values every time we do a tuning pass and those numbers change. The goal is to avoid players stumbling across those outdated, inaccurate guides and grows frustrated because they feel misled.

This is the same expectation we have regarding maps, price charts, and other information that is subject to change with every new build until the dev team has decided on a final design. If players are struggling to find or understand things in beta—it is vital for us to know so we can improve the experience so players don't feel compelled to search for guides.

We appreciate those who take time to create guides to help others understand but we want to make sure their understanding is based on accurate information, which is challenging when the correct information is rapidly changing during development.

[lusty light]

Text wall

[low parrot]

I think the reason why the other ts items are expensive is due to the season they are in plus how much seasonal candles you will convert to the price for regular ones but not in the 1:1 ratio. Like the older the season the ts is plus how expensive they were with the seasonal candles the devs are still trying to balance the price that it really worth

[spark lance]

Yeah I know about that running system. imo that would seriously help ease up on my candle grind but im more than aware of the arguments against it. fine with whatever decision ends up happening

[stark knot]

Yeah, what is with this deliberate attempt to to reduce revenue? Or is it reverse psychology, and having more candles puts casual players closer to goals that cause them to buy yet more candles? Sneaky TGC!

[crude turret]

I do full cr because
I have time (most people don't even tho I have much work as anyone too )
I want everything i like from most ts
And the amount of candles clash exactly with ts+friends+ occasional main constellations
So I think ye
I like this new system nonetheless, even if it won't have such an impact in my kind of playstyle

[vapid briar]

this is true, and we do take that into consideration, however, it's important to understand those extreme users are also the extreme minority. The representation in the server of those types of players is significantly disproportionate to how many are a part of the entire playerbase.

[spark lance]

I do full candle runs for the items I really want. I grind and get lost in a game. But I think it shouldnt be the norm for a game to serve those extreme needs

[vapid briar]

Our goal is to ensure those extreme players aren't damaged by this change, but due to the nature of their extreme playstyle, they aren't the category of players who will most benefit from this change.

[spark lance]

Fair enough for them to build around their majority. not easy to walk that line of helping that end while preserving the other

[toxic spruce]

I do full crs even tho I rarely ever buy out TS, many of my candles if not on TS or constellation is on friendship stuff and friending new moth chans

[tiny nacelle]

i personally do full CRs because its a goal of mine to collect as many items from past seasons as i can-

[lean ivy]

Exactly my train of thought

[crude turret]

It's just a thought of mine but... I think the amount of candles and prices for ts and other things actually makes much sense, even the super expensive days of feast table
That is only if we look at "you can get up to 18 candles a day" instead of "you can get up to 18 candles a day farming for 2-4 hours"
And I find it lovely that TGC makes plans to help the majority of players, I wish the company can go forward with this style of live and business for many more years

[spark lance]

I also enjoy collecting over time im a very visual player. Sky's design in past seasons is fun to explore through TS. having it feels like im paying tribute in a weird way. Doesnt beat actually being in a season live though 👀

[willow shale]

I'm a full CR person, usually i spend 2 hours a day to do so and just wondering, if i keep doing full CR after this change, is full CR still gonna take 2 hours? Or is it gonna take more time than that?

[lusty light]

It should be the same

[spark lance]

Krilltjn makes a good, eye-opening point more should realize; im betting a lot of the active players on discord make up the extreme player minority. if there's anything I want more than things being easy for me is for Sky to ensure their future

[willow shale]

Thanks Seraph if the time is the same then I think more player will accept this change

[slow narwhal]

Basically doesn’t help if players peel off due to burnout from repetition and end up quitting altogether. Better that people are playing and sticking around for reasons they enjoy instead of for the grind.

[random gull]

I seriously don’t understand why anyone thinks this punishes the extreme players in any way. you get the same amount of candle as before if you’re doing a full run anyways and this doesn’t change the amount of time it takes you to do a run because the wax locations haven’t changed. this helps people like me so much though. I was able to do prairie only before I had to take a break. I only get full runs when I have an uber. but I have more candles today than I’ve had in a long time because of this system

[tough oracle]

Yea I think also what -at this moment- comes into play for many of us is that it’s a lot of events one after the other, which makes it more stressful. I do full crs as well, and before double heart event I was able to spend about 6-8 candles a day on friendship/main constellation stuff AND get the ts. Now... I even catch myself sometimes not wanting to unlock a friendship level because I’m trying to save for the next event

[toxic spruce]

I totally agree, before I never thought theres actually players who would buy out seasons and get candles packs for TS but after all these discussions and observations, there actually many who do these kind of things. Trying to convince my friends about this but it’s hard lol

[deft belfry]

is it possible to have 300 winged lights? because I saw someone flexing it on insta lol

[wind panther]

I would like to know, did the celebration spirit memory in valley (w the piano) become shorter? Because I didn't realize loooool i just caught one memory scene, idk

[spark lance]

I want bearhug for ALL my friends :u

[median oyster]

I thought that this new system was a really good addition. If you really need those extra candles you can spend more time, if not then you can still get more candles than you usually can

[toxic spruce]

Mmm don’t think so from last time I checked...

[median oyster]

Definitely not. Max right now is 154 for iOS iirc

[vapid briar]

and if it's not the same, we want to know about that in #beta-feedback so we can make adjustments. We expect to have to make several balancing adjustments around this system before we'd consider releasing to Live. It's still the first 24 hours of this system debuting in Beta. We want the dust to settle a little before we start making changes.

Players tend to have very emotionally driven reactions because change is scary before giving the change a chance to breathe so it can be experienced first hand and understood better. Once it's had a little time to roll around in everyone's mind for a little while we can start looking at the data along side the feedback and making adjustments.

[deft belfry]

I thought so because I looked thru the comments and everyone was praising them and amazed, I was just there like 🤨

[spark lance]

yeah !

[median oyster]

Man I can already imagine the fan art of the new cosmetics

[crude turret]

Instead of "punishing extreme players" it just... doesn't affect extreme players, instead it helps the big majority of thousands-I-dont-know-how-many () players

[tough oracle]

Overall I have to say the new system feels like a big improvement. I have some friends who really struggle with the pressure to do full crs and rather just enjoy running around playing with krills, and they will love this stress relief that they can run a few realms and get some more candles. Moreover, the option will always be there if you do want full candle pockets you can just do full cr as always

[lusty light]

Ktjn that ping made me think I said smth wrong

[deft belfry]

oof

[placid linden]

Graveyard is such a pain without home trick omg, actually so hard to burn that tree

[willow shale]

Yeah tbh for some reason I thought full CR is gonna take more time now that we have this new system. But after realizing it does not Im pretty ok with the change too. Just that I kind of hope tgc makes each level contain more candles though(more than 5) because the maximum number of candles you can farm each day is 22 I believe, and when you get past 15 its gonna be REALLY hard to keep collecting more

[median oyster]

I’ve never burned that tree w/o home trick

[royal venture]

I hope they will make more candles in general, cause I don't really see a point in not doing it. Hehe, just joking

[deft belfry]

just hope for server merge lolol!

[placid linden]

Servers aren’t merging though

[finite frost]

One of my friends told me that we will have to pay to get items from ts is this true???

[tiny nacelle]

the change is good for both parties, the casual players AND the "extreme" players. those who dont have the time to do full CRs will get more candles than they normally would, and the players who do full runs would still get their usual amount of candles. i think this new system is honestly really nice, i do hope it ends up going to live in the future

[crude turret]

Instead of benefiting the extreme players it just doesn't affect them actually

[lusty light]

It will! That’s why they released a dev article on it. It’s just that it’s going to take a while for all of the changes and adjustments

[finite frost]

Because apparently it’s unfair to the people who bought APs and they would have to get the season passes

[lusty light]

We are testing a system in beta where you need a pass to get past pass exclusive items yes. This doesn’t mean it will go live

We have been testing traveling spirit price adjustments for months

[tough oracle]

Home trick still works from emote menu (for now)

[willow shale]

For the season passes, what if youve already gotten one from when the season is still here, but just didnt manage to complete the season. Do you still have to pay for TS if you bought it before?

[crude turret]

Home trick is actually supposed not to exist so I would try not to get too much attached to it anymore

[tiny nacelle]

the TS adventure pass system would require the pass for the ongoing season i think?

[spark lance]

system is a dream come true for pass players but will hurt f2p as is in testing, yeah.

[exotic spear]

Is the hairstyle on the quest giver ever been available before? Cause I love it

[lusty light]

Please read #beta-announcements

[median oyster]

I think it was the sparkler spirit hair

[wind panther]

I think is the sparkle emote Belonging one, i hope I'm rigbt

[kindred fossil]

it is

[placid linden]

@tough oracle good to know, some Kai griefed me and i lost 6 wings

[exotic spear]

Oh that’s great news. Thank you. I need to study the passed seasons I was unfortunate to miss👀

[crude turret]

That's why we thought of having the discount for those who have the pass and the normal prices of the ts for people who doesn't have the pass
You know, personally I would still like to pay for each individual item even if I have a pass, because buying one and getting two is just too much like... a gift, a cheat if we put it like that, I dunno

[tiny nacelle]

the pass discount would be ideal, as neither party would be upset (id hope)

[crude turret]

People will still be upset with anything we do and there's nothing we can do

[median oyster]

You can’t satisfy everyone, but I do think that it’s an interesting idea

[toxic spruce]

Same for me, sometimes I don’t want the one of the items like why do I needa buy the jelly hair for the pants when I only want the pants or the other way round

[spark lance]

I see the 2 in 1 thing suggested a lot as a tweak: ts items remain candle priced for non-AP users, while being free for AP users. sounds like a seamless compromise but maybe im missing smth

[tiny nacelle]

im not sure how hard it would.be to code in a discount for AP holders, though- thats the only thing i could think would be a problem with the whole "discount" idea

[crude turret]

of course if I'm candle short I would like to buy from that system but if I had both options available, that would be beautiful for my playstyle

[gusty dust]

Didnt they have it so when u buy the pass there has to be somecode that detects u are a pass user for this season then last

[empty river]

i dont think any of us have that info

[wind panther]

If they add the pass discount, they should start preorder of next AP immediately when the season ends right? Because sometimes the TS doesn't match with preorder period or season period, or idk, does they?

[gusty dust]

Or else there is no way for them to always throw us a daily candle either that is not linked to the account

[tiny nacelle]

RIGHT i forgot about this- in between seasons, would the AP system for TS apply to preorders? how would that work?

[toxic spruce]

You can gift preorder now... I didn’t know until I saw someone did it and tried it out myself

[warm gulch]

I have a question: when the child gets “tired” and is getting less wax
Are they tired for the rest of the day til reset?
Or they take time to recharge? And how long?

[gusty dust]

Between preorder times thats mostly the issue

[tiny nacelle]

it resets along with the daily reset, i assume?

[crude turret]

Most likely until reset, or else it would both change the final amount of candles and would make players that have reset for example at 4 am to cr super early, and that isn't what TGC wants

[gusty dust]

I feel more like the child is tired of collecting light so much and thats why the light gets smaller and smaller, or the storage for the wax lessens

[crude turret]

We at the start of the day
We at the end of the day
That extreme player that full cr during all day long

[gusty dust]

And then there is the speedrunners of cr

[warm gulch]

So if i went offline for a while and came back it wont go up again? The child is still tired?

[tiny nacelle]

thats me, im a speedrunner

[misty fox]

Two things involving the new light system:

A: does the chevron system apply to valley candles after race? Because it looked like it didn’t.

B: Is the chevron system meant to apply to seasonal candles? Because I got 1/2 a seasonal candle from one batch.

[crude turret]

"Why do you go to orbit everyday?"
"I have to cr, dud"
I can relate to that too

[gusty dust]

Seasonal candles are buffed in beta so probibly not effected

[haughty nymph]

pls someone tell me how can i get on beta

[toxic spruce]

#beta-faq

[tiny nacelle]

uhh im pretty sure the chevron system applies to valley race candles? not 100% sure id have to test it

[tender knoll]

So how long does energy takes time to restore

[empty river]

it restores at reset

[lusty light]

Seasonal candles always work this way in beta, this is for accelerated season testing purposes
Race candles are affected by the chevron as well

[gusty dust]

Simpliest way to think about the chervron system, there is a limited amount of speed at which ur kid can collect light and forge into wax, and after a day reset the kids collection speed would reset

[crude turret]

We at reset

[undone scarab]

Does the new chevron wax boost change the total amount of candle per day? Or it will be the same

[median oyster]

Same

[tiny nacelle]

the total amount stays the same

[placid linden]

Same amount as before chevron system

[willow shale]

On week days its a little over 22, saturday is 24,sunday is 26 i think

[median oyster]

Wait why is Saturday more

[tiny nacelle]

i thought only sunday was different -

[willow shale]

Oh wait actually it should be the same><ive mistaken the gloabal version with another version

[tough oracle]

Tried it today: we were at one arrow (so tired sky kiddo) and still got a full candle. It’s probably a bug atm as krtjn said somewhere above it should be affected by tiredness

[lusty light]

It does apply, Ktjn pinned a message about it

[wind panther]

Anyone knows how many seasonal candles do i get per realm on beta? Cus I've got 4 seasonal candles in GW, i thought you could get 2 per realm, but idk

[lusty light]

When I tried this morning I got exactly 1 candle on a level 2 boost, so a level 3 boost would give over a candle? I can’t test that until tomorrow obviously tho

[chrome halo]

live player here, I am once again asking for your beta foresight i'm just wondering, what are the ultimate gifts for season of dreams?

[gusty dust]

Check screenshots

[tough oracle]

As there’s only four boosts, it seemed to me that the level two boost means a little more wax than normally per candle, and level one boost is a little less wax per candle

[lusty light]

I took screenshots, it was exactly 1

[tough oracle]

Yea that’s what I mean, we got one candle at a level 1 boost. So while it should apply it currently isn’t working as intended :p. (As per my original comment)

[lusty light]

A reminder that this channel is not for asking beta players about what they are testing, if you want to know what’s going on read #beta-announcements and look at #beta-screenshots-videos

[placid linden]

@chrome halo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618891214527266846/789259191943561216/image0.jpg

[chrome halo]

oh yeah that makes sense thanks Seraph

[lusty light]

Oh I got exactly one at level 2 boost, but people reported getting less at lesser boosts, which means at max boost you should get over a candle
Still can’t test until tomorrow tho

[misty fox]

Max boost is 1.5x candles @lusty light I tested it just now. Haven’t touched beta today. I think the system goes 1.5x->1x->.5x unless there’s a fourth level.

[lusty light]

The fourth level is no chevron I think

[tough oracle]

Hmm I’ll check tomorrow again with level 1 boost! It gave the animation for one candle, but maybe it was lying . Also there is a fourth level where you’re just without arrows

[lusty light]

I haven’t candle runned fully in beta today so I could just be making things up

[misty fox]

So yeah if there’s no fourth level that’s how the system works. It’s the only way they keep the candles the same... they better have included eden in the candle count I farm eden in live mode...

[gusty dust]

O h god e de n candle wax

[lusty light]

You run eden everyday? 😳

[gusty dust]

How long did grabbing wings take

[misty fox]

I literally only grab 4 wings, I spawn with 51, I can do my runs with seven boosts easy.

[gusty dust]

• o h*

[lusty light]

Your mind

100+ stars really is overkill for eden

[crude turret]

Oh hold on if they add orbit wax to the count I'll run isle and vault everyday now!

[lusty light]

All wax counts

Ew you got me calling it wax

[crude turret]

I still remember that time when wise stance came, I cr eden for 4 days and barely got the cape, never wore it off

[misty fox]

😂 waxy waxy wax. But yeah I run eden every day with 55 lights. There’s a way to glitch the rock fall so you can die quickly without running all the way through (found it without youtubing)

[fierce elk]

i can't get more than 10/11 candles in eden with 100+ wings help lol

[lusty light]

Have you considered not getting hit

[gusty dust]

Just fly slowly usa.ly helps with collecting spirits

[rain latch]

Does anyone clearly understand this new candle boost system because I'm completely lost. It looks different but I'm not noticing any increase in amount of candles what so ever?

[crude turret]

weak, I go all the way through without tricks

[misty fox]

X1.5->x1->x.5 candle boosts, as you get more you slowly drop down boost levels

[crude turret]

The point is to make cr more worth it for people that can't full cr everyday
It doesn't change the time to a full run nor the final amount of a full run (18 candles)

[tough oracle]

Alright I just tested the valley race at 1 boost and I got a full candle from it. Posted it at #beta-screenshots-videos

[rain latch]

So how does that make it worth it if it doesn't change the amount of candles or the time to complete a full run

[misty fox]

It’s just there for those who can’t do full runs as said in the update info

[empty river]

it changes the initial amount you can get. Say you have 30 minutes to do a candle run, right now in beta you can get more candles in those 30 minutes than if you did the same run in live

[crude turret]

Let's say you cr prairie only
If prairie gives you 5 candles normally, with this system you can get let's say for example, 8 or 9
The multiplier will decrease with more wax you get a day, so it benefits people that can't full cr everything giving more in less time (or the same amount in full time)

[spark lance]

I farmed vault, office and isle and only forged 1 candle after all of it. Those were the last areas I candle ran in.

[tough oracle]

I’m also pretty sure there must be a fourth level. I’m almost at the bottom of my level one boost and didn’t run forest, half of praire, vault and isle

[lusty light]

👀 report it

[misty fox]

Hmmm... ok well I have a foolproof method. There are four candle treasures, each treasure adds 1/3 candles. So if you find yourself at a fourth level take videos tomorrow of each candle treasure at each level. It’ll show you what are the multipliers.

Just remember, collect one treasure at max, one upper middle, etc. you can’t collect them all at once. It’ll give you an accurate measurement.

[gentle merlin]

That's one thing I'm afraid with this new system. While Vault wasn't worth it for normal candle runner, full candle runner were doing it. And this is them who help moths reach the spirits behind doors. If it's not even worth it for full cr, this realm is going to be abandoned by them too and so, not much people to open doors... hope TGC think of a solution for that.

[misty fox]

xD I won’t abandon it, imma raid the world for everything

[robust knoll]

I did almost a full cr, and am afraid now to forge my candles. So.. i will just leave them there.. hanging.

[gentle merlin]

Yes, but you can't be there all the time XD

[misty fox]

Is that a challenge I see laying before me?
guess I’ll have to find a way to be there, always.

[spark lance]

Candle cakes in village/yeti slope barely made a dent in my candle meter by the end of the candle run. It was microscopic.

Can someone mind telling me how the new system for candle runs will work? though I dont have beta I'm having a hard time understanding how it'll be better

[tender oasis]

Candle cakes are only there for decoration

[tough oracle]

It’ll be less stressful for those who don’t have time for full cr. For those who do full cr the change will nothing as the Max candles stays the same

[spark lance]

So for the people who dont have enough time how do they get max candles then?

[soft fjord]

quick Q, for quests in forgotten ark, did anyone see the heart reward costs 3 candles??

[lusty light]

Intended change

[spark lance]

do they do half the realms?

[pure path]

Huh I had a notification for the channel and I've no idea why... Deleted msg I suppose?

[tough oracle]

They won’t. For max. Candles a full cr will still be needed. But if you don’t have much time you can now farm more candles for less time spent doing it. And for the rest we don’t know, that’s dependent on the player

[lusty light]

You still need to do all realms for max candles, it’s a weighted change

[vast bay]

alexdolly

Same total, but more candles earned earlier, fewer towards the end. You can still do a full run if you want to get the same result as before

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[spark lance]

Ahh i see so those who dont have enough time just get more candles for more of a reward if they dont have much time

thanks ❤️

[elder musk]

Shouldn’t every chart be confiscated? ☺️

[soft fjord]

i like the new system. if you only have time some days to do 2-3 maps you don't have to feel like you're falling behind as much in saving up. not happy about reward hearts costing 3 candles though.

[lusty light]

No, we said charts with exact numbers shouldn’t be made unless there’s a giant disclaimer on it

[kindred fossil]

basically, but especially the ones with numbers and math or whatever you all were doing

[stark sundial]

only the hearts in quests from dream are gonna cost candles when the season ends or all the other past seasonal quests?

[autumn bane]

all. sanctuary hearts already cost candles

[soft fjord]

it already costed 3 for me in forgotten ark too 😦

[stark sundial]

that sucks tbh

[tropic radish]

Wait, Isn't that a bug ?
Or did I miss a patch update ?

[kindred fossil]

ktjn said that it's intentional

[autumn bane]

so if i add a big "this is a betan not final content" and i add the beta build on it (with a date maybe) is it fine for you?

[hollow cloak]

Well shoot. Now unlocking the spell shop costs candles, huh?

edit: Oh. Oh. I see. Don't mind me, my brain isn't working today

[lusty light]

Basically yeah

[elder musk]

When was this intended change introduced? I did the Prophecy trials outside season in beta last week and the heart reward was offered for 3 candles.

[kindred fossil]

i don't like this change, so i'll be leaving feedback on it later. you should too if you haven't yet

[soft fjord]

everyone should give feedback about it!! i saw someone submit a bug report on live that the prophecy hearts cost 3 candles too

[lusty light]

You have to pay candles if the season has ended already, if you do the quests during the season you don’t have to pay

[lusty light]

You don’t need the hearts to unlock the cutscenes or anything

[stark sundial]

yeah is incredible that it went under the radar for me :0, is a big change tbh that will affect a lot of moths

[soft fjord]

sad for new players

[tropic radish]

Ah, I see, I don't see the need to lock the hearts with candles, since you're already doing certain tasks just to finish it

[hollow cloak]

I realized that after staring at it for like two minutes in confusion

[radiant drum]

#live-feedback

[elder musk]

I am sorry but since when does the reward for completing a trial cost candles?

[lusty light]

Since the season ended

[radiant drum]

In live, since the latest patch I believe

[autumn bane]

here
#beta-discussion message

[soft fjord]

getting those hearts was so gratifying as a moth though. it was a nice reward for our hard work.

[stark sundial]

this really ruins my mood, live feedback it's

[elder musk]

I reported as bug here in beta as I don’t remember seeing any announcement (patch note) about it tbh

[kindred fossil]

i'm aware that it won't be paid in-season, but it doesn't sit right with me

[misty fox]

So we can’t get the hearts for free unless we collect them in season yes?

[lusty light]

Yes

[pure umbra]

I saw someone mentioning that the home glitch from the emote menu was patched too, is it true?

[radiant drum]

I don't think it was mentioned in the patch notes either, but it was a deliberate change as Ktjn explained. So if you dislike it, #live-feedback

[radiant drum]

Best way to find out is test it out

[autumn bane]

it works from the emote menu

[misty fox]

I don’t mind it but all I have to say is poor moths- no free hearts for the noobies

[austere wasp]

You mean the krill one? In live fron the "exit" menu it still hurts you, in the emote menu they don't

[lusty light]

I mean, new players are still getting hearts from other players

I wasn’t aware it cost something to get a gift from someone 🤔

[austere wasp]

When i was new i never got hearts tbh

[dapper canopy]

Hey guys ! Does beta players have the same cosmetics as live ?

[autumn bane]

@elder bramble i dont understand your x/y values, where are they from?

[misty fox]

I meant free as in no one has to put anything in the system to get a heart 😂

Edit: Scratch that I just thought about notes

[elder bramble]

Some person called bananaluke posted earlier in the discussion about the new number of candles you can get, so im basing my calculations off that one.

[autumn bane]

the heart "gift" is long time gone now sadly. its just a simple currency now except some exceptional cases

[lusty light]

You can’t say that in a game with 50 million players every one does this

[radiant drum]

Remember that when you are submitting feedback, try to focus on your experience instead of speaking for others. It might seem noble to speak up about newer players, but assumptions hold no real value. Instead, if you are an older player you can compare it to your experience. How would you like this if it was your first time doing those quests? How does it compare to your experience before this change? This provides a much deeper and honest feedback piece to the devs by keeping it personal

[elder musk]

I can’t give it in live feedback as I participated in the season there and it did not cost me candles to unlock it. I noticed the change here in beta because I got the same reward without candles in Live previously. I guess newer players won’t notice the difference but I do not think it’s ok to pay with time (=candle run) again to unlock a reward for another time investment. I can put it in beta feedback then as I noticed it here, not sure if beta feedback makes any change in a now-live feature though.

[lusty light]

I mean, how is that much different from traveling spirits?

[radiant drum]

Feedback about features that have gone to live (and not received any additional changes in beta) should be submitted in #live-feedback regardless- even if you noticed it in beta. It's not to say your feedback will be completely disregarded if it's in the wrong channel, but it might be missed because it's not part of beta testing anymore

[lusty light]

If you didn’t do the season then and there you need to spend time or money to catch up

[torn flax]

HI, somebody know about the New spells?

[autumn bane]

i dont understand the values haha, could you explain them to me pls? or send me where you found them?
currently in live you get 1 candle per 150 wax. The max candles you can get daily from all realms (without village, eden and the office) is 18.51. 18.51*150 = 2776.5 wax

[lusty light]

You can totally get 50 hearts!

Hearts are supposed to be gained from friends, any other source of hearts is supposed to be a head start basically

[autumn bane]

i'd say TS sell stuff, during the season too. The quest giver rewards you with hearts for completing a quest

Hearts are supposed to be gained from friends, any other source of hearts is supposed to be a head start basically
thats why the free hearts from the quest givers is important to newcomers

[torn flax]

About the New spells anybody know something like the one with two kids

[radiant drum]

New spells

[lusty light]

Pin stuff!

[radiant drum]

The testing ones?

[hollow cloak]

Probably referring to the STAR pin spells

...But we don't know what the soulmates pin does, because it doesn't work in beta

[lusty light]

The new pins

[radiant drum]

As with anything else in beta, go test them and figure it out!

[elder bramble]

ohh i see...i thought i read somewhere that one candle is 80 wax so maybe i might be wrong there
but i dont believe it affects the graph because if the number is 150 instead of 80, the points on the graph would be higher, but the purple line would be moved back and the final number should remain at 17.5

[lusty light]

Mirian u can’t do this to me

[torn flax]

Oh they are Just there? With no funtion?

[elder musk]

The trials themselves are not tied to the season, so I don’t get the logic behind the difference in treatment.

[radiant drum]

Probably the same problem the You and I pins had, because they need two accounts it just won't work in beta (for the testing spell). So yeah, just there

[hollow cloak]

The other spells we're currently testing work, but the soulmates one doesn't seem to - probably because of how it functions.
(assuming they fixed the rhythm director spell and all that... i haven't tested it recently to be honest :pLurk:)

edit: i keep forgetting my emotes don't work.

[radiant drum]

Yeah some others might just be bugged, but it's better to be bugged in beta and not the actual pin in live 😄

[lusty light]

New players already have an accelerated rate of candles, and a new player would be more concerned with how to play the game rather than collecting every single heart immediately

I mean it’s not like they need those cosmetics

[autumn bane]

i dont understand where the exp function is coming from lol
the Live system is linear, and the Beta one is currently combination of linear functions too

[valid terrace]

Doesn’t the You and I allow the two owners to warp to each other whenever?

[elder bramble]

ooh ok is there an official release for the mechanic? I really wanna see the actual equation

[tender knoll]

I felt more drained grinding with timer up

[autumn bane]

a cosmetic is a way to express yourself, isnt it what sky is also about 😉

[radiant drum]

Remember that any feedback about the change, positive and negative, should go in #beta-feedback so they can tweak it

[torn flax]

You and i... What it does when you have the real pin? 🤔

[hollow cloak]

We're just testing right now, Ktjn said they wouldn't tell us all of the details until we've had a chance to test it. And see what it does for ourselves.
I'm really hoping they'll release exact numbers eventually, though. :stickerShiny:

[lusty light]

Oh yeah I don’t disagree, I just mean when I was a new player I was just like and didn’t worry about cosmetics for weeks

[autumn bane]

In live you get 1 candle for 150 wax : y = 150x
In Beta there are tiers :
For the 1st tier you get : y = Ax
For the 2nd tier you get : y = Bx
For the 3rd tier you get : y = Cx
For the 4th tier you get : y = Dx
A < B < C < D integers

[lusty light]

A new player shouldn’t even be in those areas bc theres requirements that you need to meet

[elder bramble]

ooh ok thank youu

[tiny nacelle]

didnt ktjn say not to put out charts nd numbers because theyre bound to change-?

[lusty light]

Yes and she even wrote a text wall and pinned it

[autumn bane]

everyone's experience is different!! i finished the game quite quickly and had a lot of answers to my questions as i'm an android player and the game already had a complete wiki i enjoyed the free hearts back then

[hollow cloak]

Honestly, I'd rather run into those season quests as a new player. I'd spend the candles and be like, 'oh, a heart! neat!'

... Once you figure out what's going on and realize that candles are pretty hard to get, spending 3 candles on each heart is going to be less appealing :SkyDontGo:

[lusty light]

I didn’t even have a wiki to look at 🥲

[tiny nacelle]

when i first played sky i kind of.. immedietly started working to finish constellations.,.,.

[radiant drum]

Back in my day we were the wiki 🧠